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Transcript for 07-04-2016, 188 lines:

03:04:58 fluffypony: jurov: I run a second node on the other end of the planet, and if it's in the mempool there then I ignore it

03:05:19 fluffypony: But I also pay sufficient fees for my transactions to be mined almost always in the next block

04:54:03 punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11440627

04:54:04 assbot: Ask HN: Pick startups for YC to fund | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1VyN6pG )

06:20:15 punkman: http://archive.is/IMAJu

06:20:53 punkman: "More than 40% of Americans who borrowed from the government’s main student-loan program aren’t making payments or are behind on more than $200 billion owed, raising worries that millions of them may never repay."

06:23:30 punkman: https://www.peterkrautzberger.org/0186/

06:23:31 assbot: MathML is a failed web standard · Peter Krautzberger ... ( http://bit.ly/1quqgnY )

07:34:09 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2016#1443660 < there isnt all that much that you can do apart from

07:34:09 assbot: Logged on 06-04-2016 22:29:39; jurov: that aside, what do we do with it?

07:35:19 kakobrekla: 1. keep a node that is connected to manually selected important nodes, say explorer, pools, sturles :)

07:35:32 kakobrekla: 2. pay fee

07:35:35 kakobrekla: 3. be patient

07:36:52 kakobrekla: (mp failed to do all 3 things with the bb fuckup tx)

09:25:51 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2016#1443653 << TIL of https://blockr.io/tx/push TY jurov !

09:25:51 assbot: Logged on 06-04-2016 22:25:04; jurov: then i had enough and submitted it to blockr manually, got mined shortly after that

09:25:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVSlJn )

09:26:53 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-04-2016#1443600 {{}} http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-12-2015#1356096

09:26:53 assbot: Logged on 06-04-2016 17:20:27; kakobrekla: i stated this before, no signal is better than wrong signal.

09:26:53 assbot: Logged on 30-12-2015 00:21:53; adlai: !v assbot:adlai.rate.assbot.10:c87af3fbf44a30c72e61448f4fdc963f0d7803a187961126268b1522b5a8888d

09:29:41 *: adlai should probably stick to talking to markets, human peoples need sleep but the ticker ticks forever

09:30:13 kakobrekla: wait whut?

09:30:50 adlai: damnit now we have two channels of context, and assbot only gives one line, from one. this is hopeless.

09:31:04 kakobrekla: yeah, blame assbot

09:31:23 adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFQzx-ksBsw

09:31:24 assbot: Dont kick the god damn baby. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4q2A0 )

12:58:34 punkman: o hey acution passed my lowball estimate

12:58:42 punkman: 60btc now

13:32:56 kakobrekla: yeah

13:33:04 kakobrekla: 70 now

13:34:07 davout: 70 btc now

14:30:45 punkman: oh wow pete didn't go past 71?

14:30:53 punkman: who's znor?

14:44:20 punkman: !up thestringpuller

14:45:02 thestringpuller: jurov: did your transaction eventually make it through?

14:46:43 punkman: if anyone in wot ends up winning the auction, I might be interested in a minority share

14:53:05 kakobrekla: seems all legit bets come from people in the wot

14:53:53 PeterL: what makes something "legit bet"?

14:55:37 kakobrekla: this one wont fit http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-second-progress-report#comment-8421

14:55:38 assbot: BitBet receivership second progress report | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1qvRMSi )

14:56:23 kakobrekla: >Sorry for the last minute bid, no intent to create dram. RL got in the way

14:56:24 kakobrekla: lulzy

14:56:32 kakobrekla: real life would almost cost him bbet

14:56:34 asciilifeform: 1

14:56:39 kakobrekla: 2

14:56:39 kakobrekla: !

14:56:45 PeterL: 3

14:56:46 PeterL: ?

14:57:02 kakobrekla: idk maybe

14:57:27 kakobrekla: perhaps that was his password

15:07:10 kakobrekla: and pete takes the lead with 72

15:11:57 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

15:11:58 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 421.15, Best ask: 421.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 421.19, 24 hour volume: 7019.30812084, 24 hour low: 417.78, 24 hour high: 423.31, 24 hour vwap: None

15:12:03 thestringpuller: ;;calc 421 * 72

15:12:03 gribble: 30312

15:12:25 asciilifeform: ^ easily a small toyota

15:13:01 thestringpuller: you'd think he'd buy a BMW 3 series or two more mercedes instead trying to run bitbet (while in law school)

15:13:15 thestringpuller: a new*

15:15:48 kakobrekla: toyotas are that pricey?

15:15:54 asciilifeform: aha

15:16:16 *: kakobrekla not a car aficionado

15:16:33 *: asciilifeform is definitely not a car aficionado, but is inflation 'aficionado'

15:18:37 kakobrekla: well i guess if its znort or pete i guess i hope the latter gets it

15:18:59 davout: kakobrekla: a toyota can't be 72, a vw is 500

15:19:02 davout: :D

15:19:06 kakobrekla: :D

15:19:13 *: kakobrekla still drives 500 btc car

15:19:21 davout: kek

15:19:32 kakobrekla: cant amortize it for the life of me

15:19:33 davout: what can i say, i spent 2k btc on weed

15:19:49 kakobrekla: aha

15:20:03 asciilifeform: l0l!

15:50:32 kakobrekla: 30 mins to go

15:51:18 kakobrekla: pete capped out?

15:57:38 jurov: thestringpuller: it did, see next line in the log

16:21:08 kakobrekla: and znort in the lead with 75

16:22:19 kakobrekla: !up tripleslash

16:22:23 kakobrekla: say that again

16:22:31 tripleslash: isn't znort one of the blockchain analysis people?

16:22:44 kakobrekla: what does that mean?

16:22:52 kakobrekla: "bc analysis people" ?

16:23:17 tripleslash: Those guys that get paid to identify clusters of addresses belonging to people.

16:23:35 kakobrekla: that would explain the wish for logz

16:23:44 tripleslash: Even if they don't know the specific who, they know addresses A and B and C all are owned by the same person.

16:23:54 tripleslash: So identify one of the addresses to a name and you get them all.

16:24:05 tripleslash: That was my thinking with the logs.

16:24:21 kakobrekla: anyway i dont know who he is

16:24:47 tripleslash: I have some L2 trust to and from him but nothing directly.

16:24:49 kakobrekla: and idk why the auction was not limited to actual not-evil people

16:25:09 tripleslash: How do you prove or disprove 'not-evil'?

16:25:10 kakobrekla: perhaps mp is low on cash

16:25:22 kakobrekla: with a good standing in current wot

16:25:40 tripleslash: with current wot being the second forked version?

16:25:55 kakobrekla: which is the second ?

16:26:14 tripleslash: the newest version that fraudsters is using via deedbot

16:26:27 tripleslash: I can't keep up with it.

16:26:34 kakobrekla: the dead person wot? that would work too.

16:26:36 tripleslash: We're going to need wot for wot.

16:27:15 tripleslash: and with that, I go back to the shadows. Taht was just my two cents.

16:27:20 tripleslash: !down tripleslash

16:27:33 kakobrekla: too bad no tangible stuff

16:33:42 kakobrekla: and we have 80btc

17:06:10 kakobrekla: znort @ 81

17:06:23 kakobrekla: will be funny if he decides not to pay in case he wins

17:48:37 nubbins`: lel

17:48:54 nubbins`: ;;calc 85*[ticker --last]

17:48:55 gribble: 35896.35

17:49:08 nubbins`: pete writing a blog post about

17:49:42 nubbins`: "tipz on saving money" is funnier now

17:55:30 nubbins`: davout FWIW it should be UTC instead of GMT; also, what time zone are your blog comments using? holy confusing

17:56:09 nubbins`: anyone keeping a running tally of how many times hanbot mistakenly finds "errors" in the math?

17:56:48 asciilifeform: nubbins`: all the fucks you supposedly don't give, and have been giving, are they borrowed on credit somewhere ?!

17:56:51 nubbins`: also, any sign of / accounting for the 200 btc discrepancy?

17:57:06 nubbins`: asciilifeform if you're gonna be the talk police, you should get a badge

17:57:23 nubbins`: why not state your actual problem w/ me instead?

17:57:43 kakobrekla: the problem is you said you dont give a fuck while keep giving fucks id say

17:57:56 nubbins`: hey, so many different fucks.

17:58:36 nubbins`: didn't realize questions weren't welcome

17:58:43 kakobrekla: most of these questions belong to the other village anyway, try there?

17:58:59 nubbins`: shrug, davout is right here

17:59:08 asciilifeform: nubbins`: ask, ask

17:59:16 nubbins`: asciilifeform ...see above?

17:59:31 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i just l0l because nubbins` very clearly proclaimed indifference earlier.

17:59:54 nubbins`: permanent indifference to all matters, apparently?

18:00:01 kakobrekla: i feel warm and fuzzy inside when alf lols.

18:00:35 nubbins`: he must have amazing upper body strength by now

18:00:35 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

18:00:41 nubbins`: ^ <3

18:01:09 kakobrekla: you can bid on it atm!

18:01:26 nubbins`: didn't it end noon today gmt, whatever gmt is?

18:01:51 kakobrekla: no, it gets prolonged for 1h when new bet comes in.

18:02:09 nubbins`: oh wait, yes

18:02:27 *: nubbins` busily converts davout blog time zone to utc

18:03:45 nubbins`: The precise auction deadline is therefore 2016-04-06 23:59:59 GMT-12, which conveniently reduces to “Thursday the 7th of April at noon GMT”.

18:03:55 kakobrekla: whats your problem with gmt again?

18:04:12 nubbins`: there's an iso standard for times and dates, since 1988, and it specifies UTC

18:04:31 nubbins`: also fwiw GMT-12 is not a time zine

18:04:33 nubbins`: *zone

18:04:37 nubbins`: nor is UTC-12

18:04:40 nubbins`: so

18:04:41 nubbins`: shrug

18:04:58 nubbins`: fitting that the auction exists in a time warp

18:05:29 kakobrekla: one is a time zone the other is a standard, they both show same time

18:05:44 kakobrekla: also

18:05:45 kakobrekla: can

18:05:45 kakobrekla: you

18:05:47 kakobrekla: pleaes

18:05:48 kakobrekla: use

18:05:49 kakobrekla: more

18:05:50 kakobrekla: words

18:05:50 nubbins`: ok ok..

18:05:51 kakobrekla: per

18:05:51 kakobrekla: line

18:10:09 kakobrekla: as for missing 200 btc - its still being 'worked on' afaik

18:10:53 jurov: looks like hanbot was assigned to go through the data

18:10:58 kakobrekla: and as for hanbot finding some irrelevant discrepancy - something must found and said to show some work has actually been done

18:13:33 kakobrekla: aaand we are at 86

18:14:13 kakobrekla: anyone wanna make bets if it crosses a hundred

18:15:03 kakobrekla: ah

18:15:16 kakobrekla: looks like that wont be necessary as the game is over.

19:08:56 *: nubbins` golf claps

19:33:41 Apocalyptic: davout: "And btw, including the last block height doesn't really serve

19:34:16 kakobrekla: yes we know

19:34:21 Apocalyptic: any purpose." It really does, at least it gives some context to the signed statement

19:34:43 Apocalyptic: err, sorry for the multiline

19:34:48 PeterL: should include the last block hash, would be more meaningful than just the number

19:35:25 Apocalyptic: suppose there is another auction and someone reposts your signed statement, now what ?

19:35:59 Apocalyptic: at least include some strong context-binding statement, like "BitBet auction something something..."

19:36:07 kakobrekla: it says davouts bitbet auction

19:36:15 kakobrekla: will there be another davouts bitbet auction ?

19:36:33 Apocalyptic: kakobrekla: does it ? i'm referring to http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-first-progress-report#comment-8449

19:36:35 assbot: BitBet receivership first progress report | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1PWXUXW )

19:36:55 Apocalyptic: just signing "I bid 50 BTC" is pure suicide

19:37:17 kakobrekla: ah that

19:37:48 kakobrekla: at least there is a last block height comment attached to it :D

19:38:04 Apocalyptic: heh

19:43:15 PeterL: I suppose auction should have a unique identifier (hash of the auction anouncement?) which people could put into their bids?

19:43:21 jurov: ppl generally don't like to think how to make their statement concrete and unambiguous.

19:43:58 jurov: some are capable of signing "yes, do it"

19:44:03 Apocalyptic: ppl generally don't like to think, what of it ?

19:44:18 PeterL: or, just add date into the signed statement

19:44:29 kakobrekla: "people dont" !!

19:46:47 asciilifeform: jurov: folks who sign 'yes, do it' ought to end up 'shall be delivered' (tm) (r)

21:08:54 mats: don't see why you need a block height attached unless you're implicitly referring to a deedbot hash

22:11:56 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

22:11:58 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 422.5, Best ask: 422.57, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 422.57, 24 hour volume: 6888.28642662, 24 hour low: 417.78, 24 hour high: 423.27, 24 hour vwap: None

22:12:04 thestringpuller: ;;calc 86 * 422

22:12:04 gribble: 36292