Transcript for 07-08-2017, 229 lines:
01:07:08 r0nin-: popescu still hang here?
04:56:11 punkman: " a startup recently raised nearly $4 million in an “initial coin offering” (think IPO) to begin manufacturing zirconium in Magnitogorsk, Russia. Each “ZrCoin,” issued by the company represents 1 kilogram of synthetic zirconium."
05:09:33 punkman: was looking at local airbnb listings, full of hotels and other pros that weren't there last summer
05:10:03 punkman: I guess by next year it will be identical to booking.com
05:13:00 punkman: "Some 60 public officials are tasked with policing Berlin's ban, with the power to impose fines for violations, and, according to Dietl, the ban has been successful: 2,500 former vacation apartments were put back into the regular rental market by the end of last year. Dietl says this is important. "
09:09:54 pankkake: "GPUs don't suffer this problem since GPU hijack would be very obvious on PCs"… but you can still rent them for a short term attack
09:10:33 pankkake: "Switch to something really asic friendly like Blake, Skein or Keccak (which we use already), lowering the costs for asic miners to join the game and letting the market deal with it" would be smart
09:11:15 punkman: pankkake: dunno that making it slightly cheaper makes any difference
09:34:46 pankkake: ;;diffchange
09:34:47 gribble: Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | None % based on data since last change | 9.44162 % based on data for last three days
12:10:15 pankkake: so they're planning to have a fork again, instead of seeking for miner consensus?
12:14:34 kakobrekla: apparently core devs dont want to fork thats why we are getting a fork
12:15:16 pankkake: and assuming the fork with the changed addresses wins, what a nightmare to update everything
12:16:16 pankkake: vanity addresses like 1337... will be worthless!
12:19:45 kakobrekla: lol
13:24:41 jurov: "A solar panel contains metals such as lead and copper and also has an aluminium frame. The solar cells are made up of pure, crystallised silicon wrapped under a thick layer of plastic membrane for protection." VEEERY TOXIC!!!!111
13:25:02 jurov: punkman: why do you link such shit?
13:25:14 jurov: oops sorry pankkake
13:26:18 jurov: and some renewables use life-threatening amounts of dihydrogen monoxide, too!
14:49:46 punkman: lots of aging infrastructure in china
14:50:11 punkman: solar panels seem pretty benign indeed
14:51:19 kakobrekla: well
14:51:28 kakobrekla: they dont build things to last for too long
14:51:38 kakobrekla: prolly 10x less than yurop
14:52:00 kakobrekla: better to go cheap now and tore it down in a few years and replace with new
14:52:12 punkman: keeps the economy moving eh
14:52:25 punkman: at the same time they are way better at recycling/repair than europe
14:54:19 kakobrekla: i guess yea
14:54:38 kakobrekla: im just waiting when the local dump site will start charging me to bring in stuff and to take stuff out
14:54:54 kakobrekla: because now both is free and this is just not how yurop worx
14:56:09 kakobrekla: actually im not convinced they are better at recycling
14:56:58 kakobrekla: there might be existing poor-mans-economy where they dig through the trash and try to extract a few cents out of it
14:57:12 kakobrekla: but idk if that counts as 'better at recycling'
14:57:55 kakobrekla: the US export of trash to CN for recycling cant be counted as 'CN is better at recycling'
14:58:33 punkman: it's not just US, they import a lot of trash
14:58:50 pankkake: sometimes, you can even get paid for recycling
14:58:51 punkman: and it's not just burning the pvc of cables to get the copper
14:58:59 pankkake: like printer cartridges
14:59:27 punkman: there's an EU company that extracts a lot of gold from e-waste
14:59:57 pankkake: what about gold from dead people? :^)
15:00:07 punkman: gypsies have that market cornered
15:05:31 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the dump is 1 game usa is 'ahead' in : i was many times kicked out of the junkyard for takin'shit
15:05:38 asciilifeform: it is Officially Verboten
15:06:02 asciilifeform: ( bringing, however, is free -- so long as it is valuables, like a comp, rather than rubbish, like old motor oil )
15:09:23 kakobrekla: sucks
15:09:32 kakobrekla: i can bring anything and take anything
15:09:49 asciilifeform: nice.
15:10:01 kakobrekla: dont know how long its gonna last tho
15:10:43 kakobrekla: it has been so since i was a kid, i recall going to the dump to get them small radiators you find in the car
15:11:01 kakobrekla: the ones that are used to heat air going into the interior
15:11:23 kakobrekla: lada had a very good ones to use with pc water cooling
15:11:31 asciilifeform: i used one from toyota
15:11:37 asciilifeform: ( the big one, not the heater coil )
15:11:42 pankkake: French people were doing that too, I forgot which car was the most popular
15:11:57 kakobrekla: this was before you could buy radiators made for this purpose in the shop
15:12:31 asciilifeform: i have yet to see an adequately sized one (i.e. for pure convection, 0 fan , use) sold purpose-made for comp
15:13:11 punkman: "The World's First Decentralized Spiritual Community" with a whitepaper
15:13:20 asciilifeform: 'The LOTOS.network project aims to create a complete ecosystem for Buddhist and secular meditation on the Ethereum blockchain' lol!!
15:14:02 pankkake: the Big Momma, from the Opel Corsa, or better, the Twingo
15:14:25 pankkake: sad to see most links go to dead websites
15:14:38 kakobrekla: i dont think water cooling is still game since i discovered 'be quiet' fans
15:14:44 kakobrekla: any pump will be louder than that.
15:14:51 asciilifeform: i've been using kakobreklan fans for year+ nao
15:15:12 asciilifeform: they work. but i still can hear'em. and the filter still collects dust, needs washing, etc
15:15:30 kakobrekla: go out to a few rave parties
15:15:33 asciilifeform: and the blades no longer look virginal, and compressor dun blow off all the shit
15:15:33 kakobrekla: you wont hear them any more
15:15:37 punkman: lol
15:15:46 pankkake: asciilifeform: Zalman used to sell the "Reserator" http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products/xl/002114.jpg
15:16:11 asciilifeform: zalman also had a really nice pure-convection case, 'tnn'
15:16:29 kakobrekla: what rpm you spinning them at?
15:16:31 asciilifeform: i saw one secondhand several times in past decade, but did not buy, because limited to 400W and 1cpusocket
15:16:43 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: slow, 1000 i think, i have the big ones
15:16:48 kakobrekla: hahah
15:16:51 kakobrekla: 1000.
15:16:53 *: kakobrekla 200
15:17:06 asciilifeform: tried going lower, but i have 500w of opteron in there.
15:17:10 asciilifeform: and pretty warm room as it is.
15:17:15 kakobrekla: yeah well at 1k you gonna hear them for sure
15:17:28 kakobrekla: but still much quieter than anything else
15:17:48 kakobrekla: as for dust idk i dont bother with that shit, occasionally clean up the filters thats it
15:18:05 asciilifeform: more than anything else i've tried, that's tru
15:18:12 asciilifeform: i dun like taking the box down.
15:18:13 pankkake: my case has a pretty good filtering, and I can clean the filter without shutting down
15:18:15 asciilifeform: for whatever reason.
15:18:25 pankkake: the insides are not very dusty in result
15:18:27 asciilifeform: pankkake: yeah but that doesn't clean the fans themselves
15:18:33 kakobrekla: i can do it while machine is on
15:18:34 asciilifeform: they still collect cruft, even with filters
15:18:46 pankkake: sure… but not much
15:19:36 kakobrekla: just got an email from slovenian finance magazine lol
15:19:48 asciilifeform: somehow enough to constrict airflow, temp shoots up ( is why i took the box down for cleaning eventually, and then had to swap blown caps when it came back up.. )
15:19:55 kakobrekla: "you cant buy anything with BTC in NYC, not food, not transport, its useless!!"
15:20:03 kakobrekla: they claim.
15:20:26 asciilifeform: i was in nyc recently, the shops didn't take gold dubloons either, sc4mm3rz!1111
15:20:51 kakobrekla: i would venture to guess btc is accepted at more sh0ps on nyc than eur
15:21:17 kakobrekla: even thought its like going to pick up your kids to kindergarten with a tank
15:21:22 kakobrekla: just walk motherfuckers.
15:21:35 kakobrekla: though*
15:21:44 pankkake: http://www.overclock.net/t/1219634/positive-air-pressure-what-you-need-to-know-to-keep-your-pc-clean-and-happy <= I don't know how real this is
15:21:57 kakobrekla: yeah mine is positive
15:22:16 pankkake: mine too I suppose given the number of fans (though not sure about their speed)
15:23:28 asciilifeform: all i want is a box with fins, like mains transformer. 0 airflow ~inside~. but for some reason this is not available for any amount of dough
15:23:31 asciilifeform: anywhere
15:23:43 asciilifeform: not for a serious mobo, at any rate
15:24:08 asciilifeform: and no, liquids are not the answer, either.
15:24:29 pankkake: hmm I think I've seen something by a French company, a cube, but quite underpowered
15:24:42 asciilifeform: pankkake: it is very very easy with underpowered (<200w) boxes
15:27:26 pankkake: I like fans, as I've solved my problem by putting the computer in another room than me
15:27:42 pankkake: http://www.modding.fr/streacom-db4-un-cube-fanless/ that was it
15:27:52 asciilifeform: this doesn't solve the never-cleaning problem
15:28:26 asciilifeform: pankkake: yeah that looks like a microatx
15:28:37 asciilifeform: i have a eatx.
15:28:50 asciilifeform: and intend to have same one more or less until i die
15:28:57 asciilifeform: ( i now have a stockpile of replacements )
15:29:23 asciilifeform: 2 x 150W (cpu dies alone)
15:29:28 asciilifeform: of heat.
15:29:35 asciilifeform: + the rest of it.
15:29:36 pankkake: http://www.streacom.com/products/fc10-alpha-fanless-chassis/ that one is atx, but eatx are usually for monstruous power so…
15:29:43 pankkake: what are they, opterons?
15:29:50 asciilifeform: opterons
15:30:21 asciilifeform: pankkake: i think i actually have a box with that chassis , somewhere
15:30:34 asciilifeform: worx ok for ultralowpower items like amd g-series
15:31:05 asciilifeform: pankkake: i have a very similar tyan
15:31:26 pankkake: 256gb max ram not bad
15:31:53 pankkake: and plenty of pci-e
15:32:51 pankkake: sata2 and not sata3 though
15:33:03 asciilifeform: i use pcie raid card anyway
15:33:09 asciilifeform: so dun care what's soldered on the mb
15:35:30 punkman: Shkreli's lead lawyer, Benjamin Brafman, told a group of journalists, "I hope tomorrow's reports inform the public that Martin Shkreli went to trial and despite being Martin Shkreli he won more than he lost."
15:41:33 pankkake: Instead of a series of frauds ending in fraud, the jury viewed Shkreli's career as a string of frauds ending in wild and legitimate success
15:41:59 pankkake: I guess sometimes it works but it's going to give people bad ideas
15:42:42 kakobrekla: l0l
15:50:47 punkman: time to buy NFLX?
15:51:14 kakobrekla: china will grow larger. ~ C&C Dozer
15:51:25 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, achtung FUCGOATS users ( at least 2 live here known to me ) : price reduced
15:51:47 kakobrekla: dont you wanna target people who dont have them yet rather?
15:51:53 kakobrekla: theres more of those.
15:51:54 kakobrekla: :)
15:52:11 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: them too, sure.
15:52:29 kakobrekla: you are reducing price because btc changed gear?
15:52:45 asciilifeform: production cost is denominated in usd
15:52:56 asciilifeform: can afford to reduce price nao.
15:55:01 pankkake: I still haven't touched mine
15:55:17 kakobrekla: lol
15:55:24 asciilifeform: pankkake: i recommend to at least do the basic test
15:55:57 asciilifeform: pankkake: out of curiosity, why didja buy it , if not used ?
15:56:02 kakobrekla: i wonder when they will become a 'collectors item'
15:56:26 pankkake: like most hardware I buy, because it might not be available later
15:57:05 pankkake: wanted some hardware rng for years, anyway
15:57:38 kakobrekla: i bought hw for another comp a year ago, still in original boxes in the corner :(
15:58:15 pankkake: I sold a usb bitcoin miner for 5€ last year… iirc it cost 1 BTC
15:58:32 kakobrekla: you dont realize the loss if you dont sell!!
15:58:46 pankkake: kept the other one in case it becomes a collector's item :)
15:59:07 kakobrekla: speaking of collectibles anyone wanna buy mtgox yubikey? :D
15:59:24 pankkake: it's mtgox branded?
15:59:27 kakobrekla: yes
15:59:29 pankkake: nice
16:02:35 pankkake: the first Bitcoin museum would probably be interested
16:03:04 kakobrekla: i think i have a cas coin also somewhere
16:03:09 kakobrekla: i mean, filled, unused
16:04:12 kakobrekla: o shit that thing has bcc on it now!
16:04:23 kakobrekla: prolly also clam lol
16:04:35 kakobrekla: megabuxx
16:05:30 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: FG prolly isn't a serious 'collector's item' even after i'm dead, because it is (deliberately) very easy to copy.
16:05:45 kakobrekla: so what
16:05:57 kakobrekla: you can have a perfect pixel copy of picasso
16:05:58 kakobrekla: worth 0
16:06:07 pankkake: oh I forgot about CLAM
16:06:09 asciilifeform: if it were a perfect copy, all picasso would be worth ~0
16:06:25 kakobrekla: its perfect enough that experts have hard time telling the diff
16:06:25 asciilifeform: as it is, some folx are reasonably confident they can tell'em apart, neh.
16:06:32 kakobrekla: let alone 'regular folx'
16:07:14 asciilifeform: tru
16:07:20 asciilifeform: they do often resort to 'pedigree' derping
16:07:22 kakobrekla: the collectibles are not limited to 'is hard to copy'
16:17:51 asciilifeform: punkman: and, like last time, they're mostly buying goxolade (i.e. other party holds privkey) rather than btc
16:20:37 kakobrekla: its better to be flipping icos than flipping burgers ~ some guy on reddit
16:49:18 punkman: ^also better than flipping burgers I guess
17:10:20 pankkake: so the tl;dr is that the hackers are not russian but pakistani?
18:44:56 kakobrekla: lol that thread is lulzy
18:45:09 kakobrekla: "Core is the one leaving consensus."
18:45:14 kakobrekla: "Core isn't forking at the moment."
18:45:20 kakobrekla: aka 'NO UUUU!!!'
19:03:44 pankkake: thank god for reaction icons
19:04:03 pankkake: too bad github is too pc to allow any emoji, I use the poop emoji a lot on gitlab
19:04:11 kakobrekla: bcc pemp is on looks like
20:22:48 kakobrekla: btw anyone here saved their mtgox trading history csv or something like that?