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00:00:06 BingoBoingo: For that announcement I imagine Obama wearning Mr. T's gold chains

00:01:51 ThickAsThieves: GS has that under control

00:02:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly that'd prolly strengthen the euro

00:02:19 ThickAsThieves: they gave a roadmap for EURUSD parity, and now it's happening

00:03:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not at first. First it strengthens the Dinar, or whatever the fuck ISIS uses. Probably fucking Dogecoin.

00:03:10 ThickAsThieves: which i guess means they wanna buy EUR?

00:03:17 BingoBoingo: ISIS would use fucking Dogecoin.

00:03:43 ThickAsThieves: or maybe they just wanna vacation in EUR more

00:04:33 BingoBoingo: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+smuggle+dollars&t=canonical

00:04:33 assbot: how to smuggle dollars at DuckDuckGo

00:06:21 BingoBoingo: First result: https://www.ice.gov/bulk-cash-smuggling-center/faq/

00:07:57 artifexd: TIL my wife is guilty of "bulk cash smuggling". I wonder if there is a reward.

00:12:14 mircea_popescu: How common is bulk cash smuggling?

00:12:15 mircea_popescu: Every year, hundreds of people try to smuggle more than $10,000 across U.S. borders in order to avoid reporting requirements. In fiscal year 2013 alone, ICE HSI special agents arrested over 520 individuals who were attempting to smuggle currency and seized more than $59 million in bulk currency or monetary instruments.

00:12:24 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 59*10**6 / 520

00:12:24 gribble: 113461.538462

00:12:37 mircea_popescu: this seems shockingly ineffectual.

00:15:10 cazalla: mircea_popescu, http://www.bitcoinprivilege.com/cazalla_forum_posts.html past weeks posts

00:15:11 assbot: Forum Posts

00:15:19 mircea_popescu: danke.

00:15:30 BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure this is why the ruskies used stamps

00:15:34 mircea_popescu: i mean... "bitcoin, 100x larger than all the ice results in 2013" ?

00:15:56 mircea_popescu: "How does bulk cash smuggling affect our country?

00:15:56 mircea_popescu: Bulk cash smuggling damages our economy by removing billions of dollars from the commerce of the United States. "

00:16:02 mircea_popescu: ahem. 59 mn != billions.

00:16:19 mircea_popescu: they must be thinking of the billion and a half in bills the contractors took over to the taliban in iraq ?

00:17:49 BingoBoingo: Mebbe

00:18:38 BingoBoingo: I wonder if there is a dollar bill version of fast and furious, where Instead of ATF and guns the treasury just dumped a bunch of money on the cartels

00:19:04 mircea_popescu: yeah, actually.

00:19:39 kakobrekla: or the success rate is lower than 5.9%

00:21:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18141999 = 0.9071 BTC [+] {4}

00:24:24 BingoBoingo: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/06/world/americas/9-year-old-joyrides-in-city-bus/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

00:24:25 assbot: Boy, 9, goes joy riding in city bus, police say - CNN.com

00:25:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how would they know ?

00:26:17 kakobrekla: not the scope of this discussion!

00:27:13 mircea_popescu: decimation btw, here's a curio : while darwin published in 1956, there's a little book of anon fiction published in 1844, "Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation"

00:27:17 mircea_popescu: pretty much the same fare.

00:28:14 BingoBoingo: I've always assumed the metallic ink on higher denomination US bills was to create X-ray shadows

00:29:09 mircea_popescu: lol kako arguing liek an ancient lawyer nao :D

00:33:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00080211 = 5.6148 BTC [+]

00:49:22 cazalla: !s peernova

00:49:23 assbot: 0 results for 'peernova' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=peernova

00:49:32 cazalla: "Digital CC Limited (trading as digitalBTC)(ASX: DCC) (the Company or digitalBTC) is pleased to announce it has leased ~11% of its first generation mining capacity to PeerNova Inc., for an upfront payment of US$460,000."

00:49:38 cazalla: first time i've heard of this peernova mob

00:50:17 mircea_popescu: "digital cc limited" is not exactly famous either.

00:50:54 cazalla: i only follow it because they're au based

00:51:09 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure that logo we've lolled at beofre tho

00:51:57 cazalla: peernova or digital btc?

00:52:00 cazalla: or both

00:52:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00080131 = 0.601 BTC [-]

00:53:06 mircea_popescu: http://peernova.com/product/petaone-rack/ << so wait... these people both make miners and pay 450k to rent miners ?

00:53:08 assbot: PetaOne Rack – PeerNova

00:53:30 mircea_popescu: this is starting to sound a whole lot like usagi on steroids.

00:54:11 mircea_popescu: "BitVest Digital Mining Corp. selected PeerNova as its strategic hardware supplier after an extensive review process. PeerNova's PetaOne(TM) enterprise class bitcoin mining systems offer the best combination of power, efficiency and cost for BitVest's planned large scale deployment."

00:54:16 mircea_popescu: da fuck lol. what's "bitvest"

00:55:12 mircea_popescu: http://www.bitvest.co/ << extensive review process people.

00:55:13 assbot: bitvest.co | Cryptocurrency Investments Strategies Made Simple

00:55:45 cazalla: not heard of that one either

00:55:50 mircea_popescu: domain Registered On December 09, 2013

00:56:40 mircea_popescu: "PeerNova is leading the innovation in peer to peer applications and platforms for the digital currency and e-commerce markets. Our expertise is in building and deploying world class, high performance hardware and software solutions at the lowest OpEx and CapEx."

00:56:42 cazalla: To schedule a cryptocurrency investment consultation, please email us at info@bitvest.co - sounds good

00:56:47 mircea_popescu: meanwhile domain was born this april.

00:56:59 mircea_popescu: listen cazalla i would say at this point you've found an internet scamring.

00:57:11 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, no report this week

00:57:45 cazalla: well, the guy behind digital BTC got done here by the ACCC for mobile games, ringtones a few years back

00:58:29 mircea_popescu: "DigitalBTC has technically been listed on the ASX since its ?reverse takeover? and transformation of Macro Energy Limited back in March, but has pursued the extra legitimacy of its own listing since then, which required approval."

00:58:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10508 @ 0.00080107 = 8.4176 BTC [-] {2}

00:58:45 mircea_popescu: this being the halmark of penny stock fraud, the reverse takeover.

00:58:57 mircea_popescu: cazalla "got done" ?

00:59:06 cazalla: fined

00:59:13 cazalla: slap on the wrist type stuff from memory

01:00:26 cazalla: ;;ud got done

01:00:26 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=got%20done | 1: "Daves got done for stopping on a red route" 2: "I got done for that saxo, it cost me £3000" 3: "She got done by steve after the club". by oracle March 12, 2004.

01:00:34 mircea_popescu: it looks quite scummy on the face, but i personally can';t be arsed to look into it. if you had a blog and the inclination to research you could prolly publish a decent article

01:01:11 cazalla: i might just do that

01:02:13 mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no way someone who supposedly makes 1ph cabinets also wants to rent mining power.

01:07:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00079389 = 2.1038 BTC [-]

01:08:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16868 @ 0.00079232 = 13.3649 BTC [-]

01:11:14 mircea_popescu: !up B007

01:15:47 thestringpuller: not sure if bond reference or leet speak...

01:19:42 mircea_popescu: i upped on the bond theory.

01:23:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9552 @ 0.0007793 = 7.4439 BTC [-]

01:24:37 B007: bond rederence

01:26:06 mircea_popescu: lol hi.

01:26:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just passed along your most recent naggum link to a group of ro kids to great benefit. you've contributed to the "propasirea culturala a neamului"

01:28:09 B007: hi

01:29:00 B007: I trolled here some months ago

01:29:13 mircea_popescu: was it fun ?

01:29:17 B007: also I predicted mc 1000 btc bet :D

01:29:19 B007: yes

01:30:21 mircea_popescu: mc what ?

01:33:15 B007: 08-03-2014 02:09:00 <B007> mircea_popescu: you should bet 1000 on something on your site

01:33:30 B007: 8 days before you did

01:33:39 mircea_popescu: o.O

01:33:46 mircea_popescu: wd lol

01:53:43 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol you wanna talk to a bunch of kinda derpy ro kids with some linux sysadmin experience ?

01:57:24 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea. I can deal with mild derpidity. shoot em my way

01:57:54 RagnarDanneskjol: or should I reach out to them

01:58:42 mircea_popescu: join #rogentos-dezvoltare

01:58:44 mircea_popescu: ill intro.

01:59:02 RagnarDanneskjol: ok many tanks

01:59:42 kakobrekla: no planes?

02:01:35 mircea_popescu: planes ?

02:02:34 kakobrekla: boring with tanks only.

02:02:58 mircea_popescu: ol

02:07:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naggum link << which ?

02:22:06 TheNewDeal: ;;nethash

02:22:07 gribble: 222050773.13

02:29:13 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, it is shocking, outrageous but also very amusing to see just how copy-pasted the final days us is from the peak of romania. it's almost as if instead of the romanian idiots copying teh superior us businessmen, the reverse happened. << i'd love to hear more about this

02:30:11 kakobrekla: !s n6

02:30:11 assbot: 15 results for 'n6' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=n6

02:30:29 n6: creepy

02:30:59 kakobrekla: seemed like a new face

02:33:00 ben_vulpes: ;;seen mike_c

02:33:01 gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <mike_c> the previous boss of argentina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoTwDfXZ6c

02:33:38 mike_c: hey

02:34:14 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/ubbE6

02:34:15 assbot: Fun and Joy in Washington, D.C. - Imgur

02:34:20 asciilifeform: ^ today.

02:38:00 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821347

02:38:00 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2014 04:06:06; asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=LQKkpS3b

02:38:11 kakobrekla: strange, this predates it: http://dpaste.com/108JWBZ.txt

02:38:36 asciilifeform: that one - not mine

02:38:59 kakobrekla: mine

02:39:06 asciilifeform: aha.

02:39:35 asciilifeform: lots of effort for a fellow who 'doesn't care.'

02:39:45 kakobrekla: yup

02:43:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i certainly do not see such... piss in the chalice in byzantium... pissing i nthe chalice in rome << some of us might like a place to defect to (specifically defect, rather than gulag-break and run into taiga)

02:44:32 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: strange << what's surprising? poor sod carries on and on, like broken record

02:45:21 kakobrekla: strange? the follow up on the led and audio after not caring.

02:45:32 kakobrekla: as you already pointed out.

02:45:42 asciilifeform: he'll 'not care' to anybody who listens.

02:45:50 kakobrekla: lol

02:56:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one about the matrix flippin;'.

02:56:27 asciilifeform: ahaha

02:56:51 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah but so far not so sure how to organise it.

02:57:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the defectors weren't all that happy generally.

02:57:57 ben_vulpes: what inspired the comment in the first place?

02:58:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes - who doesn't know this.

02:58:43 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the thiel-buterin thing.

02:58:47 asciilifeform: i for one would still take it over alternative.

03:00:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00076791 = 1.7278 BTC [-]

03:10:08 mircea_popescu: http://overlays.gentoo.org/

03:10:12 mircea_popescu: what the fuck did they do now.

03:10:22 mircea_popescu: these people. gentoo - each day a surprise.

03:11:01 *: asciilifeform in his 10th year of gentoo now.

03:11:42 mircea_popescu: so what happened ot the overlays list ?

03:11:43 asciilifeform: wake up, diametric. him - too, i think.

03:11:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: probably cut wire. or caught fire.

03:12:11 mircea_popescu: aha. i thought website reorg

03:13:02 asciilifeform: http://gpo.zugaina.org/Overlays << mirror

03:13:02 assbot: Gentoo Portage Overlays - Overlays

03:13:34 mircea_popescu: aty

03:13:41 justusranvier: Gentoo makes me sad sometimes.

03:13:45 *: asciilifeform did not know mircea_popescu is aficionado of gentoo

03:14:11 justusranvier: Sucks in many way, yet I can no longer use traditional binary distros, and don't have time to go back to Linux From Scratch

03:14:16 mircea_popescu: i diddle them all and love none asciilifeform

03:14:22 asciilifeform: !up diametric

03:14:31 diametric: i used to be a gentoo developer.

03:14:39 diametric: it went downhill after daniel robbins left to go to microsoft.

03:15:06 mircea_popescu: justusranvier actually some of the better pakcages compile clean and fast now

03:15:16 mircea_popescu: s/package/distro/

03:15:22 diametric: people started making really bad decisions, specifically by making massive changes to portage that would break systems.

03:15:51 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Yeah, I actually don't have many compilation/dependency problems any more, but it's not progressing very much as a distribution

03:16:02 asciilifeform: diametric: massive changes to portage that would break systems << aye.

03:16:13 *: asciilifeform wishes there was an alternative to gentoo, does not know of one

03:16:35 diametric: the closest i've come is archlinux.

03:16:39 *: asciilifeform still has not forgiven the x11 to xorg clusterfuck

03:16:39 Apocalyptic: ^

03:16:43 justusranvier: I wanted them to cater more to developers, and make it even easier to dogfood your own packages

03:16:47 Apocalyptic: diametric, was about to say that

03:17:12 diametric: the AUR system provides PKGBUILD files were are similar to ebuilds.

03:17:15 asciilifeform: archlinux << not source-based !

03:17:34 justusranvier: I want Gentoo to ditch source tarballs entirely in favor of Git. It should be easy for a user to patch the source code of any package they run and have Portage handle merging changes from upstream

03:17:41 asciilifeform: has 'ports system' but as afterthought

03:17:45 mircea_popescu: what i don't like is the poor crypto use.

03:18:04 mircea_popescu: take asciilifeform's "mirror". well, is it a mirror or a mitmor ? how do i know ?

03:18:15 asciilifeform: who, outside of openbsd, has good crypto-discipline ?

03:18:22 mircea_popescu: and even there...

03:18:24 mircea_popescu: so, yeah.

03:18:34 *: asciilifeform verifies sigs by hand for critical items, grumbles

03:18:40 justusranvier: There should be no portage overlays

03:19:07 justusranvier: Your Portage tree should be in Git. If you want KDE packages in your Portage tree, then add the KDE team's repo and merge their branch into yours

03:19:09 mircea_popescu: justusranvier and what else, a fixed point so you can overturn teh earth ?

03:19:28 asciilifeform: distro without crypto-discipline entirely - should be assumed to be encrusted with teledildonic strange, like a japanese public toilet.

03:19:46 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: That too

03:20:51 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so how many peeps are running "linux because it's safe and gentoo because it's so and so" except they got it off drevil.repo

03:21:02 asciilifeform: probably quite a few.

03:23:10 mircea_popescu: https://ceata.org/ << for the lulz.

03:23:11 assbot: Fundaia Ceata — Ceata elibereaz artele i tehnologiile actuale

03:23:15 mircea_popescu: Richard Stallman la Cluj, în turul echipelor locale ale Fundației Ceata

03:23:19 mircea_popescu: Richard Stallman la Vâlcea, în turul echipelor locale ale Fundației Ceata

03:23:25 mircea_popescu: Richard Stallman la Chișinău, în turul echipelor locale ale Fundației Ceata

03:23:33 thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe

03:23:33 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00076791 BTC [-]

03:23:43 thestringpuller: dat m-po po

03:23:46 mircea_popescu: etc. richard stallman @booth 4, rinkiding central.

03:24:20 asciilifeform: did he carry out his traditional routine of attempting to speak local language ?

03:26:02 mircea_popescu: i have nfi.

03:28:22 punkman: https://btc-e.com/exchange/btc_eur

03:28:57 punkman: check that out

03:32:01 mircea_popescu: no fucking wai it closed

03:32:26 mircea_popescu: punkman ok, what ?

03:32:49 TheNewDeal: wtf was going on there

03:33:05 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, some btc were sold for 3200 EUR each

03:33:07 TheNewDeal: low 360 high 3200 eur?

03:33:27 mircea_popescu: oh. hm.

03:34:00 mircea_popescu: Volume: 1788 BTC / 942115 EUR

03:34:08 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 942115/1788

03:34:08 gribble: 526.909955257

03:34:15 mircea_popescu: o.O

03:34:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, this is all for me. see you all on the other side.

03:36:14 TheNewDeal: still trading at 420 euro

03:36:15 TheNewDeal: amazing

03:36:15 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:48:25 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

03:48:27 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.33, Best ask: 470.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.66000, Last trade: 471.0, 24 hour volume: 4719.96182203, 24 hour low: 466.0, 24 hour high: 483.0, 24 hour vwap: 475.57628363

04:12:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00077256 = 17.2281 BTC [+]

04:28:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00077136 = 15.5043 BTC [-]

04:38:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00077299 = 11.904 BTC [+] {2}

04:40:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26270 @ 0.00077028 = 20.2353 BTC [-] {3}

04:52:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.0007686 = 1.6909 BTC [-] {2}

05:05:33 cazalla: !up tpt_toolbox

05:55:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28550 @ 0.00076908 = 21.9572 BTC [+] {2}

06:07:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9729 @ 0.00077312 = 7.5217 BTC [+]

06:10:43 ben_vulpes: http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/09/06/you-must-be-goddamned-kidding/ << annals of smart contract failure

06:10:44 assbot: Those who cannot remember last week are condemned to repeat it | Preston Byrne

06:12:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11064 @ 0.00077312 = 8.5538 BTC [+]

06:23:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.0007732 = 2.049 BTC [+] {2}

06:34:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00077401 = 1.161 BTC [+]

07:20:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14957 @ 0.00077401 = 11.5769 BTC [+]

08:32:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.0007765 = 19.9172 BTC [+]

08:33:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3481 @ 0.0007745 = 2.696 BTC [-]

09:46:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11777 @ 0.00077477 = 9.1245 BTC [+] {2}

11:43:02 assbot: CheckDavid +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

11:46:30 BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid

11:47:14 CheckDavid: Thanks BingoBoingo

11:47:21 CheckDavid: No idea what happenes

11:47:36 CheckDavid: *happened

11:48:11 CheckDavid: Lost my wot level ?

11:53:17 BingoBoingo: ?

12:02:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6577 @ 0.00077306 = 5.0844 BTC [-]

12:03:57 CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: I used to be able to voice

12:05:53 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid it happens

12:07:35 CheckDavid: Awe :(

12:07:38 CheckDavid: *aw

12:12:24 CheckDavid: I wanted to ask what you think about secureae.com

12:14:30 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid

12:14:31 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqgextiikcqxjxg. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: never

12:14:41 thestringpuller: are you even in wot?

12:17:30 RagnarDanneskjol: re: secureae.com - please don't

12:30:54 Azelphur: ;;ident CheckDavid

12:30:55 gribble: Nick 'CheckDavid', with hostmask 'CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqgextiikcqxjxg', is identified as user 'CheckDavid', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1Mhu1uch32kgZstHpJNnbo61soPRXLQrDE

12:31:00 Azelphur: ;;ratingsystem getrating CheckDavid

12:31:01 gribble: This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqgextiikcqxjxg .

12:31:18 Azelphur: CheckDavid: ^ guess that's why, someone might have unrated you

12:31:29 Azelphur: ;;rate CheckDavid 1 Worked with him for a little while, seems like a nice guy.

12:31:30 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user CheckDavid has been recorded.

12:35:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00077414 = 20.0502 BTC [+]

12:39:08 mircea_popescu: i had never heard of this secure whatevs

12:59:56 assbot: CheckDavid +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

13:03:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00077709 = 8.5091 BTC [+] {2}

13:07:41 ThickAsThieves: i do think US education is a major culprit (just read the Mike OCD article)

13:08:38 []bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 79.00227226 BTC. Current weight: 31,634.

13:09:00 ThickAsThieves: recall our conversation about schools beating into our heads "You can be anything if you really want it, President of the US even!"

13:10:30 BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid

13:10:33 ThickAsThieves: now we have piles of ads convincing 30somethings to attend University of Phoenix

13:11:11 CheckDavid: Thanks Azelphur

13:11:21 CheckDavid: But I guess its still not enough to voice?

13:11:30 Azelphur: guess not

13:11:40 Azelphur: ;;gettrust assbot checkdavid

13:11:40 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zpqgextiikcqxjxg. Trust relationship from user assbot to user checkdavid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=checkdavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=checkdavid | Rated since: Mon Sep 8 08:31:15 2014

13:11:46 CheckDavid: Such hassle this wot thing lol

13:12:04 ThickAsThieves: another interesting phenomenon is US media hammering the concept of "eat fatty foods, not carbs"

13:12:54 RagnarDanneskjol: CheckDavid - http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/

13:12:55 assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:13:45 ThickAsThieves: started as diet fads like Atkins and Paleo, but now it just feels downright progandist

13:13:56 ThickAsThieves: propagandist*

13:14:26 chetty: is that about carbs or gluten? asciilifeform

13:15:12 RagnarDanneskjol: well, there is something to the fatty propagandizing - brains are mostly fat

13:15:47 ThickAsThieves: i think it's more to do with consumer manipulation

13:15:56 RagnarDanneskjol: sure, that too

13:18:01 ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Ph1zvw_xE

13:18:01 assbot: Air Castle blown away on beach (Katamari edit) - YouTube

13:18:25 chetty: I been curious for sure about the anti-gluten propagandising, havent heard the +fat much

13:18:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00077377 = 1.1993 BTC [-] {2}

13:22:25 ThickAsThieves: in my own estimation, the gluten thing is more of a phenomenon relating to health-enthusiasts fucking up their bodies and either exacerbating gluten intolerance, or misdiagnosing it as the problem, rather than the symptom

13:22:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, there are some advantages to fat over glucose.

13:22:51 ThickAsThieves: but i'm being a typical symbol-reading, word-menaing-guessing, god-worshipper in that

13:22:52 mircea_popescu: but it's not as simple as all that.

13:23:21 ThickAsThieves: (i dont worship god, just saying i'm wildly guessing)

13:23:28 mircea_popescu: nono, you said!

13:25:12 chetty: perhaps its god by some other names? like money? or earth or

13:26:02 BingoBoingo: The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet...

13:26:15 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fat/art-20045550

13:26:15 assbot: Dietary fats: Know which types to choose - Mayo Clinic

13:27:52 ThickAsThieves: the media seem to make body weight the focus

13:28:11 ThickAsThieves: which is of course, appropriate on the surface

13:28:27 CheckDavid: Thanks RagnarDanneskjol

13:28:31 ThickAsThieves: US is fat as hell n all

13:29:46 nubbins`: exacerbating the gluten thing is the immense amount of refined sugars people consume in their bread/baked goods

13:30:00 nubbins`: oh, you had three honey croissants for breakfast? no fucking wonder you feel like shit

13:30:38 chetty: sweetened croissants should be illegal

13:30:59 nubbins`: "but they're so good"

13:31:31 chetty: ugh, I can not eat them, and they are the standard breakfast here :(

13:31:56 BingoBoingo: http://www.huhcorp.com/

13:31:56 assbot: We do stuff.

13:32:51 nubbins`: i was reading an article recently about gluten actually

13:33:04 nubbins`: talked about these things called FODMAPS

13:33:45 nubbins`: "Instead, as RCS reported last week, FODMAPS are a far more likely cause of the gastrointestinal problems attributed to gluten intolerance."

13:34:24 nubbins`: "Coincidentally, some of the largest dietary sources of FODMAPs — specifically bread products — are removed when adopting a gluten-free diet"

13:35:41 nubbins`: protip: Budweiser beer is the only major-label brand available in Canada that does not contain gluten

13:35:51 chetty: I can't believe anybody still listens to the food police

13:35:55 *: nubbins` nods

13:36:04 nubbins`: i know several people who actually have celiac disease

13:36:23 nubbins`: if you don't have to ask "what brand of ketchup is this?" at the restaurant, you're not celiac

13:36:37 chetty: well thats different, its the nuts that dont have any actual reason ..

13:36:48 nubbins`: nod. there are so many

13:36:53 nubbins`: "i can't eat wheat"

13:36:56 nubbins`: bull fuckin shit

13:37:11 nubbins`: picking the croutons out of their salads

13:37:21 chetty: and then of course ask why celiac is much more common now than 50 years ago ..

13:37:41 nubbins`: shit modern diets, better detection? 8)

13:38:05 nubbins`: i kid

13:38:27 chetty: I saw a thing where they tested blood stored 50 years ago so its not better detection

13:38:47 nubbins`: lower standards for medical degrees ;D

13:38:55 nubbins`: honestly, i find it baffling the type of stuff people shove into their mouths

13:39:13 nubbins`: new roommate, younger fella. the only food he has in the house right now is pizza pops

13:39:37 chetty: I am NOT gonna ask wtf that is

13:40:09 kakobrekla: wait, no pizza tards?

13:40:15 nubbins`: oh, sorry, as i'm reading up on them, i realize it's canadian only

13:40:22 nubbins`: it's a pillsbury-brand pizza pocket

13:40:42 nubbins`: lotsa sodium benzoate, phenylalanine, all that good shit

13:41:13 nubbins`: the older i get, the more confused i get about humans and their determination to poison their bodies and the world around them as rapidly as possible

13:41:24 nubbins`: what's wrong with us?

13:41:51 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: phenylalanine in its levorotary form is actually nutritionally essential

13:41:55 chetty: were are all born with original sin :P

13:42:01 nubbins`: i know, i kid ;D

13:42:10 nubbins`: aspartame: not a neurotoxin

13:42:27 nubbins`: chetty: i was raised catholic, no need to tell me ;D

13:42:41 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FODMAP

13:42:41 assbot: FODMAP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13:42:43 ThickAsThieves: well people like smoking too

13:42:57 ThickAsThieves: which has yet to show much health benefit

13:43:03 nubbins`: HEH

13:43:11 nubbins`: srsly, read the first paragraph of that FODMAPS article

13:43:18 xmj: ThickAsThieves: there are -some- rare health benefits to smoking.

13:43:22 nubbins`: and tell me if a slice of fuckin bread is the problem these people are having

13:43:52 ThickAsThieves: smoking helps you poop

13:43:57 ThickAsThieves: it has that at least

13:44:03 BingoBoingo: smoking prevents parkinsons

13:44:25 nubbins`: tat +1

13:44:31 chetty: I quit listening to the food police way back when they said grilled meat causes cancer

13:44:37 xmj: chetty: +++

13:44:56 nubbins`: was interested to know galactose was a FODMAP

13:45:12 ThickAsThieves: i'm interested to know something is called galactose

13:45:12 nubbins`: pascale gave herself lactose intolerance from binge cheese eating :/

13:45:17 ThickAsThieves: best sugar name ever

13:45:20 nubbins`: inorite?!?!

13:45:27 nubbins`: it's where lactose comes from :0

13:45:36 nubbins`: and galactus, destroyer of worlds

13:45:42 nubbins`: (batch)

13:45:44 ThickAsThieves: :)

13:45:44 nubbins`: *natch

13:46:03 nubbins`: anyway, interesting shit

13:46:14 nubbins`: she's taken to buying lactose-free cheese

13:46:24 ThickAsThieves: this conversation was so much more enjoyable without diablod3

13:46:29 nubbins`: they mix in the enzymes that digest latose during the manufacturing process

13:47:09 ThickAsThieves: there's a local vegan cheesemaker here that isnt bad

13:47:11 chetty: manufacturing cheese .... that just sounds wrong

13:48:00 ThickAsThieves: http://sunrawise.com/

13:48:01 assbot: Home - SunRAWise

13:48:09 nubbins`: "Since lactose occurs mostly in milk, in most mammals, the production of lactase gradually decreases with maturity due to a lack of constant consumption."

13:48:35 nubbins`: ^ fodder for the "humans weren't meant to eat dairy" crowd

13:49:00 nubbins`: of course we were 8)

13:53:35 jurov: ;;ident smickles

13:53:35 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

13:53:39 jurov: werd

13:53:48 jurov: !up smickles

13:54:04 jurov: ;;gpg info smickles

13:54:04 gribble: User 'smickles', with keyid EA62D7CEB2450C3F, fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and bitcoin address 12NjnZTVeTJ3g5C7BqfS2aQ2rLkmwiqVz6, registered on Mon Jun 20 15:24:35 2011, last authed on Mon Jun 9 16:01:44 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=smickles . Currently not authenticated.

13:55:56 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/ this goes for asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol jurov wao

13:55:58 assbot: The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:56:10 jurov: nanotube: ^^ smickles says he did auth

13:56:10 mircea_popescu: and of course anyone who likes to read, but the four are actually involved :D

13:57:59 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/CmDUI

13:57:59 assbot: Dads at One Direction concerts - Imgur

13:58:06 nubbins`: the face of sadness

14:00:06 nubbins`: it seems like whenever i visit trilema in chrome incognito mode, it resets my credits cookie

14:00:14 jurov: smickles refuses to auth in chan - warning, it's an impostor!

14:00:27 mircea_popescu: odd.

14:00:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins` kinda what incognito does no ?

14:01:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00005483 = 0.5483 BTC [+] {3}

14:01:41 nubbins`: er well, i mean when i exit incognito mode and use a regular browser window again

14:02:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00005488 = 0.5488 BTC [+]

14:02:33 nubbins`: i guess the incognito tab doesn't give up the existing cookie, site can't find it, sends one over... but i'm surprised that'd overwrite the existing cookie

14:02:59 mircea_popescu: i guess this is then a chrome bug actually.

14:03:21 mircea_popescu: it should session cookies or something

14:03:34 nubbins`: i'mma look into it further

14:03:35 mircea_popescu: there's probably some attack avenue against the incognito mode through this.

14:04:02 nubbins`: anything unusual about how trilema sets/fetches cookies?

14:06:19 mircea_popescu: not that i know of.

14:06:29 mircea_popescu: tis php.

14:07:59 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - fascinating as always you human being!. think I'll need to read that twice at least and start learning some Rom

14:09:38 mircea_popescu: lol

14:11:50 nanotube: jurov: if he authed, then left the channel, he gets unauthed.

14:12:45 mircea_popescu: nanotube meanwhile it turns out someone was impostoring

14:12:50 mircea_popescu: tried to claim the system dun work.

14:13:45 jurov: just pasted me fake gribble output and insisted "this is proof im authed"

14:14:03 nubbins`: heh

14:14:09 nubbins`: classic -otc trick ;(

14:14:25 penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/

14:14:25 nubbins`: scammers gonna scam

14:14:37 nubbins`: ;;view 21372

14:14:39 gribble: #21372 Sun Aug 31 23:42:26 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 45 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50 (only 8 left), shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0)

14:15:02 nubbins`: ^ actually only 3 left now; hoping to get all outstanding packages mailed today

14:15:18 mircea_popescu: cool beanz.

14:16:16 nanotube: heh ic

14:17:14 nubbins`: meantime, what sorta rates do your uni kids offer? i've been doing a bitta research myself, seems $1/poster (plus printing) is average for traditional postering crews in large cities

14:17:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00077245 = 23.019 BTC [-] {3}

14:19:19 mircea_popescu: i have no idea, ima ask teh person in charge.

14:19:51 nubbins`: kk

14:20:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9725 @ 0.00005488 = 0.5337 BTC [+]

14:41:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24840 @ 0.000778 = 19.3255 BTC [+] {2}

14:42:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2019 @ 0.00077869 = 1.5722 BTC [+]

14:53:20 BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2014/the-perfect-pitch/#footnote_25_56335 << Beautiful, very true

14:53:22 assbot: The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

14:53:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10194 @ 0.00077173 = 7.867 BTC [-] {2}

14:54:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2918 @ 0.00077071 = 2.2489 BTC [-]

14:55:19 chetty: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-banks-muslims-20140907-story.html#page=1

14:55:19 assbot: Bank clients of Middle Eastern descent want answers on closed accounts - LA Times

14:55:46 mircea_popescu: chetty o.i

14:55:55 mircea_popescu: it's becoming a sport by now huh

14:57:26 chetty: apparently

14:59:39 mircea_popescu: !up yona_

14:59:41 BingoBoingo: I didn?t say that, did I ? << Amazing how saving something makes everyone think you favor it.

15:00:17 mircea_popescu: ;;google billy mumphrey was a simple country boy

15:00:18 gribble: Seinfeld Scripts - The Doodle: http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheDoodle.htm; Billy Mumphrey | The Seinfeld Dictionary: http://theseinfelddictionary.com/2008/05/21/billy-mumphrey/; B | The Seinfeld Dictionary: http://theseinfelddictionary.com/category/b/

15:02:31 mod6: %tslb

15:02:33 atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 18 minutes

15:03:26 mircea_popescu: that's a wonder.

15:03:29 nubbins`: i was walking through a parking lot last night and as i passed this tracksuit-wearing guy, he shouts "GO FUCK YOURSELF, YA SLUT" at his phone and then starts walking really closely behind me

15:03:50 RagnarDanneskjol: ahahaha

15:04:00 nubbins`: for like 2 blocks!

15:05:41 mircea_popescu: did it make you horny ?

15:14:21 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0QP4H1H.txt )

15:14:21 BingoBoingo: !b 4

15:20:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20720 @ 0.00077051 = 15.965 BTC [-] {3}

15:24:43 nubbins`: unfortunately no

15:29:38 ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF7HxLCFMeY&feature=youtu.be&t=8s :09

15:29:39 assbot: PayPal Voices - YouTube

15:30:07 ThickAsThieves: "we can spend bitcoin with a tap"

15:30:39 ThickAsThieves: "we have magic money"

15:33:08 Duffer1: if you play it backwards it says "kill your family"

15:33:38 ThickAsThieves: paypal be trollin

15:35:36 kakobrekla: and if you modulate it, you get "i am the great cornholio"

15:37:59 ThickAsThieves: get your D.BPAY while you can, before PayPal announces buyout!

15:39:29 nubbins`: heh

15:40:04 nubbins`: the enunciation is a little bit weird around that part

15:40:09 ThickAsThieves: indeed

15:40:16 ThickAsThieves: but the page looks legit

15:40:27 nubbins`: yeah, i can't think of anything else it'd be either

15:46:31 mircea_popescu: !t m d.bpay

15:46:31 assbot: Your actions are useless.

15:46:35 mircea_popescu: heh.

15:47:31 nubbins`: ;;google we don't believe in anything

15:47:32 gribble: Kanye West & Jay Z (Ft. Frank Ocean) - No Church in the Wild ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M37VucWh06Y; When Man Ceases to Worship God - The American Chesterton Society: http://www.chesterton.org/ceases-to-worship/; Myth: Atheists Believe In Nothing: Don't Atheists Care About Anything?: http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismatheistsbeliefs/a/BelieveNothing.htm

15:47:35 nubbins`: bah

15:48:01 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AEMiz6rcxc

15:48:01 assbot: The Big Lebowski - Parking / Nihilists scene - YouTube

15:52:22 nubbins`: also: you can rent full movies on youtube now? wat?

15:52:25 nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgKhPObZeaw&src_vid=7AEMiz6rcxc&feature=iv&annotation_id=pfc%3A0

15:52:26 assbot: The Big Lebowski - YouTube

16:00:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.04942644 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 613 satoshi per share

16:02:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00077294 = 7.1497 BTC [+]

16:04:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40915124 BTC to 15`372 shares, 9167 satoshi per share

16:11:50 BingoBoingo: %d

16:21:44 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

16:21:45 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.74, Best ask: 470.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 470.74, 24 hour volume: 10125.52697634, 24 hour low: 456.3, 24 hour high: 480.99, 24 hour vwap: 467.950837666

16:27:12 BingoBoingo: %d

16:27:14 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276459.33 in 1344 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.28

16:42:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 820 @ 0.00062192 = 0.51 BTC [-] {8}

17:01:34 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/more-needs-to-be-done-to-prevent-moose-collisions-fire-chief-1.2758634

17:01:35 assbot: More needs to be done to prevent moose collisions: fire chief - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

17:01:38 nubbins`: (graphic pic)

17:07:21 rithm: ;;later tell mircea_popescu y u disturb my slumber

17:07:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:08:51 punkman: http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/GreenDot-to-discontinue-Moneypak-due-to-scams--274190441.html

17:08:58 punkman: teh lulz

17:21:37 nubbins`: !t h hif

17:21:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00010290 / 0.0001029 / 0.00010290 (15 shares, 0.00154350 BTC), 7D: 0.00006400 / 8.524E-5 / 0.00010290 (1800 shares, 0.15343332 BTC), 30D: 0.00004757 / 6.809E-5 / 0.00010290 (16212 shares, 1.10386301 BTC)

17:25:55 nubbins`: punkman: do you want your poster rolled or flat-packed?

17:43:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00077239 = 19.6187 BTC [-]

17:50:42 thestringpuller: nubbins`: what is the timeline on the shirts?

17:52:23 nubbins`: we were aiming for them to be in your hands within 3 weeks of payment, so ~09/20-ish

17:54:37 thestringpuller: and the poster?

18:07:51 nubbins`: shipping today/tomorrow

18:12:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0007723 = 17.9946 BTC [-] {2}

18:25:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00077144 = 6.1329 BTC [-]

18:37:31 kakobrekla: who is managing s.mg on havelock ?

18:42:43 nubbins`: havelock is

18:42:55 nubbins`: tat gave it up back in feb

18:43:14 nubbins`: fun fact, it's actually running through a coinbr acct

19:07:15 thestringpuller: havelock is rogue as shit

19:07:15 thestringpuller: lol

19:12:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00077118 = 9.9482 BTC [-] {2}

19:15:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00077112 = 5.04 BTC [-]

19:16:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00076889 = 3.5753 BTC [-] {2}

19:20:30 nubbins`: hey, at least their HIF expenses are right on par

19:20:45 nubbins`: income is off by orders of magnitude, but you can't have it all

19:23:30 kakobrekla: on par with what

19:24:54 xmj: do you guys have an intro doc for working with gribble and assbot ?

19:25:07 kakobrekla: !help

19:25:07 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots

19:25:35 kakobrekla: prolly needs some updating but most is true

19:25:35 xmj: thx

19:26:06 xmj: im trying to nag the guy behind bettingblocks.com to join us

19:26:16 xmj: and he'll need that howto :-)

19:29:52 kakobrekla: then you need http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

19:29:52 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

19:31:35 xmj: forwarded, thx

19:32:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28574 @ 0.0007726 = 22.0763 BTC [+] {2}

19:40:21 xmj: !up Rangerk

19:40:28 Rangerk: thx

19:40:28 xmj: there we go :-)

19:41:05 xmj: everyone, rangerk. rangerk, everyone. ;-)

19:41:12 BingoBoingo: Hello

19:41:19 Rangerk: Hello

19:41:20 Rangerk: :)

19:41:31 Rangerk: Betting Blocks --->

19:41:31 Rangerk: goo.gl/7hDBxm Bet on the miners of future bitcoin blocks.

19:41:32 xmj: fluffypony: Rangerk would be the one behind bettingblocks.com

19:42:15 fluffypony: oh sweet

19:42:21 fluffypony: very cool

19:42:31 Rangerk: Already > 0.1 Btc on block #319777 :)

19:42:53 Rangerk: betting closes in 4.5 hours

19:43:11 Rangerk: Feedback is very welcome. We just launched.

19:45:28 Rangerk: xmj -- tell me about bitcoin assets plz.

19:46:39 kakobrekla: ;;topic

19:46:39 gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

19:49:22 xmj: Rangerk: ben_vulpes introduced me to this one given similar interests

19:50:30 Rangerk: Seems mircea_popescu is active on your blog. :)

19:52:01 Rangerk: Oh, this is MPEX.

19:52:08 Rangerk: Duh.

19:59:31 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

19:59:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 469.79, vol: 14485.98789274 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 471.646, vol: 5877.9332 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 472.01, vol: 16021.46251536 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 475.247718, vol: 14510.01560000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 488.76711, vol: 41.88066936 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 482.55159, vol: 81.70229466 | Volume-weighted last average: 472.289189203

20:01:28 BingoBoingo: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/8/6121363/reddit-is-a-failed-state

20:01:29 assbot: Reddit is a failed state | The Verge

20:03:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11321 @ 0.00076906 = 8.7065 BTC [-] {2}

20:18:57 mircea_popescu: Rangerk hm ?

20:20:00 mircea_popescu: rithm cuz what's the loan thing ?

20:20:16 mircea_popescu: <punkman> teh lulz << quite.

20:23:21 kakobrekla: !up Rangerk

20:24:56 punkman: Rangerk, website was a bit unclear, if block ends up in Other, do I lose?

20:27:32 jurov: If the miner hasn't been determined by the above methods, we roll the prize money over into a future race as a cherry bonus.

20:27:34 jurov: • What happens if the miner is known, but wasn't one of the betting options?

20:27:35 jurov: Same thing. We roll the prize money over into a future race as a cherry bonus.

20:27:43 jurov: punkman ^

20:28:48 mircea_popescu: isn't this kind-of vulnerable to miner collusion ?

20:29:04 mircea_popescu: i mean what's the advantage to rolling this dice as opposed to roling a proper, provably fair dice ?

20:30:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00077015 = 20.2549 BTC [+] {2}

20:31:21 mircea_popescu: CEO Yishan Wong finally addressed the controversy on Saturday by releasing a remarkably clueless manifesto. Reddit, he wrote, is "not just a company running a website where one can post links and discuss them, but the government of a new type of community." So, then, what type of government is Reddit? It's the kind any reasonable person would want to overthrow

20:31:34 mircea_popescu: ayup, pretty much lifted straight from mp pr.

20:32:24 jurov: lol how would the miners collude? if they could they already would...

20:32:42 mircea_popescu: course the verge is then taking it exactly the opposite way, but hey.

20:32:57 punkman: miner can bet after he finds the block, no?

20:33:07 mircea_popescu: jurov you realise this is purely declaratory ? i can publish blocks on any ip i want.

20:33:25 jurov: but it does not use IPs

20:33:27 mircea_popescu: so here, i found a block, you publish it and we split the pot.

20:33:37 mircea_popescu: that's collusion innit ?

20:33:47 punkman: why collude in this case

20:33:48 jurov: miner can sign the block with his signature

20:34:06 mircea_popescu: punkman the pot, i mean the betting pot.

20:34:07 jurov: it's not dependent on who publishes it

20:34:17 mircea_popescu: "here, sign this block i found"

20:34:21 mircea_popescu: "we split the pot"

20:34:28 punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah but why wouldn't the miner bet on himself

20:34:43 punkman: o never mind, got it

20:34:52 mircea_popescu: because the logical outcome is for all pool ops to contriburte some btc, all make the same bet on the same one guy

20:34:58 mircea_popescu: then give him the found blocks whoever finds them

20:35:18 mircea_popescu: but whether this attack is practical or not, or even theoretically feasible :

20:35:30 mircea_popescu: what is the advantage of a reimplementation of a dubious solution to a solved problem ?

20:35:32 jurov: if they can collude about mutually signing blocks, they can collude over much worse things

20:35:48 mircea_popescu: that's no defense.

20:37:33 jurov: okay, but since operator is not affected it's not a worry for him

20:38:19 jurov: like, the same can be said about bitbet's difficulty bets

20:38:25 jurov: and you don't give a fuck

20:38:35 mircea_popescu: how can the same be said ?

20:38:54 jurov: miners can collude for difficulty bet to come out a certai way

20:39:02 mircea_popescu: but then the difficulty would actually have to be that.

20:39:18 mircea_popescu: there's a difference between purely declaratory statements and actually measurable objective reality.

20:40:47 jurov: also, is there any miner to explain - is the signature part of work given to minions or it can be slapped on afterwards?

20:42:49 mircea_popescu: !up xe4l

20:48:02 jurov: apparently the pool is assigned using newly mined coins' address

20:48:14 jurov: which tx is part of merkle root

20:48:25 jurov: and thus hardwired once block is found

20:48:39 chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxBIDdkCIAA1MtV.jpg:large -Phoenix no less

20:49:35 jurov: they would have to collude to divert newly minted coins to specific address beforehand

20:49:45 jurov: and everyone would see that

20:50:36 jurov: Rangerk you have no comment?

20:51:31 mircea_popescu: jurov if you can merge-mine for different chains, you can equally well merge-mine for alternative root addresses.

20:52:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2948 @ 0.00055069 = 1.6234 BTC [-] {25}

20:54:11 jurov: i don't get this. changing "root" address will help how?

20:54:26 chetty: http://govtslaves.info/mastercard-rolls-orwellian-national-id-card/

20:54:27 assbot: MasterCard Rolls Out Orwellian National ID Card -

20:55:11 jurov: still we're at point some OCD miner notices he's getting from ghash.io work with root address destined for some other pool

20:55:22 BingoBoingo: !up Rangerk

20:56:50 mircea_popescu: chetty lol is this the us dept solution to nigerian scammers ?

20:57:08 jurov: so, i assert it is not "purely declaratory" but actual work the miners have to chew on

20:58:07 jurov: but.. i'm not miner and maybe i;m mistaken. that there is none in this channel makes me a bit sad.

20:58:42 chetty: miners are all on a beach somewhere

20:58:54 jurov: no theyre in closet

20:59:24 mircea_popescu: nobody mines anymoar (tm)

20:59:27 mircea_popescu: hey X-Rob you there ?

20:59:57 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Indeed I am

21:00:11 mircea_popescu: so, could the pool ops so collude as described ?

21:04:44 *: X-Rob scrolls back

21:05:13 BingoBoingo: Scrolling up should be a sport

21:06:36 X-Rob: Ah. BettingBlocks.com?

21:06:40 *: X-Rob reads up on them

21:07:09 mircea_popescu: the contention is whether "Who found a block" has any substance to it past "we say so"

21:07:37 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Well, that's an interesting question. Several pools mine to an explicitly well known address.

21:07:54 mircea_popescu: sure, but what of it.

21:07:56 X-Rob: so you can look at the block and know that, 100%, p2pool mined that block, for example

21:08:07 mircea_popescu: other than making people with a soft understanding of the protocol make wrong assumptions

21:08:19 mircea_popescu: well no, you don't actually know that.

21:08:30 X-Rob: However. There are a large number of pools where you can only guess. And 'because I say so' is about as much certainty as you're going to get.

21:09:19 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Well, p2pool is a specific case, and I probably shouldn't have used it, because that's one of the ones you /can/ be 100% certain about.

21:09:31 mircea_popescu: ok, p2pool aside.

21:09:35 X-Rob: but that's only 1%-ish of the network

21:09:42 X-Rob: so, let's disregard that

21:09:45 X-Rob: and say.. eligius.

21:10:15 X-Rob: There are two things that you can 'know' about a block. The destination of its mined coins, and the coinbase.

21:10:51 X-Rob: Both of those together can give you a good indication of who mined the block. If the destination of the coins is to a known pool address, then that pool ended up with the coins.

21:11:14 mircea_popescu: but the fact that the pool ended up with the coins is no sort of prof the pool mined the block.

21:11:20 X-Rob: Wether or not they MINED the coins is a different question, but I can't see any advantage in pool C mining coins for pool B

21:11:28 mircea_popescu: it's prima facie evidence, and absent any actual economic incentive to lie it may stand as acceptable "proof"

21:11:36 mircea_popescu: given actual economic incentive to lie however, it's worthless.

21:11:41 BingoBoingo: Well, depends on how big the pot on the who mines block X bet gets

21:11:51 mircea_popescu: X-Rob well the advantage would be that they win a bet, get more btc.

21:12:03 X-Rob: This would only be an issue in a closed pool, however.

21:12:10 mircea_popescu: why ?

21:12:36 BingoBoingo: %p

21:12:37 X-Rob: Why would I hash privately and mine at pool C, whjen I can just hash at pool B to start with?

21:12:39 atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net

21:12:39 atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 830.74 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.44 TH/s

21:12:41 BingoBoingo: %d

21:12:42 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276948.13 in 1338 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.25

21:12:50 X-Rob: I'll earn my PPLNS, plus I'll win the bet.

21:12:53 mircea_popescu: and spare me with the "miners will know", there have been three times in history, including today and recently, pools which split their rewards across to pretend like they don't have 50% of the hash rate

21:12:55 X-Rob: which is more

21:12:56 mircea_popescu: and the miners never knew.

21:13:02 mircea_popescu: so no, they wouldn't "know" jack shit on a stick

21:13:14 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3TSZAK3.txt )

21:13:14 BingoBoingo: !b 2

21:13:31 BingoBoingo: %t

21:13:33 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221

21:13:46 BingoBoingo: %ob

21:13:48 atcbot: 8k@260 2k@245 32k@221 | 12k@205 85k@198 6k@194

21:15:30 punkman: http://sourceforge.net/p/enigmail/forum/support/thread/3e7268a4/ "Still as a computer scientist I need an answer to which system I will teach in my class next week. Command-line PGP ?!?"

21:15:32 assbot: Enigmail / Forum / Enigmail Support:WARNING: Enigmail 1.7 *completely* *broken*

21:15:54 punkman: you were gonna teach them Enigmail? Fuck you.

21:17:25 BingoBoingo: Enigmail used to just work, but I dun trust the new "Ease of Use" update.

21:17:30 X-Rob: My idea is, if I had bet on pool B mining block, and I controlled access to hardware that would bias pool B to mine the block, why wouldn't I just mine at pool B? I would win the bet -and- I would earn whatever percentage of the block the hardware earned, which would probably be more than 25% of the block reward.

21:17:46 X-Rob: But, let's assume that the bet is massive. Say, a million USD.

21:17:59 mircea_popescu: <punkman> you were gonna teach them Enigmail? Fuck you. <<< word.

21:18:04 X-Rob: A sum large enough to tempt even the most honest of pool operators.

21:18:06 mircea_popescu: yes command line pgp. who is this fuckwit.

21:18:35 mircea_popescu: X-Rob because you're not you. you're the pool op, who has to make a buck, and who is friends with the other pool ops.

21:18:49 X-Rob: There would be several options. The simplest would be to /still/ mine at Pool B with the hashrate of the other pools

21:19:16 X-Rob: But, woe, your hashrate didn't mine that block. p2pool got it.

21:19:31 X-Rob: You still have a massive percentage of the hashrate of the entire btc network.

21:19:36 X-Rob: Time to orphan blocks.

21:19:38 mircea_popescu: right.

21:19:58 X-Rob: So.

21:20:21 X-Rob: tl;dr: It's possible, but unlikely for less than say 50 * block reward

21:20:45 mircea_popescu: unless the method we describe in theory is actually implementable cheaper than we estimate, of course.

21:21:24 X-Rob: Everyone's a whore. It's just the price that varies.

21:22:24 mircea_popescu: nah, some girls do it for free.

21:22:31 X-Rob: I saw an amusing comment on reddit yesterday, on a photo of someone climbing a massive radio tower. They said 'You couldn't pay me enough to do that', and someone responded with '72.6 billion dollars. Per hour'.

21:22:51 X-Rob: So. Yes. Turns out you COULD pay him enough to do that.

21:23:59 mircea_popescu: lol k

21:24:20 X-Rob: But if I was to be offered say... 10* block reward to get block 1234 mined by pool B, I'd probably take that bet.

21:24:59 BingoBoingo: I think the price for a lot of pool ops would be 25.01 to 25.03 BTC

21:25:01 jurov: how many other pools you'd need to collude?

21:25:06 mircea_popescu: betting is an odds game. if you win 1% more than you lose, but you can rely on that 1%, you may cycle thousands of btc for a profit that well exceeds say coinbase's

21:25:57 BingoBoingo: !up Rangerk

21:26:10 mircea_popescu: so #eulora just succeeded in an infrastructure upgrade, taking crystal space from 38 something to 40 something. this is a major tech victory.

21:26:17 BingoBoingo: http://jabirproject.org/ << Iranian wtf distro team

21:26:17 assbot: Jabir Project | Jabir Technologies Official Blog

21:26:38 mircea_popescu: anyone know what fresias are ?

21:26:44 jurov: flowers

21:27:14 mircea_popescu: yup. so little kiosk downstairs has them, two dozen for 10 pesos.

21:27:18 X-Rob: BingoBoingo: The issue is not having the pool owner say 'Yes, I found block 1234', it's other people going 'Uh, actually, no, I found block 1234, here, it's addressed to me, here's me signing a transaction'

21:27:21 mircea_popescu: i just bought a bucket, came to about five bux

21:27:52 X-Rob: So you'd need to ACTUALLY have the pool find a block, or, as I said earlier, have pool C find the block for pool B, but that's economically foolish.

21:28:19 BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Right, but you have to realize how much a casino can came at 1 or 2 percent house edge over time.

21:29:09 X-Rob: BingoBoingo: I'm talking more about the technical issues of claiming a block

21:29:34 X-Rob: And lying about who found it.

21:31:30 jurov: i understood mp's situation as some pool owners mining together so that one of them will claim the blocks, and betting accordingly

21:31:52 BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Right, but if betting we are talking about a set of any particular blocks.

21:31:52 jurov: then, house will actually profit from the volume

21:32:00 X-Rob: jurov: That's... quite likely.

21:32:05 jurov: only the other bettors may have a problem

21:32:15 BingoBoingo: Both the house and pool operators could profit

21:33:23 BingoBoingo: This is a people problem and a trust problem.

21:33:56 jurov: the question is, can/will miners detect something untoward here?

21:34:12 X-Rob: Can they? Possibly. Will they? Amazingly unlikely.

21:35:14 X-Rob: There is a stratum command 'gettransactions'

21:35:17 mircea_popescu: yeah i wouldn't bet on that.

21:35:36 X-Rob: that your miner can use to ask for the list of transactions you're mining against, and check them against the merkle hash

21:35:53 X-Rob: However: It's only supported by eligius, as every other pool hates it.

21:36:18 X-Rob: And no-one has actually written anything useful for it.

21:36:55 BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Is this the Get block template thing?

21:37:10 X-Rob: GetBlockTemplate is /better/, and you have more control over it, as a miner, but honestly, statistically, no-one cares.

21:37:16 X-Rob: BingoBoingo: GBT is another protocol.

21:37:59 mircea_popescu: X-Rob and then, the "community" derps all about how bad it is that they're getting squeezed out by the large farms.

21:38:28 X-Rob: mircea_popescu: the problem is, it's not that people don't care, is that' they don't want to learn. They go 'magic internet money', and that's pretty much it.

21:38:53 mircea_popescu: right. which is why they SHOULD be squeezed out.

21:38:56 X-Rob: 'I'm going to buy 10 S3's and set them up!'

21:38:58 mircea_popescu: no coutnry for lazy stupid men.

21:39:48 thestringpuller: is hanbot a bot?

21:40:08 hanbot: not bot.

21:40:08 mircea_popescu: only metaphorically.

21:40:39 jurov: thestringpuller this is her blog: http://thewhet.net/

21:40:40 assbot: The Whet | a place for appetites

21:40:40 X-Rob: heh

21:40:43 BingoBoingo: Only a bot in the way MP routinely turns us all into bots

21:40:59 mircea_popescu: the blogbot!

21:41:03 jurov: i don't think bot can write this

21:41:19 thestringpuller: ah. da semall-a-scope!

21:41:29 thestringpuller: smell-a-scope*

21:41:58 jurov: ;;smell thestringpuller

21:41:59 gribble: Error: "smell" is not a valid command.

21:42:07 hanbot: lol

21:42:21 X-Rob: +1 for futurama quote, thestringpuller

21:42:37 mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/viata-grea-a-blogerului-incepator/ << botbits.

21:42:39 assbot: Viata grea a blogerului incepator pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:42:49 thestringpuller: good news everyone I have found a way to smell people on the internet

21:43:10 mircea_popescu: 1. one drop acid on sugar cube ?

21:43:51 jurov: *acetic acid

21:44:26 X-Rob: So, taking a step back, and answering the big question 'what is stopping pool owners colluding to ensure pool B mines block 1234?' -- The answer is 'nothing'. And to expand on that, 'Nothing, and it's unlikely that someone would even notice, as long as the miners keep getting their pennies'

21:45:52 mircea_popescu: ty. ever been expert witness in legal proceedings before ?

21:47:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00076983 = 18.2065 BTC [-] {2}

21:47:23 X-Rob: Yeah, twice. I used to work in InfoSec at Cisco.au

21:47:29 thestringpuller: ;;google law and order

21:47:30 gribble: Law & Order | NBC: http://www.nbc.com/law-order; Law & Order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_%26_Order; Law & Order (TV Series 1990–2010) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098844/

21:47:32 thestringpuller: lol

21:47:53 mircea_popescu: cool beanz.

21:58:36 BingoBoingo: ;;rated X-Rob

21:58:37 gribble: You have not yet rated user X-Rob

21:58:47 BingoBoingo: ;;rate X-Rob 2 Mines, testifies

21:58:49 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user X-Rob has been recorded.

21:59:06 mircea_popescu: There was a young girl of Natchez who chanced to be born with two snatches. Now and again she'd say "Shit! I'd so give either tit for a man with equipment that matches."

22:00:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2876 @ 0.00077294 = 2.223 BTC [+]

22:08:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6314 @ 0.00077359 = 4.8844 BTC [+]

22:14:16 X-Rob: BingoBoingo: Thanks, but I'm actually 'xrobau' on gribble 8-)

22:14:17 X-Rob: ;;ident

22:14:18 gribble: Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sithgwmwidmkkdgh', is not identified.

22:14:23 X-Rob: oh, wups.

22:14:31 thestringpuller: :P

22:15:45 X-Rob: ;;ident

22:15:45 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sithgwmwidmkkdgh', is identified as user 'xrobau', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1F1pPNy6X86rUSKLqZAdsa7dSMoRy4KobG

22:15:51 X-Rob: yay

22:27:56 BingoBoingo: ;;unrate X-Rob

22:27:57 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for X-Rob.

22:28:20 BingoBoingo: ;;rated xrobau

22:28:20 gribble: You rated user xrobau on Sun Aug 17 20:38:19 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Going to point his hash, issues corrections.

22:28:32 BingoBoingo: Eh

22:30:56 X-Rob: My hash is pointy

22:31:32 BingoBoingo: What hash isn't

22:33:29 RagnarDanneskjol: the plot thickens: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source?commentId=2003008%3AComment%3A55276&xg_source=msg_com_forum

22:33:30 assbot: Bitcoin open source implementation of P2P currency - P2P Foundation

22:33:36 RagnarDanneskjol: bottom of page

22:35:09 mircea_popescu: herp.

22:35:51 mircea_popescu: who the fuck are these people.

22:35:52 mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy."

22:35:54 mircea_popescu: really ?

22:36:52 mircea_popescu: With so many interested persons checking in here, I believe this would be a good time to again share Chris Cook's brief, simple and correct summation of the problem with bitcoin, from http://blablabla

22:36:57 mircea_popescu: sigh.

22:38:31 mircea_popescu: "we've got nothing but our desire to matter in spite of the void we stand for. and there's A LOT of us."

22:38:37 mircea_popescu: the internet is practically fucking gehenna.

22:38:58 RagnarDanneskjol: well, I was derpish enough to solicit him for recruitment. so I'm not much better than those creeps. I did get some very interesting encrypted respnses tho

22:40:03 mircea_popescu: are you the guy with "three weeks" ?

22:41:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1878 @ 0.00077359 = 1.4528 BTC [+]

22:41:03 RagnarDanneskjol: the only recruiter there. posted back in march

22:42:14 mircea_popescu: have dev spend a week checking out and streamlining trilema code, obtain clear results, various bottlenecks resolved, lots of optimisation that should result in about 30-40% less load.

22:42:26 mircea_popescu: watch the load on the server excitedly as it increase slightly over a week or two as a result.

22:42:30 mircea_popescu: because why the fuck not.

22:42:53 RagnarDanneskjol: ok

22:43:10 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol i was talking about myself :p

22:43:21 RagnarDanneskjol: ok

22:46:36 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

22:46:39 gribble: Current Blocks: 319757 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 786 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29374054561.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.09268

22:52:04 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXS8ljif9b8

22:52:04 assbot: Theo de Raadt (ruBSD 2013) - YouTube

23:02:13 BingoBoingo: Since Arizona is flooding http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/28/00910.htm&Title=28&DocType=ARS/

23:02:16 assbot: Format Document

23:06:06 RagnarDanneskjol: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.0

23:06:06 assbot: satoshin@gmx.com is compromised

23:09:50 BingoBoingo: And this is why the "killer app" for GPG is signatures

23:15:49 cazalla: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/ heh buttcoin

23:15:50 assbot: Bitcoin | SourceForge.net

23:17:32 Azelphur: hehe

23:22:26 BingoBoingo: I'll take it this implies Hal prolly was Satoshi after all.

23:25:39 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGOPj53r1Fc

23:25:39 assbot: Henning Brauer (ruBSD 2013) - YouTube

23:27:09 X-Rob: ;;genrate 1000000

23:27:10 gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 0.0183350936553 BTC per day and 0.000763962235639 BTC per hour.

23:27:26 X-Rob: ;;genrate 1000

23:27:27 gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 1.83350936553e-05 BTC per day and 7.63962235639e-07 BTC per hour.

23:27:27 X-Rob: even

23:27:37 X-Rob: bah,

23:27:39 X-Rob: ;;genrate 10000

23:27:40 gribble: The expected generation output, at 10000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 0.000183350936553 BTC per day and 7.63962235639e-06 BTC per hour.

23:27:49 X-Rob: ok, so, 18.

23:29:42 BingoBoingo: ;;tickler

23:29:42 gribble: Error: "tickler" is not a valid command.

23:30:25 BingoBoingo: Why no tickler?

23:32:33 BingoBoingo: !tickle fluffypony

23:33:31 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so #eulora just succeeded in an infrastructure upgrade, taking crystal space from 38 something to 40 something. this is a major tech victory. << nice!!

23:42:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spondoolies-tech-sp-20-jackson-mining-home-returns/

23:46:09 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jborkl No words outside of the metalanguage can accurately describe how much I want to de-shit your blog's look

23:46:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

23:47:48 BingoBoingo: Also the satoshi email compromise in a wild speculative hypothesis hopefully is the death knell for any last gasps of third party authority on the matter of identity

23:56:12 BingoBoingo: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-security/

23:56:14 assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists

23:56:36 BingoBoingo: Oh, Satoshi hack day seems like such a splendid day