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00:03:55 cazalla: BingoBoingo, i think it's ok for the time being tbh

00:04:17 BingoBoingo: Fair

00:14:18 justusranvier: https://twitter.com/TxbtcFrontier/status/518915067757469697

00:14:20 assbot: Starting now: https://t.co/V2sF34oeNG

00:16:30 cazalla: cool, wat ching

00:17:03 Duffer_: who's the guy talking atm?

00:17:51 cazalla: not sure but he calls mircea_popescu mursaya

00:17:59 Duffer_: yea hehe

00:18:51 cazalla: lol doge licking its balls on camera

00:19:39 dignork: it's bitstein i'd guess

00:21:47 TheNewDeal: justusranvier who is this

00:37:19 justusranvier: The last one was bitstien

00:37:41 justusranvier: Now we have yamamushi: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cqukfsatq308s00qdhggkp6oegg

00:40:19 TheNewDeal: why isn't this just one stream?

00:43:42 bitstein: TIL how to actually pronounce Mircea.

00:43:51 TheNewDeal: yamamaushi found Satoshi!?!?

00:44:26 dignork: TheNewDeal: no, other dude who invented bitcoin before him

00:44:40 TheNewDeal: is that a joke?

00:46:02 dignork: no, pretty vanilla, Satoshi refered to previous works, hashcash for example, might call it real bitcoin inventor for example :)

00:46:46 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--kATayK5N--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/rwi4zk7yyxgya1jpgx4v.jpg

00:49:12 cazalla: !up pyre

00:49:30 cazalla: !up pyre

00:49:36 TheNewDeal: you're right, hashcash was obviously bitcoin

00:50:26 cazalla: pyre, here ya go http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets do it already

00:50:26 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

00:54:59 danielpbarron: ;;later tell bitstein you demonstrated gpg on an online machine at a meetup?? with your actual key???

00:55:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:57:22 BingoBoingo: Sad say http://bigstory.ap.org/article/22931ec39fd04b768dbfcc5aab24413b/ousted-haitian-dictator-jean-claude-duvalier-dies

00:57:23 assbot: Ousted Haitian dictator, Jean-Claude Duvalier dies

00:57:29 dignork: danielpbarron: well, it was really low-res, and only a pub-key

00:57:32 justusranvier: The two streams because it means the videos are automagically seperate

00:57:44 danielpbarron: dignork, so?

00:57:54 justusranvier: TheNewDeal: ^

00:59:09 TheNewDeal: Did Al Gore invent the internet?

00:59:16 dignork: ;;gpg info bitstein

00:59:16 gribble: User 'bitstein', with keyid 1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, fingerprint 2CEA814804FCF14D9C1AE8EA1EA2662DEB2FEFBE, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sat May 24 16:06:12 2014, last authed on Sun Oct 5 20:42:25 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=bitstein . Currently not authenticated.

00:59:38 dignork: danielpbarron: if this is his key, it's public anyway ^

01:00:59 danielpbarron: the fact that he'd decrypt a message with his key on an online, os x, machine is already bad -- then he goes on to show others this insecure method to initiates

01:01:58 danielpbarron: -others // it's bad for Bitcoin

01:03:07 BingoBoingo: MSG Shakers at Restaurant tables, 'Murica https://twitter.com/Missionstfood/status/518132336181780480/photo/1

01:03:09 assbot: Authenticity option now available at MCF SF. /davidchang /hashtag/hospitality?src=hash http://t.co/JbYrdnf8x2

01:03:53 danielpbarron: it shouldn't be that difficult to demonstrate an offline setup, which is the experience new users should become accustomed with -- especially the kind of people who already think they are hip to crypto

01:06:20 danielpbarron: wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions

01:06:37 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

01:07:15 TheNewDeal: that was quite hilarious

01:07:17 dignork: well, you need two computers for that, or hardware crypto gadget (cardano is not there yet)

01:07:30 jborkl: Rough weekend for the price

01:07:40 danielpbarron: so? is it not possible to do without cardano?

01:08:27 dignork: possible ofcourse, two machines, cumbersome presentation

01:09:02 danielpbarron: well, the presentation is incomplete without such a demonstration

01:09:31 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Well, for someone the next few years are going to be rougher than the price as of late

01:09:34 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

01:09:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.98, Best ask: 299.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 66795.52283458, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 306.021103061

01:10:02 danielpbarron: lest the noobs in the audience go home and actually use their key in such an insecure manner

01:11:17 dignork: danielpbarron: well, most crypto-related presentation i've seen did not include faraday cage, while some would say it was a flaw, I'm just assuming "omitted for clarity"

01:11:47 danielpbarron: for the sake of argument that it is too cumbersome, he stilled used his real key

01:12:11 xanthyos: dude $305

01:12:12 jborkl: Bingoboingo, you think the price will continue sliding? Or nfi

01:12:37 xanthyos: so much for my $360 (10 double chai) prediction

01:13:07 BingoBoingo: jborkl: Well at some point it will stop sliding

01:13:07 *: xanthyos is always left holding the bag

01:13:15 TheNewDeal: I know dimsler won't like this, but the wall has returned

01:13:28 jborkl: Heh true..

01:14:00 TheNewDeal: #wallwatch

01:15:32 thickasthieves: hehe, people are eating the wall

01:16:10 TheNewDeal: love it

01:16:13 TheNewDeal: might have to take a bite

01:16:13 thickasthieves: such angel whale

01:16:18 dub: touch the furry wall

01:16:26 thickasthieves: $300 coins for all!

01:17:45 TheNewDeal: News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment"

01:18:48 dub: but he's been into bitcoin since 2000

01:19:17 mod6: heheh

01:20:36 thickasthieves: btce is above stamp now

01:20:42 thickasthieves: dem pesky 5%s

01:21:20 TheNewDeal: yes I'm curious why the whale is on stamp exclusively

01:21:36 thickasthieves: to be fair there are big wallers everywhere

01:21:44 thickasthieves: stamp might be chosen because no margin

01:21:59 TheNewDeal: no margin ?

01:22:06 dub: stamp is the new gox

01:22:16 dub: its where teh speculation forum is looking

01:22:18 thickasthieves: well on bitfinex you can buy 3.3:1

01:22:28 TheNewDeal: oh I gotcha

01:22:52 thickasthieves: and there are like 10k or so btc shorted that need to be covered there

01:22:53 xanthyos: stroke the furry walls

01:23:15 TheNewDeal: suprised that they didn't just bump it up like 1$ after 5k buys or whatever

01:23:29 thickasthieves: 12,000+ shorts actually

01:23:46 thickasthieves: well the guy has been selling for days

01:23:47 xanthyos: russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin

01:23:49 thickasthieves: maybe months

01:24:22 thickasthieves: really all this funkiness started just before the SR auction

01:24:30 thickasthieves: we bubbled in May

01:24:38 dub: I dont think wallguy is a seller

01:24:38 thickasthieves: went flat

01:24:45 thickasthieves: then down down down for mos

01:25:00 thickasthieves: ok ok we sound like reddites now

01:25:20 thickasthieves: fun times tho

01:27:45 TheNewDeal: please do explain dub

01:28:09 TheNewDeal: they're just in the process of eating up coins?

01:29:22 dub: ask reddit

01:31:09 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> well, that guy from ccn responded << which ?

01:31:59 cazalla: mircea_popescu, Kyle Torpey, the one that went on keiser spruiking auroracoin, ethereum etc

01:32:06 mircea_popescu: oh lol

01:32:24 mircea_popescu: how is he "from cnn" again ? i forget.

01:33:27 mircea_popescu: oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/chauncey/ <<< angry owlchick is pretty hawt

01:33:28 assbot: Chauncey, Earl of Gloom

01:33:28 cazalla: ccn as in cryptocoinsnews

01:33:44 dub: you have your irrelevant news outlets transposed

01:33:54 cazalla: ^^

01:35:09 mircea_popescu: wait, wut?

01:37:56 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: Did Al Gore invent the internet? << no but if the darpa derps were satoshi-minded they'd probably have referenced some pacific islanders as their inspiration just ot mess with people.

01:38:24 TheNewDeal: :D

01:38:39 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: -others // it's bad for Bitcoin << i doubt the airgapped bitcoin machine is all that common.

01:38:41 dub: could be why they got the coolest 2ld (co.ck)

01:39:15 mircea_popescu: cu.nt is cooler than di.ck

01:39:38 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: wouldn't have taken longer than the unnecessary detour into explaining some localbitcoin thing, which served only to confuse the audience as to how the WoT functions << you purist you.

01:40:51 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: News headline tomorrow "Tim Draper lasted a total of 4 months in the bitcoin-sphere, managing to lose approximately 70% of his original investment" << i wouldn't be worried about that, he's served the golden toilet empire, he's coming back.

01:41:07 mircea_popescu: shit, romney is still around. why'd draper go away.

01:41:32 mircea_popescu: dub: its where teh speculation forum is looking << this, pretty much.

01:54:29 dub: dat nick

02:05:01 TheNewDeal: ;;ident nezzario

02:05:01 gribble: Nick 'nezzario', with hostmask 'nezZario!~nez@unaffiliated/nezzario', is not identified.

02:14:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/american-green-to-continue-bitcoin-vending-machine-rollout/

02:28:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 165 @ 0.01025554 = 1.6922 BTC [-] {3}

02:30:53 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

02:30:54 gribble: 280343971.467

02:35:10 mircea_popescu: !up parfait

02:54:09 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

02:54:10 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.99, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 69682.98346975, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 305.387793681

02:54:30 ben_vulpes: was that 30k ask real life?

02:55:33 mircea_popescu: notrly.

02:55:42 mircea_popescu: our good friends the suckers of america running out.

02:55:58 mircea_popescu: hm maybe i misspelled "the people"

02:56:12 Dimsler: the ask was/is fake

02:56:15 Dimsler: it stopped the sell off

02:56:26 Dimsler: trading penny stock basics

02:56:43 Dimsler: he set the market and waited for a challenger

02:56:44 mircea_popescu: Dimsler the wall was on the sell side.

02:56:50 Dimsler: correct

02:57:21 Dimsler: but its premise could be to market make

02:58:55 Dimsler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_maker

02:58:55 assbot: Market maker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:59:24 Dimsler: i used to do this on cavritex

02:59:24 mats_cd03: lol

02:59:25 Dimsler: lol

02:59:56 mats_cd03: a wiki article

02:59:58 ben_vulpes: i...

03:00:09 Dimsler: right, what else did you want?

03:00:42 Apocalyptic: Dimsler, you're aware that here wikipedia is not particularly regarded as a worthy source of information ?

03:01:03 Dimsler: look

03:01:12 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mpif-fmpif-september-2014-statement/

03:01:18 Dimsler: i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them

03:01:18 *: ben_vulpes rotates head 180deg

03:01:34 mircea_popescu: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/law-3 << not a bad read, this.

03:01:35 assbot: Three Years on Rikers Without Trial

03:01:55 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many russians and how many chinese citizens are in prison for 3 years without a trial.

03:01:56 Dimsler: is this the black kid that they forgot about?

03:02:00 Dimsler: yeah i know

03:02:09 mircea_popescu: but something tells me that per capita, the us is like the worst human rights offender in africa

03:02:18 mircea_popescu: certainly not part of the first world.

03:02:59 Dimsler: the majority of the five eyes are human rights tramplers

03:03:04 mircea_popescu: <Dimsler> i usually proof read wikipedia articles before i post them << well the notion that market makers are a topic on which wikipedia has something to impart here.... okay :)

03:03:12 Dimsler: its ingrained in the anglo saxon mentality to trample rights

03:03:27 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot Dimsler

03:03:28 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler!~dimsler@ Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013

03:03:50 Dimsler: mircea_popescu, i was meerly posting as interest to novice inquirers on market makers

03:03:50 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i think i'm the guilty party. starting to get on yer nerves ?

03:04:06 Dimsler: not sure what the constant obession

03:04:10 Dimsler: with my wot is

03:04:23 ben_vulpes: it's a constant obsession with everyone's wot, Dimsler.

03:04:33 ben_vulpes: just curious.

03:04:42 ben_vulpes: sides, what do i know, i'm just the court jester

03:06:25 ben_vulpes: all of these social sites - engagement is via the "submit" button.

03:06:51 Dimsler: lol

03:07:30 mircea_popescu: fuck that shit im changing it.

03:07:50 ben_vulpes: i think it's nicely apropos.

03:08:39 ben_vulpes: also deviantart apparently lost their "prev" and "next" buttons.

03:09:20 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now fraudsters says send. pls to check it still worx.

03:09:30 Dimsler: can you change submit to capitulate

03:09:48 Dimsler: thats what most social media should have

03:09:50 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: looks good

03:10:13 ben_vulpes: oh no way

03:10:24 ben_vulpes: there's some retarded state management

03:10:37 ben_vulpes: navigate to galleries, get to a thing

03:10:41 ben_vulpes: *now* prev/next appears

03:10:47 ben_vulpes: this is an abuse of sessions, i tell you

03:11:46 Dimsler: buttons are archaic

03:11:49 Dimsler: its all about the swype

03:11:54 Dimsler: must swype

03:12:06 HeySteve: hey Dimseler, how do you know it's fake volume?

03:12:28 ben_vulpes: evening, Vexual

03:12:30 Dimsler: well it may very well not be fake volume

03:12:45 ben_vulpes: quit waffling Dimsler

03:12:58 Dimsler: shutup ben_vulpes

03:13:00 Vexual: good evening

03:13:03 Dimsler: theres only one thing guaranteed in life

03:13:13 Dimsler: everything else is speculation

03:13:19 HeySteve: sure. some guy wants out his position, he is saying "this is how much more I have to unload, the pain will continue until it's sold."

03:13:32 ben_vulpes: penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume

03:13:37 dub: thats pretty unlikely

03:13:38 HeySteve: now a larger whale is challenged to buy him out to protect his holdings

03:13:48 ben_vulpes: someone's a market maker, here have a wp link

03:13:54 Dimsler: he basically set the market at 300

03:13:57 Vexual: this is sparta!

03:14:03 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> penny stock basics, it is fake volume, it's not fake volume << just about.

03:14:38 Dimsler: plenty nefarious reasons to hang a large order out

03:14:44 Dimsler: whether its to stop a sell of

03:14:45 HeySteve: right, but it's $9m, I heard mentioned? probably someone has more to lose than $9m. if btc hits single digits, so probably someone will buy that much

03:15:04 Dimsler: he may also have alot of money

03:15:07 Dimsler: on the exchange in fiat

03:15:11 HeySteve: of course, it could be a fake. but markets are an interesting game for this reason

03:15:13 Dimsler: and is buying people coins

03:15:23 Dimsler: that are wanting to sell below $300

03:15:26 Dimsler: at $295 lets say

03:15:41 dub: hey gais, theres a for this buttcointalk.org/adhd oslt

03:15:46 dub: a forum too

03:15:47 mircea_popescu: ^

03:16:09 ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-pricetalk

03:16:17 Dimsler: get the fuck out here

03:16:22 Dimsler: what did you want to talk about?

03:16:22 mircea_popescu: ;;unrate Dimsler

03:16:25 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Dimsler.

03:16:25 mircea_popescu: !down Dimsler

03:16:27 ben_vulpes: !down Dimsler

03:16:43 mircea_popescu: not doing your reading in a groupo is not an excuse for not having done your reading

03:16:47 mircea_popescu: it's an aggravating circumstance.

03:16:59 ben_vulpes: dunno

03:17:02 ben_vulpes: not penny stocks, Dimsler

03:17:10 ben_vulpes: not price manip

03:17:14 Dimsler: i missed the groupo link somehow

03:17:27 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: can we do something about this rating lag?

03:17:35 ben_vulpes: and by we i mean you and also please

03:17:36 HeySteve: I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action?

03:17:54 HeySteve: (mentioned in btc circles, that is)

03:17:55 mircea_popescu: dude...

03:17:56 ben_vulpes: the price of bitcoin in whatever fiat whatever matters not one whit

03:18:09 mircea_popescu: this has got to be deliberate.

03:18:16 Dimsler: lol

03:18:18 TheNewDeal: !s heysteve

03:18:19 assbot: 1161 results for 'heysteve' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=heysteve

03:19:07 ben_vulpes: no, the spamgun shartup recruiter is deliberate

03:19:12 ben_vulpes: this is just stochastic bouncing

03:19:20 mircea_popescu: i guess.

03:19:31 HeySteve: ok no pricetalk then

03:19:49 mircea_popescu: HeySteve it's the approach not the topic that grates.

03:20:21 Dimsler: no you're just being an asshole

03:20:54 mircea_popescu: that also, but unrelatedly.

03:21:05 ben_vulpes: yes it is, no it's not, up is down unless the whale is pink

03:21:18 ben_vulpes: walls to the left, but it's a sell day, peg the price, gag me with a fork

03:21:53 mircea_popescu: %d

03:21:54 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305626.20 in 519 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.73

03:21:55 ben_vulpes: head and shoulders means a 260 bottom (i'll show you a bottom worth 260), sr, fucking vc's, tim draper

03:22:12 mircea_popescu: that shit sure feels like forever.

03:22:30 Apocalyptic: ^

03:22:37 Vexual: %tslb

03:22:38 atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45849): 0 hour(s), 13 minutes

03:22:57 ben_vulpes: ;;bcstats

03:22:59 gribble: Current Blocks: 324053 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 522 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35104507259.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.27831

03:23:16 HeySteve: that's all very well, but bitbets are announced here. they seem like similar propositions, will price go up or down?

03:23:41 TheNewDeal: I usually find an animal, slice in two, read the entrails

03:23:49 TheNewDeal: give's a pretty good prediction

03:23:57 Dimsler: lol thats from south park

03:24:10 TheNewDeal: it's from history

03:24:12 TheNewDeal: they actually did it

03:24:22 HeySteve: the roman augurs and soothsayers, yeah

03:24:27 Dimsler: lol ok yes

03:24:52 TheNewDeal: has there been a SP that referenced bitcoin?

03:25:01 Dimsler: neg

03:25:02 HeySteve: flight of birds, guts of goats, sounds cleaner to specialise in bird flight if that's your thing

03:25:04 Dimsler: only simpsons

03:25:08 ben_vulpes: there are more things in heaven and earth Dimsler than are derped of in south park

03:25:09 dub: dude never read asterix comics?

03:25:36 mircea_popescu: i don't think they have that french pinko commie stuff in the us of a

03:25:47 Dimsler: the south park episodes premise was based on the fall of the roman empire

03:26:05 Dimsler: i am pointing out as modern satire

03:26:19 HeySteve: it's ironic when modern americans address the decline of rome

03:26:21 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://www.powells.com/s?kw=asterix&class= << au contraire

03:26:24 assbot: Search Results - Powell's Books

03:26:32 mircea_popescu: a nm

03:26:46 thickasthieves: <+HeySteve> I'm listening to Antifragile audio book atm. heard it mentioned bitcoin is antifragile, could it be said to be antifragile to price action? /// yep, pretty much everything is good for bitcoin

03:26:54 ben_vulpes: although i never bought 'em, i just took them to the cafe in powells and read them there

03:26:54 thickasthieves: reddit thinks this is a joke

03:27:00 thickasthieves: but its funny cuz its true

03:27:14 HeySteve: sure, the "this is actually good news" meme

03:27:33 thickasthieves: yep, it really is

03:27:47 thickasthieves: they think it's ironic cuz the news' relation to price

03:27:47 HeySteve: well the drop will clean out some of the silliest, so there's that

03:28:16 thickasthieves: what's good for bitcoin isnt always good for price

03:28:50 thickasthieves: i do think this is having a calibrating effect and the seller is doing a service to btc

03:28:59 TheNewDeal: nice little 1200 chunk outta that wall, for those interested of course (dimsler)

03:29:20 TheNewDeal: explain

03:29:48 thickasthieves: i meant it pretty broadly, lots of examples

03:29:57 Dimsler: lol

03:30:02 thickasthieves: the exchange price disceprencies are reset

03:30:07 Dimsler: ofcourse hes doing everyone a favour

03:30:09 thickasthieves: weak hands lost coins

03:30:15 thickasthieves: etc

03:30:45 thickasthieves: and the price will likely spike *after* he's done selling

03:30:59 thickasthieves: such saintliness

03:31:02 ben_vulpes: classic oscillator.

03:31:10 Dimsler: well he basically masks everyones weak hand

03:31:15 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/XJCZKt6.jpg

03:31:18 ben_vulpes: people model this shit with oscillators, right?

03:31:25 TheNewDeal: loving the bingoboingo art tonight

03:31:28 thickasthieves: lol bingo

03:31:37 BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: Found linked on reddit

03:31:44 BingoBoingo: Not my original work

03:32:03 The20YearIRCloud: heh

03:32:47 HeySteve: that's pretty good

03:34:10 Dimsler: lol reddit

03:34:16 Dimsler: collection of vile scum

03:34:21 Dimsler: http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Bitcoin-Unlocking-Digital-Crypto-Currencies/dp/1449374042

03:34:22 assbot: Mastering Bitcoin: Unlocking Digital Crypto-Currencies: Andreas M. Antonopoulos: 9781449374044: Amazon.com: Books

03:34:25 Dimsler: oh look andreas has a book out now

03:34:43 ben_vulpes: you're late, Dimsler qntra already covered it

03:34:47 TheNewDeal: there was an article that touched on it earlier

03:35:06 TheNewDeal: dimsler https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z

03:35:06 assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip

03:35:06 ben_vulpes: this whole doing your reading thing may be distasteful but it's not optional

03:35:17 Dimsler: oh for fuck sakes

03:35:26 ben_vulpes: it's pretty simple

03:35:31 ben_vulpes: !s antonopolous

03:35:32 assbot: 13 results for 'antonopolous' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=antonopolous

03:35:48 ben_vulpes: also search.bitcoin-assets.com

03:35:55 TheNewDeal: has he ever made an appearance in #ba?

03:36:13 Dimsler: no

03:36:18 The20YearIRCloud: we should have around a 17% dividend this cycle

03:36:19 Dimsler: hes afraid of mircea_popescu killing him

03:36:27 The20YearIRCloud: based on usd/btc prices

03:37:05 TheNewDeal: who is the "we" you're speaking of the20yearircloud ?

03:37:12 Vexual: rent

03:37:16 The20YearIRCloud: rentalstarter

03:37:24 The20YearIRCloud: on havelock

03:37:30 Vexual: annnualizzzzed?

03:37:37 The20YearIRCloud: yes

03:37:52 The20YearIRCloud: based on .005 share price

03:38:28 Vexual: whats that like half pc on the average?

03:39:03 ben_vulpes: <Dimsler> no << how would you know?

03:39:15 Dimsler: well fuck

03:39:23 Dimsler: i've been here since early 2013?

03:39:43 Dimsler: haven't heard anyone mention him ever since mircea_popescu twattered that he was going to kill him

03:40:08 ben_vulpes: > ever

03:40:10 ben_vulpes: > 2013

03:40:11 ben_vulpes: mhm

03:40:29 Dimsler: lol

03:40:53 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud shouldn't it be based on 0.0075 ?

03:41:22 The20YearIRCloud: on 0075 its around 10%

03:41:27 ben_vulpes: haha

03:41:32 The20YearIRCloud: .005 was our original ipo price

03:41:33 ben_vulpes: yeah how do you calculate a price for RENT

03:41:44 ben_vulpes: it's market until you need more cash then you freeze it

03:41:56 ben_vulpes: "but our investors are cool with it broski!"

03:42:17 The20YearIRCloud: this last one was specifically requested by our largest investor so he could buy shares. I tried to do it outside of havelock but they wouldn't let me

03:42:42 BingoBoingo: Priorities >> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/05/2124205/linux-317-kernel-released-with-xbox-one-controller-support

03:42:42 assbot: Linux 3.17 Kernel Released With Xbox One Controller Support - Slashdot

03:42:45 Vexual: The20YearIRCloud: When do you expect to start servicing loans?

03:43:01 The20YearIRCloud: we aleady have one loan

03:43:24 The20YearIRCloud: unless youre talking npns

03:43:32 Vexual: are you using the money yet?

03:43:34 ben_vulpes: he couldn't buy shares at market?

03:43:38 The20YearIRCloud: yes\

03:43:46 The20YearIRCloud: no shares at market were going to the company

03:43:53 The20YearIRCloud: and his investment would have increased price to around .02

03:44:07 ben_vulpes: so you fucked everyone else.

03:44:42 ben_vulpes: well done.

03:45:02 dub: its called QE ben_vulpes

03:45:09 dub: it halps ok

03:45:26 The20YearIRCloud: Those wanting to sell below .0075 have been cleared already, and i've made it well known throuh investor communication that we had originally planned on selling more shares at the 2nd round IPO price at some time in the future

03:46:32 Vexual: is labour gonna get more expensive if you grow?

03:46:42 ben_vulpes: how is this any different from printing dollars?

03:46:46 ben_vulpes: or pesos?

03:46:59 dub: no different to mpif

03:47:23 The20YearIRCloud: Vexual: maybe

03:47:33 Dimsler: ben_vulpes, or they could just keep your bitcoins instead

03:47:37 Dimsler: with bots that manipulate the exchange

03:47:49 The20YearIRCloud: not a huge need for more IPOs, the reason for this last one was so the speicfic investor could fund a very specific property that had a good return

03:47:56 The20YearIRCloud: plenty of that already Dimsler

03:48:06 Dimsler: oh ofcourse there is

03:48:06 ben_vulpes: more ipos

03:48:07 Dimsler: lol

03:48:08 ben_vulpes: jesus shit

03:48:13 dub: Dimsler: there is such a thing as putting down the shovel

03:50:11 The20YearIRCloud: my hope was $100k cash + $100k LOC and then set aside the money 50/50 for flips & rental renovations so we'd always have money for a flip, which hasn't been the case since last July

03:50:54 ben_vulpes: i want a "feed me live baby rats" shirt

03:51:23 ben_vulpes: most recent oglaf has inspired peals (i tell you PEALS) of laughter around her

03:51:25 ben_vulpes: here*

03:51:35 ben_vulpes: anyways, night scammers

03:51:53 Vexual: with the latest offering, what btc price kills your growth?

03:52:17 The20YearIRCloud: Really has no effect, but the BTC yield will look crummy at $2500 or more per BTC

03:52:25 dub: ur killing my growth Vexual

03:53:26 Duffer1: btc skyrockets, us real estate corrects = /wrist?

03:54:07 Vexual: do you get paid in dollars The20YearIRCloud?

03:54:17 The20YearIRCloud: Yield will certanly go down, our equity position overall is pretty great when you factor our average BTC sell price. Big question is when does it correct, how far does the pricing drop? We're still about 20% lower than peaks

03:54:19 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah

03:55:17 Vexual: what did you sell the latest offering @?

03:55:40 Vexual: must have fucked your arerage

03:55:44 The20YearIRCloud: Haven't yet :( , HL has been slow on transfering BTC to us, so there's been some exposure to loss due to the massive decrease in BTC price

03:56:05 The20YearIRCloud: Our average overall will stand at something like $400/btc though, including the original 1,000 BTC we got on BF that was sold when BTC was around $80/btc

03:59:42 Vexual: havelock must be just about operating at a loss now

03:59:55 The20YearIRCloud: i knd of wonder

04:00:30 The20YearIRCloud: from my standpoint it doesnt matter, internally we are doing great

04:06:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00074357 = 19.5559 BTC [+] {2}

04:07:19 Vexual: when are you moving to the 70% wage?

04:07:48 The20YearIRCloud: don't know, talking to investors and there's a possibility i won't

04:08:18 The20YearIRCloud: right now i can go to 70% on mill & logan, but instead i've personally been taking around a 25%-30% wage and just putting the rest of it back into the company account

04:08:23 Vexual: 53 is fairly handsome

04:08:39 The20YearIRCloud: havent been taking irt

04:08:42 The20YearIRCloud: *it

04:08:58 Vexual: makes sense

04:09:11 The20YearIRCloud: ive been taking 750-1000/mo this year out of an allowed $1500-$3500

04:09:17 Vexual: i assume you're a shareholder tooo

04:09:21 The20YearIRCloud: yes

04:09:52 The20YearIRCloud: i've put almost all my btc/liquid buying stock back overlast week

04:15:21 Vexual: "putting it back into the company account" this means you gift it to the company?

04:15:59 Vexual: or can you take it back out again?

04:25:24 The20YearIRCloud: i'm tallying the difference, figure some day when company is flush with cash i'll cash out

04:25:59 The20YearIRCloud: but i dont plan on really taking anything out, too much incentive for me to do that

04:26:26 Vexual: i could hear your calculator from here

04:27:47 The20YearIRCloud: its on the spreadsheet

04:33:40 thickasthieves: for a while the coinbase price was same as bitstamp, 300

04:33:46 thickasthieves: now it's 1% higher

04:33:57 thickasthieves: even though bitstamp wall is still there

04:34:13 thickasthieves: lil skimmers

04:34:35 thickasthieves: its all good though, now they wont get 1% from me

04:34:54 thickasthieves: (was gonna arb)

04:37:45 TheNewDeal: on shitstamp, if someone has 15000 coins at 300, and then I place 1 coin @ 300, how do they choose which coin is purchased? First come first serve?

04:38:36 thickasthieves: yes

04:38:46 thickasthieves: have to wait in line

04:38:53 thickasthieves: so sell for 299.99

04:39:14 asciilifeform: re: DARPA obfuscator grants << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481151

04:39:16 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.

04:40:04 asciilifeform: and, in general:

04:40:12 asciilifeform: !s homomorphic

04:40:13 assbot: 23 results for 'homomorphic' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=homomorphic

04:41:15 mircea_popescu: wtf vexual is now like doing financial auditing

04:41:20 mircea_popescu: how long have i been away!

04:41:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: An eternity in cointime

04:41:39 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

04:41:41 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.41, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 299.42, 24 hour volume: 72840.32833589, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 339.43, 24 hour vwap: 304.241790685

04:42:03 mircea_popescu: 73k eh.

04:42:05 TheNewDeal: really now

04:42:33 asciilifeform: there's a reason no one but usg funds the 'homomorphic' work. it is - their wet dream.

04:51:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10524 @ 0.00074236 = 7.8126 BTC [-]

05:07:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074236 = 9.5764 BTC [-]

05:12:08 thickasthieves: http://blog.okcoin.com/2014/10/06/who-is-leading-the-bitcoin-price-change/

05:12:10 assbot: Who is Leading the Bitcoin Price Change – OKCoin Blog

05:12:15 thickasthieves: "As I am writing this, BitStamp & BTC-e prices (300) are 3% lower than OKCoin (311) and other Chinese exchanges, indicating users outside of China are driving down the prices, and China is following the price drop. Simple as that!"

05:12:39 thickasthieves: so i guess its okcoin's stamp wall

05:13:28 Vexual: i still say its sparta

05:14:52 thickasthieves: this is

05:18:28 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

05:18:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 300.0, vol: 74725.66270778 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 303.33, vol: 24330.77289 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 309.76, vol: 91335.63288959 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 309.99, vol: 109.04095822 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 309.718512, vol: 76657.88270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 304.9, vol: 53.23614283 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 327.997737405, vol: 150.19677005 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

05:23:14 xanthyos: BingoBoingo: why is thedrinkingrecord down?

05:23:32 BingoBoingo: xanthyos: Hosting company messing with servers

05:24:08 xanthyos: wow

05:24:30 thickasthieves: coinbase price 312 now

05:24:38 thickasthieves: fukn asshats

05:26:17 thickasthieves: lol that Circle test i wanted to do a few days ago, they said my purchase "failed"

05:27:01 thickasthieves: Status: Canceled

05:27:05 thickasthieves: thats all the info

05:29:00 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/2-bitcoin-users-who-decided-to-break-bad/

05:29:53 thickasthieves: Circle price is 304 +8.82 in fees fwiw...

05:37:11 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: You know unlike silver this seems the perfect way to break JP Morgan. Buy BTC with credit cards, send to external address default on the card.

05:37:43 thickasthieves: yeah pretty good leak

05:38:03 thickasthieves: bitcoin is proof that black holes exist

05:38:07 thickasthieves: :)

05:38:36 Vexual: spend the next 8 years chillin with ross

05:45:23 *: Vexual likes qntra.net : telling me shit i din't know

05:46:49 punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20223.0

05:46:49 assbot: Stockgeneration.com The Forgotten Lessons We Learned & Mt Gox.

06:04:51 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

06:04:52 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.99, Best ask: 300.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 300.0, 24 hour volume: 75859.24168345, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 303.733033662

06:07:16 Duffer1: lower than btce i

06:07:23 Duffer1: i don' think i've ever seen that before

06:08:33 cazalla: happened a few times this year

06:14:27 RagnarDanneskjol: !s tea leaves

06:14:28 assbot: 12 results for 'tea leaves' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tea+leaves

06:21:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35156 @ 0.0007423 = 26.0963 BTC [-] {2}

06:24:38 Vexual: im with tat, i think this 300 wall is designed to have some kind of glvanizing effect

06:25:26 Vexual: not like the galvanic scale, but, like, you know

06:26:02 RagnarDanneskjol: designed by whom

06:26:10 Vexual: like the chemical boothers song

06:33:07 Vexual: i really have no idea

06:36:46 RagnarDanneskjol: https://blockchain.info/charts/miners-revenue

06:36:46 assbot: Bitcoin Miners Revenue

06:38:41 Vexual: when exactly did they change the algo from gpu to asic?

06:39:23 dub: wat

06:39:29 RagnarDanneskjol: yea wat

06:39:36 Vexual: wait, how does that chart work?

06:40:11 RagnarDanneskjol: its just an estimate of total net revenue capture by miners i believe

06:40:20 Vexual: i might be thinking of the eclectricity one

06:40:28 RagnarDanneskjol: algo has always been the same

06:40:59 Vexual: so its a price chart?

06:41:22 RagnarDanneskjol: no, more like a profit chart

06:42:34 RagnarDanneskjol: this might be more relevant https://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin

06:42:34 assbot: Bitcoin Mining Operating Margin

06:43:41 Vexual: -50k%sounds like gpu calcs to me

06:45:46 Vexual: but hey if the shit works, why change it right?

06:46:32 RagnarDanneskjol: mmm anyone mining with gpu at this point would be operating at massive loss, so doubt that contributes much to the miner stats

06:48:43 Vexual: yeah about -50000%

06:49:25 Vexual: those charts are borked

06:49:42 RagnarDanneskjol: probably

07:06:17 Vexual: actually, if you fix the second one, and compare it to the first one, you might get something interesting

07:13:36 Vexual: bigpicturemining would be the crew to talk to

07:13:42 Vexual: irk

07:14:53 Vexual: making a collection of every asic released, dates, cost, j/w hash/$ volume etc

07:18:28 Vexual: jouls per wot? 300 gone

07:22:39 []bot: Bet placed: 1.05760644 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.3742731 BTC. Current weight: 92,528.

07:23:18 Duffer1: hehe every last satoshi that guy had

07:23:29 Vexual: tell me about it

07:24:45 punkman: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/05/square-raises-150-million-at-a-6-billion-valuation/

07:26:54 Duffer1: "Square, a six-year-old start-up, spent much of its early years giving away free credit card readers to small and medium-sized businesses, asking for 2.75 percent of each transaction"

07:27:32 Vexual: fucking square wheel more like

07:27:43 Duffer1: well said

07:28:13 Duffer1: 2.75% is obscene

07:28:15 Vexual: ty

07:28:48 Vexual: so is carrying another dohickey to sell your wares at the local market

07:29:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.0007424 = 12.361 BTC [+]

07:29:32 Vexual: 150m, why?

07:29:44 Duffer1: i would neverrrr let some random asshat at a market scan a card

07:29:55 Duffer1: here, please commit every fraud you can think of

07:29:57 Vexual: with a skimmer

07:30:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0007424 = 3.3779 BTC [+]

07:30:12 punkman: http://localregister.amazon.com/

07:30:13 assbot: Amazon Local Register - Accept credit and debit cards on your Fire, iPhone, iPad, or Android device.

07:31:11 Vexual: theres a scoop cazalla, the 150m card skimmer

07:32:07 Vexual: doesnt even fucking blootuth

07:35:32 Vexual: perhaps something got left out of the story, but prolly not

07:35:47 Duffer1: shartup

07:36:45 Vexual: ooh

07:38:10 Vexual: cmon that must be wrong, like the minercost chart on blackchain.info, just because its the ny times doesnt mean they haven't left out some vital component of the truth

07:42:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 125 @ 0.00984244 = 1.2303 BTC [-] {4}

07:45:29 Vexual: i see yo uagree duffer, i just like to channel bb sometimes

07:45:42 Duffer1: hehe

08:00:09 Vexual: asciilifeform: do you know anything about spiNNaker?

08:01:32 Vexual: perhaps something like this will be brave enough to invent perpect homomorphic encryption

08:21:43 Vexual: u rhink i may have confused dp with pb

08:21:55 Vexual: *i think

08:24:44 Vexual: so its danielpbarron and pete_dushenski

08:26:24 Vexual: and julia t isn't the same that wore the "my 6990 makes it rain" t

08:31:57 Vexual: and namworld and naphex are entirely different entities

08:35:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00074431 = 21.1384 BTC [+]

08:42:30 Naphex: hi o/

08:43:23 Vexual: the more boss twin

08:45:38 Vexual: excuse the fact i summoned you, i was working trhu some dixleksia

08:45:43 Vexual: whats new

08:47:14 Vexual: its like the intro to windowlicker

08:48:24 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBS4Gi1y_nc

08:49:55 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

08:49:56 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 322.61, Best ask: 326.49, Bid-ask spread: 3.88000, Last trade: 322.58, 24 hour volume: 94647.98592502, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 303.726283925

08:55:28 BingoBoingo: Ask wall consumed.

08:55:52 BingoBoingo: https://imgur.com/g9nnuSi

08:55:52 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

09:02:58 Vexual: prolly loaded

09:03:48 Vexual: on his way to macau

09:06:48 Vexual: how many dollars was it?

09:06:58 Vexual: 6 milly?

09:07:41 Vexual: guy like that could stay for years before he ends up in the opium dens

09:08:50 BingoBoingo: Maybe up to 9 million. $3 million came to kill it in a minute. http://instagram.com/p/tzgottjwBZ/

09:08:50 assbot: Instagram

09:09:52 Vexual: foods better up on the hill

09:14:33 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitcoin-prices-dip-under-300-rebound/

09:15:05 Vexual: fuck you guys really are reworking coindesk

09:16:33 Vexual: just with fresher shit, pwnd

09:17:02 BingoBoingo: Vexual: I'm still working into a rhythm, but that's the aim.

09:17:25 Vexual: instagram is all java nd shit

09:17:43 Vexual: migth wanna stel the vid and host it

09:18:36 BingoBoingo: Well that dude made the authoritative video record. Maybe someone invites him here and in the future he considers saner hosting for his works.

09:21:21 Vexual: steal and link

09:21:59 Vexual: mp4 dl with a screenshot, voila youtube

09:23:04 Vexual: wehn you're getting 10k hits, get 10 in

09:23:41 Vexual: or not

09:24:11 Vexual: anoraks can go around on their own, it's prolly good business

09:26:12 Vexual: but if youre doing html 1.0, like you know

09:28:02 BingoBoingo: http://videos-g-14.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xaf1/10724316_347577092084614_254283947_n.mp4

09:28:12 Vexual: voila

09:28:33 Vexual: so anorack

09:30:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31239 @ 0.00074247 = 23.194 BTC [-] {2}

09:31:01 Vexual: now i can see i ton my nintendo ds

09:31:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.0007417 = 7.8249 BTC [-] {2}

09:32:21 Vexual: if it works on opera...

09:32:51 Vexual: i dunno what, but any cat can see it

09:38:13 cazalla: BingoBoingo omfg "ask wall's life can to an end"

09:38:44 BingoBoingo: fixed

09:40:01 BingoBoingo: News shouldn't happen when I wake up for my midsleep snack

09:45:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1006 @ 0.00074431 = 0.7488 BTC [+]

09:55:54 punkman: so I read a lot of electrum's code and now I'm sad

09:56:36 BingoBoingo: damn

09:57:24 Vexual: why sad?

09:57:25 punkman: I got it working at least, I think

09:58:43 punkman: oh wait there's a /tests/ dir, I missed that

09:59:45 punkman: wasn't there in 1.9.8

10:03:10 punkman: v2 will be better

10:14:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/andreas-schildbach-releases-4-0-version-of-bitcoin-wallet-for-android/

10:16:32 Vexual: that qntra sure is low on bullshit, it's all facts

10:17:01 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Well the point for now is clean stuff. Turd Free.

10:17:24 Vexual: it's good

10:17:50 BingoBoingo: Or at least when a turd is newsworth the coverage is free of introducing fresh turds

10:20:19 Duffer1: i read the BRO article and was shocked

10:20:33 Duffer1: zero snark

10:21:06 Duffer1: the author must have an iron will

10:24:35 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: cazalla covered that.

10:25:06 Duffer1: it's good

10:25:20 BingoBoingo: cazalla: The fearless and serious Leader of qntra

10:25:34 Duffer1: so are you still doing your own blog or is it a merged effort?

10:26:38 Vexual: this ones a newspaper, blogs are for little girls

10:27:13 Vexual: and hipsters

10:27:30 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I'm still doing my own blog where I still do editorial sort of commentary and stuff I find interesting

10:27:30 Vexual: or are newspapers for hipsters?

10:28:02 BingoBoingo: I though hipsters had tumblrs

10:28:55 Vexual: newspaper men get paid, eventually

10:29:24 Vexual: or was that the 60s?

10:31:11 Vexual: usually by some unexpected mechanism

10:31:57 Vexual: it goes by the name of success

10:36:26 Vexual: ive gone all noir

10:37:04 Vexual: she tells me it's on her tumbler, like she think i know what that is

10:38:19 Vexual: listen doll, i know a lot of things, but im hungry

10:41:58 Vexual: no, steak

10:47:20 Vexual: i rode in the front, i was done with talking and i was only picking up half the conversation, and in any case, i didnt know the driver, and I wanted to keep an ey eon him

10:49:52 BingoBoingo: My favorite part of this gritty noir Vexual is that I can't tell if your story is fiction

10:52:07 RagnarDanneskjol: doesnt matter

10:56:52 Vexual: apparentyl you're not supposed to smoke here, two whisky sours and a table at the back

10:57:19 Vexual: thats service

11:01:32 Vexual: they dont know me here, and neither does she

11:01:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074447 = 7.9658 BTC [+]

11:03:53 BingoBoingo: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man6/bs.6

11:04:02 BingoBoingo: Time to go back to sleep

11:04:25 Vexual: phew i thought id have to come up with some dialogue

11:12:29 Vexual: id woken up late, the portugese was the first clue, but now i see a game of battleship in progress in the light at the front

11:12:35 Vexual: "brazil?"

11:13:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00074383 = 7.4383 BTC [-] {2}

11:15:03 Vexual: she wasn't talking abou ttumbler a all

11:15:50 Vexual: two more whisky sor, and something for the lady

11:24:18 Vexual: i pored a glass of riorja for myself as my steak smoked from the kitchen

11:25:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47480 @ 0.00074459 = 35.3531 BTC [+] {2}

11:38:53 Vexual: she spoke something about her father and the resurant before i hear the word that snapped me from my coma

11:40:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10211 @ 0.00074483 = 7.6055 BTC [+] {2}

11:40:50 Vexual: id decided it was a word

11:41:32 Vexual: but tonight i knew it was a name

11:44:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.00960012 = 0.528 BTC [+]

11:47:40 thickasthieves: was the name Ava?

11:47:55 thickasthieves: Doris?

11:47:55 Vexual: okay

11:50:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25007 @ 0.00074565 = 18.6465 BTC [+]

11:52:08 fluffypony: Fluffypony?

11:52:26 Vexual: you come in later

11:52:29 fluffypony: score!

11:53:56 thickasthieves: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2014/10/05/krugmania-as-bitcoins-price-falls-the-nyt-pundit-takes-a-very-premature-victory-lap/

11:53:57 assbot: Krugmania: As Bitcoin's Price Falls, The NYT Pundit Takes A (Very?) Premature Victory Lap - Forbes

12:01:10 Vexual: that reads like it'd trasnlate well into mandarin

12:03:13 thickasthieves: lol

12:03:19 Vexual: no joke

12:05:02 Vexual: possibly too well

12:05:32 Vexual: keyphrases stick out

12:15:06 Vexual: perhaps im just distrustful of forbes

12:15:39 mircea_popescu: ah brother, what a night.

12:15:53 Vexual: what happened?

12:16:11 mircea_popescu: i have that distinct feeling experienced by the commander of a relief unit upon taking over at 8am the utterly battered but holding units of the nightguard regiment, surrouinded by a pile of corpses as high as the battlements

12:16:18 mircea_popescu: fucking love the smell of napalm in the morning.

12:16:32 Vexual: sat agent orange right?

12:16:49 mircea_popescu: sure.

12:16:54 mats_cd03: not a lot of things translate well to mandarin

12:17:12 mircea_popescu: also sure.

12:21:42 Vexual: damn he got fucked good

12:21:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00074579 = 12.7903 BTC [+] {3}

12:27:14 Vexual: you okay boss?

12:28:08 *: Vexual makes coffee

12:31:59 mircea_popescu: %d

12:32:11 mircea_popescu: o i see how it is.

12:33:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00074173 = 5.4146 BTC [-]

12:34:13 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evmb3XR5280

12:35:24 mircea_popescu: no, moarlike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KCnoOzrA1o

12:35:24 assbot: Pavarotti La Donna e Mobile Moscow 1964 - YouTube

12:37:48 Vexual: now theres a man that likes an aritchoke or two

12:39:17 Vexual: he look better without a beard

12:42:04 BingoBoingo: You know it's fitting that Oreilly's animal department sorts Andreas's work as the "Ant Book"

12:42:22 mircea_popescu: lol


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12:42:33 BingoBoingo: cTHjgce6q42xKwsJWmQF9ck7JG1z/SO+om02q4MPS2nYTyFvQ3Q2lSCCo4GwVbx2NqVPW8UQp6uGoTNuQ1+5/6x7tvF222i+rm86825JwcHWmPDbw7qrFbVy7fBktzoZDsFvqiLywIKFE6u7nG3PjFV1x913PKOKVlRUcneTvNaSTfQ6wjCTf4qx45WV4RuH9a7+anKyvCNw/rXfzVilawR2OmVT2RnlZXhG4f1rv5qcrK8I3D+td/NWKUwR2GVT2RnlZXhG4f1rv5qcrK8I3D+td/NWKUwR2GVT2RnlZXhG4f1rv5qcrK8I3D+td/NWKUwR2GVT2RnlZXhG4f1rv5qcrK8I3D+td/NWKUwR2GVT2RnlZXhG4f1rv5qcrK8I3D+td/NWKUwR2GVT2RnlZXhG4f1rv5qcrK8I3D+td/NWKUwR2G

12:42:40 BingoBoingo: VT2RnlZXhG4f1rv5qcrK8I3D+td/NWKUwR2GVT2RnlZXhG4f1rv5qcrK8I3D+td/NWKUwR2GVT2RnlZXhG4f1rv5qcrK8I3D+td/NWKUwR2GVT2R9I0ZsEGdo/FkyVzXHVg6yjPf29seC6lf2VtXCb/8AISPz1r0N9y0P4KvtGpyvBPuZ+dqq1SX2VyVb49tdDMbldRSdY8o8tw53b1Enm3UrqvPfaPJj1mlYMGdFfaMfGpP37lTFQ+ivtGPjUn79ypmqQgNI9F0aQusLXKUzyIIwEZznH4VEdjlJQEG6u6gOQnk9nrq7UraqSSsmd48RVgsKehR+xs1jHXNzHDkh+NZHscIG66O/N/rV3pVzZ7mubreRSOxujwo582PxrPY4RnPXV3Pk/wBau1KZs9xzdbcpB9jds77o4eb/AEx+NY7GrXhJf

12:42:45 BingoBoingo: zQ/GrxSmbPcvN1l/Io/Y1a8JL+aH407GrXhJfzQ/GrxSmbPcc5X8ij9jVrwkv5ofjTsateEl/ND8avFKZs9xzlfyKP2NWvCS/mh+NOxq14SX80Pxq8Upmz3HOV/Io/Y1a8JL+aH407GrXhJfzQ/GrxSmbPcc5X8ij9jVrwkv5ofjTsateEl/ND8avFKZs9xzlfyKP2NWvCS/mh+NOxq14SX80Pxq8Upmz3HOV/Io/Y1a8JL+aH407GrXhJfzQ/GrxSmbPcc5X8ij9jVrwkv5ofjTsateEl/ND8avFKZs9xzlfyKP2NWvCS/m

12:42:49 BingoBoingo: What the fuck Amazon

12:44:00 mircea_popescu: o.O

12:44:33 BingoBoingo: !up Diablo-D3

12:44:35 Vexual: any more good voices mircea_popescu? im almost outta spanish wine

12:44:40 Diablo-D3: BingoBoingo: what part of it

12:44:48 Diablo-D3: like, you know what a data uri is right?

12:45:22 mircea_popescu: Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MrYuebMNmg

12:45:22 assbot: Maria Callas Opera Arias : La Traviata, Norma, Madama Butterfly, Lucia di Lammermoor & many others - YouTube

12:45:35 Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: speaking of which

12:45:52 Diablo-D3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC9Qh709gas

12:45:53 assbot: polyphonic overtone singing - Anna-Maria Hefele - YouTube

12:46:44 mircea_popescu: why do they do all this intro stuff.

12:46:53 mircea_popescu: first some random logos. then "hi im x and im going to do y"

12:47:31 mircea_popescu: but other than that she's ok.

12:48:43 Vexual: shit, coitus interuptus, but still

12:50:05 Vexual: she'd be good on the didgeridoo

12:52:25 Vexual: mot much magic in it tho

12:57:02 Vexual: maria callas id happily die to

13:00:47 BingoBoingo: Oh, Bloomberg explicitly does politics nao http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2014-10-05/can-america-root-for-a-town-that-cant-root-for-its-team

13:00:48 assbot: Can America Root for a Town That Can't Root for Its Team? - Bloomberg Politics

13:01:00 Diablo-D3: bloomberg is slowly becoming a real news outlet

13:01:02 Vexual: we had this converation

13:01:05 Diablo-D3: which Im honestly okay with

13:01:17 Diablo-D3: even if they just repeat the usual bullshit, we still need more of them

13:01:23 punkman: BingoBoingo: making website faster by embedding base64 encoded images in the HTML, just doesn't feel right

13:02:02 mircea_popescu: it's bad for caching at any rate.

13:02:52 mircea_popescu: if every time a browser asked for a fraudsters page it actually had to get all the images as base64 i'd have a major problem on my hands.

13:07:09 Diablo-D3: punkman: it depends entirely on what you're doing

13:07:16 Diablo-D3: like, you can shove that into css

13:07:18 Diablo-D3: and then cache the css

13:07:47 punkman: Diablo-D3: whether it feels right doesn't depend on anything

13:08:20 punkman: whether it works and how well, that's another matter

13:09:17 mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 the problem isn't the serverside caching, but the client side caches.

13:09:40 Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: erm, why do you think I was talking about serverside caching?

13:09:40 mircea_popescu: virtually all browsers know enough to not redld a navigation pic, but virtually all will re-dld the base64 blob

13:09:53 Diablo-D3: its about cutting down on the cost of http connection cost

13:10:12 Diablo-D3: its easier to base64 stuff for small images than it is to make explicit requests for them

13:10:22 Vexual: this is why pankakkke left

13:10:22 mircea_popescu: but the browser will only request them once.

13:10:29 mircea_popescu: Vexual quite possible.

13:10:36 Diablo-D3: its also why building sprite layouts are so damned nice

13:10:47 mircea_popescu: sigh.

13:10:53 mircea_popescu: the web is not an extension of cable tv.

13:11:04 Diablo-D3: Vexual: why, because this channel no longer serves its purpose? Ive been considering taking this off my autojoin

13:11:29 Vexual: no,

13:11:33 Vexual: o dunno

13:12:03 Vexual: i think he got shitty about some conversation or other

13:13:05 Vexual: hes prolly just got some shithot contracty eating up bullshittier bullhit and hell be back

13:14:55 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: 2.75% is obscene << i thought paypal was doing like 3.5

13:15:27 Apocalyptic: %d

13:15:28 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 305828.28 in 507 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.72

13:15:43 Apocalyptic: still 500 blocks, damn

13:16:07 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: i would neverrrr let some random asshat at a market scan a card << definitely. i don't understand all the geriatric derps giving away their card in like restaurants and whatnot. it's patent insanity, like a third of restaurant workers are on drugs, it's the junkie central. more so than jail.

13:16:32 mircea_popescu: and then you're going to give them the most broken implementation of pgp and let them be provately for fifteen minutes ?

13:16:33 mircea_popescu: nuts.

13:17:10 Duffer1: iirc paypal and square have the same rates

13:17:20 Duffer1: = too much

13:17:27 mircea_popescu: maybe pp went down to match. or maybe i;m way behind the times.

13:17:56 mircea_popescu: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?311025-aware-paypal-users-request-for-more-than-3-5-up-to-6-!!-fee-for-paypal

13:18:00 mircea_popescu: maybe not.

13:18:19 mircea_popescu: 2.9% + 30c

13:18:28 mircea_popescu: hi Naphex

13:19:06 Duffer1: ah 3.5 for manual entry (no reader)

13:19:14 punkman: I think it goes to 4% or so when I send "friends and family"

13:21:10 mircea_popescu: going to the records of the past 6 hours... dude it's great being on the side of the invincible doom.

13:23:01 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Fluffypony? << fluffypony!

13:23:04 Vexual: this is sparta!

13:23:08 fluffypony: AND MY AXE!

13:23:16 Vexual: your in son

13:23:46 BingoBoingo: Of course being the invicible doom is great. Have you seen the corpses the nightguard put up?

13:23:51 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2014/10/05/krugmania-as-bitcoins-price-falls-the-nyt-pundit-takes-a-very-premature-victory-lap/ <<< no "krugman derps on his times blog, then mp pens a fuck you post and then all hell breaks lose" ? i'd have preferred that approach.

13:23:52 assbot: Krugmania: As Bitcoin's Price Falls, The NYT Pundit Takes A (Very?) Premature Victory Lap - Forbes

13:23:59 mircea_popescu: if nothing else, it's truer to history.

13:26:55 punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i9prw/desperate_how_long_to_hold_out_what_would_you_do/

13:26:55 assbot: Desperate: How long to hold out / What would you do in my situation : Bitcoin

13:27:40 mircea_popescu: ahhh, what reddit's for.

13:27:58 kakobrekla: >but I chose to make this account because my girlfriend is a redditor too and I don't want to get any backlash by posting this on my main account.

13:27:59 kakobrekla: lol

13:28:23 punkman: "I cannot understand why this is happening. I made some serious money several times but for the past 6 months or so I have taken huge losses."

13:29:26 mircea_popescu: universal advice for all redditard problems : 1. quit reddit never to return ; 2. quit your current bs "job/studies" and get a real job ; 3. quit your current bs" relationship", spend a year celibate then get a real relationship ; 4. stop saying high to your current "friends"

13:29:29 Vexual: do you forbes fluffypony? you're the funniest cunt on this hemisphere

13:29:42 mircea_popescu: punkman yeah srsly i wonder why this is happening.

13:29:57 fluffypony: Vexual: Forbes? like the magazine?

13:30:08 Vexual: no like trolling the bloggers

13:30:18 mircea_popescu: Vexual fluffypony is not the funniest cunt, kakobrekla is the funniest cunt.

13:30:30 punkman: different hemispheres

13:30:31 Vexual: is he southern hemisphere?

13:30:38 mircea_popescu: ow shit.

13:30:50 punkman: wait isn't Somalia in the south one

13:30:53 mircea_popescu: pwned by geometry in my own web of longitudes

13:31:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google is somalia even a real cuntry

13:31:13 gribble: Piracy in Somalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia; History of Somalia (1991–2006) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Somalia_(1991%E2%80%932006); Why is Somalia still even called a "country"? - Democratic Underground: (1 more message)

13:31:22 kakobrekla: lolk

13:31:29 punkman: guess it's right above the line

13:31:39 mircea_popescu: i got the answer to that, dear democratic underground. IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE WORLD WORKS!

13:31:51 Vexual: kakobrekla IS FROM SOMALIA?

13:31:56 mircea_popescu: no

13:32:01 mircea_popescu: but somalia is from kakobrekla

13:32:11 Vexual: bitchin

13:32:27 mircea_popescu: we totally need someone from nigeria incidentally. anyone know a nigerian ?

13:32:35 BingoBoingo: Wait, I thought kakobrekla was the funniest cock, but sounds like tits...

13:32:40 mircea_popescu: preferably a banging euro chick, 1m80 with blue eyes

13:32:43 mircea_popescu: but i'd settle for less.

13:32:44 *: Vexual puts his hand up

13:33:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe throw it in the orderbook?

13:33:31 Vexual: i can get you 10money washin email sending nigerians here tommorrow

13:33:47 mats_cd03: kako is from slovakia

13:33:57 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 nuh-uh.

13:34:02 mircea_popescu: he's from slovenly

13:34:06 mats_cd03: huk

13:34:20 mircea_popescu: jurov is from slovakia

13:34:33 mats_cd03: o rite

13:34:36 mats_cd03: ;;ud huk

13:34:37 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Huk | Words related to Huk ... huk huk huk dood my ugly fat cuzzin isnt cummin ova tho otay? ... -fuk naw, thats skoo iz hella (huk), n i aint tryna get shot. by jr_inc.

13:34:37 mircea_popescu: (albeit the difference is nigg-legible)

13:36:29 Vexual: you're fuckin with my dislexia now

13:37:36 mircea_popescu: ;;seen JuliaTourianski

13:37:36 gribble: JuliaTourianski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <JuliaTourianski> that's one of the best reactions I've gotten. at least they're not discussing what i look like.

13:37:46 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell JuliaTourianski oi!

13:37:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:38:50 RagnarDanneskjol: imma see her at the vegas thing later today

13:40:34 mircea_popescu: tell her to say hi

13:40:53 RagnarDanneskjol: i'll give her a big wet kiss for you

13:44:15 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

13:44:21 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 325.0, vol: 93573.34211630 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 326.534, vol: 25927.10737 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 332.5, vol: 89113.6403918 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 325.26, vol: 121.4857689 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 332.873904, vol: 79006.44170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 337.48812, vol: 64.31767626 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 326.248, vol: 165.84079253 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

13:45:38 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol> i'll give her a big wet kiss for you << mp suddenly caught a glimpse of his own old age ;/

13:46:01 mircea_popescu: i'll have all these numerous hotties i can no longer fuck, that other people will be sucking the life out of, "for me".

13:46:11 RagnarDanneskjol: ahaa

13:46:37 mircea_popescu: i guess it's better to end up as the deified avatar of human relations than any alternative fate.

13:46:54 RagnarDanneskjol: sure

13:46:58 mats_cd03: i'm about to cross the horizon

13:47:07 mats_cd03: of the ego black hole

13:47:07 Vexual: that wont translae into madarin well at all

13:47:16 mats_cd03: wish me luck

13:47:19 mircea_popescu: tho being an oversized scorpion dragonfly would be pretty cool too

13:47:23 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 where you goin; ?

13:48:01 kakobrekla: sounds like he'll be smoking DMT or some shit

13:48:11 mircea_popescu: if this guy kills himself and then there's no end of media wanting to know "what was he like"

13:48:14 Vexual: yah or 3 tabs of acid

13:48:28 mircea_popescu: i swear to god ima train a bot to say "he was a quiet guy, wenevercouldhaveimagined" etc

13:49:09 BingoBoingo: "I dunno seemed like he had some legitimate greviances they way he said it..."

13:49:31 mircea_popescu: "it was the government dude"

13:50:11 mircea_popescu: then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death"

13:50:23 Vexual: father of 24 and bitcoin advocate mats cd, aged whatever tranceded last night in whatevr county

13:51:06 mircea_popescu: you know that's not a bad honorific ? "bitcoin's advocate general", sort-of like a grand inquisitor

13:51:19 BingoBoingo: Illinois man literally disappears into thin air. IRC channel suspects lasers involved.

13:52:02 mircea_popescu: in your case BingoBoingo

13:52:06 mats_cd03: i was referring to the ego madness that is being in your periphery mircea_popescu

13:52:07 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it would be thick air.

13:52:22 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 oh!

13:52:34 mircea_popescu: you meant MY ego ?!?!?!11?!?

13:52:56 mats_cd03: indeed

13:53:07 mircea_popescu: unfathomable.

13:53:47 mats_cd03: although 3 tabs of acid sounds pleasant

13:53:57 mircea_popescu: make it two tabs and a supository.

13:54:03 Vexual: thats not wha i read on erowid

13:54:07 mircea_popescu: acid fingertrap.

13:54:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21841 @ 0.00074172 = 16.1999 BTC [-] {2}

13:54:47 Vexual: yeah youll need your fingers for looking at and shit

13:55:31 mats_cd03: i once sobbed over the beauty of the universe while sitting on the shore of a lake watching a bird

13:55:45 Vexual: dub was asking after some viagra earlier

13:55:46 mats_cd03: its like... the cycle of life, man.

13:56:51 mats_cd03: 09:50:12 <+mircea_popescu> then the news reports all over forbes, "financial world epidemic extends to bitcoin : b-a participant in hong kong found stapled to death" >> wtf that is terrifying

13:56:59 mircea_popescu: yw.

13:57:18 Vexual: id be stapled to death

13:57:35 Vexual: no problem, id still be fresh for work the next day

13:58:26 Vexual: wait death?

13:59:16 lampelina: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-sell-wall-death-chomped/

13:59:16 assbot: Bitcoin Sell Wall of Death Being Chomped

14:00:13 kakobrekla: bottom gif is funny

14:01:26 Vexual: drop dead fred is on it?

14:01:58 Vexual: i got couldfared

14:02:15 mircea_popescu: hey lampelina what are you doing these days ?

14:02:27 lampelina: cooking

14:02:29 lampelina: and cleaning

14:02:33 kakobrekla: lel

14:02:37 lampelina: why, looking for a cook? :D

14:02:53 mircea_popescu: lampelina no, that i have, but how would you like trying to write an article for the qntra thing ?

14:03:13 lampelina: article about what

14:03:18 mircea_popescu: bitcoin news.

14:03:35 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which

14:03:40 Vexual: qntra, thats it!

14:04:00 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell hanbot hey you have till friday to write an article and get cazalla to accept it!

14:04:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:04:20 lampelina: maybe-do tell more

14:04:34 mircea_popescu: lampelina im actually writing it up, so i'll drop you a link in an hour.

14:04:53 lampelina: I'm far from expert on BTC btw

14:05:12 lampelina: in fact I know very little about it

14:05:15 mircea_popescu: yeah but you can ask kako.

14:05:19 lampelina: true

14:05:27 Vexual: lampalina that sell wall chomped article dropped there preciously (qntra)

14:05:45 mircea_popescu: unlike most girls that hang out with some reddit derp who has no clue.

14:05:49 mircea_popescu: so advantage you.

14:06:02 lampelina: indeed :)

14:06:34 kakobrekla: im busy

14:06:40 lampelina: shut up kakobrekla

14:06:41 mircea_popescu: don't be an asshole kako!

14:06:47 mircea_popescu: i got the patent.

14:07:16 Vexual: and ive got a thing wot says i can use the notion

14:08:15 Vexual: as i se fit disregardless if i remeber anything

14:12:27 Vexual: actually i don;t want t be too much of a bother, but i think you'll find that patent is actually mine

14:12:39 Vexual: you haven't been using it have oyu?

14:13:29 Vexual: yeah i just checked with my lawyer

14:15:36 kakobrekla: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/507842067964256256

14:15:38 assbot: Optimism shouldn't be a personal disposition. You want flight attendants to be "optimistic", pilots to be "pessimistic" not the opposite.

14:15:43 kakobrekla: same goes for "asshole"

14:16:05 kakobrekla: but alright imma help

14:16:19 kakobrekla: you exploiter you!

14:17:28 Vexual: id love to try to convince a judge im a bigger asshole than popescue

14:18:35 mircea_popescu: knowing how to exploit is half the orgams.

14:18:36 Vexual: contempting the court wins?

14:19:07 kakobrekla: lampelina you should get your securitah up.

14:19:11 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Well, you have to hold the court in contempt first. It is a race

14:19:37 Vexual: ah yes bb, i don't see things like that though

14:19:51 Vexual: i ws an asshole first and all

14:20:14 mircea_popescu: push up bra for securitits ?!

14:20:25 Vexual: whoawhat?

14:20:55 Vexual: now im confused with vampirealla

14:21:59 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Vampire-Allah-Akbar?

14:23:10 mircea_popescu: if only russ meyer would have directed barbarella...

14:23:18 Vexual: https://d1g4sq00ps2bp3.cloudfront.net/comicart/1248.jpg

14:23:40 mircea_popescu: imagine, a mostly nude teenaged jane fonda with a bunch of bosomy chicks, doing trippy shit

14:24:37 Vexual: do tell

14:24:56 mircea_popescu: nothing to tell, you gotta be there.

14:25:29 Vexual: but its a failm

14:25:44 Vexual: fuck my typos

14:26:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00074255 = 15.2223 BTC [+]

14:27:20 Vexual: whattabout sophia lauren in silk road?

14:28:43 Vexual: as "the real" dread pirate roberts

14:29:01 mats_cd03: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/04/us/ocean-bubble-rescue/index.html

14:29:02 assbot: Man in inflatable bubble rescued off coast of Florida - CNN.com

14:29:17 mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFqiuWHN2Mo and of course an accompanying video

14:29:17 assbot: Reza Baluchi - Paddle Bubble - YouTube

14:29:54 TomServo: Almost 2K BTC left the Ethereum wallet Saturday.

14:31:49 Vexual: was the dude in a bubble playing mario bros?

14:32:31 BingoBoingo: https://blockchain.info/address/36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

14:32:32 assbot: Bitcoin Address 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2

14:33:05 Vexual: wheres your collar?

14:34:25 mircea_popescu: http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/whos-afraid-of-the-workers-revolution

14:34:26 assbot: Who's Afraid of the Workers' Revolution? : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education

14:34:32 mircea_popescu: i don't recall, do we like j tucker ?

14:36:25 Vexual: why not

14:36:51 mircea_popescu: no idea

14:36:52 mircea_popescu: !s tucker

14:36:53 assbot: 27 results for 'tucker' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tucker

14:39:42 Vexual: you can sign up to uber thru a nigerian here

14:40:24 Vexual: don't ask me how the fuck that works

14:41:54 Vexual: im guessing the cat don't sport a bowtie tho

14:42:56 Vexual: and so it follow he probably just wants the papers to your late model car or some such

14:43:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 107 @ 0.16442015 = 17.593 BTC [+] {10}

14:44:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.16499999 = 0.66 BTC [+] {2}

14:52:30 Vexual: theres is no left and right anymore

14:53:21 Vexual: satoshi read hashcash and liked it, kids are reading real things

14:53:38 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Did you step on a boat? Look port and starboard.

14:54:02 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

14:54:03 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 333.13, Best ask: 333.33, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 332.02, 24 hour volume: 95391.41421327, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 335.0, 24 hour vwap: 305.254321266

14:54:09 Vexual: well left and right are things, but, im talkin...

14:54:26 Vexual: like, its a big vloud and shit

14:55:37 thickasthieves: http://dpaste.com/3TB87DT

14:55:38 assbot: dpaste: 3TB87DT: Deleted From Reddit - Whale Was Goxcoin Creator, by tat

14:56:30 mircea_popescu: lol why'd it beleete it ?

14:56:41 rithm: 'spiracy

14:57:03 thickasthieves: either reddit or researched deleted it shortly after posting

14:57:11 thickasthieves: but twas cached in my feed reader

14:57:29 thickasthieves: researcher*

14:58:28 mircea_popescu: aha

15:00:02 thickasthieves: apparently i'm not the only one Circle didnt process purchases for

15:00:24 thickasthieves: did 1btc to test, order failed - canceled

15:02:00 mircea_popescu: plenty of such reports yes.

15:02:22 mircea_popescu: pity all their efforts turned out to be in vain huh.

15:02:26 mircea_popescu: must suck.

15:03:26 BingoBoingo: So circle's just another pre-order scam?

15:04:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not per se, but pretty much all the usg-collaborationist services either stopped or delayed usd to btc purchases yest.

15:04:47 mircea_popescu: "it was supposed to go down"

15:05:00 thickasthieves: lol i'm trying to use their customer support to find out why,

15:05:05 thickasthieves: and also giving some feedback

15:05:12 thickasthieves: 500 character limit...

15:05:18 thickasthieves: i mean cmon

15:05:23 mircea_popescu: because reasons, of course.

15:05:53 mircea_popescu: lampelina http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/

15:05:54 assbot: Introducing the qntra pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:06:10 thickasthieves: it doesnt even tell me how many characters i have used

15:06:12 mircea_popescu: and btw cazalla, put a quantcast code on the thing

15:06:26 thickasthieves: no room to complain about that tho!

15:07:34 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

15:07:36 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 342.02, Best ask: 343.21, Bid-ask spread: 1.19000, Last trade: 342.01, 24 hour volume: 97594.75181671, 24 hour low: 275.0, 24 hour high: 344.87, 24 hour vwap: 306.12354108

15:07:45 thickasthieves: but but 275?

15:08:05 mircea_popescu: greatest country in the world

15:08:08 mircea_popescu: or was it richest ?

15:08:22 thickasthieves: surely it's richest in some things

15:08:38 thickasthieves: organic mass

15:08:43 bounce: oh the fertility of bullshit

15:08:59 mircea_popescu: lol im sure india is richer in dung

15:09:07 bounce: should be great for biodiesel

15:09:46 mircea_popescu: biodiesel is such nonsense anyway. what do you need fuel for if there's not a bunch of derps anymore, going from parking lot to parking lot ?

15:10:34 mircea_popescu: here's some simple math : if 10 bn people peak oil = year 2064, 100mn people peak oil = year 7014

15:10:59 mats_cd03: Vexual: its a song from shrek 2

15:11:28 mats_cd03: 'holding out for a hero' frou frou

15:11:32 thickasthieves: i went for a walk and this little girl was playing on her swing chanting the "Everything Is Awesome!" chorus

15:11:48 mats_cd03: das cute

15:12:27 thickasthieves: I went to a football game and everyone was chanting "Third Down For What?!"

15:12:30 thickasthieves: same day

15:12:55 thickasthieves: hankuna matata

15:12:59 thickasthieves: hakuna*

15:13:02 thickasthieves: or sumth

15:13:40 thickasthieves: Jacksonville Jaguars have the largest screens in the world or something

15:14:18 thickasthieves: each of the two wraps like 25% of the place

15:14:54 thickasthieves: they have two glass pools on the second tier, where fans can drink and watch the game and be watched by people watching the game

15:15:03 thickasthieves: on the screens

15:15:25 mircea_popescu: pools as in, water filled ?

15:15:28 thickasthieves: yes

15:15:38 mircea_popescu: so wait, you take the bitches for a swim while the game

15:15:41 thickasthieves: yep

15:15:44 mircea_popescu: and the plebs watch her tits jiggle ?

15:15:48 thickasthieves: yep

15:15:48 mircea_popescu: gangam style.

15:15:52 thickasthieves: and watch bros bro

15:16:33 thickasthieves: then clowns not dressed as clowns firr tshirts from cannons every 20min

15:16:38 thickasthieves: fire*

15:17:25 thickasthieves: meanwhile i'm trading on my tablet buying at 276

15:17:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: got a broken link http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/

15:17:28 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:17:44 mircea_popescu: aw

15:20:14 mircea_popescu: missing http does that. fixed ty

15:21:27 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-the-qntra/

15:21:58 BingoBoingo: reddit lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2igcg1/youre_not_gonna_like_this_but_willy_from_mt_gox/

15:21:59 assbot: You're not gonna like this, but Willy from Mt. Gox, was a group of people, with the major player being: Jeff Garzik. : Bitcoin

15:23:21 mircea_popescu: what's not to like ?

15:24:05 BingoBoingo: Everything is to like, except that which is for to love.

15:24:32 thickasthieves: also, so what if he was Willy

15:26:17 mircea_popescu: wait. is the thesis that the willy REPORT was authored by mostly garzik

15:26:37 mircea_popescu: or that he wrote the php code for the actual bot on karpeles' exchange or what ?

15:27:10 thickasthieves: or that he was manning the whole thing

15:27:13 mthreat: mircea murdoch!

15:27:28 thickasthieves: i'm not sure why i'd care to discern any of those

15:27:41 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.5742731 BTC. Current weight: 88,477.

15:28:32 mircea_popescu: mthreat im not old enough

15:29:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00074294 = 22.1396 BTC [+] {2}

15:29:11 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves "Go ahead, prove me wrong. I want you to." ? whay are we reading derppit again ?

15:29:47 mircea_popescu: "[?]PWNY_EVEREADY 1 point 8 minutes ago Ahh what a community! A key bitcoin core developer was scamming/ripping off the community he supposedly believes in. Who needs regulation amirite?" i guess we have the new party line, if nothing else.

15:31:00 thickasthieves: well reddit is good for one thing, churning fresh bitcoin text

15:31:09 mircea_popescu: they gotta learn to make better astroturf reddit accts, incidentally.

15:33:01 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/

15:34:03 thickasthieves: nice pricepoint choice

15:36:27 []bot: Bet placed: 1.111 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.211 BTC. Current weight: 99,994.

15:37:38 mircea_popescu: !up Newar

15:38:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13979 @ 0.00074367 = 10.3958 BTC [+] {2}

15:40:02 kakobrekla: heh thickasthieves http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-09-2014#836412

15:40:03 assbot: Logged on 20-09-2014 02:11:34; kakobrekla: if you cant buy it, price is irrelevant

15:43:02 thickasthieves: indeed

15:50:38 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/716/btc-worth-over-5000-before-2015/#c4108

15:50:38 assbot: BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015 :: 5.56 B (8%) on Yes, 63.92 B (92%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 day| weight: 18`745 (100`000 to 1)

15:50:55 kakobrekla: someone really needs to put up a site "derp for btc" to serve as craigslist

15:54:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 59 @ 0.1379006 = 8.1361 BTC [-]

15:59:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11972744 BTC to 15`436 shares, 7254 satoshi per share

16:01:04 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/05/has-north-korea-s-kim-jong-un-been-toppled.html

16:01:05 assbot: Has North Koreas Kim Jong Un Been Toppled? - The Daily Beast

16:01:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.76046076 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 327 satoshi per share

16:05:10 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

16:09:25 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

16:09:28 gribble: Current Blocks: 324137 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 438 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35238654726.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.66533

16:10:09 BingoBoingo: Oh, by defeating WhaleBearPig we apparently earned another diff increase

16:10:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that'd be the best nrws evar

16:11:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Why because if Kim is deposed Obama must be following soon after?

16:19:40 danielpbarron: !up brianhoffman

16:20:06 danielpbarron: ugh, lost ident; someone wanna get this?

16:20:24 danielpbarron: it'll take me a few minutes

16:21:08 TomServo: !up brianhoffman

16:21:19 brianhoffman: thank you

16:21:21 brianhoffman: assbot...

16:21:21 danielpbarron: he's the OpenBazaar guy

16:21:34 TomServo: Ah, welcome

16:21:40 brianhoffman: I’m trying to get @dionyziz in here

16:21:47 brianhoffman: he’s spearheading the trust work

16:21:56 danielpbarron: ;;gettrust brianhoffman

16:21:56 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user brianhoffman: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=brianhoffman | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=brianhoffman | Rated since: never

16:21:57 brianhoffman: him and his professor

16:22:36 danielpbarron: you'll want to get in the WoT if you want to be taken seriously

16:22:53 danielpbarron: which shouldn't be hard to do for a couple of devs

16:23:03 brianhoffman: @dionyziz i believe is already

16:23:12 brianhoffman: I will work on it

16:23:16 danielpbarron: ;;gettrust dionyziz

16:23:16 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user dionyziz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=dionyziz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dionyziz | Rated since: Wed Jun 8 13:05:32 2011

16:23:55 brianhoffman: ok or not

16:24:18 brianhoffman: his work has mostly been around pgp wot

16:24:23 danielpbarron: he is; just not in my L2

16:24:30 brianhoffman: ok

16:24:47 danielpbarron: i'll give him a +1 when i get authed again

16:24:59 brianhoffman: i just shot him a msg so maybe he’ll jump in

16:25:42 danielpbarron: what is this I've heard about a decentralized reputation system?

16:26:05 danielpbarron: and can the idea be applied instead to this gribble WoT

16:26:39 brianhoffman: well we are exploring this potentially. admittedly it is a much loftier goal than expected at first.

16:26:55 brianhoffman: this is all very notional at the moment though.

16:27:03 brianhoffman: have you read the paper dionysis put out about this so far?

16:27:18 danielpbarron: i figured as much, or else it would already be a think in here

16:27:37 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

16:27:39 gribble: Current Blocks: 324137 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 438 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35238654726.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.66533

16:27:40 danielpbarron: thing* // re: the paper, no

16:27:54 punkman: danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those

16:27:58 brianhoffman: https://gist.github.com/dionyziz/e3b296861175e0ebea4b

16:27:59 assbot: web-of-trust.md

16:28:30 brianhoffman: sorry for links if you all are against that crap in here but i figured it’s easiest to just link you over

16:28:39 TheNewDeal: oh we link

16:28:55 danielpbarron: links are fine as long as they aren't videos without tits

16:29:09 brianhoffman: :P

16:29:35 brianhoffman: ok well so what is your main interest here? just that we are trying to reinvent the wheel?

16:29:43 brianhoffman: or that you think we’re idiots in general :P

16:29:54 danielpbarron: a little of both

16:30:06 punkman: "Global trust is trust towards a particular individual which is seen as the same from all members of the network. Projected trust is established through a pseudonymous partial knowledge web-of-trust, while global trust is established through proof-of-burn and proof-of-timelock mechanisms."

16:30:10 danielpbarron: but you joined here, so there might be hope

16:30:12 punkman: we don't have timelocks yet

16:30:47 brianhoffman: which is why at the moment we’re leveraging proof of burn

16:30:57 punkman: well that's silly

16:30:58 brianhoffman: we’re following the Peter Todd BIP

16:30:59 brianhoffman: and what not

16:31:10 brianhoffman: but this is all not slated for the next week’s release here

16:31:20 danielpbarron: i like proof of burn -- that's why XCP is still a thing, and mastercoin isn't

16:31:35 brianhoffman: proof of burn is fine. at the moment we’re doing it wrong and spamming the UTXO

16:31:48 brianhoffman: we will be leveraging op_return in the next release hopefully

16:32:00 brianhoffman: at the moment the entire project is under code review

16:32:22 brianhoffman: our project has great breadth and we’re certainly not interested in stepping on toes or making grandiose claims about any one area

16:32:28 brianhoffman: we would love to collaborate where possible

16:32:55 brianhoffman: i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please don’t be turned off by anything we throw out there as we’re not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff

16:33:10 brianhoffman: feel free to destroy anything we publish so we can evolve

16:33:23 brianhoffman: that’s why i’ve come to your IRC instead of just insulting @danielbarron more

16:33:25 brianhoffman: :)

16:33:37 punkman: "In OpenBazaar, the participants are inherently pseudonymous. In this setting, we wish to maintain an identity for each node. This identity is strictly distinct from the operator's real-world identity."

16:33:39 danielpbarron: i like gribble the way it is so far, but I think I saw discussion in here some time ago about making it decentralized; that's why I figured you might have something interesting to say

16:33:42 punkman: that probably won't work

16:34:07 brianhoffman: ok so the folks from freenet argued that as well

16:34:28 brianhoffman: i’m interested to hear your justification though

16:35:45 pete_dushenski: "The new [French cybersecurity] rules include fines of as much as 750,000 euros for companies that fail government security audits, and demand that French businesses reconsider their technology choices to focus on certified -- mostly ‘‘made in France” -- products."

16:36:03 thickasthieves: to prevent central party from acting evil or from being acted evil upon

16:36:32 punkman: brianhoffman: some things to consider here perhaps http://fraudsters.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ http://fraudsters.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/

16:36:34 assbot: Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:36:35 assbot: Anonimity : not for the poor. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:37:09 brianhoffman: ok i will read.

16:38:59 thestringpuller: wtf is even going on

16:39:02 thestringpuller: i'm gone for 2 days

16:39:33 brianhoffman: hey i hate to run but i have to. I heard from @dionyziz and he said he will be able to drop in a little later. I will DM you on Twitter @danielpbarron when he’s available and then just drop in say hey to continue the talk if you don’t mind.

16:39:38 brianhoffman: i don’t think this is a short convo anyways

16:39:57 brianhoffman: he’s on a “jog"

16:40:03 punkman: brianhoffman: the gist is: just use GPG identities and let silk road be silk road

16:40:24 brianhoffman: now that’s no fun, just giving up the ghost :P

16:40:28 brianhoffman: i hear you and i’ll be back

16:44:01 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

16:44:03 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 341.04, Best ask: 341.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 341.89, 24 hour volume: 87215.20972272, 24 hour low: 281.2, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 309.778317883

16:44:04 danielpbarron: ;;rate dionyziz 1 OpenBazaar, http://twitter.com/dionyziz

16:44:06 assbot: Dionysis Zindros (@dionyziz) | Twitter

16:44:06 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dionyziz has been recorded.

16:44:34 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how many profit centers does MPIF have left?

16:44:55 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller like 3

16:44:59 mircea_popescu: !up oda_krell

16:45:19 *: mircea_popescu tries to remember what this openbazaar thing is

16:45:20 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 52(Y):48(N) by coin, 52(Y):48(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.211 BTC. Current weight: 99,876.

16:45:39 thestringpuller: man i have too much to catch up on

16:45:48 thestringpuller: all these statements on fraudsters and new articles

16:45:50 thestringpuller: i was gone 1 day

16:46:01 mircea_popescu: fraudsters waits for no one

16:46:45 thickasthieves: openbazaar is darkmarketwotcoin

16:46:53 thickasthieves: or such

16:47:23 bounce: but it's open!

16:47:26 mircea_popescu: "OpenBazaar is an open source project to create a decentralized network for commerce online?using Bitcoin?that has no fees and cannot be censored."

16:47:36 mircea_popescu: so basically what, ebay but sovereign ?

16:48:08 mircea_popescu: "He forks therefore he leads" lol. what do you do bri o wow he left huh

16:48:23 dignork: well, there would be fees for escrow services

16:49:06 oda_krell: I suppose the 10min temp voice is one's chance to really shine in here, huh? Song and dance routine maybe? Anyway, don't have anything to really say right now, but I like to lurk from time to time.

16:49:25 ben_vulpes: oda_krell: it's 30 minutes

16:50:29 mircea_popescu: oda_krell half hour, but basically yes.

16:51:11 thestringpuller: ;;calc 399811.74163205 * 0.00000170

16:51:12 gribble: 0.679679960774

16:52:43 mircea_popescu: brianhoffman: well we are exploring this potentially. admittedly it is a much loftier goal than expected at first. << myeah.

16:52:44 mircea_popescu: !up nomos__

16:53:59 mircea_popescu: punkman: danielpbarron: we could have 10 gribbles and you could check that counterparty is authed against X of those << i recall discussions about wot bridges in here too. none of it is insurmontable, except, making a p2p wot.

16:54:09 mircea_popescu: which is why the multicentral approach seems to me better.

16:54:59 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: links are fine as long as they aren't videos without tits << hm, thinking about it, that's exacly the rule, isn't it ? observant daniel.

16:55:23 thestringpuller: ;;calc 399811.74163205 * 0.00000190

16:55:23 gribble: 0.759642309101

16:55:54 mircea_popescu: punkman :we don't have timelocks yet << timecocks would be pretty cool too.

16:57:11 mircea_popescu: brianhoffman: i know that Dionysis feels the same way so please don?t be turned off by anything we throw out there as we?re not trying to stomp out others who are smarter on this stuff <<< well the s/use/leverage/g thing you got going is a bit weird.

16:58:17 ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/iVHfwLc.gif

16:58:27 thestringpuller: i think there is a way to sucesfully use nlocktime without having to worry about doublespend

16:58:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, the major stiucking point here being, so you have your openbazaar, and anonderp is selling a box of secret documents or w/e.

16:58:38 mircea_popescu: how is he supposed to deliver this without getting caught ?

16:58:50 pete_dushenski: xanthyos: so much for my $360 (10 double chai) prediction << ha!

16:59:32 bounce: cut all the papers in two, send one box by ups and the other by fedex

16:59:50 mircea_popescu: lmao

17:00:03 mircea_popescu: what if they're live baby rats for a certain brunette chick?

17:00:11 pete_dushenski: xanthyos: russell brand's going to have to stroke some furry walls hard enough to tear the shag out if he keeps attaching his name to max keiser's cryptocoin << on fire, this guy.

17:00:27 mircea_popescu: yeah im bevcoming a xanth fan too

17:00:29 mircea_popescu: !up xanthyos

17:00:41 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot xanthyos

17:00:42 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=xanthyos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xanthyos | Rated since: Tue May 13 21:36:26 2014

17:00:42 thestringpuller: we should just refer to maxcoin as jefferycoin for now on.

17:02:17 mircea_popescu: http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/deicide-s-benton-i-hate-hoffman-brothers-more-than-anything-in-this-world/ one of the better interviews

17:02:17 assbot: Deicide's Benton: 'I Hate Hoffman Brothers More Than Anything In This World' - Blabbermouth.net

17:02:23 mircea_popescu: Decibel: Has it been weird writing songs without the Hoffman brothers [Eric and Brian, former DEICIDE guitarists]?

17:02:23 mircea_popescu: Benton: "It's been the fucking greatest thing in the world. Those two are a couple of idiots, man. I hate Eric and Brian Hoffman more than anything in this world, and I will not rest until I put shit straight with the fans. Up 'til now, everybody thinks I kicked them out of the band, but nobody kicked anybody out. They quit on their own, and I wanna set the record straight in regard to those two fuckin' pricks."

17:03:05 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: yup.

17:06:19 mircea_popescu: Benton: "Yeah, they're real nice guys. We're in the process of suing them right now ? for slander and everything else, dude. They're going around telling people I'm addicted to methamphetamine. You know what? Who hasn't experimented with a few things in their life? Big deal. So what if I experimented? They did, too! But, look, I don't even drink anymore, man. I mean, I'll have a Heineken every once in a while, but I

17:06:20 mircea_popescu: was drinking a bottle of Jack Daniel's every night before I went onstage and another bottle while I was playing. That starts catching up with you real quick, and I started going blind in my right eye. So after a nice scare at the doctor's office about four years ago, I stopped."

17:06:26 mircea_popescu: total comedy gold these people

17:12:59 bounce: that about this guy?

17:15:17 mircea_popescu: hm ?

17:16:12 bounce: that refers to the same guy as the brianhoffman popped by here earlier?

17:16:47 mircea_popescu: a no. just name coincidence.

17:16:50 thickasthieves: would it be absurd for me to suggest that bitcoin volatility has a base shape, which appears as fractals and distorts according to current trend? sorta like an elliot wave or bubble pattern? something like the shape of the algorithm as averaged by combinining all trade bots and human behavior?

17:17:03 mircea_popescu: there's a coupla death metal bass players, brothers, by that name

17:21:59 pete_dushenski: Vexual: this ones a newspaper, blogs are for little girls << orly?

17:25:11 thestringpuller: http://quartersnacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/subway-ollie.jpg

17:27:48 bounce: what a cute photo. until you realise how it was probably taken.

17:27:49 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

17:27:58 indiancandy1: thans

17:28:00 indiancandy1: thanks

17:28:02 indiancandy1: long time

17:28:05 indiancandy1: how are you mp

17:28:12 mircea_popescu: great as ever. yourself ?

17:28:21 indiancandy1: im good dear

17:28:27 indiancandy1: u still in argentina

17:28:31 mircea_popescu: yep

17:28:40 indiancandy1: awsom

17:28:42 indiancandy1: im in india

17:28:58 mircea_popescu: getting married ?

17:29:34 indiancandy1: no dear

17:29:37 indiancandy1: goin on a city tour

17:29:40 mircea_popescu: btw, dun call people dear in english. it's this 70 year old grandma thing to do, and for some reason all indian camgirls do it.

17:29:43 fluffypony: finding your inner sacred cow?

17:29:51 indiancandy1: ahaha

17:29:53 mircea_popescu: (reason being that they proly learned english from 70yo little old ladies)

17:29:54 indiancandy1: racist

17:29:55 indiancandy1: :O

17:30:12 indiancandy1: ahaha

17:30:15 indiancandy1: all indian cam girls

17:30:18 mircea_popescu: which city is india ?

17:30:21 indiancandy1: stereotype

17:30:23 indiancandy1: jeez

17:30:28 indiancandy1: im in lucknow

17:30:34 indiancandy1: at the moment in up

17:30:38 mircea_popescu: hm. never been there.

17:30:39 indiancandy1: i signed a new fil

17:30:41 indiancandy1: film

17:30:45 indiancandy1: so im promotin it

17:30:49 mircea_popescu: o hey. what's your role ?

17:30:54 indiancandy1: called i luv dubai

17:31:04 mircea_popescu: link it ?

17:31:07 indiancandy1: ok

17:31:09 indiancandy1: 1sec

17:31:49 indiancandy1: youtube

17:31:51 indiancandy1: isnt working

17:31:54 indiancandy1: i duno why

17:31:59 bounce: senile tremor on the enter key?

17:32:01 indiancandy1: youtube shanti dynamite i luv dubai

17:32:34 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fzFaX5k9H0 ?

17:32:34 assbot: Ajaz, Shanti Dynamite in 'I Luv Dubai' - YouTube

17:32:50 indiancandy1: ya me and ajaz

17:33:08 indiancandy1: youtube isnt working for me i duno why

17:33:13 mircea_popescu: tsk, pushing up your tits and being all bashful about your hip tattoo ?

17:33:55 mircea_popescu: lol and fakekissing the guy ? ok, this was entertaining

17:34:27 indiancandy1: no not really camera only ffocused on negative things

17:34:31 indiancandy1: sadly

17:34:52 mircea_popescu: yeah looks like they want to set you up for a heel role.

17:35:03 indiancandy1: the camera was only zooming

17:35:04 indiancandy1: on my boobs

17:35:44 mircea_popescu: so what's your pr lady next move for you ? major drug scandal ?

17:36:56 indiancandy1: pr man

17:37:02 indiancandy1: my pr is a man

17:37:07 indiancandy1: give me good ideas

17:37:08 thickasthieves: sex tape

17:37:09 thickasthieves: oh wait

17:37:22 mircea_popescu: nah sex tape wrong move for her.

17:37:25 indiancandy1: im goin 2 shower il b bACK

17:38:00 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 it's simple, have some people friendly in the press over at your hotel, have a policeman come and arrest you and confiscate a huge bundle of flour.

17:38:17 mircea_popescu: then you declare you're innocent, a week later they let you go because it was a mistake and there you go, two extra points. maybe three.

17:39:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2180 @ 0.00058096 = 1.2665 BTC [+] {4}

17:46:19 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#860305 < several problems with that, id fix if there would be a good solution. problem 1: !down would depend on gribbles presence, now it does not since down does not check wot but if a person self upped or not. problem 2: afaik even wot api is cached

17:46:21 assbot: Logged on 06-10-2014 03:17:27; ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: can we do something about this rating lag?

17:47:34 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah dun worry about it. not really a problem.

17:47:38 kakobrekla: so even if you unrate/negrate you can not down that person, not cause of cache but cause they self upped

17:47:51 kakobrekla: well, someone could run a bnc, self up and yapp for weeks

17:48:09 mircea_popescu: bnc can also have problems.

17:48:20 kakobrekla: just sayin

17:48:31 mircea_popescu: yeah. dun worry about it, worry bout something else :)

17:51:40 thickasthieves: http://www.coindesk.com/investor-tim-draper-leads-snapcards-1-5-million-seed-round/

17:51:40 assbot: Investor Tim Draper Leads SnapCard's $1.5 Million Seed Round

17:53:20 mircea_popescu: "HOW SNAPCARD WORKS. Download snapCard."

17:53:22 mircea_popescu: orly ? lol.

18:00:14 pete_dushenski: "Everything published was very logical. But, consider this, what if you were to create a awesome title? I ain't suggesting your content is not good., however suppose you added something that makes people want more? I mean IRC Yeshiva | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski is a little plain. You could glance at Yahoo's front page and see how they create news titles to grab viewers to open the links. You might add a

18:00:15 pete_dushenski: video or a pic or two to get people excited about what you've written. In my opinion, it would make your website a little bit more interesting." << lol these sp4mmers

18:00:41 pete_dushenski: so good i'm tempted to approve the comment

18:01:49 thickasthieves: approve a picture of the comment, kill two birds

18:02:13 mircea_popescu: lol

18:03:05 pete_dushenski: haha don't give me ideas

18:03:43 pete_dushenski: mebbe ima take a video of a nekkid chick takin a picture of it then approve that

18:04:00 mircea_popescu: $proxies

18:04:01 empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.biz mpex.co mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

18:04:03 empyex: mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (163 milliseconds), mpex.co (195 milliseconds), mpex.biz (433 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (528 milliseconds), mpex.bz (752 milliseconds)

18:04:04 empyex: mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √

18:04:06 mircea_popescu: aha

18:04:12 mircea_popescu: !up Terra123

18:05:02 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/KonradSGraf/status/518879632473726976 << just to bug ben_vulpes

18:05:03 assbot: The 5th of October in bitcoin price history 10: $0.06 11: $4.90 +82x 12: $12.75 +2.6x 13: $121.49 +9.5x 14: $304.16 +2.5x

18:06:03 mircea_popescu: sooo apparently a mpex proxy (mpex.co) got dns hijacked ?

18:07:09 pete_dushenski: iiiiinteresting

18:07:39 kakobrekla: it did?

18:07:54 thickasthieves: so next is 10x?

18:07:57 thickasthieves: makes sense

18:08:09 thickasthieves: 3000

18:08:25 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i don't recall, do we like j tucker ? << o mr. sleepyhead? there's definitely worse muppets out on the "conference" scene.

18:08:40 thickasthieves: is that the bowtie guy

18:08:55 mircea_popescu: hmmm no, it did not.

18:09:02 mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf this was.

18:09:39 thickasthieves: there's this interview with him and hearn where he's just gushing

18:09:52 thickasthieves: or maybe he's always that way

18:09:55 mircea_popescu: well that's no crime yet.

18:10:27 thickasthieves: i thought all things distinctive were crimes?!

18:11:32 pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: yup, definitely bowtie guy

18:11:46 pete_dushenski: personal friend of bitstein's too afaik

18:11:53 thickasthieves: word

18:12:08 pete_dushenski: he's a pretty gushy dude it seems

18:12:13 thickasthieves: ah

18:13:21 pete_dushenski: and he was even "distinctive" enough to pass out cold at a conference dinner while being referenced by the speaker on stage. see: http://contravex.com/2014/04/16/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/

18:13:22 assbot: Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

18:14:28 mircea_popescu: !up brianhoffman

18:14:30 mircea_popescu: !up dionyziz

18:14:37 brianhoffman: thank you

18:14:46 mircea_popescu: sure.

18:15:19 brianhoffman: ok I’ve got @dionyziz here and I think he may have some questions for you all

18:15:38 mircea_popescu: didja see thge logs ?

18:15:44 mircea_popescu: cuz i was talking @you after you apparently left.

18:15:51 dionyziz: Ha, I can speak! :)

18:15:55 dionyziz: Hello.

18:16:07 brianhoffman: no I did not. is it online anywhere?

18:17:03 brianhoffman: ok i think i found it

18:17:25 brianhoffman: reading now

18:17:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2014#861219

18:17:32 assbot: Logged on 06-10-2014 16:47:26; mircea_popescu: "OpenBazaar is an open source project to create a decentralized network for commerce online?using Bitcoin?that has no fees and cannot be censored."

18:17:32 mircea_popescu: right

18:19:24 brianhoffman: mircea_popescu: you are asking about shipping of items across OpenBazaar?

18:19:31 brianhoffman: and also I am not the guitarist for Deicide lol

18:19:50 dionyziz: I heard you guys have some thoughts on our web-of-trust ideas.

18:19:51 brianhoffman: I can play guitar but I’m not in a heavy metal by any means lol

18:20:00 dionyziz: I'm very interested in hearing them, especially if you disagree with our proposals.

18:20:20 brianhoffman: mircea_popescu did you see dionyziz’ paper that we have up online? i posted the link earlier

18:20:21 dionyziz: If you think what we're trying to do is impossible or impractical, this is very important to us and we want to know why.

18:20:41 mircea_popescu: dionyziz well not so much on your ideas whatever they may be, but moreover, how familiar are you with the wot as it works and is implemented currently ?

18:20:43 brianhoffman: I’m working through your devil goat entry

18:20:57 mircea_popescu: devil goat ? which is that one ?

18:21:11 brianhoffman: urban vs. rural

18:21:18 mircea_popescu: oh hehe. myeah.

18:21:19 mircea_popescu: <brianhoffman> mircea_popescu: you are asking about shipping of items across OpenBazaar? << yes.

18:21:27 penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/asic-miner-price/

18:21:49 dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Are you talking about the bitcoin-otc wot, the gpg wot, the freenet wot, which one exatly?

18:21:54 brianhoffman: the issue of shipping ties in nicely with the discussion about arbitration and third-parties in trade transactions

18:22:24 mircea_popescu: dionyziz the first.

18:22:59 dionyziz: mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=dionyziz&sign=ANY&type=RECV

18:23:00 assbot: Rating Details for User 'dionyziz'

18:23:16 dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Yes, I have sent and received some ratings and used this system to exachange bitcoin.

18:23:50 mircea_popescu: brianhoffman let me restate it. since shipping precludes practical anonimity, it makes sense to bundle the trust required to maintain pseudonymous identities with the trust required to police transactions, resulting in the following cutting of your mayo : centralized trade with decentralized comm network. which reduces your idea to reimplementing gpg over email.

18:24:11 mircea_popescu: dionyziz that is rather basic, but anyway, much better than nothing at all.

18:24:15 mircea_popescu: so, how do you aim to improve on this ?

18:24:45 dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Yes, my rating is basic on bitcoin-otc, but I feel I have an understanding of your work.

18:25:08 dionyziz: Regarding your comments on shipping, this is a different issue which we also have concerns about.

18:25:25 mircea_popescu: well that was @ brianhoffman. you, i asked how you aim to improve the wot as it is

18:25:28 dionyziz: As for your question regarding improvements over your bitcoin-otc wot work, I'd like to first say that we appreciate the work you've done.

18:25:44 mircea_popescu: you know i've done nothing much re bitcoin otc. it's mostly nanotube's thing.

18:25:45 dionyziz: And it's an important asset for the bitcoin community.

18:25:55 dionyziz: Yes, I mean "you" in plural.

18:26:02 dionyziz: You as in, people in this channel who have worked on this.

18:26:04 mircea_popescu: but anyway! thanks, and dun worry about it, you're not being griled in the sense of having been a bad boy

18:26:08 mircea_popescu: im just trying to grok .

18:26:17 dionyziz: So, regarding improvements.

18:26:48 dionyziz: Some of these ideas are detailed in my paper, but keep in mind that my paper is incomplete and just lays out some of our thoughts. We are improving on it and thinking about additional things.

18:26:56 brianhoffman: I think I see what you’re saying in regards to reimplementing gpg. This is a valid point.

18:27:05 dionyziz: The first issue we have with bitcoin-otc is its Achilles' heel.

18:27:23 mircea_popescu: dionyziz i am keeping it in mind, which is why i asked diretly :)

18:27:24 dionyziz: We feel its centralization is harmful.

18:27:49 dionyziz: In OpenBazaar, our threat model requires no centralization, so we want users to be able to validate trust directly.

18:28:35 mircea_popescu: brianhoffman no, it's not. looky here, let's model it. there are 3 items of interest. 1. the shipping of purchased items ; 2. the discussion of trade, ie, merchant and buyer meeting hteir minds ; 3. the payment for purchases. now, these 3 can be sorted in any which way. otc for instance sorts it that 2 is gpg over email or an irc channel, 1 is mail and 3 is the wot.

18:28:35 punkman: that's when I ask you to GPG sign something

18:28:38 dionyziz: This is the main reason we think bitcoin-otc wot is inadequate.

18:29:01 mircea_popescu: brianhoffman your proposition is to somehow weld them together, but because you can not practically remove the problem of 1, it'll still revert to something similar, inevitably.

18:29:22 mircea_popescu: dionyziz are you familiar with the discussion of multicentrality vs decentralisation ?

18:30:43 brianhoffman: are you implying that the anonymity is simply thrown out the window once you begin shipping purchased items? i’m feeling dense here.

18:30:51 mircea_popescu: quite that, yes.

18:31:16 brianhoffman: well i guess my response at least initially would be are we really trying to solve that issue here...

18:31:23 brianhoffman: i don’t think that is really in scope for OpenBazaar

18:31:28 brianhoffman: i see it as an issue

18:31:47 brianhoffman: but i don’t believe we’re proposing a solution here at the moment for that challenge

18:32:04 mircea_popescu: i gather. but the thing is, that challenge will unravel whatever model you may build.

18:32:13 mircea_popescu: it's why silkroad collapsed, after all. you can't ship.

18:32:30 mircea_popescu: and since you can't really tell people what to do, you will end up in that conflict whether you want to or not.

18:32:48 brianhoffman: you do realize that a large percentage of items shipped are most likely illicit. this does not stop it from occurring.

18:33:02 brianhoffman: and those engaging in privacy conscious behavior will know to protect as best they can out of band from OpenBazaar

18:33:08 mircea_popescu: i think you maybe misunderstand how safety is effectually implemented.

18:33:17 brianhoffman: ok enlighten me

18:33:40 mircea_popescu: well, for as long as you're small nobody cares that you're moving contraband back and forth, because it's not meaningfully discernible from the general noise of the system

18:33:48 mircea_popescu: once you become large you ipso facto have a footprint

18:33:58 mircea_popescu: at which point you either go to jail or backstab your users

18:34:00 mircea_popescu: in practice, both.

18:35:14 brianhoffman: well i think that mirrors real life rather well. as your “image” becomes larger your activity becomes less indistinguishable from others.

18:35:16 brianhoffman: you stick out

18:35:17 dionyziz: I do not see why this is a necessity.

18:35:18 brianhoffman: i agree

18:35:38 brianhoffman: my argument is that this is a meatspace issue

18:35:51 mircea_popescu: dionyziz b ecause you're leaking information through the shipping. think of it in crypto terms, you're using a 8 bit key on an amiga as part of the process.

18:36:14 bounce: not all trades involve items shipped, and where they do the users of any system, decentralised or not, basically have to provide their own safety. cut-outs and that sort of thing. it does put a bit of a damper as to what is reasonable to advertise.

18:36:22 mircea_popescu: brianhoffman well sure, but it doesn't so much matter if it's a meatspace issue or not. what matters is that it's the controlling issue

18:36:24 dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Some items are shipped digitally.

18:36:33 mircea_popescu: and in being controlling, it'll control. which means it'll shape the marketplace.

18:36:38 dionyziz: But solving the shipping problem is currently out of the scope of OpenBazaar.

18:36:41 dionyziz: We're not trying to solve this problem.

18:36:42 mircea_popescu: dionyziz for that much your idea would work fine

18:36:45 dionyziz: We're not trying to solve every problem.

18:36:47 mircea_popescu: except information wants to be free and all that.

18:37:02 dionyziz: There are ideas to make shipping more untrackable.

18:37:05 brianhoffman: well i’d like to say we’re working on a decentralized drone delivery network as part of this

18:37:07 dionyziz: Rented PO boxes.

18:37:08 brianhoffman: but our scope is already huge

18:37:08 dionyziz: Drones.

18:37:10 dionyziz: etc. etc.

18:37:12 mircea_popescu: but yes, for that thin sliver where carders and snowden wanna pass along secrets, there's something.

18:37:20 dionyziz: And I'm interested in these ideas, but OpenBazaar is not trying to find solutions there.

18:37:22 mircea_popescu: dionyziz how old are you ?

18:37:28 dionyziz: mircea_popescu: I'm 27.

18:37:31 dionyziz: You?

18:37:37 thestringpuller: drones are not going to work in the US

18:37:44 thestringpuller: they WILL find you

18:37:46 dionyziz: thestringpuller: I live in the EU :)

18:37:47 mircea_popescu: okay. im 35. but anyway : no, rented po boxes and drones aren't solutions.

18:37:48 thestringpuller: and they will fine you

18:38:20 dionyziz: Sure, ok.

18:38:23 brianhoffman: hey all i have to run. very busy day but i am enjoying the convo. i will be back.

18:38:28 dionyziz: As I said, in OpenBazaar we don't try to solve the problem of shipping.

18:38:40 dionyziz: In the same way that cryptography isn't trying to solve all the problems of security,

18:38:50 mircea_popescu: ok, so what problem does it try to solve ?

18:38:51 dionyziz: in OpenBazaar we want to maintain anonymity at the point of trade.

18:39:07 mircea_popescu: you mean anonimity or pseudonimity ?

18:39:12 dionyziz: We want to allow people to agree on a trade and exchange the money and sign the contract in a pseudonymous manner.

18:39:15 dionyziz: The delivery is their own problem.

18:39:27 mircea_popescu: these two are not the same in any sense, stop using them as synonyms.

18:39:32 dionyziz: "Anonymity" and "pseudonymity" are defined precisely on my writing.

18:39:38 mircea_popescu: anyway : this already exists, it's a solved problem. why are you resolving a solved problem ?

18:39:50 dionyziz: I don't think it's a solved problem.

18:39:55 dionyziz: Can you explain why you think it's a solved problem?

18:40:05 mircea_popescu: yes. because for instance, lemme find it

18:40:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34536 @ 0.00074314 = 25.6651 BTC [-] {2}

18:43:02 dionyziz: OK

18:43:21 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/asicminer-agreementtxt.asc << there you go.

18:43:46 mircea_popescu: pseudonymous parties agreeing on a trade, exchanging money and signing the contract.

18:43:49 mircea_popescu: in... 2012.

18:44:43 mircea_popescu: (and here's a riot, 1.2k asicminer full shares ? aka 6k btc at the peak ? history!)

18:45:38 dignork: !up dionyziz

18:46:25 thickasthieves: shit remember that lot jutarul sold on the forum at 5btc?

18:46:34 thickasthieves: was it 2000?

18:46:40 thickasthieves: good ole days

18:46:45 dionyziz: mircea_popescu: OK, I will read this.

18:46:49 dionyziz: Thank you for sharing this with me :)

18:46:55 dionyziz: And thank you for taking the time to address these issues with us.

18:47:19 mircea_popescu: dionyziz don't take things the wrong way, there's plenty of work to do for people wanting to be useful. it's just important not to waste the enthusiasm of youth on dead ends.

18:47:30 mircea_popescu: this chan's always here for that very reason

18:47:31 dionyziz: Ah, I see what this is.

18:48:21 dignork: dionyziz: Another potential problem: decentralized arbitration will act as random oracle. If arbiters will keep bias towards buyer, sellers will increase prices to compensate. Bias towards sellers will make buyers to seek discount >= bias rate. Assuming sellers will have to maintain their ratings, risk will mainly be on the seller side, this risk will be priced in. Do you have any estimates on the

18:48:23 dignork: risk adjustment percentage?

18:48:56 dionyziz: mircea_popescu: Maybe it is similar to this agreement that I did with a friend a few months ago? https://dionyziz.com/hedge.txt

18:49:05 mircea_popescu: dignork you can't have bias in a decentralized market. you will instead have volatility. bias happens in central markets like ebay deciding to side with buyer

18:49:07 dionyziz: I'm familiar with the concept of GPG-signing a personal contract.

18:49:27 mircea_popescu: dionyziz it's not personal in any sense. signatures are pseudonyms for this purpose

18:50:09 dionyziz: mircea_popescu: The problem I am trying to solve in OpenBazaar is in particular how two pseudonymous agents can trust each other without knowing each other.

18:50:28 mircea_popescu: but anyway, conceptually similar to your thing, sure. people agreeing on a trade and exchanging the money and signing the contract in a pseudonymous manner.

18:50:43 thickasthieves: and can host illegal software without being caught

18:50:45 mircea_popescu: which is a matter of the wot. lettuce find the relevant article.

18:50:57 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/

18:50:58 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:51:00 mircea_popescu: dionyziz ^

18:51:14 mircea_popescu: and with this i'll have to take a meeting, but will be back in an hour or so. cheers.

18:51:41 dionyziz: Thanks for the link, I will read it.

18:51:44 dionyziz: Let's talk again soon :)

18:51:46 dionyziz: Nice meeting you.

18:51:51 dionyziz: Bye for now.

18:54:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46800 @ 0.00074439 = 34.8375 BTC [+] {2}

18:54:39 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/AngeloBTC/status/519170753036427264 << lol @ seamonster

18:54:41 assbot: /hashtag/BearWhaled?src=hash http://t.co/BknJyNIy5S

18:55:23 pete_dushenski: i guess he's andreas 3.0 (2.0 was twobittard)

19:00:16 dignork: mircea_popescu: bias was mentioned as part of explanation on why arbiters will act as random oracles, thus making risk split 50/50 on buyer and seller.

19:19:32 Naphex: So.. did you guys check out http://coinspark.org/ yet ?

19:19:33 assbot: CoinSpark | Lightweight Scalable Solution for Colored Coins

19:29:54 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: afaik even wot api is cached

19:29:58 *: ben_vulpes chuckles

19:30:03 ben_vulpes: yeah, that'd stop realtime anything

19:30:22 kakobrekla: even realtime chuckles

19:30:49 ben_vulpes: i'm an asynchronous chuckler

19:31:05 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski that's moderately interesting. do you think the pink whale's responsible?

19:31:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:49:20 thestringpuller: where is wot api?

19:49:25 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes hook me up

19:50:14 *: ben_vulpes chuck

19:50:22 *: ben_vulpes les

19:58:42 thestringpuller: seriously just gonna leave me hangin?

19:58:48 xanthyos: wow btc is in the black!

19:58:59 xanthyos: 5.4% up last 24h

19:59:21 xanthyos: this is it, guys. next stop 10k

20:14:35 ben_vulpes: lol u

20:14:37 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

20:14:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 329.7, Best ask: 331.11, Bid-ask spread: 1.41000, Last trade: 331.11, 24 hour volume: 77530.12186140, 24 hour low: 295.89, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 314.494778796

20:16:42 thestringpuller: xanthyos: 5.4% up last 24h that's a pretty good ROI

20:17:16 dignork: Naphex: coinspark << another OP_RETURN riding model, similar to counterparty. Cool part - SPV, but it actually relies on asset tracking servers: http://coinspark.org/create-asset/asset-tracking-server/

20:17:17 assbot: Optional: Run your own asset tracking server | CoinSpark

20:27:07 thickasthieves: http://www.complex.com/music/2014/10/battle-rapper-daylyt-attempted-to-poop-on-stage-after-getting-booed-at-a-show-this-weekend

20:27:07 assbot: Battle Rapper Daylyt Attempted to Poop On Stage After Getting Booed At a Show This Weekend | Complex

20:27:09 thickasthieves: poop!

20:36:16 TomServo: You're failing pretty hard when you fail at shitting.

20:37:21 Naphex: dignork: yeah, the only thing that i mind is that you can't have asset tracking servers track everything

20:37:27 Naphex: and have to specify some reference ID

20:37:39 Naphex: i mind yet*, still checking it out

20:39:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00074476 = 13.0333 BTC [+] {2}

20:39:18 Naphex: atleast their issued code, apperantly whats running on their free servers tracks everything

20:40:08 TomServo: Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck.

20:45:31 dignork: Naphex: still, as far as I can see they fail to provide any usefull functionality besides what already done in counterparty. Impossibility to spend/destroy assets by dumb wallet is a nice touch, but that's it.

20:50:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00074487 = 28.1561 BTC [+] {3}

20:52:16 punkman: from coinspark server thing, sounds safe "PHP compiled with the --enable-shmop option, since the PHP script communicates with the compiled C process via shared memory."

20:52:29 punkman: also "At least 8 GB of RAM."

20:52:56 Naphex: punkman: the deamon which parsesd bitcoind data dir, uses shmop as IPC

20:53:09 Naphex: and there is just this php tat would IPC with it using shmop lol

20:53:53 punkman: so what is it, colored coins?

20:54:05 Naphex: colored coins with some asset servers

20:56:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7083 @ 0.00074512 = 5.2777 BTC [+]

21:00:54 sgornick: Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter - http://Twitter.com/Qntra

21:00:56 assbot: Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter

21:02:22 mircea_popescu: dignork yeah in that you have a point

21:03:01 mircea_popescu: still the major problem will be that while on average say it's an ideal market, 0% bias, that average has a poisson distribution of maybe 15% each way, so any individual buyer could see a price fuzziness as close to 30% as his luck gets.

21:03:18 mircea_popescu: ie, want to sell for 20, sell anywhere between 17 and 23.

21:06:02 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> yeah, that'd stop realtime anything <<< realtime and trust don't mix. the fundamental is this old thing from coinpal : http://fraudsters.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/

21:06:03 assbot: Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:06:26 mircea_popescu: ;;messages cazalla

21:06:26 gribble: Error: "messages" is not a valid command.

21:06:32 mircea_popescu: ;;notice cazalla

21:06:32 gribble: Error: You don't have the reply.notice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

21:06:39 mircea_popescu: lol wtf was it

21:06:55 mike_c: ;;notes cazalla

21:06:55 gribble: Sent 7 minutes ago: <sgornick> Re: Qntra.net, I registered @Qntra on Twitter before some griefer /squatter did. Then put a Twitterfeed to push tweets from the RSS feed. When you want the twitter acct, let me know what e-mail to assign it to. It can't be an e-mail already used for any other twitter account.

21:07:57 mircea_popescu: TomServo> Holy shit this 'seamonster' "crash analysis podcast" is a train wreck. << but that's what you were there for right ?

21:08:37 mircea_popescu: <punkman> also "At least 8 GB of RAM." << that sounds like five ddoses waiting to happen...

21:09:45 mircea_popescu: !up junkie

21:09:53 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sgornick nice of you eh.

21:09:53 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:25:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1325 @ 0.000589 = 0.7804 BTC [+]

21:39:29 mircea_popescu: ;;seen psterryl

21:39:29 gribble: psterryl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <psterryl> how many individual trades there were

21:42:27 penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/receiver-for-bflabs/

21:48:37 mircea_popescu: "According to the report, a work for successfully enforcing the schooling has been dynamically pushed forward as the one involving the whole state, all people and the whole society and signal successes have been made in it."

21:48:52 mircea_popescu: i guess ex-drpk bureaucrats can probably find job writing forum prospectuses.

21:53:56 mike_c: ;;seen wyrdmantis

21:53:56 gribble: wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 3 days, 11 hours, 54 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?

21:55:16 mike_c: ;;isitdown bcoinnews.com

21:55:18 gribble: bcoinnews.com is up

21:55:36 mike_c: not for me gribble.

21:57:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17120 @ 0.00074556 = 12.764 BTC [+]

21:59:08 kakobrekla: !s bitlendingclub

21:59:08 assbot: 0 results for 'bitlendingclub' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bitlendingclub

21:59:54 kakobrekla: 400% apr https://bitlendingclub.com hehe

21:59:56 assbot: BitLendingClub: Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending Platform

22:04:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00074298 = 14.3024 BTC [-] {3}

22:05:20 xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dAHGvmT6v8

22:05:20 assbot: Earth Time Lapse, International Space Station, ISS, Fly Over, ORBIT HD - YouTube

22:15:44 punkman: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Rare-Apple-iPhone-6-Prototype-64gb-/171483815097

22:15:44 assbot: Brand New RARE Apple iPhone 6 Prototype 64GB | eBay

22:16:11 punkman: ;;calc 100000 / [tlast]

22:16:12 gribble: 301.8503426

22:17:02 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1000000 / [twontlast]

22:17:02 gribble: Error: "twontlast" is not a valid command.

22:17:26 mircea_popescu: it's not as much a command as a scrying :D

22:22:19 ben_vulpes: ;;tlast

22:22:21 gribble: 331.38

22:22:28 ben_vulpes: ah.

22:22:30 ben_vulpes: ;;bcstats

22:22:32 gribble: Current Blocks: 324180 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 395 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 22 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35337713013.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.95112

22:27:57 mircea_popescu: !up tomding

22:33:44 punkman: here have some weird https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAoME_aMm1w

22:33:44 assbot: T.O.P - DOOM DADA M/V - YouTube

22:40:29 thickasthieves: or writing prospectii for Pat Byrne http://www.wired.com/2014/10/overstock-com-assembles-coders-build-bitcoin-like-stock-market/

22:40:29 assbot: Overstock.com Assembles Coders to Create a Bitcoin-Like Stock Market | WIRED

22:41:30 thickasthieves: "After Overstock builds its cryptosecurity software—which will likely take several months—Byrne intends to present the system to regulators for approval. But this may be difficult to win, because the SEC and the incumbent banks are so set in their ways."

22:41:46 punkman: lol

22:41:56 mircea_popescu: heh.

22:42:22 mircea_popescu: lettuce never learn from the mistakes of asicminer. lettuce forever be speshul and cover the same wrong turns.

22:42:22 thickasthieves: ftr i was never offered the position :)

22:42:45 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ for absolutely no reason.

22:42:46 assbot: The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:44:11 thickasthieves: AM is selling $0.33/GH now, i wonder if thatmeans theyll pay divs again

22:45:38 thickasthieves: ;;estimate

22:45:39 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35371817081.7 based on data since last change | 39333332992.6 based on data for last three days

22:45:49 thickasthieves: lol was 37 yesterday

22:46:15 mircea_popescu: yea prolly gonna bust that 41 or 43 or w/e the bet was

22:46:19 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

22:46:22 gribble: Current Blocks: 324182 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 393 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35371817081.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.04952

22:46:41 mircea_popescu: it went up a whole .1% in twenty minutes, that estimation.

23:18:25 mircea_popescu: fucking arsonists these people.

23:18:31 mircea_popescu: 2nd fire in my building in like a month or so

23:19:07 TheNewDeal: grease fire?

23:19:29 thickasthieves: argentinians are pretty greasy

23:19:39 mircea_popescu: nah this smells like paper

23:19:54 mircea_popescu: i guess must be a dyi divorce gone bad or something

23:21:43 assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VAT8RZ.txt )

23:21:43 BingoBoingo: !b 6

23:22:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.00012 = 0.6 BTC

23:24:43 BingoBoingo: qntra traffic thus far, I'll get on cazalla to set up quantcast when he's back: http://i.imgur.com/HaGe47Y.png

23:31:51 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, "The term "palimony" is not a legal or historical term, but rather a colloquial portmanteau of the words pal and alimony coined by celebrity divorce attorney Marvin Mitchelson in 1977 when his client Michelle Triola Marvin filed an unsuccessful suit against the actor Lee Marvin."

23:32:02 mircea_popescu: seems it'd have been better called marvinomy

23:49:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/rockminer-r4-devices-seized-at-customs-one-person-detained/

23:57:34 TheNewDeal: ;;trust penguirker

23:57:34 gribble: Error: "trust" is not a valid command.

23:57:56 TheNewDeal: ;;gettrust penguirker

23:57:56 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user penguirker: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=penguirker | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=penguirker | Rated since: never