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00:02:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60399797 BTC [+]

00:03:46 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/this-could-be-a-baby-geep-a-rare-sheep-goat-hybrid-1560279115

00:03:47 ozbot: This Could Be a Baby Geep, a Rare Sheep-Goat Hybrid

00:05:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo guy doesn't understand genetics.

00:05:32 mircea_popescu: black women happily married to black guys occasionally give birth to perfectly fair, blue eyed caucasian babies, doesn't automatically mean they've been porking the milkman.

00:06:06 BingoBoingo: Of course

00:06:06 cgcardona_: http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/48257846.jpg

00:06:49 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ lol

00:06:55 cgcardona_: :-]

00:14:39 BingoBoingo: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-05/former-abn-banker-schmittmann-wife-daughter-found-dead-at-home.html

00:14:39 ozbot: Ex-ABN Banker Schmittmann, Wife, Daughter Found Dead at Home - Bloomberg

00:18:26 BingoBoingo: Cognitive Mining: http://valleywag.gawker.com/give-a-child-30-million-for-a-startup-keep-waiting-fo-1555561654/+sarah-hedgecock

00:21:54 steven-__: http://www.vice.com/read/the-tanzanian-albino-hunt

00:21:55 ozbot: The Fight to Stop Tanzania's Witch Doctors Butchering Albino People | VICE United States

00:22:37 asciilifeform: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-07/silicon-valley-cooks-to-housekeepers-facing-home-eviction.html

00:22:37 ozbot: In Silicon Valley, a New Investment: Eviction - Bloomberg

00:22:56 asciilifeform: (re: politics of housing in usa, bezzle-dollars, etc.)

00:25:04 MGK: Anyone interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?

00:26:45 asciilifeform: 'One in four renters now spend more than half of their income on housing, up from one in five a decade ago, according to a 2013 .... '

00:26:53 asciilifeform: (usa)

00:30:51 mircea_popescu: MGK maybe nubbins`

00:31:19 nubbins`: mmm?

00:32:15 MGK: nubbins you interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?

00:32:32 nubbins`: what year and holo?

00:32:37 MGK: I can make a thread on btc talk and post pictures if you like, asking only 1.5

00:32:46 MGK: I believe its on 13

00:33:21 MGK: I have to be honest, Idont know much about them. I bought it off of NightOwl about 2 months ago

00:33:30 cgcardona_: pics?

00:33:46 MGK: 1min I will take some now

00:33:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.055 = 0.55 BTC [-] {2}

00:34:53 MGK: yes its 2013

00:35:03 MGK: brass

00:35:19 cgcardona_: I recently did some research on casasius coins http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21kryh/potentially_25101_unspent_casascius_coins/ and http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21nmck/sorted_25101_casascius_coins_by_denomination/

00:35:28 cgcardona_: *casascius

00:35:28 nubbins`: not too interested in the 2013 brass -- now if you could find me a 2011 series-2 1btc brass, on the other hand...

00:35:55 cgcardona_: high level summary—there are potentially 25101 unspent out of 65,000 ish

00:35:56 MGK: eh well ill save the time taking pics then.

00:36:04 cgcardona_: and then I ran a script to sort them by denomination as well.

00:36:13 MGK: Only have this one left, just sent out my .5 to blazedout this morning

00:36:16 cgcardona_: 6 1000+ unspent coins still out there.

00:36:45 cgcardona_: prob the gold bars I guess though I'm unsure if those were included in the masterlist

00:36:57 cgcardona_: here's the full list https://www.casascius.com/fulllist.txt

00:37:29 MGK: anyone a fan of pawn stars? I have an autographed old man 1oz silver coin lol

00:38:29 cgcardona_: is this what you're talking about but w/ 1 btc loaded on it?

00:38:30 cgcardona_: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348631

00:38:31 ozbot: Casascius 2013 0.5 BTC brass coin BTC 0.69 with shipping

00:38:55 MGK: already sold the .5

00:39:09 cgcardona_: but you have a 1btc?

00:39:17 cgcardona_: and you're asking 1.5 btc?

00:39:42 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ so few huh

00:40:34 cgcardona_: yea i imagine someone swimming around in Casasius coins like the scrooge mcduck of cryptos

00:40:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00099706 = 10.868 BTC [+]

00:41:13 MGK: yes, heres a pic of the 2 coins, if you like I can take another with my name on paper next to them.http://imgur.com/NNyBwbk

00:41:28 cgcardona_: wow +1 to the old man coin

00:42:28 MGK: The crack on the top is from my recliner , it fell in the it and I didnt notice, I reclined it and chipped the top but the coin is still locked in the case, wasnt damaged.

00:42:55 MGK: I like the old man coin too, I just got back from LV about 3 weeks ago and I had to buy a couple.

00:43:24 steven-__: who is that on the old man coin?

00:43:28 cgcardona_: It's a tough one for me because I've not ordered a casasius from anyone other than the source (and then only aluminum ones for promo material alas) so i'm just not sure what I'd do if it wasn't legit (and I promise I'm not calling you a scammer. Just thinking out loud)

00:43:42 MGK: Thats the old man himself!!

00:43:48 cgcardona_: the one and only old man!

00:43:57 cgcardona_: (from pawn stars the show on the history channel)

00:44:08 steven-__: oh I don

00:44:35 cgcardona_: how do transactions like this work? do people just go off of bitcointalk trust scores?

00:44:47 cgcardona_: i've ordered cold wallet kits in the past and went off of that

00:44:58 cgcardona_: *cold storage

00:45:25 MGK: No problem cgcard. I understand your concern and unfortunately theres not much I can do about that besides tell you I got the coin from NightOwl which is a reputable re-seller and was already graded. Ive never been able to actually touch this coin.

00:46:09 cgcardona_: sure—Caveat emptor and all.

00:46:14 cgcardona_: let me think about it. I'm def interested

00:46:23 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ in general, wot scores.

00:46:25 mike_c: ;;ident MGK

00:46:25 gribble: Nick 'MGK', with hostmask 'MGK!42421ed3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.66.30.211', is not identified.

00:46:26 cgcardona_: i want to add some casascius to my cold storage

00:46:27 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust nubbins`

00:46:27 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013

00:46:40 MGK: Yes we would just go off of trust, I just sold a .5 on the forums he sent first and I shipped out this morning insured and tracking etc. Here is the link,https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.msg6112123#msg6112123

00:46:52 cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: oh cool

00:47:00 mircea_popescu: yeah, get in the wot both of ye.

00:47:02 MGK: I can respond to a PM on the forums to prove that is my account also

00:47:20 MGK: I have a few deals on there, 1 for over $10k with Goat

00:48:32 mircea_popescu: gpg works a lot better than forum pms.

00:48:39 cgcardona_: for realz

00:48:55 MGK: Ive heard of that but tbh its confusing, if youd like to walk me thru it I am willing to set it up

00:48:56 cgcardona_: yea let me watch that thread and once he confirms that he got it I'll think about it. thanks

00:49:11 MGK: No problem, he will have it Wednesday.

00:49:17 cgcardona_: cool

00:49:18 mircea_popescu: ;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg

00:49:19 gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/

00:49:24 mircea_popescu: firstthng there

00:50:58 MGK: Anyone interested in a cointerra 2TH/s also I am offering the best price on the forums. If you are in between NY and Denver I can deliver it face to face.

00:51:18 MGK: Alright I promise thats it lol

00:51:25 cgcardona_: that sounds nice. what are you asking for that?

00:51:38 cgcardona_: is it not legit to discuss deals here? sorry . don't want to spam the channel. still new here

00:51:49 BingoBoingo: http://www.vice.com/read/syria-deraa-USA-Jordan-FSA-regime-CIA

00:51:50 ozbot: I Learned to Fight Like an American at the FSA Training Camp in Jordan: America's Role in the Syrian

00:52:38 MGK: Im not sure, Ive been in this chat maybe 3 times. We can take it to private messages if you like.

00:52:54 mircea_popescu: MGK maybe give a look at the gribble maintained orderbook ?

00:53:40 MGK: I don't understand.

00:53:57 mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php

00:54:34 thestringpuller: ;;bids

00:54:34 gribble: (bids [--under] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoin demanded at or over <pricetarget>. If '--under' option is given, find coins or at or under <pricetarget>. If market is supplied, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD.

00:54:39 thestringpuller: ;;sell

00:54:39 gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)

00:55:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]

00:56:07 MGK: Ok I will over look that, thanks.

01:09:21 cgcardona_: yea I'm still waiting on my freaking piper wallet to arrive. It's been a month since I paid for it and they haven't even sent me a confirmation email. And I've contacted them twice since. :-|

01:09:26 cgcardona_: buyer beware indeed.

01:09:56 asciilifeform: lol at folks taking pre-orders for widgets that aren't baked yet

01:10:05 cgcardona_: yea I guess so.

01:10:31 cgcardona_: all the threads that I read say it's a legit product and that the person who got one was stoked.

01:10:35 cgcardona_: but my experience has been hella poor

01:10:52 cgcardona_: i ordered 500 aluminum casascius and they arrived in like 4 days and I got an email

01:11:09 cgcardona_: i ordered this https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/

01:11:19 cgcardona_: and it arrived in like 3 days and I got a personal email from Canton.

01:11:23 asciilifeform: i still don't get, why collect money unless you're ready to hand a widget over

01:11:32 cgcardona_: nothing.at.all from the piper team

01:11:42 cgcardona_: well to take money from people like me I suppose

01:11:43 cgcardona_: hrm

01:11:57 asciilifeform: cgcardona_: isn't 'piper' just a 'raspberry' with bitcoind loaded?

01:12:01 asciilifeform: you could make it yourself

01:12:10 cgcardona_: yes you're right I can make it myself.

01:12:16 cgcardona_: i'm considering it of course.

01:12:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00099703 = 9.2724 BTC [-]

01:12:34 asciilifeform: (i wouldn't. 'raspberry' is a terrible board)

01:12:35 cgcardona_: also I'm considering just taking their open source hardware and paying a team of people to churn them out and deliver them on time

01:12:44 cgcardona_: i'm sure there's a huge market for something that cool

01:12:44 jborkl: why would you pay for that?

01:13:03 cgcardona_: I think it's pretty cool.

01:13:08 cgcardona_: we'll see if/when it arrives

01:13:10 jborkl: a pi would not even run bitcoind worth a shit

01:13:24 asciilifeform: anyone who wants to can try this now

01:13:30 asciilifeform: (result is quite sad)

01:13:48 jborkl: it would be easier and cheaper to get a free instance on AWS and run bitcoind on it

01:13:59 jborkl: it you were so inclined

01:14:00 asciilifeform: for wallet?!

01:14:05 cgcardona_: not if you're trying to create cold storage from an air locked box

01:14:06 jborkl: no

01:14:06 asciilifeform: lol!

01:14:19 cgcardona_: heh

01:14:23 jborkl: but I would not put my wallet on a pi either?

01:14:30 cgcardona_: the wallets not on the pi

01:14:34 cgcardona_: it's spits out paper wallets

01:14:35 jborkl: so I did not think that applied

01:14:36 kakobrekla: you dont need a bitcoind on a pi

01:14:43 cgcardona_: did you see the video? http://piperwallet.com/

01:14:48 cgcardona_: it's only like 60 seconds

01:15:00 cgcardona_: i think it's a sweet concept

01:15:20 asciilifeform: anyone here own a 'FLIR' scope?

01:15:20 cgcardona_: easier than https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/ which involves me having a dedicaded computer and printer

01:15:25 asciilifeform: and a 'piper'

01:15:27 cgcardona_: this just encapsulates it into one device

01:15:35 asciilifeform: do you see where i'm going with this?

01:15:44 asciilifeform: thermal printer.

01:15:59 asciilifeform: ;;google optical tempest

01:15:59 gribble: Information Leakage from Optical Emanations - applied-math.org: http://www.applied-math.org/optical_tempest.pdf; CRT Eavesdropping: Optical Tempest - Slashdot: http://it.slashdot.org/story/02/03/09/199242/crt-eavesdropping-optical-tempest; Optical Time-Domain Eavesdropping Risks of CRT Displays: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ieee02-optical.pdf

01:16:20 cgcardona_: are you talking about candling?

01:16:24 asciilifeform: except now anyone can read your 'cold wallet' (as it is printed, naturally) from across the street.

01:16:25 cgcardona_: checking the links now

01:16:39 cgcardona_: interesting

01:16:52 asciilifeform: likewise the 'built in rng' is... raspberry's

01:16:57 jborkl: thermal paper tends to degrade over time

01:16:58 asciilifeform: or rather, broadcom's on-chip turd

01:17:05 cgcardona_: now i know why it's taking so damn long. THEY'RE SETTING UP A THERMAL CAMERA ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE

01:17:12 cgcardona_: *sorry for the caps*

01:17:19 *: cgcardona_ snaps off caps lock key

01:17:21 mike_c: asciilifeform: what do you use to generate your wallet?

01:17:26 asciilifeform: thermal tape makes great one-time pads

01:17:36 asciilifeform: burn it with a butane lighter when finished.

01:17:54 mike_c: or, what do you recommend?

01:18:15 asciilifeform: mike_c: i've an analogue rng, feeding /dev/random myself.

01:18:21 mike_c: ah

01:18:47 cgcardona_: i turn on loud music and shake my booty to generate extra entropy myself

01:18:50 asciilifeform: this is not a heroic feat

01:19:38 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/popul_top.jpg

01:19:56 asciilifeform: (yes mp some. not sure what he did with them)

01:20:25 cgcardona_: oh I see that's by my Bizarro world clone cgCARDANO - very nice

01:20:27 asciilifeform: for how it was plugged,

01:20:29 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/

01:20:29 ozbot: Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mirce

01:20:55 jborkl: why not pull a brainwallet, put it on a pi and make your wallet out of a bible verse. They are everywhere and you only have to remember what you part you put in

01:21:16 asciilifeform: jborkl: do this, and let's see how long the contents last

01:21:21 cgcardona_: ha

01:21:36 mike_c: oh, of course. you have access to cardano guts :)

01:21:37 jborkl: ok, I will

01:21:39 cgcardona_: i figured just putting all of my btc behind a 'hello w0rld' brain wallet would be good to go

01:21:41 asciilifeform: how long does it take to move a sliding window across 'gutenberg' archive and bruteforce.

01:22:16 jborkl: I will post up the adress tomorrow

01:22:18 asciilifeform: mike_c: you (and anyone) also have access to analogue rng. open a textbook and pick your favourite...

01:22:33 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ the more formal objection would be that you're trying to construct a bridge through the process of "here are some bricks i found, i wonder which cool way i could stack them together"

01:23:07 mircea_popescu: whilke this approach often creates half-decent "art" (known in this space as lulz) it neve actually makes a bridge.

01:23:22 jborkl: and you assuming you know what I made the address out of, and you would not irl

01:23:51 jborkl: unless I beat it out of you, but that is a whole other story

01:24:01 cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: are you referring to my cold storage comments? (just trying to make the connection with what you're saying)

01:24:27 asciilifeform: beat it out << this is why any apparatus that doesn't include a scram zapper is sad.

01:25:29 mike_c: open a textbook and pick your favourite... << or wait a month and disassemble a cardano.

01:25:53 asciilifeform: mike_c: no need to disassemble. it comes in a clear chassis, with blueprints/sources

01:25:56 jborkl: what is a scram zapper?

01:26:07 mike_c: even better.

01:26:19 asciilifeform: jborkl: a special little gift for folks who want to take your keys by force.

01:26:39 mike_c: it is a countermeasure for rectothermal cryptoanalysis.

01:27:10 asciilifeform: partial countermeasure. like a rifle, it only works if fired.

01:27:46 asciilifeform: i can envision folks telling tales of adventure: '... and then i took my C off its safety...'

01:32:56 mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ nah, to your raspberi pi wallet

01:33:13 cgcardona_: yea that's what I thought you meant. Just wanted to clarify

01:35:03 mircea_popescu: well, "your". just this idle example you made up obivously.

01:37:56 danielpbarron: i have a piper

01:38:06 danielpbarron: but i got mine last year

01:38:31 danielpbarron: i have since ordered some more rolls of paper and I also have not recieved a confirmation email or shipment

01:38:58 cgcardona_: ok well I guess that's 'good' to hear that someone else hasn't received any confirmation recently.

01:39:10 cgcardona_: at least I know i'm not the only one left hanging.

01:39:37 danielpbarron: i heard the piper guy was at one of the conferences recently

01:39:46 danielpbarron: maybe he's too busy to fill orders

01:40:21 cgcardona_: supply != demand. I smell an opportunity.

01:40:55 danielpbarron: i use it to print 1 mBit slips to hand out

01:41:23 danielpbarron: i had to hack it a little to make it stop printing the ugly extra private key and url at the bottom

01:42:12 danielpbarron: but i'm almost out of paper :<

01:42:33 danielpbarron: it's more annoying to not have the paper than to be ripped off for a little coin

01:43:16 cgcardona_: i'm just erked cause I've been wanting to get my coins off of web wallets. I trust no one at this point pretty much.

01:43:31 danielpbarron: you shouldn't use piper to store large amounts

01:43:39 cgcardona_: blockchain.info is pretty good of course. Coinbase has been all kinds of screwy lately.

01:43:48 danielpbarron: yeah don't keep it on coinbase

01:44:21 danielpbarron: i have had sketchy stuff happen with coinbase recently too

01:44:24 cgcardona_: yea I've been having transactions just get stuck in 'pending' for hours cause of their off blockchain stuff.

01:44:30 danielpbarron: yeah

01:44:34 cgcardona_: the first time it happened I moved all my coins to blockchain.

01:44:41 cgcardona_: i was like 'sketch balls!'

01:44:46 danielpbarron: i accidently double sent a transaction, luckily to someone I knew irl

01:44:53 cgcardona_: wow. no way.

01:45:05 danielpbarron: it said it didn't go through the first time

01:45:10 danielpbarron: gave me an error

01:45:24 cgcardona_: ah I see

01:45:25 cgcardona_: gotcha

01:45:51 danielpbarron: wasn't showing up on the blockchain

01:46:18 danielpbarron: i sent a test transaction of 1 mBit and it showed up no problem, so i sent the original transaction again

01:46:35 danielpbarron: shared wallets are sketchy

01:46:59 cgcardona_: yep *cue the 'if you don't have the keys you don't have the btc* mantra

01:48:43 danielpbarron: is anybody familiar with ssss-split and ssss-combine ?

01:54:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00100328 = 25.3328 BTC [+] {2}

01:55:14 nubbins`: ;;view

01:55:15 gribble: #20222 Thu Mar 27 14:19:15 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 2013 1btc silver Casascius 1Ag1 @ 2.3 btc (None)

01:56:50 mike_c: half the btc and double the numismaticness. sounds like a deal!

02:00:01 ThickAsThieves: mp your pilot idea seems like it had some threads missing

02:00:20 ThickAsThieves: i do like the mood of it, though the more "adult" aspects feel a little out of place

02:00:58 ThickAsThieves: it otherwise feels like it could be filmed in the style of Pushing Daises or Better Off Ted

02:01:56 ThickAsThieves: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0925266/

02:03:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 320 @ 0.00083066 = 0.2658 BTC [-] {6}

02:03:53 ThickAsThieves: your blog thinks i am not a human being

02:04:10 ThickAsThieves: i think it's just tricking me to spend more credits reloading!

02:05:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 231 @ 0.01005333 = 2.3223 BTC [-] {11}

02:06:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]

02:07:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1155 @ 0.00082544 = 0.9534 BTC [-] {8}

02:08:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2360 @ 0.00080716 = 1.9049 BTC [-] {7}

02:15:08 B007: credits 18UjWu214iygVkA1umQLZaJ8DRtrpS4mFS anyone who sends me 1 btc gets 1000 btc back

02:16:48 danielpbarron: ;;ratingsystem getrating B007

02:16:48 gribble: This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.

02:18:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2120 @ 0.08299776 = 175.9553 BTC [-]

02:21:45 decimation: ascii - that sv story is full of lulz

02:22:58 asciilifeform: which

02:23:54 decimation: the woes of the rent controlled apartments in palo alto

02:24:06 asciilifeform: ah yes

02:24:34 decimation: This "U visa" amuses me. Someone foriegner commits a crime - and that suddenly qualifies the victem for a US green card??

02:24:49 decimation: the mind reels

02:25:33 decimation: s/victem/victim/

02:26:04 decimation: Not to mention, there are thousands of other localities where $12 an hour easily pays for housing

02:26:25 decimation: why does she have to living in the middle of SV? So that Elon can get a burrito for $6?

02:26:45 asciilifeform: decimation: these people want servants, but won't pay for the servants' quarters

02:26:54 asciilifeform: so they externalise the cost

02:27:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 129 @ 0.0075 = 0.9675 BTC [+]

02:28:43 decimation: just like Mr. Zuckerberg's campaign to import foreign engineer-slaves - who will beg to pay $100k to pay $100k

02:28:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.01 = 0.78 BTC [-] {4}

02:29:04 decimation: They beg to get $100k to pay $100k, in the best case

02:29:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.085 = 0.595 BTC [-]

02:30:41 decimation: perhaps the system will be formalized in the future, when rich socialites will pay to have a position in Google, like the British Army

02:31:05 asciilifeform: mp spoke of this not long ago

02:36:44 decimation: wrt housing: USG pumps 30 year loans; forces banks to give them to everyone; USG is then horrified to find that house-prices have been bid into the sky with 30 year money

02:37:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1095 @ 0.00100212 = 1.0973 BTC [-]

02:38:47 Mats_cd03: sounds like a great way to accelerate inequality and increase renting

02:41:10 decimation: the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings

02:42:48 MisterE: "White House spokesman Jay Carney echoed that sentiment as well, saying, “There is strong evidence suggesting some of these [Eastern Ukrainian] demonstrators were paid.”"

02:45:37 decimation: is the fact that "demonstrators" were paid actually discredit something?

02:45:43 Mats_cd03: ;;later tell mirceau_popescu 'challenge and response' meaning encryption, but more specifically encrypted spread-spectrum signals. many consumer drones are equipped with just wifi or bluetooth, which are comparatively easy to attack

02:45:43 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:50:14 decimation: both wifi and bluetooh are terrbile for low-latency flight control

02:50:16 Mats_cd03: i don't get it, because RC manufacturers have been doing just fine, and wifi/bt is just idiotic unless you live in the sticks and/or want more bandwidth from the unit

02:50:29 Mats_cd03: for... aerial photography, i guess

02:51:52 decimation: RC transmitters use analog FM, no encryption

02:56:49 decimation: nevermind, apparently in the last few years they have started to use 2.4 GHz DSSS and FHSS

03:00:07 decimation: you will never see rc transmitters with custom crypto because of the Wassenaar Arrangement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Arrangement

03:01:59 tg2: most don't use encryption, but some do.

03:07:52 asciilifeform: "Microprocessor microcircuits", "microcomputer microcircuits" and

03:07:52 asciilifeform: microcontroller microcircuits, manufactured from a compound

03:07:52 asciilifeform: semiconductor and operating at a clock frequency exceeding 40 MHz;

03:07:57 asciilifeform: (from wassenaar agreement)

03:08:09 asciilifeform: let's campaign to have this enforced!

03:09:06 asciilifeform: Electro-optical and "optical integrated circuits", designed for "signal

03:09:07 asciilifeform: processing" and having all of the following:

03:09:07 asciilifeform: a. One or more than one internal "laser" diode;

03:09:07 asciilifeform: b. One or more than one internal light detecting element; and

03:09:07 asciilifeform: c. Optical waveguides;

03:09:16 asciilifeform: ---- > your cdrom is banned.

03:10:04 asciilifeform: in fact, taking a laptop on an airplane probably qualifies you for an iternational tribunal as war criminal

03:10:16 asciilifeform: breaking at least 500 of these regulations

03:10:54 artifexd: asciilifeform Can you recommend a reasonably priced hardware rng or an acceptable software rng?

03:11:06 asciilifeform: artifexd: for what purpose?

03:11:39 artifexd: dice rolls. key generation.

03:11:58 asciilifeform: keys to something reasonably valuable?

03:12:26 artifexd: Not right now, but the hope is eventually, yeah.

03:12:53 kakobrekla: rng from cardano clearly.

03:12:58 asciilifeform: i'd be tempted to recommend... mine. but right now i've only a handful of them, and they aren't for sale yet.

03:13:18 asciilifeform: if you live and die by the key, it is worth your time to build your own

03:13:20 asciilifeform: and qualify it

03:13:23 decimation: ascii, of course the bureaucrats love the default to be that everyone is a criminal; you are exempt at their discretion

03:13:55 artifexd: reverse biased diode? geiger counter? Something like that?

03:14:00 asciilifeform: when building rng, consider what is to happen when it fails.

03:14:09 asciilifeform: (does it die silently? what happens to output?)

03:14:28 artifexd: My understanding is that they slowly start generating less random numbers.

03:14:49 asciilifeform: artifexd: rng must be periodically tested

03:14:59 asciilifeform: like any safety-critical system

03:15:06 decimation: nothing can replace analysis by a human brain

03:15:14 artifexd: Is there a standard test?

03:15:18 asciilifeform: there are many

03:15:33 asciilifeform: ;;google diehard rng tests

03:15:34 gribble: Diehard tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diehard_tests; The Marsaglia Random Number CDROM including the Diehard ...: http://stat.fsu.edu/pub/diehard/; Robert G. Brown's General Tools Page - Duke Physics: http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/dieharder.php

03:15:40 decimation: http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/toolkit/rng/index.html

03:15:42 ozbot: NIST.gov - Computer Security Division - Computer Security Resource Center

03:16:07 asciilifeform: don't be the schmuck who builds rng which throws away batches of bits that fail some test

03:16:14 asciilifeform: (as usg wants you to, see 'fips')

03:16:30 asciilifeform: no prizes for describing what this does to the output, statistically speaking

03:17:04 decimation: one cannot say that it makes the output less predictably, anway

03:17:37 artifexd: What kind of rng will the cardano use?

03:17:52 asciilifeform: the one other useful fact is that entropy of (bad rng) xor (better rng) is equal to that of (better rng)

03:18:01 asciilifeform: though, interestingly, this has not been proven rigoriously.

03:18:05 asciilifeform: *rigorously

03:18:41 asciilifeform: artifexd: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rng/hob.png

03:18:43 asciilifeform: that one.

03:18:46 asciilifeform: based on johnson noise

03:19:05 asciilifeform: the ones in the pic haven't their shields yet.

03:21:10 decimation: ascii surely you aren't going to do all the soldering yourself? are you going to use a production house?

03:21:22 asciilifeform: decimation: for the production run - certainly

03:21:43 asciilifeform: did you actually think i would personally bake every unit ?

03:22:25 decimation: you do have a paranoid streak

03:22:47 asciilifeform: consider the purpose of the product.

03:22:47 Mats_cd03: the gold is nice

03:23:20 decimation: I suppose there is very little that an enemy could do to diddle with it

03:23:49 Mats_cd03: do you think theyll be available for purchase in three months

03:23:55 asciilifeform: decimation: (as i will detail at a later time) i am expecting the supply chain to be fucked with

03:24:22 decimation: thus, the encouragement for personal inspection & analysis, I presume?

03:24:44 asciilifeform: that. and we intend to switch part vendors liberally.

03:25:42 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: how long it will take to go from blueprints to production line is not yet known to me

03:25:56 asciilifeform: three months sounds like a reasonably safe, pessimistic figure

03:26:04 decimation: what made you choose "hu bei gold phoenix" for the pcb house? cheap?

03:26:23 asciilifeform: i used a different house before

03:26:24 asciilifeform: american

03:26:27 asciilifeform: it was 35x the cost.

03:26:36 asciilifeform: for roughly the same quality.

03:26:45 decimation: wow

03:27:07 decimation: surely labor doesn't account for that difference

03:27:15 asciilifeform: it's 'the bezzle' again

03:27:25 asciilifeform: at this point nobody has pcbs made in usa except for military contractors

03:27:36 decimation: chinese bezzle is spent on its production industry

03:27:40 asciilifeform: (even they try to go chinese, when they can get away with it)

03:28:01 asciilifeform: don't believe? visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker. they're all decorated with pictures of rockets, tanks, etc

03:28:21 decimation: I guess this is why it only costs $1 to ship anything from hong kong

03:28:54 asciilifeform: phoenix ships 'for free' (well, rolled into the price at any rate)

03:29:07 asciilifeform: everything seems to go on the very next flight, straight to where it is supposed to go.

03:29:46 asciilifeform: now, i hesitate to recommend them 'for everyone' - all i've had done there, is very simple boards.

03:29:46 MisterE: hope the delivered quality is acceptable

03:30:01 asciilifeform: nothing in this particular product is the least bit exotic.

03:30:15 decimation: so just like the us is willing to pay "abused" mexicans to live in palo alto, china is willing to pay to host your factory

03:30:19 MisterE: what are you making asciilifeform ?

03:30:42 asciilifeform: MisterE: http://fraudsters.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano

03:30:58 asciilifeform: MisterE: little widget, co-authored with mircea_popescu

03:31:01 MisterE: out of credits :/

03:31:06 MisterE: cool

03:31:14 decimation: what was your smallest trace pitch? 8 mil?

03:31:26 asciilifeform: yes

03:31:36 asciilifeform: as is traditional

03:31:56 MisterE: it's the super small micro traces that can be problemetic eh?

03:32:03 asciilifeform: not only

03:32:10 asciilifeform: there's the occasional 'via' that isn't

03:32:11 decimation: most board houses specify minimums

03:32:11 MisterE: some ICs requiretraces so close it looks insane

03:32:19 MisterE: ok

03:32:22 asciilifeform: the real bitch is assembly

03:32:32 MisterE: ahh yea

03:32:33 asciilifeform: one can trivially make boards by hand

03:32:37 MisterE: yep

03:32:44 asciilifeform: (i used to. 8 mil and smaller, easy. same process as b&w photography)

03:32:47 MisterE: component insertion is a bitch

03:33:48 asciilifeform: i'd have baked the rng pcbs personally, but on account of them being analogue devices, you can't really characterize them unless you use the same board materials as the final product.

03:33:56 decimation: well, surface mount is a bitch without solder mask

03:34:02 asciilifeform: that too

03:35:55 decimation: well, yeah and the drilling of the holes and inserting of vias would be very difficult by hand on your own board

03:36:16 asciilifeform: i've done it before, when younger and poorer

03:36:21 asciilifeform: but it isn't a good use of time

03:36:22 MisterE: same

03:36:25 MisterE: it's a bitch

03:36:36 decimation: impossible if it's more than 2 layers

03:37:11 decimation: unless you ghetto-stack the boards :)

03:38:16 decimation: did you use orcad or some free cad to design the board? are you a fan of eagle?

03:47:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]

04:09:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00099701 = 20.339 BTC [-] {3}

04:14:17 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/business-as-usual.html

04:14:17 ozbot: ClubOrlov: Business as usual

04:17:44 asciilifeform: 'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences

04:17:44 asciilifeform: will be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because

04:17:44 asciilifeform: functional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.'

04:17:49 asciilifeform: pure gold.

04:35:44 decimation: ascii - secret electronic evidence is a perfect fit for the US confession-based legal system

04:36:19 asciilifeform: decimation: 'n strikes' warez users rule, precedent.

04:54:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00100076 = 34.3761 BTC [+] {2}

04:55:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00100324 = 4.3139 BTC [+]

05:49:25 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560733.0;topicseen

05:49:27 ozbot: I am going to build a true random number generator ...

05:49:43 kakobrekla: artifexd , asciilifeform

05:52:18 kakobrekla: a well i might have jumped the gun, nothing particularly interesting except for the fact of recognizing the problem.

05:54:46 artifexd: I've learned that the raspberry pi has a hardware rng. My current plan is to build use that. I'll Von Neumann it if necessary. Regardless, as soon as I get one, I'll use the tools asciilifeform recommended to measure the entropy.

05:55:11 asciilifeform: artifexd: see if you can learn why the raspi rng is unsuitable for cryptography.

05:55:23 asciilifeform: (hint: same reason as intel's)

05:55:36 artifexd: Backdoored?

05:56:11 kakobrekla: i wonder what the numbers will show.

05:56:24 asciilifeform: the numbers will show... beautiful entropy

05:56:36 asciilifeform: just as the digits of pi, if run through 'diehard', would.

05:56:55 asciilifeform: no statistical test will reveal a malicious rng

05:57:02 asciilifeform: unless the malefactor is dumb as a brick

05:57:37 kakobrekla: how do you eval such result correctly then

05:57:49 asciilifeform: exercise: encipher a consecutive stream of nulls, with aes, using whatever you want as init vector

05:57:54 asciilifeform: run the result through 'diehard'

05:58:06 asciilifeform: you'll get 'better' stats than any genuine rng.

05:58:42 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the statistical tests are for determining sources of 'natural' bias, not enemy action.

05:58:56 asciilifeform: e.g. a bit in a register that's stuck on

05:59:21 asciilifeform: or, when testing prng, any periodicity in the output

05:59:36 asciilifeform: this and related topics have been beaten to death elsewhere.

05:59:36 kakobrekla: and the diehard is exempt from this?

05:59:53 asciilifeform: 'diehard' is just a collection of statistical tests

06:00:02 asciilifeform: there is no mathematical test for 'evil'

06:00:07 asciilifeform: i cannot emphasize this enough

06:00:32 kakobrekla: so you are saying diehard will show a nice numbers on rpi as well

06:00:37 asciilifeform: it will!

06:00:40 asciilifeform: and on the digits of pi

06:00:42 asciilifeform: and 'e'

06:00:44 kakobrekla: thats what im asking.

06:00:51 asciilifeform: it will show beautiful numbers

06:01:16 asciilifeform: but rpi is still unsuitable for cryptography

06:01:22 kakobrekla: so how do you know, for the particular case of rpi, that it is indeed fucked?

06:01:27 asciilifeform: because you cannot, except at great expense, determine what is inside.

06:01:51 artifexd: Hence your recommendation to build my own?

06:01:53 kakobrekla: im not using it myself but i am curious

06:01:55 asciilifeform: correct

06:02:12 asciilifeform: i cannot in good conscience recommend anything that is presently available for sale

06:02:16 asciilifeform: (this will change soon)

06:02:31 asciilifeform: building rng is not hard, and is educational

06:03:09 kakobrekla: so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs

06:03:33 asciilifeform: how do you know ... that it is indeed fucked << all crypto hardware, especially of the single-chip variety, is to be thought of as 'guilty until proven innocent'

06:04:08 kakobrekla: but it is (near?) impossible to prove its good

06:04:15 kakobrekla: you might just not see the bug

06:04:32 asciilifeform: it is indeed impossible to prove, with mathematical rigour, damn near anything

06:04:40 kakobrekla: :D

06:05:00 asciilifeform: we don't even know (to this standard of proof) if a pill against rsa requires factoring

06:05:22 *: asciilifeform has to sleep

06:05:33 kakobrekla: good night

06:05:53 artifexd: Thanks for your expertise!

06:08:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9132 @ 0.00099642 = 9.0993 BTC [-]

06:19:38 dub_: ;;later tell nubbins` whats a trusted canukistani buttcoin shop? hashtag lazyweb

06:19:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:20:53 nubbins`: i know almost all of those words

06:21:09 nubbins`: you trying to exchange btc for cad?

06:21:21 dub: cad->btc yes

06:21:28 dub: not me, friend

06:23:59 nubbins`: cavirtex changed their verification rules recently, can't recall the details

06:24:17 nubbins`: they're the only place i've used in the past, but honestly i don't feel too great about them these days

06:24:38 nubbins`: vault of satoshi is another, but i think lower volume and they trade in doge, so...

06:25:00 dub: damn, if you think of somewhere gribble me, gotta go catch a boat, not sure when ill be back on-grid

06:26:46 nubbins`: no sweat. wish i could give ya better advice

06:27:08 nubbins`: meantime, it's somehow 4am, so i'm off

06:32:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16140 @ 0.00099614 = 16.0777 BTC [-] {2}

07:01:30 twizt: lol

07:01:37 twizt: everyday same shyt

07:01:40 twizt: mjr2

07:18:33 punkman: http://heartbleed.com/

07:18:33 ozbot: Heartbleed Bug

07:19:31 punkman: fucking openssl

07:43:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00099476 = 8.4057 BTC [-] {2}

07:55:07 bounce: hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls.

07:56:10 bounce: asciilifeform: I forgot who mentioned to hook a 10k resistor to a mike in, turn up the gain, and feed that to the entropy pool. how suitable an entropy source is that in your opinion?

07:58:56 kakobrekla: its crappy unless you are fucking 5 hookers at same time to gather the noise

07:59:11 kakobrekla: was discussed before.

08:43:17 keonne: ThickAsThieves: missed opportunity to call it scAMEX

08:43:19 keonne: i lold

08:48:17 keonne: mircea_popescue: I actually havent met Dan Held in person, and my intel is lacking in the hot or not space

08:48:51 keonne: He has a very deep and masculine voice though.

08:50:50 keonne: omg if I see mpoe-pr at the conf, I so am going to get her autograph and ask hope she emasculates me

09:12:05 jurov: i *am* using rpi as a wallet (with electrum), however:

09:12:56 jurov: sd card is encrypted and i always use keyboard connected directly to rpi for passphrase

09:13:50 jurov: i don't connect it to switch, but with patch cable directly to notebook

09:21:43 keonne: ;;gpg info keonne

09:21:44 gribble: User 'keonne', with keyid 7EECABD58314C40C, fingerprint 1EECFCBA5A9A5470B2149FA37EECABD58314C40C, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Apr 8 05:18:18 2014, last authed on Tue Apr 8 05:18:18 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keonne . Currently authenticated from hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com .

09:25:16 kakobrekla: jurov over ethernet?

09:34:00 Guest45980: hey guys, do you know a chart of the hashpower of the whole altcoin space?

09:34:09 Guest45980: sum of all hashpowers of all altcoins

09:40:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00099417 = 19.9828 BTC [-]

09:44:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2412 @ 0.00099531 = 2.4007 BTC [+]

10:04:12 jurov: dexX7: there is much property leftovers from cold war

10:04:27 dexX7: ah

10:04:38 jurov: and it is certainly continuously maintained

10:05:20 jurov: the picture looks like koenigswarte hill here near bratislava

10:07:56 jurov: yea it definitely is. the photo is made from tourist lookout tower next to the installation

10:21:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4298 @ 0.00099531 = 4.2778 BTC [+]

10:30:18 keonne: mircea_popescu: put in a good word for me

10:30:30 mircea_popescu: sec writing brb

10:30:38 keonne: np

10:55:13 jurov: CoinBr going under maintenance, brb in couple hours

11:34:00 bitesak: ;;ticker

11:34:02 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 449.0, Best ask: 450.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 450.95, 24 hour volume: 8774.11284429, 24 hour low: 446.0, 24 hour high: 461.17, 24 hour vwap: 452.12891933

11:50:56 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/gotta-love-that-negro-speak/

11:55:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00099756 = 9.7262 BTC [+]

12:06:32 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves obviously it's just a draft, i wouldn't expect to be filmed verbatim.

12:07:51 mircea_popescu: fraudsters looks for two things to find bots : whether you've actually loaded the page you're commenting on (which can throw it for a loop if the page you load gets expired while you try to comment, but this is indeed rare) and whether youve loaded it very recently (like a few seconds sort of recently).

12:09:18 mircea_popescu: decimation:

12:09:18 mircea_popescu: the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings << HARDLY :)

12:09:26 mircea_popescu: this is like saying it's impossible to use the wot

12:09:31 mircea_popescu: in fact, exactly the same problem.

12:10:19 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 i imagined that's what you probably meant, but i discarded it because it made 0 sense. you don't care what the channel is like, you encrypt the message not the conduit.

12:10:40 mircea_popescu: i can somehow send you email perfectly safely by pastebining it. do the same, alter the firmware to use gpg signed packets.

12:10:49 mircea_popescu: you don't need new hardware for this in any snese.

12:12:18 punkman: you care what the channel is like, or it might just offer up DMA access to the other end

12:13:10 mircea_popescu: that's not the channel :)

12:14:24 mircea_popescu: but anyway, if the thing actually offers dma to all comers, idun see why you'd buy one

12:14:35 mircea_popescu: just you know, redirect as many as you need.

12:16:20 jurov: kakobrekla yes. if someone is in my machine *and* knows what i'm doing on the ethernet port, i'm having bigger problem that some warm wallet

12:16:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform orlov definitely has a point there. bnw style stratification is a definite future available.

12:17:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla maybe point out to him that cardano will likely beat him to market and it'll be cheaper to just wait ?

12:17:46 mircea_popescu: o wait, you're banned, i got no pr and gerald hasn't yet enough of a clue to be here.

12:17:52 mircea_popescu: i guess he gets to waste some more resources.

12:18:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: RE: Negro speak -> The sleeping bag luffa reference most likely refers to the sponges, as most american sleeping bags have cheap synthetic interiors and fillings

12:18:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, but does it feel like the warm comforting feminine touch of the mother, or of the wife ?

12:19:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs << all PROPRIETARY, closed products.

12:19:52 mircea_popescu: like, you know, i'll never eat something i'm not allowed to look at.

12:20:00 mircea_popescu: it can be chocolate truffles for all i care.

12:20:12 jurov: anything else on the shelf contains magnutide more close code than rpi

12:20:18 jurov: *magnitude

12:20:30 mircea_popescu: a not is enough.

12:21:13 mircea_popescu: i never heard of any practical classification of viruses by... size. what diff does it make, 2kb.

12:21:21 ThickAsThieves: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-26920521#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa

12:21:21 ozbot: BBC News - Paralysed men move again with spinal stimulation

12:21:26 jurov: so what. imma gonna fucked someday one way or other

12:22:27 jurov: the openssl shit today... to be 100% sure one'd need to rebuild everything

12:22:58 dexX7: the guys in -dev said updating openssl only is fine

12:23:24 mircea_popescu: jurov wanna hear something funny ? i just paid the largest bonus today, of my entire history in bussiness

12:23:42 mircea_popescu: do you know to whom ? to the guy who nixed upgrade from 10.04 on all my ubuntu systems, because, he said, "meh".

12:23:59 mircea_popescu: guess who never run any broken openssh. possibly the.only.one.on.the.internet.

12:25:22 jurov: that' s just a luck

12:25:59 mircea_popescu: yeah, the first time people do this sort of shit i call it luck.

12:26:09 mircea_popescu: by the fifth or so the bonuses start coming out.

12:45:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0009984 = 15.1757 BTC [+] {2}

12:49:26 mircea_popescu: bounce: hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls. << you needn't wonder. examine the matter plainly : for no appreciable reason, the usg muppets posing as "core devs" started work to meld pki into bitcoin protocol.

12:49:57 mircea_popescu: this was no coincidence, this has been a) deliberately inserted and b) widely and systematically exploited.

12:50:44 mircea_popescu: everyone involved is going to his grave with his tail attached.

12:52:05 mircea_popescu: s/his/this.

13:04:12 truffles: Apocalyptic i didnt think i gave a clear picture of how things went down so ill paste relevant lines

13:05:08 truffles: hmm many lines were exchanged heh

13:06:53 keonne: I think there are two K's in grokking mircea_popescu

13:07:21 keonne: also very glad im lazy and never update my shit, take your rolling releases and stuff them.

13:07:34 mircea_popescu: english has double k's ? what is this, wannabe-italian ?

13:07:35 keonne: definetely luck, and not smarts in my case.

13:07:46 keonne: im pretty sure Heinlein made up the word

13:08:22 keonne: back to reading brb

13:08:48 mircea_popescu: good for him but i ain't double k'ing

13:09:25 mircea_popescu: well unless it's moar dakka or something

13:09:38 keonne: fair enough, we all have principles we need to live by - i respect that

13:10:01 truffles: Apocalyptic i'll copy paste when ure around

13:11:10 mircea_popescu: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RainbowPimpGear

13:11:11 ozbot: Main/Rainbow Pimp Gear - Television Tropes & Idioms

13:11:11 mircea_popescu: lmao

13:14:20 dexX7: do you have any info about real cases were gpg contracts and similar were binding in a legal matter?

13:15:39 keonne: lol

13:16:24 mircea_popescu: dexX7 pgp per se no, but akc is commonly used.

13:16:52 punkman: dexX7: a contract is a contract, it doesn't matter what kind of paper you use, or how you scribble your signature

13:17:14 mircea_popescu: that aside, yes, the court is not at liberty to disconsider it anyway.

13:17:30 mircea_popescu: ie what punkman said.

13:17:44 dexX7: akc?

13:17:59 mircea_popescu: asymmetric key criptography

13:18:05 dexX7: ah

13:19:49 dexX7: punkman: but a contract is worthless, if it could be easily forged

13:21:26 mircea_popescu: that's repudiation, which is a different matter

13:21:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33682 @ 0.00099589 = 33.5436 BTC [-] {2}

13:21:54 mircea_popescu: (ie, to say "i did sign this but it should not bind me because it's a gpg contract" and to say "i never signed this" are different stands in court)

13:25:52 keonne: The point is valid, everyone who’s never tried it before imagines sex in the bushes is a great idea. I know better.

13:25:55 keonne: so true

13:26:14 mircea_popescu: keonne and consider i have the benefit of slaves.

13:26:20 punkman: it's not that bad

13:26:23 punkman: sand is worse

13:26:39 mircea_popescu: "wanna get on your back so as to insulate me from all this shit ? " "sure!"

13:27:07 mircea_popescu: punkman possibly a normal average bath tub is the worst.

13:27:17 mircea_popescu: seawater's pretty bad too.

13:27:30 keonne: yes i lost my virginity on a beach

13:27:55 keonne: besides sand in undesirable locations, pretty sure we were being watched by those who made the beach their home.

13:27:56 truffles: ewww sand in privates

13:28:11 punkman: seawater is weird yeah, screws with the lubrication

13:28:14 keonne: in fact, I know were were being watched, because three came out of the dunes to watch.

13:28:27 keonne: water in general screws with the lubrication

13:28:41 keonne: plus coming in any kind of water is asking for trouble

13:29:04 truffles: not to mention all the parasites that could be in it

13:29:10 keonne: *that are in it

13:29:27 truffles: but for some ppl whats one more disease hehe

13:29:40 mircea_popescu: there's no cunt parasite

13:29:46 mircea_popescu: tho granted that'd be some scary shit.

13:29:57 keonne: the cunt I was with then was a parasite

13:30:14 mircea_popescu: now that's a different story :D

13:30:21 keonne: i really should not be using my real name on here...lol

13:30:35 truffles: thats pretty unique

13:30:48 punkman: I've spotted a nice glass elevaror that's begging for it, only goes 5 floors up though

13:31:04 punkman: *elevator

13:31:15 truffles: to buy or ???

13:31:21 punkman: to fuck in

13:31:24 keonne: ok well i finished the waterfall of an article

13:31:27 truffles: solo?

13:31:32 keonne: now to swim through the river of footnotes

13:34:58 truffles: i just thought its interesting what the house looks like if its 5 floors!

13:36:51 keonne: so is there like a class of people here who do nothing but connect and disconnect all day and never chat? or am I missing something.

13:37:01 truffles: lol

13:37:09 truffles: chat rooms are a new concept to some

13:37:49 ThickAsThieves: mjr1 probly uses an android app or something that wakes everytime he checks his phone

13:38:08 keonne: that makes sense ThickAsThieves i already ignored him though

13:38:14 truffles: lol

13:38:20 truffles: he's an interesting fellow

13:38:23 keonne: Does he contribute to chat? I dont want to miss anything

13:38:25 keonne: ah ok

13:38:35 truffles: creative mind imo

13:38:48 ThickAsThieves: well if it's the normal mjr, he pops in every couple mos

13:39:17 keonne: I unignored, perhaps I was a bit too hasty, and the android explination makes sense

13:39:20 truffles: he peaked at chatting last yr i guess

13:39:26 keonne: lol

13:39:43 truffles: ya he actually spoke a bunch before

13:39:59 truffles: only has 2 blog posts

13:40:06 keonne: seriously tho, learning to screen session is an important part of irc

13:40:10 truffles: some1 should nudge him to do a 3rd

13:40:23 keonne: god dammit my inbox is filled with heartbleed bullshit

13:40:40 truffles: heartbleed?

13:41:09 keonne: http://heartbleed.com/

13:41:10 ozbot: Heartbleed Bug

13:41:30 keonne: can I borrow your rock truffles ?

13:41:40 keonne: i'd like to hide under it

13:41:44 truffles: ha

13:42:00 ThickAsThieves: give an exploit a good name and everyone pays attention

13:42:01 truffles: im stingy

13:42:45 keonne: they even had a logo ready

13:42:46 keonne: lol

13:42:59 dexX7: + a nice landing page

13:43:25 keonne: is it running google analytics

13:44:26 keonne: nope, it would have been hilarious had it been

13:44:46 dexX7: haha yea

13:45:58 truffles: keonne what irc client do u use?

13:47:02 keonne: irssi

13:47:42 keonne: well i connect to a shell, and run irssi inside a screen session

13:47:52 truffles: i prefer mirc

13:47:56 truffles: looks weird

13:48:15 mircea_popescu: punkman make sure you place lookouts outside

13:48:19 mircea_popescu: you'll want the pics

13:48:57 mircea_popescu: keonne guy used to try and organise a ny central park bitcoin group buy thing.

13:49:09 keonne: 5 story elevator doesnt give much time really

13:49:14 keonne: mircea_popescu: mjr ?

13:49:28 mircea_popescu: yea

13:49:45 mircea_popescu: and the point of fucking is going up and down repeatedly, i thought.

13:49:51 keonne: i already unignored him, again i rather not miss interesting chats, i just havent seen anything but connect/dissconnect

13:50:00 keonne: oooh, that explains what im doing wrong

13:50:12 truffles: push the emergency button when reach 5th?

13:50:36 MisterE: hmm heartbleed is nasty

13:50:47 MisterE: truffles: floor 5 1/2?

13:51:17 truffles: i dont, but id watch :D

13:51:27 MisterE: What movie was that?

13:51:34 truffles: nooo

13:51:37 mircea_popescu: keonne in principle ytou can ignore part/join msgs

13:51:41 truffles: im just saying not something id do

13:51:43 MisterE: Being Mircea Popescu? :D

13:51:58 MisterE: Being John Malkovich I think :)

13:52:09 keonne: i could write a script for irrsi i suppose

13:52:13 keonne: but then mjr wins

13:52:21 truffles: i actually think mp sex would appear boring id skip that

13:52:37 bounce: a script to ignore joins/parts?

13:52:58 keonne: oh wait

13:53:00 keonne: even better

13:53:11 bounce: /ignore * CRAP already takes care of it. not a good idea if you're chanop, but if you're not, well, this is freenode. it's full of CRAP.

13:53:11 keonne: "/ignore -channels #chan1,#chan2,#chan3 * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS"

13:53:14 *: mircea_popescu thinks keonne may be a littrle bit dyslexic :D

13:53:26 keonne: mircea_popescu: highly likely

13:54:01 keonne: or just careless

13:55:41 keonne: lets see if I did that right..

13:56:37 keonne: someone say something ?

13:57:38 mircea_popescu: ;;echo hey keonne you broke the ircernets.

13:57:38 gribble: hey keonne you broke the ircernets.

13:57:57 keonne: mircea_popescu: im curious as to why you say that

13:58:11 mircea_popescu: <keonne> someone say something ? <<

13:58:19 keonne: my father and grandfather are dyslexic

13:58:29 MisterE: [20:58:07] MisterD is now known as MisterE

14:02:34 keonne: yeah i fucked somehting up

14:03:18 keonne: mircea_popescu: no i meant the dyslexic comment lol

14:09:49 mike_c: it feels nice to see somebody besides bitcoin getting a public whipping. thanks openssl!

14:11:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.05286545 = 2.0618 BTC [-] {7}

14:12:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [-] {5}

14:12:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00571026 = 1.1535 BTC [+] {15}

14:12:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 106 @ 0.00154721 = 0.164 BTC [+] {4}

14:13:12 MisterE: heh

14:13:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05400024 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2}

14:13:44 MisterE: I'd rather it be something I dont care about like Java or Flash

14:15:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05400024 = 0.432 BTC [-]

14:18:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6268 @ 0.00099158 = 6.2152 BTC [-]

14:21:18 BingoBoingo: MisterE: Java and Flash lack the utility to get hit this hard

14:21:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005845 = 0.1461 BTC [+]

14:22:02 MisterE: true, even a full implosion by either woud be just another meh by now

14:27:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-]

14:27:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.031 = 0.248 BTC [-]

14:28:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03099999 = 0.434 BTC [-] {2}

14:28:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05299999 = 0.318 BTC [+]

14:29:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05299999 = 0.106 BTC [+]

14:32:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05400024 = 0.216 BTC [-]

14:38:40 asciilifeform: in other news, usa is tired of flying to orbit:

14:38:42 asciilifeform: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/03/us/us-russia-relations-nasa

14:38:42 ozbot: NASA to end most activities with Russia - CNN.com

14:40:19 BingoBoingo: To be fair the various space weapons treaties and agreements made spaceflight a much more boring prospect

14:46:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05400024 = 0.432 BTC [-]

14:47:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11008 @ 0.00100116 = 11.0208 BTC [+] {2}

14:48:37 thestringpuller: ;;later tell mod6 I ptfoed. If/when you get this you aren't busy, pm me.

14:49:03 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:49:42 mike_c: it is pretty horrible to run this against one of your servers and watch its memory get dumped to screen.

14:49:42 mike_c: http://pastebin.com/Ajx71rPe

14:49:42 ozbot: [Python] heartbleed ssl test - Pastebin.com

14:49:52 asciilifeform: remaining btc exchanges cleaned in 3, 2, 1...

14:50:22 danielpbarron: made my fraudsters credit payment back and then some by betting on MPOE :D

14:50:54 BingoBoingo: congrats danielpbarron

14:51:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]

14:52:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032099 = 0.1605 BTC [+]

14:52:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0515 = 0.103 BTC [-]

14:53:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05075 = 0.203 BTC [-] {2}

14:55:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032099 = 0.321 BTC [+]

14:55:53 keonne: java? give oracle some time, it is inevitable

14:56:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032099 = 0.1284 BTC [+]

14:56:25 thestringpuller: who needs ssl when you have gpg?

14:58:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04921785 = 0.3445 BTC [-] {4}

14:58:11 asciilifeform: re: openssl - perhaps time for repost:

14:58:12 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299

14:58:13 ozbot: Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice.

14:58:27 keonne: Russia raises price on gas for Ukraine

14:58:27 keonne: See U.S., Russia crew lift off into space

14:58:27 keonne: Russia could invade 12 hours after order

14:58:29 keonne: In 2011, NASA retired its space shuttle fleet, its only means of getting to and from the station.

14:58:42 keonne: "This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years"

14:58:46 keonne: how to math

14:59:29 keonne: if top priority over the last 5 years, why retire the fleet 3 years ago

15:00:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032099 = 0.321 BTC [+]

15:02:22 keonne: wow http://www.journaldunet.com/ebusiness/commerce/patrick-oualid-oualid-monoprix-bitcoin.shtml

15:02:39 keonne: soon to buy stinky cheese and wine for bitcoin

15:03:06 Mats_cd03: "FBI says Russians Out to Steal Ideas From Tech Firms"

15:03:11 Mats_cd03: wut

15:03:31 keonne: monoprix is huge - if you read french i suggest reading that, that CEO knows whats going on

15:03:59 blackwhite: hey guys

15:04:47 Mats_cd03: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.journaldunet.com%2Febusiness%2Fcommerce%2Fpatrick-oualid-oualid-monoprix-bitcoin.shtml&edit-text

15:05:05 keonne: he isnt CEO sorry, he is director of ecommerece

15:05:08 keonne: thanks Mats_cd03

15:05:10 Mats_cd03: the magic of technology, i dont has to read french

15:05:52 keonne: lol

15:07:18 BingoBoingo: I think the most terrifying prospect I could imagine for Bitcoin would be MP moving fraudsters to French... So resistant to machine translation.

15:07:33 keonne: lol!

15:07:51 Mats_cd03: We do not yet understand the magnitude of the subject. Yet I am convinced that not to believe, it would be like not to believe in social networks there some time. Certainly there is no transaction in social networks, but there are relational in transactional ... and social networks contribute greatly. Do not believe the contribution of bitcoin in the

15:07:51 Mats_cd03: transaction, it is also a mistake.

15:08:10 Mats_cd03: any french speakers have a clue wat hes actually saying

15:08:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04775 = 0.382 BTC [-] {4}

15:09:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.04622746 = 0.5085 BTC [-] {4}

15:09:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.032099 = 0.8988 BTC [+]

15:09:28 keonne: one second Mats_cd03

15:09:47 keonne: my french isnt good, but I am currently in France with a native speaker

15:09:48 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You seem. It seems like a language where the vocabulary is statutorally restricted would be especially amenable to machine translation, but practice is different

15:10:29 Namworld: I can speak french too.

15:12:45 keonne: I think something along the lines of 'the french dont get it yet, they think its a thing for crooks and money launderers, but not believing in bitcoin is like not beliving in social networks a few years ago

15:13:33 keonne: and you cannot say that they are different because social networks too deal with transactions (though of a different kind), and indeed social networks will have a big impact on bitcoin

15:13:38 keonne: something along those lines anyway

15:13:45 Namworld: Wait, what is this about? Not translating apparently.

15:14:02 keonne: Namworld: http://www.journaldunet.com/ebusiness/commerce/patrick-oualid-oualid-monoprix-bitcoin.shtml

15:14:13 keonne: Monoprix to accept bitcoin end of 2014 apparently

15:14:32 Namworld: Ah

15:15:10 keonne: Namworld: please excuse if I butchered that, like I said, my french is garbage

15:15:51 keonne: give me it in esperanto and i'd be fine, lol

15:19:20 Namworld: idk why esperanto, seems counter productive. English is already so widely used (Not as native language but all combined)

15:20:04 Namworld: Although yes Mandarin is at the top, but not really used outside of China.

15:20:22 benkay: i'm testing a strategy for location selection over the next ten years: prefer big network pipe installations and electricity generation sites over pretty much anything. theory being that people with money invested in internet hardware will deploy capital to protect it, need lowly others to run the machines, and provide the armed convoys of food that the big cities won't be enjoying.

15:21:19 benkay: in my region this is Prineville and Bonneville.

15:22:09 Mats_cd03: im paying down a place in SLO, CA atm

15:22:43 benkay: hanky basis for investment thesis is that in the way rivers were important to US city site locations once upon a time internet and power will be bastions of order in mad-max future.

15:22:44 Mats_cd03: theres a 550w sol farm in the district

15:23:05 benkay: ugh but all that human flesh

15:23:07 Mats_cd03: mw, that is (we're on the same wavelength apparently)

15:23:19 keonne: Namworld: Its very useful to learn before learning other languages

15:23:27 keonne: especially if you are a native english speakers

15:23:40 Mats_cd03: theres no point to learning mandarin

15:24:09 keonne: you are quickly familiarised with different grammatical structures and sounds, while still being easily learned due to its entirely constructed base

15:24:37 keonne: Overall you are correct though, and almost no one speaks or understands it

15:25:36 thestringpuller: Mats_cd03: you really waiting for a cardano to get into WoT?

15:25:37 thestringpuller: lol

15:25:53 Mats_cd03: im not in a rush

15:26:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.005795 = 0.226 BTC [-]

15:27:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 888 @ 0.0055105 = 4.8933 BTC [-] {10}

15:27:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]

15:27:43 keonne: What is a cardano?

15:28:37 Mats_cd03: http://fraudsters.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/

15:28:38 ozbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:28:46 keonne: thank you Mats_cd03

15:29:13 keonne: fraudsters is seriously the best thing I have ever spent money on, online.

15:31:28 keonne: oh i want

15:32:09 Mats_cd03: ascii is going to need a lot of units

15:37:40 robwhiz22: hi

15:37:49 Chris_Sabian: I can use a bit of help: can anyone get the raw transcation from this tx id: df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c

15:37:53 truffles: ho

15:38:06 Chris_Sabian: i know you can do it in bitcoinQT but I dont have access to it right noww

15:38:20 Chris_Sabian: and i dont know where it find it online

15:38:47 robwhiz22: Does anyone know when Mirceau tends to be online?

15:39:10 mike_c: you need to run with -txindex to get access to transactions not in your wallet

15:39:11 truffles: no

15:39:20 mike_c: and rescan the blockchain.

15:40:10 jurov: blockchain.info shows raw tx in advanced mode, no?

15:40:21 Chris_Sabian: so I need access to my wallet at the moment to do it?

15:41:21 mike_c: jurov: it shows the scripts, yeah. https://blockchain.info/tx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c?show_adv=true

15:41:22 dignork: Chris_Sabian, https://blockchain.info/tx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c

15:41:31 artifexd: Or https://blockchain.info/rawtx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c

15:41:33 dignork: lol

15:41:35 keonne: was just gonna link that mike_c :)

15:41:40 robwhiz22: I will be on later.

15:41:55 truffles: blocks spamme

15:41:56 keonne: robwhiz22: you decide to ask in chat instead of pm this time?

15:42:02 keonne: aw he left

15:42:22 truffles: bad idea to pm ppl

15:42:29 keonne: indeed

15:43:03 keonne: he asked first, Mircea said no, and then he complained about it

15:43:20 truffles: oh

15:43:32 truffles: more interesting ppl to pm though :D

15:44:31 Chris_Sabian: ok. so if im trying to manually push the transcation via https://blockchain.info/pushtx , were is the raw hex then??

15:45:21 artifexd: https://blockchain.info/rawtx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c?format=hex

15:45:42 truffles: keonne u were supposed to say right, i know ure a blast

15:45:44 mike_c: um. blockchain already saw it :)

15:45:50 mike_c: what is the point?

15:46:37 keonne: oh sorry truffles

15:47:01 keonne: i wouldn't know, i never pm'd you

15:47:10 keonne: unless you are also moiety

15:47:16 truffles: i acept all pms

15:48:53 truffles: dunno who that is

15:49:00 Chris_Sabian: ok then. just saw that. I guess that I was confused that blockchain didnt see it because it didn't confirm. :)

15:49:28 dexX7: blockchain.info tends to be broken for some time now

15:49:42 mike_c: well, it's not confirming because no tx fee.

15:50:47 Chris_Sabian: isn't there some room in blocks for 0 fee transcation though? but it would take a long time to confirm though?

15:50:56 keonne: dexX7: whats broken? besides some charts? anything I need to expedite?

15:52:06 keonne: API should be back, we moved over to bitcoinj, and overall things are a lot quicker now. If there is something specific please let me know

15:52:08 dexX7: transactions were missing. not like an unconfirmed as in this case, but also historical ones

15:52:19 keonne: still? I thought we fixed all those

15:52:22 dexX7: hm

15:52:26 dexX7: not sure, if this is still an issue

15:52:33 dexX7: but it was over the last weeks

15:52:37 keonne: I think it has been resolved.

15:52:40 dexX7: ah nice

15:52:43 keonne: yeah it was a major issue

15:53:07 keonne: not in terms of functionality or people losing btc, but in a scaring the shit out of people way

15:53:27 dexX7: and a strange one ;) blockhashes were all fine, but tx count was wrong and as mentioned, txs missing

15:53:55 keonne: yeah the database corrupted, it was a very bad week

15:54:08 keonne: none of us slept very much

15:54:55 keonne: again if you see anything weird, just ping me here and ill get eyes on it asap

15:55:13 dexX7: good to know

15:56:45 keonne: One good thing out of all that, I didn't realize that android wallet users PIN codes are stored on bchain servers. As a result during the outage people weren't able to get into their android wallet with PIN only password. That is totally incorrect, from now on, your PIN will never be sent to our servers, it is hashed and stored locally instead

15:56:50 keonne: or will be

15:57:37 mike_c: Chris_Sabian: yes. just takes longer.

15:57:43 keonne: with that being said, im off for a bit to grab some coffee, later

15:57:50 dexX7: cya

16:00:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.12926208 BTC to 7`616 shares, 41088 satoshi per share

16:05:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1509 @ 0.000135 = 0.2037 BTC [+]

16:10:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01700001 = 0.17 BTC [-] {2}

16:23:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199887 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3}

16:32:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00580999 = 0.2208 BTC [+] {2}

16:37:04 truffles: some1 tell that guy coffee is bad for u

16:39:56 jurov: life is deadly anyway

16:40:25 truffles: is it though

16:40:41 benkay: keonne: you run blockchain.info?

16:40:41 BingoBoingo: truffles: Death is the only certain outcome of life

16:41:13 truffles: boingo for sure

16:41:19 truffles: no need to speed it up

16:41:55 BingoBoingo: No need to live to be 200 if you've never done anything either

16:42:25 truffles: sure could

16:42:34 truffles: just not things leading to possible bad times

16:42:45 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust keonne

16:42:45 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user keonne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=keonne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=keonne | Rated since: never

16:43:59 truffles: so why are nerds offended about being called nerds eh

16:44:34 cgcardona_: There is no such thing as strong coffee—only weak men.

16:44:45 truffles: 0.0

16:44:56 truffles: truth bombs

16:45:25 cgcardona_: top of tha mornin everyone

16:46:06 truffles: ive already made dinner ..

16:46:39 cgcardona_: heh. Around tha world—around tha world (daft punk theme)

16:47:50 truffles: nerd comment wasnt that random, other chat was qualifiying what it is to be one

16:48:29 cgcardona_: I don't think nerds are offended at being called nerds. I think true nerds/geeks/etc own that shit

16:49:12 truffles: id think its a good thing to be smart but u never know

16:49:54 cgcardona_: smart/clever/knowledgable/wise <---at some crossroads of those

16:50:20 benkay: can be a handicap, truffles. makes sucking at ones craft very painful when you start hitting that competence threshold that only lots of deliberate practice can get one over.

16:50:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.045 = 0.18 BTC [-]

16:51:12 truffles: well one cant know everything

16:51:19 benkay: in the same way men tell each other "smart/pretty/sane, pick two", managers are always looking for some combination of "smart/well-practiced/hard working".

16:51:32 danielpbarron: http://blockscan.com/address.aspx?q=1BGSqmCnkdyB7W2T15rSBS4qXBdY3LZn1t

16:51:34 cgcardona_: interesting insight

16:51:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03209899 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3}

16:52:19 benkay: well-practiced and hard working is super valuable, well-practiced and smart is super valuable, smart and hard working comes in at the bottom untempered by practice.

16:52:28 benkay: and of course just plain old smart is completely worthless.

16:52:51 truffles: i actually rank in reverse

16:53:00 cgcardona_: i'm just dumb and lazy

16:53:05 benkay: ;;google why i never hire brilliant men

16:53:05 gribble: From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com: http://taoyue.com/stacks/articles/brilliant-men.html; The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Never Hire ...: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.558118.24; The Old Joel on Software Forum - Hiring superstars?: http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/?cmd=show&ixPost=17864

16:53:17 truffles: slow pony

16:55:11 cgcardona_: oddly enough I had somehow never heard "smart/pretty/sane, pick two" until today

16:55:25 truffles: provided the brilliant doesnt come with lazi, id go brilliant every time

16:55:57 jurov: nonlazy brilliant eventually go crazy

16:56:11 cgcardona_: well there are meds for that...

16:56:15 truffles: we're all a lil crazy

16:56:17 cgcardona_: </partial joke>

16:56:54 benkay: funny how people go for the meds first and never think to go run in circles for thirty minutes...

16:57:15 truffles: i feel like any other option is purposely handicapping urself

17:02:37 cgcardona_: dude I just got an email from heroku about the ssl bug w/ this as my list of potentially affected apps: Here are your affected applications:

17:02:38 cgcardona_: {list of apps}

17:02:45 cgcardona_: the old variable in the email fail

17:02:50 cgcardona_: been a while since I seen that one

17:12:16 BingoBoingo: benkay: A jog can't do the things Lithium can though

17:13:01 truffles: how about drinking some tea, sitting doing a sudoku

17:13:27 benkay: most medicated people i've met don't jog 3 times a week, or even picking up heavy things until sweaty that many times a week. some variant of which is a prerequisite for stable mental chemistry.

17:13:44 benkay: <strike>ing</strike>

17:14:29 truffles: might take a lil more than that for the clincially insane

17:14:43 benkay: i'm not saying that mental health is purely a function of workout frequency. i've been larned better than that by the DSMi. it's just all too frequent that people resort to drugs without actually putting in the work to get their physical health dialed.

17:15:03 benkay: granted, it can be hard to get up in the morning much less work out when catatonically depressed.

17:15:57 Rick__: arij is here?

17:16:05 truffles: what would u suggest to the jocks then

17:16:27 los_pantalones: read a book

17:16:32 truffles: haha

17:17:19 asciilifeform: http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#schneier.com

17:19:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0523161 = 0.9417 BTC [-] {5}

17:23:38 BingoBoingo: http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#fraudsters.com

17:23:46 BingoBoingo: MP > Scheier

17:24:00 asciilifeform: wait since when ssl on fraudsters?

17:24:06 mike_c: i checked fraudsters & coinbr this morning, both were clear.

17:24:19 Mats_cd03: fraudsters cpanel i guess?

17:25:09 BingoBoingo: Well, No SSL == NotHeartBleed

17:25:33 BingoBoingo: www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/08/the-big-rock-candy-foundation/

17:25:38 mike_c: fraudsters.com will do ssl connections, but you can't get the blog.

17:26:20 benkay: BingoBoingo: start urls with http:// for log url inclusion

17:26:36 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/

17:26:37 ozbot: Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo

17:26:46 TomServo: BingoBoingo: The title of that article is for some reason missing from the frontpage

17:26:46 BingoBoingo: www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/08/the-big-rock-candy-foundation/

17:26:55 BingoBoingo: TomServo: Yeah, I dunno why

17:28:12 mike_c: too much css

17:29:53 truffles: boingo u have blog also?

17:30:35 BingoBoingo: truffles: Where have you been since September

17:31:01 truffles: well if its random link without saying "in my blog ..." i dont click..

17:31:24 BingoBoingo: truffles: You also advertise how much you hate reading at all

17:31:38 truffles: u misunderstand

17:31:41 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Fixed, was actualy too much CSS

17:31:42 benkay: "Bingo Blog"

17:31:44 truffles: if its boring id rather not

17:31:45 benkay: how fucking hard is that?

17:32:04 benkay: being linked by BingoBoingo

17:32:05 truffles: ok ok i skimmed

17:32:51 BingoBoingo: Reading moar is the best prevention against getting buggered sore

17:33:23 truffles: i have small chat window so..

17:33:40 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/453574888587268096

17:33:40 ozbot: Twitter / gavinandresen: Expect a 0.9.1 Bitcoin Core ...

17:34:05 mike_c: BingoBoingo: much better. good post. although not apples to apples, it is interesting to compare their activity #'s against http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/

17:34:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00555318 = 0.3499 BTC [-] {3}

17:34:59 truffles: oh oh i dont like ur writing style eeek

17:35:08 benkay: 48.) mjr___ 1023

17:35:35 danielpbarron: I got two irl contacts to join the WoT :D

17:35:48 benkay: which handles, danielpbarron ?

17:35:57 benkay: unless that's a rude question. is that a rude question?

17:36:09 truffles: tis rude

17:36:28 benkay: ;;gettrust truffles

17:36:28 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user truffles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=truffles | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=truffles | Rated since: never

17:36:29 truffles: jk

17:36:41 benkay: you don't count in this conversation apparently.

17:36:46 truffles: ha

17:36:46 danielpbarron: one hasn't signed up yet, the other is 'againbackson'

17:37:22 benkay: ;;gettrust againbackson

17:37:22 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user againbackson: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=againbackson | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=againbackson | Rated since: Tue Apr 8 11:58:58 2014

17:37:36 danielpbarron: ;;gettrust againbackson

17:37:37 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user againbackson: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=againbackson | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=againbackson | Rated since: Tue Apr 8 11:58:58 2014

17:37:39 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Thx, Well I figure for all of the porn there is less unpleasant buggery happening here

17:38:07 truffles: doesnt seem like too many r authenticated

17:38:16 danielpbarron: he's not online now :p

17:38:28 truffles: monologue commence?

17:39:22 truffles: boingo what percent of the blog is about u vs btc?

17:40:16 truffles: oh id so crush u in fantasy sports :D

17:41:01 BingoBoingo: truffles: Only one way to find out the log's contents...

17:42:56 truffles: i have harsh comments that i will hold to myself

17:43:53 BingoBoingo: I dunno that your comments can be sharp enough to cut deep...

17:44:12 truffles: oh, feel like ppl get sensy on the nets though

17:44:35 benkay: projecting much?

17:44:48 truffles: no wai, im like toughest person itc

17:44:58 BingoBoingo: truffles: There is a difference between people and "ppl"

17:45:35 truffles: ppl do picky

17:47:45 BingoBoingo: truffles: I don't think your wit is sharp enough to draw meaningful offense.

17:47:55 truffles: ouch!

17:48:38 truffles: well i tend to push buttons instead :(

17:50:28 BingoBoingo: That isn't even a very good emoticon

17:51:01 truffles: whats a good one

17:51:44 BingoBoingo: >:- ]

17:51:52 BingoBoingo: The horns show its malevolence

17:51:53 truffles: lol

17:51:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00579979 = 0.3074 BTC [+] {3}

17:52:04 truffles: sure

17:52:32 BingoBoingo: And its square jaw shows it is strong

17:56:44 truffles: so guess we should all work out more

17:56:46 Mats_cd03: https://imgur.com/4nhUs

17:56:47 ozbot: Gay Seal - Imgur

17:57:47 MisterE: anyone understand chinese?

17:58:38 Mats_cd03: yes

17:59:05 MisterE: supposedly an interview with a Chinese bank manager that was taken with an iphone has been posted where he confirms PBOC will drop the hammer on RMB

17:59:19 MisterE: excellent, would you mind having a look if its credible Mats_cd03 ?

17:59:22 MisterE: http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/130518221-3244140934.html

17:59:22 Mats_cd03: link it

18:00:27 MisterE: there's this too but not sure if related: https://www.fxbtc.com/news?id=3

18:01:05 Mats_cd03: sounds like thats what theyre talking about

18:01:20 MisterE: does it sound like they are who they are?

18:01:26 MisterE: and any date mentioned?

18:01:44 MisterE: err rather does it sound like they are credible?

18:03:20 Mats_cd03: the bank they're referring to is

18:03:22 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/star-trek-captain-narrates-insane-documentary-about-geo-1560832782

18:03:23 ozbot: Star Trek Captain Narrates Insane Documentary About Geocentrism

18:03:27 Mats_cd03: and my pinyin (romanization) is rough here...

18:03:41 MisterE: yea it's not easy

18:03:43 Mats_cd03: lingyun (inaudible) agricultural bank

18:03:54 MisterE: hmm

18:04:02 Mats_cd03: lingyun (inaudible) branch agricultural bank of china

18:06:44 truffles: kaku is in every modern doc!

18:07:47 Mats_cd03: oh and its by the 15

18:07:51 Mats_cd03: of this month

18:08:44 MisterE: well that's inline with rumors

18:11:25 MisterE: hmm agbank is massive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Bank_of_China

18:13:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.590984 = 3.5459 BTC [-] {3}

18:14:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59 = 3.54 BTC [-]

18:15:09 mike_c: PBOC will drop the hammer on RMB << what do you mean by this? will let the exchange rate float more?

18:15:55 Mats_cd03: seems more like theyre trying to restrict btc institutions from peddling to the masses

18:16:10 MisterE: yes

18:16:45 MisterE: stopping rmb from being used to buy crypto

18:17:06 Mats_cd03: an amusing effort

18:17:36 MisterE: Mats_cd03: what is your impression of the people's credibility? Do they seem like a branch manager of one of the biggest Chinese banks?

18:17:58 MisterE: their language, is it proper formal business?

18:18:33 Mats_cd03: yeah

18:21:29 MisterE: thanks for doing that

18:21:52 MisterE: oh anything about that post / notice? https://www.fxbtc.com/news?id=3

18:22:04 MisterE: I guess I can just plug it into google translate

18:22:36 Mats_cd03: they're shutting down due to the accounts being blocked (or something)

18:23:01 Mats_cd03: and some other things about pursuing legal action if dudes keep accusing them of running with the money

18:23:14 Apocalyptic: what are they shutting down ?

18:24:05 Mats_cd03: the bank received a directive to shut down fxbtc's bank account

18:24:19 MisterE: intersting

18:24:24 Mats_cd03: so the funds are frozen i imagine

18:24:29 MisterE: I didnt get that from google translate heh

18:24:59 MisterE: so their customers' funds are too

18:25:19 MisterE: Are you Chinese or live in China Mats_cd03? I recall one regular here at least lives there

18:26:20 Mats_cd03: i'm an .hk expat

18:26:32 MisterE: ahh ok yes it's you

18:26:40 MisterE: I'm in SE Asia also expat

18:26:51 Mats_cd03: i live in the us now

18:26:53 MisterE: mostly BKK / .sg pbased

18:26:55 Mats_cd03: is nice

18:27:03 MisterE: ahh nice to be back :)

18:27:26 MisterE: green grass and open space!

18:27:32 Mats_cd03: what is the living standard like there

18:27:43 MisterE: well like everything depends on money

18:27:55 Mats_cd03: well i lived in hk back when it was still green and open

18:28:01 MisterE: business opportunity abounds in Singapore but it's expensive as hell

18:28:16 MisterE: English is excellent there

18:28:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [+] {2}

18:28:37 MisterE: most of the multis that dont want to go intot he emerging markets in SE Asia service them from .sg

18:28:44 Mats_cd03: i left just as some of the high speed rails were being built

18:29:01 MisterE: wow thats a wile ago

18:29:12 MisterE: I imagine is sucked a bit before then heh

18:29:16 Mats_cd03: in tsuen wan

18:29:20 MisterE: country so damn big

18:29:48 Mats_cd03: literally two months after i completed a purchase on a number of properties

18:31:07 MisterE: oh yea that will make you move

18:31:10 MisterE: I was in real estate in the US

18:31:17 MisterE: commercial zoning plannign and permitting

18:31:42 MisterE: worked inland SF bay area

18:31:42 MisterE: and Seattle

18:31:46 MisterE: did a lot of 1031 exchanges

18:32:06 Mats_cd03: ive lived in san jose

18:32:10 Mats_cd03: is nice

18:32:58 MisterE: Oh yea we built a datacenter build there, it is nice area

18:33:05 MisterE: perfect weather for me, best in US

18:35:28 Mats_cd03: san diego has the best weather

18:35:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24092 @ 0.00100306 = 24.1657 BTC [+] {2}

18:36:48 Mats_cd03: when i lived there the temperature fluctuated 20 degrees at most

18:37:06 Mats_cd03: 90% of days were 60-80F

18:37:30 Mats_cd03: id still be there if it wasnt ungodly expensive

18:38:31 bounce: waitwaitwait, bitcoind is vulnerable to heartbleed?

18:39:37 Namworld: What nonsense is this?

18:40:27 Mats_cd03: 'heartbleed', who knew security researchers had a flair for the dramatic

18:40:37 MisterE: www.heartbleed.com

18:41:05 Namworld: lel, what? "The Heartbleed bug allows anyone on the Internet to read the memory of the systems protected by the vulnerable versions of the OpenSSL software. This compromises the secret keys used to identify the service providers and to encrypt the traffic, the names and passwords of the users and the actual content."

18:41:05 midnightmagic: bounce: Only if you've allowed rpc connections from random douches, have turned on ssl, aren't limiting it based on IP, *and* they have your wallet.dat already and have been able to query your bitcoind constantly over time and caught you using the rpc command that unlocks your wallet.

18:41:26 Apocalyptic: it is bounca

18:41:28 Apocalyptic: *bounce

18:41:33 bounce: "the industry" is made up out of at least 90% deliberate FUDmongering

18:41:44 Apocalyptic: midnightmagic only describe the scenario when they would have all your privkeys

18:42:14 midnightmagic: Apocalyptic: Or your encrypted wallet and access to query your rpcssl port arbitrarily.

18:42:18 Apocalyptic: but yes bitcoind with rpcssl is vulnerable to memory leak of some memspace

18:42:32 midnightmagic: (and did so in between your wallet passphrase rpc command, and whatever you typed next)

18:42:41 Apocalyptic: right

18:42:44 midnightmagic: the leak is minimal

18:42:52 midnightmagic: (so far as we currently know)

18:42:59 midnightmagic: "we"

18:43:00 Namworld: What kind of bug allows anyone to just read the memory?

18:43:25 midnightmagic: it's not just any memory, it's a specific chunk

18:45:05 Namworld: yes, yes, still

18:45:06 midnightmagic: and the answer is, "One that needs patching immediately. If you're on ubuntu: apt-get update ; apt-get install openssl"

18:45:25 bounce: not all of your assumptions are going to be reasonable, actually. ssl is fairly logical when enabling rpc ("instant security" amirite or amirite), but restricting IPaddresses only so if either you have enough clue or someone in your vicinity does. similarly, plenty reasons why you'd leave the wallet unlocked.

18:46:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014994 = 0.12 BTC [+]

18:47:42 midnightmagic: You have to specifically turn on rpcbind access to the outside world. You have to have specifically taken an action to expose yourself.

18:48:17 midnightmagic: and even if your wallet is unlocked, your privkeys aren't vulnerable. Only (so far) the last rpc command used in the server.

18:48:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00014995 = 0.105 BTC [+]

18:50:10 bounce: AFAIK you get a random 64k block back, so whatever's in there you can get

18:50:20 bounce: s/AFAIK/AIUI/ but anyway

18:50:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00014995 = 0.105 BTC [+]

18:51:21 thestringpuller: cron job yoyo

18:53:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00081495 = 0.815 BTC [-] {4}

18:57:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00100503 = 14.1207 BTC [+] {2}

18:58:32 asciilifeform: which one of you folks runs btcalpha.com ?

18:59:07 thestringpuller: what is that?

18:59:29 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, mike_c does

18:59:33 asciilifeform: thx

18:59:56 mike_c: now i'm nervous..

19:00:09 asciilifeform: stumbled across it by accident.

19:00:19 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust mike_c

19:00:20 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user mike_c: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=mike_c | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mike_c | Rated since: Sun Nov 24 21:18:22 2013

19:01:42 thestringpuller: nice btcalpha is pretty good

19:02:22 MisterE: bounce: it is not a random 64k block and you can continue requesting them until you get all the info you want

19:02:32 MisterE: www.heartbleed.com

19:18:43 midnightmagic: bounce: No, it's not a random 64k block. It's the same block each time you run the attack.

19:21:40 midnightmagic: MisterE: It's just a chunk of the heap. to get different data, the heap contents must change in between attacks. That is, you can't just dump the process' entire memory space.

19:25:02 mike_c: "There is no total of 64 kilobytes limitation to the attack, that limit applies only to a single heartbeat. Attacker can either keep reconnecting or during an active TLS connection keep requesting arbitrary number of 64 kilobyte chunks of memory content until enough secrets are revealed."

19:28:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00100609 = 48.2923 BTC [+]

19:37:02 taub: http://puu.sh/8189e.jpg fascinating and true

19:47:08 Apocalyptic: mike_c, is that django btw ?

19:47:17 mike_c: yeah

19:47:49 mike_c: how did you guess? what am i leaking?

19:47:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05499193 = 0.11 BTC [-]

19:48:34 mike_c: this was more fun when it was me probing fraudsters.

20:01:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499195 = 0.22 BTC [+]

20:04:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05499195 = 0.11 BTC [+]

20:09:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 135 @ 0.00148 = 0.1998 BTC [-]

20:19:11 jurov: some douche filed "illegal intrusion report" against simpleshell.com

20:19:30 jurov: just cause it "exceeded connection attempt threshold to tcp:22 81 times in a 30 minute period"

20:20:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00100531 = 11.6113 BTC [-] {2}

20:20:35 jurov: as if they fear two login attempts per minute

20:22:17 jurov: guess i'll axe it for now

20:22:24 mike_c: filed it with who?

20:23:00 jurov: with amazon

20:27:37 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

20:27:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 454.55, Best ask: 455.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.95000, Last trade: 455.88, 24 hour volume: 5617.14157162, 24 hour low: 446.24, 24 hour high: 459.8, 24 hour vwap: 453.022093956

20:29:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88208 @ 0.00101 = 89.0901 BTC [+]

20:29:53 benkay: Apocalyptic: how'd you run down that mike_c's running django? i too am curious.

20:30:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014576 = 0.1458 BTC [-] {3}

20:32:34 Apocalyptic: it was just a guess

20:37:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 825 @ 0.0001451 = 0.1197 BTC [-] {5}

20:45:05 mircea_popescu: mike_c: it is pretty horrible to run this against one of your servers and watch its memory get dumped to screen. << now imagine if hearn & co had their way and openssl was bundled in every "reference" bitcoin client.

20:45:33 mike_c: it is, right? hence 0.9.1

20:45:39 asciilifeform: lol!!

20:46:09 mircea_popescu: someone actually downloaded 0.9.1 ?

20:46:13 mircea_popescu: i mean other than to point and laugh.

20:46:30 mike_c: it's not released yet. it is the fix for 0.9, which is vulnerable

20:46:34 mircea_popescu: o o i c.

20:47:12 mircea_popescu: keonne wtf is it with dyslexics and esperanto

20:47:19 mircea_popescu: it's like goth music and fat girls for crying out loud

20:48:33 mircea_popescu: Chris_Sabian it's unconfirmed as of yet and i can't conveniently see it. you dun goofed ?

20:49:54 mircea_popescu: and .9 was the fix for .8.x, which was... broken.

20:50:49 mircea_popescu: then when i say satoshi quit mostly because he didn't want to be involved with these fucktards anymore people act as if this is somehow controversial.

20:58:25 bounce: well, there's a new chief developer guy now. everything gonna be better now, right?

20:59:29 mircea_popescu: no.

20:59:35 mircea_popescu: an' im working on the killshot as we speak.

21:00:27 bounce: so we're how many years on and I haven't looked but am I to understand there's still not much of a protocol spec? looks like the foundation sure set some useful priorities.

21:01:05 ThickAsThieves: i spoke with the reporter today about the Narcotic Checkpoint issue, went pretty well, she's gonna do more research

21:01:17 benkay: HeySteve2 was having epic problems with 0.9 and a wallet.

21:01:36 ThickAsThieves: offered to have me get a Letter to the Editor published

21:01:39 ThickAsThieves: we'll see

21:20:11 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: goth music and fat girls...wow that's very astute, i thought it was just an american phenonmenon

21:22:56 benkay: ;;gettrust thestringpuller

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21:26:29 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/

21:26:29 ozbot: The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe fraudsters - Un blog d

21:26:37 mircea_popescu: now someone dump that on reddit, let's have some fun here.

21:26:38 benkay: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/156262/lynchings-a-collective-mental-condition

21:26:43 ozbot: Lynchings: a collective mental condition - BuenosAiresHerald.com

21:27:30 mircea_popescu: benkay either that or a good idea.

21:28:36 benkay: you're a fan of the lynching?

21:29:29 mircea_popescu: i know for a fact that upon lynching a legal system can be built.

21:29:40 mircea_popescu: upon the derpage fashionable in the us today, no legal system can be built.

21:29:50 mircea_popescu: kalifornia at most. and that's really not good enough.

21:29:56 ThickAsThieves: typo: "on the othe rhand"

21:30:03 mircea_popescu: ty

21:30:49 ThickAsThieves: i'm tempted to get picky with your often-missing commas and hyphens, but it reads okay so whatever

21:31:06 mircea_popescu: i have my own (admittedly nutty) comma scheme

21:31:34 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22jv9k/the_sins_of_the_group_of_posers_behind_the_so/

21:31:49 mircea_popescu: cheers.

21:32:07 Naphex: upboat ^^

21:32:59 ThickAsThieves: Karpeles is a fugitive now?

21:33:10 mircea_popescu: not exactly keeping office hours is he ?

21:33:17 mircea_popescu: same deal as danny.

21:33:36 mircea_popescu: Naphex say what ?

21:33:37 ThickAsThieves: i thought Mark was cooperating n all that jazz

21:33:50 mircea_popescu: why ?

21:33:51 ThickAsThieves: i havent been following lately though

21:34:16 ThickAsThieves: cuz he was appearing in public and filing bankruptcies and finding coins in his couch, etc

21:34:36 mircea_popescu: he did not personally file anything,

21:34:50 mircea_popescu: and w/e, irc appearances in public ? hardly counts.

21:35:12 mircea_popescu: judge ordered him to show up in court if he intends to ask the court to protect him from his creditors.

21:35:30 mircea_popescu: the message there's pretty much this : civil court does not protect fugitives. ancient principle, too.

21:35:38 *: ThickAsThieves looks up definition of "fugitive"

21:36:06 ThickAsThieves: 4. being of transient interest

21:36:07 mircea_popescu: well it doesn't reduce to car chases :p

21:36:13 ThickAsThieves: hehe

21:36:36 thestringpuller: so why do fat girls love goth music?

21:36:55 thestringpuller: i'm still intrigued by this phenomenon

21:37:05 Naphex: mircea_popescu: upboat for the reddit post ;]

21:37:24 ThickAsThieves: because they are sad

21:37:27 ThickAsThieves: duh

21:37:33 mircea_popescu: a ty.

21:37:36 thestringpuller: sad because guys don't want to touch them?

21:37:49 ThickAsThieves: all the reasons that come with being fat

21:38:12 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller maybe because they resonate with people inconvenienced by reality, being themselves inconvenienced by same ?

21:38:19 mircea_popescu: Naphex you like the only other romanian in here ?

21:38:26 mircea_popescu: o nm, cads sorta counts too

21:38:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41208 @ 0.00100189 = 41.2859 BTC [-] {2}

21:38:42 ThickAsThieves: maybe it's too options for the morbidly obese, outward depression, or a carreer in comedy

21:38:52 ThickAsThieves: two

21:39:03 ThickAsThieves: career

21:39:04 mircea_popescu: hardly. name a fat woman that was ever funny.

21:39:05 ThickAsThieves: lol

21:39:10 mircea_popescu: i mean, fat guys, i get it, it can happen.

21:39:14 Naphex: mircea_popescu: might as well be two, chilling around. might as well check this place out. has entertaining discussions from what i figured from chat logs

21:39:20 ThickAsThieves: the girl on SNL isnt that bad

21:39:21 Naphex: :p

21:39:24 ThickAsThieves: roseanne?

21:39:39 ThickAsThieves: that fat girl in the movies now is horribl ethough

21:40:12 ThickAsThieves: but yeah

21:40:18 ThickAsThieves: it's much more common in men

21:40:32 ThickAsThieves: fat guys can be a good time (no homo)

21:40:38 mircea_popescu: which is kinda weird, i always thought fat kinda goes with jolly

21:41:12 ThickAsThieves: i picked up jogging again, all this bitcoining made me buy new clothes

21:41:46 ThickAsThieves: i always do this, gain enough to buy new clothes, then that triggers me losing the weight so those dont fit either

21:41:58 ThickAsThieves: i got a system!

21:42:11 cazalla: hey me too, legs are killing me from doms, had to take a few days break lol

21:42:45 ThickAsThieves: most i ever ran was a half-marathon, which gave me my knee injury

21:43:16 ThickAsThieves: goes to the point of that 50-mile bitcoin runner guy being absolutely delusional or scamming

21:43:18 cazalla: i use to do 10km every morning but then i got fat and lazy when it was no longer a challenge

21:44:35 mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone know andre renard ? i find it quite palatable

21:44:57 mircea_popescu: cazalla so now it's a challenge again, see ? nature fixes all.

21:45:12 bounce: heartbleed, not beedingheart, and a plurality mismatch in the last paragraph or so

21:46:17 mircea_popescu: bounce i was trying for a libertard jab.

21:46:19 mircea_popescu: doesn't work huh

21:46:54 *: bounce didn't get it. doesn't mean others won't.

21:47:26 mircea_popescu: cause bleeding heart liberal see

21:48:01 bounce: clearly not american enough to appreciate that as a style figure

21:48:29 bounce: brb, there's a tree here as needs hugging

21:48:35 mircea_popescu: well im not either, so... you know. shootin' in the darklo;

21:49:40 ThickAsThieves: so now Texas has a bill to edit IRS to call bitcoin currency?

21:49:58 ThickAsThieves: can we just make it it's own thing?

21:50:01 mircea_popescu: i msta missed that one ?

21:50:13 TomServo: mircea_popescu | hardly. name a fat woman that was ever funny. << Lisa Lampanelli has some good stuff, but it's basically a female version of Don Rickles act

21:50:29 ThickAsThieves: if neither shoe fits, maybe it doesnt where shoes

21:50:47 ThickAsThieves: http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/08/congressman-stockman-seeks-introduce-bill-congress-declaring-bitcoin-currency-property/

21:50:48 Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/08/congressman-stockman-seeks-introduce-bill-congress-declaring-bitcoin-currency-property/ some congressman wants some bitcoin donations

21:50:56 mircea_popescu: TomServo minus the funny. and btw, rickles was fat his whole life.

21:50:57 ThickAsThieves: you me a coke!

21:50:58 Naphex: beat me to it

21:51:02 ThickAsThieves: owe

21:51:08 mircea_popescu: oh, well. "seeks to introduce you know ?

21:51:15 mircea_popescu: that's the garbage bin of parliaments.

21:51:24 ThickAsThieves: it's written up, seems itll be introduced

21:51:30 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "where shoes" ?!

21:51:38 ThickAsThieves: where what?

21:51:40 mircea_popescu: dude you wanna correct MY commas ?

21:51:43 ThickAsThieves: wear shoes

21:51:43 mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> if neither shoe fits, maybe it doesnt where shoes <<

21:51:53 ThickAsThieves: lol

21:51:55 mircea_popescu: lol

21:52:00 ThickAsThieves: i'm super retarded today

21:52:07 mircea_popescu: have a drink, have a straw.

21:52:51 ThickAsThieves: funny thing is when you said that, i didnt check "where", i checked the comma

21:53:02 ThickAsThieves: :)

21:53:32 mircea_popescu: keonne so what are the details re the right hash but wrong block composition thing ? cause yeah it got me scratching my head.

21:54:06 ThickAsThieves: ugh "Actually, what is needed is to leave it as property but add an exemption for the first $X0,000 of gain, which is what other countries are doing, particularly in Europe. That way it can effectively function as a currency, but investors who go long also get favorable tax treatment."

21:54:22 ThickAsThieves: apply this law to specifically what i want plz

21:54:49 ThickAsThieves: wtf does US care whether people go long on bitcoin

21:55:13 mircea_popescu: actually the us needs people long on bitcoin. many of them.

21:55:40 ThickAsThieves: you mena in the same way that a child needs to be slapped sometimes

21:55:54 mircea_popescu: more like in the way a poor farmer with 13 kids needs one in school.

21:56:55 ThickAsThieves: but encouraging people to go long on it, means it eats away at its own financial system, no?

21:57:13 mircea_popescu: so ?

21:57:25 mircea_popescu: upgrading is the only economically rational form of cannibalism.

21:57:35 ThickAsThieves: well i agree, but i doubt the USG would intentionally do encourage it

21:57:35 mircea_popescu: that system is getting et. best you be doin' most of the etin'.

21:57:54 mircea_popescu: who knows, it's like an earthworm. it sorta slugs away but not as a direct result of any of the ganglions.

21:58:20 ThickAsThieves: i can see that much i guess

21:58:53 mircea_popescu: anyway, just sayin'. who's to know really. in point of fact, you can probably find a *state* senator trying to put in a bill on any given topic.

21:59:02 ThickAsThieves: nonetheless, i doubt any of the intent of these IRS rulings or bills is to get people to go long

21:59:06 mircea_popescu: there's probably some trying to put in bills to make women wear burkas

21:59:27 fluffypony: or give ponies an actual place in office

21:59:33 mircea_popescu: i doubt any of this shit can really HAVe an intent in the first place. people, esp on the forum, keep ascribing intent to large organisational actors

21:59:33 fluffypony: I'd vote for that if I was American

21:59:37 mircea_popescu: if it fucking worked that way...

22:00:00 ThickAsThieves: if there's no intent, wtf is a bill?

22:00:04 mircea_popescu: what's el nino's intent you know ?

22:00:15 mircea_popescu: a bill is a product. of a system. like snail trails.

22:00:58 ThickAsThieves: a bill is built, not shat

22:01:02 ThickAsThieves: more like a web than a trail

22:01:08 mircea_popescu: benkay smart hardworking isn't as bad as you think.

22:01:14 mike_c: the intent of a bill with no chance of passing is PR.

22:01:16 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i'd say the converse. a bill is shat, not anything else.

22:01:34 ThickAsThieves: mike_c i can see that

22:01:41 mircea_popescu: that's solid too, yeah.

22:01:45 *: fluffypony needs to watch more House of Cards

22:01:50 ThickAsThieves: but i think bitcoin bills have chances still

22:01:54 mircea_popescu: maybe someone should talk to him, i guess. anyone in his district ?

22:02:06 ThickAsThieves: Ukyo might be

22:02:08 ThickAsThieves: :)

22:02:37 benkay: mircea_popescu: more of a comment on myself than the world

22:02:52 benkay: but you know, any of the two are great to have around, right?

22:02:59 ThickAsThieves: i could see a bill being passed as being closer to "shat"

22:04:02 ThickAsThieves: maybe bills are more like cumshots

22:04:03 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i guess i was thinking more about "passed"

22:04:13 mircea_popescu: otherwise, we two could write a bill in that sense, right now. what of it.

22:04:27 ThickAsThieves: well we were speaking of intent

22:05:44 mircea_popescu: a but unrelatedly, as the possibility of intent in large institutional actors.

22:05:45 ThickAsThieves: but i'll write a bill with you anytime baby. I'll hold your commas, and you can diddle my phonetic abortions

22:05:54 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing, a government/agency/etc is quite incapable of intent.

22:06:28 ThickAsThieves: yeah it

22:06:28 mircea_popescu: supreme court peering into "the intent of congress" is perhaps the largest inside joke in the us legal profession.

22:06:33 ThickAsThieves: 's frustrating

22:07:04 fluffypony: ok so I have a question that has nothing to do with bills

22:07:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony shoot

22:07:14 fluffypony: if I'm looking to raise BTC-denominated funds privately as a company (angel investing, really) and don't want to go the IPO route in order to at least somewhat stave off the general discovery of trade secrets (for want of a better term), is there a generally accepted way of doing so? proposal has been drawn up already, just not really sure how one goes about finding BTC angel investor types

22:07:23 ThickAsThieves: coins, bills, what's the difference?

22:07:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony one first gets into the wot.

22:07:38 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: already there

22:07:40 mircea_popescu: then that one establishes his credibility, over time.

22:07:47 mircea_popescu: then it just sorta happens by itself.

22:08:01 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22jv9k/the_sins_of_the_group_of_posers_behind_the_so/ << lol angry redditoars.

22:08:14 nubbins`: ;;gettrust fluffypony

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22:08:21 mircea_popescu: im not a psychopath! i'm just an asshole!

22:09:08 mircea_popescu: fluffypony a cool, look at that.

22:10:03 fluffypony: lol

22:10:12 fluffypony: well rg's positive rating on my wot profile still stands

22:10:21 fluffypony: but because everyone's changed their rating of him to a negative

22:10:30 fluffypony: it means the trust graphs to me are all unhappy pandas

22:10:39 fluffypony: thanks a lot, rg

22:10:42 fluffypony: :-P

22:10:46 mircea_popescu: lol not exactly how it works.

22:10:50 benkay: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ib8o/heartbleed_bitstamp_api_hash_on_key_only/

22:10:50 ozbot: Heartbleed + Bitstamp API (hash on key only) : Bitcoin

22:10:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, stick around, no rush

22:10:58 Naphex: wot schmot, fluffypony , go do your thing make some money, things will happen ;]

22:11:17 mircea_popescu: "so if you were to perform the request over an unsecured network, you could easily intercept and send a different payload without having to generate a new signature"

22:11:19 mircea_popescu: holy hell batman

22:11:22 mircea_popescu: WHO WROTE THIS CODE

22:11:26 fluffypony: Naphex: the company is already making money, just not enough for the next lot of things we're doing :)

22:11:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i hold you personally responsible!

22:11:32 mircea_popescu: why didn't you warn us in time!

22:11:44 mircea_popescu: fluffypony well what company is it ?

22:11:50 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: https://openrigs.com

22:12:13 mircea_popescu: o so you make rigs ? that's a pretty cool idea!

22:12:24 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well, frames for rigs

22:12:44 fluffypony: but yes, peripheral services for miners is the primary aim of the business

22:12:45 mircea_popescu: yes yes is what i meant, metal rig frames

22:12:47 BCB: mircea_popescu, tells us how you really feel about the BCF

22:13:00 mircea_popescu: BCB no need to, because gavin did the right thing and quit.

22:13:06 mircea_popescu: rage partially averted.

22:13:07 Naphex: mircea_popescu: i'm guessing any decent programmer that implemented the bitstamp API noticed that they do HMAC all wrong, also the guy who posted that, total douche imho :)

22:13:25 mircea_popescu: Naphex bit of an inside joke :p

22:13:47 Naphex: mircea_popescu: guy probably had a short on bitfinex trololol

22:14:15 mircea_popescu: fluffypony so what are you planning to expand into ?

22:14:36 BCB: mircea_popescu, he's still being paid by them

22:14:59 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'll gladly send you the proposal if you have a bit of time to take a glance at it, just not too keen on sharing it publicly for all and sundry;)

22:15:07 mircea_popescu: a well then no need.

22:15:15 mircea_popescu: just curious if you wanted to say anything in public.

22:15:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04512574 = 0.361 BTC [-] {4}

22:16:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03219009 = 0.3541 BTC [+] {2}

22:16:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony how much did you sell so far ?

22:16:58 mircea_popescu: kinda curious because the appalling situation of mining rig arrangements is a bit of a historical lolpoint

22:17:03 mircea_popescu: if you ever read buttcoin.org etc

22:17:15 fluffypony: mircea_popescu:1500 orders, 3000 frames

22:17:18 fluffypony: since Nov 2013

22:17:28 fluffypony: but we've also had customers that aren't miners

22:17:33 mircea_popescu: o hey. so 3k frames closer to sanity, that's a public service.

22:17:43 fluffypony: OCLHashCat users and the GPGPU/GPUGrid crowd

22:17:52 mircea_popescu: do you build them in your garage like ? or got a little warehouse somewhere ?

22:18:00 nubbins`: my square cc reader showed up in the mail today, woo

22:18:27 fluffypony: got a fabrication facility, and then it's packed and shipped from a picking/qc floor

22:18:35 Aquent: Why you saying Mark Karpels is a fugitive?

22:18:40 mircea_popescu: pretty cool.

22:18:49 mircea_popescu: Aquent because that's what you call people who avoid showing up in court.

22:19:04 Aquent: no you dont

22:19:13 Aquent: thats what you call people who avoid criminal law

22:19:14 Aquent: not civil

22:19:19 nubbins`: ^ he got ya on a technicality

22:19:28 Aquent: anyway, do you have any info where he is?

22:19:47 nubbins`: rumor has it he committed seppuku

22:19:48 fluffypony: !seen MagicalTux

22:19:49 mircea_popescu: i do not.

22:19:50 fluffypony: :-P

22:19:51 Aquent: some article is saying he's gone to taiwan

22:19:57 mircea_popescu: a situation eerily similar to that of a fugitive.

22:20:00 Aquent: is that what you were refering to or....

22:20:20 fluffypony: I bet he'll turn up in a StarBucks somewhere

22:20:39 bounce: went on a hike with that neobee guy?

22:20:47 nubbins`: hike?!

22:20:54 danielpbarron: http://blockscan.com/assetInfo.aspx?q=MEAT

22:20:56 mircea_popescu: they are visiting meta-graceland, for a party hosted by elvis

22:21:06 Aquent: lol

22:21:08 bounce: starbucks crawl, whatever

22:21:16 mircea_popescu: the crispy mille

22:21:17 fluffypony: lol

22:21:23 Aquent: right ok I would kindly and very respectfully ask you to change the wording

22:21:28 Aquent: fugitive creates panic

22:21:35 Aquent: especially considering some other rumours

22:21:35 mircea_popescu: panic about what ?!

22:21:43 ThickAsThieves: lol

22:21:48 ThickAsThieves: Aquent is Mark?

22:21:56 Aquent: its just a suggestion - take it or leave it is of course entirely your choice

22:21:58 benkay: ;;gettrust Aquent

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22:22:15 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no it's really me. you know how it goes, everyone's me.

22:22:25 ThickAsThieves: it's not easy being you

22:22:32 ThickAsThieves: i should know!

22:22:37 mircea_popescu: lol

22:22:49 benkay: fascinating, danielpbarron

22:22:59 mircea_popescu: just promise me you don't come up with this nutty ritual of eating "my flesh and blood" later on.

22:23:16 fluffypony: Aquent: because all the mtgox bagholders might panic and sell their coins on mtgox?

22:23:18 Duffer1: change the wording to what though? "a situation eerily similar to that of a fugitive" how is that different?

22:23:19 fluffypony: oh...wait...

22:23:22 ThickAsThieves: i'm vegan, so we're good

22:23:29 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you mean we're god.

22:23:31 mircea_popescu: harharhar

22:23:34 ThickAsThieves: :)

22:23:49 BCB: mircea_popescu, how many ipo have you done

22:24:42 ThickAsThieves: kinda a weird question

22:24:58 mircea_popescu: bout a dozen give or take

22:25:00 mircea_popescu: and contrary to whatever you may have heard, ive done in fewer than that.

22:25:02 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves better larger number.

22:25:21 mike_c: forum lulz @ neobee: "The financial report that you all have been waiting for is ready. Total revenue from date of incorporation to date: ZERO."

22:25:43 nubbins`: ha

22:25:45 mircea_popescu: mike_c is this also me posting ?

22:25:54 nubbins`: is that you, john wayne?

22:25:56 mike_c: undoubtably

22:25:57 nubbins`: is this me?

22:26:05 mircea_popescu: hello this is you.

22:26:09 mircea_popescu: i have no idea what you are doing.

22:26:54 mircea_popescu: wait dudes! do you realise god spelled backwards is dog, and so the black lab meme and the bitcoin jesus meme just came together in a total and complete

22:27:01 mircea_popescu: MEMPOCALYPSE ?!?!

22:27:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/massive-gas-cloud-collide-black-hole-get-watch-live/

22:27:22 ozbot: A gas cloud collides with the black hole at the center of our galaxy, and we get to watch | PBS News

22:27:22 nubbins`: apocaleme

22:27:33 nubbins`: please keep all gods on a leash

22:27:50 BCB: mircea_popescu, you have any numbers posted market caps, exits (beisdes the very suspicious satoshi dice)

22:28:10 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/

22:28:10 ozbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:28:12 mircea_popescu: there's that.

22:28:15 mircea_popescu: the rest's on teh exchange.

22:29:05 BCB: mircea_popescu, what was the kluge scam?

22:29:40 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters kludge the musical

22:29:41 gribble: Bitcoin Lolcows, the musical. Today, Kludge pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://fraudsters.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/; How does one list on MPEx ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/how-does-one-list-on-mpex; Bitcoin pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/bitcoin/

22:29:46 mircea_popescu: first one

22:31:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]

22:33:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: benkay: A jog can't do the things Lithium can though <<< actually, afaik it does.

22:33:38 mircea_popescu: oldest and still strongest remedy for all mental issues is exhaustion.

22:34:56 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: MP > Scheier << lol

22:35:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://fraudsters.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/ neh ? works if you want it, just, doesn't default to it. compatibility ftw.

22:35:36 ThickAsThieves: jogging produces cannabinoids

22:35:50 ThickAsThieves: free high!

22:35:53 mircea_popescu: coolabuttoids too

22:36:54 asciilifeform: ahahaa

22:43:47 mircea_popescu: an' for the record, just in case : http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98933

22:48:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00099824 = 28.5996 BTC [-] {2}

22:53:35 mircea_popescu: 1.) assbot 228202 2.) mircea_popescu 72397

22:53:38 mircea_popescu: so take that!

22:54:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beautiful piece - but the fact that the phoundation will still be revered and fellated in the world media tomorrow tells us how firmly the buggers are still in control.

22:54:54 Naphex: i heard BlockChains.info CoinJoin has been stealthing some BTC's lately

22:55:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a meta-nsa may or may not exist. a meta-media definitely does exist.

22:55:09 asciilifeform: 'bob the bridge builder' fucks goat after goat, has done a whole herd, but remains listed in the phone book under 'bridge builder'

22:55:37 mircea_popescu: Naphex keonne was sayin' earlier they got it fixed, waiting for him to pop back in cause i wanted to grill him a little

22:56:12 Naphex: i heard it around 'town'

22:56:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and by bob you mean bruce ?

22:56:32 Naphex: messing up their TX tables and getting bitcoins locked in addresses

22:58:49 mircea_popescu: MisterE that bank shutdown/issue seems by and large unrelated to btc in any sense. just part and parcel of larger fin sector chinese woes.

23:00:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 6.17987915 BTC to 13`595 shares, 45457 satoshi per share

23:00:01 tg2: benkayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

23:00:05 tg2: http://bitcoinexpo.ca/

23:01:51 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic actually, it's pretty much all the memory. in 64k chunks, yes, but trivial to map it all out.

23:02:24 asciilifeform: process memory

23:02:38 asciilifeform: (unless poor chumper ran with 'root' privs)

23:02:40 mircea_popescu: all process memory, yes

23:02:51 mircea_popescu: let's not even go into what exactly "process memory" means on windows

23:02:54 tg2: is it only the process space for the webserver?

23:03:02 mircea_popescu: or into how things such as the vidcard can be leveraged for this purpose./

23:03:15 benkay: cavirtex is sponsoring the caconf

23:03:22 benkay: nice

23:03:22 mircea_popescu: tg2 the process memory for the process running the openssl code

23:03:26 mike_c: it is the process space for whatever is handling ssl connections.. so all ur keyz belong to us

23:03:30 benkay: scamhavior universal

23:03:37 asciilifeform: the basics of priv elevation on common os variants is a subject beaten to death elsewhere on the net

23:03:42 asciilifeform: no need to re-tell it here.

23:03:45 tg2: inb4 noobs not using perfect forward

23:03:47 asciilifeform: unless, of course, someone wants

23:03:48 mircea_popescu: exactly. i just include it by reference.

23:04:09 tg2: out of bounds and native c go hand in hand

23:04:11 mircea_popescu: tg2 afaik pfs is so rare you might as well call it exotic

23:04:20 tg2: pfs is pretty easy to set up

23:04:24 tg2: and it has been around for a while

23:04:24 mircea_popescu: nevertheless.

23:04:29 mircea_popescu: nevertheless.

23:04:30 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: No; that doesn't appear to be accurate. Ask whoever it is who is telling you that to describe how to target specific memory regions, because I'm fairly sure they're wrong.

23:04:37 *: mircea_popescu just keeps on pasting "nevertheless"

23:04:38 tg2: i'm sure it's adoption will increase in light recent events ;)

23:04:52 tg2: benkay, what was your site

23:04:54 tg2: candiansomething?

23:05:01 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic "There is no total of 64 kilobytes limitation to the attack, that limit applies only to a single heartbeat. Attacker can either keep reconnecting or during an active TLS connection keep requesting arbitrary number of 64 kilobyte chunks of memory content until enough secrets are revealed."

23:05:06 mircea_popescu: http://heartbleed.com/

23:05:06 ozbot: Heartbleed Bug

23:05:12 mircea_popescu: some of teh doods that reported it.

23:05:29 mircea_popescu: tg2 yeah. or maybe it won't.

23:05:39 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: That is from the heartbleed site. It implies more information is available, but it's information which is sitting in that specific area. It's a busy area, but it's just that specific area.

23:05:44 bounce: and named it, and registered a domain for the name

23:06:04 midnightmagic: It's an abitrary number of 64k chunks, but it's not arbitrary *locations*.

23:06:16 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic this, ~as far as we know~ is probably true.

23:06:21 mircea_popescu: nevertheless.

23:06:46 bounce: if there's multiple code paths you can get there it gets more interesting still

23:06:58 Naphex: gn o/

23:07:10 mircea_popescu: ^

23:07:17 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Well the wording in that section is slippery. My current understanding is to vary the information requires being able to manipulate program execution in other areas of the program.

23:07:29 mircea_popescu: at this stage i don't see how any negative statements can really be made.

23:08:57 midnightmagic: The attack is just a heartbeat with a size modifier different; it's an overrun read-only flaw. Unless the attack is expanded to something else, there is no targetting. It's "whatever's sitting 64k behind the heap."

23:09:22 mircea_popescu: but since you can in principle repeat it indefinitely it's in principle anything.

23:09:24 asciilifeform: i specifically mentioned 'openssl' in 'don't blame the mice.' well, nobody want to read a crackpot blog, they will have to learn the lesson on their own arse.

23:09:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know you're in the footnotes for that reason :)

23:09:46 asciilifeform: and when people realize the actual root of the problem (as eventually must) they will piss themselves.

23:10:37 fluffypony: before I patched our local server this morning (not behind CloudFlare as CloudFlare don't have a node in South Africa) I played around with it

23:10:55 fluffypony: it bleeds tons of cookies from the httpd's memory space

23:11:08 fluffypony: some of them are broken, but enough weren't

23:11:32 mircea_popescu: fluffypony mike_c was liveircing wowmoments with it earlier too

23:12:56 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I still maintain that the damage from something like this could be reduced by mitigating session hijacking

23:12:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: stumbled across it by accident. << haha mike_c you be famous nao.

23:13:24 mircea_popescu: fluffypony there's many ways to mitigate a known attack, by the very definition of "known".

23:13:24 fluffypony: but locking a session to an IP is also fraught with issues, so that's not a good technique

23:13:35 mircea_popescu: the point here is that this attack spent most of the past two years unknown.

23:13:52 fluffypony: yeah I'm not talking about mitigating the heartbleed attack

23:13:59 fluffypony: just mitigating session hijacking

23:14:11 fluffypony: if POST/GET vars bleed that's one thing

23:14:15 Naphex: mircea_popescu: you can basically sniff whole SSL trafic with Heartbleed.

23:14:22 *: bounce recalls an irc discussion going on 15 years back, where someone speculated that a nsa backdoor might look like "int foo;" instead of "long foo;". and you just can't tell. well, here we have such an innocuous thingy. and you never can tell. but spectacular, that the effects certainly are.

23:14:33 mircea_popescu: Naphex all the poor souls arguing with me over tor's safety a few months ago. awww.

23:14:35 Naphex: just write some code and point it

23:14:37 asciilifeform: ;;google underhanded c contest

23:14:38 gribble: The Underhanded C Contest: http://underhanded.xcott.com/; The Underhanded C Contest » This Year: http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5; The Underhanded C Contest » About: http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=2

23:14:49 mircea_popescu: bounce indeed.

23:14:58 mircea_popescu: im still trying to discern how they got it in.

23:15:06 fluffypony: on that HIGH note, it's bed time here, well as close to bed time as 1:15am is when the wife is fast asleep next to you

23:15:08 fluffypony: cheers all

23:15:14 mircea_popescu: later.

23:15:20 Naphex: imo, definitely a planted bug.

23:15:28 mircea_popescu: no question about it.

23:15:41 *: bounce hasn't checked the repo, if any. probably should.

23:15:45 mircea_popescu: question is who were the idiots and who were the patsies.

23:15:53 asciilifeform: still trying to discern how they got it in << this is by far the least surprising part. next, what, ask how the roaches got in the kitchen?

23:15:55 Naphex: i got screwed cause i had to compile from source to get ECDH.

23:15:57 mircea_popescu: bounce maybe you're the last guy on the internet that hasn't made copies.

23:16:00 bounce: there was also that = vs == in a linux syscall a while back

23:16:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. i'm exactly that sorta guy.

23:16:50 Naphex: so you go compile from source to get ECDH, to avoid stupid encryption restrictions

23:17:04 Naphex: then you get sniffed for all you have

23:17:15 Naphex: i'm guessing that was the logic behind it

23:17:37 bounce: probably not, but last in this channel, possibly

23:18:19 mircea_popescu: anyway, this suddenly makes tor significantly more useful. at least for a few weeks.

23:18:59 Naphex: until 12.00 GMT+2 mostly everything was vulnerable, and as the sploit went public everyone started sniffing everything.

23:19:02 Naphex: atleast that went right.

23:19:45 bounce: when did they move to git from cvs?

23:19:51 mircea_popescu: 2012 ?

23:19:54 mircea_popescu: whoa.

23:20:05 mircea_popescu: actually... they moved just with 1.0.1 didn't they ?

23:20:31 asciilifeform: herr mole couldn't be bothered to learn cvs.

23:20:54 asciilifeform: so, to be kind to him, git, which he was accustomed to.

23:20:59 mircea_popescu: this is fucking it is it ?!

23:21:06 mircea_popescu: holy cow no way.

23:21:34 bounce: apparently 2012-12-30 last cvs entries says timeline

23:21:43 mircea_popescu: this is promising. ty chan, and let it become part of the permanent record : more has been ruined by convenience than by any other sin.

23:22:16 asciilifeform: like germans who carried captured russian 'limonka' grenades by their rings.

23:22:28 asciilifeform: (german grenade had a convenient, almost identical ring that wasn't attached to the pin)

23:22:46 asciilifeform: very convenient.

23:22:53 Naphex: https://web.archive.org/web/20130202155024/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - move to git

23:22:54 ozbot: OpenSSL: Source, Repository

23:23:21 Naphex: https://web.archive.org/web/20130102200332/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - still cvs

23:23:22 mircea_popescu: talk about a product that owns its market. the french f1

23:23:22 ozbot: OpenSSL: Source, Repository

23:25:28 mircea_popescu: well this has been quite the day hasn't it.

23:25:49 bounce: bug introduced in 201112 says heartbleed.com, so in cvs

23:27:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00099727 = 14.261 BTC [-]

23:27:33 mircea_popescu: bounce they may not be exactly right. this will take a lot of work.

23:27:44 Naphex: http://cvs.openssl.org/timeline?d=30&e=2012-03-14&c=2&px=&s=1&dt=1&x=1&m=1&w=0 - Timeline

23:27:47 ozbot: OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface

23:27:47 Naphex: for the bug

23:28:03 Naphex: the checkins for 14 Marhc

23:28:05 Naphex: march even

23:29:46 Naphex: http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=22271 - and this is the changeview

23:29:47 ozbot: OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface

23:30:08 bounce: I got http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=21898

23:30:16 Naphex: pretty sneaky boundary check bug ;o

23:32:18 bounce: that code looks familiar when comparing the attached patch to http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2014-April/007405.html

23:33:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499195 = 0.22 BTC [+]

23:34:52 bounce: the guy's an academic with a bunch of publications and two rfcs to his name. time to send in some tin foil hats to check all that, too.

23:35:32 Naphex: who, steve?:)

23:42:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 19 @ 0.01015789 = 0.193 BTC [-] {4}

23:46:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]

23:50:16 dexX7: http://i.imgur.com/5PHeaHu.png << this is what a vulnerable webwallet returns