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Transcript for 08-01-2016, 1119 lines:

00:00:03 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell Dava fix your connection wouldja

00:00:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:05:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362326 << aaalmost ready

00:05:40 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 13:24:03; mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform can i has nsa letter ?

00:09:05 diametric: evening asciilifeform

00:09:09 asciilifeform: diametric !

00:10:00 pete_dushenski: http://www.thelocal.se/20150703/cashless-society-faces-backlash-from-losers

00:10:01 assbot: Cashless society faces backlash from losers - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1S72N7b )

00:10:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362491 << this has gotta be a gag

00:10:43 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 19:17:29; jurov: "One valve is mounted on each spermatic duct and disrupts the flow of sperm cells when closed. The user is then sterile, can wear the Bimek SLV for a life time and regulate it himself with just a flip of a switch."

00:10:48 asciilifeform: switch ?!!

00:12:37 asciilifeform: and even not considering this absurdity, you would have same problem as vasectomy patient (the sperm gets reabsorbed and your immune system begins to generate antibodies against it. with bonus measurable extra risk of alzheimer's)

00:13:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362521 >>> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000185.html <<< if you're interested

00:13:30 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 22:06:13; pete_dushenski: though, obviously since it's "0.5.4", bitnodes.io claims utter ignorance of tevye's existence

00:13:31 assbot: [BTC-dev] Programmable Version Strings. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdvdyY )

00:14:06 pete_dushenski: aha. will look into that (eventually)

00:14:13 pete_dushenski: it's on my radar

00:14:14 asciilifeform: just drop it in your 'v'

00:14:17 asciilifeform: and rebuild

00:14:20 asciilifeform: supposing it matters

00:14:39 pete_dushenski: myeah, at 35 connections now. all is well.

00:14:48 asciilifeform: (it makes no practical difference, the patch is cosmetic and i won't be surprised if it is not considered for inclusion in a release)

00:15:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362559 << for fuckssake, why??!!

00:15:14 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 22:49:53; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361807 << i had mega-fun with this when playing around with a sql schema for the blockchain

00:16:02 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362563 << it is provably impossible in the general case, which (i think) everybody knows. but did ben_vulpes miss the ada threads ? you can do it for particular programs. just, the usefulness is questionable imho.

00:16:02 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 22:52:35; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1361890 << heh you crapping these turds out entertains me no end given how long and loudly you've yelled in the past about the impossibility of it

00:16:58 asciilifeform: 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (tm) (r)

00:18:23 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362452 << quite how the reich would like north kr to 'put down the nuke'

00:18:23 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 17:15:59; punkman: "The simple message Mr. Bundy and his band must hear is this: If everyone with a gripe against the government responded by threatening federal officials with weapons, America would no longer be a nation governed by the rule of law. Their grievances, like everyone else’s, can be addressed. But not before they put down the guns."

00:18:36 asciilifeform: ... so that it can be serbia'd

00:18:55 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362269 <--> "Chevy Bolt to start at $37,500 before rebates"

00:18:55 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 06:37:20; BingoBoingo: ^ Tesla's over

00:19:16 pete_dushenski: tesla is still zil, bolt is now trabant. there's room for both.

00:19:41 asciilifeform: kinda funny how americans laughed in '50s-'60s re: soviet cars costing a year of pay of average labourer there

00:20:01 asciilifeform: whereas now...

00:20:08 pete_dushenski: how the tables have turned

00:21:23 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362496 << there ISN'T such a thing, not one that doesn't fuck you up in readily-detectable (litigable !!111) ways.

00:21:23 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 19:25:43; *: BingoBoingo sure Big Child Support Industry is only reason effective male birth control is not available otc in pharmacies

00:22:03 asciilifeform: ovulation comes with a ready off switch - spermatogenesis does not.

00:22:27 pete_dushenski: from same fishwrap as 'cashless' piece, http://www.thelocal.se/20160105/she-had-to-put-her-horse-down-ate-the-meat

00:22:28 assbot: Swedish racer defends eating own dead horse - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1S73LjL )

00:23:09 asciilifeform: and yes, in cn they tested gossypol. iirc the effect is neither satisfyingly effective nor satisfyingly reversible (how'd ya like that?)

00:24:28 *: pete_dushenski off

00:24:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362614 << somebody wake up kakobrekla !1111

00:24:49 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:22:27; pete_dushenski: from same fishwrap as 'cashless' piece, http://www.thelocal.se/20160105/she-had-to-put-her-horse-down-ate-the-meat

00:28:30 asciilifeform: http://www.thelocal.se/20160107/more-swedes-than-ever-are-moving-abroad << ever so precious, the usgrasty

00:28:31 assbot: More Swedes than ever are moving abroad - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0D0Ww )

00:28:42 asciilifeform: 'However according to Solevid, there has been little detailed research on the specific reasons Swedes seek new lives abroad. "There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," she said, adding that her team intended to investigate the issue.'

00:28:45 asciilifeform: ahahahaha

00:28:53 asciilifeform: MEGA-MYSTERY!1111

00:29:04 asciilifeform: who could possibly guess why they move.

00:29:23 asciilifeform: mendacious fucktards.

00:30:56 asciilifeform: (iirc, swedes - just like finns - who move to thailand, not only escape 'allah snackbar', but pay 0 tax, and can come back for socialist pension, health, etc. whenever they like...)

00:32:45 mircea_popescu: hahaha. and if "america" whatever that is would no longer be a populace opressed by "the rule of law", everyone'd be very happy and could put down their weapons.

00:33:02 mircea_popescu: so how abo0ut the simple message whatever anon politruk needs to hear is, "go fucking hang, we won't need weapons anymore"

00:33:22 mircea_popescu: any chance of that ? everyone employed by usg commits suicide over the weekend, usher paradise on earth ?

00:33:25 mircea_popescu: do your fucking part, eh!

00:33:26 asciilifeform: will work about as well as it did for nestor mahno.

00:34:27 asciilifeform: also picture standing in front of the nuremberg rally and telling ss 'go all hang!111'

00:34:35 mircea_popescu: "addressed" pshhhh.

00:34:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these schmucks ain't got the balls for no rallies.

00:35:24 asciilifeform: mega-empires, their standing armies, and demented fuhrers don't hang automagically

00:35:41 asciilifeform: somebody has to clean'em up.

00:35:57 mircea_popescu: "There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," << nordic system is a great system, provided you only ask the people who stay behind.

00:36:02 mircea_popescu: by this measure, africa is also a great place to live.

00:36:23 asciilifeform: actually it's also beautiful if you ask the folks who moved to thailand.

00:36:29 asciilifeform: while collecting their phreeeeeeeee

00:37:50 mircea_popescu: hey, every idiocy is beautiful for as long as you're not paying for it.

00:37:54 mircea_popescu: hence, modern "art".

00:38:12 mircea_popescu: everyone's idea of lol except for the poor schmuck paying for his artistique daughter's abortions.

00:38:30 asciilifeform: has anybody aborted straight to the canvas yet ??

00:38:40 asciilifeform: or is that menstrual chick still state-of-the-art

00:39:12 mircea_popescu: it is a screaming testament to how dullard the chicks are that this hath not occured to them yet.

00:39:25 mircea_popescu: nicely mirroring the okcupid-no-bash debacle.

00:40:00 asciilifeform: aha!

00:40:05 asciilifeform: but NOW they can!111

00:40:20 mircea_popescu: can only helps the guy with a can opener.

00:40:46 asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BujQQsDCAAAk6GG.png:large << as in this classic

00:40:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S757Lt )

00:41:25 mircea_popescu: why the fuck did they blackbar her teats.

00:41:27 mircea_popescu: idiots.

00:41:39 asciilifeform: no idea. iirc there is an uncensored shot somewhere

00:41:48 asciilifeform: (taken by one of many hundreds of people who watched)

00:42:22 mircea_popescu: nitwitty seamstresses. "oh, i put a fig leaf on david". well... hopefully vlad the impaler puts a little something up your tightest hole.

00:42:58 asciilifeform: countdown to 'edgy' art supply shops selling canvas-and-mifepristone-pill kit !111

00:44:21 mircea_popescu: it boggles my mind that they're using all the weird shit when rivanol irrigation'd do the trick just fine.

00:45:08 deedbot-: [fraudsters] MiniGame (S.MG), December 2015 Statement - http://fraudsters.com/2016/minigame-smg-december-2015-statement/

00:45:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hard to 'DIY' with foley catheter

00:46:22 mircea_popescu: way the fuck safer and cleanner than anything 3rd party'd do.

00:46:42 asciilifeform: cleaner than pill ?

00:46:44 mircea_popescu: the african country of the us has a lulzy history of "we no got acridine we jump off table on knife hiar"

00:46:48 mircea_popescu: yes.

00:46:53 mircea_popescu: pill is a mess.

00:48:03 asciilifeform: at any rate, the shittier the shitland, the more preoccupied the rulers are with conscripting people to make people

00:48:17 asciilifeform: so BingoBoingo wasn't entirely wrong

00:51:36 mircea_popescu: in other news, that mifepristone reminds me a lot of diethylstilbestrol (anyone know the story of this particular thaliomidoid ?). romania uses levonorgestrel almost exclusively.

00:52:01 asciilifeform: also in usa, iirc.

00:52:04 *: mircea_popescu used to keep a notable stash, mostly because the whole army of sluts/students/tramps and assorted vagabonds didn't trust themselves with it.

00:52:12 asciilifeform: wai wut

00:52:18 asciilifeform: how's that

00:52:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i didn't think the usa even had anything.

00:52:47 asciilifeform: levonorgestrel is sold by, possibly, the pound, in every pharmacy here.

00:53:01 asciilifeform: and why wouldn't they trust themselves with it

00:53:35 mircea_popescu: cuz no fixed domicile ?

00:53:45 asciilifeform: ah hm

00:53:56 mircea_popescu: i suppose in a sense i offered wallet services o.O

00:56:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but no longer keep stash ?

00:56:34 mircea_popescu: notrly.

00:56:56 asciilifeform: how come ?

00:57:14 mircea_popescu: not really entertaining random tramps so much anymoar.

00:57:19 mircea_popescu: age gets to us all.

01:08:57 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362521 << No version string testing?

01:08:57 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 22:06:13; pete_dushenski: though, obviously since it's "0.5.4", bitnodes.io claims utter ignorance of tevye's existence

01:10:46 mircea_popescu: "I liked fraudsters better when it had a paywall (and I couldn't read it for lack of fraudsters credits)."

01:10:55 mircea_popescu: especially funny seeing how the only way to not have credits was to... read it.

01:11:09 asciilifeform: l0lz!

01:11:12 asciilifeform: where was this

01:12:12 mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zqeqy/the_intellectual_culling_of_gavin_andresen/

01:12:13 assbot: The intellectual culling of Gavin Andresen. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1MWtfs9 )

01:14:33 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski What qntra not authorative enough to publish truefax confirmed in multiple outlets?

01:14:33 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:18:33 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362613 << It sure does and the answer is the same, more hormones. Plenty of androgens including plain old testosterone will shut down spermatagenesis by shutting down the HPTA axis and silencing leydig cells.

01:18:33 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:22:03; asciilifeform: ovulation comes with a ready off switch - spermatogenesis does not.

01:20:22 mircea_popescu: taking more testosterone is not unlike adding more nitrocelulose to your gasoline.

01:20:32 mircea_popescu: it makes the car be sporty-er you say ?

01:20:46 BingoBoingo: Sure, but for birth control, works.

01:20:53 mircea_popescu: so does hanging.

01:21:36 BingoBoingo: But you can't reverse hanging with a 4 week course of breast cancer drugs

01:22:00 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i remember the enchanted time of the 80s when gasoline shortages and rationing + the universal theft of "accomplished socialism" meant all the workers at the paints factory ran their cars on stolen raw toluene.

01:22:08 mircea_popescu: imagine that lulz if you will.

01:22:56 BingoBoingo: This is a beautiful imagining

01:26:50 mircea_popescu: (in fairness, it was the fuel of choice of f1 engines in the 80s, but it really is much too high octane to use in shitty ro-made engines of the era. not to mention carcinogenic)

01:27:57 BingoBoingo: Here they've been bouncing up and down the percentage of fun nitrogen compounds available in racing fuel for the past decade or two

01:29:40 *: mircea_popescu vaguely remembers a prototype to use toluene as nuclear plant coolant, too. imagine the fun of that!

01:31:17 BingoBoingo: Of all the ways that could go wrong, I wonder if there's some small, but existing chance that could make the big detonation

01:31:34 mircea_popescu: imagine the lulz of your coolant blowing up lol

01:31:49 BingoBoingo: 4Real

01:32:08 mircea_popescu: "we no longer have a coolant line." "because hydrogen explosion ?" "no, that's why we no longer have a roof. but that came after the coolant blew the line up."

01:32:27 BingoBoingo: And if some material is critical in the right way while the coolant blows up in just the right way...

01:33:03 mircea_popescu: pretty much everything goes critical once coolant goes away in an unplanned manner.

01:33:26 mircea_popescu: experiments in japan and other places are relevantg.

01:34:45 *: BingoBoingo just imagines as unfortunate reactor housing shape providing lensing as this happens

01:52:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: approximately as likely as taking a king-sized shit forming critical mass

01:52:35 BingoBoingo: Obviously you've never eaten at Chipotle

01:57:06 thestringpuller: Chipotle is delicious even if it requires chipotle-away.

01:57:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 2853 @ 0.00035095 = 1.0013 BTC [+]

02:09:43 BingoBoingo: From the WaPo-iverse: "25 things that offended me at the movie theater in 2015"

02:16:26 thestringpuller: This new simpsons episode is so brilliant.

02:18:57 thestringpuller: Mild satire on "women in coding" subject.

02:19:58 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/2Y32REP

02:19:59 assbot: dpaste: 2Y32REP ... ( http://bit.ly/1mGF5lu )

02:19:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:21:01 mircea_popescu: coolty

02:24:18 mircea_popescu: ;;ud hbu

02:24:19 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hbu | meaning H.ow B.out Y.ou usully replying to a persons comment/mssg. jon:what are you doing?? shawn:im just listening to music shawn:hbu?? jon:im also listeni  ...

02:44:57 BingoBoingo: !t s.bbet

02:44:57 assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.

02:45:04 BingoBoingo: !t m s.bbet

02:45:04 assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00012004 / 0.00013 (2400 shares, 0.29 BTC)

02:55:49 asciilifeform: http://deskthority.net/photos-f62/univac-f-1355-00-t6489.html << and some vintage strange.

02:55:50 assbot: [Photos] Univac F-1355-00 • deskthority ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdMOZq )

02:56:37 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03VaAW9NZq4 << same

02:56:38 assbot: Univac F-1355-00 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdMWbh )

03:05:31 deedbot-: [Qntra] Deputy Arrested For Dropbox Child Porn - http://qntra.net/2016/01/deputy-arrested-for-dropbox-child-porn/

03:05:32 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FboPe34UqZw << this fella has a number of interesting pieces

03:05:33 assbot: Teletype 40K 104 DAB - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdO3ru )

03:06:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7473 @ 0.0004918 = 3.6752 BTC [-] {2}

03:08:45 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDi-UXUo8E << holy fuq.

03:08:46 assbot: HP 5375A Keyboard - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdOqlO )

03:18:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00049433 = 5.0916 BTC [+] {2}

03:24:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no, i have never done any work with theorem provers.

03:25:08 asciilifeform: hm.

03:25:13 ben_vulpes: why d'you ask?

03:25:28 asciilifeform: thought you might have, at $rupturefarmz

03:25:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00049434 = 4.5232 BTC [+]

03:26:46 ben_vulpes: no sir

03:27:57 ben_vulpes: generally speaking i am but a mere technician; can follow proofs and understand their implications for bolt patterns and circuit design, but more interested in...bolting things together and making circuits than proving novelty.

03:39:55 asciilifeform: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45879.msg963299#msg963299 << lulzy. i took this photo in.. '07??

03:39:57 assbot: [IC] ALPS ansi key cap set (07-25 update) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rnap5M )

03:40:22 asciilifeform: can't even recall where i posted it.

03:43:03 punkman: mircea_popescu: why the fuck did they blackbar her teats. << here she is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318167

03:43:04 assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 04:50:52; punkman: http://cdn-parismatch.ladmedia.fr/var/news/storage/images/paris-match/actu/societe/les-instantanes-de-l-ete-798202/les-instantanes-de-l-ete/8440444-1-fre-FR/Les-instantanes-de-l-ete.jpg (the egg lady, nice tits eh)

03:51:43 punkman: so I woke up and my irc monitor was dead, any obvious things to look at when I open it up?

03:56:08 BingoBoingo: !up madhatter_

03:56:29 BingoBoingo: punkman: Have you tried new thermal grease?

03:57:02 punkman: BingoBoingo: where, up my arse?

03:57:14 BingoBoingo: Much safer than flashing and refilling the vacuum in the cathode ray tube

03:57:21 BingoBoingo: Where else?

03:57:49 BingoBoingo: Conspiracy https://i.imgur.com/3bNozC0.jpg

03:57:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OezU2U )

03:58:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00049434 = 2.5706 BTC [+]

03:59:00 punkman: those don't look plus-size

04:01:14 punkman: or do the fatties think "I look just like those Dove girls"

04:01:36 BingoBoingo: The later. Much denial

04:01:52 punkman: for reference http://www.visiblemeasures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Dove-Real-Beauty-Campaign.jpg

04:01:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeAcH2 )

04:11:10 ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.h#0449 << i'm 12 and what is this?

04:11:11 assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/util.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1S7nY9a )

04:14:58 punkman: ben_vulpes: some kind of aslr? I think we had a thread about it, but can't find it now

04:17:54 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-10-2015#1309556 << heh

04:17:55 assbot: Logged on 28-10-2015 00:47:01; mats: this is the 'we know where the bugs _may_ hide, what locks _may_ have master key, so layer accordingly' defense. and often, variations of aslr are involved, despite how you feel about 'if they're in you've got bigger problems anyways'

04:19:45 phf: ben_vulpes: you call that thing like void foo(args) { IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK(foo(args)); ...}, static makes nLoops shared, so the logic is, you set it to some random value between 1 and 21 and then recurse down that many times, "randomizing" the stack

04:20:43 ben_vulpes: but but why

04:21:35 ben_vulpes: so this gathering nausea in the pit of my stomach when i read through implement_randomize_stack is perhaps an intuitive clue

04:22:50 punkman: can be removed easily

04:24:12 phf: they randomize all the stacks that are exposed to the network

04:24:50 phf: so in case you get a stack overflow in the exposed code, doing a shellbuffer return becomes mildly trickier

04:26:01 ben_vulpes: why would do people use programming languages that do this?

04:26:13 ben_vulpes: aaa

04:27:46 punkman: I remember reading that gcc might optimize that away too

04:30:20 phf: maybe? gcc does TCO, but the code does foo(); return; rather then return foo(); so who knows..

04:42:13 punkman: from the comparative music studies department, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY5S9cBfh3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVjRyxjTaHM

04:42:14 assbot: Wolf Biermann - Die hab' ich satt - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT1xha )

04:42:15 assbot: Τους έχω βαρεθεί - Μαρία Δημητριάδη (dmariet) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT1vpG )

04:43:04 punkman: Und sagt mir mal: Wozu ist gut Die ganze Bürokratenbrut?

05:04:32 punkman: https://medium.com/@casey_rosengren/paypal-froze-our-funds-then-offered-us-a-business-loan-49a078310fb

05:04:33 assbot: Paypal froze our funds, then offered us a business loan — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT41wh )

05:05:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00048995 = 4.1401 BTC [-] {5}

05:18:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00049433 = 4.9433 BTC [+] {2}

05:32:39 copypaste: mircea_popescu: do you enjoy argentina?

05:32:49 copypaste: i want another passport

05:45:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00048974 = 2.4977 BTC [-] {2}

06:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00049433 = 6.2533 BTC [+] {2}

06:43:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2164 @ 0.00049434 = 1.0698 BTC [+]

09:08:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2791 @ 0.00049434 = 1.3797 BTC [+]

10:05:37 punkman: https://twitter.com/UNLibrary/status/682550730717290496 heh

10:37:47 adlai: another arsonist! https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/spv-mining-is-the-solution-not-the-problem/

10:37:48 assbot: “SPV mining” is the solution, not the problem | Bitslog ... ( http://bit.ly/1JywhIi )

10:42:58 shinohai: daf uq?

10:43:35 shinohai: Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain.

10:47:57 adlai: it's actually not a tweet, there's an entire article following the title

11:16:09 mircea_popescu: copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa.

11:16:36 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the people are idiots on an african level, and on the whole on their own strength on the open market not worth the price of a decent burial.

11:16:51 mircea_popescu: this, from what i hear, should be no change from the fillipines.

11:17:10 copypaste: i want to renounce my passport before the USG goes under because such event, which i think will happen in my lifetime, will make me stateless

11:17:20 copypaste: but you can't renounce your US citizenship before acquiring another one

11:17:36 mircea_popescu: so then it's perfect for you.

11:17:52 copypaste: the USG is already so bankrupt that it stopped adding passport pages, you have to pay them for a whole new passport

11:18:02 copypaste: they also are not issuing passports if they think you owe them money

11:18:20 copypaste: source https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/news/visa-pages-no-longer-issued.html

11:18:22 assbot: Extra Visa Pages no Longer Issued Effective January 1, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJesXy )

11:18:42 copypaste: and source http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/20/pf/taxes/taxes-passport/

11:18:43 assbot: Overdue taxes? You could lose your U.S. passport - Nov. 20, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJeu1o )

11:18:53 mircea_popescu: iirc that was discussed in the logs

11:19:07 mircea_popescu: been on for a while. (and was predicted a year or two before it happened, also in the log)

11:20:03 copypaste: the thing about the pages is what surprises me...

11:20:23 copypaste: they say that it's to follow "international standards" and to make the passport more "secure"

11:20:33 mircea_popescu: ya well.

11:20:33 copypaste: i fail to see how it increases security at all

11:20:40 mircea_popescu: i'm romanian, i never gave a shit.

11:20:58 copypaste: Romania, now that's a good passport

11:21:17 mircea_popescu: yeah. lulziest case of the hare and the turtle ever. all my life that i can remember romanians thought it's the worst

11:21:26 mircea_popescu: then it turned out... one of the better that exist.

11:21:47 copypaste: the Philippine passport is one of the worst

11:22:05 mircea_popescu: i imagine.

11:22:09 copypaste: you get visa free access to some countries in Africa, its neighbors in Asia (but not any of the actually important ones - like China or Japan), and some south american countries

11:22:11 copypaste: and that's all

11:22:19 mircea_popescu: british is prolly the worst, largest selection of people who hate them

11:22:37 copypaste: eh, i would say that the US passport is by far the worst

11:22:45 copypaste: when people ask which country i am from anad they are strangers, I say Canada

11:22:49 copypaste: simply to avoid any confrontation

11:23:38 mircea_popescu: lol funny thing : while i was in costa rica i was considering going to new zealand. went to british consulate that handled the whole slew of dominions, woman told me i need a visa. was all wtf'd, wrote to the ro exterior minister at the time (young guy from my party) going wtf. the VERY NEXT DAY it was announced the visa requirement was mutually dropped.

11:23:42 copypaste: it was one of the better ones before they made these new rules

11:23:48 mircea_popescu: a week latter the letter arrived, and he was like... bwhahahahaha.

11:24:25 copypaste: haha

11:24:50 copypaste: New Zealand seems nice, but how they treat Kim Dotcom will show their true colors

11:24:59 mircea_popescu: eh it's bullshit. this was before the earthquake.

11:25:01 copypaste: Now Australia on the other hand, fuck that entire continent

11:25:10 mircea_popescu: and before the japan stove incident.

11:25:24 copypaste: hehe

11:25:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0004915 = 4.0303 BTC [-] {3}

11:25:56 copypaste: have you ever seen "The Terminal", with Tom Hanks?

11:26:09 mircea_popescu: mnop

11:26:32 copypaste: well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year

11:26:48 copypaste: i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under

11:27:25 mircea_popescu: lol prescience.

11:27:32 copypaste: except instead of just letting potentially thousands of people stick around in an airport, they'll just be loaded in a cargo plane and dumped over whatever remains of the midwest :p

11:27:52 copypaste: so, i would like to acquire another citizenship before that happens :D

11:28:05 mircea_popescu: experience shows that it never pays to wait to be shat on by the corporate fiction that supposedly owns you.

11:28:20 mircea_popescu: it behooves one to be part of the group that stabs the thing to death and drinks its blood.

11:29:34 mircea_popescu: much much better to be, if not one of odovacer's men, at least any of the other "barbarian"'s retinue than to hang out with the so-called "count" bracilla at ravenna.

11:35:17 mircea_popescu: in the daily okcupid lulz installment, http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/say-shit.png

11:35:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJfNgZ )

11:35:29 copypaste: lol

11:35:33 mircea_popescu: kako's humour is infectious!

11:58:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362790 << mega-l0l!!

11:58:13 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 05:04:32; punkman: https://medium.com/@casey_rosengren/paypal-froze-our-funds-then-offered-us-a-business-loan-49a078310fb

11:58:44 asciilifeform: 'To paraphrase: ?It may seem weird that we?re holding collateral on your account and offering you a loan, but that was not a mistake! You?re still eligible. Contact me if interested.?'

11:59:17 asciilifeform: coming soon to a nato bank near you!!11

12:00:01 asciilifeform: 'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.'

12:00:41 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362801 << ahahaha

12:00:41 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 10:37:47; adlai: another arsonist! https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/spv-mining-is-the-solution-not-the-problem/

12:00:47 asciilifeform: 'Is was Wednesday, March 26, 2014. It was a cold winter outside, but not inside an old building of the Princeton university campus. The room, full of people, was warm. I was standing in front of some of the brightest minds in Bitcoin: Andresen, Bonneau, Eyal, Maxwell, Miller, G?n Sirer, Szabo, Todd and Zooko, to name only a few. My talk was about ?SPV Mining?...'

12:01:00 asciilifeform: srsly, szabo was there ?

12:01:11 asciilifeform: sad.

12:01:32 asciilifeform: IS WAS sad.

12:01:42 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.' << this is how any serious mob works, really.

12:01:49 asciilifeform: no shit

12:01:58 mircea_popescu: can't sell "your" barber shop, but yah you can have a little money to "see you through a rough spot"

12:02:01 mircea_popescu: vig y compris.

12:02:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i used to like szabo a lot more. but omfg, then i read some of his stuff.

12:02:40 asciilifeform: aha!

12:02:43 mircea_popescu: iirc one piece even in the log.

12:02:58 asciilifeform: i can easily believe that he has descended into... this

12:03:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire.

12:03:10 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 11:18:42; copypaste: and source http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/20/pf/taxes/taxes-passport/

12:03:49 copypaste: asciilifeform: what in your opinion is the real problem?

12:03:52 *: asciilifeform for example has a passport, fat lot of good it does

12:04:26 asciilifeform: copypaste: same thing as in africa. the poverty, of every kind, that leads to no other port being in any hurry to invite you in

12:04:39 shinohai: https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/685398977924206592 <<< kek

12:05:21 copypaste: https://twitter.com/DTHI_Demitrios/status/685426021521321984 < actually not a bad idea

12:06:19 asciilifeform: copypaste: mega-bureaucracies don't really give much of a fuck whether their public site stays up, they fall down routinely. and at this point are all 'cloudflared' anyway.

12:06:47 copypaste: thus, using the MX record

12:06:51 copypaste: you can't "cloudflare" your email server

12:07:02 copypaste: as far as i know, at least

12:07:15 asciilifeform: these folks don't do much emailing outside of the grounds

12:07:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362773 << aslr is not the correct term (it refers to os-level address space randomization)

12:07:53 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 04:14:58; punkman: ben_vulpes: some kind of aslr? I think we had a thread about it, but can't find it now

12:08:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362776 << correct. it is a 'mats-style' fudge

12:08:13 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 04:19:45; phf: ben_vulpes: you call that thing like void foo(args) { IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK(foo(args)); ...}, static makes nLoops shared, so the logic is, you set it to some random value between 1 and 21 and then recurse down that many times, "randomizing" the stack

12:08:16 asciilifeform: 'mitigation'.

12:08:40 asciilifeform: 'let's throw broken bottles around everywhere, enemy might trip on one !'

12:09:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362806 << srsly?

12:09:07 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 11:16:09; mircea_popescu: copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa.

12:09:22 asciilifeform: that ~mircea_popescu~ can get one 'for a few grand', i can readily believe

12:09:31 asciilifeform: he can probably get a nuke for a couple grand.

12:09:39 asciilifeform: but can a human ?

12:09:46 copypaste: haha, indeed

12:10:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the record, you're talking to a guy with an actual record of up-and-getting-out

12:10:01 copypaste: the requirement on the books for an Argentine passport is 2 years residency

12:10:08 copypaste: quite a low residency requirement, copared to other countries

12:10:14 mircea_popescu: you should prolly spend more time asking questions than sprouting sententiousness.

12:10:17 asciilifeform: copypaste: yeah that's what i thought

12:10:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was a question. can ~i~ walk in with a few $k and get it.

12:10:42 mircea_popescu: yes.

12:10:44 asciilifeform: like buying milk.

12:10:50 copypaste: compared to Philippines, where the requirement is 10; unless you get married (Philippines has no divorce, only country other than Vatican City with no divorce laws on the books, or even in Congress)

12:10:55 mircea_popescu: no, not like buying milk.

12:10:57 copypaste: if you're married the requirement is 5

12:11:12 mircea_popescu: copypaste argentina has no abortion.

12:11:18 copypaste: neither does Philippines

12:11:25 copypaste: no abortion or divorce :D

12:11:28 mircea_popescu: fortunately uruguay is right there.

12:11:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha! you said 'not like buying milk'

12:11:53 asciilifeform: this means peopleskillz, no??11

12:12:03 mircea_popescu: were you fishing for a nail to hang your explanation on ?

12:12:13 mircea_popescu: no dude. it means hiring a lawyer.

12:12:28 asciilifeform: ah ok

12:12:30 mircea_popescu: you don't buy new teeth like buying milk, either.

12:12:33 mircea_popescu: gotta hire a dentist.

12:12:43 copypaste: now this is true

12:12:45 asciilifeform: ah so it is like in usa, but with a couplea zeros shaved off the price

12:12:49 copypaste: in the third world a lawyer can make miracles happen

12:12:54 mircea_popescu: a coupla couples.

12:12:58 asciilifeform: neato

12:13:07 copypaste: lawyers typically know exactly who to bribe, saving you the trouble of finding out yourself

12:13:17 copypaste: (and perhaps bribing the only autist in the country, thereby landing yourself in jail)

12:13:31 mircea_popescu: more or less. in this case it's mostly because you probably don't speak spanish to a level acceptable in court.

12:13:54 copypaste: i come close

12:14:03 mircea_popescu: then you mgiht diy.

12:15:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362849 << this did not happen with sov citizens. normally there is some bantustan which is in an immediate hurry to lay claim to the fragments of the old empire

12:15:12 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:48; copypaste: i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under

12:15:22 asciilifeform: whether the bantustan passport does you any good, is separate question

12:15:32 asciilifeform: but it is actually possible not to end up with one

12:15:40 asciilifeform: i, for instance, never got a ru passport.

12:15:57 copypaste: so you have a soviet passport only ?

12:16:06 asciilifeform: not even. children didn't get passports.

12:16:18 copypaste: so you've never left russia then?

12:16:23 asciilifeform: left.

12:16:27 copypaste: how?

12:16:33 asciilifeform: with parents.

12:16:39 asciilifeform: is how this worked.

12:17:18 copypaste: i see.

12:17:33 copypaste: in USA, you are required to even get passports for your kids

12:17:36 copypaste: even if they are infants

12:17:41 copypaste: otherwise, they cannot come with you

12:17:46 asciilifeform: in usa passport is a travel document

12:18:08 copypaste: sure

12:18:28 asciilifeform: in su - was identifying document that, with some extra verbiage stamped on, doubled as travel passport

12:18:42 copypaste: actually, once i got mine i started using it as an identification document, which would lead to weird looks

12:18:50 copypaste: due to the main ID document in USA being a driver's license

12:18:54 copypaste: but due to my disability, i do not drive

12:19:13 copypaste: you can get a "non drivers driver license" (real name), but the line was so long and i already had a passport

12:19:13 asciilifeform: folks who do not drive in usa typically get issued peculiar non-driving driver's license

12:19:14 asciilifeform: (yes)

12:19:25 asciilifeform: it is stamped 'not valid for driving' or the like

12:19:30 copypaste: yes, i happened to have recieved the passport before the other one

12:19:33 copypaste: so i just never got the other one

12:19:39 copypaste: since the passport sufficed, even at banks

12:20:11 copypaste: i haven't been in the USA since 2014 though

12:20:16 asciilifeform: phun phakt, most folks in usaschwitz have no passport.

12:20:19 asciilifeform: they don't need it.

12:20:23 asciilifeform: (where to go? and why?)

12:20:37 copypaste: well, the world is much larger than the USA

12:20:44 copypaste: to get a job, just to travel, plenty of reasons

12:20:55 asciilifeform: l0l! job?! would ~you~ employ such a person ?

12:20:58 asciilifeform: to do what ?

12:21:02 copypaste: i got mine to meet an online friend i'd had since i was a small child

12:21:28 *: asciilifeform bbl, off to the mines

12:21:37 copypaste: typically, doctors, engineers, and so on

12:22:16 copypaste: no need to hire the lowest common denominator in the US, but there are plenty (well, some) intellectuals perhaps worth hiring

12:26:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00048974 = 1.5672 BTC [-] {2}

12:36:28 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> they don't need it. << yes but the problem is in their head.

12:40:13 mircea_popescu: !up kristapsk

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12:55:16 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX73jDVU0AA4l4R.jpg:large << the reason pimps use main bitches is that no thing on god's earth is or ever could be as hard on a cocksucker as another cocksucker just like her.

12:55:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1THEj1O )

12:59:11 punkman: copypaste: you can't "cloudflare" your email server << half the startups point their mx to gmail

13:00:05 punkman: asciilifeform: srsly, szabo was there ? << I'm surprised how many szabos have joined the blockchain-tards

13:00:13 mircea_popescu: yup. that's the idea there.

13:00:18 mircea_popescu: all mail must be gmail.

13:00:39 punkman: even Koblitz joined Ethereum

13:00:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362766 << they're plus size MODELS. not plus size women. like saying this is a very tall ant. no, it doesn't mean it's a two meter tall ant.

13:00:56 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 03:59:00; punkman: those don't look plus-size

13:01:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos.

13:01:40 mircea_popescu: i doubt the notion went away.

13:02:12 mircea_popescu: heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed.

13:03:19 punkman: plus-size to me means so big you have to go to the one special plus-size clothes store, because nobody else has enough fabric to cover your ass.

13:03:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362804 << or they could just go back to paypal, which is exactly what that is.

13:03:43 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 10:43:35; shinohai: Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain.

13:04:18 mircea_popescu: yes, but when i hire women to be women, as opposed to do any actual job, i have strict standards. hence the "over 180 cm tall, exactly 19 bmi, etc"

13:04:23 mircea_popescu: the standards may vary, but rarely.

13:05:52 mircea_popescu: and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns.

13:06:26 mircea_popescu: i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available

13:06:39 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?

13:06:51 mircea_popescu: o look, slimfast. lol.

13:15:53 punkman: mircea_popescu: and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns. << I bet there's a lot more than those

13:18:09 punkman: https://www.unilever.com/brands/?page=7&Category=408118 << 7 pages * 16 brands = 112

13:18:10 assbot: Brands | Unilever global company website ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeVj6s )

13:21:20 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/vAUirGP.jpg <<< Bitcoin lottery xD

13:21:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeVQpc )

13:30:11 punkman: http://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/48779

13:30:13 assbot: Declassified documents concerning Tony Blair · Clinton Digital Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeXeYR )

13:31:20 punkman: shinohai, what was that qr code?

13:33:56 shinohai: probably someone's addy, I didnt scan it\

14:18:17 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362921 << an /argentine/ lawyer?

14:18:17 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 12:12:13; mircea_popescu: no dude. it means hiring a lawyer.

14:23:47 ben_vulpes: !up ascii_butugychag

14:23:51 ben_vulpes: good morning

14:24:03 ascii_butugychag: guten morgen herr vulpes

14:24:14 ben_vulpes: und dich, stas

14:24:34 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362989 << this is an ancient evil. see aol 'keywords' and similar

14:24:34 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:01:34; mircea_popescu: anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos.

14:25:41 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362974 << l0l, you would hire an american doctor if you had a choice? or engineer ?

14:25:41 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 12:21:37; copypaste: typically, doctors, engineers, and so on

14:26:22 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362985 << non-gmail (and non-microshit, etc.) has been more or less exterminated

14:26:22 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:00:18; mircea_popescu: all mail must be gmail.

14:26:24 copypaste: i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them

14:26:35 copypaste: so if they had to choose between a filipino doctor, or american doctor, they'd go for the american

14:26:46 ascii_butugychag: (some of the larger megacorps still run own mail, but along more or less same principles as gmail)

14:26:53 copypaste: that's also why many cognoscenti here all studied abroad

14:26:56 copypaste: it's "worth" more

14:27:00 ascii_butugychag: copypaste: this plague is ubiquitous in the 'orc' world

14:27:15 ascii_butugychag: problem is that their notion of 'american' comes from 1980s vhs tapes

14:27:21 ascii_butugychag: (as mine did)

14:27:30 copypaste: indeed

14:27:47 copypaste: i'm not saying their beliefs are accurate, but inaccurate beliefs held dearly still affect their actions

14:27:56 ascii_butugychag: actual americans are similar to filiponos but with fewer life skills and less resilient to stressors

14:28:01 ascii_butugychag: *filipinos

14:28:50 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362998 << the ersatz tea is ubiquitous here

14:28:50 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:26; mircea_popescu: i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available

14:28:57 ascii_butugychag: just barely drinkable

14:29:07 ascii_butugychag: sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea

14:29:44 copypaste: also ascii_butugychag, you moved the goalposts. the CIA and FBI don't use gmail, and that's who we were talking about as far as A records are concerned

14:29:51 copypaste: it's true that most emails are internal, but surely they aren't all

14:29:57 copypaste: for example, FBI agent asking NSA for a record

14:30:04 copypaste: NSA asking FBI if he wants to go to a BBQ

14:30:11 ascii_butugychag: copypaste: it will happen over siprnet or the like

14:30:17 copypaste: i'm sure they'd notice quickly if fbi.gov mail went down

14:30:18 ascii_butugychag: not over ddosnet

14:30:37 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362848 <<< didn't this actually happen too?

14:30:37 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:32; copypaste: well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year

14:30:48 copypaste: yes davout, based on a true story

14:30:50 ascii_butugychag: copypaste: usg has own 'wan'

14:31:00 ascii_butugychag: that is, iirc, largely carried over dedicated wires

14:31:01 copypaste: ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting

14:32:38 ascii_butugychag: but sure, the clerks also have 'human' email

14:32:42 ascii_butugychag: typically runs on microshit.

14:35:25 ben_vulpes: infuckingvariably.

14:35:46 ben_vulpes: hospitals idem

14:36:30 ben_vulpes: hallmark of tentacle-entites is blue text in html emails.

14:36:35 davout: " Alfred Mehran », est un réfugié iranien qui a vécu dans le terminal 1 de l'aéroport Roissy-Charles de Gaulle du 8 août 1988 jusqu'en août 2006 (soit 18 ans)1, date à laquelle il a été hospitalisé pour une cause inconnue."

14:36:49 davout: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri <<< the true story

14:36:49 assbot: Mehran Karimi Nasseri — Wikipédia ... ( http://bit.ly/1kSlpcC )

14:37:12 ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362991 << hey, nintendo doesn't expose filesystem either! and nobody seems to complain...

14:37:12 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:02:12; mircea_popescu: heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed.

14:38:13 ben_vulpes: god bless coredata

14:38:38 ben_vulpes: because i really wanted a shitty wrapper around shitqlite

14:39:46 punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.

14:47:44 shinohai: I feel your shipping frustrations punkman, I made an order from a guy on 12/27 he marked my order shipped then told me yesterday he had logistics issues and didn't.

14:50:35 punkman: shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping

14:51:11 shinohai: ikr I paid the extra $12 in BTC for priority too :/

14:52:06 shinohai: I could have ordered the shit from some seedy Chinese person and already have gotten it here.

14:53:10 davout: punkman: get your fucking pilot's license

14:53:35 davout: (which is an entirely different thing than pilot fucking license mind you)

14:53:42 kakobrekla: well i sent two packs of condoms to thailand about 2 weeks ago, arrived in ~3 days, from eu.

14:53:59 davout: lolwut

14:54:07 shinohai: Where to kakobrekla, phuket ?

14:54:50 kakobrekla: to Chiang mai

14:54:51 punkman: in other shipping mysteries, I ordered some widget from China in August I think, there was a non-working tracking no., 45 days later I ask merchant what's up with it, says they were actually out of stock at time of order, didn't even ship it and they won't be getting any more stock from factory. Couple days ago, I get a notice from post office with that tracking no.

14:55:42 kakobrekla: a friend went there for a few months and they dont have condoms that would fit him there

14:55:47 punkman: lol

14:55:49 davout: lol

14:56:03 punkman: only two packs though?

14:56:19 kakobrekla: two ten packs yeah.

15:02:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4806 @ 0.00049078 = 2.3587 BTC [+]

15:04:57 jurov: i never actually saw chinese post tracking site working

15:06:20 jurov: at most i get chinese message that yields (via google translator) "currently not available"

15:09:35 punkman: at best you get a date when the thing left china, and it usually shows up on local post office tracking too

15:10:59 mircea_popescu: <copypaste> i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them <<< this happens to also be right.

15:11:12 punkman: also they often ship through other countries like hong-kong, so you might get better results going to one of those 3rd party tracking sites that check many companies at once

15:11:25 copypaste: mircea_popescu: let me qualify that further, americans

15:11:49 mircea_popescu: heh. yeah, vhs tapes.

15:11:58 copypaste: because i'm ill, i go to doctors a lot. it's cheap in the third world, and they write me prescriptions for things that are hard to get in the US. so anyway, i always go see chinese doctors.

15:12:10 copypaste: there are american doctors which see foreigners, and also filipinos who studied in america

15:12:16 copypaste: but i prefer seeing chinese doctors.

15:12:21 jurov: copypaste: if you have hungarian ancestors, you can get their passport, too

15:12:29 copypaste: i have ukranian ancestors

15:12:30 mircea_popescu: chinese the new jew huh

15:12:53 jurov: copypaste: the part that was former "large hungary" counts, too

15:13:08 jurov: hungarians are funny as that

15:13:13 copypaste: oh wow

15:13:23 mircea_popescu: lol. hungarians are what, 60% living abroad by now ?

15:13:30 copypaste: part of hungary is in ukraine

15:13:33 mircea_popescu: copypaste wouldn't advise it tho, highest suicide rate outside of japan.

15:13:50 copypaste: (the old hungary at least)

15:14:08 copypaste: i'll think about it. i bet my mother has proof of her mother's USSR citizenship

15:14:13 copypaste: (ukraine)

15:14:36 copypaste: and if it's in the area of greater hungary, that would be an awesome, free way to get a passport :D

15:14:52 punkman: we don't have foreign doctors here, but people are prejudice against doctors that have foreign medical degrees from Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania, Italy and others.

15:15:28 jurov: !v ascii_butugychag

15:15:28 assbot: Invalid verfication string.

15:15:34 jurov: !up ascii_butugychag

15:15:38 mircea_popescu: that's ridiculous. romania is way better for medicine than pretty much everything else in that part of the world.

15:15:42 mircea_popescu: france, germany etc y compris.

15:15:54 ascii_butugychag: jurov: afaik you still have to live there for a while, to get ukr passport

15:16:00 mircea_popescu: meanwhile i have yet to meet a greek professional who wasn't a) actually jewish and b) abroad.

15:16:18 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag there's worse ways to pass the time than with the sluts of budapest.

15:16:34 ascii_butugychag: was thinking of .ua

15:16:46 mircea_popescu: why ua ? he's not trying to get ork citizensheep

15:16:57 jurov: ascii_butugychag: i only know it was targeted to hu minorities that never lived in any version of hu

15:17:10 ascii_butugychag: ah i misread

15:17:12 ascii_butugychag: l0l

15:17:18 mircea_popescu: <ascii_butugychag> sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea << quite exactly lol! i wonder if this is actually what they were shooting for.

15:17:43 ascii_butugychag: i dare say it was

15:17:52 ascii_butugychag: just like american 'non-fat milk'

15:17:55 copypaste: hmm

15:17:56 mircea_popescu: <copypaste> ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting << eh he's making shit up. usg doesn't have own pot to piss in.

15:18:01 ascii_butugychag: is exactly like what you get when you wash a bottle from normal milk

15:18:03 copypaste: how hard is it to fake being a jew?

15:18:12 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: siprnet et al exist

15:18:13 mircea_popescu: heck, the tanks the us army "deploys" are all rentals.

15:18:16 copypaste: maybe i really am one, i could have a jewish ancestor

15:18:20 copypaste: i could get an israeli passport

15:18:23 copypaste: wouldn't that be fun

15:18:30 copypaste: i should research my family tree

15:18:46 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: runs over, iirc, sprint's infrastructure (earlier, classical at&t)

15:19:18 mircea_popescu: punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D

15:19:21 ascii_butugychag: i would like to live in the parallel universe mircea_popescu is posting from

15:19:27 ascii_butugychag: where american tanks are rentals

15:19:51 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag they get repossessed more often than rent-a-cars!

15:20:32 *: ascii_butugychag recalls the german division which operated wholly sov tanks

15:20:33 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> to Chiang mai <<< doing his part to stop global... warming.

15:20:52 thestringpuller: So rumor has it. Bitpay can't get another round of funding with current leadership.

15:21:10 thestringpuller: Although the VC's won't publicly condemn the leadership.

15:21:15 mircea_popescu: to no-one's surprise that's been following the discussion here.

15:21:49 ascii_butugychag: has mit covered the shortfall yet ?

15:21:56 mircea_popescu: heh.

15:21:59 ascii_butugychag: or will it be stanford this time? princeyaleton?

15:22:23 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the usg works. they ain't got a pot to piss in, and consequently won't be actually coverin gany shortfalls. all they got is a whole lot of pretense based on a whole lot of puffery.

15:22:39 mircea_popescu: so if you're willing to not ask for the shortfall be covered, they're willing to blabla MIT !1 bla bla bla around you.

15:22:43 mircea_popescu: that's as far as that goes.

15:22:50 mircea_popescu: much like the junior high fuck club.

15:22:52 *: ascii_butugychag sadly knows how usg works

15:23:02 punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D << probably gonna be worse in the places I'd like to live at next

15:23:06 mircea_popescu: you don't get any cunt, but you do get to hang out with a bunch of obnoxious teens who act as if you did.

15:23:40 ascii_butugychag: usg has, like or not, plenty of money to throw around. i have seen the golden toilets.

15:23:54 ascii_butugychag: not every single clerk is sitting on them, true

15:24:50 mircea_popescu: pfff.

15:25:10 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2015#989302 << blast from teh pasts!

15:25:10 assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 16:53:36; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo now that pair is actually trying to resurect bitcoin magazine again, a blow by blow history of exactly how bitpay & the scam foundation stole that magazine from its owners a coupla years ago would be quite topical. the forum's got a pile of posts, see vladimir's stuff, maybe even interview him.

15:26:34 ascii_butugychag: i finally realized, though, where mircea_popescu gets his odd notions of usg life

15:26:39 ascii_butugychag: he talks to the chix

15:26:48 mircea_popescu: quite.

15:26:51 ascii_butugychag: who, yes, live in the cube farmz.

15:26:54 mircea_popescu: i fuck their daughters, trophy wives et all.

15:26:56 mircea_popescu: mno.

15:27:31 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: thought you might have, at $rupturefarmz << Funny how Oddworld is the first result when put 'Rupture Farms' into google

15:27:39 ascii_butugychag: 'trophy wife' implies brass ?

15:27:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#974421 since we're doing blastfrompastism

15:27:40 assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 17:37:34; mircea_popescu: there's a ton of bitpay exceptionalism / captn of industry-ism flooding out of reddit. in point of fact, bitpay is a struggling start-up that missed the boat.

15:28:57 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag well... yeah, it does.

15:31:12 thestringpuller: ;;google rupture farms

15:31:14 gribble: Rupture Farms - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rupture-Farms/187904211240564; Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty - Rupture Farms Speed Run Walkthrough ...: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsebfE9ePKo; Oddworld Abe's Oddysee Rupture Farms Intro PS1 - YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRoyc2LKRg

15:31:25 thestringpuller: google you suck

15:32:11 ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: no this is correct

15:32:19 ascii_butugychag: it is from that piece

15:32:47 ascii_butugychag: 'they say it's the biggest meat processing plant on oddworld....'

15:36:28 ascii_butugychag: in other nyooz, 'It looks like lxr.linux.no has closed without notice some time during the first half of 2014. Whether there is a backup of LXRng is unknown.'

15:37:20 mircea_popescu: heh

15:48:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2865 @ 0.00049161 = 1.4085 BTC [+] {2}

16:00:26 punkman: https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=lxrng plenty of em

16:00:27 assbot: Search · lxrng · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1n83XT9 )

16:01:01 deedbot-: [fraudsters] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement - http://fraudsters.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/

16:01:43 ben_vulpes: here's one for pete to rip apart: http://www.byclintedwards.com/2016/01/my-son-wants-to-make-money-my-daughter-wants-to-marry-a-rich-prince-heres-the-problem-2.html/

16:01:47 assbot: My son wants to make money. My daughter wants to marry a rich prince. Here’s the problem. | No Idea What I'm Doing: A Daddy Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1n84dl4 )

16:29:02 deedbot-: [fraudsters] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://fraudsters.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/

16:29:10 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362999 << Unilever collects brands once owned by dying businesses for the supermarket shelf space.

16:29:10 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?

16:30:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah a sort of iab for fmcg, i know.

16:31:24 BingoBoingo: It's just amazing the way the typical supermarket makes more money selling shelf space than it does selling... products.

16:31:24 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:31:48 BingoBoingo: Because who wants to be a shopkeep when you can be a landlord

16:32:18 mircea_popescu: kinda how the world works. typical strip club makes more money selling titshelf space than it does selling booze

16:32:19 mircea_popescu: etc.

16:32:25 thestringpuller: https://github.com/ZoomT/bitcoin/commit/a87d5ab2c703c524428197df53607c2235c417f3#diff-7ec3c68a81efff79b6ca22ac1f1eabbaR3101 << so if the block is empty, what's the point? miners can just mine empty transactions pushing all other data to another data structure without breaking anything?

16:33:26 mircea_popescu: the march of "civilisation". replace things with the fetish of things, items with tokens "representing" items and so on.

16:33:35 mircea_popescu: the road to perdition is paved with ever increased abstractions.

16:38:22 mircea_popescu: ;;ud bsw

16:38:23 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bsw | Saw a BSW walking downtown but didn't stop, thought LE was nearby. ... BSW. Bitch Slut Whore; Someone who is annoying in many different ways; Nickname.

16:39:05 thestringpuller: Hmmm. So node would broadcast tx and would never see it confirm...that's broken behavior imo.

16:42:26 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << In southern IL UPS is the worst. Mega UPS hubs in Chicago means packages routinely bounce between CAHS and World Port before ending up in Danville before coming anywhere near St Louis.

16:42:26 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.

16:49:02 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363181 <<< ooooh the plot thickens!

16:49:02 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 16:29:02; deedbot-: [fraudsters] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://fraudsters.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/

16:49:14 mircea_popescu: heh.

16:49:42 mircea_popescu: http://91.218.246.33/ for the record :D

16:49:43 assbot: fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8cy8n )

16:50:20 adlai: thestringpuller:i'd rather have miners publishing empty blocks instead of confirming nickle-fee TXs, than have them blindly hand over what little power they do have to some random plutocracy

16:50:31 shinohai: Might this grow into a protracted battle?

16:50:46 mircea_popescu: i really don't see how.

16:51:40 mircea_popescu: afaik a registrar has the authority to do exactly nothing. that said, i suppose they may try to steal the domain. not like similar stuff hasn't happened in the past (anyone recall the sex.com saga ?)

16:54:14 BingoBoingo: In other news revamped my desk's noise generators. Instead of ~150 CFM of external fan, ~11 CFM is now producing adequate noise to cool machine.

16:54:52 mircea_popescu: lol adequate noise to coll machine.

16:56:07 BingoBoingo: Turns out better thermal grease actually does make a big difference

16:57:05 mircea_popescu: it does.

16:59:22 thestringpuller: adlai: i'd rather not have to choose between multiple bowls of shit for dinner.

16:59:52 BingoBoingo: Couldn't use the stuff with silver because surface mounted stuff on chip not covered by metal cap. Still about 10C cooler than yesterday.

17:01:06 thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag

17:01:38 ascii_butugychag: some lulz re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2016#1362006 :

17:01:38 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 01:38:57; mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes.

17:01:48 ascii_butugychag: https://trac.macports.org/ticket/49149

17:01:50 assbot: #49149 (Current install of qt4-mac 4.8.7_2 fails to install qmake) – MacPorts ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8dREc )

17:02:09 kakobrekla: some if not most silver thermal pastes dont actually conduct electricity

17:02:15 ascii_butugychag: 'It does install qmake, just not where it was installed before. ..... This change was made to allow parallel install of qt4 and qt5 (and, possible, other qt# variations). If you're having issues with other ports that depend on qt4-mac, please open a ticket for each and/or list them here & we will work hard to get them fixed promptly.

17:02:17 mircea_popescu: ^

17:02:27 ascii_butugychag: '... We knew this change would break other ports, but given that there are some 100 ports that depend on qt4-mac, we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding.'

17:02:29 mircea_popescu: i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything

17:02:41 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: what do you suppose a resistor is made of ?

17:02:49 mircea_popescu: ceramics ?

17:03:07 ascii_butugychag: take the paste, take ohmmeter, see

17:03:16 ascii_butugychag: doesn't so much matter that it is a paste.

17:03:42 mircea_popescu: by this theory a good way to make a window is by mixing diamonds in the concrete.

17:05:12 ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: if you're looking for something to do with those old mac laptops, openbsd 5.8 runs like a dream on 'em

17:05:36 ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: this is not an old laptop

17:05:41 ascii_butugychag: this is butugychag laptop.

17:06:17 mircea_popescu: bluish hue ?

17:06:24 ascii_butugychag: and if your 'runs like a dream' doesn't include motherfucking suspend mode, i'm not interested

17:07:26 kakobrekla: what ascii is saying, take water and measure conductivity while gradually adding salts, but silver pastes are [mostly] safe in this user case

17:07:33 kakobrekla: distilled water that is.

17:07:56 mircea_popescu: and what if i take distilled water and add silver shavings ?

17:08:36 ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: i'll check in on zzz and ZZZ, ascii_butugychag

17:08:42 kakobrekla: they will sink :)

17:08:53 mircea_popescu: " we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding." << what the fuck are we understanding ? that the kids don't belong anywhere near a computer, off to the farm ?

17:09:05 ascii_butugychag: zzz?

17:09:14 adlai: thestringpuller: "you eat [bowls] of shit for [dinner]?"

17:09:27 ben_vulpes: bsd suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk iiuc

17:09:56 linton_s_dawson: oleganza discusses a way to attack non-upgrading nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqhbc8

17:09:58 assbot: oleganza comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8fbqE )

17:09:58 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally does your desktop do "suspend mode" ? if not why not ?

17:10:12 mircea_popescu: linton_s_dawson funny that all the poorfags are so preoccupied with THIS nowadays, huh.

17:10:14 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: desktop doesn't go in motherfucking briefcase

17:10:17 ben_vulpes: also, this machine is not suited to be a portable anymore.

17:10:32 *: adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3"

17:10:37 ben_vulpes: aged, delicate, valuable. should be treated as such.

17:10:49 *: ben_vulpes will be acquiring more vintage hardware in this vein

17:10:52 adlai: (it deals with wtf "hard" and "soft" forking means, which most derps seem to assume they understand)

17:11:11 ascii_butugychag: and if the windows don't go back to their places when different sets of monitors are unplugged and re-plugged, also not interested

17:11:29 ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: sounds like a problem for your window manager

17:11:41 ben_vulpes: x11 wms do this better than os x does.

17:11:48 ascii_butugychag: and i'm not interested in spending ANOTHER MOTHERFUCKING SIX MONTHS fighting the graphics card driver

17:12:02 ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: on WHICH portable gpu ?

17:12:12 ascii_butugychag: does x11 run worth SHIT

17:12:21 ben_vulpes: i doubt it's leveraging the gpu at all

17:12:51 ben_vulpes: listen, i just want a machine that's not running os x with the hardware quality build of the golden-era macintosh laptops.

17:13:14 ben_vulpes: if that means working in terminals or not using any chrome in x11, so be it.

17:13:15 ascii_butugychag: keep in mind, if there aren't at least 2880 pixels horizontally, i'm not interested.

17:13:25 ascii_butugychag: and i can't maths in a terminal.

17:13:52 mircea_popescu: i can maths in my sleep!

17:14:24 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything << Apparently with silver colloid a concern is possibility of becoming capacitive after cooking long enough. Silver is always a special case because grand chamption conductor

17:14:27 ascii_butugychag: go generate 10,000 node flow graph in your sleep, thx

17:14:36 mircea_popescu: i suppose.

17:14:57 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag that's not math that's kandinsky.

17:15:00 ben_vulpes: anyways, your penchant for finding what is wrong with anything aside, openbsd happily supplants os x on mac hardware. for those willing to endure some pain to get away from the shitgnomes, and who have not been obsessively tending a gentoo installation since 1999.

17:15:10 ascii_butugychag: 'some pain'

17:15:24 ascii_butugychag: as in, NOTHING which i actually ~need~ on the job, works

17:15:24 ben_vulpes: life is suffering.

17:15:29 ascii_butugychag: but that's ok, broomstick, aha?

17:15:40 ben_vulpes: either under the reign of steve or others.

17:15:47 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo but you dont smear it over the whole cpu do you ? an also you can just tape over any elect conducting parts, no?

17:15:49 ben_vulpes: this is not a machine for $work

17:16:14 ascii_butugychag: i get paid to make xyz happen. and the budget makes provisions for shooting, say, up to six rabid weasels. BUT NOT 6,666,666.

17:17:38 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone can conceive of any reason NOT to have an apple-microsoft merger ?

17:17:57 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: same reason today as in 1997

17:18:04 ascii_butugychag: ceremonial antitrust

17:18:08 ascii_butugychag: (ditto intel & amd)

17:18:21 ascii_butugychag: also each relies on the good-cop/bad-cop symbiosis

17:18:22 mircea_popescu: i bet you i could justify 100mn in bonuses for myself + 1-2bn in consulting fees for everyone involved doing a hp-compaq deal out of these two

17:18:51 mircea_popescu: then some dumb broad could preside over it to get all the social media femitards hot and bothered

17:18:59 mircea_popescu: and then... welll... ibm is still arouind, right ?

17:19:05 ascii_butugychag: would you also try to merge... the products ?

17:19:08 ascii_butugychag: because wtf

17:19:12 mircea_popescu: what products ?

17:19:20 mircea_popescu: ms always wanted a phone, apple always wanted an os.

17:19:23 mircea_popescu: it's automerged.

17:19:26 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I did the make a dot and let the heatsink smash it into place thing. There is a tape shim that goes over rest of CPU already, but old paste found its way under there before I removed it.

17:19:53 ascii_butugychag: 'apple always wanted an os' -- is mircea_popescu posting from 1995 ?

17:19:59 ascii_butugychag: dafuq

17:20:02 mircea_popescu: eh spare me. they don't have an os.

17:20:18 mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.

17:20:48 adlai: mircea_popescu: "illusion of choice" aka pretty much the only talent that .il still encourages youngsters to hone... salesmanship

17:21:09 mircea_popescu: pfff. nobody actively makes that choice anymore. it's like encouraging the choice of stick vs nonstick driving.

17:21:10 mircea_popescu: forget it.

17:21:45 mircea_popescu: the people who run "whatever i just want to" and the people who "fuck you, drop dead" are the only remaining division, and in this context the two staying unmerged is nonsensical.

17:21:54 *: adlai knows at least one person who graduated from not-choosing to linux, and that's one-too-many for moloch

17:22:01 BingoBoingo: * adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3" << Make a blog point this out. If ben_vulpes can blog so can you.

17:22:56 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he's still recovering from the castrating influence of bad parenting, doesn't quite feel at ease rubbing loser's nose in their own shit.

17:22:57 adlai: the trouble with a blog is that it rapidly fills up with your own bullshit. people get so sick of my bullshit at ~100x dilution, in here; imagine how bad it'd get in my own garden

17:23:18 mircea_popescu: for all you know chicks will read it and fill your inbox with written tits.

17:23:22 mircea_popescu: happened to me.

17:23:32 BingoBoingo: adlai: But shitting in your own garden is actually beneficial. The plants like it.

17:24:42 BingoBoingo: adlai: Anyways wouldn't writing a simple CL blogotron for your own use be a welcome sanity break from the scalplsd

17:25:28 adlai: in other phamily-related news, my lispm arbitrage has failed, due to usg-sponsor eagerness to sponsor as much as possible... but therein lies the arb, and anybody who does sponsor usg (or have family who do) is welcome and encouraged to pursue this further

17:26:04 adlai: in case the signal was too noisy right there: buying a working lisp machine, and donating it to a museum (of which there are several in the DC area), will get you a nice tax break

17:26:36 adlai: ofc you (or the other end of your arbitrage) need to already be paying usg taxes, but there are a bunch of people who do

17:26:50 mircea_popescu: kinda how all museums were built.

17:27:27 kakobrekla: i dont really see the point in the 'working' part

17:27:44 kakobrekla: it not like they will be turning it on and it will stop working over time with noone to fix it around

17:27:57 adlai: BingoBoingo: cl blogotrons exist, these days my blog-time is spent 'auditing' coleslaw vs hyde. scalpl, otoh, is pretty much one of a kind; cf ascii_butugychag on professional vs plebescite tooling...

17:28:03 mircea_popescu: he has a point.

17:28:22 adlai: mircea_popescu lacks an unambiguous antecedent

17:28:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla

17:29:22 ascii_butugychag: adlai: this is a sad joke, the machine's value is more or less ENTIRELY in the fact that it WORKS

17:29:29 adlai: so break it on the way over, i don't care! but all else aside, it's more educational to the budding usg-arsonist if they can play with a working doodad

17:29:36 ascii_butugychag: non-working but identically-appearing boxes are much cheaper

17:29:39 ascii_butugychag: and more common.

17:29:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag from his pov, the value of the machine is entirely in "what you paidf for it"

17:29:44 adlai: ... and what ascii_butugychag just said.

17:29:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00048974 = 6.0238 BTC [-]

17:30:10 ascii_butugychag: my point is that museum can get it considerably cheaper.

17:30:15 adlai: mircea_popescu: you do need to get the museum to agree that your donation was worth anything

17:30:25 ascii_butugychag: and 'what i paid for it' is almost NOTHING

17:30:34 ascii_butugychag: so fuck that.

17:31:01 *: adlai failed his arbitrage on this basis - usg-sponsor doesn't want to engage museum(s) in negotiation, but maybe $alertLurker does

17:31:10 mircea_popescu: adlai notrly. as long as they take it, it's not their job to value it for fiscality.

17:31:55 adlai: you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation

17:32:05 adlai: you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation

17:32:11 adlai: !up ascii_butugychag

17:32:45 ascii_butugychag: adlai is correct

17:33:48 *: adlai is also drunk, late for dinner, overleveraged on hopium, etc etc... bbl

17:34:26 adlai: but please, this is applicable to ANY USG TAXPAYER in the audience. 3btc = nice tax break!

17:34:47 adlai: all you need is somebody to drive the thing to a museum and negotiate a little

17:34:58 adlai: (not necessarily in that order)

17:35:10 mircea_popescu: the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does.

17:35:48 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does. << Actually in USia receipts are given by museums/charities for donations

17:36:01 mircea_popescu: yes. on the basis of the provenance documents.

17:36:23 mircea_popescu: "this vase so and so was donated to us by x who bought it at an auction held by sootheby's valuying it at 4mn".

17:36:27 BingoBoingo: With discrepancy between seller and charity receipts grounds for IRSape

17:37:22 ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu is correct. otherwise you could set up faux 'museum' and 'donate' junk 'worth' millions.

17:37:57 ascii_butugychag: and just about any serious deviation from your social stature in the spirit of 'peasant doesn't get to own a rembrandt, wtf' will attract auditors very, very quickly in usa.

17:38:18 ascii_butugychag: usg knows very well who has any business writing off serious sums and who does not.

17:40:28 *: adlai hopes that at least one other lurker [knows somebody who] will blink more than once at a 3btc tax deduction

17:41:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00048974 = 2.1793 BTC [-]

17:41:08 mircea_popescu: adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something.

17:41:13 mircea_popescu: the death of the middle, eh.

17:41:34 adlai: the beautiful thing about the btcfiat market is that it means different things for different people

17:42:04 *: adlai has paid well over current market price for btc... what if those are the btc that ascii would've got?

17:42:24 mircea_popescu: and i'm not even going to pester alf about making another one for 2016 expiry. truth be told i'm rather pleasantly impressed with how s.nsa work is coming along of late.

17:43:24 *: adlai has yet to read latest statement; also, yet to leave pub for dinner date; also, yet to order bill, due to israeli ineptitude at peripheral vision/hearing...

17:56:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00048914 = 21.2776 BTC [-] {6}

18:08:47 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

18:08:53 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.42, vol: 11668.75813234 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.926, vol: 5929.14361 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 447.21, vol: 35551.82749648 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 0.03058214 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.084204, vol: 75315.69070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 137.1533411 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 449.41875, vol: 61.48157177 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

18:09:01 BingoBoingo: ;;more

18:09:01 gribble: 449.844245608

18:17:28 phf: i've noticed that arab lipton yellow label is much better then lipton you get at a general store in u.s. i've made turkish tea for myself with arab lipton in a pinch, but twice i was in a situation where i was brewing tea for random people, so i bought drug store lipton and no matter what i tried doing with it, it just was not drinkable.

18:23:39 BingoBoingo: That sign https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYNxPROWEAEbZIm.jpg

18:23:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXyiZu )

18:23:49 punkman: I buy a couple bags of loose leaf once a year and forget about it

18:35:05 phf: i go through 3-4 kg of tea a year

18:38:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00049048 = 1.5695 BTC [+]

18:52:11 mircea_popescu: samovar and all ?

18:53:05 mircea_popescu: i myself am the absolute worst : i rarely drink tea, but i only drink good tea. makes it practically impossible to drink my own. so, i usually tea per the charity of friends.

18:55:55 phf: i have a wood samovar, but i only use it on camping trings. no, i use iranian method, put a porcelain teapot on top of the kettle

18:56:01 phf: *trips

18:57:00 phf: http://www.fengshuidana.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/securedownload_insert.jpg

18:57:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLkXya )

18:59:14 mircea_popescu: o.O

18:59:32 mircea_popescu: so basically you have... a half specified, unstable implementation of a samovar\

18:59:36 mircea_popescu: they can't be that expensive ?

19:00:06 mircea_popescu: i mean i can't justify paying a few grand for one on the grounds of the two cups a year i drink, but you're paying more for the tea as it is.

19:00:09 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: your friends import tea/grow it themselves?

19:00:16 phf: it's mostly the variety and availability. i can combine various kettles/teapots and get a decent result

19:00:41 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not afaik, but you know... the man without an oscilloscope goes and visits alf's house whenever he needs one.

19:01:35 thestringpuller: i thought alf would be like seinfeld episode there. "You gonna return it without cheese-y fingerprints over it?"

19:02:09 mircea_popescu: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/samovar << actually apparently you can get one for almost nothing

19:02:11 assbot: Samovar: Collectibles | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLlyQp )

19:02:20 mircea_popescu: "Russian Soviet SAMOVAR 3L there are violations of nickel hull see photos. A fantastic collectors item! Regards !!"

19:02:32 mircea_popescu: who knew russkis were such fans of violations.

19:03:26 phf: well wood samovars are out for home use, electric ones i think are mostly gimmicks, i mean i might as well have a trained bear at home

19:04:13 mircea_popescu: afaik samovars were in fact used at the table. iirc even in the us you can get smokeless charcoal delivered

19:05:53 phf: hmm, that's actually worth a try. you still need to heat up the teapot though, so it goes on top of samovar, which means that whatever you burn is going to change the flavor of tea

19:06:46 phf: so fully depends on how smokeless that charcoal actually is, and those that i saw used for grilling tend to produce a nasty chemical miasma

19:07:33 mircea_popescu: of course the us is pretty huge on the whole bbq thing. i can attest i had charcoal-made pulled pork and other such stuff and was wunderbar.

19:07:58 mircea_popescu: phf you mean used by random idiot ? ever been to one of their competitive bbq-offs things ?

19:08:50 mircea_popescu: in other news, "Sexy women dress wholesale, customize fashion lady dress FOB Price: US $15 - 25 / Piece Port: HUANG PU PORT Min. Order: 300 Piece/Pieces"

19:08:56 phf: i'm not surprised that that's a thing, but that sounds awesome

19:08:57 thestringpuller: oh god mircea_popescu is making me hungry

19:09:08 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people spend 5k to buy 300 dresses fob. send the girls over to pick up.

19:09:34 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller can't even decide if texas or mass is the capital of good bbq.

19:09:40 mircea_popescu: i can't even decide, i mean.

19:10:33 mircea_popescu: but during your us visit i definitely recommend seeing a) a renaissance faire if one's into easy fatties ; b) a bbq-off competition if one's into delicious fats.

19:10:43 mircea_popescu: can even take the pick-ups of a to b for bonus points!

19:15:58 thestringpuller: i'm getting fat as is.

19:16:26 thestringpuller: gf is good about working out and having good body. mine is turning to mush with all this work in the salt mines.

19:18:28 phf: my redneck friends took me to a state fair once, probably best "american" food i've had around DC area. icecream reminds me of the soviet one, that doesn't exist anymore. rich, fatty, none of them "substitutes", they were probably milking cows straight into the icecream mixer

19:18:34 mircea_popescu: and yet another reason i prefer women over men comes to light!

19:18:49 mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs.

19:19:31 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: didn't you state a straight male should prefer the company of women over men?

19:19:42 mircea_popescu: i have nfi.

19:19:45 phf: it's an interesting idea, but the kind of stuff their girlfriends eat, i prefer cow milk

19:19:51 mircea_popescu: link ?

19:20:07 mircea_popescu: phf maybe they're vegan. ~equivalent!

19:21:38 mircea_popescu: ;;ud 420

19:21:39 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=420 | the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who called themselves the Waldos, who ...

19:21:56 mircea_popescu: this is how we know i'm old.

19:25:28 thestringpuller: i hang out with people older than you on the reg

19:25:41 mircea_popescu: who know what 420 is ?

19:26:06 thestringpuller: yea. like 40 year olds who went to lollapalooza and stuff in the 90's

19:26:14 phf: i once saw a rope suspension of a rather large lady done by a dedicated kinbaku student, instead of pretending like she's not fat, he worked with the material with honesty, and the result was so grotesque that the image got stuck in my head. that's what "milking their girlfriends" brings up in my head, a bunch of docile, suspended cows being

19:26:18 thestringpuller: the generation X kids all growed-up

19:26:26 mircea_popescu: hm. okthen!

19:26:39 thestringpuller: young people suck

19:26:46 mircea_popescu: fortunately.

19:26:56 thestringpuller: i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore

19:27:23 thestringpuller: 19 year olds are all whiney "I'm going to change the world by doing X, but I have no idea how the world works so I'm just going to ignore that part!!!!11"

19:27:57 thestringpuller: "Maybe you should pick up a book?" "That's not required!!!1111 My opinions matter without education!"

19:29:02 mircea_popescu: let's get back to the sucking part.

19:32:03 thestringpuller: well we know how they suck, i guess now why do they suck?

19:32:49 phf: i recently talked to a 15 year old, who told me that 2015 was more culturally significant then all the years since 1970 combined, he then proceeded to name things that happened in 2015 that i've never heard of. i said "excuse me" and walked away, but i still can't grok it.

19:33:03 mircea_popescu: anything good on the list ?

19:33:40 phf: that's the problem, i don't know anything on the list. someone released some album, someone else said something to someone else during something

19:33:51 thestringpuller: da iPhone was invented!

19:33:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12774 @ 0.0004912 = 6.2746 BTC [+] {2}

19:33:55 mircea_popescu: virgin 15 yo ?

19:34:19 phf: that's a safe bet

19:34:28 mircea_popescu: jsut you wait till the summer of 69 rolls around.

19:34:34 mircea_popescu: in a coupla more years.

19:36:23 thestringpuller: reminds me of Cowboy Bebop. We'll all be elderly then, "Back in my day..."

19:37:32 phf: i think it's starting to happen, i've heard from a few new york socialites now, that they've been going to carefully crafted versions of burning man like events. sort of coachella or edc, but smaller, with a pretense to roughing it, and with more psychedelics

19:38:10 mircea_popescu: the wot is taking over all teh things!

19:38:40 thestringpuller: Burns are incredibly fun. And honestly it doesn't feel like roughing it. You just bring what you need and just exist. It's freedom from the default world.

19:43:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00049434 = 2.3234 BTC [+]

19:43:17 phf: i'm saying it's decidedly not burns, but event planner organized concerts, that have burn like activities also planned. morning yoga, games, camps all done by professionals. but "like you stay in a tent, and it's like nature" hence roughing it

19:44:31 phf: more kazantip, then afrikaburn

19:46:12 mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt anyone taught them kids how to stay within humanity while camping.

19:48:49 phf: can usually spot an eastern european or an american nature freak by how orderly their setup is. "this is where i cook my morning egg, just like i've been doing for the past 30 years"

19:50:52 mircea_popescu: i was thinking more along the lines of "doesn't know how to wash in a single gallon of water and probably won't even bother splashing it around uselessly unless it's preheated"

19:52:16 phf: very true

19:53:29 thestringpuller: phf: OMG. hit the nail on the head. those are some of the interesting camps tho

19:53:39 thestringpuller: it's like they have a mini house in the form of tents...

19:53:52 thestringpuller: full kitchen. a table. a pantry.

19:54:08 *: mircea_popescu doesn't much care for camper vans because cramped

19:54:50 thestringpuller: i have to admit, i like having a grill when camping.

19:55:09 thestringpuller: save dehydrated food for hiking.

19:56:12 punkman: just need skewers or wire panel

20:00:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00049048 = 2.526 BTC [-] {2}

20:02:26 phf: i like to have fire when camping, i spent formative years with su engineers doing ural hikes so as long as there's fire something can be cooked, where's grill has its own rules of engagement

20:05:08 funkenstein_: greeting y'all

20:05:10 funkenstein_: i was under the impression y'all had never been out of doors let alone camping

20:06:15 mats: lol

20:06:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00049434 = 6.9949 BTC [+]

20:09:52 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ need any further proof your "bayesian" approach is not a sort of thinking ? :D

20:13:02 phf: goes back to that thread about fucking and math

20:13:45 funkenstein_: mircea_popescu, i don't follow bayesian approach sorry

20:14:00 funkenstein_: but wondering if you have recommendation for me on should I read mircea eliade

20:14:13 mircea_popescu: sure, why not.

20:15:25 funkenstein_: cool, I will check it out thanks :)

20:17:42 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard. here he is : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/fierceEmpath?cf=messages and here's the derpage : http://dpaste.com/3X9GKFG

20:17:43 assbot: fierceEmpath / 25 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1UD4XsY )

20:17:45 assbot: dpaste: 3X9GKFG ... ( http://bit.ly/1UD4Zkx )

20:18:12 mircea_popescu: by now a clearer idea of this particular contemporary stupidity of the uneducated but bright young folk is starting to structure itself in my head, and ima call it bayesian.

20:18:15 phf: eliade's "yoga immortality and freedom" is still best exposition

20:18:42 mircea_popescu: it has a lot to do with the sad situation where "everything not encountered before is surprising" - which is, incidentally, just another way to say "i'm stupid".

20:19:05 mircea_popescu: it also has a lot to do with an implicit presumption that the world is comprehensible in a very mechanicist way.

20:19:18 phf: !up Chesterly

20:19:26 mircea_popescu: he for instance reaches for phenomenology (what happened!!!) when nothing on the ground warrants a phenomenological explanation.

20:19:36 mircea_popescu: in clarifying this error, for instgance, eliade would be very useful.

20:19:50 Chesterly: okcupid is lol for sluts

20:19:54 Chesterly: get on tinder

20:19:59 Chesterly: or bumble

20:22:27 Chesterly: mirc, are you in ottawa, canada?

20:23:20 ben_vulpes: Chesterly: do you do any research before spouting off in general?

20:24:08 Chesterly: yes. this was my research: funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard.....fierceEmpath / 25 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

20:24:47 Chesterly: in my experience, people on okcupid generally message others within their city, not across countries/continents etc.

20:33:58 phf: huh, not the first time somebody joins during a thread to demonstrate thread's point

20:36:13 mircea_popescu: Chesterly no, buenos aires.

20:36:27 mircea_popescu: also

20:36:29 mircea_popescu: !s okcupidslut

20:36:31 assbot: 12 results for 'okcupidslut' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=okcupidslut

20:40:15 mircea_popescu: but, to make it perfectly clear, i don't believe funkenstein_ is to any significant degree related to the foregoing. that'sd what i mean by primed, i just see it everywhere now/

20:46:29 phf: i was referring to what you said about bayesian thinking and then chesterly talking about his experience

20:49:19 mircea_popescu: yeh, i figured.

20:49:51 mircea_popescu: not sure mr f knows it tho, in truth i've been laying into him of late like he were the antichrist or something.

20:50:08 mircea_popescu: but it's quite coincidental.

20:50:35 mircea_popescu: !rated funkenstein_

20:50:35 assbot: You rated user funkenstein_ on 15-Mar-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.

20:51:00 mircea_popescu: !rate funkenstein_ 2 dwarf banker and not the antichrist.

20:51:00 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3e626c77d8bc9993

20:51:21 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.funkenstein_.2:d7f84b0babafa10cfa3800effcc01ff0257ec4548ac1dee4df8fe7e8c2985c79

20:51:22 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for funkenstein_ from 1 to 2 with note: dwarf banker and not the antichrist.

21:05:01 phf: hmm, bayesian thinking is sort of like if you walk looking at the ground and all you see are tiny twigs and then gradually all you see are tiny rocks and you don't have an ability to pull away and notice that you were walking through forest first and then you're at a base of a mountain. it sometimes "works", becase you've been taught that the two classifications exist so you call first forest and the second mountain, but of course

21:05:02 phf: you've not ~seen~ either. you come across rocky patch in the forest and call it mountain, you call wood chipper pile forest, etc.

21:26:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00049434 = 7.3657 BTC [+]

21:40:53 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: remember >> "Fiat is not just about money. Fiat is a state of mind, the idea that some magical bureaucrat somewhere can give you new teeth, cure your warts and produce you a wife to order by just saying "fiat"." << I thought a little more about that as I'm reading about more people thinking about savings differently since Bitcoin exists. The compulsion to spend comes very strongly with fiat, whereas the "compuls

22:05:07 mircea_popescu: phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting".

22:05:32 mircea_popescu: lemme see if i can do it in math terms.

22:06:06 mircea_popescu: "bayesian thinking" is the equivalent of an algebra so defined that all operators are necessarily idempotent and all functions necessarily contiguous.

22:06:15 mircea_popescu: truly, this simplifies "math" quite a heck of a lot.

22:06:28 mircea_popescu: continuous*

22:06:41 mircea_popescu: basically in that space you'd just cauchy-buniakowski-schwartz the fuck out of everything

22:06:50 mircea_popescu: and even if it didn't work, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW

22:07:29 mircea_popescu: note that this is exactly what they're actually doing, too.

22:43:25 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

22:43:32 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.45, vol: 11453.79682566 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 450.882, vol: 6140.68229 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 454.51, vol: 34633.75048508 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 0.03058214 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 459.12358, vol: 76205.89970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 455.22, vol: 111.94217655 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 459.942499989, vol: 59.1356488 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

22:43:35 BingoBoingo: ;;more

22:43:36 gribble: 456.979285411

22:43:54 deedbot-: [fraudsters] MPIF (F.MPIF) December 2015 Statement - http://fraudsters.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-december-2015-statement/

22:51:29 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362694 << getting there

22:51:29 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 01:14:33; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski What qntra not authorative enough to publish truefax confirmed in multiple outlets?

22:51:50 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362686 << also... getting there

22:51:50 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 01:08:57; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362521 << No version string testing?

22:52:20 pete_dushenski: wait, kako's a known horse-eater ?

22:53:25 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360451 <--> http://dpaste.com/1M9K976.txt

22:53:25 assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 23:54:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360370 << again folks with 'blows up' but no error logz nor any meaningful data that would let me shit forth magical answer re: ~why~

22:53:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSLc49 )

22:54:10 pete_dushenski: basically, trying to install 'essential' yields "Media change: please insert the disc labeled Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter"

22:54:18 pete_dushenski: on debian 7 ^^

22:55:28 pete_dushenski: dunno if this was the same jam that thestringpuller was running into or not. but this is where 'laocoon' is currently stuck

22:56:35 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362638 << "stunning" indeed. need moar social sciences funding to get to the root of this deep, deep question

22:56:35 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:35:57; mircea_popescu: "There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," << nordic system is a great system, provided you only ask the people who stay behind.

22:56:40 kakobrekla: what about horse?

22:56:51 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362618

22:56:51 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:24:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362614 << somebody wake up kakobrekla !1111

22:57:09 BingoBoingo: "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "

22:57:33 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Horse is delicious

22:57:47 pete_dushenski: i don't doubt it

22:59:22 BingoBoingo: ?Grades are increasingly a lousy signal, especially at those elite places that just hand out the A?s. So you don?t even have that anymore,?

22:59:38 BingoBoingo: from https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/06/new-book-reveals-how-elite-phd-admissions-committees-review-candidates?utm_source=slate&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=partner

22:59:41 assbot: New book reveals how elite Ph.D. admissions committees review candidates | Inside Higher Ed ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSLI20 )

23:00:50 kakobrekla: dat girl, wife material.

23:11:04 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362706 << almost as bad as the gasoline-benzene mixture that mercedes was using at le mans in 1955, which made quite the little *boom* when pierre levegh crashed and firefighters tried to pour water on the fire, only to watch the fire expand as the magnesium body of the car reacted with the water. 83 ppl died in that one.

23:11:04 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 01:26:50; mircea_popescu: (in fairness, it was the fuel of choice of f1 engines in the 80s, but it really is much too high octane to use in shitty ro-made engines of the era. not to mention carcinogenic)

23:11:49 pete_dushenski: http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/pics/picture4.jpg

23:11:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzejXh )

23:12:06 pete_dushenski: http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/pics/picture7.jpg

23:12:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rzeq5a )

23:12:56 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362742 << los alamos eh. nifty.

23:12:56 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 03:08:45; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDi-UXUo8E << holy fuq.

23:13:01 kakobrekla: oh and yes pete_dushenski got a couple of kilos of horse meat in the fridge and another batch coming in 2 months.

23:14:04 kakobrekla: locally grown, straight from the farmer. not expencive either, 8 euros per kilo.

23:15:51 pete_dushenski: the chicken i buy is $23/kg, the beef $30/kg or so. $12/kg for locally grown, straight from the farmer is a steal of a deal

23:16:25 mircea_popescu: yeah not bad.

23:16:30 kakobrekla: 7 euro for goat.

23:17:01 kakobrekla: but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so.

23:17:20 mircea_popescu: primo salmon is ~25 bucks here, 15ish or so for steak

23:17:50 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362879 << heh. you're right, it's 1-200 mile range electric cars keeping you fenced in. can't even drive off to phreedom nao.

23:17:50 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 12:03:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire.

23:18:21 pete_dushenski: have to stop overnight in every. single. town.

23:19:23 pete_dushenski: imagine how fast they would've caught capone et al. if he fled the scene of every bank robbery in an electric car.

23:19:46 pete_dushenski: s/he/they'd

23:19:57 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: very reasonable prices

23:20:09 mircea_popescu: anyone remember the red guy as a mall cop with an electric car ?

23:20:29 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: the ethiopian and indian restaurants around here do goat very well around here

23:20:50 pete_dushenski: paul blart ?

23:22:01 mircea_popescu: nah cow and chicken character

23:22:12 kakobrekla: incidentally i drank goat kefir yesterday - it tastes like licking goat balls

23:22:22 mircea_popescu: now hiow wouyld you know that.

23:22:30 davout: exactly what i was wondering

23:22:32 kakobrekla: educated guess

23:22:49 davout: how does it compare to horse testicles?

23:22:55 mircea_popescu: "rounder"

23:23:07 davout: "need to bend lower to reach"

23:23:27 kakobrekla: anyway, the meat has a similar taste, very strong. needs at least 24hrs preparation to make it taste good.

23:25:04 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/76534b67e50e0f4dfad1aeb0496c23661e6a60c47e9b20ec0b775eb69d677205_large << that one

23:26:12 mircea_popescu: yes!

23:26:33 kakobrekla: davout i see bash is still stuck at november ? :)

23:26:56 davout: kakobrekla: yeah, haven't gotten to it yet

23:27:22 kakobrekla: no worries, just returning the complaint.

23:28:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00049046 = 3.4823 BTC [-] {2}

23:29:22 mircea_popescu: hahahaha

23:32:01 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362999 << it's for "people" who "love food"

23:32:01 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?

23:32:29 pete_dushenski: ftr 'becel' is some kinda margarine for when there's no butter around

23:32:40 pete_dushenski: also has 'heart logo'

23:32:44 mircea_popescu: i thought they owned that "i can't believe it's not butter" thing.

23:32:52 davout: kakobrekla: what are you? my wife?

23:32:55 mircea_popescu: for which, incidentally, a great ad would be, woman takes it up the ass furiously

23:32:58 mircea_popescu: and when she's done...

23:33:03 mircea_popescu: "i can't believe it's not butter!"

23:33:14 pete_dushenski: i can't believe i'm not butthurt ?

23:33:15 mircea_popescu: davout how is the fanny ?

23:33:37 davout: pretty exhausted by kid #2

23:33:56 mircea_popescu: did she get a horse ?

23:34:14 davout: hmm she's had a horse for a while now

23:34:27 mircea_popescu: oh. i just remembered she was thinking of buying.

23:34:28 mircea_popescu: cool.

23:34:35 davout: maybe a second one

23:34:45 davout: that would be the pony :D

23:34:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3682 @ 0.00049383 = 1.8183 BTC [+] {2}

23:34:52 mircea_popescu: lol

23:35:44 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.

23:35:44 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.

23:36:26 davout: obviously #ba needs a sane delivery network

23:36:48 pete_dushenski: god help venice if it needs to rebuild the roads of rome

23:37:34 mircea_popescu: the pony express was kinda cool...

23:37:52 davout: yeah well don't count on mine

23:37:54 pete_dushenski: aha as seen with persians, khanate, usians

23:38:11 davout: it's more like "fuck you, i'm fine eating this delicious grass right fucking here"

23:38:30 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363093 << as far as accountants go, i'd say so

23:38:30 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 15:12:30; mircea_popescu: chinese the new jew huh

23:39:01 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's unfortunate as confucianism is easily the dumbest think ever shat forth by the mind of man.

23:39:07 pete_dushenski: davout: that entitled huh

23:39:44 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: as long as they're using abacii and not fortune cookies to tabulate columns...

23:40:02 pete_dushenski: "those are lottery numbers, not how much tax i owe !!"

23:40:21 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363499 << l0l, and when i 'this is NOT everything!111' mircea_popescu answers 'mysticism!!11' - can't win.

23:40:21 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 22:05:07; mircea_popescu: phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting".

23:40:26 davout: i have no idea what the english word for "cravacher" is but either way, that's what it needs

23:41:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform life's hard but unfare!

23:41:07 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363517 << what even is this

23:41:07 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 22:53:25; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360451 <--> http://dpaste.com/1M9K976.txt

23:41:18 mircea_popescu: davout a man in the house ?

23:41:21 asciilifeform: heathen linux crud

23:41:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04

23:41:43 pete_dushenski: lol. not mystical enough for you ?

23:41:46 davout: mircea_popescu: has to be!

23:42:02 mircea_popescu: close lid, come back later, lift lid, continue married with children from where it left off.

23:42:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and external displays ?

23:42:24 mircea_popescu: i've not tried, but i am willing to bet that it'll bne fine.

23:42:29 asciilifeform: and yes if this was a thinkpad with actual ibm logo, this works

23:42:33 mircea_popescu: it is yes.

23:42:38 asciilifeform: but all it is good for is watching pr0n and 'lynx'

23:42:50 mircea_popescu: i could crack your head open with it...

23:42:54 asciilifeform: that also !

23:42:59 asciilifeform: i got a bunch of these here

23:43:09 asciilifeform: but none are good for mining u.

23:43:12 mircea_popescu: thing's impressive in its solidity, i'[d guess 10 lbs

23:43:18 asciilifeform: x40 ?

23:43:24 mircea_popescu: hm ?

23:43:32 asciilifeform: model

23:43:40 mircea_popescu: im too lazy to go check

23:44:05 asciilifeform: anyway these things rules

23:44:08 asciilifeform: *ruled

23:44:15 asciilifeform: but none will drive a reasonable number of pixels

23:44:16 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: anyways, you wanted the error logs (!), you got the error logs.

23:44:33 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: that one looks more like a 'i tried to install shitlinux and got bored' log

23:44:47 mircea_popescu: 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13'

23:44:47 mircea_popescu: in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter

23:44:49 mircea_popescu: ahaha what the fuck!

23:44:56 pete_dushenski: mno

23:45:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3071 @ 0.00049042 = 1.5061 BTC [-] {2}

23:45:30 pete_dushenski: i have debian 7.3 installed, and several 'updates' don't wanna take because 'not latest verzionz'

23:45:37 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363595 << last week or so especially egregious

23:45:37 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 23:35:44; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.

23:45:39 pete_dushenski: as far as i can see

23:45:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE.

23:45:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato

23:46:05 asciilifeform: but i can do that on a 486.

23:46:08 asciilifeform: just takes a little while.

23:46:12 asciilifeform: that's not the issue.

23:46:13 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: os ?

23:46:25 mircea_popescu: ubuntu 10.04

23:46:32 mircea_popescu: i think i said that b4

23:47:05 asciilifeform: (the issue is 1) graphical www 2) driving the 2**10^7 pixels i need to sanely develop

23:47:09 asciilifeform: )

23:47:13 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: could've been diff girl

23:47:23 pete_dushenski: you have, like, multiple

23:47:36 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski before, like 20 lines up!

23:47:48 asciilifeform: anyway 'compile trb' was never a mega-feat

23:47:51 asciilifeform: go compile rotor.

23:48:07 asciilifeform: from empty space.

23:48:42 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol. "it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04" != "girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE."

23:48:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363528 << there was precisely this dynamic re: jews in su

23:48:58 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 22:57:09; BingoBoingo: "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "

23:48:59 pete_dushenski: anyways.

23:49:41 asciilifeform: any university that didn't have 'jew quota' would rapidly fill up

23:49:52 asciilifeform: and then director would be asked 'why are you running a synagogue here'

23:50:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ?

23:50:23 asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz, today's mega-lulzatr0n winner,

23:50:24 asciilifeform: https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/paul-graham-is-asking-to-be-eaten-5acf72aa776f#.nf0nek4rc

23:50:25 assbot: Paul Graham Is Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs1nt )

23:50:31 mircea_popescu: or not really worth it / nobody cares ?

23:52:10 asciilifeform: http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html << the piece which provoked the earlier thing

23:52:11 assbot: Economic Inequality ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs82q )

23:53:26 mircea_popescu: wait, this sort of anti-national-socialist propaganda is allowed on medium ?

23:53:34 mircea_popescu: i thought they only had good nazi chicks there or something.

23:53:43 asciilifeform: complicated. pg tries to position himself as 'legit business'

23:53:51 asciilifeform: and 'growing the pie' etc

23:53:57 asciilifeform: rather than usg scion

23:54:03 mircea_popescu: so did krupp.

23:54:14 trinque: http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz.asc << mod6, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, et al., this thing has crapped a working trb enough times to get feedback. It's a set of makefiles for the former build script and rotor. There are interesting knobs in the various makefiles, including (I think) an easy way to put other builders alongside rotor (as asciilifeform mentioned). Lemme

23:54:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZgKAs8 )

23:54:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZgKC3w )

23:54:17 trinque: know how it can be improved.

23:54:28 asciilifeform: trinque: neato

23:54:31 asciilifeform: trinque: post to ml plox

23:54:32 mircea_popescu: cool beans.

23:54:38 mircea_popescu: yeh what he said.

23:54:41 trinque: k

23:54:50 asciilifeform: i generally go to ml when i look for 'what happened in xxx month trb-wise'