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Transcript for 08-03-2015, 650 lines:

00:10:09 mircea_popescu: when you peer into the b-a, the b-a peers back into you.

00:39:19 cazalla: i've updated the ulbrich appeal with pdf and text of the motion of a new trial if anyone was interested in reading it http://qntra.net/2015/03/ross-ulbricht-seeks-new-trial/

00:39:20 assbot: Ross Ulbricht Seeks New Trial | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BU5Rv4 )

00:55:41 cazalla: bah, that pdf to text converter butchered a bunch of paragraphs

01:26:03 cazalla: fixed

01:45:44 mircea_popescu: cool

01:47:31 mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/c4795082b23d573a3276a12484bea300/tumblr_n1st82xHTv1ttw7kgo1_500.jpg << thermorectal in a good way! check it asciilifeform

01:47:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KEa3oi )

02:09:46 mircea_popescu: "Thompson was faced with a hardware environment cramped and spartan even for the time: the DEC PDP-7 on which he started in 1968 was a machine with 8K 18-bit words of memory and no software useful to him."

02:14:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00035498 = 3.4256 BTC [+]

02:30:04 asciilifeform: 8k x 18 is still a fuckton if there's no extraneous crapolade in there

02:31:01 asciilifeform: how many folks here have written enough asm (let's be liberal, pick any arch) to fill 8k?

02:31:09 *: asciilifeform has, and it took a while

02:32:06 asciilifeform: before anyone says 'but the data set' - people in the 'age of xx kB' often kept them on tape and operated piecemeal

02:32:20 asciilifeform: see the 'tape sorts' featured in the knuth aop centerfolds, for example

02:33:04 mircea_popescu: it's about 2-4k instructions. a week's worth ?

02:33:31 asciilifeform: if you do nothing else

02:33:44 asciilifeform: and writing mostly 'from your head' already.

02:33:46 asciilifeform: then yes.

02:36:39 cazalla: i take it noone here got an invite to evoorhee's wedding lol

02:36:41 mircea_popescu: well if you're going to write asm you'd better know the opcodes.

02:36:58 mircea_popescu: uh wasn't that in 2013 ?!

02:37:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meant the overall logic, rather than opcodes (of course you know the opcodes, that isn't what takes time)

02:37:09 mircea_popescu: for all the american beauty fans : http://41.media.tumblr.com/69d4a34cc4a125868a9f77b1adb73899/tumblr_mzpd5kUAsW1s8p58po1_1280.jpg

02:37:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bja8pW )

02:37:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you said write, not you know, make useful stuff :D

02:37:53 cazalla: mircea_popescu, nfi, just saw an image posted a few hours ago, assumed it was from today, guess not

02:38:45 asciilifeform: since he came up, i'd still like to understand why he took to spam

02:40:26 cazalla: wow, some tumblr pics that aren't 320x480 for once

02:41:02 mircea_popescu: trinque "Last updated 2015-03-03 07:34:57.895386" ?

02:48:15 asciilifeform: http://fetlife.maybemaimed.com/reverse-the-spin.html (from mircea_popescu's comment section) << mega-l0l

02:48:16 assbot: FetLife lies, like, a lot. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COfJYp )

02:49:17 mircea_popescu: really, bitcoin is quite aptly "a microscope". specifically, in this case : the sort of bs idiocy we deride used to pass for "business" and "entrepreneurship" as a regular thing. sop.

02:49:52 mircea_popescu: those dudes find themselves in the position where atrocities that were just fine suddenly are viewed as atrocities by a cohesive group.

02:49:57 mircea_popescu: talk about business disruption.

02:50:14 trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah, I've been running the uploader by hand; I'm around to do so

02:50:23 asciilifeform: betcha they see #b-a as something not unlike how normal people see militant 'vegans'

02:50:37 trinque: sometime this weekend I'm going to make some improvements to the thing, including uploading via cronjob

02:50:39 asciilifeform: 'what do you mean i shouldn't butcher my chumps'

02:50:52 trinque: !up deedbot-

02:51:08 trinque: I've had a highlight on deedbot- in the meantime

02:51:10 mircea_popescu: i think "isis" is really the only available symbol to describe chtulhu, the borg, entity q and so forth.

02:53:14 thestringpuller: how is cthulhu and the borg related?

02:53:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idk, in my head it inevitably evokes a horde of orcs and headsoff.com

02:53:30 mircea_popescu: by being isis.

02:53:46 mircea_popescu: "This is the Plesk? default page"

02:53:49 thestringpuller: in what sense? fucking shit up?

02:53:56 asciilifeform: jacquerie with kalash is still jacquerie

02:54:04 mircea_popescu: meanwhile http://pantiesoff.com ...

02:54:05 assbot: pantiesoff.com: The Leading Pantie Off Site on the Net ... ( http://bit.ly/1COgKzI )

02:54:19 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no, in the sense of not dating.

02:54:58 thestringpuller: oh

02:55:00 thestringpuller: haha

02:55:01 thestringpuller: hahaha

02:56:59 mircea_popescu: also no cc debt, not caring about college, no idea what a quarterpounder with cheese is, completely dissinterested in police sirens in traffic etc.

02:57:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: robespierre also did not have cc debt, care about college, nor ate 'quarterpounder', nor ever heard a police siren ...

02:58:23 mircea_popescu: and also was isis.

02:58:23 asciilifeform: nor did any street urchin watching the chop show

02:58:28 mircea_popescu: also.

02:58:50 asciilifeform: but these folks definitely are not the 'clean backup' for unamericanized civ

02:58:57 asciilifeform: the way north kr at least partly still is

02:59:11 mircea_popescu: lmao no wai.

02:59:13 asciilifeform: they've all seen jpeg porn; probably half tasted the burger

02:59:27 mircea_popescu: wait, i think i lost the convo.

02:59:39 asciilifeform: they aren't uninfected

02:59:45 asciilifeform: is what i was getting at

02:59:57 mircea_popescu: who ?

03:00:02 asciilifeform: 'isis'

03:00:11 asciilifeform: or whatever the physically-existing pieces thereof are

03:00:14 mircea_popescu: isis the symbol, not isis the real item it purports to stand for.

03:00:15 asciilifeform: (vs the usg fiction)

03:00:21 asciilifeform: aha

03:00:25 mircea_popescu: there's zero relation there.

03:00:31 *: asciilifeform gets it

03:00:46 asciilifeform: limonov's 'escapees from the sanitary asylum' yes.

03:00:53 asciilifeform: as an abstract entity

03:01:29 mircea_popescu: average usian has never traveled, never read a book in a foreign language, never fucked a woman he didn't know etc. his ideas of "isis" are necessarily a reflection of his own pen, nothing else.

03:01:35 asciilifeform: (his gadaffi essay, among other items quoted here in the past, were in 'the disciplinary sanitarium' - great piece on more-or-less this ^)

03:02:16 mircea_popescu: heck, even something as banal as jurisdiction limits or alternative currencies are "confusing" and uncomfortable.

03:02:57 asciilifeform: jurisdiction limits don't confuse americans at all in application to -other- (vassal or non-usg jurisdiction) places

03:03:03 mircea_popescu: half the usian literature (which is 2/3s cinematographic) revolves around the shock and horror of... BORDERS!111

03:03:12 mircea_popescu: that's the main epic device : he crossed the state line!111

03:03:17 asciilifeform: no one in usa thinks that french law applies to him

03:03:29 mircea_popescu: i doubt they generally comprehend there is such a thing.

03:04:00 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls

03:04:02 assbot: Can she be THAT stupid? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bjd2Lk )

03:11:41 thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr

03:11:41 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00028609 / 0.00028609 / 0.00028609 (10000 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00027068 / 0.00027668 / 0.00028609 (25682 shares, 7.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00021897 / 0.00026524 / 0.000301 (72444 shares, 19.22 BTC)

03:13:58 mircea_popescu: that's some crazy volume

03:14:03 mircea_popescu: pretty much the whole float o.O

03:14:50 thestringpuller: mike_c must be doin something...

03:14:53 thestringpuller: mr. bear

03:19:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.0003393 = 5.3949 BTC [-] {2}

03:41:01 cazalla: lulz, so my parents called to tell me qantas landed a 747 in the town i grew up in, looked like the entire fkn town was there to watch it too (tbh, wish i could've been there ha) http://imgur.com/u0t6Asf,psLiFgA,aywdo0B

03:41:02 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nvzlnk )

03:42:07 cazalla: everyone will be talking about for weeks, months, probably even years to come

03:44:31 Pierre_Rochard: ^ prime minister visiting? emergency landing?

03:49:28 Pierre_Rochard: got it: http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/historic-qantas-747-400-makes-precision-touchdown-on-its-final-journey/story-fn6yjmoc-1227253502844

03:49:29 assbot: Historic Qantas 747-400 makes precision touchdown on its final journey ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvAlI9 )

03:49:53 cazalla: Pierre_Rochard, i think they're going to put it on display at the airport museum or something

03:53:26 cazalla: when we use to wag school to go to the beach, we'd cut across the tarmac at that airport to get to the train station quicker (they put up fencing after 9/11, you could basically wander across it prior to that)

05:17:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00033182 = 5.0768 BTC [-]

05:28:22 cazalla: !up whaack

05:28:30 whaack: ty

05:29:43 whaack: does the MIT btc conference fall in the category of shit you guys give interest to?

05:31:28 *: adlai guesses that the burden of relevance proving is on the messenger

05:31:42 adlai: you have a voice, use it!

05:33:20 cazalla: not really whaack, same speakers, same sponsors, same shit

05:35:07 adlai: from what i've heard, they want to form a Third Foundation. this is getting even thicker than asimov

05:35:44 whaack: Joi was saying that yeah he wanted an organization that worked on hardware wallets

05:36:35 whaack: devoid of interests in profit or political affairs, but merely the ideals of bitcoin

05:37:25 adlai: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299

05:37:27 assbot: Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice. ... ( http://bit.ly/190fXPr )

05:40:23 danielpbarron: i feel like this relates to the conversation not too long ago about buying hardware for specific purposes, and how it tells your enemy exactly how he can screw you

05:40:30 whaack: adlai: ah yes I've read this, I like it a lot. I'm currently taking the task of building my own hardware and writing my own transaction signing tool. It's difficult though and pushing the limits of my feeble brain

05:41:13 adlai: what hardware are you building?

05:43:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0125 = 2.5 BTC [+]

05:43:24 whaack: adlai: Haha I guess I should say I've mentally told myself I'm going to do the task - no work has been put in yet. But I just want to build my own bitcoin tool. I probably won't wind up using it but I want to prove to myself that I'm able to do it.

05:44:05 adlai: if you have those abilities, why not put them to use building something useful?

05:58:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00033322 = 1.7327 BTC [+] {2}

06:11:30 cazalla: !up chiral

06:26:03 adlai: “These defendants stand accused of conspiring to carry out the violent overthrow of a foreign government, in violation of U.S. law,” said Attorney General Eric Holder. http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-defendants-charged-their-role-attempted-coup-gambia

06:26:05 assbot: Two Defendants Charged for their Role in an Attempted Coup in The Gambia | OPA | Department of Justice ... ( http://bit.ly/1ErF6Qr )

06:59:11 mircea_popescu: adlai from what i've heard, they want to form a Third Foundation. this is getting even thicker than asimov << lolz. the part where they carefully avoid the why of it, and how exactly the old one died is also the part that ensures they stay irrelevant.

06:59:33 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell whaack Joi can get in the wot.

06:59:33 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:00:12 mircea_popescu: adlai this is different from nuland how ?

07:01:46 adlai: armed insurrection, like suicide, is only punishable when failed

07:02:20 mircea_popescu: but nuland's ukraine coup failed so spectacularly it's contending with the iran contra affair.

07:03:25 adlai: well the us plays the role of global policeman, and suicide-by-cop is not punishable (except for maybe retiring the individual cop early, since he won't make a good public face for the department)

07:04:10 mircea_popescu: i'd totally prosecute her.

07:06:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, those fucking idiots. just how hard is it to mine a coupla guard towers.

07:07:10 mircea_popescu: in "the gambia"

07:16:15 mircea_popescu: !up chiral

07:20:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00033805 = 2.434 BTC [+]

07:24:28 mircea_popescu: weirdest shit of all time :

07:25:20 mircea_popescu: - - [08/Mar/2015:01:59:53 -0500] "GET /five-bucks-for-great-justice/ HTTP/1.1" 302 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"

07:25:20 mircea_popescu: - - [08/Mar/2015:03:00:00 -0400] "GET /steampunk-tower-defense HTTP/1.1" 302 - "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"

07:25:33 mircea_popescu: took me like five minutes to figure out wtf happened with that one hour gap.

07:38:48 adlai: eastern standard siesta

07:39:00 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.93804235 BTC. Current weight: 69,955.

07:40:27 mircea_popescu: lol

08:14:42 mircea_popescu: "The most important of these has been the tolerance of C compilers to errors in type. As should be clear from the history above, C evolved from typeless languages. It did not suddenly appear to its earliest users and developers as an entirely new language with its own rules; instead we continually had to adapt existing programs as the language developed, and make allowance for an existing body of code. (Later, the ANSI

08:14:42 mircea_popescu: X3J11 committee standardizing C would face the same problem.)"

08:14:54 mircea_popescu: the birth of the problem, i guess.

08:18:21 mircea_popescu: "Nevertheless, C's approach to strings works well." :D

08:22:16 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC to top $413 before Songkran" http://bitbet.us/bet/1122/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.93804235 BTC. Current weight: 69,887.

08:38:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12562 @ 0.00033062 = 4.1532 BTC [-] {2}

09:04:22 adlai: lol! https://bitbet.us/bet/1122/#c4636 OP is clearly ignorant of S.BBET's ownership...

09:04:23 assbot: BitBet - BTC to top $413 before Songkran :: 3.23 B (22%) on Yes, 11.71 B (78%) on No | closing in 1 month 14 hours | weight: 69`820 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FtMdVI )

09:22:09 ben_vulpes: your nightly wtf: http://dpaste.com/2Y11CPJ

09:22:10 assbot: dpaste: 2Y11CPJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1FtOMa4 )

09:22:26 ben_vulpes: golang json parser barfs on quoted empty arrays.

09:22:28 ben_vulpes: apparently.

10:00:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11832 @ 0.00034574 = 4.0908 BTC [+] {2}

10:01:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4394 @ 0.00034981 = 1.5371 BTC [+]

10:09:35 ben_vulpes: (although who knows - maybe i'm a moron for trying to pass it quoted empty arrays)

11:44:34 punkman: so I just got a call from the Congo, didn't have enough time to pick it up. wonder what kind of scam it was

11:44:59 adlai: good thing you didn't answer, might have been implicated in a coup

11:45:24 kakobrekla: i got one from azerbaijan last friday evening.

11:45:40 cazalla: and i got one from all your mums

11:45:47 cazalla: and now i'm going to bed! zzz

12:05:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00033718 = 14.6336 BTC [-] {3}

12:27:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00032771 = 6.7181 BTC [-]

12:36:19 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/landsknechting/status/574482741690900480

12:36:21 assbot: /hashtag/AggressiveCleavage?src=hash- the /hashtag/GamerGate?src=hash OP I've been in training for my entire life... they pay me for this, y'all... http://t.co/fSEA2kheDL

12:47:42 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#771797 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1045931

12:47:42 assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 02:14:01; asciilifeform: http://kyristor.com << dumped my ancient derpage in there for archaeologists to derp on.

12:47:42 assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 05:40:23; danielpbarron: i feel like this relates to the conversation not too long ago about buying hardware for specific purposes, and how it tells your enemy exactly how he can screw you

13:14:03 danielpbarron: height=261137 vs height=202574 (usb3: height=235199)

13:14:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00034593 = 9.3401 BTC [+]

13:30:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22722 @ 0.00034736 = 7.8927 BTC [+] {4}

14:02:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00032771 = 3.9161 BTC [-]

15:27:52 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: conversation not too long ago about buying hardware for specific purposes, and how it tells your enemy exactly how he can screw you << that observation was specifically about integrated circuits. which the buyer, barring extraordinary investment in time and machinery, cannot inspect.

16:31:13 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIgjogLipvk

16:31:15 assbot: MIT Bitcoin Expo 2015 Day 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BldMQ1 )

16:32:35 punkman: lol, antonopoulos telling people "blockchains without bitcoin is lightbulb without electricity"

16:34:31 punkman: probably not the best analogy for people that don't understand lightbulbs

16:35:27 punkman: !up ecstaticpessimst

16:35:54 punkman: your IP leaks because your client autojoins channel before cloak is activated

16:36:16 punkman: either configure "SASL" login, or disable autojoin

16:36:33 ecstaticpessimst: Ya, im actually getting that fixed RN

16:36:37 ecstaticpessimst: thanks for the headsup though

16:36:49 punkman: so did you get DoS'd the other day?

16:37:17 ecstaticpessimst: nope, I mean I probably would have noticed right?

16:37:44 punkman: well some people report their internet/router going down for short periods

16:38:37 ecstaticpessimst: Oh, I wasn't browsing from my home network. maybe I caused some problems for some other people....that would be exciting

16:38:43 punkman: I enjoyed the maritime story btw ;)

16:45:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00035251 = 8.0725 BTC [+]

16:48:57 Pierre_Rochard: ;;later tell pete_dushenski my compliments to the chef for the latest contravex post, all of the ingredients were perfectly cooked

16:48:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:49:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00032767 = 10.0759 BTC [-] {2}

17:29:30 jurov: ;;ticker

17:29:31 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 273.5, Best ask: 273.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.32000, Last trade: 273.83, 24 hour volume: 23811.29817168, 24 hour low: 271.61, 24 hour high: 280.76, 24 hour vwap: None

17:29:45 jurov: orly

17:29:49 jurov: !mpif

17:29:51 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021361 B (Total: 467.13 B). Delta: 0.00 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]

18:04:21 jurov: https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2015/03/msg00133.html haha the replies

18:04:22 assbot: Debian 8/jessie - SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_TSYNC ... ( http://bit.ly/1EtaaiJ )

18:04:32 jurov: !up yhwh_

18:09:38 asciilifeform: RIP last usable graphical www browser (chromium, that is, not chrome, but doubt that either will be runnable after this)

18:12:47 jurov: what's the problem with firefox?

18:13:16 jurov: !up Uglux

18:14:24 Uglux: hello

18:33:13 ben_vulpes: what on earth is tsync?

18:33:38 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1406.1/01964.html

18:33:39 assbot: Linux-Kernel Archive: [PATCH v6 7/9] seccomp: implement SECCOMP_FILTER_FLAG_TSYNC ... ( http://bit.ly/18sRul2 )

18:33:54 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/geometry/

18:33:55 assbot: Problems in Geometry ... ( http://bit.ly/18sRx07 )

18:37:30 ben_vulpes: waaay over my head.

18:38:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: short summary: patch submitted by google chrome devs themselves; supposedly to simplify their sandbox 'jail' mechanism

18:39:02 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it was tentatively accepted, but is not found in mainstream kernels - considered experimental

18:39:10 asciilifeform: and, up until now, nothing made use of it

18:39:34 asciilifeform: but now google intends to force it through with the usual 'or we take the ball and go home' gambit.

18:39:51 asciilifeform: which should immediately make your ears stand up

18:41:08 asciilifeform: i deliberately won't comment on the technical aspects (can't bring myself to give a damn) but the psychological patterns point to - power play

18:41:24 asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu might phrase it

18:41:32 asciilifeform: 'camel wants his nose in the tent'

18:43:30 asciilifeform: perhaps this is worth a brief digression:

18:44:26 asciilifeform: there are -two- separate types of policy re: a major project with 'open' contributions

18:44:32 asciilifeform: the 'what' - gets in

18:44:34 asciilifeform: and

18:44:38 asciilifeform: the 'who' gets to contribute

18:45:15 asciilifeform: shitgnomism is a thing mainly because these two very separate considerations somehow ended up munged into one

18:46:42 asciilifeform: as if it were possible for the machine itself to protest and say 'i don't like this particular 'what,' it was written to brutally rape the operator when the planets next align'

18:47:51 asciilifeform: bringing it back to the 'tsync' thread, there are two separate questions that the evil dwarves would have us believe are simply one - the technical merit or lack thereof of the 'tsync' mechanism

18:48:35 asciilifeform: whereas the real issue is, whether google should be permitted to stuff arbitrary strange into mainline kernel on their say-so

18:49:19 asciilifeform: a good chunk of the reputation of linus t. is that he's been fairly effective at keeping a lid on this kind of thing, historically

18:50:12 asciilifeform: but my impression is that he's the 'boy stuffing his finger in the flood dike' as in the fairy tale

18:50:31 asciilifeform: if finger ever comes out - enjoy 'chrome os'

18:58:33 ben_vulpes: what's the graphical www browser story over on le bsds?

18:58:59 asciilifeform: i was speaking generally

18:59:41 asciilifeform: i don't consider browser that won't build across the whole posix planet to even 'count' for the purpose of discussion

19:00:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15199 @ 0.00034798 = 5.2889 BTC [+]

19:03:14 asciilifeform: i'm also not especially interested in 'hair shirt' browsers;

19:03:30 asciilifeform: the folks who are willing to use 'lynx' for 100% of their www needs already know who they are.

19:03:58 thestringpuller: hair shirt?

19:04:10 thestringpuller: asciilifeform does use lynx!

19:04:25 thestringpuller: "Get your filthy javascript and css away from me"

19:04:37 asciilifeform: hair shirt >> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07113b.htm

19:04:38 assbot: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Hairshirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATrkyw )

19:05:02 punkman: I don't mind the CSS, but the javascript situation is ridiculous

19:05:28 thestringpuller: hey asciilifeform i have a brilliant idea

19:05:37 thestringpuller: how about we store private GPG keys in the javascript portion of the browser!

19:05:42 thestringpuller: what could possibly go wrong?!?

19:05:55 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: already baked...

19:06:06 asciilifeform: what was it called

19:06:10 asciilifeform: 'keybase' ?

19:06:19 punkman: there's a few of them

19:06:23 thestringpuller: i thought keybase held your keys for you cause people are stupid

19:06:29 asciilifeform: http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/83/St_Aspais_Melun_-_cilice.jpg >> hair shirt

19:06:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATrBla )

19:06:45 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: at any rate, that particular flavour of idiocy has been around for a while

19:06:46 punkman: btw remember Shrem signing with openpgpjs, didn't even validate

19:07:06 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: but its almost comical nao tho.

19:07:09 ben_vulpes: was it even shrem?

19:07:14 thestringpuller: like this is stuff for a good stand up

19:07:20 punkman: we'll never know

19:08:32 punkman: thestringpuller: they more wanted to make a "better" keyserver, that linked to your twitter/github/whatever.

19:08:49 thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/t2sfuot.jpg

19:09:07 ben_vulpes: punkman, thestringpuller: a "better keyserver"'d not be a bad thing to do.

19:09:12 thestringpuller: punkman: keybase is forcing users to trust in central authority rather than forcing users to learn "their lessons"

19:09:31 punkman: thestringpuller: no the encrypted key backup thing is optional

19:09:44 punkman: but it's an option that shouldn't exist

19:09:48 thestringpuller: exactly

19:09:55 ben_vulpes: key backup as a service is downright braindamaged.

19:10:10 thestringpuller: which causes more braindamages cause "consumer has come to expect"

19:10:11 ben_vulpes: "please compromise and brute force this juicy target."

19:10:13 asciilifeform: 'wallet inspector'

19:10:31 thestringpuller: should come up with list of scam phrases

19:10:34 punkman: oh they got their own javascript pgp now https://keybase.io/kbpgp

19:10:35 assbot: kbpgp - PGP in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATs9HQ )

19:10:51 punkman: I think they had openpgp.js before

19:11:08 thestringpuller: saw node.js

19:11:13 thestringpuller: closed the tab

19:11:33 thestringpuller: why run GPG on node.js when you can just you know use GPG....

19:11:41 punkman: lol https://keybase.io/kbpgp/docs/in_the_wild

19:11:43 assbot: kbpgp - PGP in JavaScript ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATskCV )

19:11:47 *: asciilifeform opened up the distribution zip, flipped randomly, and saw a page full of nist curves !

19:11:48 asciilifeform: lol!

19:11:57 *: ben_vulpes halfway expects 'node' 'gpg' to shell out to platform bins

19:12:07 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://pgpkeygen.com/

19:12:14 thestringpuller: before you open that link

19:12:16 thestringpuller: if you have an anurism

19:12:18 thestringpuller: it's not my fault

19:12:28 asciilifeform: looks as if it were meant for homework

19:12:32 asciilifeform: for maths students

19:12:43 asciilifeform: that's the only use case i can really think of for this

19:12:53 thestringpuller: "Yes, it is as safe as generating your keys using a local application. The key generation on our website is done client-side only. This means the key pairs are generated entirely in your web browser and they never leave your computer. Our website never sees any key related data or the key itself."

19:13:08 thestringpuller: written by a TA XD

19:13:28 asciilifeform: l0l, so it was serious ?!

19:13:41 *: asciilifeform not surprised, and vaguely remembers this having been posted here before

19:14:14 thestringpuller: 10 years from now when phuctor starts detecting broken entropy systems

19:14:32 thestringpuller: I will be interested in seeing what happens when you throw a key generator from here into the mix

19:15:02 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i must confess that the most likely reason its bell has never rung is that i haven't the resources to actually process the 5 mil. or so donated pubkeys sitting here on local disk

19:15:30 thestringpuller: and you don't want AWS in a zoo or with a gnu

19:15:30 asciilifeform: at any rate, only a serious case of braindamage would sabotage a key generator in such a way that duplicate moduli are produced

19:15:41 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's on aws right now

19:15:58 ben_vulpes: http://www.afralisp.net/index.php << decimation i think was looking for CAD scripting?

19:15:59 assbot: Learn AutoLISP for AutoCAD productivity | AfraLISP ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATsV7F )

19:16:28 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/2yaahb/til_bertrand_russel_said_in_the_modern_world_the/cp7ob2k << the irony kills me here

19:16:59 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you're unfamiliar with it - autolisp is a 1970s style lisp (complete with unsolved 'funarg problem' !) similar to emacs elisp

19:17:21 ben_vulpes: i am indeed unfamiliar with it.

19:17:27 asciilifeform: the kind of lisp undergrads tend to implement

19:17:41 asciilifeform: if ordered to 'write a lisp interpreter in three weeks'

19:18:11 ben_vulpes: http://www.openscad.org << the cad program i mistook for freecad in a several months old thread.

19:18:12 assbot: OpenSCAD - The Programmers Solid 3D CAD Modeller ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATtazF )

19:18:16 thestringpuller: only LISP use in my undergrad program is in the AI courses

19:18:26 thestringpuller: i don't think the undergrads are smart enough to implement lisp

19:18:33 punkman: http://punkmanufacturing.com/wiki/software << small directory of CAD software

19:18:34 assbot: Software [Punk Manufacturing] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATtePF )

19:18:58 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: implementing a programming language of one kind or another is, afaik, still sop as homework

19:19:04 asciilifeform: and lisps are generally the easiest

19:19:18 ben_vulpes: lisps are so damn easy.

19:20:26 thestringpuller: punkman: lol. how did autocad not make the list?

19:20:59 ben_vulpes: cute, freecad has a REPL

19:21:14 thestringpuller: all CAD should have REPL

19:21:19 thestringpuller: all 3d software should have some kind of REPL

19:22:35 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i think brainfuck was the only thing that fits that criteria during my undergrad at least

19:22:52 thestringpuller: most of the undergrads coming in had never seen a programming language in their lives so...

19:23:17 thestringpuller: "OMG I can make money programming compooters, i'd better jump on the CS bandwagon"

19:23:34 ben_vulpes: i still think CS is the worst way to make money programmering.

19:23:43 punkman: thestringpuller: everyone knows autocad, doesn't need to be in list

19:25:08 thestringpuller: it's the first cad software I used so I guess it's kinda "mainstream" now

19:25:29 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: how so? what in your opinion is the best way?

19:26:11 ben_vulpes: avoid "baccalaureate" bezzle, hack js and css.

19:26:25 ben_vulpes: that is, if you really lack the kind of mind that hungers for something beyond "money".

19:26:47 thestringpuller: isn't that why people get CS degrees, or were getting?

19:26:56 thestringpuller: now people drop out in 1st year and go to SF and work for start up after start up

19:27:10 thestringpuller: hacking the js's and css's

19:27:33 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: "OMG I can make money programming compooters, i'd better jump on the CS bandwagon" << you tell me

19:28:45 BingoBoingo: Studying CS would be a fine path if only the studiers would accept being deprived of computers until their 30's

19:31:23 decimation: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/08/on-secretly-terrible-engineers/ < mostly rambling but has an interesting point "The difference between finance, management consulting, and engineering is that the first two fields have status hierarchy, and the third one doesn’t."

19:31:24 assbot: On Secretly Terrible Engineers | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATuK4o )

19:32:33 punkman: decimation: plenty of hierarchy, just not very coherent when observed from distance

19:33:19 decimation: punkman: yeah that's a good point. the outside visibility on a superficial level is somewhat obscure

19:35:32 kakobrekla: BingoBoingo> Studying CS would be a fine path if only the studiers would accept being deprived of computers until their 30's < hehe my old man was writing code years before he first saw a computer.

19:35:56 adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#663732

19:35:56 assbot: Logged on 07-05-2014 02:02:08; gribble: The Story of Mel - Catb.org: http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html; The Story of Mel: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~elb/folklore/mel.html; The Story of Mel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Mel

19:36:10 ben_vulpes: decimation: all i know is how to google shit.

19:38:03 decimation: I suppose that part of the problem really is that humans need a few more generations to sort out how to have a 'status hierarchy' for programmers

19:40:01 ben_vulpes: i don't know about that. generally working with any given individual for a few months is enough to suss out their competence.

19:42:00 ben_vulpes: this also entails delegating projects of various scope in different domains to them and then carefully reviewing delivered code and user-facing features.

19:42:26 ben_vulpes: but really it comes back to the wot.

19:42:44 ben_vulpes: buenos dias

19:43:29 mircea_popescu: hola zorro

19:45:16 mircea_popescu: the daily wtf comes to us from eliza i. http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-womans-job/#comment-112565

19:45:16 assbot: The woman's job. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvRvDK )

19:46:11 mircea_popescu: "You beast! You will pay hand over fist, you and the [Romanian political party]'s newspaper The Power that allows you to shit your dirty shit! This time you're fucked! See you in court garbage!"

19:46:21 mircea_popescu: fancy that.

19:46:44 mircea_popescu: ironically, those people like me about as much as us democrats like ron paul.

19:50:00 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-mining-gains-in-difficulty-network-grows-stronger/

19:52:09 mircea_popescu: that was the receiving end. the providing end however, http://dpaste.com/1CPDMJY

19:52:10 assbot: dpaste: 1CPDMJY ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvSaF2 )

19:52:54 decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html < "Guest: And that--I do want to keep defending Buchanan. What Buchanan's worried about is a monolithic Leviathan. Because he thought, once you have a state, it will just eat all of the other choices. It will pull all of them inside, like a sort of great vortex. All of the choices will become public because that's the way that states work. That's the logic, is to expand.

19:52:56 assbot: " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvSgN2 )

19:52:56 decimation: Which is why he wanted private groups."

19:52:59 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is jonathan buckwheat.

19:54:10 mircea_popescu: heh if only. in fact, the state doesn't pull all choice into becoming public. that's an insanely optimistic view of the process. the state pulls public choice into meaninglessness, and then ruins all alternative.

19:54:22 cazalla: pete_dushenski, not sure my comment went through but fyi, the bitcoin center ny is getting into incubating startups if you didn't know already :)

19:56:48 pete_dushenski: cazalla not only did i not realise that, but your comment was definitely caught up on the spamhole so thx for the heads up !

19:57:04 cazalla: prolly because i included a link

19:57:50 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard mais merci !

19:57:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:57:56 cazalla: your spambot clearly works if it labels pivoting to incubating startups as spam

19:57:57 pete_dushenski: cazalla no doubt :)

19:58:03 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

19:58:04 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.02, Best ask: 275.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 275.05, 24 hour volume: 17501.41698256, 24 hour low: 271.61, 24 hour high: 279.39, 24 hour vwap: None

19:58:14 mircea_popescu: none ?! what teh shit.

19:58:44 pete_dushenski: mebbe vwap measuring sv bitcoin start-ups

19:58:51 pete_dushenski: measures*

19:59:04 mircea_popescu: lol

20:00:05 pete_dushenski: scoop-a-loop: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/08/bitcoin-is-unfair-thats-the-point-and-so-it-shall-remain/

20:00:06 assbot: Bitcoin is unfair. That’s the point and so it shall remain. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvT4Bu )

20:00:41 mircea_popescu: i like that he's doing at least one a day.

20:03:17 mircea_popescu: and to top it all off : http://38.media.tumblr.com/23c332feb8bc5b13e17d084ba8ca5df2/tumblr_mxr5mixX1T1t52lk3o2_250.gif

20:03:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvTpnI )

20:03:23 mircea_popescu: this has been your morning installment of daily wtf.

20:03:53 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2015#1045381 << lol

20:03:53 assbot: Logged on 07-03-2015 15:47:58; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ethyl ?

20:04:48 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'm guessing that's 'daddy' and not 'daniel' ;)

20:05:33 mircea_popescu: such a perfect mirror for the peak of l'aile ou la cuisse

20:06:20 pete_dushenski: when was this peak ?

20:06:36 pete_dushenski: this is the movie you're referring to ?

20:06:51 mircea_popescu: ;;google "l'aile ou la cuisse"

20:06:51 gribble: L'aile ou la cuisse (1976) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074103/; The Wing or the Thigh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wing_or_the_Thigh; A.O.C. L'aile ou la Cuisse | Home: http://aocnyc.com/

20:06:54 mircea_popescu: ^

20:07:28 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc2Ln2wYwi0 << check out that merc 600 !

20:07:29 assbot: l 'aile ou la cuisse - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvTLL9 )

20:07:47 mircea_popescu: mhm

20:07:52 mircea_popescu: funes knew shit.

20:07:52 pete_dushenski: as driven by idi amin, etc.

20:08:11 pete_dushenski: looks like !

20:08:31 mircea_popescu: ima review it now. apparently i haven't.

20:09:03 pete_dushenski: nice.

20:09:11 pete_dushenski: i have cold hand luke on the schedule for today.

20:09:39 pete_dushenski: looking forward to finding a story worth exploring therein

20:17:57 decimation: pete_dushenski: did you see the top gear where they review the 'dictator class' mercs?

20:18:36 pete_dushenski: ooo i want to say yes but can't recall exactly!

20:18:46 pete_dushenski: newer mercs ? older ones ?

20:19:22 pete_dushenski: http://www.bbcamerica.com/top-gear/guide/season-11/episode-5/ << this ?

20:19:23 assbot: Episode 5 | Season 11 | Episode Guide | Top Gear | BBC America ... ( http://bit.ly/1ATAFGA )

20:20:57 decimation: heh there were a few I guess

20:21:06 decimation: it was an older one, clarkson claimed he owned it

20:21:41 decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVDKztQ-n1U < clips of the Mercedes grosser

20:21:43 assbot: Grosser vs. Corniche: Old Car Challenge Part 1 - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvUXOz )

20:23:52 pete_dushenski: ya, jeremy has/had one, often whined that new window switches were $5k or something

20:24:40 pete_dushenski: pretty sure gaddafi had one as well. pol pot too

20:24:41 decimation: hehe yeah, well it's pretty much a museum piece

20:25:07 pete_dushenski: driveable art !

20:25:39 decimation: there's a somewhat similar market for 'restored' wwii aircraft

20:25:47 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: my understanding is that folks who own machines like this, either become amateur machinists or cultivate a relationship with an actual machine shop

20:26:09 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's a surprisingly common 'old man hobby' where i live

20:26:11 pete_dushenski: or... have one in-house

20:26:39 pete_dushenski: well, old men have little else to occupy themselves with so they're always in search of projects

20:26:42 asciilifeform: folks with 2,3,4+ classic cars under leather skins in their yard, in various states of repair

20:26:56 asciilifeform: and a mazerati's worth of cnc gear in the cellar

20:27:25 pete_dushenski: it's definitely ambitious in its own way

20:27:41 decimation: asciilifeform: the thing that gets me, is that what percentage of the 'car' was actually original?

20:27:50 decimation: at some point, are you just driving a replica?

20:28:00 asciilifeform: decimation: usually all of the visible parts and as much of the engine as can be helped

20:28:38 asciilifeform: (these folks are generally preoccupied with the authenticity of the engine, unlike, e.g., the famous cuban mechanics, because that's actually the part they imprinted on as children)

20:28:52 pete_dushenski: original or hand-made, either or a combination of the two are desirable.

20:29:21 pete_dushenski: and cubans could desire authenticity all they want and it still won't happen

20:29:40 pete_dushenski: like french croissants or beluga caviar

20:30:15 pete_dushenski: for usians, authentic parts are available, if expensive or just plain hard to find

20:31:11 decimation: I recently toured a 'restoration' shop where they rebuild wrecks from wwii

20:31:41 decimation: old men pay top dollar for these things, some of which were found as a wreck in the jungle. the end result has maybe 30% 'original' parts

20:32:45 pete_dushenski: there are barn-find ferrari *shells* that go for millions

20:35:27 pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/classic-cars-france-farm-fetch-millions-ferrari

20:35:29 assbot: Classic cars found in French farmhouse expected to fetch millions | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvWaoZ )

20:36:37 decimation: interestingly, for the aircraft they pound out the frame using hammer press machines

20:37:31 decimation: I asked 'why don't you just use a cnc mill to shape the parts'. the answer: 1.) they apparently don't 'do' computers and 2.) the aircraft were all half-ass made to the blueprints anyway, often with 'by hand' adjustments

20:39:22 pete_dushenski: and today boeing outsources its parts to asia and... gets fucked.

20:39:55 pete_dushenski: there's much to be said for controlling your supply chain and having it in your backyard/garage/basement

20:40:28 fluffypony: my supply chain is in my fridge

20:40:40 decimation: pete_dushenski: it's hard for the 'capitalists' to refuse china's offer to 100% subsidize their manufacturing business

20:41:07 ben_vulpes: <decimation> I asked 'why don't you just use a cnc mill to shape the parts'. the answer: 1.) they apparently don't 'do' computers and 2.) the aircraft were all half-ass made to the blueprints anyway, often with 'by hand' adjustments << uh yeah that's how hand machining worked

20:41:23 pete_dushenski: fluffypony lol which is stocked by your better half, i imagine ?

20:41:34 fluffypony: exactly!

20:42:10 pete_dushenski: that's a lot of trust there.

20:42:13 decimation: ben_vulpes: yes, and granted many of these parts had complex curve shapes

20:42:32 pete_dushenski: decimation except boeing is tbtf

20:42:41 pete_dushenski: they're not capitalist in any sense of the term

20:42:46 pete_dushenski: they're usg through and through

20:42:57 pete_dushenski: so why not 'create jobs' ?

20:43:02 decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah that's why I put the scare quotes :)

20:43:16 decimation: boeing is in the business of being various state's bitch

20:43:38 pete_dushenski: unless of course this is a case of, like mp's observation on the decline of the british empire, there being no good men left to do what has to be done

20:43:55 pete_dushenski: no men of morals left in the states, work gets shipped abroad

20:44:42 decimation: I think there might be some of that, but I also doubt that britian's 'good men' could get much done trapped in the crazy monkey house of a modern us bureaucracy

20:45:48 pete_dushenski: sure, i'm not saying it's entirely the fault of the men in the context of their work, but it is their fault in the context of the systems of governance they support

20:46:18 pete_dushenski: so americans support welfare and free shit, so no one bothers to get up for work.

20:46:32 decimation: yes. for instance, the fact that the bond market in the us freaked out because a semi-good jobs report might imply that the fed might begin 'targeting' higher rates

20:46:38 pete_dushenski: to the extent that they don't have to, that no one is holding a gun to their head and they aren't starving, why bother ?

20:47:06 pete_dushenski: decimation there's no cause and effect there.

20:47:16 pete_dushenski: jobs reports have fuck all to do with anything.

20:47:31 pete_dushenski: heh the montly mpex reports matter more.

20:47:43 decimation: of course not, but direct government interventions do

20:47:47 mircea_popescu: scoopbot

20:48:28 decimation: the amusing bit is that folks think they are trading in a 'free market', but then actually act like they are scared government lackeys

20:49:13 pete_dushenski: scared of government lackeys how ?

20:50:18 decimation: well, when you are trading on the wholly-owned 'usd-coin' platform, it's easy to be scared when usg decides to tinker with various model parameters mid-flight

20:51:46 pete_dushenski: it seems to me that, at this point certainly, there's more general fear when there *isn't* tinkering

20:51:51 pete_dushenski: daily, if possible.

20:53:29 decimation: well, the other part of this issue is that the fed isn't tinkering alone, you also have the euros doing what they do

20:54:14 decimation: the idea that anyone could 'consider the implications' of whatever decision they make in the matter of bank interest rates, money supply, etc is pretty lulzy

20:54:44 pete_dushenski: "because history never happened and things are different now"

20:54:48 pete_dushenski: right.

20:54:53 decimation: pretty much yeah

20:55:44 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski http://fraudsters.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/

20:55:45 assbot: L'aile ou la cuisse pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5vy6f )

20:56:11 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu jesus christ on a cross you're fast. like seriously.

20:56:20 mircea_popescu: actually i took a break.

20:56:50 pete_dushenski: you would ;)

20:58:16 mircea_popescu: lol

20:59:19 pete_dushenski: so -assettes, anyone have any restaurant recommendations for jamaica ?

20:59:52 pete_dushenski: i enjoyed the ones you gents sent for oz :D

21:01:01 pete_dushenski: feel free to pgp-gram or ;;later tell if you've been to the home of usain bolt and.... other fast runners.

21:02:31 decimation: pete_dushenski: I presume you aren't going to one of those 'all-inclusive' resorts populated by the usian middle class?

21:03:20 pete_dushenski: not until one of them makes food that isn't better used on livestock

21:03:32 decimation: heh

21:03:42 pete_dushenski: if i'm going to do that to myself, i'll hop on a cruise ship

21:03:52 pete_dushenski: at least see a few different ports :)

21:04:14 decimation: yeah I did that once, the scant few hours at port makes it difficult to see anything other than the usual tourist garbage

21:05:04 decimation: and the food was mediocre in quality, but great in quantity

21:05:08 mircea_popescu: what cow eats that stuff!

21:05:09 pete_dushenski: mostly, yes, but it depends both on the size of the ship and where the ports are.

21:05:25 pete_dushenski: usg'ers !

21:06:31 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or cultivate a relationship with an actual machine shop << this is how itworked in the 80s too lol. a guy had to have relatiuons with mechanics.

21:06:39 mircea_popescu: just like a woman had to have relations with beauticians.

21:06:51 decimation: mircea_popescu: http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/news/press/ontape.htm " When she first recorded a deer eating nestlings, she wondered if they would eat eggs, too. She incorporated the help of a captive deer at the research center to find out. "We presented it [captive deer] with a few quail eggs -- just to see what it would do -- and it munched them right up."

21:06:52 assbot: 'Herbivores' busted preying on bird nests ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHAv04 )

21:07:11 decimation: apparently 'herbivores' are more than happy to eat little packages marked 'free protein'

21:07:13 pete_dushenski: decimation sounds like a normal cruise experience ! some islands are built up exclusively for tourists, but in real cities, whether shanghai or split, you can at least walk for a few hours in one direction and still have room to explore

21:08:34 decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah but 'real places' generally cost $$$, which is why cruises avoid them

21:08:46 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu sorta the best way to not get anally gaped by mech/beautician.

21:08:54 decimation: for instance, my cruise ship also had a port of call on "Hispaniola"

21:08:57 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/

21:09:21 pete_dushenski: no relationship (dealership): $225/hr, relationship (small shop): $110/hr.

21:09:31 mircea_popescu: <decimation> the end result has maybe 30% 'original' parts << old men don't want the original parts of their wife, they just want a construct that looks like the wife did, in 72.

21:09:50 pete_dushenski: decimation depends on your budget really.

21:10:03 pete_dushenski: and timing.

21:10:17 decimation: turns out, this is a private peninsula of hati, wholly owned by royal caribbean. since it would be far too dangerous for the locals to serve up the vittles, the entire crew disembarked to operate the various bars and amusements on the 'beach'

21:10:34 pete_dushenski: i went on a cruise of se asia in 2002 when the post-9/11 deals made it... affordable.

21:10:41 decimation: meanwhile the surrounding seas were littered with shipwrecks

21:11:13 pete_dushenski: lol that's actually pretty funny.

21:11:23 pete_dushenski: sounds like disneyland or somethign.

21:11:27 pete_dushenski: something*

21:12:00 decimation: http://www.cruisecheap.com/cruise-lines/royal-caribbean-labadee.html < the glossy sheets still sell it as 'hispaniola'

21:12:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHBKN5 )

21:12:43 decimation: mircea_popescu: re: old parts < yeah, especially since this particular shop specialized in making 'flyable' aircraft

21:12:45 mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> my supply chain is in my fridge << you eat molds ?

21:14:09 decimation: http://www.cruiselawnews.com/tags/labadee/ "The cruise line has been criticized for erecting a barb-wire fence around the resort to keep the Haitians out (photo right),"

21:14:11 assbot: : labadee : Cruise Law News ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5zi7I )

21:14:49 mircea_popescu: <decimation> I think there might be some of that, but I also doubt that britian's 'good men' could get much done trapped in the crazy monkey house of a modern us bureaucracy << no, but they wouldn't be, see ? that's the very definition. "good men" is, obama comes and derps, they point and laugh, obama calls the national guard, they shoot it dead.

21:16:01 mircea_popescu: <decimation> the amusing bit is that folks think they are trading in a 'free market', but then actually act like they are scared government lackeys << quite!

21:17:09 mircea_popescu: dude pete_dushenski's cruizin' all over the world, buyin' cars and shit, but not conference ?!

21:17:32 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

21:17:33 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.47, Best ask: 275.48, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 275.6, 24 hour volume: 15922.63362314, 24 hour low: 271.61, 24 hour high: 278.73, 24 hour vwap: None

21:17:36 pete_dushenski: I SAID I HAVE A WEDDING THAT WEEKEND !

21:17:41 pete_dushenski: not mine, mind.

21:17:44 mircea_popescu: NO!1

21:17:54 mircea_popescu: whose then, your wife's ?!

21:17:56 pete_dushenski: YES!

21:18:05 mircea_popescu: i guess mike gets it at 275, there being no average o.O

21:18:18 pete_dushenski: lol that was supposed to be for the NO...

21:18:40 mircea_popescu: !b 7

21:18:41 assbot: Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3YC2RDT.txt )

21:18:49 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1950/275

21:18:49 gribble: 7.09090909091

21:18:57 pete_dushenski: it's some good friends that're getting married.

21:19:09 pete_dushenski: they'd have to be, amirite ?!

21:19:31 mircea_popescu: ya lol

21:20:29 pete_dushenski: the 4th is already mentally marked in the calendar

21:20:51 pete_dushenski: so barring births, deaths, or more weddings...

21:21:43 mircea_popescu: lol you're at the wrong age tho. prolly get 12-20 ppl marry a year.

21:22:40 pete_dushenski: well, not much i can do about that, is there.

21:22:56 pete_dushenski: other than totally hermitise myself.

21:23:23 pete_dushenski: although jeez, after ditching facebook and a smartphone, i seem to be moving in that direction.

21:23:40 mircea_popescu: <decimation> and the food was mediocre in quality, but great in quantity << in the 90s it was the best thing for avg romanian chick, work the cruise ships.

21:24:51 pete_dushenski: i've met one or two romanian dudes working on cruises, ex-gynmast or w/e cum 'fitness trainers'

21:25:33 mircea_popescu: yup

21:25:52 pete_dushenski: they slayed hard.

21:25:59 decimation: mircea_popescu: the one I was on was crewed mostly by filipinos. I think the different cruise lines 'specialize' in different 'third world' recruitment

21:26:36 mircea_popescu: i think so yea

21:26:45 mircea_popescu: ;;ud slay hard

21:26:46 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slay | slay. to mercilessly fuck, bone and or screw a shady/skanky girl. 1) I would definately slay that chick! 2) I slayed the fuck out of that hoocker last night! 3) Slay that ...

21:26:56 mircea_popescu: hm.

21:27:09 decimation: at any rate, a shapely young lady could probably make decent money working the bar on a cruise ship

21:27:18 mircea_popescu: or anything else.

21:27:24 decimation: heh true

21:27:28 mircea_popescu: from what i hear, buncha old derps.

21:27:32 mircea_popescu: with money.

21:27:36 pete_dushenski: i sweat the young attractive men do better on those ships

21:27:43 pete_dushenski: swear*

21:27:49 mircea_popescu: outright prostitution is contentious, but then again this was pre viagra. couldn't get it up anyway.

21:28:04 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski of course. women 3x, and they CAN get it up.

21:28:37 pete_dushenski: older husbands have long since lost interest, spend the day at port on the golf course.

21:29:24 pete_dushenski: young romanian fitness trainer or whatever is the perfect match.

21:29:39 decimation: pretty much the same model as the 'luxor centre for internet businessmen'

21:30:52 mircea_popescu: well no. romanians don't wanna marry, arabs don't wanna fuck.

21:32:47 mircea_popescu: "I?d honestly thought that such derpage was dead and buried"

21:32:50 mircea_popescu: ahahaha WHAT!

21:33:12 pete_dushenski: what, i live a sheltered existence.

21:33:21 pete_dushenski: no reddit, little twitter.

21:33:32 mircea_popescu: dude... it'll be 2050, wot long in firm control, random nobody at the fringe of the world will STILL be starting webwallets / writing bitcoin hate pieces.

21:33:41 pete_dushenski: no one i talk to irl would dare be so derpy to my face.

21:33:44 pete_dushenski: so...

21:33:51 mircea_popescu: and it will still all be stolfi level. and they will STILL not know how fucking old the stolfi bs is.

21:34:43 pete_dushenski: eh, let me add my quarterly nail to the coffin wouldja ?

21:34:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, the fact that it's changing from "o bitcoin will never succeed" to "o we missed the boat so unfair" is quite pleasant.

21:35:07 pete_dushenski: myea i'm enjoying the same.

21:35:21 pete_dushenski: this piece marked that transition to my eye.

21:36:59 mircea_popescu: is Nick Spanos the figurehead for the kenna scammer or am i confused ?

21:37:12 pete_dushenski: i wanna say they're unrelated

21:37:25 pete_dushenski: spanos is, afaik, an isolated entity.

21:38:06 pete_dushenski: he's known merely as "mr. i know everything there is to know about bitcoin" henceforth and forever more.

21:38:23 mircea_popescu: no, my bad. http://fraudsters.com/2013/children-and-their-delusions-today-jared-kenna-and-ryan-singer/

21:38:24 assbot: Children and their delusions. Today, Jared Kenna and Ryan Singer pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHH1UQ )

21:38:28 mircea_popescu: it's ryan singer.

21:38:41 pete_dushenski: huh never heard of singer.

21:38:57 mircea_popescu: derps ran off with the tradehill customer funds, bought some office space.

21:39:15 mircea_popescu: ?I feel like a martyr?a Bitcoin martyr,? he told me. ?We?re bleeding out.?

21:39:16 mircea_popescu: lolk.

21:39:17 pete_dushenski: ah the "btc fell on the ground" guys, right ?

21:39:44 pete_dushenski: at least that's what i associate with tradehill

21:39:50 mircea_popescu: where's that neobee schmuck

21:40:00 mircea_popescu: not the danny guy, the other one, the greek who was behind it all.

21:40:10 pete_dushenski: the one you killed !

21:40:20 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they claimed circle defrauded them, threatened to sue. never sued, disappeared.

21:40:50 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski no no. there was this pic at some conference. the fall guy (denny idiot), the sucker (some local professor) and the actual scammer

21:41:07 mircea_popescu: a phtisic looking jailbird.

21:42:08 pete_dushenski: hm dunno

21:42:54 pete_dushenski: "Ex-marine Jered Kenna has to be one of the most perseverant entrepreneurs in bitcoin. After his exchange TradeHill fell apart not once but twice, he also lost bitcoin.com – the flagship domain for the digital currency." << perseverant and retarded.

21:43:14 pete_dushenski: like the seagull that keeps flying into the window of the skyscraper

21:43:30 mircea_popescu: it was never his.

21:44:08 pete_dushenski: wasn't it that argentinian guy's and he sold the domain to gox ?

21:44:17 pete_dushenski: or was that bitcoinS.com

21:44:26 mircea_popescu: dude impressive, that guy managed to get the pic supressed ?

21:45:18 ben_vulpes: hey does anyone have a link to a multisignature transaction in the main chain?

21:46:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-12-2013#407076 ahh sweet two years ago.

21:46:42 assbot: Logged on 05-12-2013 03:49:11; snackman: LOOOOL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129544.msg1480792#msg1480792

21:51:16 pete_dushenski: just found the business card for the bitcoins.com guy, rodolfo andragnes. he claimed to have sold the domain to mt gox in 2011 for $100k, half cash, half btc.

21:51:49 pete_dushenski: now, he's "founding member of fundacion bitcoin argentina"

21:52:11 pete_dushenski: he might've given away a few too many coins...

21:57:17 mircea_popescu: lol looking for it i stumbled on http://fraudsters.com/2013/like-a-baws/

21:57:18 assbot: Like a baws pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHKRxg )

21:57:24 mircea_popescu: anyway, i have the pic archived.

21:59:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00033737 = 2.3279 BTC [-]

22:00:14 jurov: http://www.coindesk.com/why-bitcoin-regulation-lags-where-its-needed-most/ so they want *african* governments to start regulating bitcoin nao???

22:00:15 assbot: Why Bitcoin Regulation Lags Where it's Needed Most ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiBZtb )

22:00:24 *: jurov stares incredulously

22:01:03 pete_dushenski: equal outcomes for all !

22:01:15 pete_dushenski: because reasons.

22:01:38 pete_dushenski: http://media.coindesk.com/2015/03/bitpesa.jpg << tho these doods look epically stoked.

22:01:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiC93M )

22:01:47 jurov: well... and papua tribes should start regulating it, too

22:02:30 jurov: that's remarkable pic

22:05:38 mircea_popescu: jurov they're not racist, they just don't like that kinda people.

22:05:54 mircea_popescu: when niggers do it, it's suddenly obvious how unsufferable it is.

22:09:20 mircea_popescu: https://i.imgur.com/sPNsgpt.jpg << there we go.

22:09:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiDlUU )

22:09:37 mircea_popescu: grigorios papageorgios.

22:11:19 mircea_popescu: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/neo-bee-andreas-antonopoulos-tuur-demeester-share-views/ << and the fall guy operation lol.

22:11:20 assbot: Neo & Bee: Andreas Antonopoulos and Tuur Demeester share their views - CryptoCoinsNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1MiDAzf )

22:12:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53950 @ 0.00032612 = 17.5942 BTC [-] {2}

22:24:57 pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats

22:25:01 gribble: Current Blocks: 346774 | Current Difficulty: 4.74275549506483E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 348767 | Next Difficulty In: 1993 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 5 hours, 26 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 52773794424.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.27243

22:27:07 pete_dushenski: ;;nethash

22:27:08 gribble: 343957129.799

22:28:28 Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046316

22:28:28 assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 21:08:57; scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/

22:28:54 Pierre_Rochard: On the subject of french movies, mircea_popescu & pete_dushenski have you seen jean reno’s les visisteurs?

22:29:18 pete_dushenski: have not..

22:30:41 mircea_popescu: me either.

22:30:44 mircea_popescu: !up gabrielradio_

22:31:56 pete_dushenski: so... #bitcoinwomensday is a thing.

22:32:28 pete_dushenski: because if we want things that don't make sense, they'll happen.

22:33:05 mircea_popescu: how is it "a thing"

22:33:47 pete_dushenski: to the extent that twitter trends are "a thing"

22:34:06 pete_dushenski: ya, not a thing as much as a ripple in the ocean, as it were

22:34:36 Pierre_Rochard: I highly recommend it, I don’t doubt you’ll find the bourgeoisie vs aristocracy commentary amusing, and christian clavier is hysterical

22:35:10 mircea_popescu: added.

22:35:23 pete_dushenski: same here !

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23:59:10 asciilifeform: other than totally hermitise myself << ahahaha, works for me

23:59:43 asciilifeform: a guy had to have relatiuons with mechanics << i do (and my whole family). fella's from argentina, incidentally.