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Transcript for 07-08-2017, 229 lines:

01:07:08 r0nin-: popescu still hang here?

04:55:51 punkman: http://www.thedailybeast.com/why-is-the-kremlin-suddenly-obsessed-with-cryptocurrencies

04:56:11 punkman: " a startup recently raised nearly $4 million in an “initial coin offering” (think IPO) to begin manufacturing zirconium in Magnitogorsk, Russia. Each “ZrCoin,” issued by the company represents 1 kilogram of synthetic zirconium."

05:07:08 punkman: http://www.dw.com/en/airbnb-dominated-by-professional-landlords/a-39972379

05:07:08 assbot: Airbnb dominated by professional landlords | Germany | DW | 04.08.2017 ... ( http://bit.ly/2uyjGhM )

05:09:33 punkman: was looking at local airbnb listings, full of hotels and other pros that weren't there last summer

05:10:03 punkman: I guess by next year it will be identical to booking.com

05:13:00 punkman: "Some 60 public officials are tasked with policing Berlin's ban, with the power to impose fines for violations, and, according to Dietl, the ban has been successful: 2,500 former vacation apartments were put back into the regular rental market by the end of last year. Dietl says this is important. "

09:07:02 punkman: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/12

09:07:04 assbot: Time for a serious look at Proof of Work change · Issue #12 · monero-project/research-lab · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/2uyG8XT )

09:09:54 pankkake: "GPUs don't suffer this problem since GPU hijack would be very obvious on PCs"… but you can still rent them for a short term attack

09:10:33 pankkake: "Switch to something really asic friendly like Blake, Skein or Keccak (which we use already), lowering the costs for asic miners to join the game and letting the market deal with it" would be smart

09:10:40 punkman: lol https://twitter.com/craigtimpany/status/894441270940127234

09:10:40 assbot: Craig Timpany sur Twitter : "@FioraAeterna User stories: - Jenny is a technical user who wants to adjust her HDD's power saving options. - Saruman thirsts for destruction." ... ( http://bit.ly/2uywIMh )

09:11:15 punkman: pankkake: dunno that making it slightly cheaper makes any difference

09:34:46 pankkake: ;;diffchange

09:34:47 gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | None % based on data since last change | 9.44162 % based on data for last three days

10:07:38 pankkake: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=17/08/06/1518241

10:07:40 assbot: China's Ageing Solar Panels Are Going to be a Big Environmental Problem - SoylentNews ... ( http://bit.ly/2ui44U8 )

11:54:01 punkman: https://twitter.com/jonbir90/status/893947320554881024

11:54:03 assbot: Jon Birchall sur Twitter : "The fastest 100m times ever. Those caught doping struck out in red. https://t.co/gBGmj9VwLr" ... ( http://bit.ly/2uhCPJw )

12:01:53 kakobrekla: https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/101

12:01:54 assbot: Fork address versions · Issue #101 · btc1/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/2uimUdZ )

12:10:15 pankkake: so they're planning to have a fork again, instead of seeking for miner consensus?

12:14:34 kakobrekla: apparently core devs dont want to fork thats why we are getting a fork

12:15:16 pankkake: and assuming the fork with the changed addresses wins, what a nightmare to update everything

12:16:16 pankkake: vanity addresses like 1337... will be worthless!

12:19:45 kakobrekla: lol

13:24:41 jurov: "A solar panel contains metals such as lead and copper and also has an aluminium frame. The solar cells are made up of pure, crystallised silicon wrapped under a thick layer of plastic membrane for protection." VEEERY TOXIC!!!!111

13:25:02 jurov: punkman: why do you link such shit?

13:25:14 jurov: oops sorry pankkake

13:26:18 jurov: and some renewables use life-threatening amounts of dihydrogen monoxide, too!

14:49:46 punkman: lots of aging infrastructure in china

14:50:11 punkman: solar panels seem pretty benign indeed

14:51:19 kakobrekla: well

14:51:28 kakobrekla: they dont build things to last for too long

14:51:38 kakobrekla: prolly 10x less than yurop

14:52:00 kakobrekla: better to go cheap now and tore it down in a few years and replace with new

14:52:12 punkman: keeps the economy moving eh

14:52:25 punkman: at the same time they are way better at recycling/repair than europe

14:54:19 kakobrekla: i guess yea

14:54:38 kakobrekla: im just waiting when the local dump site will start charging me to bring in stuff and to take stuff out

14:54:54 kakobrekla: because now both is free and this is just not how yurop worx

14:56:09 kakobrekla: actually im not convinced they are better at recycling

14:56:58 kakobrekla: there might be existing poor-mans-economy where they dig through the trash and try to extract a few cents out of it

14:57:12 kakobrekla: but idk if that counts as 'better at recycling'

14:57:55 kakobrekla: the US export of trash to CN for recycling cant be counted as 'CN is better at recycling'

14:58:33 punkman: it's not just US, they import a lot of trash

14:58:50 pankkake: sometimes, you can even get paid for recycling

14:58:51 punkman: and it's not just burning the pvc of cables to get the copper

14:58:59 pankkake: like printer cartridges

14:59:27 punkman: there's an EU company that extracts a lot of gold from e-waste

14:59:57 pankkake: what about gold from dead people? :^)

15:00:07 punkman: gypsies have that market cornered

15:05:31 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the dump is 1 game usa is 'ahead' in : i was many times kicked out of the junkyard for takin'shit

15:05:38 asciilifeform: it is Officially Verboten

15:06:02 asciilifeform: ( bringing, however, is free -- so long as it is valuables, like a comp, rather than rubbish, like old motor oil )

15:09:23 kakobrekla: sucks

15:09:32 kakobrekla: i can bring anything and take anything

15:09:49 asciilifeform: nice.

15:10:01 kakobrekla: dont know how long its gonna last tho

15:10:43 kakobrekla: it has been so since i was a kid, i recall going to the dump to get them small radiators you find in the car

15:11:01 kakobrekla: the ones that are used to heat air going into the interior

15:11:23 kakobrekla: lada had a very good ones to use with pc water cooling

15:11:31 asciilifeform: i used one from toyota

15:11:37 asciilifeform: ( the big one, not the heater coil )

15:11:42 pankkake: French people were doing that too, I forgot which car was the most popular

15:11:57 kakobrekla: this was before you could buy radiators made for this purpose in the shop

15:12:31 asciilifeform: i have yet to see an adequately sized one (i.e. for pure convection, 0 fan , use) sold purpose-made for comp

15:12:32 kakobrekla: https://static.slo-tech.com/4463.jpg

15:12:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2uzxFUw )

15:12:47 punkman: https://lotos.network/

15:12:48 assbot: Lotos Network ... ( http://bit.ly/2uz1jtd )

15:13:11 punkman: "The World's First Decentralized Spiritual Community" with a whitepaper

15:13:20 asciilifeform: 'The LOTOS.network project aims to create a complete ecosystem for Buddhist and secular meditation on the Ethereum blockchain' lol!!

15:13:33 pankkake: http://www.procooling.com/reviews/assets/images/joe-rru1-BM1.jpg

15:13:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2uzG1vo )

15:14:02 pankkake: the Big Momma, from the Opel Corsa, or better, the Twingo

15:14:25 pankkake: sad to see most links go to dead websites

15:14:38 kakobrekla: i dont think water cooling is still game since i discovered 'be quiet' fans

15:14:44 kakobrekla: any pump will be louder than that.

15:14:51 asciilifeform: i've been using kakobreklan fans for year+ nao

15:15:12 asciilifeform: they work. but i still can hear'em. and the filter still collects dust, needs washing, etc

15:15:30 kakobrekla: go out to a few rave parties

15:15:33 asciilifeform: and the blades no longer look virginal, and compressor dun blow off all the shit

15:15:33 kakobrekla: you wont hear them any more

15:15:37 punkman: lol

15:15:46 pankkake: asciilifeform: Zalman used to sell the "Reserator" http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products/xl/002114.jpg

15:15:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2uzojZ7 )

15:16:11 asciilifeform: zalman also had a really nice pure-convection case, 'tnn'

15:16:29 kakobrekla: what rpm you spinning them at?

15:16:31 asciilifeform: i saw one secondhand several times in past decade, but did not buy, because limited to 400W and 1cpusocket

15:16:43 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: slow, 1000 i think, i have the big ones

15:16:48 kakobrekla: hahah

15:16:51 kakobrekla: 1000.

15:16:53 *: kakobrekla 200

15:17:06 asciilifeform: tried going lower, but i have 500w of opteron in there.

15:17:10 asciilifeform: and pretty warm room as it is.

15:17:15 kakobrekla: yeah well at 1k you gonna hear them for sure

15:17:28 kakobrekla: but still much quieter than anything else

15:17:48 kakobrekla: as for dust idk i dont bother with that shit, occasionally clean up the filters thats it

15:18:05 asciilifeform: more than anything else i've tried, that's tru

15:18:12 asciilifeform: i dun like taking the box down.

15:18:13 pankkake: my case has a pretty good filtering, and I can clean the filter without shutting down

15:18:15 asciilifeform: for whatever reason.

15:18:25 pankkake: the insides are not very dusty in result

15:18:27 asciilifeform: pankkake: yeah but that doesn't clean the fans themselves

15:18:33 kakobrekla: i can do it while machine is on

15:18:34 asciilifeform: they still collect cruft, even with filters

15:18:46 pankkake: sure… but not much

15:19:36 kakobrekla: just got an email from slovenian finance magazine lol

15:19:48 asciilifeform: somehow enough to constrict airflow, temp shoots up ( is why i took the box down for cleaning eventually, and then had to swap blown caps when it came back up.. )

15:19:55 kakobrekla: "you cant buy anything with BTC in NYC, not food, not transport, its useless!!"

15:20:03 kakobrekla: they claim.

15:20:26 asciilifeform: i was in nyc recently, the shops didn't take gold dubloons either, sc4mm3rz!1111

15:20:51 kakobrekla: i would venture to guess btc is accepted at more sh0ps on nyc than eur

15:21:17 kakobrekla: even thought its like going to pick up your kids to kindergarten with a tank

15:21:22 kakobrekla: just walk motherfuckers.

15:21:35 kakobrekla: though*

15:21:44 pankkake: http://www.overclock.net/t/1219634/positive-air-pressure-what-you-need-to-know-to-keep-your-pc-clean-and-happy <= I don't know how real this is

15:21:45 assbot: Positive Air Pressure - What you need to know to keep your PC clean and happy! ... ( http://bit.ly/2uzpSGt )

15:21:57 kakobrekla: yeah mine is positive

15:22:16 pankkake: mine too I suppose given the number of fans (though not sure about their speed)

15:23:28 asciilifeform: all i want is a box with fins, like mains transformer. 0 airflow ~inside~. but for some reason this is not available for any amount of dough

15:23:31 asciilifeform: anywhere

15:23:43 asciilifeform: not for a serious mobo, at any rate

15:24:08 asciilifeform: and no, liquids are not the answer, either.

15:24:29 pankkake: hmm I think I've seen something by a French company, a cube, but quite underpowered

15:24:42 asciilifeform: pankkake: it is very very easy with underpowered (<200w) boxes

15:27:26 pankkake: I like fans, as I've solved my problem by putting the computer in another room than me

15:27:42 pankkake: http://www.modding.fr/streacom-db4-un-cube-fanless/ that was it

15:27:48 assbot: Streacom DB4 : un cube fanless | modding.fr ... ( http://bit.ly/2uzJHNI )

15:27:52 asciilifeform: this doesn't solve the never-cleaning problem

15:28:26 asciilifeform: pankkake: yeah that looks like a microatx

15:28:37 asciilifeform: i have a eatx.

15:28:50 asciilifeform: and intend to have same one more or less until i die

15:28:57 asciilifeform: ( i now have a stockpile of replacements )

15:29:23 asciilifeform: 2 x 150W (cpu dies alone)

15:29:28 asciilifeform: of heat.

15:29:35 asciilifeform: + the rest of it.

15:29:36 pankkake: http://www.streacom.com/products/fc10-alpha-fanless-chassis/ that one is atx, but eatx are usually for monstruous power so…

15:29:37 assbot: FC10 Alpha Fanless Chassis | Streacom ... ( http://bit.ly/2uz5Hsb )

15:29:43 pankkake: what are they, opterons?

15:29:50 asciilifeform: opterons

15:30:21 asciilifeform: pankkake: i think i actually have a box with that chassis , somewhere

15:30:34 asciilifeform: worx ok for ultralowpower items like amd g-series

15:30:36 pankkake: https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/kgpe-d16.html I suppose

15:30:37 assbot: Libreboot – ASUS KGPE-D16 server/workstation board ... ( http://bit.ly/2uzCDk5 )

15:31:05 asciilifeform: pankkake: i have a very similar tyan

15:31:26 pankkake: 256gb max ram not bad

15:31:53 pankkake: and plenty of pci-e

15:32:51 pankkake: sata2 and not sata3 though

15:33:03 asciilifeform: i use pcie raid card anyway

15:33:09 asciilifeform: so dun care what's soldered on the mb

15:35:25 punkman: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-07/shkreli-s-delight-and-crypto-karma

15:35:26 assbot: Shkreli's Delight and Crypto Karma - Bloomberg ... ( http://bit.ly/2uieovI )

15:35:30 punkman: Shkreli's lead lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, told a group of journalists, "I hope tomorrow's reports inform the public that Martin Shkreli went to trial and despite being Martin Shkreli he won more than he lost."

15:41:33 pankkake: Instead of a series of frauds ending in fraud, the jury viewed Shkreli's career as a string of frauds ending in wild and legitimate success

15:41:59 pankkake: I guess sometimes it works but it's going to give people bad ideas

15:42:42 kakobrekla: l0l

15:50:18 punkman: http://chinafilminsider.com/headlines-from-china-netflix-to-produce-first-chinese-language-original-series/

15:50:19 assbot: Headlines from China: Netflix Announces Chinese Language Series | CFI ... ( http://bit.ly/2uiU9Oc )

15:50:47 punkman: time to buy NFLX?

15:51:14 kakobrekla: china will grow larger. ~ C&C Dozer

15:51:25 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, achtung FUCGOATS users ( at least 2 live here known to me ) : price reduced

15:51:47 kakobrekla: dont you wanna target people who dont have them yet rather?

15:51:53 kakobrekla: theres more of those.

15:51:54 kakobrekla: :)

15:52:11 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: them too, sure.

15:52:29 kakobrekla: you are reducing price because btc changed gear?

15:52:45 asciilifeform: production cost is denominated in usd

15:52:56 asciilifeform: can afford to reduce price nao.

15:55:01 pankkake: I still haven't touched mine

15:55:17 kakobrekla: lol

15:55:24 asciilifeform: pankkake: i recommend to at least do the basic test

15:55:57 asciilifeform: pankkake: out of curiosity, why didja buy it , if not used ?

15:56:02 kakobrekla: i wonder when they will become a 'collectors item'

15:56:26 pankkake: like most hardware I buy, because it might not be available later

15:57:05 pankkake: wanted some hardware rng for years, anyway

15:57:38 kakobrekla: i bought hw for another comp a year ago, still in original boxes in the corner :(

15:58:15 pankkake: I sold a usb bitcoin miner for 5€ last year… iirc it cost 1 BTC

15:58:32 kakobrekla: you dont realize the loss if you dont sell!!

15:58:46 pankkake: kept the other one in case it becomes a collector's item :)

15:59:07 kakobrekla: speaking of collectibles anyone wanna buy mtgox yubikey? :D

15:59:24 pankkake: it's mtgox branded?

15:59:27 kakobrekla: yes

15:59:29 pankkake: nice

16:01:34 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/WIxuUtS.jpg

16:01:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2uiXcpC )

16:02:35 pankkake: the first Bitcoin museum would probably be interested

16:03:04 kakobrekla: i think i have a cas coin also somewhere

16:03:09 kakobrekla: i mean, filled, unused

16:04:12 kakobrekla: o shit that thing has bcc on it now!

16:04:23 kakobrekla: prolly also clam lol

16:04:35 kakobrekla: megabuxx

16:05:30 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: FG prolly isn't a serious 'collector's item' even after i'm dead, because it is (deliberately) very easy to copy.

16:05:45 kakobrekla: so what

16:05:57 kakobrekla: you can have a perfect pixel copy of picasso

16:05:58 kakobrekla: worth 0

16:06:07 pankkake: oh I forgot about CLAM

16:06:09 asciilifeform: if it were a perfect copy, all picasso would be worth ~0

16:06:25 kakobrekla: its perfect enough that experts have hard time telling the diff

16:06:25 asciilifeform: as it is, some folx are reasonably confident they can tell'em apart, neh.

16:06:32 kakobrekla: let alone 'regular folx'

16:07:14 asciilifeform: tru

16:07:20 asciilifeform: they do often resort to 'pedigree' derping

16:07:22 kakobrekla: the collectibles are not limited to 'is hard to copy'

16:16:27 punkman: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-06/madness-back-homeowners-take-out-mortgages-buy-bitcoin-cars-and-wine

16:16:28 assbot: The Madness Is Back: Homeowners Take Out Mortgages To Buy Bitcoin, Cars And Wine | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/2uiERJx )

16:17:51 asciilifeform: punkman: and, like last time, they're mostly buying goxolade (i.e. other party holds privkey) rather than btc

16:20:37 kakobrekla: its better to be flipping icos than flipping burgers ~ some guy on reddit

16:44:52 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFnpQoiXsAEB8hK.jpg

16:44:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/2uiKUOf )

16:45:28 punkman: https://twitter.com/hashtag/AwanBrothers

16:45:30 assbot: Hashtag #AwanBrothers sur Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/2uiKZBx )

16:49:18 punkman: ^also better than flipping burgers I guess

16:55:12 punkman: http://www.hindustantimes.com/travel/tourists-seeking-pop-hit-despacito-flock-to-puerto-rico-s-la-perla/story-4lomHvPIoTvkzuV3R0gJVP.html

16:55:13 assbot: Despacito effect: Puerto Rico’s La Perla is the new tourist hot spot. Here’s why | travel | Hindustan Times ... ( http://bit.ly/2ujbrLd )

17:10:20 pankkake: so the tl;dr is that the hackers are not russian but pakistani?

18:42:14 funkenstein_: https://github.com/btc1/bitcoin/issues/101 <-- not a "hard fork" as petertodd implies there. address prefixes and checksums don't live on the block chain

18:42:16 assbot: Fork address versions · Issue #101 · btc1/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/2uimUdZ )

18:44:56 kakobrekla: lol that thread is lulzy

18:45:09 kakobrekla: "Core is the one leaving consensus."

18:45:14 kakobrekla: "Core isn't forking at the moment."

18:45:20 kakobrekla: aka 'NO UUUU!!!'

19:03:44 pankkake: thank god for reaction icons

19:04:03 pankkake: too bad github is too pc to allow any emoji, I use the poop emoji a lot on gitlab

19:04:11 kakobrekla: bcc pemp is on looks like

20:22:48 kakobrekla: btw anyone here saved their mtgox trading history csv or something like that?