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00:03:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8291 @ 0.000289 = 2.3961 BTC [+]

00:08:35 nubbins`: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9320989

00:08:36 assbot: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2013/03/11 http://bitcoinstats.com/... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9gYjP )

00:08:56 nubbins`: absent title: "the bitcoin protocol doesn't exist"

00:14:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4049 @ 0.00027367 = 1.1081 BTC [-]

00:21:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00027045 = 1.4199 BTC [-]

00:32:41 mircea_popescu: lolk.

00:35:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26073 @ 0.00027067 = 7.0572 BTC [+]

00:42:18 asciilifeform: ^ anything from that link other than factual ?

00:42:41 asciilifeform: lies by omission re: who broke, yes

00:42:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46711 @ 0.0002872 = 13.4154 BTC [+] {4}

00:46:59 mircea_popescu: it's entirely untrue, and a poor attempt at trying to salvage some clout for the power rangers.

00:47:21 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is in fact a very solid protocol, and it flows in an unbroken line from software pre 0.5.x and from block 1.

00:47:46 mircea_popescu: pretense to the contrary is just that, pretense, readily explained by the desperation in usg quarters post their loss of their main asset in here.

00:49:39 mircea_popescu: it is kind-of fascinating for me that they were actually this unprepared for gavin getting headshot.

00:52:19 mircea_popescu: (you can trace Patrick McKenzie / starfighter if you feel like it0

00:54:06 mircea_popescu: marginally amusing read, stuff like http://www.kalzumeus.com/2015/03/09/announcing-starfighter/ (grep for "Sounds like BS, right. I know. I?m a generic web programmer (yay Ruby, meh JavaScript, boo low-level anything). The last time I played a CTF, written by my cofounders, they had me breaking into locks controlled by micro controllers which ran embedded assembly code.")

00:54:08 assbot: Announcing Starfighter | Kalzumeus Software ... ( http://bit.ly/19WBys2 )

00:55:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00030325 = 3.4116 BTC [+]

00:56:32 mircea_popescu: up Birdman

00:57:16 mircea_popescu: !up Birdman

00:57:46 Birdman: [20:57] <Birdman> thoughts on the Chinese's AIIB? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-02/us-has-screwed-its-approach-chinas-aiib-former-us-secretary-state-blasts

00:57:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19WC21j )

00:58:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 386 @ 0.00284 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2}

00:58:14 Birdman: Apparently nations are falling head over heels to switch over

00:58:45 mircea_popescu: this is not exactly new. was discussed here back in the lead-up to the cn-ru financial compact

00:59:11 Birdman: Then I suppose I should read up on the logs, thanks.

00:59:25 mircea_popescu: beijing accords or wtf they were called

00:59:48 mircea_popescu: it was pretty clear at the time the ru "sanctions" were nailgun suicide.

01:02:56 mircea_popescu: !up Rozal

01:03:19 Rozal: thank you

01:03:23 mircea_popescu: aha.

01:04:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089391 << you know, you should fucking publish it.

01:04:36 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 14:14:53; ascii_modem: that part takes me 1h at most. it is deliberately manual, like the sub reactors, or therealbitcoin

01:04:53 mircea_popescu: so it's done once not just at level you, but at the whole wot level.

01:05:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089468 << couldn't have said it better myself.

01:05:51 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 16:50:58; trinque: I don't want decisions made for me; I want bricks laid for me.

01:06:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089472 << ahh the excitement of the geek that laid an egg :D

01:06:19 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 17:22:50; nubbins`: would be nice to get some people to test this patch when it's ready

01:06:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089477 << exactly the right name for that comment lol

01:06:46 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 18:06:07; Apocalyptic: ^ only for that fact alone it's a good experience

01:07:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4691 @ 0.00030769 = 1.4434 BTC [+]

01:12:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/making-security-sausage << pretty great read ftr. guy's likable.

01:12:56 assbot: making security sausage ... ( http://bit.ly/1IiqrbO )

01:19:06 mircea_popescu: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/analysis-of-d2i-X509-reuse << even names dogecoin, with correct usage in context.

01:19:07 assbot: analysis of d2i_X509 reuse ... ( http://bit.ly/19WFcC9 )

01:19:50 nubbins`: bitcoinrpc.cpp is a big one

01:20:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00030598 = 1.9583 BTC [-]

01:21:00 mircea_popescu: feel the need for silverware nubbins` ?

01:21:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00031364 = 1.3643 BTC [+]

01:21:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089515 << a man with just one pogo is like the woman trying to get pregnant off a single spermatozoid.

01:21:47 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 19:39:37; ben_vulpes: me pogo's at the office

01:26:15 mircea_popescu: ?The likelihood of widespread Palcohol abuse ? particularly among underage consumers ? carries a real possibility of tragic consequences,? Mr. Franchot said in a statement, ?which is why I?m so pleased by the industry?s unified response to protect the public from such a dangerous product.?

01:26:30 mircea_popescu: lawl. errything that's broken, in one sentence.

01:28:59 mircea_popescu: re this entire "powdered alcohol" bs : why the fuck would i drink a galon of cyclodextrine slog for a quart of alcohol ?

01:29:10 mircea_popescu: why not eat cotton imbibed in milk.

01:30:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55350 @ 0.00030496 = 16.8795 BTC [-] {2}

01:32:01 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a6adfb6ada69f528204781e135fb3b8d/tumblr_nga4gxtFcR1qgv7t5o1_1280.jpg

01:32:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19WGVY7 )

01:34:20 asciilifeform: 'palcohol' << anyone remember when they banned the etoh antidote ?

01:36:02 mircea_popescu: what was that ?

01:36:27 *: asciilifeform digs for ancient yarchive entry

01:43:42 mircea_popescu: http://mad0uleurexquise.tumblr.com/post/108802990037/trauma-is-complicated-after-a-couple-of-years-of << what an actual feminist actually sounds like. *like*. copying the form does not result in being a feminist.

01:43:43 assbot: Trauma is complicated. After a couple of years of... — My Exquisite Pain ... ( http://bit.ly/19WIFAK )

01:44:36 mircea_popescu: the important part being that the pansy-ass ten year olds masquerading as adults have reclassified as "trauma" a large swath of life experiences that are exactly necessary for the woman.

01:45:10 mircea_popescu: much like the same idiots have reclassified natural phenomena like wildfire as "bad", notwithstanding that coniferous trees will only open the seedpods if they get scorched.

01:45:22 mircea_popescu: because they lived there forever, and are adapted to what there *means*.

01:46:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00030213 = 7.3871 BTC [-]

02:09:10 TomServo: Ethereum wallet down to 486 BTC.

02:10:30 asciilifeform: http://www.hydeparkmedia.com/fisher.html << vintage lol

02:10:32 assbot: Hyde Park Media | Paul Fisher Space Pen ... ( http://bit.ly/19WMjKY )

02:10:47 asciilifeform: 'With that he interrupted me and said, `Mr. Fisher, you as an individual have no inalienable rights. You live in a democracy subject to the will of the majority, and the will of the majority, through an act of Congress can deprive you of any right.''

02:17:07 mircea_popescu: lmao wut.

02:18:56 mircea_popescu: "I don't remember that," Fisher says. "But the inmates did tell me they had never eaten so good until I arrived."

02:19:01 mircea_popescu: tales from the early soviets.

02:19:22 mircea_popescu: could be romania back when ceausescu was trying to play prague spring supporter just as well.

02:19:26 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

02:19:38 pete_dushenski: o hello

02:19:47 pete_dushenski: thx bb

02:20:48 pete_dushenski: lol i was wondering when the last 5k was going to disappear from the 'ethereum wallet'

02:22:26 pete_dushenski: aaand scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/05/yknow-that-post-industrial-service-economy-thing-ya-its-just-another-shitty-command-economy/

02:22:27 assbot: Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/19WNKsN )

02:25:45 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089526 << heh. yes.

02:25:45 assbot: Logged on 05-04-2015 20:57:47; BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/ti-89-bitcoin-diceware-tool-released/ << since scoop seems missing

02:35:14 pete_dushenski: !s water

02:35:15 assbot: 995 results for 'water' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=water

02:36:10 pete_dushenski: "The 25 percent cut in water consumption ordered by Gov. Jerry Brown raises fundamental questions about what life in California will be like in the years ahead, and even whether this state faces the prospect of people leaving for wetter climates"

02:36:57 pete_dushenski: hey gavin, thirsty yet ?

02:41:25 mircea_popescu: guy lives in mass.

02:42:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54395 @ 0.00028799 = 15.6652 BTC [-] {2}

02:43:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16505 @ 0.00029563 = 4.8794 BTC [+] {2}

02:45:05 pete_dushenski: hm. my mistake

02:45:34 pete_dushenski: fine, hearn then!

02:46:10 mircea_popescu: i think hearn is one of the... how shall i put this.

02:46:59 decimation: it would be handy to have a 'diceware' version for rsa keys

02:47:45 decimation: ^ re: ti-89 'diceware' tool

02:49:33 mircea_popescu: well, perhaps an illustration is worth a billion words. here : http://mad0uleurexquise.tumblr.com/post/115182109582/allysins-treat-a-slut-how-she-deserves-to-be

02:49:34 assbot: allysins: Treat a slut how she deserves to be... — My Exquisite Pain ... ( http://bit.ly/19WR1IG )

02:49:55 decimation: re: california > http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/us/california-drought-tests-history-of-endless-growth.html?_r=0 < "“Mother Nature didn’t intend for 40 million people to live here,” said Kevin Starr, a historian at the University of Southern California who has written extensively about this state. “This is literally a culture that since the 1880s has progressively invented, invented and reinvented itself. At what point

02:49:58 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19WR4Ek )

02:49:58 mircea_popescu: note pete_dushenski the guy starts by inquiring whether the tramp is "in a room tonight"

02:49:58 decimation: does this invention begin to hit limits?”"

02:50:16 mircea_popescu: the "easy" situation has created this particular inferno for the underclass, that they are literally a mob now.

02:50:17 bitstein: pete_dushenski: Hearn lives in Switzerland.

02:50:32 mircea_popescu: no fixed place of residence, some nights in a hotel, or a car, or someone's livingroom, or the park.

02:50:54 mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the life of the whore, and of the mentally ill, and of the "student" and so on. bums, the lot of them.

02:51:17 mircea_popescu: like hearn, like everyone else on github. like the names on social media, like the leah goodmans trying to convince you they're "journalists".

02:51:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was taken to hilarious heights in j. brunner's 'stand on zanzibar', where virtually the entire fuckable female population of planet earth lives that way

02:51:20 decimation: meanwhile actualy california has 'reinvented' itself into a central american shithole, wants to pretend like it matters

02:51:26 mircea_popescu: you know, "journalists" just like the fictional carriew bradshaw,

02:51:39 mircea_popescu: not journalists like every other whore you fucked whenever you didn't mind getting filmy.

02:51:47 mircea_popescu: just like the actresses waiting tables and turning tricks.

02:51:50 mircea_popescu: it's a social class.

02:51:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.

02:52:03 mircea_popescu: this is not far from truth today.

02:52:08 asciilifeform: mega-b00k incidentally. recommended to all.

02:52:54 mircea_popescu: decimation in fairness, california has always been past its demographic limits. people were paying more for hay there than anywhere in the world cca 1850

02:52:58 mircea_popescu: (nevada excepted, of course)

02:53:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00028743 = 5.7486 BTC [-]

02:54:08 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: heh, well this particular whore recently claimed to have never heard of #b-a, which must be like carrie bradshaw never having heard of the new york times

02:54:29 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski if you recall the famous "conference" held in london by nefario, taaki and the rest of "bitcoinica consultancy" crowd...

02:54:39 pete_dushenski: because in magical fairy land, things that don't like you don't exist

02:54:43 mircea_popescu: that's the idea, generally. like going to a rave, orwhatever. sleep on the floor of a squatted building.

02:54:57 mircea_popescu: sleep at renton's underage girlfriend's parents' place

02:55:02 mircea_popescu: "are you her mates or what then ?!"

02:55:04 pete_dushenski: airbnb it

02:55:18 pete_dushenski: or not even

02:55:26 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski airbnb costs money.

02:55:56 pete_dushenski: 'private rooms' cost less, whole suite, ya, that's too high falutin

02:55:57 decimation: ^ actresses waiting tables/turning tricks now use 25% less water

02:56:54 mircea_popescu: and this is how the carrie bradshaw selected hearing works. she'd have heard of the new york times, but not of... hm

02:56:57 mircea_popescu: here's a point in case : http://www.toptenz.net/10-greatest-american-philosophers.php

02:56:58 assbot: 10 Greatest American Philosophers - Toptenz.net ... ( http://bit.ly/19WRTNv )

02:56:58 pete_dushenski: if bitstein is correct, one wonders how hearn affords to live in switzerland

02:57:12 pete_dushenski: or more precisely, who he knows there with a spare couch

02:57:14 mircea_popescu: note that they DO list that imbecile west. who has contributed as much to human knowledge as obama has : being black.

02:57:19 mircea_popescu: who is missing from that list ?

02:57:26 mircea_popescu: hint : he's a jew. his name starts with a c.

02:57:30 mircea_popescu: and ends, unsurprisingly, in a y.

02:57:45 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it was a nato possession since day 1 of nato (and possibly earlier depending on whether you're a dulles et al '3rd as prequel to 4th' reich proponent)

02:57:55 mircea_popescu: so, yes. carrie bradshaw of philosophy writing for the toptenz of nyt has heard of cornel but not of chomsky.

02:58:03 asciilifeform: case in point: where is crypto ag corp. headquartered? and why

02:58:26 asciilifeform: swiss banks: exactly like american banks but more honeypotty

02:58:37 mircea_popescu: decimation in fairness, they had all switched to those alcohol based swipes in the 90s.

02:58:43 bitstein: pete_dushenski: He works (or used to work?) at Google's Zurich office: https://www.google.com/about/careers/locations/zurich/

02:58:43 assbot: Zurich - Google Careers ... ( http://bit.ly/19WS5we )

02:58:43 decimation: heh

02:58:44 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: eh, not really a proponent of said theory.

02:58:46 mircea_popescu: in a rather disgusting turn of events.

02:59:32 pete_dushenski: swiss will go hide in the mountains, play defense, sell out who they like the least, one by one until the asker fucks off

02:59:41 decimation: my understanding is that it's not very simple to get a work visa in switzerland

02:59:54 asciilifeform: decimation: easy as a fart if you're a usg intelligence asset.

03:00:07 mircea_popescu: amusingly, it's traditionally what the nsa used

03:00:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11511 @ 0.00027875 = 3.2087 BTC [-]

03:00:13 mircea_popescu: (the cia used germany as a cover for its people)

03:00:20 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: if swiss banks are honeypotty, what are caymans ?

03:00:22 mircea_popescu: but somehow the geeks felt switzerland was more "technical"

03:00:44 decimation: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-describes-cia-tricks-2013-6?op=1

03:00:46 assbot: Edward Snowden Describes CIA Tricks - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9LHgU )

03:00:48 mircea_popescu: i think this is even mentioned in meanwhile declassified soviet stuff. they actually sorted the blacks by "switzerland or germany"

03:01:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00027821 = 6.2041 BTC [-] {2}

03:01:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they bought (with guess what kind of money) sizeable stakes in various swiss concerns (including, best-known publicly, crypto ag)

03:02:36 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: who are these blacks who were sorted ?

03:02:52 mircea_popescu: back to that "you have no rights" fisher quote for a second : it splendidly illustrates the difference between democracy and republic,

03:03:27 mircea_popescu: and why la serenissima is not a democracy, and why no democracy can be anything but "a popular democracy", as in the popular democratic republic of <insert etnonym>

03:03:50 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski old joke, americans ask russians how do they keep discovering their secret agents. "you could try not sending black people..."

03:04:29 pete_dushenski: ah! i remember that one :)

03:04:51 pete_dushenski: i even retold it once, to splendid effect

03:05:04 mircea_popescu: incidentally, this might make a great basis for a remake of that fabulous "le grand blanc" (which srsly was james bond only well done)

03:05:26 mircea_popescu: have a senegalese man play Igor Totallyhonestlyrusynskyi

03:05:30 decimation: ^there's a 'democratic' effort to get a black guy to play james bond

03:05:51 pete_dushenski: next: asian woman bond

03:06:01 mircea_popescu: how about paraplegic bond ?

03:06:05 mircea_popescu: maybe hawkins could cameo.

03:06:18 mircea_popescu: make it just like the bond franchise, but with handicapped people and science.

03:06:22 mircea_popescu: logical step.

03:06:24 pete_dushenski: lol at hawkins!

03:06:33 pete_dushenski: watched theory of everything'

03:06:37 pete_dushenski: last night

03:07:21 pete_dushenski: the most telling line, and keep in mind that this is in the late 60s/early 70s, was hawking saying "physics is business"

03:07:23 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski btw, ever seen http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Grand_Blond_avec_une_chaussure_noire ?

03:07:25 assbot: Le Grand Blond avec une chaussure noire — Wikipédia ... ( http://bit.ly/19WTbrD )

03:07:29 mircea_popescu: you're francophone right ?

03:07:40 pete_dushenski: bilingue ;)

03:07:43 decimation: " So, what that means is, this is actually terrifying. Democracy is radically indeterminate. The outcome can be manipulated. But that manipulation will not be apparent to people unless they have seen this technical result. Which means that you sort of--you can have shamans, people who know the rules, be in charge in ways that are tantamount to dictatorship. So, we should be very skeptical about claims that 'this is what the people

03:07:45 decimation: want.'" http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html

03:07:47 pete_dushenski: with enough spanish not to starve

03:07:59 pete_dushenski: 2.5langue

03:08:21 decimation: ^ the 'result' is simply that outcomes are not process-neutral, so manipulation of 'voting rules' manipulates outcomes. thus, dictatorship by process, ie usg

03:08:44 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: haven't seen le grand blond but will add it to the list.

03:09:02 asciilifeform: manipulation of 'voting rules' manipulates outcomes << this is actually a very undergrad-level game-theoretical result (arrow's theorem & related)

03:09:32 mircea_popescu: decimation that's not even the biggest deal. arguably the biggest deal one outside could ever figure out.

03:09:50 mircea_popescu: but from the inside of a "democracy", i can tell you this : people employing a wot are so much more successful than people who do not

03:09:54 mircea_popescu: that in short order the wot is mandatory

03:09:59 mircea_popescu: then it pierces through

03:10:18 mircea_popescu: then representatives of the democracy are shot on xmas day and you can get a beating just by saying you think communism may be a thing.

03:10:27 decimation: certainly anything that destroys 'process' is a good thing

03:11:12 mircea_popescu: the notion that "democracy", ie, an implementation of democracy without a martial population and strict limits on the franchise is even practicable...

03:11:24 mircea_popescu: seriously, very thin ice sheets to shade you from the sun.

03:11:35 mircea_popescu: a) they're transparent b) they melt. glhf.

03:11:40 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: people employing a wot are so much more successful than people who do not << completely. see italians, somalis, jooz, whoever. the rest are but chumps.

03:11:46 decimation: well, munger comes to the same conclusion as moldbug, that is usg is highly resistant to voting - because to be otherwise would be terrifying

03:11:52 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i meant inside the "democracy"

03:12:42 decimation: because as much as I bitch about it, 'rule by derpy bureaucrat' is 100x better than 'rule by crazy mob'

03:12:52 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: uh me too

03:13:04 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the expression in romanian was " a face rost" , which meant to procure. which meant, talk to someone who knows someone.

03:13:18 mircea_popescu: literally, "n-ai pe cineva... ?" ie , "don't you have someone..."

03:13:25 mircea_popescu: ;;google toma caragiu n-ai pe cineva

03:13:26 gribble: Toma Caragiu - "N-ai pe cineva?" - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTILCHYAvfA; Toma Caragiu : N-ai pe cineva ! - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZ4EhwKIlA; N-ai pe cineva ? - Toma Caragiu - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQTCyL10vqI

03:14:23 decimation: https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/01/05/in-the-future-all-british-characters-will-be-played-by-idris-elba/ < "The basic situation seems to be that people (including me!) really really love Idris Elba & think he’s awesome, and also really really don’t want to appear racist. Ergo, Idris Elba should play every possible and conceivable British character who could in principle appear in a movie that you can name! "

03:14:24 assbot: In the future, all British characters will be played by Idris Elba | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9NSRn )

03:14:24 mircea_popescu: ("dear listeners, i tell you i have no one anywhere. not phone service, not gas distributor, not x y or z. i do not..."

03:14:26 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who is missing from that list ? << Chomsky

03:14:33 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo mhm.

03:14:51 *: BingoBoingo was waiting for one of our Jews to name 'im

03:14:55 mircea_popescu: :p

03:15:19 mircea_popescu: anywya, ima put that online.

03:16:37 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lol you're obviously the jewiest guy in the audience!

03:17:14 mircea_popescu: he's a jew like i'm pregnant.

03:17:25 *: BingoBoingo never could never see getting worked up over specific kinds of crackers

03:17:35 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: boy or girl ?

03:17:38 asciilifeform: http://addxorrol.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-are-most-researchers-not-fan-of.html << more vintage lulz turned up in dig

03:17:39 assbot: ADD / XOR / ROL: Why are most researchers not a fan of standards on "responsible disclosure" ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9Osia )

03:17:41 pete_dushenski: and congrats!

03:18:02 *: asciilifeform sifting through ancient notes in thus far futile search for unrelated thing

03:18:02 pete_dushenski: i kid, i kid.

03:18:04 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski rabbit.

03:18:14 asciilifeform: 'I might be stepping on some people's toes, but to me it looked like a high-school class where the dimmest students drew up guidelines on how smart students "should" behave, and gave that to the teacher in order to earn brownie points - including clauses like 'not contradicting the teacher'.'

03:18:14 mircea_popescu: i am not a great fan of hard labour

03:18:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform word.

03:18:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7177 @ 0.00027232 = 1.9544 BTC [-] {2}

03:20:53 decimation: asciilifeform: in other words, the dim mob wants 'process' precisely to dictate redistribution to them

03:22:12 asciilifeform: decimation: importantly - in a way calculated to 'steal the sense of having been stolen from'

03:22:34 asciilifeform: aka 'how the world works' (TM)

03:22:54 decimation: right, the bums who vote to expel you after taking up residence on your property are morally superior, being bums

03:24:57 asciilifeform: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/1998-12/msg00083.html

03:24:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/19WVCum )

03:25:11 asciilifeform: or did we do this one already.

03:26:24 decimation: I didn't see it. So " --enable-static-nss" is useful for glibc

03:26:27 asciilifeform: '1) Contributors can add new services without adding them to the GNU C Library.

03:26:27 asciilifeform: 2) The modules can be updated separately.

03:26:27 asciilifeform: 3) The C library image is smaller.'

03:26:34 asciilifeform: ( http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/NSS-Basics.html#NSS-Basics )

03:26:34 assbot: The GNU C Library: NSS Basics ... ( http://bit.ly/19WVRpl )

03:26:34 asciilifeform: wtf

03:26:44 decimation: yeah I don't get it

03:26:51 decimation: why does name resolution require binary plugins

03:27:29 asciilifeform: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3430400/linux-static-linking-is-dead << i'm not remotely the first to notice the gorilla shitting in the kitchen

03:27:31 assbot: gcc - Linux static linking is dead? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1D9Q1fS )

03:28:06 asciilifeform: 'I do not know where to find the historic references, but yes, static linking is dead on GNU systems. (I believe it died during the transition from libc4/libc5 to libc6/glibc 2.x.) The feature was deemed useless in light of: Security vulnerabilities. Application which was statically linked doesn't even support upgrade of libc....'

03:28:11 asciilifeform: there we have it.

03:28:14 asciilifeform: deliberate.

03:29:22 decimation: I guess it's 'nice' that gethostbyname() can be arbitrarily remapped if you just want your linux to run winblows

03:32:03 decimation: asciilifeform: to be fair, their reasoning kinda makes sense in the world where libc is providing the 'global namespace'

03:34:05 asciilifeform: the stab-in-the-back method of dropping support for staticlinking in no way can be justified.

03:34:28 asciilifeform: it is a show of bad faith.

03:35:37 decimation: what amuses me is that the excuse of 'it fixes bugs' only applies to code that isn't otherwise distributed by the 'distro'

03:35:54 decimation: in other words, it only applies to code that the user himself has compiled

03:37:57 asciilifeform: <decimation> I didn't see it. So " --enable-static-nss" is useful for glibc << as i understand, this results in random breakage (a binary which only runs with any degree of certainty on your machine)

03:38:35 decimation: yes, if you have some non-standard nsswitch.conf stuff it will break

03:38:37 asciilifeform: -somebody- saw it fit to break static linking on gnu platform in the traditional microshit way - suddenly, silently, and 'for your own good' (TM)

03:38:43 decimation: it only uses 'files' and 'dns'

03:39:07 decimation: all kinds of stuff provides nss plugins for name resolution

03:39:54 decimation: for instance, if you want to resolve the names of 'cifs' hosts running on microshit servers

03:41:09 decimation: at any rate, I think the responsible option here is to settle on uclibc with the desired features enabled

03:45:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10796 @ 0.00028656 = 3.0937 BTC [+] {2}

03:49:48 asciilifeform: i still want to know precisely what patch it was that made it into various non-gentoo things, that silenced the alarm bell and deceived folks into 'yes this is a static build'

03:51:29 asciilifeform: obligatory: r. sheckley's 'hour of battle' and mircea_popescu's remake thereof, http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning

03:51:30 assbot: The Hour Of Reckoning on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19WZpb6 )

03:54:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4704 @ 0.00029007 = 1.3645 BTC [+]

03:55:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21317 @ 0.0002957 = 6.3034 BTC [+] {2}

03:59:10 decimation: asciilifeform: part of the problem is that glibc has a 'colorful' history

04:17:57 mircea_popescu: hey mthreat is the search borkt ?

04:20:14 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-failure-modes-of-democracy-from-people-who-actually-know-what-theyre-talking-about/ <

04:20:14 assbot: The failure modes of "democracy", from people who actually know what they're talking about. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19X3dsV )

04:24:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not entirely sure this is to go on the head of Andreas Jaeger.

04:25:44 mircea_popescu: more interestingly, any idea who {UD} is ?

04:28:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9766 @ 0.0002989 = 2.9191 BTC [+]

04:32:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10518 @ 0.00029594 = 3.1127 BTC [-]

04:35:03 mircea_popescu: anyway asciilifeform no you're not the first to notice. you're the first to notice who is actually connected and thus powerful.

04:51:03 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> deliberate. <<< that part was clear.

04:52:09 mircea_popescu: <decimation> in other words, it only applies to code that the user himself has compiled << in other words, it is by its very definition dekulakization. run the fucking code usg & dept of friend computer say you run, terrorist!

04:53:17 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> -somebody- saw it fit to break static linking on gnu platform in the traditional microshit way - suddenly, silently, and 'for your own good' (TM) << and the fact that silently worked tells mike_c why qntra market cap would reasonably exceed the sum of the market cap of all computing publications available.

04:53:25 mircea_popescu: not even kidding.

04:54:00 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation once we settle in uclibc, uclibc gets killed.

04:54:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:54:22 mircea_popescu: much easier than to try and you know, buy all pogos, as alf was discussing.

04:59:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35513 @ 0.00028782 = 10.2214 BTC [-] {2}

05:00:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00028128 = 6.1882 BTC [-]

05:21:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5638 @ 0.00028052 = 1.5816 BTC [-]

06:01:15 mats: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/2015/04/05/navy-shipbuilding-budget-ships-fleet-plan-destroyers-cruisers-submarines-amphibious-aircraft-carriers-flagships/25331685/

06:01:17 assbot: New US Navy Fleet Goal: 308 Ships ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5Boqa )

06:03:11 mats: http://breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/04/Parameters-for-a-Joint-Comprehenisve-Plan-of-Action.pdf

06:03:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5BxtF )

06:05:20 mats: ^Parameters of the nuclear deal with Iran

06:07:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00028818 = 5.5331 BTC [+] {2}

06:08:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.0002952 = 3.5424 BTC [+] {3}

06:08:15 mats: http://defensetech.org/2015/04/03/china-unveils-three-new-nuclear-powered-attack-submarines/

06:08:18 assbot: China Unveils Three New Nuclear-Powered Attack Submarines | Defense Tech ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5C6DE )

06:26:11 mircea_popescu: mats anything above and beyond the "they succeeded making their own nuke, further sanctions superfluous" ?

06:27:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12035 @ 0.00029978 = 3.6079 BTC [+]

06:29:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00030166 = 5.9427 BTC [+] {2}

06:30:37 mircea_popescu: 300ish ships somehow sounds unimpressive. like a minor chinese port.

06:32:21 mats: “What they are doing with patrols is just the tip of the iceberg. It is not just the number of the ships, but within five to eight years they will have about 82 submarines in the Asia Pacific area and we will have about 32 to 34"

06:33:15 mircea_popescu: "all of which will be running on chinese made ic anyway"

06:33:40 mats: mircea_popescu: no, just the usual implicit 'fear the chinese' byline

06:34:35 mircea_popescu: yeah well... it seems reasonably obvious that the usg's very uppity policy is insanity on the mid term. they need us a lot more than we could ever need them. obviously a bit of humility today will save a lot of abject humiliation in 2025, but in any case

06:34:46 mircea_popescu: ascii's wagen is not all that probable.

06:43:07 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/a60bb63e5b9b4567e95c25aac83c1744/tumblr_nhqagdQuIB1u5z1ezo1_500.gif

06:43:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN9DrU )

06:45:19 mats: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/06/john-oliver-grills-edward-snowden-on-last-week-tonight.html

06:45:21 assbot: John Oliver Grills Edward Snowden on ‘Last Week Tonight’ - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN9UuV )

06:47:49 mats: only the first third is worth reading

06:56:35 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/buttercoin-set-to-close/

06:56:36 assbot: Buttercoin Set To Close | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1NNaBob )

06:58:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9701 @ 0.00029984 = 2.9087 BTC [-] {2}

07:05:44 mircea_popescu: there wa sa buttercoin ?!

07:06:20 mircea_popescu: mats oh, that oliver muppet.

07:08:14 mircea_popescu: no idea why anyone'd entertain mildred gillars posing as a "comedian", but hey.

07:09:41 mircea_popescu: in any case : that particular leak, and the much less publicised but much ampler leaks since, are not important because "people on the street"

07:09:53 mircea_popescu: you can by and large identify disinfo by this very idiotic "person on street" bent.

07:10:23 mircea_popescu: the ordinary streetwalker couldn't explain how a car engine works, either. that doesn't make car engines unimportant.

07:10:33 mircea_popescu: if this were how the world worked everyone'd be john oliver.

07:11:05 mircea_popescu: but the pretense that his thinly veiled propaganda is "real journalism" is indicative of the state of the usg propaganda machine, be it daily beast or wapo.

07:11:43 mircea_popescu: ie, they really abandoned any attempt to communicate at all, and satisfy themselves with browbeat. supposedly this works on the stupidest of the working class.

07:11:46 mircea_popescu: i have my doubts.

07:20:16 BingoBoingo: <cazalla> http://qntra.net/2015/04/buttercoin-set-to-close/ << Between this and BitPay's struggles seems US money is going all in on CoinBase

07:20:17 assbot: Buttercoin Set To Close | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1aAMGvQ )

07:24:26 mats: but hes so edgy /s

07:32:49 mircea_popescu: so are most cuckolds.

07:33:52 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo buttercoin now lay dead is broken somehow

07:36:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Applied a patch, cazalla's one this though.

07:37:14 mircea_popescu: ah sorry.

07:39:51 BingoBoingo: It's alright. I was only just working on a sandwich of ham... because no jew to be seen behind this IRC nick.

07:44:52 mircea_popescu: lol

07:59:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.0003028 = 4.9356 BTC [+] {2}

08:07:09 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/naja/

08:07:10 assbot: Naja ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICgx1D )

08:10:32 mircea_popescu: !gettrust marteen

08:10:35 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user marteen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/marteen | http://w.b-a.link/user/marteen

08:14:13 cazalla: <mircea_popescu> there wa sa buttercoin ?! <<< been around a while actually but done the pivot thing a few times or something

08:14:23 mircea_popescu: aha

08:14:45 mircea_popescu: well luckily ver invested the money he doesn't have into a new way to butter the coin!

08:18:51 fluffypony: right at the beginning

08:18:54 fluffypony: when Buttercoin was proposed

08:19:07 fluffypony: I commented on the Hackpad where we were shooting ideas around

08:19:19 fluffypony: (afair it was for a decentralised exchange)

08:19:56 mircea_popescu: aha ?

08:20:14 mircea_popescu: wait, you were involved in this ?

08:20:27 fluffypony: no, not beyond commenting on the hackpad

08:21:03 fluffypony: after that they seemed to veer off and create a "buttercoin team" and "productise" it

08:21:13 fluffypony: instead of building it out as an open-source effort

08:21:21 fluffypony: so I lost interest

08:24:22 fluffypony: heh there we go

08:24:23 fluffypony: https://buttercoin.hackpad.com/Managing-client-side-connections-SatDG3PXEvk

08:24:24 assbot: Managing client-side connections - buttercoin.hackpad.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICidrP )

08:24:25 fluffypony: that was mine

08:24:42 mircea_popescu: which hackpad thing reminds me : re the earlier hacker news piece - i find it hysterical the agitprop is seriously pushing the "and they got on skype" angle.

08:24:51 mircea_popescu: here's a clue : no decision of any import was ever taken on skype.

08:25:05 mircea_popescu: the people who take decisions aren't on skype. the people who are on skype don't take decisions.

08:26:12 mircea_popescu: "We're having trouble talking to the Hackpad synchronization server. You may be connecting through an incompatible firewall or proxy server.

08:26:12 mircea_popescu: We were unable to connect to the Hackpad synchronization server. This may be due to an incompatibility with your web browser or internet connection."

08:26:22 mircea_popescu: yeah totally. i have incompatible internet. incompatible TO STUPID

08:29:03 cazalla: i was on skype no less than 1 hour ago lol :\

08:30:05 mircea_popescu: lol

08:31:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony kinda funny how the "decentralised exchange" is the webwallet of 2015.

08:31:42 fluffypony: lol

08:32:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45350 @ 0.00029831 = 13.5284 BTC [-] {2}

08:33:05 cazalla: ooh looks like this australian didn't wanna play ball any longer http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/military-adviser-adam-cobb-arrested-in-us-on-child-pornography/story-e6frg6nf-1227293195488

08:33:06 assbot: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICj4sH )

08:33:14 cazalla: "Cobb allegedly uploaded images of child pornography to the social networking site, Tumblr."

08:33:54 mircea_popescu: i imagine tumblr has a metric shitton of child porn

08:33:55 punkman: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/ldd-arbitrary-code-execution/

08:33:57 assbot: ldd arbitrary code execution - good coders code, great reuse ... ( http://bit.ly/1ICj77B )

08:34:54 mircea_popescu: "In this article I am going to show you how to create an executable that runs arbitrary code if it's examined by `ldd`. I have also written a social engineering scenario on how you can get your sysadmin to unknowingly hand you his privileges."

08:34:58 mircea_popescu: this is pretty dangerous.

08:35:07 mircea_popescu: and im sure a major part of whatever SALADWORD

08:36:07 punkman: "1985 called, they want their exploit back."

08:36:39 mircea_popescu: heh

08:37:25 punkman: so, don't ldd as root n' stuff, in case you didn't know

08:37:46 mircea_popescu: of course, in the converse view, a sysadmin that actually fucks with your binary on a valuable box...

08:38:44 mircea_popescu: app/bin# ldd ./myapp

08:38:44 mircea_popescu: <strong>All your box are belong to me.</strong>

08:38:48 mircea_popescu: ^ i thought that was precious

08:39:00 mircea_popescu: i had to do a dbl take see if he actually put html cruft in his poc.

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09:28:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5773 @ 0.00029441 = 1.6996 BTC [+]

09:30:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14227 @ 0.00029521 = 4.2 BTC [+] {2}

09:31:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15073 @ 0.0003016 = 4.546 BTC [+]

10:10:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00029404 = 2.8963 BTC [-]

10:28:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00029392 = 1.8076 BTC [-]

10:33:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00029531 = 4.5921 BTC [+] {2}

10:45:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00029344 = 4.3869 BTC [-] {2}

10:49:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00029327 = 2.0969 BTC [-]

10:53:10 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB3T37ZWAAAgw_S.jpg:large

10:53:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5cVaF )

10:57:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21052 @ 0.00029984 = 6.3122 BTC [+] {2}

11:03:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33397 @ 0.00030337 = 10.1316 BTC [+] {3}

11:08:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00029167 = 5.5417 BTC [-]

11:17:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00029126 = 8.9417 BTC [-] {3}

11:46:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6518 @ 0.00030287 = 1.9741 BTC [+]

11:53:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00030287 = 4.8762 BTC [+]

12:09:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00030287 = 1.06 BTC [+]

12:19:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00030631 = 9.5722 BTC [+] {4}

12:27:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55400 @ 0.00029775 = 16.4954 BTC [-]

12:28:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00029775 = 16.942 BTC [-]

13:05:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00029554 = 6.295 BTC [-] {2}

13:43:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00031008 = 7.4574 BTC [+] {4}

14:06:49 danielpbarron: height=315012 vs height=221024

14:11:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53908 @ 0.00029285 = 15.787 BTC [-] {2}

14:13:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00029062 = 2.107 BTC [-]

14:27:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25892 @ 0.00029081 = 7.5297 BTC [+]

14:44:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38824 @ 0.00029085 = 11.292 BTC [+] {2}

14:45:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32176 @ 0.00028747 = 9.2496 BTC [-] {3}

14:46:57 Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1089873 < and blockstream & 21

14:46:57 assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 07:20:16; BingoBoingo: <cazalla> http://qntra.net/2015/04/buttercoin-set-to-close/ << Between this and BitPay's struggles seems US money is going all in on CoinBase

15:24:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00028683 = 14.1407 BTC [-] {3}

15:30:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00029567 = 4.1689 BTC [+]

15:32:44 nubbins`: so i'm still not able to reproduce the portartronic pogotronic static build

15:32:56 nubbins`: totally have the static binary here, just... can't replicate the build.

15:33:34 nubbins`: and my patience has limits so this is on the back burner for the next week or so, at least.

16:00:16 ben_vulpes: gj in any event nubbins`

16:04:09 nubbins`: ty

16:04:25 nubbins`: fwiw it's just a matter of ripping out the chunks of boost that don't belong

16:04:55 nubbins`: easier said than done

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17:40:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00029242 = 9.6206 BTC [+]

17:57:26 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:58:14 ascii_field: https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2012-March/030286.html and especially http://sourceforge.net/p/openvpn/mailman/message/28892317

17:58:16 assbot: OpenVPN / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgpZEW )

17:58:32 ascii_field: 'If you believe "static linking" to mean something else from what I

17:58:32 ascii_field: described above, please enlighten us all!'

17:59:06 ascii_field: ^ examples from folks noticing The Boojum and grasping at air while trying to understand why they are being lied to

17:59:28 ascii_field: essentially, 'this -is- the new static linking. forget about the old one'

18:00:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28956 @ 0.00028891 = 8.3657 BTC [-] {3}

18:01:21 ascii_field: https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2012-March/030280.html << original

18:02:22 ascii_field: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/dropbear/2011q4/001207.html << 'dropbear not compiling statically' << just about every major security-themed lib affected, it appears

18:02:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iktyjz )

18:03:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00028483 = 5.1981 BTC [-]

18:09:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16574 @ 0.0002847 = 4.7186 BTC [-] {2}

18:16:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00028438 = 5.517 BTC [-] {2}

18:18:36 ascii_field: '"I suppose the idea is that everything will be in the downloaded file, so nothing depends on the local libraries on the target system. Unfortunately with Linux, and I think anything else using GLIBC, this still isn't quite true. There's this "libnss" (name service switch, some people seem to call it network security system) which provides functions for accessing various databases for authentication, network information,

18:18:36 ascii_field: and other things. It's supposed to make application programs independent of the separately configured actual network environment of the machine. A nice idea, but changes to GLIBC can lead to problems loading it. And you can't statically link "libnss", since it is configured for each machine individually. The problem comes, I think, mainly from statically linking other GLIBC libraries, notably "libpthread", "libm", and

18:18:38 ascii_field: "libc", from which come incompatible calls to "libnss" functions."'

18:19:07 mircea_popescu: so acthung panzers as the expression goes :

18:19:32 mircea_popescu: in the wake of my "who shat the libnss" investigation tptb have agreed something must be done about this.

18:19:54 mircea_popescu: what's now needed is an expert computer engineer willing and able to take over maintenance of libnss, starting with fixing it so it allows proper static linking.

18:20:15 mircea_popescu: you will be helped by the glibc team but you.absolutely.must.know.what.you're.doing.

18:20:18 ascii_field: why not shoot it in the head and maintain uclibc's ?

18:20:29 mircea_popescu: i am an open man running an open empire.

18:20:37 mircea_popescu: people get to do w/e the shit it is they want to do.

18:21:40 mircea_popescu: anyway, if one's interested feel free to contact me and i'll either say gtfo or tell you what you have to do. if you'd rather avoid the record of the gtfo feel free to discuss privately.

18:21:43 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i began reading the glibc source last night

18:21:50 ascii_field: must say that 'fix' is not the appropriate word

18:21:57 ascii_field: by any stretch of imagination

18:22:02 mircea_popescu: you being one of the perhaps five people that did it this year,

18:22:04 mircea_popescu: and i know the other four.

18:22:10 ascii_field: can you 'fix' a roadkill baking in the sun ?

18:22:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47050 @ 0.00028342 = 13.3349 BTC [-] {2}

18:22:26 mircea_popescu: but, regardless. every journey begins with a frenzied fuck and a sad kiss goodbye.

18:22:37 mircea_popescu: or w/e that expression was.

18:26:13 ascii_field: dns is pure gold as a pwnhole vector, incidentally

18:26:29 mircea_popescu: it seems *DESIGNED* for this purpose

18:26:52 mircea_popescu: at least from what i've pieced together from what people have been reciting to me as bedstories since my involvement in bitcoin

18:26:59 ascii_field: (solidly usg-controlled and no one other than us appears to smell the stink of the beast!)

18:27:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50750 @ 0.00028209 = 14.3161 BTC [-] {2}

18:27:27 mircea_popescu: yes. "and what happens if letter server sends you crafted package ?" "huh ?!"

18:27:54 mircea_popescu: "no that doesn't happen" "right" "you don't understand how the world works!"

18:28:27 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

18:29:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, it was good enough for the webpage + guestbook era, which is back when it shone. everything goes away eventually, and the duct tape and chewed gum contraptions holding togethere the everyman's arpanet especially so.

18:29:47 ascii_field: when i did a tour of duty as a perversely purposeless employee of university, the cellar below my office, one flight of steps down, was a dns root serv. peculiarly well-guarded and fortified for something so low-traffic (root dns servs get used hardly ever)

18:30:18 mircea_popescu: myeah.

18:30:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5861 @ 0.00028634 = 1.6782 BTC [+]

18:30:30 ascii_field: it was the one part of the grounds where one could not wander at will

18:30:57 ascii_field: multiple doors, each opened with fancy electric keys, etc.

18:31:09 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0RQRMWD << "domainers". because you know, thewhet exists.

18:31:10 assbot: dpaste: 0RQRMWD ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkyoNL )

18:31:29 ascii_field: ^ i get these regularly

18:31:40 mircea_popescu: this is a business now. derps actually hope to make money out of this. someone might care about domain names still, because they did pre 2001, because dotcom people were idiots

18:31:57 mircea_popescu: i hope they're sending google proposals for muggle

18:32:22 ascii_field: these schmucks bought up hundreds of thousands of 'valuable' domains. naturally they will try to monetize before fellating their pistols

18:32:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17992 @ 0.00028076 = 5.0514 BTC [-] {2}

18:32:33 mircea_popescu: heh.

18:33:02 mircea_popescu: the part i like best is the scamconferences they organise where they go to spend a coupla days in alt.universe where HUGE DEALS happen and stupidity is "an industry"

18:33:38 trinque: godaddy is now valued at what, 4 billion "dollars"?

18:33:38 mircea_popescu: their yearly total gross attained 1% of yearly expenditure in no year since 2001.

18:33:49 mircea_popescu: trinque godaddy makes money.

18:34:06 mircea_popescu: unlike pretty much anyone, including google and facebook/ godaddy is like apple.

18:34:56 trinque: huge revenue, pretty slim profit; I'm looking it up

18:35:16 trinque: dunno how you burn that much cash selling an imaginary product

18:35:30 trinque: this I guess is how usg creates jobs

18:35:32 trinque: :p

18:35:33 mircea_popescu: was discussed here. that ho being their "image" what's her name ?

18:35:35 ascii_field: trinque: easy. they're the only registrar with tv ads

18:35:49 mircea_popescu: right. the bitpay "method", except they're doing out of their own money.

18:36:06 ascii_field: their business model is unabashedly populistic-chumpatronic

18:36:16 mircea_popescu: trying to be fucking aol over here, huge corp with by far shittiest product.

18:36:27 mircea_popescu: luckily, the 80s are long gone, and this strat simply does not work.

18:36:52 mircea_popescu: kinda not bodes well for government, either, this state of affairs.

18:37:26 trinque: ascii_field: yep, you too can have your very own 'website'!

18:37:34 ascii_field: works great. sell joe the alcoholic bomzh 'joethealcoholicbomzh.com' for ten bux

18:37:38 trinque: post-dot-com business in a box

18:37:52 mircea_popescu: ascii_field except the last perso who bought was later indicted for terrorist bombmaking.

18:37:57 mircea_popescu: and that was three years ago.

18:38:04 mircea_popescu: kinda hard to call this "works"

18:38:42 *: trinque has trouble seeing the value in something that continues to lose money, but then, he's a simpleton

18:38:54 mircea_popescu: you gotta watch more don rickles.

18:39:01 ascii_field: http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc << anybody have experience with it ?

18:39:01 assbot: diet libc - a libc optimized for small size ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkzxVF )

18:39:05 mircea_popescu: "i make a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume"

18:39:12 trinque: lol

18:39:19 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's the other thing people use other than uclibc

18:39:23 ascii_field: aha

18:39:23 mircea_popescu: seems iffier.

18:39:30 ascii_field: but unlike uclibc, i have never used it.

18:39:37 ascii_field: uclibc - works.

18:39:40 mircea_popescu: it's more of a hipster crowd thing

18:39:47 mircea_popescu: better corners etc.

18:40:05 ascii_field: if weighs less - worth at least considering only on that merit alone

18:40:14 ascii_field: (but so far does not appear to be the case)

18:40:17 mircea_popescu: less than glibc. weighs about the same as uc

18:40:22 ascii_field: aha

18:40:40 mircea_popescu: give or take, but i'm not really crazy about the difference between 5% and 3% either way

18:40:55 mircea_popescu: as long as you shaved off the 95%, you've shaved.

18:41:00 mircea_popescu: ymmv.

18:41:23 ascii_field: was speaking of brain mass, rather than bytewise.

18:42:39 mircea_popescu: there's a correlation.

18:42:52 ascii_field: aha. but must remind readers that they are not one and the same.

18:43:15 ascii_field: (for pathologically degenerate case, see my fpga tale from conf-II)

18:43:22 mircea_popescu: lol

18:43:25 nubbins`: " The problem comes, I think, mainly from statically linking other GLIBC libraries, notably "libpthread"" <<< we're using that one

18:43:31 Pierre_Rochard: http://www.wsj.com/articles/in-silicon-valley-frenzy-vcs-create-new-inside-track-1427992176 << last time SPVs came up, it was subprime real estate

18:43:33 assbot: In Silicon Valley Frenzy, VCs Create New Inside Track - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkAahU )

18:43:55 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard it was, wans't it...

18:44:11 mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised "spvs" didn't get banned last time tbh.


18:45:11 mircea_popescu: "Pinterest board observer raised $200 million in three days to buy more shares?with startup?s blessing" << almost exactly different from how a ponzi is run,

18:45:18 mircea_popescu: for some values of "different".

18:46:13 Pierre_Rochard: my favorite was “Data analytics provider Palantir Technologies Inc., which was valued at $15 billion last September, turned to an SPV arranged by Founders Fund, a San Francisco firm headed by billionaire investors Peter Thiel, according to people familiar with the deal.”

18:46:15 mircea_popescu: aaanyways. it's a safe enough model for as long as inflation holds, because it's based on nominal figures. known as the hyperinflation debenture frenzy.

18:46:59 Pierre_Rochard: Peter Thiel is a co-founder of Palantir, convenient for him to arrange a deal!

18:47:07 Pierre_Rochard: yup

18:47:09 ascii_field: ^ for anyone who was living in a sealed bunker for the past few yrs, 'palantir' is one of the direct subcontractors to nsa panopticon wares

18:47:20 ascii_field: and actually thiel's main thing

18:47:25 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard oh, 21 closes ?

18:47:41 mircea_popescu: ascii_field myeah.

18:47:46 ascii_field: it is also perhaps the most comically named of them all

18:48:00 ascii_field: 'we serve the ultimate evil' loudly bragging, right in the name.

18:48:21 Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: almost a month ago: http://www.wsj.com/articles/big-names-put-cash-in-bitcoin-startup-21-inc-1426029318 (haven’t heard from them since)

18:48:23 assbot: Big Names Put Cash In Bitcoin Startup 21 Inc. - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkAUnl )

18:48:29 ascii_field: sorta like the skull on the ss uniform, but more so.

18:48:44 mircea_popescu: dude for all the pretense they put forth ... they've been gone for a month and i've not yet run into a mourning woman ?

18:49:01 mircea_popescu: wtf is this world where such great things can go out and not even a billion people show for the burial.

18:49:06 mircea_popescu: i was expecting better, world.

18:49:32 mircea_popescu: ascii_field hybris is its own sort of dementia.

18:50:10 ascii_field: http://www.digital-resistance.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/s-1.jpg << obligatory classic

18:50:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IkBd1r )

18:50:22 mircea_popescu: generally, illness in humans is manifested as a contraction of the "presence bubble". you may sit in your bed thinking of things as far away as a continent, but the man in pain sees nothing past his nose. and the man in love, past HER nose.

18:50:34 mircea_popescu: mental disease is no different, diseased states are always narrower than sanity.

18:51:28 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: except that diseased state happily contracts the megalomania out to a hundred various 'mengeles' each of whom focuses on the insides of a particular variety of designated untermensch

18:51:35 ascii_field: and happily slices, slices

18:51:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00027837 = 7.2376 BTC [-] {4}

18:52:04 mircea_popescu: sure.

18:52:29 mircea_popescu: it also doesn't work, necessarily. if it did, we wouldn't actually need bitcoin to solve the specific problems it solves.

18:53:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field : https://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2012-March/030285.html better linkage.

18:53:33 ascii_field: aha it

18:53:34 mircea_popescu: in which we find out that openssh does not wish to bestatic linked, and this by design.

18:53:45 ascii_field: ^ what i was trying to get across, yes

18:53:47 mircea_popescu: this, of course, was pre HB. now they might be more amenable. lol.

18:54:45 mircea_popescu: !up chmod755

18:54:50 ascii_field: aha lol, doubt it

18:55:20 ascii_field: if anything, the muppets are emboldened by the gotterdammerung which did not come

18:55:27 mircea_popescu: quite.

18:56:09 mircea_popescu: of course, the original was a fucking cycle of operas.

18:56:16 mircea_popescu: takes a while to get to the valkyries.

19:06:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79000 @ 0.00027745 = 21.9186 BTC [-] {4}

19:12:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00027412 = 1.3432 BTC [-] {2}

19:21:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00028447 = 3.3141 BTC [+]

19:28:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00028655 = 7.1208 BTC [+] {2}

19:33:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00028195 = 9.2198 BTC [-] {2}

19:47:34 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:48:47 ascii_field: http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/04/dell-support-software-gets-flagged-by-antivirus-program << the vuln is a few weeks old but this is lulzy

19:48:48 assbot: Dell support software gets flagged by antivirus program | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CsHFLi )

20:00:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30188 @ 0.0002716 = 8.1991 BTC [-] {2}

20:19:13 nubbins`: "Guess we all know why theymos has been hanging out in the transvestite hangouts now. He's embezeld the forum donations to turn Bad Bears P into a V so he could be his B and he gave him admin privalges so you could come here to take out his frustrations after he rams it up his ass until he bleeds. "

20:19:14 nubbins`: HEH

20:26:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36040 @ 0.00027056 = 9.751 BTC [-] {4}

20:27:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18596 @ 0.00027326 = 5.0815 BTC [+]

20:31:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00028077 = 2.0215 BTC [+]

20:37:57 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:38:05 ascii_field: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/is-it-legal-for-us-military-to-scan-the-publics-computers-for-kid-porn << unrelated lulz

20:38:07 assbot: Is it legal for US military to scan the public’s computers for kid porn? | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DU8UUS )

20:39:43 ascii_field: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/04/man-beats-child-porn-rap-by-proving-accidental-downloading << related

20:39:44 assbot: Man beats child porn rap by proving unintentional downloading | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1aDzOoR )

20:40:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00028388 = 5.2518 BTC [+] {2}

20:59:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00028077 = 1.3196 BTC [-]

21:10:40 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:15:39 ascii_field: mega-l0l >> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/facebook-fugitive-attached-gps-monitor-to-a-motorized-contraption

21:15:41 assbot: Facebook fugitive attached GPS monitor to a “motorized contraption” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1xYtQsQ )

21:16:08 ascii_field: '...sliced off his GPS ankle monitor and affixed it to a crudely built contraption in his rural New York residence "in order to give the appearance that he was still present and moving within his home."'

21:16:36 *: ascii_field always assumed these have tamper traps like the neck-bombs from the film 'deadlock'

21:16:42 ascii_field: -- but evidently not ?

21:17:50 BingoBoingo: Maybe the assumption of a tamper trap is normally enough?

21:18:17 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: doesn't hold against competent victim

21:18:45 ascii_field: perhaps it is best to be thought a complete idiot, in this specific scenario.

21:18:47 BingoBoingo: Right, but if the designer of the trap isn't competent...

21:20:30 ascii_field: judge: 'I want Mr. Ceglia -- sir, you need to understand something about me. I have no compunction about taking people's parents' homes away and heaving them homeless on the street -- none whatsoever.'

21:20:51 ascii_field: 'THE COURT: As I said I am perfectly happy to bankrupt them. I am perfectly happy to take their real estate and to sell it, if that is what they choose. '

21:30:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00028077 = 1.6144 BTC [-]

21:44:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00028674 = 6.509 BTC [+]

21:53:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00028674 = 11.8424 BTC [+]

21:54:56 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:19:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00028458 = 9.9888 BTC [-] {2}

22:27:49 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:28:36 mats: .engineer domains can nao be rented for the low low cost of just $50,000

22:29:46 ascii_field: i want '.lame'

22:30:17 mats: reverse.engineer can be had for $48,000

22:30:30 mats: watta 'premium domain'

22:31:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19458 @ 0.00028688 = 5.5821 BTC [+] {2}

22:35:44 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--WSeI2wX6--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/keo46ag1wk6udbmagfhv.jpg

22:35:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1aDUGMI )

22:45:31 mats: i chortled

23:00:36 lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084982 << Why ridiculous? Wealth is good, no? Or are you saying that amassing large amounts of currency is pointless in a 'post-industrial' world.

23:00:36 assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 21:17:32; mircea_popescu: might as well make your strategy "to get really really fat"

23:00:40 lobbes: Or is it simply: "Don't make yourself a target for usg" ?

23:00:46 lobbes: !up ascii_field

23:06:50 lobbes: Surely wealth alone is not enough, but it does allow some 'power' does it not? Either way, I'm just some schmuck aspiring to wealth. Not sure how much I'm qualified to speak on such things.

23:07:01 lobbes: Anyway, I got some reading to catch up on. As you were, logs

23:08:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00028942 = 6.6856 BTC [+]

23:33:41 mod6: is there one specific site that you pay the .ar reciprocity fee?

23:34:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30754 @ 0.00028089 = 8.6385 BTC [-] {2}

23:35:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71421 @ 0.00027001 = 19.2844 BTC [-] {4}

23:36:12 mod6: if it's this site: https://reciprocidad.provincianet.com.ar/

23:36:15 assbot: Provincia NET :: Reprocity Fee ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ct0gXJ )

23:36:21 mod6: do i need to make a login id?

23:36:56 mod6: guess i must

23:49:14 mats: http://phrack.org/issues/66/10.html << 'malloc des-maleficarum', a classic

23:49:15 assbot: .:: Phrack Magazine ::. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DdNilV )

23:52:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35900 @ 0.0002835 = 10.1777 BTC [+] {2}

23:55:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090151 << nothing the usg uses actually works.

23:55:36 assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 21:16:42; ascii_field: -- but evidently not ?

23:55:52 mircea_popescu: it just sort-of works provided a) lemmings and b) some very basic nonsensical assumptions.

23:56:13 mircea_popescu: but yes, ductape it on one of those robo vacuum cleanners... "nobody could have foreseen"

23:57:48 mats: https://sploitfun.wordpress.com/2015/02/10/understanding-glibc-malloc/

23:57:49 assbot: Understanding glibc malloc | sploitF-U-N ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ct1SAJ )