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00:00:13 trinque: I'm saying one setting for "serve blocks to others" and another for which nodes to connect to

00:00:27 asciilifeform: i have a box where some sniveling fucker has been lifting payloads out of tcp, for ~9+ hours now.

00:01:24 asciilifeform: trinque: setting '-peers' for nodes which 1) don't obey 'misbehave' bits 2) get served PRIORITY regardless of what

00:01:56 asciilifeform: 3) node is considered to be operating in red blinkenlight mode if ANY of them are not responding

00:02:36 asciilifeform: call'em 'supernodez' if feeling rpietilian

00:04:07 shinohai: I just commented out my addnode/connect jazz just to run for now :/

00:04:09 asciilifeform: #2 in particular means that 'plebes' get DROPPED EN MASSE if that's what it takes

00:04:15 asciilifeform: to service a noble.

00:05:32 asciilifeform: this is good prep for the shiny phyoootooreh of hello kitty when noble nodes will sit on trunk lines and connecting to them will cost what a seat at nyse costs

00:06:20 shinohai: ^____________________^

00:06:47 asciilifeform: laugh all you like, but i can't picture things working, long-term, any other way

00:13:26 shinohai: asciilifeform: with the pogo binary from the mailing list I got 3 connections xD

00:17:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24928 @ 0.00053707 = 13.3881 BTC [-]

00:18:12 shinohai: nm, they arent the connections I specified.

00:25:21 BingoBoingo: !up tcrypt

00:27:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19551 @ 0.00053707 = 10.5003 BTC [-] {2}

00:27:58 BingoBoingo: It looks like MS has been outbid for Theo's love http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150804161939

00:27:59 assbot: The OpenBSD Foundation Announces First Platinum Donor: CII ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN2xWq )

00:32:59 shinohai: https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fv6jp/payed_for_coffee_payed_twice_by_mistake_merchant/ <<< kek

00:33:00 assbot: Payed for coffee. Payed twice by mistake. Merchant used BitPay. Help! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN2TMR )

00:54:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90244 @ 0.00054299 = 49.0016 BTC [+] {3}

00:54:54 shinohai: Little wonder I can find any jobs4bitcoin these days: http://redd.it/3a536o

00:54:55 assbot: HIRING: 3 BTC Finder fee, find a lender for me. : Jobs4Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN4S3H )

00:57:06 punkman: shinohai, dafuq is that

00:57:38 shinohai: Some idiot on jobs4bitcoin. Some days the requests baffle me.

00:57:58 punkman: looks like plain laundering deal

00:59:44 shinohai: My thoughts as well. I'll throw up a webserver or stuff like that on there. But those sorts of postings are a big nope for me.

01:02:00 punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/comments/3fv8hj/for_hire_chinese_to_english_translation/

01:02:01 assbot: [For Hire] Chinese to English Translation : Jobs4Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRP5PR )

01:02:04 punkman: lulz4bitcoin

01:02:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23001 @ 0.00055705 = 12.8127 BTC [+]

01:03:08 punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Jobs4Bitcoins/comments/3fl4ch/hiring_secure_web_developer/ << meowmix!

01:03:09 assbot: [Hiring] Secure Web Developer : Jobs4Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRPaTo )

01:03:33 BingoBoingo: These rates https://archive.is/w7WwW

01:03:34 assbot: [For Hire] Chinese to English Translation : Jobs4Bitcoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1KRPbH0 )

01:04:23 punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/fakeid/comments/3fpymm/meowmixids_scammed_me/

01:04:24 assbot: Meowmixids scammed me : fakeid ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN5NB5 )

01:04:55 mats: win10 has a package manager

01:04:59 mats: huk

01:05:07 BingoBoingo: Orly

01:09:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32983 @ 0.00053367 = 17.602 BTC [-] {2}

01:15:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some nodes may be like that, but it's necessarily going to be the exception not the rule

01:16:51 BingoBoingo: Oh, so /r/coontown was banned

01:17:46 BingoBoingo: I think it makes sense for node operators to come to agreements to make some of their connections through SSH tunnels.

01:19:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9917 @ 0.00052836 = 5.2397 BTC [-]

01:21:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty obvious that it would be a rare thing. most folks don't have nyse seats.

01:21:15 asciilifeform: dulap ~still~ in black hole.

01:21:53 *: asciilifeform spent the past few hrs looking at what it'd take to craft the 'noble nodez' thing.

01:21:56 mircea_popescu: so why aren;t you buying the trunk line

01:22:17 asciilifeform: because i'm a pauper ?

01:22:44 asciilifeform: why else.

01:22:52 mircea_popescu: hm

01:22:58 mircea_popescu: that didn't play out as expected.

01:23:03 asciilifeform: l0l

01:23:43 *: BingoBoingo thinks something like OpenBSD uses for authenticating repository keys for anonCVS could work for important node connections

01:24:07 mircea_popescu: "If you can write 'if' in FORTH, then why restrict 44 yourself to the usual if/while/for/switch constructs? You want a construct that iterates 45 over every other element in a list of numbers? You can add it to the language."

01:24:12 mircea_popescu: this strikes me as uniquely retarded

01:24:22 asciilifeform: what, in particular ?

01:24:23 mircea_popescu: why would i make a "construct" in the language that does i+2

01:24:38 asciilifeform: say you wanna implement a bignum

01:24:50 mircea_popescu: ok

01:25:10 asciilifeform: walks an array of $machineword and adds'em up, munging the carry bits as needed.

01:25:14 asciilifeform: just one example.

01:25:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not even the darkest voodoo. consider, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-06-2015#1169416

01:25:43 assbot: Logged on 20-06-2015 01:37:28; asciilifeform: phun phakt: 'scheme' programming language has its 'call-with-current-continuation', perhaps the oddest and 'most generic' control structure known, which takes the current place in execution and turns it into an assignable (yes) closure (i.e. callable function!) -- typically it is implemented using setjmp().

01:25:49 mircea_popescu: why would i want to do it THIS way

01:26:24 asciilifeform: resistance of the medium

01:26:27 mircea_popescu: sit there and debug off-by-one errors in a pile of asm ?

01:26:32 asciilifeform: you wouldn't

01:26:33 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with include bignum.h

01:26:39 asciilifeform: BECAUSE NOT FORTH

01:26:48 asciilifeform: not part of the universe.

01:26:52 asciilifeform: can't be sourced at runtime

01:26:54 asciilifeform: and twiddled

01:27:03 mircea_popescu: so i static link

01:27:05 asciilifeform: and 'debug' only happens if someone made mistake.

01:27:11 asciilifeform: universe is to be perfect.

01:27:12 mircea_popescu: yes. me.

01:27:17 mircea_popescu: that's mostly what i make.

01:27:18 mircea_popescu: mistakes.

01:27:21 asciilifeform: l0l

01:27:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu please don't change profession to sapper.

01:28:10 mircea_popescu: problem is sapper keeps trying to change profession into me

01:28:17 *: mircea_popescu is jus' sittin' here

01:28:23 asciilifeform: 'you may not be interested in sapping, but sapping is interested in you'

01:28:55 mircea_popescu: aha

01:29:01 asciilifeform: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ExampleForthCode << for 'forth' n00bz

01:29:03 assbot: Example Forth Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7rmd )

01:29:07 asciilifeform: (and potential aficionados)

01:29:37 asciilifeform: this, recall, is the universe on which chuck moore built not only ic, but entire tooling for his fab.

01:29:50 asciilifeform: possibly the only non-winblowz/wintel-based electronics toolchain in the world.

01:30:02 asciilifeform: (remaining)

01:30:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> resistance of the medium << Is there any other reason to ever do anything?

01:30:54 asciilifeform: btw if you own a 'mac' or a 'sun', you have forth.

01:31:56 BingoBoingo: https://voat.co/v/CoonTown/comments/379756 << Reddit

01:31:57 assbot: Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7zlK )

01:32:08 asciilifeform: or possibly only on ppc macs?

01:32:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ?

01:32:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably only on PPC. PPC got a lot of cool stuff. Perhaps not across whole PPC run though. Will have to look into.

01:33:27 asciilifeform: 'A community will be Quarantined on Reddit when we deem its content to be extremely offensive or upsetting to the average redditor or to ourselves.' << l0lziez

01:34:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00053946 = 12.4615 BTC [+]

01:34:59 *: BingoBoingo not sure if entirely improvement or not http://dpaste.com/30TF18Z

01:35:01 assbot: dpaste: 30TF18Z ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7K0k )

01:35:31 asciilifeform: l0l, medicine for corpse.

01:36:32 asciilifeform: http://cubbi.com/fibonacci/forth.html << moar forth for n00bz

01:36:33 assbot: cubbi.com: fibonacci numbers in Forth ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7OgO )

01:36:36 asciilifeform: (basic maths)

01:37:27 asciilifeform: if it seems 'hairy', it is only to folks who don't use 'rpn' calculator daily.

01:37:42 BingoBoingo: Forth looks incredibly legible. More so than cpp

01:37:55 asciilifeform: and worth noting that a perfectly usable forth, on which all of these examples will run, can be implemented for just about ~any~ machine in a few HUNDRED BYTES

01:38:09 asciilifeform: needing not even operating system.

01:38:28 asciilifeform: (so long as you have a serial port going)

01:38:41 *: mircea_popescu doesn't dispute any of this.

01:39:08 mircea_popescu: but it does seem to me very much akin to a "hey, if you salt a fresh frog leg you can electrocute it into moving". cool! but instead i order my slaves to read and summarize for me!

01:39:09 asciilifeform: it doesn't cure cancer, baldness, impotence, no.

01:39:33 asciilifeform: this is more like 'a few minutes' incantations create a gurl from thin air'

01:39:42 mircea_popescu: orly ?

01:39:48 asciilifeform: she might not be grade-a beauty, but fuckable.

01:39:50 mircea_popescu: this i'd like to see demonstrated.

01:39:51 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

01:39:55 asciilifeform: ask chuck moore.

01:39:57 mircea_popescu: i guess we get to the gist of it

01:39:59 asciilifeform: he's in her right now.

01:40:13 asciilifeform: !s greenarrays

01:40:14 assbot: 14 results for 'greenarrays' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=greenarrays

01:40:17 mircea_popescu: yes in her, but as in, he fell in ?

01:40:20 *: BingoBoingo flipping through Eulora source can make no sense of what files do what. It is nothing like Bitcoin which is the only big cpp turn I am kinda familiar with.

01:40:34 asciilifeform: neh, as in pumping happily

01:40:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo chetty spent two years for a result in parts no different.

01:41:31 asciilifeform: http://yosefk.com/blog/my-history-with-forth-stack-machines.html << obligatory re: up/down of forth

01:41:35 assbot: My history with Forth & stack machines ... ( http://bit.ly/1JN7Y7N )

01:41:35 asciilifeform: ^ mega-classic

01:42:07 mircea_popescu: "My VLSI tools take a chip from conception through testing. Perhaps 500 lines of source code. Cadence, Mentor Graphics do the same, more or less. With how much source/object code?"

01:42:11 asciilifeform: (imho the definitive work on the subject)

01:42:12 mircea_popescu: yeah, this part is clear to me

01:42:16 mircea_popescu: but... i don't design chips!

01:42:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I may surprise drop cg less full open Eulora client, but more likely CrystalSpace will hit version 2.2, chetty will build Eulora client against it, and Full Open Eulora client just happens

01:42:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't think we will ever move that.

01:42:43 asciilifeform: it is an example of a gnarly domain that chuck moore obliterated into something that fits in his palm.

01:42:52 *: asciilifeform brb eating

01:44:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It appears years in the future. I imagine Adlai will prolly get an emacs client first. Or I'll get a sacrificial linux machine first (sacrificial linux machine is tiered below box to colo cheap for infrastructure BTC node).

01:45:29 BingoBoingo: But I am in the process of dancing with university to set up job interview, so may have fiat stream to start burning soon

01:46:06 mircea_popescu: : ( 41 word drop ; immediate

01:46:14 mircea_popescu: i have to know the ascii value of ) to code in forth ?

01:47:33 Adlai: being able to grow a beard should suffice

01:50:26 scoopbot_revived: BitBet (S.BBET) July 2015 Statement http://fraudsters.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-july-2015-statement/

01:51:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truth be told : do you find this interesting for any other reason than the vague whiff of a promise of perhaps allowing you toi make btc chips /

01:52:39 BingoBoingo: Resistance of the medium?

01:53:00 BingoBoingo: Oh BitBet got big donations!!!

01:54:49 mod6: ok so was kinda thinking about something here... so we all love to hate the mailing list in a way - but it's a decent spot to post new things, experimental, SoBAs etc. But it's not good for keeping track of patches that /actually/ are accepted and a part of a given "release".

01:55:55 mod6: but what if we then, say, at the end of a testing/release cycle were to (instead of signing or as well as posting to the mailing list) post the plaintext patch and a detach signature from the originating author, myself & ben to deedbot as a perm storage for these patches?

01:56:14 mod6: trinque thinks this might be able to be implemented without moving heaven and earth

01:56:56 mircea_popescu: "Good Forth programmers reportedly don't use much of those. Good Forth programmers arrange things so that they flow on the stack. " this is mel redivivus innit. most pessimum!

01:57:26 mircea_popescu: mod6 why'd it need anything moved at all ?

01:58:17 mod6: oh, i think he was saying that he would need to implement accepting a second argument and making it so that the URL contains a hash of the original plaintext patch.

01:58:38 trinque: mircea_popescu: he's considering a case where the thing would be able to accept new detached sigs for existing deeds

01:59:06 *: BingoBoingo thinks whole problem is that 'patch' demands line numbers instead of using nearby lines of code as landmarks

01:59:21 mod6: that way it sort of also solves the problem of keeping track of who signed which patch. since deedbot stores these sigs in a horizontal fashion next to the address.

01:59:45 mircea_popescu: promises to make a nightmare of management tho.

01:59:55 mircea_popescu: how do i do "find me all people who signed this" ?

02:00:11 trinque: that calls for a second screen which would group by deed and list the sigs

02:00:13 mod6: i guess this thought was sort of a work in progress.

02:00:28 mod6: maybe something can be added? like trinque is saying? i dunno.

02:00:35 punkman: BingoBoingo: it does use nearby lines

02:01:02 trinque: neat thought; I can see something useful there for contracts generally

02:01:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. i both read this before and i broadly agree with the man.

02:02:38 punkman: trinque: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-11-2014#915286

02:02:38 assbot: Logged on 09-11-2014 01:21:15; punkman: here's a thought: .sign AQLSTVsF http://paste.com/detached_sig.txt

02:03:44 trinque: punkman: yup that's precisely what's being discussed

02:04:43 mod6: so i guess all in all, the deedbot solution, if it can be created, seems better than my initial proposal of 2 mailing lists; one for everything, one for patches accepted only. which seems simple as well, but now we have to manage two lists.

02:05:12 mod6: on the other side of the coin, if we do something like this with deedbot, we need to ensure a mirror is always available.

02:05:24 punkman: I don't see how deeding patches helps with what started this discussion

02:05:56 mircea_popescu: "Bacteria have no junk in their DNA. " << very false, actually. percent-wise, the junk-in-dna is perhaps the most stable parameter of life in general

02:06:18 mircea_popescu: tbh i don't either.

02:06:32 mod6: well, nevermind then.

02:07:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64250 @ 0.000527 = 33.8598 BTC [-] {2}

02:07:29 punkman: not that I'd mind patch deeds, but can basically deed patch hashes already

02:08:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00055807 = 20.9276 BTC [+] {3}

02:08:23 trinque: this grouping together of things signed can be done with deeds as they are

02:08:41 mircea_popescu: moreover, it just puts you in harm's way mod6.

02:08:42 trinque: just a hash of the content aside from the sig

02:08:50 mircea_popescu: what, now you're oBLIGEd to sign shit so people can use it ?

02:08:54 mircea_popescu: what you got, a deathwish ?

02:09:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226803 << i happen to like forth. i bring up chuck moore as an example of 'yes we can recreate 25 years of electronics on a napkin, and it'll fucking work'

02:09:28 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 01:51:35; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truth be told : do you find this interesting for any other reason than the vague whiff of a promise of perhaps allowing you toi make btc chips /

02:09:38 asciilifeform: these are not entirely related, however.

02:10:05 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> moreover, it just puts you in harm's way mod6. << well. not all patches, just ones that we've signed off on anyway.

02:10:13 mircea_popescu: i still don't see why i'd do it, myself.

02:10:17 mod6: no different than what we're already doing.

02:10:18 BingoBoingo: Oh, so much qntra DDoS

02:10:30 mod6: or is it? and how?

02:10:53 mircea_popescu: if it's no different then why's it being discussed :)

02:12:28 mod6: i just figured it was a neato way to keep the patches that we sign separate from the rest of the heap of stuff.

02:12:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226813 << prolly the #1 common n00b observation. but you really want patches to only apply to precisely the thing they were meant for! context doesn't give you that.

02:12:31 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 01:59:06; *: BingoBoingo thinks whole problem is that 'patch' demands line numbers instead of using nearby lines of code as landmarks

02:12:34 trinque: one tangle is the lack of clear separation of problems in the conversation.

02:12:40 mod6: but i see your point.

02:12:52 trinque: you've got "who signed this patch" and also "what is the parent node patch of this patch"

02:13:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: File hashes fix

02:13:08 asciilifeform: aha

02:13:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fixed.

02:13:30 punkman: asciilifeform: but it does fuzz

02:13:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I get a 404 nao

02:13:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: nevermind, fixed

02:14:34 trinque: I actually grow to like the wiki suggestion best for the patch tree

02:14:36 BingoBoingo: And somehow 9 comment spammers made it through DDoS

02:14:57 trinque: need to document process at a step? go for it, it's a damn wiki

02:15:18 mircea_popescu: so wait, are we upon meditation now unaccepting the previous consensus-y spot ?

02:15:30 asciilifeform: ???

02:15:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226478

02:15:43 assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 21:50:41; mircea_popescu: but i guess the consensus is pointing towards, ml gets restated with antecedents, trinque writes a grapher for it all ?

02:15:49 *: asciilifeform really, really doesn't grasp why any of the things mentioned thus far - OTHER than the antecedent markers - are needed.

02:16:09 asciilifeform: them & the grapher.

02:16:24 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/08/us-dod-may-surrender-substantial-ipv4-address-territory/#comment-37440 << chairmanmao@gov.cn

02:16:54 trinque: that actually works fine for me as a separate tool, and as you say, if there's a wiki, great

02:16:54 mod6: <+asciilifeform> them & the grapher. << i can live with this.

02:17:01 mod6: was just derpin i guess.

02:17:04 trinque: mircea_popescu: yep that sounds fine

02:17:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not Official until approved by hitler@whitehouse.gov

02:17:14 BingoBoingo: lol

02:17:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "ddos" is you know, best effort kinda deal. just because you can't get through in 5 tries doesn't mean every one of the 50k or whatever many tries also failks.

02:18:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Given the duration seems like they succeded closer to 1 in 4 or 1 in 3

02:21:17 BingoBoingo: https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4933387980_7d87a984d8_o.jpg

02:21:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4wCfU )

02:27:33 trinque: BingoBoingo: fucker just got me actually

02:27:47 trinque: he challenged me to a game of "lemme try an' cut you" and I lost

02:28:16 BingoBoingo: I me probably not going to intentionally acquire cat until possesses farm.

02:28:17 scoopbot_revived: Brief Offer Insight into USG Theory of Internet Security http://qntra.net/2015/08/brief-offer-insight-into-usg-theory-of-internet-security/

02:28:40 BingoBoingo: Title fxd

02:29:51 decimation: as a long time user of RPN calculators I do indeed find forth pleasing

02:30:10 trinque: BingoBoingo: "As if so often" << typo

02:30:45 punkman: "Next Generation Cyber Initiative (Next Gen Cyber) received USD$ 400.6 mn in Treasury funding in 2014 alone, which was used to employ 1`333 full-time positions" << really? they couldn't have hired 4 more?

02:30:54 BingoBoingo: fxd

02:31:04 BingoBoingo: punkman: For Srs

02:31:15 asciilifeform: n00bz

02:31:19 asciilifeform: this is a standard usg racket:

02:32:10 mircea_popescu: 2. Next Generation Cyber Initiative (Next Gen Cyber) received USD$ 400.6 mn in Treasury funding in 2014 alone, which was used to employ 1`333 full-time positions including 756 agents.

02:32:18 mircea_popescu: shoulda just paid for cyberlockerz lmao

02:32:49 asciilifeform: 1) 'we MUST do N xs!!111!!!' 2) congress funds 2N 3) 'we could not afford to fill N x-s!' 4) congress funds 100N 5) 'we finally filled N/2! victory will come!' 6) 'private sector partnerz' snort coke, laugh all the way to 'skull and bones' frat reunion with N/2 worth of usd in the form of diamond suitcases.

02:33:21 asciilifeform: (the rest - exercise for reader)

02:34:53 BingoBoingo: CIA cuts coke with talcum for private sector partners?

02:34:56 asciilifeform: the joke is always on the public, because at no point was so much as N=1 needed for any conceivable purpose

02:35:56 asciilifeform: not even in the sense that every street corner 'needs' a cop, or said cop 'needs' the democratizer baton on his belt

02:37:31 asciilifeform: 'and that Darkode intended to use Bitcoin addresses as authentication tools' << mno. someone purporting to be 'darkode' admin proclaimed that ~some idiot webwallet~ will be used !

02:37:40 asciilifeform: != 'bitcoin addresses'

02:37:48 asciilifeform: multiple levels of imbecility here

02:38:22 asciilifeform: did anyone ~really~ expect to hear about ACTUAL opposition, the kind with teeth, to usg, from usg-controlled media organs /

02:38:23 asciilifeform: ?

02:38:31 asciilifeform: expect only isises.

02:40:07 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ^

02:40:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:40:52 asciilifeform: ;;calc 400600000 / 1333

02:40:52 gribble: 300525.131283

02:40:56 asciilifeform: notbad.jpg

02:41:31 asciilifeform: even if half goes to cocaine for skull&bonez

02:42:31 asciilifeform: that's still 2x the market rate for a chimp who clicks a mouse to run 'EnCase'

02:42:41 asciilifeform: if not 3x

02:44:36 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Jaundiced Pooh update http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/i-dont-let-my-kids-watch-winnie-pooh-because-i-don-2842

02:44:37 assbot: I Don’t Let My Kids Watch Winnie The Pooh Because... | ClickHole ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4xvFk )

02:45:53 asciilifeform: as for mircea_popescu's observation as quoted in qntra, i will say now what i said then:

02:46:29 asciilifeform: the reason anyone (NOT skull&bones and paid $maxint for zero work) works for usg is precisely the same reason anyone works for zimbabwe or mali:

02:46:35 asciilifeform: the rent gotta be paid.

02:46:45 BingoBoingo: ?Hey, kids, come watch the emasculated bear with the scary fingerless hands who?s never fucked a day in his life and who is obsessed with a little boy of a different species.?

02:46:52 asciilifeform: and it isn't like the country has much of a real economy left, to work in, to pay it with

02:47:30 trinque: "I'd much rather my kids watch the fuck machine named Big Bird." << oh my sides

02:47:45 BingoBoingo: trinque: Seriously

02:48:02 BingoBoingo: "He?s got that swagger. There are a lot of good lessons children can learn from a major-league pussy-crusher like Big Bird, such as the importance of confidence, courage, and friendship. "

02:48:48 BingoBoingo: "Winnie the Pooh, on the other hand, wouldn?t know the first thing about courage. If he were on United Airlines Flight 93, for example, not only would he have not joined the revolt against the terrorists, but he probably would?ve gotten down on his yellow knees and sucked the terrorists? cocks one by one. ?Oh, bother!? he would shrug as the al-Qaeda operatives drilled the back of his throat with their pube-slathered ding

02:48:48 BingoBoingo: -dongs."

02:48:58 decimation: asciilifeform: yes my relatively modest lifestyle needs 10-20 btc/month

02:49:10 trinque: http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/its-our-duty-support-troops-and-second-amendment-c-1929

02:49:11 assbot: It’s Our Duty To Support The Troops And The Secon... | ClickHole ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrXbPp )

02:49:11 decimation: easily double or triple in east coast

02:49:12 trinque: wahahahaha

02:49:16 asciilifeform: decimation: aha

02:49:31 asciilifeform: and this is just bare minimum

02:49:49 decimation: asciilifeform: to the first approximation, we all work for the fed

02:49:50 asciilifeform: (anyone who thinks that this is 'serious money' should try, say, getting sick in usa)

02:50:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.00055814 = 21.5163 BTC [+]

02:50:00 asciilifeform: aha

02:50:06 trinque: "...it's everyone's duty to support the troops, and also to support the Second Amendment should the day come when we need to overthrow the government and kill those troops."

02:50:11 decimation: lol

02:50:51 decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=2 < lulz

02:50:53 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrXolC )

02:51:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54900 @ 0.00055814 = 30.6419 BTC [+]

02:51:04 decimation: "My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States."

02:51:05 asciilifeform: trinque: the thing is quite like what mr mold called 'crocodile humour' (unfair, imho, characterization of soviet magazine 'krokodil') - 'the powerful laughing at the powerless'

02:51:49 asciilifeform: or, bringing back orwell,

02:51:51 asciilifeform: 'B?raud used to contribute to the Fascist weekly paper Gringoire, which in its later years had become the most disgusting rag it is possible to imagine. I have seldom been so angered by anything in the press as by its cartoon when the wretched Spanish refugees streamed into France with Italian aeroplanes machine-gunning them all the way. The Spaniards were pictured as a procession of villainous-looking men, each pushing a han

02:51:51 asciilifeform: d-cart piled with jewellery and bags of gold. Gringoire kept up an almost continuous outcry for the suppression of the French Communist Party, but it was equally fierce against even the mildest politicians of the Left. One can get an idea of the moral level at which it conducted political controversy from the fact that it once published a cartoon showing L?on Blum in bed with his own sister. Its advertisement columns were ful

02:51:52 asciilifeform: l of ads for clairvoyants and books of pornography. This piece of rubbish was said to have a circulation of 500,000.'

02:53:50 trinque: I can see the point; in fact I made a similar one about "satirical" news shows recently

02:54:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00053779 = 8.6315 BTC [-]

02:54:11 trinque: still I'll have a chuckle at my own powerlessness

02:54:26 decimation: yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb'

02:54:56 asciilifeform: 'Note also how quickly Reynolds resorts to ridicule. There is a kind of pseudosatirical humor, or what would be humor if it was in any way funny, that is an unmistakable product of his time in Moscow. I call the trope "crocodile humor" after the Soviet humor magazine, Krokodil.'

02:55:03 asciilifeform: ( mr mold, http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-to-read-and-enjoy-bogus-history.html )

02:55:04 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: How to read and enjoy bogus history ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4xQrE )

02:55:13 BingoBoingo: <decimation> yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb' << And yet us comparatively redder necks... Don't have urban hipster problems.

02:55:37 decimation: yes, in general the rednecks don't give a fuck (rightly so)

02:55:38 asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/11/president-obama-with-little-perspective.html << the canonical post

02:55:39 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: President Obama, with a little perspective ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4xWzg )

02:55:50 asciilifeform: 'Many UR readers have had the priceless educational privilege of growing up behind the Iron Curtain. These readers will identify Professor DeLong's tone at once: it is the tone of the Soviet humor magazine Krokodil. I will take the liberty of Anglicizing, and call it "crocodile humor." Extremely educated readers may also be familiar with the Nazi variant, as found in Der St?rmer and the like. The material is different, of cou

02:55:51 asciilifeform: rse, but the tone is unmistakable. We'll hear a good deal more of it in the next four years.'

02:56:08 asciilifeform: 'Crocodile humor is the laughter of the powerful at the powerless. It is not intended to be funny. It is intended to intimidate. Those who laugh, as many do, are those who love to submerge themselves in a mob, feel its strength as theirs, chant and shake their spears as one.'

02:56:39 decimation: a very stark example recently is the outrage/mockery over that lion safari guy

02:56:43 trinque: btw, fraudsters is down

02:57:33 trinque: asciilifeform: I laugh at the gallows, not at any mob power

02:57:38 trinque: but it's a point well made

02:58:23 asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/Krokodil_1985_13.djvu << uploaded for this thread. i will let readers decide if mr mold was fair about krokodil

02:58:29 decimation: "A week later, my mother gathered me with nine of my siblings to explain that her uncle had been attacked but escaped with nothing more than an injured leg. The lion sucked the life out of the village: No one socialized by fires at night; no one dared stroll over to a neighbor’s homestead."

02:58:31 asciilifeform: perhaps he was - and had read this exact issue

02:58:36 decimation: "When the lion was finally killed, no one cared whether its murderer was a local person or a white trophy hunter, whether it was poached or killed legally. We danced and sang about the vanquishing of the fearsome beast and our escape from serious harm."

02:58:40 asciilifeform: (not necessary, strictly, to speak ru, to appreciate)

03:00:16 decimation: asciilifeform: why with the 'against the nazis'? not exactly a difficult sell

03:00:51 asciilifeform: 'remember, paul, 1940?' 'sure! we were in france! took everything that fit in our hands!' 'ah, i still had hands then!' 'and remember when we ran from stalingrad?' 'ah, i still had legs then!'

03:01:50 trinque: lol

03:02:36 trinque: it is interesting to see that defeating the nazis was such a point of pride even in 85

03:02:47 asciilifeform: is now still.

03:02:50 trinque: pic of the guy wrenching open the swastika jail cell window

03:02:51 asciilifeform: will be in 2050.

03:02:52 trinque: for example

03:02:56 decimation: this reminds me of that 'anti-nazi' article I found in the frankfurter zeitung

03:03:35 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2015#1025516 "nothing feels as good as fighting rightists

03:03:35 assbot: Logged on 20-02-2015 03:02:21; decimation: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kampf-gegen-rechts-ein-volk-von-antifaschisten-13429214.html < "Nichts tut so gut wie das Gefühl, gegen Rechts zu kämpfen."

03:03:38 mircea_popescu: " As such, 5 of the 56 field offices operated by the FBI currently lack a computer scientist assigned to that office's Cyber Task Force."

03:03:39 asciilifeform: trinque: the article on that page concerns a sapper

03:03:40 mircea_popescu: ok, i lolled.

03:03:48 mircea_popescu: wtf is it they do again ?

03:04:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226912

03:04:14 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 02:42:31; asciilifeform: that's still 2x the market rate for a chimp who clicks a mouse to run 'EnCase'

03:04:58 BingoBoingo: <decimation> yes, in general the rednecks don't give a fuck (rightly so) << Not just lack of giving a fuck, lack of need to give a fuck

03:06:11 decimation: BingoBoingo: it's kinda like how the zimbabwaen tribes are now gonna have stories about why white people root for the lions that eat them

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03:06:37 BingoBoingo: decimation: Any decent Rhodesian tribe is going to kill the lion

03:06:52 trinque: asciilifeform: is this one on page 13 with the american flag on a cloud about "yankees think they can own everything" or something?

03:06:57 BingoBoingo: Just they unlike the Dentist will use an AK instead of a bow.

03:07:36 asciilifeform: trinque: caption: 'pardon me, my dear, but you are in a strategically-important area!'

03:07:40 decimation: BingoBoingo: sure, but the problem remains: why are distant strangers on the lion's side?

03:07:48 trinque: asciilifeform: hah, cool

03:07:54 asciilifeform: decimation: because 'cute kitteh'

03:08:11 BingoBoingo: !b 6

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03:08:51 BingoBoingo: decimation: My guess is they melt for giant kitteh forgetting they killed all of their giant fittehs

03:08:55 BingoBoingo: *kittehs

03:08:59 decimation: I suggest anyone who is against lion-hunting: go help guard the lions (without weapons) in their territory. when the lion eats your leg as you sleep, you will know he is doing it with appreciation

03:10:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67250 @ 0.00052451 = 35.2733 BTC [-] {9}

03:10:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226951 << very valid point. where's the actual satire ?

03:10:38 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 02:54:26; decimation: yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb'

03:10:48 asciilifeform: see thread.

03:11:03 mircea_popescu: the malnourished, inept population of the coast towns is so fucking ridiculous it'd be rather easy.

03:12:13 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141372 < ascii perhaps they secretly fantasize about being wounded/killed by the very lions they wish to 'save'

03:12:13 assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 04:09:48; asciilifeform: where believer is invited to picture himself as blind from birth street urchin etc

03:12:20 BingoBoingo: http://www.emirates247.com/offbeat/crazy-world/groom-sues-bride-for-not-looking-pretty-without-make-up-2015-08-03-1.598962

03:12:21 assbot: Groom sues bride for not looking pretty without make-up - Emirates 24|7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4yAgk )

03:12:39 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters cancerous fags

03:12:40 gribble: Trilterviuri on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/trilterviuri/; July 2014 on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/07; Ken Park on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/ken-park

03:12:46 mircea_popescu: dude google's useless.

03:12:49 asciilifeform: decimation: doubt that it's as complicated as all that. probably just straight mental mapping of the lion in the washington zoo, or even in some cartoon, to the real thing

03:13:15 asciilifeform: as pictured in mircea_popescu's old article

03:13:20 asciilifeform: (linked earlier today)

03:14:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is gonna love this one, http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/05/first-ever-latin-america-bitcoin-conference-held-in-buenos-aires

03:14:15 assbot: First-Ever Latin America Bitcoin Conference Held in Buenos Aires - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4yF3D )

03:14:32 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: doubt that it's as complicated as all that. probably just straight mental mapping of the lion in the washington zoo, or even in some cartoon, to the real thing << Last time I went to St Louis zoo they had balding malnourished lions. Surprised local bangers didn't take them as bait for training their pitbulls.

03:14:40 mircea_popescu: lmao

03:15:05 mircea_popescu: first time i hear about this. consequently, i shan't be going.

03:15:12 mircea_popescu: imagine, the retards.

03:15:23 asciilifeform: remember, FIRST!

03:15:28 asciilifeform: EVER!

03:15:29 asciilifeform: l0l

03:15:37 decimation: I was reading another article somewhere - thier point was that if trophy-hunting whites stop coming to hunt lions because of this bullshit, they are not going to keep the wildlife reserves

03:15:45 mircea_popescu: now you know what it feels like to be a cool kid, asciilifeform >D

03:15:56 decimation: thus, farms encroach, tribes kill lion - result: no more lions

03:16:35 asciilifeform: decimation: same place tiger went

03:16:56 asciilifeform: (the animal survives largely in... chinese farms. where their cock meat is harvested, no shit.)

03:16:57 mircea_popescu: "Then the 18 bits of the GA144. Don't be impressed. It is a stupid design error. At the time 18 bits static memory chips where in fashion." << i happen top buy this btw.

03:17:09 mircea_popescu: i was unimpressed reading about it originally, and i stay unimpressed.

03:17:18 asciilifeform: wai wut

03:18:01 asciilifeform: the two extra bitz are for parity, wat

03:18:11 asciilifeform: 1 per bt

03:18:20 asciilifeform: byte

03:18:30 mircea_popescu: yes yes.

03:18:48 decimation: "The only reason I did it was THAT COLORFORTH JUST DIDN'T RUN ON THE THREE MACHINES I HAD AVAILABLE." < my experience too

03:18:51 mircea_popescu: and ALSO, i buy the theory that the principal reason chuck moore is mentioned by name is a successful eight digit settlement iwth intel

03:18:58 mircea_popescu: rather than some sort of technical accomplishment per se.

03:19:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: love him or hate, his toolchain is winblows and x86 - free, from the ore to the register.

03:19:29 asciilifeform: and otherpeoplescode-free

03:19:36 asciilifeform: which to me is alpha and omega.

03:19:42 mircea_popescu: i don't either, really.

03:20:11 asciilifeform: everything in mircea_popescu's room that is eating mains current was CADed under winblowz

03:20:19 decimation: asciilifeform: I thought 'colorforth' was written for winblows

03:20:19 mircea_popescu: but you know, just because you like a girl's tits is no cause to think she's got the worlds best hairdo.

03:20:20 asciilifeform: 100 dollars to doughnuts

03:20:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you lose, i got your own damned rng chips here.

03:20:41 asciilifeform: decimation: afaik is descendant of original (nameless?) that is contemporary with cp/m

03:21:00 BingoBoingo: !b 7

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03:21:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: golden turd runs winblowz

03:21:10 mircea_popescu: cad-ed you sed.

03:21:13 decimation: yeah I guess it runs on 'bare pentium' too

03:21:15 asciilifeform: and, though i do not, the folks who built my machines - did

03:21:20 mircea_popescu: so ?

03:21:25 asciilifeform: so unclean.

03:21:30 mircea_popescu: not the contention.

03:21:37 mircea_popescu: i made 100 bucks today! BETTING!

03:21:57 asciilifeform: also gotta point out that the $redacted analogue ic on the rng was prolly baked in a cn fab

03:22:00 asciilifeform: running guess what.

03:22:32 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i made 100 bucks today! BETTING! On what?

03:22:32 asciilifeform: not saying that this brings in the breath of satan, but in point of fact moore achieved escape from this orbit

03:22:36 decimation: heh apparently chuck moore made a mint suing intel over patent stuff

03:22:37 asciilifeform: by ~himself~

03:22:47 asciilifeform: decimation: aha, and used the money to buy atomic dirigible

03:22:49 asciilifeform: (i.e. fab)

03:22:59 decimation: sure, but doesn't seem to be getting much traction

03:23:02 asciilifeform: precisely what i would do in his position

03:23:12 mircea_popescu: not really realised much of the settlement, from what i gather, but nevertheless, people love to dream.

03:23:16 asciilifeform: decimation: he doesn't give a damn about traction. he built that thing for archaeologists.

03:23:24 asciilifeform: same as i would.

03:23:33 asciilifeform: (i would build different device, yes. but same basic idea)

03:23:41 decimation: yes and in this he appears to have succeeded

03:23:44 asciilifeform: fits-in-fucking-head.

03:24:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the settlement, if indeed there was one and it is not disinfo - went, as always and without exception it does, to the bloodsuckers

03:24:39 asciilifeform: (lawyers)

03:24:46 mircea_popescu: right

03:25:08 asciilifeform: what remained was - apparently - enough to bake some si

03:25:21 decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders what could be done with an 'intel-class' (14 nm) chip which contains 2^20 little 'stack machines'

03:25:23 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: most of the settlement, if indeed there was one and it is not disinfo - went, as always and without exception it does, to the bloodsuckers << This is why if misdemeanor if not dismissed at hearing I intend to fire lawyer.

03:25:24 asciilifeform: though i will add that moore operated for decades as a successful consultant, a la the pdp emulator fella

03:25:40 asciilifeform: plenty of heavy industrial (as in water-in-the-tap, not google et al whores) customers

03:26:18 asciilifeform: decimation: imho this is not the correct application for forth, and moore went profoundly wrong in going that way

03:26:25 asciilifeform: it is for ~simplicity~

03:26:27 asciilifeform: like kalash

03:26:36 asciilifeform: picture 'what could be done' with a kalash with 2^20 barrels, aha.

03:26:44 asciilifeform: defeats the purpose of self existing.

03:26:49 decimation: there does appear to be some problems with his toolchain with 'scaling' to that many cores

03:27:00 asciilifeform: why?

03:27:11 decimation: there's mention of having to write some code 'single threaded' instead of using all the cores on the chip

03:27:16 decimation: for simplicity

03:27:21 asciilifeform: hm

03:27:23 asciilifeform: ask him, not me

03:27:28 *: asciilifeform not aficionado of 'greenarrays'

03:27:37 decimation: I'm merely reinforcing your point

03:28:03 mircea_popescu: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."

03:28:06 asciilifeform: but if anyone presently alive could fab a muller gate fpga, it is probably moore.

03:28:14 mircea_popescu: i'd be veri curious to see a forth implementation of eulora client.

03:28:35 mircea_popescu: what's his "i'm game" mean ?

03:28:43 mircea_popescu: (granted, an 80 yo man, i'm not serving a challenge - merely wondering)

03:29:00 asciilifeform: bad example

03:29:11 asciilifeform: has to interface with megatonnes of c-machine os crud

03:29:27 decimation: asciilifeform: I wish he would have made a slightly-more function version of this thing http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/fpga-j1.html

03:29:29 assbot: The J1 Forth CPU — excamera ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4zb1F )

03:29:29 asciilifeform: (not that one cannot do this, per se, in a forth of some description. but most of the bulk would consist of glue)

03:29:34 asciilifeform: decimation: aha, ditto

03:29:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all i care he can make it work on a forth machine

03:29:50 mircea_popescu: i thought this forth thing works "on its own os" ?

03:29:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he doesn't make gpu

03:29:55 mircea_popescu: !up n6

03:30:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would take text based.

03:30:17 asciilifeform: what means 'text based' for a game with 3d figures ?

03:30:25 mircea_popescu: anything he wishes.

03:30:25 asciilifeform: a la the 'ascii starwars' ?

03:30:31 mircea_popescu: as long as the point is conveyed, it is conveyed.

03:30:36 mircea_popescu: i thought this is what forth is all about ?

03:30:41 mircea_popescu: "give me the specs" the man says. i have.

03:30:48 asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/msdos_ASCII_DOOM_1999

03:30:49 assbot: ASCII DOOM : Free Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4zcCK )

03:30:52 asciilifeform: ^ obligatory

03:31:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all i care he can put it in narrative form on the fly.

03:31:23 mircea_popescu: i would pay to see this. perhaps not "enough". but still.

03:32:14 asciilifeform: i would pay to see eiffel tower made of dead gavins.

03:32:18 asciilifeform: perhaps 'not enough' though

03:32:21 mircea_popescu: looky.

03:32:27 mircea_popescu: at some point the hot talk has to be backed.

03:32:38 mircea_popescu: man wants a challenge, man insists it's lalala-freefoprm and whatnot. fine.

03:32:42 asciilifeform: moore incidentally isn't much of a talker

03:32:43 mircea_popescu: here's the challenge, here's the freeform.

03:32:46 asciilifeform: he... does.

03:32:55 mircea_popescu: i was using direct quotes.

03:33:00 decimation: "you find yourself in a maze of twist passages, all the same"

03:33:23 asciilifeform: his factory runs, churns out his iron, designed on his iron, runs his soft, that he wrote.

03:33:32 asciilifeform: ask him if he has regrets as he dies, or not.

03:33:36 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> man wants a challenge, man insists it's lalala-freefoprm and whatnot. fine. << 1830's were worst decade in US for this reason. Mississippi River sandbars used to be ideal for this purpose. Then state lines drawn in water.

03:33:37 mircea_popescu: if this forth thing is so great, a program to interact with eulora server and convey the results to a human should be make-able.

03:33:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha

03:34:01 mircea_popescu: if it isn't, something's fundamentally broken in the entire "forth anything" claims.

03:34:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good exercise for someone who isn't me

03:34:06 decimation: sure, it could be done

03:34:14 mircea_popescu: and yes, i would ghuess the whole pile as it stands atm is just about 1mn loc

03:34:17 *: asciilifeform feels distinct sense of being led into perdition

03:34:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not you in any case.

03:34:27 asciilifeform: plz not me

03:34:30 asciilifeform: but studentz!

03:34:30 mircea_popescu: deffo.

03:34:31 decimation: right now the only folks who 'can do' have 1 mn loc C++ shit driving a massive complex custom chip

03:34:33 mircea_popescu: anyone but you.

03:34:33 n6: The bot is giving me a otp for a subkey 3594E367, that I can't decrypt but its telling me Key 05D01131 is what its sending me im at a loss for how to fix this can anyone help?

03:34:34 asciilifeform: wake up students.

03:34:56 mircea_popescu: !gettrust n6

03:34:59 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=n6 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/n6/

03:35:27 mircea_popescu: is your key 08D9FFEA07653167CF49191B977815A105D01131 ?

03:35:28 BingoBoingo: https://41.media.tumblr.com/6b4da6eebc5ba255323dd7618c83b902/tumblr_nskrtmg5JC1sre2w4o1_540.jpg

03:35:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOt30H )

03:35:40 n6: yes.

03:35:48 mircea_popescu: do a ! command

03:35:56 mircea_popescu: like !rate mircea_popescu 1 or something

03:36:02 mircea_popescu: so we see what it tells you

03:36:10 n6: !rate mircea_popescu 1 nice blog

03:36:10 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7994cda8f311fc95

03:36:54 mircea_popescu: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 3594E367

03:36:57 mircea_popescu: weird.

03:37:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla any idea ?

03:37:15 n6: Would revoking the key fix this?

03:37:19 BingoBoingo: No

03:37:25 mircea_popescu: no, don't do that.

03:37:39 n6: But its a subkey of the 05D01131

03:38:18 mircea_popescu: uh

03:38:24 BingoBoingo: Seriously needs to go to ButtFuckyag mines https://41.media.tumblr.com/6b4da6eebc5ba255323dd7618c83b902/tumblr_nskrtmg5JC1sre2w4o1_540.jpg

03:38:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOt30H )

03:38:25 mircea_popescu: so then why can't you decrypot wioth it ?

03:38:52 n6: I'm not sure says no prviate key, but I thought this was an encrypt only key? at a loss

03:39:10 asciilifeform: encrypt-only key?!!!

03:39:16 asciilifeform: aka 'someone else's pubkey' ?

03:39:57 mircea_popescu: wtf is an encrypt only key

03:40:01 mircea_popescu: you mean sign only ?

03:40:08 n6: yes.

03:40:11 n6: I have the private key for the main ID 05D01131 but not 3594E367

03:40:37 mircea_popescu: how did you end up with a pubkey-only key ?!

03:40:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00053096 = 21.2119 BTC [+] {3}

03:40:54 mircea_popescu: and whyt do you imagien you can revoke a key if you don't have its privkey

03:41:21 n6: I'm not sure.

03:41:42 asciilifeform: calling mr babbage!

03:41:52 decimation: lulz

03:42:04 asciilifeform: '...I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'

03:42:45 mircea_popescu: n6 so do you know how it ended up there then ?

03:43:14 n6: No.

03:43:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4738 @ 0.0005438 = 2.5765 BTC [+]

03:44:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose one day sks servers list a random key for you too ?

03:44:16 BingoBoingo: Fuck I am not drunk enough for this shit.

03:44:52 mircea_popescu: anyway i think assbot should always use the main not some random subkey

03:45:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i entirely expect they will

03:45:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and you, and you

03:45:26 mircea_popescu: well so then.

03:45:35 n6: Where do I go from here?

03:45:50 mircea_popescu: n6 gotta wait for kako to come on and see wtf.

03:45:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00053158 = 23.7616 BTC [-] {6}

03:46:00 mircea_popescu: but needless to say this is not a normal state for your key.

03:46:34 BingoBoingo: Can't even pretend to ISIS http://www.wsmv.com/story/29717483/active-shooter-reported-at-antioch-theater

03:46:34 assbot: Police: Suspect reported dead at Nashville area theater - WSMV Channel 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOtOqA )

03:46:59 trinque: airsoft gun lol

03:47:05 trinque: "you'll shoot your eye out!"

03:47:33 decimation: how is it possible for someone else to add a subkey? isn't it signed by the main key?

03:48:37 n6: Should have been more careful with my keys this seems like user error on my end rather then somehting wrong with the bot. Why can't I just revoke the subkey with the sec key from the main key?

03:49:12 decimation: because the sks server will keep your revoked key forever

03:49:23 decimation: I'm not sure which one assbot will pick to auth

03:50:05 asciilifeform: 'The Global Mall, which is located next to the theater, was placed on lock down during the active shooter situation. The Ford Ice Center was also placed on lock down and remained closed for the rest of the day.'

03:50:15 asciilifeform: ^ 'lockdown' is originally an american prison term

03:50:33 asciilifeform: and means precisely same thing

03:50:33 decimation: heh yeah that's a good point

03:50:48 decimation: the media often uses phrases like that

03:50:55 asciilifeform: not a mediatron phrase

03:50:58 decimation: wtf does it mean to have a mall on 'lockdown'?

03:51:06 decimation: like, don't leave so you can be shot too?

03:51:07 asciilifeform: actually used in Official communications

03:51:11 asciilifeform: aha, precisely

03:51:13 trinque: probably shutting all the gates for the stores

03:51:14 asciilifeform: nobody in, nobody out.

03:51:19 asciilifeform: ~nobody out~

03:51:43 asciilifeform: btw this is also done when a lizard (or lizard fellator) is passing through town

03:51:44 trinque: we had "lockdown" in my shitty Florida middle school

03:51:47 asciilifeform: e.g., restaurants in dc

03:51:54 trinque: for brawls, weapon situations, etc

03:52:03 asciilifeform: won't let patrons in ~or out~ when bushamamobile

03:52:09 asciilifeform: or when cheney/biden is eating

03:52:13 asciilifeform: across the street

03:52:26 trinque: as a child with books in his home I remember being quite surprised that this was a thing

03:52:40 asciilifeform: which this

03:53:00 trinque: being bussed to a school full of black kids eating each other, more or less

03:53:03 asciilifeform: ah

03:53:09 asciilifeform: been in one too

03:53:12 decimation: as a kid in the early 90's I don't remember this being a thing

03:53:17 decimation: lockdowns

03:53:22 asciilifeform: no lockdowns though

03:53:24 trinque: depends on the gang situation in your town

03:53:32 asciilifeform: these were introduced after the columbine incident

03:53:51 trinque: orcs at this school were fully grown in terms of their fucking, fighting and stealing capacity

03:53:53 asciilifeform: i did attend a school which as a result of the latter forbade... backpacks.

03:54:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00055892 = 20.68 BTC [+]

03:55:20 asciilifeform: http://www.wsmv.com/story/29714858/backfire-or-gunfire-authorities-continue-to-piece-together-investigation << linked from same birdcage liner as earlier

03:55:21 assbot: Backfire or Gunfire? Authorities continue to piece together inve - WSMV Channel 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOuBrJ )

03:55:23 asciilifeform: likewise lulzy

03:55:45 asciilifeform: 'The investigation is ongoing and there is no confirmation as to whether the incident involved was a shooting at all.'

03:55:51 asciilifeform: ^^^ ! ^^^

03:55:53 decimation: actually why should it be surprising in schools? same wards of the state as the gulag

03:56:24 asciilifeform: it isn't surprising. school and prison similarity is a painfully well-documented thing.

03:56:32 asciilifeform: (see john gatto etc.)

03:57:47 trinque: asciilifeform: the highschool in my hometown was designed by a prison architect

03:57:57 trinque: (I went to another due to a magnet program)

03:58:06 trinque: but the thing was intended to have "no corners to hide in"

03:58:15 asciilifeform: sop

03:59:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54783 @ 0.00055892 = 30.6193 BTC [+]

03:59:30 trinque: at any rate, I never suffered under the delusion that the folks around me were any measure of sane

03:59:36 *: trinque bbl

04:01:15 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja know that apple made antigravity device !!??!! >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Weight-Saving-Device-for-PowerBook-G3-Lombard-Used-/361350765848?hash=item54222f1d18 <<

04:01:17 assbot: Apple Weight Saving Device for PowerBook G3 "Lombard" Used | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOvaBC )

04:01:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I had no idea

04:01:46 asciilifeform: http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQwMFgxMzM0/z/JzIAAOSwfcVUE2~c/$_57.JPG

04:01:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOvccP )

04:02:05 asciilifeform: why was this discontinued ?!

04:02:07 asciilifeform: i want ten!

04:04:38 decimation: lolz. I assume it's a 'blank spot' for you cd drive maybe?

04:04:44 asciilifeform: prolly

04:04:48 asciilifeform: but great name!

04:05:31 decimation: asciilifeform: are you gonna sell your smbx stuff for $$$

04:05:37 asciilifeform: sure

04:05:47 asciilifeform: but it can't be shipped.

04:05:57 asciilifeform: so can only be sold if somebody wants to come for it.

04:06:24 asciilifeform: (or, with reasonable premium, i would deliver)

04:06:44 asciilifeform: can't even guarantee that it'd survive a car ride

04:06:59 asciilifeform: (i did have to reseat the boards when took it home)

04:07:32 asciilifeform: if shipped, thing would have to be transported like a ming vase

04:07:39 asciilifeform: can't imagine anyone wants to pay for this.

04:07:44 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aha, precisely << When /me worked in mall was in Kiosk sitting in firezone

04:08:15 decimation: asciilifeform: maybe sell as a collection of parts

04:08:16 mircea_popescu: i've never been in one of these "lockdown" bullshit things

04:08:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41652 @ 0.00051752 = 21.5557 BTC [-] {2}

04:08:20 mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure i'd just ignore it

04:08:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a usaschwitz term

04:08:32 decimation: yeah me too. not gonna do what mall cop wants

04:08:40 mircea_popescu: good for 'em, but whatevs.

04:08:56 mircea_popescu: i remember learning with some amusement about the kindergarten games usians play in airports

04:08:59 mircea_popescu: FREEZE!!11

04:09:00 mircea_popescu: hurr

04:09:12 mircea_popescu: mentally stunded population already.

04:09:24 asciilifeform: also make sure to ignore grizzly bears in alaska

04:09:42 asciilifeform: and alligators in florida

04:10:36 asciilifeform: (when they shoot a white fella it's generally 5th-10th page newz, as linked earlier)

04:10:59 mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to come with a regiment.

04:11:05 asciilifeform: now we're talkin'.

04:11:22 asciilifeform: personally i wouldn't waste so much as one private on the place. glass it.

04:11:38 asciilifeform: then glass over the surviving cockroaches.

04:11:40 decimation: I've read some tidbits about what happens when vip crossed boarder on private jet

04:11:48 mircea_popescu: so far ignoring it worked pretty well. us, zimbabwe and other places that exist for illustrative purposes only.

04:12:01 decimation: apparently there are special teams of usg employees for 'processing' such important folks

04:12:39 asciilifeform: decimation: idk, i bought a 100 usd piece of paper and was 'processed' by a vending machine that printed 'get out of customs now' pass.

04:12:50 asciilifeform: no vip jet or anything

04:13:08 BingoBoingo: Typical USian lockdown trigger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-1ZLpDISLQ

04:13:10 assbot: Lil Debbie - LET'S GET HIGH - Official Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4AJsh )

04:13:43 asciilifeform: out of flying cattle car and to the street in ~10 min.

04:14:25 asciilifeform: !up n6

04:14:27 *: BingoBoingo just had the most amazing sandwich. Tomatoes slices and bread

04:14:27 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:15:05 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah supposedly the machines are replacing people on us border points

04:15:19 asciilifeform: decimation: only for paying folks

04:15:32 decimation: oh you did the 'global entry' thing?

04:15:38 asciilifeform: preeeeemium no-raep lanez

04:15:39 asciilifeform: aha

04:15:54 decimation: heh yeah. I would consider it if I were to travel abroad

04:16:02 asciilifeform: worth every penny

04:16:14 decimation: supposedly it parlays into less tsa harassment on domestic flights too

04:16:17 asciilifeform: even if you go only once

04:17:20 gernika: +1 Global Entry

04:17:40 BingoBoingo: Why not just RAEP back?

04:17:48 gernika: Good stuff. Claimed it might work in australia - but didn't.

04:17:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bring regiment, raep, raep.

04:18:02 *: BingoBoingo has never touched a haram aeroplane

04:18:03 decimation: australia is famously nazi at their border

04:18:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Platoon, Company not enough?

04:18:53 asciilifeform: company with 'sadm' might, sure.

04:18:56 asciilifeform: dispersed.

04:20:13 *: BingoBoingo not sure who even uses regiments anymore. Thought replaced by "Divisions"

04:20:17 asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20140302041146/http://www.stripes.com/news/us/when-elite-us-forces-strapped-nukes-to-their-backs-1.266168 << them

04:20:20 assbot: When elite US forces strapped nukes to their backs - U.S. - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4AXjk )

04:21:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24120 @ 0.00055892 = 13.4812 BTC [+] {2}

04:21:39 BingoBoingo: Ah, when I was a puppy I was told that was called "Chicken and Waffles"

04:22:54 BingoBoingo: !up Michail1

04:23:15 Michail1: ?

04:23:42 decimation: what brings you here?

04:23:51 asciilifeform: 'The Army's countermobility field manual taught soldiers to use ADMs for "stream cratering," in which atomic explosions near small waterways would "form a temporary dam, create a lake, cause overbank flooding, and produce an effective water obstacle" for enemy forces.'

04:24:21 decimation: not a bad idea

04:24:22 BingoBoingo: Michail1: You showed up, know you've been around. Voiced you because bored.

04:24:31 Michail1: ah

04:24:45 mircea_popescu: sounds retarded really.

04:24:50 Michail1: Think I have been here a long ass time, only for logging though.

04:24:52 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But who wears the pack?

04:24:56 mircea_popescu: what a fucking nightmare, a "countermobility" unit that drops random nukes

04:25:38 decimation: mircea_popescu: why not? gotta stop the tanks somehow?

04:25:57 mircea_popescu: heh.

04:26:05 mircea_popescu: the only thing that'll do is increase your casualties.

04:26:26 asciilifeform: 'But when Green Light team member Ken Richter began interviewing potential candidates, he said, not everyone was as enthusiastic: "I had a lot of people that I interviewed for our team. Once they found out what the mission was, they said, 'No, thanks. I'd rather go back to Vietnam.' "'

04:26:42 decimation: it's not a particularly large bomb as nukes go

04:26:57 decimation: but it still might trigger the 'ok let's start tossing nukes' scenario

04:27:05 BingoBoingo: decimation: Few nukes are that big

04:27:34 mircea_popescu: decimation that's not the idea. the idea is... so tanks go around, now you're stuck with some units caught between a crater fgulla radioactive water and enemy spear units

04:27:45 mircea_popescu: without food or any possibility of being supported.

04:27:53 asciilifeform: 'In addition, the two-man rule, which to this day dictates that no individual service member have the ability to arm a nuclear weapon, demanded that Green Light teams divide the code that unlocked the cover plate. But that could present a challenge if the wrong man got killed en route to the target. "Here you were with this hunk of sh-- in your bag and no good place to go," Flavin said. "So we said, 'Eh, I don't think we can a

04:27:53 asciilifeform: llow that to happen,'" and his men agreed to share the code in the event of a real mission.' << l0lz

04:28:21 BingoBoingo: Backpack nuke is referred to as Chicken and Waffles because dark meat makes dents in the world

04:28:33 decimation: mircea_popescu: I assume this would all happen well into enemy territory

04:28:49 decimation: by men who have a pretty good hint that they ain't coming home

04:28:49 mircea_popescu: decimation even worse holy shit.

04:29:08 mircea_popescu: imagine if the week after wehrmacht broke its cock in stalingrad

04:29:15 mircea_popescu: someone dropped a bunch of nukes around

04:29:43 asciilifeform: not certain the place would have looked much different..

04:29:58 mircea_popescu: and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense.

04:29:58 decimation: sounds like an effective way to cover a retreat

04:30:09 mircea_popescu: if you've never retreated, maybe.

04:30:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one thing these are definitely known to have been used for is burial (connected to phone lines, yes!) at useful places in west germany: dams, power stations, factories

04:30:42 decimation: not every army turns into random mob

04:30:53 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the us got beaten to shit about 5000 times since ww2, or roughly speaking "in every engagement to date".

04:30:56 mircea_popescu: this was never deployed

04:31:03 mircea_popescu: i guess they're not all idiots up at staff office.

04:31:06 decimation: because too pussy

04:31:13 mircea_popescu: mno.

04:31:15 asciilifeform: the live chickens (yes) variant, not deployed

04:31:20 asciilifeform: the solid state - deployed

04:31:34 mircea_popescu: demolition ?

04:31:39 asciilifeform: unless rezun lovingly fabricated the very elaborate description of the thing in his autobio

04:31:58 asciilifeform: (described su intel knowing precisely where they were)

04:32:03 asciilifeform: demolition.

04:32:09 mircea_popescu: aha. diff story.

04:32:15 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense. << That sort of precision seems to demand people's backs

04:32:24 asciilifeform: like the bridges, all over europe, with trotyl in the pylons permanently

04:32:30 asciilifeform: to this day.

04:33:03 mircea_popescu: notably, these aren't carried by a grunt.

04:33:07 asciilifeform: aha

04:33:12 decimation: no, specially trained volunteers

04:33:12 asciilifeform: the manhole nukes weren't either

04:33:17 asciilifeform: but same part #.

04:33:26 asciilifeform: (quite a few were made)

04:33:59 asciilifeform: having live men carry these things about was a fashion on both sides of the ocean

04:34:26 mircea_popescu: because movies.

04:34:30 asciilifeform: (for all i know, still is)

04:35:53 asciilifeform: 'Probably to make the weapon resistant to electromagnetic pulses from any nearby nuclear explosions, as one might expect at the outset of war with the Soviets, the AEC had fashioned the SADM largely devoid of electronics. Instead, the device relied on two mechanical timers that, unfortunately, became less accurate the longer they were set for, potentially going off as early as eight minutes ahead of schedule or as many as 13 b

04:35:53 asciilifeform: ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.'

04:35:56 asciilifeform: ^ pure gold

04:36:11 decimation: lol

04:36:13 asciilifeform: did americans never invent 'chemical pencil' ??!!!

04:36:23 asciilifeform: sop in all civilized nations in 1930s, i thought

04:36:28 decimation: I thought the british gave that to tom cruise

04:36:53 decimation: asciilifeform: maybe an issue with shelf life of acid?

04:36:59 asciilifeform: what shelf life.

04:37:05 asciilifeform: acid in glass lives forever

04:37:10 decimation: I guess it is in a sealed bottle

04:37:12 mircea_popescu: not so.

04:37:14 asciilifeform: ampoule.

04:37:40 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.' << Guess the gold/brass ratio in the spring

04:38:03 asciilifeform: sounds like my washing machine.

04:38:16 asciilifeform: wouldn't be surprised if it is the same part.

04:39:00 BingoBoingo: It prolly is. Laudered from "Boing" by GE

04:39:10 asciilifeform: vice versa

04:39:52 BingoBoingo: Nah

04:40:14 asciilifeform: '"There were real issues with the operational wisdom of the program, and those who were to conduct the mission were sure that whomever thought this up was using bad hemp."'

04:40:15 BingoBoingo: If otherwise Laundered from Boeing by Maytag

04:41:06 n6: How can I get the requirments for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 installed on gentoo?

04:41:06 assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: << instructions at top

04:41:14 BingoBoingo: "The Marrakesh Express has arrived!" Best way to open a game of "dopewars"

04:41:55 asciilifeform: n6: 'emerge'

04:43:14 decimation: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-undead-sopa-is-hiding-inside-an-extremely-boring-case-about-invisible-braces < "Bizarrely, no physical goods came over the US border in this case. Rather, the digital file was transported over the internet. Last year, the ITC determined that it had the legal authority, under a tariff law from 1930, to stop the transmission of infringing digital files. "

04:43:15 assbot: An Undead SOPA Is Hiding Inside an Extremely Boring Case About Invisible Braces | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BJfX )

04:43:25 decimation: "The ITC has the power to issue an “exclusion order” that directs US Customs and Border Protection to seize the goods. It also has a cease-and-desist power that can be directed at third parties. Violating the cease and desist order can result in a penalty of “$100,000 or twice the domestic value of the articles,” whichever is greater. "

04:44:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al ^ qntra ?

04:44:16 n6: asciilifeform: I tried that but my lack of understanding prevented me from getting it working. went the docs still coulnd't get anywhere.

04:44:32 asciilifeform: n6: might wanna speak to trinque when he wakes up

04:44:50 trinque: I'm back

04:44:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Something will likely appear this week. Moar noise on this frequency than just the braces.

04:44:54 *: trinque catches up

04:44:58 trinque: !up n6

04:45:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll see if I can get dentist borther to chime in on the braces, but low hopes for that.

04:45:48 trinque: n6: you can find the deps with emerge --search if they're in portage

04:46:06 trinque: python stuff you may need to easy_install or pip install them

04:46:16 asciilifeform: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-must-pay-russia-490-million-because-congress-wont-fund-trips-to-space << lulz

04:46:17 assbot: NASA Must Pay Russia $490 Million Because Congress Won't Fund Trips to Space | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BOjV )

04:46:57 trinque: n6: also if you don't mind me asking, how'd you get gentoo installed without wielding emerge?

04:46:59 decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo

04:47:08 decimation: which I think you suggested awhile ago

04:47:14 asciilifeform: decimation: see the thread with mircea_popescu

04:47:27 decimation: I don't think you could fix 'as-is' without heavily fragmenting memory

04:47:40 decimation: apparently most C++ programs don't even release the memory back to the os

04:47:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1222794 << that one

04:47:45 assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 00:46:00; mircea_popescu: dPriority /= ::GetSerializeSize(tx, SER_NETWORK);

04:47:47 n6: I used AWS on ben_vulpes's recommendation, after failing to get it working on OS X

04:47:54 decimation: so the only real solution is: don't allocate in the first place

04:48:15 asciilifeform: in related nyooz,

04:48:19 asciilifeform: dulap ~still~ blackholes

04:48:25 asciilifeform: blackholed.

04:49:08 trinque: n6: ah ok

04:49:15 trinque: that's more or less cheating at gentoo

04:49:30 trinque: which is to say you've been dropped into a spaceship already in flight

04:49:45 decimation: asciilifeform: that thread doesn't state specifically, but I assume you are thinking the same (fixed buffer?)

04:49:50 asciilifeform: aha

04:49:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00056234 = 6.1295 BTC [+] {2}

04:50:10 trinque: n6: mod6's guide would take you through a process which will familiarize you with several of the most-used knobs and switches

04:50:23 BingoBoingo: decimation: Solution is less thalidomide to malloc() mother during pregnancy

04:50:25 n6: trinque: Could you give me a link please?

04:51:03 trinque: !s gentoo-stage3

04:51:04 assbot: 2 results for 'gentoo-stage3' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gentoo-stage3

04:51:44 decimation: asciilifeform: I know mircea would like to push it off, but really I don't see a solution to the memory problem without devising some kind of priority mechanism for txns

04:51:44 trinque: n6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-07-2015#1207756

04:51:44 assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 15:20:21; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt && http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt

04:52:04 trinque: n6: my recommendation for a newb is to go with the first one.

04:52:16 n6: trinque: thanks I'm going to read this and try again. first one is dead?

04:52:17 BingoBoingo: decimation: "exists"

04:52:27 trinque: n6: link works for me

04:52:48 trinque: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt << this one

04:52:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXqHAl )

04:53:12 decimation: BingoBoingo: needs more than miner fee, ideally some kind of 'bolt-on' mechanism for 'paying for a spot in the tx queue'

04:53:26 n6: trinque: thanks let me read this, and try again.

04:53:30 asciilifeform: decimation: mircea_popescu's idea was to have it be precisely by miner fee

04:53:30 BingoBoingo: decimation: Sure "exists"

04:53:40 asciilifeform: and miners pay to access the cream of tx cache

04:53:41 trinque: n6: bon voyage

04:54:03 decimation: asciilifeform: it is now. earlier when I brought this up he (and jurov) said that it should be decided out-of-band with node owners

04:54:19 asciilifeform: well yes, they pay out of band

04:54:31 asciilifeform: ('in-band' doesn't really feature an explicit provision for this kind of dealing)

04:55:00 decimation: yes but I mean the fees would be collected directly by the node-owner, not paid via miner

04:55:15 asciilifeform: nope

04:55:29 asciilifeform: miner pays to access the top of the sorted mempool

04:55:38 asciilifeform: (the most lucrative-per-byte tx-en)

04:55:49 asciilifeform: how he pays, was not yet determined afaik

04:56:49 punkman: I don't see many scenarios where miner can't find nice transactions on his own

04:57:17 decimation: well, that was what made sense to me originally too, but then there was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206573

04:57:17 assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:14:16; jurov: it's not hard for every node to advertise addy for caching fees

04:57:18 asciilifeform: i can find 'nice' food on the forest floor.

04:57:22 asciilifeform: or i can go to a store.

04:58:42 decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem the most 'rational' for the miners to pay for access to the best nodes

04:58:49 asciilifeform: aha

04:59:00 asciilifeform: then again, it would also be rational for them not to fucktardedly 'spv'

04:59:04 decimation: as opposed to the users to pay the nodes for services of questionable value (if it transmits, why care?)

04:59:04 asciilifeform: yet they do.

04:59:21 asciilifeform: likewise, for 99% of them it would be rational to never mine at all

04:59:26 asciilifeform: never even to consider it

04:59:28 decimation: asciilifeform: well, they might not 'spv' if they had a node network from which they could draw juicy fees

04:59:57 decimation: asciilifeform: maybe they use stolen bunker oil in nigera to power jungle mining farm

05:00:08 asciilifeform: mining as we know it does not exactly select for folks who rationally weigh roi

05:00:39 BingoBoingo: Guzzoline! Witness!!!

05:00:41 decimation: not unless they can also sell mining equipment, not

05:01:38 decimation: but I still think this is true: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206571

05:01:38 assbot: Logged on 19-07-2015 20:13:10; decimation: yes, but you would agree that building such a network with an eye toward minimizingn latency everywhere would be expensive

05:01:58 decimation: it's not gonna be 'free' to build good node caching network, gotta pay $$$ for access to mining 'input hole'

05:02:04 decimation: wherever that might be

05:02:23 asciilifeform: wai wat

05:02:42 decimation: asciilifeform: say you have the 'fee maximizing' software written

05:02:56 decimation: someone else takes it and runs on a network with less latency than yours

05:03:00 decimation: miners don't pay you anymore

05:03:01 asciilifeform: at a certain point, the only real use of mining will be collect tx fees

05:03:37 asciilifeform: decimation: how much would you personally pay to shave a millisecond of latency ?

05:03:43 asciilifeform: diminishing returns

05:03:57 decimation: true, and it has to be balanced against the size of the 'fee haul'

05:04:10 asciilifeform: don't forget the other variable:

05:04:17 asciilifeform: sanity.

05:04:30 decimation: I suppose this aspect of bitcoin too seems to be inevitably centralized/carteled

05:04:33 asciilifeform: as in, 'this pool is a millisecond faster but runs gavinized soup'

05:04:41 decimation: sure.

05:04:56 asciilifeform: 'this one takes ten minutes per but is run by a fella i know alive'

05:05:24 asciilifeform: the folks who pick the former over the latter - get darwined, like the spv morons are now in the process of;

05:05:26 asciilifeform: good riddance.

05:05:33 decimation: aye.

05:05:49 asciilifeform: granted, this could take a while.

05:06:17 *: decimation waiting for the "ITC" to issue a "general warrant" for bitcoin packets crossing us border

05:06:53 BingoBoingo: Lord Humungus sets the terms

05:15:13 BingoBoingo: Man Australia is fucked up

05:19:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146950 @ 0.00056235 = 82.6373 BTC [+]

05:25:35 BingoBoingo: The Humungus rules the Wasteland

05:41:17 BingoBoingo: And nobody rocks the cock like Krista Now

05:41:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30002 @ 0.00056595 = 16.9796 BTC [+] {7}

05:46:09 punkman: BingoBoingo: here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYB0lzoofc

05:46:10 assbot: Southland Tales - funny car commercial - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OSosuJ )

05:46:25 BingoBoingo: lol

05:46:56 BingoBoingo: Cars fuckign cars, cats and dogs getting along. Drepper really did beat Linus on Glibc didn't he.

05:49:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31899 @ 0.00056762 = 18.1065 BTC [+]

05:50:38 BingoBoingo: Entire English language RPG genre though, based on a shit Aussie flick

05:53:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00056762 = 8.6846 BTC [+]

06:08:25 punkman: !up SamouraiWallet

06:28:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00056762 = 16.0636 BTC [+]

06:31:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51609 @ 0.00056807 = 29.3175 BTC [+] {4}

06:40:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00055582 = 9.2822 BTC [-]

07:04:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00055582 = 8.8097 BTC [-]

07:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149994 @ 0.00056993 = 85.4861 BTC [+] {5}

07:42:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23859 @ 0.00057005 = 13.6008 BTC [+]

07:54:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10461 @ 0.00055582 = 5.8144 BTC [-]

07:56:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00055087 = 13.7718 BTC [-]

08:03:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00055087 = 3.3052 BTC [-]

08:10:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00055087 = 7.9055 BTC [-]

08:22:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.0005702 = 30.9619 BTC [+] {4}

08:31:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00056691 = 7.5399 BTC [-]

08:52:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54207 @ 0.00056363 = 30.5527 BTC [-] {3}

08:58:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36279 @ 0.0005534 = 20.0768 BTC [-]

09:01:46 Adlai: trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source?

09:06:08 Adlai: !s verifying deeds

09:06:14 assbot: 1 results for 'verifying deeds' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=verifying+deeds

09:09:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00057082 = 17.5242 BTC [+] {3}

09:26:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00055531 = 19.7968 BTC [-] {3}

09:39:48 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226593 <<< i dunno about you guys but when i was a renter, i had a commando 450 i would use to replace the water saving shower head at every single place i let and would reaffix it at the end of the lease

09:39:48 assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 22:39:05; ascii_field: 'Welcome to regulated America, where once fabulous consumer inventions like refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, and dishwashers have been reduced to a barely functioning state. The reasons are always the same: 1) phosphorous-free detergent, 2) a fetish with saving water, 3) weaker motors that use less electricity, 4) more tepid water due to low default settings on hot water heaters, and 5) reduce

09:40:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58080 @ 0.00057114 = 33.1718 BTC [+]

10:03:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00057118 = 33.4426 BTC [+] {3}

10:19:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00057206 = 20.1234 BTC [+] {2}

10:28:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34869 @ 0.00057383 = 20.0089 BTC [+] {2}

10:40:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47699 @ 0.00055922 = 26.6742 BTC [-]

10:44:23 kakobrekla: ;;isup fraudsters.com

10:44:27 gribble: fraudsters.com is down

10:46:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00055416 = 3.1587 BTC [-]

10:56:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00056301 = 18.4104 BTC [+] {3}

11:10:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58674 @ 0.00055339 = 32.4696 BTC [-] {3}

11:11:18 Adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1JRE9WM

11:11:20 assbot: dpaste: 1JRE9WM ... ( http://bit.ly/1hl0Iov )

11:11:20 deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.

11:17:09 kakobrekla: i think you need raw

11:17:28 kakobrekla: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1JRE9WM.txt

11:17:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hl1qCb )

11:17:30 deedbot-: accepted: 1

11:24:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00054966 = 5.3867 BTC [-] {2}

12:03:03 Adlai: ty kakobrekla

12:06:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00054966 = 7.8601 BTC [-]

12:08:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58500 @ 0.00054914 = 32.1247 BTC [-] {3}

12:09:06 shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/tokyo-court-bitcoin-not-subject-to-ownership-2/?utm_content=bufferf2fe9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

12:09:07 assbot: Tokyo Court: Bitcoin Not Subject to Ownership ... ( http://bit.ly/1eUYOco )

12:11:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00054839 = 11.242 BTC [-]

12:27:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97250 @ 0.00054551 = 53.0508 BTC [-] {7}

12:32:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2102 @ 0.00055337 = 1.1632 BTC [+] {2}

12:33:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36798 @ 0.00056173 = 20.6705 BTC [+]

12:45:41 shinohai: ;;ticker

12:45:42 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 279.43, Best ask: 279.44, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 279.44, 24 hour volume: 10200.05712033, 24 hour low: 278.64, 24 hour high: 284.11, 24 hour vwap: None

12:48:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227427 << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now"

12:48:11 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:16; asciilifeform: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-must-pay-russia-490-million-because-congress-wont-fund-trips-to-space << lulz

12:48:15 mircea_popescu: i wonder why that is.

12:48:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00056173 = 25.8958 BTC [+]

12:48:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227430 << you are both very late to this party and also who are you again ?

12:48:56 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:59; decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo

12:49:13 mircea_popescu: i'd like to know who people that discuss what i would like or wouldn't like are. so lemme know.

12:58:28 asciilifeform: wai wut

12:59:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he was talking about the failure-to-deallocate thing. (and slept through the threads where the hypothetical structure of a sane mempool was discussed

12:59:36 asciilifeform: )

13:01:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and iirc he's this dour german engineer fella stuck in northeast usa somewhere.

13:02:10 asciilifeform: in other nyooz, dulap ~STILL~ blackholed

13:02:23 asciilifeform: 'getinfo' from 24 hours ago, ~still~ hanging.

13:03:20 asciilifeform: zoolag and incitatus at 368648, 52 and 33 connections respectively, functioning normally.

13:04:41 shinohai: Someone dislikes you asciilifeform

13:05:51 asciilifeform: http://bitcoinist.net/going-soft-porn-officially-banned-india << poor indiancandy

13:05:52 assbot: Going Soft: Porn Officially Banned in India - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ecPV )

13:07:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.0005413 = 17.5381 BTC [-]

13:09:48 asciilifeform: shinohai: 'someone' is supplying a valuable massage service

13:10:18 shinohai: Be like water.

13:18:44 asciilifeform: trying connection lastseen=-40.8hrs lasttry=-20.6hrs

13:18:44 asciilifeform: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused

13:18:44 asciilifeform: trying connection lastseen=-44.0hrs lasttry=-22.6hrs

13:18:44 asciilifeform: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused

13:18:44 asciilifeform: trying connection lastseen=-41.2hrs lasttry=-20.3hrs

13:18:45 asciilifeform: connect() failed after select(): No route to host

13:18:53 asciilifeform: ^ zombie world

13:19:53 asciilifeform: i often wonder, any reason not to banhammer folks who won't accept connectback at 8333? if you wanna speak, get out from behind that nat, and be a full node ?

13:20:04 asciilifeform: or else why talking

13:20:40 asciilifeform: everywhere these remoras, who want to play without playing

13:23:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd prefer this in the form of "running X bit of b-a infrastructure". otherwise...

13:23:43 asciilifeform: wai wat

13:24:05 *: asciilifeform confused

13:24:06 mircea_popescu: re above thread. and re nat thread, traditionally it's been regarded as "good for bitcoin" to allow consumer folk connect ot the network.

13:24:24 asciilifeform: i formerly thought this, also

13:24:36 asciilifeform: now - not certain

13:25:09 mircea_popescu: i really don't have a strong opinion on it, but i am pretty certain it's not them making you unreachable.

13:25:20 *: asciilifeform trying to restart node on dulap, bitcoin won't even eat SIGTERM

13:25:26 mircea_popescu: kill -9

13:26:00 mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving aside the ever present possibility of extremely obscure bug resulting from our changes, it'd be a backbone issue.

13:26:03 asciilifeform: could mean a leprosied blockchain and two day-long outage

13:26:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didntcha have the same issue on own node ?

13:26:31 mircea_popescu: yes.

13:26:33 asciilifeform: (of own creation)

13:26:52 mircea_popescu: this doesn't preclude the foregoing.

13:27:38 asciilifeform: i have a working hypothesis concerning something other than leprous backbone, but it needs moar test

13:28:04 asciilifeform: (suspect that phoundation 0.10+ misbehaves vis a vis 'classic' nodes)

13:28:13 mircea_popescu: anyway. the general philosophy of teh interwebs was you know, fault tolerance since day i. "just stand up more nodes" is how one could summarize the internets.

13:30:18 mircea_popescu: Аккаунт

13:30:22 mircea_popescu: dude russian's hysterical.

13:30:25 asciilifeform: l0l

13:30:34 asciilifeform: that's a new one.

13:30:49 mircea_popescu: it's just...

13:31:05 mircea_popescu: the battle dwarves do 133 damage. "piticii de batalie fac 133 stricaciune".

13:31:40 mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest things in nature is watching voiceovered shows in romanian. beats any conceivable mst3k or anything.

13:31:59 asciilifeform: better than fr ?

13:32:03 mircea_popescu: way.

13:32:20 mircea_popescu: french is just weird, like, someone's mentally retarded. romanian is hysterical, like someone's very drunk

13:32:29 mircea_popescu: ymmv.

13:32:48 asciilifeform: kill-9, restarted, now wedged at 'Loading block index...'

13:32:51 asciilifeform: typical.

13:32:56 mircea_popescu: that'll take a while.

13:33:13 mircea_popescu: btw, prolly best run it with -detachdb switched on

13:33:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00055381 = 16.5035 BTC [+] {2}

13:34:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we haven't got this flag

13:34:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it must be in yours only

13:34:56 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/DeIjKnl.jpg

13:34:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8h6Ef )

13:35:25 asciilifeform: aaaaaand we're back to black hole hell

13:35:33 punkman: asciilifeform: does your node have 40k addresses in its wallet?

13:35:53 asciilifeform: punkman: the wallet has never been fired

13:35:57 asciilifeform: on this box

13:38:23 mircea_popescu: oh

13:38:43 mircea_popescu: well gotta do something re db corruption

13:39:09 mircea_popescu: maybe rsync the bdb

13:39:15 *: shinohai still wants to torrent blockchain f he can ever get a clean sync.

13:39:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, what did you think i did before.

13:39:35 mircea_popescu: aha works.

13:39:37 asciilifeform: hence when i said '2 day outage'

13:39:40 asciilifeform: but that's lame

13:40:04 mircea_popescu: so it is.

13:40:35 mircea_popescu: shinohai the problem with that is in the verficiation.

13:40:43 asciilifeform: anyway i discover to my surprise that the thing has been synced all this time.

13:40:46 punkman: asciilifeform: just wondering about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225902

13:40:46 assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 17:50:18; ben_vulpes: Loaded 39823 addresses

13:40:47 asciilifeform: somehow.

13:41:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you were complaining about outbound not inbound.

13:41:11 shinohai: mircea_popescu: any suggestions on how to solve that problem?

13:41:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: inbound also did not and still does not work reliably

13:41:42 mircea_popescu: shinohai not really. either you verify or you don't. if you don't, might as well not bother storing a blockchain of unknown origion and run spv. if you do, you do.

13:41:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22502 @ 0.0005629 = 12.6664 BTC [+] {4}

13:41:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fortunately bitcoin doesn't actually require reliability

13:42:07 shinohai: spv isn't a real node :/

13:42:14 mircea_popescu: neither is a torrented blockchain

13:42:21 mircea_popescu: in fact they are exactly iudentical.

13:43:15 mircea_popescu: note that when i stood up an ancient chain, to assuage any conceivable doubts about blockchain contiguity from day one, i let people actually filter it in through the normal process, rather than torrent it.

13:43:54 asciilifeform: one can always 'eatblock' the thing.

13:46:50 mircea_popescu: this is true.

13:46:58 *: asciilifeform finally broke down and went to look for the mythical 'RejectNonSatanicNode()' in enemy https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src . what a shitnest !

13:47:00 assbot: bitcoin/src at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8iJBQ )

13:47:00 mircea_popescu: not sure the hassle's worth it, but one could.

13:47:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what loc count is it at yet, 5mn ?

13:47:27 asciilifeform: could've sworn there was half again as much of it last i looked

13:47:46 mircea_popescu: wait. what ?!

13:47:59 mircea_popescu: power rangers actually pruned some code ?!

13:48:13 asciilifeform: mno ?

13:48:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00057383 = 25.9371 BTC [+] {2}

13:49:12 mike_c: half again = 50% more, not less

13:49:34 asciilifeform: was half its size now

13:49:43 asciilifeform: is what i meant.

13:50:09 mircea_popescu: oh

13:50:23 mircea_popescu: yeah, half-again is 150%. ancient roman convention.

13:50:24 asciilifeform: that thing is ~7MB ~zipped~

13:50:29 asciilifeform: ah hm

13:50:31 mircea_popescu: ahahaha good god

13:51:36 *: asciilifeform not relishing the perspective of attempting building and running that thing

13:51:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227572 < check it out BingoBoingo, "tokyo court submits to old MP article"

13:51:57 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 12:09:06; shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/tokyo-court-bitcoin-not-subject-to-ownership-2/?utm_content=bufferf2fe9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

13:52:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw my current hypothesis is that recent phoundation turds balk at node which refuses to BIP-14

13:53:01 asciilifeform: (similar to how 'bitnodes' does)

13:53:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : the sestertius was really "semis-tertius", or, half-third.

13:53:14 mircea_popescu: ie, two and a half.

13:53:44 *: asciilifeform ought to have remembered this.

13:53:54 mircea_popescu: they basically counted halves. half, half-once (1 1/2) half-twice etc

13:54:18 mircea_popescu: indicative of the braindamage bad conventional notation bakes into thought

13:54:21 mircea_popescu: re that old thread.

13:54:30 asciilifeform: aha

13:55:30 asciilifeform: find ./bitcoin-master/ -type f -exec cat {} + | wc -l

13:55:32 asciilifeform: wait for it...

13:55:37 asciilifeform: 335645

13:55:38 *: mircea_popescu waits for it

13:55:49 mircea_popescu: ah, not even a million yet. what sort of video driver is this!

13:58:38 asciilifeform: a copy of stator: 24209

13:59:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00056958 = 10.1385 BTC [-]

13:59:13 mircea_popescu: so bitcoin is 93% shittier than power-ranger bitcoin right ?

13:59:14 asciilifeform: (src dir)

13:59:23 asciilifeform: turdator's src dir: 287866

14:04:51 asciilifeform: aaand dulap is back in business. for now...

14:05:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: your earlier observation 'moar nodes!' - must determine if enemy is able to wedge on demand. because then it does not particularly matter how many of us there are.

14:23:24 asciilifeform: 'The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both ?.dat? and ?log? files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the ?.dat? files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the ?log? files are not? even minor version differences may have incompatible ?log? files. The -detachdb option moves any pending chang

14:23:24 asciilifeform: es from the ?log? files to the ?blkindex.dat? file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the ?wallet.dat? file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown.'

14:23:32 asciilifeform: (found, from 0.7.2 readme)

14:23:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^

14:24:59 asciilifeform: ( https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.7.2 )

14:25:00 assbot: Bitcoin-Qt version 0.7.2 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1InZpy7 )

14:26:16 asciilifeform: doesn't appear to be of interest.

14:26:31 asciilifeform: unless mircea_popescu's -detachdb does something else!

14:27:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2014#925307 << apparently in the logz, even.

14:27:14 assbot: Logged on 16-11-2014 06:12:47; ben_vulpes: http://94i30.net/wp-content/bitcoin-p2sh/bitcoin-detachdb.php << for lulz

14:27:50 punkman: I like how detach means combine into a single file?

14:29:34 *: asciilifeform bbl

14:49:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20451 @ 0.00057069 = 11.6712 BTC [+]

14:58:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @ 0.00056585 = 35.5071 BTC [-] {3}

15:04:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89493 @ 0.00057094 = 51.0951 BTC [+] {3}

15:07:42 decimation: no wonder why shutting down stator takes so long

15:08:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12421 @ 0.00056265 = 6.9887 BTC [-] {3}

15:11:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, yeah. my detachdb forces proper flushing of db ops to disk such that the disk is always consistent. this was (mostly) the behaviour pre 6. the power rangers came up with a retarded scheme where they held about half of txn in memory in an ad hoic cache

15:11:35 mircea_popescu: which results in a situation where killed bitcoinds ruin their blockchain because well... can't make sense of it anymore.

15:11:48 mircea_popescu: this idiocy is actually where i ordered divergence.

15:12:59 mircea_popescu: who ever came up with the idea that "it's ok to corrupt permanent storage if volatile ram dies"....

15:14:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enemy is not able to wedge on demand.

15:17:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00054829 = 16.7777 BTC [-] {3}

15:26:29 shinohai: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/spy-agency-whistle-blower-posted-top-secret-report-4chan-users-called-it-fake-gay-1514330 <<< top kek

15:26:30 assbot: Spy agency whistle-blower posts top secret report to 4chan but users dismiss it as 'fake and gay' ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsruCb )

15:27:10 mircea_popescu: social media ftw.

15:27:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 70 @ 0.10184894 = 7.1294 BTC [+] {18}

15:30:20 mircea_popescu: "John McAfee, the eccentric antivirus pioneer, was arrested in Tennessee for driving under the influence of drugs and possessing a handgun while intoxicated."

15:31:07 mircea_popescu: "The shootout with the police was highly exaggerated and in fact no one was even hit by a bullet, let alone harmed by one. The police knew me and I don't believe their hearts were truly in the shootout, as it is not included in the official report. When I ran out of ammunition, I surrendered quietly and the officers and my self had a cigarette together and joked about my bad aim."

15:31:18 mircea_popescu: guy's taking some pretty powerful xanax.

15:31:48 shinohai: Or some other drug discovered in the jungles of Belize.

15:33:07 mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense

15:34:43 mircea_popescu: in other news, make-up does wonders http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls0lwkdqCj1qciaxlo1_1280.jpg

15:34:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPAV4K )

15:36:20 shinohai: creamy ...

15:39:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00055415 = 12.69 BTC [+] {3}

15:41:31 shinohai: My god, mircea_popescu was right: https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/628858360704704512

15:42:12 shinohai: He has no qualms about discussing it, heh

15:43:03 mircea_popescu: yeha guy's out there.

15:44:29 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg

15:44:30 assbot: How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isunmw )

15:49:05 punkman: looks like he hasn't had a haircut for a decade

15:49:18 mircea_popescu: maybe it's glued on

15:49:24 shinohai: Like half of the people in Tennessee

15:53:28 shinohai: And Xstians are always bandying about how persecuted they are: http://www.rt.com/usa/311664-school-child-lawsuit-god/

15:53:29 assbot: School ‘banishes’ 7yo student for saying he doesn’t believe in God – lawsuit — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsvP8i )

15:56:05 trinque: good for the kid

16:01:17 trinque: Adlai | trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source? << on my laptop and a server, no shithub to be found

16:01:22 trinque: and backed up of course

16:01:42 trinque: but anyway, if you'd like a copy, I could give you one

16:03:10 trinque: the deed transactions spend to an address generated using the sha256 of the bundle as the private key

16:03:54 trinque: bundle is each deed in order with a single newline between

16:04:11 trinque: meaning ascii armor footer and header touching

16:04:59 shinohai: trinque: does deedbot run on limnoria ?

16:06:02 trinque: nah this tenyks bot I no longer like

16:06:09 trinque: has trouble reconnecting, seems like a race condition

16:08:36 trinque: I like that it's built as a core server and the services are independent of that

16:09:55 trinque: rather than strap myself to golang I'm going to jettison it at some point and reimplement the services model in CL

16:11:15 punkman: trinque: did you write the services in go?

16:11:30 trinque: nah, python

16:11:49 trinque: it does pub/sub over redis

16:12:06 trinque: so anything with a redis client would work

16:12:55 trinque: it might be a simple fix to get it to reconnect better; I just lack the interest to cram yet another c-like language into my head

16:15:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.0005714 = 36.6839 BTC [+] {5}

16:20:11 punkman: trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw?

16:23:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14590 @ 0.00057198 = 8.3452 BTC [+]

16:24:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00057384 = 39.4228 BTC [+]

16:27:10 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

16:32:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47857 @ 0.00056415 = 26.9985 BTC [-] {4}

16:33:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2343 @ 0.00055892 = 1.3095 BTC [-]

16:34:57 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227750 << already forgot his 'coloured phone' ?

16:34:57 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 15:33:07; mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense

16:35:28 ascii_field: (it was to be something like our hypothetical radio relay. but he got belized before it got any traction.)

16:36:07 ascii_field: anyway mcaffee is something almost like a real person and not a good candidate. loose cannon from usg pov

16:42:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81216 @ 0.00055115 = 44.7622 BTC [-] {6}

16:44:22 ascii_field: ;;isup fraudsters.com

16:44:26 gribble: fraudsters.com is down

16:54:25 trinque: punkman | trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw? << so well I barely notice it

16:54:32 trinque: haven't had a problem yet.

16:54:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51111 @ 0.00055984 = 28.614 BTC [+] {3}

16:57:00 ascii_field: trinque: public node ?

16:58:07 trinque: ascii_field: should be listening at

17:17:50 punkman: "Well, in my first six movies I was just "Krysta." You know, but then in order to differentiate myself from the 76 other Krystas in the business, I added the "Now." Well, it's all about now, 2008, not next week, not tomorrow. If you wanna fuck me, you can fuck me... now."

17:54:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @ 0.00055787 = 45.9127 BTC [-] {4}

17:58:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27538 @ 0.00054829 = 15.0988 BTC [-]

18:00:27 mircea_popescu: ascii_field mebbe so.

18:01:07 mircea_popescu: punkman a good principle for sure.

18:01:19 mircea_popescu: too many diesel cunts in the world.

18:05:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00056256 = 20.871 BTC [+] {3}

18:07:51 thestringpuller: unleaded cunts only

18:08:10 jurov_now: nao!!!

18:08:56 BingoBoingo: !b 6

18:08:57 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KZXXX6.txt )

18:15:13 ben_vulpes: coracle wedged firmly at 367850.

18:16:29 ben_vulpes: i think my route forward is to back up the existing blockchain, and resync from one of the noble nodes

18:18:09 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:19:14 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: you didn't find anything interesting in that log of mine, did you?

18:19:43 ascii_field: nope

18:20:02 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: side note, perhaps qntra'd run something about how noble nodes that have well-ordered blockchains can now be synced from?

18:20:13 BingoBoingo: I think alf may be onto something with the BIP 14 user agent strings. If nodes are claiming maxint protocol version and not serving a user-agent string to turd nodes.

18:20:36 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think I wrote that up already. Just didn't call them nobel nodes.

18:21:08 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/

18:21:10 assbot: Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtwUjM )

18:21:27 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: ~noble~

18:21:29 ascii_field: gargh

18:21:59 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: that article doesn't highlight chain ancestry

18:22:04 ben_vulpes: which is also neat

18:22:07 ben_vulpes: but w/e, your shop

18:22:27 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: any other things i should try before backing up my blockchain and resyncing?

18:22:36 *: ben_vulpes doesn't wedge frequently

18:22:38 ascii_field: restart ?

18:22:38 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It will likely get dropped in again with other actual Bitcoin news.

18:23:19 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> BingoBoingo: ~noble~ << I prefer the dynamite guy.

18:23:21 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: have yeah.

18:23:46 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: post pcap plz

18:26:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056348 = 16.9044 BTC [+] {2}

18:26:26 scoopbot_revived: Tokyo Court Affirms Ancient Bitcoin Wisdom: Coins Gifted to Scammers are No Longer Yours http://qntra.net/2015/08/tokyo-court-affirms-ancient-bitcoin-wisdom-coins-gifted-to-scammers-are-no-longer-yours/

18:27:31 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: dev-haskell/pcap?

18:27:43 ben_vulpes: no no no

18:28:17 ascii_field: nono

18:28:19 ascii_field: tcpdump

18:28:38 ben_vulpes: aha

18:30:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00056441 = 17.2709 BTC [+]

18:39:48 ben_vulpes: welp i hosed this gentoo somehow

18:39:58 ben_vulpes: tcpdump: command not found

18:40:06 ben_vulpes: man tcpdump: werkz

18:40:46 jurov_now: did it emerge successfully?

18:41:12 ben_vulpes: pretty sure.

18:41:17 trinque: ben_vulpes: some shells cache the bins in in $PATH

18:41:20 trinque: might have to re-open

18:41:26 *: ben_vulpes shrugs, runs emerge again

18:41:34 ben_vulpes: guys i dont understand the first thing about computers

18:41:39 trinque: ben_vulpes: open a new term

18:41:52 ben_vulpes: trinque: tried that.

18:42:00 trinque: hm, then ass-goblins

18:42:41 ben_vulpes: will post emergelog shortly.

18:43:05 trinque: ben_vulpes: ah it gets put in /usr/sbin

18:43:12 trinque: probably requires root to run

18:43:36 ben_vulpes: sudo tcpdump?

18:43:42 ben_vulpes: i are a dorp

18:43:56 ben_vulpes: whoa okay yeah it werkz. i don't.

18:43:59 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo

18:44:00 assbot: Bill Withers - Ain't No Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtMUwX )

18:50:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00056441 = 16.4526 BTC [+]

18:50:52 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: how long of a pcap run?

18:54:15 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:56:02 shinohai: $google uses for worthless asics

18:56:58 trinque: shinohai: got any wind-related issues with paper?

18:57:19 shinohai: wut ...

18:57:25 trinque: also, new entry for metal thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDPkCy_XmII

18:57:26 assbot: Black Crown Initiate - The Wreckage Of Stars (2014) Full Album - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtOq21 )

18:57:33 trinque: shinohai: paperweight joke

18:57:45 shinohai: I was thinking doorstop

18:58:23 shinohai: I was cleaning out my computer junk, found these two old gridseeds I bought like 2 years ago

18:59:25 trinque: ever get any coin out of them?

18:59:35 trinque: I'm always curious whether people had a net gain mining

19:02:16 shinohai: I made roi but using it in dual mode to mine shitty alts. More trouble than it was worth honestly.

19:02:36 shinohai: I mainly purchased them as curiousity.

19:05:00 punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits

19:06:27 punkman: I suspect the hand-to-mouth miners were only profitable for some very short periods of time

19:42:59 BingoBoingo: http://www.startribune.com/gay-teens-have-higher-pregnancy-rates-than-their-straight-peers/320842991/

19:43:02 assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )

19:44:39 funkenstein_: !up franckuestein

19:46:19 shinohai: Somehow BingoBoingo I feel that article was trolling me

19:47:10 BingoBoingo: shinohai: Maybe pregnancy made them gay?

19:48:15 shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?

19:51:31 jurov_now: hardly any teen is sure of their orientation

20:01:48 mircea_popescu: lol jurov_now

20:01:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121250 @ 0.00056568 = 68.5887 BTC [+] {3}

20:02:05 mircea_popescu: is this your new pornstar name ?

20:02:23 jurov_now: yes, now!

20:02:31 punkman: it rolls of the tongue

20:02:37 punkman: should keep it

20:02:53 mircea_popescu: but yes, tis true. hardly any teen is sure of their anything. you get the choice to either force them into a role, and thus get ballet dancers, olympic athletes, women, men, depression and suicide

20:03:13 mircea_popescu: or else let them bubble in their own stew and get redditars. and depression.

20:03:24 mircea_popescu: no suicide because they're not actually competent enough to do it, for the most part.

20:03:54 mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's also a third way, like the communism that actually works (tm)

20:04:16 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg

20:04:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxmpeU )

20:04:44 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:05:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: l0l wut is this mythical creature that is unsure of things

20:05:15 mircea_popescu: kids.

20:05:31 ascii_field: the dumber, the more cocksure, i thought

20:06:28 mircea_popescu: !up n6

20:06:46 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem is that dumb speaks to two different things.

20:07:19 n6: mircea_popescu: I still working on getting http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 working but I noticed you have an open bounty (http://fraudsters.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958) still. someone linked the done work already(http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/bitcoin-dot.svg) can I collect?

20:07:19 assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: << instructions at top

20:07:32 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227896 <<< beats sharpies-in-ass

20:07:32 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 20:04:16; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg

20:07:36 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227884 <-- could be only way to keep dad around

20:07:36 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:48:15; shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible?

20:07:40 mircea_popescu: n6 it's been paid out et all for a while.

20:07:50 n6: ah too bad.

20:08:06 mircea_popescu: you know, by the solrodar guy that actually did it.

20:09:56 n6: ah I thought it might be to good to be true.

20:12:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227877 <>< in which case the tidy profits are not from mining

20:12:14 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:05:00; punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits

20:13:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227880 << anyway, this imo should be sufficient proof that "gay" is a fashion label, being used for political gain by unscrupulous operators but otherwise perfectly unrelated with anything substantial

20:13:52 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:43:02; assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )

20:13:55 mircea_popescu: such as anyhone's sexuality.,

20:14:12 mircea_popescu: they're "gay" these teens in the sense the 1910s teens were "warlike"

20:19:24 ben_vulpes: http://feminism.shithouse.tv

20:19:25 assbot: feminism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcWFob )

20:19:31 ben_vulpes: http://anti-feminism.shithouse.tv

20:19:32 assbot: anti-feminism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcWFEF )

20:23:17 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227522 << heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI

20:23:17 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 05:46:09; punkman: BingoBoingo: here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYB0lzoofc

20:23:18 assbot: Charger prototype finding its way to Model S - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxox6u )

20:26:13 ascii_field: >> http://i.imgur.com/qB9sO7O.gifv <<

20:26:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxoOGB )

20:27:44 punkman: is the dolphin using a headless fish as a fucktoy?

20:27:48 ascii_field: yes.

20:28:20 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/illinois-will-close-world-shooting-complex-in-sparta-at-end/article_035fe93b-9bdc-5609-9be6-9bfc63b01488.html

20:28:22 assbot: Illinois will close World Shooting Complex in Sparta at end of August : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxp4Fq )

20:28:22 scoopbot_revived: Fiat Chrysler Sued in Court Over Security Vulnerability http://qntra.net/2015/08/fiat-chrysler-sued-in-court-over-security-vulnerability/

20:29:21 trinque: bahahah, that's about as good as the monkey fucking a frog

20:29:31 trinque: I never knew dolphins could do such a lecherous face

20:30:28 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU9-TKRkaUw << for those who must witness

20:30:29 assbot: Monkey Rapes Frog - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxpn3c )

20:35:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5209 @ 0.00056614 = 2.949 BTC [+]

20:39:11 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo in that last qntra, i think you forgot to mention http://qntra.net/2015/07/entertainment-system-vulnerability-turns-vehicles-into-hot-death/

20:39:12 assbot: "Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcYLV2 )

20:39:26 BingoBoingo: ty pete_dushenski

20:39:52 pete_dushenski: np my man

20:40:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52738 @ 0.00056749 = 29.9283 BTC [+] {2}

20:40:42 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227167 < hm yea this makes for an interesting read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/52137

20:40:42 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 03:37:01; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla any idea ?

20:40:43 assbot: Problems with two active encryption subkeys | GnuPG | users ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcZ0Q9 )

20:41:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00057072 = 14.6104 BTC [+] {2}

20:55:53 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/oldapps-com-under-attack-or-this-is-why-you-checksum/#comment-25282 << oldapps.com update

20:55:54 assbot: OldApps.com under attack, or this is why you checksum. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxspUU )

20:56:12 pete_dushenski: shit's gotten worse instead of better.

20:57:37 pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !

20:58:03 pete_dushenski: because maybe that'll make them more secure and trustworthy or something

20:58:11 shinohai: That solves everything doesn't it?

20:58:32 pete_dushenski: in lalaland, it would see so

20:58:34 pete_dushenski: seem

20:58:38 shinohai: Because sbtraction is the most important part of maths

21:00:12 pete_dushenski: because obstruction is the most important part of diddling old software

21:01:07 pete_dushenski: because hey, everyone should just get with the program and use the latest shiniest most califragilistically stupendous apps and oses coming out of everyone's bungholes

21:01:36 pete_dushenski: god forbid anyone actually become accustomed to the tools of their craft and, y'know, improve at their craft !

21:02:17 pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work

21:02:35 pete_dushenski: and that's really no way to live in the modern age, no is it.

21:03:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35028 @ 0.00057198 = 20.0353 BTC [+] {2}

21:03:27 trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed

21:03:32 pete_dushenski: it's much better if you're always grappling with the superficial changes that the devs on high release every goddam monday

21:04:11 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:04:22 pete_dushenski: it would just be the end of computing as we know it if anyone had 2 months, maybe even 2 years! to actually learn the ins and outs of a program

21:04:25 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: why would you even consider running a downloaded binary

21:04:45 pete_dushenski: trinque i'll look

21:05:00 ascii_field: (notice, when i post binaries, they are not for running - certainly not on a computer... but for static analysis)

21:05:59 pete_dushenski: ascii_field because i'm a sucker for punishment and i fail to see the alternative in this case

21:06:06 ascii_field: what case

21:06:19 pete_dushenski: where else does one obtain a web browser, or a photo editor ?

21:06:32 ascii_field: for archaeological purposes ?

21:06:35 ascii_field: from one's wot of course

21:06:49 pete_dushenski: fair enough.

21:07:10 trinque: gentoo's nice for this; you can just archive your distfiles folder

21:07:12 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: what were you looking for? possibly i have it

21:07:35 kakobrekla: hm, anyone ever used this 'exclamation mark' trick to specify the key with which to encrypt with before?

21:07:48 pete_dushenski: dear wot : please to provide photo editor for mac os 10.6 or 10.8 (eg. pixelmator)

21:08:25 pete_dushenski: ascii_field ^you have by chance ?

21:08:48 ascii_field: intel ?

21:09:22 kakobrekla: because, to me it doesnt seem to be working.

21:09:29 pete_dushenski: ascii_field mhm

21:09:33 ascii_field: then no

21:09:47 pete_dushenski: ascii_field you have for ppc ?

21:09:53 ascii_field: possibly

21:10:18 pete_dushenski: if you have for ppc and macos 10.4, i'm interested

21:10:23 ascii_field: 9.

21:10:53 pete_dushenski: mkay well then the offer is open to any and all -other- in the wot

21:11:06 pete_dushenski: 1 down... couple dozen to go.

21:11:23 pete_dushenski: ascii_field but you're right. this is the sane approach

21:15:18 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo hyperlink to that article missed the 'a'

21:16:03 BingoBoingo: fxd

21:16:12 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227963 <<< for some reason that set my mind a brewin'

21:16:12 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:03:27; trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed

21:16:56 pete_dushenski: https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/08/06/how-much-do-we-love-windows-10/ << why phil, why ??

21:16:58 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How much do we love Windows 10? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxuGPX )

21:17:31 pete_dushenski: downloading binaries is nothing compared to downloading winbloze 10.

21:18:17 shinohai: If all the world offered was Windows 10, I'd become the next Ted Kaczynski for sure.

21:20:14 davout: ohai

21:20:41 ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper

21:21:53 pete_dushenski: re: binaries vs. winbloze. this is perhaps like saying that sticking your dick in a blender is nothing like sticking your head in a shark's mouth.

21:22:14 pete_dushenski: ascii_field that ol' coot ? hm.

21:22:46 pete_dushenski: shinohai no see because ted could see a different world than the one he was offered.

21:23:21 shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski

21:23:50 pete_dushenski: for sure.

21:24:05 shinohai: If anyone can think outside the box ....

21:24:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36681 @ 0.00057266 = 21.0057 BTC [+] {3}

21:24:27 pete_dushenski: what i'm saying is that if winbloze 10 is all there is, that's all there is.

21:24:27 BingoBoingo: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10134

21:24:29 assbot: 10134 – Ulrich Drepper is a fucking dictator asshole ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5U8sT )

21:24:33 pete_dushenski: sorta like bitcoin, that's what there is.

21:25:08 BingoBoingo: "Note that the status of the bug was changed from "RESOLVED INVALID" to "RESOLVED FIXED" in 2014-03-20. Probably because as well as I know Ulrich currently doesn't work in Red Hat and doesn't have any commit access. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.glibc.alpha/19088"

21:25:09 assbot: glibc steering committee dissolving ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5UcJ3 )

21:25:16 pete_dushenski: shinohai within the context of your propostion, fighting against forces of nature makes little sense.

21:25:36 pete_dushenski: of course, this isn't the os space we live in

21:25:37 shinohai: Of course not, if you try yo will lose.

21:25:45 shinohai: *you

21:25:50 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225684 <<< iirc trinque mentioned a versioning system that does signed commits properly, where you can extract a set of individually signed patches

21:25:50 assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:15; mircea_popescu: so : you wanna contribute, use this and that markup, then rest is done by itself.

21:25:59 pete_dushenski: shinohai and i agree that we should be thankful for this

21:26:30 trinque: davout: it was punkman re darcs I think

21:26:35 shinohai: I do agree. The fact that there are finite boundaries is comforting to an extent

21:26:40 pete_dushenski: but i'm off for a bit. laters !

21:26:44 ascii_field: davout, trinque, et al: i will not be giving any automatic system access to my pgptron.

21:27:09 trinque: I've never used darcs, have no opinion on it

21:27:21 trinque: but I agree with that principle

21:27:40 davout: ascii_field: if you could have a separate pgptron for checking sigs, and the ability to manually insert a signed patch into it?

21:28:00 ascii_field: speaking of signing, rather than checking

21:28:06 ascii_field: checking can be done on a keyless pgp

21:28:13 davout: yeah, that's the point

21:28:32 davout: check fingerprints, trust keys, you can check

21:29:07 davout: with some additional bash script that checks that each key is L1/L2

21:29:15 davout: (for each commit that is)

21:29:43 mircea_popescu: aga

21:29:51 mircea_popescu: aha*

21:30:29 davout: so basically the toolset reduces to:

21:30:51 davout: 1. versioning system that works sanely (able to extract individually signed commits)

21:31:24 ascii_field: already wrong formulation. why 'extract' when ~they are the canonical representation~

21:31:29 davout: 2. validation script that checks that every single commit is signed by WoT-folks

21:32:12 davout: 3. tiny script that spits out a properly formatted signed commit for inclusion in versioning tool

21:32:46 davout: ascii_field: extract them all if you really insist on having a canonical representation you can frame and hang on your wall i guess

21:33:03 ascii_field: davout: do you understand what 'canonical representation' means ?

21:33:38 davout: the representation you prefer but is semantically equivalent to another representation ?

21:33:59 ascii_field: it means that i will not look at nor will ask anyone else to look at any other representation

21:34:14 ascii_field: can take mine, convert to yours, sure

21:34:51 trinque: !up ascii_field

21:36:03 davout: "please express any amounts in tonal bitcoin" is what comes to mind :-)

21:36:08 ascii_field: ~can~ have other representations. but for engraving in stone, 'diff -uNr a b' plz.

21:36:36 trinque: with the antecedent named, seems fine

21:36:45 trinque: what I wanted was that tree data structure *somewhere*

21:36:51 ascii_field: aha, working on that

21:39:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5746 @ 0.00057019 = 3.2763 BTC [-] {3}

21:40:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52704 @ 0.00056634 = 29.8484 BTC [-] {2}

21:41:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00057267 = 10.6517 BTC [+]

21:41:54 davout: as long as it's possible to have a tool to work on the patchset it essentially reduces to the same thing, which the only thing I personally care about

21:43:30 mircea_popescu: the idea being that ml + antecedents <=> versioning system that works sanely.

21:45:54 davout: roger ver delivers, again https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fw74a/roger_ver_on_twitter_lets_raise_the_block_size/cttakac

21:45:55 assbot: MemoryDealers comments on Roger Ver on Twitter: "...Let's raise the block size limit." ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5W04U )

21:46:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00056316 = 18.359 BTC [-] {4}

21:46:54 mircea_popescu: wow, this guy still exists!

21:47:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "sued in court" kinda redundant neh ?

21:48:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227951 << ahahaha. was obviously getting in the way of UXability.

21:48:02 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 20:57:37; pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !

21:49:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: fxd

21:49:46 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!

21:49:46 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:02:17; pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work

21:49:47 assbot: The Dancing Man and the cult of well-intentioned idiots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5WhVz )

21:51:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34985 @ 0.00057325 = 20.0552 BTC [+] {4}

21:54:30 mircea_popescu: in somewhat udder news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/9b313a20245b4db1df823c322dc60d95/tumblr_np4xj0OQUc1tttg72o1_1280.jpg

21:54:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5WNml )

21:55:35 shinohai: I wish I had some sort of job where I maintained a bot that archived great pr0n pics perpetually.

21:56:11 *: shinohai with a secret proxy for India

21:56:43 trinque: shinohai: stop wishing, and build your porno empire today!

21:57:06 mircea_popescu: holy shit phillip greenspun actually runs windows 10 ?!

21:57:20 mircea_popescu: this is the most mindblowing thing i heard this week.

22:00:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228001 << naw. hashalot is written by slusky.

22:00:43 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:20:41; ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper

22:01:29 mircea_popescu: http://www.paranoiacs.org/~sluskyb/hacks/hashalot/

22:01:30 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Xufp )

22:02:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228005 << for the record i fail to see any genius. this might be just because i'm a dour old prune, so don't mind me.

22:02:43 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:23:21; shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski

22:04:42 shinohai: http://www.singularitysymposium.com/ted-kaczynski.html

22:04:43 assbot: Ted Kaczynski and the Technological Singularity ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5XPPd )

22:05:57 shinohai: Some of his stuff was truly out there, but I admire his abilities in maths.

22:05:58 mircea_popescu: shinohai if you care to make a proposition i'll consider it, but otherwise what is this ? "At 25 Kaczynski became the youngest assistant professor ever to be hired by the University of California, Berkeley" ? i'm not in the demo.

22:06:11 mircea_popescu: refresh me, what did he do ? (flatly honest question)

22:08:05 shinohai: Well he understood laptrace transforms, which is more than I will ever know

22:08:51 shinohai: I have always been interested in interpreting time into a frequency

22:09:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228030 << to expound on this for the log readership : it is not trivial but definitely feasible to cause any running implementation of asymmetric cryptography to leak key bits if it is possible to direct encrypted matter at it in an automatic fashion and have live access to the results somehow. this theoretical fact is practically verified for pgp, and there's no grounds

22:09:02 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:28:06; ascii_field: checking can be done on a keyless pgp

22:09:02 mircea_popescu: to doubt it stands for any other. consequently, any system that automatically decrypts, or automatically signs, is a hole not a point of security.

22:09:24 kakobrekla: what am i missing here? http://dpaste.com/0BMEYFB.txt

22:09:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5YkZK )

22:09:27 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if the system only contains public keys, then it can be safely used to verify signatures made by the respective private keys.

22:10:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the key is broken apparently ?

22:10:21 kakobrekla: i doubt it

22:10:29 mircea_popescu: i have nfi what this is.

22:10:53 kakobrekla: certainly not a feature.

22:11:14 kakobrekla: mebbe ascii knows something ?

22:11:20 kakobrekla: !up ascii_field

22:11:28 mircea_popescu: can we have a -v -v output since you got it all deployed ?

22:11:50 kakobrekla: lets see

22:12:00 mircea_popescu: fucking b-a, never a dull moment.

22:13:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161200 @ 0.00055871 = 90.0641 BTC [-] {3}

22:13:37 kakobrekla: i get fucking the same?

22:13:57 mircea_popescu: uh

22:17:32 mircea_popescu: no, the pubkey is broken

22:17:51 kakobrekla: how is it broken?

22:18:19 kakobrekla: hm

22:18:28 mircea_popescu: well for one thing it doesn't hash to its fingerprint

22:18:41 punkman: kakobrekla: why did you expect something different from the last command in that paste?

22:18:52 mircea_popescu: we got a live cosmic ray event here or wtf.

22:19:15 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell n6 : can you extract and publish your public key as it resides on your machine, as opposed to whatever's on sks servers.

22:19:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:20:00 kakobrekla: punkman i hoped for 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 05D01131' or what

22:21:09 kakobrekla: or maybe we are missing something with mp

22:21:14 kakobrekla: pls do tell ?

22:21:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34034 @ 0.00057383 = 19.5297 BTC [+] {2}

22:23:36 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu it doesnt seem to be broken key cause the thing doesnt work on other peoples keys as well

22:24:38 kakobrekla: yeah lol we are noobs.

22:24:53 kakobrekla: you cant encrypt with that.

22:25:30 punkman: aha

22:25:55 kakobrekla: what threw me off was yesterdays debate - what n6 really would want in his position is to get otp encrpyted with F9F5 A57C instead 3594 E367

22:26:03 kakobrekla: however i am not sure this is possible.

22:27:35 punkman: it's a special case indeed

22:27:42 kakobrekla: perhaps he will be able to auth again after 2018-08-29

22:27:50 punkman: n6 needs to re-arrange his keys

22:27:50 kakobrekla: if the gpg falls back

22:28:01 kakobrekla: to his non expiring kex

22:28:03 kakobrekla: key

22:28:44 kakobrekla: or add another working subkey ?

22:29:55 punkman: https://10thirty.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pierre-marcolini-avenue-louise.jpg in case you find yourself in Belgium

22:29:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmbBGO )

22:29:57 kakobrekla: with even longer expiration date

22:45:21 punkman: for folks that might still be baffled: gpg creates a master sign-only key that is used to sign sub keys. when you encrypt something for the main fingerprint, gpg chooses an encryption subkey.

22:47:55 punkman: (and yes RSA keys can do both, it's just a flag gpg sets on the keys)

22:48:29 kakobrekla: and the decision on which subkey apparently depends on implementation, not on openpgp standard, from link earlier.

22:48:36 mircea_popescu: o.O

22:49:02 mircea_popescu: pub 4096R/2FB7B452 2011-07-22 <<

22:49:08 mircea_popescu: my key is actually the main.

22:49:29 kakobrekla: nein http://dpaste.com/381RF4D.txt

22:49:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmdPWD )

22:49:53 mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr

22:49:53 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e494b4bd9c67dd6c

22:50:32 mircea_popescu: gpg: encrypted with 4096-bit RSA key, ID 16B8E32E, created 2011-07-22

22:50:36 mircea_popescu: right you are

22:50:38 kakobrekla: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E

22:50:41 kakobrekla: yea

22:50:45 mircea_popescu: one day i'll actually have this entire shitshow in my head.

22:50:58 punkman: gl hf

22:52:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, kakobrekla has it, we're noobs.

22:52:38 punkman: and you don't have to carry your master private key around!

22:52:39 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell n6 nevermind, figured it out in the end.

22:52:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:53:00 kakobrekla: punkman i just dont leave house.

22:53:07 mircea_popescu: to celebrate, trophy : http://36.media.tumblr.com/b620fdb41a72e999b92ef9f913c575dc/tumblr_mk2kc8JmVg1qf0ndvo1_1280.jpg

22:53:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hme97A )

22:53:12 mircea_popescu: and i can confirm, he doesn't.

22:53:43 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228144 < Hopefully I get rated one day with a "Hurr Durr Dippy Do" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo

22:53:43 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:49:53; mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr

22:53:44 assbot: Swedish Chef - Meatballs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmednT )

22:53:46 kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload.

22:53:46 punkman: kakobrekla: yeah but instead of doing everything on airgap laptop, you can do it on internet connected device

22:54:06 punkman: revoke subkeys every now and then, nobody will notice

22:54:21 mircea_popescu: ;;isup fraudsters.com

22:54:23 gribble: fraudsters.com is up

22:54:26 mircea_popescu: bah

22:54:38 mircea_popescu: what can you rely on in this day and age

22:57:46 shinohai: ^ truth

22:58:12 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228163 < http://smpake.com/slivnica.jpg.gpg

22:58:12 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:53:46; kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload.

22:58:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmew28 )

22:58:53 mircea_popescu: in other news, i looked since curious nao, fraudsters grew 66.7536% yoy 2013/2014 and 53.1315% yoy 2014/2015. IT IS SLOWING DOWN!

22:59:01 mircea_popescu: and yes, that's four ~significant~ digits there.

22:59:23 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu jpg, postcard, from a couple of days ago.

22:59:44 mircea_popescu: cool!

22:59:50 mircea_popescu: i went to tigre. it sucked.

23:00:08 mircea_popescu: "oh come to see our great casino". it was not even up to mall code.

23:00:23 mircea_popescu: was expectiong either jay or silent bob at any turn

23:01:04 *: mircea_popescu disfirms. kakobrekla does in fact leave house.

23:01:20 kakobrekla: on a good occasion.

23:01:31 mircea_popescu: (to confirm, originalyl, meant to sign, like we do with the patches.)

23:02:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00057384 = 8.0911 BTC [+]

23:17:09 decimation: I asked one of my coworkers if I was dour, he confirmed it was the case.

23:18:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15682 @ 0.00055696 = 8.7342 BTC [-] {3}

23:19:19 shinohai: Being dour is fun decimation

23:24:21 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

23:24:29 ascii_field: achtung, panzers!

23:24:40 ascii_field: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{"sha512sum \"" $2 "\"" | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }'

23:24:51 ascii_field: gives the desired behaviour.

23:24:51 scoopbot_revived: MPIF (F.MPIF) July 2015 Statement http://fraudsters.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-july-2015-statement/

23:24:55 ascii_field: ^^^ mircea_popescu ^^^

23:25:59 ascii_field: ~verifying~ left - for now - to the alert reader.

23:26:31 ascii_field: this recipe produces a diff usable by 'patch' ~containing antecents~ and ~postcondition~ !!!

23:26:43 ascii_field: requires standard gnu awk.

23:26:58 ascii_field: replace 'sha512sum' with any checksum util.

23:27:51 ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/05M62XK << example output

23:27:52 assbot: dpaste: 05M62XK ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9mnew )

23:28:15 ascii_field: mircea_popesc ^

23:28:19 ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^

23:29:25 jurov: interesting, i was suddenly disconnected "for excess flooding"

23:29:33 jurov: while inactive

23:35:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00056133 = 11.5353 BTC [+] {3}

23:43:38 pete_dushenski: !up n6

23:44:17 n6: I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?

23:44:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXqHAl )

23:44:45 n6: grub2-install /dev/sda is giving me that

23:45:38 n6: I fixed it in the make file and redid steps after but still giving me that

23:46:30 kakobrekla: 'make clean' perhaps ?

23:46:32 *: kakobrekla nfi

23:47:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.00056441 = 17.2145 BTC [+] {3}

23:47:54 n6: mean the /etc/portage/make.conf is where i messed up

23:48:04 n6: done all the steps after but still wont let me leave

23:48:36 danielpbarron: n6 mount your boot partition from a not borked install

23:48:48 n6: this is the only install I have.

23:49:03 danielpbarron: can be the "live" "cd"

23:49:13 danielpbarron: flash drive with iso or whatever

23:49:15 kakobrekla: ah

23:49:24 n6: How?

23:49:55 danielpbarron: or perhaps i mistunderstood where you're stuck at, maybe you are still in this live environment

23:50:15 n6: Yes still in the live environment.

23:51:35 n6: Do I need to start over?

23:52:06 danielpbarron: i'd at least go back to where you know you messed up

23:52:42 n6: I have done that, and still isn't working.

23:52:55 *: kakobrekla thought you were at building the turd

23:53:17 n6: No I fucked it up went back tried again

23:53:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.0005566 = 20.9838 BTC [-] {3}

23:54:20 n6: I built the turd to see if it might work, but it still wont let me grub anything.

23:54:48 n6: I did a genkernel all to see if that would fix it (next step) still nothing.

23:56:23 danielpbarron: i also was not able to get grub2 to work when i installed gentoo

23:56:41 danielpbarron: but i did not use that guide

23:57:17 jurov: tried to re-merge grub?

23:57:37 jurov: the GRUB_PLATFORMS looks like compile-time setting

23:57:45 n6: no, this is my first time installing gentoo, how?

23:57:53 jurov: emerge grub

23:57:57 jurov: ^just that

23:59:55 n6: still giving me the error