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00:01:31 cazalla: https://blockchain.info/address/148MpUsfJvgv5xGWvVqKLeVuuvy3pN8QGg one of the guy's alleged addresses

00:01:31 assbot: Bitcoin Address 148MpUsfJvgv5xGWvVqKLeVuuvy3pN8QGg

00:02:53 mircea_popescu: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/q0PT7s4e

00:02:54 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 MiniGame (S.MG), October 201 - Pastebin.com

00:02:54 punkbot: mircea_popescu: No valid deeds found, try again. (invalid: 1)

00:05:12 mircea_popescu: omg wtf gpg doesn't veriufy its own clearsigned output

00:07:04 mircea_popescu: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/rh2bYpJq

00:07:04 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 MiniGame (S.MG), October 201 - Pastebin.com

00:07:04 punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

00:07:07 mircea_popescu: aok

00:10:39 punkbot: Bundled 9 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/14r4VdZF

00:11:05 mircea_popescu: cazalla omaigawd, traffic dropped. now you gotta fire someone!!

00:13:00 punkbot: Confirmed bundle 14r4VdZFYJnGG52B6w9Th7oKjGXU1pDzKX | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/14r4VdZF

00:13:01 cazalla: well, BingoBoingo brought yesterdays traffic so if he can't maintain it for more than a day....

00:13:39 BingoBoingo: A, well. Hard to fire people when there isn't a payroll...

00:22:10 BingoBoingo: http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06477.html

00:22:11 assbot: Re: [Bitcoin-development] The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug

00:22:50 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2li3gq/the_guy_who_bought_a_tesla_with_bitcoin_it_was/ << crankbait discussed

00:22:51 assbot: The guy who bought a Tesla with Bitcoin? It was the "DPR2" from Silk Road....pillar of industry : Buttcoin

00:41:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00068807 = 17.4082 BTC [+]

00:42:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00068794 = 7.361 BTC [-] {2}

00:50:24 mircea_popescu: lol tesla got confiscated ?

00:50:34 mircea_popescu: besides, i thought bugpowder bought a tesla.

00:52:25 mircea_popescu: decimation: most folks today never learn about the complete Apocalypse that faced german people after wwii <<< i hear berlin chicks had a lot of fun in '45.

00:54:05 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: supay: Qntra takes a lot of things. <<< yeah, but not kidz! we do not take your kidz!

00:54:47 mircea_popescu: ;;isup bitbet.us

00:54:48 gribble: bitbet.us is up

00:54:54 mircea_popescu: aok

00:58:09 mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck keeps upping ninjashogun

01:03:42 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: If the day ever comes where you want to switch professions from engineer to gangsta, I'm totally down to ride or die with you. Lets just hope it never comes to that ;) <<< if you two do that, a film is guaranteed.

01:04:28 mircea_popescu: bounce: you know, if the IRS says that virtual currencies aren't currencies, how can the SEC keep on claiming they are? << you're new here aren't you.

01:05:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta love how the us propaganda machine studiously omits to mention who this entire "sec letters!!11" trend is trying to immitate. totally works, boyz, srsly. cuz nobody knows anything, everyone gets his informations from wired.com.

01:05:42 mircea_popescu: everyone at the retirement home.

01:06:09 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: how they convinced the masses to contribute millions...i just will never understand <<< the same way they convinced the masses that russia invaded atlanta, georgia.

01:06:37 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: proverbial cake and eating it too <<< and yet none of your renters seem to want free money ?!

01:07:45 mircea_popescu: jurov: ^ how can i comment on such nonsense? <<< vitriol.

01:10:07 Adlai: here, we see the financier in his natural habitat, conducting the daily post-accounting scrollback review

01:13:47 mircea_popescu: hai.

01:13:57 Adlai: good morning

01:14:14 mircea_popescu: i need tougher regulation to be able to do mai business. also mary jo attached to my cock.

01:15:21 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes time for bitcoin foundation to issue a statement that the only thing bitcoin needs is for politicians and other leeches to stfu and go away ?

01:15:27 *: Adlai hopes you submitted one or both requests to the BitLicense committee

01:15:28 mircea_popescu: or toosoon.

01:16:07 mircea_popescu: Adlai waiting for them to prequalify via tits article first.

01:17:32 *: Adlai begins a slow-paced infinite brainstorm of how to monetize open source trading software

01:18:09 Adlai: participation in the brainstorm requires accepting into your heart the axiom that the market is a positive-sum game

01:18:27 mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.

01:18:39 mircea_popescu: the shortcut to this being, go work for a trader, write software to improve process.

01:19:18 mircea_popescu: the market may be positive or negative-sum, it all depends.

01:19:21 Adlai: these are rather narrow paths, though. a nice path enables many to walk abreast.

01:20:32 mircea_popescu: ...

01:20:40 mircea_popescu: just how much software do you imagine is needed ?

01:20:46 mircea_popescu: this isn't fucking farming.

01:21:44 Adlai: it's some form of statistical farming

01:22:49 gernika: Visiting FB tomorrow. Anything you all want me to mention to Zuckerburg?

01:23:12 Adlai: the amount of software needed is much less relevant than its quality, which isn't correlated to man-months in any simple/linear fashion

01:23:37 Adlai: gernika: "I slept through your assembly talk, but everybody who attended said it sucked"

01:24:47 gernika: ok noted.

01:26:58 mircea_popescu: Adlai no, it's correlated with " go work for a trader, write software to improve process." in a simple, lienar fashion.

01:27:07 mircea_popescu: in the sense that f(!x) = 0.

01:29:57 Adlai: damn you and your flawless logic

01:30:18 mircea_popescu: it correlates with logic in a simple, linear fashion!

01:30:39 Adlai: social scientists HATE him!

01:32:05 mircea_popescu: social(somethingsomething)ists

01:33:38 Adlai: in primary school, we had "social studies" class... let's just call them that, and the members of this field - "social students"

01:34:17 Adlai: Q:"what do you do?" A:"i'm a career student" Q:"damn, how are the student loans hitting you?" A:"actually, i just got tenured"

01:36:24 mircea_popescu: lol.

01:39:15 Adlai: out of curiosity, in the brave new GPG economy, what's the use of claiming "This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx." ?

01:40:21 BingoBoingo: <Adlai> out of curiosity, in the brave new GPG economy, what's the use of claiming "This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx." ? << Basically to hurt the copyrastas

01:40:40 mircea_popescu: Adlai at the very least that i'll negrate you if you do ?

01:41:29 Adlai: that turned personal quite quickly

01:41:39 *: Adlai knows it's just a figure of speech

01:42:25 Adlai: negrating doesn't hurt anybody who's not in the WoT, and a fair amount (all?) of copyrasta economic activity is done outside of the WoT...

01:42:25 mircea_popescu: well, english does not have a proper impersonal pronoun.

01:42:30 mircea_popescu: "you" in general. "one".

01:42:35 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/teddy/status/530147575697907712/photo/1

01:42:37 assbot: there were about 20 FBI agents searching my neighbor’s tesla and suv earlier today in the mission. /hashtag/mystery?src=hash http://t.co/o5YZmFnKpO

01:44:03 Adlai: well, english++ has "∀(violater) → negration"

01:45:05 mircea_popescu: and if the activity is done outside of the law,

01:45:15 mircea_popescu: then it is quite clear what it means. i'll sue.

01:45:32 Adlai: which law? :)

01:45:37 mircea_popescu: the contemporary equivalent of "i'll send a bunch of rogues to stab you in the throat"

01:45:39 mircea_popescu: wot. the only law.

01:46:14 Adlai: how do you press charges against wot violators?

01:46:37 Adlai: negrating is more akin to merely filing them

01:47:01 mircea_popescu: you don't follow. lemme detail it!

01:47:29 *: Adlai has read "GPG Contracts" and "Complete Theory of Economics" already, although may be fuzzy on the details

01:47:43 mircea_popescu: centuries ago, the natural mode of administering justice was, club over head. the legal system was developed as a better alternative to this. so, if one was reachable by the courts, you'd sue. if not however, club->head.

01:48:18 mircea_popescu: this lasted until a year or two ago , and which point the wot became the legal system. at this point necessarily the previous, obsolete fiat cvasi-legal system became the club->head method.

01:48:43 mircea_popescu: so today, if one is in the wot, he gets neg'd. and if is not... club->head, according to what that means currently, ie, sued in a fiat court of "law".

01:48:46 mircea_popescu: clear enuff ?

01:50:40 BingoBoingo: Goes back to if there is an unauthorized Penguin edition of a nubbins' #B-A book. Penguin gets real sued.

01:50:48 mircea_popescu: right.

01:51:14 Adlai: "outside the law" and "sue" now take on tiered meanings, with each transgression offering up a new avenue of redress. i like this.

01:51:21 mircea_popescu: ayup.

01:51:51 Adlai: although still missing is a way of negrating people who aren't yet in the wot

01:52:18 mircea_popescu: well, exactly like there was missing a way to sue people in the western terrirories.

01:52:34 mircea_popescu: for as long as the place is a dump inhabited by mexicans and indians, its not really needed

01:52:54 Adlai: something like "I negrate the person known as ABC and/or XYZ, holder of passport number 123456789"

01:52:56 mircea_popescu: the ONLY way it can become something other than a dump is inextricably linked to getting the legal system, so.

01:52:56 dub: my god that gawker article is retarded

01:53:07 Adlai: s/article/reader

01:53:09 mircea_popescu: dub hey, write a qntra piece! for me!

01:53:37 mircea_popescu: Adlai nothing keeps you from making that a deed right now.

01:53:42 dub: not sure i've read gawker before, its buzzfeed isnt it

01:53:45 dub: mircea_popescu: on?

01:53:49 *: Adlai hastily mutters something about the lack of proper impersonal pronouns

01:53:55 mircea_popescu: and since the b-a domain is so powerful, you'll prolly fuck up their google fu forever.

01:54:03 mircea_popescu: dub i dunno, what am i, the micromanaging tyrant of a cult ?

01:54:06 mircea_popescu: use yer noggin.

01:54:57 dub: praps in a month or two when noggin is operational

01:55:34 mircea_popescu: works.

01:55:36 dub: split day/night weeks is like being on crack

01:55:42 Adlai: the deed system does seem like a step forwards from gribble-wot

01:55:50 mircea_popescu: dub what are you doing, guarding dcs ?!

01:56:23 Adlai: what exactly is your sleep schedule in such a week?

01:56:23 mircea_popescu: nanotube btw, give deeds.bitcoin-assets.com a spin sometime ? i think it may well be ready.

01:56:31 dub: wrangling internets per usual

02:02:31 dub: Adlai: its variable, 3 or 4 nights 0400-1000 balance trying to be useful during daylight

02:04:04 mircea_popescu: see, had you followed that bloomingdale's executive program you wouldn't have to work nights.

02:04:15 *: Adlai wonders when we'll start selecting for faster native garbage collection

02:04:32 Adlai: the phenotype is definitely out there

02:04:52 dub: then I'd be slumming on exec money

02:08:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.0006868 = 11.2979 BTC [-] {2}

02:09:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, others: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/buterin.png

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02:09:27 BingoBoingo: !b 1

02:10:58 asciilifeform: shamelessly photodiddled.

02:11:33 asciilifeform: who wants, can use wherever.

02:11:47 thestringpuller: greatest thing ever!

02:11:48 Adlai: is it based off something?

02:12:03 asciilifeform: clipart from www.

02:12:04 *: Adlai has been out of the ethereum loop for just about as long as it's existed

02:12:06 mircea_popescu: shit that's good.

02:12:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why water tho ? fecal matter != water

02:12:19 Adlai: oh, not some official infographic thingy

02:12:21 asciilifeform: just crapped it out

02:12:29 asciilifeform: 'official' ?!?!

02:12:42 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm going to put in on qntra. List the steps under it, as list you as the author so you get the shares for the text.

02:12:48 asciilifeform: whatever.

02:13:01 mircea_popescu: why is it

02:13:03 mircea_popescu: 'waterall"

02:13:09 Adlai: it almost looked like a satire of some hypothetical nice tidy explanation of how ether flows about or whoknowswhattardation

02:13:12 thestringpuller: buterin's water cycle?

02:13:12 asciilifeform: fuck.

02:13:13 asciilifeform: 1sec

02:13:22 mircea_popescu: you orgot how to f ?

02:13:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm only doing this because you said who ever wants can use. Will then be used to put you on the cunt raw

02:14:47 BingoBoingo: In other news picked up a new sharp object today for pencil sharpening and protecting the starfish against less than state level malefactors.

02:14:47 Adlai: and there i was, reading it as "squinter"

02:16:42 asciilifeform: phixed.

02:16:44 asciilifeform: reload.

02:18:39 asciilifeform: lol, how many qntra 'words' does this score?

02:19:53 *: asciilifeform puts ancient 'wacom' away for another year or two.

02:21:20 *: asciilifeform not specialist.

02:23:57 asciilifeform: fecal << if somebody wants to do a similar job involving a 'nitrogen fixation cycle' graphic, why the hell not.

02:24:11 mircea_popescu: just make the water brown

02:24:18 mircea_popescu: ;;google until the water turns brown zappa

02:24:19 gribble: Let's Make the Water Turn Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let's_Make_the_Water_Turn_Black; Inventionis Mater - Wait 'till the fire turns green! (Frank Zappa) - Live ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-LYJSAMWTg; Frank Zappa - Let's make the water turn black - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcsF_QkMCpQ

02:24:22 asciilifeform: whither shitfalls in nature?

02:25:15 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcsF_QkMCpQ <

02:25:15 assbot: Frank Zappa - Let's make the water turn black - YouTube

02:25:16 asciilifeform: 'Let's Make the Water Turn Black' << see also the infamous operetta, 'urinetown.'

02:25:34 asciilifeform: actually, it's rather relevant.

02:35:24 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/

02:35:24 assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | Qntra.net

02:35:45 asciilifeform: neato.

02:36:26 BingoBoingo: cazalla does the wordcounting

02:36:53 BingoBoingo: I'm just supposed to keep his brain from breaking

02:39:05 asciilifeform: 'USG. (Bitstamp and Coinbase)' << might wanna fix

02:39:16 asciilifeform: those were dropped in simply as examples

02:39:47 asciilifeform: likewise, 'at the bottom' - on SR, SR2, idiot chumps' machines, etc

02:40:08 BingoBoingo: k

02:40:13 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2014/11/buterins-waterfall-a-likbez/

02:41:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: revised, reload

02:42:06 asciilifeform: aha.

02:42:14 decimation: asciilifeform: you raise a good point about the h1b whining. the real problem is: how do 'tech' companies manage to profitably 'employ' legions of unskilled workers tasked with doing nothing of use?

02:42:33 asciilifeform: decimation: the original point was 'human compilers.'

02:42:46 asciilifeform: decimation: turns out, these don't work all that well.

02:44:21 asciilifeform: any software project with more than a handful of people - is inevitable crud. but this is a 'hatefact.'

02:44:27 BingoBoingo: Human compilers might have had a brighter future is 68k stayed a thing

02:44:42 asciilifeform: no.

02:45:12 BingoBoingo: Secret is you keep max RAM at 4MB

02:45:16 decimation: yeah, mythical man month and all that

02:45:44 asciilifeform: the seeds of rot are in any deviation from 'fits in head.'

02:46:03 asciilifeform: whether on present-day 64GB monster or pdp-10.

02:46:04 PeterL: speaking of visas, the group I work in is about 1/3rd immigrants, these are really smart people and the US is better off with them here.

02:46:06 asciilifeform: (see 'multics')

02:46:11 BingoBoingo: Well, data being manipulated has to go somewhere so...

02:46:18 decimation: this strongly argues for 'modular' design

02:46:44 asciilifeform: except that we haven't actually invented modularizable software yet.

02:46:50 asciilifeform: !s bedrock

02:46:51 assbot: 20 results for 'bedrock' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bedrock

02:46:52 BingoBoingo: <PeterL> speaking of visas, the group I work in is about 1/3rd immigrants, these are really smart people and the US is better off with them here. << This was the case when I TA'd pharm school. No AMericans apparently want to study/teach med chem

02:47:23 PeterL: Don't get me wrong, the group still has plenty of smart Americans as well

02:47:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: employers don't want to feed the mortgage, etc. bezzlatron. and this is perfectly logical.

02:48:29 decimation: PeterL: no doubt there are bright foreigners working in the us. I would suggest that they are here despite the existing immigration policy, not because of it

02:48:32 BingoBoingo: Right. The Usian profs, were profs part time and clinical pharmacists full time

02:49:01 PeterL: Speaking of bezzle, I just did my yearly health insurance signup. makes me mad how much I have to pay now, about 4 times as much as two years ago for the same crappy plan

02:49:40 PeterL: decimation: you might be right. My employer (from what my coworkers tell me) has to go through a ton of red tape and paperwork to keep them here

02:50:21 BingoBoingo: PeterL> decimation: you might be right. My employer (from what my coworkers tell me) has to go through a ton of red tape and paperwork to keep them here << Grandpa pays the same $80/month for medicare part B

02:50:47 decimation: BingoBoingo: you hit the nail on the head. 'health insurance' is basically 'health welfare' now

02:50:52 PeterL: my opinion is that the us should loosen the borders and let more people in

02:51:17 PeterL: but I might be a bit biased, all my girlfriends before I was 20 were immigrants

02:51:41 decimation: PeterL: would you also allow each one to collect health welfare too?

02:51:48 BingoBoingo: Why not?

02:52:02 asciilifeform: this is already happening. no need to advocate for it.

02:52:09 decimation: Sure, let's print up some more bezzle, why not

02:52:25 PeterL: decimation no, I would get the government out of the healthcare business, but I am resigned that will never happen

02:52:28 danielpbarron: do away with immigration restrictions as well as welfare programs

02:53:14 BingoBoingo: The US immingration issue is best understood when you consider that most prospective immigrants come to flee more restrictive and more socialistoid states (e.g. India, China)

02:53:30 asciilifeform: danielpbarron would make great fireman. holding a sign, 'do away with fire.'

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02:53:39 BingoBoingo: !b 1

02:54:38 danielpbarron: or a sign that reads, "hang the fire starters"

02:55:07 *: BingoBoingo remembers now why he tries to limit his sharp object purchases. Imma have to sand and refinish this desk soon...

02:55:32 BingoBoingo: And waiting seems to be the only solution to get my arm hair back

02:55:46 decimation: look, if usg got out of the money manipulation game, hard money came back, and folks had to get by on their own achievements, immigration wouldn't be an issue

02:56:18 asciilifeform: if fire got out of the burning houses business...

02:56:30 decimation: hehe yeah exactly, about as likely

02:56:36 asciilifeform: stayed in furnace where it belongs, etc

02:56:57 PeterL: we could switch to building houses out of non-flamable materials?

02:57:03 asciilifeform: 'achievements' lol.

02:57:20 decimation: asciilifeform: instead we have the 'fire brigade' who show up with a tank full of kerosene

02:57:23 asciilifeform: usa has been running on batteries since when? wilson?

02:57:32 decimation: yeah at least then, if not earlier

02:57:34 asciilifeform: with a few embers of burning europe down helping stay warm

02:57:35 decimation: maybe teddy

02:57:50 danielpbarron: PeterL, satoshi built that

02:57:56 PeterL: just fill your house with argon and live inside a spacesuit!

02:58:20 PeterL: (credit to MP's post)

02:59:19 decimation: at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america'

02:59:19 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:59:58 asciilifeform: decimation: this is only partly due to bezzle. it is also because in usa, 'they don't piss in elevators like back home.'

03:00:15 BingoBoingo: decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch?

03:00:15 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:00:15 asciilifeform: every elevator pisser on the planet dreams of meeting a virginal elevator.

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03:00:29 BingoBoingo: !b 2

03:00:58 PeterL: asciilifeform: my sister, lives in NYC, complains about the homeless bums who piss on the sidewalk

03:01:05 asciilifeform: there's plenty of delicious meat left on the bones of the gigantic dead dragon that was usa.

03:01:49 asciilifeform: considering that folks are -still- grinding down soviet army installations for metals...

03:02:12 decimation: heh I think usg still pays for highly-enriched uranium from soviet bombs

03:02:23 asciilifeform: corpse doesn't get asked what kind of worms shall eat.

03:03:01 decimation: asciilifeform: actually this is a good point. usg is ineffective at enforcing whatever 'immigration policy' it creates anyway, that's a sideshow

03:03:11 decimation: worms come when they come, eat what they will

03:03:41 asciilifeform: the only reason they even bother with visa bureaucracy is that a whole class of pestilential 'helpers' feeds off it.

03:04:10 decimation: and on the other side it's used as a club to keep the paupers in their servitude

03:04:11 asciilifeform: also a bludgeon for those who fall out of favour (employers, that is)

03:04:16 asciilifeform: they get 'cracked down'

03:04:21 decimation: heh yeah

03:04:51 decimation: I'm dubious that there is much real coordination of these things, more just random entropy in various usg departments

03:05:11 asciilifeform: no need for real coordination, just mildly guided inertia.

03:05:26 *: asciilifeform is aware of the threadbare physical metaphor here

03:06:25 decimation: yeah, if anything usg agents will do what the movies, newspapers, and tv tells them they should

03:07:17 BingoBoingo: http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/901

03:07:18 assbot: Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/901

03:07:31 decimation: re: argon datacenter << I suspect dry nitrogen would be cheaper

03:07:58 BingoBoingo: <decimation> re: argon datacenter << I suspect dry nitrogen would be cheap << I suppose radon because heavy

03:08:23 decimation: yeah the most expensive part in any case is going to be air sealing

03:09:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rc4 still used somewhere? lol

03:09:36 asciilifeform: transformer oil is probably cheapest.

03:09:39 BingoBoingo: It appears, BUT THEY HAD A "PROOF"

03:09:41 asciilifeform: afaik someone is using just this.

03:09:59 PeterL: you want something that will absorb heat, thus the cfc

03:10:33 PeterL: noble gases, while inert, will not absorb as much heat

03:10:45 decimation: asciilifeform: what about flourinert?

03:10:49 BingoBoingo: Radon is cheap if you move to Iowa

03:10:53 asciilifeform: decimation: costs like fine whiskey

03:11:01 decimation: heh I know

03:11:31 asciilifeform: dear glub, everyone, cfc does not 'absorb' heat. mechanical refrigeration works on ideal gas law / inverted carnot cycle.

03:11:38 asciilifeform: am i the only one who stayed awake in first grade?

03:11:41 decimation: PeterL: I would suppose that the first step would be to use a fluid heat exchange cooling system

03:11:56 asciilifeform: circulate the oil though whatever.

03:12:02 asciilifeform: it isn't like this was invented just today.

03:12:14 decimation: asciilifeform: pcbs!

03:14:11 PeterL: didn't cray supercomputers use liquid cooling?

03:14:17 asciilifeform: fluorinert.

03:14:23 asciilifeform: because infinite money.

03:14:31 decimation: yeah the best part was the flourinert waterfall

03:15:19 PeterL: some of my coworker were involved in a project making a transformer fluid replacement last year

03:16:32 PeterL: the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire)

03:16:58 cazalla: scoopbot, you gonna get the scoop or what pal

03:16:59 asciilifeform: this is why i suggested small 'naval mines' with steel capsules in water pool.

03:17:29 asciilifeform: nothing to burn.

03:18:27 cazalla: qntra under ddos?

03:18:30 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this is why i suggested small 'naval mines' with steel capsules in water pool. << plus side you can grow Tilapia further north

03:18:32 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coin-org-sold-for-us-75000-to-digital-btc/

03:18:34 PeterL: cazalla: it only checks every five mins

03:18:36 decimation: yeah ideally one would locate the whole operation somewhere near a heat sink

03:18:46 asciilifeform: in a heat sink.

03:18:47 BingoBoingo: ;;isup qntra.net

03:18:47 gribble: qntra.net is up

03:18:53 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Fast for me

03:19:25 decimation: http://energyandsustainability.fs.cornell.edu/util/cooling/production/lsc/

03:19:26 assbot: Lake Source Cooling Home

03:20:50 asciilifeform: 'vitrify' individual miners into glass balls.

03:20:53 asciilifeform: submerge.

03:22:26 asciilifeform: all comms - public key

03:22:39 asciilifeform: (private - on 'mother ship')

03:22:47 decimation: via hydrophone?

03:22:57 asciilifeform: via whatever. ideally, tethers.

03:23:16 asciilifeform: given the power requirement, tethers are probably a fact of life.

03:23:33 asciilifeform: tether should clamp inductively on outside of bulb, rather than penetrating.

03:23:33 decimation: yeah unless you have rtg's or something

03:23:46 asciilifeform: rtg is laughably wasteful.

03:23:55 decimation: indeed.

03:24:08 asciilifeform: (and i hope i don't have to explain the thermodynamic folly of trying to run waste heat through it)

03:25:03 asciilifeform: (didn't learn thermo in school? dig out a 1990s pc with 'peltier' cooler and connect a load to it instead of powering. then see how long until cpu melts.)

03:25:15 decimation: asciilifeform: laughably wasteful: http://www.tidalenergy.eu/scottish-tidal-energy.html

03:25:32 asciilifeform: tidal - a kind of poor man's hydro

03:25:35 asciilifeform: not really related

03:26:33 *: asciilifeform vaguely recalls a flight of fancy calculation of how much 'tidal plant' it would take to... yank the moon from orbit

03:26:40 decimation: no, but like all 'renewables' the energy is so widely distributed that it would require laughable physical plant

03:27:27 asciilifeform: at any rate, so long as each 'hedgehog' ball contains one chip, the surface-to-volume ratio is favourable

03:27:40 asciilifeform: and surrounding water, with its convection currents, is sufficient cooling.

03:28:15 decimation: neptune's data center

03:28:23 asciilifeform: the hedgehogs would be approximately the size of christmas tree ornaments.

03:28:27 asciilifeform: and about the same shape.

03:29:26 decimation: you could deploy them in strings off a buoy

03:29:30 asciilifeform: aha.

03:29:41 asciilifeform: like towed hydrophone arrays on nuke subs.

03:30:05 PeterL: is this the NSA project after Cardano?

03:30:12 kakobrekla: cooking the fish, one hash at a time.

03:30:15 asciilifeform: (discussed at various points here as a handy cooling, power, and security solution.)

03:30:25 *: asciilifeform has no truck with mining and doesn't wish to

03:30:40 decimation: but you certainly do have truck with submarines!

03:30:48 asciilifeform: paper submarines.

03:30:53 *: asciilifeform armchair admiral, armchair general

03:31:15 PeterL: How many bitcoins for an old nuclear sub?

03:32:33 decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/06/us-australia-submarines-idUSKBN0IQ2DZ20141106

03:32:33 assbot: Australian government under pressure to hold submarine tender after eyeing Japan deal | Reuters

03:32:54 decimation: "Buying the vessels from Japan could threaten Abbott's hold on power at the next election, said Martin Hamilton-Smith, the defense and trade minister for the state of South Australia, which is home to 27,000 defense-related jobs including 3,000 in shipbuilding."

03:34:53 Adlai: any thoughts on making python a more tolerable interactive dev env? currently slogging through http://www.emacswiki.org/PythonProgrammingInEmacs and http://www.enigmacurry.com/2008/05/09/emacs-as-a-powerful-python-ide/ in search of hidden wisdom...

03:34:54 assbot: EmacsWiki: Python Programming In Emacs

03:34:54 assbot: EnigmaCurry

03:36:20 decimation: Adlai: I use 'jedi' http://tkf.github.io/emacs-jedi/latest/

03:36:21 assbot: Jedi.el - Python auto-completion for Emacs — Emacs Jedi 0.2.0alpha2 documentation

03:36:33 decimation: but it's kind of a turd to be honest

03:36:46 decimation: it does let you 'jump to definition', auto-complete, etc.

03:37:07 Adlai: anything.el is a turd

03:37:30 Adlai: but sometimes it takes a tough turd to season a savory salmon

03:38:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21910 @ 0.00068666 = 15.0447 BTC [-]

03:39:12 Adlai: well that [pump] descelated quickly

03:40:04 decimation: PeterL: I think nuke subs are generally unobtainable, but diesel-electric ~$100 million depending on what you are getting

03:41:18 decimation: if you want something modern and not a rusty bucket you are talking ~$1-2 bn and your money can't buy one

04:11:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00068582 = 9.8758 BTC [-] {2}

04:11:49 asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ljrdi/buterins_waterfall << sp4m4tr0n1c

04:11:50 assbot: Buterin's Waterfall. : Bitcoin

04:12:13 BingoBoingo: Ah

04:12:21 decimation: lol ascii on reddit

04:12:33 *: asciilifeform was there back when it was readable

04:12:48 asciilifeform: see user box.

04:25:37 *: Adlai .oO( Bitcoin is actually VERY lispy... the entire blockchain is code-as-data )

04:28:57 Adlai: decimation: i'd think that if you have that kind of money, you wouldn't be buying an entire sub anyways

04:29:05 decimation: my openbsd port of bitcoind suffered a fatal exception at block 150872

04:29:16 decimation: Adlai: well, certainly not for your own use

04:29:25 Adlai: blueprint components are as fungible as the money used to commission them

04:49:26 mircea_popescu: PeterL: Speaking of bezzle, I just did my yearly health insurance signup. makes me mad how much I have to pay now, about 4 times as much as two years ago for the same crappy plan <<< terrorist doesn't understand how obamacare works.

04:50:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: danielpbarron would make great fireman. holding a sign, 'do away with fire.' << he has a point. do away with borders and welfare. the latter will occur naturally once the first is done.

04:50:59 mircea_popescu: if the fiat state loses its alleged right to control geography, it loses.

04:52:00 decimation: the fiat state's bona fides in this matter are not exactly well established (controlling geography)

04:52:55 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch? <<< nope, you have it exactly right. same thing, except one is run by fraudulent "real estate" developers and the other by fraudulent "recruiters".

04:52:55 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:53:16 mircea_popescu: decimation "you are guilty of having crossed an imaginary line in a particular manner"

04:53:36 mircea_popescu: 3/4 of all us prison population.

04:54:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: considering that folks are -still- grinding down soviet army installations for metals... << soviet military complex was objectively larger than us ever got tho. cheap plentiful raw materials.

04:54:35 mircea_popescu: the us military principally consists of paper.

04:54:44 decimation: well, it's one thing to have laws (silly or not), and it's another to lack the ability (or will) to enforce them

04:57:25 mircea_popescu: PeterL: noble gases, while inert, will not absorb as much heat << gases are shit for sheer caloric capacity anyway. the reason you want technologica gases rather than plain argon is the compress-and-cool heat extraction process. works better on the hfcs than on random neon w/e.

04:57:54 mircea_popescu: oh nm, asciilifeform said teh same.

04:58:45 mircea_popescu: PeterL: the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire) << story of this business since its inception.

04:59:30 mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coin-org-sold-for-us-75000-to-digital-btc/ << cazalla would be worth investigating if the 1m was actually paid or merely fraudulently announced.

04:59:30 assbot: Coin.org Sold For US $75,000 To Digital BTC | Qntra.net

04:59:47 mircea_popescu: lots of these domain "deals" are simple collusion, as it's in both parties interest to announce a high price.

05:00:27 cazalla: yeah, i'm aware of how it goes, i buy from you for $750, we both say it was $75,000

05:00:50 cazalla: the $1,000,000 is difficult to know given everything out of gawminer guy's mouth is bullshit

05:01:13 mircea_popescu: myeah.

05:03:45 cazalla: making it easier to sucker the next buyer in to pay x amount

05:03:55 mircea_popescu: at least hopefully.

05:04:25 mircea_popescu: what it really does is give a good angle for fraudster employees to defraud companies with diffuse investors situations.

05:05:00 mircea_popescu: kinda hard to prosecute asshole ceo who colluded with asshole "expert" to buy worthless domain for 1mn, then laundered 800k out of it and left the company to burn.

05:05:07 thestringpuller: is that bitcoin gem thing still a thing?

05:05:19 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com psychology of bag holder

05:05:20 gribble: No matches found.

05:05:31 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com psychology of bagholder

05:05:31 gribble: The psychology of the bagholder pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/; Martie 2014 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/03; 3 ani experienta pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/3-ani-experienta/

05:05:36 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller never going away

05:06:18 thestringpuller: kinda of a joke on everyone really

05:06:29 thestringpuller: like musical chairs in elementary

05:07:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @ 0.00068692 = 31.4609 BTC [+] {4}

05:07:48 thestringpuller: http://bitcoingem.net/history << remember when this shit would get up to like 20 - 30 btc?

05:07:58 mircea_popescu: 2013.

05:08:22 thestringpuller: i guess people got sick of being the "gemholder"

05:20:01 asciilifeform: buy worthless domain for 1mn, then laundered 800k out of it << incidentally, the ancient 'secret' of 'ebay'

05:20:11 asciilifeform: game consoles 'sold' for $5000, etc.

05:20:35 asciilifeform: (not collectible curios, either. ordinary junk.)

05:20:44 asciilifeform: it's entirely routine.

05:21:19 asciilifeform: likely, no 'xbox' and no actual buyer. just a sp4mz0r washing his stolen cc #s.

05:21:30 asciilifeform: with the enthusiastic cooperation of 'paypal' et al.

05:21:53 asciilifeform: so long as 'ebay' gets its x%

05:22:43 mircea_popescu: right.

05:23:02 mircea_popescu: at some point ebay revenue was 40% that

05:23:05 mircea_popescu: then it stopped reporting.

05:23:15 mircea_popescu: many, many years ago in a galaxy far far away

05:23:49 mircea_popescu: heck, by now they even have automated "ecommerce sites" making software.

05:23:58 cazalla: mircea_popescu, coin.org should be confirmable once digital btc submit their next quarterly to the asx

05:24:05 asciilifeform: bezzlatron is fractally bezzlic.

05:24:10 asciilifeform: at any level of magnification.

05:25:04 asciilifeform: incidentally, the hunt for 'who pays' in cc fraud may be a unicorn hunt.

05:25:18 asciilifeform: it may very well be the case that, in the bulk of it, gram for gram, the answer is: printing press.

05:25:21 thestringpuller: i thought it was the insurance companies

05:25:37 asciilifeform: financial memory leak.

05:25:45 asciilifeform: possibly even disguised as ordinary memory leaks.

05:26:27 asciilifeform: so what if yesterday there was a penny and today - two.

05:27:53 asciilifeform: the man on the street is gagged with 'shuddup plebe, where's the hyperinflation, nowhere'

05:28:37 asciilifeform: but, as various people proved to the satisfaction of any but the thickest case of maliciously ignorant - it's everywhere.

05:29:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> financial memory leak. << pretty much.

05:29:18 mircea_popescu: which is why the economy can't really function "on its own"

05:29:31 asciilifeform: from the food replaced with synthetic garbage, to the car which costs a few years of avg. pay (hello ussr 1950) to... whatever.

05:29:34 mircea_popescu: all the tea partiers and so forth keep going on about how "capitalism works by itself". sure, so do computers.

05:29:43 mircea_popescu: except if your os has a huge memory leak baked right in. then they don't.

05:30:08 asciilifeform: we even have the financial equivalent of 'ramdoubler'

05:30:14 mircea_popescu: uyp.

05:30:21 asciilifeform: (idiot fuffle that fudged numbers)

05:30:35 mircea_popescu: so you know, the "small government ; work within the system ; we can fix things" people are nice and quaint and no doubt mean well

05:30:45 mircea_popescu: but they don't exactly understand enough to know where their shoes go.

05:31:35 asciilifeform: if given an 'alternative' that's slightly more attractive than drooling despair and starvation, they'll bite.

05:31:47 mircea_popescu: the alternative is start beating your children.

05:31:53 mircea_popescu: they won't bite, because screams.

05:32:05 asciilifeform: precisely because the alternative is for their children, if for anyone

05:32:09 asciilifeform: for them - biodiesel.

05:32:30 asciilifeform: who goes willingly to the fermenter?

05:33:15 mircea_popescu: im having like the best banana-chocolate cake

05:33:33 mircea_popescu: the secret to great cake ? don't oversugar.

05:33:59 asciilifeform: also to have the cake.

05:34:30 mircea_popescu: i am blessed in that i can just order cake into being.

05:37:25 *: asciilifeform fails as a reddit sp4mz0r

05:37:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the hedgehogs would be approximately the size of christmas tree ornaments. <<< god help you after the first storm,

05:37:49 mircea_popescu: untying the novel mess.

05:37:56 asciilifeform: what storm at the bottom.

05:38:04 asciilifeform: no reason these need to float.

05:38:05 mircea_popescu: what do you think lakes are.

05:38:29 asciilifeform: let'em dig into the silt.

05:38:42 asciilifeform: or submerge in indoor delphinarium

05:38:51 asciilifeform: (pirannarium?)

05:38:54 mircea_popescu: silt insulates.

05:40:01 mircea_popescu: Adlai: but sometimes it takes a tough turd to season a savory salmon <<< i've yet to see this in practice.

05:40:17 asciilifeform: rakefisk!

05:40:41 mircea_popescu: decimation: if you want something modern and not a rusty bucket you are talking ~$1-2 bn and your money can't buy one << you gotta be kidding me. an aircraft carrier is like 5bn. and i mean a large 100k tdw one, not the shitty 50k uk has.

05:41:13 cazalla: so blake's friend died prior to him taking over SR 2.0, maybe it was his YOLO moment

05:41:19 mircea_popescu: decimation: my openbsd port of bitcoind suffered a fatal exception at block 150872 <<< not that exceptional.

05:41:36 asciilifeform: 5bn in bezzlatron. use soviet figures (converting to modern 'weights and measures' is a separate voodoo) for a bit closer to reality.

05:42:02 mircea_popescu: yes, when #b-a makes it it'll no doubt be a few k's in btc.

05:42:50 asciilifeform: it would not even be too fantastic to say, that nothing in fact costs 5bn

05:43:07 asciilifeform: because that amount of actual money, in one place, would collapse into a cosmic singularity

05:43:09 mircea_popescu: you COULD make a spaceship that easily exceeded that.

05:43:19 asciilifeform: remains to be seen, if could

05:43:21 asciilifeform: for above reason.

05:43:24 mircea_popescu: in fact, you could make a large enough pile of steel cost 10

05:43:48 asciilifeform: 'if all the elephants in the world were dropped in one pile, the whales - in another...'

05:45:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform standard steel plate is like 1k per ton.

05:45:26 asciilifeform: what did spain buy for maxint Au.

05:45:41 asciilifeform: a black hole to vanish into.

05:45:41 mircea_popescu: a one mile by one mile steel plate pyramid about 100 meters tall will get you there.

05:46:19 asciilifeform: what did usa buy for an, if anything, greater pile of looted Au?

05:46:23 asciilifeform: (from the entire planet!)

05:46:49 asciilifeform: where's the steel pyramid?

05:46:50 mircea_popescu: actually the chinese wall was prolly in the 10bn range ppp wise.

05:47:01 asciilifeform: ah, but trick is - not all at once.

05:47:10 asciilifeform: might as well tally up all of rome, etc

05:47:12 mircea_popescu: it is still one thing.

05:47:26 asciilifeform: clever optical trick.

05:47:27 mircea_popescu: neither is yourr meal "all at once"

05:48:08 mircea_popescu: the last simultaneous events happened like what, 100 trn years ago ?

05:48:13 asciilifeform: lol

05:48:17 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/fatlogic/

05:51:19 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2014/fatlogic/#comment-109665

05:51:19 assbot: Fatlogic pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

05:55:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00068462 = 8.2497 BTC [-]

05:56:37 asciilifeform: 'Mathematics uses induction?the idea that if 1 + 1 is 2 then 2 + 1 must be 3, and so on up to an arbitrarily large quantity. In the real world, if you are counting acorns, then 1 + 1 acorns is not the same as 1,000,000 + 1 acorns?not if there are squirrels running around, which there will be once they find out that you are the one who's been stealing their acorns. A million acorns is just too many for you t

05:56:37 asciilifeform: o keep track of, and your concerted effort to keep adding one more to the pile while fighting off squirrels may cause small children to start calling you silly names. The bigger the pile grows, the more likely you are to have to take inventory, and in the process you are increasingly likely to make a mistake, so that it turns out that 1,000,000 + 1 is in fact 1,000,001 - δ, where δ is the number of acorns you

05:56:38 asciilifeform: have lost track of, somehow. Once δ > 0, you have achieved diminishing returns, and once δ > 1, you have achieved negative returns.'

05:56:42 asciilifeform: -- obligatory, mr. o.

05:56:47 asciilifeform: ( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/04/collapse-competitively.html )

05:56:47 assbot: ClubOrlov: Collapse Competitively

05:57:39 mircea_popescu: so i suppose "in the real world" pluricellular organisms don't exist.

05:57:41 mircea_popescu: or w/e.

05:57:41 asciilifeform: ^ his attempt to address the question of gravitational collapse of maxint gold

05:58:08 mircea_popescu: very dirty thinker this guy. keeps mixing things that live on different deductive levels.

05:58:16 asciilifeform: hasty.

05:58:58 mircea_popescu: i dunno.

05:59:15 asciilifeform: hasty and prone to leaps of wish.

06:00:00 mircea_popescu: see, dirty thinker. i mean the squirels are a much ulterior consideration to thinking.

06:00:01 asciilifeform: but, suffering from some of the same intellectual vices, i find him entertaining

06:00:03 mircea_popescu: to counting*

06:00:15 mircea_popescu: they have very different degrees of liberty. can't freely interface them like this.

06:00:33 *: asciilifeform does not disagree, in fact fumed indignantly when first read that piece

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06:01:12 mircea_popescu: take my earlier piece re cooling. i in fact had counted fucking gas molecules, in the untold zilions.

06:01:16 mircea_popescu: because that's what mols are.

06:01:24 mircea_popescu: what squirrel steals hcf ?

06:01:26 asciilifeform: the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of orlov is that he wants, more than anything, to live to see some kind of 'curtain call' on technological civilization and coherent culture -as a concern.-

06:01:37 mircea_popescu: why, anyway ?

06:01:40 asciilifeform: idk.

06:01:43 asciilifeform: ask him.

06:01:55 mircea_popescu: thought maybe you had a theory, along with the key.

06:02:08 asciilifeform: as i gather, he sees bezzlamatics as baked into, fuck knows, aristotle onwards.

06:02:21 asciilifeform: the whole edifice.

06:02:33 mircea_popescu: best i can see he's the luddite sort of socialist, believes technology empowers intelligence to manifest as difference

06:02:40 mircea_popescu: no technology, all equal, utopia realised.

06:02:58 asciilifeform: too clever a man for utopiawank

06:03:00 mircea_popescu: but ianae

06:03:07 mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised.

06:03:17 mircea_popescu: clever, dirty thinker is pretty much how you say "utopian"

06:04:11 asciilifeform: imho he just imagines preferring to be buggered raw by 'nature' than molested however gently by... tech-augmented molesters.

06:05:08 asciilifeform: there is something in him of the 'freedom-loving sp4mz0rz'

06:06:41 asciilifeform: (back to the titanic pile of acorns, it did - if only by accident - make a useful point: sufficiently concentrated pile of $goodies is a 'target-rich environment')

06:07:52 mircea_popescu: depends.

06:08:13 mircea_popescu: for instance : refine sugar, store it as such. about as inert as basalt, provided it never gets wet.

06:08:16 mircea_popescu: and even if it does...

06:08:25 asciilifeform: aha, and egyptian honey, sure.

06:08:45 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, shit ? richest environment.

06:08:51 *: asciilifeform relaxes analogy a bit, lest it stretch so taught that it snap.

06:09:02 mircea_popescu: nature works more on a "one man's garbage" principle.

06:09:44 mircea_popescu: the interfaces, wounds, muddy waters, everywhere there's a border is where things happen.

06:09:48 mircea_popescu: piles of goodies... w/e.

06:09:59 asciilifeform: border - yes.

06:10:16 asciilifeform: in the past season i got to watch precisely how deer work.

06:10:23 mircea_popescu: right ?

06:10:30 asciilifeform: a road was cut through forest, and pestilential explosion of deer

06:10:32 mircea_popescu: being a hunter is a great boon to wisdom.

06:10:36 asciilifeform: who feed on the brush at the border.

06:10:39 mircea_popescu: yup

06:11:35 mircea_popescu: after all, a whale is a huge pile of goodies.

06:11:36 mircea_popescu: so what of it ?

06:11:37 asciilifeform: doesn't help that no one hunts the beasts here (densely populated, shoot one deer and bag three random bozos)

06:11:43 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, cut worm in half.

06:12:22 mircea_popescu: fucking things you didn't even know existed come out of places you didn't even know existed to check it out.

06:12:32 asciilifeform: (point re: deer was that habitat creation, rather than destruction - as envirowhiners normally focus on - is a thing)

06:13:11 *: asciilifeform one day will visit parts of the world where one can actually hunt deer

06:15:18 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

06:15:25 *: asciilifeform says, goodnight

06:16:30 Vexual: a tender kangaroo cut beats any venison

06:18:34 mircea_popescu: holy shit grep -e "\\\\[[:alpha:]]\\\\" srsly ?

06:18:46 mircea_popescu: why not more slashing!

06:21:16 cazalla: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-07/pick-up-artist-julien-blanc-leaves-australia-amid-outrage/5874604

06:21:16 assbot: Julien Blanc, self-described pick-up artist who promotes choking women, has visa cancelled and leaves Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

06:21:26 cazalla: Mr Blanc, from US-based group Real Social Dynamics, was forced to hold his event on a boat on Melbourne's Yarra River last night. <<< poor guy :\

06:22:40 mircea_popescu: "This guy wasn't pushing forward political ideas, he was putting a view that was derogatory to women and that's just something that our values abhor in this country," he said.

06:22:48 mircea_popescu: shit, your values are an agent now over there ?

06:23:05 mircea_popescu: what do your values think about chocolate fudge ?

06:23:52 mircea_popescu: lol derp goes around randomly strangling strangers as a pickup method ? jesus these idiots.

06:25:13 mircea_popescu: why the fuck all this song and dance about "our values abhor" and "degrading misoginistic" blablabla baclava. what's wrong with the obivious "this is a fucktarded kid, broken in the head to the degree he imagines strangling strangers is an adequate substitute for his absent social skills, we don't want him here, and ideally he should be undergoing a special needs program somewhere."

06:25:48 mircea_popescu: everything gotta be repackaged in the libertardism du jour, because a worthless tool is perhaps going to be less visibly worthless if it's nominally used to solve all problems.

06:31:14 Vexual: wheres george negus when you need him?

06:31:47 cazalla: you already told me where Vexual

06:32:10 Vexual: well, I also liken you to him a lot

06:32:13 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1049/ Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.5111 BTC. Current weight: 40,129.

06:33:05 mircea_popescu: who's this ?

06:33:20 Vexual: long running australian journalist

06:33:32 Vexual: see him down the pub occasionally

06:58:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00068462 = 17.2867 BTC [-]

07:17:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16419 @ 0.00068869 = 11.3076 BTC [+] {2}

07:32:48 bounce: http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/11/07/internet_un_security_council_net_mundial_initiative/ -- ICANN, the bitcoin foundation of the internet

07:32:48 assbot: ICANN creates 'UN Security Council for the internet', installs itself as a permanent member • The Register

07:47:34 mircea_popescu: lol

07:48:29 mircea_popescu: "If there is a cybersecurity issue, or someone who has figured out how to protect children through a browser," then they can use the platform to connect with others as well as crowdsource and fund their efforts, ICANN CEO Fadi Chehad? enthused.

07:48:36 mircea_popescu: yeah, this sounds reallllly important.

07:48:44 punkman: gotta use that ICANN money from all the new domains

07:48:53 mircea_popescu: how to protect chitlins through a browser.

07:49:24 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, the bitcoin foundation actually is ahead of the icann internet foundation.

07:49:48 mircea_popescu: "They announced that a further twenty members will be chosen (seemingly by the organizers) according to geographic region and different sectors, split equally between: academia; civil society; governments; and business." << lawl.

07:50:20 mircea_popescu: so, 3:1 bezzle ? except that 1 will prolly be just as bezzletronic ? what is this, lenin's wet dream or something ?

07:53:40 punkman: "Everything will be done bottom-up, this is the mother of all bottom-up processes," < who's bottom is getting buggered?

07:54:49 punkman: btw how much BTC does the twobitfoundation have these days?

07:55:06 mircea_popescu: it's so fucking lulzy how full of fail that thing is srsly. almost 100% copy of vessennes' scam "foundation". won't say how much money it spent, masquerades as "open", astroturfing to the hilt, the works

07:55:34 mircea_popescu: then people are all "o noes, what do you mean same script means same govt agency"

07:55:44 mircea_popescu: punkman it won't say.

07:57:04 punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/05/un_takeover_of_internet_postponed_indefinitely/

07:57:04 assbot: UN takeover of internet postponed indefinitely • The Register

07:57:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37440 @ 0.00068419 = 25.6161 BTC [-] {2}

07:58:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32860 @ 0.00068392 = 22.4736 BTC [-] {2}

08:01:54 punkman: mircea_popescu: re: deed errors, guess I should make it say "3rd deed invalid" instead

08:02:09 punkman: congrats on biggest bundle yet!

08:02:20 mircea_popescu: would help yes.

08:02:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, it took special chars and other issues (\n\n separated deeds) like a champ

08:05:07 mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr

08:05:07 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC)

08:05:27 mircea_popescu: seems mike_c prediction is spot on

08:08:08 Naphex: "Robocoin Now Requires All ATM Operators to Collect Customer Information"

08:08:34 mircea_popescu: lol

08:08:50 mircea_popescu: aaaand if they don't ?

08:09:59 mircea_popescu: "The Fort Knox of Bitcoin

08:09:59 mircea_popescu: Your Bitcoin is secured by next generation security practices. You are your money: palm-vein biometrics keep money in the palm of your hand, while protecting your account against theft and identity fraud."

08:10:12 mircea_popescu: "From the company that invented the Bitcoin ATM"

08:10:14 cazalla: need one of those terminator 2 atm hacker devices for robocoins

08:10:16 mircea_popescu: these dudes lmao.

08:10:22 Naphex: what if someone steals your hand ?:))

08:10:27 mircea_popescu: such neobee company, such neobee fate.

08:11:18 mircea_popescu: and they tweet on their own (and mostly ignored) twitter account a link to... coindesk, and via@coindesk.

08:11:38 mircea_popescu: this is the day, when a pretend-company cites as source of its own fucking moves the official usg news outlet.

08:11:59 mircea_popescu: can you guise be anymoar fucking desperate, srsly now ?

08:12:10 mircea_popescu: it's not going to survive anyway, that coindesk thing.

08:23:19 punkman: "Each successive Silk Road is headed by a DPR with increasingly poor opsec, like they're reverse-learning from their predecessors' mistakes"

08:24:20 punkman: !up Vexual

08:25:06 Vexual: "first time bali?"

08:25:40 Vexual: now ben10 might recoil at that question, but it's invariablt the firs one of every scammor everywhere

08:26:06 Vexual: and your answer should be no

08:27:00 Vexual: but life is a twoway street, and you can give any reponse you like

08:27:10 punkman: they can smell it anyway

08:27:19 Vexual: tru dat

08:30:12 punkman: https://twitter.com/Forbes/status/530498865741709312

08:30:14 assbot: GE is the only remaining member of the original Dow Jones Industrial Average launched in 1896: http://t.co/KLHZHqQ46w http://t.co/oo6J9GAgkD

08:30:27 Vexual: you'll talk for a bit, get a smile, and if your a dickhead, youll hear " you want trouble"

08:30:59 Vexual: this means you have failed at negotiations

08:31:20 punkman: how do you win?

08:33:14 Vexual: you don't, it's already been decided

08:34:56 cazalla: anyone ever heard of Bitstars.net, Betchain.com, Bitcoinpenguin.com and PrincessStar.com ?

08:35:14 punkman: cazalla: doesn't ring a bell

08:36:24 Vexual: everything in your sock and cutting wild at a heavy metal show wil secure your life

08:37:46 cazalla: ah dw, they look like skins from the same operator

08:37:59 Vexual: ive heard of bitstars

08:38:01 mircea_popescu: punkman o.O what did this one do ?

08:38:29 punkman: which one?

08:39:06 mircea_popescu: DPR with increasingly poor opsec

08:39:22 Vexual: lol defcon -10

08:39:27 punkman: it's on qntra :P

08:39:54 mircea_popescu: ah i've not gone through the complaint.

08:39:58 Vexual: theres a book on opsec kids

08:40:34 cazalla: his missus isn't that bad though she had a big emo about cheating so maybe he had a few others https://www.facebook.com/Stephaniemckaykay

08:41:36 Vexual: steady on

08:42:32 Vexual: whats this latest patsys name?

08:43:39 cazalla: chcked his dads and so on facebook, none of em have commented yet or locked shit down

08:43:45 punkman: "Silk Road 2.0 initially was owned and operated by another individual (hereinafter referred to as “DPR2”), BLAKE BENTHALL, a/k/a “Defcon,” the defendant, who had been acting as second-in—command to DPR2"

08:43:53 punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0

08:44:16 punkman: they are just phoning it in at this point

08:44:28 Vexual: san fran again

08:46:06 Vexual: other drug markeys got busted too ?

08:48:18 cazalla: yeah apparently, doubt they do any vol though so who gives a fuck

08:48:39 Vexual: it's interesting

08:49:38 cazalla: yeah but i've never heard of em, not into drugs so i'd have to spend half the day finding out about these small sites and then they're shut down now anyway so difficult to verify

08:49:57 Vexual: that other news outlet reported sr2 getting a big dos a few weeks ago

08:50:04 punkman: cazalla, saw an article about some tor search engine that had a big list

08:50:14 cazalla: if i was a small time operator and wanted to steal some coins, maybe i'd copy/pasta the silkroad 2.0 shut down images and claim i too got shut down and knick whatever coins were on the site

08:51:36 cazalla: punkman, sounds familiar

08:51:52 Vexual: i signed up to sr 1.0 just to look

08:53:05 punkman: cazalla: well if you ever wanna write about the topic, here it is http://www.deepdotweb.com/grams-search-darknet-marketplaces/

08:53:07 assbot: Grams: Search The DarkNet Marketplaces! - Deep Dot Web

08:57:05 cazalla: punkman, ty

08:57:18 cazalla: !up Vexual

08:57:28 cazalla: anyway, gotta do that weekly skype with the grandparents lol bbl

08:59:14 Vexual: punk, what are you working on?

09:00:24 punkman: some stupid shit and some stupid leads

09:01:09 Vexual: case of beer?

09:01:43 punkman: more like OJ and a banana

09:02:02 Vexual: i just hadmy frist mango for the year

09:02:23 Vexual: its a thing

09:02:47 punkman: don't think I've ever had a good mango

09:02:55 Vexual: omfg

09:03:34 punkman: and the fucking bananas are local but they gotta cut them green, fucktards

09:04:18 Vexual: bananas are a cunt

09:04:21 punkman: there's guy that does papayas too

09:04:27 punkman: but I got there too late

09:04:31 Vexual: now you're talking

09:05:28 punkman: you ever try the papaya seeds?

09:05:30 Vexual: you ever had that thai green ppapaya salad?

09:05:43 Vexual: no ive never eaten the seed

09:06:44 punkman: they are spicy, can put them in things

09:07:08 Vexual: i like dried

09:09:15 Vexual: dicotomous nad shit

09:12:33 Vexual: get a mango in ya

09:13:50 Vexual: ill send you a case

10:15:55 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/irish-man-caught-up-in-operation-onymous-alleged-to-own-us-2-3m-in-bitcoin/

10:34:34 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/trendon-shavers-aka-pirateat40-faces-criminal-fraud-charges/

10:35:52 cazalla: so what's best practice when something like this gnupg 2.1.0 modern comes out?

10:36:30 BingoBoingo: Maybe a short little blurb, sentence or two and a link to the announcement?

10:37:15 cazalla: i mean in regards to using it or not

10:38:02 BingoBoingo: Ah, well... does it fix anything?

10:39:30 jurov: I suggest to use this excerpt from the gpg announcement: "Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz."

10:42:06 cazalla: BingoBoingo, what i read as a fix is just as likely to be now broken and vice versa, so i would prefer to defer to those smarter in here, i'm sure someone will discuss the addition of elliptic curve keys at some point

10:42:27 BingoBoingo: Ah

10:43:33 bounce: that's his signature, not really part of the announcement.

10:43:51 bounce: though you can probably use it. ISTR he's been using it for a long time

10:45:54 jurov: !up Vexual

10:46:28 jurov: gute blinkenlichtenbeobachtung!

10:48:16 Vexual: that slovakistanese is hard to read

10:49:01 Vexual: will you translate for us?

10:49:23 jurov: good watching of blinkenlichten!

10:49:55 Vexual: blinking lights?

10:50:12 jurov: youtube, in other words

10:50:22 Vexual: vexbachtung?

10:53:00 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKvA3AN3ApY if i die you can laugh

13:19:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41550 @ 0.00068112 = 28.3005 BTC [-]

13:20:13 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2lkevi/buterins_waterfall_a_likbez/ < asciilifeform this is the right subreddit

13:20:14 assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez : Buttcoin

13:37:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.000681 = 18.5913 BTC [-] {2}

14:14:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.0006806 = 24.6377 BTC [-] {2}

14:15:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00067819 = 1.4242 BTC [-] {2}

14:19:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00067692 = 8.4615 BTC [-]

14:49:45 *: xanthyos

15:01:13 punkman: http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/news-features/takedownjulienblanc-julien-blanc-leaves-australia-with-his-tail-between-his-legs-20141107-3juiy.html

15:01:14 assbot: #TakeDownJulienBlanc: Julien Blanc leaves Australia with his tail between his legs

15:12:07 kakobrekla: that explains the 'go home white pig'

15:13:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00061284 = 3.1868 BTC [-]

15:42:32 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/11/07/bitcoin-gavin-andresen-dublin-web-summit/18636161/

15:42:33 assbot: Gavin Andresen: I don't want to be 'king of Bitcoin'

15:42:48 Azelphur: he wants to be Bitcoin CEO instead

15:52:00 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/11/odds-and-ends.html << mr. o explains why he didn't stick with ipa.

15:52:00 assbot: ClubOrlov: Odds and ends

15:52:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00061134 = 20.1437 BTC [-] {2}

16:04:30 mircea_popescu: gooood mornin!

16:10:35 mircea_popescu: cazalla https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << gotta love how after a peak it does fall, but not quite back to where it was.

16:10:36 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast

16:11:43 kakobrekla: peak is gauss

16:11:54 *: kakobrekla rain

16:11:56 mircea_popescu: punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0 <<< im not so sure i believe that, incidentally. iut's called parallel construction for a reason, and that reason is, "lying through the teeth".

16:12:06 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dun get it ?

16:12:43 kakobrekla: idk, latecomers ?

16:13:21 mircea_popescu: right ?

16:13:51 mircea_popescu: sheeeit look at all the smart fraudsters commenters.

16:13:54 mircea_popescu: brb

16:14:27 kakobrekla: like bitcoin, after peak it doesnt go straight to 0. takes at at least 2 weeks.

16:19:02 mircea_popescu: are you a hater ?

16:19:22 mircea_popescu: there's no place in our cult for haters!11

16:22:43 mircea_popescu: ;;seen organofcorti

16:22:43 gribble: organofcorti was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 20 weeks, 3 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <organofcorti> Hey, does anyone know what the cost to reissue an expired bond is?

16:22:59 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell organofcorti http://fraudsters.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/ << would you consider discvussing that article on your blog ?

16:22:59 assbot: A humble proposal to Bitcoin miners pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

16:22:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:25:53 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> are you a hater ? < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2014#911822

16:25:53 assbot: Logged on 05-11-2014 22:17:24; *: kakobrekla just dutifully rains on parade

16:26:07 mircea_popescu: you should get a special hat.

16:26:27 bounce: a hate-hat? what colour is that?

16:26:41 kakobrekla: such hat? http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01489/SNN1411UB1-532_1489679a.jpg

16:27:12 mircea_popescu: aahahahhaha

16:27:13 mircea_popescu: totally.

16:27:29 mircea_popescu: colors and everything. the rainbow umbrella hat.

16:28:45 kakobrekla: yeah idk why some still use umbrellas

16:29:37 kakobrekla: see ascii, umbrella hat unlike toilet sink.

16:30:08 mircea_popescu: rainbow is the color of hate anyway

16:30:16 mircea_popescu: because all the weird sex people use it.

16:30:31 bounce: such logic

16:30:45 kakobrekla: linear so some shit.

16:30:53 kakobrekla: or*

16:31:49 bounce: linear h

16:34:25 mircea_popescu: bounce you dare deride my such logic ?!

16:35:04 bounce: why yes, yes indeed.

16:35:16 mircea_popescu: repent before you get a hat of your own

16:35:20 mircea_popescu: sinners i swear

16:35:25 mircea_popescu: sinners and heretics everywhere

16:35:43 *: bounce already has a nice hat.

16:35:51 mircea_popescu: o ? pics!

16:36:05 bounce: you wish. no hat pr0n for you.

16:36:28 mircea_popescu: incidentally, if one were a god, but i mean actual, honest-to-god god. wouldn't you expect he'd mostly want to hang out with assorted unbelievers, unrepentant sinners and firebrand heretics ?

16:36:46 mircea_popescu: i mean he's a god for crying out loud, what bs is this insecure egotism as depicted by teh jews. nonsense i say!

16:37:09 *: bounce refers to pterry

16:37:43 mircea_popescu: who's pterry ?

16:38:31 mircea_popescu: and i must say, i have never in my life seen public works like in argentina. so three days ago they announced they will fuck up the sidewalk before my building, and garage won't be accessible for two days. then two days ago they fucked it up, yesterday they were fixing it and today it's all fine, new pavement.

16:38:36 bounce: curious problem for universal there-is-only-one gods, though. gods with domains typically have some sort of job description. "care for fertility" "make the rains come", whatever. but a universal god? what's it got to do with it?

16:38:40 mircea_popescu: who the shit ever heard of this, it's like germany over here.

16:39:14 mircea_popescu: bounce last sentence it overload, pls to redo.

16:40:00 mircea_popescu: !up OneNomos

16:40:43 OneNomos: thanks, just lurking for now

16:40:47 mircea_popescu: enjoy.

16:40:50 bounce: seems like a bit of a job overload if you're god of bloody everything

16:41:07 mircea_popescu: bounce nah, economy of scale. same process involved in being a god anyway.

16:44:21 mircea_popescu: punkman: don't think I've ever had a good mango <<< ew, you're missing out.

16:45:42 mircea_popescu: cazalla: so what's best practice when something like this gnupg 2.1.0 modern comes out? <<< i use 1.4 branch. depends what you're after, but in general best practice is read the update notes see if anything you actualy want [then in the unlikely case that yes, patch your sources with just that and recompile].

16:45:47 mircea_popescu: not exactly trivial, but anyway.

16:46:49 mircea_popescu: jurov: gute blinkenlichtenbeobachtung! <<< bwahhaha top of the mornin' to you too.

16:47:50 mircea_popescu: assbot: Gavin Andresen: I don't want to be 'king of Bitcoin' <<< mmmmywah, that was really on the table lol.

16:47:57 mircea_popescu: in other news, i don't want to be a fat black woman.

16:48:18 mircea_popescu: somehow i forgot to mention this prior, sorry if it ruins anything guise.

16:48:26 RagnarDanneskjol: bummer

16:49:28 mircea_popescu: http://images.dailylife.com.au/2014/11/07/5962493/Protesters_TN-620x349.jpg <<< check it out, whale has friends!

16:49:43 mircea_popescu: almost like a real person.

16:50:30 chetty: I been hearing that term 'rape culture' a lot recnetly, what the hell is that?

16:51:21 mircea_popescu: well, normally society is organised around fucking.

16:51:48 mircea_popescu: however, a bunch of people have managed to paint themselves into a corner, by an unfortunate meeting of government welfare and libertard ideology.

16:52:16 mircea_popescu: they soon enough discovered that society doesn't care, so now this large headcount of overweight, middle aged women are trying to invent their own version of fucking that'll link them to actual society

16:52:40 mircea_popescu: "rape culture" it is, ie, they don't hang around with their friends talking about what it was like last night, like THOSE SLUTS

16:52:55 mircea_popescu: they hang around with their friends talking about how wrong it all is.

16:53:38 mircea_popescu: somehow the (other) elephant in the room (ie, "dogs wouldn't fuck you, if you paid them") is gingerly never mentioned.

16:54:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00060019 = 27.2486 BTC [-]

16:55:20 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: haha, don't even get me started on this topic, special snowflakes, special snowflakes everywhere.

16:56:41 Azelphur: kinda related, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzmbW4ueGdg and equally frustrating.

16:56:41 assbot: SJW vs John Carmack (Oculus Connect Keynote) - YouTube

16:57:18 asciilifeform: in ru net, there is actually a perversely reactive 'memecult' based on 'lookatme, i'm not a special snowflake at all!' - folks replacing their 'avatar pics' with little red squares with 'serial number'

16:57:38 asciilifeform: http://www.individualizmu.net/register.php

16:57:44 asciilifeform: 13+k of these and counting.

16:58:20 asciilifeform: (domain meaning, roughly, 'no to individualism!')

16:58:24 mircea_popescu: incidentally, 10-20 years ago the same people ( http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/238063/916229.png ) were trying a different tack ( http://www.happyboulevard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/women-are-not-for-decoration.jpg )

16:58:40 mircea_popescu: in spite of all the "successes" (like getting deepthroat to lie and so on) it never went anywhere. for the obvious reason.

16:58:53 mircea_popescu: so now they've moved on from "porn activism", a soundly lost battle, to "rape culture" bs.

16:59:21 mircea_popescu: sort of like the ecologists, that made all the bruhaha in the 90s about how the world was going to end because ozone layer, and if "We" don't "do" what they say it';s gonna be bad etc

16:59:48 mircea_popescu: then we ignored them, the problem somehow magically went away, they're no longer mentioning it (and in no case are they mentioning it as what it was : here's our most resoundingly humiliating defeat to date)

16:59:55 mircea_popescu: just seamlessly moved into the global warming thing.

17:00:10 mircea_popescu: "the left always wins" in the sense that the left is dumb as rocks, and rocks always win, in the sense that nevermind.

17:00:14 chetty: unfortunately all these lost causes leave a trail of bodies behind when they move on

17:00:18 mircea_popescu: good.

17:00:33 mircea_popescu: take the body in this case : a whiny 25 yo beta masquerading as an "executive dating coach".

17:00:43 mircea_popescu: seriously, executive ? what's that mean, that he has license to fuck your girlfriend ?

17:00:48 *: asciilifeform often reads vintage soviet magazines, and was recently surprised to find mention of 'warmocalypse' in 'химия и жизнь' circa 1991.

17:00:52 mircea_popescu: bodies are the food of the earth.

17:01:09 Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GijLoiVkmYI

17:01:10 assbot: Amazon Echo (Early Beta Version) - YouTube

17:02:00 chetty: well this rape culture thing seems to mostly consist of lopped off balls, that is something I regret. Much better uses than fertilizer for such things

17:02:13 asciilifeform: lol saw that. yes, we all want net-connected phased microphones in our bedrooms, yes!

17:02:15 asciilifeform: can't wait.

17:02:50 Naphex: well it is for everyone :))

17:03:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you expect to target viagra ads ?

17:03:18 asciilifeform: ;;google fruity oaty bars

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17:03:23 asciilifeform: 'not mandatory!!!'

17:03:26 mircea_popescu: the economy needs it, privet.

17:03:31 chetty: asciilifeform, http://rock.genius.com/Leonard-cohen-everybody-knows-lyrics#note-1731970

17:03:32 assbot: Leonard Cohen – Everybody Knows Lyrics | Genius

17:05:28 Naphex: 'so it can hear you anywhere?'

17:05:35 Naphex: 'well yes, but anyone can hear you anyway'

17:05:42 Naphex: from the official ad

17:09:00 *: asciilifeform wonders, re: mircea_popescu's mining thread: what fraction of an adult mining operation's nre cost is - bitcoind re-engineering...

17:10:28 Naphex: asciilifeform: prolly a few days to set up the infrastucture and 're-ingineer' the essentials in bitcoind

17:10:40 asciilifeform: a few days << lol

17:11:21 Naphex: you think it takes years?

17:11:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly as naggum explains.

17:11:58 mircea_popescu: Naphex : asciilifeform has a much more fundamental approach to things. he's not really a business minded / cost oriented fellow.

17:13:04 asciilifeform: fundamentals << as things, presently stand, the most cost-effective 'mining' presently is... to pwn existing operators.

17:13:54 asciilifeform: whether this is happening presently, or has been for two years, or the trigger will be pulled for the first time tomorrow - only devil knows.

17:15:12 asciilifeform: dogs and fleas have been living together for quite some time, but afaik dogs never invented ddt. perhaps because not cost-effective.

17:15:48 mircea_popescu: it isn't cost effective for a dog, no.

17:15:54 asciilifeform: aha.

17:16:06 mircea_popescu: same reason bitcoin power rangers have not done anything useful since satoshi left

17:16:24 mircea_popescu: it actually isn't cost effective for them, just like shitting cow dung is not cost effective for you.

17:16:30 mircea_popescu: it's natural for a cow, but you're not one.

17:17:13 asciilifeform: see also evolution of flightless birds.

17:22:06 mircea_popescu: "I was able to validate my hypothesis that quite a few English-speakers lack phonological awareness and are not aware of the alphabetic principle. Many people have simply memorized some number of words, by sight and by sound. And since learning Unspell involves having the ability to analyze spoken English as a series of phonemes, people who have been taught to read English using the ?look and say? method, which doe

17:22:06 mircea_popescu: s not attempt to draw any significant parallels between sight and sound, are at a loss."

17:22:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with this approach being that literate readers do not actually read by letter anyway.

17:22:32 asciilifeform: as if there were anyone who did not know this.

17:22:35 mircea_popescu: inasmuch as you're going to read whole-word, his entire blabla does really not matter

17:22:52 asciilifeform: then straight to chinese hieroglyphs.

17:23:01 mircea_popescu: for that matter, i mostly read by-sentence-structure, especially when skimming

17:23:05 asciilifeform: same

17:23:12 mircea_popescu: nah. not at all same as hieroglypgs.

17:23:17 asciilifeform: but the 1 yo kid - needs to cut the parts.

17:23:36 asciilifeform: and same for the foreign n00b

17:23:46 mircea_popescu: see, pictograms are not flexional. whereas setence-structure read stems automatically.

17:24:28 asciilifeform: quite a few folks seem to be rather attached to the 'built-in iq test' of english mechanics

17:24:28 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure 3rd stage reader actually has two cvasi-simultaneous processes where the same photogram as registered by eyes is first parsed for stems then parsed for endings and they get superimposed in a 3rd stage

17:24:51 mircea_popescu: at least, judging by the types of errors that end up forcing me to re-read, vast majority of which indicate a mismatch in the 3rd stage.

17:25:30 asciilifeform: aha, i for one reread when 'brain compiler' spews 'syntax error'

17:25:47 mircea_popescu: well yes. but iof you count, the syntax error is almost always caused by an error collating the stems with the endings.

17:26:02 mircea_popescu: (i mean, cases where the text was correct, but your brain threw an exception)

17:26:18 mircea_popescu: so if this thing exists, then the process mus also exist.

17:26:30 chetty: learning initially with phonics lets a p?rson breakdown a word they encounter that dont know regardless of their normal reading method. The look-say method people are stuck.

17:26:52 mircea_popescu: no they're not stuck lol. "what is this"

17:27:11 chetty: but they dont have any tools ....

17:27:15 mircea_popescu: the unrigurousness of natural language is fundamentally useful here. you can ask about this without being able to define this.

17:27:29 mircea_popescu: chetty they have a boyfriend or something.

17:27:46 mircea_popescu: father, whatever.

17:27:49 chetty: well yeah, but why limit the toolbox that way

17:27:59 mircea_popescu: i dispute this is a limit.

17:28:41 chetty: it means you got to go consult some 'authority' instead of using your own head ..

17:28:54 mircea_popescu: yes.

17:29:08 chetty: so are libtards born

17:29:16 ben_vulpes: !t h rent

17:29:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00465000 / 0.00477011 / 0.00490000 (92 shares, 0.43885005 BTC), 7D: 0.00444960 / 0.00471895 / 0.00490998 (1622 shares, 7.65413821 BTC), 30D: 0.00412527 / 0.00464214 / 0.00495000 (3784 shares, 17.56585521 BTC)

17:29:17 mircea_popescu: amusingly, when the "internet" from microsoft encounters a word aka domain name it doesn't know

17:29:21 mircea_popescu: it also doesn't consult its own head.

17:29:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00060252 = 8.9173 BTC [+]

17:29:47 mircea_popescu: i hold that libtards are born by using "own head" as a source to extract the unknown.

17:30:44 mircea_popescu: imagine what the web would be like if domain name resolution worked on a "what know domain is this new domain most like"

17:30:49 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html << obligatory re: 'own head'

17:30:50 assbot: Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive

17:30:52 chetty: nah, I grew up with 'sound it out', and 'look it up' always linked.

17:30:56 mircea_popescu: total obama ideal, nothing in there but nyt and wp

17:31:27 asciilifeform: what know domain is this new domain most like << 'google' and its now nearly-unusable 'text matching'

17:31:47 mircea_popescu: ayup.

17:32:42 asciilifeform: 'I have concluded that it is a phenomenal curse when it is and children experience that they can guess faster than they can learn. This latter thing is what I mostly associate with stupidity, however, and why I do _not_ equate intelligence with absence of stupidity. Quite the contrary, the more intelligent, the more potential to be stupid in just this crucial way, to believe that what you can pick out of your o

17:32:42 asciilifeform: wn mind at zero cost is better than what must be dug up from reality at great effort.'

17:33:11 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record, because i realised this while sleeping re some convo a few days ago : "knowing what a word means" is, for the marginally illiterate "read-by-letter" type, a matter of memorizing definitions. this however is at best a sorry approximation of the real deal.

17:33:36 mircea_popescu: in point of fact, knowing what a word means requires knowing its etymology, for all languages in which it appears, as well as a lengthy casebook of previous usage

17:33:43 mircea_popescu: both cultured and folkloric.

17:33:57 mircea_popescu: i would say the definition-tree for the average noun is megabytes long.

17:34:00 asciilifeform: does anyone actually disagree with above?

17:34:06 mircea_popescu: just stating for the record.

17:34:14 mircea_popescu: it occured to me this mayhaps is not obvious

17:34:23 mircea_popescu: wouldn't be, to tardpedia-fed youth.

17:34:36 *: asciilifeform shudders to imagine what else wouldn't

17:35:21 mircea_popescu: anyway, it would appear orlov for instance doesn't know it.

17:35:36 mircea_popescu: if he imagines saving a few bytes of notation can have any sort of measurable impact on the workload of culture.

17:35:53 *: asciilifeform thinks mr. o is preoccupied with anglo-demolition.

17:35:59 asciilifeform: something i can certainly sympathize with.

17:36:09 mircea_popescu: so what, trojan horse, trying to ruin their language ?

17:36:15 asciilifeform: not as such

17:36:27 asciilifeform: but ruin whatever advantage is to be gained from growing up with it - sure.

17:36:30 mircea_popescu: he has the chance of a snowball up satan's arse to do a better job than all the femiwhales running around using words for purposes.

17:36:37 chetty: newspeak is in full swing

17:37:35 chetty: the list of 'approved' words will be down to a few hundred in no time.

17:37:47 mircea_popescu: chetty well, rape's definitely making it.

17:38:04 mircea_popescu: (explanation of that joke, for the recent : fifty years ago, the way to say "we fucked" was to say "we made it")

17:38:28 asciilifeform: 'newspeaks' in any and all cases are plaything of the mandarin class.

17:38:40 asciilifeform: a kind of living exam, if you will.

17:38:46 asciilifeform: (a la the chinese imperial exams)

17:38:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46743 @ 0.0006023 = 28.1533 BTC [-]

17:40:07 *: asciilifeform sometimes visits coffee shops in wash.,d.c. area and amuses himself by reading front page of the local fishwraps and counting the schoolboy-level homonym and grammatic mistakes.

17:40:07 chetty: use a word not on the approved list and you will never get that job, obviously you are a dangerous 'thinker'

17:40:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that bad eh ?

17:40:44 asciilifeform: yes.

17:40:53 asciilifeform: e.g., 'washington post'

17:40:55 asciilifeform: 'new york times'

17:41:15 mircea_popescu: you should see this place. they are "horribru racists", which somehow correlates (unexplainedly, really!) with their very serious take on newspapers. they have like, actual editorials, and stuff.

17:41:23 mircea_popescu: it's shocking for the us emigre.

17:41:40 asciilifeform: the 25 y.o. 'editors' are editing the 19 y.o. yesterday's redditors.

17:41:42 mircea_popescu: almost as if it were the 1970s.

17:42:35 *: asciilifeform still, as when first encountered it, parses word 'reddit' as 'red edit' - a kind of intellectual kolkhoz.

17:42:36 mircea_popescu: !s dating

17:42:37 assbot: 1681 results for 'dating' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dating

17:42:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-11-2014#906633 << re argentine "racism"

17:42:58 assbot: Logged on 01-11-2014 23:55:45; mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/gjyG2Wwk << ustardian goes on a "first date", blows it. because racism.

17:45:16 mircea_popescu: " Losing respect for people is the first step towardsthe criminally insane mind. Losing the ability to think of otherhuman beings as of one's own kind is the last, the idea that one isdifferent from others, an outsider to humanity. You have crossed thatcrucial line, probably a long time ago." <<< fwiw, naggum i trivially invalidated by example.

17:46:05 mircea_popescu: i don't happen to be stuck in either of those two fixations that he proposes as fundamental, and somehow the sky is not falling upon the earth.

17:46:16 asciilifeform: naggum, imho, suffered from the crucial handicap of not growing up in the shark tank

17:46:41 mircea_popescu: in a more scholarly perspective : that "respect for others" argument is an exact reprise of the historical argument for "the respect for god". especially in the posited ill effects.

17:46:41 asciilifeform: and therefore able to sustain the illusion that most of the bipeds around are 'people' worth 'respect'

17:47:01 mircea_popescu: primitive religious minds all over europe firmly believed that unbelievers can not be decent, and will kill themselves or go on a rampage or something

17:47:16 mircea_popescu: notably, primitive minds in egypt had pretty much the same fiirm conviction last i visited.

17:47:30 mircea_popescu: yet... the sky is not kept up there by "respect", not of this, nor of that, nor of anything.

17:48:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that may well explain it. lack of experience makes any fiction plausible to the noob mind.

17:48:38 mircea_popescu: the reason contemporary arabs still believed stuff abandoned as lulzy centuries ago in europe has everything to do with me being the first nonbeliever they ever met.

17:51:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol way to go on a rant. clearly the quoted guy meant "people" as in groups. the implication that naggum isn't a person is not found inside the op's position.

17:52:07 mircea_popescu: did this fellow have a bunch of self-hate issues or something ?

17:53:42 asciilifeform: herr naggum was in the unfortunate position of inhabiting a very small space where idiots could not be routed around, but had to be actively hounded into exile

17:53:59 asciilifeform: picture if there were only 10 regulars here in #b-a, and one of them were ninjasp4mz0r

17:54:17 asciilifeform: and, for some odd reason, not everyone could agree to ignore

17:54:39 mircea_popescu: o, so not cultish enough ?

17:54:43 asciilifeform: aha.

17:55:02 mircea_popescu: funny how that works.

17:55:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0 <<< im not so sure i believe that, incidentally. iut's called parallel construction for a reason, and that reason is, "lying through the teeth". << SR 1.0 parallel construction, SR 2.0 comedy of errors

17:56:06 mircea_popescu: mebbe.

17:56:30 mircea_popescu: "Without getting into too much detail, it is useful for capturing minute distinctions between accents and dialects; it is not useful for achieving a dialect-neutral representation of a language."

17:56:31 asciilifeform: thing is, just about anything can be parallelkonstrukted into a 'comedy of errors'

17:56:36 mircea_popescu: what the FUCK is this even supposed to mean.

17:57:01 mircea_popescu: "can use spoon to eat soup but not paddle a small boat. because i am an idiot" wtf.

17:57:12 Naphex: or mebbe people just think too much of darkmarket operators

17:57:25 Naphex: people just throw shit on tor, and it bunks up

17:57:27 mircea_popescu: Naphex well the reddits wish to believe.

17:57:46 bounce: they all have posters?

17:58:06 mircea_popescu: if think about it : accepting the proposition that sr ops are dumb as rocks implies accepting the proposition that the shit will eventually be closed down.

17:58:12 mircea_popescu: they're addicts, they don't want to believe that.

17:58:21 asciilifeform: parallel construction is ridiculously easy, -especially- if the victim is in fact somewhat dull

17:58:42 bounce: which is most people

17:59:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly. which is the angle that i stand behind here. usg is using the tor as it was designed to be used, meanwhile lies about how they got the data, and the people accused are too fucking stupid for that not to stick.

17:59:26 asciilifeform: e.g., 'sr2 had a usg mole.' 'no we didn't' 'ah, but mr envelope-licker was our mole' 'no he wasn't, we were best chums' 'he just swore in court that he was mole.' 'but he did it to get charges dropped against self' 'tough'

17:59:27 mircea_popescu: this is the basic work mode of this entire process anyway, it doesn't work too well outside of it.

17:59:38 Naphex: mp nails it

18:00:08 asciilifeform: he nailed it at the time of sr1 also.

18:00:16 Naphex: hey you gotta figure out as soon as lowlies seen SR1.0 drop, find a dork, put a website on that tor thingie

18:00:21 Naphex: then eventually comes the bust

18:00:26 asciilifeform: sr1 was, afaik, running heartbleeding tor.

18:00:39 mircea_popescu: if any of the young uns reading us silently is looking for a dragon to slay anbd be a hero : run a new silkroad as a reverse-honeypot.

18:00:41 asciilifeform: for some reason - 'no one' mentions this.

18:01:02 mircea_popescu: sell some pills while keeping track of exactly all the ways the usg gets the data, actually, then leak that.

18:01:56 *: Naphex bets its just mostly HUMINT

18:02:25 mircea_popescu: the usg sigint capacity is really very poor, in spite of large expenditure and publicity

18:02:27 mircea_popescu: so it's a safe bet.

18:02:36 punkman: they took down around 400 .onions btw

18:03:37 Naphex: what i'm thinking is that they just infiltrate comunities, and then start drilling down

18:03:52 Naphex: its safe bet to figure that most of the lowlies will be meeting each other

18:03:55 Naphex: and discussing plots

18:03:56 mircea_popescu: this is well documented sop.

18:03:57 asciilifeform: that's the official story.

18:04:11 Naphex: its probably right also

18:04:20 asciilifeform: right for all 400?!

18:04:21 bounce: AIUI it was usg HUMINT that was laughingly poor

18:04:35 Naphex: asciilifeform: hey, in the small town i live in, like 300k

18:04:38 mircea_popescu: bounce only compared to other agents, that do a much better job of it.

18:04:42 Naphex: they made 30 arrets + busts, for fraud

18:04:45 mircea_popescu: compared to its own efforts however...

18:04:45 Naphex: in the same day

18:04:55 bounce: the impression I got was that the SIGINT is quite good, but the inter-office communication not so much

18:05:09 mircea_popescu: bounce now what sense does that make ?

18:05:37 mircea_popescu: this is like saying that the company went bankrupt not because it had no money, but because it kept not being able to move it from accounting to other offices.

18:05:42 bounce: it's a well-paying job for many little drones that produce all those intelligence reports that nobody gets around to reading

18:05:48 mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is often heard and only heard in ponzi schemes

18:06:23 bounce: the money flows with gay abandon to the point there's a term for that: "military industrial complex"

18:06:39 mircea_popescu: money was a parallel for info here.

18:07:24 bounce: parallel construction! I knew it!

18:07:31 Naphex: and really lets be honest here, why are those markets so easy to take down ?

18:07:48 asciilifeform: the two purposes of parallel construction are the obvious one (disguise and preserve pwnage capability) but also to sow distrust and spymania among the opponents of usg.

18:07:49 mircea_popescu: haha

18:07:51 bounce: dunno how easy, bit low on details

18:08:09 asciilifeform: and keep them using pwnables, convinced that any defeat is through the work of stoolies in their midst.

18:08:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you think distrust is a negative ?

18:08:45 asciilifeform: distrust in the pathological sense, rather than the 'trust but verify' sense

18:08:49 asciilifeform: 'anyone could be a witch'

18:09:09 mircea_popescu: but this is like saying "it's bad to have oil in the ground, because idiots will drink it"

18:09:27 mircea_popescu: well... if they do they won't be so long for this world, getting in anyone's way, right ?

18:10:53 asciilifeform: let's try that again. what's usg's plan for criminal 'elements'? not extermination, in any sense. but to keep the relationship symbiotic rather than predatorial.

18:11:19 asciilifeform: sicilian mafia refused, iirc, to distribute counterfeit german usd during ww2.

18:11:20 asciilifeform: why?

18:11:42 mircea_popescu: germans were kind of an annoying bunch.

18:12:23 asciilifeform: they wouldn't play ball with ru either, afaik.

18:12:25 asciilifeform: also because annoying?

18:12:31 mircea_popescu: from what i heard from the remnants of people actually involved, dealing with the germans was more or less like dealing with a party that had done a bunch of drugs, sober.

18:12:36 mircea_popescu: a grating experience at best.

18:12:52 asciilifeform: or because the folks with brains understood that they're part of some ecosystem that, if enemy is victorious, is slated for demolition?

18:13:48 mircea_popescu: sicily was roughly equivalent to old dixie. rural, strong right sorts of people. the proper way to regard the mafia is as the legal, lawful govenrment of the place being continually attacked and subverted by various socialists, in rome and abroad.

18:13:51 mircea_popescu: much like rhodesia, really.

18:14:00 asciilifeform: aha.

18:14:08 mircea_popescu: should be obvious why they didn't think much of the other rome

18:14:10 asciilifeform: afaik even schoolboys in usa know this.

18:14:17 mircea_popescu: (is this fiction still current, btw ? moscow as 3rd rome ?)

18:14:33 asciilifeform: this certainly wasn't part of the marketing literature, no

18:14:41 mircea_popescu: was a century or so ago.

18:14:45 asciilifeform: yes.

18:14:51 mircea_popescu: (the people in question might have known of this)

18:16:02 asciilifeform: incidentally, the roles reversed:

18:16:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://a-pesni.org/dvor/marsel.php

18:16:06 assbot: Ахилл Левинтон - Марсель

18:16:49 mats_cd03: 13:13:47 <+mircea_popescu> ... the proper way to regard the mafia is as the legal, lawful govenrment of the place being continually attacked and subverted by various socialists, in rome and abroad. << interesting perspective, this

18:16:58 asciilifeform: 'Советская малина / Собралась на совет. / Советская малина / Врагу сказала: — Нет! / Мы сдали того суку / Войскам НКВД. / С тех пор его по тюрьмам / Я не встречал нигде.'

18:17:00 *: mats_cd03 scribbles notes

18:18:24 asciilifeform: approximately: 'the soviet den of thieves / to council it did go; / the soviet den-of-thieves / to enemy, said 'no!' / we turned that bitch right in / to the chaps at kgb / since then, at not one prison / i ever him did see! '

18:19:24 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 look into calogero vizzini, if you're curious

18:19:44 mircea_popescu: people were still naming their kids calogero after him when de niro was but a wee boy.

18:23:30 mircea_popescu: Там девочки танцуют голые << lol at least got priorities straight.

18:25:01 ben_vulpes: Adlai: "python", "anything.el" << perhaps i am an emacs hipster but i rely on Helm and Elpy.

18:25:51 Adlai: emacs hipster is best hipster

18:26:05 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re foundation and politics. what politics?

18:26:18 *: mircea_popescu reviews logs.

18:26:39 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes time for bitcoin foundation to issue a statement that the only thing bitcoin needs is for politicians and other leeches to stfu and go away ?

18:26:54 asciilifeform: !s letter to sultan

18:26:54 assbot: 1 results for 'letter to sultan' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=letter+to+sultan

18:26:54 mircea_popescu: aha ? what is the q ?

18:27:11 ben_vulpes: not really a question, more of its own statement

18:27:47 *: Adlai often gets called a politician by irl friends and is unsure whether to take this as a compliment or wut

18:27:48 ben_vulpes: "what politics? what politicians? the above cannot possibly affect bitcoin."

18:28:22 ben_vulpes: (stage 1.)

18:28:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3185426046243327@naggum.net.html <<< i read a few dozen lines in that insane rant, then got bored, scrolled down past 4x as much material, ended up with the signature. sniper rifle ? srsly ? is this guy trolling ?

18:28:30 assbot: Re: Israel Thomas and Marcus G. Daniels and respect for people - Naggum cll archive

18:28:38 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes aha.

18:29:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: damned if i know. herr naggum was a shot, though. afaik it was one of his favourite pasttimes.

18:29:55 mircea_popescu: point being, after berating some random guy over 5k words for imaginary disrespects, calous sniping sig ? weird.

18:30:03 asciilifeform: it was his sig for ages

18:30:06 Adlai: mircea_popescu: poster from my greek history classroom: "It takes N muscles to smile // M[<N] muscles to frown // but 0 to just sit there with a dumb look on your face"

18:30:29 Adlai: s/</>/

18:31:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from same genre: http://a-pesni.org/dvor/vepohuvojn.php

18:31:41 assbot: В эпоху войн, в эпоху кризисов

18:31:46 Adlai: i'm not sure anybody knows exactly how much of the collected works of erik naggum is trolling and how much is genuine hatred for bullshit and idiocy, but i imagine most was the latter

18:32:19 asciilifeform: afaik his 'trolling' was specifically engineered to drive certain folks out of his turf

18:32:22 asciilifeform: see earlier discussion.

18:38:36 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "sidewalk" << isn't that your building's domain anyways?

18:38:56 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, bounce:

18:38:57 Adlai: damnit python, where's cl:change-class when you need it

18:39:20 asciilifeform: Adlai: why're you stuck with python, again ?

18:39:23 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, bounce: "gods" << mayer l brenner's dance of the gods series was very entertaining. i endorse.

18:39:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41343 @ 0.00060237 = 24.9038 BTC [+]

18:41:07 Adlai: asciilifeform: contract, so i can eat until the avenue ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913052 ) opens up again

18:41:07 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2014 01:18:27; mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.

18:41:42 asciilifeform: trader? of what? salted fish?

18:41:44 gernika: mircea_popescu: im pretty sure 3rd stage reader actually has two cvasi-simultaneous processes where the same photogram as registered by eyes is first parsed for stems then parsed for endings and they get superimposed in a 3rd stage << Is "3rd stage" a reference to a formal description of the classes of reading ability that I can research elsewhere?

18:42:14 Adlai: asciilifeform: anything, really, although the resolution of the salty fishmarket is probably too low for scalpl to be much good

18:45:24 BingoBoingo: Fish market requires nose resolution. Kidney market could use scalpel though.

18:45:51 asciilifeform: scalpcoin!

18:45:57 asciilifeform: (see last year's thread.)

18:46:15 Adlai: !s scalpcoin

18:46:16 assbot: 0 results for 'scalpcoin' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalpcoin

18:46:33 Adlai: google has failed me, too, only brought up https://twitter.com/scalpcoin

18:46:34 assbot: I scalp coin (@scalpcoin) on Twitter

18:48:20 asciilifeform: may have involved skulls rather than scalps.

18:48:48 Adlai: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=733916.0 ?

18:48:48 assbot: [ANN][SKULL] ☠ SkullCoin | in-Game Treasure Hunt | PoQ

18:49:35 Adlai: "Updates: We might switch over to dogeparty.io."

18:51:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2013#33346

18:51:20 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2013 02:56:36; mircea_popescu: tell you wahjt, if i'm the boss of a tribe and i need a curtrency ima make teeth the currenyc.

18:51:24 asciilifeform: ^ possibly start of thread

18:53:21 bounce: ew. I think I'll prefer rai stones, thanks.

18:54:22 Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2013#33371 << a forex fellow in NYC recently put it best: "Any commodity or asset being used as a store of value will experience higher prices than its 'true value'... Bitcoin separates this into a separate asset, enabling better price discovery for the others"

18:54:22 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2013 02:59:23; Chaaang-Noi: i find your guys reaction to gold and silver as a store of value very funny :)

18:55:31 asciilifeform: 'One metaphor for monetization is that of a storage vessel, like a battery for electricity or a tank for compressed gas. When people buy into the currency, they are charging the battery and compressing the tank. When they sell out, they are discharging the battery. When new currency is created (perhaps by alchemists) without a buy-in, the tank has sprung a leak. Etc. The charge, or the pressure, is simply the m

18:55:32 asciilifeform: arket capitalization of the entire present (and discounted future) monetary good.' (mr. mold)

18:59:30 Adlai: fwiw, if anybody in here is interested in geeking out a little on scalpl and trying it out for themselves (or just get a better idea for how well it works atm), i'd gladly do that in PM. i try to keep my horn-tooting to a minimum, although http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913050 is still going

18:59:30 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2014 01:17:32; *: Adlai begins a slow-paced infinite brainstorm of how to monetize open source trading software

19:02:41 Adlai: if i'm ever too spammy in repeating this, please tell me

19:03:09 asciilifeform: !s rape strategy

19:03:10 assbot: 3 results for 'rape strategy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=rape+strategy

19:03:18 asciilifeform: you can't.

19:03:47 Adlai: wat

19:04:32 Adlai: oh, this. you're welcome to do this, it's open source after all :)

19:04:33 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2014#845230

19:04:33 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2014 21:16:22; asciilifeform: (in fact, i suspect that any bot whose strategy is not a game-theoretical-finesse-rape of other bots - is quite useless)

19:05:00 asciilifeform: if no information asymmetry (i.e., everybody can see your cards) - no win.

19:05:02 Adlai: interesting. seen a certain way, i'm a slow-bleeding rape of things like MACD crossover bots

19:05:36 asciilifeform: (see rest of that thread)

19:05:39 Adlai: liquidity providing = rape strategy against anything that uses large market orders

19:07:07 Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2014#845277https://github.com/adlai/scalpl#abstract

19:07:07 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2014 21:26:13; mircea_popescu: really the proposition of making a living with trading bots is the response of the engineer who confronted with the fundamental impossibility of making money picking stocks decides to write a hard ai to do it.

19:07:08 assbot: adlai/scalpl · GitHub

19:08:42 Adlai: scalpl executes strategies which a separate component comes up with, in markets of that component's choice. whether that component runs on computers or brains is for that other component to decide.

19:10:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5857 @ 0.00060237 = 3.5281 BTC [+]

19:19:57 Adlai: +asciilifeform | if no information asymmetry (i.e., everybody can see your cards) - no win. << each limit order Lᵢ is one of Nⱼ orders belonging to a single entity, say Pⱼ. Lᵢ are known, but unknowns include ⱼ, Nⱼ, and Lᵢ→Pⱼ

19:24:51 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: "sidewalk" << isn't that your building's domain anyways? << the sidewalk ?! no, city property in all new yorks.

19:26:29 mircea_popescu: <gernika> yes, but not sure if avail in english. 1st stage literacy = kids 6 to 10ish yo, read by reading letters and vocalizing ; 2nd stage, bacalaureat level, reads words whole. 3rd stage, fit for college, reads whole page diagonally.

19:27:08 mircea_popescu: otherwise my usage was ambiguous, the 2nd reference rto a "3rd stage" just means the 3rd step in the reading process being proposed.

19:27:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36605 @ 0.00060245 = 22.0527 BTC [+]

19:27:38 Adlai: so, just knowing that scalpl is managing some assets in a market doesn't reveal its AUM or strategy, neither the general strategy nor the specific one at the present moment... the smaller the AUM, the better you can hide within the invisible hand

19:27:40 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Logged on 16-05-2013 02:56:36; mircea_popescu: tell you wahjt, if i'm the boss of a tribe and i need a curtrency ima make teeth the currenyc. <<< shit that spelling.

19:28:06 Adlai: mircea_popescu: being an early adopter hath itth pritheth

19:28:46 mircea_popescu: Adlai herbi has some ideas on this topic. http://fraudsters.com/2014/no-argument/

19:28:47 assbot: No argument pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:31:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, because orlovignorance is like the gift that keeps on giving : english is "not spelled like pronounced" for the exact any other natural language (including ones that believe quite delusionally that they are, like romanian) is not : this allows for a variety of disjunct speakers to at least use the same writing.

19:31:15 mircea_popescu: this was a crucial point in the early history of the various anglosaxon tribes

19:31:20 Adlai: mircea_popescu: tl;dr because i'm about to leave for a movie?

19:31:32 mircea_popescu: now, while utopia is nice and good, how does mr o plan to resolve this problem ? visit everyone's house and beat them into using the same rp ?

19:31:40 mircea_popescu: Adlai it'll wait.

19:31:54 asciilifeform: eh, he just wants a 'hangul'

19:32:00 mircea_popescu: no but wait.

19:32:11 mircea_popescu: how do you spell mr Wraithwaithe's name in his system ?

19:32:21 mircea_popescu: according to how said mr pronounces it ?

19:33:22 asciilifeform: presumably.

19:33:55 mircea_popescu: lol. way to go this "idea". "if languages were spherical and ate spherical hay, the best barn would be a ball. let me make such!"

19:34:10 mircea_popescu: the first ever language barn! largest best biggest.

19:34:52 asciilifeform: yet we make unnaturally-spherical ball bearings from ground steel rather than shoehorning nuts from the forest into bearing rails.

19:34:59 mircea_popescu: ftr : hangul only works because of the tedious ethnocultural homogenity of the peoples involved (2nd best korea also uses hanja, incidentally).

19:35:22 mircea_popescu: actual countries, such as romania, made out of ~40 or so different languages, or france, or the english space...well... no such luck.

19:35:49 asciilifeform: ussr cyrillicized colonies and tough cookies to those who disagreed.

19:36:04 asciilifeform: (note, only when it was readily workable)

19:36:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "die kugeln sind alle von eisen und blei, und manche kugel geht manchem vorbei."

19:36:49 asciilifeform: lol!

19:36:51 mircea_popescu: if you take my meaning.

19:37:07 asciilifeform: at any rate, i doubt mr o entertains delusions of his gizmo being imposed from above

19:37:08 mircea_popescu: they fucking miss, these steel balls.

19:37:19 asciilifeform: he genuinely thinks that it's superior tech.

19:37:29 mircea_popescu: it surely is. for such a spherical world.

19:37:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and then ussr had to break itself apart to protect itself from those very ones who disagreed. see ?

19:39:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine for a moment if you spoke a language derived out of ground down steel balls instead of shoehorned nuts found in the forest, and in exchange you had a chance for what i say to make any sort of sense comparable to the matter density of the universe.

19:39:38 mircea_popescu: ie, vanishingly small.

19:40:21 mircea_popescu: five minutes later you'd want this appalling sort of C++ expunged from the world

19:45:00 asciilifeform: tough nut to crack, this riddle.

19:45:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2560 @ 0.00060252 = 1.5425 BTC [+]

19:46:02 mircea_popescu: defo.

19:47:06 mircea_popescu: but it must be noticed, this simple fact : the current shoehorning nuts approach to communication does in fact offer an absolute guarantee. even if what i say doesn't make sense on the first pass, either you reread and get it or you throw an error which THEN makes sense to me and i fix it.

19:47:23 mircea_popescu: this is incredibly fucking immense, try and make an tcp stack that offers this guarantee to any os.

19:47:35 *: asciilifeform not an 'esperantist' and doubts mr. o is either

19:48:03 jurov: hi asciilifeform, have you seen the discussion on r/buttcoin?

19:48:10 asciilifeform: although i hear those are still around and kicking, somewhere

19:48:12 asciilifeform: jurov: ?

19:48:20 jurov: looks like they need some ELI5 explanation

19:48:24 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2lkevi/buterins_waterfall_a_likbez/

19:48:25 assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez : Buttcoin

19:48:38 asciilifeform: eli5 ?

19:48:48 mircea_popescu: "This is really, really autistic and I love it."

19:48:53 jurov: explain like i'm 5

19:49:12 jurov: ^ reddit treding buzzword

19:49:22 jurov: *trending

19:49:22 asciilifeform: that photoshit was my attempt at 'explain like 5'

19:49:29 asciilifeform: clearly - didn't work.

19:49:34 mircea_popescu: gaze upon the pit, asciilifeform !

19:49:35 jurov: no that's actually like 13

19:49:37 asciilifeform: i suggest that someone else try.

19:49:44 mircea_popescu: gaze upon its depth and know what true horror really is!

19:50:54 *: bounce waits for the "oh grow up already" trend on reddit

19:51:49 mircea_popescu: that's rapist

19:51:52 mircea_popescu: i mean racist

19:51:54 mircea_popescu: shit...

19:52:00 asciilifeform: apist.

19:52:01 mircea_popescu: i dunno what i mean anymore.

19:52:08 mircea_popescu: ALL THE WORDS ARE THE SAME WORD

19:52:35 asciilifeform: 'don't do the rape if you can't do the ape.' -- ilkka kokkarinen

19:52:37 bounce: ratist

19:53:09 mircea_popescu: rape, any R rated ape.

19:53:17 asciilifeform: no.

19:53:22 asciilifeform: vs l-ape

19:53:25 asciilifeform: chiral isomers.

19:53:57 bounce: "pg32"

19:54:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00060226 = 12.0452 BTC [-] {3}

19:55:10 mircea_popescu: lol

19:56:36 jurov: rapacious apes

20:00:08 ben_vulpes: ape ghost

20:00:39 mircea_popescu: one of the better lolz about the html :

20:00:42 mircea_popescu: According to specifications, HTML comments are expressed as SGML declarations. Declaration is special markup that begins with ?<!? and ends with ?>?, such as ?<!DOCTYPE ...>?, that may contain comments between a pair of ?--? delimiters. HTML comments are ?empty declarations?, SGML declarations without any non-comment text. Therefore, ?<!--foo-->? is a valid comment, and so is ?<!--one-- --two-

20:00:42 mircea_popescu: ->?, but ?<!--1--2-->? is not.

20:00:42 mircea_popescu: On the other hand, most HTML writers don?t perceive comments as anything other than text delimited with ?<!--? and ?-->?, which is not quite the same. For example, something like ?<!------------>? works as a valid comment as long as the number of dashes is a multiple of four (!). If not, the comment technically lasts until the next ?--?, which may be at the other end of the document. Because of this,

20:00:44 mircea_popescu: many popular browsers completely ignore the specification and implement what users have come to expect: comments delimited with ?<!--? and ?-->?.

20:06:10 jurov: since these SGML comments cannot be ELI5.. what else could be expected

20:11:32 mircea_popescu: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.wget.general/9621 << lulzy 2010 wget hole. background-image:url( ); (two spaces) in a css makes it report wget: memory exhausted ; one space makes it segfault.

20:25:35 mircea_popescu: lol

20:27:31 TomServo: So, I woke up with this 1990s turd rolling around in my brain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4

20:27:31 assbot: TLC - Waterfalls - YouTube

20:27:42 *: TomServo looks at asciilifeform.

20:28:19 TomServo: The chorus starts with "Don't go chasing waterfalls...", for anyone wanting to spare themselves the pain.

20:31:17 mircea_popescu: ahahaha i recall that

20:31:34 mircea_popescu: i distinctly recall this 16yos lip gloss too

20:31:37 ben_vulpes: just stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used toooooooo

20:31:57 mircea_popescu: it's been 20 years already huh ?

20:32:13 bounce: earworm, community edition

20:32:27 mircea_popescu: http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu << check me out, i'm like popular and shit.

20:32:27 assbot: Mircea Popescu | ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu

20:34:18 bounce: needs more abba

20:35:02 mircea_popescu: jesus these chicks can't sing

20:36:49 TomServo: It's awful.

20:40:31 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zcZ8zNVidg << there.

20:40:31 assbot: Pusca si cureaua lata........Valeria si Traian Ilea - YouTube

20:46:21 jurov: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/11/05/nyc-pastor-starbucks-is-flavoured-with-the-semen-of-sodomites/

20:46:21 assbot: NYC pastor: Starbucks is flavoured with the semen of sodomites · PinkNews.co.uk

20:46:37 jurov: “My suspicion is that they’re getting their semen from sodomites. Semen flavours up the coffee, and makes you thinks you’re having a good time.”

20:46:38 asciilifeform: so -that- explains the taste.

20:46:40 jurov: TIL

20:47:31 ben_vulpes: goodness.

20:47:55 mircea_popescu: lmap

20:48:13 mircea_popescu: is this semen taken out of a cup, a condom or straight out of asshole ?

20:50:01 asciilifeform: behind the counter.

20:50:15 asciilifeform: as old-time english barkeeps 'leinted' (pissed in) pints of beer.

20:51:22 jurov: the pastor supplies it, thus he knows. 100% organic stuff from free-range boys

20:51:42 mircea_popescu: til there's a gay interest news site.

20:53:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the taste is exactly us army campaign coffee. overburned to all hell for being kept heated 12 hours.

20:56:01 asciilifeform: they manage to make freshly-baked espresso taste just the same.

20:56:06 asciilifeform: overcooked beans.

20:56:40 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i only tried it once.

20:57:24 jurov: me about twice. was appalled how can anyone enjoy this.

20:57:57 mircea_popescu: i guess it's like selling oversalted food in bars - gives people incentive to cream the shit out of it.

20:59:20 jurov: i'm spoiled. there's strong lavazza espresso available at practically every shack around here

21:00:09 mircea_popescu: ba is not doing bad for coffee either.

21:18:56 mats_cd03: ever tried a 'ranger chew'? step 1. obtain MRE 2. remove condiment package with instant coffee and napkin 3. tear napkin 2in from corner and pour grounds on top of the torn piece 4. ball up napkin and stick it between gum and lip

21:31:51 mircea_popescu: have not. sounds pretty unpleasant tbh

21:54:49 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu that'd be https://twitter.com/saifedean you were asking about

21:54:51 assbot: Saifedean (@saifedean) on Twitter

21:57:20 mircea_popescu: wish him a merry b-a for me!

22:00:14 thestringpuller: !t s m.poe

22:00:14 assbot: You had the last Philistine. This one's mine.

22:00:39 thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

22:00:39 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00060019 / 0.00065756 / 0.00068888 (763539 shares, 502.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00060019 / 0.00072745 / 0.00079714 (3473188 shares, 2,526.58 BTC), 30D: 0.00060019 / 0.00074424 / 0.00081111 (23908166 shares, 17,793.47 BTC)

22:00:49 thestringpuller: wow this is the lowest it's been in years

22:02:29 mircea_popescu: ya srsly.

22:03:17 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will do :D

22:03:57 pete_dushenski: well an options emporium w/o options is just... an emporium

22:06:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu << check me out, i'm like popular and shit. << it's like a never-ending ama. suck it reddit!

22:06:47 assbot: Mircea Popescu | ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu

22:13:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.0006008 = 7.6602 BTC [-]

22:15:01 kakobrekla: he said 'log1.'

22:17:09 mircea_popescu: log1 is best log

22:17:10 mircea_popescu: and first.

22:17:39 asciilifeform: lol, log base 1

22:17:48 mircea_popescu: log base 1 is best log.

22:17:55 asciilifeform: best korea.

22:18:11 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: dub i dunno, what am i, the micromanaging tyrant of a cult ? << now why would anyone think that?

22:18:37 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/530846366902525952

22:18:39 assbot: Hey /saifedean: have you thought about dropping by bitcoin-assets some time? http://t.co/bsMbRCfy9J It's all the rage!

22:24:33 pete_dushenski: howdy Pierre_Rochard. just noticed you don't have a cloak?

22:27:35 Pierre_Rochard: Hey pete_dushenski, just googled what a cloak is and it does sound appealing. How did you get yours? (I searched contravex)

22:28:11 teward: Pierre_Rochard: might start here for a cloak on Freenode:

22:28:14 teward: bah

22:28:16 teward: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks

22:28:17 assbot: freenode: frequently-asked questions

22:28:54 pete_dushenski: teward's got it

22:28:56 teward: note it only applies here on this network - cloaks are a per-network thing.

22:29:27 pete_dushenski: iirc you just head over to #freenode and find an admin, pm them, and badabingbadaboom

22:29:47 pete_dushenski: and if it isn't menahem !

22:30:03 pete_dushenski: ;;rated menahem

22:30:03 gribble: You have not yet rated user menahem

22:30:14 Pierre_Rochard: teward, pete_dushenski thanks, asking now

22:30:18 teward: pete_dushenski: better to just ask in the channel for a cloak

22:30:20 teward: rather than PM staff

22:30:26 teward: they look through their logs ;)

22:30:38 teward: at least, sometimes. You're lucky if yo ufind active staffers :)

22:30:58 pete_dushenski: ;;rate menahem 1 shared coffees and beers

22:30:59 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user menahem has been recorded.

22:31:26 pete_dushenski: ya sometimes it's a bit of a wait for freenode staff

22:31:34 kakobrekla: klingon cloak > freenode cloak

22:31:47 pete_dushenski: i'd say they're sorta on par

22:33:07 kakobrekla: only superficially

22:33:24 *: pete_dushenski such a surface scratcher

22:33:34 Adlai: < invisible hand of the market cloak

22:33:50 kakobrekla: hm?

22:34:21 mircea_popescu: lol

22:34:29 mircea_popescu: !up saifedean

22:34:36 mircea_popescu: hey there, smart commenter of pete's blog.

22:35:42 mircea_popescu: "tu cara da sida calvo calvo tu calva parece un culo muajajaja toma rima. patubodygueno." << i got anon haters now too!

22:35:50 saifedean: why thank you... getting me started with high praise from MP himself... you folk are spoiling me

22:36:17 thestringpuller: klingon's have a monopoly on the cloaking process

22:36:23 thestringpuller: i also think they patented it

22:36:51 pete_dushenski: saifedean you *did* have some pretty solid rants in the comments. i was pleasantly surprised myself.

22:36:52 mircea_popescu: saifedean it's a cult. it's how it starts.

22:36:59 mircea_popescu: soon enough you'll be cleaning potatoes in seaorg.

22:38:04 saifedean: i don't mind being in a cult, but i do mind potatoes. Do you even paleo, bro?

22:38:21 bounce: what's this, the stone age?

22:38:31 bounce: thou shalt have potatoes and thou shalt like them, too

22:39:00 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate saifedean 1 “https://twitter.com/saifedean”

22:39:01 gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

22:39:21 pete_dushenski: you tried!

22:39:29 saifedean: @pete_dushenski i avoid keynesian retards like the plague, but if i do confront one, the ranting is uncontrollable and cathartic

22:39:55 pete_dushenski: i already sent saifedean the contravex article on the wot, so tis only a matter of time

22:40:11 thestringpuller: one of us

22:40:12 thestringpuller: one of us

22:40:20 Pierre_Rochard: haha

22:40:59 saifedean: this is the point when i must confront the brotherhood with my inadequacies... I still use windows and have no fucking clue what this GPG business is.

22:41:04 pete_dushenski: saifedean there's nothing like going off on people who swallowed public education whole eh?

22:41:49 pete_dushenski: well the jury's still out on just how bad gpg on winblows is

22:42:02 pete_dushenski: presumed to be awful but i can't said i've tried it

22:42:19 pete_dushenski: i think it's called gpg4win or something

22:42:20 saifedean: @pete_dushenski it can be fun, though after five years at columbia, it can take on the feel of trying to talk tapeworms out of your stomach

22:42:29 bounce: works about as well as anywhere else (which is, not that well), even comes with fancy front-ends to ease the pain a bit

22:43:13 bounce: that is, for someone used to the CLI and the general crypto geekery weirdness that gnupg is made of

22:43:30 thestringpuller: I still use windows << tis good for video games

22:43:33 ben_vulpes: jury is not out at all on windows.

22:43:39 bounce: lack that and we're in _why johnny can't encrypt_ territory

22:43:43 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I clearly shouldn't be allowed to have money...this is what you have caused http://youtu.be/GafOuTf5ntQ xD

22:43:43 assbot: Meanwhile, in Azelphurs house. - YouTube

22:44:20 thestringpuller: club azelphur?

22:44:29 mircea_popescu: unsuported browser!

22:44:30 Azelphur: thestringpuller: indeed

22:44:31 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes ok, but is it a deal breaker?

22:44:50 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: unsupported browser for youtube...what are you running, lynx?

22:44:57 mircea_popescu: pretty much

22:45:08 Azelphur: haha

22:45:23 mircea_popescu: <saifedean> this is the point when i must confront the brotherhood with my inadequacies... I still use windows and have no fucking clue what this GPG business is. << seriously, but an old laptop, put linux on it. it's like that time when you kissed a girl tho it seemed kinda stupid.

22:45:31 mircea_popescu: buy*

22:45:51 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: like that time when you kissed a girl tho it seemed kinda stupid << how is that ever stupid?

22:46:05 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well if you're young/clueless enough it seems kinda pointless.

22:46:39 saifedean: <mircea_popescu> i have two laptops and can do that, but can you recommend a guide to starting with linux?

22:46:56 thestringpuller: reminds me of Huxley's Brave New World where the kids are allowed to touch each other "exploratively" as they grow up in the nurseries

22:47:02 mircea_popescu: well, these days prolly gentoo. just get their stock install, whatever that may be

22:47:20 mircea_popescu: or if not, maybe ubuntu 10.04 or something.

22:47:28 mircea_popescu: don't get the recent versions, they're braindamaged.

22:47:29 saifedean: tyvm, on it

22:47:47 *: bounce probably should mention pc-bsd

22:49:40 rithm: ubuntu 10.04 was most stable for me

22:49:44 pete_dushenski: http://fusion.net/story/26178/the-best-thinkpiece-about-millennials-and-potatoes/ << heh speaking of potatoes

22:49:44 assbot: The best thinkpiece about millennials and potatoes -- Fusion

22:49:45 rithm: as a user

22:50:10 kakobrekla: id rather go with debian over ubuntu

22:50:15 pete_dushenski: “In fact, potatoes rate highest on what’s most important to Millennials.”

22:50:24 pete_dushenski: this explains everything i tell you.

22:50:43 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but he's coming from windows. best make this a stages thing.

22:51:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16296 @ 0.0006008 = 9.7906 BTC [-]

22:52:23 bounce: so did the debian bunch decide to flop or are they staying flipped on the poettering fanclub vote?

22:52:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19012 @ 0.0006008 = 11.4224 BTC [-]

22:53:02 kakobrekla: idk havent been following

22:53:53 kakobrekla: so much to do so little lifes.

22:54:47 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i have eulora question.

22:54:58 mircea_popescu: shoot

22:55:16 mircea_popescu: bounce well, the enemy is working the workings to prevent it.

22:55:44 thestringpuller: based on the statements first submission are considered for future work. but if the first submission is accepted is there a gpg transfer of IP? (and for a bill/price)?

22:56:29 mircea_popescu: yes.

22:57:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37574 @ 0.00060184 = 22.6135 BTC [+] {2}

23:03:03 saifedean: so what do you gentlement do around here? what time are the virgin sacrifices?

23:03:22 ben_vulpes: 2 weeks, best estimate saifedean

23:05:27 thestringpuller: !up saifedean

23:05:41 mats_cd03: sounds like saifedean is volunteering

23:05:44 pete_dushenski: in b-a we mostly share stories, tell jokes, and dream a dream

23:05:48 kakobrekla: saifedean what we do si in the logs, what you do is i dunno, tell us

23:06:08 mats_cd03: who has the fuel? lets do this thing.

23:06:39 *: kakobrekla has the matches

23:07:11 chetty: oo a bonfire? what are we burning? someone at the stake I hope

23:07:31 saifedean: kakobrekla well, in my day job i teach textbook macro and micro economics to undergrads... pays the bills and passes the time while i live in gorgeous lebanon, and also allows me to innoculate them against the textbook garbage

23:07:51 kakobrekla: not too bad

23:07:57 saifedean: and to preach bitcoin :D

23:08:44 kakobrekla: i give you over 50% of chance to fit here.

23:09:56 pete_dushenski: eh forgot to post this from yesterday: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/07/blogging-as-boundary-finding/

23:09:57 assbot: Blogging As Boundary Finding | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

23:10:17 ben_vulpes: auto da fe!

23:10:58 kakobrekla: arent you in the autoturdposter list?

23:12:37 mircea_popescu: saifedean log.bitcoin-assets.com << complete history of b-a proceeds

23:12:58 Adlai: +mircea_popescu | Adlai herbi has some ideas on this topic. http://fraudsters.com/2014/no-argument/ << where be herbi?

23:13:04 kakobrekla: its log1 really

23:13:17 saifedean: about a year ago i was interviewed on arab news satellite tv on bitcoin, probably the first interview in arabic on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWTyo0sJNCk

23:13:17 assbot: ‫جزيرة آلديرني البريطانية تتجه لتصنيع عملة "بت كوينز"‬‎ - YouTube

23:13:24 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl why didn't scoopbot pick up my last contravex piece?

23:13:24 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:13:27 mircea_popescu: you speak arabic ?

23:13:40 mircea_popescu: Adlai he's the other guy in that convo.

23:14:03 Adlai: mircea_popescu: i meant, where in /names

23:14:21 Adlai: or perhaps when

23:14:22 mircea_popescu: ;;seen herbidujsteloids

23:14:22 gribble: I have not seen herbidujsteloids.

23:14:24 saifedean: arabic is my first language

23:14:26 mircea_popescu: wtf was it.

23:14:40 kakobrekla: !s herbi*

23:14:41 assbot: 4022 results for 'herbi*' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=herbi%2A

23:14:41 mircea_popescu: ;;seen herbijudlestoids

23:14:41 gribble: herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> anyway, 3am here, just wanted to login and check on yall after i noticed mpex was down. lots of love.

23:14:56 mircea_popescu: saifedean o hey nice. well, qntra is looking for an arabic editor :D

23:15:32 saifedean: what does being arabic qntra editor entail?

23:16:07 mircea_popescu: you cover news occuring in arabic language for an english speaking audience

23:16:48 saifedean: the arabic bitcoin space is basically me and 5 other friends. I met one of them for a tea yesterday and that might be the top news of the month

23:17:05 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0N1EY32.txt )

23:17:05 kakobrekla: !b 1

23:17:13 kakobrekla: ty

23:17:16 mircea_popescu: ha. well... maybe in time then

23:17:35 mircea_popescu: wait. isn't taleb from lebanon ?

23:17:37 mircea_popescu: or was he syrian

23:18:02 pete_dushenski: levantine

23:18:03 saifedean: hes from lebanon, lives in nyc. he's a good friend and was on my phd defense committee

23:18:04 bounce: quick, submit to qntra. arabic bitcoiners hold tea party!

23:18:14 mircea_popescu: o holy shit.

23:18:19 mircea_popescu: please tell the man to stop by!

23:18:22 pete_dushenski: saifedean holy coolness!

23:18:57 mircea_popescu: <bounce> quick, submit to qntra. arabic bitcoiners hold tea party! << lol good one.

23:19:14 saifedean: lol @bounce

23:19:39 mircea_popescu: saifedean so what was your phd ?

23:20:00 saifedean: mp, you're gonna like my answer...

23:20:06 saifedean: Sustainable Development :D

23:20:25 mircea_popescu: lol. is it online ?

23:21:17 saifedean: https://academiccommons.columbia.edu/download/fedora_content/download/ac:141620/CONTENT/Ammous_columbia_0054D_10412.pdf

23:21:38 mircea_popescu: o look a pdf.

23:21:52 saifedean: here's 226 pages of a young man's twenties spent tackling carbon emissions :D

23:22:28 mircea_popescu: sooo qntra is broken. problem being workt on.

23:22:36 bounce: too many words?

23:22:51 Adlai: saifedean: there's a fart joke in there somewhere but i fear sharting if i push too hard

23:23:29 kakobrekla: lol

23:23:33 mircea_popescu: just that directory structure oozes competence

23:23:43 mircea_popescu: columbia/download/content/download/CONTENT/ftw.

23:24:14 mircea_popescu: should be interesting to meet the columbia webmaster someday.

23:24:16 saifedean: but there's math.. it's rigorous and shit... don't you people value science? don't you care about the children? why does nobody think of the children :/

23:25:11 mircea_popescu: math isn't science, math is philosophy.

23:25:59 saifedean: i really hope none of you waste any time reading this phd...

23:26:15 saifedean: there are more intellectually stimulating cat pics on the net

23:26:21 pete_dushenski: a challenge!

23:26:44 pete_dushenski: eh no need to be so modest ;)

23:28:06 saifedean: there's a long ass story about how this came about which i may tell to you some day near a fire... i basically started reading taleb in my third year and went off the good Ivy rails... by the end of my fifth i had written an absolutely heretic phd and submit it, and when my adviser finally got round to reading it, the day before the defense, she decided it wasn't acceptable and wasn't going to let me defend it

23:28:11 mircea_popescu: i suppose this is excellent proof that people derping random derpage may be idiots, but are not just for that reason actually evil.

23:28:16 bounce: math is hard on children. because kiddie-huggers feared it might be so they came up with kiddie math and now the real math is too hard

23:29:11 thestringpuller: bounce: they taught us single variable calculus in high school

23:29:18 thestringpuller: my parents didn't even learn trig until college

23:29:26 mircea_popescu: bounce the femiwhales "warning" normal, healthy women about [their delusional notions of] "rape" aren't doing it because "they fear healthy women might be hurt". what they fear is that healthy women may live an independent life.

23:29:30 mircea_popescu: independent of them.

23:30:04 saifedean: i had already got my job but needed the degree, so after i started the job, i had to basically write a whole new phd, get a new advisor and make it ivy-league-approved... the result is the derpage you saw above. read at your own risk

23:30:08 pete_dushenski: saifedean heh cool story. taleb has that effect

23:30:19 mircea_popescu: saifedean so what happened to the original ?

23:31:18 pete_dushenski: and how did you turn that heretic paper into a friendship with the guy?

23:31:23 saifedean: it's on my hard-drive, a long talebian/popperian/hayekian fisking of climate science and its pretenses of knowledge

23:31:35 mircea_popescu: saifedean make a blog, publish it. i'd read it.

23:31:39 asciilifeform: as will i.

23:32:08 mircea_popescu: this cult is such a cult.

23:32:40 thestringpuller: i thought cults didn't produce anything valuable

23:32:44 *: asciilifeform secretly hopes for taleb-minus-the-jackassery

23:33:11 cazalla: working on an article atm, this sr2.0 kid is either really dumb or stole the coins himself when sr2 was hacked twice

23:33:33 bounce: new cult member bearing gifts of seekrit knoweldge

23:33:34 asciilifeform: cazalla: see earlier thread today re: 'parallel construction'

23:33:47 saifedean: well taleb was the reason i went heretical, or the gateway drug at least, i met him and became friend and then went heretic... he liked the heretic version and was happy to be on my committee as the external examiner... but the columbia folks didn't like it so i had to rewrite it and do my Hail USG's, and he still sat onmy committee for that one and helped me defend it from their fangs

23:34:01 bounce: also, I'ma leave that tyop right there.

23:34:22 cazalla: asciilifeform, will do

23:35:12 Pierre_Rochard: “saifedean make a blog, publish it. i'd read it” <- ditto

23:35:13 saifedean: imma dig that heretic version up and see what it's like, havent looked at it in years...

23:35:47 mircea_popescu: saifedean so basically, would you say the usg is using grant money to coerce lies being published as "science" and to force people who won't do it leave academia ?

23:35:58 mircea_popescu: because this sounds so very soviet...

23:36:19 bounce: soviet science best science

23:36:20 Pierre_Rochard: !up saifedean

23:37:49 saifedean: well, it is very soviet, but it's more subtle than 'using grant money to coerce lies'

23:39:13 saifedean: the only way to get into a phd program, get a grant, get a job, get into a journal is if you buy into the premises... once you bought into the premises, the 'scientific method' will bring out the right result.. if you try to rock the boat, you're simply wasting the time of people who have research grant deadlines to meet and so can't be bothered to sit and actually think of anything

23:40:04 bounce: so in a sense a side-effect of too many scientists

23:40:12 asciilifeform: 'scientists'

23:40:17 saifedean: it's a direct effect of state-funded science

23:40:23 saifedean: science by committee and public grant

23:40:37 saifedean: it's the DMV-fication of science...

23:41:01 hanbot: exactly what mp was saying a few weeks ago

23:41:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2014#596424

23:41:12 assbot: Logged on 01-04-2014 02:12:07; asciilifeform: 'The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Ju

23:41:21 bounce: it doesn't necessarily get better with corporate monies. corporations want ROI

23:41:47 hanbot: and asciilifeform :)

23:42:45 kakobrekla: yes those two are so cute together

23:43:09 saifedean: science on a public budget is a self-referential circle jerk: get with the system and suck the cock above you and you might be lucky to get your cock sucked below sometime soon... you'll spend your life sucking and getting sucked and soon won't even remember your cute teenage aspirations of doing something useful

23:44:54 hanbot: you ever read david lodge saifedean?

23:45:41 saifedean: but of course the vast majority of people who play this circle jerk end up sucking and not getting sucked, somewhere along the line, funding dries up, a department closes down, a professor dies and you're left unemployable and with nothing useful to contribute to anyone

23:46:20 hanbot: the bezzle academiponzi.

23:46:37 saifedean: hanbot i haven't, but googling hiim now, looks interesting

23:46:42 asciilifeform: see also http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/decline.htm

23:46:42 assbot: Why I am Not a Professor

23:46:49 asciilifeform: (british, but applicable to all the nato colonies)

23:47:40 hanbot: saifedean, small world, among others, is pretty much the story of this problem

23:47:49 hanbot: very quaintly recounted.

23:52:04 saifedean: thanks asciilifeform, looks very good

23:52:40 *: asciilifeform was drummed out of academia, but at a much earlier stage fortunately

23:56:41 saifedean: i dug up the old phd and can email it to any of you who are interested. not sure it's worth publishing as it's still too academese to interest normals

23:57:16 asciilifeform: no 'normals' here afaik.

23:57:52 saifedean: lol, touche... i had meant normals in the sense of non-academics... though to be fair, this didn't interest the academics either :)

23:57:58 BingoBoingo: So the big stories from NBC Nightly news tonight: Berlin wall fell, Seinfeld and a bunch of 90's commedians are coming out as aspies

23:58:57 thestringpuller: Seinfeld and a bunch of 90's commedians are coming out as aspies << i couldn't tell

23:59:00 thestringpuller: lol