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00:00:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.0005566 = 10.0745 BTC [-]

00:01:28 n6: How do I boot without grub?

00:01:40 BingoBoingo: http://harmful.cat-v.org/society/sweden

00:01:41 assbot: The Swedish dream ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdDOfL )

00:01:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.0005728 = 33.7379 BTC [+] {5}

00:04:14 danielpbarron: i ended up using regular grub

00:05:08 n6: What is regular grub?

00:06:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @ 0.00057445 = 58.8524 BTC [+] {4}

00:10:00 danielpbarron: as opposed to grub2

00:10:23 danielpbarron: don't mind me, you should probably just start over

00:11:10 n6: yea seems that way

00:12:45 trinque: n6: rebuild grub

00:12:49 trinque: emerge grub

00:13:09 n6: I did that didn't work starting over right now..

00:13:09 trinque: the flag in make.conf was concerning which of several modules would be built

00:13:12 trinque: alright

00:17:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17170 @ 0.00057513 = 9.875 BTC [+] {2}

00:24:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33295 @ 0.0005566 = 18.532 BTC [-]

00:29:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see also https://web.archive.org/web/20130516060430/http://www.thelocal.se/7305/

00:29:12 assbot: Who pays for Sweden's free lunch? - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdHL48 )

00:29:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00057532 = 26.3497 BTC [+] {3}

00:32:21 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228066 << me ? son of a hitler ? lol just wait until you see what scoopy's bringin in here

00:32:21 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:49:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!

00:32:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228206 << 'grub2' is satanic. use grub or - best of all - lilo

00:32:27 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 23:44:17; n6: I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?

00:34:35 trinque: pete_dushenski: bahahaha

00:34:35 scoopbot_revived: La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/06/la-serenissima-fender-flags-a-modest-proposal/

00:35:18 pete_dushenski: trinque :D

00:35:30 trinque: calling all artists in la serenissima

00:36:30 pete_dushenski: it's hard enough to get people to test therealbitcoin, i'm not holding my breath that anyone will rise to the challenge here

00:37:00 asciilifeform: !up n6

00:37:10 trinque: I will admit to having drooled over the propaganda art of several such now-dead WoTs

00:37:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79440 @ 0.00057611 = 45.7662 BTC [+] {3}

00:37:54 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Replace eagle with Buttcoin miner

00:38:59 asciilifeform: 'But whether the Eagles obey us, Or we go to the Ravens--alone, I'd sooner be Lalage's lover Than sit on an Emperor's throne!'

00:38:59 pete_dushenski: what's that look like again ?

00:39:03 asciilifeform: (tm) (r) (kipling)

00:39:25 asciilifeform: ( http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/rimini.html )

00:39:26 assbot: Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: "Rimini" ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdJsOU )

00:42:00 pete_dushenski: the throne chooses you anyways, not like soldier has a choice in the matter

00:42:11 n6: Now when i'm trying to boot from the usb it gets me to 2nd loading green just has red and yellow dots, and seems to stall

00:42:51 n6: I have made a mess of this gentoo thing.

00:43:10 danielpbarron: slower is faster

00:43:39 BingoBoingo: n6: Maybe choose a different source based distro? http://morpheus.2f30.org/

00:43:40 assbot: Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs )

00:44:37 n6: um, think it has to be gentoo here.

00:45:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nb

00:48:20 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski haha but why the eagle

00:48:31 BingoBoingo: n6: If you want to follow the already trodden path set out by that guide sure? Why not let your freak flag fly?

00:48:32 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i crapped out a 1.25 gig tcpdump :(

00:49:01 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what's next, a five litre blood sample ?

00:49:05 ben_vulpes: *sigh*

00:49:06 n6: Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly?

00:49:07 asciilifeform: a 100kg stool sample ?

00:49:12 ben_vulpes: hey man i shit big

00:49:24 mircea_popescu: shit check that out, alf's quite the poetic library

00:49:37 asciilifeform: lolwat

00:49:58 asciilifeform: is there any english speaker alive who doesn't remember that one

00:50:07 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu to quote two footnotes...

00:50:10 pete_dushenski: "This is clearly meant to be a derogatory term here despite wealth and prominent position being sine qua non for any sort of meaningful cultural perspective and despite the baseless implication that the world can be more accurately described from the worm’s perspective than the eagle’s."

00:50:16 pete_dushenski: "People working with you when you're a benevolent dictator loved and admired by all don't rebel because they like working with you. Not because they can't. They have to be able to, otherwise they're just as much dead weight, a set of paraplegic "sidekicks" in wheelchairs you have to push around. Incredible how distorted the ant's perception of the eagle's dare is"

00:50:23 mircea_popescu: <n6> I have made a mess of this gentoo thing. << dun worry, you;re not the first one

00:50:40 pete_dushenski: eagles on the mind, it seems.

00:50:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00057561 = 21.24 BTC [-] {3}

00:50:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i realized while sitting in car that the awk doesn't handle formation of new files, or removal. will post tweaked version later.

00:50:53 asciilifeform: for now, can use this

00:50:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. all of them.

00:50:57 asciilifeform: format will not change

00:51:01 asciilifeform: ever.

00:51:02 mircea_popescu: i suspect only russian speakers remember english literature now.

00:51:05 asciilifeform: l0l!!

00:51:09 BingoBoingo: <n6> Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly? << Hard to get more basic than Morpheus linux

00:51:48 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu btw that second footnote... is yours.

00:52:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually ~working with~ a linux without any package system whatsoever, is not entirely honestly describable as 'basic'

00:52:04 pete_dushenski: first is mine.

00:52:22 mircea_popescu: how you mean ?

00:52:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux.

00:52:28 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220453 << is this still the case?

00:52:28 assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 05:27:46; asciilifeform: 'dulap' and 'zoolag' now running 80000.

00:52:36 asciilifeform: no

00:52:39 ben_vulpes: mk

00:52:43 asciilifeform: see log.

00:52:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything about 'basic' depends on to which facet of the thing 'basic' is aimed at

00:53:33 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux. << Maybe.

00:53:42 ben_vulpes: hm i can't find the dulap dns record in search.bitcoin-assets.com

00:54:05 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gYvS8L0nDY << kipling's rimini, sung, even

00:54:07 assbot: Leslie Fish-Rimini - Kipling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UrxP8u )

00:54:11 asciilifeform: (pretty famous)

00:54:19 mircea_popescu: "There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess

00:54:22 mircea_popescu: ~Rassah"

00:54:24 mircea_popescu: lol!

00:54:32 ben_vulpes: aha, dulap.b-a.link

00:54:49 mircea_popescu: for the record, lalage may be the worst female name ever.

00:54:54 mircea_popescu: even lola looks better.

00:54:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't a name

00:55:03 mircea_popescu: yes it was ?

00:55:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but meant something like 'loudmouth'

00:55:07 asciilifeform: nickname

00:55:11 mircea_popescu: well sure, in greek

00:55:14 pete_dushenski: !gettrust rassah

00:55:14 assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=rassah | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rassah/

00:55:21 mircea_popescu: by the time the latins got to it... ovid had a poem

00:55:31 mircea_popescu: no nm, horace had a poem, about some chick lalalage.

00:56:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aka nosuchlabs.com

00:57:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i re-saw der untergang today.

00:57:42 mircea_popescu: that film's actually quite good.

00:58:17 asciilifeform: das war ein Befehl!

00:58:28 pete_dushenski: http://www.minichamps.co.it/SIGNATURE/Mercedes_770_K_Pullman_1938.jpg << for anyone wondering what 'fender flags' are, see red pieces here

00:58:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdMbIi )

00:58:44 *: BingoBoingo replaces ferrocerium in firebox

00:59:33 mircea_popescu: i think wiedling is my favourite character in the entire fucking story.

00:59:48 mircea_popescu: that thing when his adjutant saves him from impact and he pats the guy on the shoulder and spits...

00:59:52 mircea_popescu: the definitive scene of war.

01:02:41 pete_dushenski: et... je depart encore une fois. ciao !

01:04:45 BingoBoingo: email http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html

01:04:46 assbot: Mail::RFC822::Address ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdN5oc )

01:05:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00057749 = 14.2063 BTC [+] {3}

01:08:20 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: would be lulzy if it bufferdiddles

01:08:44 BingoBoingo: I am perl illiterate

01:08:58 BingoBoingo: But, would be lulzy indeed

01:10:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228079 << iirc it won't hash binaries

01:10:52 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 22:01:29; mircea_popescu: http://www.paranoiacs.org/~sluskyb/hacks/hashalot/

01:10:57 asciilifeform: only printables!

01:11:01 asciilifeform: on stdin.

01:25:51 mats: association with mp and b-a is difficult enough as it is, plz no nazi logos

01:32:09 BingoBoingo: !up n6

01:35:56 BingoBoingo: n6: For educational purposes only http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/operating-systems/os-suck

01:35:58 assbot: Canonical list of operating systems that suck ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iu7HST )

01:37:31 mircea_popescu: o.O

01:42:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64113 @ 0.00057885 = 37.1118 BTC [+] {3}

01:46:49 BingoBoingo: "I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet. ? Erik Naggum"

01:48:30 trinque: oh yeah? go to the portland django girls meetup and ask them how many of them are programmers

01:48:31 BingoBoingo: Related http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/

01:48:32 assbot: C++ Frequently Questioned Answers ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9fwC1 )

01:49:39 BingoBoingo: trinque: One of these days Imma make my own blog platform. Like wordpress but less shitty. Give it 20 years

01:49:49 trinque: haha

01:50:23 trinque: make it a static site generator and you win

01:50:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00056554 = 12.046 BTC [-]

01:52:14 BingoBoingo: trinque: For that werc seems fine. Almsot entirely static site plus comment form is the challenge

01:52:22 BingoBoingo: And spam filter

01:53:05 trinque: interesting, rc is the plan9 shell right?

01:53:08 trinque: looks so

01:53:15 trinque: how's that thing?

01:55:02 BingoBoingo: I'm not sure rc is jsut the plan9 shell. On Openbsd I see those two letter attached to all kinds of scripts and Openrc is apparently best Gentoo init.

01:56:09 trinque: http://werc.cat-v.org/ << actually looks like it does use the rc shell

01:56:10 assbot: werc - A sane web anti-framework ... ( http://bit.ly/1IubEH5 )

01:56:19 trinque: though yup, you see that around elsewhere too

01:56:25 trinque: "run control" maybe?

01:56:40 trinque: in the case of the init systems

01:56:49 BingoBoingo: Maybe? Also a lot of stuff just works on a lot of shells

01:57:09 trinque: https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/805-7228/6j6q7uepi/index.html << looks like that's a usage of rc

01:57:10 assbot: Run Control Scripts (System Administration Guide, Volume 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IubQWT )

01:58:18 BingoBoingo: I guess plan9 shell could be named rc the same way apache, nginx, and 500 other things are named rc

01:58:24 BingoBoingo: *httpd

01:58:50 trinque: could be it used to have a firm meaning then squished into "uh I dunno man, some shell script like thing"

01:58:53 trinque: happens all the time

01:59:06 BingoBoingo: trinque: Think I found it http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/csh

01:59:07 assbot: Csh Programming Considered Harmful ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iucdk8 )

01:59:54 BingoBoingo: plan9 rc is just plan9 rc

02:15:14 BingoBoingo: The curse set upon us by Bell Labs is wildly different things running as the same names all because on some superficial level the function they try to do is "the same"

02:15:25 BingoBoingo: !up n6

02:15:27 n6: Seems to be failing in the same spot again this time with everything done right.

02:15:46 BingoBoingo: Build something else?

02:16:00 n6: Yes lilo but not sure how to set it up to replace grub in this spot

02:16:16 n6: asciilifeform: could you help me?

02:16:27 asciilifeform: n6: whatcha doing

02:16:53 n6: I need to use lilo in place of grub here http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt

02:16:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IufjEU )

02:17:17 n6: I just emerged it

02:17:21 trinque: n6: mang don't use lilo

02:17:25 trinque: what computer are you on

02:17:37 n6: amd64 desktop

02:17:39 trinque: lilo you're gonna have to run each time you change the kernel or end up unbootable

02:17:43 asciilifeform: n6: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LILO << cookbook

02:17:44 assbot: LILO - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iufxfd )

02:17:44 trinque: n6: what's the snag?

02:17:55 asciilifeform: trinque: and grub you also reconfigure each time you change the kernel

02:17:58 n6: I think its this version of gentoo its the same error as last time this time with all spelling right

02:18:11 trinque: asciilifeform: nah symlink for current kernel

02:18:18 trinque: doesn't lilo need to eat the kernel each time?

02:18:24 asciilifeform: trinque swaps kernels daily ?

02:18:29 trinque: no

02:18:33 trinque: yet fuck having to get a boot disk

02:18:38 asciilifeform: what boot disk

02:18:43 asciilifeform: run from live machine

02:18:56 trinque: the fail mode of lilo is worse than the fail mode of grub

02:19:08 asciilifeform: why should it fail

02:19:39 asciilifeform: grub2 is an atrocity

02:19:45 asciilifeform: what, 5x the size of therealbitcoin ?

02:19:47 trinque: what's wrong with grub 0.9.whatever

02:19:51 asciilifeform: with own vga drivers, even

02:19:55 trinque: sure sure

02:19:56 asciilifeform: and miniature 32-bit os

02:20:00 asciilifeform: and font renderer

02:20:02 trinque: no argument here

02:20:04 asciilifeform: FUCKING TRUETYPE

02:20:07 asciilifeform: diediedie

02:20:13 decimation: grub struck me as being about 50x more complex than it needed to be

02:20:22 asciilifeform: decimation: try grub2 !

02:20:22 trinque: asciilifeform: ah derp I forgot the guide uses grub2

02:20:30 decimation: yeah, even worse

02:21:03 asciilifeform: a true victory of who mircea_popescu called 'UXers' if ever there was one.

02:21:10 BingoBoingo: http://git.suckless.org/sinit

02:21:11 assbot: sinit - suckless init ... ( http://bit.ly/1IugfZZ )

02:21:45 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this has docs somewhere ?

02:21:47 BingoBoingo: Doesn grub even fit onto a boot sector

02:21:49 asciilifeform: or is one expected to read the code

02:22:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what do you think

02:23:18 BingoBoingo: http://core.suckless.org/sinit and just maybe on deviant storage devices?

02:23:19 assbot: sinit - suckless init | suckless.org core - userspace foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1IugO5W )

02:24:12 BingoBoingo: Also https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU5NTI

02:24:13 assbot: Another Init System: Sinit - The Suckless Init System - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iuh4lo )

02:24:27 BingoBoingo: This init system is indeed very simple: "sinit exposes a set of operations via a FIFO. Normally this FIFO resides at '/var/run/sinit.fifo'. There are two commands currently supported, 'reboot' and 'poweroff'."

02:26:06 n6: asciilifeform: Still don't understand, lots of the stuff in this conf I don't know, yet

02:26:17 asciilifeform: gotta start somewhere

02:26:41 n6: Feel like it might really hurt to fail another time.

02:26:54 asciilifeform: take a break

02:26:59 asciilifeform: not everyone has to do everything.

02:27:04 trinque: failure is also good for you

02:27:11 trinque: and is unavoidable when dealing with computers

02:28:50 n6: asciilifeform: How do I even find out what kernel i'm running to put into the config?

02:29:13 asciilifeform: ls -l /boot

02:29:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91650 @ 0.00057904 = 53.069 BTC [+] {3}

02:29:22 asciilifeform: (may have to mount /boot first

02:29:23 asciilifeform: )

02:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00056894 = 32.202 BTC [-] {2}

02:40:57 n6: All i get for ls -l /boot is drwx------ 2 root root 12288 Aug 6 18:32 lost+found

02:41:09 n6: maybe its not mounted.

02:42:32 n6: telling me "/dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/gentoo/boot" but see nothing but lost+found

02:44:41 n6: Oh i must genkernel all first sorry.

02:45:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 249622 @ 0.00058141 = 145.1327 BTC [+] {9}

02:47:47 BingoBoingo: !up n6

02:50:09 BingoBoingo: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/xml_ascent.png

02:50:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy0HY7 )

02:50:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33123 @ 0.00056531 = 18.7248 BTC [-] {3}

02:54:09 BingoBoingo: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/s-exp_vs_XML

02:54:10 assbot: S-exp vs XML, by Erik Naggum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy1dp3 )

02:59:26 BingoBoingo: Also apparently WaPo wants the person who killed HP to kill USia http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/06/carly_fiorina_the_former_hewlett_packard_ceo_won_the_kids_table_debate.html

02:59:27 assbot: Carly Fiorina: The former Hewlett Packard CEO won the kids' table debate. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdDk6s )

03:01:40 BingoBoingo: USia is fucked... Ted Cruz: "Let me contrast President Obama, who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist. He said well gosh the crusades, the inquisitions ... We need a president that shows the courage that Egypt?s President al-Sissi did?a Muslim?when he called out the radical Islamic terrorists who are threatening the world."

03:04:01 BingoBoingo: Now USia isn't fucked because a candidate for executive and sitting senator said that. It is fucked because of all US lab states abroad Egypt seems the most appropriate to appeal to the crowds?

03:06:15 BingoBoingo: Trump just might end up the Grand Ole Party's nominee.

03:07:00 decimation: I'm pretty sure he's working for clitler

03:07:43 BingoBoingo: decimation: He is now, but if he gets the nomination...

03:07:54 BingoBoingo: Clitler might surrender to combover

03:08:03 decimation: lol

03:09:06 BingoBoingo: Now I might be drunk, but it seems like the "news" business wants a Carly v. Trump GOP primary

03:10:28 *: BingoBoingo pretty sure on the off chance he got the nomination Graham would come out of the closet to steal Clitler votes

03:10:31 decimation: they want whoever will be the best circus clown for the democrats to hate upon

03:11:20 BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Generally they hope a democrat wins, but this is where they news channels make their money for the next four years.

03:11:31 BingoBoingo: They want drama(period)

03:14:01 n6: Getting End kernal panic not a syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on known-blog check

03:14:12 n6: asciilifeform: sorry to keep bugging you but any ideas?

03:14:39 *: asciilifeform is reading Лизюков А.И. Что надо знать воину Красной Армии о боевых приемах немцев. -М.: Воениздат НКО СССР, 1942 -- and soon to bed

03:14:47 BingoBoingo: Clitler v. Combover would be a battle of $140mil+graft vs. $980mil+differentgraft

03:15:46 BingoBoingo: n6: Practice on different *nic first. Install OpenBSD upgrade to stable. May have to patch bitcoind, but learn building from source in very documented way.

03:15:54 decimation: I don't get the lefty case for clitler

03:16:50 BingoBoingo: There isn't one.

03:17:15 BingoBoingo: A true SJW would want Bernie Sanders to go "Jenner"

03:17:25 decimation: yeah, that I get

03:17:48 decimation: but clitler would immediately sell out to the highest bidder, doesn't even really pretend otherwise

03:17:52 *: BingoBoingo expects "Jenner" to get verb'd soon

03:18:03 BingoBoingo: decimation: But that marketing.

03:18:41 BingoBoingo: !up n6

03:19:42 BingoBoingo: "kinder" Gawker Media on the day of first GOP debate https://archive.is/Qho1W

03:19:44 assbot: Someone Actually Played Through All of Fallout 3 As A Baby ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdEDCf )

03:21:03 n6: seems LILO is not stopping me from botting from USB

03:21:12 n6: Has to be gentoo sadly

03:21:32 *: BingoBoingo did not know would have been news. Already did that. If knew was news would have blogged it for the traffic.

03:24:04 BingoBoingo: Guess Gawker Media's special guest for their debate live blawg (hint: it was Obummer's lapdog Glenn Greenwald, citizen$maxint)

03:25:10 decimation: greenwald is a 'frenemy' of the democrats

03:25:23 decimation: I'm sure he enrages the bureaucrats that nominally work for obama

03:25:37 decimation: but he can't be disrespected without costing popular vote

03:26:12 BingoBoingo: I'm just amazed Omidyar cultured such true believers that his core would leave him to volunteer for Nick Denton

03:26:56 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/

03:26:57 assbot: Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUts4e )

03:28:12 *: BingoBoingo amazed Caity Weaver had the integrity to leave Gawker and Gawker lacked the fortitude to drop Sam Biddle

03:28:58 BingoBoingo: "am Biddle

03:28:58 BingoBoingo: 9:54 PM

03:28:58 BingoBoingo: Glenn if I see you tweeting any more good jokes instead of putting them here you will forfeit the iTunes gift card you were promised for this liveblog appearance"

03:29:16 BingoBoingo: ^ Incredilol

03:32:30 BingoBoingo: I actually though am not inclined to blame Trump for his current place in USian electoral politics. Sometimes my nonegenarian Grandpa wants the yard cut short Friday so it looks good over the weekend. Other weeks, he tries to talk me into tilling the yard because the $10 of wheat he might grow in a year would be one appointment's copay at the audiologist.

03:34:39 BingoBoingo: The democratic primary debates will surely be a bigger farce though, mostly because to my knowledge none have been scheduled

03:36:51 BingoBoingo: Butt between Pareene and Greenwald abandoning Omidyar's pet for Gawker we must be able to imply where CIA favors.

03:39:03 BingoBoingo: DNS is fucked. Apparently the following link works for some mongoloids http://gawker.com|gawker.com/

03:50:04 BingoBoingo: !up n6

03:50:25 n6: Hoping 3rd time is the charm

03:50:34 n6: might try openBSD after this..

03:52:57 BingoBoingo: n6: If open BSD best learning opportunity is installing "release" and then building "stable"

03:53:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00058434 = 25.6817 BTC [+] {5}

03:55:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @ 0.00058517 = 26.1571 BTC [+]

03:57:05 asciilifeform: http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/12/120_56715.html << vintage lulz

03:57:07 assbot: Japan Tested Atomic Bomb in NK Before End of WWII? ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6m7bQ )

04:01:14 decimation: I thought it actually was the case that japan was close to the bomb

04:02:43 decimation: http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-japan-bomb-20150805-story.html < almost completed enrichment centrifuge

04:02:45 assbot: New evidence of Japan&apos;s effort to build atom bomb at the end of WWII - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUAFRg )

04:02:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00058517 = 28.6733 BTC [+]

04:03:00 decimation: so that would be a ways away, but still on track

04:04:42 decimation: "On May 19, 1945, a Nazi submarine was captured and discovered to be delivering 1,200 pounds of uranium oxide to the Japanese military. "

04:05:02 BingoBoingo: Japan was probably closer than Germany

04:05:16 decimation: yes, that's my understanding too

04:05:22 decimation: they had a separate army research program

04:14:30 BingoBoingo: !up phf_mobile

04:14:36 phf_mobile: thanks

04:16:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61141 @ 0.00057319 = 35.0454 BTC [-]

04:16:24 BingoBoingo: Remember, in the future camels made detroit broke

04:17:52 phf_mobile: n6: ben_vulpes: still having an issue getting "bitcoin/src/serialize.h:963:10: error: class member cannot be redeclared" even with your callgraph.sh, what am I missing? << you have to comment out either one of the versions of void insert function, it's either one at 963 or 951. they are identical, but i'm sure they are there for some legacy type signature reasons

04:19:04 n6: Thanks I will look at that after my 3rd gentoo install attempt

04:23:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10556 @ 0.00057319 = 6.0506 BTC [-]

04:23:22 phf_mobile: i have a mac os x patch, but as i recall that's the only change required, and since i don't understand the implications, i didn't post it. it works when building with clang, but needs investigation why duplicate function to begin with

04:30:15 BingoBoingo: "Me Kind Arab" - Why did I not watch Mad Max earlier

04:33:47 BingoBoingo: "Thunderdome"

04:36:01 BingoBoingo: "We want Thunderdome"

04:38:37 BingoBoingo: "dying time's here"

04:52:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00058243 = 2.3297 BTC [+]

05:01:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55964 @ 0.00057319 = 32.078 BTC [-] {3}

05:02:06 mircea_popescu: lol django girls meetup.

05:02:26 mircea_popescu: i suppose the equivalent would be going to pre-childbearing classes and asking them how many are goddesses.

05:03:40 trinque: haha

05:03:45 mircea_popescu: <trinque> n6: mang don't use lilo << you know he just got advised to run lilo few hours back right here in our very own b-a.

05:04:02 mircea_popescu: we fucking need that holy distro already, stop frustrating innocent people's legitimate attempts.

05:04:02 mats: http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/naval/ships/2015/08/04/australia-build-new-naval-fleet-65b-package/31107267/

05:04:04 assbot: Australia To Build New Naval Fleet in $65B Package ... ( http://bit.ly/1IMf7A6 )

05:04:10 trinque: thought poor mod6 was trying to standardize a process

05:04:31 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> we fucking need that holy distro already, stop frustrating innocent people's legitimate attempts. << Suckless hasn't finished sta.li yet

05:04:36 trinque: he had asked for the gentoo guide.

05:04:48 mircea_popescu: so he had.

05:04:59 mircea_popescu: so far his experience sounds a lot like mine.

05:06:04 trinque: yeah, it's certainly not great

05:06:07 mircea_popescu: !up n6

05:06:11 n6: I'm still running into the same error here "grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory."

05:06:13 BingoBoingo: So far it seems learnign curve for building whole OS is XBSD, Buildroot, Gentoo

05:06:44 BingoBoingo: Also what is up with Mel Gibson and half nekkid children

05:06:59 mircea_popescu: n6 well do you have that .sh anywhere ?

05:07:20 n6: the callgraph one?

05:07:57 n6: oh Im not even sure what your asking here.

05:08:21 trinque: n6: my bad if I was demotivating you; I thought sticking to the guide strictly was the best way through

05:08:27 mircea_popescu: modinfo.sh

05:09:06 n6: mircea_popescu: How can I find out?

05:09:12 mircea_popescu: does it exist and so you got a path problem, or does it not exist so you got a failed to build problem

05:09:24 mircea_popescu: well i dunno, but in worst case find / -iname modinfo.sh ?

05:09:33 n6: trinque: this guide went much better then yesterday with aws

05:09:50 mircea_popescu: "did it work ?" "oh, no, but it failed more pleasantly"

05:10:02 trinque: it is a trail of tears

05:10:15 *: BingoBoingo imagines if president trump is that fraudsters.com will complain more about the president being a nigger

05:10:46 n6: I found it.. thanks for the help.

05:11:40 mircea_popescu: ok, so did you find it in /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/ ?

05:11:59 n6: no but I couldn't get efi to build.

05:12:03 n6: only works with PC

05:12:05 n6: pc*

05:12:06 mircea_popescu: that's your problem thenm

05:12:11 mircea_popescu: no efi built no sh

05:12:30 n6: How do I build efi?

05:12:30 mircea_popescu: hey, you wouldn't be trying to build a 64 bit thing on a 32 bit machine would you ?

05:12:40 n6: only the first 3 times.

05:13:40 n6: What do I need to change to get it work?

05:13:57 trinque: n6: that var referencing grub

05:13:59 trinque: lemme see

05:14:22 trinque: well did you go with lilo? because that would then be elilo

05:14:37 n6: no i'm going to stick with the guide and do grub

05:14:49 trinque: mircea_popescu: this is where it's sorta hard to mask the essential complexity if the thing without making decisions for people

05:15:01 trinque: either I tell the guy set compatibility mode in the bios or I say get another boot loader

05:15:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo srsly, an itunes gift card ?

05:15:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24976 @ 0.00056825 = 14.1926 BTC [-] {2}

05:15:07 hanbot: ;;later tell mod6 auto.sh successfully installed v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (boost downloaded automagically this run). will put together a recounting of steps and all, and move on to patching my way to stator.

05:15:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

05:15:24 mircea_popescu: i should start a liveblabla gift free blowjobs.

05:15:29 mircea_popescu: gotta be better than ishit.

05:15:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "laundering" for sure. I mean private digital currency.

05:16:15 mircea_popescu: lol

05:16:46 trinque: n6: if going down the efi route, you will have to take instruction from https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2#UEFI_with_GPT

05:16:48 assbot: GRUB2 - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPZRas )

05:16:50 n6: what bootload will get this working right now and not lead to a 4th install

05:17:02 trinque: n6: switching to "CSM" mode in the efi settings

05:17:10 n6: how?

05:17:32 trinque: there's some key when you first boot up to get into the settings, enter on mine

05:17:36 mircea_popescu: mats the south china sea is a headache innit now.

05:19:10 n6: so my options are a 4th install with a bios setting or a 4th install?

05:19:11 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You mean SCC isn an init?

05:19:47 mircea_popescu: hm ?

05:20:03 mats: mircea_popescu: and USG is powerless to project power.

05:20:17 mircea_popescu: it's waning, that's for sure.

05:20:18 BingoBoingo: South China Sea. It's been reduced to an init system.

05:20:36 mats: carrier groups are formidable, sure, but DoD is well aware of their vulnerability

05:20:42 mircea_popescu: no idea why the aussies are trying to go after the proved-to-fail system (ships) instead of outright copying the chiense (missile batteries) but hey.

05:20:50 mircea_popescu: "jubs in teh sector" or some bs

05:20:55 mats: a few well placed ATGMs, and everyone goes home

05:21:13 mircea_popescu: moreover : china has proved its ability to build 1k powerplants/year

05:21:31 BingoBoingo: South China Seas is roughly equivalent right now to linking war.o

05:21:40 mircea_popescu: it can churn out 100k of the damned things. there's no defending against missiles if "missiles" means, six digit moving items

05:22:15 mircea_popescu: aegis can't even track that many, because "nobody could have foreseen how useless this shit is"

05:26:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82400 @ 0.00058427 = 48.1438 BTC [+] {6}

05:29:25 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> aegis can't even track that many, because "nobody could have foreseen how useless this shit is" << I honestly have no idea what the limit is becasue seekrits.

05:30:35 n6: trinque: I still cant get modinfo.sh in an efi folder after changing grub_platforms file and emerge grub again

05:30:39 mircea_popescu: practically speaking, even a dozen requires a veteran crew.

05:31:08 mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/cbe3d27397c539e03f18d110f71c6347/tumblr_nldrmedQ7f1rwaupfo1_r1_500.gif

05:31:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IMh7bn )

05:32:57 trinque: n6: the guide you followed did not account at all for EFI

05:33:14 trinque: in the EFI case there's even another partition you must have

05:33:56 trinque: the CSM thing I suggested is a way of setting EFI computers into a compatibility mode that behaves like BIOS

05:34:26 n6: trinque: what will it take for me to not have to make a 4th install here. I read your links still don't understand, last time I went without this step it ended poorly.

05:35:17 trinque: you don't have to trash the whole thing; merely reboot, set CSM, boot the livecd, mount, and chroot again

05:35:38 trinque: but first you must figure out where you changed the system to support EFI and change it back

05:36:05 n6: so the grub_platform? or you mean another place?

05:36:41 trinque: GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc"

05:36:53 trinque: sorry wrong one, one sec

05:37:01 trinque: nvm, I am right

05:37:16 trinque: this is in /etc/portage/make.conf

05:37:19 BingoBoingo: n6: Given a choice at all BIOS is prolly less horribru

05:38:01 trinque: these vars are confusing, because they are split, making them appear to be separate categories

05:38:17 trinque: most actually just enable some USE flags

05:38:22 trinque: maybe prefixed with something

05:38:23 BingoBoingo: !up n6

05:38:28 n6: I changed it back to "pc" but mircea_popescu said that was, 32 bits I have 64?

05:38:39 n6: so I do this 32 bits then edit the bios?

05:38:39 trinque: those were separate concerns

05:38:42 trinque: no

05:38:47 trinque: guide is for 64bit

05:38:48 mircea_popescu: separate concerns.

05:38:53 trinque: if you have a 64bit computer, cool

05:39:03 trinque: change that var then:

05:39:09 trinque: emerge -avDN @world

05:39:24 trinque: ask, verbose, deep, new-use

05:39:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00057911 = 20.7321 BTC [-]

05:39:34 trinque: man emerge for more detail

05:42:35 BingoBoingo: Neither enough nor sufficient concerns

05:42:50 trinque: n6: so do you get what we did there?

05:43:25 trinque: changed a setting in portage then told emerge to re-evaluate the currenty set list of desired packages (world) according to them

05:43:28 trinque: *currently

05:43:31 n6: No, trying to work out where I go next, lost my place in the guide now

05:45:03 n6: I still only have /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh

05:45:35 trinque: what's the matter with that? you're going to set CSM

05:46:08 trinque: you have no need for EFI; I wouldn't bother

05:47:47 trinque: n6: try this:

05:47:53 trinque: grub2-install --target i386-pc

05:48:00 n6: ok

05:48:09 n6: tells me grub2-install: error: install device isn't specified.

05:48:22 trinque: what's your hard drive, sda?

05:48:44 n6: I don't know

05:49:00 trinque: n6: remember the partitioning step?

05:49:16 trinque: try ls /dev/sda

05:49:19 n6: No I bought it built

05:49:31 n6: bash: /dev/sda: Permission denied

05:49:36 n6: oh i am sda

05:49:51 trinque: ok. grub2-install /dev/sda

05:50:01 trinque: and if that doesn't work, try with the target flag in there too

05:50:58 trinque: which if it isn't what I put, it's "pc"

05:51:15 trinque: one of the major sources of pain in setting up linux this way is having different things which sound almost the same

05:51:27 trinque: how does grub refer to the system architecture? how does ....

05:52:03 n6: rub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. is what im getting.

05:52:25 n6: wait i might have --target in the wrong place

05:52:37 trinque: somehow you got it to double up the path bizarrely

05:53:51 n6: Um, I'm in way over my head and going on 17 hours of gentoo

05:54:11 n6: and I still yet to get anything work.

05:54:36 trinque: mircea_popescu: perhaps this calls for a video.

05:54:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00058526 = 31.604 BTC [+] {3}

05:55:15 trinque: or one of those terminal recording utils

05:55:30 trinque: n6: sounds like you've been hamstrung between efi and CSM (fake bios)

05:55:57 n6: Do they come with backdoors also?

05:55:58 trinque: your grub may have all kinds of knobs twiddled depending on what you did to try efi

05:56:06 trinque: does what come with back doors?

05:56:13 n6: my fake bios

05:56:47 trinque: your everything has back doors

05:56:57 trinque: or who knows; I don't have evidence

05:57:05 trinque: but this decision wont help you in either case

05:57:55 trinque: because in both cases it'd be because of a flaw, and neither you nor I know of the particular flaws in your firmware

05:58:04 n6: I think only edited the grub_platform file to try efi

05:58:30 trinque: the other place you might've would've been /etc/defaults/grub

05:58:40 trinque: rather, default

05:58:55 trinque: but that appears to pertain to the generation of grub's config, not its installation

05:59:00 n6: ls: cannot access /etc/defaults/grub: No such file or directory

05:59:16 trinque: yeah, I was wrong about the plural

05:59:53 n6: I don't have anything in this folder

06:00:37 trinque: so put your whole contents of your terminal after running grub2-install on dpaste.com

06:00:57 n6: How?

06:01:12 n6: er

06:01:30 n6: http://dpaste.com/32BGXMC

06:01:31 assbot: dpaste: 32BGXMC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa0DiP )

06:02:36 trinque: n6: did you run that emerge command?

06:02:43 trinque: it's still asking for efi things

06:03:04 n6: I think so let me try again what was it?

06:03:11 BingoBoingo: Err- Insufficient Blood for Blood God

06:03:19 trinque: lol

06:03:51 trinque: cat /dev/suffering > /dev/null

06:04:06 trinque: n6: emerge -avDN @world

06:04:21 trinque: and take note of what changes it wants to make before saying yes

06:04:40 n6: Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 KiB

06:05:04 trinque: ok so on my end I'm on efi

06:05:09 trinque: if I add pc to grub platforms

06:05:14 BingoBoingo: <trinque> cat /dev/suffering > /dev/null ;;err suffering can not be null

06:05:43 trinque: but it can happen in a cruel, uncaring void

06:05:47 trinque: such as gentoo

06:05:54 n6: trinque: i'm on pc

06:06:06 trinque: yes, yet grub2-install wants efi stuff

06:06:19 n6: who made this?

06:06:19 trinque: we are trying to discover why

06:06:26 trinque: a horrible economic process.

06:06:39 n6: what about funtoo?

06:06:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63751 @ 0.0005855 = 37.3262 BTC [+] {3}

06:06:58 trinque: same difference, just gentoo plus some other guy's opinions, but not easier

06:07:21 trinque: he's the original guy iirc but the difference between the distros is not much

06:08:04 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: cascadianhacker.com/367850.pcap

06:08:48 trinque: n6: http://dpaste.com/0TJDC97.txt

06:08:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa1ccg )

06:09:00 trinque: so that's what mine looks like when adding pc

06:09:02 trinque: !up n6

06:09:06 trinque: so you are already on it

06:09:20 ben_vulpes: aha i showed up in the middle of a gentoo quest i see

06:09:21 trinque: so we at least now rule out that the wrong variant of the package is installed.

06:09:28 trinque: ben_vulpes: I've got my winch

06:10:09 trinque: n6: try this

06:10:17 trinque: grub2-install --target=pc /dev/sda

06:10:30 n6: grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/pc/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or

06:10:38 n6: wait

06:10:45 trinque: n6: dpaste ls /usr/lib/grub/*

06:11:31 n6: http://dpaste.com/1ZEAZ7X

06:11:33 assbot: dpaste: 1ZEAZ7X ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa1kJ5 )

06:12:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63623 @ 0.00058305 = 37.0954 BTC [-]

06:12:03 ben_vulpes: trinque: but do you have a v8 and the electrical system to drive the thing

06:12:22 trinque: just a bad starter on this one

06:12:31 trinque: dropped in installation maybe

06:12:36 ben_vulpes: ksh-sh-sh-sh-sh-shewm

06:12:42 ben_vulpes: ksh-sh-sh-sh-sh-shewm

06:13:12 trinque: n6: i386-pc

06:13:25 n6: trinque: yea?

06:13:30 trinque: I think last time you put the whole path?

06:13:34 trinque: try just that

06:14:06 n6: um, I'm lost again.

06:14:16 trinque: grub2-install --target i386-pc /dev/sda

06:14:39 n6: seems to have worked.

06:14:43 trinque: by god

06:14:47 trinque: n6: cool!

06:14:49 trinque: and well done

06:14:58 n6: I still have to flip the bios

06:15:02 trinque: yep

06:15:03 BingoBoingo: <trinque> same difference, just gentoo plus some other guy's opinions, but not easier << funtoo is actually gentoo with only OG dev's opinions

06:15:06 ben_vulpes: does the character now have a spaceship?

06:15:12 n6: do I need grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?

06:15:19 trinque: n6: yup, finish up the guide

06:15:35 trinque: built the kernel?

06:15:35 ben_vulpes: <trinque> oh yeah? go to the portland django girls << you've actually done this?!

06:15:45 trinque: shit no, I just know some derps

06:15:49 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You ever interview peeps for a customer service job before?

06:16:07 ben_vulpes: in the sense that everything the shop does is customer service...

06:16:10 ben_vulpes: reacharounds

06:16:14 ben_vulpes: half and halfs

06:16:16 trinque: BingoBoingo: yeah just didn't want to diverge him from the guide again

06:16:28 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Sing me songs of of success

06:16:29 n6: trinque: doing that now brb.

06:16:36 trinque: mircea_popescu: mod6: this leads me to believe that the default for grub has changed

06:16:41 ben_vulpes: gentle mumblings while i slide the 14-incher in

06:16:48 BingoBoingo: Grub, Grub always changes

06:17:08 ben_vulpes: iono bb i ask questions i don't answer them

06:17:17 trinque: yup, so if the recommendation switches to lilo, someone will have to verify that it works with that CSM mode

06:17:23 trinque: as elilo development has apparently died

06:17:44 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Assume your skull was rendered the consistency of rice pudding with a tack hammer, what would you immagine looking for in customer service folk?

06:18:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24782 @ 0.0005857 = 14.5148 BTC [+]

06:18:19 ben_vulpes: ...

06:18:20 BingoBoingo: <trinque> yup, so if the recommendation switches to lilo, someone will have to verify that it works with that CSM mode << More likely switch to bootstrap

06:19:02 trinque: BingoBoingo: link?

06:19:19 trinque: but that's a good example of a decision a n00b doesn't need to know exists

06:19:26 BingoBoingo: make kernel.c, make install, make clean???

06:19:44 trinque: I missed what you're talking about is all

06:19:53 trinque: there's a bootloader called bootstrap?

06:20:09 BingoBoingo: trinque: Ah bootstrap is the whole linux alf recommends

06:20:10 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'm not a derpy bureaucrat, i eat derpy bureaucrats for lunch

06:20:29 trinque: BingoBoingo: oh right, and in fact I pondered that too

06:20:37 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Any insight into what they like. I'm asking for the cause of bleeding some fiat off of Illinois.

06:21:01 ben_vulpes: go in, be humble, pretend to be magnificently stupid and rule-followy while still somewhat savvy

06:21:08 ben_vulpes: "yes massa", in another age

06:21:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.000587 = 46.96 BTC [+] {2}

06:21:18 BingoBoingo: trinque: But for a build your first *nix Upgrading OpenBSd to -stable seems best documented

06:21:19 trinque: BingoBoingo: buildroot you meant, right?

06:21:30 BingoBoingo: Is that what it's called

06:22:19 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> "yes massa", in another age << How many weeks do you think I can pull off black face for that affirmative action. I think I might be able to do the six months it takes for Da Union to kick in, but...

06:22:43 trinque: I think what happened here is that grub may have switched the default target

06:22:58 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: notrly my problem

06:23:31 trinque: if this is the case, the guide could specify known good versions of the components installed

06:23:41 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Just seeking you insight as an upstanding 'Murican employer

06:23:43 trinque: this causes a problem in the opposite direction when versions disappear from gentoo

06:24:05 ben_vulpes: <n6> might try openBSD after this.. << openbsd, an os that doesn't take much fucking with where bitcoin might actually build with vs gentoo where its known to build but the os cannot be built by mortals.

06:24:07 ben_vulpes: what a conundrum.

06:24:14 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: upstanding?!

06:24:14 BingoBoingo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ7mhLp0abU

06:24:15 assbot: homicide da union - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa29kS )

06:24:18 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: me?!

06:24:28 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Aren't you?

06:24:38 ben_vulpes: by whose metrics?

06:24:42 trinque: I seent him standing up once

06:24:47 trinque: twice even

06:24:56 trinque: n6: how goes?

06:24:57 ben_vulpes: trinque: you've only ever seen me halfway keeled over under a boozeload

06:25:01 trinque: wahaha

06:25:02 n6: still waiting...

06:25:06 BingoBoingo: That's a good question

06:25:31 *: ben_vulpes off to sing at the wee gestational bairn

06:26:16 trinque: is this problem solved by someone just signing a disk image and being done with it?

06:26:23 trinque: mircea_popescu: ^

06:26:27 BingoBoingo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJgu7nGzBRM

06:26:28 assbot: FLAGS DA UNION - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa2ggz )

06:26:35 trinque: boot livecd, use dd, reboot

06:26:57 BingoBoingo: trinque: No, because filesystems need drivers

06:27:15 trinque: BingoBoingo: sure, just ship a kernel with all modules built and an initrd

06:27:22 trinque: livecd does the same

06:27:37 trinque: as do the ubuntus and debians

06:28:32 trinque: I also already have tooling that shits out these disk images.

06:29:02 trinque: sounds like syslinux with dd on it and the thing could even be a script that says hi, which drive do you want me to obliterate?

06:29:19 trinque: you hit a number, dd runs and it reboots

06:29:21 trinque: easy

06:32:14 BingoBoingo: FUCK COYOTES

06:32:45 n6: I still need grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?

06:32:58 trinque: n6: yeah do everything the guide says

06:33:11 trinque: that one makes the grub config file

06:33:35 BingoBoingo: I go outside to piss on the runty rose bush to give it much needed nitrogen and coyote darts out from behind my own motorcarriage an nips me on the shin.

06:33:50 BingoBoingo: Now I gotta dig a hole.

06:33:50 n6: wish my luck going to flip the bios

06:34:32 BingoBoingo: Fucking wild dogs that think they are small dogs ruining my chill weekday drinking night.

06:34:41 trinque: fuck that

06:35:11 n6: works,

06:35:21 trinque: n6: hey good job

06:35:49 trinque: you've got a computer that's quite useful for development now

06:38:12 BingoBoingo: *All lines tonight were "acting" per http://fraudsters.com/the-crime-of-being-american * Fuck it. Into the ditch with this bitch I'll deal with it in the morning

06:38:14 assbot: The crime of being American on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa319h )

06:39:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.00058706 = 21.1048 BTC [+] {2}

06:39:32 trinque: !up n6

06:39:41 n6: but im so beat down

06:40:09 n6: How would someone get gentoo installed without this level of support?

06:40:24 BingoBoingo: Whips?

06:40:37 trinque: I think the lesson here is that at least with current materials, they can't

06:40:52 trinque: I'm thinking a screen recording of the whole process would be helpful

06:41:39 punkman: n6, I usually give up long before

06:42:03 BingoBoingo: Nao hospitals have cranes for FUPA https://slimgur.com/image/AM7

06:42:05 assbot: Screenshot 2015 07 26 19 36 38 - SLiMGUR ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa3fNL )

06:43:03 trinque: I think it took me days to install gentoo the first time

06:43:11 trinque: 17hrs isn't an awful score

06:43:39 trinque: "put together this car engine"

06:43:49 BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/07/70f31e0a53765ba8ee7b4e198427d368.jpg

06:43:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa3pob )

06:44:17 trinque: haha

06:44:46 BingoBoingo: Shit /= Chocolate

06:44:50 trinque: BingoBoingo: I depressed the shit out of myself listening to a Trump speech earlier

06:45:08 BingoBoingo: trinque: WHy do you think I drink?

06:45:10 trinque: idiots are going to eat up his pandering tough guy act

06:45:16 trinque: I see him as viable

06:45:38 trinque: look what the real estate bubble farted up

06:46:26 BingoBoingo: He's no more viable than the coyote I may or may not have kicked int he face in this past hour for the same reasons. He neck isn't strong. One swift kick to the neck and his head is in the wrong place.

06:46:47 trinque: I don't think for a moment that anyone outside the US will buy his act

06:46:57 trinque: he makes us look really weak

06:47:24 BingoBoingo: He looks really weak.

06:47:42 BingoBoingo: If he skips his aspirin he could clot out.

06:49:01 BingoBoingo: But as I said earlier media is proposing a Trump vs. Killed HP contest

07:01:27 punkman: https://web.archive.org/web/20130516060430/http://www.thelocal.se/7305/ << got a buddy that's getting ready to move to Sweden, utterly convinced their shit doesn't stink, "advanced society", etc.

07:01:29 assbot: Who pays for Sweden's free lunch? - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdHL48 )

07:02:42 BingoBoingo: "Nordic System" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LVl7ypltWU

07:02:42 assbot: World's Heaviest Woman Attempts To Lose Weight To Wed - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pa4GM6 )

07:03:45 trinque: mod6: since grub is slow moving, might want to peg the guide to the current release with emerge =sys-boot/grub-2.02_beta2-r7 (or earlier) and use http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-08-2015#1228767

07:03:45 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:14:16; trinque: grub2-install --target i386-pc /dev/sda

07:07:03 BingoBoingo: "Nordic System" https://slimgur.com/images/2015/06/22/686ebb483d98518be5e0e15cdd6a760f.jpg

07:07:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmLtvg )

07:07:54 trinque: mod6: might also benefit from mentioning CSM on newer computers

07:07:56 punkman: and an anecdote from Belgium. Greek woman's parents, mined/shoveled coal. Greek woman was maid in hotel, a little later worked the hotel bar. She gets pregnant, goes on leave. When leave is over, manager helpfully fires her so he can spend time with kid and claim unemployment benefits.

07:10:44 punkman: Later, gets job offer through unemployment office. Manager asks if she has kids, oh you do? and you like them? naturally I won't hire you, so you can keep collecting unemployment. Next job, didn't look so great, she complains asks for different one. As the years pass, fewer job offers to fend off.

07:10:54 punkman: Old woman, still on unemployment now.

07:12:05 mats: genius.

07:21:54 punkman: Oldest son works the Big Four mines. Not rich, but paying off the loans for a couple apartment buildings.

07:22:47 punkman: I'm guessing the cycle will be complete next generation.

07:30:29 trinque: !up n6

07:35:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27090 @ 0.00058654 = 15.8894 BTC [-] {2}

07:36:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28372 @ 0.00058305 = 16.5423 BTC [-]

07:48:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18254 @ 0.00058305 = 10.643 BTC [-]

07:50:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147469 @ 0.00058155 = 85.7606 BTC [-] {3}

07:55:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164584 @ 0.00056136 = 92.3909 BTC [-] {5}

08:07:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00058716 = 22.8112 BTC [+] {2}

08:14:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00058717 = 23.1932 BTC [+]

08:31:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68887 @ 0.00057102 = 39.3359 BTC [-] {3}

08:33:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18706 @ 0.00058717 = 10.9836 BTC [+]

09:00:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00056078 = 13.5148 BTC [-]

09:07:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5071 @ 0.00056047 = 2.8421 BTC [-] {3}

09:13:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00058306 = 18.4538 BTC [+]

09:29:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00057839 = 17.6987 BTC [-]

09:36:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142292 @ 0.00057057 = 81.1875 BTC [-] {3}

09:50:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00058306 = 63.0579 BTC [+]

09:57:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23947 @ 0.00058306 = 13.9625 BTC [+]

10:02:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00058306 = 37.1409 BTC [+] {3}

10:18:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126860 @ 0.00058252 = 73.8985 BTC [-] {8}

10:19:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96143 @ 0.00056046 = 53.8843 BTC [-]

10:25:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56000 @ 0.00056046 = 31.3858 BTC [-] {3}

10:53:38 shinohai: More FF woes: http://gizmodo.com/theres-a-firefox-exploit-in-the-wild-you-should-update-1722658068?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

10:53:39 assbot: There's a Firefox Exploit in the Wild—You Should Update Right Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1DuTYP5 )

10:55:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00056338 = 30.7605 BTC [+]

10:57:45 chetty: update right now!!! red flag for me, don't do it!

10:59:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00056338 = 24.1408 BTC [+]

11:07:12 shinohai: I am sure that update that was rushed out totally fixes all problems. You can trust us!

11:34:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00057792 = 16.4707 BTC [+]

11:41:46 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226699 <<< i sit down with a beer on a friday night after a long hard week to catch up on logs and /r/coontown :\

11:41:46 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 01:16:51; BingoBoingo: Oh, so /r/coontown was banned

11:56:32 shinohai: cazalla: I think they are on voat somewhere, /v/niggers if memory serves ...

12:00:04 shinohai: Wait, there is a /v/coontown too

12:01:21 cazalla: too much effort shinohai, voat isn't that lulzy, it is just the more dedicated post 24/7 nigger hate type of shit

12:02:30 shinohai: I haven't made up my mind yet if I care about voat enough to keep participating.

12:08:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00057162 = 49.1307 BTC [-] {3}

12:11:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61900 @ 0.00058838 = 36.4207 BTC [+] {4}

12:18:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 245850 @ 0.00059168 = 145.4645 BTC [+] {7}

12:41:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229200 @ 0.00059339 = 136.005 BTC [+] {10}

13:04:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103350 @ 0.00059387 = 61.3765 BTC [+]

13:08:18 shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo Haz you ever tried this browser? https://github.com/The-Compiler/qutebrowser

13:08:19 assbot: The-Compiler/qutebrowser · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1eXqygv )

13:08:19 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:13:30 mircea_popescu: <n6> Um, I'm in way over my head and going on 17 hours of gentoo << take your picture with your sad face next to a screen with gentoo failing on it, i'll pay you 0.1 BTC. just to prove a point.

13:13:37 mircea_popescu: and just you, i don't wanna be fucking bankrupt over here.

13:14:08 kakobrekla: l0l

13:15:40 shinohai: :D

13:16:21 shinohai: My only failure this week seems to be eulora, which I intend to remedy by not running on a shitty laptop.

13:21:39 mircea_popescu: should work.

13:22:04 mircea_popescu: shinohai no but i just feel for the guy, gentoo is the last thing that made me want to burn the world, and through a very similar process as he describes.

13:22:47 shinohai: I value my sanity which is why I just stick to Debian mainly.

13:26:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41500 @ 0.00058571 = 24.307 BTC [-]

13:26:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228808 << so your "Eating for breakfast" saying does after all have a figurative meaning, just not the one commonly used. more in the vein of http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rkzvquKC1r83bj4o1_r2_1280.jpg

13:26:57 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:21:08; ben_vulpes: "yes massa", in another age

13:27:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1eXsa9Y )

13:27:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115979 @ 0.00059608 = 69.1328 BTC [+] {6}

13:27:26 shinohai: ^ Breakfast at La Serenissma hotel

13:28:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228816 << notice where this is headed.

13:28:04 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:23:31; trinque: if this is the case, the guide could specify known good versions of the components installed

13:28:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00057851 = 18.0495 BTC [-] {2}

13:28:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228835 << aha. shoot the concept of "updates" in the head.

13:28:54 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:26:16; trinque: is this problem solved by someone just signing a disk image and being done with it?

13:29:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64772 @ 0.00057489 = 37.2368 BTC [-] {4}

13:29:10 mircea_popescu: fuck alf's "fit in head". if it's large enough to ever need updating it shouldn't have made in the first place.

13:29:19 mircea_popescu: i want an os made out of fucking pipes.

13:30:04 mircea_popescu: "everything that runs on this machine is fifty lines of code or less. one display page."

13:30:11 mircea_popescu: "so what do you do ?!"

13:30:23 mircea_popescu: this | that | tee | here & there.

13:32:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228860 << if you actually got bit by a coyote you must go get your rabies shots right now. the chickenshits don't dare attack humans, especially not adult males or when they're alone.

13:32:10 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:38:12; BingoBoingo: *All lines tonight were "acting" per http://fraudsters.com/the-crime-of-being-american * Fuck it. Into the ditch with this bitch I'll deal with it in the morning

13:32:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51850 @ 0.00057464 = 29.7951 BTC [-]

13:32:29 chetty: fifty lines of code or less// so why even bother with a computer, just do it all in your head

13:32:47 shinohai: I just read that artice earlier this morning. Twas quite good.

13:32:53 mircea_popescu: chetty i can dream!

13:33:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228873 << oh get the fuck out. making a baby takes half an hour tops. what is this!

13:33:57 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:43:11; trinque: 17hrs isn't an awful score

13:34:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00057438 = 19.9597 BTC [-] {3}

13:35:28 mircea_popescu: punkman he's probably in it for the titties. until he discovers some discoveries. which is in the end the point of both travel and being a young male.

13:35:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228967 << how is this not the same ?

13:35:58 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 13:29:10; mircea_popescu: fuck alf's "fit in head". if it's large enough to ever need updating it shouldn't have made in the first place.

13:36:25 mircea_popescu: it is it is.

13:36:32 mircea_popescu: BUT I GOTTA BRAND IT!

13:36:35 asciilifeform: l0l

13:36:39 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228968 << you just described the dataflow box, aha

13:36:39 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 13:29:19; mircea_popescu: i want an os made out of fucking pipes.

13:36:59 mircea_popescu: may i grow up into an adult as a personal process and in my own terms ? huh ? HUH ???

13:37:36 asciilifeform: (even bad old unix can satisfy if inserted into orifice correctly, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228190 )

13:37:36 assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 23:24:40; ascii_field: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{"sha512sum \"" $2 "\"" | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }'

13:37:44 mircea_popescu: quite.

13:38:01 mircea_popescu: it's one of the precursors. i saw that and i went "fucking hell, pipes. again. the solution."

13:38:19 asciilifeform: seriez of tooobz

13:40:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228902 << it actually works, economically.

13:40:09 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 07:12:05; mats: genius.

13:40:54 mircea_popescu: i know pretty much everyone here is very down on the whole concept, and perhaps you're right. but in point of fact, that thinking is at least in part supported by refusal to consider the plain fact that THERE IS NOTHING USEFUL FOR MOST WOMEN TO DO.

13:41:06 asciilifeform: ^

13:41:12 mircea_popescu: computers replaced secretaries. drones replaced soldiers. robots replaced coal miners. better detergents replaced the maid.

13:41:19 asciilifeform: (or most anyone...)

13:41:36 mircea_popescu: other than stay the fuck at home and have babies, or else go to the bar and dance (the vertical bar ; nude dance) there is jack for her to do.

13:42:06 mircea_popescu: this entire "monkey with electric typerwriter" pseudo-occupation play-pretend-job that unites gawker, reddit and 4chan is NOT IN FACT WORK

13:42:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is, this used to be handled by being kept as pet

13:42:25 mircea_popescu: it's play-pretend work, for the intellectually immature girlies not yet ready to make their own dolls, still playing with barbie

13:42:36 mircea_popescu: and thinking making a bit of plastic "go naked to tea party" is a big todo

13:42:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it still is. who wants most people as pets ? not even the coyotes.

13:42:58 asciilifeform: point

13:43:00 chetty: some very limited thinking going on here

13:43:07 asciilifeform: ?


13:44:32 asciilifeform: aha, did say.

13:44:49 asciilifeform: in fact this is readily observable

13:53:31 Adlai: drones have not replaced soldiers, just relocated them into air-conditioned cubicles

13:54:11 asciilifeform: what even is this 'replaced.' nobody cancelled old-fashioned soldiering.

13:54:33 Adlai: the classic soldier is about as useful as the classic knight

13:54:40 mircea_popescu: Adlai no jobsworth could ever replace soldiers.

13:54:44 mircea_popescu: the job of soldier has ended.

13:54:46 asciilifeform: and what, we're to believe that satellite-controlled airplanes replace men ?

13:54:52 mircea_popescu: the soldier himself is as eternal as dirt.

13:55:17 Adlai: "soldier" isn't over, but he can accomplish a lot more from much closer to the AC unit

13:55:24 mircea_popescu: but the original, socialistoid, eisenhowerian proposition that "soldiering's a job - full employment!" died in a pool of its own lye.

13:55:27 mircea_popescu: chetty especially men.

13:55:39 mircea_popescu: it's just, nobody cares about men, women people still care about.

13:56:42 Adlai: until some gaytheist alchemist figures out how to turn jizz into stem cells

13:56:57 mircea_popescu: i don't think it's reproduction based.

13:57:07 mircea_popescu: i actually think its curve-based. women just have better aesthetics.

13:57:19 Adlai: thus, 'gaytheist'

13:57:53 mircea_popescu: just like "the classical antiquity" seems to have made such excellent bronzes mostly because only the excellent ones survived the 9000+ cases where "must melt all bronze to make weapons".

13:57:59 mircea_popescu: people necessarily sort in a situation like that.

13:58:14 Adlai: "gaytheist, adj: caring for neither beauty nor divinity"

13:58:19 mircea_popescu: o.O

13:58:26 chetty: <mircea_popescu> i actually think its curve-based. women just have better aesthetics.// thats a male point of view, I prefer male aesthetics myself

13:58:47 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

13:59:44 mircea_popescu: Adlai the only thing he can accomplish there is ben_vulpes' breakfast.

14:00:41 Adlai: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMAhCCZDwtU9

14:00:42 assbot: Happy Gilmore - Pieces of Shit for Breakfast - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsWWrB )

14:03:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228927 << how come these never read "devs fuck up "latest version" yet again. you should revert to last-known-good, from 5 years ago."

14:03:02 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 10:53:39; assbot: There's a Firefox Exploit in the Wild—You Should Update Right Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1DuTYP5 )

14:03:08 mircea_popescu: how come. i wish to know this. HOW THE FUCK COME!

14:03:33 mircea_popescu: talking of limited thinking.

14:03:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally, engineered (via, e.g., 'gmail won't display in -5yr version' etc)

14:03:46 mircea_popescu: "you roll 22 and bust, you should double your bid!!11"

14:04:14 Adlai: 5yoFF won't load Naphex's Options Emporium

14:04:17 mircea_popescu: who the fuck in his right mind goes for seconds at the place that fucked it up.

14:04:28 mircea_popescu: consumer culture, that's it. "the car you sold me sucked, i want you to give me another one"

14:04:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for lulz, boot up a -15+ yr. machine with browserz (esp. < ver. 10 'mac') and try reading with it

14:04:46 mircea_popescu: why the everloving fuck would i want a car with better hidden failure modes from the creators of the car that sucked.

14:05:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i use an antique lynx or an opera from

14:05:04 *: Adlai has progressed to doing most actual *work* from an X-less 'thin client', never been happier

14:05:48 mircea_popescu: 2006!

14:05:51 Adlai: actual software runs on machines younger than a decade (but not much!), but it still has to speak text for this box to understand

14:05:53 mircea_popescu: my opera is from 10 years ago. works fucking fine.

14:06:04 asciilifeform: car that sucked >>> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/03/welcome-to-fuffland.html << obligatory classic

14:06:05 assbot: ClubOrlov: Welcome to Fuffland! ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsXAoV )

14:06:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is why specific example of 'gmail' etc, which use scripts

14:06:42 mircea_popescu: fuck jwz with a stick.

14:06:49 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/DEeFKyJ.png

14:06:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsXFsE )

14:06:51 mircea_popescu: and i am still reeling over how imbecillic philg got over the years srsly.

14:06:55 mircea_popescu: old fucking age.

14:07:01 asciilifeform: all good & well until you need to display that browsable svg turd

14:07:14 Adlai: d00d, svg is text

14:07:14 asciilifeform: and click on the antecedents etc

14:07:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it doesn't do svg worth a shit.

14:07:26 Adlai: svg is text

14:07:34 Adlai: load that into lisp, M-x slime-inspect, etc etc

14:07:37 kakobrekla: http://madsciencewriter.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-foreskin-why-is-it-such-secret-in.html

14:07:38 assbot: Mad Science Writer: The foreskin: Why is it such a secret in North America? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsXHRc )

14:07:38 asciilifeform: Adlai: everything is text when you hexdump -C it

14:07:42 mircea_popescu: Adlai but we were discussing browsers.

14:08:12 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ironically, because puritans of the 50s thought that the foreskin is a major factor in the disease of gayness

14:08:14 *: Adlai nominates M-x slime-inspect as a valid web browser, especially after ,ql closure

14:08:28 mircea_popescu: and if ytou cut it off the boys will be protected by Utilihova from becoming filthy fags.

14:08:35 kakobrekla: mhm

14:08:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc started off as an antimasturbatory notion

14:08:56 mircea_popescu: worked about as well as you'd expect, on the basis of the record of ustardian puritans.

14:09:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's what they CALLED it.

14:09:03 mircea_popescu: but no.

14:09:18 mircea_popescu: (masturbation, spending time alone, and generally not being a jock also parts of disease of gayness)

14:09:27 mircea_popescu: (explains turing perfectly!)

14:09:39 mircea_popescu: (also nazi party)

14:10:00 Adlai: venn diagram of "jock" and "gay" disagrees...

14:10:07 mircea_popescu: only recently.

14:10:10 shinohai: Eat moar Corn Flakes.

14:10:34 mircea_popescu: and, i might add, symptomatically, for the perspectives of being a libertard, the newly branded ustardian puritan.

14:12:00 shinohai: Kellog also advocated yogurt enemas to fight masturbation, which in my mind was just kink.

14:12:40 Adlai: well they do say that it's useless until it reaches the gut, sounds like optimization to me

14:12:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20454 @ 0.00057696 = 11.8011 BTC [+]

14:13:09 mircea_popescu: shinohai wait, wut ?! link ?

14:14:18 shinohai: Sauce: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3185011/What-Corn-Flakes-masturbation-common-Mr-Kellogg-believed-sexual-desires-caused-disease-invented-plain-cereal-stop-self-pleasuring.html

14:14:19 assbot: Kellogg's Corn Flakes invented to stop masturbation and sexual desire | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsYyBu )

14:15:41 mircea_popescu: !rate decimation -1 Guy's been soft working teh #b-a for about a year and a half. Needless to say, it didn't work out.

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14:16:23 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for decimation with note: Guy's been soft working teh #b-a for about a year and a half. Needless to say, it didn't work out.

14:18:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28338 @ 0.00057763 = 16.3689 BTC [+] {3}

14:23:38 asciilifeform: http://fas.org/irp/eprint/arens/chap4.htm << vintage lulz

14:23:38 assbot: OPERATION KETSU-GO ... ( http://bit.ly/1UsZCW7 )

14:24:35 ben_vulpes: <Adlai> drones have not replaced soldiers, just relocated them into air-conditioned cubicles << and only until the em wars get serious

14:24:50 mircea_popescu: or the power stays on.

14:24:59 ben_vulpes: hm?

14:25:08 ben_vulpes: oh oh

14:25:31 mircea_popescu: i always wondered if any star trek fans ever wondered what happens to the spaceship once saying "shields up!!" "shoot lasers!!" etc stops returning "enemy destroyed"

14:25:33 asciilifeform: radio-controlled fighting machines are not new. they were tried even by germany as 'wunderwaffen'

14:25:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform originally tried by michail paleologos as "heavenly host"

14:25:59 asciilifeform: l0l

14:26:02 mircea_popescu: aham.

14:26:10 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: forgive my thickness but what is the breakfast reference?

14:26:15 asciilifeform: american sailors would turn on electric razor, sparks, and winged rocket fell into the sea.

14:26:21 Adlai: it really just depends on the war

14:26:24 mircea_popescu: didn't you say you eat them for breakfast ?

14:26:27 asciilifeform: modern machines are ~slightly~ harder to jam.

14:26:31 mircea_popescu: Adlai "war. war never changes."

14:26:46 Adlai: ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

14:27:04 ben_vulpes: probably, but now i can't find the line in the logz

14:27:16 mircea_popescu: admire the irony of having been defeated by a quote from a videogame, in your quest to defend the videogame war.

14:27:30 mod6: hanbot: good news! thanks for the update

14:27:40 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's five lines up from where you say "yes massa"

14:28:14 ben_vulpes: oh yeah

14:28:16 ben_vulpes: lunch

14:28:23 *: mircea_popescu is jetlagged.

14:28:31 Adlai: far from a 'videogame war', modern warfare is still quite shitty, but the precise nature (taste, color, proportion of black bile vs yellow) changes

14:29:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229121 << visited island fortress ?

14:29:27 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 14:28:23; *: mircea_popescu is jetlagged.

14:29:47 mircea_popescu: i guess this is to some degree true. war changes to favour offensive or defensive in a cycle. there's an excelent scene in der untergang, where a veteran field officer surveying the killing zone through stereoscopic periscope sees a bunch of green vulksstrums and yells for them to get the very fuck out of there already!

14:30:00 Adlai: it's much easier to look at the nature of warfare and say, "oh, it's changing like this, or like that", but the much more significant changes are in its *objectives*

14:30:07 mircea_popescu: why ? why should he wish for this ? after all, goebbels well observed "their determination" will make up for the lack of weaponry.

14:30:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64050 @ 0.00057435 = 36.7871 BTC [-] {3}

14:30:22 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> why the everloving fuck would i want a car with better hidden failure modes from the creators of the car that sucked. << i was recently at a pitch from legaleze.io wherein the guy who runs the formdump site in question lionized marc andresen, and then displayed a pmarca tweet congratulating him for saying something 'grand' about 'software eating law'

14:30:26 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the vet knew enough from experience to know the war is now a defensive affair, and the only thing that matters is not being killed.

14:30:41 mircea_popescu: and the only thing "being a veteran" means is, "having loaded an endless list of don'ts"

14:30:41 ben_vulpes: why the shit do i want to listen to the asshole responsible for the broswer about how software is going to eat law?

14:30:51 Adlai: "it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left"

14:30:52 mircea_popescu: as orwell well observed, the airplane and the radio turned the war into a game of rats.

14:31:08 asciilifeform: rattenkrieg (tm) (r)

14:31:09 Adlai: both came long after the cannon

14:31:23 Adlai: which is itself dated by the crossbow

14:31:34 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes software is nevertheless eating law. except it happens somewhere other than there.

14:31:54 Adlai: the crossbow is the turning point where war went to shit

14:32:12 mircea_popescu: notrly. recall the unfortunate adventure of one mr orsini ?

14:32:17 ben_vulpes: i'm not arguing the point, i just don't see the point of engaging on 'formalizing the whole legal system' with a guy who generates xml from erb templates and thinks this is a good idea

14:32:25 asciilifeform: Adlai: and was not 'to shit' when turkic recurved bows were bugspraying europeans ?

14:32:28 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes werd.

14:32:46 asciilifeform: or is 'to shit' only when the affair drags on, rather than over in a day because massacre of the unprepared

14:33:13 Adlai: crossbow marks the point where camping became +EV

14:33:20 mircea_popescu: it's "to shit" every time the contest moves from "who can hold his position in front of enemy with nary a care" to "who can hide best".

14:33:27 mircea_popescu: in this sense it went to shit once legion surpassed phalanx.

14:33:36 ben_vulpes: moreover "software is eating the law in the sense that bitcoin is here and we do gpg contracts now" is...beyond the derps.

14:33:40 mircea_popescu: and it kept going to shit. once english bowmen owned french cataphracts

14:33:41 mircea_popescu: etc etc.

14:33:48 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes myeah.

14:34:04 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: notice that usg vermin are almost defined by their fondness of 'formalize but not really formalize

14:34:05 asciilifeform: '

14:34:19 asciilifeform: !s rule of law

14:34:20 assbot: 48 results for 'rule of law' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rule+of+law

14:34:20 mircea_popescu: it's this entire "try to find a trend to stand in front of"

14:34:21 ben_vulpes: i finally left when he started talking about fuzzing the robocorps

14:34:25 ben_vulpes: as if!

14:34:26 mircea_popescu: almost like they're a legion of japanese tourists

14:34:28 asciilifeform: where is that canonical mega-turd...

14:34:41 mircea_popescu: "and here's me in front of the sphinx. notice this other guy is speaking to me about the sphinx"

14:34:51 asciilifeform: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm << it

14:34:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MS6Xx3 )

14:35:18 ben_vulpes: anywayz, what's the story with decimation, mircea_popescu?

14:35:34 mircea_popescu: it deeply fascinates me how alf does feel the need to maintain a -publicly stated!!!- corpus of humanities cannon, yet nevertheless does not feel this need about a corpus of software cannon.

14:35:50 mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer

14:35:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not my fault there isn't a canon

14:35:54 mircea_popescu: except subconsciously.

14:35:58 asciilifeform: i despise the despicable

14:36:02 asciilifeform: and respect the respectable.

14:36:08 asciilifeform: like any normal person

14:36:31 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there's no story. i dun trust him, an' now you know i don't.

14:36:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know which of these a group noun falls into chiefly depends on how you examine.

14:36:58 mircea_popescu: lest you end up "despising jews".

14:37:00 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my understanding is that mircea_popescu kicked him for тунеядство.

14:37:17 asciilifeform: (doesn't translate, unfortunately. but you can read about what it is.)

14:38:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00058108 = 40.2688 BTC [+]

14:38:21 asciilifeform: literally something like 'worklesseating'

14:39:20 asciilifeform: http://d3mlntcv38ck9k.cloudfront.net/content/konspekt_image/16840/8c8ddc9feaa4b49c90d4327bfec75e08.jpg

14:39:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ut1AFN )

14:40:23 asciilifeform: http://vk34.ru/assets/images/555/rossiya-tuneyadstvo-rossiya.jpg

14:40:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ut1Kx9 )

14:40:26 asciilifeform: etc.

14:42:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and it cannot be said that i do not believe in a 'software canon.' just that very few folks have heard of it, just as j. s. bach's music did not play for two centuries at one point. e.g., mccarthy's 'lisp 1.5'; weizenbaum's 'eliza'; ... many others

14:42:38 asciilifeform: there is a canon.

14:42:56 mircea_popescu: yet this same consideration (few foplks heard of) does not prevent you from linking say hasnasj

14:43:02 asciilifeform: but that music isn't playing today, except on the home organs of a few weirdos like yours truly

14:43:07 mircea_popescu: moreover, it's obviously self-healing. mention -> hearing.

14:43:14 ben_vulpes: what eating

14:43:45 *: mircea_popescu directs questions as to alf's interpretation of phenomena to alf directly.

14:43:46 ben_vulpes: is idling in #b-a now a crime?

14:43:50 mircea_popescu: nah.

14:44:10 ben_vulpes: i lack the cultural contex to appreciate "тунеядство" here

14:44:31 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i finally came up with rough english ver.: 'freeload'

14:44:43 ben_vulpes: again, "what eating"

14:45:20 asciilifeform: of brain cycles, perhaps

14:46:10 mircea_popescu: "Sweden has traditionally relied heavily on the strong protestant work ethic of its citizens. A cornerstone of the country's welfare system has been a population which has been reluctant to misuse the system. Although taxes have been high and government benefits generous, the strong work ethic has stopped people from taking advantage of the welfare state. Alas, this attitude has been largely abandoned. As time has pass

14:46:11 mircea_popescu: ed, people have adapted to the system."

14:46:11 *: asciilifeform directs questions as to mircea_popescu's exercise of the -1 cannon to mircea_popescu directly

14:46:11 mircea_popescu: doh.

14:46:14 mircea_popescu: how to ruin ethic.

14:46:22 mircea_popescu: lol canon pun!

14:46:43 ben_vulpes: "compliance is a forest of fingers pointing at everyone else"

14:47:22 ben_vulpes: on a more interesting note, did you get a chance to digest my mL of pcap, asciilifeform?

14:47:55 ben_vulpes: i plan to take a hammer to the coracle's blockchain soon, would like to know if you see anything interesting in it

14:48:01 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sadly not. and probably won't today. writing most of a pc os for $redacted.

14:48:26 ben_vulpes: i took a brief hack at figuring out how to parse pcap dumps, but not very successfully

14:48:33 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'wireshark'

14:48:39 ben_vulpes: nooooo

14:48:47 ben_vulpes: really?

14:48:58 asciilifeform: i mean, if for human consumption

14:49:02 mircea_popescu: ?Why should I only get this handout only the months that I attend school?? Explaining that he needs money for going out with his friends and buying clothes all year round, the young author concluded: ?I don?t have anything against working. But if the government doesn?t make sure that I have a job, it is their responsibility to pay me the handouts all year around?.

14:49:03 mircea_popescu: win.

14:49:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if it is to parse automatically on unattended spy satellite, then yes, something else, not wireshark

14:50:05 ben_vulpes: i am unsurprised to learn that software does not produce human parseable output at the command line

14:50:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as described in your article re: the herring fishermen, the scandinavians forgot what actual work looks like 1000 years ago.

14:50:31 mircea_popescu: just about.

14:50:46 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want raw packet payloads, tcpdump will disgorge'em.

14:51:01 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want intelligent slice&dice --- wireshark. or write own.

14:51:10 shinohai: http://gizmodo.com/north-korea-made-its-own-time-zone-to-tell-japan-to-fuc-1722684800

14:51:11 assbot: North Korea Made Its Own Time Zone to Tell Japan to Fuck Off ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ut3aaI )

14:51:14 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't know what i want - this whole project is an endless barrel of 'wtf'

14:51:25 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you only now realized this?!

14:51:36 ben_vulpes: no no just reiterating

14:51:47 ben_vulpes: but with emphasis on the grand scope of my ignorance

14:52:06 ben_vulpes: ofc it makes sense that i'd have to fire up wireshark on this thing eventually

14:52:09 *: ben_vulpes thinks

14:52:15 ben_vulpes: actually i have!

14:52:22 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: recent wireshark actually tries to parse bitcoin

14:52:22 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do not be surprised that cli tools do not put out stuff in a format you don't know

14:52:24 ben_vulpes: past experiments not worth mentioning.

14:52:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6942 @ 0.00057337 = 3.9803 BTC [-]

14:52:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i was impressed.

14:52:51 asciilifeform: just when i though i'd have to write a mod for it

14:52:58 asciilifeform: but it isn't tremendously useful, no

14:53:05 asciilifeform: because the inspection isn't stateful

14:53:24 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes will learn soon enough what i meant.

14:53:37 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229230 <<< isn't this a good use case for your pipes, using sed & awk ?

14:53:37 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 14:52:22; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do not be surprised that cli tools do not put out stuff in a format you don't know

14:53:50 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: a) i don't know any formats and b) i stopped expecting things to behave in any particular way when i realized that "tar" is "tape archive"

14:53:56 ben_vulpes: s/realized/learned

14:54:11 mircea_popescu: :p

14:54:29 asciilifeform: speaking of tape, i've always lamented that no one sells a reel-to-reel for modern pc

14:54:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't exactly know how they'd do a better job

14:54:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57922 @ 0.00057514 = 33.3133 BTC [+] {3}

14:54:40 asciilifeform: why shouldn't i be able to use arbitrary lengths of tape.

14:54:43 mircea_popescu: you will perhaps notice wireshark is taking a saner view of btc protocol than the power rangers

14:54:50 mircea_popescu: much to everyone else's eternal amusement.

14:55:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally, it is written for folks who do the grunt work

14:55:26 mircea_popescu: or in any case, has some people whoi can actually think in the userbase.

14:55:45 ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off to coffee, breakfast, fire a girl, do the work she was supposed to do, and then the burbs for a sales meeting

14:55:52 ben_vulpes: RUN MORE RAILS

14:55:52 asciilifeform: rather like a truck or a train, the design cannot be too insane

14:55:53 mircea_popescu: there's basically three types of things in this world : those who have nobody thinking in the userbase and don't care ; those who have some thinking people in the userbase and don't care

14:56:00 ben_vulpes: it keeps ben_vulpes' children fed

14:56:05 mircea_popescu: and the recent adition, those which have some untinking people in the userbase and don't carew.

14:56:14 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes works on a railroad ?!!!

14:56:19 asciilifeform: that's new

14:56:26 mircea_popescu: he also digs up stones in congo.

14:56:31 mircea_popescu: rubies!

14:56:38 asciilifeform: ah ~that~ railroad

14:56:40 asciilifeform: l0l!

14:56:47 mircea_popescu: failroad.

14:57:05 *: asciilifeform bbl, off to dig up some stones

15:01:36 mircea_popescu: http://madsciencewriter.blogspot.com.ar/2013/05/the-foreskin-why-is-it-such-secret-in.html << this is an excellent anatomy write-up but (as is common for the past five centuries for some reason), a very poor phisiopathology write-up. of particular note : phimosis IS an actual pathologic state even if broadly misused. and dxo and a number of other genuine afflictions of the prepuce do legitimately exist.

15:01:38 assbot: Mad Science Writer: The foreskin: Why is it such a secret in North America? ... ( http://bit.ly/1MS9K9s )

15:02:36 mircea_popescu: (bxo*. balanitis xerotica obliterans)

15:05:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114100 @ 0.00058343 = 66.5694 BTC [+]

15:09:18 mircea_popescu: diametric http://dpaste.com/2PMRDRP

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15:10:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00059508 = 29.0102 BTC [+] {5}

15:11:04 shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin_devlist/comments/3fov44/incentivising_full_nodes_by_having_spv_nodes_to/

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15:11:33 mircea_popescu: heh.

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15:36:41 Adlai: !seen assbot

15:39:38 kakobrekla: assy doesnt do seen

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15:46:00 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228860 << if you actually got bit by a coyote you must go get your rabies shots right now. the chickenshits don't dare attack humans, especially not adult males or when they're alone. << "acting" work of fiction it seems.

15:46:00 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:38:12; BingoBoingo: *All lines tonight were "acting" per http://fraudsters.com/the-crime-of-being-american * Fuck it. Into the ditch with this bitch I'll deal with it in the morning

15:46:09 punkman: !rate williamdunne 1 small btc/gbp trade

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15:48:24 *: BingoBoingo creatively thinking outloud and venting my hate at the noise machines

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15:54:09 mike_c: mpoe flirting with 60.. what a bull run.

15:54:21 mike_c: short! short!

15:54:54 mike_c: !t h rent

15:54:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00810003 / 0.0090831 / 0.01369000 (55 shares, 0.49957045 BTC), 30D: 0.00056038 / 0.01109156 / 0.01420000 (650 shares, 7.20951573 BTC)

15:55:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aha.

15:55:44 mircea_popescu: mike_c h8r

15:56:20 mike_c: Just a contrarian. I have no idea if it's headed to 80 or 40.

15:56:43 ben_vulpes: dip was pretty short...

15:56:56 mircea_popescu: mike_c btw, am i ever gonna see you in game ? ?!?! ?!? ?!? !???

15:57:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.0005842 = 14.0208 BTC [+]

15:58:15 mike_c: A good question. Short answer - yes. Long answer, I wonder if Eulora in its current state is good for a casual/short-on-time gamer.

15:58:41 mircea_popescu: yes.

15:58:46 mike_c: It seems like I would love it like I love Total War - If I have 20 hours a week to play it would be awesome.

15:59:02 mircea_popescu: it is much easier to get +ev if you play casually than if you play intensively.

15:59:27 mike_c: Hm. Ok, well, then I will start aiming my 30-45 daily mins of play at Eulora then.

15:59:42 mircea_popescu: did i ever get you a starter package ?

15:59:53 mike_c: I got some lil bits of nothing

15:59:58 mircea_popescu: and skills ?

16:00:10 mike_c: I got some of my own skills exploring

16:00:11 chetty: low level players on eulora are in some demand

16:00:27 mike_c: Drank the murky what-not and cleared my head

16:00:53 mircea_popescu: yeah, you're needed to overcraft high level items for high level crafters to get them bps

16:01:12 mircea_popescu: and you can always mine, and low q mined stuff fetches a high % premium relative to their net value

16:01:39 mircea_popescu: the challenge in eulora, much like in business, is to scale up while maintaining profitability.

16:01:43 mike_c: I'll start poking again and see if danielpbarron can make use of me. He seems to be king of the land :)

16:02:43 mircea_popescu: what doesn't work is the 'i made a level in five minutes so i'll make 500 levels in 20 hours' linear thing from grinder mmorpgs.

16:02:49 mircea_popescu: eulora's very not linear.

16:03:29 mike_c: I'm not so worried about +ev though. I already have a job.

16:03:55 mircea_popescu: on the other hand yesterday i bought ~10mn worth of thorns.

16:04:00 mike_c: hehe

16:04:07 mircea_popescu: it can add up to dough.

16:05:15 mike_c: hopefully Eulora will accomodate me - someone who is perfectly happy with -ev as long as I'm having fun. This should help supply the people who are more interested in the money.

16:05:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42666 @ 0.00060566 = 25.8411 BTC [+] {3}

16:06:07 mircea_popescu: well if it doesn't i wanna hear about it.

16:06:28 mircea_popescu: the game is very deeply meta atm, from what i've seen

16:10:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67871 @ 0.00060577 = 41.1142 BTC [+]

16:11:53 scoopbot_revived: Varia varietatis, or your All-About-The-Mollusc guide. http://fraudsters.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/

16:12:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35777 @ 0.0005842 = 20.9009 BTC [-]

16:15:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00060642 = 23.1956 BTC [+] {3}

16:17:57 mircea_popescu: ha!

16:18:01 mircea_popescu: mmmwhahahahaah

16:28:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34148 @ 0.00060673 = 20.7186 BTC [+]

16:28:06 punkman: http://www.wsj.com/article_email/3-d-printer-firms-fall-flat-as-buyers-wait-for-new-models-1438905355-lMyQjAxMTI1NzA3NzMwNjc2Wj

16:28:07 assbot: 3-D Printer Firms Fall Flat, as Buyers Wait for New Models - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pb7EQm )

16:28:37 mircea_popescu: "let's redo the videogame winter because we're unique special snowflakes and who needs management"

16:28:39 mircea_popescu: win.

16:29:13 punkman: I like how "fall flat" means losing 10s of millions of bezzlars

16:29:19 mircea_popescu: the only difference being that the usg was not either powerful enough or attentive enough to give a shit either way about consoles in the 80s.

16:29:29 mircea_popescu: whereas it sure as shit doesn't want any more of that "printed gun" nonsense.

16:31:01 shinohai: I don't think that guy coud get *any* project off the ground. Darkwallet is a fail for sure.

16:45:31 mircea_popescu: "The strategy for Ketsu-Go was outlined in an 8 April 1945 Army Directive.(4) It stated that the Imperial Army would endeavor to crush the Americans while the invasion force was still at sea. They planned to deliver a decisive blow against the American naval force by initially destroying as many carriers as possible, utilizing the special attack forces of the Air Force and Navy. When the amphibious force approached wit

16:45:31 mircea_popescu: hin range of the homeland airbases, the entire air combat strength would be employed in continual night and day assaults against these ships. In conducting the air operations, the emphasis would be on the disruption of the American landing plans. The principal targets were to be the troop and equipment transports. Those American forces which succeeded in landing would be swiftly attacked by the Imperial Army in order t

16:45:31 mircea_popescu: o seek the decisive victory. The principal objective of the land operation was the destruction of the American landing force on the beach."

16:45:35 mircea_popescu: happens to be the correct strategy.

16:45:55 mircea_popescu: (and yes, its perspectives for success are broadly why nuclear detonations were perfectly justified)

16:48:01 mircea_popescu: would have made japan into a sort of north korea.

16:54:02 mircea_popescu: "One campaign unit of fire was sufficient ammunition for one campaign - generally understood to be a three month supply.(21) This called for the following rounds per weapon: 1,000 rounds per field piece, 25,000 rounds per machine gun, and 240 rounds per rifle." << contrary to what one would expect on the basis of "aciton movies", the expected rate of fire of a rifle in war is ~2 shots/day.

16:54:14 mircea_popescu: !up King_Rex

16:54:28 King_Rex: ty mircea_popescu

16:54:33 mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?

16:55:04 King_Rex: lurker, very interested in deedbot and the bitcoin foundation and your node efforts

16:55:40 shinohai: !up ascii_field

16:57:10 mircea_popescu: aha.

16:57:44 King_Rex: i am kicking myself for not joing the wot in '11

16:57:54 King_Rex: i will do so soon

16:58:27 mircea_popescu: good idea.

16:59:06 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228964 << cool, I'm taking this on then.

16:59:06 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 13:28:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228835 << aha. shoot the concept of "updates" in the head.

16:59:22 mircea_popescu: hm ?

16:59:24 trinque: sounds like a disk image and accompanying livecd which can deploy it

16:59:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00060673 = 2.3056 BTC [+]

16:59:38 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228835

16:59:39 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 06:26:16; trinque: is this problem solved by someone just signing a disk image and being done with it?

16:59:55 mircea_popescu: well, it can be a signed binary, but only after it is a pile of source.

17:00:08 trinque: certainly; I've got scripts around building these disk images already

17:00:15 trinque: just need to package it up nicely

17:02:01 mircea_popescu: but yes. being able to tell new people "do http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225687 or else, AT YOUR OPTION, if you have the time, and the expertise, here'sd the source, read it, sign it, ml the receipt" way beats having to tell new people http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1228947

17:02:01 assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:28:09; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's what i want to accomplish, as a goal : i want to be able to put up a linux system, then go curl http://fraudsters.com/autobitcoin.sh | gpg -verify > autobitcoin.sh. and then run that autobitcoin.sh, which auto-follows the changes of people i have selected for this task, builds them and runs them

17:02:01 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 13:13:30; mircea_popescu: <n6> Um, I'm in way over my head and going on 17 hours of gentoo << take your picture with your sad face next to a screen with gentoo failing on it, i'll pay you 0.1 BTC. just to prove a point.

17:02:24 trinque: right, thing needs a damn on-ramp

17:02:31 trinque: I'll hack on this over the weekend

17:02:39 mircea_popescu: not least of all because i only haver so many btc.

17:02:51 mircea_popescu: and people only have so much frustration dampener.

17:06:51 ascii_field: wai wut

17:06:55 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225690 << absolutely

17:06:55 assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:30:12; mircea_popescu: and i know this can be done because it's how fucking viruses work.

17:07:07 trinque: in the case of bitcoind dev, sure, barriers are great

17:07:34 trinque: in the case of people wanting to join the WoT and have a real computer, not so great

17:08:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20725 @ 0.00060369 = 12.5115 BTC [-]

17:08:47 ascii_field: 'Except... it isn't. Ahh, that exquisite flavour on the roof of your mouth, when "Automatic Updates" pops up a textbox to "inform" you that your OS is "no longer supported"v which can not be closed because the process that spawned it died in a "futex wait me" state as if this is actually a fucking thing, and then it can't be turned off, because if one goes to follow the process that supposedly turns it off that one

17:08:47 ascii_field: discovers the respective variables were zeroed out already.' << win

17:09:33 trinque: !up n6

17:09:47 trinque: n6: btw, you survived gentoo quest; get in the wot :)

17:11:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_field aha

17:12:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.0005927 = 30.1981 BTC [-] {3}

17:16:57 trinque: I will base this cd on the amd64-nomultilib guide unless there are objections

17:17:21 trinque: it seems like using an alternative libc might cause unnecessary n00b pain

17:17:35 ascii_field: ick

17:17:38 ascii_field: death to glibc.

17:17:41 trinque: well, I agree

17:17:46 trinque: hence request for comment

17:17:50 ascii_field: not 'for n00bz', not for dogs, not for cats

17:17:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9772 @ 0.00058638 = 5.7301 BTC [-]

17:17:53 ascii_field: not fit for life

17:24:38 diametric: mircea_popescu: ty ty

17:26:10 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:26:13 BingoBoingo: !up King_Rex

17:30:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178150 @ 0.00060814 = 108.3401 BTC [+] {8}

17:38:22 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229329 << these are not 'the 3d printer firms'. well, they are, but they make 'golden toilets' that no hobbyist ever touched

17:38:22 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 16:28:06; punkman: http://www.wsj.com/article_email/3-d-printer-firms-fall-flat-as-buyers-wait-for-new-models-1438905355-lMyQjAxMTI1NzA3NzMwNjc2Wj

17:39:22 ascii_field: they are '3d printer' in the same sense that sco 'is' unix

17:40:50 punkman: I've touched them

17:41:07 punkman: but I know plenty of golden-toilet in that area

17:41:22 ascii_field: i did too. a 'stratasys' was sold for a couplea hundy at my university's surplus shop

17:41:30 ascii_field: the giant powder-sintering thing

17:41:34 ascii_field: complete with sandblast cabinet

17:41:51 ascii_field: and 'glove box'

17:45:18 diametric: ^ powder-gluing z-corp. similar but instead of melting powder together, it glues it with an inkjet type nozzle.

17:45:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12575 @ 0.00061007 = 7.6716 BTC [+]

17:45:34 ascii_field: ^ probably it

17:49:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86222 @ 0.00061217 = 52.7825 BTC [+] {4}

17:50:48 shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/media/2015/08/07/bad-buzz/ <<< ooops

17:50:49 assbot: BuzzFeed's Editor-In-Chief 'accidentally' leaked private DMs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DvJajI )

18:04:18 *: shinohai is now seeing why ascii_field hates glibc so much

18:06:20 BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2015-info/trump-hair/trump-hair-history.htm vs. https://cryptome.org/2015-info/hillary-hair/hillary-hair-history.htm

18:06:21 assbot: Trump Hair History ... ( http://bit.ly/1gjegQx )

18:06:22 assbot: Hillary Hair History ... ( http://bit.ly/1gjeh7g )

18:09:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63800 @ 0.00061385 = 39.1636 BTC [+]

18:11:00 ben_vulpes: i musta missed the memo on eulora being an okay casual play

18:11:17 ben_vulpes: might try again, ask for pointers

18:12:08 danielpbarron: at the very least you should all get the craftbot and leave it running overnight

18:12:22 danielpbarron: and coming soon, a mining bot

18:12:26 ben_vulpes: right.

18:12:29 ben_vulpes: explorationbot?

18:12:32 danielpbarron: it's the new early adopter bitcoin mining!

18:12:36 danielpbarron: ya

18:12:50 danielpbarron: i guess it's supposed to explore and build the tiny/small claims as it goes

18:12:58 ben_vulpes: i'd not mind learning a bit more about the thing so's i can have some fun automating it

18:12:59 danielpbarron: and hopefully lock the ordinary/remarkables

18:13:06 ben_vulpes: 'twas always my gripe with eve.

18:13:26 danielpbarron: botting is not only allowed, not only encouraged, but rewarded!

18:13:33 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:13:33 danielpbarron: there are prizes available for writing these things

18:13:35 ben_vulpes: plus i feel thooper thtupid asking all of the "how ams" questions i had about eulora last time

18:13:39 ascii_field: almost forgot, from last night:

18:13:39 ben_vulpes: right right

18:13:49 ascii_field: mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $0 " " o} !m { print $0 }'

18:13:55 ascii_field: achtung, panzers ^^^

18:14:03 ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^^^

18:14:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:14:10 ben_vulpes: now there's some perl.

18:14:15 ascii_field: no perl!

18:14:33 ben_vulpes: i know, just ribbing

18:14:52 ascii_field: this inserts 'false' in place of sha512's of files which do not exist in a (or b)

18:15:24 ascii_field: ergo is a complete solution to the antecedent-embedding diff which i suggested to mircea_popescu earlier this week.

18:15:42 ascii_field: wrote before going to bed last night, forgot to post.

18:15:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19056 @ 0.00061385 = 11.6975 BTC [+]

18:16:07 ben_vulpes: nifty indeed

18:16:52 ascii_field: the 'patch' on my systems eats these happily, disregarding the extra bit

18:17:03 ascii_field: others - please say if this is/is not the case on theirs.

18:17:14 ben_vulpes: i'll have to cook up a test case or so

18:27:54 punkman: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/23/call-off-the-bee-pocalypse-u-s-honeybee-colonies-hit-a-20-year-high/

18:27:55 assbot: Call off the bee-pocalypse: U.S. honeybee colonies hit a 20-year high - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVYqZK )

18:30:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00061492 = 20.8458 BTC [+] {3}

18:33:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.00061505 = 24.5712 BTC [+]

18:44:16 jurov: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/06/la-serenissima-fender-flags-a-modest-proposal/#comment-25365 hahahahaha

18:44:17 assbot: La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwmpbS )

18:44:41 shinohai: !up ascii_field

18:44:44 gernika: General question - is there value in continuing to test stator, and future versions of it, on OpenBSD? Or should I abandon that and just test on Gentoo from now on?

18:45:03 jurov: why not?

18:45:08 ascii_field: ^

18:45:23 ascii_field: test on 'minix' if you feel like.

18:45:41 ben_vulpes: mod6 has a hardon for openbsd

18:45:53 ben_vulpes: twould please him no end to see test reports coming in from that platform

18:46:06 gernika: Because I won't be able to build it "deterministically" without rotor. Was my thinking.

18:46:11 ben_vulpes: i still maintain hope that libressl can be used too

18:46:15 trinque: ben_vulpes: also happens to have an installer that isn't a field of broken glass

18:46:20 ascii_field: who knows, the day may come when we gotta get the cosmoline grease off bsd and run it. like the ww2 tanks taken off their monument pedestals and sent to fight in donetsk

18:46:47 ben_vulpes: who knows, we may have to take a dependency on forthos too

18:47:07 trinque: parted doesn't even work right; I just bitched about it in #parted

18:47:09 ascii_field: l0lwut

18:47:19 trinque: can't just fart a bunch of command into it like an interpreter

18:47:28 trinque: though the --script flag would suggest otherwise

18:48:30 gernika: Incidentally I spent about 1hr attempting to build rotor on OpenBSD - got buried in tiny differences between bsd/linux.

18:48:42 trinque: gernika: please do make note of these differences

18:48:45 trinque: and post to the ML

18:48:50 ascii_field: gernika: that thing exists for linux !

18:48:55 ascii_field: to get out of glibc !

18:48:58 trinque: oh right, derp

18:49:50 *: shinohai hopes ascii_field will post a rotor build log for arm folks soon ...

18:49:51 trinque: quick googling suggests people have tried it

18:49:54 gernika: Ah right. No problems building statically on OpenBSD.

18:50:55 danielpbarron: deedbot- http://danielpbarron.com/xmacro.tar.gz.sha512.asc.txt

18:50:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwnkcn )

18:50:57 deedbot-: accepted: 1

18:54:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90461 @ 0.00061497 = 55.6308 BTC [-] {7}

18:56:19 jurov: https://blogs.gentoo.org/blueness/2015/08/04/alt-libc-the-state-of-uclibc-and-musl-in-gentoo-part-1/ we're not alone

18:56:21 assbot: alt-libc: The state of uClibc and musl in Gentoo (part 1) | Anthony G. Basile ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwo3u5 )

18:58:53 ascii_field: ^ pretty much nothing about musl

18:59:29 ben_vulpes: https://blogs.gentoo.org/blueness/2015/07/31/the-gentoo-reference-system-suite-a-new-release-engineering-tool/

18:59:32 assbot: The “Gentoo Reference System” suite: a new Release Engineering tool. | Anthony G. Basile ... ( http://bit.ly/1KW0WPs )

19:00:10 ben_vulpes: attn trinque

19:01:01 ascii_field: ^ appealing idea. but unless he does the decidedly un-sexy step of 'closing the universe' and nailing down packages ~FOREVER~ - it will fall apart. in exactly the same way every other distro did.

19:02:15 ben_vulpes: seems like a similar approach to what trb and eulora are doing

19:02:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85005 @ 0.00061333 = 52.1361 BTC [-] {3}

19:02:37 ascii_field: imho ^ is doomed on account of video boards

19:02:47 ascii_field: at least the 'nail down' part is

19:03:11 ascii_field: N years from now, they will be forced to permit crapolade that does not exist at this moment

19:03:20 ascii_field: or face the choice of asking players to buy vintage cards

19:03:22 ben_vulpes: i imagined a path the other night where chetty actually stopped maintaining her owhn client

19:03:33 ben_vulpes: in favor of a few different text based ones

19:03:48 ascii_field: l0l text-based

19:03:56 ascii_field: what, it'll be a '80s mud ?

19:04:06 ben_vulpes: what did eve need graphics for?

19:04:24 ascii_field: ask mircea_popescu, who paid a pretty penny to commission the graphics

19:04:47 ascii_field: and who, if the screenshots on his www are anything to go on, is playing the video version

19:05:21 ben_vulpes: i think you misunderstand the question.

19:05:24 ben_vulpes: eve, the game.

19:05:29 ben_vulpes: arguably needed nographics.

19:05:49 ben_vulpes: in fact those who run its economy rarely even leave the spreadsheets

19:05:54 trinque: if I'm taking this on I'm hesitant to use someone else's tool

19:05:55 ben_vulpes: "spreadsheets in space" (tm)

19:06:07 ben_vulpes: trinque: more for consideration

19:06:10 trinque: I am doing more or less what's described there

19:06:26 mod6: <+ben_vulpes> twould please him no end to see test reports coming in from that platform << certainly let me know how it goes. yeah, might have issues with rotor on there. I'm still sync'ing my obsd bitcoind build (patched up through -verifyall).

19:06:56 danielpbarron: i play the video version; it's not so bad

19:07:13 danielpbarron: but at the moment, most of the things I do, do not require seeing the 3d world

19:07:47 danielpbarron: in the future i imagine there will be epic battles between guilds or whatever, and in that case the 3d world will be necessary

19:08:43 ben_vulpes: if i recall the con3-versations on the topic, pve's the real game

19:08:49 ben_vulpes: all ps vs the e

19:09:03 ben_vulpes: but who knows

19:09:32 danielpbarron: what is that? player vs everyone?

19:09:41 ben_vulpes: players vs environment

19:09:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00061558 = 24.3154 BTC [+]

19:10:03 danielpbarron: i'm pretty sure there's going to also be PvP

19:10:06 ben_vulpes: grues becoime valueable, everyone goes for them, hunts into extinction, their prey emerges

19:10:08 ben_vulpes: myeah

19:10:23 ben_vulpes: i just recall faint intimations that it wasn't quite the focus as it is in eve or wow

19:10:37 ben_vulpes: how then to hold territory i guess is a question

19:10:39 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

19:10:43 ben_vulpes: i have no idea, disregard

19:10:55 danielpbarron: understandable, as PvP only makes sense when the first 'M' in MMO becomes reality

19:11:01 trinque: seems an environment to learn how to think in terms of economics

19:11:04 trinque: economic survival game

19:11:24 trinque: within that category both pve and pvp make sense

19:11:25 danielpbarron: yes it is that first and foremost as is any accurate simulation of human life

19:11:28 trinque: player-vs-life

19:11:33 trinque: danielpbarron: indeed

19:12:10 danielpbarron: there are like.. 12 players right now. wouldn't make much sense for us to start killing each other (not that death has been implemented yet)

19:12:37 danielpbarron: speaking of which, come get your subsidized-by-no-death freebees in bare-handed gathering while it lasts

19:13:07 danielpbarron: every /explore is a chance to get $MAXINT (no, seriously)

19:14:55 trinque: maybe when I win at gentoo rpg

19:15:50 ben_vulpes: remember

19:16:00 ben_vulpes: gentoo rpg is now just a subquest of bitcoinrpg

19:16:15 *: danielpbarron plays eulora on gentoo

19:17:14 trinque: ben_vulpes: yar

19:17:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112900 @ 0.00060557 = 68.3689 BTC [-] {7}

19:17:51 trinque: bitcoin, the magnetic field pulling all iron filaments into alignment

19:18:40 chetty: <ben_vulpes> in favor of a few different text based ones//I like it

19:19:38 ben_vulpes: in other news, americans still can't manage: https://open.bufferapp.com/self-management-hierarchy/

19:19:39 assbot: What We Got Wrong About Self-Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwrscp )

19:19:51 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: that's the best time to kill each other. don't you play minecraft?

19:20:03 danielpbarron: used to play minecraft

19:20:14 danielpbarron: i played on MCPVP, the most hardcore pvp server there was

19:20:29 danielpbarron: specialized in tracking down bases and selling the coordinates to raid parties

19:21:00 danielpbarron: few things in this world more satisfying then pwning someone's loot stash

19:21:02 trinque: ben_vulpes: "seeking a flat structure was a misperception of what self-management means" << wahahahaha

19:21:24 trinque: our solution was to redefine the word!

19:21:44 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: you ever play a tale in the desert?

19:21:55 danielpbarron: i don't know what that is, so no

19:22:26 thestringpuller: http://www.atitd.com/

19:22:41 danielpbarron: hahha yeah right i'm gonna play some game that isn't eulora

19:22:59 danielpbarron: until recently i had given up on computer gaming completely

19:23:41 thestringpuller: lol. playing a game isn't a requisite for reading about it?

19:24:18 thestringpuller: iirc chetty said it was an inspiration.

19:25:15 danielpbarron: ah, actually i may have actually tried this

19:25:17 danielpbarron: long ago

19:42:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58385 @ 0.00060369 = 35.2464 BTC [-]

19:50:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23585 @ 0.00060369 = 14.238 BTC [-]

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22:12:13 *: jurov beacme involuntary participant in underhanded C contest

22:12:42 jurov: http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-07.log.html#t22:05:56

22:12:43 assbot: #Eulora log for Friday, 2015-08-07 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dwer60 )

22:25:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118000 @ 0.00057821 = 68.2288 BTC [-] {7}

22:26:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36807 @ 0.00057059 = 21.0017 BTC [-] {2}

22:35:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.0005706 = 9.1581 BTC [+] {3}

22:38:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229424 << well wadda ya waiting for

22:38:54 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 18:12:58; ben_vulpes: i'd not mind learning a bit more about the thing so's i can have some fun automating it

22:40:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229433 << it's pearly :D

22:40:14 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 18:13:49; ascii_field: mircea_popescu, mod6, ben_vulpes, et al: diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|\+\+\+)/{s="sha512sum \"" $2 "\" 2>/dev/null " | getline x; if (s) { split(x, a, " "); o = a[1]; } else {o = "false";} print $0 " " o} !m { print $0 }'

22:40:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229455 << yes.

22:40:45 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 18:44:44; gernika: General question - is there value in continuing to test stator, and future versions of it, on OpenBSD? Or should I abandon that and just test on Gentoo from now on?

22:41:01 mircea_popescu: the criteria for being "ba canonical os" is for it to fucking work, not for it to be fucking unique.

22:43:37 trinque: I have put some work into this today. I converted mod6's guide to a script which builds a bootable root.img

22:43:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229495 << hey, there was no problem asking players to buy specified cards for 20 yeasrs, and telling players "You can't play for lack of specified card"

22:43:44 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:03:20; ascii_field: or face the choice of asking players to buy vintage cards

22:43:46 trinque: used lilo too

22:43:48 mircea_popescu: THIS NEED NOT CHANGE.

22:43:55 mircea_popescu: except, fuck "progress". learn tradition.,

22:44:03 mircea_popescu: you want to play, get a real card. FROM THE PAST.

22:44:12 mircea_popescu: breakage is breakage. we're doing it.

22:44:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0005706 = 5.1925 BTC [+]

22:44:28 trinque: mircea_popescu: thought here is to image a USB drive, and have that thing be able to push-button image a computer it has booted

22:44:29 chetty: nest we will need a time machine

22:44:52 trinque: iso's easily done too

22:44:53 mircea_popescu: chetty no. the "use specified card, spec=future" thing is braindamaged. nobody has cards from the future.

22:45:01 mircea_popescu: the "use specified card, spec = p[ast" is sustainable.

22:45:11 mircea_popescu: cards from the past were made, and therefore can be made. period and full fucking stop.

22:45:19 mircea_popescu: break the entire usian industry that relies on "new".

22:45:31 chetty: ok, time machine to go in the past and retieve useable cards ..

22:45:36 mircea_popescu: no more of that. all the way down to the bedrock.

22:45:53 mircea_popescu: if they were dumb enough to lose the recipes, they'll have to reimplement based on our os.

22:46:30 mircea_popescu: this "progress" bullshit is dumb and must die. there's nothing in the future but a buggy, half assed, stupid reimplementation of the past.

22:46:49 mircea_popescu: and no, technology doesn't "change everything". technology changes nothing and never did.

22:47:25 chetty: well cars smell better than horses

22:47:31 mircea_popescu: do they now.

22:47:35 mircea_popescu: i never heard of horse smog.

22:47:52 mircea_popescu: "Error : Your videocard is not old enough for you to be here. Get an older videocard and come back". this is what i wish to see.

22:47:55 mircea_popescu: ubiquitously.

22:49:51 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229602 I like this philosophy

22:49:51 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:45:19; mircea_popescu: break the entire usian industry that relies on "new".

22:50:13 jurov: hardware does break down.... will mircea_popescu take over chinese factories to manufacture old stuff?

22:51:01 trinque: problem to worry about when the metric shitloads of old hardware available everywhere vanish

22:51:03 danielpbarron: i bought this laptop (the one on which I play Eulora) specifically for its video card; at the time I needed to be able to play Dota and minecraft on linux

22:51:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123200 @ 0.00057021 = 70.2499 BTC [-] {6}

22:51:51 trinque: scrap shop nearby has entirely passable computers for 50 bucks

22:52:30 mircea_popescu: jurov yes.

22:53:09 mircea_popescu: will you take over the writing of your language and write stuff jurov ?

22:53:14 mircea_popescu: da fuck question is this.

22:53:22 mircea_popescu: i'm not twelve.

22:53:41 mircea_popescu: if i'm not taking it over, who the fuck is, "the state" ? aliens ? chtulhu ?

22:53:48 mircea_popescu: i ain't waiting for jwz to wake up.

22:54:22 mircea_popescu: i'll take over the us fed and run it from right here, and if there's nobody else i'll take over fucking china silicon and run it from right here too. what in the ever loving fuck.

22:55:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229496 << eulora client is actually community maintained. always has been.

22:55:33 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:03:22; ben_vulpes: i imagined a path the other night where chetty actually stopped maintaining her owhn client

22:55:40 mircea_popescu: and there's no particular intention for there to only be one.

22:56:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229502 << i am, and i did, and i see no problem with any of this. you may go to a museum whether you wish to take notes or draw copies, why should anyone care ? "oh but the statues were expensive to make, how dare you write abnout them, you should draw! el minimo respeto!!11" ??

22:56:52 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:04:47; ascii_field: and who, if the screenshots on his www are anything to go on, is playing the video version

22:58:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229524 << not at all the case. it's just not implemented yet, but otherwise, add "permadeath" and "universal pvp" see what it comes to.

22:58:27 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:10:23; ben_vulpes: i just recall faint intimations that it wasn't quite the focus as it is in eve or wow

22:58:50 mircea_popescu: for that matter, eulora is not pve, it's evp. in point of fact player activity will attract environment challenges. you build a house, ogres come to it sort of thing.

22:59:08 mircea_popescu: so it's not that it's not "pvp based" it's more that even its pve is really pvp by another name.

23:00:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229535 < < yeah fact is the players are yet very poor - plenty of items haven't even been crafted yet, most types of claims haven't been found etc. it's cooperative necessarily, like stranded people on an island/plane crash site don't exactly start bvuilding forts and playing war.

23:00:52 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:12:10; danielpbarron: there are like.. 12 players right now. wouldn't make much sense for us to start killing each other (not that death has been implemented yet)

23:01:08 mircea_popescu: so not yet really implemented. but... the shadows await, all around, every night. and in the shadows, the grues...

23:02:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229558 << ;lol this guy

23:02:25 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 19:22:41; danielpbarron: hahha yeah right i'm gonna play some game that isn't eulora

23:04:29 mircea_popescu: https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/6a3f639cbbdd78bf333d09b73bcdca3c?s=96&d=mm&r=g << this dude's deeply retarded srsly.

23:04:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MSXXaX )

23:04:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00057639 = 19.3091 BTC [+]

23:04:43 mircea_popescu: if he iomagines that screeching pile of a failure mode is "lessons learned" and whatnot...

23:05:18 mircea_popescu: "we make doing nothing on vc money less painful emotionally and so cvould you!"

23:05:34 mircea_popescu: i'd rather read about flies fuck

23:05:44 mircea_popescu: (in a jar, in a lab, in which someone put glucose. of course.)

23:07:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66750 @ 0.00057639 = 38.474 BTC [+]

23:15:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51247 @ 0.00059956 = 30.7257 BTC [+] {4}

23:16:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71137 @ 0.00059959 = 42.653 BTC [+]

23:18:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97200 @ 0.00058846 = 57.1983 BTC [-]

23:23:11 mircea_popescu: trinque ubuntu folks had the process down pat for their thing, which is how i even ended up recommending it, briefly.

23:23:15 mircea_popescu: sadly, it did it for ubuntu.

23:23:40 trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm close; show ya something tomorrow

23:24:09 trinque: and if there are suggestions on different libc, etc., should be very easy to change

23:25:10 mircea_popescu: doing what, glibc gentoo ?

23:25:20 trinque: yep, but could just as well be musl

23:25:28 mircea_popescu: and cli only ?

23:25:41 trinque: I am open to offering options like the openbsd installer for say X, other things

23:25:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97400 @ 0.00059967 = 58.4079 BTC [+] {3}

23:26:05 mircea_popescu: should probably include an x and a sound, at least eventually.

23:26:13 trinque: for sure

23:26:18 mircea_popescu: i mean, where you headed with this maybe im confused. is this noob system ?

23:26:25 trinque: yep, noob system

23:26:28 trinque: response to my interaction with n6

23:26:52 mircea_popescu: yeah. someone who deeply understands emacs could write a 100 page READABLE! INTERESTING! EMPOWERING! guide to emacs for it.

23:26:56 trinque: and that's been the rub I think; what's the answer for a developer that shows up, and what's the answer for someone that wants to turn his life around

23:27:02 mircea_popescu: but i fucking mean poetry, do not drone on like tech people do.

23:27:38 mircea_popescu: all sorts of fun, useful & profitable derivations can be hooked on. good idea.

23:29:02 mircea_popescu: was there a "lisp for 12 yos" anywhere ?

23:29:18 trinque: I once read The Little Schemer, wasn't bad

23:29:35 mircea_popescu: i don't recall if we like or loathe scheme

23:29:37 mircea_popescu: !s scheme

23:29:38 assbot: 506 results for 'scheme' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scheme

23:30:34 trinque: whereas CL appears to value completeness, scheme heads for the minimal set of primitives from which higher functionality can be derived

23:30:39 mircea_popescu: i guess we like it.

23:30:40 trinque: latter seems appropriate for a student

23:30:43 mircea_popescu: aha.

23:31:33 *: trinque departs for a bit

23:32:25 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/c9d4ff83a823627155ae18cd303fc8fe/tumblr_ne67eaH7DB1soaauko1_1280.jpg

23:32:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwZ3TC )

23:38:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58017 @ 0.00060262 = 34.9622 BTC [+] {4}

23:41:08 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229582 << if meant 'perly', i welcome suggestions of how it could be made less so. but - the incantation works. i encourage folks to try it. presently investigating how to re-sign things while preserving all timestamps.

23:41:08 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:40:14; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229433 << it's pearly :D

23:41:27 mircea_popescu: i am ALSO just ribbing you.

23:42:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229596 << i've been making something quite like this. (see last bullet in aug.'15 s.nsa broadcast for summary)

23:42:19 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:44:28; trinque: mircea_popescu: thought here is to image a USB drive, and have that thing be able to push-button image a computer it has booted

23:42:42 mircea_popescu: so work together eh ?

23:42:55 mircea_popescu: help the guy draw the spec document and then let him do it, free a hand

23:43:51 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229616 << laugh, but this is happening. esp. concerning gpu: several whole generations of nvidia products suffer from the dreaded bga ball defect, and have strictly limited lifespan.

23:43:51 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 22:51:01; trinque: problem to worry about when the metric shitloads of old hardware available everywhere vanish

23:44:25 asciilifeform: the vendors are insistent that this is no longer happening, but there is strong reason to not believe this any more than anything else that ever came out of their mouths

23:44:33 asciilifeform: possibly 'rohs'/leadfree solder are at fault

23:44:38 asciilifeform: and nobody cancelled them or is about to

23:44:51 asciilifeform: (even cn is mostly unleaded now, in response to eu pressure)

23:46:28 mircea_popescu: if it takes crushing the eu, the eu will be crushed.

23:46:35 mircea_popescu: anything it takes.

23:46:43 mircea_popescu: the "new" bullshit is going away.

23:47:47 shinohai: dat ass mp

23:47:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229671 << i own the whole series (all but the idiot java volume.) some of'em coloured by old gf, even. just last week got the latest 'little prover' in the post!

23:47:49 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 23:29:18; trinque: I once read The Little Schemer, wasn't bad

23:47:55 mircea_popescu: fortunately this is a point that won't take a second pass to explain to the chinese. or, for the most part, to the russians.

23:48:25 asciilifeform: aha

23:48:59 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229680 << woah, posh private lane.

23:48:59 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 23:32:25; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/c9d4ff83a823627155ae18cd303fc8fe/tumblr_ne67eaH7DB1soaauko1_1280.jpg

23:49:01 *: asciilifeform envious

23:49:20 asciilifeform: acoustic lining, even

23:49:22 mircea_popescu: i thought this is how ranges are ?!

23:49:28 mircea_popescu: how the fuck else ?

23:49:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ahahahahahaha not here.

23:49:33 asciilifeform: bare cement.

23:49:36 mircea_popescu: ...

23:49:41 asciilifeform: *blam* *ears pop*

23:49:43 mircea_popescu: wait.

23:49:50 mircea_popescu: is that even legal ?

23:50:01 mircea_popescu: afaik it's "wood or lining, no third option"

23:50:13 asciilifeform: ubiquitous, sop

23:50:17 mircea_popescu: wait.

23:50:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85735 @ 0.00058843 = 50.449 BTC [-] {4}

23:50:28 mircea_popescu: the fucktards in north america build out of wood what they should make out of cement

23:50:32 asciilifeform: (in the locales in usa where shooting galleries are even a thing)

23:50:37 mircea_popescu: AND THEN make out of cement the one thing you must make out of wood ?

23:51:26 asciilifeform: also it is not uncommon for visitors to stand so close, they elbow one another

23:51:52 mircea_popescu: by now you're really better off with some cans out in the field.

23:52:03 asciilifeform: those who have a field nearby - do only this!

23:52:09 asciilifeform: indoor galleries are for city folk

23:52:30 mircea_popescu: well, it's hard to improve your aim with the cans. proper ranges have electronic measures

23:52:47 asciilifeform: cans have analogue 'measure' (falls down or not)

23:52:53 mircea_popescu: ya but...

23:53:02 mircea_popescu: how do you go from 99 to 99.9

23:53:02 asciilifeform: there are also 'fancy' targets that jump up and down when hit

23:53:09 asciilifeform: folks with outdoor space often use those.

23:53:21 mircea_popescu: but not really arbitrarily small ? also not convenient to keep moving sizes of items

23:53:43 asciilifeform: http://www.rivercottagetables.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/Target3.12893624_std.jpg << example

23:53:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS2W9W )

23:54:07 mircea_popescu: check out the shooting caltrop

23:54:14 asciilifeform: aha, bestseller

23:54:29 mircea_popescu: i suppose another way would be to cut holes in cardboard and shoot through the hole.

23:54:33 asciilifeform: http://g01.s.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1VYB0FVXXXXccXpXXq6xXFXXXN/200673464/HTB1VYB0FVXXXXccXpXXq6xXFXXXN.jpg << another common variant

23:54:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JS30qk )

23:54:35 asciilifeform: gongs

23:59:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229675 << complicated. scheme is an example of a 'suckless movement' that didn't catch on. that is, 'throw out all the legacy crud', but after that the thing has to be inhabited. if not inhabited, then dies young, while leaving, yes, beautiful corpse

23:59:27 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 23:30:34; trinque: whereas CL appears to value completeness, scheme heads for the minimal set of primitives from which higher functionality can be derived