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00:09:53 BingoBoingo: Animals in captivity: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/10/06/1837237/lennart-poettering-open-source-community-quite-a-sick-place-to-be-in

00:09:54 assbot: Lennart Poettering: Open Source Community "Quite a Sick Place To Be In" - Slashdot

00:11:53 BingoBoingo: Poettering on Linus: "But more importantly, I'd actually put some blame on a certain circle of folks that play a major role in kernel development, and first and foremost Linus Torvalds himself. By many he is a considered a role model, but he is quite a bad one. If he posts words like "[specific folks] ...should be retroactively aborted. Who the f*ck does idiotic things like that?"

00:14:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6953 @ 0.00074155 = 5.156 BTC [-]

00:27:11 mod6: this qntra.net is p cool. looks good in lynx too.

00:27:28 dub: not sure about the pink

00:28:20 asciilifeform: 'people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me' << lulz

00:29:31 BingoBoingo: mod6: Thanks. I'll make sure cazalla sees the praise.

00:31:33 midnightmagic: Linus is a drunk, I don't know why anybody expects anything different from him.

00:32:02 BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: What's wrong with being a drunk? ALso his attidtude gets results.

00:32:10 mod6: BingoBoingo: werd

00:32:21 BingoBoingo: dub: What's pink?

00:34:04 midnightmagic: I don't really care much about his attitude. But his brain is malfunctioning because he is drunk all the time.

00:34:57 midnightmagic: Also his drinking gets in the way of being a functional human.

00:36:23 asciilifeform: herr poettering is quite close to destroying linux as a going concern, imho.

00:36:44 asciilifeform: interesting that one usg mole could achieve this.

00:37:00 BingoBoingo: What is this shit? Did Hemmingway's drinking get in the way? Did Hunter S. Thompson's drinking get in the way? Maybe drinking is what keeps Linus effective in the face of Poetterings?

00:37:13 asciilifeform: a very curious 'effective'

00:38:22 midnightmagic: Other people being able to handle, or not, their drinking has nothing to do with whether Linus can.

00:38:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, Red Hat gave him the platform. Fedora has close ties with Gnome... Basically one mole and a turdware vendor set up dominoes.

00:39:11 BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: But where is the evidence Linus can't

00:40:25 midnightmagic: BingoBoingo: You mean aside from every major talk he's given in the last X years in front of an audience and bragged about how he got blotto'd the night before?

00:41:04 BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: That isn't ineffective. That's efficiency. Cramming as much living as possible into his time.

00:41:06 midnightmagic: Or do you mean aside from the steep decline in cognition in the last decade or so?

00:41:19 midnightmagic: Drinking until you can't remember is not "living." It is "dying."

00:42:28 BingoBoingo: If you get the success to get a big old role of drink tickets with your invite to speak at an event not using the decreases your compensation. Also drinking to forget clears crud out of the brain.

00:43:10 midnightmagic: I suppose that's so if you think your own body has no value.

00:44:04 BingoBoingo: midnightmagic: My body is a temple. Maybe it is some rural tribal arrangement made of straw held together with Giraffe shit, but god damn it, it is still a temple!

00:44:17 midnightmagic: :)

00:44:27 midnightmagic: <3 giraffes

00:45:41 midnightmagic: You'll have to let me know what trick is required to target the crud and not the good stuff. I would personally like to drink more quebecois beer..

00:46:24 BingoBoingo: If you burn out your body with hard living at 67, maybe you only lose one year at the end to convalescing. If you treat it like some nerd's transformer doll in the packaging and live to 90, that's 2-3 decades of convalescing.

00:46:44 BingoBoingo: midnightmagic> You'll have to let me know what trick is required to target the crud and not the good stuff. I would personally like to drink more quebecois beer.. << Practice. Also hard liquor.

01:05:05 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: there are some surprisingly fit and able 60 year-old men out there.

01:05:23 BingoBoingo: Sure

01:07:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/06/5-days-of-qntra/

01:19:39 mike_c: any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from?

01:20:43 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Incoming links mostly it seems. People tend to be reading multiple things per day

01:23:27 TomServo: mircea_popescu: but that's what you were there for right ? << Indeed, but still... wow. I was ill prepared.

01:25:12 mike_c: i am an early fan. needs more pics of casascius coins though.

01:25:40 BingoBoingo: mike_c: At some point someone is probably going to post an image

01:29:55 BingoBoingo: !up brianhoffman

01:43:49 decimation: re: lennart << anyone who has done anything that deals with a relatively unfiltered mass public knows how derpy and stupid the masses are. why should 'open source' be an exception?

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01:48:38 decimation: actually this is related to lennart's whining: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

01:48:41 assbot: I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex

01:49:13 decimation: it's pretty much a crypto-rehash of moldbug's red/blue distinction but written to appeal to liberals

01:50:24 decimation: anyway it is related to lennart because he complains about how much vitriol he faces - he is definitely part of an 'outgroup' - people who share many similarities except they differ strongly over specific beliefs

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02:06:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00074153 = 10.3814 BTC [-] {2}

02:14:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/

02:22:39 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Animals in captivity: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/10/06/1837237/lennart-poettering-open-source-community-quite-a-sick-place-to-be-in <<< right, why is not the world more like microshit.

02:22:40 assbot: Lennart Poettering: Open Source Community "Quite a Sick Place To Be In" - Slashdot

02:23:05 mircea_popescu: ;;rate lennart_poettering -1 should have been aborted.

02:23:05 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

02:23:09 mircea_popescu: o wow

02:23:21 BingoBoingo: gribble blinked earlier

02:23:25 asciilifeform: never too late to abort a fella.

02:23:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw is linus on freenode ?

02:24:07 BingoBoingo: Probably?

02:24:19 mircea_popescu: <mod6> this qntra.net is p cool. looks good in lynx too. << it does! <dub> not sure about the pink << that's because of all the gay.

02:24:46 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, i think it's andresen (with one 's')

02:24:57 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic> Linus is a drunk, I don't know why anybody expects anything different from him. << linus actually has a point.

02:25:18 mircea_popescu: it's all the idiotic faggoty dumbasses with "women's issues" and "being polite" and inane crap like that that are the problem,

02:25:25 mircea_popescu: and roughly speaking the reason the world stinks.

02:26:11 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> herr poettering is quite close to destroying linux as a going concern, imho. << no. what he is close to is destroying the notion of "updates" as a going concern. which is a fucking brilliant thing, they should have died ten years ago.

02:27:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: before you freeze something, first have to make sure it isn't a turd. (unless stool sample...)

02:27:35 mircea_popescu: apparently ##Linux which is fucking weird. i thought linus owned the term linux

02:28:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform orly ? is this how the two hotties i had sundaes with earlier were made ?

02:28:13 mircea_popescu: tell you what. do your best, freeze it, see if it survives or dies.

02:28:27 mircea_popescu: that's the model. that's the model that made video gaming a thing, where there was previously no thing.

02:29:13 *: asciilifeform is not advocating update cycle, believes that anything worth calling 'os' is worth burning in mask ROM

02:29:29 asciilifeform: but burning any extant linux into mask rom - is recipe for tears.

02:29:54 mircea_popescu: so ?

02:29:57 mircea_popescu: tears make the best lube

02:30:03 mircea_popescu: after blood, at any rate.

02:30:19 mircea_popescu: tear avoidance is not a strategy for orgasm finding.

02:31:04 mircea_popescu: in other news, i got a spam comment from "Discount True Religion Canada Online". which seems just about right.

02:31:05 *: asciilifeform is currently fighting with 'grub2' and desperately wants to see blood

02:31:06 asciilifeform: their blood.

02:31:22 decimation: asciilifeform: I would like someone from 'grub' to explain in what what 'grub2' was an improvement

02:31:34 decimation: it's an order of magnitude more complex to manage for trival benefits

02:31:35 asciilifeform: decimation: ask poettering.

02:31:36 mircea_popescu: what what in the butt!

02:32:02 decimation: is he behind that too?

02:32:19 asciilifeform: not afaik

02:32:25 BingoBoingo: ;;googl what what in the butt song

02:32:25 gribble: Error: "googl" is not a valid command.

02:32:33 asciilifeform: but he could explain why everything needs to be 'updated' and 'reinvented111!1' until end of time

02:32:35 BingoBoingo: ;;google what what in the butt song

02:32:35 gribble: Samwell - "What What (In the Butt)" - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU; What What (In the Butt) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_What_(In_the_Butt); What, What In the Butt - Video Clip | South Park Studios: http://southpark.cc.com/clips/165193/what-what-in-the-butt

02:33:11 thestringpuller: south park did it better

02:33:15 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from? << cazalla ran off with a lass, but he'll be back midweek, ima push him to put quantcast in there, then you can see directly.

02:33:38 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i am an early fan. needs more pics of casascius coins though. << this is a point. topical, related, meaningful pics are a good add.

02:34:20 dub: inb4 sharpies

02:34:55 mircea_popescu: you know you seem oddly fascinated with that part

02:35:21 asciilifeform: and who the fuck decided that a perfectly good 'eth0' should turn into 'enp0s29u1u1' ?

02:35:40 asciilifeform: at that point i don't even care what the reasoning was. i don't care if it saved a thousand orphans from a fiery death.

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02:35:56 BingoBoingo: !b 4

02:36:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is this ?!

02:36:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a recent gentoo

02:36:25 mircea_popescu: i live a very sheltered life it seems.

02:37:12 decimation: asciilifeform: well, basically the issue is that no one who wrote the original linux network subsystem apparently never conceived of how to enumerate devices

02:37:21 dub: are you ragin at grub or 'hotplug' or whatever it is

02:37:40 decimation: that-and - lots of hardware makers suck at actually making hardware, and their customers demand a software fix

02:37:40 asciilifeform: decimation: i don't give a damn - it was sane before, and is turd-encrusted now in 100 ways

02:37:44 mircea_popescu: decimation isn't that what the 0 is for ?

02:38:11 decimation: one specific instance I know of - dell reversed the '1 and 2' ethernet ports in the bios

02:38:28 asciilifeform: decimation: so these should be collected and burned.

02:38:33 mircea_popescu: or flashed

02:38:36 asciilifeform: why should my reasonable box suffer?

02:38:37 mircea_popescu: which i guess is burning

02:38:39 decimation: asciilifeform: indeed.

02:38:50 decimation: but the masses instead demand a kernel change

02:39:00 asciilifeform: kernel demands a masses change.

02:39:29 BingoBoingo: At this rate we'll probably see Stanix before Loper

02:39:42 decimation: linux would be 10x the disaster it already is today if linus wasn't in charge

02:39:50 BingoBoingo: That is true

02:41:07 mircea_popescu: quite.

02:42:11 decimation: but I agree that the ethernet enumeration is crazy

02:42:22 decimation: but I also submit it's because the underlying hardware world is crazy

02:42:36 mircea_popescu: "Tolerance is definitely considered a virtue, but it suffers the same sort of dimished expectations forgiveness does."

02:42:49 mircea_popescu: foir the record that piece quoted earlier is incredibly braindamaged.

02:42:56 decimation: heh I thought of your post on forgiveness

02:43:38 decimation: the guy who wrote is obviously fascinated with reactionary thought but is also a liberal jew

02:43:49 mircea_popescu: the guy in charge is roughly in the position of poettering

02:44:06 mircea_popescu: "how to pretend like i'm doing something really important by doing something really really complex, that happens to also be very stupid"

02:44:11 decimation: The most interesting thing about it is the comment section, where Brandon Eich chimed in

02:44:19 mircea_popescu: i have no idea who that is.

02:44:42 decimation: he's the guy that was fired from mozilla for giving money to some anti-gay-marriage group

02:45:28 mircea_popescu: "Northern Irish Protestants and Northern Irish Catholics. Hutus and Tutsis" perhaps the most ignorant piece of drivel ion there. im counting it as two strikes in one at any rate.

02:46:02 mircea_popescu: for the clueless in the audience : the tutsis and the hutus are not different in any way, except the belgian missionarries picked the better looking adolescent boys/girls to "educate" ie, sex up

02:46:11 mircea_popescu: and then held them apart for the rest of the population.

02:46:17 decimation: I think that this guy hangs out with the lesswrong crowd too

02:46:30 mircea_popescu: this has exactly fucking nothing with the policies of religion and collaborationism witrh the invader in ireland.

02:48:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, i keep hoping maybe one days one of these libertards with unwarranted delusions of awareness comes by to peddle his stock of derpage.

02:48:08 mircea_popescu: it'll be a fun day.

02:49:08 mircea_popescu: http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1407.3/00650.html << this was a pretty good read.

02:49:09 assbot: Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: Random panic in load_balance() with 3.16-rc

02:49:31 thestringpuller: "don't press the panic button unless it is actual emergency"

02:50:27 decimation: what I find amusing is that the lefties don't get that they are in a relgious war because they don't even realize that what they are derping about is metaphysics

02:50:30 xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HlplfG5Ezk

02:50:30 assbot: Shatner on Mountain Climbing - YouTube

02:51:09 mircea_popescu: that slashdot is instructive too. "by SuricouRaven (1897204) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @03:33PM (#47544763) His manner is coarse, but you must admit that he's gotten the job done. Linux advances on schedule, patches get incorporated, code gets tested, and all proceeds smoothly." "by Concerned Onlooker (473481) on Sunday July 27, 2014 @03:45PM (#47544841) Homepage Journal And Mussolini made the trains run on time?"

02:51:25 decimation: Deep in the comments: "Friend of mine was a mid level product manager on Firefox. What she told me is that Eich’s dismissal was entirely due to politics. Specifically, Mozilla is this interesting hybrid organization that relies on it’s global open source community in order to Get Stuff Done, and they couldn’t risk alienating all the volunteers and contributors who make Mozilla possible."

02:51:28 mircea_popescu: this is exactly the fucking problem. libtards don't want to live in a country that works, they want to live in a country run by obama.

02:51:36 decimation: (on the topic of why Eich was fired)

02:51:42 mircea_popescu: and the problem is, not enough heads on pikes around the lord's castle.

02:51:45 The20YearIRCloud: joy

02:52:03 mircea_popescu: if i ran a country i'd give linus the right to pass death sentences, and sent the secret service to execute them.

02:52:08 mircea_popescu: best code in the universe.

02:52:16 The20YearIRCloud: linus?

02:52:22 mircea_popescu: yeah.

02:52:54 decimation: yeah that would be a pretty good way of doing business

02:53:09 mircea_popescu: im curious how many it'd come to, in a decade.

02:55:20 mircea_popescu: "("Getting the job done" does not, and has never required being abusive to others. Getting the job done while being abusive is not proof that being abusive is required or even was part of, "getting the job done.")"

02:55:29 mircea_popescu: all the idiotic bullshit the left keeps spouting.

02:55:35 mircea_popescu: the only conceivable cure is liberal beatings.

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03:01:36 The20YearIRCloud: i figure it'll all come around eventually and they'll figure out what's going on

03:02:10 mircea_popescu: yeah. except with liberal beatings it's come about tomorrow.

03:02:18 mircea_popescu: AND there'd be fewer people around.

03:02:24 mircea_popescu: the absolute win-win scenario.

03:03:40 The20YearIRCloud: if it'd be legal

03:03:42 decimation: as I recall Mr. Yarvin quoted Lord Cromer as saying that he reckoned he could effectively rule egypt if he could publicly hang one egyptian of his choosing per year

03:04:09 The20YearIRCloud: my only kind of happiness comes in the liberal douches going through really bad parts of town with 'oppressed people' to only find out the 'oppressed' hate them and steal/rob/rape

03:04:31 The20YearIRCloud: Not that I wish evil in liberals (They're people too), but their mindset sponsors alot of really awful things

03:04:54 mircea_popescu: i guess since legal matters so much all planes sohuld be equipped with a congressman the way old ships were equipped with a priest

03:05:03 mircea_popescu: if the worst comes to worst, he can just make whatever disaster illegal temporarily.

03:05:08 The20YearIRCloud: lol

03:05:37 thestringpuller: bad parts of town are dope though

03:05:46 thestringpuller: especially when you find 2-3 hard working hood rats.

03:06:25 The20YearIRCloud: I'm sure they're there, the problem i have is that those places are such cesspools because of liberal ideology

03:06:49 The20YearIRCloud: My county is 80%+ right-wing, and we don't have those kinds of places

03:08:36 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm kinda zone blind, i tend to have more fun in the "bad" parts of town

03:09:37 The20YearIRCloud: our 'bad parts' (of columbus) have crime rates 60-100 times higher than those areas outside of them

03:11:37 decimation: "For example, to run Egypt - a country of 10 million people, then - Cromer had about 1000 British civil servants. If you count all the Western diplomats, development experts, NGOistas, and the like, for whom the present parlous state of Egypt provides employment, how many do you get? A lot more than 1 per 10,000 Egyptians, I suspect. How many Westerners are employed in bandaging and rebandaging the permanent ulcer of Africa? Um, a

03:11:39 decimation: lot."

03:11:46 decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/08/from-cromer-to-romer-and-back-again.html

03:11:46 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: From Cromer to Romer and back again: colonialism for the 21st century

03:12:44 The20YearIRCloud: Where did the other 72 million people in egypt go?

03:13:06 decimation: he ruled egypt at the turn of the last century

03:13:41 The20YearIRCloud: ah

03:13:54 decimation: and so there you go - how would 10,000 poetterings continue to "code" if linus could execute them?

03:22:49 mircea_popescu: decimation the comparison is really unfair. the 1000 people had penicillin. today's africans have the internet.

03:23:31 asciilifeform: all planes sohuld be equipped with a congressman << lol, korean air lines 007.

03:23:39 mircea_popescu: and the point isn't to execute 10k derps. to make such a claim is to bestow qualities upon them they never have nor will ever have.

03:24:02 mircea_popescu: the point is to execute one, to give the remaining 9999 some good role models for their life, and the limits and structure they desperately need.

03:24:15 decimation: that's what I was about to write :)

03:24:22 decimation: hang one, educate 1000

03:24:27 mircea_popescu: every derp derping on "social media" about the libtard themes is really a very badly brought up preteen crying for help.

03:25:02 thestringpuller: The20YearIRCloud: those places are such cesspools because of liberal ideology << some of them are created through the antithesis of that. like the remnants of slavery/apartheid/segregation etc.

03:25:07 mircea_popescu: so, you know, free all the 13 yos trapped in 28 yo bodies.

03:25:59 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the problem is that "the remants of slavery/apartheid/segregation etc." === "liberal ideology"

03:26:20 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: two sides of the same coin?

03:26:40 mircea_popescu: pretty much the same side imo.

03:26:43 thestringpuller: welfare and segregation spawn from the same ideology? that seems reasonable tho.

03:26:46 mircea_popescu: perhaps im missing the subtleties.

03:27:07 thestringpuller: as they both affect the same socioeconomic groups for some reason...

03:27:15 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the shameful secret at the root of all liberal ideology is the plain notion that "those niggers" are not really people, and so must be treated differently from people.

03:27:22 mircea_popescu: specifically, must be treated like animals.

03:27:39 mircea_popescu: if you compare how you treat your pets and how the average liberal intends to treat "those people" you get a scary identity.

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03:27:46 thestringpuller: !b 3

03:27:49 thestringpuller: wise words

03:28:13 mircea_popescu: and it's nothing short of insulting, not just to "those people" in quuestion, but to people everywhere.

03:28:41 thestringpuller: it's like the hobo problem in south park

03:28:46 mircea_popescu: which is the gist of stuff like http://fraudsters.com/2013/fried-chicken/

03:28:47 assbot: Fried chicken pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:28:51 thestringpuller: you give them a litle change, and they'll just ask for more

03:30:01 thestringpuller: Good 'ol Rhonda.

03:30:07 mircea_popescu: well, kinda worse than that. you don't give them a little change, you insist and repeat that they gotta get a little change.

03:30:24 thestringpuller: You make fun of an Italian eating pasta no one really cares.

03:30:46 thestringpuller: You point out negro's like fried chicken and it's racist. Hmmm...the plot thickens.

03:30:54 mircea_popescu: yeah. because italians may be people. like, individuals. so you make fun of that italian.

03:31:06 mircea_popescu: but black people don't have that. they have no souls, in the libertard's view.

03:31:13 mircea_popescu: so you can't make fun of the one guy, the one guy doesn't exist.

03:31:18 mircea_popescu: you only can make fun of the whole group.

03:31:28 mircea_popescu: it's really disgusting, being a liberal.

03:32:24 thestringpuller: I blame the hippies.

03:32:34 thestringpuller: But that's just me.

03:32:46 mircea_popescu: i dun blame anyone. i'm more into hangings than into blamings.

03:33:22 thestringpuller: Ironically all the hippies from days of old are either dead or wearing suits these days.

03:33:54 thestringpuller: They shed their libertard skin it seems and a new generation of derps picked it up.

03:34:24 mircea_popescu: well like the saying goes, you can't stay socialist for long, it's the ideology of stupid.

03:34:55 thestringpuller: it makes everyone feel good, and that they are doing the right thing though.

03:36:38 thestringpuller: that was enlightening tho. i now can view socialism from a different light. ty mircea_popescu

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03:37:16 assbot: Reddit CEO Shames Ex-Reddit Staffer on Reddit: "You Were Fired"

03:37:39 BingoBoingo: !up WolfGoethe

03:38:05 WolfGoethe: Hi all, had some awesome conversation here before. Missed it

03:38:25 BingoBoingo: Hi WolfGoethe

03:38:34 BingoBoingo: !s WolfGoethe

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03:38:46 WolfGoethe: my nick then was Ghaleon

03:39:01 BingoBoingo: !s Ghaleon

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03:39:04 BingoBoingo: ty

03:39:34 WolfGoethe: What is the most vital thing we must focus on now as a community ?

03:39:41 TheNewDeal: nihilism?

03:40:02 BingoBoingo: Manuls?

03:40:16 asciilifeform: manuls - out; colocolos - in ?

03:40:34 decimation: "as a community"?

03:41:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe hybridizing the two?

03:41:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: result - cat thicker than he is long ?

03:41:55 BingoBoingo: Of course, also better immune systems than manuls typically have.

03:42:15 BingoBoingo: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Streets-of-San-Francisco-drenched-in-urine-4658210.php

03:42:15 assbot: Streets of San Francisco drenched in urine - SFGate

03:44:37 WolfGoethe: we need to "close the circle" like the 13 colonies did. need a 20 year plan at least

03:45:33 BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Well doubling the blocksize every year for two decades is probably a problematic plan

03:46:11 asciilifeform: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames << re: earlier crapolade

03:46:12 assbot: PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames

03:46:15 WolfGoethe: how bout we just start thinking ahead first

03:46:58 decimation: asciilifeform: I should have known that lennart was behind that

03:47:01 mats_cd03: don't tell me what to do

03:47:17 mats_cd03: ur not my real dad

03:48:06 asciilifeform: decimation: i think it's in stock udev though

03:48:28 asciilifeform: decimation: so not even herr poettering's idea.

03:48:48 decimation: this seems like a nonsolution to a non problem

03:49:05 asciilifeform: it all sums to this. yes, i get it, you (for some value of 'you') like to pull your network cards out every morning, and cry when your 'eth0' ends up 'eth2' etc.

03:49:12 asciilifeform: and so that you don't cry, normal people have to bleed.

03:49:31 decimation: well except the kernel exposes that stuff in /proc or whatever

03:49:41 WolfGoethe: Why do you all think the price is so low?

03:49:44 asciilifeform: this is the basic 'ephialtes' logic of the retardation in question.

03:50:11 decimation: ephialtes?

03:50:11 asciilifeform: 'i'm a hunchback, everybody should be a hunchback'

03:50:16 decimation: heh

03:50:20 asciilifeform: as pictured in the film '300'.

03:50:52 asciilifeform: !s ephialtes

03:50:53 assbot: 2 results for 'ephialtes' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ephialtes

03:52:15 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLzeBE7QR0

03:52:15 assbot: 300 Leonidas And Ephialtes Blu-ray - YouTube

03:52:21 mircea_popescu: !up WolfGoethe

03:52:35 WolfGoethe: Hi Mircea

03:52:50 mircea_popescu: ello

03:53:11 decimation: in that slatestarcodex post, nyrwracu calls this the 'law of Jante'

03:53:26 WolfGoethe: I have been discussing with many folks why the price is tanking. it seems quite natural considering that btc is more of an asset than a currency... merchants are covnerting right to fiat and thus putting sell pressure on the exchanges

03:53:30 mircea_popescu: <decimation> "as a community"? << yeah seriously. lettuce focus as electromagnetic radiation instead.

03:53:44 decimation: !s jante law

03:53:45 assbot: 4 results for 'jante law' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=jante+law

03:53:50 mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe suppose you read the logs for the past few days and/or http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/

03:53:51 assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:54:12 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

03:54:12 assbot: Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:55:10 WolfGoethe: yes, saw your blog

03:55:30 WolfGoethe: they shall continue to tax the people with inflation thru the control of the volume of funds

03:55:53 WolfGoethe: my concern is how do we evolve bitcoin

03:55:56 mircea_popescu: so then. the price tanked temporarily because the usg tried, and failed, to kill it.

03:56:02 mircea_popescu: and we don't anything.

03:56:02 WolfGoethe: we need to close the circle

03:56:05 mircea_popescu: you're not even in the wot.

03:56:33 TheNewDeal: ...crickets...

03:57:05 WolfGoethe: in the wot?

03:57:20 decimation: I suspect by "evolve bitcon" you mean "increase the usd price"

03:57:23 mircea_popescu: hence the invitaiton to read a lot more.

03:57:51 WolfGoethe: the usd price is irrelevant

03:58:06 WolfGoethe: the goal is to evolve bitcoin by making the usd irrelvent

03:58:25 WolfGoethe: once bitcoin "closes the circle" then it shall be a true competitor to the usd

03:58:38 WolfGoethe: this is what they fear most as is evident by the case of the 13 colonies

03:58:39 decimation: k.

03:59:18 WolfGoethe: here is a decent presentation on this concept - http://blog.easybitz.com/2014/10/05/closing-the-circle/

03:59:19 assbot: Closing the Circle | EasyBitz Blog

03:59:31 asciilifeform: 'If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!'

03:59:47 decimation: lol

04:00:11 WolfGoethe: I welcome any reading resources you have. I've gone thru mullins works, griffths works, "history of money by jack weatherford" was also awesome. and several books on europe in the 30;s

04:00:29 WolfGoethe: I'm no expert but I am trying to think deeply

04:00:39 mircea_popescu: what do you do for a living ?

04:00:48 WolfGoethe: the best chance we have now to close the circle is to focus on retail adoption me thinks

04:01:01 WolfGoethe: I'm a coder mircea and entrepreneur, nothin special

04:01:06 mircea_popescu: but who are you to think.

04:01:12 mircea_popescu: ok, what did you code, what did you entreprene

04:01:37 WolfGoethe: I was bron human, this it is my duty to think.. very unamerican I know lol

04:02:22 WolfGoethe: I code web mostly. many platforms. had a few startups. did the napster of Ringtones in 2000. and a few social networking sites. and now working on some bitcoin stuff.

04:02:29 mircea_popescu: this is like saying, "i have a computer, it is my duty to generate random strings and publish them"

04:02:30 mircea_popescu: not so.

04:03:23 WolfGoethe: not ready to have a chat about the nature of consciousness right now

04:03:34 WolfGoethe: maybe once I have some green tea

04:03:47 WolfGoethe: I do want to think tacticall with you tho

04:04:08 WolfGoethe: not many who can think on your lvl in the scene, from what I recall

04:04:10 mircea_popescu: well that's nice.

04:04:33 *: asciilifeform wishes to ask handlers of ninjasp4mz0r that the 'iq' dial should be turned clockwise (up) rather than counter-clockwise (down) when agent failure.

04:04:45 decimation: lol

04:04:52 *: asciilifeform is not impressed with current shot

04:05:28 decimation: he is persistent

04:06:26 WolfGoethe: what do u guys think of videos like this? http://vimeo.com/107847867

04:06:27 assbot: Vendys Bitcoin 1st draft on Vimeo

04:08:23 WolfGoethe: we all need to take action to make Bitcoin mainstream

04:08:30 asciilifeform: why?

04:08:34 WolfGoethe: the lack of morale is my main concern

04:08:47 WolfGoethe: I see this like a grass roots social justice movement

04:08:54 mircea_popescu: dude wouldja stop with the nonsense. it's ridoinculous.

04:09:10 WolfGoethe: ? nonsense?

04:10:21 mircea_popescu: yes nonsense.

04:10:24 mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin and the poor

04:10:25 gribble: Cash transfers in Africa: Bitcoin for the poor | The Economist: http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2014/06/cash-transfers-africa; How Bitcoin Could Help the World's Poor | Acton PowerBlog: http://blog.acton.org/archives/67759-bitcoin-help-worlds-poorest-people.html; Lessons From Mobile Payments: Bitcoin Will Not Help the Poor or ...: (1 more message)

04:10:32 mircea_popescu: o rly.

04:10:55 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/ there

04:10:56 assbot: Bitcoin and the poor pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:11:57 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> and who the fuck decided that a perfectly good 'eth0' should turn into 'enp0s29u1u1' ? << o yikes

04:12:01 asciilifeform: incidentally, timeless classic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/924795/posts

04:12:02 assbot: Let Africa Sink

04:12:05 asciilifeform: (re: africa)

04:13:03 WolfGoethe: you think planning and focusing our efforts to create bitcoin saturated nodes within the west is nonsense?

04:13:12 thickasthieves: "In the latest move, Blockchain, a Bitcoin wallet provider and software developer, is expected to announce on Tuesday that it has closed a roughly $30.5 million fund-raising round, led by Lightspeed Venture Partners and Wicklow Capital. The investment, raised from Blockchain’s first round of outside financing, is one of the biggest in the digital currency industry to date."

04:13:38 WolfGoethe: bitcoin can indeed help the underbanked... but what about us "over" banked... as in those being crushed by the banks and their fees and hassele

04:15:10 mats_cd03: read more and type less

04:15:37 WolfGoethe: lol

04:15:41 WolfGoethe: ok...

04:15:41 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> the only conceivable cure is liberal beatings. << oh ho ho ho

04:16:14 mircea_popescu: i guess more derps getting listed.

04:16:43 mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe in so many words, yes. and stop using the plural, best anyone can determine you're a solitary guy with his hopes, aspirations, confused mainstream mental impactions and internet connection.

04:16:50 mircea_popescu: these five elements do not require a plural pronoun

04:18:07 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as pictured in the film '300'. << it's an insane depiction. the original guy was actually pericle's master.

04:18:20 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> if you compare how you treat your pets and how the average liberal intends to treat "those people" you get a scary identity. << oh come i only feed the pets when they behave

04:18:23 WolfGoethe: I'm in NYC and go to all the bitcoin dev meetups. coded an api open source project and trying to give back. came here looking to chat and I am being judged so harshly? i know this is irc... but still.

04:18:42 mats_cd03: lol

04:18:42 WolfGoethe: later

04:18:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wrong ephialtes

04:18:52 mircea_popescu: WolfGoethe "TALKING ABOUT BITCOIN, EVEN IF IN A GROUP, DOES NOT MAKE YOU PART OF BITCOIN."

04:18:57 mircea_popescu: sauce : http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-compendium-of-basic-points-about-bitcoin-for-the-benefit-of-various-confused-noobs/

04:18:58 assbot: A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:19:00 mats_cd03: run away from the mean people

04:19:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one in question is ephialtes of trachis

04:19:37 thickasthieves: talking about people that talk about bitcoin doesnt make you part of bitcoin either

04:19:39 mircea_popescu: o nm

04:19:45 thickasthieves: ./troll

04:20:02 mircea_popescu: generally the unqualified name refers the other

04:20:38 mircea_popescu: "i know this is irc... but still" ?!

04:20:45 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is going on in these people's brains i wish to know.

04:21:12 ben_vulpes: <WolfGoethe> once bitcoin "closes the circle" then it shall be a true competitor to the usd << what do you mean by "closing the circle"?

04:21:50 *: ben_vulpes reads subsequent link

04:22:15 ben_vulpes: http://blog.easybitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/slides_whatismoney-1024x737.png

04:22:24 ben_vulpes: oh man unintentional lulz

04:26:56 ben_vulpes: i miss all the good stuff

04:39:36 ben_vulpes: fun with electricity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snk3C4m44SY&feature=youtu.be

04:39:36 assbot: High Voltage AC/DC Effect on Human Body - YouTube

04:44:52 mircea_popescu: well at least you point it out for the rest of us. i didn 't click

04:48:24 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the problem with gavin's idiocy isn't merely that "substantial increasing barrier to entry for operators of full nodes", horrid as that may be.

04:48:37 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it starts with

04:48:37 ben_vulpes: "The dream is to see Bitcoin mainstream.

04:48:39 ben_vulpes: "

04:49:01 mircea_popescu: the problem with gavin's idiocy is that roughly speaking, the square of the block size and the total network hash are on opposite sides of an equality, which describes total network security.

04:49:35 mircea_popescu: so basically, he's proposing significant downstepping of current blockchain security.

04:49:50 mircea_popescu: neither of these are getting merged into bitcoin, whatever gavin says or whatever forks happen.

04:50:09 mircea_popescu: if indeed they're stupid enough to fork it, i will sink their fork on the open market.

04:50:54 mircea_popescu: and if that's the path they wish to use to introduce faux bitcoin-lite for the us domestic market, that's fine, but it won't go over any better than an attempt from scratch.

04:51:01 mircea_popescu: "we" know what bitcoin is and why we're using it.

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04:51:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574604 << i can't believe this fucktard actually came back under a new name but referenced his old persona.

04:51:58 assbot: Logged on 22-03-2014 16:21:56; Ghaleon: hence the typical irc, leet jerk attitude is bout to be extinct

04:52:17 mircea_popescu: srsly ?! try every six months, maybe his retardation now fits reality ? go sulk for another six months, try again ?

04:52:25 mircea_popescu: hey idiot, how about fixing your head instead ?

04:52:36 asciilifeform: hey, vs. mr spam's six weeks.

04:53:12 mircea_popescu: i guess. but an oscillator's still an oscillator, no matter the period.

04:57:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is very true about the large blocks working against security. Throw it up there as a comment.

04:58:20 mircea_popescu: i';d have left a link on their blog but of course.... cloudflare claims the host is broken

04:58:35 mircea_popescu: because cloudflare, as any other usg product, can never be a failful piece of shit that doesn't work.

04:58:42 mircea_popescu: obamacare for websites.

05:00:44 BingoBoingo: Seriously Cloudflare sites are more unavailable than any others I've seen

05:00:54 mircea_popescu: wait, is that guy in the video trying to charge capacitors in an ac circuit ?

05:01:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo best health care in murica!

05:03:01 BingoBoingo: Rly

05:04:54 asciilifeform: charge capacitors in an ac circuit << great fun when you're a kid

05:05:57 mircea_popescu: heh i guess.

05:06:06 mircea_popescu: from the confiscated miners article, "Неизвестно откуда взявшиеся эксперты таможенной службы установили, что металлические конструкции со встроенными в них схемами «предназначены для выполнения специализированных операций расчета хэш-сумм с б

05:06:07 mircea_popescu: ольшой скоростью, что позволяет использовать их для концентрации на определенном адресе чисел и денежных средств». Вероятно, это подтверждает высокий уровень технической подготовки экспертов таможенной службы Читы, способных н

05:06:07 mircea_popescu: а взгляд определить возможности схем, зашитых в металлический корпус."

05:06:16 asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol

05:06:24 mircea_popescu: what uncharitable bs. really, it's that hard to identify hash chips ? i had no idea o.O

05:06:51 asciilifeform: it's a specially-constructed stilted, official language.

05:07:11 mircea_popescu: well or a mockery thereof.

05:07:12 asciilifeform: used in soviet and perhaps other 'eastern despot' officialdom.

05:07:16 asciilifeform: mockery is likely.

05:07:25 mircea_popescu: but i mean, "guy came in with 10lbs of undeclared stuff, got it confiscated"

05:07:41 mircea_popescu: this reminds me vaguely of the nefario timetravel adventures.

05:08:20 asciilifeform: well, to round out story, 'when asked why undeclared, uttered 'bitcoin', received the prescribed five lashes' or the like.

05:09:08 mircea_popescu: a much better story would be something like, "company ordered parts, submitted proper importation documents, had them confiscated at border "

05:09:18 *: asciilifeform just spent four hours ripping poettering out of what appeared to be a perfectly sanitary gentoo, is mighty pissed

05:10:09 mircea_popescu: make sure you post the results.

05:10:14 mircea_popescu: "poettering-free gentoo"

05:10:30 asciilifeform: lol. next i post the ebola-free pudding recipe.

05:10:35 mircea_popescu: whatever the gentoo repackages are called i forget

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05:10:38 BingoBoingo: !b 4

05:11:25 asciilifeform: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_Without_systemd << for a start

05:11:25 assbot: Gentoo Without systemd - Gentoo Wiki

05:11:47 asciilifeform: (not my recipe, but from the folks who write recipes)

05:12:21 asciilifeform: and - if you don't mask the turd, 'sanitary' gentoo (sans systemd) will indeed pull in udev-systemd by default.

05:12:27 mircea_popescu: anyway. the first step riding the world of human excrement is telling the "wolfgoethe"s, poetterings, gavins & co of this world that they are wrong to exist.

05:13:10 mircea_popescu: just that simple fact. "no amount of environmentalism helps anything as long as you continue to exist"

05:13:29 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/gXrMsoM

05:13:29 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

05:14:00 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

05:14:09 asciilifeform: (or recall yoga master, with his single nail. gotta start small!)

05:14:11 mircea_popescu: o shit this goes with the ak rant

05:14:14 mircea_popescu: !up KamiNoCharto

05:14:19 asciilifeform: yes, it does.

05:15:05 mircea_popescu: why is it "tactical" again ?

05:15:13 mircea_popescu: embedded tictacs ?

05:15:28 asciilifeform: no amount of environmentalism << 'unless someone like you dies a whole awful lot, nothing is gonna get better - it's not...'

05:15:56 mircea_popescu: where's the quote from ?

05:16:09 asciilifeform: !s unless someone like you cares

05:16:10 assbot: 0 results for 'unless someone like you cares' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=unless+someone+like+you+cares

05:16:20 mircea_popescu: ahahaha seusss?

05:16:27 asciilifeform: variant is from unwritten mental version of said rhyme

05:16:44 asciilifeform: regarding our friends the poetterings et al.

05:17:46 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758211 << re: 'tactical'

05:17:47 assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 18:55:26; asciilifeform: as i understand, the term originally applied to brands of optical rifle sight designed to withstand the field (water, whacking over enemy's head, etc.) vs ones that only need to survive a leisurely duck hunt

05:18:01 mircea_popescu: "unless someone like you dies a whole awful lot, nothing is gonna get better - you're rot"

05:18:09 mircea_popescu: mno, vocative

05:18:15 mircea_popescu: "unless someone like you dies a whole awful lot, nothing is gonna get better, you rot!"

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05:18:29 asciilifeform: !b 1

05:18:56 *: asciilifeform invites readers to defile the entire poem

05:20:47 mircea_popescu: got a link ?

05:21:37 mircea_popescu: meh why so long ;/

05:22:20 asciilifeform: http://clubs.cob.calpoly.edu/~cmiller/poetry/The%20Lorax.htm

05:23:04 mircea_popescu: yup, same exact one i found. check out the unspeakable diversity of the interwebs,

05:23:17 asciilifeform: possibly the only intact copy.

05:23:22 asciilifeform: thank the copyrasts.

05:23:31 mircea_popescu: meanwhile reduced to about five hundred sites by the unerring sloth and stupidiy of the masses and the unrelenting efforts of the corporation.

05:23:50 mircea_popescu: such hellspawn that marriage.

05:30:24 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

05:30:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 335.56, Best ask: 336.59, Bid-ask spread: 1.03000, Last trade: 336.57, 24 hour volume: 56024.71952397, 24 hour low: 298.32, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 318.889388963

05:40:02 bgupta: Anyone going to DPR's trial on Thursday?

05:40:32 bgupta: I might

05:43:33 mthreat: actual trial already?

05:43:37 mthreat: or just pretrial?

05:45:35 bgupta: Unknown, not well reported.

05:46:24 bgupta: All news articles are beign crubbed

05:46:30 bgupta: scrubbed

05:46:58 bgupta: e.g.- #29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#cite_note-poststar-29

05:46:59 assbot: Silk Road (marketplace) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

05:48:34 bgupta: gobimint making ti really hard to know where to show up and say "I am sparticus!"

05:57:38 BingoBoingo: !mpif

05:57:39 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021881 B (Total: 478.50 B). Delta: 0.00 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]

06:12:35 BingoBoingo: Hey pete_dushenski

06:12:51 pete_dushenski: decimation: what I find amusing is that the lefties don't get that they are in a relgious war because they don't even realize that what they are derping about is metaphysics << definitely amusing. though you have to figure that *some* know the equalitarianism can't be measured.

06:12:55 pete_dushenski: heya BingoBoingo

06:13:14 pete_dushenski: nice work on the qntra these last few days :)

06:13:27 pete_dushenski: (and to cazalla as well)

06:14:04 BingoBoingo: So far mostly cazalla

06:16:00 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/#comment-16 << OrganofCorti

06:16:02 assbot: Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork

06:16:56 pete_dushenski: dunno why that dude isn't here already.

06:17:28 pete_dushenski: other than his clear reluctance to get in the wot, he seems smart enough.

06:17:42 BingoBoingo: Dude's pretty much the guy on mining pools

06:18:54 pete_dushenski: mhm

06:19:10 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so, you know, free all the 13 yos trapped in 28 yo bodies. << new mpex fund: freedom28

06:19:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF

06:20:06 pete_dushenski: includes life lessons, discipline, fear, obedience, and unpredictable lashings.

06:20:06 mircea_popescu: i am a fourth in and nobody can sleep because of you

06:20:30 mircea_popescu: shameful creature of temptation. BACK! YON BEAST!

06:20:35 mircea_popescu: the power of jesus compiles you!

06:21:19 pete_dushenski: story time chez popescu?

06:23:11 pete_dushenski: …rock-a-by slavegirl… in the treetop… when the wind blows… you'll suck on my cock…

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06:23:23 BingoBoingo: !b 4

06:37:16 BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid

07:00:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/cryptothrift-suspends-escrow-service-coins-lost-in-breech/

07:25:33 punkman: "Gavin offers this 50% yearly figure based on Nielsen's Law of Internet bandwidth which supposes high speed Internet connections double in speed every year."

07:26:16 punkman: well shit, my bw been the same for like 7 years

07:27:13 RagnarDanneskjol: ha seriously

07:30:10 punkman: I guess guy was talking about datacenters or something "a high-end user's connection speed grows by 50% per year"

08:04:55 sgornick: Will Qntra gets its own irc channel?

08:10:55 BingoBoingo: sgornick: It probably won't

08:25:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-lorax/

08:25:29 assbot: The Lorax pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

08:25:40 mircea_popescu: sgornick why would it want a difdferent one ?

08:25:51 mircea_popescu: <bgupta> I might << if you do, blog it.

08:28:11 sgornick: mircea_popescu: To not add qntra-specific noise to #bitcoin-assets. Lots of chatter will be added from it, I suspect.

08:30:48 mircea_popescu: there is no distinction between this and that.

08:31:11 mircea_popescu: the very point of qntra is for there to not be a distance between truth, as represented here, and news.

08:31:18 mircea_popescu: you'll hafta see the logs of its birth.

08:42:05 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJhAuEYk3ms

08:42:05 assbot: Glasser - Shape - YouTube

08:42:44 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-lorax/

10:22:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.0007444 = 6.4763 BTC [+]

10:26:52 danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, "According to CoinThrift the attacked occurred early the morning of October 5th but went undiscovered for some time." s/attacked/attack/c

10:27:42 BingoBoingo: fixed

10:34:31 BingoBoingo: !up startup2`isninja

10:40:45 startup2`isninja: hi

10:41:58 BingoBoingo: Hi

10:44:41 startup2`isninja: what's new, bingoboingo?

10:44:50 BingoBoingo: Not too much

10:49:47 startup2`isninja: I'll be back tonight. I may have another offer for people, it would be a 1-year position and primarily of interest to people who want a hedge against price movements against them. My previous offers were not closed via -assets or -otc. (No transactions done.) the total size of the offering would be up to 100 coins, US legal system and contracts, and approximately 2 weeks from now until wire (or transfer.)

10:50:03 startup2`isninja: later

11:25:23 thickasthieves: hello davout

11:25:29 davout: ohai

11:25:33 davout: howdy

11:25:37 thickasthieves: been bizzy?

11:26:46 davout: yeah, wedding + honeymoon mostly

11:27:37 thickasthieves: nice

11:32:05 BingoBoingo: http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2014_10_06_Government_Response_To_Horowitz_Declaration.pdf

11:35:26 thickasthieves: usg saying "hey it's only illegal if you get caught right?"

11:36:27 thickasthieves: "As a threshold matter, the declaration does not establish that Ulbricht had a reasonable

11:36:27 thickasthieves: expectation of privacy in the SR Server, as required for him to have standing to move for its

11:36:27 thickasthieves: suppression in the first place"

11:37:05 thickasthieves: if you are criminal, why would you think you have right to privacy?

11:38:53 thickasthieves: isnt there a greater problem where if the gov did inject code to make the server leak, that this precedent would now allow such action the future

11:39:12 thickasthieves: like, if you got a server we dont like, hacking you is fair game

11:40:01 BingoBoingo: Pretty much

11:40:38 thickasthieves: oh wait, they say it explicitly

11:40:49 thickasthieves: "SR Server needed only to be “reasonable” – that is, justified by “legitimate governmental interests.” Vilar, 729 F.3d at 86. Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to “hack” into it in order to search it, as any such “hack” would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain

11:40:49 thickasthieves: criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary ."

11:40:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35664 @ 0.00074532 = 26.5811 BTC [+] {2}

11:41:30 bounce: total hax man. also, we don't care about your rights. we don't have to care about your rights. we're the government

11:42:16 thickasthieves: well that's preet's take on the matter at least

11:42:21 thickasthieves: we'll see what the judge says

11:43:14 bounce: judges aren't big on waylaying the government these days.

11:45:18 bounce: kinda interesting though, that though it's mostly a dead letter these days over there, you're supposedly still innocent until proven guilty (or badgered into pleading guilty, which they're very good at and do a lot), but that it doesn't go at all for things, like websites. "blatant illegal website!" -- oh, is it? how'd you know that?

11:45:54 thickasthieves: good point

11:46:09 thickasthieves: like how can a foreign website be illegal?

11:46:59 thickasthieves: i suppse it was probably also illegal where SR was hosted

11:47:31 thickasthieves: but arent there other precedents saying a website owner isnt responsible for the crimes commited by users of it?

11:48:01 thickasthieves: do ebay servers get hacked when they discover coupon counterfeiters?

11:48:27 BingoBoingo: Un-pdf turded version here: http://qntra.net/2014/10/silk-road-government-files-response-to-horowitz-declaration/

11:48:28 assbot: Silk Road: Government files response to Horowitz Declaration

11:48:48 bounce: "safe harbor" and like rules, yes. which parties like the MAFIAA like to ignore

11:49:30 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/silk-road-government-files-response-to-horowitz-declaration/

11:54:40 BingoBoingo: http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrishamby/government-says-federal-agents-can-impersonate-woman-online#323i2oq

11:54:40 assbot: Government Set Up A Fake Facebook Page In This Woman’s Name

11:55:36 bounce: huh, sneaky circular argument there. usg says hoster Ts&Cs allowed for monitoring to no privacy for you! -- but how'd they know what server to monitor, hm? tor ought to've made it unfindable.

11:55:47 bounce: s/to no/so no/

12:06:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10423 @ 0.00074579 = 7.7734 BTC [+] {2}

12:10:07 thickasthieves: http://imgur.com/a/6rk2e

12:10:07 assbot: Bearwhale - Imgur

12:12:33 BingoBoingo: Sweet, lotta bearwhale fan art out there. I'm waiting for the slashfic.

12:19:02 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/7th-heaven-father-stephen-collins-admits-to-child-moles-1643250821

12:19:02 assbot: 7th Heaven Dad Stephen Collins Taped Confessing to Child Sex Abuse

12:23:25 BingoBoingo: !up aabtcwhiskyhodl

12:24:05 aabtcwhiskyhodl: wooo bitcoin

12:24:18 BingoBoingo: Yeah whisky and hodl

12:24:22 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

12:24:23 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 321.03, Best ask: 322.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.47000, Last trade: 322.53, 24 hour volume: 34906.79588908, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 347.0, 24 hour vwap: 330.464326352

12:25:04 BingoBoingo: http://media.bnd.com/smedia/2014/10/07/06/14/apiCa.AuSt.98.jpg

12:28:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0007444 = 3.9081 BTC [-]

12:31:44 BingoBoingo: Gavin comments

12:33:00 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/#comment-19

12:33:02 assbot: Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork

12:42:55 thickasthieves: bingoboingo, typo maximun

12:43:09 thickasthieves: in that article

12:44:59 kakobrekla: maxinum

12:45:37 thickasthieves: nixamum

12:45:59 kakobrekla: maxinum and mininum

12:46:23 bounce: such extremum

12:58:00 thickasthieves: nytimes reports on bearwhale

12:58:02 thickasthieves: lol

12:58:03 thickasthieves: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/bearwhale-is-freaking-out-the-bitcoin-markets.html

12:58:04 assbot: BearWhale Is Freaking Out the Bitcoin Markets -- NYMag

12:58:18 thickasthieves: nymag*

12:58:35 thickasthieves: "nd the Bitcoiners celebrated. "WE JUST HARPOONED THAT MOTHERFUCKER!" wrote one. "While the stock markets were closed, we had our weekend full of laughs and tears. Who doesn't wanna be part of it? Long live the 24/7 free market!" wrote another."

12:59:17 mats_cd03: ;;isup qntra.net

12:59:19 gribble: qntra.net is up

12:59:53 BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: where nao

13:00:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.0007442 = 11.0886 BTC [-] {2}

13:00:49 thickasthieves: middle area

13:02:43 BingoBoingo: fix'd

13:03:57 ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2014_10_06_Government_Response_To_Horowitz_Declaration.pdf << PHP databases

13:03:58 thickasthieves: cool cool

13:04:00 ben_vulpes: mright.

13:04:00 thickasthieves: ;;estimate

13:04:02 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35557887526.9 based on data since last change | 38815196708.8 based on data for last three days

13:04:29 thickasthieves: those new cheapo asicminer prisms will hit the scene soon

13:04:42 BingoBoingo: Maybe I need to stop bashing my hand with the OED when I typo and find a correction that doesn't affect the typing hands.

13:05:04 thickasthieves: lol

13:05:21 thickasthieves: be a real writer and write from Androad with autocorrect

13:05:39 thickasthieves: using touch kb of course

13:06:44 ben_vulpes: androad

13:06:52 BingoBoingo: Huh, the Dodgers are starting Kershaw again tomorrow after he got tagged for 8 runs Friday

13:07:23 mats_cd03: i see the scalability roadmap refers to moore's law

13:08:28 mats_cd03: as i understand it moore's law doesn't mean shit anymore

13:09:23 thickasthieves: wasnt moore's

13:09:27 thickasthieves: nielsen's

13:09:28 BingoBoingo: Also the part where bandwidth doesn't evenly increase and shit.

13:09:42 nubbins`: so i click a gop.com link that was posted in this channel

13:09:54 nubbins`: now all week, google is feeding me ads for George H.W. Bush socks

13:10:20 thickasthieves: then if you buy some theyll show you the ad even more

13:10:24 mats_cd03: >Fortunately technological progress marches on, and Nielsen’s Law of Internet Bandwidth and Moore’s Law make scaling up easier as time passes.

13:10:28 nubbins`: no doubt

13:10:29 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/SRCgCeh

13:10:29 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

13:10:38 nubbins`: ^ if you were wondering what bush sr socks look like

13:10:48 thickasthieves: wow

13:10:50 thickasthieves: garish

13:11:12 thickasthieves: contribute? to what his whiskey fund?

13:11:26 dub: assets is gop sponsored chan

13:11:51 BingoBoingo: GOP's bigger socialists than Obummer

13:13:18 nubbins`: heh

13:13:29 nubbins`: meantime, you ever look at portrait photographs of dick cheney?

13:13:52 nubbins`: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/88/46_Dick_Cheney_3x4.jpg/640px-46_Dick_Cheney_3x4.jpg

13:14:05 nubbins`: that's the look of a man who fucked you in the ass

13:14:06 mats_cd03: holy shit he's aged

13:14:18 nubbins`: and he knows you can't do anything about it

13:14:22 mats_cd03: bush, that is

13:15:33 BingoBoingo: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/young-ex-isis-hostage-shocks-cnn-reporter-family-they-are-right/

13:15:34 assbot: Young Ex-ISIS Hostage Shocks CNN Reporter, Family: ‘They Are Right’ | Mediaite

13:15:47 BingoBoingo: !up jb

13:15:49 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

13:21:25 dub: are they not right?

13:24:17 dub: kid should have beheaded cnn reporter for real shock value

13:25:20 BingoBoingo: Who knows?

13:26:13 dub: I do

13:26:27 BingoBoingo: Cool

13:35:22 TomServo: http://wartard.blogspot.com/

13:35:22 assbot: War Tard

13:35:29 TomServo: Could of interesting posts on ISIS there.

13:35:38 TomServo: s/could/couple

13:36:40 sgornick: > Beth Moses led the standardization and testing of extravehicular interfaces for the International Space Station while at NASA.

13:36:48 sgornick: Now trying to get people to use XBT versus BTC

13:36:54 sgornick: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/press-releases/press-release-october-7-2014-bitcoin-foundation-financial-standards-working-group-leads-the-way-for-mainstream-bitcoin-adoption-2/

13:36:55 assbot: Press Release October 7, 2014: Bitcoin Foundation Financial Standards Working Group Leads the Way for Mainstream Bitcoin Adoption | The Bitcoin Foundation

13:37:47 sgornick: > Bitcoin are B⃦, ฿, and Ƀ. <--- Which do you prefer?

13:39:39 nubbins`: btc

13:40:03 fluffypony: sgornick: Z

13:40:11 nubbins`: ask me again if/when a standard US keyboard includes a B⃦, ฿, or Ƀ symbol

13:40:28 fluffypony: tbh, Ƀ is a stupid symbol

13:40:39 fluffypony: it looks like a B getting probed analy

13:41:06 fluffypony: which, frankly, is kinda rude since the B didn't do anything to deserve an anal probing

13:41:17 BingoBoingo: No need for a symbol. BTC is fine. People build friendly 'nugh interfaces with BTC

13:42:27 thickasthieves: really i'd rather focus on getting people to quit choosing arbitrary denominations

13:42:33 thickasthieves: like millibit and bitcent

13:42:42 thickasthieves: just uses satoshis dammit

13:43:14 fluffypony: agreed

13:44:10 kakobrekla: how is XBT better ?

13:44:37 thickasthieves: X > C

13:44:52 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://jacquesmaurel.com/gears

13:44:52 assbot: Jacques Maurel - Teacher in Machine Design | GEARS

13:44:52 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:45:46 thickasthieves: X is better because it kowtows to the establishment

13:45:57 kakobrekla: what?

13:46:03 thickasthieves: which is the purpose of the btcf

13:46:10 kakobrekla: ah

13:46:14 kakobrekla: sry i misread it first time

13:46:44 nubbins`: why do i read comments on CBC articles?

13:47:15 nubbins`: this is regarding an article about cleaning products not being required to list the specific perfume/scent ingredients: "Printing is cheap these days so no reason not to list all the ingredients in everything"

13:47:16 kakobrekla: sgornick arguing that XBT is better for adoption or whatever the fuck is beyond retarded

13:47:23 thickasthieves: this is all Circle had to say about my inquiry as to my order being cancelled "We may have delayed your transaction due to our fraud prevention monitoring. I apologize for any inconvenience! We should have this issue resolved in the next few days."

13:47:32 kakobrekla: might as well call btc shitcakes.

13:48:00 thickasthieves: so is my tx delayed or canceled?

13:48:14 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "S&P 500 to post 8th straight quarter of gains" http://bitbet.us/bet/1053/ Odds: 64(Y):36(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.8357673 BTC. Current weight: 91,607.

13:48:25 nubbins`: thickasthieves you'll never know 8)

13:48:48 nubbins`: i did the full gamut w/ my circle account, A+++ would buy satoshis from again

13:48:53 thickasthieves: it's canceled but that's much too substantive a word for a rep to use

13:49:13 kakobrekla: heh

13:49:14 thickasthieves: delayed permanently instead

13:49:17 nubbins`: also A+++ would cash out via again

13:49:44 thickasthieves: lol at canadians getting through but not usians

13:50:14 nubbins`: :D

13:50:20 nubbins`: with my visa-enabled debit card!

13:50:34 kakobrekla: O_o

13:50:37 nubbins`: also worked w/ my straight-up visa, but dem cash advance fees

13:52:11 ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: the wot begins to bite

13:52:26 thickasthieves: this was my message to Circle, to which i got that form response "I shouldn't complain since the price has gone down anyway, but why didn't this order go through? I just want to know how to avoid the problem in the future.

13:52:26 thickasthieves: Note that it's ironic that I actually made this purchase by mistake because I thought the "Deposit" button meant , yknow, depositing funds, not exchanging currencies. Your system of dollarifying all numbers is obnoxious. Let people type in bitcoin amounts and understand it as a separate currency. You're just confusing things."

13:52:51 kakobrekla: http://laughingsquid.com/beautiful-high-definition-macro-videos-of-chemical-reactions/

13:52:52 assbot: Beautiful High Definition Macro Videos of Chemical Reactions

13:53:27 nubbins`: yeah

13:53:29 danielpbarron: !up brianhoffman

13:53:47 nubbins`: MFW i couldn't zero my btc balance upon withdrawal

13:53:48 danielpbarron: wth gribble

13:55:57 ben_vulpes: !up brianhoffman

13:56:03 nubbins`: bbl furnace guy

13:56:13 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot danielpbarron

13:56:14 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013

13:56:27 ben_vulpes: i dun get it either, danielpbarron

13:56:30 ben_vulpes: ;;rate danielpbarron 1

13:56:33 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

13:56:38 ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes

13:56:39 gribble: Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

13:56:52 ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c2fb6d6d44d05e4e920fa7657c657023bca51dd850832f6953cf88c3

13:56:53 gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA

13:56:56 ben_vulpes: ;;rate danielpbarron 1

13:56:57 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.

13:59:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 850 @ 0.000598 = 0.5083 BTC [+]

14:02:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12245 @ 0.00074271 = 9.0945 BTC [-]

14:03:04 danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, i lost auth

14:07:10 danielpbarron: !up brianhoffman

14:07:40 danielpbarron: i'm not sure how you, ben_vulpes, were able to !up him without being authed

14:12:47 ben_vulpes: stale assbot state?

14:12:56 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: any notion?

14:13:53 ben_vulpes: looks like assbot maintains its own notion of authedness

14:13:59 ben_vulpes: but i dunno

14:13:59 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

14:14:35 ben_vulpes: ! down brianhoffman

14:14:52 ben_vulpes: !down brianhoffman

14:17:11 danielpbarron: lol

14:17:59 danielpbarron: how can people say irc isn't "real life?" It has a way to let them storm out all pouty

14:18:44 kakobrekla: if gribble quits you lose his auth but your place in assbots ACL is not lost

14:19:17 kakobrekla: until you quit

14:19:48 bounce: gribble is such a quitter

14:30:16 thickasthieves: http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:public.articles.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/annivers.jpg

15:13:31 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/5w9NqSt

15:13:31 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

15:13:48 nubbins`: braised a pork shoulder last night

15:20:23 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: mutant 'lorax' << mega-lulz.

15:20:24 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:32:17 mats_cd03: i am under the impression SIM cards have DMA

15:32:22 mats_cd03: am i wrong?

15:33:14 nubbins`: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8108851

15:33:14 assbot: The SIM card is a full featured computer. It has memory, a CPU, and your telco ... | Hacker News

15:33:49 mats_cd03: thats not helpful

15:34:05 nubbins`: nope

15:34:29 nubbins`: but there's a modicum of solace in the fact that other people are similarly confused, no?

15:35:00 dignork: !up dbolser

15:35:08 dbolser: hihi

15:35:33 mats_cd03: the interface is serial but that doesnt really tell me anything

15:35:40 dbolser: working on a counter to the argument that bitcoin price is important if it falls below a certain threshold where the cost of securing the network is 'too high'

15:35:40 bounce: really need to find more ways to recover the secret keys from SIM cards and stick'em in (FOSS-programmed) alternate SIMs that you control

15:36:19 dbolser: I figure cost of securing network is proportional to price

15:36:22 dbolser: but not sure...

15:36:47 dignork: so I invited dbolser here, because we where discussing MV=MC in #bitcoin, but no traction there.

15:37:02 bounce: how hard is it to build a (simple, "feature") phone with fully-controlled firmware including the wireless interface side?

15:37:28 thickasthieves: dbolser while price and mining have a relationship, it is not in sync necessarily

15:37:42 mats_cd03: bounce: not hard. google: osmocombb

15:38:04 mats_cd03: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/

15:38:05 assbot: OsmocomBB

15:38:05 thickasthieves: itd be impossible to know the plans and behavior of major mining outfits and their coins and costs

15:39:08 thickasthieves: also keep in mind that mining costs as reported by reddit etc, are just a snapshot of what can be seen, there have been private operations implementing their own chips for a while now

15:39:50 dbolser: thickasthieves: I don't argue that the two are related in a complex way, but I wonder if there is a lower bound on price whereby mining 'colapses'

15:39:58 nubbins`: yeah, the only chips you hear about are the ones where the makers wanted to vacuum up that sweet sweet "investor" money

15:40:06 dbolser: or is a low price not worth attacking?

15:40:13 thickasthieves: bitcoin doesnt care

15:40:17 thickasthieves: it invites all attacks

15:40:26 thickasthieves: but you only get one chance

15:40:32 dbolser: that's beside the point

15:40:56 dbolser: if price goes to 1 cent per 10 BTC (lets say), is there any 'value' in mining?

15:41:06 thickasthieves: the problem i have with the point is it acts like price is a driver of anything but speculation

15:41:17 dbolser: ing?

15:41:29 thickasthieves: mining is more likely to affect price than the reverse imo

15:41:40 mats_cd03: the infinite money machine distorts proper analysis of these things

15:41:51 bounce: so easiest there would be to put a good push behind supporting more phones (like some nokia models from back when they were respectable)

15:42:22 thickasthieves: price isnt a force, it is a measurement

15:42:26 thickasthieves: i think...

15:47:51 dbolser: so, hypothetically, does bitcoin ever die?

15:48:09 dbolser: is there a set of functions it performs as cost enters certain ranges?

15:48:13 ben_vulpes: wrong channel, dbolser

15:48:22 ben_vulpes: :P

15:48:33 ben_vulpes: can you clarify the functions question?

15:49:07 dbolser: ben_vulpes: yeah, I'm vague there too... like if the price stays really low, it's still a tool for international trade

15:49:18 dbolser: if price gets higher, is it a store of value?

15:49:40 dbolser: I was thinking something along those lines

15:49:57 dbolser: seems the higher the price, the bigger the buzz, the wider the application

15:50:08 ben_vulpes: it's always a store of value, and it's always a method of transacting value.

15:50:10 dbolser: perhaps I need to study alt-coin failure modes

15:50:16 dbolser: yeah

15:50:56 ben_vulpes: the interesting thing is what happens to modern governments that run on printing money.

15:54:10 dignork: dbolser: re alt-coins << there may be a lot of failure modes, but here is a good general explanation: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-problem-with-altcoins/

15:54:11 assbot: The Problem with Altcoins | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute

15:55:20 thickasthieves: the function is that bitcoin is designed to be antifragile, so each of it's properties work to correct and balance the others

15:55:46 thickasthieves: re remittance, that is one aspect where price (more specifically, market cap) matters

15:56:16 ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: how does market cap affect remittance?

15:56:19 thickasthieves: bitcoin is backed by bagholders, so if you wanna be able to transact AND cash out large amounts, you need large price

15:56:31 ben_vulpes: hm

15:57:38 thickasthieves: this is also why you get guys talking about "closing the loop"

15:58:12 thickasthieves: which is not totally possible, but probably the natural point bitcoin trends towards

15:59:10 thickasthieves: closing the loop is probably an anti-goal because changing the value of bitcoin dramatically would also change the costs of goods dramatically

15:59:42 thickasthieves: i'm just thinking out loud here, waiting for someont to bring me to earth

16:00:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11813156 BTC to 15`414 shares, 7254 satoshi per share

16:01:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.10594672 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 444 satoshi per share

16:02:05 thickasthieves: generally i subscribe to the belief that all extremes and ideals are only achievable for a moment at best, and that a robust/sustainable approach to theory and design is better

16:02:48 nubbins`: i found a piece of paper yesterday that said "1:30pm tuesday oct 7" and i can't remember if i'm supposed to be meeting someone here or not

16:03:39 mats_cd03: lol

16:03:44 nubbins`: thickasthieves casascius coins are essentially a closed loop, albeit not a very good example

16:04:30 thickasthieves: i'm not sure we mean the same thing

16:04:36 dignork: thickasthieves: in case of wide usage of btc, remittance as business will disappear

16:04:50 thickasthieves: by closed loop i mean getting people to transact in bitcoin and not convert to fiat

16:05:10 thickasthieves: vendors>business>consumer>employer>

16:05:38 thickasthieves: dignork i assume you mean be taken over by crypto, not disappear

16:06:15 nubbins`: oh sure, yeah

16:06:19 nubbins`: totally different things

16:06:24 los_pantalones: thickasthieves why do ppl think you should exchange a provably finite asset for something like a ham sandwich

16:06:33 thickasthieves: Well i think businesses will still provide the service

16:06:35 dignork: thickasthieves: if it's trivial to find buyer here, and seller there, it won't be remittance anymore, just exchage fees on both sides of trade

16:06:39 los_pantalones: ever seen someone exchange .00001% of their home for a piece of pie ?

16:06:48 thickasthieves: people still wanna 'bank' of asome sort

16:06:50 thickasthieves: that wont go away

16:07:35 thickasthieves: dignork thats what remittance is, paying a fee to transport money via a 3rd party

16:07:52 thickasthieves: i'm saying the 3rd party will continue to exist

16:07:59 thickasthieves: it will just look different

16:08:12 thickasthieves: remit companies might also be more general escrow agencies

16:08:29 thickasthieves: maybe even contract facilitators/arbiters

16:08:37 thickasthieves: maybe get into insurance

16:08:39 thickasthieves: etc

16:09:32 thickasthieves: just because bitcoin lets people do things for themselves doesnt mean that all of sudden people will start doing things for themselves

16:10:44 PeterL: http://blog.btcscoop.com/use-code-xbt-not-btc-for-bitcoins/ and yes I see the irony of posting this on a website starting with btc

16:10:45 assbot: Use code XBT, not BTC for bitcoins |

16:13:35 thickasthieves: no.

16:13:58 thickasthieves: ;;8ball should we switch to XBT?

16:13:59 gribble: The answer is certainly yes.

16:14:05 thickasthieves: you muthfukah!

16:14:21 thickasthieves: first time gribble failed me

16:14:47 dignork: thickasthieves: in "send money home" scenario, no arbitrage/insurance is required, unless we are talking about hedging volatility risk. Any btc buyer or seller migh assume himself in "remittance business", which means unrestricted lower bound for margin. that's why i think remittance as a business will disappear. It will just turn into a corner case of btc<->whatever trade.

16:15:56 PeterL: you don't need remittances anymore, just a local trader at each end to convert to/from local currency

16:18:55 PeterL: didn't MP once refer to local currency as "food vouchers"?

16:22:20 PeterL: maybe that is why USgov wants the price low, so it is harder to move large quantities of money outside their system without permission?

16:22:37 dignork: PeterL | you don't need remittances anymore << in theory you are right, but for now you have whopping 5 buyers listed on localbitcoins in Mexico. Seems we are not there yet.

16:23:09 PeterL: yeah, not yet, but certainly moving that direction

16:27:45 kakobrekla: no i think we should call it YBT

16:27:54 thickasthieves: those individuals are still remittance businesses

16:27:57 kakobrekla: Y Y? Y not?

16:28:14 thickasthieves: i think we should rename all currencies to add C

16:28:21 thickasthieves: dollarcoin

16:28:23 kakobrekla: CYBT then

16:28:26 thickasthieves: poundcoin

16:28:31 thickasthieves: USDC

16:28:38 thickasthieves: EURC

16:28:46 thickasthieves: it's teh rule!

16:29:14 thickasthieves: wtf is the X bs

16:29:17 PeterL: thickasthieves: yes, but it can be a different individual at each end of the transfer, unlike now where you have the same company at both ends

16:29:30 thickasthieves: you dont though

16:29:37 PeterL: no?

16:29:39 thickasthieves: the abstracted "company" is the local bank

16:29:48 thickasthieves: two different ones on each end

16:30:52 chetty: I wouldnt go too much by localbitcoins listings, plenty of places trading in btc not listed

16:37:20 bounce: what, you don't know? currency codes use the iso3166 two letter country code plus one letter for the currency. so BTC is really "bhutan coin". exceptions are the X codes, XAU, XPT, XAG and so on.

16:38:21 kakobrekla: i guess iso3166 can now ask bitcoin if it can reform

16:42:49 thickasthieves: btc is just more likeable, sry

16:43:06 thickasthieves: this decision is best made with emotion

16:43:18 kakobrekla: hehe

16:43:33 bounce: suriname yen?

16:47:36 nubbins`: ;;bc,xau

16:47:38 gribble: 1 XAU = 1210.700000000000 USD = 3.6744665999 BTC

16:48:12 nubbins`: ouch

16:48:26 nubbins`: 3.67/oz

16:48:32 rithm: double ouch

16:48:54 rithm: seems like highway robbery for shiny metal

16:49:15 nubbins`: <+nubbins`> i found a piece of paper yesterday that said "1:30pm tuesday oct 7" and i can't remember if i'm supposed to be meeting someone here or not

16:49:23 nubbins`: turns out i did indeed have a meeting scheduled for here

16:49:54 nubbins`: also turns out i'm gonna be printing the writers' alliance quarterly journal

16:59:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8405 @ 0.00074265 = 6.242 BTC [-]

17:04:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform >D

17:06:12 nubbins`: mp dat poster link you sent a while back

17:06:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00074535 = 12.0747 BTC [+]

17:06:21 nubbins`: websites like that make me sad

17:06:36 *: mircea_popescu doesn't recall

17:06:50 nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> http://posters.lardbucket.org/ is this the sorriest thing you ever saw or what

17:06:52 assbot: posters.lardbucket.org

17:07:01 nubbins`: boils some poor heel's life down to this shitty little nugget of wasted effort

17:07:10 mircea_popescu: oh oh

17:07:25 nubbins`: and the tagline

17:07:28 mircea_popescu: ikr?

17:07:29 nubbins`: "please don't take my stuff"

17:07:35 nubbins`: IF ONLY WE WANTED TO

17:07:44 mircea_popescu: i'm like... dude i used to make that stuff, in basic, on a z80

17:07:49 nubbins`: right?

17:07:59 nubbins`: could make 60 of these a second

17:08:00 nubbins`: ;p

17:08:29 mircea_popescu: the blessings of a school system with no grades.

17:08:29 nubbins`: but wait dude, you don't understand, he also did that one of the mandelbrot set

17:08:48 mircea_popescu: people get to be 30 and still have no idea they suck

17:08:49 nubbins`: it's recursively shitty

17:09:32 mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i mean, still have no idea that they wolfgoethe

17:09:48 nubbins`: that they...?

17:09:53 mircea_popescu: it's in the logs

17:10:22 nubbins`: !s *goethe

17:10:23 assbot: Error - search.bicoin-assets.com : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%2Agoethe

17:10:29 nubbins`: eat shit assbot

17:10:54 nubbins`: oh ahahaha

17:10:55 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2014#861983

17:10:57 assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 04:02:22; WolfGoethe: I code web mostly. many platforms. had a few startups. did the napster of Ringtones in 2000. and a few social networking sites. and now working on some bitcoin stuff.

17:11:00 *: nubbins` reads no further

17:11:14 mircea_popescu: it was rather amusing

17:11:25 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh5X1LcGa9I

17:11:25 assbot: Radioactive emission of Uranium visible to naked eye in a cloud chamber! - YouTube

17:11:34 mircea_popescu: cherenkov ?

17:12:05 bounce: it's blue. snazzy tune though. didn't think it had it in it.

17:12:10 nubbins`: luckily this video has an unskippable ad at the start

17:12:42 bounce: didn't get one of those, but I have a lot of ad-y things blocked here.

17:12:46 nubbins`: ben_vulpes why is this a 35s video instead of a 3s gif?

17:13:02 nubbins`: why is it published by "funny videos"?

17:13:09 nubbins`: i'm sorry, i know you don't have answers

17:13:11 mircea_popescu: the ad ?

17:13:17 nubbins`: nah the actual video

17:13:20 nubbins`: it's looping

17:13:26 mircea_popescu: yes, the actual video. because the ad.

17:13:45 nubbins`: o o o

17:13:48 nubbins`: riiight

17:14:12 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HmQoW4sJmc

17:14:13 assbot: 'I've made a terrible mistake' - YouTube

17:14:18 nubbins`: from same channel ;/

17:14:53 mircea_popescu: !up sgornick_

17:14:59 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot sgornick_

17:15:00 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick_ | Rated since: never

17:15:05 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot sgornick_

17:15:05 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick_ | Rated since: never

17:15:08 dignork: cherenkov - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eHkpUSaVwU

17:15:08 assbot: Nuclear Reactor start up - YouTube

17:15:08 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot sgornick

17:15:09 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick | Rated since: Thu Dec 2 21:13:08 2010

17:15:12 bounce: ah, the link between the videos is the tune

17:15:21 mircea_popescu: sgornick_ you know you can self up here right ?

17:15:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00074535 = 3.5777 BTC [+]

17:19:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 200 @ 0.12600511 = 25.201 BTC [-] {27}

17:20:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 95 @ 0.1016202 = 9.6539 BTC [-] {10}

17:26:20 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo cazalla heh check out the furry of attention your little project is getting from our enemies. methinks we;ve struck oil here.

17:26:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:27:05 mircea_popescu: i should probably say "the enemies of a free world, liberty, happiness and generally humanity", but it's kinda lengthy to give these people all their proper titles and indignities.

17:30:44 nubbins`: let them be henceforth known as The Enemies

17:31:45 mircea_popescu: ahhh that govt response to the horowitz declaration

17:31:53 nubbins`: lel http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/10/07/1612226/complain-about-comcast-get-fired-from-your-job

17:31:54 assbot: Complain About Comcast, Get Fired From Your Job - Slashdot

17:31:55 mircea_popescu: "we made it a secret and prosecute anyone disclosing how we infringe rights

17:32:08 mircea_popescu: the law requires someone asking for his rights to be protected to say how his rights were infringed

17:32:15 mircea_popescu: therefore this motion should be dismissed"

17:32:27 mircea_popescu: how do these people even get out of bed in the morning ?

17:32:36 nubbins`: i think they black out their mirrors

17:32:39 mircea_popescu: compartimentalisation only goes so far.

17:32:39 nubbins`: it helps

17:33:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00074535 = 6.41 BTC [+]

17:34:08 mircea_popescu: and bingo you're doing a bangass job over there! everyone else links the pdf, you put in the text. brownie points.

17:34:16 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller listen, you actually shipping those cookies ?

17:36:38 nubbins`: COOKIE CHIEF

17:38:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, i am curious how many of the references and injokes are actually observable from outside the work

17:38:52 mircea_popescu: and how many random bits are overinterpreted in the quest for the former

17:39:01 artifexd: qntra.net << Awesome DNS

17:40:05 assbot: startup_isninja +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4

17:40:30 fluffypony: Have we discussed David Seaman's proclamation of Bitcoin's demise? I see pete_dushenski spotted it

17:41:05 mircea_popescu: we have not, because we did last time and well, it just seems to encourage this sort of thing

17:41:06 nubbins`: !up startup_isninja

17:41:11 mircea_popescu: anything substantial in there ?

17:41:16 nubbins`: if you're ninjashogun, expect the reverse in a moment

17:41:17 mircea_popescu: !down startup_isninja

17:41:19 fluffypony: Nah

17:41:20 nubbins`: LEL

17:41:31 mircea_popescu: that's ok, i've read enough nonsense today

17:41:35 fluffypony: He basically went on a rant

17:41:46 mircea_popescu: well good for him, and let his mother know

17:41:48 fluffypony: About how Bitcoin is dead because the price went so low

17:41:49 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is the guy even ?

17:42:06 fluffypony: And if it wast dead the price wouldn't go that low

17:42:14 fluffypony: Wasn't

17:42:20 mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. im sure the price for his penis is over 300 bux.

17:42:26 fluffypony: He's a turd, but a hilarious one

17:42:34 fluffypony: Plus his surname is seaman

17:42:38 fluffypony: So theres that

17:42:56 mircea_popescu: i wonder why all the people with shitty names don't get together and make their own country.

17:43:01 mircea_popescu: ben dover's gulch

17:43:05 fluffypony: Lol

17:43:11 mircea_popescu: o, right! because it's a stupid idea! well... nevermind then.

17:43:36 nubbins`: i know a woman with the last name Smellie, true story

17:43:46 bounce: nice and short story

17:43:51 mircea_popescu: i had a dentist in ro, her last name was moustache

17:43:57 nubbins`: the best stories are succinct, yet moving, and oddly telling

17:44:11 mircea_popescu: and with perky tits.

17:44:58 mircea_popescu: nubbins` by the way, know the story of old john cocksucker and his namechange ?

17:45:26 nubbins`: nope. married an italian woman named Bella Fellatoria?

17:45:46 mircea_popescu: lol. nah. he was this guy about fifty, not particularly bight, in fact closer to high functioning retardation

17:46:03 mircea_popescu: that minded his own business, was kinda friendly, and so everyone he knew suggested he do one thing for his future

17:46:05 mircea_popescu: and change that name

17:46:09 nubbins`: sure, yeah

17:46:11 mircea_popescu: so eventually, after much reflection, he did

17:46:14 mircea_popescu: to... george.

17:46:17 nubbins`: HEH

17:46:44 nubbins`: who else, let me see...

17:46:56 nubbins`: there's a spin instructor at the gym named dick barter

17:47:02 nubbins`: i've taken to calling him cock swap

17:47:20 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

17:47:22 nubbins`: (not to his face, he could likely kick me to death)

17:47:50 nubbins`: there was a dope dealer named richard ball

17:48:03 nubbins`: overheard one day: "man, anybody ever call you dick ball?"

17:48:08 nubbins`: stonefaced reply: "no."

17:48:25 nubbins`: awkward silence, question guy leaves w/o another word

17:48:53 mircea_popescu: lol

17:50:14 mircea_popescu: "During the last eighteen months I have not had the good fortune to attend my own funeral, but with that exception I have buried pretty nearly everything I lived for." << wow check out this guy.

17:50:18 mircea_popescu: now that's quality depression.

17:51:17 thestringpuller: nubbins`: the poster still hasn't come :(

17:51:17 nubbins`: A++++ would use to boost own feelings again

17:51:26 nubbins`: thestringpuller :/ let me find a tracking #

17:51:34 nubbins`: did i post this yesterday? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/philip-pynn-averill-baker-shared-passionate-kiss-before-arrest-1.2789028

17:51:35 assbot: Philip Pynn, Averill Baker shared 'passionate kiss' before arrest - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

17:51:41 thestringpuller: thanks nubbins`

17:51:47 nubbins`: this is maybe the most prominent defence lawyer in the province

17:52:08 mircea_popescu: he got arrested ?!

17:52:38 nubbins`: lawyer (she) did not get arrested

17:53:00 nubbins`: her kissy-mate, who had murdered a guy 24h prior, got arrested

17:53:05 mircea_popescu: see, this is why the motherfucking wasps were so wrong.

17:53:14 mircea_popescu: nothing better than women with careers.

17:53:34 mircea_popescu: nicholson famously makes this point on stand once.

17:54:01 nubbins`: thestringpuller: Your item was undeliverable as addressed at 2:51 pm on September 20, 2014 in ATLANTA, GA 30309. It is being returned if appropriate information is available.

17:54:22 thestringpuller: damn it

17:54:53 thestringpuller: nubbins` can you pm me the address that was given to you by the artist?

17:56:01 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i take that as a no ?

17:56:51 nubbins`: ooooooooo fuck me in the ass, i wrote the P.O. Box number down wrong

17:57:07 thestringpuller: No problem.

17:57:13 thestringpuller: Just lemme know how we resolve this.

17:57:14 nubbins`: let me find the tx, PM me a btc address

17:57:24 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: like how can a foreign website be illegal? <<< you got an oxymoron problem going there son ?

17:57:28 nubbins`: i'll refund you, that package will likely be destroyed.

17:57:31 nubbins`: :/

17:57:44 mircea_popescu: nubbins` dyslexia strikes a gain ?

17:57:48 thestringpuller: what about the shirts?

17:57:55 thestringpuller: I still want a poster :(

17:57:58 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i almost made the same mistake on the shirts

17:58:10 nubbins`: dysnumeria i guess or w/e it's called

17:58:11 guruvan: never doubt the wisdom of the gribble

17:58:21 nubbins`: thestringpuller shirts will be arriving at proper location

17:58:28 mircea_popescu: guruvan what did it do this time ?

17:58:38 *: guruvan scrolls back down to the present

17:58:50 thestringpuller: guruvan...that name looks familiar

17:58:52 nubbins`: thestringpuller try calling USPS and give them tracking # LM000212190CA

17:58:52 guruvan: failed thickasthieves - told him to buy XBT

17:58:54 thestringpuller: do you comment on fraudsters?

17:59:04 nubbins`: there's an off-chance it'll still be in a sort facility somewhere.

17:59:08 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: do ebay servers get hacked when they discover coupon counterfeiters? << no, because ebay servers are already hacked by design, because they use the "proper" software as indicated.

17:59:24 guruvan: thestringpuller: no - but I've been around here a long while - just not much in here for a while

18:00:30 mircea_popescu: bounce: huh, sneaky circular argument there. usg says hoster Ts&Cs allowed for monitoring to no privacy for you! -- but how'd they know what server to monitor, hm? tor ought to've made it unfindable. << they "just knew" heh.

18:00:57 mircea_popescu: but really, this silkroad thing is becoming a major liability for the usg, after having actually crossed the line from gain to liability sometime in spring.

18:00:58 nubbins`: the FBI "just knew" in the sense that an NSA agent walked into their office and said "hey, check out this URL!"

18:01:23 mircea_popescu: making it n-0, retroactively. THEY HAVE YET TO ACTUALLY SCORE ONCE!

18:01:59 mircea_popescu: and that n is pretty fuckingly scary high, what with the heartbleed headshot and all the other outlays generously handed out by la serenissima.

18:02:48 bounce: well, losing only counts if the judge says it's a loss. if they don't, it's a win.

18:03:18 mircea_popescu: not at all.

18:03:32 mircea_popescu: the embarassment of havcing to answer to it makes it a loss already.

18:03:39 mircea_popescu: fascist government only works if unquestioned.

18:03:48 mircea_popescu: if questioned, no matter what the sops say, it's still a loss.

18:04:00 mircea_popescu: assbot: 7th Heaven Dad Stephen Collins Taped Confessing to Child Sex Abuse <<< holy shit omfg no wai!!1

18:04:10 mircea_popescu: molested 17 yo jessica biel ?! WHERE IS THAT TAPE!

18:04:48 bounce: morally, but the usg doesn't care about that; it figures it's too big to fail

18:05:08 mircea_popescu: yes, but practically the delusions of the players aren't relevant.

18:05:24 mircea_popescu: the game is still played by points.

18:06:22 mircea_popescu: and the points still go n-0.

18:07:12 bounce: but who cares if the bill only comes due well after your pension?

18:07:32 thestringpuller: ;;later tell hanbot good work on the "new" lorax lol

18:07:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:08:58 mircea_popescu: bounce depending on one's age, i wouldn't put much stock in that. i suppose septuagenarians have good cause to be disinterested on these grounds.

18:09:12 mircea_popescu: but anyone else... who cares if the bill comes due just as you're due for pension payments? hm ?

18:09:52 bounce: also depends on your perception. this is perhaps the more cogent point. who's going to be right? well... if we're lucky and they're not a lot of the cogs in the usg are going to feel mightily blindsided.

18:09:56 mircea_popescu: every current usg employee is in direct danger of starvation, once they reach old age. better make some good friends and suck up to the fambly, because the usg won't be here to pick up their tabs.

18:10:07 mircea_popescu: bounce not so.

18:10:18 mircea_popescu: it takes precious little luck for the woodchpper to grind a whole forrest.

18:10:25 mircea_popescu: all it takes is a little time and a coupla determined people.

18:10:29 mircea_popescu: the tools are present.

18:10:34 Azelphur: don't suppose anyone here knows the solution to http://pastebin.com/USqRfYca ?

18:10:34 assbot: $ git commit -S gpg: skipped "Alfie "Azelphur" Day <support@azelphur.com>": sec - Pastebin.com

18:11:00 mircea_popescu: Azelphur you missing the secret key ?

18:11:41 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: that's the part that makes no sense, I shouldn't be, it's the same key I've always used on this machine since the dawn of time, I only have one key, gpg --list-secret-keys shows one key

18:11:45 Azelphur: It shouldn't be*

18:11:53 bounce: perhaps depends on a gpg agent that isn't running or perhaps doesn't have the key loaded

18:12:10 Azelphur: bounce: that's possible, the key does require a passphrase

18:12:11 mircea_popescu: you see why this is not the sort of thing another could help with Azelphur. check the secret keyring ? maybe is there a pinentry involved that fails silently ?

18:12:20 nubbins`: try clearsigning something

18:12:38 kakobrekla: just show us your private key

18:12:49 mircea_popescu: nobody really knows the intricate details of your own "dawn of time" history but you

18:13:08 Azelphur: nubbins`: echo "Hello world" | gpg --clearsign works fine

18:13:23 nubbins`: passwd prompt?

18:13:28 Azelphur: nubbins`: nope

18:13:32 *: nubbins` nods

18:13:54 bounce: well then. time to dig into git for a bit.

18:14:31 punkman: Azelphur: try this: git config --global user.signingkey FFFFFFFF

18:14:40 guruvan: or perhaps the .git/config doesn't

18:14:56 guruvan: have the right key in there?

18:15:04 Azelphur: punkman: thanks, that solved it

18:15:05 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> http://antilop.cc/sr/files/2014_10_06_Government_Response_To_Horowitz_Declaration.pdf << PHP databases << whether they are or they aren't, that's what the us govt will claim there was. because it's a noncontroversial tech, much like hollywood still shows diskettes in movies to this day.

18:15:23 mircea_popescu: for a bunch of experts that use excel, the controlling factor is to make sure the story's believable.

18:15:24 nubbins`: they do?

18:15:51 mircea_popescu: nubbins` on occasion

18:16:05 nubbins`: interesting, "the net" was the last movie i recall seeing a 3.5"

18:16:29 nubbins`: ;;google the net sandra bullock

18:16:29 gribble: The Net (1995) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113957/; The Net (1995 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Net_(1995_film); Amazon.com: The Net: Sandra Bullock, Jeremy Northam, Dennis ...: http://www.amazon.com/The-Net-Sandra-Bullock/dp/0800141768

18:16:52 nubbins`: 19 years, wow

18:17:35 mircea_popescu: "Snoops" The Stolen Diskette (TV Episode 2000)

18:18:19 mircea_popescu: apparently Live Free or Die Hard (2007) was one of the first films to use the sticks.

18:19:08 mircea_popescu: S1m0ne (2002), has a floppy in there.

18:19:10 mike_c: ooh, SR was using "php databases"

18:19:19 mircea_popescu: and omfg that was an atrociously bad film jesus

18:19:28 mike_c: no wonder it sucked

18:20:09 mircea_popescu: it did ? (i have nfi)

18:20:12 mike_c: "Silk Road’s reliance on PHP databases was readily observable from the website itself during the time of its operation"

18:20:21 mike_c: this is gov't derping from the filing.

18:20:31 mike_c: hopefully such a thing doesn't actually exist.

18:20:37 mike_c: they are just talking about phpmyadmin.

18:20:57 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: be a real writer and write from Androad with autocorrect << so much win

18:21:41 mircea_popescu: mike_c i wouldn't really take anything the govt says at face value. the derps in that courtroom painfully remind of http://fraudsters.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/

18:21:42 assbot: Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:23:00 mike_c: oh no, to be clear I am laughing at them.

18:23:12 thickasthieves: the trading chat is all "we'll have one more new low, then moon"

18:23:31 mircea_popescu: o they caught on have they.

18:23:43 thickasthieves: nope

18:23:48 mircea_popescu: i guess I should make a little infographic while at it.

18:24:03 thickasthieves: they missed the low, and now wan to will it into being

18:24:40 thickasthieves: at least that's what the good old rooibos tells me

18:24:57 mircea_popescu: oh oh. lol. shoulda read moar fraudsters.

18:25:03 mircea_popescu: which chan is this ?

18:25:15 thickasthieves: not a chan sadly, tradingview.com

18:25:22 thickasthieves: the least trollboxy one ive found

18:25:47 thickasthieves: still took a lot of ignores to be decent tho

18:25:59 fluffypony: mmmm, rooibos iced tea with vanilla vodka

18:26:08 bounce: there is only one original trollbox

18:26:09 fluffypony: Such nomos7

18:26:22 fluffypony: FFs, stupid autocorrect

18:27:33 thickasthieves: it's a great website though

18:28:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00074535 = 11.4039 BTC [+]

18:28:37 thickasthieves: i should use though less tho

18:29:45 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

18:29:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 330.33, Best ask: 331.53, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 331.55, 24 hour volume: 24923.24390781, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 336.99, 24 hour vwap: 327.245791236

18:30:40 thestringpuller: haven't seen fluffypony in awhile

18:37:08 thickasthieves: someone dumped AM1 i see

18:37:21 thickasthieves: bad news?

18:37:43 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: wow you tore gavin a new one on qntra.

18:38:01 mircea_popescu: nobody forces derps to derp.

18:41:26 thestringpuller: He didn't even respond...caught with his pants down to see that his balls are missing?

18:42:53 thickasthieves: why would he respond?

18:43:00 thickasthieves: he already chose his team

18:43:40 thestringpuller: Team USG!

18:43:53 thestringpuller: USA USA USA!

18:43:56 thestringpuller: so bad. :(

18:45:37 nubbins`: !t h am1

18:45:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.10010000 / 0.11865812 / 0.14600000 (303 shares, 35.95341020 BTC), 7D: 0.10000001 / 0.13318606 / 0.19210002 (1622 shares, 216.02778869 BTC), 30D: 0.10000001 / 0.15787022 / 0.26900000 (5077 shares, 801.50712295 BTC)

18:46:01 thickasthieves: bloomberg tv talking about blockchain $30m and btc

18:46:27 thickasthieves: theyll be interviewed too

18:49:08 nubbins`: blockchain.info is a handy enough read-only wallet that i haven't bothered trying any others

18:50:18 thickasthieves: i used it for a bit but stopped

18:52:39 mircea_popescu: they;re one of the lenders, but! i gotta say they parlayed very little into a whole lot. they don't actually have enough btc on hand to justify a 30mn grant.

18:53:15 thickasthieves: i dont understand how you put $30m into a wallet company and take $30m+ back out

18:53:29 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/ << thickasthieves you can tell the tradechats that one :D

18:53:30 assbot: This is how much I rule (today) pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:53:42 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves which is why it's called a grant.

18:56:48 thickasthieves: lol they arent ready

18:57:18 nubbins`: oh fuck, wow

18:57:35 nubbins`: earlier today, headline on cbc news website was "freight train operators report falling asleep on job"

18:57:41 mircea_popescu: anyway. baring some sort of miracle, that's that.

18:57:46 mircea_popescu: and miracles are in short supply these days.

18:57:55 nubbins`: all about being overworked, no sleep, etc

18:58:02 mircea_popescu: kinda longstanding problem thios

18:58:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 114 @ 0.01059769 = 1.2081 BTC [+] {3}

18:58:18 nubbins`: that's no longer the main headline because we now have BREAKING: Major train derailment near Wadena, Sask.

18:59:00 thickasthieves: ouch

18:59:13 mircea_popescu: ouch

19:04:38 bounce: well, that's one way to spin control

19:05:23 mircea_popescu: bounce how do you mean ?

19:06:03 bounce: eh n'mind.

19:07:23 mircea_popescu: dub: assets is gop sponsored chan << yeah, but the great old party in question is the guelph.

19:07:45 bounce: oh, anhydrous ammonia, "highly toxic" says cnbs. to aquatic animals, says wikipedia.

19:07:55 thestringpuller: what was that article about giving engineers too much money on fraudsters?

19:08:01 bounce: s/cnbs/cbc/

19:08:07 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com too much money engineer

19:08:07 gribble: The problem of too much money pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/; ArsDigita: From Start-Up to Bust-Up - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html; The psychology of the bagholder pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/

19:08:12 mircea_popescu: there you go.

19:10:46 thestringpuller: I wonder if the enemy is lurking on fraudsters.

19:12:34 thickasthieves: well after the SEC interaction he probly got on some lists ;)

19:12:38 fluffypony: thestringpuller: I'm around

19:12:39 chetty: they would be fools not to

19:12:42 fluffypony: just been busy

19:14:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/

19:16:34 rithm: roflcopter

19:17:01 thestringpuller: random: is davout still on honeymoon leave?

19:17:19 mircea_popescu: wasnt he here earlier ?

19:18:24 thickasthieves: yeah he said hi and that the honeymoon is over

19:19:08 mircea_popescu: assbot: Press Release October 7, 2014: Bitcoin Foundation Financial Standards Working Group Leads the Way for Mainstream Bitcoin Adoption | The Bitcoin Foundation << they really should stop competing with the onion.

19:19:46 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: it looks like a B getting probed analy <<< would you prefer an octopus ?

19:19:52 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes

19:20:01 mircea_popescu: come to thinkj about it me too.

19:20:06 fluffypony: the symbol for Hydra from the Marvel comics would be awesome

19:20:33 mircea_popescu: http://www.whitezine.com/en/motion/octopus-video.html

19:20:34 assbot: Octopus Video | Whitezine | Design Graphic & Photography Inspirations

19:22:18 mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2159692/Womans-mouth-falls-pregnant-squid-biting-sea-creature-scientists-claim.html << better yet lol

19:22:19 assbot: Woman's mouth 'falls pregnant' to twelve squid after biting into sea creature, scientists claim | Daily Mail Online

19:23:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: No need for a symbol. BTC is fine. People build friendly 'nugh interfaces with BTC << yeahy but then how would vessenes' scam ring issue "press releases" about things and stuff ?

19:24:02 thickasthieves: i was loading some stuff into the fridge earlier and felt like a web or string my neck, so i grabbed and flicked to floor. it was a huge red wasp.

19:24:16 mircea_popescu: those can be dangerous

19:24:50 thickasthieves: just glad it didnt get me

19:24:57 nubbins`: wasps are dickheads

19:25:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: how is XBT better ? << it's great in that it gives btc the occasion to show the entire iso process the door.

19:25:32 nubbins`: bees are bros though

19:26:20 thickasthieves: 'I was in a loving, healthy, great relationship for four years,' she told the magazine. 'It was long distance, and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn or he’s going to look at you.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2783719/Jennifer-Lawrence-speaks-time-nude-photo-leak-Vanity-Fair.html

19:26:20 assbot: Jennifer Lawrence speaks out for the first time about nude photo leak to Vanity Fair | Daily Mail Online

19:26:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00074535 = 0.8944 BTC [+]

19:26:41 mircea_popescu: well... porn of you, at any rate.

19:26:56 mircea_popescu: these self-righteous cunts. it's porn when other women do it, amirite ?

19:27:29 mircea_popescu: shut up and embrace it. when we want porn, you do porn. when porridge is fashionable you make porrige and if sandwiches come into fashion you make sandwiches. wtf is this.

19:28:29 thickasthieves: also, long-distance is a correctable disposition

19:28:45 thickasthieves: just stop having a career and go home

19:28:52 BingoBoingo: Ebook software can suck too http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/10/07/1725232/adobe-spies-on-users-ebook-libraries

19:28:53 assbot: Adobe Spies On Users' eBook Libraries - Slashdot

19:29:19 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves or stop calling "a career" menial, servant jobs which don't afford you being with your family.

19:29:29 mircea_popescu: that's what motherfucking careers are : lines of work where you can do what you please.

19:29:36 mircea_popescu: doing what you have to is for house servants.

19:29:40 thickasthieves: hallelujah

19:30:43 bounce: "deputy cto", such an interesting job title.

19:31:23 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: Note that it's ironic that I actually made this purchase by mistake because I thought the "Deposit" button meant , yknow, depositing funds, not exchanging currencies. Your system of dollarifying all numbers is obnoxious. Let people type in bitcoin amounts and understand it as a separate currency. You're just confusing things." <<< they're not JUST confusing things.

19:31:28 mircea_popescu: merely doing what told.

19:31:48 mircea_popescu: bounce that feels like it should have a titty in there.

19:31:50 BingoBoingo: bingoboingo cazalla heh check out the furry of attention your little project is getting from our enemies. methinks we;ve struck oil here. << I think the individual blogs stung from time to time. The concentrated effort on a news as information service scares them.

19:31:57 thickasthieves: when i showed my wife the TBF nonprofit documents she commented "Chief Scientist" is an odd job title for a nonprofit

19:32:26 mircea_popescu: yeah well chief derp didn't sound as exciting to the prospective candidate

19:32:53 thickasthieves: also noted that the exec is actually a paid consultant from a separate company

19:33:03 thickasthieves: not unheard of , but notbale

19:33:16 thickasthieves: i got some good typos today

19:33:45 mircea_popescu: lol

19:34:32 mircea_popescu: anyway, she needn't worry : the third party company is where the siphoned funds are headed. the foundation is just the scamming public front.

19:35:16 rithm: but this is the intertubes, it must be science'd

19:36:00 thickasthieves: she thought ot was the exec title at first, since he's the only guy on payroll

19:36:11 rithm: economics is scientific and mostly theoretical, chief scientist sounds legit on a spaceship

19:36:42 mircea_popescu: rithm your rhymes!

19:37:30 rithm: let's do this next: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8422864

19:37:31 assbot: Build a bank | Hacker News

19:37:34 rithm: whatever that is

19:38:40 rithm: it really time for a bank named triangle, rhombus, trapezoid, or dodecagon

19:38:57 thickasthieves: dogecagon

19:39:15 mircea_popescu: or it could just be called calgon and also fix your washing machine.

19:39:15 rithm: i may be too late for triangle bank

19:39:30 thickasthieves: and fix your depression

19:40:00 rithm: some pills are hexagon, so hexagon bank would operate on new planes of banking

19:40:45 rithm: yeah that depression quote from earlier nearly made me bleed out

19:41:05 rithm: thankfully my secretary found me in time and administered beer

19:41:39 mircea_popescu: these people are out of a parody i swear. every single day. EVERY SINGLE DAY there's a "protest" in buenos aires. bout a hundred or so people gather (50 or so being the same throughout), drum the same tune on perhaps he same drums. each day.

19:41:43 mircea_popescu: it's almost like alternative busking.

19:42:00 mircea_popescu: i wonder who arranges the scheduling for all this.

19:43:13 rithm: #occupy?

19:44:16 mircea_popescu: i like how danielpbarron is -30 on the wot and +5 to assbot

19:44:33 mircea_popescu: if there's ever a need for illustration of the concept of total trust, and it's pointlessness - that's it

19:46:26 jurov: does or will qntra sell adspace?

19:46:45 mircea_popescu: eventually. it's an iffy topic.

19:47:15 ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> !up startup_isninja << lol

19:47:22 thickasthieves: i hope they dont do ads

19:47:26 thickasthieves: i'd rather just pay

19:47:31 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: is the third-party corp identified yet?

19:47:56 thickasthieves: so tired of ads in my face

19:48:54 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic yeah, ycombinator scamring

19:49:01 midnightmagic: sigh

19:49:04 mircea_popescu: whatever they call the sub in question.

19:49:31 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic judges commonly view through defendants corporate structrurings, if those are intended to mask the real interests in the case.

19:49:36 mircea_popescu: why do you think this'd be any differen ?

19:50:03 midnightmagic: I don't. It's just irritating.

19:57:35 thickasthieves: ;;later tell pankkake bitfetch.com seems dead and i am sad

19:57:36 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:58:36 thestringpuller: what is bitfetch?

19:59:09 thickasthieves: remote encrypted torrent dwnloader

20:00:08 thickasthieves: you put in a magnet link and it downloads and zips the file for you to download directly, for a small btc fee

20:00:43 thickasthieves: not so small, in hindsight, but yknow

20:01:08 thestringpuller: there was another site like that that was listed on GLBSE

20:01:13 thestringpuller: but i think he got shut down

20:06:14 mats_cd03: how is it things like that get shut down, but seedbox providers continue to operate?

20:06:56 jurov: how it got shud down?

20:07:07 jurov: *shut

20:12:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.12 = 1.08 BTC [-]

20:14:46 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/you-cant-have-fun-with-words-in-a-laboratory-environment/

20:15:02 thickasthieves: nice headline "Airbitz’s Touchless Bitcoin Wallet Targets Novices, Evangelists Alike"

20:21:26 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/ulbrich-defense-has-48-hours-to-counter-prosecutions-horowitz-rebuttal/

20:21:29 thickasthieves: https://blog.twitter.com/2014/taking-the-fight-for-transparency-to-court

20:21:30 assbot: Taking the fight for #transparency to court | Twitter Blogs

20:24:10 thestringpuller: ulbrich is gonna get off

20:24:13 thestringpuller: thats what she said

21:08:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14648977 = 1.4649 BTC [+] {5}

21:26:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14789991 = 1.479 BTC [+] {4}

22:05:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 118 @ 0.11598923 = 13.6867 BTC [-] {6}

22:28:03 kakobrekla: <Dizzle> hey, how do I use this #bitcoin-assets channel? assbot is down < heh

22:28:31 kakobrekla: down for a minute and i get complaints.

22:31:57 mthreat: kakobrekla: a good sign

22:32:05 mthreat: kakobrekla: no one complains about useless software

22:33:43 kakobrekla: mebbe

22:33:46 kakobrekla: unless forced to use it

22:35:52 penguirker: New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/cavirtex-technical-issue/

22:36:58 thickasthieves: oh man i just made another great typo, discussing how the bearwhale was actually the 'givernment'

22:47:24 nubbins`: <+thickasthieves> dogecagon ,,google bobcaygeon

22:47:32 nubbins`: ,,fail ;(

22:47:42 nubbins`: ;;google bobcaygeon

22:47:43 gribble: Bobcaygeon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobcaygeon; The Tragically Hip - Bobcaygeon - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6QDjDPRF5c; Bobcaygeon & Area Chamber of Commerce: http://www.bobcaygeon.org/

22:48:35 mats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaB3Zw5_p9c assange seems to get it

22:48:35 assbot: Julian Assange: Bitcoin is Much More Than Just a Currency - YouTube

23:01:45 Daniel_Krawisz: ;;rate bitstein 10

23:01:46 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user bitstein has been recorded.

23:01:58 Daniel_Krawisz: Wups, wrong tab.

23:03:05 thickasthieves: we dont mind in channel ratings

23:03:11 nubbins`: 10!

23:03:27 thickasthieves: 10 would have sex again

23:03:50 nubbins`: 10+++

23:04:03 kakobrekla: i wouldnt give 10 to my mother

23:04:20 nubbins`: ;;rated nanotube

23:04:21 gribble: You rated user nanotube on Tue Aug 12 18:41:45 2014, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: If you don't trust nano....

23:04:43 kakobrekla: maybe a 7 or an 8.

23:05:43 kakobrekla: highest i have given is 8

23:05:54 thickasthieves: would you give 10 to yourself?

23:06:00 Daniel_Krawisz: Ok, well it's reciprocal altruism.

23:06:17 nubbins`: thickasthieves -1 not sure if trust

23:06:20 kakobrekla: thickasthieves dunno im biased

23:06:33 thickasthieves: dpnt be so hard on urself

23:06:35 nubbins`: highest otherwise i've given is 2

23:06:45 nubbins`: i mean, come on

23:06:55 kakobrekla: the '8' is 'know him in real life for 10years+'

23:07:16 Daniel_Krawisz: oh ok. Well I guess we've been using a different convention.

23:07:34 kakobrekla: Daniel_Krawisz feel free to rate 11 if you wanna

23:07:38 kakobrekla: we just talking.

23:07:38 nubbins`: i know plenty of people 10y+ that i don't trust

23:07:59 nubbins`: even the nano rating is a lel, but it's true as well

23:08:06 kakobrekla: nubbins` yeah but time is a nonescapable condition

23:08:46 Daniel_Krawisz: Thanks, I downgraded him to 8.

23:09:41 bitstein: We are still trying to learn the best rating scales for our purposes. Perhaps a 10 is too high, but we want to signal a strong bond between board members of SNI. Moving to an 8.

23:10:32 Daniel_Krawisz: We're actually conjoined twins.

23:10:36 Daniel_Krawisz: So that's a literal strong bond.

23:10:50 kakobrekla: where does it say all members of your thing should have equal ratings to eachother and why

23:11:14 thickasthieves: you dont want to 'signal' anything

23:12:11 thickasthieves: it's ok to trust one board member more than another

23:12:14 Daniel_Krawisz: Well if I'm not supposed to signal anything, then I'll just give everybody random numbers as ratings.

23:12:22 thickasthieves: it helps YOU too to realize and enact this

23:13:09 kakobrekla: for example, i rated mp 3 and he rated me 5, yet we are equal partner in bitbet.

23:13:18 kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading.

23:13:24 thickasthieves: lol

23:14:27 Daniel_Krawisz: Haha

23:15:18 bitstein: Okay, well as I clearly said, we are still learning. Our ratings will adjust over time. I actually probably need to give Daniel a complex number. A 7i + 6.

23:16:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00074326 = 3.0474 BTC [-]

23:16:58 thickasthieves: bitstein, we dont actually know whats best, we just talk like it

23:19:31 Daniel_Krawisz: It's a good way to establish a dominance hierarchy.

23:19:39 bitstein: Word. I’d definitely be interested to learn how different people have thought through their ratings scale, though.

23:20:58 danielpbarron: i think of it as an exponential thing -- not sure what the base is

23:21:58 thickasthieves: ;;market sell 5000

23:22:00 gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 1575560.1919 USD and would take the last price down to 297.7100 USD, resulting in an average price of 315.1120 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0388 seconds

23:22:18 thickasthieves: stampers arent out of money yet

23:24:12 bitstein: danielpbarron: This. This is the base. http://youtu.be/eyPZFi2b380?t=3m16s

23:24:13 assbot: Josey Wales "Nothing Extra" - YouTube

23:24:48 bitstein: ^ That is how I view the WoT.

23:27:45 mats_cd03: https://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/stephen-collins-child-molestation-7th-heaven-audio-tape-nypd-investigation

23:27:46 assbot: '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins - Confesses on Tape to Child Molestation ... NYPD Investigating | TMZ.com

23:30:09 Daniel_Krawisz: Gang's all here now.

23:34:05 mats_cd03: what of Mr. Wilson?

23:34:28 Daniel_Krawisz: We broke his window with a baseball.

23:35:23 mats_cd03: guess you'll have to call tim the tool man

23:37:33 Daniel_Krawisz: So I'm curious as to why mercea_popescu has been saying that an increased block size is a security problem. What's the issue here?

23:38:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25508 @ 0.0007459 = 19.0264 BTC [+] {2}

23:40:53 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

23:40:55 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 332.93, Best ask: 333.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 332.92, 24 hour volume: 22642.94964933, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 336.99, 24 hour vwap: 326.71802822

23:41:04 thickasthieves: rise!

23:41:53 Daniel_Krawisz: So I'm curious as to why mircea_popescu has been saying that an increased block size is a security problem. What's the issue here? (sorry, I suck at spelling)

23:42:11 danielpbarron: Daniel_Krawisz, bigger blocks, fewer full nodes, less decentralizedness

23:42:41 thickasthieves: it's ever-increasing, increased the burden on nodes, and places pressure on the one leg of bitcoin that isnt properly compensated

23:42:55 Daniel_Krawisz: Oh, ok. Yeah, something needs to be done about that but I think it's a solvable problem.

23:43:15 thickasthieves: i'm having no part in a fork tho

23:43:47 thickasthieves: we built this city on rock n roll

23:44:07 Daniel_Krawisz: Me neither. I would rather see the block size go up. If that creates a crisis of not enough full notes, then people are going to do something about that pretty quick I'd guess.

23:45:02 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Daniel_Krawisz

23:45:02 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Daniel_Krawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Daniel_Krawisz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Daniel_Krawisz | Rated since: never

23:45:19 Daniel_Krawisz: I logged in with the wrong name accidentally. It should be DanielKrawisz

23:45:29 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust DanielKrawisz

23:45:30 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Daniel_Krawisz!~dragonfly@50.97.94.39-static.reverse.softlayer.com. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user DanielKrawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=DanielKrawisz | WoT data: (1 more message)

23:46:13 danielpbarron: Daniel_Krawisz, type /nick DanielKrawisz

23:46:26 DanielKrawisz: Thanks.

23:47:10 mike_c: i bought a 4tb hdd for $190 the other day.

23:48:15 mats_cd03: !s rubber hose cryptanalysis

23:48:16 assbot: 3 results for 'rubber hose cryptanalysis' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rubber+hose+cryptanalysis

23:48:59 danielpbarron: as to the conversation regarding BTC or XBC, a suitable symbol is '$' because, screw the dollar

23:49:10 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate DanielKrawisz 5 excellent writer who can’t spell - SNI compadre

23:49:11 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user DanielKrawisz has been recorded.

23:50:38 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate bitstein 5 knows how to code, has a nose for scammers - SNI compadre

23:50:39 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user bitstein has changed from 10 to 5.

23:51:04 DanielKrawisz: Wow, major downgrade.

23:51:20 bitstein: I’m half the man I used to be.

23:51:59 napedia: ;;rate DanielKrawisz 5 Altcoin Hitler

23:52:00 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user DanielKrawisz has been recorded.

23:52:04 danielpbarron: ;;rate Pierre_Rochard 1 https://twitter.com/Pierre_Rochard

23:52:06 assbot: Pierre Rochard (@Pierre_Rochard) | Twitter

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23:52:12 Pierre_Rochard: DanielKrawisz: I lost trust in humanity as a whole, it’s nothing personal

23:52:40 bitstein: Pierre_Rochard is the David Seaman of SNI.

23:53:23 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 I know my tweets are good when he favorites them https://twitter.com/danielpbarron

23:53:26 assbot: Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) | Twitter

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23:55:29 danielpbarron: <3

23:56:22 bitstein: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 encourages my self-flagellation https://twitter.com/danielpbarron

23:56:25 assbot: Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) | Twitter

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23:56:29 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/

23:58:12 kakobrekla: !s sni

23:58:13 assbot: 7 results for 'sni' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=sni

23:59:11 thickasthieves: excuse my ignorance, but cant the node cost problem be solved simply by running pay-node businesses?

23:59:40 bitstein: kakobrekla: this is a better search - http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nakamoto+institute

23:59:41 assbot: 23 results for 'nakamoto institute' - #bitcoin-assets search

23:59:46 thickasthieves: like send 1000sat and your tx will get relayed