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Transcript for 08-04-2015, 911 lines:

00:01:06 pete_dushenski: right. in the walmart parking lot where you live.

00:01:43 trinque: I'd live in a sufficiently large vehicle

00:02:09 mats: you people...

00:02:15 trinque: wouldn't mind getting one of the vw camper vans at some point

00:03:16 mats: http://www.kansasrvcenter.com/inventory/442567/New-2015-Lifestyle-Luxury-RV-Alfa-Gold-3905SH-Motorcycle-Storage-Area.aspx

00:03:17 assbot: New 2015 Lifestyle Luxury RV Alfa Gold 3905SH Motorcycle Storage Area Fifth Wheels at Kansas RV Center Chanute Kansas Kansas RV Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fj8JPb )

00:03:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 459 @ 0.00274 = 1.2577 BTC [-] {4}

00:03:37 punkman: I like this, if only it had less hippies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnHGKUh-5O4

00:03:39 assbot: Unbelievable House Truck Transforms Into Fantasy Castle - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fj8N1n )

00:06:11 BingoBoingo: Firetruck is immenently useful in post USG world. Break out the hoses on former desk jockeys.

00:06:37 BingoBoingo: Also if you get one with a big tank, maybe some money smuggling freshwater into california.

00:07:02 trinque: punkman: I wouldn't mind seeing a non-hippy/burner version of that

00:11:06 punkman: re:monitors https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB49ad5UIAEqgaO.jpg:large

00:11:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybP8DM )

00:14:02 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: jekyll and hyde in america gone horribly wrong

00:21:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00027685 = 3.9313 BTC [+] {2}

00:27:22 BingoBoingo: Where's Africa http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/04/07/countries_that_have_developed_a_smallmolecule_drug.php

00:27:23 assbot: Countries That Have Developed A Small-Molecule Drug. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybQoXw )

00:28:28 pete_dushenski: !s backbox

00:28:29 assbot: 0 results for 'backbox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=backbox

00:29:02 BingoBoingo: !s blackbox

00:29:03 assbot: 8 results for 'blackbox' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blackbox

00:29:52 pete_dushenski: was looking for the linux distro..

00:31:15 BingoBoingo: http://www.backbox.org/ ???

00:31:16 assbot: Home | BackBox Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybQG0u )

00:32:02 pete_dushenski: mhm

00:38:13 BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`

00:47:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's a reason orlov et al live in boats and not trucks

00:48:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but I'm not just contemplating trucks, but trucks with flashing lights!

00:48:49 trinque: BingoBoingo: put a snow plow on the front too

00:48:51 trinque: good crowd control

00:48:56 asciilifeform: land vehicles are not only lacking in the distance-from-other-schmucks aspect of the boat, but in usa are specifically (ianal - check with up-to-date sources) excluded from the juridicial definition of 'home' for the purposes of search&seizure

00:49:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Excluded when moving or on a public right of way. when not moving on any private property they can rapidly convert to domicile

00:50:11 asciilifeform: iirc, only if said property is your own

00:50:25 BingoBoingo: Maybe.

00:51:03 BingoBoingo: Still in international waters pretty much any navy/coast guard reserves the right to conduct colonoscopy

00:51:24 asciilifeform: likewise, if your vehicle contains a toilet - you are more or less stuck at least frequenting the dismal ghettoschwitzes where such machines are typically kept at anchor

00:52:00 BingoBoingo: firetrucks don't have toilets, but they have shovels for digging your own toilets as needed

00:52:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in international waters, they need a reason to take detour

00:52:47 BingoBoingo: need is an awfully loaded word considering the incursions on the somali coast by nation-state actors

00:53:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've often wondered who will be the first in this century to fill a fire truck with petrol.

00:53:14 asciilifeform: the water tank, that is

00:53:36 asciilifeform: best done on a column of soldiers.

00:53:39 asciilifeform: don't light it!

00:53:51 BingoBoingo: I'd be worried about unloading petrol through pump designed for water. Pump might ignite itself

00:53:54 asciilifeform: it usually sinks in, goes the folk story, before anyone fires.

00:54:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6190 @ 0.00026897 = 1.6649 BTC [-] {2}

00:54:28 asciilifeform: surrender - get a shower.

00:55:29 BingoBoingo: Just have to avoid the tempation to follow the Roman firefighting tradition

00:55:39 BingoBoingo: Builds ill will with the locals

00:58:32 BingoBoingo: See Crassus

01:00:28 asciilifeform: (source of the 'flameless flamethrower' stratagem - u.s. grunts in vietnam, applied to rice paddies with hidden men)

01:00:41 *: asciilifeform wasn't there, cannot vouch for efficacy

01:02:08 BingoBoingo: Ah

01:38:25 BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard

01:41:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ill believe it when i see it.

01:52:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091529 << exactly zero chances of that sort of dumb shit to stick.

01:52:24 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 23:43:05; asciilifeform: a modern 'jfk' might not be shot, but petraeused or childpronned instead

01:52:47 mircea_popescu: it wouldn't stick on anyone else, like p, except they keep confessing like the pastiass dickless shitheads they are.

01:53:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091532 << o yea ? somehow i dun see it.

01:53:15 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 23:44:14; asciilifeform: and before mircea_popescu observes that 'no one has the balls' - if the 'balls-enabled' jfk appeared, a 'counter-jfk' would materialize out of thin aether

01:55:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091539 << what is this dumb shit ?

01:55:15 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 23:48:55; ben_vulpes: apropos of nothing: https://kmikeym.com/questions/85

01:57:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091555 << not to mention you wouldn't be stuck with the impotent sort of potheads that crowd a "orgy rv" to the point of total cockblockage.

01:57:09 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 23:57:31; pete_dushenski: though i'll take a plane and high-end hotel room any day, and i'll still come out ahead on costs compared to 'high-end rv'

01:58:18 mats: i'm watching "Blackhat" atm, p funny so far

01:59:07 mats: .cn sysop uses yubikey at his terminal, "he's using gpg encryption... it'll take me at least a month to crack it... it must be at least a 512 bit key"

01:59:31 mats: er, these are distinct things, but anyway.

02:00:16 danielpbarron: the kmikeym thing is "the first publically traded person"

02:00:21 danielpbarron: Of course it's not a real share like you might buy on the NYSE or NASDAQ. There is no company behind KmikeyM and so the "ownership" you hold is actually a just a metaphor for trust. We have built a fully-functional market simulation and we borrow a lot of language and concepts from the business world in order to make the process easy to understand.

02:00:29 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << not to mention you wouldn't be stuck with the impotent sort of potheads that crowd a "orgy rv" to the point of total cockblockage. << But... Firetruck. They put the lotion on the skin, or they get the hose again

02:00:40 mircea_popescu: yeah. right.

02:01:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20041 @ 0.00027723 = 5.556 BTC [+]

02:04:34 asciilifeform: mats: wut.

02:05:02 asciilifeform: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2717822 << l0l! apparently - exists

02:05:03 assbot: Blackhat (2015) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJ9RzT )

02:05:29 *: asciilifeform cannot bring himself to watch 'hacking' films newer than 'war games'

02:05:51 asciilifeform: !s zebra hitler

02:05:52 assbot: 2 results for 'zebra hitler' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zebra+hitler

02:07:05 mircea_popescu: i never saw a good "hacking" film.

02:07:11 mircea_popescu: alw\ays loathed the genre.

02:07:12 asciilifeform: afaik there are none

02:07:15 asciilifeform: nor could there be.

02:09:02 mats: i was told michael mann is known for making relatively accurate movies

02:09:22 mats: oh wow these chinese shooters don't know how to clear rooms

02:09:45 BingoBoingo: !b 2

02:09:46 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GAKKY9.txt )

02:09:54 asciilifeform: who clears rooms by shooting, anyway

02:10:02 asciilifeform: i thought the civilized way was with frag

02:10:14 mats: civilized way is with four dudes and a perimeter.

02:10:33 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i thought the civilized way was with frag << With flash and bang unless you know walls actually protect yourself

02:10:42 asciilifeform: 'you enter a room in pairs. first your frag, then you' (ru adage)

02:11:07 mats: those fatal funnels are a bear.

02:11:53 TomServo: mircea_popescu: ever seen Sneakers?

02:12:00 mircea_popescu: nope

02:12:25 TomServo: Best 'hacking' movie I can think of.. maybe check it out.

02:12:57 mircea_popescu: 1992 ?!

02:13:15 TomServo: That's the one

02:13:33 mircea_popescu: robert redford dan akroid ok im not watching this.

02:13:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34137 @ 0.00027034 = 9.2286 BTC [-] {2}

02:13:37 mircea_popescu: but thanks for playing.

02:14:23 mircea_popescu: magical box that breaks secrets, this isn't a film about hacking, this is scherezade in a "modern" color scheme.

02:14:35 mircea_popescu: has as much to do with computers as with aladin.

02:15:50 asciilifeform: somebody (greg egan?) had a short story with such a box, that wasn't utterly retarded

02:16:18 asciilifeform: the catch was that the magical box didn't really break the crypto, but distorted the universe to fit the operator's preconceptions of what the plaintext was.

02:16:27 asciilifeform: to lulzy result.

02:16:58 mircea_popescu: this is why i fucking hate sf.

02:17:46 nubbins`: more woodcollector lulz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11015914#msg11015914

02:17:47 assbot: [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJbrls )

02:17:52 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 << neato

02:17:52 assbot: So who's running the Courts circus ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJbrBU )

02:18:25 mircea_popescu: yeh.

02:18:41 mircea_popescu: mats you rly should add sources to all that, impossibru to follow in snippets like that.

02:20:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` no fucking way. you actually recognized a... WINDOW AND PLUG assembly ?

02:20:08 mats: sources? the url is appended to the end

02:20:19 *: nubbins` snaps on hat

02:20:25 nubbins`: detective nubs

02:20:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00027723 = 6.0436 BTC [+]

02:20:46 mats: the ones that don't, i found on westlaw but not the crawlable internets

02:21:00 mircea_popescu: ps. nubbins` : Your an idiot, and that is not the argument i am having.

02:21:07 nubbins`: HEH

02:21:16 hanbot: <mircea_popescu> i never saw a good "hacking" film. << for prime cheese: WarGames, 83

02:21:18 nubbins`: i'm starting to think that it is i who is wc

02:21:40 mircea_popescu: hanbot yeah i skipped that.

02:21:56 mircea_popescu: mats ah look at that right you are! nice.

02:22:29 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: mats has been on this for a while. I almost contributed then... qntra. Dude's been digging like mad.

02:22:32 nubbins`: mats doin that homework

02:22:46 mircea_popescu: 0 In U.S. v. Scarfo (Criminal Action No. 00?404 (NHP)), Politan denied << that one has nothing for instance.

02:23:14 mircea_popescu: 0 In U.S. v. Friedman (No. 95?CR?192 (S?3)(ARR), < etc. but they do have the indexes so that's pretty good

02:23:21 mircea_popescu: what was the problem, no internet available data ?

02:23:37 mats: no data available on the specific action, usually

02:23:54 mircea_popescu: aha.

02:24:33 mats: usually data available for the relevant case

02:24:49 BingoBoingo: ;;google B-52 polar growl

02:24:50 gribble: B-52s fly to North Sea, Arctic for NATO exercise - Air Force Times: http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/04/06/nato-training-b52-arctic/25357999/; POLAR GROWL strengthens Allied interoperability, essential ...: http://www.afgsc.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123444130; Polar Growl strengthens allied interoperability, bomber navigation ...: (1 more message)

02:24:55 mircea_popescu: !rated mats

02:24:55 assbot: You have not rated mats.

02:25:02 nubbins`: damn, no donations to payout address for task 1.

02:25:11 nubbins`: why'd i spend all that time looking up judge names anyway ;/

02:25:15 mircea_popescu: !rate mats 1 Lotta paralegal work on http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/

02:25:15 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7fc091826ba17d09

02:25:15 assbot: So who's running the Courts circus ? on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJcsd0 )

02:25:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i thought it was global ?

02:26:36 nubbins`: mm?

02:27:39 mircea_popescu: people had a way to donate specifically, if they wanted, but the bulk is global.

02:28:32 nubbins`: ahh, i see

02:28:33 mats: i'm fairly convinced this project has gone as far as it can go without professional input

02:28:55 *: nubbins` re-reads actual article

02:29:23 mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "professional"

02:29:48 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.mats.1:060bf7cf7cce64b6ee03db87caa7bb232b33ee77d9fe4a7c4e07fcbfff58b46d

02:29:49 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mats with note: Lotta paralegal work on http://fraudsters.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/

02:30:37 mircea_popescu: "and viola Nubbins is a monkeys uncle."

02:30:39 mircea_popescu: slowclap.

02:30:57 nubbins`: morbidly fascinating neh

02:33:03 mircea_popescu: well... "the people have rights", right ? and everyone's the same, right ? at which point we can spend forever talking over the internet with clearly disturbed ignorant idiot.

02:36:29 BingoBoingo: mats single handedly took on the legal equivalent of pogo linux and won

02:37:48 mircea_popescu: mats how much did you spend on this btw ?

02:40:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00027602 = 8.805 BTC [-] {2}

02:41:38 mats: the legal database access was free due to my use of a university's subscription and something in the neighborhood of 400 hours

02:42:52 nubbins`: :o

02:45:49 mircea_popescu: no i meant time

02:46:02 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:46:23 mircea_popescu: this has to be a meme. mats pic and the caption "i don't always go on research binges on the internet. but when i do, we're talking 400 hours bish!"

02:46:35 punkman: nubbins`: lol, how many accounts does that guy have on the forum

02:47:08 mircea_popescu: nubbins` your such an idiot man.

02:47:57 mircea_popescu: i did it in my digital print dirivitive. also i added some ants, because it kinda looks like a spider web which makes sense.

02:49:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Alt flameless flamethrower, various ergot products and DMSO

02:50:02 punkman: ants love playing in spider webs

02:51:58 mircea_popescu: "i have 0 cookies and am so locked down that i have to log in every time a page changes"

02:52:01 nubbins`: in the meantime, i realized that another one of his old customers is also into casascius coins, as he bid on my auction

02:52:05 mircea_popescu: 7.5 proxies.

02:52:14 nubbins`: so it's uh, not just blazed that paid the guy $$$$ for wood :o

02:52:15 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this was considered by various folks (in somewhat different variant) and the answer is that the product breaks down in water unacceptably quickly.

02:52:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i have my doubts blazed paid him anything.

02:52:36 mircea_popescu: more like "here's something, say you paid me a lot for it, it'll look good on both of us"

02:52:43 mircea_popescu: sorta like ver "invested" in whatever the shit.

02:53:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can store seperatley though, especially in complex apparatus with multiple pumps and tanks

02:53:13 asciilifeform: <BingoBoingo> mats single handedly took on the legal equivalent of pogo linux and won << considerably more interesting than pogo linux

02:53:24 mircea_popescu: different things, not serializable.

02:53:36 asciilifeform: (which, after all, is a pretty standard 'we have a router, now let's a linux' affair)

02:54:28 mircea_popescu: "I'm calling you out on this one, answer or lose whatever credibility you had because there is 1 MILLION percent no way you have a single shred of proof that i am anyone or anything especially some guy in vietnam who sells wooden shit and if you ain't going to back up your BS i will rally every single body that you pulled your fake "probable alt of _____________" and lead a campaign of ensuring you never have the credi

02:54:29 mircea_popescu: bility to do it again."

02:54:55 nubbins`: where's the threat post...

02:54:58 asciilifeform: tilt

02:55:50 mircea_popescu: badbear being i suppose one of the very few people who managed to wade through the tardsforum and more or less retain some sort of credibility.

02:56:19 nubbins`: lel here's another alt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=423829.msg4629992#msg4629992

02:56:19 assbot: I need your creativity for 2 minutes PLEASE ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJgoe0 )

02:57:07 nubbins`: bitcoinsociety@yahoo.com was the email used to register the weird cats website, as well as a bunch of random asic mining-related domains

02:57:12 nubbins`: :S

02:57:38 asciilifeform: when did sc4mz0rz stop using 'reg by proxy' services ?

02:57:46 punkman: "I have decided to use half my bitcoin ( about 3,300 coins ) to form a self funded organization with the sole purpose of helping to spread information about bitcoin to the world through mass media, local "troops" or small groups, a website, blog, billboards, magazine ad's, TV. and whatever else 3,300 bitcoins will afford me."

02:57:48 asciilifeform: i mean, wtf, elementary

03:01:29 punkman: "Guerilla marketing is probably the most effective means, vinyl stickers at urinals on mirrors under drive thru windows under the drive thru speaker bumper stickers and the great thing about bitcoin is the stickers could actually have a qr code that links you to some free satoshis so people that never considered buying bitcoin just have to pull out there phone"

03:01:40 punkman: good thread

03:02:16 mircea_popescu: check it out, it's like 2011.

03:02:40 punkman: 2011 or 1981, I mean stickers?!

03:02:56 mircea_popescu: when all the world is young lad, and every scribble a business plan...

03:03:34 punkman: "Nitrogen i totally agree with you on the gorilla marketing idea, I have had lots of ideas on how to move forward, but lost myself in aggravation for 2 days not being able to name it."

03:04:15 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/

03:04:16 assbot: A deal can be anything. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTVkee )

03:05:52 nubbins`: heh

03:05:55 asciilifeform: the marvel is not the continued existence of the woodcollectors, as such, but of the plankton they eat

03:05:58 nubbins`: i give up, it's socks all the way down

03:06:04 nubbins`: guy makes socks to call out his other socks for being socks

03:06:21 nubbins`: \o/

03:06:22 mircea_popescu: the wonders of a living wage, and generaly welfare etatism.

03:06:30 mircea_popescu: people gotta do *something* with all that time.

03:06:34 mircea_popescu: dirivitives.

03:06:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if this character didn't have a grueling day job

03:07:20 punkman: grueling day job and time to make 250 forum accounts?

03:07:22 mircea_popescu: his wife/mother supports him.

03:07:26 mircea_popescu: women are fucking dumb like that.

03:07:32 mircea_popescu: recall the case of the "forum banker" dude ?

03:07:38 mircea_popescu: cartels, stuff ?

03:07:46 asciilifeform: grueling day job could easily be -where- he made 250 accounts

03:07:51 nubbins`: ^

03:07:52 asciilifeform: not on official orders, naturally

03:07:55 punkman: then not grueling

03:07:56 asciilifeform: but while waiting for bell to ring

03:08:01 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/

03:08:02 assbot: Bitcoin Lolcows, the musical. Today, Kludge on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJhNB6 )

03:08:03 punkman: more like browsing job

03:08:06 nubbins`: grueling day job walking the aisles, looking for shoplifters

03:08:34 asciilifeform: nubbins`: can you picture how many folks are paid to sit (not necessarily even at a computer, could be a pNohe in one hand) and wait for a bell to ring ?

03:08:38 nubbins`: actually no i'd say he's a full time scammer

03:08:49 nubbins`: the wood coins, the digital prints, the cats for sale, the bullets...

03:09:04 nubbins`: he gets enough dribbles from actual suckers to make it worth doing

03:09:19 asciilifeform: then - not a 'welfare case', no ?

03:09:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy's not doing anything sueful. he's too broadly illiterate to ever be able to get a job, and his attitude precludes the sort of job you're thinking about.

03:09:36 mircea_popescu: his manager would basically make him crawl six hours a day.

03:09:38 nubbins`: prob on social assistance, prob supplementing it with scams.

03:09:47 nubbins`: prob sells dope too.

03:09:51 mircea_popescu: nubbins` not even. just, full time internet imbecile. like a "wikipedia editor" or something.

03:09:59 mircea_popescu: "twitter famous"

03:10:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he could easily be something like a sysadmin

03:10:22 asciilifeform: or some other 'guardhouse' type

03:10:23 mircea_popescu: and i bet you he does not. he gets enough dribbles in the sense of, attention, to keep whatever unfortunate woman paying the bills.

03:10:28 nubbins`: sysadmin who smokes and owns a lathe?

03:10:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sysadmin ? DUDE

03:10:35 nubbins`: although

03:10:38 mircea_popescu: gtfo already. sysadmins CAN SPELL

03:10:41 nubbins`: his hands do look purdy.

03:10:41 mircea_popescu: tf

03:10:42 *: asciilifeform was once a sysadmin

03:10:43 mircea_popescu: df

03:10:45 mircea_popescu: WTF WAS IT

03:10:50 mircea_popescu: msaux

03:10:57 mircea_popescu: nado stuff.txt

03:11:15 mircea_popescu: hisbory | greb "wut u sae"

03:11:22 nubbins`: heu

03:11:28 decimation: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/power-company-investigated-after-carbon-monoxide-kills-family/ < speaking of welfare state. derp decided to stop paying power bill, power was cut, derp then decided to run gas generator inside the house, killed self and offspring

03:11:29 assbot: Power company investigated after carbon monoxide kills family - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJig6z )

03:11:41 asciilifeform: ^ l0l saw that earlier

03:11:44 asciilifeform: darwin nominee

03:11:44 mircea_popescu: power company should get subsidy.

03:11:53 mircea_popescu: "$1000 for each head"

03:12:00 decimation: Todd had received assistance paying his utility bills in the past, but did not apply for help this year, said Tom VanLandingham, who directs the Office of Home Energy Programs in Somerset County. Families can apply once a year, and assistance is based on household income and energy use, among other factors. "We're all kind of baffled as to why he did not apply this year ... that's the million-dollar question," VanLandingham said

03:12:02 decimation: before the utility's announcement.

03:12:06 decimation: lol

03:12:15 asciilifeform: interesting detail that it was generator and not a stove

03:12:30 asciilifeform: typically they try to set up a stove and gasenwagen

03:12:40 decimation: so in the us, you can work to pay usg tax, or work to beg from usg

03:13:05 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/7w3WLGo

03:13:06 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJir1F )

03:13:14 nubbins`: ^ i suppose those qualify as sysadmin hands

03:13:16 decimation: "Court records identified the boys as Cameron and ZhiHeem, and the girls as Tyjuziana, Tykeria, Tynijuzia, TyNiah and Tybreyia. "

03:13:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` imo looks like a woman's hand.

03:13:29 asciilifeform: ^^

03:13:33 asciilifeform: that was my thought

03:13:37 decimation: me too

03:13:59 mircea_popescu: yeah, harem agrees. that's a woman.

03:14:01 decimation: is the ring finger shorter than the index?

03:14:11 mircea_popescu: actually, i'l; go on a limb and say that is THE woman.

03:14:17 asciilifeform: ^ iirc that heuristic doesn't werk

03:14:26 mircea_popescu: guy is "managing" her, they make up "a team". he's the "marketeer" because he "can bullshit"

03:14:32 decimation: asciilifeform: sure it does

03:15:00 mircea_popescu: "Tyjuziana, Tykeria, Tynijuzia, TyNiah and Tybreyia." << ;/

03:15:08 mircea_popescu: who wouldn't want to try out an orgy with these five ?

03:15:17 asciilifeform: decimation: which way was it supposed to work again ?

03:15:44 decimation: http://discovermagazine.com/2013/may/04-finger-length-ratio-can-predict-aggressive-behavior-and-risk-of-disease

03:15:46 assbot: Finger Length Predicts Health and Behavior | DiscoverMagazine.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTWzKw )

03:16:12 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> recall the case of the "forum banker" dude ? << Kludge!!!

03:16:15 decimation: longer ring finger = more manly

03:16:20 mircea_popescu: and by "predict" we mean "random correlations"

03:16:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ayup

03:17:16 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e42e4ae7dee18106d5e60a02bfeae56c/tumblr_ng1mlr62AZ1sovis0o1_1280.jpg

03:17:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTWGWh )

03:17:17 asciilifeform: decimation: i oughta be a eunuch if it were true

03:17:43 decimation: you have a longer index finger?

03:18:04 asciilifeform: aha

03:18:28 decimation: supposedly one study found it correlated with prenatal testosterone

03:18:32 asciilifeform: i remember reading this crap years ago and calling bull

03:19:50 asciilifeform: maybe we oughta do phrenology next

03:20:07 mircea_popescu: if by it you mean "this looks like a woman's face" ?

03:20:10 asciilifeform: it makes considerably more sense on the surface than the finger thing

03:21:51 asciilifeform: the weird thing about woodsc4mz0r's hands is the lack of whiskers

03:22:25 asciilifeform: (perhaps he did feynman's magic trick with petrol hands one too many times?)

03:23:20 decimation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2732043/

03:23:22 assbot: Human 2D (index) and 4D (ring) finger lengths and ratios: cross-sectional data on linear growth patterns, sexual dimorphism and lateral asymmetry from 4 to 60 years of age ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJjI8W )

03:23:50 decimation: are you left handed ascii?

03:23:57 asciilifeform: nope

03:25:13 decimation: it's amusing to me that this is actually a controversial point

03:25:39 decimation: how hard would it be to recruit a few thousand people to get a hand xray on a calibrated machine

03:25:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00027894 = 13.0683 BTC [+] {2}

03:25:52 *: BingoBoingo is alternately left or right handed depending on the task at... hand

03:25:57 decimation: apparently 'medical researchers' have better things to do

03:26:26 asciilifeform: decimation: no need for xray, just buy off some outfit that handles 'palmprint' door locks for usg

03:26:56 decimation: heh

03:27:08 decimation: yeah a camera under glass would work

03:31:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00027163 = 3.5991 BTC [-] {2}

03:37:25 decimation: asciilifeform: reading more about the ubiquiti thing, it's not obvious to me that replacing with freebsd would do anything

03:37:49 decimation: one would have to replace the bootloader, and apparently they are refusing to release their mods to u-boot source code

03:37:50 asciilifeform: decimation: it gets rid of the read-only mtd

03:38:08 asciilifeform: decimation: you don't need their mods, except if you're working on exposing the particulars of the fraud

03:38:17 asciilifeform: decimation: just build from scratch as i did for 'pogo'

03:40:44 decimation: asciilifeform: aye, would have to dick around with u-boot and the data sheet

03:41:30 decimation: http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/07/major-power-outage-in-dc-affecting-umd-white-house/ < But it was a 230,000 volt line that shorted. Partially charred ceramic insulators show electric crews what went wrong at a Charles County switching station, causing midday confusion and triggering a widespread blackout across D.C. and its suburbs.

03:41:32 assbot: Pepco: Downed Transmission Line Responsible For D.C. Power Outages « CBS Baltimore ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJlXJs )

03:41:40 decimation: it's rare that a major distribution line fails like that

03:41:51 decimation: they are supposed to inspect those for exactly this kind of issue

03:42:11 decimation: ^ the power line was probably coming from the nuke plant on the chesapeake bay

03:43:22 BingoBoingo: decimation: Last summer My town suffered a 12+ hour blackout because the largest incoming transmission line melted

03:44:32 asciilifeform: the 'one fallen wire' story is a lie of omission

03:44:40 asciilifeform: there is normally redundancy in the grid.

03:44:56 asciilifeform: the 'one wire,' even if true, can only be the 'straw that broke camel's back'

03:44:59 decimation: yeah, that's a good point

03:45:16 asciilifeform: none of the mouthpieces will discuss this, no surprise

03:45:19 asciilifeform: but it remains.

03:46:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the line falls right out of the transformer, like first 100 feet, it may cut it out

03:48:15 decimation: http://www.utilitydive.com/news/cascading-outages-hit-maryland-and-dc-conflicting-reports-emerge-over-caus/384088/

03:48:16 assbot: Cascading outages hit Maryland and DC; conflicting reports emerge over cause | Utility Dive ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJmNG3 )

03:48:34 decimation: it does sound like someone fucked up

03:48:44 decimation: beyond the line failure

03:48:47 asciilifeform: or chinese '3 point' test.

03:49:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, turns out luxury not so luxurious after all ?

03:49:24 decimation: re: earlier discussion about power generation

03:49:26 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the 'one wire,' even if true, can only be the 'straw that broke camel's back' << It was August during peak consumption. Amren stopped delivering anything through the town's 5 MW backup line so the 30 MW transmission line failed at 38.5 MW and started a small swiftly contained brush fire. (/me thinks he got the units right)

03:49:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i heard nothing about caviar spoiling in the fridges at 'lockheed' or 'raytheon'

03:49:43 decimation: actually I think the end result is going to be a mass migration away from centralized power to solar

03:49:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform white house was out of power.

03:49:53 decimation: solar has dropped to $3 per watt installed

03:50:01 mircea_popescu: dja understand how un-american htis is ?

03:50:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whorehouse was also out of power, i bet

03:50:21 decimation: in certain areas of the us, you could buy enough solar panels to power yourself indefinitely for the price of a car

03:50:26 mircea_popescu: "However, there were also multiple reports about an explosion or fire, including a reported explosion at a southern Maryland power plant. "

03:50:32 asciilifeform: decimation: power in the middle of a clear day, sure

03:50:33 mircea_popescu: odds are this was a successful terrorist hit, actually.

03:50:38 asciilifeform: decimation: when not including airconditioner

03:50:40 mircea_popescu: exactly matches the denial pattern

03:50:56 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, I'm including overage

03:50:56 BingoBoingo: <decimation> actually I think the end result is going to be a mass migration away from centralized power to solar << local hillbill town is about to add solar farm on abandoned manufactering ground to supplement diesel, on coop's dime

03:51:09 decimation: obviously one needs batteries, and that's the rub right nwo

03:51:21 BingoBoingo: NiFe Ftw

03:51:34 mircea_popescu: "Pepco cited a "dip in voltage" as the cause of the outage in its release." derp. the cause of the outage was caused by the cause of the causative agent.

03:51:53 decimation: right, what that means is "Pepco said some stuff, hoping folks would quit asking"

03:52:16 decimation: generally the strategy for utilities is to smile and nod, and wait until next week when nobody gives a shit

03:52:36 mircea_popescu: this was actually bombed.

03:53:00 mircea_popescu: "A Charles County, Maryland official confirmed to Utility Dive that an explosion occurred at a substation. However, CBS reported that their sources tell them there was no explosion at all, while the Associated Press reported that the explosion occurred at a power plant."

03:53:11 asciilifeform: there is -always- explosion at substation!

03:53:15 asciilifeform: this is what happens on overload

03:53:23 mircea_popescu: three people three stories and fractured exactly on the lines of, local authority | propaganda mouthpiece | international agency

03:53:30 asciilifeform: of american-style grid, at any rate

03:53:40 mircea_popescu: actually it should just cut off.

03:53:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how knows when to cut ?

03:53:59 asciilifeform: overcurrent

03:54:11 asciilifeform: it's a classic 'how to get fuse that blows before the rest of it' problem

03:54:17 asciilifeform: and is only solvable to a limited extent

03:54:18 decimation: looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkDCS8xeobg

03:54:20 assbot: Power Plant Substation Explodes - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzTXWV )

03:54:23 mircea_popescu: afaik mostly a solved problem on 200kv lines

03:54:23 asciilifeform: while we're at it,

03:54:38 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/5UygqI4 << piss-poor t3rr0r1s7, did not even nail my puny hovel

03:54:39 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzU1WE )

03:55:15 decimation: asciilifeform: that's a serious ups!

03:55:31 asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/29/us/california-power-substation-attacked-in-2013-is-hit-again.html << obligatory oldie

03:55:34 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzU8BE )

03:56:17 asciilifeform: http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/FBI-Attack-on-PG-amp-E-substation-in-13-wasn-t-5746785.php << 'not terrorism!!'

03:56:20 assbot: FBI: Attack on PG&E South Bay substation wasn't terrorism - SFGate ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJnHST )

03:56:53 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/92005a6eace093a5d9ab0155287886fe/tumblr_nhb1a24ONa1rlg8wdo1_1280.jpg

03:56:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GJnM98 )

03:57:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right, it's only terrorism when mentally retarded derps do nonsensical shit.

03:57:17 asciilifeform: aha.

03:57:28 asciilifeform: the rest is called 'war'

03:57:31 mircea_popescu: when lifelines are taken out by unidentified parties with access to a lot of resources, it's... uh.

03:57:36 asciilifeform: specifically, 'losing a war'

03:57:40 mircea_popescu: "a cause caused a causation"

03:58:26 nubbins`: here's woodcollector a year ago, with a miner group buy scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452850.msg5046715#msg5046715

03:58:27 assbot: [ CLOSED ] VX-1 Miner Group Buy - Free 1 TH/s Miner Giveaway ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzUA31 )

03:58:44 nubbins`: feb 2014 :o

03:58:46 decimation: it's complicating, our brain trust is taking care of it

04:00:24 mircea_popescu: vx lol.

04:01:12 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/98bac6ee0b3f13d32834aee33295b4a8/tumblr_ngj6scZaxu1u5ddqjo2_400.gif << chump in chumpatron.

04:01:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzUZ5h )

04:01:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unstable bukkake ?

04:01:57 mircea_popescu: lol i guess

04:02:33 decimation: http://www.utilitydive.com/news/why-utilities-could-soon-face-massive-load-defection-and-how-they-can-prev/383558/ < "In only 15 years, RMI research shows, load defection by 9.6 million residential customers in just the Northeastern states could be approximately 58 million megawatt-hours (MWh) annually. Valued at an estimated $15.4 billion, that would be about half the projected utility residential energy sales."

04:02:34 assbot: Why utilities could soon face massive load defection, and how they can prevent it | Utility Dive ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzV9JT )

04:04:17 asciilifeform: ... and what, the furnaces to refine si for panels will also, somehow, run on solar? or is it just that this takes place 'on mars' (asia) and not physically real, somehow

04:04:59 decimation: asciilifeform: as long as the chinese government is willing to subsidize production, why not?

04:05:52 asciilifeform: 'A couple of blocks from the White House, the lights went off for about 30 seconds at the Warner Theatre as Oprah Winfrey delivered a speech honoring Maya Angelou during the dedication of a new postage stamp. After a few seconds, the sound system began to work again, and Winfrey continued her delivery until the lights returned.'

04:05:59 asciilifeform: this could almost be a scene from 'atlas shrugged'

04:06:10 decimation: hehe yeah

04:07:08 mircea_popescu: decimation vehehehehery risky approach this

04:07:12 mircea_popescu: no free lunch and all that.

04:07:33 decimation: what's free? people get tired of blackouts, buy own solar panels & batteries

04:07:44 mircea_popescu: and wtf, they are still derping with that angelou broad ? what, she's "a poet" ?

04:07:58 asciilifeform: decimation: 'buy'

04:08:00 mircea_popescu: decimation china "subsidizes" it like sar subsidizes oil. to fuck the us.

04:08:12 decimation: aye, and the us thinks it is 'winning'

04:08:15 asciilifeform: decimation: not one in 500 usa inmates could afford any of it without subsidy

04:08:25 decimation: well, this is probably true

04:08:38 asciilifeform: not to mention that not one in 10 installations will cover the wattage of the house ac at full sun

04:08:41 decimation: but because it gets added to the real estate bezzletron, it'll get funded

04:09:02 decimation: that part isn't clear - it depends where the house is located

04:09:10 asciilifeform: most solar aficionados forgo the batteries entirely (!)

04:09:16 decimation: in the sunny west, maybe, not so much in the dreary northeast

04:09:24 decimation: ^because batteries are terrible now

04:09:27 asciilifeform: in favour of the meter running backwards mid-day and getting credit on the tab

04:09:50 asciilifeform: batteries come in 'terrible', 'abominable,' and 'abysmal'

04:10:19 mats: anyone remember silicon valley plant going down because of ak47 fire?

04:10:27 decimation: http://www.rtcc.org/2015/03/23/falling-battery-prices-boost-outlook-for-electric-vehicles/

04:10:28 assbot: Falling battery prices boost outlook for electric vehicles ... ( http://bit.ly/1FzWwZc )

04:10:28 asciilifeform: mats: see earlier link!

04:10:36 asciilifeform: mats: some of us remember very, very well.

04:10:38 decimation: batteries can still be terrible and work okay if they become cheap

04:10:49 decimation: economically I mean

04:11:10 asciilifeform: decimation: if thermodynamically expensive - the game ends sooner than chumps expect.

04:11:35 mats: im surprised it hasn't happened again. short teh DJIA, start shooting up coolant rooms at various plants...

04:11:50 asciilifeform: mats: it is quite conceivable that it happened again. today.

04:11:56 decimation: as the article notes, it's already economical to run 'off grid' solar+batteries in hawaii

04:12:03 decimation: but that's because hawaii is fucktarded

04:12:20 asciilifeform: though it is hard to understand why the plotters did not decide to shoot in mid-july

04:12:29 asciilifeform: rather than now, with room-temperature weather

04:12:37 mats: practice run for the summer.

04:13:28 asciilifeform: practice was in 2013.

04:14:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33606 @ 0.00026489 = 8.9019 BTC [-] {2}

04:20:01 asciilifeform: economics - thermodynamics == chumpatronics.

04:20:25 asciilifeform: magic formula.

04:20:45 asciilifeform: sufficient to cover that idiot kickstarter where 'use your freezer as air conditioner!!11!1' to the battery thing.

04:24:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12509 @ 0.00026774 = 3.3492 BTC [+]

04:29:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3902 @ 0.0002796 = 1.091 BTC [+] {2}

04:30:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9613 @ 0.00028014 = 2.693 BTC [+]

04:37:36 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> practice was in 2013. << Regional differences in the US electric grid are extreme

05:11:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21837 @ 0.00028143 = 6.1456 BTC [+] {2}

05:34:22 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

05:34:27 gribble: Current Blocks: 351209 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 1590 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48776199716.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.35539

05:41:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25728 @ 0.00028213 = 7.2586 BTC [+] {3}

05:47:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00028295 = 9.6486 BTC [+] {2}

05:56:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00028552 = 3.3549 BTC [+]

06:26:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11205 @ 0.00027965 = 3.1335 BTC [-]

07:00:01 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

07:00:11 BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Thank you for the comments on qntra

07:00:40 felipelalli: BingoBoingo: welcome! it's an honor.

07:04:56 felipelalli: BingoBoingo: so, let's implement that idea? The ransomware promises: deposit X bitcoin to account XYZ and we'll free your data. Then, do nothing! No more "good bad guys", no more hope. lol

07:05:40 BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Well the entire idea of ransomware is premised on people getting their data back if they pay.

07:05:50 felipelalli: only in this way they'll stop to funding criminals.

07:06:09 felipelalli: BingoBoingo: exactly. This will destroy this idea.

07:06:12 BingoBoingo: If people stop paying entirely or people stop returning data selectively the thing falls apart

07:06:32 felipelalli: BingoBoingo: that's the idea!

07:07:12 BingoBoingo: As seriously as people build up the ransomware threat the entire ecosystem is awfully precarious. One could readily kill it with ransomware that did not honor a ransom

07:07:19 felipelalli: BingoBoingo: making a "really lier" ransomware would accelerate this process. hahaha

07:08:15 BingoBoingo: The risk associated with doing such a thing isn't likely worth it compared to other ventures in BTC which are far nobeler to hang for

07:08:35 felipelalli: yes. I was kidding anyway. But would be fun!

07:11:38 felipelalli: would be the terror of the scammers. A "fake scammer" but "really bad and lier" would make the long-term good, after all.

07:11:46 felipelalli: funny to think about it.

07:13:48 felipelalli: This made me remember this: https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Defending%20the%20Undefendable_2.pdf

07:13:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jn2VIl )

07:13:52 BingoBoingo: Really the best insulation in bitcoin is a sense of history

07:14:25 felipelalli: what do you mean with "insulation" in this context?

07:15:07 felipelalli: chap III 6. The Blackmailer. Nice chapter. You read crying.

07:15:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34750 @ 0.00027923 = 9.7032 BTC [-] {3}

07:15:33 BingoBoingo: felipelalli: That healthy sense of skepticism that keeps pirateat40 from replaying over and over on the same scale

07:16:49 felipelalli: BingoBoingo: yes. it's true.

07:20:29 felipelalli: 4:20 AM here, good night BingoBoingo! Thanks for conversation.

07:20:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00027794 = 1.8205 BTC [-]

07:21:27 BingoBoingo: k, later

07:48:17 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1091654 <<< should've suggested swordfish if ya gonna troll :P

07:48:17 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 02:11:53; TomServo: mircea_popescu: ever seen Sneakers?

07:59:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7593 @ 0.00027794 = 2.1104 BTC [-]

08:20:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19653 @ 0.00027955 = 5.494 BTC [+]

08:25:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32627 @ 0.00027761 = 9.0576 BTC [-] {3}

08:38:02 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif

08:38:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKfhk )

08:38:49 mircea_popescu: lol

08:41:49 cazalla: this million dollar extreme dude has some funny shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWFaG_7RySI

08:41:51 assbot: Gutta Man (Sam Hyde) stand-up, May 2nd, 2013 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKPeN )

08:50:40 mircea_popescu: is he trying to sound like drexl ?

08:54:08 cazalla: dunno who that is, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14jqZ-bVx3c

08:54:10 assbot: Williamsburg Street Fashion ☠ 1 of 3 ☠ "Emmm..." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JnfmE8 )

08:54:16 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDJ8ocSN5GE

08:54:17 assbot: True Romance Gary Oldman Drexl HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jnfq6I )

09:01:16 cazalla: mircea_popescu, good movie? might treck down to the video shop and hire it out

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09:07:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5073 @ 0.00027034 = 1.3714 BTC [+]

09:31:28 funkenstein_: gamechanger or vaporware?

09:31:29 funkenstein_: http://lightning.network/lightning-network-paper-DRAFT-0.5.pdf

09:31:30 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1c7sxy4 )

09:36:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00027348 = 2.434 BTC [+] {2}

09:38:56 funkenstein_: !s beautyon

09:38:57 assbot: 64 results for 'beautyon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beautyon

09:40:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00028535 = 3.2815 BTC [+] {3}

10:17:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14977 @ 0.00027307 = 4.0898 BTC [-]

10:19:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00027203 = 4.7061 BTC [-]

10:24:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00026445 = 3.2395 BTC [-] {2}

11:04:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.00027136 = 10.176 BTC [+] {3}

11:16:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00026369 = 9.2819 BTC [-]

11:27:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00027824 = 6.316 BTC [+] {2}

11:31:17 nubbins`: lel

11:31:23 nubbins`: found WC's house

11:31:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36103 @ 0.00026258 = 9.4799 BTC [-] {4}

11:38:36 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/BCR5p09.png

11:38:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJ1RzX )

11:38:49 nubbins`: ^ from the realtor who sold the house 2 years ago ;0

11:41:05 punkman: heh

11:42:31 nubbins`: the fact that the realtor still has videos of the inside of the home on youtube is a separate matter, but...

11:55:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92927 @ 0.00025845 = 24.017 BTC [-] {2}

11:59:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39699 @ 0.00027659 = 10.9803 BTC [+] {2}

12:28:32 nubbins`: wow, guy paid less than $30k for his house.

12:32:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00026512 = 6.0978 BTC [-]

12:53:52 nubbins`: okay, and now i've got his name, his wife's name, and his company's name

13:01:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100436 @ 0.00027753 = 27.874 BTC [+] {4}

13:02:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11414 @ 0.00028114 = 3.2089 BTC [+]

13:21:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32156 @ 0.00027031 = 8.6921 BTC [-]

13:25:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15370 @ 0.00027117 = 4.1679 BTC [+] {2}

13:45:29 lobbes: <nubbins'> okay, and now i've got his name, his wife's name, and his company's name << once you chomp down on a scammer, you don't let go, do you? ;/

13:54:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34804 @ 0.00027123 = 9.4399 BTC [+] {2}

13:56:49 mats: make a few c.o.d. purchase orders for office supplies

14:03:00 punkman: send him a piece of driftwood

14:03:07 nubbins`: lobbes guy threatened to do unspecified things to me, what else am i to do?

14:03:25 nubbins`: anyway i'm pretty sure the house is owned by his parents or in-laws

14:03:35 nubbins`: either that or the guy is in his mid 70s

14:03:51 nubbins`: but yeah. deeds dating back to the early 80s for this property

14:04:03 nubbins`: all the way up to feb 2014

14:07:48 nubbins`: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling?

14:25:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13385 @ 0.00025862 = 3.4616 BTC [-] {2}

14:26:01 mats: https://syscan.org/index.php/download SyScan 2015 slides

14:26:02 assbot: SyScan :: Download Section ... ( http://bit.ly/1yVrvtL )

14:41:03 lobbes: <nubbins'> lobbes guy threatened to do unspecified things to me << O.o Link in the logs? This guy sounds like a full-time scammzor (with the 'miner group buy' scam, et al). Plenty of sustenance in that forum, too

14:48:55 lobbes: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling? << prolly just uses lathe on cats he finds on the street

14:49:42 nubbins`: haha

14:50:03 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1011340.msg11016307#msg11016307

14:50:04 assbot: [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1N9mfyp )

14:52:28 punkman: "Within 5 minutes of you starting in with your shit i had people messaging me your address in Canada, Your phone number, the address for your print shop, more information than anyone would want someone like me to know if they wated to start shit, its very clear that you have pissed a lot of people off in the past with this shit you pull as they all came rushing in to DOX the fuck out of you, and i am just asshole enough to make use of i

14:53:01 punkman: "How many pizzas do you think i can have delivered to you at home and work, how long do you think i can tie up your phone with robo dial, ever heard of swatting? " << this guy...

14:53:24 punkman: did anyone ever get swatted in canada?

14:54:17 mats: canada has swat?

14:55:01 danielpbarron: someone from -otc sent me a pizza once; just so happened to be the same day as my weekly poker game so i just paid for it

14:58:02 mats: so helpful

15:03:43 Chillum: punkman: No "swat" but I have had a battering ram knock in my door and cops with shields and guns rush in. They have a different name

15:04:18 Chillum: it was a misunderstanding, I was acquitted

15:09:33 nubbins`: punkman my full mailing address is already on the forums

15:09:40 nubbins`: so i don't know what the guy's bragging about :P

15:09:48 *: nubbins` makes no effort to hide personal info

15:10:45 nubbins`: also, given the number of times i've called the cops on shady dealings in my neighbourhood, i've got my doubts that any cop would do anthing to my door beyond politely knocking on it

15:10:49 nubbins`: but hey, we can all dream

15:53:52 nubbins`: https://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/BruceWayneWoodArtist

15:53:53 assbot: Wooden Creations By Artist Bruce Wayne by BruceWayneWoodArtist ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsIMD3 )

15:53:53 nubbins`: lel

15:57:28 danielpbarron: !ud bruce wayne

15:57:59 danielpbarron: ;;ud bruce wayne

15:57:59 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bruce+Wayne | Residing in Gotham City, billionaire Bruce Wayne is a well respected socialite, philanthropist, and owner of the multinational conglomerate, Wayne Enterprises.

15:58:50 Chillum: sounds like a nice guy

16:03:00 nubbins`: yeah

16:03:22 nubbins`: anyway, got a solid bead on the guy now. found the construction company he started in NY in 2010

16:03:39 nubbins`: he says he's ordering dinner for me, which is thrilling

16:05:57 mats: report the etsy store

16:06:12 mats: obv not 'hand carved'

16:09:07 mats: https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/04/06/to-catch-a-spy-biometrics-cia-border-security/ lol

16:12:32 fluffypony: nubbins` is an alt of BadBear?

16:12:37 fluffypony: this guy is reaching

16:12:39 *: nubbins` shrugs helplessly

16:15:37 fluffypony: I wonder if I can fake a pic of the 1000 coins

16:15:40 fluffypony: and claim I found them

16:19:18 nubbins`: hmm

16:19:22 nubbins`: i would actually like this

16:19:31 nubbins`: blockchain analysis says this didn't happen, but w/e

16:29:59 mats: ;;seen kakobrekla

16:29:59 gribble: kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 51 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <kakobrekla> http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif

16:34:08 nubbins`: i hope WC orders me a good type of pizza

16:39:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 381 @ 0.00277787 = 1.0584 BTC [+] {3}

16:48:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 371 @ 0.00273 = 1.0128 BTC [-] {4}

16:48:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 388 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0603 BTC [-] {3}

16:51:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 390 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0657 BTC [-] {2}

16:54:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 518 @ 0.00271505 = 1.4064 BTC [-] {6}

16:54:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 390 @ 0.00273265 = 1.0657 BTC [-] {4}

16:57:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0002593 = 2.5411 BTC [+]

17:05:47 mod6: <kakobrekla> http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif << haha

17:05:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PiKfhk )

17:17:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00026303 = 2.7618 BTC [+]

17:18:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 474 @ 0.00279282 = 1.3238 BTC [+] {9}

17:20:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 412 @ 0.00280484 = 1.1556 BTC [+] {4}

17:21:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 835 @ 0.00282564 = 2.3594 BTC [+] {8}

17:22:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 431 @ 0.00284088 = 1.2244 BTC [+] {5}

17:23:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5481 @ 0.00026303 = 1.4417 BTC [+]

17:33:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00026303 = 5.0633 BTC [+]

17:34:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4514 @ 0.00026303 = 1.1873 BTC [+] {2}

17:35:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00026502 = 6.5062 BTC [+] {2}

18:11:31 mats: https://cansecwest.com/csw15archive.html

18:11:32 assbot: CanSecWest Applied Security Conference: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1a68kHp )

18:11:47 mats: https://cansecwest.com/slides/2015/SCADASL%20-%20root%20via%20sms%20CanSec%20v4%20last.pptx

18:12:15 mats: ^ 'Bootkit via SMS: 4G access level security assessment'

18:15:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35400 @ 0.00025647 = 9.079 BTC [-] {3}

18:17:48 nubbins`: SSD showed up

18:17:56 nubbins`: purple pogos still in ontario ;/

18:20:07 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/cq5h23e

18:20:08 assbot: TotesMessenger comments on There is a targeted attack on Bitcoin occurring right now, coordinated by national agencies. I know this because I am an insider with prior involvement in a key operation. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PknucE )

18:23:56 punkman: http://www.rinsedaily.com/drexel-university-professor-sends-anal-bead-porno-to-class/

18:23:58 assbot: Drexel University Professor Sends Anal Bead Porno to Class ... ( http://bit.ly/1a6avKM )

18:35:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7694 @ 0.00025393 = 1.9537 BTC [-]

18:40:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14936 @ 0.00026631 = 3.9776 BTC [+] {2}

18:47:54 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:48:06 ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/22CZGG0 << mirror of the (since censored) reddit turd

18:48:07 assbot: dpaste: 22CZGG0: mirror of crud ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pks0rT )

18:53:27 lobbes: "DISRUPT - Divide community consensus and steer towards Operational and COMMAND objectives by means of standard counter-actor and sabotage procedures."

18:53:48 ascii_field: it's a snore.

18:55:35 ascii_field: reddit users: does it have to be a moderator who deletes a piece, to result in the '[removed]' label?

18:55:38 ascii_field: or can user do it himself.

18:57:08 lobbes: I believe a user can remove his own, though I'm not sure if that results in the [removed] label

18:57:18 ascii_field: afaik it does not.

19:06:06 lobbes: I think you are correct. I just did a quick test; no [removed] flag. Just disappears from the page. Going to the url just displays the 'by [deleted]' flag

19:06:15 lobbes: looks to be censored

19:07:03 ascii_field: or 'censored'

19:12:43 ben_vulpes: who's on the qntra /reddit as usg mouthpiece/ beat?

19:15:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3764 @ 0.00026954 = 1.0145 BTC [+]

19:23:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9955 @ 0.00025522 = 2.5407 BTC [-]

19:36:29 fluffypony: I just got a spam mail

19:36:34 fluffypony: from Coinbase

19:36:42 fluffypony: "Want to become a professional investor? Our first short-term investment program starts today - GET 150% FOR A 10-DAY DEPOSIT."

19:36:57 fluffypony: "Investors who want to apply, please make a deposit to 12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso or click the link below https://blockchain.info/qr?data=12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso&size=400"

19:37:01 fluffypony: here's the odd thing

19:37:27 fluffypony: Received: from o1.em.coinbase.com (o1.em.coinbase.com. [])

19:37:27 fluffypony: by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w20si10513481icc.3.2015.

19:37:27 fluffypony: for <ric@spagni.net>

19:37:32 fluffypony: and it has a valid DKIM signature

19:37:56 fluffypony: "em.coinbase.com designates as permitted sender"

19:38:11 fluffypony: (appears to be a sendgrid.net mail)

19:38:27 fluffypony: so I think CoinBase's SendGrid account has been compromised?

19:46:15 ben_vulpes: cavirtex acquired by coinsetter

19:46:37 mircea_popescu: o.O

19:46:53 mircea_popescu: wait, in this lalaland of imaginary imaginations the newspapers acquire the failed banks ?

19:47:20 ben_vulpes: your symbol table's borked

19:47:23 mircea_popescu: oh, i see, because they have no btc, all they have is "mindshare", and in respect to that pseudo-capital coinsetter is better capitalised than cavirtex ?

19:47:29 mircea_popescu: mostly because coinsetter thinks it can print ?

19:47:46 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which one am i confusing ?

19:47:56 ben_vulpes: newspapers?

19:48:27 ben_vulpes: sure, coinsetter's not liked around here but grok i not how 'tis a newspaper.

19:49:02 mircea_popescu: what is it, iyo ?

19:49:17 mircea_popescu: an "information aggregator" ?

19:49:55 ben_vulpes: http://www.coinsetter.com << that

19:49:58 assbot: Trade Securely on Wall Street's Bitcoin Exchange - Coinsetter ... ( http://bit.ly/1aL5AjK )

19:50:48 mircea_popescu: dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks

19:51:14 ben_vulpes: integrity check to mircea_popescu's symbol table please

19:51:41 mircea_popescu: !s coinsetter

19:51:42 assbot: 14 results for 'coinsetter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coinsetter

19:52:11 mircea_popescu: Jaron Lukasiewicz Bitcoin CEO/Founder o.O

19:52:16 ben_vulpes: they may have some slave in the third world cranking aggregation on their blog, perhaps that's what's got you spun.

19:53:20 *: mircea_popescu shrugs.

19:53:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2013#7424

19:53:23 assbot: Logged on 30-04-2013 01:55:22; mjr___: kakobrekla: "The skateboard ride to Saks today was a little rough, but the skateboard back was great!" I am not joking that is the latest status update from coinsetter CEO...he's a nice guy

19:54:22 mircea_popescu: i dunno why they were filed under "just another subreddit" but w/e.

19:54:40 mircea_popescu: it honestly doth not seem so very mistaken upon review.

19:55:40 mircea_popescu: the angel list thing they got is a tad lulzy. ( https://angel.co/coinsetter )

19:55:42 assbot: Coinsetter | AngelList ... ( http://bit.ly/1CpI6X4 )

19:55:44 mircea_popescu: Ben Davenport

19:55:45 mircea_popescu: Co-founder & CPO at @BitGo. Co-founder of @Beluga. Running Bitcoin syndicate on AngelList.

19:55:58 mircea_popescu: Timothy Bhattacharyya MD

19:55:58 mircea_popescu: ?

19:55:58 mircea_popescu: I believe in markets and trading to increase the wealth of the world."

19:56:07 mircea_popescu: an' Charles DiMaggio. an' silbert, of course.

19:57:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00025472 = 2.8147 BTC [-]

19:58:14 mircea_popescu: trinque http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2015#1091054 << wtf happened here ?!

19:58:14 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 15:20:37; deedbot-: accepted: 2

19:58:33 mircea_popescu: oh nm got bundled with later thing.

20:00:45 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:00:56 ascii_field: heap fragging in bitcoind.

20:01:40 mircea_popescu: no ?

20:01:46 ascii_field: almost certainly yes.

20:02:30 mircea_popescu: definitely yes.

20:02:47 mircea_popescu: it's been danced around with all sorts of patches and whatnot, but multiple ddos avenues related to fragmentation.

20:03:16 ascii_field: anyone mention it before i just now ?

20:03:50 mircea_popescu: i know bitcoinj ran into it plentifully.

20:10:46 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

20:10:48 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 246.0, Best ask: 246.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 246.01, 24 hour volume: 38386.95711616, 24 hour low: 242.72, 24 hour high: 256.4, 24 hour vwap: None

20:24:42 mircea_popescu: ascii_field part of the problem is that you're stuck mushing together items that can arbitrarily be anything between 100 bytes and whatever, 250kb. and there's a lot of them. no way to allocate but dynamically, willy-nilly keep getting them allocated and deallocated and again and again.

20:24:57 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i know what heap fragging is

20:25:19 mircea_popescu: no, i just mean, with bitcoin is to some degree unavoidalbe, because txn.

20:25:43 ascii_field: entirely avoidable if one plans for it

20:25:58 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

20:26:04 ascii_field: typically this is handled with custom 'multi-generational' allocator

20:26:35 mircea_popescu: yes but it's worse than that : if you have an elegant alocator and the people do not, your chain will fork and theirs will not.

20:26:51 mircea_popescu: this is one of those places where bug to bug compatibility rears it's ugly butt.

20:27:46 jurov: what part of buttcoin depends on memory allocation?

20:27:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if allocator leads to fork, it is wrong

20:27:58 mircea_popescu: kinda why idiots (and by that i mean satoshi) shouldn't be allowed to code in the first place. but hey, we believe in the power of belief...

20:28:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it will construct and mine a block that makes everyone else crash, conceivably.

20:28:28 mircea_popescu: and subtly, to boot.

20:28:45 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: a proper 1m block should never be able to 'make everyone crash'

20:28:59 jurov: even improper

20:29:13 ascii_field: if such a thing could, then bitcoin is buggy and the sooner it is detonated, the better

20:29:23 mircea_popescu: i am atm not sure it couldn't.

20:29:34 mircea_popescu: in fact, this has happened (not due to the heap issue, true)

20:29:43 ascii_field: the bdb thng ?

20:29:48 mircea_popescu: yes the locks thing

20:29:57 mircea_popescu: note very similar issue : exhausted locks, exhausted heap...

20:30:16 ascii_field: it was an epic lameness and a number of folks ought to have felt the stake

20:30:42 mircea_popescu: yeah well. let me propose something for you here. just for curiosity's sake, a rough model.

20:31:11 mircea_popescu: so i broadcast 50k 140 byte txn. you allocate these, they fail, you deallocate them. before you had time to go through the lot however,

20:31:14 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude i swear there was a different coinsetter that was trying to be a sort of coindeks << I constantly run into new ventures that imagine they are qntra competitors

20:31:26 mircea_popescu: i also broadcast 50k 150 byte txn. these go in your pile, and on fresh memory.

20:31:30 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

20:31:51 mircea_popescu: by the time you're entirely exhausted, i broadcast some more txn and mine a block with them.

20:32:15 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> who's on the qntra /reddit as usg mouthpiece/ beat? << There is a fraudsters post tracking this phenomenon, but if you want to elevate it to a sustained operation go for it.

20:32:33 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this in fact happens 'in the wild.' the only reason it does not lead to forks where folks with, e.g., 1GB of ram wheel off into a parallel universe from folks with 2GB, and 4GB, etc. is,

20:32:48 ascii_field: that the fragging issue itself results in ludicrously overpowered boxes being put to use

20:32:48 mircea_popescu: that everyone uses about as much ram ?

20:32:54 mircea_popescu: right.

20:32:59 mircea_popescu: but it remains a problem, this.

20:33:00 ascii_field: where the garbage has time to coalesce

20:33:20 mircea_popescu: note that this is one of the majorest issues lurking in the "larger blocks"

20:33:34 mircea_popescu: currently the 1mb limit is blessfully keeping THIS (among its many sisters) under the water.

20:34:02 mircea_popescu: that gavin [pretends like he] doesn't know such is exactly why the verbiage as to the retarded boy in one of my articles debunking the nonsense.

20:34:44 jurov: i don't see the issue why that would lead to fork per se.

20:35:10 jurov: you just flush the disk cache by your misallocations and then take longer to verify the block

20:35:19 mircea_popescu: but do you mathematically see the proof where it never would ?

20:35:23 mircea_popescu: different standards here.

20:36:33 mircea_popescu: in general, going by the "never one single bug in kitchen, and noting that bdb locks are a resource of the kind that pointers are, just one easier to exhaust, i propose this as likely, on the basis of my business heuristics.

20:36:43 mircea_popescu: which obviously differ from your coder heuristics. but differ to our benefit.

20:37:08 jurov: bdb is much more coplicated and hard to debug api than malloc/free

20:37:40 mircea_popescu: every word is complicated for whosoever doesn't read.

20:38:08 mircea_popescu: and the bitcoind allocation scheme isn't a jewel or anything.

20:39:07 ascii_field: 'isn't a jewel' << mega-understatement of the century

20:39:34 jurov: nothing is a jewel here

20:39:43 mircea_popescu: fuck you, i'm a jewel.

20:40:03 jurov: yea, like you never make mistakes

20:40:11 mircea_popescu: no, like a jew.

20:40:14 mircea_popescu: only with -el.

20:40:14 ascii_field: like sapper.

20:40:26 ascii_field: sappers get to make their one mistake.

20:42:47 ascii_field: at any rate, this gedankenexperiment is an interesting one - where does 'bug for bug compatibility' legitimately stop? are we obligated to crash for 1GB of uncoalesceable crud, or 2GB? 4? 16?

20:43:17 mircea_popescu: this afaik has never been seriously measured

20:43:30 mircea_popescu: we don't care atm, because we know experimentally the system as deployed is stable.

20:43:34 ascii_field: didn't say that it was (except that it - was, i measured)

20:43:44 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, before any sort of change, like say a block size increase, this will have to be measured

20:43:48 mircea_popescu: among many other things

20:43:57 ascii_field: more high-level dilemma here

20:44:02 mircea_popescu: not among which, the opnion of reddit, the headers of miners etc.

20:44:15 ascii_field: at what point do 'we' get to proclaim that folks using the buggy version are retarded ?

20:44:26 mircea_popescu: not how this is handled.

20:44:38 mircea_popescu: we explain the problem, publish the measuring tools, let people declare themselves retarded.

20:44:39 *: ascii_field has no idea how, or even whether, this is handled.

20:44:42 mircea_popescu: once enough do... problem solved.

20:44:52 mircea_popescu: before... we wait.

20:45:01 mircea_popescu: like i've been waiting, on many things, for many years.

20:45:14 ascii_field: and until then, what? we are required to leak at the same rate as which extant bitcoind?

20:45:17 ascii_field: gavin's?

20:45:20 ascii_field: the java turd ?

20:45:27 mircea_popescu: until then, we hang out in irc.

20:45:29 ascii_field: we don't even know for a fact what it is the miners use..

20:45:34 mircea_popescu: and say yes and no as people ask and wonder.

20:46:21 mircea_popescu: as teh expression goes, "relax, you have plenty of time. tomorrow - you die."

20:46:32 ascii_field: to continue with the line of thought, as soon as we so much as frag less than gavin's turd, someone - anyone - could send us off on a fork of less-retardation.

20:46:45 ascii_field: simply by churning out 'godelian' blocks for gavincoin

20:49:04 mircea_popescu: maybe. it's a complicated thing.

20:50:00 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31umjo/3m_video_are_intel_processors_compromised/

20:50:02 assbot: 3m video "are Intel processors compromised?" #welcometorealpolitics #bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amuUff )

20:50:29 nubbins`: man, reddit's taking a page from the book of alf today o.O

20:52:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939 @ 0.00025223 = 1.2458 BTC [-]

20:53:38 ascii_field: snore.

20:55:44 ascii_field: http://danluu.com/cpu-backdoors << not the first time a usg shill spins amd's lack of encipherment or signature enforcement on microcode updates as a weakness

20:55:46 assbot: CPU backdoors ... ( http://bit.ly/1amwkq8 )

20:56:09 ascii_field: 'oh noez non-crippled hardware, someone other than usg could modify it'

20:56:42 punkman: AMD's "management engine" equivalent is also bad, isn't it though

20:57:25 ascii_field: punkman: not mandatory

20:58:26 ascii_field: or, another instance of this idiocy,

20:58:37 ascii_field: at one time there was much crowing re: a 'xilinx fpga backdoor'

20:58:50 ascii_field: turned out, it was possible to read back the bitstream from a 'locked' unit

20:59:05 ascii_field: 'oh noez, the chip is auditable when we don't want it to be! boobytrap!'

20:59:17 ascii_field: and a few microcontrollers, ditto

20:59:27 ascii_field: in every single case, it was a 'oh noez this is accidentally auditable'

20:59:42 ascii_field: oh noez the user is not caged properly! there are a few loose bars!

21:00:09 punkman: ascii_field: not mandatory, as in I can get a motherboard without it?

21:00:19 ascii_field: pathetic buggers, doing the one and only thing they are good at - 'spinning the controversy'

21:00:24 ascii_field: punkman: yes.

21:00:47 ascii_field: punkman: for how long - cannot say

21:00:50 punkman: guess I'll have to look into that

21:01:02 punkman: any part numbers you'd recommend?

21:01:17 ascii_field: punkman: i'm partial to older 'tyan' boards

21:01:52 ascii_field: (e.g. 'thunder' series, '07 and prior)

21:04:53 mircea_popescu: ascii_field have you seen the recent "gamer desktops" recommendations btw ? nothing but intel.

21:04:55 mircea_popescu: "it's better"

21:04:59 mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure it is lawl.

21:05:29 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:05:32 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is not a subject i regularly follow.

21:05:42 mircea_popescu: nor i, but since ima play eulora...

21:06:34 ascii_field: but i will point out that it has become -nearly- impossible to assemble a proper workstation without recourse to 'antiques' vendors

21:07:23 ascii_field: and among portable computers, amd is extinct other than in 'disposable' models

21:07:44 mircea_popescu: seems teh usg-consensus pretty much is to make amd extinct.

21:08:33 *: punkman spies old Athlon cartridge on bookshelf

21:09:04 jurov: lolwut, eulora will need recent hardware?

21:09:16 ascii_field: jurov: iirc it uses 3d graphics...

21:09:29 *: ascii_field actually does not own a 3d card

21:09:42 ascii_field: believe or not.

21:09:49 jurov: 3d as needed by eulora is here... 10years or so?

21:10:16 mircea_popescu: jurov just about yeah

21:10:47 mircea_popescu: it's not very demanding.

21:11:32 mircea_popescu: punkman wasn't the "management engine" an intel thing ?

21:14:27 punkman: mircea_popescu: AMD has an equivalent

21:14:33 ascii_field: it does.

21:14:37 punkman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/14/amd_plugs_chip_firmware_holes/

21:14:38 assbot: AMD plugs firmware holes that allowed command injection • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1amB1jF )

21:14:51 punkman: I think I linked that video before

21:14:56 mircea_popescu: im not disputing that, just, what was it called.

21:15:06 punkman: System Management Unit (SMU)

21:15:10 mircea_popescu: ah yes

21:15:19 mircea_popescu: other one was ame or ami or something

21:15:31 punkman: AMT?

21:15:46 mircea_popescu: somethng like that

21:16:13 punkman: let's just call it CANCR

21:24:55 BingoBoingo: Back in college the phrasing to trigger a smoke break was "Do you think you can handle a cigarette now?" "I think I Can, Sir."

21:34:13 mats: http://www.amazon.com/What-Makes-It-Page-Windows/dp/1479114294 << this is excellent, for those that feel compelled to learn about windows 7

21:34:14 assbot: What Makes It Page?: The Windows 7 (x64) Virtual Memory Manager: Enrico Martignetti: 9781479114290: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1amFHWN )

21:34:34 ascii_field: mats: yes it is!

21:35:14 mats: finally got myself a hard copy after some searching of the interwebs. nobody has bothered to warez, yet...

21:35:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25539 @ 0.00025467 = 6.504 BTC [+] {3}

21:35:29 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846852.msg9447582#msg9447582

21:35:30 assbot: [WTB] Exotic woods from around the world with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amFYcf )

21:35:43 nubbins`: ^ here's where woodcollector agrees to make the "$14,000 wooden B" for... 1 btc.

21:35:48 nubbins`: so there's yr answer i guess

21:36:18 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846852.msg9450425#msg9450425

21:36:19 assbot: [WTB] Exotic woods from around the world with Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1amGarP )

21:36:24 nubbins`: "just keep it $200 - $400 range and impress me."

21:36:49 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:38:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16692 @ 0.00025522 = 4.2601 BTC [+]

21:38:47 jurov: obama should ask him for $1T wooden bitcoin next time he's got probs with fed

21:39:15 fluffypony: lol

21:39:28 fluffypony: Obama should just find the secret case

21:40:09 nubbins`: ^^^^^^^^^^^^

21:40:36 nubbins`: also, he never ordered supper for me like he said he would >:(

21:44:21 mats: youtube.com/watch?v=zvImG-0uIX4

21:47:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00027389 = 8.0934 BTC [+] {2}

21:53:16 BingoBoingo: Solaris 12 moving to pf as default/only firewall https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=142822852613581&w=2

21:53:18 assbot: 'pfi_kif leaks for PBR rules' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1amJGT3 )

22:07:39 mircea_popescu: who even runs solaris anymore.

22:08:26 mircea_popescu: ;;google ebay assus m5a78l

22:08:27 gribble: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 | eBay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/bhp/asus-m5a78l-m-usb3; AMD X8 Core FX-8350 4.0Ghz & ASUS M5A78L-M USB3 ... - eBay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMD-X8-Core-FX-8350-4-0Ghz-ASUS-M5A78L-M-USB3-Board-CPU-Bundle-/150946558067; ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 Socket AM3+ AMD mATX Motherboard - eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-M5A78L-M-USB3-Socket-AM3-AMD-mATX- (1 more message)

22:08:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably jsut a handful of "businesses" that found themselved locked in

22:09:03 mircea_popescu: hmm so the ~90 i paid for it isn't really THAT outrageous.

22:31:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57689 @ 0.00025817 = 14.8936 BTC [-] {5}

22:44:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13746 @ 0.00025086 = 3.4483 BTC [-]

22:45:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092078 << how much would you want someone to pay for a house in fuckbuckett.

22:45:00 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 12:28:32; nubbins`: wow, guy paid less than $30k for his house.

22:45:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092088 << best.

22:45:21 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 14:03:00; punkman: send him a piece of driftwood

22:45:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092094 << you don't have to be licensed if you handbreed them.

22:45:58 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 14:07:48; nubbins`: i wonder if he's a licensed breeder for those purebred cats he's selling?

22:47:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092107 << internet toughboi sends many pizzas (=9) to house of his archenemy that doesn't even know about it just as archenemy (that doesn't know about it) was having random party. arrives just in time, everyone's happy.

22:47:44 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 14:55:01; danielpbarron: someone from -otc sent me a pizza once; just so happened to be the same day as my weekly poker game so i just paid for it

22:48:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092110 << lol wait, you were acquitted of police breaking and entering ?

22:48:27 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 15:04:18; Chillum: it was a misunderstanding, I was acquitted

22:48:40 mircea_popescu: "your honor, this man is totally innocent of what the police did to his house."

22:49:15 mircea_popescu: holy shit this guy is ALSO bruce w ?

22:49:19 mircea_popescu: what is with this name.

22:50:05 lobbes: everybody wants to be batman, I guess

22:50:06 mircea_popescu: https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/226944173/large-wenge-purpleheart-hand-turned-wood?ref=pr_shop << i coulda sworn i saw this somewhere before.

22:50:07 assbot: Large Wenge & Purpleheart Hand Turned Wood by BruceWayneWoodArtist ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7BylC )

22:51:57 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092172 << another mirror -> https://archive.today/http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/

22:51:57 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 18:48:06; ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/22CZGG0 << mirror of the (since censored) reddit turd

22:51:58 assbot: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31vl7q/there_is_a_targeted_attack_on_bitcoin_occurring/: There is a targeted attack on Bitcoin occurring right now, coordinated by national agencies. I know this because I am an insider with prior involvement in a key operation. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7C1V1 )

23:08:10 jurov: anyone can explain to me why the reddit turd is considered seriously here?

23:08:25 jurov: please?

23:08:52 BingoBoingo: jurov: I've got nothing.

23:10:04 jurov: i get nothing, too :D

23:11:13 mats: slow day.

23:14:44 mats: http://i.imgur.com/O5rYZZS.gifv

23:14:45 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWoKMT )

23:19:05 mircea_popescu: jurov i think peeps be trolling

23:19:17 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds.

23:19:27 mircea_popescu: grind that shit fine enough, throw it in the air...

23:19:52 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which, i have nfi why they don't use cocoa powder to disperse crowds. << You just end up with a different crowd with a heavier category of people

23:19:52 mod6: "in fuckbuckett." lol

23:20:11 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ?

23:20:12 jurov: i'd like to try stevia sometime. it is already available in fine powder

23:20:14 mircea_popescu: can't fucking breathe.

23:20:21 jurov: or a combiantion

23:20:46 mircea_popescu: jurov "PDFs/PPTs or it didn't happen." was pretty good...

23:21:06 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo nah, you ever seen what happens if you accidentally a bag ? << I get the most delicous coffing fits.

23:21:31 mircea_popescu: right ?

23:21:41 mircea_popescu: i mean people would come with their freshly baked cookies for a dusting...

23:21:47 mircea_popescu: just changes the shape of the crowd.

23:24:03 jurov: crowdshaping

23:33:08 BingoBoingo: Fuck, grandpa had a stroke Friday and he's already back to walking around normally. The only thing that seems to have changed is he actually takes his blood pressure medicine.

23:36:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00025959 = 10.4745 BTC [+] {2}

23:37:10 BingoBoingo: Only only hope that if I make it to 90 I can be that durable.

23:40:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00026302 = 4.4187 BTC [+]

23:41:21 mircea_popescu: depends on how you eat.

23:41:59 BingoBoingo: I guess I better get a hold of meals on wheels

23:42:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092133 << sounds roughly worth the lulz

23:42:19 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 16:15:40; fluffypony: and claim I found them

23:46:08 TomServo: cazalla: should've suggested swordfish if ya gonna troll :P << shit, I was serious. I must be using my rose-tinted glasses on this one. I'mma have to rewatch this now.

23:47:35 mircea_popescu: so are we gonna call teh usg ops "tiki taka" ? seems adequately derpy...

23:48:12 mircea_popescu: "oh we shall send people in #bitcoin-assets as per standard counter-actor and sabotage procedures to be made within hours and laughed at all the way to the front desk."

23:49:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092189 << apparently no investors ?

23:49:54 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 19:36:57; fluffypony: "Investors who want to apply, please make a deposit to 12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso or click the link below https://blockchain.info/qr?data=12imkbv4SzUJ3tdWT9j2yfuGirrsHoMDso&size=400"

23:50:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092197 << either that or they've been spamming since forever as business / usual.

23:50:20 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 19:38:27; fluffypony: so I think CoinBase's SendGrid account has been compromised?

23:51:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you care enough about coinbase to write up this latest lulz ?

23:52:52 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I haven't been up long enough to get good sourcing on it. If someone else want to write it up I'd check and publish it.

23:55:09 BingoBoingo: fluffypony ^

23:58:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00025634 = 11.9198 BTC [-] {3}

23:59:12 BingoBoingo: lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31wjt7/coinbase_scam_email_alert/cq5nbch

23:59:14 assbot: cqm comments on *****COINBASE SCAM EMAIL ALERT***** ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6evGJ )