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00:01:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090166 << as if a reverse engineer needs any further "branding" or advertising past the ability to do hisd work.

00:01:51 assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 22:30:17; mats: reverse.engineer can be had for $48,000

00:02:05 mircea_popescu: i don't think there was ever someone unemployed in that field, ever.

00:02:24 mircea_popescu: even fucking air traffic controllers have slumps, once or twice a century one's unemployed. maybe two if it's real bad.

00:04:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090172 << "focusing on yourself" and "getting real, real rich" is no different from seal focusing on itself and getting real, real fat.

00:04:00 assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 23:00:36; lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1084982 << Why ridiculous? Wealth is good, no? Or are you saying that amassing large amounts of currency is pointless in a 'post-industrial' world.

00:08:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00028488 = 7.8342 BTC [+]

00:09:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2015#1090176 << nope. wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever.

00:09:04 assbot: Logged on 06-04-2015 23:06:50; lobbes: Surely wealth alone is not enough, but it does allow some 'power' does it not? Either way, I'm just some schmuck aspiring to wealth. Not sure how much I'm qualified to speak on such things.

00:10:01 mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.

00:40:19 mod6: ok all set on the reciprocity fee. sorry for the bother.

00:49:27 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

00:49:32 mod6: !t m s.mpoe

00:49:33 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00026971 / 0.00028926 / 0.00031364 (2111148 shares, 610.69 BTC), 7D: 0.00023767 / 0.00026111 / 0.00031364 (31724636 shares, 8,283.77 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00028358 / 0.00040484 (105161566 shares, 29,821.75 BTC)

00:50:03 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/tewksbury-police-pay-ransom/ << scoop still somewhere other than here

00:50:03 assbot: Tewksbury Police Pay Ransom | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8h47y )

00:53:57 mircea_popescu: mod6 wd

00:54:08 mircea_popescu: peterl too

00:54:15 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl yo, there ?

00:54:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:55:17 mircea_popescu: "There is no total figure available for the total cost inflicted by the multi agency investigation though $19,604 was paid to Delphi Technology Solutions, the firm which handled the ransom payment for Tewksbury. "

00:55:34 mircea_popescu: this pretty much explains how the thing work. "in order to pay 500 bux to terrorists we must first pay 20k to our own people!"

00:56:25 funkenstein_: cyberlocker not only helped their security but also boosted GDP

00:56:48 Vexual: 20k guys must have had negotiation privilege

00:57:32 mircea_popescu: i suppose as the dea goes bankrupt the ex-dea agents move on to helping local police "fight terrorism" at the rate of 20k for every .5k paid out

00:57:38 mircea_popescu: biznis is biznis.

00:57:44 funkenstein_: now that they've seen a real one they can start faking them

00:58:12 Vexual: http://www.american-buddha.com/3AMIGOS-9b.jpg

01:01:45 BingoBoingo: I wonder how many petty traffic, weed, and misdemeanor tickets would have been unprosecutable if they didn't pay the people to pay the turroristas

01:03:17 mircea_popescu: heh.

01:03:42 mircea_popescu: something they couldn't even legally do, which is why they had to bring in delphi for 20k.

01:04:01 mircea_popescu: more on point : i wonder how many people didn't have to pay their tickets because had intelligent lawyer who disputed chain of custody claims of police.

01:04:11 BingoBoingo: I wonder if the cheiftain did math on fines they's collect on vs. Delphi's bill

01:04:11 mircea_popescu: those documents are probatively worthless now anyway.

01:04:32 mircea_popescu: unless nobody contests it, of course.

01:04:43 BingoBoingo: It doesn't even really take an intelligent lawyer.

01:08:24 BingoBoingo: From the Dpt. of US Satellite States https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB7RD6xUIAAlm8i.jpg

01:08:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8k3gb )

01:09:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... as if a reverse engineer needs any further "branding" or advertising past the ability to do hisd work << it is entirely possible to be under- or even un-employed, or mal-employed (substitute appropriate term..?) in any profession, and yes, even that one

01:10:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... wealth by itself, especially if you imagine cash is "wealth" , does not allow any power whatsoever << i am astonished that this needed to be elaborated. any 'wealth', lacking that other element, can be separated from the 'owner' and his earthly bones by the folks who have both

01:10:56 mircea_popescu: "i have an army, it's all castles, unmanned"

01:11:08 mircea_popescu: "srsly ? and where is this ?"

01:12:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything's possible. in this case tho, the discussion is whether it's possible without the subject's will.

01:13:11 asciilifeform: it is possible if subject is in sufficiently sticky glue trap

01:14:02 mircea_popescu: mebbe.

01:23:38 ben_vulpes: *sigh*

01:23:44 ben_vulpes: good afternoon, serenissimists

01:25:10 mircea_popescu: good afternoon, worst jew.

01:25:36 asciilifeform: actually the record for 'worst jew' is probably mine

01:25:53 *: asciilifeform about half jew depending on how counted, but doesn't know a thing about jewing

01:26:47 mircea_popescu: can you do the hand thing ?

01:26:53 asciilifeform: hand thing?

01:27:01 mircea_popescu: you know, the eeeee-eeeh thing

01:27:08 asciilifeform: doesn't ring a bell

01:27:30 BingoBoingo: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << Incredilol

01:27:35 ben_vulpes: turns out the argentines want *translated* court documents demonstrating name change, *and* they want the translations *notarized* and they want the *notarized shit* bearing a apostille, which today i learned to be a thing.

01:28:17 ben_vulpes: this, i suppose, is what i get for being a us subject

01:28:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc9-rYBOS5w

01:28:19 assbot: seinfeld...."cause you got a Cadillac" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8n6F3 )

01:28:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mega-lulz. i must admit that i never tried to use ubiquiti's linux in earnest

01:28:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It just sounds so much like the Pogo linux situation

01:29:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l. i think it might be a new york thing

01:29:15 mircea_popescu: that's what i said.

01:29:22 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: like just about every 'gpl inside' thing ever.

01:29:49 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes your passport in a different name ?!

01:30:24 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah i uh changed my passport to my new name

01:30:37 mircea_popescu: dude. does the thing have a picture of you in it ?

01:30:41 ben_vulpes: yessir.

01:30:50 ben_vulpes: but the entry fee is registered to the *old* passport.

01:31:24 mircea_popescu: so get a new one.

01:31:46 ben_vulpes: a new "reciprocity fee" document?

01:31:46 *: asciilifeform recalls that getting a passport in usa takes a rather long time.

01:31:58 mircea_popescu: yes.

01:32:11 mircea_popescu: it's fiddy bux or w/e it is, self-serve online.

01:33:05 asciilifeform: 200-ish iirc

01:33:15 asciilifeform: but yes, on their www

01:33:21 asciilifeform: shits out a barcode to print

01:33:21 mircea_popescu: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << i can't believe whoever wrote that seriously thinks linking to unitedagainstnucleariran.com bolsters whatever point they may wish to make.

01:33:26 ben_vulpes: i know how to pay the reciprocity fee, jackholes

01:33:32 ben_vulpes: having.

01:33:34 ben_vulpes: already.

01:33:36 ben_vulpes: paid

01:33:38 ben_vulpes: it.

01:33:52 mircea_popescu: yes. well. visiting argentina will turn out to have been the largest expense of your namechange.

01:34:01 mircea_popescu: as absurd as that may sound.

01:35:36 ben_vulpes: i take some solace in the confusion it'll bring to my poor lizard obama agents.

01:36:04 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << i can't believe whoever wrote that seriously thinks linking to unitedagainstnucleariran.com bolsters whatever point they may wish to make. << Oh, you caught the third layer lulz there. http://qntra.net/2015/03/private-lawsuit-dismissed-because-of-state-secrets-privilege/

01:36:10 assbot: Private Lawsuit Dismissed Because of State Secrets Privilege | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8onvQ )

01:36:52 mircea_popescu: "That's why I decided to make a "deblobbed" version of OpenBSD."

01:36:57 mircea_popescu: guy's nice and all, but...

01:37:07 mircea_popescu: safepay btc ads ? srsly ?

01:39:12 BingoBoingo: Thing seems to be mega crankbait impersonating legit crank

01:40:16 mircea_popescu: how many entries are there between index 46 and 59 ?

01:40:24 mod6: <+asciilifeform> shits out a barcode to print << yup. $160.00 USD for U.S. citizen

01:40:33 mircea_popescu: somehow 13 items became 14 wtf.

01:49:35 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

01:50:16 pete_dushenski: heya everybody

01:50:50 ben_vulpes: hola pete

01:50:59 ben_vulpes: ;seen thestringpuller

01:51:06 ben_vulpes: ;;seen thestringpuller

01:51:06 gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> ^- close the bet

01:51:32 BingoBoingo: ;;seen jurov

01:51:34 gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 3 hours, 19 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <jurov> yes

01:51:51 BingoBoingo: ;;seen dooglus

01:51:52 gribble: dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 43 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 59 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <dooglus> and paragraphs

01:52:03 BingoBoingo: ;;seen Adlai

01:52:03 gribble: Adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 6 hours, 32 minutes, and 1 second ago: <Adlai> ;;bc,stats

01:52:11 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

01:52:13 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes how goes the swamp battle to argentina ?

01:52:16 gribble: Current Blocks: 351040 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1759 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 20 hours, 24 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48149916522.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.62198

02:00:37 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu when reading older fraudsters articles, i notice the odd trackback to contravex, but not so much on the newer articles. are these getting stuck in your spam filter of late ?

02:00:50 mircea_popescu: it is possible.

02:00:57 mircea_popescu: do you get any sort of error message ?

02:01:08 pete_dushenski: nope.

02:01:38 pete_dushenski: come to think of it, the "bitcoinpete" links had a much higher success rate than contravex

02:02:14 pete_dushenski: as we know, wp sucks a donkey's cock, but it still seems odd that none are getting through these days

02:02:37 pete_dushenski: mebbe you don't want them, which'd be your call

02:02:51 pete_dushenski: but if it's just the filter then i thought i'd give you a heads up

02:04:05 mircea_popescu: lemme see here

02:04:21 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/how-to-fix-your-local-trackbacks/ << try that see what happens ?

02:04:21 assbot: How to fix your local trackbacks ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8t9K2 )

02:04:58 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell funkenstein_ i'm assuming this is you ? http://frass.woodcoin.org/?p=66

02:05:01 assbot: Altcoins: Why you need them | Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8thJj )

02:05:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:06:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu that's what brings this up, but to be honest, your instructions are over my head!

02:06:39 *: pete_dushenski isn't smart enough to sling dope, it seems

02:06:55 mircea_popescu: like where ?

02:07:57 pete_dushenski: like at the most basic level

02:09:19 mircea_popescu: lmao get out

02:09:47 joecool: :(

02:09:56 pete_dushenski: joecool me!

02:10:28 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu what, i've never traversed a database before

02:11:08 pete_dushenski: i was all excited when i first read the article, then soon realised that i had miles to go

02:11:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: while on the subject of fraudsters mechanics - what's 'dupa trompi' ?

02:12:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform trompi is a very common name for a cute small toy elephant. romanians have names for everything - for instance azorel is what a cartoon dog should be called ideally.

02:12:30 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://xkcd.com/1508 << as if made for you

02:12:31 assbot: xkcd: Operating Systems ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8uHng )

02:12:39 mircea_popescu: this was elevated to divinity, a sort of fsm, by the people making the robotzi cartoons

02:13:03 mircea_popescu: and i received their revelation in my heart and have converted to the cult of the most reverable trompi, the divine.

02:13:25 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol

02:13:38 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQAc6OAj9c << rain incantation.

02:13:39 assbot: Trompi da sa ploua - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8uU9S )

02:13:47 pete_dushenski: "Nobody can move into bitcoin, take it over, change the protocol or do whatever nefarious thing you can imagine, and force everybody to continue using it. Why not? Because altcoin." << um. might need to check those premises again, funkenstein_

02:13:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a kind of image of just this animal in my head. but not earthling elephant, but the creature from '5th elephant' who i think of as 'desk elephant', or, alternatively, 'lisp elephant'

02:14:04 mircea_popescu: could be, yeah

02:14:10 mircea_popescu: nobody saw trompi afaik

02:14:35 mircea_popescu: (the incantation literally is, "Trompi squeeze your balls and make it rain")

02:15:10 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it may be the filter, i dunno. kinda impossibru to debug from my side.

02:15:17 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VTsFtwO0u0

02:15:18 assbot: Choking on a Cherry - The Fifth Element (5/8) Movie CLIP (1997) HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8v9lf )

02:15:31 asciilifeform: ^ what the elephant is for

02:15:33 mircea_popescu: "This video is not available.

02:15:34 mircea_popescu: Sorry about that."

02:15:55 asciilifeform: wat

02:15:57 asciilifeform: plays here

02:16:15 mircea_popescu: mebbe i need a repricocity phee.

02:16:42 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aite, if it's not in your filter, it's not there. i guess we'll just have to blog platforms to the list of 'internet pillars to rebuild'

02:16:58 mircea_popescu: or just learn how to run basic scripts ? :D

02:17:10 pete_dushenski: mark my words, one day i will!

02:17:12 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

02:17:59 mircea_popescu: it's not like the entire cookbook isn't actually given there eh ? ready for copy paste.

02:18:16 mircea_popescu: how are you going to play eulora at this rate ? beg jews to binarize it for you ?

02:18:29 Vexual: that'll be $35

02:19:03 asciilifeform: 'Ubiquiti ?demonstrated reckless disregard for U.S. sanction? law, and allowed its wireless equipment to be exported into Iran through distributors located in the United Arab Emirates and Greece, according to a release from the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control. The firm had no compliance program at the time, according to the release. And even after Ubiquiti learned that the transactions broke U.S. law, the company all

02:19:03 asciilifeform: owed them to continue for another year, until February 2011, OFAC said. The company said, in a filing released Thursday, that until early 2010 it didn?t prohibit its distributors from selling its products to Iran. After it learned of the potential violations, the company said that it failed to immediately ?amend all its distribution agreements and to implement more robust compliance controls.?'

02:19:05 asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l

02:19:51 asciilifeform: 'It said in its prospectus that certain of its products were sold to Iran, Cuba, Syria, the Sudan and North Korea and that some of its encryption components were sold without the appropriate export authorization? A review of Ubiquiti's sales to Iran by the Department of Commerce's Office of Export Enforcement earlier this year resulted in a warning letter, but no criminal or administrative prosecution or other penalties -- b

02:19:51 asciilifeform: ut Ubiquiti remains under review by the Department .... '

02:20:15 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i dun really game, so...

02:21:02 asciilifeform: of course, now we have a helpful recipe for determining whether it's a don't-give-a-fuck-shop or a usg honeypot - sue, and see if state secrets privilege is invoked...

02:21:11 pete_dushenski: but yes, this boy has much to learn.

02:23:35 asciilifeform: and, '...anyone with physical access to the end of the Ethernet cable to your Ubiquiti airOS-based device... ...can obtain the plain text configuration while leaving behind no trace that they dumped your configuration ...'

02:24:17 asciilifeform: ;;later tell decimation ^ iirc you were using a naked 'edgerouter' somewhere. the time to stop was - july. the second best time - now

02:24:17 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:25:29 asciilifeform: (what it was - they left tftp on. in precisely the way we won't in 'pogotron')

02:26:02 asciilifeform: ^ unless we're all killed & replaced with impersonators, l0l

02:26:12 mircea_popescu: what was nubbins` situation wit hthat btw

02:26:14 asciilifeform: in which case it will certainly ask for tftp every time on boot.

02:26:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he hammered in the command every time into the serial console

02:26:51 mircea_popescu: no i mean, he was cleaning boot iirc ?

02:26:56 asciilifeform: still saves time and wear on the nand vs flashing it in every time

02:27:19 asciilifeform: in a production machine, 'uboot' should skip straight to loading from nand

02:27:25 asciilifeform: 'do not pass go, do not collect 200'

02:28:02 mircea_popescu: myeah

02:28:19 mircea_popescu: so yesterday, i get http://fraudsters.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/#comment-113450 im all like wtf.

02:28:20 assbot: O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1aErKnM )

02:28:30 mircea_popescu: today ... "For some reason or another, I can't see all of this content, it keeps disappearing? Are you taking advantage of java?"

02:28:36 mircea_popescu: finally spam text that looked credible.

02:29:11 asciilifeform: i get idiocy like this all the time.

02:30:11 mircea_popescu: i dun think i saw this set b4.

02:30:57 asciilifeform: they used to follow a similar pattern, e.g., 'this post is a very astute commentary on the subject, i should like to read another like it, please carry on the good work' etc.

02:33:42 mircea_popescu: those i saw

02:33:50 mircea_popescu: i mean the specific "error are you x" thing.

02:34:16 mircea_popescu: spam masquerading error reports nao, the world simply can't exist w/o wots.

02:34:31 asciilifeform: i am quite certain of having seen something quite like this before. and i knew that ~x

02:34:33 asciilifeform: and so ignored.

02:35:26 asciilifeform: 'From my conversations with Ubiquiti, I have found that they claimed that it's alright to refuse to provide source code to GPL-licensed software if "This decision was taken with the security of the users in mind". Furthermore, my conversations were endlessly delayed by the supposed necessity to forward my query to another, unnamed, team.' << now we can probably say what.

02:35:37 mircea_popescu: lol

02:35:44 asciilifeform: usg contractor supplying boobytrapped goodies to the untermenschen

02:35:48 mircea_popescu: "brb gotta ask nsa"

02:36:34 asciilifeform: ;;later tell decimation before you ceremonially burn that thing, or put openbsd on it, etc. consider posting the u-boot partition to #b-a warez (talk to kakobrekla?)

02:36:34 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:36:45 mircea_popescu: this strange idea that people would discuss things with script robots.

02:37:01 mircea_popescu: "if you conceivably have to forward my stuff to anyone, get off the line, i'm important."

02:37:20 asciilifeform: betcha the bots are happy to speak with one another.

02:37:26 asciilifeform: !s eliza parry

02:37:27 assbot: 4 results for 'eliza parry' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eliza+parry

02:37:43 asciilifeform: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/when-parry-met-eliza-a-ridiculous-chatbot-conversation-from-1972/372428 etc

02:37:44 assbot: When PARRY Met ELIZA: A Ridiculous Chatbot Conversation From 1972 — The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8yDEq )

02:37:47 mircea_popescu: certainly. most of gdp in the "service economy" is exactly akin to running a bunch of elizas at each other.

02:37:51 mircea_popescu: "they raised awareness"

02:38:50 asciilifeform: PARRY: You should pay more attention.

02:38:50 asciilifeform: ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention.

02:38:50 asciilifeform: PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion.

02:38:50 asciilifeform: ELIZA: What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion?

02:39:09 Vexual: http://www.torontosun.com/2015/04/06/botox-doctor-reportedly-devastated-by-martin-short-parody-found-dead

02:39:16 Vexual: best one wins

02:41:04 mircea_popescu: why not link http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc439 ?

02:41:05 assbot: RFC 439 - PARRY encounters the DOCTOR ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8z8yg )

02:41:17 mircea_popescu: theatlantic spamsite adds exactly nothing, hinders plenty.

02:41:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato, had no idea it lived there

02:41:40 asciilifeform: though i hesitate to let ietf be a canonical copy of anything at this point - even this...

02:41:46 decimation: asciilifeform: heh, I'm not sure if I'm running 'airos' on my edgerouter

02:42:13 asciilifeform: decimation: iirc they all use the same uboot, which was the item in question

02:42:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. but it is the historical repository.

02:42:57 asciilifeform: yes.

02:43:31 decimation: asciilifeform: ah so does it only tftp on boot?

02:43:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?)

02:43:58 asciilifeform: decimation: it is a very common setting in a uboot used for dev work

02:44:01 mircea_popescu: they haven't any.

02:44:08 Vexual: you know, when i saw it first, i thought it was meant to be glenn stevens

02:44:23 asciilifeform: decimation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html

02:44:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8zHrV )

02:44:27 asciilifeform: ^ example

02:44:30 mircea_popescu: you think there exists anyone competent working in argentina, for instance ?

02:44:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not necessarily. but perhaps ar doesn't -need- any ?

02:44:49 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.theamphour.com/243-an-interview-with-macrofab-macro-manufacturing-mechanization/ < interview with macrofab guys, with details of exactly what they use (Universal GSM2 pick n place)

02:44:50 assbot: #243 – An interview with Macrofab – Macro Manufacturing Mechanization | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8zMMq )

02:44:51 asciilifeform: because the only industry is meat processing ?

02:44:57 mircea_popescu: yeah, right. do you know what the fat feminist said to the other fat feminist ?

02:45:02 mircea_popescu: "good thing we don't need men"

02:45:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought the pattern was, 'don't need men, only their dough' ?

02:45:42 mircea_popescu: no, it's, "because if we did or if we didn't, we still don't get any"

02:45:54 Vexual: despite the botox, still very expressive

02:46:04 mircea_popescu: because, there's like eight of them, and none of them have time for our stupid shit.

02:46:18 mircea_popescu: such as you know, apostiles, or whatever. allah on a stick.

02:46:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact remains, they could get reversers. it's just another kind of craftsman, like heart surgeon. they would simply have to pay the fee

02:46:44 asciilifeform: with extra pay for jungle conditions

02:46:46 mircea_popescu: no, they could not.

02:47:00 mircea_popescu: just like ohio can't get dramatic artists.

02:47:20 mircea_popescu: just like tewkwhatever, mass can't get security experts.

02:48:18 pete_dushenski: http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/31908620 << this, is a new one for me

02:48:19 assbot: BA flight forced to land early because of smelly poo - BBC Newsbeat ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8Aj0I )

02:48:36 pete_dushenski: "it's too smelly to fly"

02:48:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it because most folks need fallback employment if a job falls through? sure - but if a craftsman is needed badly, he will go on tour to antarctica. so long as the costs are covered.

02:48:58 pete_dushenski: um, how about you suck it up and keep going

02:49:01 asciilifeform: and why does a reverse engineer need to travel anyway

02:49:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only if im inviting him.

02:49:10 mircea_popescu: not if the fucking polar bears are.

02:49:15 mircea_popescu: why would he care what polar bears say ?

02:49:50 asciilifeform: if polar bears had a bag of money ?

02:50:26 mircea_popescu: so what if they did.

02:50:31 mircea_popescu: hunter'd get it.

02:50:49 decimation: ^ why? because you don't want to ship your strange

02:51:12 ben_vulpes: chapter two in assquest:

02:51:23 ben_vulpes: "navigate the buildroot menuconfig"

02:51:32 asciilifeform: decimation: this, among other reasons, is why i live in a particular not altogether-pleasant place..

02:51:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, nobody's denying men will go to the end of the earths. they will. but only with fredericus.

02:52:21 decimation: asciilifeform: ugh, the ubquiti os has hardly any tools

02:52:28 asciilifeform: decimation: pull the usb drive

02:53:08 asciilifeform: decimation: it has the whole orchestra, minus a very small and possibly interesting micro-bootloader that loads uboot - iirc - on it

02:53:22 decimation: but then I would need a mips64 build host

02:53:26 decimation: I guess I can qemu

02:54:30 asciilifeform: or hm, uboot is in the nor flash...

02:54:30 *: asciilifeform gets out the serial cable, indignant

02:54:30 decimation: yeah, I'm not sure where to probe

02:54:30 asciilifeform: motherfuckers.

02:54:31 ben_vulpes: perhaps i am behind the times, but is there a buildroot config that's been passed around?

02:55:08 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000076.html

02:55:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1aEveH3 )

02:55:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ElPEkl )

02:55:17 ben_vulpes: ty, asciilifeform!

02:55:40 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nubbins` was able to replicate result.

02:55:48 asciilifeform: and i think someone else ( danielpbarron ? )

02:56:08 asciilifeform: decimation: you want a 'cisco cable'

02:56:29 asciilifeform: decimation: it goes into the rj45 jack on the left.

02:56:33 decimation: yeah I think I have one somewhere

02:56:54 asciilifeform: decimation: 115200 baud, 8N1

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03:01:01 decimation: ah it's just debian, can use apt-get

03:01:11 asciilifeform: wai why ?

03:01:18 decimation: to install warez

03:01:21 asciilifeform: no you don't

03:01:24 asciilifeform: just pull the usb

03:01:34 asciilifeform: back it up (or replace with another) and put new os on that.

03:02:03 asciilifeform: access uboot from the serial console, or, if replacing with another uboot, do so from the new os

03:02:06 decimation: interesting here's the partition layout

03:02:12 decimation: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System

03:02:14 decimation: /dev/sda1 2048 292863 145408 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)

03:02:14 asciilifeform: (how old one behaves with regards to replacing uboot, i cannot say)

03:02:15 decimation: /dev/sda2 292864 3710975 1709056 83 Linux

03:02:20 asciilifeform: sda1 contains the kernel

03:02:24 asciilifeform: sda2 is root fs

03:02:28 decimation: yeah

03:02:36 decimation: and it starts at 2048, so that's probably the bootloader?

03:02:40 asciilifeform: why they did this - cannot say. possibly the responsible man last used linux in 1997

03:02:53 asciilifeform: uboot on this box lives, apparently, in nor flash

03:02:56 asciilifeform: sorta like pogo

03:03:48 decimation: yeah, boot partition just has kernel

03:04:07 asciilifeform: thing has jtag pins, iirc

03:04:15 asciilifeform: so can be 'unbricked' if new uboot is botched

03:04:19 asciilifeform: without soldering

03:04:24 decimation: that's what I was wondering

03:05:08 asciilifeform: a standard jtag probe of whatever kind you're partial to (i like 'bus blaster') and a copy of openocd is all you need

03:06:12 asciilifeform: 'As evidence, consider that in version 5.5.4 of the AirMax firmware, the kernel was modified such that the MTD partitions would be read only, however this change cannot be found in the corresponding kernel patches or source.'

03:06:21 decimation: ^I have 'edgemax'

03:06:22 asciilifeform: ^ lulzies! they very much don't want you replacing that uboot.

03:06:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^

03:06:47 asciilifeform: one doesn't need an expert usgologist to say what happened here.

03:06:48 mircea_popescu: no i saw that.

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03:07:02 asciilifeform: what exquisite idiocy

03:07:24 asciilifeform: i bet reflash fails silently if done from edgeos

03:07:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo you have one somewhere iirc ? try this

03:08:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have/had plans to acquire one

03:08:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: worth your while for the epic public rape of the morons

03:08:55 asciilifeform: to the extent they were not already raped in the 'liberty bsd' piece and in this here thread

03:08:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why the patches have to stay unpublished.

03:10:12 decimation: asciilifeform: they have weird stuff mounted for storing configs:

03:10:22 decimation: none on /opt/vyatta/config type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,nr_inodes=300000,mode=775)

03:11:08 asciilifeform: i think i can see why ubiquiti was picked for this particular role in the usg shitgnome muppet theatre

03:11:26 mircea_popescu: It was the first, and being first, was best, but now we lay it down to ever rest. Now pause with me a moment, shed some tears.

03:11:27 mircea_popescu: For auld lang syne, for love, for years and years of faithful service, duty done, I weep. Lay down thy packet, now, O friend, and sleep.

03:11:29 decimation: they seem kinda derpy software-wise

03:11:32 mircea_popescu: ^ i had no idea cerf was also a poet.

03:11:35 mircea_popescu: shit's pretty good.

03:12:08 asciilifeform: it sold routers that gave very reasonable performance for 1/20th the cost of cisco et al

03:12:29 asciilifeform: these became popular, presumably, with 'orcs' on a budget

03:13:35 asciilifeform: also note how there is none of this (or the other let's-sell-boobietrapped-goods-to-persians) 'shartups') in the snowden releases.

03:14:00 decimation: http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/ERLITE-3_U-Boot

03:14:03 assbot: ERLITE-3 U-Boot - Crashcourse Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8EMR5 )

03:14:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not a bad point.

03:14:49 asciilifeform: 'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads the kernel from the USB drive and boots it

03:14:49 asciilifeform: .'

03:14:52 asciilifeform: ahahahahahahaha.

03:15:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it -is- possible that he had some but none made it past the greenwalds

03:15:57 mircea_popescu: it is possible he never had any through no fault of his own.

03:15:59 asciilifeform: and the schneiers

03:16:04 asciilifeform: that - also possible

03:16:08 decimation: ^ascii, one wonders if you can replace the 'failsafe'

03:16:09 mircea_popescu: like if i behead you i might not get any pancreas tissue on the blade.

03:16:19 asciilifeform: aha exactly like

03:16:35 asciilifeform: would have to behead lengthwise

03:16:45 mircea_popescu: not necessarily proof that you weren't beheaded.

03:16:49 asciilifeform: correct.

03:17:00 asciilifeform: decimation: if it's in the nor, can be replaced, only question is how

03:21:16 decimation: asciilifeform: ah! /dev/mtdblock0

03:21:25 decimation: admin@ubnt:/dev$ cat /dev/mtdblock0 | hexdump -C | head

03:21:26 decimation: 00000000 10 00 01 3f 00 00 00 00 42 4f 4f 54 bf 6a 14 53 |...?....BOOT.j.S|

03:21:28 decimation: 00000010 00 c0 00 01 00 02 4e 22 00 06 70 20 67 0c 5e e5 |......N"..p g.^.|

03:21:29 decimation: 00000020 ff ff ff ff c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00 00 |................|

03:21:30 mircea_popescu: ha

03:21:31 decimation: 00000030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|

03:21:32 decimation: *

03:21:34 decimation: 00000200 10 00 02 08 24 1a 02 00 10 00 02 04 00 00 00 00 |....$...........|

03:21:35 decimation: 00000210 10 00 02 02 00 00 00 00 10 00 02 00 00 00 00 00 |................|

03:21:37 decimation: 00000220 10 00 01 fe 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 fc 00 00 00 00 |................|

03:21:38 decimation: 00000230 10 00 01 fa 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f8 00 00 00 00 |................|

03:21:40 decimation: 00000240 10 00 01 f6 00 00 00 00 10 00 01 f4 00 00 00 00 |................|

03:21:44 mircea_popescu: he didn't paste the whole thing did he

03:21:49 decimation: heh no

03:23:10 decimation: asciilifeform: would you be interested in a dump of that?

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03:42:02 *: asciilifeform went & got some of the spiders out of his mircea_popescu's-conference-travel-trunk. now back

03:42:27 asciilifeform: decimation: yes.

03:42:38 decimation: there are apparently 3 'images'

03:42:41 decimation: mtd0,1,2

03:42:54 asciilifeform: drop it somewhere it won't be tampered with, & sign it (ok if you wanna gpg it to wot folks instead of publicly)

03:43:38 asciilifeform: though i can't fathom they'd have the gall to try censoring uboot as 'warez'

03:43:57 asciilifeform: it being gpl and all

03:44:00 decimation: it appears mtd0,1 are identical

03:44:06 asciilifeform: decimation: then this'd be it

03:44:18 decimation: I think you can download the 'open source' turds from ubquiti

03:44:26 asciilifeform: decimation: see earlier link re: this

03:44:41 decimation: mtd2 appears to be a configuation area, it starts with a hex string that equals my h/w serial number

03:44:47 asciilifeform: decimation: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090249

03:44:47 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 01:27:30; BingoBoingo: http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ << Incredilol

03:44:49 mircea_popescu: decimation so they have TWO hidden ones ?

03:44:54 mircea_popescu: that do what, test for identity ?

03:45:06 asciilifeform: decimation: probably licensing turd for their proprietary kmod

03:45:11 asciilifeform: that and for boobytrap

03:46:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090538

03:46:02 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 03:14:49; asciilifeform: 'There are actually two copies of the bootloader in the NOR flash: the first one is failsafe, and doing bootloaderupdate will replace the second image. Basically after the CPU comes out of reset, it boots the failsafe bootloader image (the first one) in the NOR flash. The failsafe finds and boots the actual bootloader image (the second one) in the NOR flash. This bootloader then loads the kernel from

03:46:20 mircea_popescu: i thought for a moment they had three copies.

03:47:29 asciilifeform: won't someone buy one of these things and hook up to jtag bugger driven with gdb, and post instruction stream ?

03:47:36 asciilifeform: i have one, yes. but not the time.

03:48:24 asciilifeform: i still don't get this:

03:48:38 asciilifeform: could the idiots not be bothered to ship -separate- turds to ir ?

03:48:56 asciilifeform: why did it have to be so obvious.

03:49:01 asciilifeform: is it a plot to waste -our- time ?

03:49:20 decimation: asciilifeform: do you think that jtag will show something that these mtd turds don't

03:50:00 asciilifeform: decimation: i bet there is obfuscation. so dynamic analysis might be appropriate

03:50:21 asciilifeform: but ideally, both.

03:50:37 decimation: possibly. it would probably require considerably detailed examination to watch the thing boot

03:51:03 mircea_popescu: i really dunno why we'd give a shit.

03:51:05 asciilifeform: first, look to see if copy-1 does anything -other- and load & jump to copy-2.

03:51:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because this could be just the necessary lethal stab to the 'nuclear iran' shillfest.

03:51:59 mircea_popescu: ...

03:52:04 mircea_popescu: aren't you a little late ?

03:52:11 mircea_popescu: iran is a nuclear power now. obama said so himself.

03:52:11 decimation: ^ to be clear, I have edgerouter, not 'airmax'

03:52:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: su was also nuclear power, didn't keep the buggers from shipping diddled tech there by the gigatonne

03:52:31 decimation: no he said that they would have to wait awhile and fill out usg forms

03:53:24 mircea_popescu: decimation from what i've seen, the deal with iran is exactly like the deal with cuba and every other deal conquered US has entered into :

03:53:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the racket in question here is where usg plays hand-muppets and runs faux 'we're l337, we sell to 1r4n' at the same time as 'proletariat united against ir nukes' on the other muppet hand

03:53:35 mircea_popescu: they agree to everything the op demands, and pay for the paper memorializing it.

03:54:22 decimation: yeah but usg ensures that they have a press op where they say the opposite

03:55:08 asciilifeform: nothing punctures shitgnomes like a public, non-plausiblydeniable still-smoking 'nsakey' unhinted at in any 'leak'

03:55:48 mircea_popescu: i guess.

03:57:01 asciilifeform: incidentally, usg doctrine is that 'fresh' nuke powers don't really 'count' - much as usa did not count in 1947 because, elementarily, not enough of the specific industrial base to secure a steady supply of nukes

03:57:19 asciilifeform: they believe that it can be 'undone' as SAR was

03:58:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00029246 = 9.695 BTC [+] {2}

03:58:57 asciilifeform: in other news: cryptome is hosting a malicious pdf... http://cryptome.org/2015/04/nsa-ptpof.pdf

03:59:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGez1p )

04:01:29 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

04:01:50 asciilifeform: i do not know the payload yet.

04:01:55 asciilifeform: but srsly wtf

04:02:05 asciilifeform: and why did it have to be so obvious.

04:02:39 mircea_popescu: in yet another shade of lulz : berkshire does not offer its many directors dso. because buffett believes you know, officers should face the music like any other shareholder. except it does offer it to buffett. because...

04:03:14 asciilifeform: dso?

04:03:57 mircea_popescu: insurance for being on a public corp board.

04:04:36 mircea_popescu: d&0 not dso.

04:06:01 asciilifeform: what does it insure against ?

04:06:27 mircea_popescu: any liability that may attach to one from his being a director or officer.

04:06:43 asciilifeform: iirc it is not permissible in usa to insure against criminal prosecution

04:06:47 asciilifeform: at least, not directly

04:07:01 *: asciilifeform ianal

04:07:36 mircea_popescu: this'd be for civil not for criminal matter.

04:07:41 asciilifeform: aha.

04:07:47 decimation: asciilifeform: http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX/Lost-password/td-p/490573 > "Creating 3 MTD partitions on "phys_mapped_flash": 0x000000000000-0x000000080000 : "boot0" 0x000000080000-0x000000100000 : "boot1" 0x000000300000-0x000000310000 : "eeprom""

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04:08:46 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://proudtobeafilthyslut.tumblr.com/post/107315640663/dirtiestdepravedfilth-happy-new-year

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04:08:58 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform how can you tell that cryptome pdf is laced ?

04:09:30 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: buggy

04:09:44 pete_dushenski: hmm

04:09:51 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in that it demands to be viewed on genuine winblows crapobat

04:09:56 asciilifeform: explicitlu.

04:10:09 pete_dushenski: that's pretty fucked

04:10:26 asciilifeform: decimation: eeprom !?!

04:10:37 Vexual: here, jewintro, rub the front and the back of your hands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVP_w1rQweE

04:10:57 asciilifeform: incidentally....

04:11:01 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu so i finally mod'd your fix_trackbacks.php, uploaded it, and... it doesn't even show up. now i'm supposed to call customer support or some shit

04:11:03 asciilifeform: http://hilo90mhz.com/ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite-erlite-3-internal-usb-storage-fail << phison !!!

04:11:05 assbot: Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ERLite-3 – Internal USB Storage Failure | hilo90mhz ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGhG9q )

04:11:25 asciilifeform: don't throw it out!

04:11:27 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lulwat.

04:11:34 asciilifeform: phisons are rare, precious

04:11:40 asciilifeform: (or soon to be.)

04:11:57 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it does appear to contain something specific to their hardware

04:12:07 decimation: in the airOs mtd2 is labeled 'kernel'

04:12:18 decimation: but as we already established, the kernel is in the usb key

04:12:19 Vexual: here i remember when that kid rode in on a tricycle

04:12:29 joecool: phison, now that's a name i haven't heard in awhile

04:12:37 asciilifeform: !s phison

04:12:38 assbot: 3 results for 'phison' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phison

04:12:42 asciilifeform: srsly?

04:12:57 joecool: my ancient eeepc 901 had phison ssd's in it, first ssd's i ever had

04:13:51 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu http://contravex.com/fix_trackbacks.php << my understanding is that this should yield errors if it doesn't work, but it's blank as a freshly painted wall.

04:13:57 asciilifeform: joecool: phison is a maker of cheap usb keychain drives that contain general-purpose micros. an ad hoc sdk was published recently. i had something quite like it, unpublished, in 2012; and hell knows how many other folks also did

04:14:33 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski didja set up your db pw etc in there ?

04:14:48 asciilifeform: you can convert the thing into a disk that perverts blocks in a particular way, or emulates a keyboard and types in obscenities, etc, etc.

04:15:20 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i did indeed, though you're right that i should fiddle with those values because there's a reasonable chance i got them wrong!

04:17:41 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu btw should "table_prefix" be set to "wp_comments" or similar ?

04:17:53 mircea_popescu: mmm

04:18:26 mircea_popescu: i think the structure's copied after wp-config or /we the file is called where wp keeps its password in plaintext.

04:18:32 mircea_popescu: so w/e you got there.

04:19:28 decimation: of interest in the 'macrofab' podcast: apparently they load the pick n' place with house parts only, and all the other 'unique' chips for each design are hand-placed

04:19:52 decimation: they do all the assembly in houston, but currently contract pcb out

04:20:14 decimation: but they are looking into in-house pcb for 24-hour turnaround assembly!

04:20:28 asciilifeform: decimation: their 'hand-placed' probably involves a mechanically-cranked apparatus. or someone with much better hands than i

04:20:46 decimation: I suspect they pay good rates for competent techs

04:21:03 decimation: they are 'angel funded' but I think he said they can turn a profit at current prices

04:21:23 asciilifeform: who, one might wonder, do they use? chinese gurlz flown in for the occasion ?

04:21:26 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ok, i'll keep crackin'

04:21:53 asciilifeform: or simply the fact of the p&p machine being loaded by hand from clips instead of magazine ?

04:21:54 decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect retired old women who worked in electronics assembly

04:22:09 asciilifeform: at any rate, this is not 'woodcollector' and i don't much give a hoot -how- the parts get on the board

04:22:14 asciilifeform: so long as they - do..

04:22:14 decimation: he said they use trays with mixed chips

04:22:42 asciilifeform: decimation: trays are typically for items above soic16 or so in size

04:22:50 asciilifeform: at all small houses

04:22:57 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu and thx for the tech support :)

04:23:07 decimation: they found all of their machines used at auction

04:23:11 asciilifeform: i have trouble believing they put 0805 resistors on by hand, ever

04:23:24 asciilifeform: because, elementarily, there is no reason to, if you have the machine.

04:23:24 decimation: no, he said those would go on p&p

04:23:36 decimation: they go down to 0402 on the p&p

04:23:37 asciilifeform: decimation: but if not 'house part' ?

04:23:50 decimation: well, if in large quantity, in p&p, otherwise by hand

04:23:50 asciilifeform: virtually none of my items were 'house'

04:24:01 decimation: I suspect mostly hand placed

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04:24:35 asciilifeform: if so - someone has excellent hands and ought to be earning a living horseshoeing fleas for a flea circus or the like.

04:24:45 decimation: heh there are such folks

04:24:55 decimation: apparently houston has 30 assembly houses

04:25:03 decimation: so there's probably a quantity of skilled labor

04:26:08 asciilifeform: surgeons once did (still do?) have the habit of tying knots in fishing line inside a matchbox, every day

04:26:28 asciilifeform: (very short piece of line)

04:26:49 asciilifeform: decimation: most 'assembly houses' do nothing remotely like placing any quantity whatsoever of 0402 by hand

04:26:52 asciilifeform: for any amount of money

04:27:19 decimation: asciilifeform: they probably use something like http://www.ddmnovastar.com/pick-and-place/manual-systems/mpp-21-pick-and-place-system

04:27:20 assbot: Manual Pick and Place Machine, Low Cost SMT System, Model MPP-21 DDM Novastar ... ( http://bit.ly/1GGlw2k )

04:27:39 *: asciilifeform almost bought this item once

04:27:54 asciilifeform: i'll let herr woodcollector decide if this counts as 'by hand'.

04:28:13 decimation: heh

04:28:27 decimation: well, with that I must retire, good evening

04:28:30 decimation: !down decimation

04:28:53 Vexual: poor fuck is prolly suicide oney on aussie dollar

04:29:29 *: Vexual says no rate cut

04:29:54 Vexual: its monyly oney

04:30:02 asciilifeform: wut

04:30:35 Vexual: well the rba is going to say in less than aminute whether or not they change the interest rate

04:31:04 Vexual: it will have an effect on foreign exchange markets

04:31:19 Vexual: and.. the market was wrong

04:32:29 ben_vulpes: !up Vexual

04:35:40 mircea_popescu: <decimation> heh there are such folks << yeah, ever since surgery moved to computers.

04:35:43 Vexual: who gives a shit about the aussie dollar now anyway

04:35:45 mircea_popescu: most of them unemployed

04:46:45 Vexual: why can't i trade sundried tomatoe futures? its supposed to be the fooking future

04:47:55 Vexual: !s hotsauce

04:47:56 assbot: 3 results for 'hotsauce' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hotsauce

04:48:13 Vexual: cute

04:52:02 Vexual: there an article in the afr about fast algos on treasury bonds, and its wanting

04:53:36 Vexual: let me find the name

04:53:52 Vexual: prolly "staff writer"

04:54:33 Vexual: nope i think someone stole the tech pages

04:55:39 Vexual: here it is,; shapiro

04:56:07 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEjw-OkMv3w

04:59:04 Vexual: and page 16 is trolli

04:59:48 Vexual: choke on your cherry kid, you dont get it

05:00:38 Vexual: tell the editor you want the article on one page, otherwise it editorial

05:06:36 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

05:09:23 BingoBoingo: !up liquidassets

05:12:03 Vexual: like how do these unnamed organisations do what theyre doing

05:13:31 Vexual: !up marteen

05:13:39 Vexual: indeed

05:13:50 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c7d8BYJy8I

05:22:20 Vexual: yo ben10, i can notarize your nameing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298nld4Yfds

05:24:42 Vexual: might not float tho

05:35:50 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDJu7r6OUvk

05:58:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00028732 = 4.4247 BTC [-] {2}

07:22:27 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090248 <<< this thing https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1386/37/1386372286519.gif

07:22:27 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 01:27:08; asciilifeform: doesn't ring a bell

07:22:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeKYem )

07:24:52 cazalla: !up Vexual

07:25:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00028521 = 4.9912 BTC [-] {2}

07:25:07 Vexual: loooks like allen ginsberg

07:25:24 cazalla: Vexual, it's from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ihcfJdAMs

07:25:24 assbot: Know your meme , Le happy merchant (the origin) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKHIqX )

07:25:28 cazalla: a /pol/ fav

07:27:49 Vexual: i emplore you to learn your memes

07:27:58 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67u2fmYz7S4

07:28:47 Vexual: this shitsgot ben10, where we know its useful

07:30:36 Vexual: obvo some punkman versio'

07:32:11 Vexual: her we might describe that best curly haircut

07:32:26 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g

07:33:38 Vexual: very lisp

07:34:30 cazalla: Vexual, i swear i better understood you when i was drinking more

07:34:50 Vexual: yes, im approaching rehabness

07:37:04 Vexual: i understood you wehn you were drinking moar tooz

07:37:36 Vexual: such is lief

07:37:54 cazalla: have not been able to do so the past few weeks

07:38:15 Vexual: this is good

07:40:33 Vexual: oh,myou know this one?

07:41:51 cazalla: which?

07:42:02 cazalla: your jukebox? can't play atm

07:42:22 cazalla: wouldn't want the missus to actually think i'm enjoying myself while she feeds bubs

07:42:34 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IdtqFf95g boy or gal?

07:43:13 cazalla: much the same until puberty eh?

07:43:33 Vexual: es no importante

07:43:58 Vexual: kids need the mp4 script eh?

07:44:19 Vexual: ie not kids, but kids

07:44:42 cazalla: the fuck is an mp4 script

07:44:54 cazalla: you're too drunk.. or not drunk enough

07:44:58 Vexual: liek when yr 6 mo ya dont need jewtube

07:45:04 Vexual: whaaa?

07:45:50 Vexual: hear al lotta no fLASH, OR I PREFER THIS PARTICULAR SONG,,

07:46:13 Vexual: romainians say htgis song or that

07:47:48 Vexual: cunts preferent a bus

07:48:04 Vexual: or a plane. if they check da specs

07:48:45 Vexual: ben10 dissed me once, hoped i dont have kids

07:49:17 Vexual: only tiem my feeling ever got hurt, its ok tho, hes my cousin

07:51:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00028991 = 5.8562 BTC [+] {2}

07:52:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6FhS8jMHE

08:22:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00029069 = 2.1802 BTC [+]

08:30:17 Adlai: BingoBoingo: sup

08:30:36 BingoBoingo: Adlai: Not too much, just playing ;;seen who

08:31:23 Adlai: ;;seen gabriel_laddel

08:31:24 gribble: gabriel_laddel was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <gabriel_laddel> <mircea_popescu> gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason. << the lady doth protest too much, methinks

08:31:39 *: Adlai still waiting on matasune dox

08:31:45 Adlai: er, masamune

08:47:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1090780 << actually, that's how people compile code these days. jam and autom4te.

08:47:40 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 07:44:42; cazalla: the fuck is an mp4 script

08:51:48 BingoBoingo: !t m x.eur

08:51:48 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0043896 / 0.00439045 / 0.00439218 (66 shares, 0.29 BTC), 7D: 0.00438911 / 0.00439255 / 0.00439781 (1056 shares, 4.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00204279 / 0.00417471 / 0.00451772 (3405 shares, 14.21 BTC)

08:55:48 kakobrekla: i guess it will be relevant for some;

08:55:50 kakobrekla: http://reventlov.com/advisories/using-the-docker-command-to-root-the-host

08:55:52 assbot: Using the docker command to root the host (totally not a security issue) // reventlov's silly hacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV0Dz )

08:56:01 kakobrekla: rehashed again https://reclaim-your-privacy.com/wiki/Anonabox_Analysis

08:56:03 assbot: Anonabox Analysis - Reclaim Your Privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV1rl )

08:56:09 kakobrekla: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/04/8565469/students-fret-over-venmo-payments-alleged-drug-dealer

08:56:10 assbot: Students fret over Venmo payments to alleged drug dealer | Capital New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKUZQ8 )

08:56:17 kakobrekla: https://ninjadoge24.github.io/#002-how-i-cracked-nq-vaults-encryption

08:56:18 assbot: ninjadoge24's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV2vi )

08:56:22 mircea_popescu: o.O

08:56:29 kakobrekla: also lulzy https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-15-090-03

08:56:31 assbot: Hospira MedNet Vulnerabilities | ICS-CERT ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV3Q3 )

08:56:43 mircea_popescu: !up ug_

08:56:57 kakobrekla: > Shellshock was almost discovered a decade ago... http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but then it wasn't.

08:56:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKV5qR )

08:57:33 mircea_popescu: "A representative for Venmo would not respond specifically to the question whether they were helping police with their investigation into Getzler"

08:57:35 kakobrekla: lol check it out > anonabox bad news: can get a root shell via local ipv6 with hardcoded root password "admin"

08:57:36 mircea_popescu: aint that weird.

08:59:30 mircea_popescu: dude the way the world spins. the dons of the 50s didn't approve of drugs, at all. then in the late 60s it was like, "whatever, sell them to blacks, they don't have a soul anwyay". then in the 80s it was "whatever, sell them but don't let anyone know". by now it's like... "sell drugs and write opinions for the spectator and send the customer list spam emails to upvote you"

08:59:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wait im still digesting your dump lol.

09:00:56 mircea_popescu: meanwhile "criminal possession in the seventh degree", they are going to run out of degrees. best talk to imperial china for some more degrees.

09:02:40 mircea_popescu: and columbia's not even a party school.

09:04:15 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes check it out yo, docker's no good >:D

09:04:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00027581 = 14.0387 BTC [-] {4}

09:11:04 mircea_popescu: !up vorandrew

09:14:38 vorandrew: Put some options quotes

09:14:46 vorandrew: BTC/USD

09:14:50 mircea_popescu: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/hh/hh-8.html#ss8.8 but << this is actually a pretty great read.

09:14:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HKYlmn )

09:20:44 mircea_popescu: "If the siteA string is empty, it is taken to be the local machine. A target like @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@victim would cause high load by recursive finger invocations, and could be used to contribute to a DOS attack. Michael H. Warfield reports that in a SUN NIS environment it is easy to kill a network using finger."

09:20:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.0002717 = 9.4823 BTC [-]

09:20:59 mircea_popescu: heh.

09:38:46 mircea_popescu: "So yeah, the Anonabox appears to be working but it is downright shocking that the WiFi connection is running unencrypted. Anybody within range of the Anonabox can connect to the network and sniff all network traffic."

09:38:54 mircea_popescu: it's fucking weird it uses wifi i nthe first place o.O

09:39:03 mircea_popescu: wouldn't you want your tor router quietly on a cable ?

09:47:44 mircea_popescu: that Lars B?gild Thomsen dude... nice work on the anonybox piece of crud. however... he's embedding facebook, running a wiki and a phpbb forum he wants you to comment on, there's no way to leave a comment on his article (wp blog) without "being logged in" and in general what the shit already.

09:51:12 mircea_popescu: "BACKGROUND Hospira is a US-based company that maintains offices in several countries around the world." ... srsly ? us-cert.gov is a pr service now ? "please god anything, some text in here to dilute this shit o lord"

09:51:44 chetty: that must be logged in or use whatever social media thing is getting very annoying for sure

09:52:39 mircea_popescu: and for the record, github has given up on being on the web. http://dpaste.com/0ZQN8Q7

09:52:40 assbot: dpaste: 0ZQN8Q7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GHbYnZ )

09:53:53 mircea_popescu: who the fuck thought this is a good idea ?

09:54:19 mircea_popescu: let's make glibc no longer compile statically and github not work. that'll make the foss so much better.

09:55:33 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/6fb23babc4e23a4f710c4112e52af62e/tumblr_nhkmfmRhb41tonrdjo1_400.gif

09:55:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yRsStz )

10:02:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.0002717 = 3.2604 BTC [-]

10:33:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.01000107 = 1.0001 BTC [-] {3}

10:41:36 mircea_popescu: in today's lol at people who are not lawyers but think they are : quora has a tos and a special-for-usg tos. the tos says it's the only agreement between user and quora. the special-for-usg tos says "language in the Quora ToS and Quora Privacy Policy indicating it alone is the entire agreement between the Parties is waived"

10:41:41 mircea_popescu: sadly... this isn't how this works.

10:42:27 mircea_popescu: but in any case, the comparison between the two is kind-of funny, for the very bored student of decaying empires, and of the cruft their decay pushes into the margins.

10:43:42 *: punkman fondly remembers the "by entering this website you promise you aren't a USG agent"

10:44:13 mircea_popescu: that was a thing ?

10:44:25 mircea_popescu: "Quora hereby agrees not to serve or display any third party commercial advertisements or solicitations on the profile page of any user who uses the Quora Services on the Agency's behalf as identified by associating a .gov or .mil email address with the Quora account"

10:44:25 punkman: oh yeah, super common in the olden days

10:44:27 mircea_popescu: etc. lol.

10:44:48 mircea_popescu: punkman was this on script kiddie venues ?

10:45:38 punkman: various things like that, yes

10:48:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9496 @ 0.0002729 = 2.5915 BTC [+]

11:03:20 punkman: http://recode.net/2015/04/06/u-s-announces-first-antitrust-e-commerce-prosecution/

11:03:22 assbot: Man Prosecuted for Price Fixing on Amazon Marketplace | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1Chf4cc )

11:17:33 mircea_popescu: ahaha what

11:18:18 mircea_popescu: "saying a man has agreed to plead guilty to conspiring to illegally fix the prices of posters he sold online."

11:18:24 mircea_popescu: posters.

11:19:19 punkman: there's a ton of companies selling price fixing software, they call it "repricing"

11:19:27 mircea_popescu: meanwhile you can't get a competing quote on your fucking health insurance.

11:19:29 punkman: maybe the guy didn't pay enough taxes?

11:20:06 mircea_popescu: but hey, protecting "the american consumer" from price fixing in commodified markets by actors who are in no way in control of the production flux is worth the federal dime now.

11:47:26 funkenstein_: good morning

11:47:38 funkenstein_: takes me all day to (barely) catch up on logs here

11:47:48 funkenstein_: i hope i get quicker

11:47:59 funkenstein_: !up dub

11:48:23 mircea_popescu: you're not teh only one.

11:48:39 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/John_Brennan_CIA_official_portrait.jpg << why's this guy have such a thug mug, and wtf happened to his eyes ?

11:48:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3vpMs )

11:50:50 mats: https://github.com/emsec/ChameleonMini/

11:50:51 assbot: emsec/ChameleonMini · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1afLHAs )

11:51:17 funkenstein_: am i correct in summing up turd polishing discussions, that once DNS is fully removed static linking will be back on the table?

11:51:25 mats: contactless smartcard emulator.

11:52:16 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ static linking of what ? as far as bitcoind specifically goes, iirc nubbins` reported he managed one.

11:56:39 funkenstein_: yes bitcoind. I'm glad to hear that, i was worried by some of the discussion revealing more issues in gcc / linux.

11:57:17 funkenstein_: "version" : 50301,

11:57:17 funkenstein_: "balance" : 0.00000000,

11:57:17 funkenstein_: "blocks" : 339415,

11:57:54 funkenstein_: lunchtime, back soon

11:59:17 mircea_popescu: lulziest shit of all time : "Drone strikes are associated with decreases in both the frequency and the lethality of militant attacks overall and in IED and suicide attacks specifically." ~RAND Corporation.

11:59:40 mircea_popescu: orly ? this is like romanian electoral polling data. strictly contradictory to plain evidence, but hey, "it's an institution!111"

11:59:55 mircea_popescu: yeah. an institution you made for the purpose of putting out false "studies".

12:01:02 mircea_popescu: meanwhile everyone in pakistan thinks the us the enemy, and their interior minister thinks ~2k out of ~2k strikes actually missed their mark and killed random people instead.

12:15:15 chetty: that publishing of 'studies' and 'polls' may be one of the greatest ills of our times

12:17:17 funkenstein_: A is associated with decreases in the frequency of A

12:18:10 funkenstein_: more is less

12:52:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00027119 = 5.017 BTC [-]

13:03:45 funkenstein_: https://nacla.org/news/2015/04/06/where-argentine-debt-case-stands-now-and-why-it-still-matters

13:03:47 assbot: Where the Argentine Debt Case Stands Now, and Why it Still Matters | NACLA ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jk7Fi0 )

13:13:59 nubbins`: hi

13:14:02 nubbins`: i did indeed report one

13:14:22 nubbins`: can post the turd if anyone's curious, but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd

13:14:54 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> posters. <<< oh fuck

13:17:35 nubbins`: mircea_popescu:what was nubbins` situation wit hthat btw <<< my current boot order is mmc->usb->tftp->nand

13:18:01 nubbins`: altho fwiw i suspect tftp-boot just hangs if there's no kernel present on the wire

13:19:43 nubbins`: ben_vulpes:perhaps i am behind the times, but is there a buildroot config that's been passed around? <<< it's a bit of a frankenstein... i run make pogoplug_defconfig and then i run make nconfig to set a handful of extra flags

13:19:57 nubbins`: haven't had the time to actually diff a .config before and after and turn it into a patch

13:20:31 nubbins`: but in nconfig, you'll need to enable at least: large file (>2gb) support, ipv6 support, rpc support, wchar support, c++ support, stack protection

13:21:24 nubbins`: some of those maybe can be ditched once bitcoind gets trimmed down... but these are all just toolchain options, so if you can bear the extra compile time, it's not like it'll make your kernel any fatter

13:24:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i took it you were working on teh instructions

13:24:44 nubbins`: duod they're right there ^ !

13:25:22 mircea_popescu: "but without instructions on how to replciate, it's just that -- a turd"

13:25:23 mircea_popescu: where ?

13:25:34 nubbins`: oh THOSE instructions, yeah

13:25:40 nubbins`: still can't replicate the build

13:25:48 nubbins`: :(

13:25:57 mircea_popescu: lol. k.

13:26:15 nubbins`: i know *what* to do -- rip out unused parts of boost with bcp -- but i keep cracking eggshells in the batter

13:26:32 mircea_popescu: on the "compile time" front, i'm happy to announce eulora got tested on ancient athlon i + 768 mb ram and ancient nvidia 5k series vid card. it compiles in like an hour, and runs.

13:26:37 mircea_popescu: 0.5 fps, but nevertheless...

13:26:43 nubbins`: i saved my entire bitcoind dir from the successful build, so i know precisely which boost headers and libs are needed

13:27:06 nubbins`: just can't figure out the BCP options to auto-strip the crud

13:27:19 nubbins`: may have to just to a manifest and then modify pinkposixw/e's script

13:27:35 nubbins`: mircea_popescu woo!

13:28:22 mircea_popescu: still testing to see what'll be minimum rec spec, but anyway.

13:28:32 mircea_popescu: doesn't look like it'll be an issue

13:30:19 nubbins`: exciting

13:30:40 nubbins`: when's the conference anyway

13:30:43 nubbins`: wait, isn't there a thing?

13:30:45 nubbins`: %conference

13:30:46 nubbins`: or something

13:30:53 mircea_popescu: 16-18

13:32:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0002729 = 3.0292 BTC [+]

13:32:27 nubbins`: o fun, i'll be in cleve-land thne

13:32:29 nubbins`: *then

13:32:56 mircea_popescu: cleveland ?!

13:35:00 nubbins`: yah

13:35:01 nubbins`: imagine

13:35:59 nubbins`: lil nubs in the medium city!

13:37:03 nubbins`: i'll be seeing this guy

13:37:04 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uFEOBJBiWg

13:37:05 assbot: Sufjan Stevens - Casimir Pulaski Day & Jacksonville @ ACL - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3SZbN )

13:37:25 nubbins`: and these guys

13:37:26 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpHoAnaPK0

13:37:26 assbot: Lightning Bolt " Dracula Mountain " - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T2o6 )

13:37:48 nubbins`: and these!

13:37:48 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcRJ8XM9-n4

13:37:49 assbot: Metz "Wet Blanket" (live) -- Polaris Music Prize 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3T4MK )

13:38:15 nubbins`: the juxtaposition isn't quite clear w/o viewing the videos, unfortunately

13:39:25 mircea_popescu: oh i c

13:39:59 mircea_popescu: hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown

13:40:02 mircea_popescu: this isn't a good isng is it

13:41:53 nubbins`: almost certainly no

13:48:32 nubbins`: wow, one of woodcollector's shills turned on him, and now wc's socks are accusing the shill of being wc

13:48:37 nubbins`: this is some daytime-drama shit

13:48:46 mircea_popescu: yeah it's dead.

13:48:50 mircea_popescu: a well. was a great mobo

13:50:41 mats: http://oilpro.com/announcement/713/opec-faces-750bn-losses-market-share-strategy

13:50:42 assbot: OPEC Faces $750bn Losses From Market Share Strategy - Oilpro ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3VCKO )

13:51:11 nubbins`: well, there goes $20/barrel...

13:52:23 mircea_popescu: lol

13:52:29 mircea_popescu: bs, marginal doggies barking.

13:52:42 mircea_popescu: what the fuck do the dollar values even mean ? the dollar's worth in 2020 is drastically indeterminate

13:52:53 mircea_popescu: and that applies to pricing goods. oil above the dollar in the pricing hierarchy.

13:54:36 nubbins`: this is true

13:54:36 mats: http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/110320151

13:54:38 assbot: Baghdad not sincere about KRG budget ... ( http://bit.ly/1c3WAqu )

13:55:13 nubbins`: mats, drop bombs on x for a decade and a half and see how sincere the Xers are about anything

13:55:13 mats: "When the last KRG delegation visited Baghdad, it was told that the [Iraqi] government literally has run out of money."

13:55:19 mats: kek'd

13:55:43 nubbins`: LITCHRALLY

13:55:49 mircea_popescu: lol

13:55:51 nubbins`: run out of money

13:55:54 nubbins`: as if this is a problem

13:56:13 mats: "A month before Maliki left office, there were $18 billion in the Development Fund for Iraq at the New York Federal Reserve Bank, plus the KRG’s share of 2014’s budget. When Abadi was sworn into office, there was only $1 billion left."

13:56:39 mircea_popescu: "Other governments, urged by the IEA and IMF, will reduce or eliminate subsidies to end users of petroleum products. Such modifications to end-user price regimes are most easily implemented when consumers perceive prices to be relatively low. Robert Mabro correctly anticipated such developments following the 1986 oil price collapse. OPEC members will end up with an even smaller percentage of the end-user value of their

13:56:39 mircea_popescu: principal export than they received prior to adopting the market share strategy ? and this will be a permanent shift."

13:56:55 mircea_popescu: derp. opec must sell less oil because otherwise we will steal even more of their revenue via internal taxation.

13:56:55 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AvU2cfXRk

13:56:56 assbot: Clarke and Dawe - Quantitative Easing - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1oMse )

13:56:56 mircea_popescu: logic.

13:56:58 mats: lol.

13:57:00 nubbins`: ^ worth a watch

13:57:28 mircea_popescu: mats what exactly do the americans expect local traitors to do other than steal as much as possible ?

13:57:43 mircea_popescu: that's the entire fucking point. why exactly else would maliki or anyone else EVEN TALK dumbass.gov ?

13:57:54 mircea_popescu: what, they like nuland or something ?

13:58:07 mats: who knows. i'm sure most of the staff guys over there are busy avoiding locals for fear of catching a bullet.

13:58:15 mircea_popescu: "bring a billion or two, we'll take you out tonight"

13:58:16 mats: ye good ol' "green on green"

13:58:49 nubbins`: ahahahaha these guys

13:58:54 nubbins`: srsly

13:59:12 nubbins`: "once you ascertain you have the alignment correct, you open the window, alert the banking sector, and press 'print'"

14:00:30 mircea_popescu: "John Gault is Co-Director, Executive Master in International Oil and Gas Leadership, The Graduate Institute, Geneva."

14:00:32 mircea_popescu: srsly.

14:00:58 mircea_popescu: co-director & executive master of the international word word leadership fictional entity, geneva.

14:01:05 nubbins`: who is john ga... oh, you just said

14:01:20 nubbins`: (MFW ayn rand died on social assistance)

14:01:20 mircea_popescu: after a fashion.

14:01:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16705 @ 0.00026806 = 4.4779 BTC [-] {2}

14:01:45 mircea_popescu: all sorts of experts experting expertly.

14:01:47 mats: this 'Executive Master' construct is new to me

14:01:55 mats: imma add that to my list of titles.

14:02:06 mircea_popescu: i kinda imagine "the graduate institute" to be like... the film, the graduate. except in an institution.

14:02:28 mircea_popescu: mats i suppose ima import it in my harem. i can be the master, and the slavegirls could be executive masters.

14:02:42 mats: heh

14:02:52 mircea_popescu: socialist bdsm.

14:15:30 danielpbarron: height=316322 vs height=221389

14:32:59 funkenstein_: ohio has been mentioned a few time here recently so

14:33:02 funkenstein_: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYDiggEp-hw

14:44:41 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-duffy-silent-as-he-arrives-for-senate-expenses-trial-1.3022689

14:44:43 assbot: Mike Duffy silent as he arrives for Senate expenses trial - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1wuCK )

14:44:45 nubbins`: fuck mike duffy

14:49:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i don't get what the issue is. can you summarize ?

14:49:45 nubbins`: duffy was caught a while back charging a ton of frivolous expenses to his senate expense account

14:49:56 nubbins`: like a house he never lived in

14:50:19 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Senate_expenses_scandal

14:50:20 assbot: Canadian Senate expenses scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1yr27 )

14:50:26 mircea_popescu: ah, so plain fraud. mkay.

14:50:38 nubbins`: unanswered is why the Canadian senate is stuffed with washed-up former journalists

14:51:00 nubbins`: and nobodies like Patrick Brazeau

14:51:15 nubbins`: who, after being suspended from the senate, got a job at a strip club and threw his girlfriend down a set of stairs

14:52:48 nubbins`: oh also

14:52:49 nubbins`: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/can.general/Ay0OqlUwdWk

14:52:50 assbot: Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1z6k0 )

14:53:30 nubbins`: It was all on live TV yesterday morning. Pierre Trudeau's grieving ex-wife had come to view the Centennial Flame shortly after a ceremony marking the departure of his coffin to a funeral train bound for Montreal. Margaret Trudeau was trying to compose herself and nodded quietly as people offered their condolences.

14:54:05 nubbins`: Suddenly, somebody pushed his way through.  Margaret turned and said "Oh, hi Mike," and smiled broadly.  "This was Misha's birthday," the man said, referring to the Trudeaus' youngest son Michel, who died two years ago.  Her face froze and she burst into tears.  She turned around and quickly walked away.  "It's Michel's birthday today," she said in a strained voice to those around her. "I didn't remember." Michel, the youngest of her

14:54:05 nubbins`: three sons with Trudeau, died nearly two years ago in an avalanche and his body was never found.

14:54:40 nubbins`: ladies and gentlemen... mister mike "dr. robotnik" duffy

14:56:49 nubbins`: somewhat more succinctly from the toronto star: "In 2000, four days after Pierre’s death, Margaret went out. She was confronted by a TV reporter, the punchably cruel Mike Duffy, now a senator, who barked at her, “How do you feel today, Mrs. Trudeau? Have you remembered it’s Michel’s birthday?” She collapsed."

14:57:03 nubbins`: "punchably cruel" is nice

14:57:25 mircea_popescu: who's trudeau ?

14:57:54 mike_c: danielpbarron: experiment is over, yes? given pace over the last few days the slow version is literally never going to finish.

14:58:51 nubbins`: former prime minister pierre trudeau, who famously enacted the war measures act in 1970 when couple politicians got kidnapped and murdered

14:59:04 nubbins`: "what of the bleeding hearts?", he was asked

14:59:07 nubbins`: "let them bleed"

14:59:41 mircea_popescu: so then what problem do you see ?

15:00:06 nubbins`: only that the senate is full of subhumans

15:01:00 nubbins`: appointed by our own lizard hitler, stephen harper

15:05:26 nubbins`: mircea_popescu incidentally, trudeau's son (because this is what politics in north america is now) is currently the leader of the national liberal party, w/ maybe a 50-50 shot at the big seat next election

15:05:35 mircea_popescu: lol

15:05:58 nubbins`: srs.

15:06:25 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuSpZ3_5pTc

15:06:26 assbot: Justin Trudeau -- Patrick Brazeau Charity Boxing Match -- English Coverage of Complete Fight - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1a1Ck7f )

15:06:48 nubbins`: there's trudeau and the strip-club-managing, girlfriend-stair-down-throwing senator... /boxing each other/

15:07:09 mats: http://log.b-a.link/?date=07-04-2015#1090422 << similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such.

15:07:09 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 02:43:33; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ubiquiti example dovetails nicely with the thread re: unemployed reversers. if persians happily buy turdware, they either haven't many, or haven't any competent ones, or they are all occupied with something else (what ?)

15:13:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 72.85073993 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 14 satoshi per share

15:14:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00026776 = 8.2202 BTC [-] {2}

15:15:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 28.16939346 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 563 satoshi per share

15:16:26 mircea_popescu: oh motherfucker.

15:16:52 mircea_popescu: fine. that's it. i'm gifting a friggin bitcoin and whatever, the gods have spoken.

15:20:20 mircea_popescu: !up deedbot-

15:20:22 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT

15:20:23 assbot: dpaste: 08761FT ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MEh6 )

15:20:23 deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.

15:20:36 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/08761FT.txt

15:20:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MIxu )

15:20:37 deedbot-: accepted: 2

15:20:40 mircea_popescu: yay. cool.

15:21:22 mats: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/07/us-tnt-express-m-a-fedex-idUSKBN0MY06G20150407

15:21:24 assbot: FedEx to buy TNT for $4.8 billion to take on rivals in Europe | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1N3MRkm )

15:24:13 punkman: oh great

15:25:13 mircea_popescu: all things must be shittified.

15:25:27 punkman: TNT was reasonably fast last time I used them

15:36:23 lobbes: !up ascii_field

15:50:11 ascii_field: mircea_popescu:hm, when a motherboard comes on when the supply comes on, no buttons or anything, and then won't atx powerdown << what did you do to it

16:06:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21466 @ 0.00027219 = 5.8428 BTC [+] {2}

16:44:26 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: 'what did you do to it' << walked down a dark alley all unsuspecting like

17:49:12 BingoBoingo: !up stunna

18:01:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 26491 @ 0.00004 = 1.0596 BTC [-] {2}

18:17:41 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:17:58 ascii_field: http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/07/politics/power-outage-washington-dc << mega-l0l

18:17:59 assbot: D.C. hit by power outage - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0Jyoo )

18:30:28 lobbes: 'The power went out during the daily State Department briefing, with Deputy Spokesperson Marie Harf using a phone light to continue taking questions from reporters.' << heh

18:46:00 punkman: do all power outages make the news over there?

18:46:05 ascii_field: no.

18:46:21 ascii_field: quite certainly not.

18:52:53 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:53:47 ben_vulpes: dc really is the center of all american rot, isn't it?

18:54:01 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: at least on paper

18:54:13 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: in practice, rot is a very 'peer2peer' affair

18:54:15 ben_vulpes: brownouts and power outages *do not happen* here.

18:54:38 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear

18:54:44 ascii_field: but i'm not in dc city gates proper

18:54:51 ascii_field: it is quite unusual there.

18:55:01 ben_vulpes: this is madness, man.

18:55:12 ascii_field: 'no, it is sparta!'

18:55:13 *: punkman just replaced old UPS

18:55:37 ascii_field: at present time, i have a massive double-converting ups

18:55:41 ascii_field: before that, a ferroresonator

18:56:13 ascii_field: before that, a dynasty of ordinary ups, which tripped so often that they frequently died

18:56:43 chetty: well with the greenies shutting down power plants all over its only gonna get worse

18:58:58 ascii_field: chetty: largely a cover for existing infrastructural decay.

18:59:11 ascii_field: the kind of thing that dying empire cannot really hide for long

18:59:32 ascii_field: it also shows where the -actual- usg priorities are

18:59:46 ascii_field: (-not- the elected muppets, for one thing)

19:00:57 ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves.

19:04:57 ascii_field: afaik that is where the bulk of the 'salable' vulns actually come from.

19:05:26 ascii_field: anyone interested in becoming this kind of 'agricultural' labourer - knows where to go.

19:09:30 chetty: I cant help but find it delicious it hits dc

19:11:10 ascii_field: chetty: wake me up when it hits something important

19:11:18 chetty: jajajajaja

19:12:47 ascii_field: (for n00bz: the subcontractors which do most of the practical 'usg-ing' are headquartered largely in north virginia, and have massive backup power and other every other conceivable luxury, large and small, on the grounds.)

19:18:15 chetty: well as I heard the power went out in 'useful' places, the white house,the state department ... :D

19:18:28 ascii_field: useful l0l

19:25:23 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:28:16 BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts."

19:28:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ph3dVw )

19:40:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9425 @ 0.00026703 = 2.5168 BTC [-] {2}

19:56:47 ben_vulpes: "wheels have had a shaky beginning - several have fallen over when their rotational inertia dropped below critical stability thresholds or ran into other unforseen obstacles."

19:58:01 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:58:07 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: wut

19:59:25 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091103

19:59:25 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 19:28:16; BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/uk/247529-bitcoin-exchange-opening-britain/ << "Bitcoin has had shaky beginnings with big Bitcoin exchanges like Mt Gov suffering huge thefts."

19:59:33 ascii_field: l0l

19:59:47 BingoBoingo: Oh, I was loling over "Mt Gov"

20:00:05 ben_vulpes: haw

20:00:13 ben_vulpes: looked like an x at this tiny fontsize

20:05:20 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well there's two solutions to your problem. Optometrics or Moar fontsize.

20:07:18 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it's a bit more complex than that. fontsize is nearly irrelevant, as i parse visually first by the structure of the code and then by wordshape. mispellings are rare, due to backround jobs that compile/evaluate text buffers on save and linters that have rules about symbol definition.

20:07:39 ben_vulpes: my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape

20:07:56 BingoBoingo: Option 3, More Screen

20:08:10 ben_vulpes: i've got 2 24" monitors.

20:08:16 ben_vulpes: 'tain't enough.

20:08:25 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: desk not full - could have moar

20:08:34 ben_vulpes: indubitably.

20:08:39 ben_vulpes: but for now, this is adequate.

20:08:41 ascii_field: when full - can hang'em up

20:08:50 BingoBoingo: Consider 4 36"s I say from my adequate to purposes 11.6" screen.

20:09:21 ben_vulpes: hyu

20:09:42 mats: hue

20:10:50 trinque: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bHLR3faI7lU/hqdefault.jpg

20:10:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTcGb6 )

20:12:08 trinque: http://www.greenpeace.org/seasia/ph/Global/seasia/image/2005/9/stack_of_monitors.jpg << hah there you go ben_vulpes

20:12:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTcKrr )

20:25:12 ben_vulpes: heh yeah something like that, trinque

20:25:39 ben_vulpes: there's a van with a setup akin to that first link in Snow Crash of which i was always enamore.d

20:25:44 ben_vulpes: enamored*

20:26:23 ben_vulpes: what I *really* want, though, is not even a desk but 2 six-axis arms that keep my keyboard and monitors in the appropriate ergonomic relationship.

20:30:36 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:43:20 BingoBoingo: http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/04/five-volunteer-firefighters-in-ellis-county-jailed-on-aggravated-sexual-assault-charges.html/

20:43:21 assbot: Affidavit: Volunteer firefighters used sausage in videotaped sex assault at Ellis County fire station | | Dallas Morning News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Phe3uG )

20:55:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00027357 = 7.8104 BTC [+]

20:56:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field wasn't me

20:56:41 mircea_popescu: but from what i gather, it got the 6 pin cpu power in its 8 slot

20:57:01 ascii_field: l0l

20:57:07 ascii_field: magic smoke ?

20:57:24 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes: not only do they happen where i live, but with sufficient frequency that i'm stuck using very elaborate power conditioning gear << you and fucking indians, i swear.

20:57:48 mircea_popescu: everybody warned me when i came here, "o may gawd power outages". i ended up overprovisioning power by such a wide berth it's ridiculous.

20:58:03 mircea_popescu: a village's worth of african children could have gone through prostitution school for that dough.

20:58:09 ascii_field: aha i recall, that diesel trailer

20:58:51 mircea_popescu: i saw ONE power outage in a year, which was most likely the building bus being old.

20:59:06 ascii_field: outages are not even as annoying as brownouts and, especially - spikes

20:59:25 mircea_popescu: i've seen neither of those. ever.

20:59:27 ascii_field: generator does nothing against these

21:00:00 mircea_popescu: spikes used to be reasonably frequent in the 80s in ro. but not major spikes, just, 5-10% sort of things. but then they upgraded the infrastructure and it no longer relies on its own inductance

21:00:03 mircea_popescu: so pretty much gone

21:00:22 ascii_field: spikes were a perennial plague in su

21:00:36 mircea_popescu: yeah well, probably because they're running on obsolete romanian transformers

21:00:40 ascii_field: to the point that it was a given that a tv set would have a 'stabilizator' underneath, buzzing steadily

21:00:45 mircea_popescu: like fucking india

21:00:50 ascii_field: (ferroresonator)

21:01:21 ascii_field: iirc india runs on old su gear wholesale.

21:01:27 mircea_popescu: yeah, because why make the 100kv transformers weigh 180 tons. make them 24 and then fuck up the entire power supply.

21:01:34 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

21:03:27 ascii_field: the type of habitation traditional in american suburbs makes civilized power distribution astronomically expensive

21:04:04 mircea_popescu: ah

21:04:46 mircea_popescu: o wow, fucking sprawl. you probably can't just get a huge 100kv - 2kv stepper and feed a whole neighbourhood, must have like 100kv - 12kv - 1,x kv multistep hu

21:04:47 mircea_popescu: h

21:05:12 ascii_field: 120v (america) also entails 2x the current for given wattage, on the low transformer end

21:05:19 ascii_field: >> more copper

21:05:32 mircea_popescu: o.O

21:05:36 mircea_popescu: allthewrongchoices.jpg

21:05:46 ascii_field: similar to situation with net pipes

21:06:23 ascii_field: early to the game - does not translate to 'better', when the result is massive antiquated crud everywhere, that no one contemplates replacing because $maxint

21:06:47 mircea_popescu: the 120 volt choice was a bad idea.

21:06:50 ascii_field: it is a marvel that they didn't stick with edison's direct current grid

21:07:00 ascii_field: think of the 'l337 job creation'

21:07:07 ascii_field: a substation on -every- street...

21:07:28 ascii_field: it was a bad idea -inherited directly from edison dc grid-

21:07:36 mircea_popescu: myeah

21:08:07 ascii_field: (for light bulb - and resistive heaters, similar - compatibility.)

21:08:53 ascii_field: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/off-goes-the-power-current-started-by-thomas-edison/?_r=0 << edison dc grid turned off in '07 !

21:08:56 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhhZLU )

21:09:23 mircea_popescu: you know... the more i think of this the more it appears a major strategic problem for the us. larger than fucking isis, larger than the chinese fmi, larger even than their inability to maintain railroad infrastructure.

21:09:38 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: think of their peculiar system of weights and measures

21:09:49 ascii_field: used... where else, today? zimbabwe ?

21:09:49 mircea_popescu: think : in the coming economy, the ability to easily get good clean power in the 10 to 100kw range of european towns is going to weigh very heavily

21:10:02 mircea_popescu: because production in future is going to look more like your garage than ford factory.

21:10:59 mircea_popescu: so the fact that giancarlo milanese can ask for a 380v line today and have it working in may whereas joe washington can't even get it... well...

21:11:04 mircea_popescu: if you got stuff to do you move.

21:11:30 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: one thought that i can't possibly be the first to think is that miners have a tremendous incentive to get off their government mains grids.

21:11:44 ascii_field: (gives away their position, among other problems)

21:11:58 mircea_popescu: not where that rose is getting cut.

21:12:22 ascii_field: ?

21:13:09 mircea_popescu: cheaper for miners to cut the head of the governments in question than to create alt-powergrid.

21:13:19 mircea_popescu: you're thinking of govt as this fixed item. it is the least fixed item of all.

21:13:44 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: power grids as we know them are an inherently totalitarian institution

21:14:03 mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with authority.

21:14:06 ascii_field: literally centralized power, by design

21:14:13 mircea_popescu: there's somethin wrong with authority in the hands of the stupid,

21:14:15 mircea_popescu: but that never lasts.

21:14:36 ascii_field: egypt went on for a good long while, iirc.

21:15:04 mircea_popescu: stupid is a relative term.

21:15:07 funkenstein_: maybe people will finally turn off the lights

21:15:38 mircea_popescu: why would people ever do that ?

21:16:02 mircea_popescu: i'd run the lights if the lights ran on your liquefied babies.

21:16:05 mircea_popescu: some things are important.

21:16:22 funkenstein_: not street lights

21:16:37 mircea_popescu: oh, those.

21:16:45 mircea_popescu: you should see the us lmao.

21:17:00 funkenstein_: europe from space at night is quite a sight

21:17:09 mircea_popescu: they got it in their head that "parking lots are dangerous" because "women get raped" because hey, it's a literary conventions, and nobody can accuse us writers of not being lazy.

21:17:21 mircea_popescu: nevermind that the rapes that do happen happen in parking garages not lots.

21:17:34 mircea_popescu: so... now you have to have a pole every 10 meters, and can't even turn because LIGHT OMG

21:17:37 mircea_popescu: parking lots are scary.

21:17:38 mircea_popescu: nuts.

21:18:09 funkenstein_: could be a good use for all that ammunition

21:18:37 mircea_popescu: shooting a streetlight is not trivial. try sometime.

21:18:40 ascii_field: street lamps where i live often suffer from a peculiar glitch where they switch -off- if someone walks near

21:19:03 ascii_field: (light from adjacent poles falls on you, reflected back to photocell on the light in question)

21:19:18 mircea_popescu: dude there was a light like that on the road out of timisoara, he was the lol of all time. we'd like visit to make fun.

21:19:54 ascii_field: especially fun to watch folks suggest nonsensical explanations for the effect

21:20:02 funkenstein_: think of their peculiar system of weights and measures <-- nasa made official call to move to metric system once

21:20:20 funkenstein_: the order moved down the command chain, arrived in machine shop

21:20:46 funkenstein_: request for new tools went back up the command chain.. end of that attempt

21:20:52 ascii_field: $maxint.

21:20:55 ascii_field: literally.

21:21:11 ascii_field: the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war

21:21:18 ascii_field: so no one ever really took it seriously

21:21:19 funkenstein_: lol

21:21:45 mircea_popescu: yeah, these aren't things people can actually do.

21:21:48 funkenstein_: it is conceivalbe to slowly phase in on replacements?

21:21:52 mircea_popescu: nope.

21:21:57 mircea_popescu: it's one of those "all at once" things.

21:22:36 funkenstein_: slug-feet is is then

21:22:53 mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a joke : when they entered the eu, the romanians starting bidding on all sorts of contracts. like for instance, a 1947 british rfq to move the country to european style driving.

21:23:11 mircea_popescu: the police dept of bumfuck offered to write a plan and outline strategy and everything.

21:23:19 mircea_popescu: the brits were pretty scared.

21:23:54 mircea_popescu: then the outline showed up. "the change will be introduced in phases. for the first five years, only trucks and vehicles over 5 tons will switch to driving on right"

21:24:37 ascii_field: !b 4

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21:24:57 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> the loss in physical plant would be comparable to a world war << actually, not anymore. the us has already lost so much physical plant since the 50s it might have been through half a dozen world wars.

21:25:24 funkenstein_: lol

21:25:30 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ... and i -still- have to keep two sets of drill bits

21:25:37 ascii_field: and wrenches

21:25:40 ascii_field: and ... etc

21:25:50 ascii_field: that was the only real effect of the u.s. botched metric push

21:25:56 mircea_popescu: and i gotta keep two sets of womenz. what's your point.

21:26:02 mircea_popescu: not everything fits the same way.

21:28:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091093 << this much is true. but hey, beats webcams.

21:28:10 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 19:00:57; ascii_field: mats: ... similar gig as you, i imagine: working for 'the man' in compartmentalized ops, churning out weaponized exploits and such. << believe or not, i was never in this business. not even from ethical considerations, but starting with the fact that it is a -terrifyingly- dreary kind of work, carried out largely with brute force 'fuzzing' by gigantic stables of fungible slaves.

21:28:24 ascii_field: webcams ?

21:28:49 mircea_popescu: ascii_field there's exactly three things a woman can do with herself that doesn't work as the housemaid of a dude.

21:29:14 mircea_popescu: one is working the pick-n-placers. the other's working the masturbatrons. the third's you know, "using her head", as in, this fuzzer, that fuzzer...

21:29:47 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there are quite likely more women in the deep-water oceanic oil prospecting industry than in vuln digging

21:29:51 mircea_popescu: the sortage is generally, "whether she thinks she's pretty", "whether she thinks she's smart"

21:30:01 mircea_popescu: ascii_field mno.

21:30:21 mircea_popescu: every farm i ever saw was eastern european / azn women. like, 9:1 women or more.

21:30:51 ascii_field: not same as spam farms

21:30:59 ascii_field: assuming that is what mircea_popescu was thinking of

21:31:32 mircea_popescu: at the level we're discussing here, there's really no difference between working as " gawker vp of pr" or working as "candi19874 on myfreewebcams". srsly.

21:32:05 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

21:32:13 ascii_field: but between looking for 0days and these two items - yes, difference

21:32:32 mircea_popescu: yes. because this is for "girl think she's pretty" and those for "girl thinks she's smart".

21:32:49 mircea_popescu: but difference between spam farm and 0day farm, and "code farm" generally .. also nil.

21:33:02 ascii_field: i have yet to meet, or even hear of, any females in that business other than the two or three world-famous ones

21:33:15 mircea_popescu: these are the three female professions. the differences within them are minute.

21:33:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field why would you ever meet them ?!

21:34:24 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: let's phrase it this way - my circle 3 degrees out includes perhaps a thousand such slaves, and i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females.

21:34:33 mircea_popescu: weird.

21:34:33 ascii_field: this is not 'god's word' but hearsay, yes.

21:34:45 mircea_popescu: maybe strange cultural difference at work ?!

21:34:55 ascii_field: possible

21:35:03 mircea_popescu: the argument i always hear is, "dudes have no focus and can't be trusted to pay the fuck attention"

21:35:13 ascii_field: the pick-n-place argument, yes

21:35:33 mircea_popescu: eh, pick and place is like waitressing. so you missed a spot. big deal.

21:35:42 ascii_field: same with fuzzing

21:35:53 ascii_field: the next slave will notice what you missed, is the notion

21:36:15 mircea_popescu: yeah but you need to know / learn a shitload more to do this than to wipe the table / put the pin in the hole.

21:36:24 mircea_popescu: and to learn you must read. and dudes don't read.

21:36:33 ascii_field: for what it's worth, my hypothesis for the maleness of the profession is that it is the very epitome of greenspun's tournamentmarket

21:36:44 mircea_popescu: no it's not !?

21:36:48 ascii_field: virtually the whole motivation comes from 'what if -i- catch the big one'

21:36:49 mircea_popescu: they make a salary.

21:36:58 ascii_field: many ways to make salary

21:36:58 mircea_popescu: uh. they wouldn't even know if they did.

21:37:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu -might- be thinking of a different profession than i was

21:37:29 mircea_popescu: am i ?

21:37:48 mircea_popescu: how would 0day slave distinguish between what he's told he's doing (unit testing) and what he's actually doing ?

21:37:50 ascii_field: if it's one that includes gurlz to any detectable extent, then almost certainly

21:38:02 ascii_field: aha mircea_popescu was thinking of testers/qa.

21:38:12 mircea_popescu: it's how you look for 0 days!

21:38:16 ascii_field: nope

21:38:21 ascii_field: any more than pigs make ham

21:38:22 mircea_popescu: you hire a huge team of those and cut the job up to them

21:38:25 ascii_field: it is butchers who make ham

21:38:36 mircea_popescu: oh, then yes we were thinking of very different things.

21:38:53 ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc

21:39:01 mircea_popescu: but i say the pigs make ham. as that one butcher observed, "i only follow the lines already there"

21:39:03 ascii_field: the folks i was speaking of - determine whether said crash was exploitable

21:39:14 ascii_field: normally they forgo the meat robots and use scripts

21:39:23 ascii_field: this practice is traditionally called 'fuzzing'

21:39:35 mircea_popescu: no, fuzzing is when you forego scripts and use humans.

21:39:42 mircea_popescu: because humans to some degree heuristic.

21:39:56 mircea_popescu: the thing where you use scripts is bruteforce i guess. ripper-it

21:40:06 *: ascii_field suspects a 'national' variation in terminology

21:40:12 mircea_popescu: mebbe so. anyway.

21:40:15 ascii_field: over here, 'fuzzing' is done with machines.

21:40:28 mircea_popescu: testament to over there illiteracy.

21:40:33 mircea_popescu: there's nothing fuzzy about a numeric machine.

21:41:02 ascii_field: we spoke, for instance, of fuzzing gpg format.

21:41:10 mircea_popescu: !s fuzzing gpg

21:41:11 assbot: 0 results for 'fuzzing gpg' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fuzzing+gpg

21:41:15 mircea_popescu: no we didn't :D

21:41:36 ascii_field: 'high-tech' fuzzers actually spot differences in branch outcomes at every conditional jump as consequence of nth bit in input having changed

21:41:52 mircea_popescu: what if no code ?

21:44:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091117 << this is a bad idea and it will make you as blind as an old jew.

21:44:37 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 20:07:39; ben_vulpes: my goal is primarily to cram as much text on the screen as possible before losing structure or wordshape

21:44:56 mircea_popescu: listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall.

21:46:01 ascii_field: whaddayamean no code

21:46:06 ascii_field: was speaking of raw cpu instructions.

21:46:15 mircea_popescu: ah ah

21:46:43 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm not aware it's a solved problem.

21:46:58 ascii_field: not 'solved' as such

21:47:15 ascii_field: but there are productive approaches that don't reduce to pure brute strength

21:47:21 ascii_field: but only -mostly-

21:47:27 mats: instrumenting tool e.g. afl plus qemu

21:47:44 ascii_field: aha

21:47:44 mircea_popescu: and Brittany Leanne Parten, 23 were arrested << o.O

21:48:24 mircea_popescu: "Court records say the laughing men initially tried to use a broomstick for the deed, which was videotaped on a cell phone. But then one of them said, ?I have something better? and retrieved a chorizo sausage from the station?s refrigerator, the records say."

21:48:37 jurov: waitwhat? my dad worked in QA of "tesla elektroakustika" and pick and place was considered woman's job

21:49:05 ascii_field: jurov: it -is-

21:50:01 jurov: "i was told in no uncertain terms that there were no females" was about which occupation then?

21:50:06 mats: https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/868-How-Heartbleed-couldve-been-found.html << uses afl!

21:50:07 assbot: How Heartbleed could've been found - Hanno's blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlIn4J )

21:50:14 jurov: spam farms?

21:50:31 ascii_field: jurov: spam farms is what mircea_popescu might have thought i was speaking of

21:51:14 mircea_popescu: i srsly think your distinction is entirely arbitrary.

21:51:36 mircea_popescu: the "spam farms" and the monkey-on-a-stick farms where microsoft code is actuallywritten, and this stuff... really, what's the difference ?

21:51:46 mircea_popescu: people coming out of any of them come out with the same sorts of "ideas"

21:52:01 mircea_popescu: (for a real world example, the derp with the btctc exchange is certainly a victim)

21:52:39 mircea_popescu: i suppose this may be the issue, i classify culturally, ie, by the beast's mental excrement. ascii_field you prolly classify by some sort of "what the job is". as if jobs actually are about something.

21:53:35 ascii_field: the difference is, as al schwartz phrased it, 'does your assembly line require phds? if yes, your firm is doomed'

21:53:49 mircea_popescu: heh.

21:53:50 mircea_popescu: "Heartbleed is a read buffer overflow. What that means is that an application is reading outside the boundaries of a buffer. For example, imagine an application has a space in memory that's 10 bytes long. If the software tries to read 20 bytes from that buffer, you have a read buffer overflow."

21:54:01 ascii_field: and yes, to me - jobs are about something.

21:54:01 mircea_popescu: for the record, this seems to me disqualifyingly dumb.

21:54:15 mircea_popescu: ascii_field not these jobs. these jobs are about the narrative in the "worker's" head.

21:54:38 ascii_field: that's not called industry, that is called 'psych ward'

21:55:02 ascii_field: 'i am a carpenter.' 'show me some wood.' - patient pulls out wad of own shit

21:55:15 mircea_popescu: !s engineering psychiatry

21:55:16 assbot: 0 results for 'engineering psychiatry' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineering+psychiatry

21:55:20 mircea_popescu: orly ?!

21:55:42 ascii_field: !s engineer psychiatrist

21:55:42 assbot: 0 results for 'engineer psychiatrist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=engineer+psychiatrist

21:55:48 ascii_field: b0rk3d

21:55:51 mircea_popescu: srsly.

22:02:43 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:05:48 ascii_field: the tool which mats linked to requires having source, yes

22:06:15 ascii_field: it is only moderately difficult to build a variant which does not.

22:06:26 ascii_field: (exercise for alert reader!)

22:08:19 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> listen to me, never read text not > 1 cm tall. << why aren't you talking about arc-seconds?!

22:08:22 mircea_popescu: moreover, that's not what a buffer overflow is.

22:08:50 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes because arc seconds don't actually matter in this discussion.

22:09:32 ben_vulpes: 1cm doesn't make sense in that 1 cm is huge if close and tiny if far away

22:10:43 mircea_popescu: but as long as it's 1cm you'll seat yourself at a convenient distance.

22:11:15 pete_dushenski: that depends on desk, keyboard configuration too

22:11:20 mircea_popescu: if you're looking at much finer detail you push it in too close and do all sorts of damage.

22:12:10 pete_dushenski: scoop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/07/foreign-aid-assuaging-your-guilt-and-ruining-lives-since-forever/

22:12:12 assbot: Foreign aid : assuaging your guilt and ruining lives… since forever. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlOnsv )

22:12:17 ben_vulpes: that's an interesting normalization, mircea_popescu.

22:12:50 mircea_popescu: the body is complex, the brain the most complex part, and the circuitry that drives vision the most complex of that. let it work rather than try to be smarter than it on fewer neurons.

22:14:16 pete_dushenski: a family physician i know also recommended looking at least 20 ft away from the screen every 20 mins to allow eyes to relax

22:15:27 mircea_popescu: the specifics vary, but the red thread always is, "the thing works fine, the less you fuck with it the longer you'll enjoy it."

22:15:52 ben_vulpes: yes but whence the 1cm number -- whence!?

22:16:22 ascii_field: i can also tell that the work of mircea_popescu is not ever i/o bound.

22:16:38 mircea_popescu: ascii_field like how ?

22:16:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that is a mystery.

22:16:51 ascii_field: in that try reading disassemblies with 1cm tall characters.

22:17:04 ascii_field: and see how far you get

22:17:22 mircea_popescu: hey, i am not proposing every blind figurine carver can be a king.

22:17:24 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes sorta like why is the golden ratio so golden ?

22:17:29 trinque: bind size up/down sensibly, good to go

22:17:33 mircea_popescu: im just proposing that people don't cook like they're carving figurines.

22:18:47 pete_dushenski: mm so think nachinka, not netsuki

22:21:24 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: foreign aid article << it's a surplus-burner

22:22:02 pete_dushenski: but where do you see surplusses?

22:22:15 mircea_popescu: now that's a q eh. what surpluses.

22:22:18 ascii_field: 'The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely

22:22:18 ascii_field: internal affair....' (orwell's 1984)

22:22:38 ascii_field: of free time, for instance

22:22:46 mircea_popescu: except the us is not particularly hierarchical, and it has no surplus of anything.

22:22:58 mircea_popescu: if it were doing that it'd bring back the draft.

22:23:08 mircea_popescu: but the "aid army" w/e it was called never took off.

22:23:22 pete_dushenski: "peacekeepers"

22:23:26 mircea_popescu: best thing that could happen to the us is force every citizen under 18 to live a year in africa.

22:23:32 mircea_popescu: but not "allow". force.

22:23:35 mircea_popescu: and shoot escapees.

22:23:41 pete_dushenski: lol!

22:23:45 ascii_field: modern usa's 'aid' is about the dough coming back to the right coffers, washed, yes

22:23:53 mircea_popescu: then import as many african kids to live within the now empty nests

22:23:54 ascii_field: something rather different than mr o's concept

22:24:00 mircea_popescu: and after the year let the family pick which one they wish to keep.

22:24:12 pete_dushenski: china seems to be sending a few, though not all, young men and women to africa, likely to beneficial effect

22:24:27 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: they live on reservations with no locals permitted, iirc

22:24:30 pete_dushenski: for the chinese mainly

22:24:36 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski terribru for them. chinese women that go black definitely won't go back.

22:24:38 ascii_field: like martian colonies

22:25:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: do the ones who 'go' horse - ever 'go back' ?

22:25:17 ascii_field: and of which is there more.

22:25:20 pete_dushenski: ascii_field every country's aid is intended to come back to 'right coffers'

22:25:31 pete_dushenski: tis my argument at least

22:25:34 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the whores that go hoarse don't go back, no.

22:25:54 mircea_popescu: shoulda put hearse in there too i guess.

22:25:55 ascii_field: horse, mule, ...

22:25:57 ascii_field: elephant ?

22:26:48 mircea_popescu: i imagine sea mammals.

22:26:53 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu terribru for the chinese? does chinese woman really desire random african suitor?

22:26:54 mircea_popescu: the sea has a +penis effect.

22:27:10 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i have nfi.

22:27:16 ascii_field: 'go dolphin, never go back' ?

22:27:17 mircea_popescu: jus' messin' around a little.

22:27:18 pete_dushenski: lolk

22:27:36 mircea_popescu: ascii_field you ever been in one of those cars with memory seats ?

22:27:43 ascii_field: aha got one

22:28:00 ascii_field: pretty useless

22:28:03 mircea_popescu: well, kinda how vagina works. whenever excited, it kinda goes back to wherever it had fun last.

22:28:13 pete_dushenski: there's no shortage of african gents here, ones crafty enough to game their way over the border, none of whom seem to be knocking up any girlfriends of mine

22:28:48 pete_dushenski: that makes the vagina like an old man with a mid- or late-life crisis

22:29:00 mircea_popescu: lol

22:29:15 pete_dushenski: buying muscle cars because that's where the fun was!

22:29:40 ascii_field: muscle computers.

22:29:44 mircea_popescu: i doubt they actually did it in muscle cars.

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22:30:09 pete_dushenski: well, the ones who didn't are now buying the cars to reimagine themselves as the ones who did!

22:30:29 ascii_field: what will a muscle computer be ..?

22:30:38 mircea_popescu: 1000 chickens!

22:30:41 pete_dushenski: given that the sportier metal goes for $100k+, it's the former qb of the football team buying it

22:32:25 pete_dushenski: 1000 chickens is more like a muscle grocery store

22:33:13 mats: ascii_field: there's a decent amount of work done with afl to enable black box testing

22:35:13 mats: e.g. https://github.com/mothran/aflpin

22:35:14 assbot: mothran/aflpin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybHZDe )

22:35:28 mats: (i spent some time this month experimenting with afl -- good stuff)

22:39:33 pete_dushenski: ^*it's NOT the former qb...

22:44:31 pete_dushenski: mebbe the 12-core mac pro, booted with danielpbarron's openbsd hack, will be our "muscle computer" in 30 years

22:44:48 pete_dushenski: i can't think of anyone else selling desktop hardware for $10k

22:45:00 pete_dushenski: even if intel turd

22:47:12 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> what will a muscle computer be ..? << DEC Alpha overclocked and cooled by Olympian means

22:48:05 pete_dushenski: like so ? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/VINTAGE-DEC-VX42B-F2-MULTIA-ALPHA-TERMINAL-233MHZ-543MB-HDD-32MB-RAM-FDD-/261816468691?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cf57a44d3

22:48:07 assbot: Vintage DEC VX42B F2 Multia Alpha Terminal 233MHz 543MB HDD 32MB RAM FDD | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybIZHC )

22:49:28 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Look for the ones listed with an extra figure or two in their price to this day

22:51:08 pete_dushenski: huh

22:51:13 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-AlphaServer-GS1280-Model-32-with-64GB-memory-and-UNIX-licenses-/370623042762?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564adad4ca is a start

22:51:15 assbot: HP AlphaServer GS1280 Model 32 with 64GB Memory and Unix Licenses | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybJeCx )

22:51:51 pete_dushenski: um ya. those are straight up servers.

22:52:00 BingoBoingo: Or for half the price http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-DS15-Alpha-Server-2-4-1000MHZ-w-4GB-RAM-IN-A-GOOD-CONDITION-/121333466602?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4009c5ea

22:52:02 assbot: HP DS15 Alpha Server 2 4 1000MHz w 4GB RAM in A Good Condition | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybJilL )

22:52:19 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, these are potential hot rods

22:53:01 pete_dushenski: they're pretty fuckin badass is what they are

22:53:54 pete_dushenski: imagine those in your study, with custom ducting to the outside, just awhirin' away

22:55:30 pete_dushenski: "whatcha doing, honey, plotting launch trajectories?" "just chatting with the boys"

22:59:25 pete_dushenski: "At various points in the budgets, [Rand] Paul questions the constitutionality of progressive income taxes, eliminates almost all federal education and housing programs, ends the biggest anti-poverty tax credits, eliminates foreign aid, institutes large defense cuts, slashes the State Department budget by more than two-thirds, and cuts the Food and Drug Administration budget to limit government "intrusion into

22:59:25 pete_dushenski: the nation’s food supply." "

22:59:37 pete_dushenski: ^speaking of foreign aid

23:00:07 pete_dushenski: sounds like paul has himself a functioning head, relatively speaking of course

23:01:46 pete_dushenski: too bad he looks so dweeby

23:03:50 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/04/vessenes-foundation-attemps-janssens-rebuttal/

23:03:51 assbot: Vessenes Foundation Attemps Janssens Rebuttal | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5efvq )

23:06:03 funkenstein_: rand is using bitpay for donations

23:09:10 punkman: "continue helping on a volunteer basis to help the Foundation during this financially austere time." << austerity strikes again

23:10:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo top kek ty.

23:10:27 punkman: https://theageofausterity.wordpress.com/

23:10:29 assbot: Keywords for the Age of Austerity ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybKCVK )

23:13:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a muscle computer is an amd fx + 64 gb of memory + swap on a ssd 1+0 raid array.

23:13:04 mircea_popescu: coupla grand or w/e.

23:15:15 trinque: pete_dushenski: it will be interesting to watch what happens there, if anything

23:15:32 trinque: I supported his father in 2008, felt pretty "mehhhhh" about doing the same by 2012

23:16:26 trinque: had his father been elected, the whole rest of the govt would've obstructed any substantial changes he'd want to make, so I don't know what good would've come of it

23:16:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00027526 = 3.3857 BTC [+]

23:16:47 trinque: I suppose he could send the executive branch on extended vacation

23:16:53 pete_dushenski: fair enough, there's huge bureaucratic momentum, but i'll definitely have some popcorn at the ready for the 2016 run

23:17:03 trinque: I'd love to see Rand Paul get in

23:17:22 trinque: but more yes, to do with popcorn than anything else

23:17:23 mircea_popescu: guy's already a senator neh ?

23:17:56 BingoBoingo: Rand Paul walks awfully close to the traditional "neo-conservative' line

23:17:57 mircea_popescu: trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to.

23:19:17 trinque: there's a vast bureaucracy he could shut down in a day, yes

23:19:24 BingoBoingo: http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468

23:19:25 assbot: North Charleston officer faces murder charge after video shows him shooting man in back - Post and Courier ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5hOSx )

23:19:34 trinque: it'd probably result in a power struggle with the congress trying to mandate certain shitty programs remain operational

23:19:48 mircea_popescu: the thing is, the congress can not tell the president what to do.

23:19:51 mircea_popescu: merely what not to do

23:19:56 mircea_popescu: and principally through not giving him money.

23:20:13 mircea_popescu: as powerless as congress proved itself to be trying to reign in a profilgate obama,

23:20:25 mircea_popescu: congress is actually entirely powerless to stop someone who does not wish to spend.

23:20:48 mircea_popescu: there's literally nothing anyone can do to force the president to spend money, a bias that actually comes from the olden days that's never been challenged, ever.

23:21:38 mircea_popescu: i suppose they could impeach him, of course, but that'll be the lulz of all time. "he was impeached for not spending!!1"

23:21:50 BingoBoingo: Emergency Powers Act

23:22:04 mircea_popescu: like "honey, i noticed our credit cards aren't even maxed anymore. i thought you promised to go shopping with the girls ? you know what... fuck this, i want a divorce"

23:22:06 trinque: heh could he declare an emergency due to infiltration by communists?

23:22:13 trinque: arrest congress

23:22:25 BingoBoingo: Arrest Congress during recess, then don't spend... win

23:22:26 mircea_popescu: trinque in similar circumstances yeltsin ordered the duma bombarded.

23:22:28 mircea_popescu: he won.

23:22:49 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5GVL3xN4KI

23:22:50 assbot: #1993coup: Russian White House burns after being bombarded by tanks - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5iur4 )

23:23:29 *: trinque claps

23:24:46 trinque: I've met his dad several times, and he's the only politician I've enjoyed speaking to

23:26:23 trinque: either Paul would not conceivably stand in the way of bitcoin, among other sane perspectives

23:29:57 pete_dushenski: by the time 2016 rolls around, there will be no one nuts enough to 'stand in the way'

23:30:17 pete_dushenski: they'll be pointing the hoover dam at a mining farm

23:30:43 pete_dushenski: ok, mebbe that's 2036...

23:33:33 trinque: we shall see

23:33:50 trinque: by then the hoover dam might be gone, or the colorado river might be dry

23:35:45 pete_dushenski: "In a prototype, aluminum was used to make the negatively-charged anode while graphite provided material for the positively charged cathode. A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said."

23:35:58 pete_dushenski: trinque anything's possible

23:36:00 funkenstein_: colorado river is already dry when it reaches the grande

23:38:19 pete_dushenski: https://www.informatica.com << apparently worth $5.3 bn to canada pension plan and permira

23:38:23 assbot: Informatica: Data integration leader for Big Data & Cloud Analytics ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybMEoR )

23:39:07 trinque: ipad.. check

23:39:08 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> trinque president can actually fire the entire government. and, logically, any serious president would have to << and get jfk'd.

23:39:14 trinque: ^

23:39:22 asciilifeform: and he only tried to close one ministry.

23:39:51 trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIzfXOfpFcA

23:39:52 assbot: Jesse Ventura talks about CIA implanted in State Government, his CIA interrogation and trip to Cuba! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybMKgl )

23:39:54 asciilifeform: <pete_dushenski> ... A prototype aluminum battery recharged in one minute, the scientists said." << what charges in 1min, can discharge in 1m.

23:40:01 asciilifeform: there is no counter-argument possible.

23:40:18 asciilifeform: in fact, typically what charges in 1m can discharge in 1ms.

23:40:23 pete_dushenski: haha suppose so

23:40:42 asciilifeform: pink meat mist.

23:41:39 trinque: in the vid Jessie Ventura recounts being summoned to the CIA to be questioned after election to the minnesota governorship

23:43:05 asciilifeform: a modern 'jfk' might not be shot, but petraeused or childpronned instead

23:43:14 asciilifeform: depending on the acuteness of the need.

23:43:30 trinque: they know not to let another JFK in to begin with

23:44:14 asciilifeform: and before mircea_popescu observes that 'no one has the balls' - if the 'balls-enabled' jfk appeared, a 'counter-jfk' would materialize out of thin aether

23:44:23 trinque: Ventura mentions the CIA questioning was about "how did you get elected?"

23:44:51 asciilifeform: trinque: ergo we know who -actually- rules usa.

23:44:57 trinque: of course

23:45:35 trinque: the actual government of the USA is a national security secret...

23:48:39 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Why did you start me on the ebay wanderings http://www.ebay.com/itm/1981-Chevrolet-C70-Fire-Truck-beautiful-truck-/191549706046?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c99408f3e&item=191549706046

23:48:41 assbot: 1981 Chevrolet C70 Fire Truck Beautiful Truck | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNqSU )

23:48:55 ben_vulpes: apropos of nothing: https://kmikeym.com/questions/85

23:48:56 assbot: KmikeyM.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNthz )

23:49:47 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what is this horror

23:50:19 trinque: "I'll leave this up to your discretion... if you ever put a tail on me again without telling me, you're gonna fine your tail floating in the river. Now you take that back to whoever needs to know it."

23:50:25 trinque: god damn Jessie Ventura is a bad motherfucker.

23:50:40 trinque: *find

23:51:09 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo yw

23:52:23 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Seriously http://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Ford-Tanker-F-800-/191551890188?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2c9961e30c&item=191551890188

23:52:25 assbot: 1983 Ford Tanker F 800 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybNIJk )

23:53:14 pete_dushenski: you're really an emergency vehicle kinda guy eh ?

23:53:30 pete_dushenski: lemme guess, childhood wall poster of ghostbusters wagon ?

23:53:49 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe, but now I'm just thinking of the pranks they enable

23:54:13 BingoBoingo: Also with all of that storage would make a great RV

23:55:56 BingoBoingo: Fill the thing up with tents, condoms, and lube and you could have a mobile orgy center

23:56:41 pete_dushenski: and hoses for cleaning off after, i could sorta see it if you were into rv'ing

23:56:51 mats: lol.

23:57:31 pete_dushenski: though i'll take a plane and high-end hotel room any day, and i'll still come out ahead on costs compared to 'high-end rv'

23:57:42 BingoBoingo: And seriously what isn't to like about a giant toolbox that just happens to have wheels and a motor

23:57:48 pete_dushenski: hard to compete with the price of those old beaters tho

23:58:08 pete_dushenski: um, other than needing the physical space to store it ?

23:58:33 pete_dushenski: if you have a farm, then w/e, but avowed urbanites need not apply

23:59:43 BingoBoingo: What is this storage business. This is the thing you store other things in.