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00:00:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'raspberry pi' << terrible machine for the money, plus long history of disinformation and hype bordering on outright fraud: >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540882 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-01-2015#988359 etc

00:00:39 assbot: Logged on 01-03-2014 22:42:52; asciilifeform: re: raspberry pi: the news item is - a sham

00:00:39 assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 21:52:21; asciilifeform: 'raspberry?' terrible, terrible i/o. ethernet on same usb as the storage. no thanks.

00:01:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments)

00:03:44 asciilifeform: jurov: ...that supposedly leaks key material by any channel conceivable << i never suggested any specific channel.

00:04:27 asciilifeform: jurov: recall mircea_popescu's 'act from cause not towards purpose' heuristic? it applies here

00:04:31 airgapped: asciilifeform: ever looked at VoCore?

00:04:47 asciilifeform: jurov: we don't need to know -precisely- what kind of rape broadcom intends for us

00:04:55 asciilifeform: jurov: for all we know, ver.1 doesn't even come with a raper

00:05:08 asciilifeform: jurov: just built to get us in the rape pens quicker.

00:05:16 asciilifeform: !s vocore

00:05:17 assbot: 3 results for 'vocore' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vocore

00:05:26 asciilifeform: ^ was discussed here before

00:06:04 asciilifeform: airgapped: if you want to carry out crypto on a chip with built-in radio, be my guest

00:06:06 asciilifeform: i'll pass.

00:06:50 airgapped: have one but it also contains bin blobs

00:06:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2014#564580 << thread

00:06:56 assbot: Logged on 18-03-2014 01:19:43; asciilifeform: our friends at ft. meade call this 'NONSTOP'

00:07:32 asciilifeform: in this case it doesn't even matter whether there are blobs

00:07:46 asciilifeform: thing's a 'submarine with screen door'

00:08:13 asciilifeform: doesn't even matter if the radio is switched on

00:08:33 asciilifeform: and if you went to school and they didn't teach why this is, go and get your money back

00:09:33 airgapped: we are running out of options here

00:11:09 airgapped: I have been loking for minimal node for some time but there is no good option it seems

00:12:11 asciilifeform: !s pogo

00:12:12 assbot: 194 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo

00:12:46 asciilifeform: ^ small 'nas' computer available in usa for < 20 usd; reasonably-well-understood leaked chip docs; reasonable performance

00:12:59 asciilifeform: not perfect by any means, but a number of folks here are experimenting with it

00:13:09 airgapped: yes, will try this one

00:13:11 asciilifeform: for the lack of a clearly superior 'bang for the buck' elsewhere

00:13:45 asciilifeform: !up airgapped

00:14:14 asciilifeform: there is some conflation of unrelated things here

00:14:31 asciilifeform: bitcoin node is not really a cryptographically-sensitive device

00:14:50 asciilifeform: (assuming one does not partake in the braindamage of using a node as a wallet)

00:15:04 mircea_popescu: shit.

00:15:24 mircea_popescu: janyary my foot! omg! I GOT BUGS! THEY'RE MULTYPLYYNG

00:15:30 mircea_popescu: an' i'm losing control...

00:16:14 airgapped: what i'm looking for is just a node, wallet is out of scope

00:17:56 airgapped: I'm running it on latest rp but pogo looks like good alternative

00:18:18 asciilifeform: airgapped: read the #b-a logs, there is a wealth of material on the subject

00:18:59 airgapped: I will, danielpbarron already pointed out his notes

00:19:13 cazalla: asciilifeform, i read orlov's post soviet lessons.. article last night and my impression is that some of what he predicts relies on suggestion we've passed peak oil, but then i have read elsewhere peak oil has been debunked or that we're not even close to passing it.. can you share thoughts? not much turns up in logs

00:19:50 asciilifeform: cazalla: the 'debunkings' are crude sham jobs to put the plebes to sleep

00:20:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11515 @ 0.00038955 = 4.4857 BTC [-] {2}

00:20:26 mircea_popescu: cazalla it is elementary that if you keep taking out of a sack and never adding, eventually you run out.

00:20:33 asciilifeform: cazalla: it is worth your while to become acquainted with the actual theory (vs the popular disinfo presentation of it) - rather than 'running out of oil', considerably more complicated (approximately, running out of -economical- oil)

00:20:41 mircea_popescu: whetrher you care or not - entirely different discussion.

00:21:22 asciilifeform: likewise, 'running out' is a broad stroke

00:21:44 asciilifeform: implies the price going from reasonable to $maxint overnight, or the like

00:22:00 asciilifeform: actual reality of nonrewables exhaustion is considerably more interesting

00:22:33 mircea_popescu: for that matter... it turns out there's not enough rare earths on earth to make an ipad for each person alive.

00:22:36 cazalla: mircea_popescu, whether you care or not would be influenced if you are to run out tomorrow or 100-200 years from now though

00:22:39 asciilifeform: (price spike - not necessarily large, economic convulsions leading to 'demand destruction', price drops, useless mouths resume proliferating, etc. rinse&repeat)

00:22:56 asciilifeform: cazalla: again, 'run out' is a dodge concept

00:23:00 mircea_popescu: cazalla this decade is out of the question.

00:23:14 asciilifeform: no mineral 'runs out' like the air in a diver's tank

00:23:15 mircea_popescu: but once the saudi flood is done, imo that's it, oil will only ever be expensive.

00:23:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oil is not a mineral in this sense tho.

00:24:04 mircea_popescu: you can't run out of carbon, ie, the element. but you can run out of, say, sugar. venus is a fine example.

00:24:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'mineral - wrong word, yes. meant 'полезные ископаемые' in general

00:24:13 asciilifeform: approx. 'useful shit to dig up'

00:24:22 asciilifeform: implies that you can dig up economically

00:24:24 mircea_popescu: vespene gas

00:24:59 cazalla: vespene gas actually works well considering what an end game of broodwar looked like once it ran out

00:25:16 mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, practically, the peak oil thing is a lot less interesting now that electric cars have been demonstrated than 20 years ago. (dunno if you know, but this has been a fringe theory for > 50, almost 100 years by now)

00:25:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: moves the mineral question to the storage battery

00:25:54 mircea_popescu: yes, but that is considerably less explored a space.

00:25:57 asciilifeform: (as well as the rest of the electro-junk in there)

00:26:04 mircea_popescu: also, lithium, blessfully, is a lowly element.

00:26:19 asciilifeform: Li isn't especially abundant in economically recoverable form

00:26:25 mircea_popescu: that can change.

00:26:54 cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's not that i'm interested in it (or would understand/appreciate the issue tbh) but it seemed obvious way to poke a hole in orlov's prediction, at least that it might occur in my lifetime anyway

00:26:59 asciilifeform: if gonna fuse H to get it, may as well do it right in the car...

00:27:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "if you're gonna fuck, might as well make the chick you're fucking in the same go" ?

00:27:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know how, then yes!

00:27:40 mircea_popescu: nuts.

00:27:54 asciilifeform: cazalla: most of orlov's mechanics apply to any kind of anglo world collapse, not necessarily 'petro-flavoured'

00:29:33 asciilifeform: incidentally

00:29:55 asciilifeform: the (very old!) nickel-iron battery is superior to Li (and all other extant chemistries) in all respects but energy density

00:30:06 asciilifeform: virtually indestructible

00:30:10 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, S.CARS would be pretty cool. a company that a) aspires atmospheric H2, b) fuses it into Li c) which it uses to make car batteries while d) the energy so produced it uses to make the cars and fill them up.

00:30:17 asciilifeform: iirc there are 100+ year old examples which still function as rated!

00:30:19 mircea_popescu: prolly not even cost a trillion.

00:30:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not to mention the earth is about 80% nickel and iron by mass.

00:31:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it also laughs at deep-cycling, overcharging, heat, vibration...

00:31:38 asciilifeform: but as ancient tech, for some reason not of interest to any existing manufacturer outside of china

00:31:44 asciilifeform: (where it is used in farm equipment, iirc)

00:31:50 mircea_popescu: you know, i'd like to read a sf novel which explores a future where technology has re-arranged deep magma of earth into a humongo battery

00:32:01 cazalla: related to running out of something.. techcrunch reports yesterday's bitcoin auction was the last of dpr's coins.. bloomberg quote usms as saying otherwise

00:32:02 mircea_popescu: and the human civilisation is organised around the implicit currency of "Stored joules"

00:32:25 mircea_popescu: cazalla hardest thing for a fraudster is to keep the story straight.

00:33:42 asciilifeform: ;;google nickel-iron battery

00:33:42 gribble: nickel iron battery information: http://www.nickel-iron-battery.com/; Nickel–iron battery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93iron_battery; Nickel-Iron NiFe batteries by Iron Edison: http://ironedison.com/

00:33:59 asciilifeform: ^ lol, is that an american firm?!

00:34:06 asciilifeform: wonder what they charge.

00:36:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc decade old data, it cost about 2.5-3x as much but obviously you never had to replace anything.

00:36:43 asciilifeform: aha

00:36:45 asciilifeform: like mercedes.

00:36:48 mircea_popescu: people generally went for the "cheaper" solutions that rarely last 5 years

00:37:04 asciilifeform: same story as the rest of technocivilization

00:37:08 mircea_popescu: right.

00:37:38 asciilifeform: thing wants new electrolyte every 2-3 decades, but it costs pennies

00:37:46 mircea_popescu: some of the cleverer dcs use them bnecause they're so very tolerant. which makes it the best heuristic to evaluate the operational wisdom of any dc.

00:38:14 mircea_popescu: "do you have a basementfull of nife ?" "o yeah! shit rocks" vs "say wut ?"

00:39:08 mircea_popescu: then they run for 4 years and have to replace the batteries, and run for another 2 and there's a lightning strike and have to replace them again. tru story.

00:39:32 asciilifeform: standard Pb cells are good for 2-3 tops

00:39:41 asciilifeform: (less if actually put to use)

00:39:45 mircea_popescu: i don't think you may use pb anymore.

00:40:03 asciilifeform: pretty much the only remaining use permitted worldwide is battery

00:40:22 mircea_popescu: mno, actually being phased out, for years now.

00:40:29 asciilifeform: hm must be eu thing

00:40:38 asciilifeform: what did they decree? NiMH?

00:40:51 mircea_popescu: im not really that up to date. prolly.

00:40:59 asciilifeform: (in usa, cars, trucks, 'ups' - ~100% Pb)

00:41:01 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be so sure you'll get permits for new development in the us, eithert.

00:41:10 mircea_popescu: this is a different discussion.

00:41:18 asciilifeform: every ups vendor i know of is shipping chinese cells

00:41:24 mircea_popescu: and new cars also don't really come with lead batteries.

00:41:45 asciilifeform: haven't seen an auto shop yet that stocks anything but Pb battery

00:41:52 asciilifeform: and was in one not long ago

00:41:53 mircea_popescu: aftermarket diff story

00:42:03 asciilifeform: possibly

00:42:09 *: asciilifeform not diligent scholar of the subject

00:42:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, to imagine the "ban smoking" thing is an isolated incident is naive. no, there's a shitton of these underway, continuously, and generally unreported.

00:43:18 asciilifeform: one of the most famous idiocies was the light bulb thing

00:43:37 asciilifeform: there is always some joker standing ready to take over from whatever widget is up for the ban hammer

00:43:42 mircea_popescu: 3rd world killer basically.

00:44:01 mircea_popescu: "O, you're now advanced enough where you could start some light industry ? fu!"

00:44:23 asciilifeform: they're permitted industry, just under very... different terms

00:44:28 asciilifeform: more belgian-rubber.

00:45:13 mircea_popescu: right. the tlp described phenomenon of "oh, this class of medicine is now generic ? guess what, on a review of the data available it turns out it wasn't effective anyway, so we're using Y now instead".

00:45:22 asciilifeform: pharma sop

00:45:23 mircea_popescu: it's not just medicine. it's pretty much everything.

00:45:42 asciilifeform: i'll add that virtually 100% of r&d investment by extant pharma firms is precisely this and only this

00:45:57 asciilifeform: 'find a place to stick an extra methyl where it won't matter but now patentable'

00:48:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044250 << holy shit this is the stupidest thing ever. srsly, cpu mining ?

00:48:57 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 15:37:55; BingoBoingo: http://forum.utorrent.com/topic/95041-warning-epicscale-riskware-silently-installed-with-latest-utorrent/

00:50:00 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo that epicscale debacle prolly qntrable.

00:50:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:50:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's on qntra alrady

00:50:21 asciilifeform: *already

00:50:26 mircea_popescu: ah nm :)

00:50:30 asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/03/crapware-still-bundles-mining-software

00:50:31 assbot: Crapware Still Bundles Mining Software | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/18YutHR )

00:51:02 mircea_popescu: sveet.

01:06:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7931 @ 0.00038574 = 3.0593 BTC [-]

01:10:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3661 @ 0.00038574 = 1.4122 BTC [-]

01:13:19 cazalla: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/07/world/europe/german-law-requires-more-women-on-corporate-boards.html?_r=0

01:13:22 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/18YwKCU )

01:14:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2942 @ 0.00038508 = 1.1329 BTC [-] {2}

01:14:41 mircea_popescu: nuts.

01:15:32 mircea_popescu: the demographics of qntra readership as depicted by quantcast never cease to amaze me.

01:17:01 mike_c: apparently we're all asian men 25-34

01:17:03 cazalla: what's behind the push for such things?

01:17:25 cazalla: maybe qntra needs quotas so that 30% of readers are women

01:17:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044298 << it's so appalingly dumb tho. cpu bitcoin miner would barely make any satoshi.

01:17:42 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 19:03:35; asciilifeform: 'join our botnet voluntarily, save orphans!'

01:18:14 mircea_popescu: mike_c politically active, politically unafilliated, filthy rich, mostly azn, some caucasian.

01:18:48 mircea_popescu: (in fact it's mostly white with more asian than "normal", which considering the normal is gawker-and-wikipedia dumbternets... )

01:19:33 mircea_popescu: mike_c anyway, the demographic that supposedly "doesn'ty exist" and "doesn't matter" and "never wins elections" and so on and so forth.

01:19:56 mike_c: it'll be interesting to see it after another couple 10x bumps

01:20:04 cazalla: what's the other in race demo? jews?

01:20:39 mircea_popescu: prolly, judging by how it looks.

01:21:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cpu bitcoin miner would barely make any satoshi << cargocult

01:21:32 mircea_popescu: i dun get it, honest.

01:21:37 asciilifeform: also - until we hear otherwise - safe to assume that it was mining a crackpot alt

01:21:44 asciilifeform: (they typically do nowadays)

01:21:46 mircea_popescu: they specifically said bitcoin tho

01:21:49 asciilifeform: hm.

01:21:54 mircea_popescu: but yes, thisd would make sense, with some shitty alt.

01:21:56 asciilifeform: then unadulterated idiocy

01:22:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7415 @ 0.00038588 = 2.8613 BTC [+]

01:23:22 mircea_popescu: btw, anyone put together the "usg will target ammunition rather than small arms" with the "various agencies bought and stored millions of rounds at the beginning of this decade" to come to a "usg will ban ammunition period" thing yet ?

01:23:39 mircea_popescu: as in, they are actually making rounds the future currency ?

01:23:51 asciilifeform: lol not deliberately

01:24:03 mircea_popescu: usg survival plan once shtf ? "well...we got the largest stores of ammo of anyone...so..."

01:24:11 asciilifeform: even to have it happen by accident would require some sort of standardization

01:24:37 mircea_popescu: why ? they banned smoking alright

01:24:43 mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of smokers.

01:24:54 asciilifeform: iirc most of the famous stockpile is '.40', a caliber unpopular outside of usg afaik

01:25:09 asciilifeform: (pistol round)

01:25:22 mircea_popescu: honestly i'd have stored .5 AP

01:25:27 asciilifeform: http://www.firearmstalk.com/images/3/9/0/8/3/thumb2_rounds-178.jpg

01:25:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9snQL )

01:25:29 asciilifeform: ^ center

01:25:44 asciilifeform: was, iirc, designed specially for usg

01:26:38 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/50_AE_and_32_ACP.jpg/275px-50_AE_and_32_ACP.jpg there.

01:26:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9sAmU )

01:27:02 mircea_popescu: except the thing pictured is not a proper ap round.

01:27:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: are you sure you were thinking of -this- .50 ?

01:27:39 mircea_popescu: no, it's what wikipedia had.

01:27:44 asciilifeform: rather than what is called .50 bmg in usa

01:27:58 asciilifeform: (the one found worldwide, actually used in everything from light aircraft to sniper)

01:28:07 asciilifeform: http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/52467.jpg << that one

01:28:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18Yyf45 )

01:28:56 mircea_popescu: apparently the de .5 ap, explosive, incendiary etc rounds are secret on internet.en ?

01:29:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bmg is a machine gun round not a pistol round

01:31:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in english-speaking world 'weirdo' rounds (explode, flechette, etc.) are generally made for '12' shotgun

01:31:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, the thing is just on the margin : the common "action express" .5 round is generally stopped by a level 3 and always by a level 4 vest.

01:31:57 mircea_popescu: but the ap variant cuts through any practical armor, and generally can be used against lightly armored aircraft as well.

01:32:11 asciilifeform: fire at aircraft from pistol barrel, lol!

01:32:18 mircea_popescu: sure.

01:32:19 asciilifeform: where, at the airfield ?

01:32:26 asciilifeform: walk up to it?

01:32:30 mircea_popescu: urban warfare baby.

01:33:00 asciilifeform: the .5 pistol is considered a 'crackpot' curio in usa

01:33:18 asciilifeform: (not sure about elsewhere)

01:33:24 mircea_popescu: it's hard to fire for womenz.

01:33:47 asciilifeform: sorta reminiscent of the late-medieval 'hand cannone'

01:34:03 mircea_popescu: it is just about at the tolerance level of a physically elite man.

01:34:20 asciilifeform: why not at least give it a wooden folding stock like the old 'mauser'

01:34:27 mircea_popescu: lol

01:34:31 asciilifeform: even 'elite' pistolero has wrists, they aren't made of stone

01:34:48 mircea_popescu: by the time you're shooting this it supposedly no longer matters.

01:35:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, pointless stock. if you can use stocked stuff just get a carbine or something.

01:35:42 asciilifeform: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg << obligatory 'for when it no longer matters' weapon

01:35:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18YyXye )

01:35:56 asciilifeform: invented - unsurprisingly - in jp

01:36:55 mircea_popescu: let's put it the other way : a sharp tungsten tipped .5 round is >20 bux.

01:37:36 mircea_popescu: you can shoot through us style "walls" by ir with it just fine.

01:37:44 mircea_popescu: now... how many wrists does 20 bux a round buy ?

01:37:53 asciilifeform: you can shoot through u.s. 'walls' with almost anything

01:37:56 asciilifeform: probably even arbalest.

01:38:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of small arms, are you familiar with (historic) 'gyrojet' ?

01:38:51 asciilifeform: famous failed product (no one seems to agree precisely why failed) but very instructive re: yesterday's thread

01:39:13 mircea_popescu: lol arbalest guerilla regiment. gastraphetes!

01:39:21 asciilifeform: as it used a miniature rocket (approx. the size of .5 round...) which was fin-stabilized and rotated, it needed only a very simple firing mechanism and low-pressure barrel

01:39:24 asciilifeform: (smooth of course)

01:39:27 mircea_popescu: is this the french "rocket" fired from small arm ?

01:39:31 asciilifeform: but functioned otherwise like a regular pistol

01:39:34 asciilifeform: american

01:39:36 mircea_popescu: that trivially ended up pushing against branches etc ?

01:39:41 asciilifeform: nope

01:39:52 asciilifeform: after a metre or so, went at same speed as regular round

01:40:07 asciilifeform: so no good for shooting a fella in the head directly. but otherwise worked

01:40:32 asciilifeform: today (and for some decades) it is a museum rarity (r. reagan, famously, owned one)

01:40:46 asciilifeform: but i bring it up because of the 'low-tech small arms' thread

01:40:55 asciilifeform: needs only very basic metallurgy

01:41:01 asciilifeform: and can be scaled up arbitrarily

01:41:06 asciilifeform: (being a rocket rather than cannon)

01:41:37 asciilifeform: http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/usa/gyrojet-e.html

01:41:38 assbot: Modern Firearms - Gyrojet ... ( http://bit.ly/18YzEHG )

01:41:40 asciilifeform: ^ basic summary

01:41:43 mircea_popescu: well... once the usd v2.0 pistol rounds thinkg takes form, we can make these :D

01:43:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044327 << note that there weren't nearly as many of these in 1995.

01:43:09 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 20:35:22; trinque: they can try; there are hordes of rednecks in the woods already stocked up for armageddon

01:43:13 mircea_popescu: in a sense, the trying causes it.

01:43:41 asciilifeform: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141024152906/starfrontiers/images/0/07/13mm_gyrojet_pistol_round.jpg << rocket

01:43:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9w9tp )

01:44:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044334 << nope, not yet. it still pays.

01:44:04 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 20:38:28; asciilifeform: if there were a 'rural militia' with above room-temperature iq, usa would already look like iraq

01:44:11 asciilifeform: (looks like i misremembered re: fins)

01:44:19 mircea_popescu: give it a week and a half of "we can no longer give you free stuff"

01:44:42 mircea_popescu: remember that time when food stamp system ran out of funds, took a three day hiaturs, everyone held their breath ?

01:44:50 trinque: nobody I was talking about collects food stamps

01:45:04 mircea_popescu: that was the equivalent of the mike hearn "let's test bitcoin". the result came out kinda clearly - 9 maybe 10 days. that's it.

01:45:28 mircea_popescu: trinque sure. but they're not the problem, either.

01:46:14 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: would like Francis Underwood if he were a real person.

01:46:29 mircea_popescu: ;;ud Francis Underwood

01:46:30 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Francis+Underwood | Representative Francis J. “Frank” Underwood (born July 26, 1959) is the House Majority Whip and anti-hero of the hit Netflix original "House of Cards". He is, on ...

01:46:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4985 @ 0.00039876 = 1.9878 BTC [-]

01:47:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044342 << i think you grossly misunderstand it. yes, they'd love to be left alone, yes all of them could grow with no deliveries of anything.

01:47:13 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 20:41:27; asciilifeform: trinque: as i understand, this isn't ru circa 1917, the hypothetical rebels don't 'just want to be left alone' - not one in ten thousand is able to grow anything edible without regular deliveries of petrol, pesticides, etc.

01:47:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you must be thinking of another usa on another alternate planet earth

01:48:03 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i just think you'd admire someone who'd want to completely gut the welfare state

01:48:04 mircea_popescu: recall, i actually spent months walking that place.

01:48:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where ?

01:48:11 thestringpuller: s/admire/respect

01:48:15 asciilifeform: appalachia ?

01:48:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from boston to nuevo laredo, all the way.

01:48:24 trinque: granted my parents farm might not be the most defensible place, but it *does* produce using about 1850s level tech

01:48:25 asciilifeform: or perhaps where the amish are found ?

01:48:38 asciilifeform: there are a few places with 'living fossils' yes

01:48:40 mircea_popescu: i spent months going from town to town by bus.

01:48:41 trinque: the place even has its own natural gas well, heh

01:48:55 trinque: mircea_popescu: wow, very cool

01:49:07 mircea_popescu: so it may be a case that YOU be thinking of another usa hm ? :D

01:49:18 asciilifeform: trinque: the place even has its own natural gas well << realize that it turns the place into a non-negotiable military objective - read: target - rather than survival haven

01:49:31 mircea_popescu: i thoughjt the discussion was "left alone"

01:50:09 mircea_popescu: trinque chetty was with me!

01:50:23 trinque: mircea_popescu: I want the book on your life someday.

01:50:50 trinque: I'd probably have to learn romanian and read that part of fraudsters

01:51:01 asciilifeform: my understanding (by no means perfect) is that the 'can produce and feed selves with 1850 tech' and 'armed for civil war' crowds are disjoint sets in usa

01:51:02 mircea_popescu: lol. that'd work.

01:51:10 trinque: asciilifeform: that part does probably rule out the place in particular

01:51:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform used to be, 20 years ago.

01:51:13 mircea_popescu: they broadly merged.

01:51:14 trinque: my point was people can produce food

01:51:19 trinque: the gas isn't involved in the food production

01:51:29 trinque: just makes keeping the cows alive easier

01:52:18 asciilifeform: trinque: the gas makes the spot a strategic objective for anyone with pretensions of keeping some basic tech going and any kind of army whatsoever

01:52:45 trinque: no no, I concede that

01:52:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the scenario was "stop the trucks!"

01:52:52 asciilifeform: (most likely whatever the largest and nearest usg fragment is)

01:53:02 trinque: the trucks stop and they still eat, til someone comes for the natural gas

01:53:03 mircea_popescu: well... maybe his uncle!

01:53:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the short-term picture? sure

01:53:22 mircea_popescu: thjis idea that the remnants automatically inherit the land is naive. one in ten is my experience.

01:54:48 asciilifeform: usg doesn't need 'the land' (again ru-1917 thinking pattern) for much. only the gas wells, etc., industry, fields, slaves

01:55:19 mircea_popescu: this idea that the remnants automatically inherit a chunk of the future is naive. one in ten is my experience.

01:56:36 asciilifeform: probably not automatic, no

01:57:08 mircea_popescu: the reason there even is a remnant in the first place - vz, the collapse - is that they didn't have enough virility in the system.

01:57:25 mircea_popescu: it's not magically sprung up by the end. expect a good half of usg to just lay down and die, just like that.

01:57:36 asciilifeform: but the folks with actual mil training (plus shoulder-launched antitank rockets, real-time satellite view, other goodies) will have a 'fair' fight with the others over it.

01:57:44 mircea_popescu: expect the aspirational 20% to murder the rest of the 40% in the process of selecting the half of itself that may go on.

01:57:53 asciilifeform: sop

01:57:58 mircea_popescu: right. so... one in ten.

01:58:13 trinque: so the stepdad's ex-mil and well armed/trained

01:58:22 mircea_popescu: and 0% of the "responsibility to govern". if two dukedoms over someone makes clitoris stu, expect nobody to care.

01:58:25 trinque: whatever that's worth in the situation

01:58:39 mircea_popescu: trinque hence "<mircea_popescu> well... maybe his uncle!"

01:58:55 trinque: what I'm gathering though is I have very little rational options beyond get rich, and do it now

01:59:06 mircea_popescu: that'd be the gist of it.

01:59:12 asciilifeform: if two dukedoms over someone makes clitoris stu, expect nobody to care << the whole notion that someone must care, is a bizarre creation of the patients in usg asylum

01:59:17 mircea_popescu: unlike at... no point in history, lol.

01:59:25 trinque: heh, yeah

01:59:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aye.

01:59:51 *: mircea_popescu delights in picturing the hordes of "awareness raisers".

02:00:18 mircea_popescu: "have you raised any awareness today, brother ?"

02:00:37 trinque: compulsively plugging dead phones into dead outlets over and over

02:05:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4401 @ 0.00039876 = 1.7549 BTC [-]

02:11:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00040964 = 4.7928 BTC [+] {2}

02:16:22 asciilifeform: has anyone here managed to get adacore's 'gps' to run on anything other than winblows ?

02:16:26 asciilifeform: (or so much as tried)

02:19:41 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/ross-ulbricht-seeks-new-trial/

02:27:57 decimation: re: batteries < I've never heard of a non-Pb car battery http://corporate.interstatebatteries.com/msds/

02:27:58 assbot: Safety Data Sheets (SDS) | Interstate Batteries, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GscbfJ )

02:32:50 decimation: asciilifeform: re: gyrojet < lol "recoiless rifle" from your fist? Does the exhaust burn your eye out too?

02:49:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044411 << "a whore floats in all weather".

02:49:59 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:00:46; danielpbarron: i'm probably in the *worst* place to be when this stuff goes down, although asciilifeform's locale doesn't sound very pleasant either

02:50:14 mircea_popescu: location's really a secondary concern.

02:51:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044419 <<< fwiw, i watch films made in the past 20 years <1% of the time.

02:51:20 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:10:10; cazalla: the majority of movies are shit anyway so even if i had the time to watch them on the reg, they are not even worth pirating

02:51:39 mircea_popescu: talk about a scavenger cult

02:54:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044435 << prolly good idea to make this policy now. archive and screenshot EVERYTHING.

02:54:19 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:24:35; cazalla: BingoBoingo, maybe should've saved the utorrent forum complaints.. forum offline now lol

02:54:23 mircea_popescu: archive.today thing works fine.

02:55:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044436 << so what's the problem with that ?

02:55:30 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:25:02; asciilifeform: trinque: the hypothetical 'mutual assistance' org you suggest would roughly resolve to a 'society for let's we all get filthy rich, and not warren-buffet-usg-rich either, but mircea_popescu-rich'

02:56:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044448 << "slightly" :D

02:56:31 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 21:27:52; asciilifeform: i might exaggerate slightly, but at any rate it won't be accomplished by a fella with a day job.

03:03:16 danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/Avatar_X.txt "On why your comment was removed? Well, you decided to do a slight snide remark and at the same time promote another site. If you had just said: qntra is worth a look. they are more into articles and commentary though. Then you comment would be still there."

03:03:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdpbEF )

03:03:47 mircea_popescu: wassat ?

03:05:00 danielpbarron: a private thing between me and a moderator of "THE Bitcoin Community on Google+ since 2012"

03:05:08 mircea_popescu: lol ok.

03:05:26 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: wallowing with the eagles again, eh ?

03:05:33 decimation: danielpbarron: someone uses google+ besides poettering?

03:05:46 danielpbarron: i was surprised too, decimation

03:05:54 mircea_popescu: there was a fetlife "btc" fetish group

03:06:01 mircea_popescu: dead since... i dunno, 2013ish

03:06:24 danielpbarron: i barely use the thing and i have 1/5 the "views" of Ethereum's page

03:07:25 decimation: I came upon a google+ stat awhile ago in the logs: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2015#987609

03:07:26 assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 04:54:20; decimation: lol http://www.businessinsider.com/google-active-users-2015-1 " In other words, 0.2-0.3% of all G+ profiles, about 4-6 million users, have made public posts in 2015. "

03:08:10 mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty much dead, goiung the way of te yahoo briefcase or w/e

03:08:15 decimation: ;;calc 0.003*6000000

03:08:16 gribble: 18000

03:08:27 asciilifeform: counting supposed users is pure spamatronics anyway

03:08:53 danielpbarron: if it's dead it's because mods like the one i talked to "remove posts and comments all the time and every single day."

03:10:46 decimation: well, if the numbers above are in the right ballpark, google+ has the population of a county seat in rural kansas

03:11:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044628 << lol. ironically, it is!

03:11:14 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:26:21; kakobrekla: its anal rape half way only

03:11:44 mircea_popescu: decimation i think you're doing it wrong. ~5mn made posts, of a total > 10bn profiles ?

03:12:02 decimation: possibly, I read it the other way

03:12:11 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/fderp-january-february-2015-combined-statement/

03:12:12 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-february-2015-statement/

03:12:29 decimation: yeah upon re-reading the article you are right

03:13:11 mircea_popescu: it just doesn't make sense for g+ to only have a few mn profiles for all the resoureces they poured into it.

03:13:27 decimation: that's around the population of arizona

03:13:46 mircea_popescu: more's the point, even that watsapp spam outfit had 100mn active.

03:14:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00040661 = 1.6264 BTC [-]

03:14:35 decimation: yeah but that's a slightly different case right? in the sense that whatsapp enabled cross-platform communications?

03:15:43 *: decimation has never used whatsapp nor ever plans to

03:17:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2818 @ 0.00041098 = 1.1581 BTC [+]

03:17:44 mircea_popescu: it's mostly a thirld world thing i gather.

03:17:55 *: asciilifeform is just barely aware of what it was/is, and doesn't think he knows anyone who has seen much less used it

03:18:04 decimation: but if they are simply piping sms from one network to another, than their 'user count' has the same significance as that which the bum who owns brooklyn bridge can claim

03:19:08 mircea_popescu: it's an app.

03:19:23 mircea_popescu: their user count has as much significance as princess leia's ex boyfriend count.

03:19:33 mircea_popescu: not like anyone's marrying her anyway.

03:19:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044667 << arm is not actually "purpose built silicone".

03:19:52 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:47:26; asciilifeform: if you're selling it, having understood the above line of reasoning and can offer no meaningful counter - you are a scammer.

03:20:03 decimation: jabba the hut has a purpose for her

03:20:22 mircea_popescu: does he wear a hoodie ?

03:20:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he specifically mentioned cryptoaccelerator modules

03:20:41 mircea_popescu: a

03:20:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (these are often included as coprocessor 'cores' on conventional cpu)

03:21:00 mircea_popescu: and specifically disused by people serious about their crypto

03:21:10 asciilifeform: the chip found in 'pogo', incidentally, has a somewhat dusty one

03:21:13 decimation: asciilifeform: actually you could 'harden' a microcontroller against side channel attacks

03:21:17 asciilifeform: and yes specifically disused

03:21:55 asciilifeform: decimation: the manufacturer can claim to harden against attack. can even do so, to an extent. you - buyer - have no way to distinguish; not to learn what else is - or is not - inside

03:22:08 asciilifeform: i seriously didn't imagine this being such a hard concept for folks to grasp

03:22:25 decimation: asciilifeform: aye. nor could any amount of 'crypto module software' help

03:22:34 mircea_popescu: lol alf giving airgapped guy an incredibly hard time

03:23:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044688 << cuz someone pays him toi.

03:23:10 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:55:48; asciilifeform: airgapped: let's take your word. why, then, do you spend your days working on a problem to which the answer cannot exist ?

03:23:22 mircea_popescu: i know people who try to write novels. another problem for which the solution can not exist.

03:23:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've no idea who he is, but he fit my expected pattern for the inevitably next mr yetmoarspam far too well

03:23:45 mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to behead people after rather than before, you nut you.

03:23:56 mircea_popescu: give love a chance!

03:23:59 asciilifeform: if fella's any good he'll snap that head back on & rejoin

03:24:09 mircea_popescu: if he's any bad, also.

03:24:15 asciilifeform: lol

03:24:17 asciilifeform: probably.

03:24:44 mircea_popescu: why then doi you claim to solve a problem through a process through which no solution could be had!

03:25:02 asciilifeform: hm?

03:25:25 mircea_popescu: explicitly : what is the difference between him making secure crypto arms and you cutting random heads ?

03:25:26 asciilifeform: wouldn't dream of trying to solve the particular problem in that thread

03:26:05 asciilifeform: poor fella arrived just as i was thinking of attempting essay re: specificity-of-diddling

03:26:10 asciilifeform: and ended up it

03:26:23 mircea_popescu: lol.

03:26:25 mircea_popescu: happens.

03:26:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2015#1044644 << beginning of thread

03:26:32 assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 23:41:18; asciilifeform: it is absolutely essential, to understand what is being spoken of here, to go back to the thread about the specificity of hardware-diddling.

03:27:16 asciilifeform: to borrow mircea_popescu's terminology, buying a dedicated, e.g., rsa silicon, communicates information to enemy which he has no business learning

03:27:25 asciilifeform: regarding your intentions to compute rsa funktion

03:27:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1044696 << this is sadly such sop, i doubt most derps even register there's anything wrong with it.,

03:27:32 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 00:01:46; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and deliberately pseudo-open architecture (runs linux, sure, but with massive closed blobs required even to boot. and vendor regularly pays media mouthpieces to lie about it; also posts astroturfed comments)

03:27:52 asciilifeform: 'raspberry' is egregious and famously so even among the other horrors

03:28:18 asciilifeform: in, for example, the fact that the 'blob' does not merely initialize the hardware, but actually runs at all times on its own coprocessor

03:28:30 decimation: asciilifeform: would you ever voluntarily use a broadcom chip for anything?

03:28:43 decimation: asciilifeform: that's sop in every smartphone that exists

03:28:52 decimation: can't even examine the blob

03:28:57 asciilifeform: decimation: can't say that i would

03:30:25 asciilifeform: 'from cause rather than from principle'

03:30:52 asciilifeform: folks ask me questions like this in meatspace and i end up explaining that no, i do not necessarily know of a specific sin for that specific part number

03:30:59 asciilifeform: but 'fruit of poison tree'

03:31:24 asciilifeform: *rather than purpose

03:31:37 asciilifeform: damnit

03:31:50 asciilifeform: cause rather than purpose.

03:33:33 decimation: yeah I get your point

03:33:43 asciilifeform: now, i happen to have a large collection of hard (and soft) ware that i consider questionable. but it is kept around specifically for abusive experimentation rather than 'use' in the usual sense.

03:33:58 decimation: hopefully one day you will be able to buy your matrix of logic cells from costco to feed into your Mr Fuser

03:34:51 *: asciilifeform wishes he could name someone other than himself who is working on this problem, but cannot

03:35:26 decimation: so prevailing 30 year fixed mortgage rates went from 3.5 to 4.0 in about 2 weeks

03:36:09 mircea_popescu: clearly desperate bid to reign in inflation

03:36:18 decimation: and 10 year treasuries went from %2.1 to %2.25 just today

03:36:28 mircea_popescu: by now every fucking wikipedia entry containing a sum of dollars has to have a "x in 2013 dollars" affixed.

03:36:43 decimation: all this is because usg released a report that said that 30k more people 'have jobs' and wages were flat

03:36:59 mircea_popescu: no, all this because they're not stupid, and would like to not hang.

03:37:03 decimation: which doesn't mean shit for actual economics but means alot for the magic fed decision meter

03:37:37 mircea_popescu: i'm so curious if next mulatoo in chief actually finds a volcker v2.0

03:38:04 *: asciilifeform wonders what the rate would have to be to cut off the chump flow

03:38:08 asciilifeform: 100% ?

03:38:11 asciilifeform: 1000?

03:39:09 decimation: the problem is, if you raise rates to the 18% per annum that real estate prices in new york imply, you quickly find that usg is paying all its tax to debtors

03:40:14 mircea_popescu: nah, my guess atm is 32.

03:40:17 mircea_popescu: !up ponzi

03:40:47 ponzi: ;;seen wences

03:40:48 gribble: wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 37 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 4 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?

03:40:51 mircea_popescu: but as a theoretical, probably impractical solution. otherwise, 1-2% hikes each quarter for the next 3-5 years would be what a sane cb would do

03:41:29 mircea_popescu: decimation you don;t mega hike it, you put it on a pain plan.

03:42:33 cazalla: mircea_popescu> archive.today thing works fine. <<< i have started to do this

03:42:40 mircea_popescu: good.

03:43:18 asciilifeform: ideally the mirror would be a genuine #b-a-affiliated box, no ?

03:44:02 asciilifeform: would suck to lose all the mirrored pages in one shot if archive.today is taken out

03:44:29 mircea_popescu: well... yes.

03:44:49 mircea_popescu: nothing beats a local copy, obviously

03:45:02 mircea_popescu: really important stuff can also be deedbot-'d

03:45:42 cazalla: well archive.today provides a download of the archive it makes as well

03:45:58 cazalla: (and yes i know that this cannot be 100% trusted)

03:46:36 mircea_popescu: it makes a nice jpg of the page that can be downloaded.

03:47:24 decimation: what's a 'pain plan'?

03:47:46 decimation: pay the little people 0% when inflation is well above 10%?

03:47:50 mircea_popescu: when you tell the slavegirl "today, you X this much, and tomorrow X+k, and so forth each day X+nk"

03:48:36 mircea_popescu: "the only thing you know for sure is that tomorrow's going to be worse" = pain plan

03:48:51 mircea_popescu: pretty much every good computer game ever.

03:49:06 decimation: heh yeah

03:51:37 decimation: not only will usg be paying all of its tax revenue to debtors, the fed's $4.5 trillion worth of 3% mortgages won't look so good

03:53:58 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

03:54:23 mircea_popescu: i'm not a miracle worker, i'm a butcher. i don't revive dead cows, i just cut them apart.

03:59:31 decimation: ;;calc 18000000000*0.2

03:59:31 gribble: 3600000000

04:00:29 decimation: so at 20% rate, usg pays $3.6 trillion in interest per year. current annual tax revenue is $3.1 trillion

04:01:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.0341 = 1.0571 BTC [-]

04:05:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8478 @ 0.00042348 = 3.5903 BTC [+] {2}

04:11:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00042457 = 3.1843 BTC [+]

04:17:02 decimation: heh EUR/USD fell to $1.08 from $1.10

04:17:38 asciilifeform: now kakobrekla can buy pogo!

04:17:40 asciilifeform: lol

04:23:07 decimation: asciilifeform: now's the time to import euro strange I guess

04:33:13 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation short explanation as to why exactly it can no longer be fixed.

04:33:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:33:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9999 @ 0.00042457 = 4.2453 BTC [+]

04:44:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00042457 = 2.5899 BTC [+]

04:44:54 mircea_popescu: digging up to see which the fuck earl of somerset was pete talking about (i thought that's a duchy), it turns out there's two different 1st earls of somerset : John Beaufort (Gaunt's son, in 1300s) and Robert Carr, in the 1500s.

04:50:51 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: ;)

04:51:49 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : the middle german term for a tournament is... butthurt.

04:52:03 mircea_popescu: bouhourt in french.

05:06:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00042457 = 1.8257 BTC [+]

05:13:21 thestringpuller: !up Vexual

05:14:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00042574 = 2.4906 BTC [+] {2}

05:17:38 Vexual: why never anyone ups me until i am three sheets?

05:19:32 Vexual: ok so we've got a thing about a cat with good quality management teq

05:20:15 Vexual: weve done poisionous snkes lately tho

05:21:29 Vexual: 8 point, what is this..

05:26:23 Vexual: well, i had this cat wot had 5v kittens

05:26:56 Vexual: one died, presumable of snakebit, and the next day it shooed every other to other places

05:27:12 Vexual: it stopped eating fish and dissappeared,

05:28:06 Vexual: it was eating taipans, and i found them about the house missing the tasty parts, then it really dissappeared but remerged from under a junk pile with 3 new kittens

05:28:32 Vexual: they were the same color but better

05:29:32 Vexual: 2 left and one stayed, and the mother also turned into a footstool, again, presumably snakebite

05:32:33 Vexual: aint life grand

05:42:34 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELMxZ96HVAU

05:44:08 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

05:49:54 Vexual: ;;seen xinxi

05:49:55 gribble: xinxi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <xinxi> no one is here?

05:54:35 Vexual: working on the hutter prize?

05:57:35 Vexual: ^theres some more constraints for your perpect laptop alf

05:59:10 Vexual: if you give a fuck i imagine it makes things real easy

06:02:04 asciilifeform: wai wat

06:02:30 Vexual: my ai prefers wrongness

06:03:08 Vexual: well like your classic laptop is to classic cars, you can do a time test, running your own software

06:03:33 Vexual: and one russiian always wins

06:03:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00041473 = 2.4054 BTC [-]

06:05:07 Vexual: hed have b-a logs on a knuckle tattoo

06:05:12 *: asciilifeform doesn't know even what kind of dope he ought to take in order to understand any of the above

06:05:37 cazalla: what ya drinking this evening Vexual ?

06:05:51 Vexual: beer, ive gotta drive later

06:09:14 Vexual: as people prefer outcomes these days

06:09:17 Vexual: *ai

06:10:05 Vexual: maybe a taxi then

06:11:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041314 = 2.768 BTC [-] {2}

06:11:18 cazalla: yeah sounds an idea unless you've only had a few

06:12:26 Vexual: yes

06:12:43 cazalla: i'm drinking some bundy, meant to drink last night but sidetracked with that orlov article and then zzz

06:14:20 cazalla: !up Vexual

06:14:25 cazalla: drinking this https://www.danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_788413

06:14:30 assbot: Bundaberg Master Distillers Collection Small Batch Rum 700mL | Dan Murphy's | Buy Wine, Champagne, Beer & Spirits Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1aS8ItU )

06:14:44 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

06:14:53 Vexual: brb

06:15:01 cazalla: those master distiller's batches they put out over the years have been hit and miss

06:24:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5751 @ 0.00042311 = 2.4333 BTC [+]

07:05:15 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

07:10:45 cazalla: bah soz vexual, was eating muh dinner

07:10:51 mircea_popescu: heh gotta love the "usg could do shit" muppetry on qntra.

07:12:34 cazalla: i wonder if guy commentating as Jorge Stolfi is Jorge Stolfi

07:12:58 mircea_popescu: not like being jorge stolfi is that valuable.

07:13:01 indiancandy1: hiii

07:13:24 mircea_popescu: who's he again, some random fiat-pushing etatist muppet from brazil ?

07:13:30 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i wouldn't know either way, just saw a wikipedia page!! after googling

07:14:03 mircea_popescu: that's good prima facie evidence of nobodyness.

07:15:22 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jorge_Stolfi << lawl.

07:15:23 assbot: Talk:Jorge Stolfi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1x2OphS )

07:15:27 mircea_popescu: A Wikipedia contributor, Jorge Stolfi (talk ? contribs), may be personally or professionally connected to the subject of this article. Relevant guidelines include Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Autobiography, and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.

07:17:10 mircea_popescu: random etatist muppet from brazil is really a wikipediot first class, too. will wonders never cease.

07:18:52 mircea_popescu: for illustrative purposes, http://38.media.tumblr.com/545009b7f49c13e5d45dafddfc2406a3/tumblr_n676jqxaMl1ttk21ho5_r1_500.gif

07:18:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1x2OLVI )

07:18:57 mircea_popescu: the blondy's name is stolfi.

07:20:47 cazalla: looks like a calypso (iceblock from 80s)

07:25:05 cazalla: danielpbarron, who is avatar x? steph?

07:27:49 cazalla: mircea_popescu: there was a fetlife "btc" fetish group <<< buttcoin? at least it'd be a fitting name

07:28:20 mircea_popescu: lol nope

07:28:24 cazalla: had a few too many drinks so..

07:30:56 indiancandy1: grr

07:30:58 indiancandy1: wassup yp

07:31:03 indiancandy1: you guya

07:31:06 indiancandy1: guys**************

07:32:34 cazalla: you cam whoring yet indiancandy1 ?

07:33:33 indiancandy1: lol

07:33:36 indiancandy1: what

07:33:47 cazalla: clock's ticking

07:34:37 mircea_popescu: lol

07:34:42 mircea_popescu: how's the film biz ?

07:35:58 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

07:37:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0004255 = 2.2552 BTC [+] {3}

07:38:30 indiancandy1: its shit

07:38:48 indiancandy1: u no anything about internet marketing]

07:39:56 cazalla: sex sells!

07:41:45 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 everyone thinks they do.

07:43:35 indiancandy1: lol

07:43:37 indiancandy1: no

07:43:40 indiancandy1: man be seriose please

07:44:10 mircea_popescu: i am.

07:44:51 fluffypony: NIGGA BE SERIOSE. PLEASE.

07:50:37 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/d8d38ac8f7c9b15db664eec17b101f88/tumblr_n32qv5ENti1svwz07o1_500.gif internet marketing.

07:50:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Foy8Zo )

07:53:49 indiancandy1: mp u pervert

07:54:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00042756 = 3.6343 BTC [+]

08:39:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00042793 = 6.7185 BTC [+] {3}

09:03:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10692 @ 0.00043193 = 4.6182 BTC [+] {2}

09:04:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10758 @ 0.00043346 = 4.6632 BTC [+]

09:21:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00044123 = 1.7208 BTC [+]

09:49:38 cazalla: !up m4rCsi

09:49:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00044123 = 1.809 BTC [+]

10:14:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 10000 @ 0.00028609 = 2.8609 BTC [+]

10:16:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00044388 = 4.1947 BTC [+] {2}

10:23:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00041672 = 1.3752 BTC [-]

10:25:44 cazalla: !up indiancandy1

10:31:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6936 @ 0.00041672 = 2.8904 BTC [-]

10:59:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00044515 = 1.2019 BTC [+]

11:18:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7534 @ 0.0004241 = 3.1952 BTC [-] {2}

11:23:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3704 @ 0.0004493 = 1.6642 BTC [+]

11:53:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00042258 = 3.2116 BTC [-] {2}

13:15:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00042017 = 1.4286 BTC [-] {2}

13:31:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00041495 = 1.888 BTC [-]

13:32:20 danielpbarron: cazalla> danielpbarron, who is avatar x? steph? << no idea; some guy who sent me a private message on google+ who thinks he's important or something

13:33:00 nubbins`: re: raspi blob

13:33:02 nubbins`: http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf

13:33:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18ZRpqc )

13:33:14 nubbins`: baby steps

13:33:26 nubbins`: (^ released over 1y ago!)

13:34:15 nubbins`: also http://anholt.livejournal.com/

13:34:27 nubbins`: (Also: lj?!)

13:35:53 danielpbarron: height=257915 vs height=201620 (usb3: height=235018)

13:41:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.0004235 = 3.6209 BTC [+]

13:42:20 asciilifeform: nubbins`: they are contractually obligated to never fully deblob it on account of mpeg 'license' crapolade

13:43:26 asciilifeform: nubbins`: and the vendor is an known, egregious, and unrepentant liar, intent on giving an impression of 'open' for some strange reason

13:44:37 nubbins`: yeah, i read the non-info of the press release bragging about open-sourcing the shim between the cpu and gpu

13:44:50 nubbins`: who gives a fuck about mpeg tho! (aside from those who do)

13:45:22 nubbins`: re: open, it's just the fashionable clothing these days 8)

13:45:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00042379 = 3.8777 BTC [+] {2}

13:47:37 nubbins`: my understanding is that mpeg is required for their camera add-on (no idea why)

13:47:50 nubbins`: really don't see the problem w/ swapping out for ogg

13:52:25 asciilifeform: nubbins`: their chip isn't quite fast enough for guaranteed real-time high-res video without the hardware accel.

13:52:44 nubbins`: nod

13:53:13 nubbins`: and if there's one thing necessary to bringing STEM education to third-world classrooms...

13:53:42 asciilifeform: l0l

13:53:44 nubbins`: it's 1080p @ 60fps o.O

13:58:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00042117 = 4.3802 BTC [-] {2}

13:59:36 *: nubbins` shrugs, continues using raspi as AirPlay receiver

14:23:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00041586 = 1.6426 BTC [-]

15:17:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00041443 = 3.1704 BTC [-] {4}

15:23:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2658 @ 0.00042228 = 1.1224 BTC [+]

15:24:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045296 << sounds pretty painful.

15:24:36 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 13:34:15; nubbins`: also http://anholt.livejournal.com/

15:24:59 nubbins`: he's using livejournal, obv masoch

15:25:57 nubbins`: but yeah, 2nd sentence, "I learned some unstated rules about..."

15:25:59 mircea_popescu: indeed.

15:26:05 mircea_popescu: on both scores.

15:26:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045301 << who do you count there ? broadcom ?

15:26:13 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 13:43:26; asciilifeform: nubbins`: and the vendor is an known, egregious, and unrepentant liar, intent on giving an impression of 'open' for some strange reason

15:26:39 mircea_popescu: the eben upton broadcom response to rhel's poettering ?

15:27:32 nubbins`: so, i'm sure we all know why debian is called debian

15:28:03 nubbins`: i'm researching some soy-based industrial cleaning products from a company called franmar

15:28:12 nubbins`: owned by -- you guessed it -- a frank and a marilyn

15:28:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` because that's the first thin through murdock's mind ?

15:28:54 PeterL: RE gyrojet: one thing that sped failure was 13 mm caliber, which exceeded the 12mm size limit, so needed extra note from stalin

15:29:43 PeterL: it would be interesting to see something a bit larger tried with grenade shell

15:31:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: broadcom. but also the apologists (many of whom, i gather, weren't even -paid- shills, but merely fools)

15:31:51 mircea_popescu: well, it tried for the entire "being apple" marketing thing.

15:32:12 mircea_popescu: no steve, so not the same results, but it does show there exists this partiuclar herd of cattle in the wild, ready for a milking

15:32:47 mircea_popescu: PeterL you mean fired from grenade launcher ?

15:32:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i kinda followed the whole thing; even bought - back when it was not clear what it was - the device (1st ed. 'raspberry')

15:33:20 PeterL: yeah, sort of a small grenade launcher combining some attributes of gyrojet

15:33:29 asciilifeform: (still have it, and the camera option. mostly gathers dust.)

15:33:34 mircea_popescu: afaik there's only one size grenade launcher.

15:33:44 PeterL: I guess if you scale up any more you get RPG

15:34:20 *: PeterL knows little about current tech in grenade launcers

15:34:35 asciilifeform: ^ afaik those haven't really changed since ww2

15:34:41 mircea_popescu: actually you get the muchly admired panzerhaubitze 2000

15:35:06 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V_-iZYIofU <<< in other news, jack black is a talented fuck.

15:35:07 assbot: High Fidelity - Jack Black - Let's Get It On - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVAs7W )

15:35:23 PeterL: so my question is if they would be improved by adding gyrojet-type propulsion?

15:35:54 mircea_popescu: "Broadcom Corporation is an American fabless semiconductor company in the wireless and broadband communication business."

15:35:55 asciilifeform: PeterL: different animal, really - rocket vs shell

15:36:24 mircea_popescu: "Obama is an American educationless Stanford graduate in the politics and constitutional amendments business"

15:37:11 mircea_popescu: "H R Clinton is a American penisless disk jockey in the porn and sexy business"

15:37:21 mircea_popescu: gotta love tardspedia.

15:41:13 nubbins`: so franmar's cleaning products are all based on methyl soyate

15:41:25 nubbins`: which means that i can get a goddamn /haze remover/ that's drain-safe :0

15:41:37 PeterL: yesterday I was driving through Western Michigan, saw a house with a big Confederate flag in the front yard. was like WTF?

15:43:08 mircea_popescu: speaking of heavy howitzers : a move reminescent of the dumping of the warthog is the army cancellation of crusader paladin upgrade / any nlsc weapon at all. leaving the paladin, a 1960s make, as the pretty much only us howitzer for the rest of history.

15:43:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9799 @ 0.00041272 = 4.0442 BTC [-] {2}

15:43:30 mircea_popescu: that the russians are beating them at air tech is painful but perhaps unavoidable - kennedy's spur failed to outlast kennedy.

15:43:38 mircea_popescu: but that the germans are beating them over artillery ?! cmon.

15:43:59 asciilifeform: the actual selection criteria for u.s. weapons systems funding are not a secret...

15:44:45 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i thought that thing was toxic.

15:44:46 PeterL: US verison of "austerity" is to cut the most useful platforms, trying to scare politicians into giving more funding?

15:45:06 nubbins`: mircea_popescu apparently way, way less toxic than traditional haze removers: lye and bleach

15:45:07 mircea_popescu: PeterL i dunno, but the parallels with 1935 england are striking.

15:45:18 nubbins`: mircea_popescu also biodegradable fwiw

15:45:27 mircea_popescu: nubbins` now this all depends. lye and bleach ARE biodegradable.

15:45:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00041109 = 1.5827 BTC [-]

15:45:33 mircea_popescu: whether this thing degrades or accumulates...

15:45:45 nubbins`: hmm fair

15:46:10 nubbins`: Methyl soyate has a high solvency with a Kauri-butanol (KB) value of 58 and has low toxicity when compared to other common substances. In comparison to most commercial solvents, methyl soyate is safer to handle and store due to its high flashpoint of approximately 360 degrees Fahrenheit and high boiling point of well over 400 degrees Fahrenheit. In addition, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) does not list methyl soyate as an

15:46:10 nubbins`: ozone-depleting chemical (ODC), hazardous air pollutant or volatile organic compound. Methyl soyate�s slow evaporation time can be seen as a disadvantage, but in certain applications methyl soyate outperforms other traditional solvents when longer settle times are needed.

15:46:56 mircea_popescu: http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/chem_background/exsumpdf/methylsoyate_508.pdf

15:46:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpCySP )

15:47:13 nubbins`: (information provided by the United Soybean Board!)

15:47:18 mircea_popescu: lol

15:47:18 asciilifeform: when biodiesel is finally boiled from lusers,

15:47:25 asciilifeform: will it be sold as 'methyl luserate' ?

15:47:28 mircea_popescu: no, i get it, there's this soy lobby. nevertheless...

15:47:42 mircea_popescu: anyone recall the florida orange lobby push for "use orange peels in cleanning products" ?

15:47:43 asciilifeform: methyl redditate

15:47:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ethyl ?

15:48:06 mircea_popescu: make an old bingo happy.

15:48:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what a crock o'shit that was! still sometimes comes with heatsinks as 'degreaser'

15:48:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shut up you unpatriotic bastard you!

15:48:29 nubbins`: heh

15:48:33 mircea_popescu: IT WAS FOR THE ECONOMY

15:48:35 nubbins`: citrus cleaners are still available

15:48:42 nubbins`: you find em at outdoorsy stores sometimes

15:49:05 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i guess they weren't terribad. but still, the push is the lulz.

15:49:12 nubbins`: nod

15:49:24 nubbins`: FWIW i've used these methyl soyate products before

15:49:29 nubbins`: and they're actually fucking *nuts*.

15:49:42 nubbins`: like, nothing compares.

15:49:46 mircea_popescu: "and im happy to report no flying frogs trying to get into the house yet, so there is that."

15:49:56 nubbins`: nod, they just hover outside the windows 8)

15:50:31 mircea_popescu: "making squealing sounds like my ex wife, trying to get me to go out"

15:50:41 mircea_popescu: "but i know better than that, after what happened to little timmy next door."

15:51:38 PeterL: one project I worked at last job on was making a "cleaner" from glycerol (which is a big side product from biodiesel production)

15:51:48 mircea_popescu: ;;google carbon tetrasulphide

15:51:49 gribble: Carbon disulfide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_disulfide; carbon disulfide (CS2) | chemical compound | Encyclopedia Britannica: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/94993/carbon-disulfide-CS2; Carbon disulphide: http://www.fao.org/docrep/x5042e/x5042e0e.htm

15:52:06 mircea_popescu: ^ i used to handle that as a teen!

15:52:14 nubbins`: most of what i know about chemistry comes from screenprinting

15:52:24 nubbins`: phun phact, sodium metaperiodite breaks dichromate bonds

15:52:38 nubbins`: or in layman's terms, emulsion remover removes emulsion ;p

15:53:01 mircea_popescu: lol

15:53:20 PeterL: nubbins`: FWIW i've used these methyl soyate products before << used as solvent?

15:53:28 nubbins`: yeah

15:53:29 mircea_popescu: nah, he does whippets

15:53:35 nubbins`: they fucking *cancel* plastisol inks

15:53:37 mircea_popescu: with a wide variety of compounds

15:54:02 nubbins`: i actually did a couple whippets last month for the first time since uni

15:54:07 nubbins`: 10/10 would not do again

15:54:29 mircea_popescu: prolly cause they changed the laughing gas for tear gas meanwhile.

15:54:31 mircea_popescu: cheaper per ton.

15:54:43 nubbins`: probs

15:54:49 nubbins`: besides, not like i'd know the diff

15:55:16 pete_dushenski: gooood morning!

15:55:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be pointed out that kb 50ish is not really high or anything.

15:55:27 PeterL: didn't we decide propane would be a good substitute gas for the whipped stuff?

15:55:32 asciilifeform: 'a smell of petroleum prevails throughout' (TM)

15:55:36 mircea_popescu: naphtaromatics are what, 500 ?

15:55:57 nubbins`: PeterL propane is used as a propellant in food products

15:56:01 mircea_popescu: PeterL either that or fairy farts, i don't remember. that whole day's a haze.

15:56:20 nubbins`: mircea_popescu try some haze remover

15:56:22 nubbins`: it's made from soy

15:56:28 nubbins`: XD

15:56:34 mircea_popescu: there's hazardous chemicals, and then there's hazearduous chemicals.

15:56:44 nubbins`: yeah

15:57:05 mircea_popescu: how goes petey.

15:57:09 asciilifeform: http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/03/31/turpentine-prevails

15:57:11 assbot: Secret of the Universe: A Strong Smell of Turpentine Prevails Throughout | Quote Investigator ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpEvPe )

15:57:11 nubbins`: haze remover was traditionally the most caustic thing in the shop

15:57:24 pete_dushenski: quite nicely mp!

15:57:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know as a kid i used to go to a school whose wooden floorings were turpentined each week ?

15:57:39 nubbins`: incidentally not all solvents are created equal for these jobs

15:57:42 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnW3xkHxIEQ&app=desktop << lulzy president continues to lulz

15:57:44 assbot: Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis: President Barack Obama - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpEA5l )

15:57:44 mircea_popescu: positively loved the smell.

15:57:47 nubbins`: mineral spirits, for example. terrible ink remover.

15:58:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: betcha love greek wine too

15:58:07 nubbins`: causes the resin particles to swell

15:58:12 pete_dushenski: two cents say 'sneezing baby panda' runs on the gop ticket against hillary

15:58:17 asciilifeform: drinking turpentine was good enough for socrates..

15:58:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wait wut ?!

15:58:34 asciilifeform: ritsina

15:58:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00042228 = 9.079 BTC [+]

15:58:46 mircea_popescu: the greek word for hemlock was translated by the amjew word for turpentine ?!

15:58:50 asciilifeform: nono

15:58:57 asciilifeform: the turpentine from the casks

15:59:34 mircea_popescu: it's damned pine resin you noob! if you can't tell pine from turpentine you've really no business sniffing aromatics!

15:59:46 mircea_popescu: go back to girls!

16:00:04 asciilifeform: pine resin << and turpentine's waht

16:00:24 mircea_popescu: the distillate from corpses of old lawyers and schoolmasters.

16:00:26 nubbins`: resin-based booze 8)

16:00:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought that was benedictine, lol

16:00:57 PeterL: pete_dushenski: two cents say 'sneezing baby panda' runs on the gop ticket against hillary << are you referring to one of the politicians, or an actual panda?

16:01:21 mircea_popescu: anyway. a) they're mostly using "syntetic" turpentine, which is an oil product ; b) ;;google pistacia terebinthus

16:01:35 pete_dushenski: PeterL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzRH3iTQPrk

16:01:36 assbot: The Sneezing Baby Panda - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpFheZ )

16:02:40 pete_dushenski: other potential gop candidates: purple rain, 'leave britni alone', wayahee guy

16:02:59 mircea_popescu: urmom ?

16:03:35 pete_dushenski: basically, all these doods : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEpwBVXbKhs

16:03:37 assbot: South Park - Youtube Parodies - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVFuBr )

16:03:52 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: she's not much for politics ;)

16:04:18 nubbins`: wow, this ink remover is actually marketed as a /mastic/ remover

16:04:42 pete_dushenski: s/purple rain/chocolate rain

16:04:54 pete_dushenski: purple rain was prince...

16:05:03 nubbins`: ^

16:05:05 mircea_popescu: arabic gum ? so ?

16:05:07 nubbins`: i'd vote for prince

16:05:20 nubbins`: "will effectively remove white and yellow mastic and even black asbestos mastic for as low as $.11 per square foot with absolutely no odor and minimal efforts"

16:05:44 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: if you could vote for any american candidate, sure.

16:05:54 nubbins`: yeah, this is all hypothetical

16:06:23 mircea_popescu: fun fact : the island of chios, named Sakız Adası in turkish, is what led to romanian calling it sachiz.

16:06:50 nubbins`: the mastic island!

16:07:15 mircea_popescu: mhm

16:08:03 nubbins`: i can only assume this shares a root with the verb "masticate"

16:08:30 mircea_popescu: it does, as it's how it was used.

16:08:58 mircea_popescu: apparently incredibly loved in the harems, which hadn't yet met the yanks (who had not yet met buffett) so there was no wrigley's.

16:09:18 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045171 << now if only cad would stop getting pounded by chf

16:09:18 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 04:17:02; decimation: heh EUR/USD fell to $1.08 from $1.10

16:09:59 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: how do you feel about this new canadian exchange?

16:10:01 pete_dushenski: why do i care about chf-cad ? planning a trip there for may upcoming!

16:10:09 thestringpuller: My google and youtube is littered with ads from them.

16:10:15 thestringpuller: Smells like neo-bee almost.

16:10:16 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: um quardriga ?

16:10:19 thestringpuller: yessir

16:10:23 pete_dushenski: they're not particularly new

16:10:27 nubbins`: ^

16:10:35 nubbins`: <--won't sign up

16:10:39 pete_dushenski: but yes, i've also seen their ads splashed absolutely everywhere

16:10:42 thestringpuller: why are they generating so much press right now? (other than the "publicly traded")

16:10:51 nubbins`: thestringpuller only remaining canadian exchange

16:11:04 asciilifeform: apparently incredibly loved in the harems << amplified the lulz from remembering that the first (and until moving to usa, only) gum i ever chewed on was turkish

16:11:05 pete_dushenski: because now some derps in vancouver want to 'get on the bitcoin train'

16:11:20 pete_dushenski: and think that this is a reasonable way: advertising! investing! exchanges!

16:11:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045310 << can't get boys into tech without getting the girls into nudity.

16:11:23 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 13:53:13; nubbins`: and if there's one thing necessary to bringing STEM education to third-world classrooms...

16:11:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall reading that you had it too - the one with the racecar photos

16:11:53 asciilifeform: 'turbo' (there were others, i think)

16:12:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform defo.

16:12:12 mircea_popescu: turbo was for kids tho, we had the one before that. with fake money.

16:12:15 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sorta my (and i'm sure many other's here) youth

16:12:37 pete_dushenski: tech was the gateway to girly pics

16:13:03 pete_dushenski: *others, not other's

16:13:21 pete_dushenski: or maybe others'

16:13:37 mircea_popescu: http://www.robotstxt.org/db/ferret.html << what in the Heaven Of Shit's name is this!

16:13:37 assbot: The Web Robots Pages ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVH5Hn )

16:13:45 mircea_popescu: The wild ferret web hopper's are designed as specific agents to retrieve data from all available sources on the internet. They work in an onion format hopping from spot to spot one level at a time over the internet. The information is gathered into different relational databases, known as "Hazel's Horde".

16:13:46 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: either way, they seem to be reasonably reliable

16:14:04 mircea_popescu: known as "we're well the fuck confused, and what are these word things again ? ooo... shiny!"

16:14:04 pete_dushenski: quardriga hasn't done anything exceptionally derpy to my knowledge

16:14:14 pete_dushenski: and i would've heard about it.

16:14:31 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski at least it's not called bitquacoin.

16:14:32 nubbins`: -cad seems ambivalent

16:16:22 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: "reasonably reliable" sounds like drug dealer who shows up 5 hours late, but still doesn't short you.

16:17:17 pete_dushenski: lol i think they're better than that. a broker i've done a few deals with swears by gerald's business

16:17:38 pete_dushenski: gerald cotton, ceo

16:18:11 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

16:18:12 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 273.72, Best ask: 273.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 273.65, 24 hour volume: 19983.55257685, 24 hour low: 270.55, 24 hour high: 276.93, 24 hour vwap: None

16:22:55 nubbins`: pete_dushenski i'm just not interested in providing a scan of my passport/drivers license

16:23:28 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: you've got a local broker then ? or -otc ?

16:23:39 pete_dushenski: not saying i am either, frankly

16:23:54 pete_dushenski: interested in kyc, that is

16:26:26 nubbins`: pete_dushenski i generally do not buy/sell btc

16:26:40 nubbins`: on the rare occasions that i need to, -otc

16:29:53 pete_dushenski: ya so you *really* have no interest in quadriga :)

16:30:20 nubbins`: :D

16:30:23 pete_dushenski: i don't have a ton of personal interest either, just the least stinky poo, i guess.

16:30:31 *: pete_dushenski doesn't eat poo

16:30:39 nubbins`: i'm fascinated that they let you deposit and withdraw physical gold

16:30:54 pete_dushenski: and they 'verify' accounts in, like, an hour

16:31:04 nubbins`: o

16:31:05 pete_dushenski: whereas cavirtex was... weeks ?

16:31:15 nubbins`: fuck cavirtex for 4 or 5 reasons

16:31:35 pete_dushenski: with a spikey stick

16:31:36 nubbins`: fuck vaultofsatoshi because they dealt in fuckin doge

16:31:42 pete_dushenski: lol

16:32:00 pete_dushenski: i suppose that relative to doge, gold seems like way less of a scam

16:32:01 nubbins`: "but we're serious biznismen, promise"

16:32:09 pete_dushenski: from toronto!

16:32:20 nubbins`: where important men do important things!

16:32:26 pete_dushenski: home of all the bizniz!

16:32:35 nubbins`: and etobicokeans!

16:34:08 nubbins`: https://www.quadrigacx.com/trade/btc/xau

16:34:09 assbot: Quadriga Coin Exchange | Trade ... ( http://bit.ly/1aT27zv )

16:34:42 pete_dushenski: lol my bro lives in etobicoke at the moment

16:34:55 nubbins`: tell him to stop voting Ford?

16:35:03 pete_dushenski: lol i tried...

16:35:26 nubbins`: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102459024#.

16:35:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1aT2eev )

16:35:42 nubbins`: can someone please explain to me why this is an issue?

16:35:57 nubbins`: "massive panic as government needs to change value of magic number that means nothing"

16:36:58 asciilifeform: nubbins`: ceremonial

16:37:38 asciilifeform: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102484418 << another l0l

16:37:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1aT2rOJ )

16:40:00 pete_dushenski: phreak attacks.

16:44:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00041109 = 3.0421 BTC [-]

16:55:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9340 @ 0.00041109 = 3.8396 BTC [-]

17:05:04 thestringpuller: oh are we talking about debt celining again?

17:05:21 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: more ritualistic than ceremonial imo

17:05:49 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: was thinking about you last night as we were messing with high amp electronics in the car.

17:06:16 thestringpuller: we were drunk as fuck and I immediately though, "would alf approve?" to see whether or not the procedure we were undertaking would kill us

17:07:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00040898 = 4.1102 BTC [-] {2}

17:08:02 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: just what was it you were doing?

17:09:03 thestringpuller: fucking around with batteries in the not good way

17:09:26 thestringpuller: i eventually had the thought, "Yea ALF would frown on this, lets die another day shall we?"

17:11:01 asciilifeform: thestringpuller was sticking tongue in the smoke socket or what

17:11:30 thestringpuller: ^pretty much

17:12:03 asciilifeform: lol

17:12:59 thestringpuller: don't have multimeter? use tongue instead.

17:13:17 thestringpuller: if death occurs prob > 1 amp

17:13:20 thestringpuller: precision may very

17:13:26 thestringpuller: vary*

17:15:42 nubbins`: good news! my browser appears to be safe from the security bug i just found out about

17:16:07 *: nubbins` shrugs

17:17:08 thestringpuller: nubbins`: what's the bad news?

17:17:33 nubbins`: ...i can't afford another macbook when this one dies?

17:17:43 *: nubbins` shrugs again

17:19:51 asciilifeform: nubbins`: this isn't even it

17:20:08 asciilifeform: nubbins`: there -aren't- any more actual macbooks (in, e.g., the 2010 sense) to be had

17:20:11 asciilifeform: and never will be again

17:20:34 asciilifeform: instead you can buy a 'macbook' where the lcd fractures spontaneously. and/or one where the gpu melts

17:20:46 asciilifeform: or you can just mail apple a box of benjies and skip the suffering

17:22:37 kakobrekla: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/200602-utorrent-accused-of-bundling-cryptocurrency-malware-with-popular-bittorrent-client

17:22:38 assbot: uTorrent accused of bundling cryptocurrency malware with popular BitTorrent client | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mi5Eof )

17:22:48 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: we did that one yesterday

17:22:54 kakobrekla: ah.

17:23:01 *: kakobrekla guilty

17:23:22 asciilifeform: although

17:23:27 asciilifeform: 'As for the chosen programs, both of Epic Scale?s choices are Y-Combinator darlings, but one of them, the HIV vaccine immunity project, has been heavily criticized by scientists for having no actual scientists involved and for pursuing debunked methods of vaccine research.' << is a new l0l

17:23:34 asciilifeform: anyone care to dig up the details ?

17:24:38 adlai: asciilifeform: all i know is an HN headline which i didn't bother opening: "[yc company] (YC '15) finds cures for diseases which don't yet exist"

17:24:53 adlai: (some mysteries are best left mysterious)

17:25:19 kakobrekla: O_o

17:26:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 111 @ 0.03697918 = 4.1047 BTC [+] {4}

17:27:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7590 @ 0.00042343 = 3.2138 BTC [+] {2}

17:27:13 kakobrekla: > I saw the Add/Remove option in the usual place. The installer, it must be noted, is completely broken and uninstalls essentially nothing — but broken uninstallers, in and of themselves, are not crimes.

17:27:17 kakobrekla: myea, too bad about that.

17:28:03 adlai: eh, i'd say that broken uninstallers are 'crimes' at the same level as running a rigged shell game on a touristy broadwalk

17:28:35 adlai: the marks deserve what they get, but i wouldn't want my daughter marrying the dealer

17:51:49 pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats

17:51:55 gribble: Current Blocks: 346590 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 161 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 12 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47182125267.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.0662

17:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00042584 = 2.3847 BTC [+]

18:02:41 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform has yet to discover "extended care" apparently.

18:02:52 ben_vulpes: proverbial "box of benjies".

18:03:20 ben_vulpes: has this magical effect of guaranteeing hardware performance for 3 years.

18:05:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didn't work for my 2 chums

18:05:25 asciilifeform: their machines were -new-

18:05:30 asciilifeform: and apple wouldn't take them back

18:05:35 asciilifeform: 'it was something you did'

18:06:24 ben_vulpes: it's because you live in the Forbidden City.

18:06:29 ben_vulpes: nobody likes that part of the country.

18:06:47 asciilifeform: apples stores everywhere

18:06:48 ben_vulpes: apple ships you people all the 'B' grade hardware.

18:06:53 asciilifeform: packed like trains.

18:07:03 ben_vulpes: they also know exactly how quality each device is.

18:07:08 ben_vulpes: east coast gets the bum hardware.

18:07:28 ben_vulpes: call cali: "oop, sorry. we don't like your kind."

18:07:50 ben_vulpes: "why are you using macintoshes anyways - don't you get government stipends to buy the 10k windows laptops?"

18:09:28 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: only the pentagon does

18:10:04 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you're thinking of 'toughbook' and similar, these aren't normally found among 'desk pilots'

18:10:16 ben_vulpes: nah, the pentagon can barely intercept mail to Fat Kim that has "TOP SEKKREIT PLZ NO BULLY" written all over it

18:10:47 asciilifeform: (if you want to see one, peek into a police car. for some reason the laptop permanently bolted in place there is inevitably a 'tougbook')

18:11:04 pete_dushenski: i've even seen the derps in the photo radar trucks using toughbooks around here

18:11:07 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: seen, entirely in character for bezzleprocurement.

18:11:54 ben_vulpes: anyways, feds can't pull their heads out of their arses. apple, otoh, targets you and yours specifically for pain.

18:11:58 ben_vulpes: "lizard steve".

18:12:04 pete_dushenski: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/cms/binary/10257299.jpg?size=620x400s

18:12:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be9lHY )

18:12:10 pete_dushenski: ^actual photo

18:12:58 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'for your convenience we have packaged the defective transistors separately' ? (famous)

18:13:35 asciilifeform: (jp reply to an american co. which requested, some time in the '70s, a crate of transistors with the 'usual x% defectives')

18:16:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00041645 = 2.4362 BTC [-] {2}

19:06:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00043792 = 1.0948 BTC [+] {2}

19:12:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.000439 = 2.3267 BTC [+]

19:25:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7320 @ 0.00043763 = 3.2035 BTC [-]

19:25:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.03410024 = 1.023 BTC [-] {2}

19:27:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00044012 = 3.0148 BTC [+] {2}

19:37:15 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << 'CloudFront attempted to establish a connection with the origin, but either the attempt failed or the origin closed the connection. ' >> ??!?!

19:37:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/180dgwv )

19:38:05 asciilifeform: jurov ^^^^^^^^ ?!

19:38:11 asciilifeform: mod6?

19:38:56 ben_vulpes: mailman is jurov's beast.

19:51:24 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> lol i think they're better than that. a broker i've done a few deals with swears by << it'd help if he were in wot

19:52:57 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> can someone please explain to me why this is an issue? << because for as long as this is a pretend-issue, they can continue to pretend-ignore the various actual issues.

19:53:39 mircea_popescu: i love how "asap", originally a meek "whenver you have a moment" has meanwhile mutated in usenglish to OMFG RIGHT NOW EMERGENCI

19:58:13 danielpbarron: i actually had a pallet take up precious needed space for longer than expected due to the stupid government shutdown

19:58:27 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> nah, the pentagon can barely intercept mail to Fat Kim that has "TOP SEKKREIT PLZ NO BULLY" written all over it << bwahahaha

19:58:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11440 @ 0.00043763 = 5.0065 BTC [-]

19:59:42 mircea_popescu: cloud wut !?

20:01:29 mircea_popescu: "What if the federal government handed you a check for $1,000? Would that go to that new pair of shoes you've had your eye on? Dinner for the family? Credit card bills? The possibilities are endless."

20:01:38 mircea_popescu: dude cnn sure makes the us sound like east africa.

20:01:47 mircea_popescu: srsly, shoes and food, or else debt ?

20:02:40 mircea_popescu: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102318876 << worth reading for the sheer moronity embedded.

20:02:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPgwa0 )

20:02:49 mircea_popescu: "Some would argue it would mean nothing to the U.S. economy or the consumer's budget anyway. Only a rich person would be that insensitive," the "Mad Money" host said.

20:03:24 mircea_popescu: "Here's the good news: you could have already received that $1,000, but from another source. Pretty sweet, right? It landed in your pocket from a combination of the Persian Gulf nations, non-Opec trading partners, and U.S. oil companies.

20:03:24 mircea_popescu: Thanks, oil!

20:03:24 mircea_popescu: These entities outside of the U.S. have been making money hand over fist for years from oil, and Cramer thinks it is about time that this cartel that kept oil unnaturally high priced for so long return it back to hard working citizens."

20:04:03 mircea_popescu: it just... it's not even bitcointalk level. if these people were fired tomorrow, not all of them would qualify to write ranty nonsensical posts on tardstalk in defense of an entrepreneurial artisan woodcarver or w/e.

20:04:39 asciilifeform: probably an intern

20:05:04 mircea_popescu: Abigail Stevenson Digital Producer

20:05:18 mircea_popescu: she looks like a would be porn starlet that didn't make the cut, tbh.

20:05:23 *: asciilifeform analog consumer

20:06:43 mircea_popescu: i wonder how people justify working there to themselves. "o, i am now stuck in traffic driving towards my workplace, which is cnn. where that fucktard abigail stevenson works. it must mean i'm as incredibly stupid as she is ?!"

20:06:57 mircea_popescu: what goes next ? "no, because i bought that new pair of shoes and dinner" ?

20:07:23 asciilifeform: neh it goes 'no i get to pay rent. mine is not to question why, mine is but to do and die (TM)'

20:07:30 asciilifeform: like the microcontroller fella from last night

20:07:51 mircea_popescu: different article, same source :

20:07:52 mircea_popescu: "A leading tax expert says the Internal Revenue Service can, and likely will, let HealthCare.gov customers keep their Obamacare subsidies through the end of this year if the high court rules in June that those subsidies are illegal.

20:07:52 mircea_popescu: And that six-month grace period in turn could ratchet up political pressure on Republican opponents of Obamacare to develop a plan to replace the valuable subsidies, which would be expiring right on the eve of the 2016 presidential primary season, instead of this summer."

20:07:59 asciilifeform: into the valley of derp, rode the six hundred.

20:08:09 mircea_popescu: pretty much everything on cnn seems to be on the topic of populism.

20:08:33 mircea_popescu: "giving moneyz to ppls!!1"

20:08:53 mircea_popescu: "About 7.5 million HealthCare.gov customers are at risk of losing those subsidies, which help them pay monthly premiums for health insurance plans purchased through that federally run marketplace that serves 37 states. Experts predict that more than 8 million people would become uninsured next year after finding their plans too expensive without the subsidies, and after plan prices rise to compensate for the loss of cu

20:08:53 mircea_popescu: stomers."

20:08:58 mircea_popescu: that shit worked so well omfg...

20:09:15 asciilifeform: it's cement.

20:09:48 asciilifeform: which is to say, making sure that the thing is not removable under any conceivable 'reform'

20:10:20 mircea_popescu: "Accordingly, I respectfully ask Congress to raise the debt limit as soon as possible," Lew wrote in his letter.

20:10:21 mircea_popescu: lmao.

20:10:39 mircea_popescu: "accordingly, we're cutting down our expenditure" said no wh ever.

20:13:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5493 @ 0.00043104 = 2.3677 BTC [-]

20:14:50 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, http://glitzybits.blogspot.com/2007/08/demi-moore-bares-all-for-oui-at-18.html

20:14:52 assbot: Glitzy bits: Demi Moore bares all for OUI at 18. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wPi7fS )

20:15:18 mircea_popescu: somehow, "pickup mastery" was a thing in 1980.

20:16:28 mircea_popescu: TW: 80s nudity.

20:32:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3207 @ 0.00043104 = 1.3823 BTC [-]

20:45:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, on the poetry translation angle, http://fraudsters.com/2011/sfinta-inocenta-puberala/

20:45:31 assbot: Sfinta inocenta puberala pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GtSx38 )

20:45:59 mircea_popescu: it's the 1930 anthem of romania's fascist group, rewritten to quite outrageous ribaldry.

20:49:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8896 @ 0.00041871 = 3.7248 BTC [-]

20:53:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00040676 = 4.149 BTC [-] {4}

20:56:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato!

20:57:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your own creation ?

20:57:05 mircea_popescu: yup.

20:57:12 mircea_popescu: and then had the girls sing it!

20:57:35 mircea_popescu: ;;google sfinta inocenta legionara

20:57:36 gribble: Cassian Maria SPIRIDON - Convorbiri Literare: http://convorbiri-literare.dntis.ro/TATAsep3.html; Senzationalul unor amintiri de mare clasa - Observator Cultural: http://www.observatorcultural.ro/Senzationalul-unor-amintiri-de-mare-clasa*articleID_4369-articles_details.html; Sfintii Inchisorilor | Facebook: https://ro-ro.facebook.com/pages/Sfintii- (1 more message)

20:57:40 mircea_popescu: hm

20:58:10 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppbHF91KaKE < original

20:58:11 assbot: Sfanta Tinerete Legionara - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BixbRI )

21:01:16 asciilifeform: who are the stiffs ?

21:01:33 mircea_popescu: the stiffs ?

21:01:54 asciilifeform: yeah i counted at least 3

21:01:56 asciilifeform: in that film

21:02:13 mircea_popescu: ...

21:02:23 mircea_popescu: me\ actually looks now

21:02:34 mircea_popescu: you mean dead bodies ?!

21:02:37 asciilifeform: aha

21:02:40 asciilifeform: lying about

21:02:57 asciilifeform: 1'32" for instance

21:03:17 asciilifeform: 2'36"

21:03:19 mircea_popescu: oh, the first two are prolly repatriated dead in spain.

21:03:57 asciilifeform: condor ?

21:04:07 mircea_popescu: ion mota, vasile marin. dead in alhambra iirc

21:04:12 mircea_popescu: nah, romania had its own thing

21:04:36 asciilifeform: hey even ireland did

21:05:10 mircea_popescu: and the later pic is i dunno what.

21:06:42 mircea_popescu: im not all that up to date to their internal strife, but think in terms of ny mafia. some underboss or other.

21:06:58 mircea_popescu: tony twoteeth or sammy horseplank or w/e

21:07:12 asciilifeform: assumed it was some horst wessel-like figure or other

21:07:59 asciilifeform: fuckdamnit read a 80GB disk seven times and came up with seven distinct images.

21:08:17 asciilifeform: i go to find out why;

21:08:27 mircea_popescu: lmao

21:08:42 mircea_popescu: diddlatroll.jpg

21:08:46 asciilifeform: best hypothesis appears to be: the chinese crapfarm who built the adapter - used conductive glue instead of solder for one of the connectors

21:08:49 asciilifeform: why - no one knows

21:09:18 mircea_popescu: "Multi legionari ar fi dat orice ca sa-i insoteasca in aceasta Cruciada. Insa lipsa fondurilor si previzibila impotrivire a guvernului fata de o expeditie de amploare au facut ca Legiunea sa trimita pe front o echipa alcatuita din numai sapte oameni." << "everyone wanted to go but too poor to afford the trip, and besides, parents wouldn't approve. so they had their own 7 man condor legion."

21:09:53 mircea_popescu: no sword, no horse.

21:11:16 mircea_popescu: granted, the communist halp was by and large not much better, but anyway,

21:12:05 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/ciblKo8

21:12:06 assbot: wtf conductive glue! drops bits... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GtV90R )

21:12:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3161 @ 0.00040544 = 1.2816 BTC [-]

21:12:56 mircea_popescu: looks like you found someone's toilet break

21:12:56 asciilifeform: about one per ~10 GB, on average.

21:13:58 asciilifeform: wonder if it's actually slightly semiconductive

21:14:12 asciilifeform: and picking up the proverbial 'voice of america' every now & then.

21:14:39 asciilifeform: looks quite like solder from a distance

21:14:51 asciilifeform: (the grungy, dark lead-free kind)

21:15:05 asciilifeform: oddly enough - used for just the pata 40pin header and nothing else

21:15:22 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/68e9a0103fcf9c56fb4d901f12b06400/tumblr_mwvrf4gDpg1rk82pto1_400.gif

21:15:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bizcxd )

21:22:31 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ got rebooted , on it

21:22:32 assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GtVZuA )

21:22:41 asciilifeform: jurov: that thing actually uses 'cloudfront' ?

21:22:42 asciilifeform: why?

21:23:06 jurov: it already shrugged off a ddos attempt at lower cost than anything else

21:23:41 jurov: so, why not?

21:24:37 *: asciilifeform is not sufficiently up to date on the subject to remember why he instinctively flinched at seeing 'cloudfront' on the error page

21:24:47 asciilifeform: possibly the word 'cloud'

21:26:06 jurov: we're back online

21:26:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8335 @ 0.00038088 = 3.1746 BTC [-]

21:27:01 mod6: nice

21:28:12 jurov: well, it's just amazon insists on renaming everything to "elastic cloud". cloudfront is just ordinary CDN and the stuff there is static content.

21:29:27 jurov: and i should shot the word "just" to the head

21:33:15 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/one-february-three/

21:34:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4732 @ 0.00038088 = 1.8023 BTC [-]

21:44:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: .gif << what wasted talent. think of how much cocaine would fit

21:56:25 mircea_popescu: maybe it's training run.

21:57:05 mircea_popescu: jurov it read cloudflare in my head

21:57:18 mircea_popescu: alf prolly same

21:57:23 jurov: aha

21:57:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes!

21:57:53 asciilifeform: it did

21:59:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5733 @ 0.00036906 = 2.1158 BTC [-] {2}

22:16:03 asciilifeform: !up ecstaticpessimst

22:19:57 danielpbarron: http://ecstaticpessimist.in/

22:19:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTLDkX )

22:20:40 adlai: bu20u/b

22:20:45 adlai: oops

22:21:10 asciilifeform: http://ecstaticpessimist.in/projects << lol

22:21:11 assbot: Ecstaticpessimist ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTLQER )

22:21:17 ecstaticpessimst: danielpbarron: you got it

22:21:32 asciilifeform: ecstaticpessimst: what brings you to #b-a ?

22:21:58 ecstaticpessimst: I heard it was a good knowledgable bitcoin community and I wanted to observe

22:22:10 danielpbarron: heard from who/where?

22:22:41 asciilifeform: ecstaticpessimst: best way to get a feel is to read the log, published on www, log.bitcoin-assets.com

22:22:52 ecstaticpessimst: A friend, I forget their irc name though.

22:23:02 ecstaticpessimst: asciilifeform, ill take a look thanks

22:25:13 asciilifeform: http://ecstaticpessimist.in/writings/1 << mega-l0l

22:25:14 assbot: Ecstaticpessimist ... ( http://bit.ly/1MfEFYx )

22:25:19 asciilifeform: ^ worth reading

22:26:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ definitely a 'dulap' sort of flavour

22:26:47 jurov: http://xkcd.com/1495/ lol rmunroe runs foundation code?

22:26:48 assbot: xkcd: Hard Reboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MfET23 )

22:27:13 ecstaticpessimst: I feel like im immediately being dissected.

22:28:00 jurov: viva la vivisection

22:28:15 asciilifeform: ecstaticpessimst: neh, this is the positive reception. the folks who have nothing of interest published - they're the ones who get the dissection

22:29:04 ecstaticpessimst: I havent given anyone that website, i havent added everything ive done to it yet, its like having someone read a book that you've only made loose scribblings on.

22:29:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22948 @ 0.00035965 = 8.2532 BTC [-] {2}

22:29:28 asciilifeform: it's a www site

22:29:30 asciilifeform: public.

22:30:00 asciilifeform: and anyway that's story's a real riot

22:30:30 ecstaticpessimst: true, I just have a very small web presense so most of the views come from people Ive met in person and I dont tell them about it usually.

22:31:36 ecstaticpessimst: haha do you actually think so? if so I want to know what you hated about it.

22:32:13 asciilifeform: liked

22:40:17 asciilifeform: https://torrentfreak.com/under-u-s-pressure-paypal-nukes-mega-for-encrypting-files-150227

22:40:17 assbot: Under U.S. Pressure, PayPal Nukes Mega For Encrypting Files | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTOOJr )

22:42:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13748 @ 0.00037157 = 5.1083 BTC [+] {3}

22:46:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 18 @ 0.1 = 1.8 BTC [+]

22:47:52 danielpbarron: Nobody noticed the hat initially. Was the city too busy for the hat to be anything of interest? It took five or so hours of walking around different parts of Manhattan before anyone said anything. When it started to get dark out people reacted completely differently. One person came up to me, asked about the hat and then offered me a range drugs. http://ecstaticpessimist.in/projects/4-forehead-gallery << LOLOL

22:47:53 assbot: Ecstaticpessimist ... ( http://bit.ly/1MfHFnS )

22:50:29 danielpbarron: ecstaticpessimst, what's the url I can submit stuff to to make it show up on your test subject's head?

22:50:35 asciilifeform: !up ecstaticpessimst

22:50:54 ecstaticpessimst: hahaha

22:50:58 ecstaticpessimst: one sec

22:51:15 ecstaticpessimst: Its by email http://foreheadgallery.github.io/#submit

22:51:15 assbot: Forehead Gallery ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTQbHZ )

22:59:24 danielpbarron: !up ecstaticpessimst

22:59:51 danielpbarron: you might need to ask for a cloak in #freenode / there's a DDoS bot hanging around here

23:02:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4940 @ 0.00034987 = 1.7284 BTC [-]

23:05:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9060 @ 0.00033245 = 3.012 BTC [-]

23:15:53 adlai: "Immediately I noticed the feeling of a fishing line pulling me screen-first throughout the day."

23:37:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00033172 = 2.0567 BTC [-] {2}

23:38:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7386 @ 0.00034219 = 2.5274 BTC [+]