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00:04:53 mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski

00:05:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alrighty.

00:06:16 mircea_popescu: <kdomanski> popcorn advised << nobody really gives a shit. the countless fucktards trying to parlay their "issues" and "political awareness" and so forth into actual subject matter relevancy only succeed in their own estimation.

00:07:25 mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's an "airforce expert pilots" club somewhere in djbouti, made out of people who agree among themselves on djbotardit and twidji. meanwhile djbouti's only airplane is a boat.

00:09:53 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: the problem is, they actually manage to impact relevant stuff with their bullshit

00:09:54 mircea_popescu: <trinque> davout: ruby is objectively butts. rebuttal? <<< bwahahaha. unrebutt able objectibutts language!

00:09:59 mircea_popescu: kdomanski liek ?

00:10:09 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: getting people fired

00:10:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264646 & succ.

00:10:38 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: <shinohai> What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia.

00:10:48 mircea_popescu: people who depend on welfare should learn to suck the cock of their patrons better.

00:11:06 *: mircea_popescu does not support the theory dependents have rights.

00:11:25 davout: kdomanski: maybe in the us... but not anywhere else

00:12:17 mircea_popescu: moreover, software "employees" should be fired. if they're any good that's the best thing that could ever happen to them, and if they suck why would anyone keep em.

00:12:50 kdomanski: in most places if you have a SJW mob coming after you it will be difficult for you to conduct business

00:13:05 mircea_popescu: hasn't affected me.

00:13:16 *: mircea_popescu has lost count of the angry mobs by now.

00:13:48 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: then again, you aren't most people

00:15:03 mircea_popescu: which is kinda my point here. some shit's being conflated. like that ancient ditty, "si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest."

00:15:42 mircea_popescu: if the people you talk about may have opinions, then this doesn't affect them. if it does, then they should have gotten their head out of their ass, understood their situation as slaves and put more effort into massaging the cock of their owners more betterer.

00:15:59 mircea_popescu: no "little o' tis, little o' that" on the table.

00:17:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00073483 = 5.5112 BTC [+]

00:17:32 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: I understand is is colorful metaphor for "if you can't take the fallout, STFU and keep your opinions to yourself"?

00:17:45 mircea_popescu: could work like that yea.

00:18:10 mircea_popescu: but it's deeper, really. "your impression you may have oppinions MUST be predicated on your certainty you can in fact back them up."

00:19:27 mircea_popescu: people aren't born with the right to like and dislike and opine and so forth. people are born "women and children", which is to say with the obligation to adapt to others likes and dislikes. we call these others "their betters".

00:19:39 mircea_popescu: some people progress from there, some don't, and that's it.

00:20:32 kdomanski: I'm quite certain that ability to prove his statements scientifically (i.e. transsexuals not being homo sapiens) woudn't matter in this context

00:21:13 mircea_popescu: i doubt you could prove such a thing.

00:21:30 mircea_popescu: you'll end up with "actors aren'ty human" and other avatars of medieval thoughtmire.

00:21:51 kdomanski: many politically incorrect opinions about race vs intelligence and such have scientific grounds but are nevertheless successfully persecuted

00:22:30 mircea_popescu: science isn't a present day version of "my older brother's in the navy seals" / "we are god's chosen people" where somehow it gives you a magic golen ticket to things.

00:23:46 mircea_popescu: but you're right, a lot of perfectly avoidable, self constructed problems are patently traceable to that misimpression being perhaps deliberately induced in children.

00:24:52 kdomanski: well I'm uncertain what in your mind qualifies as "backing them (opinions) up"

00:25:01 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265811 <<< I daresay this is my most quoted statement here to date.

00:25:01 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:38; assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: <shinohai> What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move

00:25:29 mircea_popescu: kdomanski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265817 and the next coupla work as a standard i'd say.

00:25:29 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:13:05; mircea_popescu: hasn't affected me.

00:26:35 kdomanski: so, might makes right

00:26:44 trinque: might makes "it happened"

00:26:44 mircea_popescu: no. absence of might makes wrong.

00:27:18 mircea_popescu: the mighty may be right, or then again may well be wrong. but the weak are always and unexcusably in the wrong.

00:27:46 kdomanski: thus, the guy should have know better and STFU?

00:27:57 mircea_popescu: if there's actual fallout, yes.

00:28:18 mircea_popescu: he's approximately the male equivalent of thew usian stripper with an attitude.

00:28:38 kdomanski: kinda makes sense

00:29:06 mircea_popescu: (that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.)

00:29:49 kdomanski: I don't think they actually did any damage in this case, but sometimes they ruin careers

00:30:08 mircea_popescu: im sure sometimes the bugaboo got some kids. not in this case, nor in this neighbourhood, nor you know.

00:30:11 mircea_popescu: just... sometimes! i'm sure!

00:30:31 mircea_popescu: so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids.

00:30:42 kdomanski: remember the guy who laughed at "fuck her right in the pussy"?

00:30:46 mircea_popescu: mno

00:31:02 kdomanski: a female reporter asked him why did he laugh

00:31:02 trinque: kdomanski: I can say I've worked at software companies that did not police humor or politics in the slightest

00:31:11 kdomanski: "because it was funny"

00:31:19 kdomanski: they did get that one fired

00:31:20 mircea_popescu: remember the guy who got shot by a cop on a bike, because the cop had inferiority complex for not having a car so he stuck his head and torso through the ghuy's window ?

00:31:59 mircea_popescu: it's the land of freakarama over there, what do you think an example's gonna do ?

00:32:08 kdomanski: yeah

00:32:40 kdomanski: the actual long-lasting damage being done here is: now they're assembling an universal code of conduct or whatever

00:32:41 mircea_popescu: and ftrr, what is a "career" ? who do you know that has "a career" ?

00:32:57 mircea_popescu: bubble's going out and everyone's out on their ass, career or no career. this isn't showbiz, it's computer slavery.

00:33:07 mircea_popescu: then bubble's back on and they hire any shaved monkey with a pulse.

00:33:09 mircea_popescu: etc.

00:33:44 shinohai: !b3

00:33:45 mircea_popescu: kdomanski the deep reason is that you folk can't eat on your own. obviously there's going to be a code of conduct : he who lives in his parents house observes the fucking rules neh .

00:33:54 shinohai: shit

00:34:43 mircea_popescu: seinfeld ~had~ a career. it lasted a decade, and he quit while ahead. who the fuck in software has a career ?

00:34:59 mircea_popescu: the lolcows. gavin and co, and it's a shitty career in unintentional comedy at that.

00:35:43 mircea_popescu: who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos.

00:35:46 mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski

00:35:54 mircea_popescu: does anyone even think afore using words anymore ?!

00:36:41 kdomanski: in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos << that's merely a subset of that space

00:37:10 mircea_popescu: yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events.

00:38:15 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: it does get them richer than anything else they could possibly do with their lives

00:38:42 mircea_popescu: proving once more that the fetish of wealth is a very poor compass for one's life.

00:39:19 kdomanski: which is trivial sophism once one is already wealthy

00:39:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265166 << this happens to be exactly what they did the one time they did it.

00:39:26 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 12:51:20; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264466 <-- absolutely positively the case, ty. What, do you think a starfaring person would travel light years, collect protons, return home?

00:39:44 mircea_popescu: kdomanski or appears so. i hold it isn't a sophism.

00:39:55 mircea_popescu: but i'm not getting too far with alf on this line either, so.

00:40:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265169 << definitely.

00:40:27 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 12:52:20; jurov: are dns samples "cultural exchange"?

00:41:18 trinque: kdomanski: since money is political, you might consider it a compass to the extent that you agree with the prevailing politics

00:41:54 trinque: really drives home how destructive market distortions can be

00:42:05 mircea_popescu: the other important point is, "whether you get to actually hold it". riches subject to riders like "you may only use this to inflate real estate bubble" aren't much yours anyway.

00:42:45 mircea_popescu: teenaged kids with whoremongering fathers often borrow the cars those drive in an attempt to cargo-cult the whores they bang into existence. perhaps they could be embodied out of their classmates or something.

00:42:55 kdomanski: trinque: money allows to exert influence on people regardless of their political stance

00:42:59 mircea_popescu: still, it's not their god damned car. and so no, not rich. merely posing with opr.

00:43:15 mircea_popescu: bitcoin does. usd does not. kinda why we don't like it./

00:45:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265193 << is he basically saying "i'll pay for your daughter" ?

00:45:01 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 12:59:22; funkenstein_: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8.txt

00:46:58 pete_dushenski: that's the 3 bitcent question

00:48:27 mircea_popescu: http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth "arry thought that respect was an asset worth shelling out 150,000 shares of VA for." << jesus esr;s such a twerp.

00:48:29 assbot: ESR Writes on "Surprised By Wealth" - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcd2q )

00:49:06 mircea_popescu: "i was an integral part of the gnu sellout, and i feel kinda bad about it so i'll just pretend i didn't do anything and hey, the communitards are too dumb to know shit from their face."

00:49:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the man is insufferable in person, also

00:49:50 mircea_popescu: there's this borderline autistic hypocrisy behaviour that somehow's really represented in my head by the oss folks.

00:49:57 midnightmagic: Is there somewhere I can read more about how deedbot works under the hood and where I can find its proofs and such?

00:50:20 mircea_popescu: not that rms doesn't display plenty of it. myst be something in unix that makes people go "hey, i can just ignore the classes i don't want to use right now" or somesuch.

00:50:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down ! ...'

00:51:00 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic this very log :)

00:52:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-06-2014#718931 << the spec. iirc trinque's implementation is you concat the msgs and sha512 it for a key seed.

00:52:27 assbot: Logged on 14-06-2014 11:59:24; mircea_popescu: so based on mike_c's discussion last night, i think i have a very good addition to b-a kako. it'd go like this :

00:52:29 pete_dushenski: trinque: what would it take to revive []bot to scoop new bitbet proposals and >1 btc wagers ?

00:53:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265812 << if this recipe were actually followed, you get a usg reich that lasts 10,000 years. still want ?

00:53:12 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:48; mircea_popescu: people who depend on welfare should learn to suck the cock of their patrons better.

00:53:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you think the reich collapses "because the people"...

00:53:40 mircea_popescu: srsly ?

00:53:41 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'd like to start pointing people away from proofofexistence and other incompatible nonsense and IIRC, deedbot is careful/efficient in how it stores stuff in the blockchain. If that is so, I'd like to point newbs at.. like a website or something, if it exists.

00:53:41 asciilifeform: but instead, the teenage idiot who wants the car, the money, ~and~ to disobey father - is the mover of civilization.

00:53:50 midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'll re-read the logs.

00:53:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'because the people' so much as 'because not giving a fuck'

00:54:01 asciilifeform: as per the su example

00:54:11 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic a valid point, i don't think the whole thing's properly packaged for public consumption.

00:54:36 pete_dushenski: midnightmagic: http://deedbot.org/ << seen ?

00:54:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UxGNEF )

00:54:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all reichs always collapse because of the reich, and the outside enemies. never was it the case "the people" did anything relevant.

00:54:45 asciilifeform: there is ~failing to do~

00:55:01 midnightmagic: pete_dushenski, mircea_popescu: thanks, I'll re-read.

00:55:04 asciilifeform: as in, failing to properly serve satan in his hour of need (tm)

00:55:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but they have no contribution in that.

00:55:13 trinque: deedbot- isn't currently n00b friendly at all, no. And I'll always prefer that people are in good standing in the WoT to use it.

00:55:21 asciilifeform: the contribution of nonparticipation.

00:55:38 mircea_popescu: trinque that part's not going away. but a faq page explaining how to construct the payout address would be helpful.

00:55:42 trinque: pete_dushenski: is that just another RSS feed?

00:55:44 asciilifeform: of becoming furnace stokers and night watchmen instead of engineers, as per the su example.

00:55:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that happens because THEY HAVE NO CHOICE

00:55:58 mircea_popescu: that they try to pretend like "thgey did it", sure, the scum that they are would.

00:55:58 trinque: mircea_popescu: I was thinking of releasing a script that you hand a doc, and it farts out the address

00:56:09 trinque: would probably be nice to stick on the website.

00:56:15 mircea_popescu: better to explain what's to be done, let people work their own script

00:56:21 mircea_popescu: it's for money after all.

00:56:21 trinque: fair enough

00:56:47 pete_dushenski: trinque: hm. https://bitbet.us/rss/new/ << this part covers the new proposals. can't say i'm fully versed in how the >1 btc bets were teased out. best ask kakobrekla

00:56:48 assbot: BitBet Bets Bets ... ( http://bit.ly/1LU0PSi )

00:56:58 mircea_popescu: rss.

00:57:04 mircea_popescu: !s bitbet rss

00:57:05 assbot: 2 results for 'bitbet rss' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitbet+rss

00:57:50 trinque: kakobrekla: lemme know what feed and I'll add it

00:58:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265848 << mircea_popescu, like most non-us folk, has a disastrously exaggerated concept of 'can get welfare.' in practice, you HAVE to be black, female, have bastard children, preferably - all 3

00:58:12 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:29:06; mircea_popescu: (that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.)

00:58:46 asciilifeform: can get 'food stamps' more often, but need multiple years of tax returns demonstrating being a pauper, typically

00:58:47 *: trinque saw a healthy hippy chick buying expensive groceries with a food-stamps card yesterday

00:58:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the last us citizen that actually took out less than what he put in died sometime in the 80s.

00:59:00 trinque: she was like 19-20

00:59:04 asciilifeform: trinque: 10 to 1 odds the card is her mother's

00:59:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't expect to ever meet this mythical animal, aha

00:59:26 trinque: I think the bums around here all know you can get "assistance"

00:59:34 asciilifeform: trinque: IF YOU ARE THEM

00:59:41 asciilifeform: try getting it ~while being YOU~

00:59:43 trinque: yeah but some kid just decides to be a bum, because it's a lifestyle

00:59:48 trinque: sure not me, I look worth a shit

00:59:48 asciilifeform: gotta decide young

00:59:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no middle ground. either be them or don't need to bitch about it!

01:00:02 asciilifeform: having a job history (and if you paid tax, it is impossible to conceal) counts against you.

01:00:19 mircea_popescu: iirc ballas said if you were ever employed, you're fucked.

01:00:22 asciilifeform: aha

01:00:25 asciilifeform: he is entirely correct.

01:00:28 mircea_popescu: then again, /me has never been employed.

01:02:40 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265852 << re: this and the entire thread: it might surprise mircea_popescu, but i have never seen this idiocy alive up close, nor know anyone who will attest to having done so; it is really a west coast / sv thing as far as i can tell.

01:02:40 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:30:31; mircea_popescu: so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids.

01:02:51 asciilifeform: mainly afflicting the www 'industry' & co.

01:02:58 mircea_popescu: "industry"

01:03:00 asciilifeform: aha

01:03:07 mircea_popescu: it's really so fantasmagoric it needs triple quotes

01:03:13 asciilifeform: in-dust-ry.

01:03:21 asciilifeform: emphasis on 'dust'

01:03:31 mircea_popescu: i mean time warner paid a billion for myspace which was worth ~0, sure, turner's old and stupid.

01:03:38 mircea_popescu: but the notion that twitter's worth money...

01:04:20 asciilifeform: as pictured in the very relevant mircea_popescu piece, 'this is not money that anyone had to work to earn and save, it is created with a button press'

01:04:39 mircea_popescu: i stopped reading after "this is not money".

01:04:46 thestringpuller: three cheers for jurov

01:05:18 *: mircea_popescu has had his fill of retarded teenagers sitting around crediting each other's socioeconomicosexual-and-otherwise wholly imagined accomplishments sometime around the age of 15.

01:05:29 mircea_popescu: seems the us is only now catching on to this thing.

01:06:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265863 << i associate the word with the army and little else

01:06:03 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:32:41; mircea_popescu: and ftrr, what is a "career" ? who do you know that has "a career" ?

01:06:16 asciilifeform: it doesn't really make much sense elsewhere...

01:06:35 mircea_popescu: there are fields where careers exist. you can have a career as a surgeon. oncologist diagnosticians in particular are the fathers of all careerdom,

01:06:44 mircea_popescu: it takes 30 years' worth of looking at fucking probes to spot the cells.

01:06:52 asciilifeform: !s which screw

01:06:53 assbot: 17 results for 'which screw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=which+screw

01:06:57 mircea_popescu: but nobody goes "hey, let's hire this guy, he's in 3rd year medical school"

01:07:10 mircea_popescu: when that happens in a field, a career's in principle impossible.

01:07:30 mircea_popescu: which is why everyone's idea of "career in software" are ridoinculous derps like ers, who do have a career alright

01:07:35 mircea_popescu: except it's not software, it's showbiz.

01:10:56 mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski

01:11:00 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: you know there's software outside of what the silly con valley does

01:11:02 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot kdomanski

01:11:03 assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user kdomanski: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=kdomanski | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/kdomanski/

01:11:48 kdomanski: exempli gratia: if you want to make software for aircraft or tanks, you need to be playing the "career" game for decades

01:12:19 mircea_popescu: !rate kdomanski 1 New blood

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01:12:22 mats: thats not true

01:12:26 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265872 << ergo my reaction to those times when ben_vulpes, trinque, etc express bewilderment at my refusal to 'work in software'

01:12:26 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:35:43; mircea_popescu: who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos.

01:12:40 mats: i know several folks hired out of univ to write ada for e.g. lockheed

01:12:47 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265876 << the interesting part is that this is OPTIONAL. for everyone. even the lowest indian programmer, DOES NOT HAVE TO derpference.

01:12:47 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:37:10; mircea_popescu: yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events.

01:12:48 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.kdomanski.1:54667e89207aaf19e414f5a288e53d6e45deca72b848de2d9c1989f508df90cb

01:12:49 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for kdomanski with note: New blood

01:12:49 mats: following internships.

01:12:50 asciilifeform: !up kdomanski

01:12:51 asciilifeform: kdomanski: mats is right. it is enough to choose your parents carefully.

01:13:23 kdomanski: I didn't know that

01:13:35 kdomanski: then again, I'm not from US

01:13:43 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, THIS blows a heck of a hole in asciilifeform's fairy tale hopes and dreams

01:13:52 mircea_popescu: about how somewhere there are real programmers for real

01:13:59 asciilifeform: sure there are

01:14:01 mats: its an uphill battle, sure. but there's also still a sense of 'meritocracy' in place for a lot of american engineers.

01:14:03 mircea_popescu: making bridges^H^H^H^H airplanes ^H^H^H^ something!!1

01:14:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i work with them

01:14:20 mats: you got the chops, you show le code, many shops will hire you on the strength of that alone

01:14:32 mircea_popescu: mats for the same money, there's still a sense of "t bills are worth something" still in place for a lot of americans.

01:14:57 asciilifeform: mats: 'many' may be an exaggeration, but yes, exists

01:15:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'if it covers the rent and the swill, it's money' approximately

01:15:26 kdomanski: there's shops who hire code monkeys by the kilograms and there's shops where they _almost_ engineer

01:15:36 asciilifeform: (it is actually script, yes, there is a word for it, aha)

01:15:38 asciilifeform: *scrip

01:15:42 asciilifeform: scrip.

01:15:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, do you know what other field pretends like "career" exists while people mostly hiring teenagers ?

01:15:53 mircea_popescu: PORN ACTING!!11

01:16:02 mircea_popescu: im telling you... software's just how boys whore out.

01:16:18 asciilifeform: of the human compiler variety - yes.

01:16:24 mats: maybe. i know of no less than a dozen folks that did such menial labor as retail slavery, telephone support slavery, etc... that got hired on in dev roles after furnishing a repo populated through a year with code motivated by said slavery

01:16:45 mircea_popescu: mats i maintain this is more welfare than hiring.

01:16:47 asciilifeform: mats: i work with just such a man

01:17:20 asciilifeform: again mircea_popescu conflates the sv world with the actual world.

01:17:35 mircea_popescu: for fun and profit!

01:17:37 asciilifeform: yes, it puts out bright light, other things almost impossible to see next to it.

01:17:38 mircea_popescu: fun, mostly.

01:19:58 mircea_popescu: re the "refugee problem" : so the us has been derping about "being a regional power" and sheriffing things and places for reasons.

01:20:09 mircea_popescu: now europe gotta pay for 1-2mn refugees that came out of all that.

01:20:14 mircea_popescu: i wonder if it's gonna send the us the bill.

01:20:17 asciilifeform: didn't want this? don't join nato.

01:20:24 mircea_popescu: a very modest 5 trillion or something.

01:20:25 asciilifeform: 'like sledding, like pulling the sled' (tm)

01:20:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right, because they'd have gone to russia instead.

01:20:40 mircea_popescu: they don't just blindly go to where things are.

01:20:46 asciilifeform: try 'go to russia.'

01:21:30 asciilifeform: (they don't 'nordicsystem' there, no.)

01:21:50 mircea_popescu: they also don't have much the pakistani couldn't get at home.

01:21:54 asciilifeform: aha

01:22:15 asciilifeform: other than rapemeat

01:23:04 mircea_popescu: i dun know how exactly a buncha pakistani would catch up to a russian she-hound.

01:23:20 mircea_popescu: maybe if they lay traps or something. otherwise it's like turkeys chasing coughars.

01:23:27 asciilifeform: ask chechen ?

01:23:44 *: mircea_popescu doesn't know any

01:25:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265316 << "Part and parcel of the present dispute is to clearly make the point that Gavin Andresen does not have the authority to enact or create a hardfork of the Bitcoin network, nor any sort of significant clout, cachet, power to influence the matter etc.

01:25:36 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 16:12:33; pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8l11q9hsJM << “I don't think any of us—especially those five people—want to be the high priests of Bitcoin. We need to find a new way of governing—a new way of coming to decisions and have everyone be happy with the process and the decisions that are reached.”

01:25:36 mircea_popescu: This will be useful for the Bitcoin network first and foremost, because Gavin is, by and large, a mentally retarded doofus displaying a shocking amount of Dunning-Kruger syndrome in his assorted dabblings in economics and other hard fields."

01:25:53 mircea_popescu: he could have just accepted it then. but no, idiots gotta derp first.

01:26:31 mircea_popescu: so now we're going to spin as "it's not rape if we wilfully spread for mp's will" ? mmmmkay.

01:26:40 asciilifeform: wai wut

01:26:41 *: mircea_popescu 's feelings r all hurt by this.

01:26:43 asciilifeform: did i miss this spreading ?

01:26:53 thestringpuller: trinque: nah diversity is a kind of magic dust you sprinkle on your products << could you elaborate? Makes it sound like Chappelle's joke on cops sprinkling crack on black guys at crime scenes. "Open and shut case Johnson! Now lets sprinkle some crack on him and call it a night."

01:26:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the quote.

01:27:11 asciilifeform: i don't see it.

01:27:22 asciilifeform: they want to rule without publicly sitting on a throne, yes

01:27:26 asciilifeform: not the same as surrender.

01:27:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265320 << youtube doesn't work that way, but anyways.

01:27:41 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 16:15:52; *: pete_dushenski doesn't recommend wasting 80 mins of precious life watching gavin derp on podcast. just for historical reference and record.

01:28:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the dead want to eat pussy, surely.

01:29:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265342 << except it's really a case of "how debian is not only stealing linux from the people who made it, but is attempting to steal their having been stolen from, too!"

01:29:13 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 17:14:04; punkman: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-debian-is-trying-to-shut-down-the-cia-and-make-software-trustworthy-again

01:30:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265359 << doh.

01:30:37 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 17:29:28; pete_dushenski: apparently ashley madison was yet another mommy blogger/daddy investor 'make money while you sleep' scam

01:31:02 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: "i saw this once when i was a rookie, nigger broke in and put up picture of his family everywhere. let's sprinkle some crack on him and get outta here."

01:31:06 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/#selection-3043.1-3043.123 being the controlling point there.

01:31:07 assbot: Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XDVtRu )

01:31:11 mircea_popescu: "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person."

01:31:34 mircea_popescu: the end of social media will come exactly like how nobody could have predicted it by reading a 2014 fraudsters article.

01:32:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265368 << you're plain out wrong. everyone gets to, and a lot of people much dumber than you are, and have. and you know this for a fact yourself. and will continue to do so.

01:32:58 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: the real enabler is usg, of course, because not just anyone gets to harvest the chump armies.

01:33:13 asciilifeform: they are placed well.

01:33:31 mircea_popescu: no, they are not.

01:33:34 pete_dushenski: or just 'ambitious'

01:33:39 mircea_popescu: they're just numerous and don't give a fuck.

01:33:55 asciilifeform: ^ now this, possibly.

01:33:57 mircea_popescu: this is an essenmtial ingredient of all action. you have to, in some degree, in some shape, somewhere, not give a fuck.

01:34:05 asciilifeform: and be numerous, l0l

01:34:14 mircea_popescu: this is exactly how you drive, for the record.

01:34:28 mircea_popescu: but yers, for as long as you delude yourself into needing permission, guess what.

01:34:30 mircea_popescu: you will need it.

01:34:59 asciilifeform: it is not so much about permission as it is about enculturation.

01:35:19 trinque: thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good.

01:36:05 mircea_popescu: trinque ironically enough, ACTUAL diversity WOULD be inherently good.

01:36:22 mircea_popescu: what's never going to be good is hiring some inept crowd followrs. they're gay, don't you know, because they saw it on tv.

01:36:47 trinque: yeah, diverse group of highly competent people? sounds fine

01:36:54 mircea_popescu: you don't see "diversity is inherently good so we've hired a fbi most wanted guy"

01:36:54 trinque: this means bronies and trannies

01:37:01 trinque: heh

01:37:17 mircea_popescu: and we want the fed to change regulations because they're getting in the way of paying our employee

01:37:21 mircea_popescu: who is saving to blow up the fed.

01:37:26 mircea_popescu: diversity ftw.

01:37:44 trinque: but you can pick from one of the 8 state sanctioned personalities!

01:38:14 mircea_popescu: diversitit!

01:39:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265428 << post it ?

01:39:18 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 18:10:40; trinque: ahaha I just got an e-mail from "pantera capital" addressed to [FirstName] inviting me to apply for funding.

01:40:30 BingoBoingo: trinque: SUre it isn't a spearfish?

01:41:13 trinque: oh actually it might've been; it's asking me to invest with "pantera capital" or something

01:41:15 *: trinque dpastes

01:41:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265456 << this is actually how it goes. or to hear graham say it, "tech millionaires are savvy about how to make the ponzi grow."

01:41:34 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 18:17:30; ascii_field: or invested in best phriend's 'sure to make megabux!!11!!11' sv idiocy

01:42:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266089 << if you 'often hear' this, you may be standing too close to the beast-who-digests-for-800-years

01:42:03 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 01:35:19; trinque: thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good.

01:42:21 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "Ron Glantz"

01:42:45 trinque: http://i.imgur.com/0ZIjfYw.png << upon second inspection, has to be a scam

01:42:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql2Rwp )

01:42:51 mircea_popescu: omfg gina glantz's wife !?

01:43:24 asciilifeform: trinque: you so much as entertained the notion that it is ~not~ a scam ?!!

01:43:32 mircea_popescu: dude check it out lmao. the hamplanet transgenderderpatron is investing in bitcoin nao

01:43:34 trinque: only glanced and junkmailed

01:44:33 mircea_popescu: ftr pantera capital = Ron Glantz Director of Research ; Matt Gorham Trader ; Jed McCaleb Venture Partner ; Dan Morehead CEO ; Paul Veradittakit Vice President ; Steve Waterhouse Partner

01:44:58 mircea_popescu: just in case any of the friends of scammer&idiot club need to know after a few years why they're blacklisted.

01:45:58 pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2014/12/changetip-raises-3-5-million-lead-by-pantera-capital/ <<

01:45:59 assbot: ChangeTip Raises $3.5 Million Lead by Pantera Capital | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql39Dy )

01:46:29 pete_dushenski: wasn't mccaleb from stellar or ripple or something ?

01:46:43 asciilifeform: l0l it's a real american corp

01:46:45 asciilifeform: how classy

01:46:46 trinque: https://twitter.com/PanteraCapital/status/640952461637775360 << definitely a scam

01:46:50 *: asciilifeform assumed it was a spamcorp

01:46:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265470 <<< the only thing that goes with this is http://fraudsters.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/#selection-115.0-123.37

01:46:53 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 18:20:59; pete_dushenski: " It’s not going to make much of a dent in (for example) medical insurance, thanks to the statist bastards who’ve driven health-care costs into the stratosphere through their incessant meddling. (They cost my wife her job, too – that’s been psychologically rough on her.)" << moar esr from punkman's link

01:46:54 assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ql38iY )

01:47:06 mircea_popescu: derp made a deal, sold out the thing, a decade later is out on his ass.

01:47:11 mircea_popescu: where is his derpitude now ?

01:47:22 mircea_popescu: oh he knew so much better then, and "of course" this and that.

01:47:33 mircea_popescu: and now ? where's the letter going "i was a fucking imbecile to sign with the usg!!11"

01:47:36 mircea_popescu: where's shrem's for that matter ?

01:47:48 mircea_popescu: idiots aren't truly idiots unless they stay unaware of their idiocy throughout.

01:47:54 pete_dushenski: also beggin for donations

01:48:07 mircea_popescu: i'm going to donate to him right after i'm done donating to vessenes.

01:48:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't wait for this letter. after all, he still has a skin for them to take

01:48:38 mircea_popescu: right.

01:48:53 asciilifeform: btw, perhaps the lightest, but still not forgotten, of esr's crimes is his theft of the 'hacker's dictionary'

01:48:56 mircea_popescu: i dun know how to put it plainer than : the war is between smart people and stupid people.

01:49:05 mircea_popescu: if you are not fighting with the smart people to opress the stupid,

01:49:10 asciilifeform: which he appropriated, slapped own name on the cover, and peppered with idiot invented words with no history

01:49:11 mircea_popescu: you are then fighting wqith the stupid to opress the smart.

01:49:16 mircea_popescu: there's no neutrality in this matter.

01:49:21 mircea_popescu: pick a side and die with it. you will.

01:50:00 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-05-2015#1119815 << oblig

01:50:00 assbot: Logged on 04-05-2015 19:28:02; ascii_field: 'The problem is that "exploitation" happens only to people stupider (and consequently less informed) than the "exploiter". The root cause of this whole world problem is that some people are smarter than others. There are two basic solutions to this problem: Kill all the morons, or kill all the brains. If you look at how several political regimes have behaved throughout history, you might get the impr

01:50:09 asciilifeform: (naggumism)

01:50:43 asciilifeform: esr is ~the~ 'plowing fly' of linux.

01:50:46 mircea_popescu: pretty much.

01:51:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in terms of actual work done, rms is not that far behind

01:51:10 mircea_popescu: and i don't mean code work. intellectual work altogether.

01:51:24 mircea_popescu: he's not nearly the strategic mind he masturbares himself over.

01:51:26 asciilifeform: meet esr in the flesh - the gasbag won't ever shut up about how his fingers were 'on everything.' -- and they were.

01:51:31 asciilifeform: just not in the sense he claimed.

01:51:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eben moglen did 90% of what rms is famous for.

01:52:41 asciilifeform: rms, interestingly, did to emacs something much like esr tried to do to the things he sprayed his piss on

01:52:59 asciilifeform: emacs in a recognizable form long pre-dated rms.

01:53:25 asciilifeform: but rms is a man of much greater talent, and isn't really a snake the way esr is.

01:53:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265515 << also, they discovered the victims were actually white.

01:53:26 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 19:40:08; ascii_field: 2011 trial "contributed to the mob mentality potentially inherent in instantaneous, unbridled, passionate online discourse," the court said. In light of that, the appellate court found a fair trial wasn't possible.'

01:53:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform me is unpersuaded as to this talent.

01:54:39 asciilifeform: given as things did not turn to shit while they were in his hands - i must say yes

01:54:52 asciilifeform: but i know neither of them personally. can only judge 'by their fruits.'

01:55:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265534 << i've been having nothing but hot dentists! at least one was totally privy to this, ample cleavage.

01:55:25 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 19:52:22; kakobrekla: find yourself a hot dentist.

01:55:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the man who digs into an untenable position may be well intended, but he is still not a talented commander.

01:56:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall that rms began long before 'personal' variety of computer was worth a sparrow's fart.

01:57:02 asciilifeform: the present-day turn of events was not dreamt of.

01:57:14 mircea_popescu: so ?

01:57:18 mircea_popescu: talent means dreamt of.

01:57:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265575 << ahaha for srs ?

01:57:35 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 20:12:07; ascii_field: analmaster is my neighbour in the uranium minez

01:57:41 asciilifeform: who, then, dreamt? the closest i can think of is weizenbaum

01:58:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. fella once known as b00lcrap. he swore he knew where he hid his key though, so he may yet come back to life.

01:58:26 mircea_popescu: so that if no one is talented this crop we appoint one to tbe "most likely to be talented" ?

01:58:32 mircea_popescu: either it is there or it is not there.

01:58:34 mircea_popescu: was not there.

01:58:38 asciilifeform: ^

01:59:18 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1118807

01:59:18 assbot: Logged on 03-05-2015 03:07:38; asciilifeform: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174003340/Joseph-Weizenbaum-Computer-Power-and-Human-Reason-From-Judgement-to-Calculation-1976#scribd << warez copy

02:00:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'analmaster' is a double entendre

02:00:50 asciilifeform: he's a reverser.

02:25:00 deedbot-: [Qntra] Enhanced Spyware Comes to Older Versions of Windows - http://qntra.net/2015/09/enhanced-spyware-comes-to-older-versions-of-windows/

02:29:21 asciilifeform: KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 << win

02:52:49 pete_dushenski: decent isner-federer match.

03:01:40 mircea_popescu: ahahah what!

03:03:42 pete_dushenski: i also read that microshit will no longer be detailing what's in its patches. just trust ! (tm)

03:07:39 asciilifeform: http://www.sigsam.org/bulletin/articles/178/stoutemyer.pdf << again, for anyone who missed this, and is interested in 'derive' or 'mulisp'. this article was co-written by the authors of mulisp and derive! chock-full of implementation details and interesting lore. and yes, it is in pdf. and no, it cannot be represented in ascii. fuckyou buy a printer.

03:07:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3qt7C )

03:07:43 BingoBoingo: To be fair pete_dushenski Microsoft probably doesn't even know what they are ordered to put into patches anymore

03:08:23 asciilifeform: i just finished the piece, it is a gem.

03:08:26 pete_dushenski: bwahaha 'be fair' to microshit ? mkay.

03:08:40 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: though i see where you're coming from

03:09:08 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: microshit was never especially talkative re: exactly what was in the patches.

03:09:42 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265836 << lol n00b

03:09:42 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:25:01; shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265811 <<< I daresay this is my most quoted statement here to date.

03:09:50 BingoBoingo: Microshit is basically a Shrem, they signed the papers

03:09:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there are gigantic farms of folks toiling, reversing microshit's patches

03:10:01 *: ben_vulpes eyeskipped over 'me', is a derp

03:10:03 ben_vulpes: my

03:10:05 ben_vulpes: ack

03:10:24 pete_dushenski: haha

03:11:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i also learned that 'ti-92' is being sold by the bucketful on 'ebay', evidently it has fallen out of favour somewhere institutional

03:11:13 BingoBoingo: interesting

03:11:15 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i recall that you were an aficionado

03:11:22 asciilifeform: it, btw, contains 'derive'

03:11:29 asciilifeform: just as the 89 series did

03:11:29 BingoBoingo: Yes, might have to go looking

03:11:43 asciilifeform: i picked one up for ~25 usd not long ago

03:11:49 asciilifeform: as all of my '89's wandered off

03:11:51 asciilifeform: grew legs, they did.

03:11:53 asciilifeform: years ago.

03:12:21 mircea_popescu: "Perricone?s and later First United States Attorney and Chief of the Office?s Criminal Division Jan Mann?s identities were uncovered by forensic comparison of their characteristic writing styles in the online comments and in court filings. The forensic expert in question had previously assisted the FBI in identifying the Unabomber."

03:12:35 mircea_popescu: check it out. it wasn't actually even proven or anything. just, narratively reconstructed ex post facto

03:12:55 asciilifeform: whazzis

03:12:57 mircea_popescu: this may be the most outrageous perversion of justice yet.

03:13:02 asciilifeform: where

03:13:05 *: mircea_popescu looks forward to shooting usg agents for sport.

03:13:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that "cops shot white people so it's not a crime" thing, re katrina.

03:13:23 asciilifeform: ah that thing

03:13:38 asciilifeform: 'course it's not a crime! they won't, after all, riot

03:13:51 asciilifeform: won't destroy shops, etc

03:17:19 asciilifeform: usa is, approximately, a safari preserve. yes, most of the inmates of the zoo will never be shot at, not directly. but every so often the keepers drive the jeep through the safari lands, shoot the most uppity beasts, sometimes invite friends for a sport hunt

03:19:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at the moment the shoot-for-sport thing is entirely in the other direction.

03:19:06 mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally, re midnightmagic's question, i don't recall the format. was it the deeds get concatenated with \n as aseparator, sha512'd and that's the pubkey for the spend ?

03:19:23 asciilifeform: lon horiuchi, for example, is a free man.

03:19:28 asciilifeform: and prolly collecting a fat pension at this point

03:20:01 mircea_popescu: other direction ? you kidding man, not shot as much as a bb round this way.

03:20:20 mircea_popescu: and to use the most apropriate expression for this, which happens to be in romanian, "atita le si trebe'"

03:23:16 trinque: mircea_popescu: it is sha256 of the bundle's deed joined by \n - which is used as a private key - from which the pubkey and address are produced

03:23:22 trinque: *deeds

03:24:07 mircea_popescu: aha

03:24:21 mircea_popescu: check it out i had mostly all of it.

03:24:25 BingoBoingo: trinque: Also the site prolly needs the deedbot funding address on it

03:24:53 mircea_popescu: it's there

03:24:58 asciilifeform: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/02/william-norman-grigg/lon-horiuchi-american-sniper << for folks unfamiliar with the figure

03:24:59 assbot: Lon Horiuchi: American Sniper – LewRockwell.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1i95iH2 )

03:25:29 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dun see it

03:26:20 trinque: it has the address to which spent, but I can add the other at the top there

03:26:22 mircea_popescu: 29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1 << i misreads that

03:26:30 mircea_popescu: trinque srsly, make a faq.

03:26:40 trinque: k I'll make it friendlier-er

03:27:34 asciilifeform: 'Horiuchi?s comrades offered the same defense of the FBI sniper?s murderous actions at Ruby Ridge. By killing Vicki, he acted ?to save lives,? insisted fellow FBI sniper Dale Monroe. Like the unnamed Iraqi woman, Vicki must be regarded as a hateful, irrational, marginally human creature who simply didn?t understand that when the Empire makes a proprietary claim on you and your family, it is not only a crime but a sin

03:27:34 asciilifeform: to resist.'

03:28:09 asciilifeform: 'The FBI?s theatrical professions of regret over Vicki?s death belied the fact that the battalion of combat-outfitted law enforcement personnel on the scene at Ruby Ridge celebrated the killing as a noble victory: With full knowledge that Mrs. Weaver was dead, they named their staging area ?Camp Vicki,? and used a public address system to taunt Randy and his by pretending to speak on behalf of his dead wife.'

03:31:18 mircea_popescu: trinque the requirement for people to be in the wot to use it ain't never going away. but the pressure to actually get in said wot is ever mounting.

03:31:22 mircea_popescu: and will continue to mount indefinitely.

03:31:48 trinque: indeed; I'll put something on it to point the way in

03:32:07 mircea_popescu: up to and including surrounding holdsouts houses with monkeys in combat armor, killing their wives and bitches in no particular order and then impersonating them over the loudspeaker.

03:32:16 mircea_popescu: and then when they cave and get in the wot, negrating them, of course.

03:32:24 asciilifeform: l0l!

03:32:26 trinque: hahaha

03:32:37 mircea_popescu: i am my unsmiling face.

03:33:05 trinque: I will certainly indicate on the site that joining the WoT is the next move if you want to use it.

03:33:18 mircea_popescu: it's a start, before we buy some armor.

03:34:03 mircea_popescu: but anyway, that's all for tonite, take it ezzy!

03:34:12 trinque: gnite

03:36:44 asciilifeform: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/hires_mother_s_assassin_159.html << lulzy

03:36:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1i95UfO )

03:36:50 asciilifeform: nice fella. sells hunting equipment now.

03:38:03 asciilifeform: btw, for the benefit of non-u.s. folk, i will explain that the missing piece in the 'why no public outrage then' puzzle is that most 'thinking' u.s. people reacted with 'if only the feds would burn EVERY fundamentalist loony church'

03:41:46 asciilifeform: there is a good case to be made that a pro hitman like mr horiuchi is a considerably less-loathesome creature than a gavin who lies for money

03:41:52 asciilifeform: but then again nobody asked me.

03:42:08 thestringpuller: wow davout was right

03:42:12 thestringpuller: #bitcoin-xt is full of lulz

03:42:28 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: share a choice gibblet or two ?

03:42:44 thestringpuller: sure

03:42:45 thestringpuller: lemme dig

03:44:20 thestringpuller: 16:42 <@hearn> who said they had to? i don't have a dedicated connection. got 25 mbit/sec upstream

03:44:26 thestringpuller: 16:42 <@hearn> that's just a normal home connection, not even the fastest available

03:44:45 asciilifeform: lol what a miser !

03:45:08 asciilifeform: then again, why would hearn need to host on his own box ??!

03:45:13 asciilifeform: got thousands of willing chumps

03:45:35 pete_dushenski: so he thinks.

03:46:57 thestringpuller: oh another good one

03:47:02 thestringpuller: from some rando in chan

03:47:03 thestringpuller: 17:44 < Tiraspol> when are my bitcoins gonna cost 1000$ each again

03:47:05 thestringpuller: 17:44 < Tiraspol> plz help

03:48:14 asciilifeform: 'when are your bitcoins gonna cost $1 again / plz help'

04:06:36 pete_dushenski: "Starting last month, New York City began tracking about 400 people's driving habits, including how much gas they use, when they drive, where they are, and how fast their cars go. The program, called "Drive Smart," promises drivers discounts of up to 30 percent on their Allstate auto insurance, as well as "incentive rewards valued at $25," according to the program website.

04:06:36 pete_dushenski: "The idea is to understand how people drive in the city"The program will also collect data on when a driver breaks hard or makes a sharp, fast turn. The idea, according to the New York Department of Transportation, is to understand how people drive in the city, in the hopes of solving traffic problems including NYC's famous gridlock."

04:07:19 pete_dushenski: goddam that hellhole. no different than asciilifeform's 'voluntary a/c turnoff'.

04:07:26 pete_dushenski: soon to be mandatory.

04:09:50 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265019

04:09:50 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 04:11:39; asciilifeform: and for the predictable game of hopscotch through various 'voluntary', 'voluntary-compulsory', finally compulsory belt-tightenings

04:11:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25370 @ 0.00073015 = 18.5239 BTC [-] {2}

04:23:41 mats: its a popular thing

04:24:58 mats: there are other car insurers who offer the device and will lower your rates if you drive predictably and safely

04:31:40 BingoBoingo: It is not a popular thing.

04:37:32 pete_dushenski: even if it were popular, that'd only put it in the facebook camp of 'retarded things lots of americans do because they're very nearly too stupid to breath and most definitely too stupid to know when they're being raped.'

04:37:51 pete_dushenski: fuck vehicle tracking

04:38:47 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+wake+me+up+when << i l0ll3d

04:38:47 assbot: 24 results for 'from:asciilifeform wake me up when' - #bitcoin-assets search

04:38:47 pete_dushenski: then again, i say this as someone who wouldn't drive a car at all if i could only afford to drive a tracking beacon

04:39:45 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo: my understanding is that the tracking box is meant as a 'penal' thing for folks who had their rates go through the roof from chronically getting into wrecks - to try to get something like a sane price again

04:40:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I thought it was scam they used to keep Normal Ordinary Responsible People paying instead of switching insurers

04:40:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have yet to see this kind of thing alive.

04:41:05 asciilifeform: and i live in the world scam capital.

04:41:20 BingoBoingo: I've seen commercials

04:41:56 BingoBoingo: But this seems more like a thing to turn reliable NORP customers into penal customers

04:42:36 asciilifeform: at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile

04:42:54 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hehe, presumably via "As to the second point, that America > Europe because the former is in any way free of its own rent-seeking mandarin class, to quote an alf, look no further than USGavin, Paul Graham, Blablalawsky and their continued ability to buy groceries and pay rent."

04:43:02 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha

04:43:20 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: norp ?

04:43:33 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile << I've got a letter offering to switch to this if had "onstar" or OBDII dongle

04:43:44 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Normal Ordinary Responsible Person

04:44:09 asciilifeform: vs what?

04:44:28 pete_dushenski: 'folks who had their rates go through the roof from chronically getting into wrecks '

04:44:29 mats: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/automotive-usage-based-insurance-ubi-market-report-2015-2025-insurance-telematics-and-the-connected-car-521384301.html

04:44:31 assbot: Automotive Usage-Based Insurance (UBI) Market Report 2015-2025 Insurance Telematics and the Connected Car -- LONDON, August 11, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- ... ( http://bit.ly/1VK2IWf )

04:44:31 asciilifeform: demented, extraordinary irresponsible chimp ?

04:44:46 BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> pete_dushenski: Normal Ordinary Responsible Person << vs. penal designated or blessed orcs

04:45:02 mats: >new 228 page report assesses that the global market for automotive usage-based insurance (UBI) will account for 21.7 million policyholders in 2015, a significant increase over the 12.2 million policyholders accounted for in 2014.

04:45:07 pete_dushenski: mats: do you have this ?

04:45:07 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> demented, extraordinary irresponsible chimp ? << pretty much

04:45:30 mats: no, I don't own a vehicle anymore

04:45:37 asciilifeform: per-mile insurance would be a good deal for some folks - who almost never drive

04:45:39 asciilifeform: e.g., my brother

04:46:53 mats: when I do drive (carsharing program), yes, it is armed

04:53:45 mats: I already own a smartphone, run Windows on a networked device for research work, operate computers downstream of pwned backbone, use credit cards, have bank account, and live in a city covered in public and private CCTV

04:54:40 mats: being afraid of GPS on car would be ridiculous.

04:55:42 pete_dushenski: for you. but you're nuts.

04:56:36 pete_dushenski: mats: but how comes the pgp keyserver ? will it also be zany ?

04:57:02 mats: am on iteration #3

04:58:59 pete_dushenski: any timeline on completion ?

04:59:50 mats: I thought it would be done two months ago

05:00:08 pete_dushenski: now ?

05:00:12 mats: am aiming for xmas.

05:00:51 pete_dushenski: do you have other projects on the go ?

05:03:26 mats: I'm looking for employment and reading intel manuals

05:03:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.000733 = 30.1996 BTC [+] {6}

05:08:16 pete_dushenski: mats: what kind of work are you in search of ?

05:08:53 mats: jr sysadmin roles mostly

05:09:22 mats: what I'd like to be doing a year from now would be entry level appsec work

05:10:05 mats: so I'm fighting several battles on different fronts, lots of 17 hour days for the foreseeable future

05:11:57 mats: the smart play would be to take the next year off and study, produce projects, but it is hard to gauge how my competency will advance in that time

05:13:57 pete_dushenski: if you can afford the time off, i doubt a year of autodidacticism would be wasted.

05:14:34 pete_dushenski: "An Uberized education is when --as in antiquity -- one goes to a specific teacher to get lectures, bypassing the university. The students and the teachers are thus matched. If a piece of paper is necessary, it would be given by *that* teacher, or a group of teachers. It is not too different from the decentralized apprentice model." -herr taleb

05:14:59 pete_dushenski: though it'd obviously help if you had a teacher, mats

05:17:44 pete_dushenski: http://www.theawl.com/2014/10/interpreting-the-animal-choices-on-the-worlds-most-popular-programming-books << o'reilly covers only.

05:17:45 assbot: Interpreting the Animal Choices on the World's Most Popular Programming Books - The Awl ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuPfbE )

05:18:45 mats: I'm an anticipating an offer from a boston private univ with a number of decent security researchers so I will be hounding them given the opportunity

05:20:15 mats: also auditing some mit security courses but the instructors don't seem to have time for me

05:21:14 pete_dushenski: well, that's all for me this eve. bon soir !

05:27:56 mats: mebbe ill have more luck in the fall

05:37:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 137 @ 0.00841001 = 1.1522 BTC [-]

05:47:48 mats: https://imgur.com/QC51FZz

05:47:49 assbot: [TW: Not tumblr] Github disables repo for use of the word "retard" - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBbnIS )

05:55:42 BingoBoingo: Oh, BitBet has a new Sport Bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/

05:55:42 assbot: BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.2 B (16%) on Yes, 1.07 B (84%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`946 (100`000 to 25`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKaf7t )

06:10:27 BingoBoingo: Also little action here https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/

06:10:27 assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (98%) on Yes, 2.56 B (2%) on No | closing in 9 months 3 weeks | weight: 94`968 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq )

06:36:11 BingoBoingo: Marching Dong https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--y4MUeXBk--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/ytloa1iyufjtyhffxiqt.jpg

06:36:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKeuQz )

07:00:22 punkman: http://au.idigitaltimes.com/malware-found-pre-installed-xiaomi-huawei-lenovo-phones-107190

07:00:23 assbot: Malware Found Pre-Installed on Xiaomi, Huawei, Lenovo Phones ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKh219 )

07:02:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6436 @ 0.00073483 = 4.7294 BTC [+]

07:18:39 punkman: http://imgur.com/IbmcCgH

07:18:40 assbot: I found the AirBnB logo in Trademarks & Symbols of the World published in 1988 - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKj9C1 )

07:19:44 punkman: "was designed by Akisato Ueda for a Japanese drive-in called Azuma in 1975"

07:27:30 punkman: https://chessdailynews.com/morse-code-chess-cheating/

07:44:16 funkenstein_: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/25TAZHG.txt

07:44:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKlVHj )

07:45:50 funkenstein_: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/25TAZHG.txt

07:45:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKlVHj )

07:46:38 funkenstein_: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8.txt

07:46:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENcrXA )

07:46:40 deedbot-: accepted: 1

07:47:17 funkenstein_: thanks for support trinque, apologies for deedbot noobage

07:47:25 funkenstein_: punkman, lol

07:51:32 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266083 <-- bump :)

07:51:32 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 01:33:57; mircea_popescu: this is an essenmtial ingredient of all action. you have to, in some degree, in some shape, somewhere, not give a fuck.

07:53:01 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265880 <-- i'd love to hear more about this one

07:53:01 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:39:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265166 << this happens to be exactly what they did the one time they did it.

08:02:35 *: funkenstein_ gets his kicks on bip66

08:03:28 funkenstein_: if I ever plan to rotor west

08:06:31 punkman: http://40.media.tumblr.com/54308302be0c0021cf7d6f5c4980c50b/tumblr_mpcb2b4cd81ryflmqo1_1280.jpg

08:06:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKo45W )

09:09:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00073758 = 6.1957 BTC [+]

09:15:21 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265671 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265675 ya never raced for pinks so that you could buy some racing slicks, racing manifold and defeat the king and win his corvette?

09:15:21 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 21:23:09; shinohai: BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/PdzPuTM.jpg

09:15:21 assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 21:24:39; analmaster: please provide some context

09:33:00 punkman: http://www.wsj.com/news/article_email/inside-ubers-fight-with-its-chinese-nemesis-didi-kuaidi-1441234010-lMyQjAxMTE1OTA2MzEwMTM3Wj

09:33:02 assbot: Inside Uber’s Fight With Its Chinese Nemesis, Didi Kuaidi - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NffMjB )

09:55:34 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266188 <<< pretty much stand on iphone.. patch notes always "bux fixes and improvements" and that's it, no actual list

09:55:34 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 03:03:42; pete_dushenski: i also read that microshit will no longer be detailing what's in its patches. just trust ! (tm)

09:55:40 cazalla: standard even

09:57:50 jurov: !rate mats 1 prolific coinbr user

09:57:50 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2a776067de9fe727

09:58:31 jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.mats.1:308359bd6aec6767c989d08376a2b05806749428f6dd411c62465e418a03a293

09:58:31 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mats with note: prolific coinbr user

09:59:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00073596 = 9.2731 BTC [-] {2}

11:21:33 shinohai: ;;ticker

11:21:34 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.03, Best ask: 245.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 245.02, 24 hour volume: 13483.29700528, 24 hour low: 240.22, 24 hour high: 247.68, 24 hour vwap: None

12:38:57 shinohai: http://coinname.me/ <<< Poorly researched white papers and scam IPO not included.

12:38:58 assbot: Coin Name ... ( http://bit.ly/1iugyxO )

12:59:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.0007357 = 1.2507 BTC [-]

13:25:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00073926 = 1.6264 BTC [+] {2}

13:31:33 funkenstein_: ;;later tell pete_dushenski thanks for reading and comments :)

13:31:33 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:32:35 funkenstein_: the vocabulary of "sleeve" as vehicle of consciousness originated in Richard K Morgan's "Takeshi Kovac" trilogy

13:33:20 funkenstein_: which while admittedly could be dismissed as cyberpunk pulp with a 7th grade vocabulary, I still claim kicks ass

13:33:40 funkenstein_: and has some of the best sex and violence this side of Sagittarius A

13:34:03 funkenstein_: and some scathing social commentary, which I believe if you are as much a fan of the writing of mircea_popescu as I am, you will enjoy

13:36:09 funkenstein_: As to the sabidur?a ind?gena, it's not worth tying people down to lecture them any more than it is to stick bitcoins up some random grandmother's ass

13:37:00 funkenstein_: her ignorance can only be cured by intellectual curiosity, from which obtaining of relevant literature is sure to follow

13:38:18 funkenstein_: *Kovacs

13:39:40 funkenstein_: until then, she can stick with "usg is great because kills", "socialism is great because CERN", and "I am valuable because bipedal mouthbreather with below average epidermal albedo"

13:39:46 funkenstein_: a comfort zone I never found very compelling

14:02:17 *: funkenstein_ would like to hear what kind of "sept. 23" nonsense y'all have come across in dredging the intertubes

14:30:54 thestringpuller: !s asciilifeform password generation

14:30:55 assbot: 0 results for 'asciilifeform password generation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=asciilifeform+password+generation

14:30:57 shinohai: Finally my node makes it past height 300k \o/

14:31:02 thestringpuller: !s asciilifeform passphrase generation

14:31:02 assbot: 0 results for 'asciilifeform passphrase generation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=asciilifeform+passphrase+generation

14:31:14 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: any recommendations on this subject?

14:31:49 asciilifeform: hm?

14:32:11 asciilifeform: what exactly is the objective ?

14:32:22 asciilifeform: (i.e. does it need to be human-memorable?)

14:33:18 thestringpuller: do you mind explaining difference in proper methodology for both? (non-human memorable and human memorable)

14:33:57 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if non-memorable, then just take favourite rng and encode output in such a way that it can be re-entered via a keyboard

14:34:23 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265949 << it's even better than you could possibly know, alf. the things can be had for being white, female, and taking 50k in loans out per year while studying art.

14:34:23 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:59:04; asciilifeform: trinque: 10 to 1 odds the card is her mother's

14:34:46 asciilifeform: as for memorable passwords, i cannot possibly give any useful advice other than 'know more than one and preferably more than two languages'

14:35:13 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what about pi memorization method? Make non human readable and just memorize it like trying to go for exam.

14:35:20 asciilifeform: also works. it is an intensely personal matter

14:35:28 thestringpuller: i see.

14:35:42 asciilifeform: learn basic 'mnemonism' if you have not already learned.

14:41:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00074001 = 13.3202 BTC [+] {5}

14:44:46 Naphex: o/

14:47:49 ben_vulpes: wb

14:53:35 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266312 << eg me, who drives a car with no antilock brakes and all of the weight in the front

14:53:35 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 04:44:31; asciilifeform: demented, extraordinary irresponsible chimp ?

14:53:42 ben_vulpes: morning, mike_c

15:06:56 mike_c: good morning

15:10:11 thestringpuller: you west coasters

15:10:15 thestringpuller: it's almost lunch time here

15:51:13 Naphex: lmao.. so streamium after spamming reddit for months with their angular app. Decide to throw a sissy fit on reddit and play butthurt because of... downvotes :o

15:51:26 Naphex: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3k0w8r/psa_in_the_last_few_days_someone_has_been/

15:51:28 assbot: PSA: in the last few days, someone has been spamming a (probably fraudulent, or at least very dishonest) proprietary webcam streaming site advertisements to /r/bitcoin and downvoting any mentions of an open-source decentralized alternative. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KC9ag8 )

15:54:26 Naphex: for the lulz

16:00:25 shinohai: lol Naphex good one.

16:00:55 shinohai: I loved how they pushed that shit so hard for weeks and 99% of the time it never worked.

16:01:50 *: shinohai offers streamium a Band-Aid for teh butthurt ( ::: [ ] ::: )

16:02:54 Naphex: hehe

16:03:07 Naphex: and that's why i'm guessing they are getting downvoted

16:05:26 Naphex: fun thing is streamium guys were all on xotika

16:05:36 Naphex: and tried to get models to do streamium

16:05:49 Naphex: oh come use streamium, you get 100%

16:07:52 Naphex: oh well atleast i loled

16:07:58 Naphex: i'll copy the bandaid and pass it on

16:09:31 shinohai: :D

16:34:51 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

16:38:30 ascii_field: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=QizxwEAAAAAJ&hl=en << spiffy

16:38:31 assbot: David R. Stoutemyer - Google Scholar Citations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ng3XJR )

16:38:39 ascii_field: but go and find most of'em

16:47:09 ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al: i have been searching, in vain, for a means to contact stoutemyer. seems like he's gone full-bore knuth and has no published means of contact at all...

16:54:26 ascii_field: i would like to try to convince david stoutmemyer to publish 'derive' src, or albert rich to publish 'mulisp''s

16:54:55 ascii_field: very doubtful that anything will come of it, but at present time no one, afaik, has so much as asked them.

17:12:21 Apocalyptic: !up ascii_field

17:12:33 Apocalyptic: ascii_field, any handy tricks to boot that derive img with qemu ?

17:12:55 ascii_field: Apocalyptic: qemu-system-x86_64 -fda image.img

17:16:37 Apocalyptic: same result as with qemu-system-i386 that I originally tried, SeaBios fails with "Non-system disk or disk error"

17:16:51 ascii_field: Apocalyptic: did you ungzip it ?

17:17:14 Apocalyptic: although qemu warns about "prohibiting raw", I guess that's the bugger, will investigate it...

17:17:18 Apocalyptic: ascii_field, please :)

17:17:31 ascii_field: and make sure my pgp sig verifies.

17:18:45 Apocalyptic: "WARNING: Image format was not specified for 'derive_and_more.img' and probing guessed raw." for reference

17:19:16 ascii_field: Apocalyptic: did not answer my questions

17:19:25 ascii_field: 1) did you ungzip it 2) did you verify my pgp sig

17:19:30 Apocalyptic: yes I did ungzip it

17:19:43 Apocalyptic: I will proceed to verify the sig

17:19:51 ascii_field: also what ver qemu ?

17:19:54 ascii_field: on your box

17:20:11 Apocalyptic: QEMU emulator version 2.4.0

17:20:33 ascii_field: and did you run -fda image.img

17:20:38 ascii_field: because -hda will not work.

17:21:25 ascii_field: btw this is a 100% standard bootable floppy image created by genuine msdos 6.22

17:21:36 Apocalyptic: crap that was it, thank you

17:21:43 ascii_field: np

17:45:09 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:07:52 ascii_field: http://l.avala.mp/blog/ghost-got-secrets-ghostbins-guts-part-1 << mega-l0l

18:07:54 assbot: Ghost Got Secrets - Ghostbin's Guts Part 1 | Lavalamp's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuSEC9 )

18:26:29 shinohai: !up ascii_field

18:30:08 ascii_field: https://github.com/therealmik/batchgcd << anyone know this fella ?

18:30:09 assbot: therealmik/batchgcd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuVPtA )

18:31:47 trinque: ;;later tell mircea_popescu made some updates to deedbot.org, added F.A.Q. which will grow more today. Of particular note, more sensible URLs, and a separate download for each bundle as it was hashed.

18:31:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:33:17 trinque: curl http://deedbot.org/bundle-372720.txt | python gen-addr.py

18:33:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZrRZ6 )

18:35:40 trinque: http://dpaste.com/2N3RCW3.txt << example gen-addr.py, using pybitcointools

18:35:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZs5Qa )

18:36:14 trinque: I'll probably write my own eventually so to not rely on a 3rd party module, but works fine

18:37:07 trinque: http://deedbot.org/deed-372589-1.txt << example deed URL; this bundle had two total

18:37:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZsbqU )

18:37:19 trinque: all previous URL schemes will continue to work.

18:38:48 ben_vulpes: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/know-your-language-c-rules-everything-around-me-part-one

18:38:49 assbot: Know Your Language: C Rules Everything Around Me (Part One) | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZsj9L )

18:40:35 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261766 << The Bible has the best rules. I would much rather live in a kingdom that enforced Old Testement law on its citizens

18:40:35 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:08:37; trinque: phf: I can see that point, but I see the problem as a matter of what rules are imposed, not that they are imposed.

18:41:13 ascii_field: danielpbarron: before you move there, verify that none of your clothing is made of mixed fiber...

18:41:55 danielpbarron: well I'm not a Levite so..

18:42:02 ascii_field: could prove embarrassing, to be stoned to death in the public square for such a rookie mistake

18:42:20 danielpbarron: I should be stoned to death for adultery

18:42:26 danielpbarron: so that bridge is already crossed

18:42:42 ascii_field: iirc that one can already be arranged in a few places

18:42:47 ascii_field: make an appointment

18:42:50 danielpbarron: I'd happily be the first stoned in the newly formed Christian kingdom

18:43:54 trinque: danielpbarron: I would approve of a sensible set of rules imposed in small (say city-sized) geographic areas, not necessarily Old Testament.

18:44:05 trinque: common people left to their own devices have no idea how to live.

18:44:06 danielpbarron: the places that execute adulterers also forbid actually practicing Christianity -- not allowed to say that Islam is a false religion that leads millions to hell

18:49:06 kakobrekla: l0l

18:51:45 shinohai: I propose that reps from all major world religions duke it out in cage match so I know which one to follow.

18:52:25 jurov: danielpbarron: Old Toastament != Christian

18:53:52 jurov: you want orthodox judaism... and not sure one can actually convert to

18:59:06 shinohai: !up ascii_field

18:59:39 jurov: And it shall come to pass as it was written "Leviticus 20:13 If a man lays with another man, he should be stoned" - that marijuana and gay merriage were legalized on the same day

18:59:39 shinohai: If God wanted me to worship him, surely he would send me an email or something.

18:59:49 shinohai: ^

19:00:22 jurov: shinohai: check your spam folder

19:00:32 jurov: He wishes to improve your manhood!

19:01:05 *: shinohai checks spam folder, pants ...

19:02:26 shinohai: I'll make a 1GOD vanitygen address. If 1 BTC magically appears on it then there's my proof.

19:02:45 jurov: that won't be magical

19:03:04 shinohai: I would do 1Jehovah but that would take too long to mine.

19:03:36 jurov: magical would be if you made 1IAcceptJesusAsMyL0rd14527 , received btc there and were able to spend it :)

19:03:40 ascii_field: reminds me of a suspicion i've had,

19:04:05 shinohai: lol jurov

19:04:18 ascii_field: that if hugh everett were alive today, he might build a machine that tests rng output for being the privkey to a fat btc balance, and shoots him in the head if it fails

19:04:51 ascii_field: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266081

19:04:51 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 01:33:39; mircea_popescu: they're just numerous and don't give a fuck.

19:05:26 jurov: yes, had in mind to check linux /dev/urandom without any entropy source in such a way

19:06:41 ascii_field: if everett's picture of consciousness were to turn out physically real, he would remain alive and obscenely loaded in the branch where the bits resolved to the key.

19:07:35 Naphex: XOtika.tv report (for the interested): Opened for 3 months, 43.6588 BTC total tipped. 3 BTC the largest single tip; 28348 sessions started, 563 members registered, 263 channels created. 0.7751 BTC payout towards affiliates.

19:09:01 jurov: Naphex: aiming for mpex ipo?

19:09:19 jurov: !t m S.XOTI

19:09:19 assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?

19:09:39 Naphex: jurov: yep

19:09:50 Naphex: want to build the user base and product more

19:10:00 Naphex: before

19:11:13 ascii_field: https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-September/009048.html << now i see what mircea_popescu meant, re: gutmann

19:11:14 assbot: Possible crypto backdoor in RFC-2631 Diffie-Hellman Key Agreement Method ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVTzoS )

19:11:21 shinohai: btw if God sends me BTC jurov, I will definitely deposit to coinbr. Divine coin is sure to grow.

19:17:15 ascii_field: http://revolution-news.com/barrett-brown-vs-the-dept-of-justice-defining-the-right-to-link << unrelated.

19:17:16 assbot: Barrett Brown vs. the Dept of Justice – Defining the Right To Link ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVUbef )

19:20:59 thestringpuller: i love how people think the consumer matters

19:30:01 thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3k29is/a_blockchain_speed_of_5227_transactions_per/cuue2nh << this person really believes the consumer matters

19:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18458 @ 0.00074167 = 13.6897 BTC [+] {3}

19:38:08 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com consumer has come to expect

19:38:09 gribble: The mobile "revolution", or what consumers have come to expect on ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-mobile-revolution-or-what-consumers-have-come-to-expect/; What the actual threat of the medicalisation of individuality looks like ...: http://fraudsters.com/what-the-actual-threat-of-the-medicalisation-of-individuality-looks-like; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility on fraudsters (1 more message)

19:38:23 thestringpuller: ;;more

19:38:23 gribble: - A blog by Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/

19:45:41 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:45:53 ascii_field: https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-August/008918.html << poor naive schmuck

19:45:55 assbot: Open Fabs ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHDWrM )

19:48:16 mircea_popescu: trinque nice!

19:50:05 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://i.imgur.com/2xv66Sm.gifv

19:50:06 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lid4VV )

19:51:33 ascii_field: https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-July/008215.html << lulz

19:51:35 assbot: Jim Bell vindicated ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lidfk1 )

20:04:01 funkenstein_: gaming!

20:07:43 punkman: ascii_field: what did Jim Bell do?

20:07:58 ascii_field: punkman: wrote 'assassination politics' essay.

20:08:12 ascii_field: punkman: usg then 'sewed a case' for him and jailed.

20:09:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0007419 = 4.674 BTC [+]

20:10:20 funkenstein_: is there any hope for augur.net?

20:10:30 mircea_popescu: what is augur.net ?

20:10:57 funkenstein_: decentralized prediction market, or so claims

20:11:11 mircea_popescu: none.

20:11:43 funkenstein_: :( well i suppose an act of purest optimism for me to have asked

20:12:01 mircea_popescu: that's not the exact quote :)

20:12:10 mircea_popescu: they're brits, see ? "to have asked in the first place"

20:12:29 funkenstein_: aha thank you

20:12:58 funkenstein_: tell me sir, do you in fact have any decentralized prediction market at all?

20:13:47 funkenstein_: "crowdfund" + glossy website and I didn't look further

20:14:17 mircea_popescu: "market" and "decentralized" go together like "great guy with a great sense of humor that will treat you with the respect you deserve" and "a lot of sex"

20:14:48 funkenstein_: rofl

20:15:26 mircea_popescu: every[one,twerp,clueless derp,idiot,internet dog] thinks this is how it goes. and you hear about it, because [somehow] they have all the time in the world to tell you it is so.

20:16:12 mircea_popescu: otherwise, markets are by definition centralized. this is what they do : they centralize trade. you wish decentralized, stick to barter.

20:16:14 funkenstein_: I have noticed markets are places that people go, rather than vice versa

20:16:32 mircea_popescu: (and the reason there isn't such a thing as "a barter market" should be illuminating for the whole thing)

20:18:31 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:18:47 ascii_field: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8702 << a bit schizo but overall logic is there.

20:18:48 assbot: črypto is finished... and it's about time × (also: 'Balrog' malnet, firsthand view) - cryptostorm's community forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LifQur )

20:19:03 ascii_field: 'Corruptor-Injector Networks'

20:19:43 ascii_field: thing is (and not much of a spoiler) - it reads 100% shannonized.

20:20:36 ascii_field: one of the necessary things a wot will do for the 'cpunks' folks, if they have collectively half a brain, is to weed out the schizos

20:20:57 ascii_field: it is they who are (whether aware of it or not) usg's intellectual shock troops

20:21:02 ascii_field: as per the 'crank bait' thread.

20:24:46 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/tDSX24E.jpg (-__-)

20:24:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ib4Yb3 )

20:25:38 Apocalyptic: shinohai, lol, where is that from ?

20:26:27 shinohai: was browsing imgur. Left me wtf

20:27:23 shinohai: Must be a question on the applied mathematics section of Andrew Miller's bitcoin exam.

20:30:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00074122 = 8.3387 BTC [-]

20:37:24 danielpbarron: jurov> danielpbarron: Old Toastament != Christian << uh.. yes it most certainly is. What is called judaism today is a false religion that split off in rejection of Christ

20:37:58 mike_c: Naphex: congrats! that's a great first few months.

20:38:15 Naphex: mike_c: thanks! you never /msg'd me about that

20:38:56 jurov: hasn't Christ put in place new commandments that makes all the rules in Leviticus (and these were for priests, anyway) obsolete?

20:39:00 mike_c: I did not, sorry. I decided to use a crappy subsitute for the moment, and if things work out then talk to you about getting something better.

20:39:22 Naphex: rgr, well any time

20:42:30 danielpbarron: jurov, salvation is not achieved through strict adherence to the OT law, but it is still good law to enforce

20:46:30 *: BingoBoingo likes mixed fiber cloth too much for danielpbarron land

20:46:37 mats: my mother is on a missionary trip in myanmar

20:47:03 mats: i don't have the heart to tell her she's a tourist

20:47:20 mats: orc sight-seeing

20:49:56 kakobrekla: yeah salvation is achieved by killing infidels.

20:50:16 shinohai: Allah snackbar

20:51:14 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:52:17 danielpbarron: salvation is achieved by believing The Bible, and only God can make you do that

20:52:41 kakobrekla: cause santa said so.

20:52:46 mats: alright, man

20:53:24 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261836 << this is true. Most self-described Christians are on the broad path to hell

20:53:24 assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:41:27; phf: trinque: modern christian position on divorce, on a role of a woman in household, on a role of man in household, on premarital sex, all sham. fundamentally there's no belief in the bible. no first world christian guy would even consider living according to bible in, say, muslim style. so what constitutes badassery? hunting from a back of a pickup, or "i was linebacker 30 years ago"?

20:53:48 kakobrekla: and all self described christians are delusional

20:54:05 mats: shots fired

20:56:36 jurov: 99% of bible material was invented by sumerians and egyptians first, anyway

20:57:02 kakobrekla: NO IT WAS JEEBUS!

20:57:29 kakobrekla: santa did the footnotes tho

20:57:45 Naphex: :D

20:58:19 danielpbarron: santa isn't mentioned in the Bible at all. that and the whole christmas thing are totally wicked abominations. see: http://www.atruechurch.info/christmas.html

20:58:21 assbot: A True Church - Christmas ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUKIJM )

21:00:40 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i heard jesus was born in the summer.

21:01:01 *: danielpbarron shrugs

21:01:16 thestringpuller: “Actually Grandad Christmas is a pagan holiday and Jesus probably hates you for celebrating it.”

21:01:25 thestringpuller: “The truth is Christmas evolved from the Roman holiday Saturnalia, a winter festival where men gave gifts to each other. They also would get drunk, have sex with each other and beat their wives”

21:01:45 ben_vulpes: i'm enjoying watching the bible thumper and windows enthusiast go at each other

21:02:06 mats: am i the windows enthusiast

21:02:11 mats: or is it thestringpuller

21:02:56 ben_vulpes: "if you have to ask" (tm)

21:03:14 jurov: what's surprising on christmas being pagan winter solstice adoption?

21:03:15 mats: you hate me

21:03:31 thestringpuller: that was a quote from "The Boondocks" (tm)

21:04:36 *: mircea_popescu will have to make a 2nd pass on alf's link

21:04:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c where do you see ?

21:07:03 mike_c: mircea_popescu: hm? did you mean me?

21:07:22 mircea_popescu: yeah, wheredja see naphex's first months or wut ?

21:07:36 mike_c: oh, 20 lines up. 43 btc in tips 1st 3 months

21:09:47 mircea_popescu: oh oh. /me gets to reading log.

21:11:03 BingoBoingo: Isn't santa the one who tells Jebus to pick on Steve Job

21:13:38 BingoBoingo: From Nebraska: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24108/

21:13:40 assbot: Feminist research fellow: Put all men 'in some kind of camp' - The College Fix ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUOent )

21:15:54 mircea_popescu: yeah. the some kind of camp is called "the world".

21:16:07 mircea_popescu: and the feminists can get back to the gyneceum any time nao.

21:16:22 trinque: http://www.radfemcollective.org/ << "positively revolting women" ahahahha

21:16:23 assbot: RadFem Collective ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHVYKy )

21:16:34 trinque: what more needs be said?

21:16:58 mircea_popescu: it is kinda lulzy.

21:17:53 jurov: http://imgur.com/x6qYB3J handicraft!!!

21:17:54 assbot: Waste of some geodes seen in a gift shop at Niagara Falls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHWlEJ )

21:19:27 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266584 << can almost smell the sweat reading this. excellent propaganda re: "nothing is beyond our reach"

21:19:27 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 20:18:47; ascii_field: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8702 << a bit schizo but overall logic is there.

21:22:08 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:24:01 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and the feminists can get back to the gyneceum any time nao. << Get with the times. It is called the GynoDome Sponsored by Hoveround Mobility Scooters now.

21:25:51 mircea_popescu: heh mkay.

21:32:34 mircea_popescu: wow check that out, the drawing chick delivered. anyone in europe want to send 100 euros via sepa for me plox ?

21:32:44 mircea_popescu: jurov ? davout ? williamdunne ?

21:36:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, im disqualifying the whole production on the basis of the following quote :

21:36:16 mircea_popescu: " err I mean "searching the web," is enough to turn up some pretty solid knowledge on any imaginable infosec topic, from post-quantum cryptographic systems to gritty OpSec-spy advice, and off to baked-in processor hardware attack models."

21:37:15 mircea_popescu: the fact that they list 3 items, all three being from the list of usg-pretend-issues as opposed to the list of actual issues resolves to my mind the propaganda vs information dilemma. this is in no way related to reality, and entirely the result of how someoine wants reality to appear. any similarities to actual reality being purely coincidental.

21:37:31 mircea_popescu: seriously, not even MENTION the bios, or the hard drive firmware ?

21:38:00 mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure.

21:38:59 mircea_popescu: i'm thus marking cryptostorm as a russia today of another failgroup.

21:41:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266284 << i r lulzed at the "Valued at $25". srsly ? that's what, 1/10000 of yearly rent ? lkulz.

21:41:33 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 04:07:26; pete_dushenski: soon to be mandatory.

21:42:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266302 <<< that's definitely where this is headed.

21:42:38 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 04:42:36; asciilifeform: at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile

21:43:13 mircea_popescu: somehow they don't insure people per-pound, because women are fat. but they want to sell insurance per mile. because the people who drive more also don't hold their knees together in the subway.

21:45:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266327 < :))

21:45:17 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 04:59:50; mats: I thought it would be done two months ago

21:46:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266334 << listen, here's a plan : move to mongolia, or any of the stans. you're close enough to china to acclimate and also in a sane place. rent a chunk of a local dc and do sysadmin for it.

21:46:05 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 05:08:53; mats: jr sysadmin roles mostly

21:46:12 mircea_popescu: you wanna go ?

21:47:05 deedbot-: [fraudsters] The importance of backups, from the other side. - http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/

21:48:21 mats: looks like a good plan. in a few years.

21:48:24 mircea_popescu: https://imgur.com/QC51FZz << dude , the fact that anyone EVEN CONSIDERS using retarded github after something like this...

21:48:28 assbot: [TW: Not tumblr] Github disables repo for use of the word "retard" - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBbnIS )

21:48:43 mircea_popescu: im going to start negrating people for having github stuff.

21:49:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266360 << for the record this is pretty much how a third to a half of "start-ups" get a logo afaik.

21:49:56 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 07:18:40; assbot: I found the AirBnB logo in Trademarks & Symbols of the World published in 1988 - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKj9C1 )

21:51:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266374 << seafaring people discovered new world, collected protons, went home.

21:51:18 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 07:53:01; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265880 <-- i'd love to hear more about this one

21:53:19 funkenstein_: aha

21:54:01 mircea_popescu: for the record, albedo measures reflectivity. below average albedo would mean she's brown. that what you meant ?

21:54:26 funkenstein_: well starfaring peoples might have different motivations and abilities, but I probably shouldn't speculate

21:54:31 funkenstein_: er, I spoke in error

21:54:35 funkenstein_: thanks

21:55:52 funkenstein_: works either way though

21:57:29 TheNewDeal: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250716 I saw this off much too late. I'm typically trying to partially sell out my own positions in profitable/risky bets that I have made

21:57:29 assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 20:45:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TheNewDeal care to make me an offer on https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b18 ? :D

21:57:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266433 << that's just nuts. why no abs ?

21:57:40 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 14:53:35; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266312 << eg me, who drives a car with no antilock brakes and all of the weight in the front

21:58:03 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal so you don't buy, just sell ?

21:58:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266439 << what the fuck is a streamium

21:58:27 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 15:51:13; Naphex: lmao.. so streamium after spamming reddit for months with their angular app. Decide to throw a sissy fit on reddit and play butthurt because of... downvotes :o

21:59:04 TheNewDeal: I may be interested in making offers

21:59:06 mircea_popescu: "In these threads, messages advertising xotika.tv get enormous number of upvotes very fast (way too fast to be legitimate) and the site itself is a fraud - there are a number of different links advertised, for example...:"

21:59:08 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << that's just nuts. why no abs ? << ben_vulpes has a vehicle too old for it

21:59:13 mircea_popescu: oh xotika is a fraud now ?

21:59:32 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah but i mean... that's kinda like the house too old for plumbing.

22:00:11 mircea_popescu: but i lulzed at the "open source decentralized" derp's butthurt.

22:00:20 BingoBoingo: Some houses are too old to economically get plumbing

22:00:22 mircea_popescu: such great sense of humor and stuff, too. whai no success!

22:00:34 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266695 <<< Another shitty cam stream for btc service which never worked.

22:00:34 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:58:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266439 << what the fuck is a streamium

22:01:06 TheNewDeal: i'll pay you .146 for that whole position of 1 BTC @ 65k

22:01:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them.\

22:01:26 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 16:47:09; ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al: i have been searching, in vain, for a means to contact stoutemyer. seems like he's gone full-bore knuth and has no published means of contact at all...

22:01:27 TheNewDeal: gotta be jewish though, I've already taken the other side

22:02:08 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i actually like it > 1 btc.

22:02:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266460 << this is actually sensible, yes.

22:02:40 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 16:54:55; ascii_field: very doubtful that anything will come of it, but at present time no one, afaik, has so much as asked them.

22:03:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266473 << do that first form now on. best habit you could form for your future hapiness. sig verify goes first.

22:03:29 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 17:19:43; Apocalyptic: I will proceed to verify the sig

22:04:50 TheNewDeal: I'm just going to ride it out, right now I'm getting paid out of the bet ends No

22:05:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266506 <<< wow, picking up blondies at porcfest works that well, huh.

22:05:21 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 18:42:26; danielpbarron: so that bridge is already crossed

22:07:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266534 << the final population of the universe is thus one. just, not the same one across the multiverses.

22:07:42 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 19:06:41; ascii_field: if everett's picture of consciousness were to turn out physically real, he would remain alive and obscenely loaded in the branch where the bits resolved to the key.

22:08:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266539 << i can see it.

22:08:11 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 19:09:39; Naphex: jurov: yep

22:09:18 cazalla: i thought it was only adultery if you are married

22:10:43 mircea_popescu: no. adultery is when you are fucking other than your wife.

22:10:59 cazalla: danielpbarron is married?

22:11:08 mircea_popescu: no, hence his conclusion.

22:16:48 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: who knows what 0days lurk in the abs controller.

22:17:09 ben_vulpes: this car has no (zero!) robots in between me and the wheels.

22:17:15 ben_vulpes: i forgot this the other day.

22:31:34 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:32:05 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266659 << lol didja miss the part where i said it is a shannonized output ?

22:32:05 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:36:14; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, im disqualifying the whole production on the basis of the following quote :

22:32:41 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266672 << mongolia has what, tcp-over-dead-goat modem ?

22:32:41 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:46:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266334 << listen, here's a plan : move to mongolia, or any of the stans. you're close enough to china to acclimate and also in a sane place. rent a chunk of a local dc and do sysadmin for it.

22:33:33 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266708 << i don't know for a fact that s. is alive

22:33:33 assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 22:01:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them.\

22:35:16 punkman: http://www.legbacore.com/

22:35:17 assbot: LegbaCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1NowuhV )

22:35:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess i must have.

22:37:17 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller gotta love it whgen you try to explain a few points to a redditard and he comes back with pure "i don't want to think!!!" on a stick.

22:38:46 TheNewDeal: !down

22:38:51 TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal

22:45:49 *: BingoBoingo has a few million satoshis on Venus to beat Serena. It's been a while, so might as well try this again to remind myself why I stopped.

22:59:39 deedbot-: [Qntra] Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa - http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/

23:07:06 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, wise words, indeed I should have

23:18:36 ben_vulpes: mats: why do you think i hate you?

23:19:58 ben_vulpes: do you think that i hate danielpbarron?

23:21:58 danielpbarron: cazalla> danielpbarron is married? << lol no. Adultery is when a woman sleeps with a man who isn't her husband

23:22:38 mats: ben_vulpes: just joking.

23:23:07 shinohai: danielpbarron be unmarried, that would be *fornication*

23:25:56 ben_vulpes: more baffled than anything some days, mats.

23:26:05 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> wow, picking up blondies at porcfest works that well, huh. << hah. I was referring to my past when I didn't yet believe in The Bible

23:26:06 ben_vulpes: specially the winblet line - that really blew my stack

23:26:52 mats: winblet?

23:30:30 danielpbarron: shinohai, the key is that the chicks had already been with other dudes who they then should have married. To be honest, I'm not sure if it counts as adultery or not.

23:32:29 trinque: danielpbarron: my reading of the thing suggests that's more or less the rule

23:32:38 trinque: fuck a virgin; you're supposed to marry her

23:33:17 trinque: but it does seem to lean heavily on whatever the commonly held ideas at the time were re: sex

23:34:57 danielpbarron: it's the right thing to do, to offer the ex-virgin's father payment for her hand in marriage

23:36:03 ben_vulpes: eh, just pay for the children.

23:36:13 danielpbarron: another key point is that it is never the virgin who is the victim; it's either her father or her husband. So the modern notion of "cheating" does not apply. It's not adultery for a married man to have sex with another woman so long as she isn't also married to another man

23:36:17 ben_vulpes: convenient solution is available if you take the girl and her kids

23:36:38 ben_vulpes: but what about the girls' agency, danielpbarron?!!!1ONE!?

23:36:44 danielpbarron: no such thing

23:38:58 shinohai: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/541121/allegations-of-dirty-tricks-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters/ <<< kek

23:38:59 assbot: Supporters of a Proposal to Upgrade Bitcoin’s Capacity Say Their Computers Are Being Attacked | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMmHDR )

23:39:12 trinque: dirty tricks!

23:39:23 trinque: shinohai: MIT Tech Review are known scum.

23:39:38 trinque: they have been shilling for Gavin/Hearn and XT since the beginning

23:39:52 trinque: !s from:trinque technologyreview.com

23:39:53 assbot: 0 results for 'from:trinque technologyreview.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Atrinque+technologyreview.com

23:39:58 shinohai: I know, more sour grapes from that camp :D

23:40:24 trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-08-2015#1255085

23:40:24 assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 23:49:32; trinque: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << front page, MIT Tech Review are scum.

23:40:29 trinque: search is a turd

23:41:19 shinohai: The XT camps released their experimental binaries with the "stealth" feature today. Everyone is gushing over that atm.

23:41:37 trinque: shinohai: aka they can lie about their numbers now?

23:42:06 shinohai: That or just flat-out lie about what client they are.

23:42:25 trinque: I mean, the XT scumbags can lie about how many are in-field

23:42:41 shinohai: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/releases/tag/v0.11B

23:44:20 shinohai: wait, binary announcement was yesterday: https://redd.it/3jzylu

23:44:22 assbot: Please help test 0.11B pre-release binaries (linux64 only for now) : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoBwev )

23:46:46 trinque: ahaha, anyone who runs that deserves what they get

23:46:49 trinque: binary releases..

23:47:36 shinohai: Don't even bother to sign them :/

23:50:18 trinque: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1008074 << old thread relevant to >> http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/

23:50:18 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 07:16:33; trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in

23:50:19 assbot: Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMnHYs )

23:51:36 trinque: heh bitcoinctl incoming

23:54:12 midnightmagic: I think they do sign them: https://github.com/bitcoinxt/gitian.sigs

23:54:13 assbot: bitcoinxt/gitian.sigs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoCA1J )

23:57:19 shinohai: I meant the precompiled binary they threw up on reddit midnightmagic

23:58:50 trinque: I'm plainly accusing Hearn of not being above putting something malicious in a binary, aside from the gunk they're putting in the source.