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00:00:22 thickasthieves: even better, send one ATC

00:00:42 thickasthieves: nodecoin

00:00:45 thickasthieves: i dunno

00:02:05 danielpbarron: thickasthieves, i had that idea too

00:02:29 danielpbarron: simple html form with a text blob and submit button

00:02:38 danielpbarron: paste raw tx hex

00:02:50 thickasthieves: i kinda wonder if this might be an actual use for an altcoin though

00:02:59 thickasthieves: that way there is a symbiosis

00:03:08 danielpbarron: if no node fee, tx is ignored

00:03:48 thickasthieves: you could even charge by the size

00:04:10 DanielKrawisz: Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.

00:04:25 thickasthieves: but you dont need to fork bitcoin or whatever to do it

00:04:27 thickasthieves: just do it

00:11:12 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate napedia 5 I know where he lives. A right and honorable denizen of the net

00:11:13 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user napedia has been recorded.

00:17:55 danielpbarron: this is like a gpg key signing party, only it's not pointless

00:18:04 bitstein: ;;rate napedia 5 ATX BTC Meetup - Very privileged

00:18:05 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user napedia has changed from 6 to 5.

00:19:43 bitstein: ;;rate pierre_rochard 5 Crypto-Seneca of SNI

00:19:44 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pierre_rochard has changed from 8 to 5.

00:26:00 bitstein: ;;rate danielkrawisz 5 Maharishi of SNI

00:26:48 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

00:28:37 danielpbarron: you don't have to reconnect to re-auth

00:29:09 danielpbarron: now you gone lost yer voice

00:29:39 princessnell: atx is repping strong 2nite

00:30:17 bitstein: ATX is the Vienna of Crypto-Anarchy

00:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00074402 = 8.3702 BTC [-] {2}

00:39:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38343 @ 0.00074227 = 28.4609 BTC [-] {3}

00:50:42 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/01/why-hasnt-the-u-s-closed-its-airports-to-travelers-from-ebola-ravaged-countries << mega-lol. nato world tired of living?

00:50:43 assbot: Why hasn’t the U.S. closed its airports to travelers from Ebola-ravaged countries? - The Washington Post

01:27:56 decimation: asciilifeform: it's more important to cater to democrat votebanks than to protect the general population from ebola

01:31:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.14999998 = 1.05 BTC [+] {2}

01:31:59 decimation: dub: assets is gop sponsored chan << quote from gigantic comment thread in the red/blue post: "You shouldn’t be worried more people of the Red Tribe will start voting for Republicans, Republicans are your best friends, they pacify the Red Tribe. You should be worried when they stop voting Republican and your civil society fractures."

01:46:14 decimation: http://flowingdata.com/2014/02/05/where-people-run/ << wow, no one jogs through anacostia, I'm shocked

01:46:14 assbot: Where People Run in Major Cities

01:47:20 decimation: in 1918 usg policy was to stop border transit in case of disease: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/10/disaster-in-the-south-pacific/

01:47:21 assbot: Disaster in the South Pacific « Isegoria

01:50:46 mats_cd03: public health policy in the us is good enough to handle ebola

01:51:28 decimation: ebola is ok for you

01:52:12 mats_cd03: id live

01:52:40 mats_cd03: sounds like excellent population control

01:53:14 asciilifeform: mats_cd03: in exactly the same way amputation is good weight control

01:53:31 asciilifeform: 'lose weight, shed limbs!' < how i always read the spam slogan 'lose weight, shed lbs'

01:54:37 TheNewDeal: I don't want to lose that much!

01:58:30 mats_cd03: well its not like youll get america to eat salad instead of burgers

01:59:19 TheNewDeal: Speaking of which, I was eating a salad in front of a colleague, and he decided to be healthy he was going to not eat the bun on his burger

01:59:26 TheNewDeal: I consider that a decent step forward

02:04:32 TheNewDeal: but then again the salads at most places in the US aren't even healthy themselves. Covered with cheese, think mayo based "dressing," and a bunch of crutons

02:19:54 mats_cd03: call me when you get him to trade the patty for gluten

02:24:17 asciilifeform: mr. ebama - spreading obola.

02:26:27 dub: decimation: I don't really consider teh US as having a political system

02:28:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.00003943 = 0.5915 BTC [-] {5}

02:28:50 decimation: dub: at best it is a one party system

02:28:51 dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd

02:29:37 decimation: Mr. Hand also guides the opposition into safe pasture

02:29:54 dub: liberal and conservate don't mean anything more than libertarian does

02:30:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 22257 @ 0.00003613 = 0.8041 BTC [-] {18}

02:30:21 TheNewDeal: they're somewhat descriptive filters, especially when considering usian politics

02:30:39 TheNewDeal: not ideal, but they at least serve some purpose

02:30:45 decimation: those words are quite meaningful and apply broadly

02:31:25 decimation: it's just that the parties to which those labels are applied rarely act in any other way than the status quo

02:31:29 TheNewDeal: I do agree with the US being a one party though

02:31:51 decimation: lol

02:32:07 *: decimation is known as eth5434356475907977648659

02:32:20 TheNewDeal: nice

02:32:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 70000 @ 0.00003081 = 2.1567 BTC [-] {18}

02:35:43 asciilifeform: eth3 << lol!

02:36:38 decimation: actually the democrats/republicans are quite distinguishable and serve different purposes

02:36:39 dub: has your air gap failed?

02:37:06 decimation: democrats attempt to get more free stuff from productive people to their interested constituencies

02:37:08 asciilifeform: incidentally, that crap gets magicked away when you zap 'udev' (actually, the name - under modern gentoo - now refers to a satanic udev-systemd - and replace with 'eudev'.

02:37:15 asciilifeform: (at least on the box in question)

02:37:46 TheNewDeal: decimation , many conservatives do this as well

02:37:49 decimation: republicans quell dissent by speaking against further handouts in public and in private slowrolling/diverting handouts to their own feeble interests

02:39:34 decimation: asciilifeform: I was going to make this point yesterday: you drive a stake in the heart of systemd because you prefer... bash?

02:39:58 asciilifeform: prefer bash ?

02:40:06 decimation: classic init

02:40:32 asciilifeform: i prefer a goose feather pen and ink from tree bark - if that is the only way to be rid of poettering.

02:40:48 *: asciilifeform does not buy forced dichotomy here

02:41:10 decimation: my point being that bash's shaky foundation has recently been revealed

02:41:36 decimation: that being said, I agree that init.d has way more miles than whatever craziness poettering is pushing

02:41:57 decimation: in either case, modern computing sucks

02:42:21 dub: ah yes, udev was the thing

02:42:46 asciilifeform: 'the hunchback will be straightened by his grave.' (ru. saying.)

02:42:55 decimation: hehe

02:43:13 decimation: so eudev restores the sane default of eth#

02:44:01 asciilifeform: actually atm not 100% sure if it's eudev, or patch to config of original (satanic) variant

02:44:11 asciilifeform: anyone who gives a damn, invited to test the question.

02:44:20 asciilifeform: (anyone other than me?...)

02:44:36 dub: bit me hard back when rolling my own routers made sense, suddenly no way to predict which if was what on boot

02:44:43 decimation: googling around, I find many bewildered sysadmins who care

02:44:57 dub: !up jayk

02:45:06 *: asciilifeform wishes he had time to investigate why manual described 'eudev' as 'a fork of system-udev'

02:45:16 dub: someone?

02:45:31 decimation: as I wrote yesterday, one can always write a script to explore /sys/ if one wishes to understand how their devices are laid out

02:45:47 asciilifeform: dub: rolling own routers makes sense now. and even more sense yesterday.

02:46:12 decimation: I remember running a nat on my old 486 with slackware

02:47:06 kakobrekla: !up jayk ?

02:50:40 decimation: princessnell: how goes the blogging these days?

03:01:42 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu a modern u.s. schoolboy may or may not get references like 'tammany bees' - sure.

03:01:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:27:10 mircea_popescu: more to it than that asciilifeform :D

03:29:20 mircea_popescu: !up jayk

03:29:24 jayk: ty

03:29:32 mircea_popescu: sure.

03:38:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: down for a minute and i get complaints. << depending on the recipient's age, going down for one minute may be all it takes.

03:40:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i wouldnt give 10 to my mother << you don't know her like we do :D

03:43:41 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Daniel_Krawisz http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer?s confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four."

03:43:42 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:43:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:44:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD

03:47:26 mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz: Me neither. I would rather see the block size go up. If that creates a crisis of not enough full notes, then people are going to do something about that pretty quick I'd guess. <<< yeah, sure they will. specifically, sink the bitcoin lite resulting from the fork and sticking to the original.

03:48:39 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: excuse my ignorance, but cant the node cost problem be solved simply by running pay-node businesses? << zipf problem.

03:53:28 mircea_popescu: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-29533 << gotta appreciate usgavin's dedication

03:53:29 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

03:53:43 mircea_popescu: he's almost ninjashogun level, the way he goes everywhere, trying a pass or two of the same spun content.

03:56:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mega-lol. nato world tired of living? << from what i gather a little bit of epidemic doesn't look so bad up top. nice profits for pharma, might even get the country outta recession.

03:59:06 asciilifeform: naturally.

04:00:14 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: I consider that a decent step forward << lol gotta work

04:01:20 mircea_popescu: dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd << emperors my foot. pretty much all the president can do is mispronounce for the camera and be made a laughingstock of.

04:01:43 mircea_popescu: i think the last guy that tried to do anything substantial was reagan. maybe nixon.

04:04:33 mircea_popescu: ahh all caught up. it's a nioce feeling

04:04:35 mircea_popescu: !up nara__narayana

04:18:18 nara__narayana: well hello

04:18:36 nara__narayana: http://www.naturalnews.com/046290_Ebola_patent_vaccines_profit_motive.html#

04:18:37 assbot: Why does the CDC own a patent on Ebola 'invention?' - NaturalNews.com

04:18:48 nara__narayana: you guys seen this yet?

04:19:07 mircea_popescu: nope

04:19:40 nara__narayana: kewl

04:21:59 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOK5pon8-Ok << no eng. subs for the inglischers unfortunately. but still educational.

04:21:59 assbot: . . - YouTube

04:22:11 asciilifeform: (storm of donetsk airport)

04:23:40 nara__narayana: key flux point

04:24:32 nara__narayana: just learned today that assad and ISIL/ISIS/TNEX are pretty closely tied

04:24:38 nara__narayana: so that's pretty chill

04:26:23 mircea_popescu: doh

04:26:43 mircea_popescu: proxy wars to the death, over there.

04:27:46 nara__narayana: mhm

04:27:54 PeterL: asciilifeform: which side are the soldiers in the video?

04:27:59 asciilifeform: interesting that everyone pictured is firing semi-auto

04:28:10 asciilifeform: PeterL: ru

04:28:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "allegedly" :p

04:28:55 PeterL: Isn't it generally accepted that semi-auto is more effective?

04:28:58 mircea_popescu: ]This video may be inappropriate for some users.

04:29:01 asciilifeform: a number are wearing soviet-era regalia/medals (grandfather's ?)

04:29:01 mircea_popescu: meh.

04:29:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik the stuff is traded widely among active duty men.

04:29:34 mircea_popescu: sort-of like in a sports team. lucky charms and all that

04:29:37 asciilifeform: traded widely among - everybody

04:29:48 *: asciilifeform played with big tub of these as a boy

04:30:44 mircea_popescu: i never really care, except i bought the yugo equivalent of the purple heart from a lame guy once and wore it to a politico party to make ap oint

04:30:50 mircea_popescu: cared*

04:31:00 asciilifeform: lol!

04:31:14 asciilifeform: point was made ?

04:31:40 mircea_popescu: "see this ? guess which limb i'm missing, mr x?" "uhh" "the shame. just like you."

04:31:55 nara__narayana: yes

04:32:41 mircea_popescu: nara__narayana so who're you anyway ?

04:33:49 nara__narayana: myself

04:34:14 nara__narayana: just roaming around america atm

04:34:33 decimation: asciilifeform: I got that u-blox neo-7n module running, now to use pps signal to discipline that ocxo card

04:34:34 nara__narayana: crypto+mobile tech has allowed be to do this thank god

04:34:46 asciilifeform: ocxo?

04:35:09 decimation: the pci card off of ebay I linked awhile back. $3k golden toliet price, I paid 100

04:35:17 asciilifeform: aha

04:35:30 decimation: !up nara__narayana

04:36:48 nara__narayana: who's seeing the blood moon?

04:38:53 asciilifeform: 16:40 mark - fellow explains why ropes on stiff's feet (own side) - tied, to pull him a bit from a distance, see if 'surprise underneath'

04:39:18 asciilifeform: (ancient favourite trick, if anyone didn't know it)

04:39:34 asciilifeform: incidentally

04:39:45 asciilifeform: i kept wondering, for months, when 'hot' machines from Pripyat will turn up

04:39:50 asciilifeform: word is - this has happened.

04:40:04 asciilifeform: ('graveyard' was full of perfectly good mothballed tech)

04:41:01 nara__narayana: what will be gotten from said tech?

04:41:21 asciilifeform: perfectly good machines - tanks, trucks, etc

04:41:38 asciilifeform: just a little bit of reactor crud in them.

04:41:44 asciilifeform: circa '86.

04:42:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're not that hot anymore anyway

04:42:39 mircea_popescu: been what, 20 years.

04:42:44 asciilifeform: inside.

04:42:44 mircea_popescu: 30 even

04:43:15 nara__narayana: antifragile radiation bruh

04:43:59 nara__narayana: who doesn't need their daily dose of radioactive decay?

04:43:59 decimation: eh, it's pretty easy to clean up fallout

04:44:09 decimation: just wash it down well, you're good

04:44:34 decimation: people get their panties in a bind about radiation, it's everywhere in varying amount

04:44:39 mircea_popescu: decimation 30 years' rains, bout done by now.

04:44:45 mircea_popescu: !up deadalus

04:44:54 asciilifeform: doesn't rain inside the box

04:44:55 decimation: yeah, depends where it was and how much plutonium stuck to it

04:45:11 decimation: apparently plutonium is extremely sticky from what I've heard

04:46:08 decimation: !up mpmcsweeney

04:46:39 *: mpmcsweeney tips his hat

04:47:42 mircea_popescu: how goes.

04:47:54 mircea_popescu: decimation iodine was most of the fallout

04:48:04 mircea_popescu: actual plutonium is quite rarely a contaminant

04:48:16 nara__narayana: lol apparentyl im not kidding http://mic.com/articles/88483/something-surprising-happened-to-the-animals-around-chernobyl-28-years-after-the-disaster

04:48:16 assbot: Something Surprising Happened to the Animals Around Chernobyl 28 Years After the Disaster - Mic

04:48:29 decimation: yeah that's not so good, take your iodine pills to keep it out of your endocrine system

04:49:08 decimation: pretty much everything lower than Pu in the atomic table is present to some degree inside a fission reactor

04:50:07 mircea_popescu: well if the reaction runs away... pretty much everything forms.

04:50:15 decimation: the main problem is the stuff that decays slowly, but on the upside it decays slowly - less intense radiation

04:50:17 mircea_popescu: there's probably stuff all the way to 230 in there.

04:50:20 mircea_popescu: course it doesnt live long

04:50:40 decimation: that was the point of the 'cold war shelter' - live in a box until the really hot stuff rots away and then come out in relative safety

04:50:52 asciilifeform: washes away.

04:50:58 decimation: heh yeah that too

04:51:06 mircea_popescu: yeah, more wash than decay really.

04:51:08 asciilifeform: not 'too' - mostly.

04:51:30 decimation: I would believe that. The main problem is gonna be stuff that gets taken up in plants over the long term

04:51:46 asciilifeform: the ~30yr. half lives of sr-90 and cs-137 are just that

04:51:49 asciilifeform: half-lives.

04:51:56 asciilifeform: not one-$maxint-th lives.

04:52:00 mircea_popescu: but anyway, for living things the problem is mostly their own metabolism. radioactive iodine is not distinguished from plain iodine ends up in endocrine system. strontium is, as far as the body is concerned, perfectly good calcium. so on.

04:52:11 decimation: indeed.

04:52:31 decimation: but that isn't gonna end humanity, just raise the probability of certain cancers

04:53:38 asciilifeform: more interesting than the birds and wolves - are the very old women (mostly women) who still live there.

04:53:58 nara__narayana: marrow?

04:54:01 asciilifeform: there's something like a few dozen left.

04:54:12 decimation: I saw a show about it once, I think there is still a stubborn russian orthodox church open there too

04:54:16 *: asciilifeform did not go and count, relies on rumour

04:54:20 PeterL: their breeding the X-men in there!

04:54:28 PeterL: they're

04:54:56 mircea_popescu: wasn't there some nutty motorcycle chick that kept sneaking in for a while ?

04:55:06 asciilifeform: afaik proven cribbed.

04:55:06 nara__narayana: http://thebabushkasofchernobyl.com/ \\ lolll omg

04:55:06 assbot: The Babushkas of Chernobyl | A story of three unlikely heroines from the most toxic place on Earth

04:55:12 asciilifeform: (from other folks)

04:55:24 decimation: lol 'most toxic place on earth'

04:55:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00074399 = 3.3108 BTC [+]

04:56:01 decimation: I suspect that the nasty emissions that blot the sun from the sky in china do 'more harm', however you want to measure

04:56:20 asciilifeform: if you stay out of the buildings (not everyone can resist temptation to teleport into a nearly intact soviet childhood) it's clean. cleaner than a good chunk of the 'civilized' world.

04:57:52 decimation: one wonders what ukraine would be like today if the nazis managed to survive in some fashion

04:58:03 asciilifeform: lol

04:58:11 asciilifeform: they survived in a little nature preserve - there.

04:58:16 asciilifeform: go and say hello to them.

04:58:18 nara__narayana: oh they certainly did

04:58:31 decimation: hehe you mean the crazy 'ukrainian nationalists'?

04:58:36 asciilifeform: nope

04:58:40 asciilifeform: or rather, yes

04:58:46 asciilifeform: though they don't call themselves that

04:59:03 nara__narayana: what minds do you think the US harvested for their rocket progammes?

04:59:03 asciilifeform: (they are in the process of adopting english as an official language. so, go ask them what they're called.)

04:59:49 decimation: I guess what I mean by 'nazi' is 'europe as a world power' instead of 'europe as us disneyland'

05:00:01 asciilifeform: lol

05:00:07 asciilifeform: afaik those are dead, like dodo.

05:00:09 mircea_popescu: it wouldn't have been in any sense europe.

05:00:30 nara__narayana: lol

05:00:30 mircea_popescu: now, had the austro-hungarians actually defeated the nasty side of germans, then yes, europe as world power.

05:00:45 mircea_popescu: but ironically, i think by now it'd have looked exactly like us

05:00:59 decimation: that is an even more interesting thought.

05:01:20 nara__narayana: my grandfather still complains about the Hungarian population of peoples geographically stuck in Transylvania

05:01:41 asciilifeform: stuck?

05:01:43 decimation: yeah, I strongly doubt that the austro-hungarians would have resisted the 'democracy' derpage

05:01:54 asciilifeform: they're chained to walls, or what ?

05:02:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.

05:02:11 decimation: they were sat upon stakes

05:02:18 mircea_popescu: the womenz married to romanians won't live, the boys fdesperately in love wiht the womenz...

05:02:29 nara__narayana: idk, hungary in particular has a unique culture

05:02:30 mircea_popescu: you know how it is.

05:02:46 mircea_popescu: nara__narayana quite particular. for 100 years straight the highest suicide rate in europe

05:03:17 mircea_popescu: back in 1980 the big news was that east germany became the 2nd highest (after hungary, everyone shook shoulders- of course after hungary)

05:03:18 asciilifeform: depends on what's a suicide and where europe is.

05:03:18 nara__narayana: geopolitical boundaries, asci

05:03:27 decimation: probably because it's depressing as fuck to know that your culture is on the permanent wane

05:03:40 mircea_popescu: decimation doesn't seem to affect the scots

05:03:51 asciilifeform: i.e. does death by no, fi, ru - rotgut - count as a suicide?

05:03:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah actually, > russia.

05:04:03 mircea_popescu: hahaha no.

05:04:04 decimation: their culture died in 1745

05:04:49 nara__narayana: mircea_popescu funny you mention that, cousin committed suicide just recently

05:04:57 mircea_popescu: well maybe not that funny

05:06:03 decimation: !up nara__narayana

05:06:49 nara__narayana: genes are powerful i supose

05:06:59 decimation: when I was last in europe (london) I got the depressing feeling that the shells of the historic buildings were being occupied by squatters unworthy of their inheritance

05:07:17 mircea_popescu: you know i tend to think the exact same ?

05:07:36 mircea_popescu: started in egypt, this. spent a day in the museum surrounded by tall, lithe, elegant nosed people

05:07:40 asciilifeform: as if it were otherwise in old-time usa

05:07:45 mircea_popescu: go into the street, short bug-like big nosed arab orcs

05:07:47 mircea_popescu: wtf.

05:07:51 asciilifeform: (even when the colours match)

05:07:54 decimation: yeah I got the same feeling in boston

05:07:58 dub: who is curernt holder of teh title?

05:08:46 mircea_popescu: which

05:09:16 *: asciilifeform vaguely recalls turnbull having claimed that the Ik are in fact ancient egyptians. or was this in a bad dream ?

05:09:17 dub: most likely to succeed, at suicide

05:09:21 nara__narayana: the nose knows

05:09:45 asciilifeform: (genealogically)

05:09:56 decimation: it motivates me to visit Liechtenstein one day, it's probably the closest the world has to an actual historical form of functional government

05:10:15 decimation: although it's probably been ruined by derpy swiss

05:10:16 nara__narayana: care to elaborate why?

05:10:16 mircea_popescu: uh

05:10:22 mircea_popescu: yea srsly, how you figued ?

05:10:33 asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.'

05:10:53 nara__narayana: swiss lol

05:11:49 nara__narayana: jk those bankers fucking got it made

05:12:19 decimation: nara__narayana: not really, who wants to bank in switzerland when they will divulge your banking to anyone who asks?

05:13:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00074444 = 5.2483 BTC [+] {2}

05:13:20 decimation: this is mainly why I classify it as slightly different http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18649156

05:13:20 assbot: BBC News - Liechtenstein referendum rejects curbs on royal powers

05:14:36 nara__narayana: i was under the impression that switzerland was a banking hub due to many circumstances, both political and geographical

05:15:03 nara__narayana: but whatev, what do i know?

05:15:30 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2014#857910

05:15:31 assbot: Logged on 04-10-2014 02:47:05; mircea_popescu: but anyway, only someone who had physically visited switzerland cca say 1994 can appreciate the immensity of the drop

05:17:17 nara__narayana: kk thanks

05:21:33 decimation: http://sprottmoneyblog.com/switzerland-to-take-back-its-gold/

05:21:34 assbot: Switzerland to Take Back Its Gold? | Sprott Money Blog

05:24:52 mircea_popescu: i keep getting requests from derps to delete this or that bit from fraudsters as if this were somehow a matter of course

05:24:56 mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people.

05:25:22 PeterL: they think you are hurting their feelings?

05:25:24 Duffer1: delete?

05:25:26 mircea_popescu: sooooo....

05:25:46 nara__narayana: i <3 censorship

05:25:53 nara__narayana: http://online.wsj.com/articles/swiss-national-bank-reaffirms-currency-floor-maintains-rate-1411027953

05:25:53 assbot: Swiss National Bank Reaffirms Currency Floor, Maintains Rate - WSJ

05:26:04 mircea_popescu: forget censorship even, that's something for the powerful

05:26:20 mircea_popescu: these are just... random nobody. figures he can write to people who he doesn't know, and tell them what to do

05:26:30 mircea_popescu: fucking broken society, nobody has any idea of their place anymore

05:26:30 nara__narayana: bank doesn't want value of currency to trise for some reason

05:26:37 nara__narayana: liquidity concerns?

05:27:28 nara__narayana: plebeians gonna pleb

05:29:33 mircea_popescu: "o, someone important wrote something i don't like about me ? i know, i will CHANGE so that i'm no longer like that!11"

05:29:49 mircea_popescu: too fucking hard. how about instead... ask them to delete it. should work o.o

05:32:21 decimation: as if you can delete anything on the internet anyway

05:32:39 nara__narayana: status is such a currency right now, most people are blinded by veneer

05:32:48 nara__narayana: *now

05:32:55 nara__narayana: i guess it always has been

05:33:48 nara__narayana: aesthetic should be self-similar to content

05:35:55 nara__narayana: it's been a pleasure, see you guys later

06:00:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11538 @ 0.0007461 = 8.6085 BTC [+] {2}

06:09:46 decimation: ;;ticker

06:09:48 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 329.7, Best ask: 330.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 330.47, 24 hour volume: 22932.71045831, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 335.01, 24 hour vwap: 326.354768788

06:13:48 TheNewDeal: bc,stats

06:13:53 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

06:13:56 gribble: Current Blocks: 324372 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 203 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 18 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35298088650.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.8368

06:14:38 Vexual: ;;later tell cazalla http://www.startupsmart.com.au/growth/bitcoin-startups-get-their-own-co-working-space/2014100813382.html

06:14:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:49:55 TheNewDeal: decimation: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ Should have been red, blue, and white tribes... duh

06:49:58 assbot: I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex

06:53:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.13099999 = 2.62 BTC [-]

06:54:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16160 @ 0.00074337 = 12.0129 BTC [-] {2}

06:58:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 550 @ 0.00149995 = 0.825 BTC [+] {6}

06:59:27 Vexual: TheNewDeal: There are no wise men without idiots.

07:02:00 TheNewDeal: sure there are

07:04:02 TheNewDeal: anyways, author forgoed the opportunity to call the whitest of tribes white, and called them gray. White would have served better to confuse the crowd of readers

07:11:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.' << Maybe not a garden for you, but a garden for mycellium

07:12:50 TheNewDeal: was gavin really commenting on qntra, or is that merely an actor

07:15:58 BingoBoingo: Seems to be actual Gavin

07:16:10 Vexual: You could ask him

07:16:50 TheNewDeal: vexual, are you too sober at this point in time?

07:17:24 Vexual: what am I making sense to you?

07:18:19 TheNewDeal: too many sense

07:19:21 BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/839/a-team-from-california-will-win-the-world/#c4116 << Lol, only one California team left but both Missouri teams remain.

07:19:21 assbot: BitBet - A team from California will win the World Series :: 0.07 B (39%) on Yes, 0.11 B (61%) on No | closing in 2 days 16 hours | weight: 1`695 (100`000 to 1)

07:20:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.01494324 = 0.7472 BTC

07:39:21 BingoBoingo: The Republic of Firestone Tires successfully contains Ebola in its corner of Africa http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/10/06/354054915/firestone-did-what-governments-have-not-stopped-ebola-in-its-tracks

07:39:21 assbot: Firestone Did What Governments Have Not: Stopped Ebola In Its Tracks : Goats and Soda : NPR

07:39:43 Vexual: lol

07:40:21 Vexual: i don't even wanna read that the headline and byline are so good

07:41:05 Vexual: 'firestone being a cheap chinese tyre that vurns as good as any bridgestone, and also goats and soda

07:42:11 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P8AQ5K.txt )

07:42:11 BingoBoingo: !b 5

07:42:11 BingoBoingo: lol

07:44:25 BingoBoingo: http://journals.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=101927

07:44:28 assbot: PsychiatryOnline | The Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences | Ejaculation After Defecation Without Orgasm Induced by Milnacipran

07:45:19 Vexual: bonfires over

07:49:44 Vexual: theres milnacipran in the marshmallows people, everyone out

07:51:23 Vexual: is not a good shit good enough?

07:51:53 Vexual: science gone mad

07:54:32 Vexual: have you seen this BingoBoingo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBC-46

07:55:13 Vexual: apparently it dissappears tumours in days

07:55:48 BingoBoingo: Interesting. Also apparently it keeps the Roos at bay

07:56:05 Vexual: well i think possums dont eat it

07:56:37 Vexual: although im not sure if anyones given them aesophogeal cancer yet

07:57:03 Vexual: qbiotics is still accepting investors i tink

07:57:43 Vexual: do yo uknow anything of the chemistry?

07:58:09 BingoBoingo: Not all too much.

07:58:39 Vexual: any idea on extraction?

07:58:49 Vexual: theres 5 years of black market there

07:58:50 fluffypony: I think I'm going to re-watch Rick & Morty

07:58:51 Vexual: :)

07:59:02 fluffypony: season 2 is too far away

07:59:31 BingoBoingo: There also isn't much that could really be divined looking at such a big small molecular weight molecule

08:00:19 Vexual: if you care to read the paper id be interested

08:00:21 bounce: huh, the usg cannot copyright but it can own patents? bit of a loophole there.

08:01:32 Vexual: bounce copyright and patent are two different concepts

08:01:51 assbot: xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

08:02:02 bounce: !up xiando

08:03:10 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Africa do anything interesting with BTC today?

08:03:20 fluffypony: well we haven't banned it yet

08:04:38 punkman: https://www.mailpile.is/blog/2014-10-07_Some_Thoughts_on_GnuPG.html

08:04:38 assbot: Mailpile: Some thoughts on working with GnuPG

08:06:20 punkman: http://rem.eifzilla.de/archives/2013/07/16/gpg4win-and-the-feds

08:06:20 assbot: Gpg4win and the feds -- Werner's own blurbs

08:10:18 Vexual: what the hell are you making?

08:12:02 BingoBoingo: Having to ship GnuPG binaries to Windows and MacOS users is bad enough, but dependency hell is a place we want to stay out of. If we were writing Mailpile in, say, C or C++, then PGPME would definitely be the library of choice, but we're not, so it isn't. << lulz

08:15:06 BingoBoingo: "These both follow the same output format, according to DETAILS. But look what happens when I add spaces to align the columns:" << Then don't align the fucking columns to make them "look nice"

08:15:11 Vexual: you were reading electum a few days ago

08:15:26 punkman: I'm on to supybot now

08:15:34 Vexual: ahhh

08:15:37 RagnarDanneskjol: which?

08:15:45 punkman: which supybot?

08:15:54 punkman: guess I'm going with Limnoria fork

08:16:06 punkman: maybe nanotube has some advice on this matter

08:16:18 Vexual: i still have no idea what youre doing

08:16:22 punkman: nanotube, should I use Limnoria?

08:16:36 RagnarDanneskjol: which as in whats the project - sorry If i overlooked

08:17:06 punkman: rewriting deedbot and maybe other things

08:17:15 RagnarDanneskjol: OH excellent

08:18:44 Vexual: what does deedbot do?

08:18:57 RagnarDanneskjol: http://deedbot.com

08:18:57 assbot: deedBot

08:19:32 Vexual: i like to read the cover first

08:19:32 RagnarDanneskjol: the guy is mia and never delivered the final code ver so had to have one of my haxor friends break into his server to extract it.. server has more holes than (something with a lot of holes)

08:19:58 punkman: well who wants a PHP hairball anyway

08:20:05 RagnarDanneskjol: xactly

08:21:53 thestringpuller: PHP hairballs are gross

08:21:56 thestringpuller: python ftw

08:22:40 punkman: he did duct-tape the thing pretty quickly, I'll give him that

08:22:49 thestringpuller: at least it works.

08:22:50 thestringpuller: .deed

08:22:55 thestringpuller: >:\

08:23:05 RagnarDanneskjol: needs voice

08:23:20 Vexual: !up deedbot

08:23:32 RagnarDanneskjol: php is what the boss ordered - despite my misgivings

08:24:26 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

08:24:28 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.09, Best ask: 339.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 339.69, 24 hour volume: 20390.99035761, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 342.0, 24 hour vwap: 328.165414436

08:24:46 RagnarDanneskjol: .deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed

08:24:48 deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle

08:24:48 deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle

08:24:48 deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed

08:25:48 thestringpuller: Reddit comments always deliver!

08:25:52 thestringpuller: Yeah I'm not sure this will be so controversial. If miners want BTC to be worth more, then they'll want the network to scale. It's really that simple. And Gavin is obviously trustworthy.

08:28:10 RagnarDanneskjol: yes, quite the pinnacle of enlightened, thoughtful discourse

08:28:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8055 @ 0.00074225 = 5.9788 BTC [-] {2}

08:30:17 punkman: http://g10code.com/steed.html

08:30:17 assbot: g10 Code - STEED

08:31:39 RagnarDanneskjol: Oh. thats neat

08:35:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.13199999 = 2.772 BTC [+]

08:36:29 thestringpuller: Everyone just wants to follow Gavin and the BitcoinFoundation to the edge of the cliff.

08:41:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 58 @ 0.13099999 = 7.598 BTC [-] {2}

08:42:14 punkman: https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/sec99/whitten.html

08:50:06 Vexual: http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-content/photos/000/844/cache/84413_990x742-cb1412615706.jpg

08:52:50 thestringpuller: is that the moon or mars?

08:53:02 RagnarDanneskjol: blood moon tonight

08:53:09 punkman: you'd have noticed it if it was mars

08:53:53 Vexual: thats a likeness of Juscelino Kubitschek with the last blood moon

08:54:02 RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedbot

08:55:10 punkman: guess I'm gonna register deedbot2

08:56:30 RagnarDanneskjol: yea - we'll get it back from him soon

08:56:43 RagnarDanneskjol: maybe deedb0t

08:56:49 punkman: maybe punkbot

08:56:52 bounce: d33db0t

08:56:55 RagnarDanneskjol: OH yea

08:59:25 Vexual: http://www.eyeneer.com/video/rock/jimi-hendrix/voodoo-chile-a-slight-return this is jimi hendrix describing thet he was born of a night like tonight

09:01:10 deedBot: Bundled: 7612d32b22d661a66af49c283157bcb11b0fcc72d3230d61447199ac251675e9-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt

09:04:02 Vexual: well, he doesnt actualy mentio in in that version, but theres a small return

09:09:48 deedBot: published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/7612d32b22d661a66af49c283157bcb11b0fcc72d3230d61447199ac251675e9-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt

09:15:45 punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: did you see anything interesting at the conference

09:17:10 RagnarDanneskjol: i got delayed - missed the first conference - headed to this one tomorrow. there is like a whole week of them.. hashers united(laff) comes the next day

09:17:17 RagnarDanneskjol: going to http://coinagenda.com/

09:17:18 assbot: Home

09:18:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 74 @ 0.01059552 = 0.7841 BTC [-] {2}

09:19:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.13099999 = 0.786 BTC [-]

09:19:34 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Would you be up for taking some pictures?

09:19:44 Vexual: ooh baby

09:20:17 thickasthieves: kinda looks like a scammy conference

09:20:25 RagnarDanneskjol: hmm, maybe. this is all investor derps and I'm not much of a camera guy, but guess I can take some spy shots

09:21:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00074277 = 20.2405 BTC [+] {2}

09:21:12 punkman: slap on a qntra.net badge, say you are from the press

09:21:18 RagnarDanneskjol: they are all scammy conferences. make your skin crawl to hear most of the stuff there - like the worst of the worst. I just go to gawk

09:21:23 RagnarDanneskjol: Ha

09:21:50 thickasthieves: Brian Santos is the BitcoinPride/SatoshiPoker guy

09:22:07 thickasthieves: he doesnt say so when he speaks tho

09:22:13 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Just if there's any booths out there would be appreciated. If you get 5 picutres I'll toss you Hundredth out of the Cardinals won the NLDS kitty.

09:22:43 BingoBoingo: Also Hundredth is the new slang for what used to be called a bitcent

09:22:54 RagnarDanneskjol: heh. no 'exhibitors at this one. its all start up pitched to Angel losers

09:23:00 BingoBoingo: Ah

09:23:04 RagnarDanneskjol: pitches*

09:23:58 punkman: will they have lulzy powerpoints?

09:24:05 BingoBoingo: Oh, so the desperate starter uppers don't have booths in a pen where they sling pitches like at Arrington's?

09:24:06 RagnarDanneskjol: i can only hope so

09:24:25 Vexual: hundreth? sounds a litlle sr ?

09:24:51 Vexual: who says hundreth?

09:25:10 BingoBoingo: Vexual: We have to accept that Bitcoin itself may become contraband all on its own.

09:25:52 Vexual: mayhaps ill just bust ross out, did they move his 140k?

09:26:10 BingoBoingo: Havent checked

09:26:35 Vexual: i think they did

09:27:10 Vexual: this aint shawshank

09:27:35 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Check any NCAA betting lines yet this week? My usually shitbook is offering Mizzou and Georgia at even money.

09:28:23 BingoBoingo: !up eightyeight

09:28:28 RagnarDanneskjol: not yet - usually wait till thursday. That will be a great game.

09:28:29 BingoBoingo: !up eizodo

09:28:48 punkman: http://www.worldslargestship.com/building-a-triple-e/

09:28:49 assbot: Building it | Worlds largest ship

09:29:00 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Either great or horrible. Georgia hasn't been looking very Georgia like this year.

09:29:36 RagnarDanneskjol: i kno. fun fact: Ragnar played as redshirt freshman for the bulldogs

09:29:52 RagnarDanneskjol: d-end

09:30:32 RagnarDanneskjol: I actually hate the team tho,, my team's USC (carolina)

09:30:53 RagnarDanneskjol: altho I fuking HATE Spurrier.

09:31:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00074697 = 4.183 BTC [+]

09:32:23 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDDYcyrCNE so, you like baseball?

09:32:35 BingoBoingo: Nice. I imagine no one really likes Spurrier though. Sort of coach who wins consistently, but it is so painful to endure the way he does it.

09:33:34 punkman: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/10/06/beepi-raises-60-million-to-sell-used-cars-to-the-smartphone-generation/

09:33:34 assbot: Beepi Raises $60 Million to Sell Used Cars to the Smartphone Generation - Digits - WSJ

09:33:53 punkman: " in a bet that people will purchase used cars with a few taps from their smartphones without ever taking a test drive."

09:36:00 Vexual: surely the smartphone generation prefers new cars?

09:36:04 punkman: oh they even take bitcoin

09:36:43 BingoBoingo: I prefer used cars myself, but would never buy one without a test drive.

09:36:53 Vexual: thats it\

09:37:08 Vexual: but kids line up to pay 1000 for the new ihone

09:37:32 BingoBoingo: Give the cars a few years to separate what is actually reliable vs. crippled

09:40:26 BingoBoingo: Also the way cars depreciate unless you do the retarded route and go Dealer certified the discount for used is immense.

09:41:30 BingoBoingo: Additionally I've found a new favorite pdf de-turder http://document.online-convert.com/convert-to-txt

09:41:31 assbot: Convert documents to TXT

09:41:46 Vexual: neato

09:41:50 RagnarDanneskjol: oh NICE - i need this

09:42:59 BingoBoingo: It was the first converter I tried that actually de-shitted the court pdf successfully

09:43:16 Vexual: eat beans

09:43:21 Vexual: before court

09:44:10 BingoBoingo: Vexual: I have to get a hold of the lawyer today, and find out why again it appears he failed to get a dismissal.

09:44:27 Vexual: dismissal you'll have

09:44:54 punkman: BingoBoingo: is it because he keeps getting paid?

09:45:08 Vexual: ;;google frank matano naples

09:45:09 gribble: Farting on people 2 ( Italy- Naples ) =)))) by Frank Matano - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-EXdnVMhM; Farting on people ( italy-milan ) =))) by Frank Matano - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnFazmfipZs; farts on people in the park. [Frank Matano] - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_DMr2Alfac

09:46:08 BingoBoingo: punkman: He only gets paid again if it goes to trial.

09:48:51 BingoBoingo: But he already seems too busy for his caseload.

09:49:43 Vexual: look him in the eye and tell him what you want, same goes for the judge

09:51:53 Vexual: save if for the day if your guy is being a cunt

09:52:44 BingoBoingo: I already have a sack of secret shit ready for trial if it comes to that.

09:55:26 cazalla: mircea_popescu: <mike_c> any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from? << cazalla ran off with a lass, but he'll be back midweek, ima push him to put quantcast in there, then you can see directly. <<< i will do this in the morning

09:56:56 cazalla: sgornick: Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter - http://Twitter.com/Qntra <<< you can change email to info@qntra.net, happy to leave it as a feed, ty for that

09:56:58 assbot: Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter

09:57:46 BingoBoingo: Does anyone here participate in webbotforum.com they've been sending a tiny bit of traffic, but no way to know in what context we've been linked

10:03:51 punkman: BingoBoingo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Bot

10:03:51 assbot: Web Bot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10:03:56 punkman: probably automated

10:04:23 BingoBoingo: punkman: If you go to their domain it seems more like a sort of club or cult thing.

10:04:35 BingoBoingo: Seekrit manifest and all

10:04:48 punkman: yeah think I've seen it before

10:08:37 punkman: here's a "report" from them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AyMq5iYUhI

10:08:37 assbot: IDIR6212014FlyingNaziEconomy - YouTube

10:13:17 Vexual: that being said, it's highly likey the best of the suisse banks are unchanged still

10:16:12 Vexual: and bingoboingos case will be dismissed

10:16:22 BingoBoingo: I hope

10:16:36 Vexual: well it's kinda how things go

10:17:23 Vexual: you're probably tagged as a pep

10:19:40 Vexual: ie politically exposed person

10:20:25 BingoBoingo: Maybe?

10:21:05 BingoBoingo: After seeing what happened with Weev, maybe the figure I'm less problematic if not exposed to prison?

10:21:43 Vexual: well im channelling tomme le jones here now, but id say if you dont do too mcuh wrong in the next well youll be fine

10:24:46 Vexual: tomme lee jones never typed that dunk

10:24:50 Vexual: *drunk

10:25:17 Vexual: who's weev?

10:25:30 cazalla: gnaa

10:25:51 Vexual: u wot?

10:26:13 cazalla: ;;ud gnaa

10:26:14 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GNAA | Nov 29, 2004 ... Are you a gay nigger!? YES!! well there you go...you are eligible. GNAA came to town but no one went to the convention. I felt bad. Wait. what?

10:26:24 Vexual: yes but weev?

10:26:34 Vexual: oh

10:27:21 Vexual: cazalla a desk at that coop might bring scoops

10:27:55 Vexual: or chinese lunches

10:28:06 cazalla: just catching up on logs, then i'll check out links

10:28:36 Vexual: all mojo

10:28:49 Vexual: all day

10:30:18 Vexual: ;;gettrust cazalla

10:30:19 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Vexual to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Vexual&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014

10:31:13 cazalla: what's your wot name Vexual

10:31:20 Vexual: muxne

10:32:20 cazalla: ;;rate muxne 1 true blue fair dinkum aussie battler

10:32:21 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

10:32:39 cazalla: fuck that's too hard right now

10:32:45 Vexual: grappa?

10:33:04 cazalla: i've had a beer but i just finished driving syd to melb

10:33:17 Vexual: youll need a few more

10:33:23 cazalla: so many dead roos on the hume hwy yet none in sight

10:33:41 Vexual: did you see the guy hit a roo on a harley on liveleak?

10:33:42 cazalla: nah just 1, i'm done (excessive) drinking

10:33:46 cazalla: no lol

10:33:57 Vexual: he hit it square and held it

10:34:06 Vexual: 115kph

10:35:06 cazalla: there is a gixxer hitting one on youtube but no harley, that it?

10:35:46 Vexual: i dont know what gixxer is

10:36:17 cazalla: gsxr

10:36:27 cazalla: the suzukis

10:36:32 Vexual: im sure it said harley

10:36:42 Vexual: 1100?

10:36:55 cazalla: found it

10:37:01 Vexual: thatd be more than 155 and chop suey

10:37:20 Vexual: weights up higher

10:37:44 cazalla: damn, lucky rider

10:37:59 Vexual: good rider first, also lucky

10:38:44 Vexual: i rode a gsxr once

10:39:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87600 @ 0.00074185 = 64.9861 BTC [-] {5}

10:40:08 Vexual: i saw colours

10:40:31 cazalla: i had a zzr for a bit, thinking i'll play some road rash for real

10:40:36 cazalla: you know how that worked out

10:42:01 Vexual: thats a fast piece of machinery, and the valves sound special

10:42:19 Vexual: give you the kinda feedback you need at 100 mph

10:42:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/supreme_court_dispatches/2014/10/supreme_court_arguments_for_arkansas_prisoner_beard_case_what_can_you_hide.html

10:42:25 assbot: Supreme Court arguments for Arkansas prisoner beard case: What can you hide in half-inch stubble?

10:42:48 Vexual: im guessing you bent the front spokes and gave it away?

10:43:21 cazalla: nah, i came off the road, mind you this was zzr 250cc, not even a powerful bike

10:43:41 cazalla: slid on the gravel a bit, bike was all scratched to hell, spooked me enough to call it a day

10:43:50 Vexual: well a zzr 250 and a gsxr1100 across the traffic lights...

10:43:55 Vexual: and top speed...

10:44:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.13099999 = 2.096 BTC [-] {2}

10:44:36 cazalla: was for the best

10:44:39 Vexual: theres not much in it

10:44:47 cazalla: zzr is a nice bike

10:45:25 Vexual: yah

10:46:17 cazalla: anyway, things we do when young and stupid

10:47:18 Vexual: yeah, i wouldn't wanna ride one all the way to sydney

10:49:59 Vexual: but a zzr 250 will take anything across the likes at 13k revs

10:50:05 Vexual: *lights

10:50:33 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

10:50:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 345.79, Best ask: 346.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 346.0, 24 hour volume: 22349.95030193, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 346.0, 24 hour vwap: 330.570145068

10:50:38 thickasthieves: yep yep

10:50:44 Vexual: unless you're an elf on a powerband aprillia 125

10:52:16 Vexual: shits got more ^2 than a 747

10:56:47 Vexual: i hope they put kawasakis in hoverbikes

10:58:03 Vexual: or are they called hoverquads?

10:58:41 Vexual: quikes?

11:00:58 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspJVTQz7dU loose tappets

11:05:04 dub: sounds like my car

11:06:01 Vexual: deus ex machina

11:06:11 dub: which has a yamaha 1800 vtec

11:06:34 Vexual: honda?

11:06:41 dub: fuck you

11:06:47 Vexual: its cool

11:06:54 dub: toyota corolla

11:06:55 Vexual: its an excellent machine

11:07:12 Vexual: blueprinted?

11:07:23 dub: mostly stock

11:07:54 Vexual: what year?

11:10:42 Vexual: i had an 82

11:11:13 Vexual: leaked oil

11:11:26 Vexual: and power

11:12:42 Vexual: and occassionally din't run

11:13:45 Vexual: but iv'e been in a nice one

11:14:14 Vexual: made me wish i knew how to maintain

11:21:30 dub: '01 jdm zze123, sold as sportivo in au

11:23:11 dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQeRVMuMdVc US equiv, about how mine runs

11:23:11 assbot: Riyoz Racing Toyota MR-S / Spyder with 2zz-ge engine in Sepang Circuit ( SIC ) - YouTube

11:24:11 dub: er matrix is US body

11:24:19 Vexual: i sthat a rear engine jobbie?

11:24:36 dub: mrs is

11:26:55 Vexual: spyder for the mrs

11:27:49 Vexual: most borrowed car evar

11:30:41 Vexual: now its all tts and 350s

11:33:24 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwO43jRd7M0 just gotta get milk

11:40:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 24031 @ 0.00003222 = 0.7743 BTC [+] {2}

11:42:29 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/coinagenda-conference-begins-today/

11:42:39 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvL-kiDbNeU

11:44:04 RagnarDanneskjol: coingenda started yesterday fyi bingoboingo

11:44:16 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: That was just a reception

11:44:27 Vexual: melbourne seems realer about doind stuff

11:45:18 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - i see you mentioned that - I got my confrences mixed - its a fuull week

11:45:27 Vexual: that said ive never been to vegas

11:48:04 bounce: after a receiont last night ... after a reception last night. so there was like a reception last night? did I get that right?

11:48:50 BingoBoingo: fxd

11:49:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbHLj7xt5Rw afroman circa 200 (lyric:sell your crack on the internet but not yet)

11:59:34 mthreat: Vexual: 350z?

11:59:55 Vexual: yah, ladies car

12:00:14 Vexual: get the saloon

12:00:48 mthreat: i had a 350z, great track car

12:00:59 Vexual: well then

12:01:20 mthreat: and i had this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_P8JMp4aNo

12:01:20 assbot: 1995 Toyota MR2 turbo - YouTube

12:02:38 Vexual: ill take the mr2

12:04:12 mthreat: which saloon do you mean?

12:04:22 mthreat: above

12:04:33 Vexual: whats it called the nissan?

12:04:52 Vexual: i forget

12:05:15 mthreat: the 350z?

12:05:19 mthreat: gt-r?

12:05:26 Vexual: thats the ladies coupe

12:05:30 Vexual: thast it

12:06:02 mthreat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfLxCHIWK8 <-- ladies?

12:06:02 assbot: Dicey 350z exit from turn 2 at Texas World Speedway CCW - YouTube

12:09:14 Vexual: it's a sexy car, i just wouldnt own it

12:09:47 mthreat: fair 'nuff

12:10:02 dub: exige still have the 2zz-ge?

12:10:22 Vexual: ill take a gtr

12:11:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs heres your fat ass 350

12:13:03 mthreat: yeah, and the later models are supercharged

12:13:20 Vexual: supercharged?

12:13:38 mthreat: (Exiges). yeah, my S260 has 260 horsepower with a 1.8L engine

12:13:49 Vexual: that might cause some forward mmomentum

12:14:04 mthreat: with a 2000-pound car, yep

12:14:19 dub: yeah NA version in my car

12:14:45 Vexual: NA is NA

12:15:51 dub: know a couple of dudes with blower kits

12:17:42 Vexual: well let me at cha with a dremel and a scredriver

12:20:06 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwgGuadsqyo

12:21:11 Vexual: corolla

12:22:22 Vexual: get acii on the case put a belt drive blower on that shit

12:22:29 Vexual: *ascii

12:23:13 Vexual: fix the oil seals manyana

12:24:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20752 @ 0.0007423 = 15.4042 BTC [+]

12:29:22 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5LQxrZccQE

12:29:57 Vexual: looks like julia t

12:34:42 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5I7lXV9b88

12:37:41 Vexual: fuckin aye

12:41:00 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aepBpZ3kXek

12:46:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyaUtnWr8Gw jack nicholson on freedom in the usa

12:49:52 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/salmon-festival-a-financial-flop-town-reveals-1.2792049

12:49:52 assbot: Salmon Festival a financial flop, town reveals - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

12:50:15 nubbins`: imagine, Maroon 5 was the headliner and nobody wanted to go

12:50:20 nubbins`: who woulda thought

12:50:29 Vexual: id go, i love maroon 5

12:50:49 Vexual: also salmon

12:50:59 Vexual: prolly moreso

12:52:34 Vexual: im ust be part inuit

12:54:22 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmugSMBh_iI

12:54:37 Vexual: did you go?

12:58:43 thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes

12:58:44 Vexual: guess not

12:58:55 thickasthieves: wisdom of the crowd!

13:00:24 Vexual: aerosmith , kiss, marooooooooooooooooooooooon5

13:00:41 Vexual: the lcal scan't say it

13:01:51 Vexual: marun?

13:02:13 Vexual: mar'un

13:02:24 Vexual: eh fek it

13:06:54 nanotube: punkman1: yea limnoria is a good choice.

13:07:15 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMEGBsw6j8

13:11:07 Vexual: orb learn relativity

13:11:20 *: Vexual wanker

13:12:49 Vexual: orb report hapiness

13:13:43 *: Vexual vaoant

13:15:30 nubbins`: thickasthieves they changed to appease the wrong crowd

13:15:49 nubbins`: this concert is in the middle of the fuckin island in a town of 13k people

13:16:17 nubbins`: generally they get some washed-up act like kiss or the eagles or aerosmith, everybody's parents drive out to central to relive the days of their youth

13:16:29 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RXRHmIFB_c

13:16:34 nubbins`: nobody's driving 5 hours to see a maroon 5 concert.

13:18:58 thickasthieves: or salmon

13:19:06 thickasthieves: nor*

13:21:08 nubbins`: well, y'know, rightly so.

13:21:24 nubbins`: anyway, attendance this year was about 1/3 of last year, when they ran out of water.

13:21:30 Vexual: id drive 5 hors for a slice of salmon

13:21:56 nubbins`: and so at the end of the day, the town is out half a mill

13:22:03 thickasthieves: we have a shrimp fetsival here that does really well

13:22:09 Vexual: thats a half thruth

13:22:12 nubbins`: maybe next year they'll get william hung

13:22:16 thickasthieves: they dont get famous bands so much as very popular cover bands

13:22:26 nubbins`: heh thickasthieves that's the idea

13:22:49 mircea_popescu: yeah i was gonna say that sounds like a winner

13:23:09 nubbins`: "up next: pistols & flowers"

13:23:24 nubbins`: "up next: led hot zilli peppers"

13:23:31 Vexual: lol

13:23:39 nubbins`: (they cover rhcp AND zeppelin, natch)

13:23:47 mircea_popescu: you srs ?!

13:23:51 Vexual: yay not wasting moeny!

13:23:51 nubbins`: no joke

13:24:02 mircea_popescu: pistols & flowers ?

13:24:10 nubbins`: also no joke

13:24:11 mircea_popescu: wtf's next, "the whom" ? "the bind" ?

13:24:18 Vexual: lol

13:24:28 nubbins`: i had an idea that we'd have a newfoundland-based Who cover band called The Wha?

13:24:33 mircea_popescu: ahahh

13:24:45 mircea_popescu: moar like the why, amirite.

13:24:55 *: nubbins` claps softly

13:24:56 Vexual: meth + none is cheaper than someone

13:25:03 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnoxRXmKrdU

13:25:03 assbot: Led Hot Zili Peppers - Proud Mary - Turtle Jacks, Jun.14/11 - YouTube

13:25:15 nubbins`: i suspect these guys are just hanson with some hair dye

13:25:25 nubbins`: drummer looks about 9

13:25:33 Vexual: kids rock

13:25:58 mircea_popescu: !up brianhoffman

13:26:04 Vexual: drummers going places

13:26:14 nubbins`: not with his hair in his eyes

13:26:29 mircea_popescu: just as long as he doesn't care about the blood...

13:26:30 Vexual: he'll be shaved and get better friends

13:26:36 nubbins`: Vexual in the meantime, sick article about silkscreening touchscreens

13:26:50 nubbins`: wish there was more video ;/

13:26:50 Vexual: yeah its the future and shit

13:27:12 mircea_popescu: ahhh this is lulzy. fraudsters traffic on bitcoin bottom day, = the entire month of august.

13:27:13 nubbins`: once i figure out a food-based emulsion i'm going to start screening jam on my sandwiches

13:27:18 mircea_popescu: this blog be goin' places.

13:27:25 mircea_popescu: nubbins` mayo.

13:27:33 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i guess everyone figured you had the answers

13:27:42 mircea_popescu: people have been painting with mayo since about 1500

13:28:00 nubbins`: but wouldn't all the egg just preserve everything nicely?

13:28:29 nubbins`: actually this reminds me, roomie made mayo from scratch the other day

13:28:46 nubbins`: i think it was a good idea letting this guy move in

13:28:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins` 20gb dood. more than all the text everyone who ever wrote the constitution ever read.

13:29:05 nubbins`: that's a lotta text

13:29:18 mircea_popescu: which guy ?

13:29:52 nubbins`: so there's this restaurant here, RAYMONDS, and it's been voted the top restaurant in canada a number of times by a number of different publications who feel it's in their power to dish out such an award

13:30:11 nubbins`: new roomie gets a job there 2 days after he moves in

13:30:16 nubbins`: and MAN can this guy fuckin cook

13:30:47 thickasthieves: The Whom, lol!

13:30:56 mircea_popescu: o hai tat

13:31:15 Vexual: resturants go bad with bad mayo

13:31:41 nubbins`: i had these roma tomatoes and i wondered aloud "what can i make with these?"

13:31:48 Vexual: its where the very term chicken shit came from

13:32:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` just ftr, i make all the girls learn to make mayo from scratch. which means, from eggs.

13:32:23 nubbins`: 9 hours later we'd made homemade mayo, lasagna from scratch, a full shoulder of pulled pork, fresh ravioli, pan-seared cod...

13:32:24 mircea_popescu: it's not so hard really.

13:32:42 mircea_popescu: but lasagna takes more than nine hours.

13:32:57 Vexual: you make lagsngne in house?

13:33:02 nubbins`: the prep work was done the day before

13:33:07 nubbins`: had to slow-roast the tomatoes in the oven overnight

13:33:10 mircea_popescu: a

13:33:19 Vexual: immabout to get garfield on your arse mr poescue

13:33:35 mircea_popescu: hm ?

13:33:36 nubbins`: but yeah. pasta, sauce, meat, all of it from scratch

13:33:48 mircea_popescu: well the meat was ostensibly made from cow.

13:33:51 nubbins`: HEH

13:33:51 kakobrekla: did ya kill the cow?

13:33:54 nubbins`: moose, in fact

13:34:01 nubbins`: ground it ourselves tho!

13:34:04 kakobrekla: ah, ran over it?

13:34:08 thickasthieves: under

13:34:18 nubbins`: nah my mom is from "the bay", we get all the moose we want for free

13:34:30 nubbins`: heh thickasthieves knows how they're shaped

13:34:38 mircea_popescu: lol

13:34:40 nubbins`: generally you hit a moose, it ends up in your lap

13:34:46 kakobrekla: does moose taste similar to deer?

13:34:51 nubbins`: never tried deer

13:34:55 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah, similar to bison.

13:34:58 nubbins`: moose is like a spicy/stringy beef

13:35:06 kakobrekla: never had bison or moose. had deer many times.

13:35:18 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ?

13:35:21 nubbins`: caribou might be closert

13:35:23 nubbins`: *closer

13:35:49 kakobrekla: possibly although i dont recall it.

13:35:50 mircea_popescu: he lives basically in this model railroad world. all they got there is rabbits, quail and the occasional deer. tinycountry.

13:36:07 kakobrekla: who me?

13:36:08 nubbins`: and dogs

13:36:11 mircea_popescu: yes you :D

13:36:25 kakobrekla: meh

13:36:30 kakobrekla: horse ftw

13:36:32 thickasthieves: they have ice too

13:36:44 nubbins`: anyway this all started with "i wonder what i can do with these roma tomatoes"

13:37:02 mircea_popescu: ok ok, horse works. cow -> moose is about the same amplitude as chicken -> horse

13:37:07 nubbins`: 24h later, eating moose/pork/tomato ravioli w/ cod and veg: "this is one thing you can do with those tomatoes"

13:37:31 nubbins`: 9h after that, eating lasagna: "this is another thing"

13:37:50 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you forgot 'edible house mouse'

13:37:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` careful you don't end up living with an ex little producer.

13:37:55 Vexual: i make a wholemeal pasta for my lagsagne

13:37:56 kakobrekla: eh

13:38:00 kakobrekla: 'edible dormouse'

13:38:08 mircea_popescu: uh. wtf

13:38:14 kakobrekla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_dormouse

13:38:14 assbot: Edible dormouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13:38:21 mircea_popescu: edible by whom, squirrels ?

13:38:25 nubbins`: ex little producer

13:38:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins` paul f little

13:38:57 kakobrekla: these live in the woods and their fat has great medical value

13:39:07 nubbins`: "this, sadly, is another thing you can do with those tomatoes :("

13:39:24 kakobrekla: but yes, they have been and are still (traditionally) eaten

13:40:00 Vexual: rats?

13:40:07 mircea_popescu: looks more like a chinchilla

13:40:14 kakobrekla: romans ate em

13:40:33 thickasthieves: Glis Glis, heh

13:40:38 Vexual: do you mice the bones or dress them?

13:40:41 kakobrekla: smaller than chinchilla

13:40:49 kakobrekla: its like a big mouse

13:41:10 Vexual: mice the whole thing? fur and all?

13:41:15 kakobrekla: very good furr also

13:41:15 thickasthieves: like a grey chipmunk

13:41:46 kakobrekla: my grandfather still hunts them

13:41:59 Vexual: lets stick to beef

13:42:24 thickasthieves: should we use glue or mayo?

13:42:38 nubbins`: i've got a variety of adhesives we can use

13:42:40 Vexual: what is this the fucking roadkill cafe?

13:42:46 nubbins`: how about alba-tac?

13:42:59 thickasthieves: this room would probly prefer sugru

13:43:08 nubbins`: i have some sugru but i think it's expired.

13:43:09 Vexual: sugru?

13:43:20 thickasthieves: adhesive putty

13:43:22 nubbins`: feels unusually stiff inside the package

13:43:29 nubbins`: Vexual room-temp-cure silicone

13:43:38 Vexual: thats not food

13:43:41 thickasthieves: lol

13:43:45 nubbins`: who said anything about food?

13:43:50 nubbins`: we're trying to stick to beef here

13:43:59 Vexual: and mayo

13:44:11 nubbins`: mayo's not sticky enough

13:44:25 Vexual: although i can cook kangaroo like you won't see anywhere

13:44:37 thickasthieves: it makes you blind?

13:44:56 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_pornography#mediaviewer/File:Wiki-POV-pornography.png

13:44:56 assbot: Gonzo pornography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13:45:06 nubbins`: now you know

13:45:16 Vexual: no just generally, people leave kangaroo off the menu

13:45:58 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> mayo's not sticky enough << you can make it as sticky as you want

13:46:05 Vexual: because is a shade harder to do than mayo, and blantantly unnecessary

13:46:11 nubbins`: but i'm almost out of oil :(

13:46:24 mircea_popescu: use lube i guess ?!

13:46:39 nubbins`: would precum work?

13:46:52 Vexual: you get one of two experiences

13:47:02 Vexual: good and bad

13:47:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you gonna make mayo out of eggs and eggs ?

13:47:58 kakobrekla: actually worth it , lol, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZM-eG-SZ_A&feature=youtu.be

13:47:58 assbot: Fake questions at the catwalks during Milano Fashion Week - YouTube

13:48:00 nubbins`: actually, i don't know if i have any eggs left.

13:48:06 nubbins`: the lasagne took like ten of them

13:48:06 mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ?

13:48:12 Vexual: yoghurt is the lesser level to mayo

13:48:42 Vexual: its supposed to be ... err how you say

13:48:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lmao idjits

13:49:18 kakobrekla: totally

13:49:25 Vexual: cultured?

13:49:31 kakobrekla: i dont want to be on this planet anymore!

13:49:34 thickasthieves: kako awesome vid lol

13:49:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla or you could just no go to milan for faker week

13:49:53 mircea_popescu: i mean fashion week

13:50:50 kakobrekla: if only this would be limited to that.

13:50:55 Vexual: its all about the greek

13:51:12 thickasthieves: "everything you can put on your head, i love it."

13:51:52 nubbins`: shoes

13:51:53 mircea_popescu: "ballsacs especially"

13:52:47 mircea_popescu: can you use phpmyadmin to administer anything other than mysql incidentally ?

13:53:28 kakobrekla: not that id known

13:54:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, all these people giving the sr prosecution a hard time are just assholes.

13:54:58 mircea_popescu: they got on the server and did if (database === php), got True and are all in the right.

13:56:46 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJQSAiODqI

14:01:28 mircea_popescu: Scalia cuts him off: ?Well, religious beliefs aren?t reasonable. I mean, religious beliefs are categorical. You know, it?s ? God tells you. It?s not a matter of being reasonable.? He looks amazed. ?God, be reasonable??

14:01:35 mircea_popescu: gotta love scalia lol

14:01:50 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/trinity-western-grad-attacked-for-being-christian-in-job-rejection-1.2791323

14:01:50 assbot: Trinity Western grad 'attacked' for being Christian in job rejection - British Columbia - CBC News

14:02:32 nubbins`: check the "read the full email" link just below the picture of the red viking guy

14:03:22 mircea_popescu: imo that's great precedent. hopefully people start attacking muslims for being muslims, it's a fucking ridoinculous religion and it needs some public mockery.

14:04:07 Vexual: i havent read the book

14:05:34 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

14:05:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.73, Best ask: 340.97, Bid-ask spread: 1.24000, Last trade: 339.73, 24 hour volume: 22401.26252814, 24 hour low: 321.98, 24 hour high: 346.0, 24 hour vwap: 333.936354616

14:05:43 Vexual: thats lad looks like she might not be able to fjord tho

14:06:48 Vexual: since when did no or yes need a qualifier

14:06:49 mircea_popescu: to fjord ? it's a fjverb now !?

14:06:56 Vexual: ya

14:06:59 Vexual: its both

14:07:46 Vexual: english is whorish like that

14:07:57 thickasthieves: viking guy says, re jesus "if i was to meet the guy, i'd actually fuck him."

14:08:27 nubbins`: +1 hey?

14:08:42 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't fuck dubious jew carpenter guys

14:08:51 mircea_popescu: mary magdalene, however, maybe.

14:08:58 mircea_popescu: this is pre-syphilis after all.

14:08:58 nubbins`: did he die a jew, tho?

14:09:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's with this canadian preoccupation with death in a fucking context.

14:09:18 nubbins`: iirc the guy was baptized

14:09:29 nubbins`: heavens ripped open, etc etc, john had a bit of concern over it all

14:09:39 mircea_popescu: the ripped open heavens i'd fuck

14:09:55 nubbins`: who wouldn't?!

14:10:31 nubbins`: "Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to 'hack' into it in order to search it, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary."

14:10:37 nubbins`: what the fuckin fuck?

14:10:45 mircea_popescu: http://stmarymagcoa.org/ << lol!

14:10:45 assbot: St Mary Magdalen Parish - Home

14:11:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins` welcome to yesterday's lols.

14:11:10 mircea_popescu: they were had!

14:11:12 nubbins`: just catching up

14:12:09 nubbins`: "given that the american senator had pornography on his computer, the glorious kingdom of saudi arabia hacked into his computers without compunction, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary"

14:13:05 nubbins`: welcome to the asymmetric future

14:13:17 mircea_popescu: certainly.

14:13:45 mircea_popescu: im sure the argument will be brought on any future "onoes we were hacked" trials.

14:13:59 mircea_popescu: course you were hacked, you're the fucking government, everyone's principal enemy.

14:15:03 nubbins`: !s hard fork

14:15:03 assbot: 17 results for 'hard fork' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hard+fork

14:15:26 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes. wisdom of the crowd! << quite. the worst thing you can do is listen to the idiots. just because they do with the mouth doesn't mean they actually want any of it implemented. what's next, cow barns made according to cow moos ?

14:16:00 thickasthieves: lol

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14:16:09 thickasthieves: !b 2

14:16:17 mircea_popescu: there isn't even a process to turn mooing into blueprints.

14:16:22 nubbins`: mooooprints

14:16:33 *: nubbins` tips hat, lights jazz cigarette

14:16:42 mircea_popescu: lol jazz cigarette

14:16:51 mircea_popescu: ;;google patricia kaas is not jazz

14:16:52 gribble: Patricia Kaas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Kaas; Black Coffee - Patricia Kaas - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqS_4B4JYws; Patricia Kaas - L'heure du jazz (LP, L out) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qina9Bkp1s

14:17:31 nubbins`: hm, i wonder...

14:17:34 nubbins`: ;;ud jazz cigarette

14:17:34 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jazz%20cigarette | A slang term used for Marijuana cigarettes during the 1920's in the United States. Cannabis cigarettes were sold in jazz clubs during this period thus the origin of ...

14:17:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you asshole, aerosmith ain't washed up!!!!1

14:17:51 nubbins`: all's well

14:17:57 nubbins`: mircea_popescu -_-

14:18:10 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfDI2ZjXwK8

14:18:19 mircea_popescu: anyway. yeah, they did ok, 1 lb of cocaine a month for 40 years

14:18:33 nubbins`: i saw jane's addiction a few years ago. they were supposed to have steven tyler come out to play guitar for "jane says"

14:18:40 nubbins`: but the old bastard broke his brittle elbow

14:18:54 nubbins`: so they got whoever the fuck plays guitar in aerosmith instead

14:18:56 nubbins`: joe somebody?

14:19:05 mircea_popescu: tyler plays guitar now ?!

14:19:13 nubbins`: right?!

14:19:21 nubbins`: joe perry, that's it.

14:19:26 mircea_popescu: yup

14:19:32 mircea_popescu: tyler just does with the mouth

14:19:37 nubbins`: anyway, imagine that asshole and dave navarro on a stage together

14:19:48 mircea_popescu: no idea who dave is

14:19:56 mircea_popescu: but tyler's enough an asshole for any needs.

14:20:07 nubbins`: guitarist from j.a., had some success in a douchey solo career

14:20:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, perry is imo the best guitar player of all time.

14:20:21 nubbins`: very "hollywood"

14:20:21 nubbins`: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Dave_Navarro_2010.jpg

14:20:30 nubbins`: mircea_popescu FWIW he fucking slayed the song

14:20:59 mircea_popescu: kinda underrated because people are idiots and since tyler was such a magnetic frontman they forgot perry's even there

14:21:11 mircea_popescu: heck, he forgot too, leading to some animosity down the road. but anyway

14:21:49 nubbins`: til mp is into smith

14:22:23 mircea_popescu: o yeah. always been. this is what i used to answer when 12 yo girls asked a 11 yo me what music i listen to

14:22:41 nubbins`: heh. i had a brief fling around the time "get a grip" came out

14:22:42 nubbins`: didn't last

14:22:47 nubbins`: anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DHGZZ-apMk

14:22:47 assbot: Jane's Addiction - Jane Says (Live at Irvine Meadows 1991) - YouTube

14:22:56 nubbins`: NOT featuring joe perry, but hey.

14:23:04 Vexual: noice

14:23:33 mircea_popescu: i don't think they ever did something i didn;t like. but then mtv came out and i stopped following.

14:25:57 nubbins`: how about the "don

14:26:01 nubbins`: 't wanna close my eyes" shit

14:26:06 nubbins`: armageddon

14:26:19 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

14:26:39 *: nubbins` calmly tips over king w/ pawn

14:27:02 nubbins`: sorry, low blow

14:27:06 mircea_popescu: nah, the band formed in the early 70s, did it';s stuff by the end of the decade. then fairbairn pumped some life into it enough to get permanent vacation out and that's about it.

14:28:00 mircea_popescu: course the videos with applegate and tyler's young hottie are not bad, but they're not really good, either.

14:28:15 mircea_popescu: if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.

14:28:59 thickasthieves: eddie van halen is probly my #1 guitarist

14:29:19 thickasthieves: not cause i like van halen songs tremendously

14:29:25 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.

14:29:27 nubbins`: leeel

14:29:30 thickasthieves: just really appreciate how he works in them

14:29:35 mircea_popescu: shit, it's not applegate, iths the other blondie

14:29:37 mircea_popescu: wtf was her name

14:29:41 mircea_popescu: silverstone!

14:29:45 thickasthieves: arquette?

14:29:46 Vexual: blondie?

14:29:52 nubbins`: alicia

14:29:59 mircea_popescu: yeah

14:30:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you laugh, sir, but once they find a way to allow personality implants, most housewives will be running stoya 1.0

14:30:39 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU

14:30:43 thickasthieves: so, question, can digital music monetization be solved by essentially IPOing songs via bitcoin?

14:31:00 thickasthieves: each song is purchased and each customer becomes a X% owner of the current remaining % unpurchased

14:31:03 thickasthieves: sorta like a ponzi

14:31:07 thickasthieves: but not

14:31:10 thickasthieves: you get a song

14:31:14 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're missing the part about how someone, somewhere, sometime HAS TO PAY SOMETHING

14:31:19 nubbins`: mircea_popescu and most aspies will be running schwartzenegger_0.9_early_beta_SiKOSiS_cracked_with_keygen

14:31:24 mircea_popescu: that's the crux. nothing is getting solved around that.

14:31:31 thickasthieves: but they get part ownership

14:31:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's already here.

14:31:35 thickasthieves: so sales revenue

14:31:41 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves sales ? what sales ?

14:31:42 thickasthieves: stake

14:31:58 mats_cd03: so MA just passed some legislation raising min. wage to $9/hr in jan2015 and $10/hr in jan2016

14:32:01 thickasthieves: well popular artists could have preorders and min orders

14:32:08 nubbins`: mats_cd03 congratulations!

14:32:10 mats_cd03: i wonder whats going to happen

14:32:17 nubbins`: min wage was raised to $10.25 here a week or two ago

14:32:18 mats_cd03: i aint some broke nigga nubbins`

14:32:19 mircea_popescu: nobody's sold anything since 1999. ticket sales work exactly like political campaign contributions, the ticket agencies get most of the dough.

14:32:29 nubbins`: mats_cd03: it'll breathe more life into the local economy? :P

14:32:32 mircea_popescu: people still do it for the concerts, because you can generally pick a chick in the crowd to fuck.

14:32:36 mats_cd03: i doubt it

14:32:38 mircea_popescu: or even a couple of em, depending.

14:32:51 nubbins`: mats_cd03: you know that minimum-wage earners spend most of their raises, right?

14:32:53 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 nothing's gonna happen.

14:32:59 Vexual: ill be moving fixed rate rice soon

14:33:02 mats_cd03: more part time workers

14:33:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26474 @ 0.00074733 = 19.7848 BTC [+] {2}

14:33:15 mats_cd03: more people getting penalized for not having health insurance

14:33:18 nubbins`: a raise in minimum wage is a boon for small businesses that aren't too fucking stupid or poorly managed to take advantage of it

14:33:34 nubbins`: oh, wait, USA, right. the health thing.

14:33:38 mircea_popescu: heh.

14:33:39 *: nubbins` shakes head sadly

14:33:48 mats_cd03: b-b-but romneycare in MA

14:33:57 mircea_popescu: pity they don't do the same thing to education, too

14:34:01 thickasthieves: apple reports selling 25billion songs

14:34:01 mircea_popescu: O WAIT!!!!

14:34:02 mircea_popescu: mwahahaha

14:34:06 thickasthieves: soooo

14:34:10 thickasthieves: someone's buying

14:34:15 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nope.

14:34:15 nubbins`: did you know i can jam a dirty needle into the crook of my elbow, rub hobo cum in it, wrap it in plastic for a month, and the hospital will fix it FOR FREE?

14:34:48 Vexual: fuck mano

14:35:10 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why.

14:35:15 thickasthieves: $7.6bn CD sales

14:35:16 thickasthieves: lol

14:35:30 thickasthieves: $5.87b digital music

14:35:43 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968

14:35:46 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're confusing this situation where large companies play their own game with this situation where "someone's buying".

14:35:56 mircea_popescu: look at what the "computer security" market is at, sometime.

14:36:00 nubbins`: mircea_popescu maybe if obama had pushed canadacare instead...

14:36:09 thickasthieves: i understand the numbers fluffed

14:36:18 thickasthieves: but i dont believe they are tripled or such

14:36:37 mircea_popescu: not a matter of fluffed or tripled

14:36:39 nubbins`: i've bought music through apple

14:36:41 mircea_popescu: a matter of, "not your numbers"

14:36:42 nubbins`: not much, granted

14:36:47 nubbins`: but i've done it

14:36:50 nubbins`: wait, shit, sorry.

14:37:00 mircea_popescu: like, say, couple next door does A LOT OF FUCKING. so i go over, let's see. well, they're shy now.

14:37:17 mircea_popescu: apple sells 25bn songs and if you put one for sale it suddenly gets five views and a candian quarter.

14:38:02 Vexual: were all sayin like now? i think we should stop that

14:38:16 Vexual: its vulgar

14:38:22 mircea_popescu: so what exact problem do you figure "ipoing" will solve ? apple needs your ipo like i need a beard implant.

14:38:35 thickasthieves: so youre just commenting on that the pie isnt something you can even take a slice of

14:38:43 mircea_popescu: and the non-apples aren't players now nor will they be players ever, that "market" lived its time and is now in the final phase.

14:38:50 mircea_popescu: quite.

14:38:51 Vexual: beard implant lol

14:39:32 thickasthieves: so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no?

14:39:40 mircea_popescu: not in any recognisable format.

14:39:50 BingoBoingo: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/08/134208/systemd-adding-its-own-console-to-linux-systems

14:39:51 assbot: Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems - Slashdot

14:39:56 mircea_popescu: yes, apple will go bankrupt. yes, the music distribution model of dino de laurentiis will die.

14:40:14 mircea_popescu: but it will die at the hands of kids who won't pay for music and the people serving them, who will do essentially stuff like sexy saffron

14:40:16 thickasthieves: so no one will by singles nor streaming rights to them ever again?

14:40:31 mircea_popescu: it'll re-hash starting from its roots as entertainment, you'll go back to the performer, back to the instrument,

14:40:33 mircea_popescu: it's a cycle.

14:41:00 thickasthieves: but technology doesnt just remove itself from the equation

14:41:05 mircea_popescu: so you think.

14:41:24 mircea_popescu: it's a social behaviour, music. technology gets removed out of the equation all the damned time.

14:41:50 Vexual: i sure as shit dont pandora or whatever

14:42:16 mircea_popescu: ;;google katajjaq

14:42:17 gribble: Inuit throat singing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_throat_singing; Inuit Katajjaq (Throat Singing) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bCWVSUhNt8; Katajjaq - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUq3_vYVEmc

14:42:33 mircea_popescu: that's your future. a million people all doing a million weird things like ancient inuit "revivals" and so on.

14:42:36 mircea_popescu: it's that phase.

14:42:38 nubbins`: that was weird.

14:42:42 *: nubbins` eyes new RAM suspiciously

14:43:19 thickasthieves: yep and nakye west featuring throat-singer selling $10m

14:43:40 nubbins`: tanya tagaq?!

14:43:46 nubbins`: she won polaris this year

14:43:54 thickasthieves: rather $500m, after hyperinflation

14:44:07 mats_cd03: i thought the whole thing about kanye and the handicapped folks at his concert was hilarious

14:44:11 nubbins`: thickasthieves:so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no? << uh, this already happened?

14:44:17 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nah listen, these promotion things, are their own promotion thing. take inna, some romanian ex-highschool ho. got promoted for a summer.

14:44:21 mircea_popescu: take britney, a fine example.

14:44:30 mircea_popescu: these aren't artists and they aren't selling anything.

14:44:37 Vexual: $500m? ill use fluffyponys' exclaimation

14:44:50 mircea_popescu: it's like imagining the talking heads are the owners of the network. no, they're just hired labour. like the janitors, exactly.

14:44:54 mircea_popescu: the network is a different story.

14:44:59 thickasthieves: nubbins` well we're left with apple and the streamers still

14:45:23 mircea_popescu: yeah , but it's not really music, that

14:45:30 mircea_popescu: just like hot topic isn't really social commentary

14:45:38 mircea_popescu: it's just packaging, for to sell an actual product.

14:45:41 nubbins`: not so. there's a very vibrant music scene here locally as well as nationally. i can listen to this country's best music without ever listening to anything that's signed to a major label

14:45:50 thickasthieves: yknow in america, things really are less logical than you guys realize

14:45:51 mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly my point.

14:46:04 nubbins`: "music as a product" and "music actual humans with taste listen to" are two completely different things

14:46:10 thickasthieves: people pay $10/m to like 3 streaming services just cuz it's affordable and convenient and fuckit

14:46:12 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves notrly. they only appear to be, to the people captive.

14:46:17 nubbins`: this harkens back to the discussion about art we had some time ago

14:46:21 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves but they pay TO THE SERVICES

14:46:31 nubbins`: people want to capitalize the M, make it Music (tm) instead of music

14:46:32 thickasthieves: yes. i was proposing a service

14:46:33 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CL6n0FJZpk

14:46:37 mircea_popescu: the "artists" get jack, and the idea that they're selling anything is ludicrous

14:46:57 thickasthieves: i wasnt proposing solving the slavery issue of artists

14:47:02 nubbins`: protip: artists don't make money selling music, they make money doing everything else related to it but that

14:47:13 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you sounded like you were, at least to me.

14:47:16 nubbins`: there's a reason leonard cohen's t-shirts cost more than his albums

14:47:17 thickasthieves: i was proposing the service to bitcoinize and decentralization control of purchased music

14:47:23 mircea_popescu: so what are you proposing, ways for apple to optimize its being apple ?

14:47:29 mircea_popescu: you're in no position to do that, are you now.

14:47:40 Vexual: dre made more money off his back cat than his headphones, he just likes new moeny

14:47:42 thickasthieves: or ways to bite into apple's apple by being hipper

14:47:59 mircea_popescu: lol this is like talking to dank.

14:48:00 mircea_popescu: dude.

14:48:01 thickasthieves: hip enough to sell out to yc or whatever

14:48:04 nubbins`: Vexual dre is an anomaly

14:48:14 Vexual: hes boss

14:48:22 thickasthieves: ok lets relaz and realize i'm just sharing a thought,

14:48:29 thickasthieves: i'm not selling the farm to save music

14:48:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` protip << yeah i said it above too, but somehow it dun stick.

14:48:33 nubbins`: he also made more money as a producer than as an artist

14:48:47 Vexual: producer=producer

14:48:53 nubbins`: you know how much money dick surgery made selling albums?

14:48:54 nubbins`: $5

14:48:58 thickasthieves: lol

14:49:01 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves that's not the problem. the problem is that you're insistent on discussing the topic on insanely unrelated priors.

14:49:02 nubbins`: you know how much dick surgery made selling t-shirts?

14:49:06 nubbins`: hundreds

14:49:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you owning the rights, ocourse

14:49:16 nubbins`: NATCH

14:49:25 mircea_popescu: the fucking point im making to him, already.

14:49:36 mircea_popescu: promotion business is a promoter's business. has jack shit to do with music.

14:49:41 nubbins`: people have fucked ideas about rights

14:49:43 mircea_popescu: they'd be selling aluminum siding just as well if they felt like it

14:49:59 Vexual: this cats got the patent too

14:50:00 nubbins`: how many times have people paid me to design something, and then ask if it's okay for them to use it for X in the future

14:50:04 nubbins`: fucking of course it's okay!!!

14:50:09 nubbins`: you paid for it! it's yours!

14:50:27 nubbins`: the fact that this surprises people is fucked

14:50:31 thickasthieves: u guys never let me just kickstartify decentralizationed ideas anymore

14:50:41 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves it's because we love you.

14:50:54 nubbins`: ;;google coolio library site:bitcointalk.org

14:50:54 gribble: The collective Mastercoin-explorer, Mastercoin-ruby and Mastercoin ...: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=324102.55;wap2; The collective Mastercoin-explorer, Mastercoin-ruby ... - Bitcoin Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=324102.0;all; About KNCMiner - Bitcoin Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228068.0;all

14:50:58 nubbins`: bah fuck

14:51:12 nubbins`: anyway there was a few jackasses who wanted to buy coolio's back catalogue with btc

14:51:15 nubbins`: for some reason

14:51:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` lemme tell you something. i grew up in a world where owning the words was implicit. so i neatly expect any system ever devised to recognise my sovereign right to use any word i fucking choose. period.

14:51:24 Vexual: i remeber that

14:51:31 mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters

14:51:37 Vexual: i almost said something

14:51:41 mircea_popescu: to them it seems fucking natural they may use the words they're licensed to use

14:51:51 nubbins`: hear the sounds they're licensed to hear

14:51:53 mircea_popescu: and just like that, we can't live in the same world, ever.

14:52:03 asciilifeform: pay per click!

14:52:16 nubbins`: turns out mouse costumes are cheaper than billy-clubs

14:52:17 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1PXRiVoJw its half a good idea

14:52:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and speaking of which... anyone's given a look at the internet, recently ?

14:52:26 mircea_popescu: the whole thing is like 500 sites, not even 1k

14:52:42 mircea_popescu: people who came of age in the 90s imagine this is still that unlimited field of endlessness, and long tails and all that.

14:52:43 asciilifeform: a. belayev's 'the air seller.'

14:52:43 nubbins`: 500 even seems a lot

14:52:49 mircea_popescu: forget it. that thing's dead. for years now.

14:52:55 asciilifeform: ;;google the air seller

14:52:56 gribble: The Air Seller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Air_Seller; Amazon Best Sellers: Best Home Air Purifiers - Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Home-Kitchen-Air-Purifiers/zgbs/home-garden/267554011; Amazon Best Sellers: Best Home Heating & Air Conditioning: http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Books-Home-Heating-Air- (1 more message)

14:53:05 nubbins`: turns out amazon is the air seller.

14:53:06 Vexual: bc was about 60 bux then

14:53:17 mircea_popescu: stuff like "net neutrality" aren't occuring in a vacuum. people have in fact managed to narrow it enough that by now managing sites on a per site basis is fewasible, just like channels on cable

14:53:20 nubbins`: Vexual costly :o

14:53:28 Vexual: :)

14:53:29 mircea_popescu: THAT is why the telcos want a slice of the pie. because google and co managed to fuck the internet

14:53:37 mircea_popescu: and now it will be taken from them .as it fucking should.

14:53:57 mircea_popescu: fail to support an ecosystem, be eaten by your upstream provider.

14:54:01 mircea_popescu: there's always an upstream.

14:54:12 nubbins`: hurricane electric!

14:54:26 nubbins`: hm, i wonder do they still run an EFNet server

14:55:14 mircea_popescu: and obviously, nobody will be there to notice the fucking lesson, or put in plain words google's fundamental strategic failure

14:55:28 mircea_popescu: because strategists are about five in the whole world all told and the other four are doing military stuff.

14:55:54 Vexual: if you see me pick up a gun, shootme

14:55:55 mircea_popescu: as far as everyone's concerned, google's a bucnh of geniuses. that they managed to fuck their market, well... that's just an accident.

14:56:10 mircea_popescu: "nobody could have foreseen" etc.

14:56:18 asciilifeform: 'UNLESS.'

14:56:40 mircea_popescu: forget it, it's like asking a dog to relate cause and effect across a week

14:56:56 mircea_popescu: the dog's memory is good for minutes, and his representative bubble can't exceed that.

14:57:46 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

14:57:48 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 346.02, Best ask: 347.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 346.0, 24 hour volume: 24021.20783683, 24 hour low: 321.98, 24 hour high: 348.89, 24 hour vwap: 335.074128774

14:57:49 thickasthieves: lalala

14:59:27 nubbins`: not bad

14:59:31 nubbins`: i'm still in the money like MAD

14:59:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of unless. on a scale of 1 to 10, just how transparent is the ef-deer = fdr reference ?

14:59:46 asciilifeform: 9

14:59:59 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha

14:59:59 asciilifeform: but maybe that's just me

15:00:10 mircea_popescu: i fear to find what may be 1 on your scale :D

15:01:07 asciilifeform: 1, idk, private key of fellow who i don't even know is alive, eh

15:01:47 mircea_popescu: you never taught, have you ?

15:01:54 asciilifeform: not pro, no

15:02:20 nubbins`: heh

15:02:38 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXewIR7Y7cc

15:02:50 mircea_popescu: i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it.

15:03:03 asciilifeform: ahaha various people told me this.

15:03:34 mircea_popescu: it's just... human head dun work so well.

15:05:41 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it. << Ever the optimist

15:06:24 mircea_popescu: heh.

15:08:38 Vexual: this aint school

15:08:53 Vexual: esta real life

15:10:00 Vexual: youll only get points for saying something cool if its really fucking cool

15:10:23 Vexual: outta sight cool

15:10:30 mircea_popescu: and if you don't, they dock ya.

15:10:41 Vexual: aint that the truth

15:12:44 nubbins`_: and ya don't get to whine

15:12:45 mircea_popescu: anyway, thinking about it, i suppose that's the one, true, original classifier. not money nor "knowledge" nor anything else, but simply the contest of what is and what is not obvious.

15:12:47 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYfOnQF5S88

15:12:51 mircea_popescu: it splits people up into classes.

15:13:58 Vexual: ive only reclently reaslised how much i need to explain

15:14:36 Vexual: i think i did university wrongly

15:15:02 nubbins`: who didn't

15:19:01 Vexual: well im sure i never scool any eaasy reader as well as mircea_popescu did

15:21:02 Vexual: and i was writing on genetics, so i coulda

15:27:00 Vexual: i sat in on law and classics

15:27:30 Vexual: critical thought

15:28:34 Vexual: i ocassionally mistook cell works for finance

15:29:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 103 @ 0.12577836 = 12.9552 BTC [-] {6}

15:30:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.14949999 = 0.7475 BTC [+] {2}

15:30:48 Vexual: but i never lerned nothin like physics

15:31:02 Vexual: its the biz

15:31:32 Vexual: science of science

15:32:48 Vexual: im too old to lurk into lectures now

15:34:07 Vexual: but i do it anyway

15:34:46 Vexual: i even out my hand up wuth mart arse answers every once in a while

15:35:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00074765 = 10.7288 BTC [+] {2}

15:35:49 nubbins`: i thought it was the science of math

15:35:52 Vexual: !up diana_coman

15:35:58 Vexual: physics?

15:36:01 nubbins`: yeah

15:36:22 nubbins`: it's all just applied math

15:36:23 Vexual: its maths and phiolosphy in a special ball of yummy

15:36:34 nubbins`: the philosophy is a step removed, hidden within the math

15:36:55 Vexual: yeah its visa vera too

15:37:08 Vexual: its where math meets every other science

15:37:37 Vexual: what kinda math do you do?

15:39:00 Vexual: are you satoshi?

15:39:24 nubbins`: what i studied was the branch known as "pure mathematics", which is a bit more on the esoteric side and a bit less on the practical

15:40:31 Vexual: practical in astro belive it or not

15:40:39 nubbins`: passing down the fundamentals so that others may rest easy that the math they use makes sense, if you will

15:41:11 mircea_popescu: !up Sweete__

15:41:19 Sweete__: thk:)

15:41:55 mircea_popescu: sure.

15:42:56 Vexual: hi Sweete__

15:43:18 Sweete__: hi

15:44:07 Vexual: whats with the __ ??

15:44:31 Vexual: you a lowrider or something?

15:44:48 Sweete__: ok

15:44:58 Vexual: or was sweete taken?

15:45:09 Sweete__: taken

15:45:10 Sweete__: L(

15:45:13 Sweete__: :(

15:45:16 Vexual: lol

15:45:33 Vexual: whats your story?

15:45:47 thickasthieves: we're gonna hit 360 today it seems

15:45:52 Sweete__: long story

15:46:08 Vexual: werea ll youngish here

15:46:21 thickasthieves: and we're all here for the stories

15:46:24 Vexual: ;;google bitcoinity

15:46:24 gribble: 0.337 USD/mBTC - Bitcoinity.org: http://bitcoinity.org/markets; Bitcoinity.org: https://bitcoinity.org/; Bitcoin prices - Bitcoinity.org: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/mtgox/USD

15:46:59 mircea_popescu: one short of leet.

15:47:25 diana_coman: I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader

15:47:28 nubbins`: i'm here for the focused dialogue

15:47:57 Sweete__: 350 on stamp

15:48:09 thickasthieves: yep, should go down in a min

15:48:20 thickasthieves: bad wordchoice

15:48:25 Sweete__: yep

15:48:26 thickasthieves: the wall will be eaten

15:49:13 thickasthieves: sweet__ you daytrade btcusd and/or?

15:49:15 mircea_popescu: going down and eating ?

15:49:19 Sweete__: same

15:49:32 thickasthieves: eat dem walls!

15:49:34 thickasthieves: hehe

15:49:40 Vexual: mircea_popescu: i wish

15:50:31 Vexual: mornin' ben_vulpes

15:52:21 thickasthieves: Ben Fox

15:52:38 Vexual: ;;ticker

15:52:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 349.92, Best ask: 350.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 351.9, 24 hour volume: 25157.95476558, 24 hour low: 325.79, 24 hour high: 351.9, 24 hour vwap: 336.206253808

15:52:47 thickasthieves: I'm John Oak

15:54:36 mircea_popescu: better than woody allen...

15:55:27 Vexual: better than deep throat

15:55:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 975 @ 0.00061997 = 0.6045 BTC [+] {3}

15:56:10 ben_vulpes: morning, vex, thickasthieves, mircea_popescu

15:56:11 Vexual: tenny

15:56:21 ben_vulpes: ah that's a new one

15:56:24 ben_vulpes: what are you doing up so early?

15:56:29 nubbins`: so late

15:56:32 ben_vulpes: slash late

15:56:40 ben_vulpes: so out of your normal cycle

15:57:23 TomServo: ben_vulpes nubbins` just noticed you guys have notes waiting on other nicks

15:57:41 nubbins`: nothing important, i hope

15:57:45 nubbins`: speeling = improtant

15:58:06 nubbins`: ;;notes nubbins

15:58:06 gribble: Sent 6 days, 23 hours, and 15 minutes ago: <DoctorBTC> Got the print. Nice!

15:58:19 ben_vulpes: ;;notes benkay

15:58:19 gribble: Sent 3 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, and 25 minutes ago: <bitstein> I finally wrote the scammer article. http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/everyones-a-scammer/

15:58:28 ben_vulpes: everyone writes one

15:59:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.53046316 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 307 satoshi per share

16:01:40 nubbins`:

16:01:45 nubbins`: imagine

16:02:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7841 @ 0.0007459 = 5.8486 BTC [-]

16:03:21 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.8348731 BTC. Current weight: 64,123.

16:03:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.12183110 BTC to 15`465 shares, 7254 satoshi per share

16:03:44 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wESgcExetso philipino!

16:09:41 Vexual: hey duffer

16:11:08 Duffer1: hey man

16:13:35 Vexual: got any treasure for me?

16:13:56 Vexual: i need a fucking mission

16:14:21 Duffer1: i wish man :(

16:16:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8alNxLjCBJc

16:19:11 Duffer1: ha

16:20:41 ben_vulpes: Vexual: what do you do with yourself anyways?

16:21:04 Vexual: i generally work in managerial positions

16:23:02 ben_vulpes: o.O

16:23:15 Vexual: yeah don't ask coz i dunno

16:24:45 Vexual: grave robbing, trading, all the fun stuff

16:25:12 nubbins`: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/08/spanish-nurse-says-she-has-no-idea-how-she-got-ebola-as-her-family-fights-for-their-dogs-life/

16:25:12 assbot: Spanish nurse with Ebola may have touched her face with a glove - The Washington Post

16:25:21 nubbins`: "It's not that the suits fail; it's that people fail when they take it off."

16:25:26 Vexual: she may well ahve

16:25:35 Vexual: no shit

16:25:59 Vexual: you don't fuck about with ebola

16:26:31 Vexual: its sad

16:26:58 Vexual: the sadder thin is they aren't quarantining the people she met

16:27:21 Vexual: you only get one chance to stop that shit

16:28:38 nubbins`: well they're gonna kill her dog, that's something

16:28:44 Vexual: dead

16:28:45 asciilifeform: obola must spread - orders from ebama.

16:28:50 Vexual: already

16:29:03 Vexual: lol youre typing like me ascii

16:32:38 Vexual: whole crew is here

16:33:13 Vexual: how long til you're dining on roo pete?

16:34:31 pete_dushenski: Vexual: 2 months :)

16:35:05 pete_dushenski: so now i'm not so sure which gavin is the real gavin on contravex...

16:35:11 Vexual: wow, full price tickets

16:35:28 pete_dushenski: compare http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30333 and http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-29533

16:35:29 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

16:35:29 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

16:35:31 Vexual: lol

16:36:07 Vexual: diff

16:36:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00074526 = 39.2007 BTC [-] {2}

16:36:17 pete_dushenski: different fucking email addresses, different fucking website urls

16:37:02 Vexual: im thinking of getting some stamps in my passport, asny suggestions?

16:37:59 pete_dushenski: somalia

16:38:07 Vexual: really?

16:38:09 pete_dushenski: i hear it's a country

16:38:26 Vexual: dont be a wank hole

16:39:25 Vexual: i dont want to get on a terrorist list

16:40:16 mats_cd03: depends what you want to do

16:40:20 Vexual: cheeky fucker

16:40:37 mats_cd03: want to join the global jihad?

16:40:41 nubbins`: if you float down the rio tambopata in peru they will give you a special stamp

16:40:44 Vexual: i was thinkinking learning russian

16:40:47 pete_dushenski: Vexual what makes you think you aren't already?

16:40:55 nubbins`: there's a lodge run by a french lady about 3 hours out of puerto maldonado

16:40:57 Vexual: oh i am

16:41:02 pete_dushenski: so

16:41:16 Vexual: so dont tell me 2 months

16:41:21 pete_dushenski: it's not like they're going to write you name in pen now

16:41:45 Vexual: fart you

16:41:54 pete_dushenski: ;)

16:41:58 Vexual: :)

16:42:01 thickasthieves: vexual well what kinda places do you like?

16:42:17 Vexual: i like spicy food

16:42:26 Vexual: and crazy people

16:42:36 thickasthieves: brazil?

16:42:37 Vexual: or vodka

16:43:15 Vexual: yeah they tend to sit if cafs and play monopoly

16:43:26 Vexual: ive been there

16:43:30 thickasthieves: word

16:43:36 thickasthieves: visit mp

16:43:49 Vexual: no ne is scary

16:44:06 Vexual: and wed have nothing to talk about

16:44:16 thickasthieves: lol

16:44:26 Vexual: i havent read evry book

16:44:36 thickasthieves: he'd be glad to explain them to you

16:46:39 pete_dushenski: spicy food + crazy people = jamaica

16:47:09 Vexual: bankok is closer

16:48:39 pete_dushenski: sri lanka too

16:49:12 mircea_popescu: jamaica is al sluts i hear

16:49:33 pete_dushenski: "I have never owned much Bitcoin. I give away or spend what I buy. I am not a hoarder of Bitcoin. I don’t care about that aspect of Bitcoin, although many (most?) do. I care about it as programmable money."

16:49:49 Vexual: oh sluts is good

16:49:55 pete_dushenski: http://avc.com/2014/10/bitcoin-price-and-promise/

16:49:55 assbot: Bitcoin – Price and Promise AVC

16:50:15 pete_dushenski: ^fred wilson

16:51:31 Vexual: never bin srilanka

16:52:07 pete_dushenski: me neither, nor do i even know anyone who has.

16:55:25 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/519893536024829954

16:55:27 assbot: Compare http://t.co/0O9eSXI6c9 and http://t.co/SRrLv5suZH. Now will the real /gavinandresen please stand up? Lol comments need PGP sigs...

16:55:27 Vexual: yes, fuck islam, i'll go to heaven with all the sluts

16:55:49 Vexual: whos go with virgins anyway?

16:57:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20907 @ 0.00074361 = 15.5467 BTC [-] {2}

16:57:37 thickasthieves: fred wilson, bullwhale

16:59:19 Vexual: i mean, seriously, c'mon

17:00:33 Vexual: indonesia

17:01:19 Vexual: i speak the lingo and they'll keep me sober

17:02:45 Vexual: and theres a direct flight to moscow if i want a oroper city

17:04:13 punkman: Vexual: been to istanbul?

17:04:35 Vexual: no

17:04:48 Vexual: ive prolly flown over

17:05:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGF_0AcHaGs

17:05:49 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ? << best dish i had in lithuania was wild boar. paired with pears!

17:06:44 Vexual: sounds french

17:07:14 pete_dushenski: it was vilnian like a villain

17:08:04 thickasthieves: indonesia wants dem free bitcoins http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=free%20bitcoin&date=1%2F2014%2012m&cmpt=q

17:08:05 assbot: Google Trends

17:08:38 Vexual: bali got a fuckton from oldmate

17:09:11 Vexual: well.75 of a ton

17:09:26 Vexual: a reasonable fuck

17:10:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7593 @ 0.00074288 = 5.6407 BTC [-]

17:11:16 BingoBoingo: http://weev.livejournal.com/409913.html

17:11:17 assbot: weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid. #gamergate #adainitiative #histrionics

17:13:33 asciilifeform: i still don't grok 'doxing'

17:13:42 asciilifeform: how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ?

17:14:29 Vexual: well you give a name and adress

17:14:53 Vexual: documents, not dirt

17:15:20 Vexual: it is what it is

17:15:37 Vexual: oh you dont like it? me nmeither

17:16:40 mats_cd03: 'dox' broadly means making people vulnerable to democratic violence

17:16:45 Vexual: anywy, imma see what jamaica is like

17:17:21 Vexual: or somewhere else

17:17:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: People like to imagine all pseudonyms are hard even though there's a difference on the scale of Dr. Seuss to Deep Throat

17:17:25 asciilifeform: so i imagine there's an implication of incitement of lynch mob, not merely 'mr x lives on 123 fuckme street, ny.' etc ?

17:18:16 mats_cd03: yes

17:18:26 mats_cd03: as well as vulnerability to things like swatting

17:18:57 mats_cd03: some corporations are also known to allow purchase orders with charge on delivery

17:19:26 BingoBoingo: Like pizza companis

17:19:30 mats_cd03: dox can make it feasible to dump piles of e.g. office supplies

17:19:47 mats_cd03: and then force that individual to engage in legal proceedings or whathaveyou

17:20:14 mats_cd03: doxing someone can be devastating if they have assets.

17:21:04 asciilifeform: all of this works solely because scarcely anyone pulls the trick.

17:21:11 asciilifeform: as described in recent mircea_popescu post

17:21:44 mats_cd03: the day is nigh.

17:23:12 BingoBoingo: !up X-Rob

17:23:28 X-Rob: Morning BingoBoingo

17:23:36 BingoBoingo: Morning Rob

17:27:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00074766 = 13.0467 BTC [+] {2}

17:36:18 pete_dushenski: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30431

17:36:19 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

17:36:35 pete_dushenski: ^my reply to the other "gavin"

17:36:54 pete_dushenski: those duplicitous derps...

17:38:54 mircea_popescu: !up jacoblyles

17:39:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ? << there's a lot you don't know.

17:39:53 mircea_popescu: ;;google PW:RN

17:39:53 gribble: Anita Somplasky, RN CHTS-CP CHTS-PW | LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/anita-somplasky-rn-chts-cp-chts-pw/15/717/155; Susan C. Benfield RN, BA CHTS-CP, CHTS-PW | LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/susancbenfield; USGS Professional Pages - Paul Seelbach: https://profile.usgs.gov/pseelbach

17:40:19 mircea_popescu: there's this innate "fear", i suppose, among the primitive, illiterate hordes as to the magical power of names.

17:40:20 BingoBoingo: http://drugs.gawker.com/have-you-ever-been-too-high-to-lie-1643086212 << Too high to lie defense

17:40:21 assbot: Have You Ever Been Too High to Lie?

17:40:28 mircea_popescu: because that's how shamanic "thinking" works.

17:40:47 mircea_popescu: and since the result of libertard "education" is an unprecedented headcount of illiterate cattle all over the west...

17:40:54 asciilifeform: ;;google true names and other dangers

17:40:55 gribble: True Names...and Other Dangers: Vernor Vinge: 9780671653637 ...: http://www.amazon.com/Names-Other-Dangers-Vernor-Vinge/dp/0671653636; True Names - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Names; True Names... and Other Dangers by Vernor Vinge — Reviews ...: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/321005.True_Names_and_Other_Dangers

17:41:00 asciilifeform: ^ original turd on the subject

17:41:00 mircea_popescu: there you go. saying someone's name is a potentially dangerous, magical activity.

17:41:11 mircea_popescu: fucking natives, these people.

17:41:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.

17:41:43 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why. << better this way. both losses and profits are socialized unlike tbtf american cos.

17:42:18 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i was being very very facetious

17:42:59 pete_dushenski: lolk

17:43:09 mircea_popescu: o look, ed went to shit meanwhile. anyway, they had a decent article on this power word : real name thing, a decade ago

17:43:35 asciilifeform: https://worldtracker.org/media/library/English%20Literature/V/Vinge,%20Vernor/Vernor%20Vinge%20-%20True%20Names.pdf

17:45:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so in the end, it turns out you did know it, just, didn't realise how stupid the average derp is ?

17:46:05 asciilifeform: 'In the once upon a time days of the First Age of Magic, the prudent sorcerer regarded his own true name as his most valued possession but also the greatest threat to his continued good health, for -- the stories go -- once an enemy, even a weak unskilled enemy, learned the sorcerer's true name, then routine and widely known spells could destroy or enslave even the most powerful. As times passed, and we graduat

17:46:05 asciilifeform: ed to the Age of Reason and thence to the first and second industrial revolutions, such notions were discredited. Now it seems that the Wheel has turned full circle (even if there never really was a First Age) and we are back to worrying about true names again...'

17:46:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this requires special modes of thought - like reasoning about how small is electron, or how large - galaxy

17:47:06 mircea_popescu: except they're not modes of thought, they're modes of feeling.

17:47:14 mircea_popescu: anyone spending enough time daydreaming develops them

17:47:35 mircea_popescu: this in stark opposition with thought, where simply spending time doing addition does not automatically qualify one for analysis say

17:47:47 *: asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)

17:48:03 mircea_popescu: that's two bit.

17:48:12 asciilifeform: no, four.

17:48:13 jurov: ever had all 4 set?

17:48:19 asciilifeform: can set any combo.

17:48:24 mircea_popescu: wait you can have them concurrent ?

17:48:28 asciilifeform: sure.

17:48:30 mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ?

17:48:42 asciilifeform: you of all people should know

17:48:48 mircea_popescu: "if i could be bothered to stand up i'd bugger you" ?

17:49:13 asciilifeform: that'd be just 'sloth' bit

17:49:35 mircea_popescu: isn;'t the sloth merely "if i could be bothered to stand up" ?

17:49:38 asciilifeform: with just gate noise of 'lust'

17:49:44 mircea_popescu: aha

17:50:13 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> how's slotful lust ? <+asciilifeform> you of all people should know <<< my sides

17:50:14 mircea_popescu: "i'm too lazy to go out and pick something up so i'ma troll livejournal for gmaxwell's girlfriend" ?

17:50:39 mircea_popescu: shit my client automatically expands wikiwhale to gmaxwell's girlfriend ;/

17:51:45 mircea_popescu: <jurov> ever had all 4 set? << this'd be interesting.

17:53:53 nubbins`: speaking of all 4 sets, the mint sent me an email

17:53:58 nubbins`: 1 sec

17:54:14 nubbins`: not available to public yet, gotta screenshot

17:55:32 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/iQWF6MQ.png

17:55:53 nubbins`: minted by -- no kidding -- the country of Niue

17:56:33 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters << different is bad and not nice and trolling and mysogyracist! poor fucking kids...

17:56:58 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: neat

17:57:20 nubbins`: neat indeed. pretty fuckin costly for 1oz of silver in a plastic box tho

17:58:30 pete_dushenski: but… pnumanism!

17:58:47 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/v6m9yTy.png

17:59:05 nubbins`: actually lame as shit irl

18:00:47 mircea_popescu: kinda lame yeah.

18:00:54 mircea_popescu: pocket protectors included ?

18:01:17 nubbins`: right?

18:01:35 nubbins`: (C) 1935, 2013 HASBRO

18:01:39 nubbins`: "cool coin, man"

18:02:08 nubbins`: "they really licensed the shit out of that logo"

18:02:46 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: everyone writes one << everyone with a blog and a brain.

18:04:55 thestringpuller: "i still have no idea what y.all are talking about.

18:04:55 thestringpuller: You do know that no matter how large the block, only the 80-byte block header is hashed?

18:04:58 thestringpuller: If you are just trolling, then kudos, you got my attention for about three minutes."

18:05:23 thestringpuller: How does the chief scientist not realize increasing block size increases burden on full nodes?

18:07:20 nubbins`: such comment, many vitriol

18:07:39 nubbins`: thestringpuller any satisfaction with usps?

18:12:03 mthreat: mircea_popescu: coffee chat today - Igor (the baexpat forum owner) will be there. http://baexpats.org/topic/31648-coffee-chat-wed-8-oct-2014-4-7pm-barrio-norte/

18:12:04 assbot: Coffee Chat - Wed 8 Oct 2014, 4-7Pm (Barrio Norte) - Expat Events - Buenos Aires Expats Group

18:12:33 mthreat: mircea_popescu: in case you want to confront him about bitcoin posts on the forum (that seemed to be filtered at one point)

18:13:57 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: o gavin knows very well.

18:14:11 pete_dushenski: he's just playing it up for the crowd.

18:14:57 pete_dushenski: very much like a magician who distracts the crowd with a joke or a pretty lady while the trap door opens.

18:15:31 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker

18:15:33 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 345.57, Best ask: 345.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 345.57, 24 hour volume: 26823.95596431, 24 hour low: 325.79, 24 hour high: 354.18, 24 hour vwap: 339.577546866

18:24:57 thestringpuller: nubbins`: not yet I gotta go to the local office today once I feel like not being lazy and get some real clothes on.

18:25:14 thestringpuller: !up go1111111

18:25:21 thestringpuller: ;;ident

18:25:21 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.

18:25:34 nubbins`: !down thestringpuller

18:25:37 nubbins`: my sides

18:26:51 thestringpuller: !up go1111111

18:27:17 go1111111: thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule

18:27:43 BingoBoingo: go1111111: 50% a year is non-trivial

18:28:02 go1111111: regarding CPU power, the ASICS that are doing the hashing are not the same resource that would add a transaction. a general CPU would be doing that, which would otherwise be sitting idle

18:28:19 thestringpuller: mining isn't the issue

18:28:24 BingoBoingo: go1111111: I'm talking bandwidth

18:28:26 nubbins`: what specifically is the issue

18:28:27 thestringpuller: it's the decentralization of full nodes

18:28:34 nubbins`: 1TB hard drives not cheap enough for ya?

18:28:49 thestringpuller: the higher bandwidth necessary to run a full node over time T will force the centralization of nodes

18:28:52 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Keeping full nodes in sync

18:29:02 go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about

18:29:16 thestringpuller: so then why up 50% a year and not leave the block size alone?

18:29:19 nubbins`: how about some hard numbers? what sort of bandwidth are you guys talking about?

18:29:31 thestringpuller: if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given

18:29:50 BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given << This

18:30:17 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Gavin hasn't proposed a hard number where he wants to start 50% annual increases from.

18:30:22 thestringpuller: ;;google average bandwidth in north america

18:30:23 gribble: Netflix Remains King of Bandwidth Usage, While YouTube Declines ...: http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/netflix-youtube-bandwidth-usage-1201179643/; Report: Average U.S. Broadband Prices Are Below World Average ...: http://www.telecompetitor.com/report-average-u-s-broadband-prices-are-below-world-average-of-76-61/; Measuring Broadband America - February 2013 | FCC.gov: (1 more message)

18:30:44 go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome

18:30:55 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: okay, so when people say "bandwidth is the thing to be concerned about", do they have numbers in mind or is just a wank?

18:31:09 thestringpuller: go1111111: now you're off topic.

18:31:12 nubbins`: why am i asking you?

18:31:15 Apocalyptic: go1111111, doing 1 thing pretty good is plenty enough

18:31:18 nubbins`: go1111111: do you have numbers in mind or is it just a wank?

18:31:44 Apocalyptic: but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome // what is it with people always wanting the same thing to "do a lot more" ?

18:32:03 nubbins`: Apocalyptic it worked for bucky

18:32:18 go1111111: thestringpuller: you're asking "why up 50% a year?". my reply directly addressed that. Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go, and it requires lots of transaction processing capability

18:32:33 thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc

18:33:06 nubbins`: you're just throwing random numbers together in a sentence

18:33:25 thestringpuller: go1111111: you can do that without forcing centralization due to resource scarcity...

18:33:32 nubbins`: nobody's talking about average internet speed increasing by 50% a year

18:33:49 thestringpuller: he's talking about block size going up 50% a year because of bandwidth "doubling" every year

18:33:52 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: It's an assumption Gavin takes into account

18:34:01 thestringpuller: nubbins`: ^

18:34:11 nubbins`: okay, sure. seems like a fair assumption

18:34:18 nubbins`: i've been sitting on 50mbit for a couple years now

18:34:33 nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?

18:34:40 thestringpuller: it is

18:34:46 thestringpuller: US average bandwidth is 10Mbit

18:34:52 nubbins`: note that usa is not a first world country

18:34:57 thestringpuller: OKAY

18:35:02 nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?

18:35:04 thestringpuller: I'll give you that

18:35:25 nubbins`: how much bandwidth does a full node chew right now?

18:35:25 thestringpuller: So you want to centralize all the full nodes to first world countries?

18:35:36 nubbins`: thestringpuller: you want to stop it?

18:35:50 nubbins`: o noes, somalia can't run a full node

18:36:07 go1111111: thestringpuller: Bitcoin still could be extremely decentralized if full nodes were limited to 1st world countries

18:36:33 nubbins`: ^

18:36:59 thestringpuller: very possibly, but that still doesn't solve the issue of forcing more burden on the full nodes.

18:37:20 thestringpuller: starting a full node as of now isn't trivial. ask BingoBoingo how long it took to start one from scratch as of this summer.

18:38:00 nubbins`: BingoBoingo, how long did it take you to start a node from scratch as of this summer?

18:38:01 go1111111: most of the burden now is that it's very cumbersome, not that the resources required are expensive

18:38:16 go1111111: that's a software issue

18:38:52 nubbins`: so to run a full node, you'd be expected to dick around with software a little bit and have a first-world internet connection

18:38:56 nubbins`: imagine, the horror

18:39:50 chetty: internet is pretty darn good most places, only place I ever had much of an issue the deserts of Egypt

18:40:05 nubbins`: so there goes that argument

18:40:13 nubbins`: why precisely are we whining about block size?

18:41:13 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, you're actually in favour of the increase ?

18:41:19 thestringpuller: i'm almost certain if you increase the blocksize to great too soon, full nodes will drop off...

18:41:28 nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know.

18:41:29 thestringpuller: just like when diff goes too high miners drop off

18:41:53 nubbins`: no, when diff goes high miners upgrade

18:41:59 thestringpuller: not always!

18:42:00 nubbins`: children with mining hardware drop off

18:42:17 thestringpuller: they are the first but not the last

18:42:26 nubbins`: why in the fuck would someone turn off their node over a block size increase?

18:43:06 nubbins`: it doesn't make sensr

18:43:24 thestringpuller: because it consumes too many resources as is.

18:43:30 nubbins`: "my cpu, disk space, bandwidth are still orders of magnitude more than what this requires... better pull the plug over ideological reasons"

18:43:44 nubbins`: bullshit it does

18:43:53 Apocalyptic: for one it removes the upper linear bound on the storage space needed to store the whole chain

18:44:03 thestringpuller: my full node runs on a computer circa 2004, it barely can chug.

18:44:23 thestringpuller: lets take a look at top and see what bitcoind is consuming

18:44:33 thestringpuller: oh wow 2 gigs of memory

18:44:53 go1111111: so you're saying it's more like "I'm going to stop mining now because maybe in 10 years mining will be unprofitable, depending on the trajectory of computer resource costs"

18:45:12 go1111111: mining = running a full node, i mean

18:45:34 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, the blocksize limit also incudes a lot of economic consequences regarding transactions and fees

18:47:31 thestringpuller: go1111111: well. consider you are mining now at negative profit margins because diff is too high. You can upgrade and go further into the hole and hope to god you make your money back. Or you can cut your losses and move on with your life.

18:48:39 go1111111: smaller blocksizes tend to increase the fee required to get in a block. lower fees seem preferable. the only case i can see where you wouldn't want smaller fees is when network security was based heavily on fees, but that won't be the case for a while

18:49:14 thestringpuller: again if you want nice things you need to pay for them...

18:49:22 Apocalyptic: ^

18:49:40 thestringpuller: what is all this socialist shit..."free stuff I didn't work for"

18:50:12 nubbins`: "poor people should be able to run a node"

18:50:21 thestringpuller: I never said that!

18:50:43 nubbins`: nobody did :D

18:50:50 go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. that's what nubbins and I have been arguing. the extra "niceness" you want is a trivial savings in abundant computer resources

18:51:14 nubbins`: maybe you need a computer that was built after 2004 if you want to run a node

18:51:16 nubbins`: it's not a lot to ask

18:51:26 thestringpuller: It isn't. But when does it stop?

18:51:32 nubbins`: it doesn't

18:51:38 thestringpuller: Then we need computers build specifically for full nodes?

18:51:44 nubbins`: eventually

18:51:52 thestringpuller: Then only certain individuals can run full nodes?

18:51:57 nubbins`: already this is the case

18:52:17 thestringpuller: For mining perhaps (capital expenditure) but not for full nodes, which is a more frightening scenario...

18:52:38 nubbins`: yes, for full nodes. do you have any idea how many people in the world don't have a "spare computer"?

18:53:06 thestringpuller: as of now you can run a full node on a raspberry pi with a 30 USD external storage medium

18:53:41 nubbins`: and eventually you'll need a raspberry pi 2.0 with a 30 usd external storage medium that has 2x the capacity

18:54:11 thestringpuller: yes but if the block size increases too rapidly eventually only certain hardware can run it.

18:54:18 nubbins`: so?

18:54:27 thestringpuller: this forces centralization no?

18:54:59 *: nubbins` groans

18:55:12 thestringpuller: :D

18:55:20 go1111111: thestringpuller: not if that special hardware is always below a certain cost threshold

18:55:53 nubbins`: "centralization", what does it mean? can you quantify it?

18:56:02 nubbins`: "decentralization bad, centralization good"

18:56:10 nubbins`: "analog bad, digital good... or was it the other way.."

18:56:33 thestringpuller: centralization = "full nodes controlled by single entities"

18:56:37 nubbins`: there needs to be a minimum, yes? an abacus is infeasible?

18:56:46 thestringpuller: exactly.

18:56:53 nubbins`: so what's the minimum?

18:57:12 nubbins`: a piece of shit computer you can find in a junkyard?

18:57:31 thestringpuller: minimum in terms of nodes running is what I'm getting at.

18:57:32 nubbins`: yeah, let's put the brakes on everything so you can help "contribute"

18:57:47 nubbins`: is a 1ghz pentium too much of a burden?

18:57:55 thestringpuller: XD

18:58:30 nubbins`: you see what i'm saying? a couple years from now you'll buy an octo-core w/ 32gb ram for $500

18:58:49 nubbins`: running a full node on a fucking pentium 1ghz like an asshole

18:58:52 Naphex: well you can scale nodes anyway

18:59:09 nubbins`: maybe we should make it so a TI-83 can run a full node

18:59:19 nubbins`: ultimate decentralization, that must be automatically good, right?

18:59:43 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, you're perverting the argument

18:59:54 thestringpuller: "Seeing how the earlier discussion actually neglected to mention a perfectly valid alternative avenue to evaluate the idiocy of this proposal, consider that the main (really, in practical terms the only) vulnerability of Bitcoin at the moment is that while miners are rewarded for mining, relayers are not rewarded for relaying. This is a sore oversight on the part of Satoshi, privately admitted at that, and unfort

19:00:00 thestringpuller: USGavin's proposal consists of significantly increasing the burden on the full nodes, while doing nothing to address the actual problem threatening Bitcoin. This, of course, is not the direction a responsible head of a FOSS project steers things. It is however the exact direction a puppet of Microsoft tries to steer a standards discussion."

19:01:06 Naphex: whats with all this burden on full nodes

19:01:27 fluffypony: such burden

19:01:31 Naphex: 56 day running bitcoind/ Standalone / Max 500 connections

19:01:47 Naphex: RX: 56.5 GB TX 117.7

19:01:55 Naphex: load average: 0.30, 0.34, 0.33

19:02:05 thestringpuller: damn a gig a day?

19:02:11 nubbins`: thestringpuller: tyvm, first thought-out argument i've read yet

19:02:15 Naphex: running on Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2640 v2 @ 2.00GHz x2 / 32 Cores

19:02:24 thestringpuller: nubbins`: that's mircea_popescu via qntra

19:02:32 BingoBoingo: nubbins` A while, but on low power hardware

19:02:39 thestringpuller: nubbins`: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/

19:02:40 assbot: Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork

19:02:53 Naphex: i use this as a "supernode" to p2p connect to the network, and use local nodes to scale

19:03:06 Naphex: the localnodes, hardly ever pop 0.03 on avg

19:03:12 Naphex: since the supernode will filter most of the junk

19:03:16 nubbins`: why is the header of the website as ugly as possible?

19:03:23 thestringpuller: Naphex: interesting. do local nodes store the blockchain or access it via network?

19:03:27 nubbins`: srsly, bright blue text on grey bg

19:03:32 Naphex: thestringpuller: they store it

19:03:38 nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style

19:03:44 Naphex: they just don't p2p connect to the network and only connect to a master node

19:03:47 Naphex: for updates

19:04:12 thestringpuller: ah.

19:04:20 thestringpuller: so you point them directly to the supernode regardless of location?

19:04:39 Naphex: yes

19:05:13 thestringpuller: interesting model

19:05:28 Naphex: thestringpuller: there is a lot of wasted CPU Time

19:05:32 Naphex: on nodes processing junk

19:05:39 Naphex: double spends, dust, etc

19:05:51 thestringpuller: same here

19:05:58 mircea_popescu: mthreat mmm where is it ?

19:06:06 Naphex: the supernode fillters all that out, and sends clean to slaves

19:06:58 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> he's just playing it up for the crowd. << that, pretty much. like any pundit/hired "tech support", he's got his talking points and he's going to talk the points.

19:07:05 mircea_popescu: "please reboot your computer".

19:07:35 Naphex: thestringpuller: load avg on the slavenode would drop around 10x, so thats a lot

19:07:47 mircea_popescu: <go1111111> thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule << increasing the block size is NOT a gain. it's a loss.

19:07:51 mthreat: Le Blé, at French 2999

19:07:52 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is here to protect against inflation.

19:08:01 mthreat: mircea_popescu: ^

19:08:05 mircea_popescu: blocksize is a scarce resource. increasing it is not helping, it's hindering.

19:08:35 mircea_popescu: and engineering is NOT "about tradeoffs". politics is about tradeoff, and gavin has zero mandate or political authority

19:08:51 mircea_popescu: engineering is about doing things, and gavin has a vanishingly small ability in that field, also.

19:08:59 mircea_popescu: so : a poor engineer with political delusions.

19:09:40 mircea_popescu: mthreat what time is this ?

19:10:33 mthreat: 4-7pm

19:11:03 mthreat: i can't go myself.. but michelle's there and some others

19:11:33 mircea_popescu: yeah, im not making it that early. wouldnt mind asking the guy a few q's but whatevs.

19:11:48 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> blocksize is a scarce resource. // and it should remain so, precisely

19:11:54 nubbins`: A new Inital maximum block size such that a full node may be run by "somebody with a current, reasonably fast computer and Internet connection, running an up-to-date version of Bitcoin Core and willing to dedicate half their CPU power and bandwidth to Bitcoin."

19:12:03 mircea_popescu: go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. <<< and who told you this ?

19:12:09 nubbins`: that *is* a bit of a burden for no reward aside from a fuzzy feeling, hey?

19:12:26 Naphex: nubbins`: storage is not that much of a problem as CPU Time

19:12:40 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic nubbins` no dude, because gonobody and usgavin have made decisions and tradeoffs dontchaknow.

19:12:41 BingoBoingo: !up go1111111

19:12:42 Naphex: lots of CPUTime on bitcoind might force for standalone bitcoind servers

19:12:44 nubbins`: half yr bandwidth too!

19:13:00 Naphex: i only care about CPUTime, everything else is really distant

19:13:07 mircea_popescu: also, nobody is acutally running "bitcoin core"

19:13:38 mircea_popescu: after the "let's fork bitcoin for fun" and the "let's put heardbleed in your software" disasters, you'd have to be insane to run anything coming from vessenes' merry band of scammers.

19:14:00 nubbins`: what're the big pools running anyway, i wonder

19:14:05 mircea_popescu: "up to date" indeed.

19:14:58 BingoBoingo: !up mechtronic2001

19:15:02 mircea_popescu: go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about << you don't get to separate your better's concerns into genuine and less genuine, fuckface.

19:15:05 Naphex: mircea_popescu: so yeah, i haven't found anything even close to stable as bitcoind :)

19:15:07 mircea_popescu: jesus the gall of these people.

19:15:34 go1111111: mircea_popescu: I don't see the usefulness if high fees, except as a means to secure the network. but fees will be a small portion of the reward to miners for a while. low fees enable transactions to occur that would otherwise be too costly, eliminating deadweight loss

19:15:40 BingoBoingo: Naphex: Older patched Bitcoind?

19:15:47 mircea_popescu: i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see.

19:15:54 mircea_popescu: who told you your brain may arbiter in this matter ?

19:16:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00074773 = 12.1506 BTC [+]

19:17:18 mechtronic2001: Would this be a proper channel to post my btcjam funding page. It would be an investment, but I don't want to step on toes here.

19:17:36 mircea_popescu: mechtronic2001 it'd be a pretty horrible place seeing how btcjam isn't too well regarded.

19:17:49 mircea_popescu: !s btcjam

19:17:50 assbot: 80 results for 'btcjam' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=btcjam

19:17:59 mircea_popescu: you're better served by going through the logs as relevant to your interest.

19:18:16 mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see. << another contender for the b-a tagline :)

19:18:18 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829294

19:18:19 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 14:33:56; nubbins`: his btcjam profile has two "recommendations" from friends. the second one commences thus:

19:18:42 mircea_popescu: mike_c no but really, "i don't see". let's all go to the hospital and start derping, "i don't see why i'd have to take my clothes off"

19:18:52 mircea_popescu: because that's how everything works in this world, it's reddit out here.

19:19:34 go1111111: if there are good arguments for high fees i'm curious to be linked to them or hear them. possibly my preference for low fees is as dumb as you're claiming, but it'd be interesting to know why you think that

19:19:36 mike_c: yes, this is not kindergarten. unfortunately there still is no good bitcoin kindergarten.

19:19:43 mircea_popescu: einstein never got the damned formula out because luce irigaray didn't see why he'd privilege the speed of light over other speeds that are so much more important to us. and so on.

19:19:46 Apocalyptic: go1111111, dude it's not just about the fees

19:19:58 mircea_popescu: go1111111 the arguments for a limited b lock size are the same as the arguments for a limited currency base.

19:20:04 Apocalyptic: the blocksize limit is essentially tied to what bitcoin is, even if you can't see it

19:20:07 mircea_popescu: amusinglky enough, the arguments against either are also the same.

19:20:27 mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here

19:20:38 mircea_popescu: to "something else" that's not really in any sense something else at all.

19:21:00 Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place // that's a recurring thought I have these days

19:21:02 mircea_popescu: gavin wants to have a cryptousd he's welcome to make yet another shitcoin.

19:21:19 mircea_popescu: he's not welcome to try and hijack a project he has essentialy nothing to do with into that swamp however.

19:21:22 Apocalyptic: well they have ethereum for that

19:21:41 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah but the problem with this crapolade is that it constantly needs to leech off hard currency to survive.

19:22:00 BingoBoingo: The correct solution to limited blocksize is occasionally buying trashcans full of your local scrip as necessary

19:22:04 mircea_popescu: ethereum is good for a few weeks, then need something else, same pretense.

19:22:41 Apocalyptic: mircea, may well be... that's why the ultimate solution is: don't let them get their hands on it

19:23:11 asciilifeform: !s good cakes

19:23:12 assbot: 5 results for 'good cakes' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=good+cakes

19:23:24 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-us-dollar aha

19:23:25 assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:23:31 mircea_popescu: for all i care, everyone's welcome to try any theory they wish and then starve on it. what's however not acceptable, not now, not ever, is fraud. passing scamcoins for actualcoins and trying to pretend like shitpie is "just as good as pie".

19:27:03 mircea_popescu: go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome << this is wrong on each and every level.

19:27:30 mircea_popescu: level 1 : "many people" is not an argument, because a bunch of redditards are not actually different people. the headcount of all reddit is like, 5 people. that's not many and barely people.

19:27:35 asciilifeform: can it also replace photo lens cleaner? cause i'm running a bit low.

19:27:48 asciilifeform: how about garden mulch ?

19:27:56 mircea_popescu: discussions about reefed out derps about "global financial infrastructure" are nil and void. you don't even know what it is in th efirst place.

19:28:08 go1111111: the bad consequences of not having a limited currency base are clear (inflation). a larger block size won't lead to currency inflation, but blockchain inflation and some higher bandwidth requirements. That seems to have very different consequences.

19:28:21 mircea_popescu: level 3 : it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin

19:28:27 mircea_popescu: level 4 : gold in no way enters into any of it.

19:28:46 mircea_popescu: go1111111 you think they're clear, because you understand very little of it.

19:29:02 mircea_popescu: examine what you think is "clear" to get a grip of how little you in fact understand. wtf is "inflation" ? why's it bad ?

19:29:14 mircea_popescu: inflation is great! more people get more money! what now ?

19:29:14 asciilifeform: when folks say 'we want it like gold' - do they mean 'confiscatable', 'bulky', and 'largely traded as sham paper' ?

19:29:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, when people reference gold in relation to bitcoin it's simply a token to represent how they do not wish to engage into a discussion but would rather derp about some conveniently pre-prepared strawmen.

19:32:13 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers

19:32:13 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

19:32:37 Naphex: ;;lasers

19:32:37 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

19:32:40 Naphex: mircea_popescu: i'm not arbitering shit

19:32:42 Naphex: i run nodes

19:32:44 go1111111: inflation is 'bad' if the thing that is inflating is something you're holding as a long term store of value. higher supply --> lower price per unit. "inflation" is used two ways: increasing the supply of the currency, and increasing price levels. i'm referring to the former

19:32:49 mircea_popescu: Naphex huh ?

19:33:07 Naphex: mircea_popescu: and most full nodes out right now except core are all shit

19:34:24 ben_vulpes: Naphex: have you tried btcd?

19:34:36 mircea_popescu: go1111111 yes, you say "is used" meaning "is used to denote". but the two different things it's used to denote aren't unrelated. they're just facets of the same phenomeno.

19:34:38 ben_vulpes: not implying they're not shit, but curious to know your opinion.

19:34:52 mircea_popescu: another facet is the havok inflation wreaks upon capital allocation and generally marketplace decisions.

19:35:34 mircea_popescu: Naphex functionality and security are widely disjunct topics.

19:36:20 Naphex: mircea_popescu: i agree, but security you can improve. but functionality will be harder

19:36:29 mircea_popescu: depends for whom :)

19:36:47 Naphex: aye :P

19:36:50 mircea_popescu: look, most everyone i know is using some more or less modded 0.5 0.6 some brave souls read through all .7

19:37:01 mircea_popescu: point is, nobody in his right mind would just go with the "up to date".

19:37:41 mircea_popescu: because the troop has proven, multiple times, that they're not to be trusted. plenty of those are simple incompetence, but at least three or so can be well argued as malice.

19:37:51 nubbins`: any public stats on version popularity?

19:38:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins` there's a downloads count on github, for what that's worth.

19:38:04 Naphex: (in my defense, i am not running any live nodes with wallets attached)

19:38:21 nubbins`: not much

19:38:34 kakobrekla: nubbins` https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/dashboard/

19:38:35 assbot: 24-hour chart - Bitnodes

19:38:37 mircea_popescu: by its nature this isn't something you'd know.

19:39:00 kakobrekla: see user agent ofc.

19:39:09 mircea_popescu: which anyone can set to anything.

19:39:24 kakobrekla: and most nobody changes it.

19:39:35 mircea_popescu: unl;ess they wish to not be pestered about uptading it

19:39:39 mircea_popescu: they just update the ver.

19:39:54 *: nubbins` raises eyebrow

19:40:27 kakobrekla: nah

19:42:26 mircea_popescu: go1111111: Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go<< no, actually, gavin has finally figured that there's not really space in bitcoin for him, and he wants to move on. which is fine.

19:42:35 mircea_popescu: but the derpage about taking bitcoin with him is ridoinculous.

19:42:49 mircea_popescu: let him do his whatever the hell it is and be happy, nobody cares.

19:44:00 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb.

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19:44:58 BingoBoingo: !b 4

19:45:01 mircea_popescu: so one block will fit 100x as many tx, and each solved block will yield 50x less in subsidies. that's a 5k drop over 20 years. it's high enough to kill the price, and with it mining, and with all that bring bitcoin back within the financial ability of the us.

19:45:12 mircea_popescu: which is exactly the point of all this fucking derpage.

19:45:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2014#862720

19:45:26 assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 18:01:23; mircea_popescu: making it n-0, retroactively. THEY HAVE YET TO ACTUALLY SCORE ONCE!

19:45:38 mircea_popescu: boys'd really love to make that 0 an 1 already.

19:46:49 mircea_popescu: and no, im not gonna think about the spooks. i couldn't give less of a shit that some single mom's ugly children are starving because her no fee half bitcent bitbet bet didn't get into any of sixty consecutive blocks.

19:47:06 mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it.

19:47:28 mircea_popescu: this specifically requires avoiding the tarpit of trying to be yet another macdonals, helping along with welfare distribution.

19:47:39 mircea_popescu: we're not here to be friends. we're here to fuck over the entire system, permanently.

19:49:12 Naphex: ben_vulpes: (>>> Naphex: have you tried btcd?) i have btcd running on a staging server. eats a bit more load but deffinetly not ready to run on production. I'm still grabbing metrics from it so time will tell

19:49:50 BingoBoingo: Boxes full of local cash. Only solution for using bitcoin in day to day transactions.

19:50:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but see, the question is : govt doesn't want to be a wholly owned subsidiary of bitcoin, and used as such, with its scrip a sort of ltc.

19:50:34 mircea_popescu: govt wants it the other way around, so why won't we be nice people and just make bitcoin a sort of replacement for sms payments already.

19:50:47 BingoBoingo: Maybe one month you only need a shoebox of Benjamins. Maybe another month you need a pallet of Woodrow Wilsons

19:50:51 mircea_popescu: they got the "global financial blabla" quite well pegged, they figure, why won't we just eat some crums ?

19:52:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it? << here's the problem : you went from cable to optic fibre to do that.

19:52:26 mircea_popescu: there's nothing after optic fiber.

19:52:30 BingoBoingo: Well the thing is we already have both things. Bitcoin for global finance and Altcoin for embarassing Gavincoin

19:52:48 mircea_popescu: sure, for as long as you're rubbing sticks together, things can increase massively. once you start running up against the limits of the universe however, that's that.

19:53:33 mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup

19:54:24 mircea_popescu: in short : just because your tits grew up 100% a week for half a year starting on your eleventh birthday doesn't mean jack. for one thing, the first cubic centimetre happened then.

19:54:35 mircea_popescu: imagining you'll keep doubling bra cup into your 30s is a little out there

19:54:48 mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay.

19:55:00 mircea_popescu: too much taking over of the "global financial blabla"

19:56:05 thestringpuller: take everything back to zero

19:56:19 thestringpuller: then we can go back to one.

19:57:01 assbot: xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

19:57:47 BingoBoingo: !up xiando

19:58:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know. ^ above should give you a good start.

19:58:58 asciilifeform: in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << copper phone net torn down. and where not torn down, scavengers are working. so no, not fiber, it'll be either nothing or dog-slow radio a la africa.

19:59:10 asciilifeform: ebolaphone.

19:59:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform satellite dial-up

20:00:03 jurov: unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires

20:00:04 asciilifeform: '3g' gprs stack is actually very similar to classical dialup internally.

20:00:14 mircea_popescu: it is yes

20:00:23 mircea_popescu: jurov sure they are.

20:00:34 asciilifeform: jurov: tell that to american scavengers. they've even pulled up fiber! purely through a combo of retardation and 'shoot first, questions second'

20:00:41 mircea_popescu: ^

20:01:26 jurov: in that case, AC wires/transformers will get missing first. bigger problem than just some phones

20:01:29 bounce: currently on 80/8 cable. and fibre has quite a bit of headroom yet. though for for low-latency things they're back to LoS-microwave links.

20:01:41 BingoBoingo: jurov> unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires << In my present metro area, when leaves my rural oasis for the city one finds all outdoor components of HVAC systems living in cages

20:02:01 mircea_popescu: what's gprs anyway, like 50kb/s and 1 second latencies ?

20:02:04 jurov: HVAC === phone wires ????

20:02:36 bounce: could perhaps imagine the typical post-apocalyptic american human wilderness with the addition of heavily guarded microwave towers for the happy few

20:02:46 BingoBoingo: jurov: It's copper and it already needs secured that way. Live electric wires also... disappear.

20:02:46 jurov: 64kbps, latency depends

20:03:13 asciilifeform: copper pipes routinely vanish from houses left unattended for some days, in a number of u.s. locales

20:03:23 asciilifeform: just as herr orlov predicted based on experience elsewhere

20:03:34 mircea_popescu: bounce fibre possibly has a lot of headroom yet. but so did cable, originally. point is there's not going to be a qualitative jump like going from copper to glass.

20:03:43 jurov: you completely missed my point, as susual. it's difference between 1mm and 0.1mm wires

20:03:48 asciilifeform: there's, hypothetically, 'more glass'

20:03:58 jurov: the latter you can't simply burn off of the plasitc

20:04:11 jurov: they tend to burn, too

20:04:14 bounce: not that we know of, anyway.

20:04:29 mircea_popescu: bounce but see, in 1960 we did know about optic fibre.

20:04:34 BingoBoingo: <jurov> they tend to burn, too << Not if you make a smarter fire.

20:04:47 mircea_popescu: jurov that is a good point

20:04:56 mircea_popescu: but they'll steal the main trunks, not the last miles.

20:05:04 jurov: these dudes who tear fibers dont know about smart fires :)

20:05:20 mircea_popescu: and main trunk is two inch thich copper.

20:05:26 jurov: main trunka aren't copper since 20 yrs ago

20:05:30 jurov: *trunks

20:05:33 BingoBoingo: Well... in the future it won't always be the dumb ones stealing

20:05:36 mircea_popescu: that'd depend lots.

20:05:39 cazalla: mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ? <<< no time for that, to sydney and back again in 2 days

20:06:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla so are you back in the seat now ?

20:06:13 cazalla: yup

20:07:05 BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier

20:07:25 jurov: anyway. in eastern europe/russia, phones and electricity did mostly work. heating and plumbing went away first.

20:07:59 bounce: copper has come a long way since then too. but anyway, if the argument was that there's some cap on the achievable max bandwidth... probably. whether we'll hit it in our lifetime and/or the end of the current civilisation? no idea.

20:08:04 mircea_popescu: in roimania it was the railroad signals and then the phones. nobody stole plumbing.

20:08:14 mircea_popescu: heating uh... what, steal gas pipe ? never happened

20:08:25 asciilifeform: coal.

20:08:28 BingoBoingo: jurov: People here don't usually bother heat... They bother cooling though

20:08:28 bounce: modern gas pipes are all plastic anyhow

20:08:37 asciilifeform: primorye case, etc

20:08:45 mircea_popescu: bounce no, the point was that there's no good reason to believe doubling each year for 20 years is something to engineer against.

20:09:21 BingoBoingo: Also thing that goes missing occasionally.... Aluminum park benches and bleachers.

20:09:22 bounce: well, it'd exclude anyone who couldn't keep up

20:09:24 asciilifeform: obligatory:

20:09:25 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/02/book-excerpt-wrong-math.html

20:09:26 assbot: ClubOrlov: Book Excerpt: The wrong math

20:09:37 mircea_popescu: bounce not the point of excluding, the point is of engineering.

20:09:46 mircea_popescu: effects aren't the consideration here. the cause is the consideration.

20:10:01 bounce: what, it's not about the politics for once?

20:10:22 mircea_popescu: im not aware it was about the politics, other than to reject unwarranted politics ploys.

20:10:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13431 @ 0.00074467 = 10.0017 BTC [-]

20:10:43 mircea_popescu: telling some derp derping about "what we should do" there's no we and nobody elected him is not politics, but the contrary thereof.

20:10:48 BingoBoingo: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/10/06#l1412554998 << Gentoo Bitcoin port apparently uses Luke-Jr patches by default

20:10:48 assbot: BitcoinStats

20:11:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anything good ?

20:11:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A bit of drama in the convo. Haven't finished it myself.

20:12:09 jurov: anyway. can anyone explain to me how am i a part of "a sum total of the global financial infrastructure"?

20:12:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's been quite some years since one could safely rely on gentoo defaults.

20:12:35 bounce: a neat little cog waving his convenient plastic around?

20:12:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: such burden << if not paid for, even a cent's worth can kill.

20:13:17 mircea_popescu: jurov mebbe you read an inclusive statement backwards ?

20:13:24 mircea_popescu: not all statements can be read backwards safely.

20:13:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd assume Gentoo users are of that school, but I dunno that Gentoo is luser proof yet.

20:13:56 mircea_popescu: it can;t be heh, isn't gentoo the offical hipster distro atm ?

20:14:00 jurov: it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin << this meand you and who else then?

20:14:10 asciilifeform: wtf is a hipster distro

20:14:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the distro that makes you cool by using it.

20:14:34 asciilifeform: (gentoo out of the box, as found now, is atrocious. i'm having face rubbed in this as we speak.)

20:14:37 mircea_popescu: jurov vexual.

20:14:41 asciilifeform: but there is no replacement for it

20:14:48 BingoBoingo: jurov: You run the only financial brokerage of note

20:14:52 thickasthieves: me too, i'm collecting bitcoins from bad traders

20:14:58 mircea_popescu: lol

20:15:00 asciilifeform: short of 'roll own everything, have team of artisans on retainer, 1000 man hours to start'

20:15:07 bounce: perhaps interesting to see how people got started in the gene sequencing biz, and over a couple decades have seen sequencing speeds and capacity shoot up not quite to the moon, but close.

20:15:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since you're doing all this, make a loper's gentoo put wrapper on blog ?

20:15:27 bounce: worked well enough there. I'd agree that banking on a similar thing happening in last mile connectivity is maybe a little optimistic.

20:15:47 mircea_popescu: bounce again, this is a discussion of very prepubescent titgrowth.

20:15:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the struggle revolves around a particular set of hardware, won't be of much interest to other people

20:15:58 jurov: thanks BingoBoingo, but how comes I have to run derpy casino to make ends meet?

20:15:59 mircea_popescu: telephone infrastructure has been a thing for > a century.

20:16:15 thickasthieves: casino is derpy?

20:16:52 thickasthieves: you are also collecting bitcoins from bad traders

20:16:54 jurov: coinbr mostly dried up this year

20:17:10 asciilifeform: (anyone who uses gentoo, see recent logs for systemd exorcism notes)

20:17:11 mircea_popescu: bounce here's some saner math : first telegraphed message was in 1844. the bw today, 170 years later, is 10mn times wider. (ie, taking that 10mbps).

20:17:14 bounce: it never really had to perform outside voice band up until very recently, though

20:17:19 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10000000 ** (1/170)

20:17:19 gribble: 1.09945249861

20:17:25 mircea_popescu: 10% a year. how about that.

20:17:37 mircea_popescu: bounce telegraph, baby. no voice is being discussed.

20:17:43 jurov: thickasthieves not even a casino, dice game

20:17:48 mircea_popescu: it took 170 years to go from 1 baud to 10mn baud.

20:18:07 asciilifeform: who had 1 baud at home 170y ago ?

20:18:27 asciilifeform: morse?

20:18:32 mircea_popescu: everyone living next to morse lol

20:19:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you were to propose over the next 170 years it increases 10 million fold again, i would take 50-50 odds against.

20:19:14 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.5 ** 170

20:19:14 gribble: 862013444619732718146971238400

20:19:18 mircea_popescu: gimme a break.

20:19:19 thickasthieves: jurov, ok, maybe all mp meant by being the financial center is that HE is the center, and since we orbit around him, we aren't careening into the abyss

20:19:36 thickasthieves: amiright?

20:19:55 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nah

20:22:57 asciilifeform: want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks.

20:23:09 asciilifeform: (hey, you said - bandwidth. not latency.)

20:23:15 punkman: dronedisks

20:23:26 jurov: blockchain bombardment

20:23:41 asciilifeform: 'c' is ultimate limit for latency, anyway, sans martian physics

20:23:46 bounce: ;;calc 10000000 * (1.09945249861 ** 170)

20:23:46 gribble: 1.00000000024e+14

20:24:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks. << Stationwagon and tape may still be king

20:25:00 asciilifeform: wagon in catapult, sure.

20:25:18 mircea_popescu: bounce 100tb ? nuts, but perhaps THIS side of nuts.

20:25:41 bounce: in 170 years? doesn't sound unreasonable, provided we keep up the pace.

20:26:02 mircea_popescu: right.

20:26:18 bounce: but it doesn't sound useful. 8k HD cat videos is silly already now.

20:26:30 mircea_popescu: EXACTLY.

20:26:50 mircea_popescu: which is a major fucking point that got neglected so far. there's this seinfeld where george tries to sell computers

20:26:54 mircea_popescu: "hey, it's got porn"

20:27:08 mircea_popescu: by now the limit on porn is that nobody can be fucking bothered to make the sluts look good in 8k hd.

20:27:17 mircea_popescu: so what's going to push your dubling each year ? faeries ?

20:27:36 mircea_popescu: in 1990 i could see it, we wanted to see samantha fox naked in color, rather than black/white ascii art.

20:27:49 jurov: 3d rendered pr0n

20:28:02 bounce: well, there's the thing. the phone system didn't really improve substantially until someone found a reason to repurpose that last mile for DSL. even if that DSL now mostly carries crap better carried some other way, or not at all.

20:28:25 mircea_popescu: bounce yes, but see, just like light in glass is a limit of the universe, that's relevant,

20:28:37 mircea_popescu: "full image of the human person" is also a limit, in fact. quite biological.

20:28:57 mircea_popescu: there substantially isn't something as interesting to people.

20:29:23 bounce: uncompressed hi-res n-dim medical imaging is a good, morally upstanding way to stuff the pipe. even if it's a bit of a niche now.

20:29:27 mircea_popescu: now this is a very distant, removed argument. but that doesn't entirely destroy it. sure, it's useless in a 5 year discussion.,

20:29:30 jurov: i just referred to "to make sluts look good"

20:29:41 mircea_popescu: jurov :p

20:30:04 mircea_popescu: bounce maybe. again, im not saying "no" or "never" here. i'm trying to do some actual reasoning on evaluating patently insane claims sprouted by gavin.

20:31:26 bounce: oh I haven't really kept up with that. maybe I should read up. but the point in the very general sense is that we don't know yet how we're going to waste tomorrow's bandwidth. you know, like youtube is quite a thing these days, but only can exist because availability of >>dialup bandwidths

20:32:09 mircea_popescu: last i heard youtube traffix was waning, but be that as it may,

20:32:15 bounce: so it's maybe a bit early to decide there won't be bandwidth because there won't be drive. may be. maybe not. it's not a given either way.

20:32:33 mircea_popescu: "bandwidth will double each year for 20 years because it has in a very rare circumstance the past 10" is not unlike the way people try to sell "global warming"

20:32:51 mircea_popescu: it's in fact exactly recycled golfclub pattern talk, which is exactly how the independent observer knows this is not merely gavin derping,

20:33:09 mircea_popescu: but in fact gavin executing usg agenda. those twerps have few ideas and they keep redressing them everywhere.

20:33:13 bounce: could be, but it boomed for a goodly bit, because it could. netflix took over torrent in biggest traffic (oh woe is the mafiaa and their pr-war), and so on.

20:33:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That -dev conversation has some interesting derping lower down with luke and Gavin agreeing

20:33:39 jurov: i see some conflation of technical and economical arguments

20:33:41 mircea_popescu: bounce sure. but by now it takes two minutes to dld a film and 120 to watch it

20:33:50 mircea_popescu: what is going to HALF it to a minute ? by next year ?

20:34:24 jurov: we want for bitcoin to have limited supply, not just amount but also blockchain space

20:34:35 *: bounce doesn't see that happen in a bit. just like the peecee business is in a bit of a slump, because, well, there's only so much cpu power reasonably wastable on eyecandy.

20:34:44 mircea_popescu: jurov not quite. i dun want jack shit. but when presented with an argument to

20:34:48 mircea_popescu: ACT, i wil consider it.

20:34:54 mircea_popescu: and this one fails on a number of grounds

20:35:02 mircea_popescu: so... it's not happening.

20:35:30 bounce: though as time went on I find myself watching less and less video. curious how that works, or doesn't.

20:36:07 mircea_popescu: cuz who the fuck has the time for video.

20:36:28 fluffypony: I uh

20:36:29 fluffypony: uh

20:36:31 fluffypony: http://vimeo.com/107435702

20:36:31 assbot: Lesley the Pony Has an A+ Day! on Vimeo

20:36:34 fluffypony: I have no words

20:36:35 mircea_popescu: lol

20:36:36 fluffypony: it's beautiful

20:36:41 *: bounce recalls someone complaining about kids wasting massive amounts of bandwidth on youtube music videos just for the audio; the browser window with the player is kept in the background

20:36:49 BingoBoingo: skinnkavaj agrees with Gavin on scalability, that dooms it.

20:37:07 mircea_popescu: is that the guy that was arguing with assbot ?

20:37:13 mircea_popescu: what, he's a core ranger now too ?

20:37:19 bounce: this is a weird way to follow an argument. is there a log of -dev somewhere?

20:37:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One of them. I dunno if he is a ranger, but he lurks a lot of places and interupts

20:37:47 BingoBoingo: bounce: bitcoinstats.com

20:37:50 jurov: bounce http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/

20:37:51 assbot: BitcoinStats

20:39:38 BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/vy9PQGqm

20:39:38 assbot: 07:09 wumpus Luke-Jr: YOU BROKE github-merge.sh 07:09 wumpus I guess I shou - Pastebin.com

20:40:42 mircea_popescu: and for the kids following at home : http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7800000/SAM-4-samantha-fox-7878744-363-500.jpg << this is samantha fox. for a year or two she was probably the most jacked off to woman in teh world.

20:41:52 BingoBoingo: ninjashogun Let's design an ATM card that is a Bitcoin wallet. Who is up to the task with me. Ideas? Thoughts? Purpose: so that dumb users can just "get a card" rather than have to learn how to set up a complicated node on a p2p network. They already use ATM cards. So, this is a form factor thing. << The people who hop on -dev so srs

20:42:30 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo jesus i pity the sane people there.

20:42:31 Azelphur: just had an amazing offer courtesy of EA https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=91dcb0ad261c2801ce58e33974e57a4a

20:42:31 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:42:31 assbot: ownCloud

20:42:47 mircea_popescu: Azelphur going to be a game dev ?

20:43:04 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: no, and if I was I think I'd rather shoot myself than work for EA :P

20:43:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who knew we'd all be appreciating assbot's !up !down so much nao

20:44:08 mircea_popescu: yeah it grows on one

20:48:46 punkman: http://www.tipiti.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1972.-Lena-S%C3%B6derberg-p1047.jpg

20:50:12 mircea_popescu: punkman butt approved!

20:52:06 punkman: http://www.famousboard.com/threads/6563-Lenna-Sj%C3%B6%C3%B6blom

20:52:07 assbot: Lenna Sjblom nude pics @ FamousBoard

20:52:10 punkman: quite famous

20:52:32 mircea_popescu: first lady of teh internets neh ?

20:52:51 punkman: she's got my vote

20:55:36 kakobrekla: !s vultr

20:55:36 assbot: 0 results for 'vultr' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=vultr

20:56:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate!

20:57:33 mircea_popescu: wow shit there's an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs ?!

20:59:38 mike_c: GET /gow//.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\etc/passwd << does this shit actually still work on anyone?

21:00:03 mircea_popescu: nope.

21:00:13 mircea_popescu: and i mean, so he gets passwd. so ?

21:00:17 mircea_popescu: what is he going to do with it ?

21:00:39 mike_c: who knows. but A for effort, 3000 requests in a minute.

21:01:39 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/ more in the same style.

21:01:40 assbot: O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:03:05 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/

21:03:22 mike_c: really? i thought we were going back to moon now.

21:03:51 asciilifeform: an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs >> neal stephenson's 'slines'

21:04:12 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I thought we never really hit the moon yet, just low earth orbit.

21:04:34 mike_c: last i heard we had hit moon and were aiming for mars. but i don't keep track.

21:04:50 mircea_popescu: wasn't it the dog that went to moon ?

21:05:09 kakobrekla: anything but earth please.

21:05:18 mike_c: http://bitnewt.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Bitcoin-Moon-Flag.gif

21:07:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/private-tour-cias-incredible-museum-180952738/?no-ist

21:07:33 assbot: A Private Tour of the CIA's Incredible Museum | History | Smithsonian

21:08:37 BingoBoingo: Comment on a site that links to gallery of things to be paranoid about "

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21:08:39 BingoBoingo: That story about the silenced handgun is ridiculous. Even modern suppressors leave gunshots well over 100 dB range. Nice to know that our spymasters even insist on lying to themselves." Forgets .22lr is a thing

21:11:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: СП-4

21:18:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well... Always room for improvement

21:21:01 BingoBoingo: 'Murica has obola again http://dfw.cbslocal.com/?lead=frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms

21:21:02 assbot: Ebola Scare Sends Dallas County Sheriff’s Deputy To Hospital « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth

21:23:02 The20YearIRCloud: oh joy

21:25:12 thestringpuller: w/dinwo 21

21:26:00 BingoBoingo: Basically texas needs quarantined nao

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21:27:25 The20YearIRCloud: texas has more health problems from illegals coming over the boarder than it does with ebola (all healthwise)

21:27:45 BingoBoingo: Nah.

21:27:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8219 @ 0.00074336 = 6.1097 BTC [-]

21:28:15 BingoBoingo: I imagine within the decade Mexico will be more concerned about illegals coming from the US than the other way.

21:29:17 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud depends how bad it gets.

21:29:23 BingoBoingo: I have a gut feeling that the big reason more US'ians don't follow through with their going to Canada threats is that Canada is too close to what they are leaving. That and Canada doesn't really want them.

21:29:30 mircea_popescu: from the looks of it they've got maybe even odds to lose control and end up with an epidemic

21:29:51 mircea_popescu: if the mortality is 20% from the disease and another 10% from the resulting stampede that's about 100mn deaths in the us by 2016.

21:31:40 ben_vulpes: do i hafta stop licking eyeballs?

21:31:47 asciilifeform: and the flights carry on.

21:31:55 asciilifeform: ebama, obola.

21:32:43 asciilifeform: official excuse is, get this, 'you can't get infected on the plane, we check for fever getting off'

21:32:58 asciilifeform: if chewbacca lives on endor you must acquit.

21:33:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is some merit to this. apparently it's not infectious presymptomatically.

21:33:06 asciilifeform: sure.

21:33:10 ben_vulpes: you better lose yourself in the pandemic \ you own it, you better never let it go \ you only get one shot do not miss your chance to blow

21:33:22 mircea_popescu: n ow on the other hand, who gives a shit about west africa flights...

21:33:27 asciilifeform: yes.

21:33:29 asciilifeform: ebama does.

21:33:47 mircea_popescu: i don't get this. you telling me it's specifically because obama is a kenyan citizen ?

21:33:50 asciilifeform: gotta bring in more, you see, texas seed might die out.

21:33:51 mircea_popescu: kenya is not even on the list ?

21:33:56 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

21:34:04 asciilifeform: nah, it's because this is a golden chance for usg.

21:34:12 asciilifeform: or at least, someone seems to think so

21:34:14 mircea_popescu: to... what ?

21:34:16 bounce: that whole patenting thing?

21:34:23 asciilifeform: to remain relevant a little longer.

21:34:45 chetty: but seriously when exactly do you cross the line to being infections? the exact second you show a fever? the first time you cough? of just maybe its actually 5 minutes before ...

21:34:45 asciilifeform: and to desaparecer certain inconveniences in the chaos.

21:34:52 mircea_popescu: get out, no govenrment in history survived a large pandemic

21:34:53 mircea_popescu: nor could it.

21:35:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00074435 = 14.7381 BTC [+] {2}

21:35:16 mircea_popescu: chetty apparently it's well after fever.

21:35:24 asciilifeform: chetty: when exactly do you cross the line << from a sane (e.g. soviet) epidemiologist's point of view - when you set foot in a 'hot zone' - you're infectious until proven innocent.

21:35:25 mircea_popescu: there's good biological reason for this

21:35:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/boost-vc-and-zapchain-team-up-to-create-the-bitcoin-course/

21:35:29 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/get-your-bitcoin-news-widget/

21:35:36 chetty: me dont believe thay actually know for sure

21:35:41 BingoBoingo: chetty: No one knows where the line is, may vary in different situations

21:36:03 mircea_popescu: chetty this is roughly like the "can't get aids from mosquitoes/bugs

21:36:08 mircea_popescu: generally, broadly speaking you don't.

21:36:13 mircea_popescu: then again...

21:36:13 ben_vulpes: ottomans survived regular decimations in constantinople, according to "The Sultans"

21:36:21 chetty: asciilifeform, I like that definition

21:36:26 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which specifically ?

21:36:36 dub: is there acutally more cases of obola or are yall watching fox again

21:36:40 ben_vulpes: which ottomans?

21:36:50 mircea_popescu: dub the sherrif apparently is suspcious

21:36:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which epidemic

21:37:00 ben_vulpes: "plague"

21:37:04 mircea_popescu: WHICH lol

21:37:12 asciilifeform: dub: they're ddosing the public with 'yet another 134 false alarms in city X!'

21:37:13 ben_vulpes: it was a passing note, take it up with Barber!

21:37:13 mircea_popescu: like, what year.

21:37:27 chetty: dub, they took another one into isolation to 'test'

21:37:29 ben_vulpes: dunno boss.

21:38:00 asciilifeform: dub: when folks start to burst in shopping malls into bloody mess, they won't be able to keep a lid on it. and they know it. so what can they do? cultivate an atmosphere of bullshit, so the news will be met with maximal skepticism.

21:38:35 mircea_popescu: like the 1812/13 ? or prior ?

21:38:38 asciilifeform: these folks are pro at exactly one thing: keeping the cattle from stampede.

21:38:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The scariest zombies are always the kind that die. I've never much feared undeath.

21:38:51 chetty: I don't think they even need actual disease now, the fear may be enough

21:38:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't credit them with that.

21:38:57 mircea_popescu: it's the cattle.

21:40:03 chetty: on the not shutting down flights, whats wrong with those pilots and aircrews, they can and should shut it down

21:40:19 asciilifeform: chetty: they want to eat.

21:40:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most cattle here lack the cardiovascular endurance to really... Stampede... McDonalds et al

21:40:35 mircea_popescu: ;;google Cocoliztli

21:40:35 gribble: Megadrought and Megadeath in 16th Century Mexico: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2730237/; Cocoliztli - Evidence Detail :: US History: http://www.dhr.history.vt.edu/modules/us/mod01_pop/evidence_detail_11.html; Cocoliztli or Cocolitzli? - Indigenous Hemorrhagic Fever and The ...: http://earthmatrix.com/linguistic/cocoliztli.html

21:40:44 mircea_popescu: teh mexicans had an ebola-ish thing at some point.

21:41:00 chetty: <asciilifeform> chetty: they want to eat.// helps to be alive to do that

21:41:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hanta, still endemic to the America southwest. Goes through dormant, emergent cycles

21:42:32 chetty: BingoBoingo, thats a point, with all the drought that should have broken out, haven't seen anything about it

21:42:37 mircea_popescu: !up Quinn_

21:42:51 BingoBoingo: Basically North America can not have an edible mouse like Slovenia can.

21:43:06 mircea_popescu: they eat the squirels. same deal.

21:43:21 Quinn_: mircea, i was told you wanted to talk to me?

21:43:27 BingoBoingo: Hanta is apparently a creature of the desert.

21:43:30 mircea_popescu: this is possible. who are you ?

21:43:40 Quinn_: I created the bitcoin users in a nutshell cartoon.

21:43:45 mircea_popescu: o hey.

21:43:58 mircea_popescu: dja wanna make some bitcoin-assets cartoons ?

21:44:34 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: prior, iirc. the context of the remark was that the sultan (subject of the chapter) began to address the plagues that had routinely decimated the capital with european medical techniques. this was, iirc, one of the last three to rule before the sultanate was brought to an end by the young turks et al.

21:44:54 asciilifeform: chetty: in usa we fear unemployment literally more than bloody death of obola.

21:45:01 mircea_popescu: does your own statement resolve your objection ben_vulpes ? :)

21:45:15 Quinn_: Depends on the content, i have a site which is better to contact me through. www.zenithquinn.com/#!commissions/c171x

21:45:15 ben_vulpes: o ya :D

21:45:30 mircea_popescu: Quinn_ how does it depend on the content ?

21:45:44 ben_vulpes: though the causal relationship is a little murky to me

21:45:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes merely correlation was proposed.

21:45:58 Quinn_: well I don't know what type of cartoons you want, so i can't tell you if i can agree to it or not.

21:46:16 mircea_popescu: but i'm preselected, i already seen the cartoon you made, so we're going with that type.

21:46:43 Quinn_: But do you have a script /idea?

21:46:53 bounce: ``The Mexican natives in the encomienda system were treated as virtual slaves, were poorly fed and clothed, and were greatly overworked as farm and mine laborers. This harsh treatment appears to have left them particularly vulnerable to epidemic disease.'' -- worked to death, illness finished it

21:47:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7897 @ 0.00074732 = 5.9016 BTC [+]

21:47:29 mircea_popescu: Quinn_ no, not yet. but if you're amenable to work on one i think we can probably come up with something.

21:47:55 mircea_popescu: bounce i wouldn't credit post-libtard revolution descriptions of history.

21:48:29 mircea_popescu: i mean sure, it all fits neatly, "prior to the soviet state and everywhere outside of it kids had it rough and didn't even get any icecream"

21:48:32 mircea_popescu: still...

21:49:14 bounce: that's not-invented-here.gov, dunno about their political or historic revisionism inclinations

21:49:18 Quinn_: Contact me through my site and we can discuss this further! :)

21:49:28 mircea_popescu: i'm not going to.

21:49:33 mircea_popescu: that's the point, actually.

21:49:45 mircea_popescu: you can contact me through here and we can discuss it further.

21:50:37 Quinn_: I don't arrange commissioned work through irc chats, not very trustworthy.

21:50:44 mircea_popescu: Quinn_ how long does it take you to make one of these ? could you in principle bang out one a week if scripts were availabe ?

21:50:52 mircea_popescu: it'd work nicely as a weekly featured video for qntra

21:51:42 Quinn_: The amount of work and time dedicated all depends on price. e.g a $300 video that's 30 seconds long will take a week.

21:51:44 mircea_popescu: hm, irc chats are actually the pinnacle of trustworthy, you just don't know about how it all works yet.

21:51:53 mircea_popescu: so how long did this video in question take you ?

21:52:43 Quinn_: I did it in my spare time between commissions, since it wasn't a source of income so around 3 months

21:52:57 Quinn_: and I know nothing about you, a quick google search doesn't reveal anything either

21:53:02 mircea_popescu: ah so it's very work intensive huh.

21:53:23 Quinn_: other than one article citing you as a romanian billionaire which doesn't exactly sound in any way legit.

21:53:25 mircea_popescu: maybe your google isn't so good ?

21:53:36 mircea_popescu: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/ for instance

21:53:36 assbot: Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on' The Register

21:53:55 mike_c: not entirely legit. should be "ex-pat romanian".

21:55:16 BingoBoingo: Quinn_: At the time he was provably a Billionaire. Now He's mysteriously maybe so. Bitcoin be volatile.

21:55:17 mircea_popescu: how does it not sound in any way legit ?!

21:55:35 BingoBoingo: He's at least a plural hundreds of Millionaire though, provably.

21:55:52 mircea_popescu: bitcoin created what, 50bn worth of value out of the ether. didja think it all went into the usg budget or something ?

21:56:29 Quinn_: Not to seem rude, but there;s hundreds or people who claim to be bitcoin millionaires on reddit and such.

21:56:41 mircea_popescu: well, sure.

21:56:50 mircea_popescu: nobody is claiming reddit is legit.

21:57:05 BingoBoingo: ;;ident mircea_popescu

21:57:05 gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None

21:57:55 mircea_popescu: this is an interesting point tho. i guess for the vast majority of the public, bitcoin is this "cool tech", nobody stops to think bitcoin is actually a bunch of saudi princes.

21:59:03 Quinn_: mircea didn't you create a porn site under a false name and stolen content?

21:59:31 mircea_popescu: nope.

21:59:49 mircea_popescu: i was a producer for a bunch shots, but that was back in the 90s.

22:00:28 hanbot: mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ? asciilifeform: you of all people should know << ahahaha, this convo....

22:00:35 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/MCRKSsq.gif :D

22:01:06 Quinn_: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!

22:01:17 mircea_popescu: cheers.

22:01:21 mircea_popescu: who the fucke is tapeke

22:01:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/onmJiHN.gif << am i putting this in the next s.nsa report ?

22:02:18 mircea_popescu: "‎

22:02:19 mircea_popescu: Tapeke is the first personal finance application specifically designed for Bitcoin. We help Bitcoiners to keep track of their Bitcoin expenses and incomes and ..." << you couldn't possibly mean that ?!

22:02:51 Naphex: lol

22:03:10 thestringpuller: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! << blockchain is trustworthy nao?

22:03:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, the sad part here is that 15k youtube views took $300 * 3 * 4.2 = 3800 dollars' worth of this guy's time.

22:03:40 mircea_popescu: which is fucking scary.

22:04:05 mike_c: his time must be worth more given he just turned down a weekly video job.

22:04:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c i don't think he was proceeding very calculatedly tbh.

22:04:44 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I dunno. It's all about the burn rate.

22:06:25 mike_c: BingoBoingo: you're all over my homepage (again) http://www.btcalpha.com/

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22:06:58 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, mike_c dja feel like doing some writing for qrta ?

22:07:10 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Cool

22:07:40 mike_c: my once-a-month pace already strains my time for writing. i don't think i'm the right fit for a newsroom.

22:07:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!

22:07:51 mircea_popescu: kk

22:09:23 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

22:09:25 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 353.67, Best ask: 353.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 353.67, 24 hour volume: 27768.82024727, 24 hour low: 326.93, 24 hour high: 355.0, 24 hour vwap: 342.040137856

22:09:37 thickasthieves: chugging along

22:09:44 mike_c: there was this woman around looking for work who was a writer, but i think she disappeared.

22:10:04 mircea_popescu: work is apparently hard.

22:10:13 mike_c: ;;seen wyrdmantis

22:10:13 gribble: wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <wyrdmantis> Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?

22:10:17 mircea_popescu: so much shit on people's eyes getting in the way of their finding a loaf of bread

22:11:40 mircea_popescu: !up SweeteDad

22:12:38 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#863189 < PFT! > http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#865319

22:12:40 assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 03:44:52; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD

22:12:41 assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 22:01:06; Quinn_: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!

22:13:15 mike_c: ;;gettrust tapeke

22:13:16 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user tapeke: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mike_c&dest=tapeke | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tapeke | Rated since: never

22:13:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you don't understand how the world works.

22:13:35 kakobrekla: bignum is mininum.

22:14:42 mircea_popescu: trust is a feeling! investing is a +ev activity for the amateur, just like people make a profit growing tomatoes on their windowsil. sticks and stones could break your bones but words is what really matters. etc.

22:15:12 xanthyos: my dad has lung cancer

22:15:14 xanthyos: beat pancreatic

22:15:16 xanthyos: got lung

22:15:17 xanthyos: 2 years

22:15:35 xanthyos: and i have been stuck in the chapel perilous in some schizoaffective bullshit for 8 days unable to leave the house or bed

22:15:45 xanthyos: so i think that deserves a negative assbot rating

22:15:49 xanthyos: i'm too crazy to live

22:15:53 xanthyos: farewell

22:15:55 BingoBoingo: xanthyos: Sucks.

22:16:13 mircea_popescu: xanthyos this too shall pass eh.

22:16:36 xanthyos: maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment

22:16:39 xanthyos: i'm better off dead

22:16:45 xanthyos: i might buy a bottle of vodka and walk into the woods

22:16:46 mircea_popescu: wouldja simmer down ?

22:16:48 thickasthieves: nonsense

22:17:17 mircea_popescu: i never heard of any man's post pancreatic lung cancer giving their offspring braindamage

22:17:24 BingoBoingo: vodka and the woods sounds like a fun way to get a hangover.

22:17:28 kakobrekla: x<xanthyos> maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment < its good you figured this before buying a bottle of vodka and walking into the woods. just listen to us.

22:17:30 mircea_popescu: and that without even considering the part where you were born before he got it.

22:18:54 BingoBoingo: <xanthyos> i'm too crazy to live << No such thing.

22:19:06 xanthyos: A LIFE WITHOUT SUFFERING

22:19:17 xanthyos: i haven't had a girlfriend since 2004

22:19:20 mircea_popescu: how about steve irvin, BingoBoingo ? that dude was too crazy to live.

22:19:29 mircea_popescu: xanthyos why not ?

22:19:32 xanthyos: because i'm too afraid if i got a girlfriend i'd just end up BEATING her like the last one

22:19:37 xanthyos: how's that for honest?

22:19:38 mircea_popescu: uh

22:19:42 mircea_popescu: so get one that likes it.

22:19:48 xanthyos: i dont' like to do it

22:19:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, he was too stupid and the stingray too wily

22:19:52 xanthyos: ti's not a sadomasochistic thing

22:20:01 mircea_popescu: well work with me here eh.

22:20:02 xanthyos: it's impulse control

22:20:08 bounce: get a gf that could hit you right back, and will if you mope

22:20:25 mike_c: so go see a shrink?

22:20:42 mircea_popescu: yeah, basically, eiother bounce or my solution works.

22:20:49 xanthyos: have one, but missed my most recent appointment due to anxiety

22:20:51 bounce: plenty help with all sorts of things. good of you to know where (some of) your weaknesses are. doing something about it is the next step.

22:20:54 mircea_popescu: it's not "impulse control", once she hands you your ass twice a week for a month

22:21:34 bounce: and of course, it's always darkest right before dawn.

22:21:41 thickasthieves: get someone to help you with motivating and taking care of yourself to do what you need to do

22:21:42 mircea_popescu: honestly i'd rather go to some full contact sport thing than a shrink if the problem is violence.

22:21:49 thickasthieves: maybe in addition to the shrink

22:22:07 thestringpuller: xanthyos: one of my closest friends has schizoaffective disorder. there was a point when he was having tons of episodes everyday that he couldn't really leave the house. But he's doing better now because better treatment is out. Just stick with it mang.

22:22:13 bounce: close in-person friends >> self-"medication"

22:22:25 xanthyos: the ocd and borderline personality disorder are the truly disabling things

22:22:32 xanthyos: i can deal with being schizo

22:22:39 mircea_popescu: wha do you do for a living anyway ?

22:22:40 xanthyos: those symptoms are mild

22:22:57 xanthyos: in 2001 i was diagnosed "gravely disabled" and have been receiving social security since

22:22:57 kakobrekla: being a test subject

22:23:07 mircea_popescu: o.O

22:23:12 xanthyos: i'm one of the entitled socialist dregs that bitcoin is going to weed out

22:23:23 mircea_popescu: lmao how do you make it in here without wanting to bash people's heads in ?

22:23:23 xanthyos: and i'm fine with it

22:23:26 mike_c: not if you buy bitcoin with your SS check

22:23:56 xanthyos: heh

22:24:01 hanbot: xanthyos http://thewhet.net/2012/this-is-it/ << written for pretty much where you are.

22:24:02 assbot: This is it | The Whet

22:24:24 mircea_popescu: hanbot wait, you got schizopersonalify disorder and ocde/whatever too ?

22:25:15 hanbot: nope

22:25:44 mircea_popescu: btw, im kinda surprised none of the evil-overgovernment conspiracy theorists have identified the oecd as the mechanism.

22:25:49 mircea_popescu: it seems rather obvious.

22:26:00 bounce: there's more ways and reasons to feel hopelessly inadequate and unfit for life

22:26:11 bounce: shit, every version of the DSM has MORE reasons

22:26:13 hanbot: i don't put too much stock in the whole dsm classification stuffs.

22:26:42 bounce: V got a little out of hand, making it less than useful

22:27:00 mircea_popescu: bounce or less than useless, as the case may be

22:27:21 xanthyos: i just don't want to spend hours a week comparing the lengths of my fingernails anymore.

22:27:25 xanthyos: it's not profitable

22:27:31 bounce: worse than. possibly quite a lot worse, depending on how much of a party the insurers are going to throw with it

22:28:10 mircea_popescu: xanthyos so do something useful then.

22:28:18 bounce: so get out and do something. maybe some moderately physically demanding job

22:28:25 mircea_popescu: why moderately ?

22:28:56 bounce: gotta start somewhere.

22:29:16 mircea_popescu: lol you mean, first time, single nail ?

22:29:51 thickasthieves: i think i mentioned pot before, but it doesnt suit you

22:29:55 bounce: more like something that'll get you nice and tired for a good night's sleep but not something that's so demanding it's easy to give up on

22:30:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00074747 = 10.3151 BTC [+] {2}

22:30:09 thickasthieves: a fam member uses it for his psych issues, along with some meds

22:30:22 mircea_popescu: hanbot great post btw.

22:30:25 thickasthieves: he's obsessed with making a home recording studio currently

22:30:46 hanbot: ty kindly mircea_popescu

22:31:04 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves i knew a guy who basically had a soundstage, because he wanted to record all his fucking sessions, which he then catalogued and manically preserved for old age.

22:31:23 mircea_popescu: died before being 40.

22:31:27 thickasthieves: it's an endless hobby to obsess on

22:31:29 thickasthieves: b

22:31:57 thickasthieves: very antisocial too

22:32:13 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,764.

22:32:14 bounce: the socials become rockstars and die at 27 from an overdosis

22:32:17 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.2409 BTC. Current weight: 94,322.

22:33:52 mircea_popescu: check it out, that's a choke ain't it. 2 on >200 1 on < 600

22:36:19 bounce: hanbot: s/treacle/trickle/ ?

22:38:21 hanbot: bounce treacle, sugar refining byproduct. a brownish, sickly-sweet gunk. perhaps a little awkward in there ::shrugs::

22:38:39 mircea_popescu: o.O

22:38:40 bounce: alright, if that's how you wanted it.

22:47:55 danielpbarron: ;;rate xanthyos 4 face-to-face associate; 10+ year relationship; https://twitter.com/xanthyos

22:47:56 assbot: Tweets met antwoorden van xanthyos (@xanthyos) | Twitter

22:47:56 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user xanthyos has changed from -3 to 4.

22:49:23 bounce: cute toys: http://www.dolphinics.com/products/

22:49:24 assbot: Dolphin Express IX products - Low latency

22:49:30 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know that feed is protected

22:49:53 danielpbarron: ya, so?

22:50:09 bounce: protection against the uncool people

22:50:48 BingoBoingo: The US really should start selling ketamine like aspirin

22:50:50 danielpbarron: i think you need to be in his L1 to get access :p

22:55:35 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

22:55:37 gribble: Current Blocks: 324464 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 111 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 9 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35121138498.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.32629

22:58:33 asciilifeform: bounce: Dolphin Express << very neat. but golden toilet.

22:58:42 bounce: oh?

22:58:52 asciilifeform: 'if you have to ask price, you can't afford this'

22:59:28 bounce: there's that. sort-of implied by the high finance and military as proposed applications.

22:59:45 asciilifeform: bounce: if you want this (as i do) built it by hand, with fpga-to-pcie board.

22:59:49 asciilifeform: that's all it is, anyway

23:00:14 asciilifeform: they're dressing this as 'enterprise' turdware, yes.

23:00:58 *: bounce doesn't begin to have the soldering skills for that. or the rest of the ee skills. will have to work on that.

23:01:09 asciilifeform: no need to solder, surplus fpga demo board off 'ebay'.

23:01:24 asciilifeform: physically-identical to this unit, quite possibly.

23:01:36 bounce: O_O

23:02:02 asciilifeform: it's just some glue logic between pcie and external cabling.

23:02:13 asciilifeform: with possibly a little dma magic on transmitting and receiving ends.

23:02:37 asciilifeform: people who are not satisfied with '1024 chickens' often buy something like this.

23:02:52 asciilifeform: you still get same chickens (pc cpus) but now in a shared-memory harness.

23:03:46 bounce: they can charge quite a lot before it becomes more economical to buy non-chicken cpus

23:04:19 asciilifeform: non-chicken << you can't buy them.

23:04:31 asciilifeform: they don't exist. no one has made any such thing for 20+ years.

23:05:25 bounce: you don't like sparc and ppc either then?

23:05:38 asciilifeform: bounce: read why s. cray uttered the 'chickens' phrase.

23:06:06 asciilifeform: some jobs simply do not parallelize.

23:06:11 asciilifeform: as in, mathematically.

23:06:53 asciilifeform: the engineers' answer seems to have been, 'well don't do those jobs'

23:07:00 bounce: true enough. and so the best you can have there today AIUI is a 5+ GHz IBM thing in a massively overpriced package

23:07:13 asciilifeform: just as when musical notes appeared, music that was difficult to write down with notes - perhaps, disappeared.

23:07:27 asciilifeform: big fat fucking deal, 5.

23:07:34 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize. << Single network interface with packet filter

23:07:44 asciilifeform: 2x speedup, 200x price markup.

23:08:31 bounce: that gives a lot of headroom for fancy interconnects, no? :-p

23:09:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: given that tcp/ip lets you fuck with ordering, that trivially parallelizes. at least, as fast as you can physically clock the bits off the wire to individual comparison registers, and then back on

23:09:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'narus corp.' (il. they supply a good chunk of nsa's hardware infrastructure) sells these.

23:09:52 asciilifeform: if you need one - straight to them. take a few $m.

23:10:48 asciilifeform: back to subject:

23:11:13 asciilifeform: if you have $maxint and want to convert it to parallelizable number crunching - plenty of people are ready to help.

23:11:28 asciilifeform: you'll end up with a small underground city full of intel, amd, whatever boxen.

23:11:44 asciilifeform: if you have $maxint and want to grind a non-parallelizable problem - god help you.

23:11:58 asciilifeform: it won't even suffice to build new fabs

23:12:13 asciilifeform: you'll need to find new chemists. that are (if you're lucky) in their cradles right now.

23:12:16 asciilifeform: and wait a few decades.

23:12:21 asciilifeform: and then - maybe you have something.

23:14:38 bounce: what's the fastest the labs (not fabs) can do now? 60GHz or so with graphene 'tors?

23:14:46 asciilifeform: 60GHz of what?

23:14:49 asciilifeform: of 'not' gate?

23:14:54 asciilifeform: fat lot of good that'll do you.

23:15:00 asciilifeform: these are sold for rf applications.

23:15:19 asciilifeform: and once you connect two or more - here's your propagation delay.

23:15:23 asciilifeform: welcome to 1975.

23:16:20 pete_dushenski_: damn, mircea_popescu is on a roll today.

23:16:37 pete_dushenski_: this block size talk really lit the fire!

23:17:54 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here << they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny.

23:19:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb. << whoa.

23:20:24 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it. << so *that's* why we're here!

23:20:32 *: pete_dushenski has purpose now.

23:20:40 bounce: only now?

23:20:52 pete_dushenski: wait, no, not purpose, causes!

23:20:59 pete_dushenski: i should really start reading contravex

23:21:04 *: bounce thinks of a 'pinky' joke, but fails... like every night.

23:22:28 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << only then will their derping be tamed. when it actually costs something.

23:22:55 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay. << such forecasting these guys.

23:23:15 bounce: don't be silly. how did you think ma bell got to be big? it wasn't from lack of traffic!

23:23:16 pete_dushenski: which brings up gavin's latest, yes, make that his THIRD comment on contravex today:

23:23:27 pete_dushenski: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30668

23:23:27 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

23:24:08 pete_dushenski: gavin must drive a lexus because he's definitely in the pursuit of perfection.

23:24:25 pete_dushenski: bounce ma bell?

23:24:38 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously

23:24:45 bounce: ring ring. those guys.

23:25:35 pete_dushenski: "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL." << love this line by gavin.

23:26:12 pete_dushenski: "uhh let me make up numbers and not even mask the fact that they're made up because i'm typing in my retardedness."

23:26:37 pete_dushenski: chief scientist should be spending his time figuring out a plaintext emoticon for "drool"

23:26:54 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/32JAMK3.txt )

23:26:54 pete_dushenski: !b 3

23:28:41 bounce: those numbers are not that important. he could be off by a factor of ten and nobody'd notice. the "paying attention to the needs of EVERYBODY" is killer, though. in light of his committing those same EVERYBODY on upgrading their connectivity every year.

23:28:49 Apocalyptic: <BingoBoingo> pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously // this is indeed a worthy issue to address

23:30:27 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I mean right now it would be feasible to put a Bitcoin node pretty much anywhere with a wired internet connection other than Nepal or the Desert, yet... this constant bandwidth grow really only happen consistently in data centers.

23:30:55 thestringpuller: actually you could probably get away with 56k satellite phone connection in nepal

23:30:56 mircea_popescu: dude i go make some porn websites with stolen false names for five minutes and when i return the log scrolled off my desk

23:30:57 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/my-failed-attempt-to-suck-the-walmart-flavored-blood-of-1642497737 << New Yorkers forced to confront real America.

23:30:58 assbot: My Failed Attempt to Suck the Walmart-Flavored Blood of Real America

23:31:04 thestringpuller: if you had the block chain already downloaded

23:31:36 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: What took me so long was building a full txindex.

23:31:54 thestringpuller: the reindexing is killer

23:32:15 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, pretty much, I wasn't being sarcastic

23:32:28 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I know.

23:34:02 BingoBoingo: It's the derps who see adds about hosting prices falling or staying constant and the connections offered increasing... Don't realize how infrequently... people who keep their own machines upgrade their connections... Unless they are running a data center.

23:34:14 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize. << i have trouble coming to terms with this concept. wtf do you mean ? they'd better parallelize or else can't work on a turing machine

23:34:55 asciilifeform: ;;google perfectly sequential problem

23:34:56 gribble: P-complete - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-complete; Stackelberg competition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stackelberg_competition; Sequential Equilibrium and Perfect Equilibrium ... - Cornell University: http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~rafael/papers/imperfect.pdf

23:35:11 asciilifeform: trivial example: sha(sha(sha..............

23:35:27 asciilifeform: (notice i didn't say 'mining btc')

23:35:31 mircea_popescu: sha(sha still paralelizes to some degree. it gotta

23:35:38 mircea_popescu: rainbow tables. something.

23:35:54 asciilifeform: not everything 'gotta'..

23:35:56 mircea_popescu: but yeah, i see what you mean

23:36:35 asciilifeform: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/806569/whats-the-opposite-of-embarrassingly-parallel

23:36:36 assbot: multithreading - What's the opposite of "embarrassingly parallel"? - Stack Overflow

23:36:46 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2im4zv/gavin_andresen_proposes_bitcoin_hard_fork_to/cl3pga6

23:36:46 assbot: justusranvier comments on Gavin Andresen Proposes Bitcoin Hard Fork to Address Network Scalability

23:37:15 BingoBoingo: http://valleyball.co/ << Mega lulz, fantasy Venture capitalism

23:37:16 assbot: Valleyball - a fantasy VC league

23:38:11 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny. <<< or, moreover, aren't even bitcoin in any sense. notice the earlier guy with his strange "irc is insecure" notions. he probably thinks he's involved. his choices and mental processes however do not reflect that.

23:38:51 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> wait, no, not purpose, causes! << lol selfpwnt

23:39:03 thickasthieves: ;;ticker

23:39:05 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.82, Best ask: 356.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 356.98, 24 hour volume: 28804.88232732, 24 hour low: 326.93, 24 hour high: 357.98, 24 hour vwap: 342.641644065

23:39:16 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: better me than you!

23:39:23 thickasthieves: ;;estimate

23:39:24 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35106354396.7 based on data since last change | 35353044324.1 based on data for last three days

23:39:27 thickasthieves: meh

23:39:41 pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: so much for that diff spike eh?

23:40:03 thickasthieves: i always assume the spikes are a new batch of miners testing then shipping

23:40:15 thickasthieves: cuz i am human and must invent gods

23:40:19 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> "And then divide by? uh, I think 5, because Pieter?s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL << honestly, at this point i'd want everyone to give a good look to libsecp256k1

23:40:26 mircea_popescu: really curious what turdage lurks therein

23:40:34 thestringpuller: can reddit really get more dumb?

23:42:06 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hmm. maybe gavin is trying to tip us off below the radar of his handlers?

23:42:14 pete_dushenski: maybe he has a soul!!11

23:42:17 thestringpuller: "Thank you for posting that article! Brother Taaki knocks it out of the park." << like really

23:42:22 thestringpuller: "Brother Taaki" ~_~

23:42:25 mircea_popescu: i have no idea, but the performance issue triggers my everpresend paranoid suspicion

23:42:56 mircea_popescu: justusranvier that's a rather intelligent point.

23:43:07 mircea_popescu: probably wasted in the venue, but i do kinda see you as this barefoot preacher to the huns.

23:43:11 mats_cd03: he has his cult and we have ours

23:43:28 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 no. they have their cults and we have a culture.

23:43:33 mircea_popescu: the difference is staggering.

23:43:57 mircea_popescu: course... we don't dance nearly as well.

23:45:03 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Which point?

23:45:04 mircea_popescu: "BRANSON, MO?Among the things that I dislike most in this world are patriotism, religion, tourist traps, country music, and the Walmart corporation. So I traveled to the one area of this nation that captures them all. It did not go as planned."

23:45:12 mircea_popescu: uh that's a weird trail mix..

23:45:27 mircea_popescu: justusranvier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#865561

23:45:30 assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 23:36:46; thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2im4zv/gavin_andresen_proposes_bitcoin_hard_fork_to/cl3pga6

23:47:02 BingoBoingo: You know at this point the shit Gavin proposes on the roadmap has to suggest a three letter agency gave him an explosive buttplug.

23:47:19 thestringpuller: That reminds me of Man on Fire.

23:47:30 justusranvier: Oh, that one. Sorry, having less-than-optimal connectivity to my bouncer right now

23:47:32 BingoBoingo: Good movie, Denzel at his best.

23:47:33 thestringpuller: Where Denzel puts a C4 block in the rectum of a police chief

23:48:04 mircea_popescu: ss your heart" Southern affectation of intense, polite agreement with everything that makes a mockery of any attempt at challenging conversation. Even when Bucky started ranting about various street artists and why they are or are not sellouts, Berry would strenuously agree, despite the fact that?and I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here?the street art scene in Branson is rather limited. Banksy's new piece? "

23:48:04 mircea_popescu: Uh HUH!" Dan Witz's mosh pit paintings? "AbsoLUTEly!" This is actually a clever form of communications ju-jitsu, because, over time, you start adopting the same affectation just to fit in, until one day you hear yourself saying "That ghost tour was AMAZING!" and you wonder if you have lost your identity somewhere along Highway 86.

23:48:04 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:48:23 mircea_popescu: dude, that article's something else. buncha tiresome hippies rolling their eyes at b uncha tiresome fargo inhabitants.

23:48:45 mircea_popescu: how the fuck do the gawker idjits figure they're any better than the ozarks idiots just through being a different color...

23:49:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Best part. The authors and subjects... all white as gypsum

23:49:39 justusranvier: This was a more important thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ighvq/a_scalability_roadmap_the_bitcoin_foundation/cl2fbhx

23:49:40 assbot: justusranvier comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation

23:50:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i didn't mean that color. i just meant, red prius roling headlights at white prius for being such a mainstream pos car.

23:50:15 BingoBoingo: Ah

23:50:21 justusranvier: go a few parents up to finnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarting po

23:50:53 justusranvier: stupid flakey wifi...

23:51:31 mircea_popescu: lmao your wifi did that ?!

23:51:41 BingoBoingo: Even thermos doubts Gavin https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ighvq/a_scalability_roadmap_the_bitcoin_foundation/cl25hmw

23:51:41 assbot: theymos comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation

23:51:54 pete_dushenski: my third response to gavin for the day: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30754

23:51:56 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

23:51:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, i know what you're saying, it's sensible, but also a very hard problem.

23:52:25 pete_dushenski: and i'm off to have two lovely romanians make me a home-cooked meal!

23:52:26 justusranvier: I have a... nonstandard irc client configuration

23:53:51 justusranvier: I have a vm running Xorg on a VPS, and I connect this desktop remotely using Spice protocol

23:54:07 justusranvier: Spice doesn't handle dropped packets very well...

23:54:37 mircea_popescu: justusranvier so then what happens actually is that if you press a key it sends a packet over and if you depress it similarly

23:54:46 mircea_popescu: and so if it misses a packet in there you just keep on typing n ?

23:54:59 justusranvier: apparently so

23:54:59 mircea_popescu: this boggles the mind

23:55:08 mircea_popescu: it may be the worst design i ever heard of

23:56:44 bounce: "house of cards" is still industry best practice. carry on.

23:57:34 justusranvier: On the plus side, this arrangement means I can run Skype in a virtualized sandbox that's far away from my real desktop

23:58:48 BingoBoingo: http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2014/10/sayreville_high_school_football_hazing_parent_reveals_sexual_nature_of_locker_room_ritual_exclusive.html

23:58:48 assbot: Sayreville football parent reveals sexual nature of alleged locker room hazing ritual (Exclusive) | NJ.com