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Transcript for 07-11-2015, 561 lines:

00:00:11 ascii_field: ahahahahaha

00:04:02 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm not so sure

00:04:19 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You do remember how Animal Farm ends?

00:07:53 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: 2 legs good, 4 legs better ? or what was it...

00:08:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30411 @ 0.00053478 = 16.2632 BTC [-] {2}

00:15:30 pete_dushenski: "Volkswagen of America, in a bid to regain the trust of current diesel owners, will announce a prepaid card campaign on November 9, TTAC has learned. The program, detailed to dealers Thursday in preparation of its public announcement, is aimed at current owners of affected TDI models regardless of whether they bought their car new or used. Two prepaid cards will be offered to those TDI owners. The first one will be f

00:15:30 pete_dushenski: 500 and has no restrictions on where it can be used. The second, which may be valued between $500 and $750, will be limited to use at Volkswagen dealerships." << in which vw doesn't even try to 'fix' the problem that isn't and instead distributes cash to owners whose vehicles WILL BE WORTH MORE than the owners of post-scandal neutertronics

00:15:49 pete_dushenski: weird.

00:15:58 pete_dushenski: but still a big middle finger to regulators

00:16:31 pete_dushenski: so no, vw won't be 'fixing' any old vehicles. you can take your carbon, nox, etc and huff it.

00:17:44 mircea_popescu: this is obviousy to cover the cost of neutreting

00:17:56 mircea_popescu: while trying to take advantage of the consumer's disinclination to use it

00:18:38 mircea_popescu: but yeah, i imagine the regulotards are prolly livid.

00:18:57 mircea_popescu: "what, drive a wedge between the people and the governmentoregulating fruiting body ? WE OWN THE PEOPLE1!11!"

00:19:05 pete_dushenski: these prepaid cards will be used for organic groceries at whole foods

00:19:18 mircea_popescu: bedside's the point.

00:19:31 pete_dushenski: if my conception of the average american tdi owner is accurate

00:19:42 pete_dushenski: *late-model tdi owner

00:20:08 pete_dushenski: so much for pulling the plug on the us market altogether as per http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/in-which-volkswagen-takes-aim-at-the-insanity-of-statal-overbearing/

00:20:12 assbot: In which Volkswagen takes aim at the insanity of statal overbearing. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PcJNBH )

00:20:19 pete_dushenski: guess there was really no need

00:20:34 pete_dushenski: why leave when you own the house ?

00:20:48 pete_dushenski: the girl can leave. and take the kids too.

00:22:21 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318501 << /me looks forward to taunting pantagruel into going all the way.

00:22:21 assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 19:26:00; mircea_popescu: ascii_field there are two kinds of three year olds. all three year olds sooner or later threaten their parents with holding their breath. all parents laugh at this, as it's a physiological impossibility : if you do any sort of a good job you necessarily pass out, and once you pass out autosomatic control restarts breathing. the two kinds of kids are : the ones that are dissuaded by this ; and the one

00:22:46 mircea_popescu: you have no contribution in there.

00:23:03 pete_dushenski: o ?

00:23:15 pete_dushenski: seed shot, la fin ?

00:23:23 mircea_popescu: no, but it's for the benefit of the mother.

00:24:39 pete_dushenski: so the threat is only directed at the mother ?

00:24:58 mircea_popescu: well you know, small kids. their relationship is to mom.

00:25:53 pete_dushenski: to be sure, but then 'threaten their parents with holding their breath' is really 'threaten their mothers'

00:26:40 mircea_popescu: well, just like in a movie : actor threatens the other actor AND the audience, but can't really hear the audience.

00:26:56 pete_dushenski: and even still, i think panta's mom would get a kick out of seeing him pull it off

00:27:25 *: pete_dushenski will have popcorn on hand, regardless

00:27:58 pete_dushenski: speaking of which, how did it take movie theatres however many decades to figure out reserved seating ?

00:28:22 pete_dushenski: there's ONE theatre in town with this : reserved seating, wine+beer, hot food, the works

00:28:46 pete_dushenski: fantastic way to spend $20 (normal movie is $13)

00:28:53 mircea_popescu: i've yet to see a full movie theatre.

00:29:28 *: pete_dushenski has seen several times, unfortunately

00:29:30 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/imaginarium/ << real pix, or how i fucked a girl in of 3k empty seats.

00:29:31 assbot: Imaginarium on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXaTua )

00:37:37 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318569 << this needs to be taught ? more gender equalities studies needed plox. boys have no such inability.

00:37:37 assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 19:40:43; mircea_popescu: which is why teaching slavegirls to orgasm on command is important. the internalised sexuality is a good and useful proxy for a great many other things they need.

00:41:14 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318577 << americans do this domestically too ! http://abcnews.go.com/Health/york-man-grows-inches-surgery/story?id=15776730

00:41:14 assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 19:45:17; ascii_field: there is, iirc, a clinic in ru that does it. booked for years in advance.

00:41:17 assbot: New York Man 'Grows' Six Inches Through Surgery - ABC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1lbhDfh )

00:41:44 pete_dushenski: "Surgeons break the leg bone in two and implant a state-of-the-art telescopic rod into the middle of the broken bones which then pulls the bone apart very slowly, about one millimeter a day. New bone grows around it and tissues like the muscle, the nerves, the arteries, and the skin, regenerate as well. At about $85,000, the procedure is expensive and the process lengthy. It takes at least three months to complete it

00:41:44 pete_dushenski: it requires demanding and excruciating physical therapy."

00:50:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92802 @ 0.00054301 = 50.3924 BTC [+] {5}

00:52:09 trinque: pete_dushenski: I see two things there: a deep, pervasive obedience in human beings and a total lack of sane input

00:52:56 trinque: that he should be tall or short or have a flagpole in his ass was not and was never his idea

00:53:24 pete_dushenski: and who can say that their ideas are their own ?

00:53:43 trinque: for me, an open question, but surely approaches 0

00:54:22 pete_dushenski: arguably, will/cock is what separates actors from audience

00:54:42 pete_dushenski: audience has ideas too, but so what

00:55:15 pete_dushenski: too busy eating popcorn and chirping to be on stage

00:58:59 trinque: mhm, perhaps it is a not a question of whether moved, but by what

00:59:03 trinque: them, other humans

00:59:13 trinque: a man with will; that is the one harder to define

00:59:27 trinque: one can say himself, but is he committing tautology?

00:59:38 trinque: that's the open question

01:00:42 pete_dushenski: 'who is the first mover'

01:01:24 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318830 << lel. somehow brings to mind teh who 'conference' racket.

01:01:24 assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 21:07:48; mircea_popescu: stop throwing the motherfucking curve. have some productivity enhancement.

01:01:43 *: trinque goes to pick things up and put them down again, and to ponder this

01:01:58 pete_dushenski: which 'conferences' are really conventions

01:02:30 pete_dushenski: trinque: pick up spinoza sometime

01:05:15 pete_dushenski: re: 'conpherences' : http://www.conventionbusinesstravel.com/events/growth2015.aspx << looks like i just missed one in my own backyard, featuring speakers that include, and i couldn't make this up, a magician.

01:05:17 assbot: 2015 Business Productivity & Growth Conference | Convention Business Travel ... ( http://bit.ly/1lbiJrn )

01:19:56 shinohai: http://www.capecodtimes.com/article/20151103/NEWS11/151109846/101083 <<< Best title EVAH

01:19:58 assbot: Baby's death today in Sandwich is under investigation - Breaking News Updates - capecodtimes.com - Hyannis, MA ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXiwR9 )

01:27:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71534 @ 0.00054435 = 38.9395 BTC [+] {4}

01:50:17 mod6: asciilifeform & all, I've added one more change to V for the forthcoming version of 99998: People have been letting me know that if their system us using a version of perl less than 5.12 that it's been causing problems. So i've added a statement that requires a minimum of 5.12.

01:50:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20435 @ 0.00054455 = 11.1279 BTC [+] {2}

01:50:53 mod6: in the process of testing that change as well as the change for the temporary gpg directory.

01:51:14 *: mircea_popescu goes by, sees asscrack moving through the doorcrack.

01:51:32 mircea_popescu: who the fuck came up with gyms and why the fuck would you want the women working out outside the home.

01:52:35 pete_dushenski: 'need a reason to get out of the house'

01:53:25 pete_dushenski: 'need to find a fitness instructor worth banging while you're at work'

01:53:33 shinohai: Does this one not require Graph::Easy ?

01:54:27 mod6: This version will also have the change where Graph::Easy is not required unless you invoke v with the `g' or `graph' command

01:57:37 *: pete_dushenski to dinner

02:17:02 ben_vulpes: mod6: why does it fail with versions under 5.12?

02:17:27 mod6: because the 'each' keyword isn't supported.

02:17:41 *: ben_vulpes has just rediscovered that gpg doesn't handle filename wildcards gracefully or at all

02:18:11 ben_vulpes: mod6: i see

02:21:19 mircea_popescu: "In the world where the media postulates social media as an absolute requirement of the modern era-- the era where everything is fetishized-- no one is permitted to make the distinction between a value and the picture of a value, they are made equivalent, so daring to criticize Randi's baby pictures is made to sound like misogyny or misobaby. It's not. I love food but if you ask me to look at a picture of a food I wil

02:21:19 mircea_popescu: l poison your toothpaste. Be careful: the point is not that a woman shouldn't post her baby pictures, the point is that the system cannot profit from her baby except as a photo, so that in order to get them to do it more-- to be online more-- the system teaches them to overvalue the photo; and this must necessarily be at the expense of the object itself. #porn."

02:21:20 mircea_popescu: aww.

02:22:39 *: asciilifeform finally home

02:22:46 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: consider reading the src to gpg

02:22:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is very interesting in all the wrong ways

02:32:19 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfpq5dKnYJs << interesting sport - fake hanging

02:32:20 assbot: Dîmenê dawî ji şanoya "Nama Leyla Qasim" - Koma Qamişlo ya serbixwe - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1kzS4nx )

03:18:41 deedbot-: [fraudsters] How an economy functions ; how the pretense of an economy functions. - http://fraudsters.com/2015/how-an-economy-functions-how-the-pretense-of-an-economy-functions/

03:21:35 mod6: new code changes seem to be working good with manual testing; tested a bunch of different scenarios including if one does not have Graph::Easy installed, or if one has a version of perl less than 5.12. Working good there. all automated tests are passing.

03:22:33 mod6: still on track to sign and release v99998 this weekend.

03:22:42 asciilifeform: congrats mod6

03:24:22 mod6: thanks asciilifeform. forgot to mention that the new tmp gnupg dir is working well also.

03:24:50 mod6: The release email will outline the changes.

03:25:45 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Federal Reserve will raise interest rate at December FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1221/federal-reserve-will-raise-interest-rate-at-december/#b3

03:43:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00053174 = 16.6169 BTC [-] {2}

03:46:17 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318525 << Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. 24 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it.

03:46:17 assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 19:31:11; mircea_popescu: that if you don't despise yourself and your own achievements, you'll never get anywhere. but not too much! because you also won't get anywhere! etc.

04:05:14 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: 2 legs good, 4 legs better ? or what was it... << In the end it reverses as the pigs become nearly indistinguishable from the humans, except fatter. ESR in that pic seemed to have bagged a descendant of "napoleon"

04:07:20 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck came up with gyms and why the fuck would you want the women working out outside the home. << To bring grief to the Mayogendered with a demonstration of gender. Also squats build booty.

04:36:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00053371 = 23.1096 BTC [+] {4}

04:39:36 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319117 >> What happened to the economy when Revlon went bankrupt ? << supposed to say 'myspace' in the 2nd column?

04:39:36 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 03:18:41; deedbot-: [fraudsters] How an economy functions ; how the pretense of an economy functions. - http://fraudsters.com/2015/how-an-economy-functions-how-the-pretense-of-an-economy-functions/

04:44:16 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron aty

04:46:37 mircea_popescu: "I'm pretty sure that's Charlize Theron, not Scarlett Johansson." And I'm pretty sure they're the same person, and just because now she's Rachel Maddow doesn't mean she's serious.

04:46:38 mircea_popescu: loller.

04:46:46 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is rachel maddow

04:47:27 mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/df2fcf02fd786b354f2a5578d437180d/tumblr_mtjuu9NmgI1ssal8ko1_500.gif

04:47:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjnB7q )

04:51:23 mircea_popescu: holy shit it's James Spader !

04:53:24 BingoBoingo: He's been getting a lot of work recently.

04:54:14 mircea_popescu: as himself or as rachel ?

04:56:31 BingoBoingo: Both. I think his big role this year was as a giant robot who gets killed by a purple dildo.

04:57:43 mircea_popescu: sounds like a bump deal.

05:01:09 BingoBoingo: Eh, it was one of those masked hero movies so if he didn't die and asked for too much money they could have replaced him.

05:01:37 BingoBoingo: But he was the bad guy just as he is when he does drag as rachel.

05:36:38 BingoBoingo: trinque: How was the up and down?

05:37:41 trinque: pretty great; my tmux session now supports utf8 hieroglyphs

05:38:05 trinque: oh working out, good as well

05:38:10 BingoBoingo: cool

05:38:50 trinque: plenty of eye candy over there; I did various machine press, curls, that weighted rowing machine

05:39:08 trinque: focusing on the things I've neglected sitting at a keyboard too long

05:46:48 BingoBoingo: AH

05:52:33 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

05:52:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 381.3, vol: 40342.05981532 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 370.068, vol: 18665.95388 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 382.12, vol: 73731.05124534 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 11.9990794 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 401.23755, vol: 79982.66730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 379.0, vol: 65.86842731 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 370.599, vol: 239.35691954 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

05:52:45 BingoBoingo: ;;more

05:52:46 gribble: 388.072157846

06:01:38 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1319015 << here's to wishing our newly made 'orange revolutionary' a speedy meeting with headzoff.com

06:01:38 assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 23:53:27; punkman: from el reg http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1096&cpage=1#comment-237490

06:03:03 asciilifeform: 'Inasmuch as, you are one of the most influent persons in one of the most talented community (Hackers) in the world, I humbly ask you write about Iran and what?s going on there. Please tell the world that Persian people are fight for freedom ....'

06:05:35 trinque: "I’m armed and maintaining Condition Yellow." << bwahahahaha

06:05:48 asciilifeform: 'yellow' is, one might suppose, wet pants ?

06:05:52 trinque: so much heavy breathing

06:05:55 asciilifeform: is next condition 'brown' ?

06:06:25 trinque: hopefully his mother is on call for the code brown with fresh undies.

06:06:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49490 @ 0.00053568 = 26.5108 BTC [+] {2}

06:08:09 asciilifeform: '09.

06:08:16 asciilifeform: where did this go, anyway.

06:08:28 asciilifeform: same place as the hongkong attempt 6 mo. ago, presumably.

06:15:28 asciilifeform: turned out that usg's cia and dept of s. only had so many bag lunches to pass out to idiots sitting and blocking streets

06:15:37 asciilifeform: in hk or teheran or kiev, wherever

06:15:51 asciilifeform: i can almost picture some underground phaktory cranking'em out.

06:15:58 asciilifeform: for the next go-around.

06:22:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00054168 = 7.8002 BTC [+] {2}

06:51:36 mircea_popescu: i<asciilifeform> 'yellow' is, one might suppose, wet pants ? << dja know the stephen the great jokes ?

07:01:13 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSaXYNJVAAA9Ogg.jpg

07:01:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/20BQJO2 )

07:21:15 punkman: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfpq5dKnYJs << I dun get it. fake-stoning could be fun too

07:21:16 assbot: Dîmenê dawî ji şanoya "Nama Leyla Qasim" - Koma Qamişlo ya serbixwe - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1kzS4nx )

07:22:31 punkman: oic now " this is the enactment and remambrance ceremony of the female kurdish student Leyla Qasım who was captured, tortured, tried and executed within 20 days in 1974."

07:25:43 mircea_popescu: they gotta have something better than one she-kurd 40 years ago

07:25:51 mircea_popescu: how about 40 kurdettes last year ?

07:29:00 punkman: myeah

07:29:20 punkman: http://vnhacker.blogspot.com/2015/11/tales-of-cryptographer.html

07:29:21 assbot: thái: Tales of The Cryptographer ... ( http://bit.ly/1L2omNk )

07:32:28 mircea_popescu: "Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about

07:32:29 mircea_popescu: your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go."

07:33:20 mircea_popescu: or how giving women money fucks up media for everyone. now they gotta cater to what women want, too, and since what women want is probably somethign stupid and without explosions in it, you get two anodyne fagboys to replace harrison ford, at 1/4 the pay each.

07:35:43 punkman: I feel like I've read that one two dozen times

07:35:53 punkman: !s cyberbullying is a barrier

07:35:53 assbot: 2 results for 'cyberbullying is a barrier' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cyberbullying+is+a+barrier

07:37:47 mircea_popescu: i confess to being slightly obsessed.

07:37:59 mircea_popescu: this entire anonimity bs never made any sense to me

07:38:07 BingoBoingo: "STEM is soooooo last decade. FAG is the new science.Fatminism, Arts and Gender Studies will train a new generation of educated young womyn and allies to compete with the likes of Asia."

07:44:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16718 @ 0.00054168 = 9.0558 BTC [+] {2}

09:36:13 BingoBoingo: https://sli.mg/k6ceiZ

09:36:14 assbot: Image hosted on Sli.mg ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mhe1yU )

09:38:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/columns/joe-holleman/april-simpson-ktvi-part-ways-over-intern-dispute/article_75783efa-e82a-5d73-afdf-83db0d7397e6.html

10:11:10 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 v99998 tests passed all boxes, tested the < 5.12 perl on all then installed proper.

10:11:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:29:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3696 @ 0.00054168 = 2.002 BTC [+] {2}

11:30:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31467 @ 0.00054442 = 17.1313 BTC [+] {2}

12:40:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8012 @ 0.00054616 = 4.3758 BTC [+]

12:54:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36446 @ 0.00054533 = 19.8751 BTC [-]

14:51:06 punkman: http://www.themarysue.com/zoe-quinn-new-book-and-film/

14:51:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S6yqdG )

14:51:09 punkman: "The book, Crash Override: How To Save The Internet From Itself, is a memoir", "Pascal Pictures won the bidding war for rights to the book, and Scarlett Johannson is circling the project, apparently very keen to play Zoe."

15:08:30 shinohai: So how is Scarlett Johannson gonn go from hot to tumblresque ?

15:40:00 mircea_popescu: eh gtfo. you knew dumbass was angling for "celebrity" since day one

15:40:11 mircea_popescu: us "feminism" = wannabe michael moore

15:40:31 mircea_popescu: the fat fag sucked. these harpies ? really, 0 interest, what else is on ?

16:01:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you've got mailz

16:09:23 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319173 << nein

16:09:23 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 06:51:36; mircea_popescu: i<asciilifeform> 'yellow' is, one might suppose, wet pants ? << dja know the stephen the great jokes ?

16:10:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319176 << when i ran into the linked film, i sorta assumed that something went wrong and at least one of the gallows birds really did hang properly. was very disappointed to learn that this was not so.

16:10:19 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 07:21:15; punkman: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfpq5dKnYJs << I dun get it. fake-stoning could be fun too

16:11:21 asciilifeform: i find the subject of 'theatrical noose' interesting. how does it work? are there multiple schemes? have there been notable historic snafus with this device ?

16:11:48 asciilifeform: i'm also at least vaguely aware of at least one case where a prisoner arranged to be hanged on a theatrical stage, as part of a performance

16:11:56 asciilifeform: (properly hanged, that is)

16:12:56 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319215 <<< asking those burning questions others dare not ponder ....

16:12:56 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 16:11:21; asciilifeform: i find the subject of 'theatrical noose' interesting. how does it work? are there multiple schemes? have there been notable historic snafus with this device ?

16:13:11 asciilifeform: (so many puzzles. e.g., is a 'long drop' hanging typically also filmed with a doctored noose? or a dummy ?)

16:16:17 asciilifeform: 'Fareweel, ye dungeons dark and strong, / Fareweel, Fareweel tae thee. / MacPherson's time will nae be lang / On yonder gallows tree. / Sae rantin'ly, sae wantonly / Sae dauntin'ly gaed he / He played a sprig and danced a jig / Below the gallows tree.' (tm) (r)

16:16:34 punkman: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4396077.html

16:16:35 assbot: Actor playing Judas dies in hanging scene - Chicago Sun-Times | HighBeam Research ... ( http://bit.ly/1SzqSRB )

16:17:05 asciilifeform: 'The character Judas hangs himself in the musical, but the harness protects the actor. Investigators were trying to determine why the man didn't attach it.' << good timez

16:18:33 punkman: I guess the easy way to do it might be a harness around your armpits

16:18:44 asciilifeform: how did they go about, i might ask, 'determining why the man did not attach it' ? with a seance ?

16:19:09 asciilifeform: 'ouija' board ?

16:22:49 punkman: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133896/Actor-accidentally-hangs-stage-enacting-death-Judas-Iscariot-Easter-play.html

16:22:50 assbot: Actor accidentally hangs himself on stage while re-enacting death of Judas Iscariot in Easter play | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1SzrJ4u )

16:22:54 punkman: another judas :P

16:23:39 punkman: "But the safety vest the actor was wearing under is robe is believed to have risen up across his neck, strangling him. "

16:25:28 punkman: I guess this happens every other year http://www.salon.com/2000/05/08/judas/

16:25:29 assbot: Actor playing Judas accidentally hangs himself - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Szs2MJ )

16:32:58 punkman: in other news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OYfioDIzrc

16:32:59 assbot: Force Flops? Chewbacca arrested in Ukraine after campaigning for Darth Vader - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Szt4Z4 )

17:08:59 shinohai: http://thestir.cafemom.com/politics_views/145144/teen_haunted_house_hanging_accident <<< thanks for making me waste the afternoonover tea and morbid subjects asciilifeform

17:09:01 assbot: Teen Haunted House Hanging Accident Was Mistaken for Scary Prop | The Stir ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvDbjf )

17:35:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319205 << what in the name of beelzebub is a 'crash override' ?

17:35:14 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 14:51:09; punkman: "The book, Crash Override: How To Save The Internet From Itself, is a memoir", "Pascal Pictures won the bidding war for rights to the book, and Scarlett Johannson is circling the project, apparently very keen to play Zoe."

17:35:23 asciilifeform: is this a reference to the old AUTOVON 'flash override' button ?

17:35:40 asciilifeform: and how does it relate to what some idiot sow did ?

17:36:01 *: asciilifeform gives up trying to unravel this mystery, goes back to actual wurk

17:37:59 asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autovon#/media/File:66a3aDTMFpad.jpg << the button. upper right hand of photo.

17:38:00 assbot: Autovon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvFRNJ )

17:39:57 punkman: https://github.com/ajalt/fuckitpy "Some code has an error? Fuck it."

17:39:58 assbot: ajalt/fuckitpy · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvG3fV )

17:40:03 punkman: also known as php

17:40:40 asciilifeform: punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2014#678174

17:40:40 assbot: Logged on 16-05-2014 17:52:50; benkay: fuckit.py

17:42:19 asciilifeform: it is difficult not to be reminded, reading this, of the legends re: icbm cables with differing pin counts being pounded in with a sledge (from ru literature, obviously pertaining to sov rockets, but i'd be surprised if similar legends did not circulate in usa)

17:42:57 punkman: asciilifeform: was answer to what is crash override, but also just remembers it was a nickname of someone in Hackers movie

17:43:07 asciilifeform: was, wasn't it.

17:43:09 asciilifeform: l0l

17:44:01 punkman: "Crash Override Network is a pro bono support group for victims of large scale online abuse, including revenge porn and doxing."

17:44:49 punkman: and new Star Wars lead is a girl, and she'll probably get bullied at some point

17:45:23 punkman: Disney knows how much stupid shit all the fangirls will buy

17:45:32 asciilifeform: http://www.e-news.su/uploads/posts/2015-09/1441799497_43.jpg << them cables

17:45:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvGDKK )

17:45:53 asciilifeform: (from a very spiffy piece, http://www.e-news.su/in-russia/74282-vzglyad-iznutri-na-proizvodstvo-raketnyh-dvigateley.html concerning motor factory)

17:45:54 assbot: Взгляд изнутри на производство ракетных двигателей » E-news.su ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvGEOB )

18:02:47 punkman: "It's just you and your least favorite child. Come to Arbys. Feed him emulsified beef reformed w meat glue. Watch him slowly die. Arbys."

18:05:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50500 @ 0.00054624 = 27.5851 BTC [+] {3}

18:23:07 PeterL: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316031 << The first thing I thought of when I saw this thing was the chairs the people use in the movie "WALL-E"

18:23:07 assbot: Logged on 04-11-2015 18:49:20; pete_dushenski: http://altwork.com/ << save the 'angel investor' 'prototype' blah blah, this is an intriguing workspace concept. only about a 2016-btc too

18:24:14 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319259 < women in tech

18:24:14 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 17:45:53; asciilifeform: (from a very spiffy piece, http://www.e-news.su/in-russia/74282-vzglyad-iznutri-na-proizvodstvo-raketnyh-dvigateley.html concerning motor factory)

18:30:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see!

18:34:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23931 @ 0.00054684 = 13.0864 BTC [+] {3}

18:39:18 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> with a seance ? << they just ask the other people.

18:40:33 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and how does it relate to what some idiot sow did ? << because people keep talking about it as if it were important. and so what the hell's the difference.

19:05:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spiffy commentary on ye olde broadcast !

19:05:34 mircea_popescu: :p

19:05:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ytou ever found that tlp where he says "x derp is just there because the seat existed" ?

19:05:48 mircea_popescu: now I fucking need it too.

19:09:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: here ya go http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2015#1299109

19:09:07 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 00:26:51; mircea_popescu: "If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different. You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player. You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc. The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover

19:09:13 mircea_popescu: ty!

19:09:16 asciilifeform: np.

19:09:21 mircea_popescu: kept googling for biedermeyer

19:09:55 *: asciilifeform throbs memory biceps

19:10:55 mircea_popescu: updated a little that real/fake article from yest.

19:11:10 mircea_popescu: funny how this happens, on perhaps 1% of articles, i actually want to add more stuff in the morning.

19:11:21 *: asciilifeform also does this.

19:11:27 *: asciilifeform brb, playing with pet

19:16:52 deedbot-: [fraudsters] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2015 Statement - http://fraudsters.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-october-2015-statement/

19:43:57 mircea_popescu: "There should be no controversy: a guy should never tell a girl he's going to rape her, online or not, kidding or not." umm,... and whence doth that should come from ? what nonsense is this, anyway ?

19:43:58 mircea_popescu: it's not that there should be no controversy THIS way. There should be, and really there is not, any controversy the other way. ~Some guys~ SHOULD tell a girl they'll rape her. If they don't, how are you to stand out ? And "girls" in the general must be convinced in their bones that either they put out with their choice or get collectively raped by everyone. This part seems to work okay, anyway.

19:45:09 mircea_popescu: " there should be no instinct at all to defend such a jerk, and yet----- and yet that is precisely the instinct many people get." << check it out, usg wants monopoly on orcdom now. IT can defend the outcasts so they can terrorize the cattle, i'm not "allowed to" because hey, there can be only one and it can't be me, amirite ?

19:45:18 mircea_popescu: usg gun git raped in the ass.

20:01:43 ben_vulpes: ...

20:01:54 ben_vulpes: some girls wanna hear it!

20:02:19 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319280 << /me swoons

20:02:19 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 19:09:55; *: asciilifeform throbs memory biceps

20:03:20 ben_vulpes: (but you know they're weird and perverted etc)

20:09:35 mircea_popescu: and by "Some girls" we mean "the vast majority of human females of reproductive age", but hey, they don't read random derpy us website nobody reads so they don't count\

20:09:48 mircea_popescu: har har tell me more about some film boxxy made.

20:17:46 asciilifeform: l0l how're things in the entomology corps !

20:18:33 asciilifeform: (hey it beats scatology - who am i to talk! i'm writhing in the guts of winblowz kernel presently...)

20:19:42 asciilifeform: in other 'news',

20:19:55 asciilifeform: happy holiday! http://littlecom.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Aurora1917Meschaninov10.jpg

20:19:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiMr4c )

20:20:46 asciilifeform: 'Что тебе снится, крейсер «Аврора», В час, когда утро встаёт над Невой?' (tm) (r)

20:21:19 asciilifeform: http://www.norma40.ru/chd/aur.htm << for musicoarchaeologists only.

20:21:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NiMz3N )

20:43:41 mod6: so apparently the 'each' keyword is pretty much to be avoided like the plague.

20:44:30 mod6: i've re-written the traversals of the map for ante & desc and my new changes passed the automated tests.

20:45:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00054533 = 6.0532 BTC [-] {2}

20:45:06 mod6: it's only 2 more lines of code really. so it's not a bad solution, and this affords me not to have to require perl 5.12 or greater.

20:45:25 mircea_popescu: good idea.

20:45:29 mod6: i've got one more spot in the code to change out 'each'

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20:46:12 mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, perl v5.005 or whatever has been in use since 98, lot of systems have from that version forward. would be good to support older versions.

20:46:31 mod6: and get away from 'each'.

20:46:57 mod6: anyway, will update later when I get a chance. thx!

20:51:19 mod6: ok, last place of 'each' removed -- only one more line of code required there.

20:51:23 mod6: running automated tests...

20:57:57 mod6: ok everything passed. I'm glad I wrote all of those. makes regression testing on core functionality like this so much easier.

20:58:55 ben_vulpes: TESTS

20:58:57 mod6: shinohai: thanks for doing all that testing on V. looks like I might need another round yet before tomorrow.

20:59:02 ben_vulpes: WRITE MOAR TESTS

20:59:11 mod6: I'll try to chat you up later tonight.

20:59:16 mod6: ben_vulpes: indeed.

20:59:54 ben_vulpes: "my only job around here is to scowl loudly at bad commits and demand more tests" - $bzprtnr

21:00:17 asciilifeform: 'test can prove the presence of bugs, but never their absence' -- vladimir ilich knuthikstra

21:03:35 ben_vulpes: i think you may have even cited that before

21:03:40 asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz, that xv6 thing actually builds without any massage whatsoever, and... runs

21:04:02 asciilifeform: remarkably slowly, even for an emulated thing

21:04:05 asciilifeform: no cache.

21:04:22 asciilifeform: but passes the author's testatron (included)

21:04:52 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: they have their place. i find it convenient to have tests when rewriting large swaths of a thing either i've written: with the behavior codified, i don't have to manually poke at the thing to ensure that it still behaves the way it did before i tore it apart and put it back together.

21:05:02 asciilifeform: aha

21:05:09 *: asciilifeform not a principled opponent of testatrons

21:05:22 asciilifeform: but it is not a substitute for knowing wtf you're doing

21:05:31 asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's article on 'exam takers'

21:05:46 ben_vulpes: yes yes

21:06:34 asciilifeform: for anybody else who is considering an evening of playing with xv6, some notes:

21:06:54 asciilifeform: 1) you don't have to use the serial console. the thing includes basic text term and kbd handler.

21:07:31 asciilifeform: 2) if you have 64-bit qemu because you're an old osdev junkie, qemu-system-x86_64 -smp 2 -m 512 -hda xv6.img -hdb fs.img instead of the makefile's runner.

21:07:56 asciilifeform: 3) mighty slow, because the thing actually prods the disk every time you file

21:07:57 mircea_popescu: define slow.

21:08:41 asciilifeform: hundreds of msec to fopen()

21:08:54 asciilifeform: sorta like msdos on a 8086

21:09:27 mircea_popescu: aha

21:09:33 asciilifeform: i haven't tried to plant the thing on iron, as of yet. nor do i know whether the author has.

21:09:38 mircea_popescu: so basically like ipad with ios 9?

21:09:41 asciilifeform: leaving this for other folks here.

21:09:52 *: asciilifeform does not have this machine, cannot comment

21:10:04 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^^ ?

21:10:46 asciilifeform: moar like win95 with 8MB of ram

21:10:53 asciilifeform: but why ruin appetites.

21:12:54 asciilifeform: but yes, it is a unix, in about 200kB of src.

21:13:07 asciilifeform: and it can also 'compile' to... book

21:13:14 asciilifeform: (contains pagebreak comments)

21:13:29 asciilifeform: (iirc minix also did)

21:13:53 mircea_popescu: ha.

21:14:04 mircea_popescu: 200kb is just about a book

21:14:20 asciilifeform: the principal difference between this and actual sys6 is that a) written in ansi, rather than k&r c b) ab initio, for x86 b) ab initio for multiple processors, which actually simplifies threading & locking

21:16:04 asciilifeform: and apparently there are some bonus gizmos, like a ramdisk device, in there.

21:16:06 ben_vulpes: how does the ipud figure into this?

21:16:21 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i think he meant it as an example of slow box ?

21:16:43 ben_vulpes: more like iphone 4s with ios 9

21:16:48 asciilifeform: prolly in the sense of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300

21:16:50 assbot: Loper OS » Going Nowhere Really Fast, or How Computers Only Come in Two Speeds. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OVhuca )

21:20:48 BingoBoingo: <shinohai> So how is Scarlett Johannson gonn go from hot to tumblresque ? << Remember that series of films where she went from a spy to a public figure holding fucking glowsticks on a movie poster?

21:22:33 deedbot-: [fraudsters] The Minuscule Crab of Doom and the Sympathetic Spool of Drool - an endlessly complex machine to shred your dreams to pixie dust! - http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-minuscule-crab-of-doom-and-the-sympathetic-spool-of-drool-an-endlessly-complex-machine-to-shred-your-dreams-to-pixie-dust/

21:22:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19271 @ 0.00054693 = 10.5399 BTC [+] {2}

21:28:31 ben_vulpes: http://fraudsters.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-october-2015-statement/#footnote_1_63841 "to survive" << i suppose if the thing can be said to survive while asciilifeform starves...

21:28:32 assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2015 Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qb878w )

21:28:44 asciilifeform: eh not starving yet.

21:28:52 asciilifeform: might have to work at a kitten recycling plant tho

21:29:02 asciilifeform: survivable.

21:30:10 ben_vulpes: https://twitter.com/NWikihow/status/654660352706121729

21:30:31 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what, by the way do you mean by "web work"?

21:30:42 asciilifeform: where

21:30:46 ben_vulpes: anything touching the request/response cycle? apis etc?

21:31:14 asciilifeform: roughly, anywhere asm is never a thing.

21:31:19 ben_vulpes: our conversation the other night. "wot suggests i..."

21:31:21 asciilifeform: ah

21:33:03 asciilifeform: oh and that pic is pure win.

21:33:30 asciilifeform: http://m.wikihow.com/Be-a-Communist << source, linked in earlier

21:33:31 assbot: How to Be a Communist (with Pictures) - wikiHow ... ( http://bit.ly/1S7fCuS )

21:34:16 asciilifeform: 'Avoid causing physical or mental harm other people in the course of your revolutionary activities. Becoming an oppressor yourself will not further the communist cause, and will only land you in jail!' << nice try capons

21:35:31 asciilifeform: this is rather like reading an article 'how to become a nazi' and therein reading that you gotta gas ~yourself~ with zyklon

21:55:13 thestringpuller: asciilifeform ain't starvin!

21:55:25 thestringpuller: he probably shops at whole foods

21:56:13 asciilifeform: partial foods.

21:58:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00054533 = 11.3429 BTC [-] {2}

21:59:38 BingoBoingo: !b 2

21:59:39 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3E76YJA.txt )

22:02:33 ben_vulpes: so my father managed a gentleman who'd moved from the soviet block many years ago. the man walks into my fathers office one day, asks for some privacy to talk about american things. "in odessa, we put children out to nap. cold air, is good for little lungs! anyways," hands my father a letter, "what is this 'child protective services?"

22:02:46 ben_vulpes: "oh, they'll take your children away if you don't conform to us norms."

22:03:00 ben_vulpes: "child was completely wrapped! not a big deal!"

22:03:12 ben_vulpes: "you don't understand. they. will. take. your. children."

22:03:39 asciilifeform: wrapped ?

22:03:41 ben_vulpes: "this is worse than russia! even kgb would not take children...my wife will never go along..."

22:04:03 ben_vulpes: wrapped up, bundled, swaddled, generally speaking insulated from the cold.

22:04:05 asciilifeform: ah

22:04:18 asciilifeform: clearly fella doesn't read ru fishwraps or even blogz

22:04:24 ben_vulpes: "when it comes to children, the us /is/ worse than russia."

22:04:37 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this was a decade or three ago.

22:04:39 asciilifeform: this kind of usgistic rape has its advocates in ru, and they are - correctly - beaten on the streets or wherever found

22:04:42 asciilifeform: ah

22:05:18 asciilifeform: one of the points on which ru is the last bastion of sanity in the white man's world

22:05:55 ben_vulpes: the west may have been brought under dominion of the feds with marriage laws, but the whole country is dominated by CPS.

22:06:10 asciilifeform: ... and the divorce-theft courts, etc.

22:06:23 asciilifeform: don't forget the 'child support'/alimony apparatus

22:06:59 ben_vulpes: eh, only of the untermenschen.

22:07:13 asciilifeform: mno

22:07:17 ben_vulpes: and truly stupid (sort of) monied.

22:07:24 asciilifeform: i personally knew a fella who wasn't the least bit 'unter' who got rolled up.

22:07:28 asciilifeform: RIP.

22:08:06 ben_vulpes: more of a tool of wives and mothers than the state and snitches though, isn't it?

22:08:06 asciilifeform: didja know that an engineer's spermatozoa cost 5x moar to raise to adulthood than a slum bunny's ?

22:08:09 asciilifeform: at least according to usg.

22:08:46 ben_vulpes: "manner to which she has become accustomed"

22:09:03 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's usg that garnishes the wages, and then cuts the cheques (minus a vig)

22:09:24 asciilifeform: so it is quite unlike a normal civil judgement in usa

22:09:32 ben_vulpes: if your wages are subject to garnishment you *are* unter.

22:09:44 *: asciilifeform adjusts arse broomstick

22:09:54 *: asciilifeform trims jets

22:10:01 ben_vulpes: yes, shielding assets is hard and not for everyone.

22:10:18 asciilifeform: as far as i'm concerned, it is something that is done by martians, on mars.

22:11:34 asciilifeform: phun phakt: it is, in effect, a criminal offense for a host of this particular type of parasite to become indigent

22:11:44 asciilifeform: pony up, or jail.

22:12:59 asciilifeform: incidentally, ben_vulpes ought to laugh while he can. my great-grandfather owned... a mill

22:13:09 asciilifeform: his 'wages' couldn't be garnished, either, or so he thought.

22:14:52 asciilifeform: ('collectivized', gulaged, drunk invalids took over, burned it down.)

22:16:34 asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is asleep, i will have to play him

22:16:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha!

22:16:48 asciilifeform: ... if everybody were a mongol warrior, no one could be dekulakized !

22:17:10 ben_vulpes: i am actually pondering approaches to collectivize the thing ahead of the horde.

22:17:11 asciilifeform: (except that there'd be nothing for these virile fellas to plunder. they'd be stuck fucking own cows)

22:17:26 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha that's precisely that he did

22:17:55 ben_vulpes: who became the new 'owners'?

22:17:58 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hired invalids from the war to run the mill, to 'collectivize ahead of the herd'

22:18:09 asciilifeform: they drunkenly burned it, and he answered for it.

22:18:23 asciilifeform: (or so goes the tale)

22:19:03 ben_vulpes: why'd he have to hire invalids?

22:19:28 asciilifeform: didn't ~have~ to

22:19:41 asciilifeform: but thought it would stave off the inevitable transfer to the 'deserving'

22:20:00 asciilifeform: complicated.

22:20:04 asciilifeform: but end result - same.

22:20:26 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-10-2015#1299464

22:20:26 assbot: Logged on 15-10-2015 15:54:26; mircea_popescu: tru to life too. "he tried to make the trains wear out the rail!"

22:21:51 ben_vulpes: sounds a lot like "don't work with people outside of your wot" to me.

22:22:23 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gotta understand, you can't appease mice, rats, lice.

22:22:34 asciilifeform: they want it all.

22:22:45 asciilifeform: ~especially~ whatever it is you haven't given up yet.

22:24:56 asciilifeform: not aiming to drive ben_vulpes to the bottle, so i'll not elaborate examples. but i think it is clear.

22:33:40 BingoBoingo: Moral of the story: At the point ben_vulpes feels compelled to hire louts to satisfy the empire of fee-fees he should burn the shop and move to Aztlan

22:34:43 *: ben_vulpes tempted to drink already.

22:35:45 BingoBoingo: From the derp mines http://dpaste.com/1WVATZ4.txt

22:35:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hlv6uL )

22:36:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at the risk of strengthening ben_vulpes's drink, must point out, that the disease is not likely to take this particular form

22:36:54 asciilifeform: usg's present direction is the one where the shop keeper is made to answer for various usgistic misfortunes suffered by his staff (e.g., 'obamacare')

22:37:04 BingoBoingo: Aha

22:39:54 BingoBoingo: So what you are saying is ben_vulpes is hitting the scotch tonight

22:40:54 asciilifeform: i'd recommend the bong, to better 's-a-incadrat-in-colectiv'

22:40:59 BingoBoingo: As answering these misfortunes might soon lower his future booze to "Country Club" vodka and Thunderbird

22:41:12 asciilifeform: (from mircea_popescu's http://fraudsters.com/cum-s-a-incadrat-in-colectiv )

22:41:13 assbot: Cum s-a incadrat in colectiv ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HlvJEE )

22:41:38 asciilifeform: вписатся в коллектив to those of us in east orcland

22:44:04 asciilifeform: in other lulz,

22:44:05 asciilifeform: http://fokus.dn.se/edward-snowden-english

22:44:05 assbot: Edward Snowden interview with Dagens Nyheter - DN Fokus ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hlw7mF )

22:44:28 BingoBoingo: I dunno that bong can quite relieve existential dread in the same way drink does

22:48:30 asciilifeform: 'In 2007, FBI agents carried out so-called morning raids at the homes of people who worked or had worked at the NSA, and had tried to blow the whistle on a mass surveillance program they felt had gotten out of control. One man was dragged out of the shower in his home, a gun to his head, in front of his family. Another man opened his door and soon had the house full of black-clad agents in Kevlar vests searching his home until

22:48:30 asciilifeform: late at night. The home of Thomas Drake, a senior executive at the NSA, was searched, his passport was cancelled and he lived under the threat of 35 years imprisonment for four years, prosecuted under the Espionage Act. He lost his job, his pension and spent everything he owned on his defense lawyer. Today he works at an Apple store in Maryland and has been able to establish that the only person, who was investigated and pros

22:48:31 asciilifeform: ecuted, after trying to talk to his superiors about the mass surveillance, was himself.'

22:48:35 asciilifeform: ^ lulzy and, iirc, factual.

22:52:03 BingoBoingo: interesting

22:53:10 ben_vulpes: bong amplifies existential dread

22:54:04 asciilifeform: 'A woman at the Intelligence Committee of the House of Representatives had her house raided by the FBI at six o?clock in the morning, because she?d asked questions about the program.'

22:56:09 asciilifeform: this is part of why it is difficult to take mr s seriously as anything other than a disinfo plant

22:56:29 asciilifeform: an actual man would be optimizing for greatest number of blackshirts dead asap, rather than censoring papers prior to release

22:57:16 asciilifeform: and wouldn't remain a u.s. subject

22:57:27 asciilifeform: (or what, they won't process his renunciation in moscow ?)

22:57:44 asciilifeform: not even a very good fake

22:57:57 asciilifeform: (a good fake would fake a renunciation so we wouldn't be asking this question)

22:58:50 asciilifeform: phakt: a ru citizen is not extraditable, his removal would be an act of war.

22:59:16 asciilifeform: actual sovereign coutriez, they sorta exist !

23:01:31 BingoBoingo: Well, to renounce he'd have to go to the embassy or consulate where he'd be subject to arrest

23:03:17 asciilifeform: can't renounce by mail ?

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23:03:44 asciilifeform: and technically you can rid yourself of u.s. citizenship in a few other ways

23:03:53 asciilifeform: (join a foreign army, take office, etc)

23:04:45 asciilifeform: blackshirts will still take shots at him given half a chance, but renouncing would be a gesture in line with the overall theme of the play

23:04:53 asciilifeform: the absence is conspicuous.

23:05:21 asciilifeform: fact is, mr s (or, if you prefer, the character he is playing) has emphatically ~not~ 'set the bozo bit' on usg.

23:05:39 BingoBoingo: can't renounce by mail, and the other ways still require US Dept State to recognize the invalidating act and bill Mr. S

23:05:41 asciilifeform: believes in 'socialism with a human face' or whatever it is called here and now.

23:06:32 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/09/us-increases-fee-to-relinquish-citizenship-and-residency/

23:06:33 assbot: US Increases Fee to Relinquish Citizenship and Residency | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXjEFd )

23:07:01 BingoBoingo: So yes, US requires "certifying" you did a citizenship disqualifying act

23:07:25 asciilifeform: it isn't as if the hit squad gives a damn whether 'citizen' or not

23:07:30 asciilifeform: but the ~symbol~.

23:08:44 asciilifeform: what are we to make of the derping re: 'returning to usa for fair trial' ?

23:08:50 BingoBoingo: Of course, but getting the symbol means delivering self to the hit squad

23:08:56 asciilifeform: no

23:09:19 asciilifeform: symbol would be, e.g., putting on a ru uniform and joining army

23:09:48 asciilifeform: and on microphone to say 'i hope i get to be the one to glass ft meade'

23:09:52 BingoBoingo: Ah

23:11:15 asciilifeform: and very much ~not~, e.g., screwing around with 'aclu' and whatever else was described in that rag.

23:12:57 BingoBoingo: Like Assange's refusal to enter shipping container as "diplomatic package"

23:13:16 asciilifeform: eh, how do you know where the container's going.

23:13:23 asciilifeform: enter, come out legs first.

23:13:57 BingoBoingo: Well, he'd have to hope for ecuador

23:14:13 mircea_popescu: lol increased yet again ?

23:14:42 mircea_popescu: incidentally : should we deedbot a version of the logs, in the manner of gpg source etc ?

23:14:46 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cia prolly pre-dug a hole in ec for him

23:15:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: (or hero's welcome, as you please)

23:15:17 BingoBoingo: What other hero's welcome is there?

23:15:39 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the kind where the mask comes off

23:16:40 BingoBoingo: Oh apparently torrent infrastructure Hearnia'd brb, writing up

23:17:12 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319358 << wait, isn't this a 100% solution to problems ? there is no rule you must address disk as "disk", it can just be ram.

23:17:12 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 21:16:04; asciilifeform: and apparently there are some bonus gizmos, like a ramdisk device, in there.

23:17:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: box has actual disk for a reason ?

23:17:45 mircea_popescu: fuck that. this works with ram only.

23:17:54 asciilifeform: a la my buildroot ?

23:17:56 mircea_popescu: yes.

23:18:04 mircea_popescu: exctly a la your buildroot.

23:18:10 jurov: bash flushed

23:20:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319367 << you don't understand how the revolution work.

23:20:13 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 21:28:31; ben_vulpes: http://fraudsters.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-october-2015-statement/#footnote_1_63841 "to survive" << i suppose if the thing can be said to survive while asciilifeform starves...

23:20:14 mircea_popescu: s.

23:21:23 asciilifeform: the way it works is,

23:21:37 asciilifeform: 'Не надо мне пощады,не надо мне награды, / а дайте мне винтовку и дайте мне коня... / А если я погибну,пусть красные отряды, / пусть красные отряды отплатят за меня.' (tm) (r) (mega-classic)

23:23:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319382 << i lolled.

23:23:19 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 21:34:16; asciilifeform: 'Avoid causing physical or mental harm other people in the course of your revolutionary activities. Becoming an oppressor yourself will not further the communist cause, and will only land you in jail!' << nice try capons

23:23:27 mircea_popescu: who are these schmucks ?

23:23:32 asciilifeform: wikipedos

23:23:34 asciilifeform: or whoever.

23:27:05 mircea_popescu: they're like.... annoying 50s housefrau. "do whatever you will but don't go naked!111"

23:27:15 mircea_popescu: yeah right. aren't you due at some perm salon or something ?

23:34:36 asciilifeform: approx.,

23:34:52 asciilifeform: 'no need have i of mercy, / no need have i of laurels, / but let me have a rifle, / and let me have a horse, / and if i chance to perish, / let my red platoonmates, / let my red platoonmates,/ make'em pay, of course.'

23:35:23 mircea_popescu: aha.

23:37:05 asciilifeform: s/pay'em back/make'em pay

23:37:32 asciilifeform: or rather the reverse

23:38:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319399 << or anywhere else.

23:38:54 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 22:04:24; ben_vulpes: "when it comes to children, the us /is/ worse than russia."

23:39:11 mircea_popescu: in general, if you aim to raise children it's a bad idea to pick the nation of idiots.

23:40:59 ben_vulpes: oh, now we like to compete in crowded markets?

23:41:56 mircea_popescu: no ?

23:42:09 mircea_popescu: children don't compete. that's the thing with childhood,

23:42:17 mircea_popescu: and why communism is the ideology of the retarded.

23:44:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2015#1319415 << the obvious solution is obvious.

23:44:57 assbot: Logged on 07-11-2015 22:08:46; ben_vulpes: "manner to which she has become accustomed"

23:45:14 asciilifeform: let's have the coordinates of the shangri-la without idiots

23:45:45 mircea_popescu: no, that's not it. "you want kids, you live with the niggers. that's where the kids factory is. i commute to mine, you commute to yours."

23:46:04 mircea_popescu: that way the manner she's accustomed will be correctly calibrated.

23:46:23 mircea_popescu: it's unhealthy to raise kids in YOUR means anyway. especially daughters, but in general.

23:46:26 mircea_popescu: let them earn their own.

23:46:47 asciilifeform: imperial ru army

23:46:55 asciilifeform: (but they didn't do daughters)

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23:47:22 mircea_popescu: it's the manner in the civilised world (aka "eastern europe" in some sources). i suppose i should fish for this.

23:47:51 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/old-texts-on-traditional-marriage-vampirism-and-gayety/

23:47:52 assbot: Old texts on traditional marriage ; vampirism and gayety. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhKgnE )

23:48:21 mircea_popescu: kyra kyralina does hold some valuable etnofolkloric information.

23:48:39 mircea_popescu: "Let me tell you a little of "traditional marriage". The traditional marriage of the Greekxiii works like so : the married woman, and her children, keep house in the castle. The married man, with his apprentices, keeps a workshop somewhere in the workshop quarters, outside the walls. He has an older woman there who cooks, because the apprentices are entitled to be fed by the master. The man visits the woman occasionall

23:48:40 mircea_popescu: y, to beat her, to fuck her, to talk to her. Depending on how close they are, and marriages go through phases anyway. Some husbands may sleep with the woman, some may sleep at the workshop, some may alternate. And marriages go through phases anyway. The woman may not visit her husband. The kids do not generally get to, except boys of sufficient age, if the father even likes them at all. Which isn't that much of a given

23:48:40 mircea_popescu: . Girls in no case do." of interest here.

23:49:09 asciilifeform: hey my colleagues almost run this way

23:49:19 mircea_popescu: this is how the world works, africans and their huts notwithstanding.

23:49:20 asciilifeform: i don't think anybody cancelled this.

23:49:21 mircea_popescu: how the fuck else.

23:49:30 asciilifeform: (minus the old woman)

23:49:44 mircea_popescu: from the chuka to the somali pirates, everyone.

23:53:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw it explains the unpopularity of 'telecommute' scheme in usa

23:53:42 mircea_popescu: aha.

23:53:45 asciilifeform: nobody pays working schmucks enough to keep two huts

23:53:51 asciilifeform: and they'd have to

23:53:56 mircea_popescu: as tlp wel lpoints out, it's not that "work" invades the home. is that you need the blinker for existential support.

23:54:06 mircea_popescu: or as george points out, "you take tv out of this relationship, it is just murder"

23:54:28 mircea_popescu: but hey, "mancave", right ?

23:54:30 asciilifeform: or don't marry faceless broad

23:54:45 mircea_popescu: why the fuck isn't it "cuntpit" i wanna know.

23:54:57 asciilifeform: they don't build pits, only colonize ?

23:55:07 asciilifeform: like cuckoo ?

23:58:00 mircea_popescu: eh no they don't.

23:59:28 asciilifeform: anyway the whole pit/cave system never quite made sense to me