Transcript for 08-10-2014, 2552 lines:
00:00:22 thickasthieves: even better, send one ATC
00:00:42 thickasthieves: nodecoin
00:00:45 thickasthieves: i dunno
00:02:05 danielpbarron: thickasthieves, i had that idea too
00:02:29 danielpbarron: simple html form with a text blob and submit button
00:02:38 danielpbarron: paste raw tx hex
00:02:50 thickasthieves: i kinda wonder if this might be an actual use for an altcoin though
00:02:59 thickasthieves: that way there is a symbiosis
00:03:08 danielpbarron: if no node fee, tx is ignored
00:03:48 thickasthieves: you could even charge by the size
00:04:10 DanielKrawisz: Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.
00:04:25 thickasthieves: but you dont need to fork bitcoin or whatever to do it
00:04:27 thickasthieves: just do it
00:11:12 Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate napedia 5 I know where he lives. A right and honorable denizen of the net
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00:17:55 danielpbarron: this is like a gpg key signing party, only it's not pointless
00:18:04 bitstein: ;;rate napedia 5 ATX BTC Meetup - Very privileged
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00:19:43 bitstein: ;;rate pierre_rochard 5 Crypto-Seneca of SNI
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00:26:00 bitstein: ;;rate danielkrawisz 5 Maharishi of SNI
00:26:48 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
00:28:37 danielpbarron: you don't have to reconnect to re-auth
00:29:09 danielpbarron: now you gone lost yer voice
00:29:39 princessnell: atx is repping strong 2nite
00:30:17 bitstein: ATX is the Vienna of Crypto-Anarchy
00:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00074402 = 8.3702 BTC [-] {2}
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00:50:42 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/01/why-hasnt-the-u-s-closed-its-airports-to-travelers-from-ebola-ravaged-countries << mega-lol. nato world tired of living?
00:50:43 assbot: Why hasn’t the U.S. closed its airports to travelers from Ebola-ravaged countries? - The Washington Post
01:27:56 decimation: asciilifeform: it's more important to cater to democrat votebanks than to protect the general population from ebola
01:31:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.14999998 = 1.05 BTC [+] {2}
01:31:59 decimation: dub: assets is gop sponsored chan << quote from gigantic comment thread in the red/blue post: "You shouldn’t be worried more people of the Red Tribe will start voting for Republicans, Republicans are your best friends, they pacify the Red Tribe. You should be worried when they stop voting Republican and your civil society fractures."
01:46:14 decimation: http://flowingdata.com/2014/02/05/where-people-run/ << wow, no one jogs through anacostia, I'm shocked
01:46:14 assbot: Where People Run in Major Cities
01:47:20 decimation: in 1918 usg policy was to stop border transit in case of disease: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/10/disaster-in-the-south-pacific/
01:47:21 assbot: Disaster in the South Pacific « Isegoria
01:50:46 mats_cd03: public health policy in the us is good enough to handle ebola
01:51:28 decimation: ebola is ok for you
01:52:12 mats_cd03: id live
01:52:40 mats_cd03: sounds like excellent population control
01:53:14 asciilifeform: mats_cd03: in exactly the same way amputation is good weight control
01:53:31 asciilifeform: 'lose weight, shed limbs!' < how i always read the spam slogan 'lose weight, shed lbs'
01:54:37 TheNewDeal: I don't want to lose that much!
01:58:30 mats_cd03: well its not like youll get america to eat salad instead of burgers
01:59:19 TheNewDeal: Speaking of which, I was eating a salad in front of a colleague, and he decided to be healthy he was going to not eat the bun on his burger
01:59:26 TheNewDeal: I consider that a decent step forward
02:04:32 TheNewDeal: but then again the salads at most places in the US aren't even healthy themselves. Covered with cheese, think mayo based "dressing," and a bunch of crutons
02:19:54 mats_cd03: call me when you get him to trade the patty for gluten
02:24:17 asciilifeform: mr. ebama - spreading obola.
02:26:27 dub: decimation: I don't really consider teh US as having a political system
02:28:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.00003943 = 0.5915 BTC [-] {5}
02:28:50 decimation: dub: at best it is a one party system
02:28:51 dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd
02:29:37 decimation: Mr. Hand also guides the opposition into safe pasture
02:29:54 dub: liberal and conservate don't mean anything more than libertarian does
02:30:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 22257 @ 0.00003613 = 0.8041 BTC [-] {18}
02:30:21 TheNewDeal: they're somewhat descriptive filters, especially when considering usian politics
02:30:39 TheNewDeal: not ideal, but they at least serve some purpose
02:30:45 decimation: those words are quite meaningful and apply broadly
02:31:25 decimation: it's just that the parties to which those labels are applied rarely act in any other way than the status quo
02:31:29 TheNewDeal: I do agree with the US being a one party though
02:31:51 decimation: lol
02:32:07 *: decimation is known as eth5434356475907977648659
02:32:20 TheNewDeal: nice
02:32:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 70000 @ 0.00003081 = 2.1567 BTC [-] {18}
02:35:43 asciilifeform: eth3 << lol!
02:36:38 decimation: actually the democrats/republicans are quite distinguishable and serve different purposes
02:36:39 dub: has your air gap failed?
02:37:06 decimation: democrats attempt to get more free stuff from productive people to their interested constituencies
02:37:08 asciilifeform: incidentally, that crap gets magicked away when you zap 'udev' (actually, the name - under modern gentoo - now refers to a satanic udev-systemd - and replace with 'eudev'.
02:37:15 asciilifeform: (at least on the box in question)
02:37:46 TheNewDeal: decimation , many conservatives do this as well
02:37:49 decimation: republicans quell dissent by speaking against further handouts in public and in private slowrolling/diverting handouts to their own feeble interests
02:39:34 decimation: asciilifeform: I was going to make this point yesterday: you drive a stake in the heart of systemd because you prefer... bash?
02:39:58 asciilifeform: prefer bash ?
02:40:06 decimation: classic init
02:40:32 asciilifeform: i prefer a goose feather pen and ink from tree bark - if that is the only way to be rid of poettering.
02:40:48 *: asciilifeform does not buy forced dichotomy here
02:41:10 decimation: my point being that bash's shaky foundation has recently been revealed
02:41:36 decimation: that being said, I agree that init.d has way more miles than whatever craziness poettering is pushing
02:41:57 decimation: in either case, modern computing sucks
02:42:21 dub: ah yes, udev was the thing
02:42:46 asciilifeform: 'the hunchback will be straightened by his grave.' (ru. saying.)
02:42:55 decimation: hehe
02:43:13 decimation: so eudev restores the sane default of eth#
02:44:01 asciilifeform: actually atm not 100% sure if it's eudev, or patch to config of original (satanic) variant
02:44:11 asciilifeform: anyone who gives a damn, invited to test the question.
02:44:20 asciilifeform: (anyone other than me?...)
02:44:36 dub: bit me hard back when rolling my own routers made sense, suddenly no way to predict which if was what on boot
02:44:43 decimation: googling around, I find many bewildered sysadmins who care
02:44:57 dub: !up jayk
02:45:06 *: asciilifeform wishes he had time to investigate why manual described 'eudev' as 'a fork of system-udev'
02:45:16 dub: someone?
02:45:31 decimation: as I wrote yesterday, one can always write a script to explore /sys/ if one wishes to understand how their devices are laid out
02:45:47 asciilifeform: dub: rolling own routers makes sense now. and even more sense yesterday.
02:46:12 decimation: I remember running a nat on my old 486 with slackware
02:47:06 kakobrekla: !up jayk ?
02:50:40 decimation: princessnell: how goes the blogging these days?
03:01:42 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu a modern u.s. schoolboy may or may not get references like 'tammany bees' - sure.
03:01:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.
03:27:10 mircea_popescu: more to it than that asciilifeform :D
03:29:20 mircea_popescu: !up jayk
03:29:24 jayk: ty
03:29:32 mircea_popescu: sure.
03:38:38 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: down for a minute and i get complaints. << depending on the recipient's age, going down for one minute may be all it takes.
03:40:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i wouldnt give 10 to my mother << you don't know her like we do :D
03:43:41 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Daniel_Krawisz http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ "It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer?s confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four."
03:43:42 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
03:43:42 gribble: The operation succeeded.
03:44:52 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD
03:47:26 mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz: Me neither. I would rather see the block size go up. If that creates a crisis of not enough full notes, then people are going to do something about that pretty quick I'd guess. <<< yeah, sure they will. specifically, sink the bitcoin lite resulting from the fork and sticking to the original.
03:48:39 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: excuse my ignorance, but cant the node cost problem be solved simply by running pay-node businesses? << zipf problem.
03:53:28 mircea_popescu: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-29533 << gotta appreciate usgavin's dedication
03:53:29 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
03:53:43 mircea_popescu: he's almost ninjashogun level, the way he goes everywhere, trying a pass or two of the same spun content.
03:56:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mega-lol. nato world tired of living? << from what i gather a little bit of epidemic doesn't look so bad up top. nice profits for pharma, might even get the country outta recession.
03:59:06 asciilifeform: naturally.
04:00:14 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: I consider that a decent step forward << lol gotta work
04:01:20 mircea_popescu: dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd << emperors my foot. pretty much all the president can do is mispronounce for the camera and be made a laughingstock of.
04:01:43 mircea_popescu: i think the last guy that tried to do anything substantial was reagan. maybe nixon.
04:04:33 mircea_popescu: ahh all caught up. it's a nioce feeling
04:04:35 mircea_popescu: !up nara__narayana
04:18:18 nara__narayana: well hello
04:18:36 nara__narayana: http://www.naturalnews.com/046290_Ebola_patent_vaccines_profit_motive.html#
04:18:37 assbot: Why does the CDC own a patent on Ebola 'invention?' - NaturalNews.com
04:18:48 nara__narayana: you guys seen this yet?
04:19:07 mircea_popescu: nope
04:19:40 nara__narayana: kewl
04:21:59 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOK5pon8-Ok << no eng. subs for the inglischers unfortunately. but still educational.
04:21:59 assbot: . . - YouTube
04:22:11 asciilifeform: (storm of donetsk airport)
04:23:40 nara__narayana: key flux point
04:24:32 nara__narayana: just learned today that assad and ISIL/ISIS/TNEX are pretty closely tied
04:24:38 nara__narayana: so that's pretty chill
04:26:23 mircea_popescu: doh
04:26:43 mircea_popescu: proxy wars to the death, over there.
04:27:46 nara__narayana: mhm
04:27:54 PeterL: asciilifeform: which side are the soldiers in the video?
04:27:59 asciilifeform: interesting that everyone pictured is firing semi-auto
04:28:10 asciilifeform: PeterL: ru
04:28:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "allegedly" :p
04:28:55 PeterL: Isn't it generally accepted that semi-auto is more effective?
04:28:58 mircea_popescu: ]This video may be inappropriate for some users.
04:29:01 asciilifeform: a number are wearing soviet-era regalia/medals (grandfather's ?)
04:29:01 mircea_popescu: meh.
04:29:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik the stuff is traded widely among active duty men.
04:29:34 mircea_popescu: sort-of like in a sports team. lucky charms and all that
04:29:37 asciilifeform: traded widely among - everybody
04:29:48 *: asciilifeform played with big tub of these as a boy
04:30:44 mircea_popescu: i never really care, except i bought the yugo equivalent of the purple heart from a lame guy once and wore it to a politico party to make ap oint
04:30:50 mircea_popescu: cared*
04:31:00 asciilifeform: lol!
04:31:14 asciilifeform: point was made ?
04:31:40 mircea_popescu: "see this ? guess which limb i'm missing, mr x?" "uhh" "the shame. just like you."
04:31:55 nara__narayana: yes
04:32:41 mircea_popescu: nara__narayana so who're you anyway ?
04:33:49 nara__narayana: myself
04:34:14 nara__narayana: just roaming around america atm
04:34:33 decimation: asciilifeform: I got that u-blox neo-7n module running, now to use pps signal to discipline that ocxo card
04:34:34 nara__narayana: crypto+mobile tech has allowed be to do this thank god
04:34:46 asciilifeform: ocxo?
04:35:09 decimation: the pci card off of ebay I linked awhile back. $3k golden toliet price, I paid 100
04:35:17 asciilifeform: aha
04:35:30 decimation: !up nara__narayana
04:36:48 nara__narayana: who's seeing the blood moon?
04:38:53 asciilifeform: 16:40 mark - fellow explains why ropes on stiff's feet (own side) - tied, to pull him a bit from a distance, see if 'surprise underneath'
04:39:18 asciilifeform: (ancient favourite trick, if anyone didn't know it)
04:39:34 asciilifeform: incidentally
04:39:45 asciilifeform: i kept wondering, for months, when 'hot' machines from Pripyat will turn up
04:39:50 asciilifeform: word is - this has happened.
04:40:04 asciilifeform: ('graveyard' was full of perfectly good mothballed tech)
04:41:01 nara__narayana: what will be gotten from said tech?
04:41:21 asciilifeform: perfectly good machines - tanks, trucks, etc
04:41:38 asciilifeform: just a little bit of reactor crud in them.
04:41:44 asciilifeform: circa '86.
04:42:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're not that hot anymore anyway
04:42:39 mircea_popescu: been what, 20 years.
04:42:44 asciilifeform: inside.
04:42:44 mircea_popescu: 30 even
04:43:15 nara__narayana: antifragile radiation bruh
04:43:59 nara__narayana: who doesn't need their daily dose of radioactive decay?
04:43:59 decimation: eh, it's pretty easy to clean up fallout
04:44:09 decimation: just wash it down well, you're good
04:44:34 decimation: people get their panties in a bind about radiation, it's everywhere in varying amount
04:44:39 mircea_popescu: decimation 30 years' rains, bout done by now.
04:44:45 mircea_popescu: !up deadalus
04:44:54 asciilifeform: doesn't rain inside the box
04:44:55 decimation: yeah, depends where it was and how much plutonium stuck to it
04:45:11 decimation: apparently plutonium is extremely sticky from what I've heard
04:46:08 decimation: !up mpmcsweeney
04:46:39 *: mpmcsweeney tips his hat
04:47:42 mircea_popescu: how goes.
04:47:54 mircea_popescu: decimation iodine was most of the fallout
04:48:04 mircea_popescu: actual plutonium is quite rarely a contaminant
04:48:16 nara__narayana: lol apparentyl im not kidding http://mic.com/articles/88483/something-surprising-happened-to-the-animals-around-chernobyl-28-years-after-the-disaster
04:48:16 assbot: Something Surprising Happened to the Animals Around Chernobyl 28 Years After the Disaster - Mic
04:48:29 decimation: yeah that's not so good, take your iodine pills to keep it out of your endocrine system
04:49:08 decimation: pretty much everything lower than Pu in the atomic table is present to some degree inside a fission reactor
04:50:07 mircea_popescu: well if the reaction runs away... pretty much everything forms.
04:50:15 decimation: the main problem is the stuff that decays slowly, but on the upside it decays slowly - less intense radiation
04:50:17 mircea_popescu: there's probably stuff all the way to 230 in there.
04:50:20 mircea_popescu: course it doesnt live long
04:50:40 decimation: that was the point of the 'cold war shelter' - live in a box until the really hot stuff rots away and then come out in relative safety
04:50:52 asciilifeform: washes away.
04:50:58 decimation: heh yeah that too
04:51:06 mircea_popescu: yeah, more wash than decay really.
04:51:08 asciilifeform: not 'too' - mostly.
04:51:30 decimation: I would believe that. The main problem is gonna be stuff that gets taken up in plants over the long term
04:51:46 asciilifeform: the ~30yr. half lives of sr-90 and cs-137 are just that
04:51:49 asciilifeform: half-lives.
04:51:56 asciilifeform: not one-$maxint-th lives.
04:52:00 mircea_popescu: but anyway, for living things the problem is mostly their own metabolism. radioactive iodine is not distinguished from plain iodine ends up in endocrine system. strontium is, as far as the body is concerned, perfectly good calcium. so on.
04:52:11 decimation: indeed.
04:52:31 decimation: but that isn't gonna end humanity, just raise the probability of certain cancers
04:53:38 asciilifeform: more interesting than the birds and wolves - are the very old women (mostly women) who still live there.
04:53:58 nara__narayana: marrow?
04:54:01 asciilifeform: there's something like a few dozen left.
04:54:12 decimation: I saw a show about it once, I think there is still a stubborn russian orthodox church open there too
04:54:16 *: asciilifeform did not go and count, relies on rumour
04:54:20 PeterL: their breeding the X-men in there!
04:54:28 PeterL: they're
04:54:56 mircea_popescu: wasn't there some nutty motorcycle chick that kept sneaking in for a while ?
04:55:06 asciilifeform: afaik proven cribbed.
04:55:06 nara__narayana: http://thebabushkasofchernobyl.com/ \\ lolll omg
04:55:06 assbot: The Babushkas of Chernobyl | A story of three unlikely heroines from the most toxic place on Earth
04:55:12 asciilifeform: (from other folks)
04:55:24 decimation: lol 'most toxic place on earth'
04:55:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00074399 = 3.3108 BTC [+]
04:56:01 decimation: I suspect that the nasty emissions that blot the sun from the sky in china do 'more harm', however you want to measure
04:56:20 asciilifeform: if you stay out of the buildings (not everyone can resist temptation to teleport into a nearly intact soviet childhood) it's clean. cleaner than a good chunk of the 'civilized' world.
04:57:52 decimation: one wonders what ukraine would be like today if the nazis managed to survive in some fashion
04:58:03 asciilifeform: lol
04:58:11 asciilifeform: they survived in a little nature preserve - there.
04:58:16 asciilifeform: go and say hello to them.
04:58:18 nara__narayana: oh they certainly did
04:58:31 decimation: hehe you mean the crazy 'ukrainian nationalists'?
04:58:36 asciilifeform: nope
04:58:40 asciilifeform: or rather, yes
04:58:46 asciilifeform: though they don't call themselves that
04:59:03 nara__narayana: what minds do you think the US harvested for their rocket progammes?
04:59:03 asciilifeform: (they are in the process of adopting english as an official language. so, go ask them what they're called.)
04:59:49 decimation: I guess what I mean by 'nazi' is 'europe as a world power' instead of 'europe as us disneyland'
05:00:01 asciilifeform: lol
05:00:07 asciilifeform: afaik those are dead, like dodo.
05:00:09 mircea_popescu: it wouldn't have been in any sense europe.
05:00:30 nara__narayana: lol
05:00:30 mircea_popescu: now, had the austro-hungarians actually defeated the nasty side of germans, then yes, europe as world power.
05:00:45 mircea_popescu: but ironically, i think by now it'd have looked exactly like us
05:00:59 decimation: that is an even more interesting thought.
05:01:20 nara__narayana: my grandfather still complains about the Hungarian population of peoples geographically stuck in Transylvania
05:01:41 asciilifeform: stuck?
05:01:43 decimation: yeah, I strongly doubt that the austro-hungarians would have resisted the 'democracy' derpage
05:01:54 asciilifeform: they're chained to walls, or what ?
05:02:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
05:02:11 decimation: they were sat upon stakes
05:02:18 mircea_popescu: the womenz married to romanians won't live, the boys fdesperately in love wiht the womenz...
05:02:29 nara__narayana: idk, hungary in particular has a unique culture
05:02:30 mircea_popescu: you know how it is.
05:02:46 mircea_popescu: nara__narayana quite particular. for 100 years straight the highest suicide rate in europe
05:03:17 mircea_popescu: back in 1980 the big news was that east germany became the 2nd highest (after hungary, everyone shook shoulders- of course after hungary)
05:03:18 asciilifeform: depends on what's a suicide and where europe is.
05:03:18 nara__narayana: geopolitical boundaries, asci
05:03:27 decimation: probably because it's depressing as fuck to know that your culture is on the permanent wane
05:03:40 mircea_popescu: decimation doesn't seem to affect the scots
05:03:51 asciilifeform: i.e. does death by no, fi, ru - rotgut - count as a suicide?
05:03:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah actually, > russia.
05:04:03 mircea_popescu: hahaha no.
05:04:04 decimation: their culture died in 1745
05:04:49 nara__narayana: mircea_popescu funny you mention that, cousin committed suicide just recently
05:04:57 mircea_popescu: well maybe not that funny
05:06:03 decimation: !up nara__narayana
05:06:49 nara__narayana: genes are powerful i supose
05:06:59 decimation: when I was last in europe (london) I got the depressing feeling that the shells of the historic buildings were being occupied by squatters unworthy of their inheritance
05:07:17 mircea_popescu: you know i tend to think the exact same ?
05:07:36 mircea_popescu: started in egypt, this. spent a day in the museum surrounded by tall, lithe, elegant nosed people
05:07:40 asciilifeform: as if it were otherwise in old-time usa
05:07:45 mircea_popescu: go into the street, short bug-like big nosed arab orcs
05:07:47 mircea_popescu: wtf.
05:07:51 asciilifeform: (even when the colours match)
05:07:54 decimation: yeah I got the same feeling in boston
05:07:58 dub: who is curernt holder of teh title?
05:08:46 mircea_popescu: which
05:09:16 *: asciilifeform vaguely recalls turnbull having claimed that the Ik are in fact ancient egyptians. or was this in a bad dream ?
05:09:17 dub: most likely to succeed, at suicide
05:09:21 nara__narayana: the nose knows
05:09:45 asciilifeform: (genealogically)
05:09:56 decimation: it motivates me to visit Liechtenstein one day, it's probably the closest the world has to an actual historical form of functional government
05:10:15 decimation: although it's probably been ruined by derpy swiss
05:10:16 nara__narayana: care to elaborate why?
05:10:16 mircea_popescu: uh
05:10:22 mircea_popescu: yea srsly, how you figued ?
05:10:33 asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.'
05:10:53 nara__narayana: swiss lol
05:11:49 nara__narayana: jk those bankers fucking got it made
05:12:19 decimation: nara__narayana: not really, who wants to bank in switzerland when they will divulge your banking to anyone who asks?
05:13:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00074444 = 5.2483 BTC [+] {2}
05:13:20 decimation: this is mainly why I classify it as slightly different http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18649156
05:13:20 assbot: BBC News - Liechtenstein referendum rejects curbs on royal powers
05:14:36 nara__narayana: i was under the impression that switzerland was a banking hub due to many circumstances, both political and geographical
05:15:03 nara__narayana: but whatev, what do i know?
05:15:30 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2014#857910
05:15:31 assbot: Logged on 04-10-2014 02:47:05; mircea_popescu: but anyway, only someone who had physically visited switzerland cca say 1994 can appreciate the immensity of the drop
05:17:17 nara__narayana: kk thanks
05:21:33 decimation: http://sprottmoneyblog.com/switzerland-to-take-back-its-gold/
05:21:34 assbot: Switzerland to Take Back Its Gold? | Sprott Money Blog
05:24:52 mircea_popescu: i keep getting requests from derps to delete this or that bit from fraudsters as if this were somehow a matter of course
05:24:56 mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people.
05:25:22 PeterL: they think you are hurting their feelings?
05:25:24 Duffer1: delete?
05:25:26 mircea_popescu: sooooo....
05:25:46 nara__narayana: i <3 censorship
05:25:53 nara__narayana: http://online.wsj.com/articles/swiss-national-bank-reaffirms-currency-floor-maintains-rate-1411027953
05:25:53 assbot: Swiss National Bank Reaffirms Currency Floor, Maintains Rate - WSJ
05:26:04 mircea_popescu: forget censorship even, that's something for the powerful
05:26:20 mircea_popescu: these are just... random nobody. figures he can write to people who he doesn't know, and tell them what to do
05:26:30 mircea_popescu: fucking broken society, nobody has any idea of their place anymore
05:26:30 nara__narayana: bank doesn't want value of currency to trise for some reason
05:26:37 nara__narayana: liquidity concerns?
05:27:28 nara__narayana: plebeians gonna pleb
05:29:33 mircea_popescu: "o, someone important wrote something i don't like about me ? i know, i will CHANGE so that i'm no longer like that!11"
05:29:49 mircea_popescu: too fucking hard. how about instead... ask them to delete it. should work o.o
05:32:21 decimation: as if you can delete anything on the internet anyway
05:32:39 nara__narayana: status is such a currency right now, most people are blinded by veneer
05:32:48 nara__narayana: *now
05:32:55 nara__narayana: i guess it always has been
05:33:48 nara__narayana: aesthetic should be self-similar to content
05:35:55 nara__narayana: it's been a pleasure, see you guys later
06:00:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11538 @ 0.0007461 = 8.6085 BTC [+] {2}
06:09:46 decimation: ;;ticker
06:09:48 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 329.7, Best ask: 330.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 330.47, 24 hour volume: 22932.71045831, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 335.01, 24 hour vwap: 326.354768788
06:13:48 TheNewDeal: bc,stats
06:13:53 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
06:13:56 gribble: Current Blocks: 324372 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 203 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 18 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35298088650.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.8368
06:14:38 Vexual: ;;later tell cazalla http://www.startupsmart.com.au/growth/bitcoin-startups-get-their-own-co-working-space/2014100813382.html
06:14:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.
06:49:55 TheNewDeal: decimation: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ Should have been red, blue, and white tribes... duh
06:49:58 assbot: I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex
06:53:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.13099999 = 2.62 BTC [-]
06:54:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16160 @ 0.00074337 = 12.0129 BTC [-] {2}
06:58:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 550 @ 0.00149995 = 0.825 BTC [+] {6}
06:59:27 Vexual: TheNewDeal: There are no wise men without idiots.
07:02:00 TheNewDeal: sure there are
07:04:02 TheNewDeal: anyways, author forgoed the opportunity to call the whitest of tribes white, and called them gray. White would have served better to confuse the crowd of readers
07:11:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.' << Maybe not a garden for you, but a garden for mycellium
07:12:50 TheNewDeal: was gavin really commenting on qntra, or is that merely an actor
07:15:58 BingoBoingo: Seems to be actual Gavin
07:16:10 Vexual: You could ask him
07:16:50 TheNewDeal: vexual, are you too sober at this point in time?
07:17:24 Vexual: what am I making sense to you?
07:18:19 TheNewDeal: too many sense
07:19:21 BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/839/a-team-from-california-will-win-the-world/#c4116 << Lol, only one California team left but both Missouri teams remain.
07:19:21 assbot: BitBet - A team from California will win the World Series :: 0.07 B (39%) on Yes, 0.11 B (61%) on No | closing in 2 days 16 hours | weight: 1`695 (100`000 to 1)
07:20:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.01494324 = 0.7472 BTC
07:39:21 BingoBoingo: The Republic of Firestone Tires successfully contains Ebola in its corner of Africa http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/10/06/354054915/firestone-did-what-governments-have-not-stopped-ebola-in-its-tracks
07:39:21 assbot: Firestone Did What Governments Have Not: Stopped Ebola In Its Tracks : Goats and Soda : NPR
07:39:43 Vexual: lol
07:40:21 Vexual: i don't even wanna read that the headline and byline are so good
07:41:05 Vexual: 'firestone being a cheap chinese tyre that vurns as good as any bridgestone, and also goats and soda
07:42:11 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2P8AQ5K.txt )
07:42:11 BingoBoingo: !b 5
07:42:11 BingoBoingo: lol
07:44:25 BingoBoingo: http://journals.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleid=101927
07:44:28 assbot: PsychiatryOnline | The Journal of Neuropsychiatry and Clinical Neurosciences | Ejaculation After Defecation Without Orgasm Induced by Milnacipran
07:45:19 Vexual: bonfires over
07:49:44 Vexual: theres milnacipran in the marshmallows people, everyone out
07:51:23 Vexual: is not a good shit good enough?
07:51:53 Vexual: science gone mad
07:54:32 Vexual: have you seen this BingoBoingo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBC-46
07:55:13 Vexual: apparently it dissappears tumours in days
07:55:48 BingoBoingo: Interesting. Also apparently it keeps the Roos at bay
07:56:05 Vexual: well i think possums dont eat it
07:56:37 Vexual: although im not sure if anyones given them aesophogeal cancer yet
07:57:03 Vexual: qbiotics is still accepting investors i tink
07:57:43 Vexual: do yo uknow anything of the chemistry?
07:58:09 BingoBoingo: Not all too much.
07:58:39 Vexual: any idea on extraction?
07:58:49 Vexual: theres 5 years of black market there
07:58:50 fluffypony: I think I'm going to re-watch Rick & Morty
07:58:51 Vexual: :)
07:59:02 fluffypony: season 2 is too far away
07:59:31 BingoBoingo: There also isn't much that could really be divined looking at such a big small molecular weight molecule
08:00:19 Vexual: if you care to read the paper id be interested
08:00:21 bounce: huh, the usg cannot copyright but it can own patents? bit of a loophole there.
08:01:32 Vexual: bounce copyright and patent are two different concepts
08:01:51 assbot: xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
08:02:02 bounce: !up xiando
08:03:10 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Africa do anything interesting with BTC today?
08:03:20 fluffypony: well we haven't banned it yet
08:04:38 punkman: https://www.mailpile.is/blog/2014-10-07_Some_Thoughts_on_GnuPG.html
08:04:38 assbot: Mailpile: Some thoughts on working with GnuPG
08:06:20 punkman: http://rem.eifzilla.de/archives/2013/07/16/gpg4win-and-the-feds
08:06:20 assbot: Gpg4win and the feds -- Werner's own blurbs
08:10:18 Vexual: what the hell are you making?
08:12:02 BingoBoingo: Having to ship GnuPG binaries to Windows and MacOS users is bad enough, but dependency hell is a place we want to stay out of. If we were writing Mailpile in, say, C or C++, then PGPME would definitely be the library of choice, but we're not, so it isn't. << lulz
08:15:06 BingoBoingo: "These both follow the same output format, according to DETAILS. But look what happens when I add spaces to align the columns:" << Then don't align the fucking columns to make them "look nice"
08:15:11 Vexual: you were reading electum a few days ago
08:15:26 punkman: I'm on to supybot now
08:15:34 Vexual: ahhh
08:15:37 RagnarDanneskjol: which?
08:15:45 punkman: which supybot?
08:15:54 punkman: guess I'm going with Limnoria fork
08:16:06 punkman: maybe nanotube has some advice on this matter
08:16:18 Vexual: i still have no idea what youre doing
08:16:22 punkman: nanotube, should I use Limnoria?
08:16:36 RagnarDanneskjol: which as in whats the project - sorry If i overlooked
08:17:06 punkman: rewriting deedbot and maybe other things
08:17:15 RagnarDanneskjol: OH excellent
08:18:44 Vexual: what does deedbot do?
08:18:57 RagnarDanneskjol: http://deedbot.com
08:18:57 assbot: deedBot
08:19:32 Vexual: i like to read the cover first
08:19:32 RagnarDanneskjol: the guy is mia and never delivered the final code ver so had to have one of my haxor friends break into his server to extract it.. server has more holes than (something with a lot of holes)
08:19:58 punkman: well who wants a PHP hairball anyway
08:20:05 RagnarDanneskjol: xactly
08:21:53 thestringpuller: PHP hairballs are gross
08:21:56 thestringpuller: python ftw
08:22:40 punkman: he did duct-tape the thing pretty quickly, I'll give him that
08:22:49 thestringpuller: at least it works.
08:22:50 thestringpuller: .deed
08:22:55 thestringpuller: >:\
08:23:05 RagnarDanneskjol: needs voice
08:23:20 Vexual: !up deedbot
08:23:32 RagnarDanneskjol: php is what the boss ordered - despite my misgivings
08:24:26 thickasthieves: ;;ticker
08:24:28 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 339.09, Best ask: 339.49, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 339.69, 24 hour volume: 20390.99035761, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 342.0, 24 hour vwap: 328.165414436
08:24:46 RagnarDanneskjol: .deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
08:24:48 deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
08:24:48 deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
08:24:48 deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed
08:25:48 thestringpuller: Reddit comments always deliver!
08:25:52 thestringpuller: Yeah I'm not sure this will be so controversial. If miners want BTC to be worth more, then they'll want the network to scale. It's really that simple. And Gavin is obviously trustworthy.
08:28:10 RagnarDanneskjol: yes, quite the pinnacle of enlightened, thoughtful discourse
08:28:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8055 @ 0.00074225 = 5.9788 BTC [-] {2}
08:30:17 punkman: http://g10code.com/steed.html
08:30:17 assbot: g10 Code - STEED
08:31:39 RagnarDanneskjol: Oh. thats neat
08:35:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.13199999 = 2.772 BTC [+]
08:36:29 thestringpuller: Everyone just wants to follow Gavin and the BitcoinFoundation to the edge of the cliff.
08:41:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 58 @ 0.13099999 = 7.598 BTC [-] {2}
08:42:14 punkman: https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/sec99/whitten.html
08:50:06 Vexual: http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-content/photos/000/844/cache/84413_990x742-cb1412615706.jpg
08:52:50 thestringpuller: is that the moon or mars?
08:53:02 RagnarDanneskjol: blood moon tonight
08:53:09 punkman: you'd have noticed it if it was mars
08:53:53 Vexual: thats a likeness of Juscelino Kubitschek with the last blood moon
08:54:02 RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedbot
08:55:10 punkman: guess I'm gonna register deedbot2
08:56:30 RagnarDanneskjol: yea - we'll get it back from him soon
08:56:43 RagnarDanneskjol: maybe deedb0t
08:56:49 punkman: maybe punkbot
08:56:52 bounce: d33db0t
08:56:55 RagnarDanneskjol: OH yea
08:59:25 Vexual: http://www.eyeneer.com/video/rock/jimi-hendrix/voodoo-chile-a-slight-return this is jimi hendrix describing thet he was born of a night like tonight
09:01:10 deedBot: Bundled: 7612d32b22d661a66af49c283157bcb11b0fcc72d3230d61447199ac251675e9-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
09:04:02 Vexual: well, he doesnt actualy mentio in in that version, but theres a small return
09:09:48 deedBot: published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/7612d32b22d661a66af49c283157bcb11b0fcc72d3230d61447199ac251675e9-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
09:15:45 punkman: RagnarDanneskjol: did you see anything interesting at the conference
09:17:10 RagnarDanneskjol: i got delayed - missed the first conference - headed to this one tomorrow. there is like a whole week of them.. hashers united(laff) comes the next day
09:17:17 RagnarDanneskjol: going to http://coinagenda.com/
09:17:18 assbot: Home
09:18:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 74 @ 0.01059552 = 0.7841 BTC [-] {2}
09:19:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.13099999 = 0.786 BTC [-]
09:19:34 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Would you be up for taking some pictures?
09:19:44 Vexual: ooh baby
09:20:17 thickasthieves: kinda looks like a scammy conference
09:20:25 RagnarDanneskjol: hmm, maybe. this is all investor derps and I'm not much of a camera guy, but guess I can take some spy shots
09:21:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00074277 = 20.2405 BTC [+] {2}
09:21:12 punkman: slap on a qntra.net badge, say you are from the press
09:21:18 RagnarDanneskjol: they are all scammy conferences. make your skin crawl to hear most of the stuff there - like the worst of the worst. I just go to gawk
09:21:23 RagnarDanneskjol: Ha
09:21:50 thickasthieves: Brian Santos is the BitcoinPride/SatoshiPoker guy
09:22:07 thickasthieves: he doesnt say so when he speaks tho
09:22:13 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Just if there's any booths out there would be appreciated. If you get 5 picutres I'll toss you Hundredth out of the Cardinals won the NLDS kitty.
09:22:43 BingoBoingo: Also Hundredth is the new slang for what used to be called a bitcent
09:22:54 RagnarDanneskjol: heh. no 'exhibitors at this one. its all start up pitched to Angel losers
09:23:00 BingoBoingo: Ah
09:23:04 RagnarDanneskjol: pitches*
09:23:58 punkman: will they have lulzy powerpoints?
09:24:05 BingoBoingo: Oh, so the desperate starter uppers don't have booths in a pen where they sling pitches like at Arrington's?
09:24:06 RagnarDanneskjol: i can only hope so
09:24:25 Vexual: hundreth? sounds a litlle sr ?
09:24:51 Vexual: who says hundreth?
09:25:10 BingoBoingo: Vexual: We have to accept that Bitcoin itself may become contraband all on its own.
09:25:52 Vexual: mayhaps ill just bust ross out, did they move his 140k?
09:26:10 BingoBoingo: Havent checked
09:26:35 Vexual: i think they did
09:27:10 Vexual: this aint shawshank
09:27:35 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Check any NCAA betting lines yet this week? My usually shitbook is offering Mizzou and Georgia at even money.
09:28:23 BingoBoingo: !up eightyeight
09:28:28 RagnarDanneskjol: not yet - usually wait till thursday. That will be a great game.
09:28:29 BingoBoingo: !up eizodo
09:28:48 punkman: http://www.worldslargestship.com/building-a-triple-e/
09:28:49 assbot: Building it | Worlds largest ship
09:29:00 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Either great or horrible. Georgia hasn't been looking very Georgia like this year.
09:29:36 RagnarDanneskjol: i kno. fun fact: Ragnar played as redshirt freshman for the bulldogs
09:29:52 RagnarDanneskjol: d-end
09:30:32 RagnarDanneskjol: I actually hate the team tho,, my team's USC (carolina)
09:30:53 RagnarDanneskjol: altho I fuking HATE Spurrier.
09:31:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00074697 = 4.183 BTC [+]
09:32:23 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDDYcyrCNE so, you like baseball?
09:32:35 BingoBoingo: Nice. I imagine no one really likes Spurrier though. Sort of coach who wins consistently, but it is so painful to endure the way he does it.
09:33:34 punkman: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/10/06/beepi-raises-60-million-to-sell-used-cars-to-the-smartphone-generation/
09:33:34 assbot: Beepi Raises $60 Million to Sell Used Cars to the Smartphone Generation - Digits - WSJ
09:33:53 punkman: " in a bet that people will purchase used cars with a few taps from their smartphones without ever taking a test drive."
09:36:00 Vexual: surely the smartphone generation prefers new cars?
09:36:04 punkman: oh they even take bitcoin
09:36:43 BingoBoingo: I prefer used cars myself, but would never buy one without a test drive.
09:36:53 Vexual: thats it\
09:37:08 Vexual: but kids line up to pay 1000 for the new ihone
09:37:32 BingoBoingo: Give the cars a few years to separate what is actually reliable vs. crippled
09:40:26 BingoBoingo: Also the way cars depreciate unless you do the retarded route and go Dealer certified the discount for used is immense.
09:41:30 BingoBoingo: Additionally I've found a new favorite pdf de-turder http://document.online-convert.com/convert-to-txt
09:41:31 assbot: Convert documents to TXT
09:41:46 Vexual: neato
09:41:50 RagnarDanneskjol: oh NICE - i need this
09:42:59 BingoBoingo: It was the first converter I tried that actually de-shitted the court pdf successfully
09:43:16 Vexual: eat beans
09:43:21 Vexual: before court
09:44:10 BingoBoingo: Vexual: I have to get a hold of the lawyer today, and find out why again it appears he failed to get a dismissal.
09:44:27 Vexual: dismissal you'll have
09:44:54 punkman: BingoBoingo: is it because he keeps getting paid?
09:45:08 Vexual: ;;google frank matano naples
09:45:09
gribble:
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09:46:08 BingoBoingo: punkman: He only gets paid again if it goes to trial.
09:48:51 BingoBoingo: But he already seems too busy for his caseload.
09:49:43 Vexual: look him in the eye and tell him what you want, same goes for the judge
09:51:53 Vexual: save if for the day if your guy is being a cunt
09:52:44 BingoBoingo: I already have a sack of secret shit ready for trial if it comes to that.
09:55:26
cazalla:
mircea_popescu:
09:56:56 cazalla: sgornick: Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter - http://Twitter.com/Qntra <<< you can change email to info@qntra.net, happy to leave it as a feed, ty for that
09:56:58 assbot: Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter
09:57:46 BingoBoingo: Does anyone here participate in webbotforum.com they've been sending a tiny bit of traffic, but no way to know in what context we've been linked
10:03:51 punkman: BingoBoingo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Bot
10:03:51 assbot: Web Bot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
10:03:56 punkman: probably automated
10:04:23 BingoBoingo: punkman: If you go to their domain it seems more like a sort of club or cult thing.
10:04:35 BingoBoingo: Seekrit manifest and all
10:04:48 punkman: yeah think I've seen it before
10:08:37 punkman: here's a "report" from them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AyMq5iYUhI
10:08:37 assbot: IDIR6212014FlyingNaziEconomy - YouTube
10:13:17 Vexual: that being said, it's highly likey the best of the suisse banks are unchanged still
10:16:12 Vexual: and bingoboingos case will be dismissed
10:16:22 BingoBoingo: I hope
10:16:36 Vexual: well it's kinda how things go
10:17:23 Vexual: you're probably tagged as a pep
10:19:40 Vexual: ie politically exposed person
10:20:25 BingoBoingo: Maybe?
10:21:05 BingoBoingo: After seeing what happened with Weev, maybe the figure I'm less problematic if not exposed to prison?
10:21:43 Vexual: well im channelling tomme le jones here now, but id say if you dont do too mcuh wrong in the next well youll be fine
10:24:46 Vexual: tomme lee jones never typed that dunk
10:24:50 Vexual: *drunk
10:25:17 Vexual: who's weev?
10:25:30 cazalla: gnaa
10:25:51 Vexual: u wot?
10:26:13 cazalla: ;;ud gnaa
10:26:14 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GNAA | Nov 29, 2004 ... Are you a gay nigger!? YES!! well there you go...you are eligible. GNAA came to town but no one went to the convention. I felt bad. Wait. what?
10:26:24 Vexual: yes but weev?
10:26:34 Vexual: oh
10:27:21 Vexual: cazalla a desk at that coop might bring scoops
10:27:55 Vexual: or chinese lunches
10:28:06 cazalla: just catching up on logs, then i'll check out links
10:28:36 Vexual: all mojo
10:28:49 Vexual: all day
10:30:18 Vexual: ;;gettrust cazalla
10:30:19 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Vexual to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Vexual&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014
10:31:13 cazalla: what's your wot name Vexual
10:31:20 Vexual: muxne
10:32:20 cazalla: ;;rate muxne 1 true blue fair dinkum aussie battler
10:32:21 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
10:32:39 cazalla: fuck that's too hard right now
10:32:45 Vexual: grappa?
10:33:04 cazalla: i've had a beer but i just finished driving syd to melb
10:33:17 Vexual: youll need a few more
10:33:23 cazalla: so many dead roos on the hume hwy yet none in sight
10:33:41 Vexual: did you see the guy hit a roo on a harley on liveleak?
10:33:42 cazalla: nah just 1, i'm done (excessive) drinking
10:33:46 cazalla: no lol
10:33:57 Vexual: he hit it square and held it
10:34:06 Vexual: 115kph
10:35:06 cazalla: there is a gixxer hitting one on youtube but no harley, that it?
10:35:46 Vexual: i dont know what gixxer is
10:36:17 cazalla: gsxr
10:36:27 cazalla: the suzukis
10:36:32 Vexual: im sure it said harley
10:36:42 Vexual: 1100?
10:36:55 cazalla: found it
10:37:01 Vexual: thatd be more than 155 and chop suey
10:37:20 Vexual: weights up higher
10:37:44 cazalla: damn, lucky rider
10:37:59 Vexual: good rider first, also lucky
10:38:44 Vexual: i rode a gsxr once
10:39:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87600 @ 0.00074185 = 64.9861 BTC [-] {5}
10:40:08 Vexual: i saw colours
10:40:31 cazalla: i had a zzr for a bit, thinking i'll play some road rash for real
10:40:36 cazalla: you know how that worked out
10:42:01 Vexual: thats a fast piece of machinery, and the valves sound special
10:42:19 Vexual: give you the kinda feedback you need at 100 mph
10:42:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/supreme_court_dispatches/2014/10/supreme_court_arguments_for_arkansas_prisoner_beard_case_what_can_you_hide.html
10:42:25 assbot: Supreme Court arguments for Arkansas prisoner beard case: What can you hide in half-inch stubble?
10:42:48 Vexual: im guessing you bent the front spokes and gave it away?
10:43:21 cazalla: nah, i came off the road, mind you this was zzr 250cc, not even a powerful bike
10:43:41 cazalla: slid on the gravel a bit, bike was all scratched to hell, spooked me enough to call it a day
10:43:50 Vexual: well a zzr 250 and a gsxr1100 across the traffic lights...
10:43:55 Vexual: and top speed...
10:44:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.13099999 = 2.096 BTC [-] {2}
10:44:36 cazalla: was for the best
10:44:39 Vexual: theres not much in it
10:44:47 cazalla: zzr is a nice bike
10:45:25 Vexual: yah
10:46:17 cazalla: anyway, things we do when young and stupid
10:47:18 Vexual: yeah, i wouldn't wanna ride one all the way to sydney
10:49:59 Vexual: but a zzr 250 will take anything across the likes at 13k revs
10:50:05 Vexual: *lights
10:50:33 thickasthieves: ;;ticker
10:50:35 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 345.79, Best ask: 346.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 346.0, 24 hour volume: 22349.95030193, 24 hour low: 312.37, 24 hour high: 346.0, 24 hour vwap: 330.570145068
10:50:38 thickasthieves: yep yep
10:50:44 Vexual: unless you're an elf on a powerband aprillia 125
10:52:16 Vexual: shits got more ^2 than a 747
10:56:47 Vexual: i hope they put kawasakis in hoverbikes
10:58:03 Vexual: or are they called hoverquads?
10:58:41 Vexual: quikes?
11:00:58 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JspJVTQz7dU loose tappets
11:05:04 dub: sounds like my car
11:06:01 Vexual: deus ex machina
11:06:11 dub: which has a yamaha 1800 vtec
11:06:34 Vexual: honda?
11:06:41 dub: fuck you
11:06:47 Vexual: its cool
11:06:54 dub: toyota corolla
11:06:55 Vexual: its an excellent machine
11:07:12 Vexual: blueprinted?
11:07:23 dub: mostly stock
11:07:54 Vexual: what year?
11:10:42 Vexual: i had an 82
11:11:13 Vexual: leaked oil
11:11:26 Vexual: and power
11:12:42 Vexual: and occassionally din't run
11:13:45 Vexual: but iv'e been in a nice one
11:14:14 Vexual: made me wish i knew how to maintain
11:21:30 dub: '01 jdm zze123, sold as sportivo in au
11:23:11 dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQeRVMuMdVc US equiv, about how mine runs
11:23:11 assbot: Riyoz Racing Toyota MR-S / Spyder with 2zz-ge engine in Sepang Circuit ( SIC ) - YouTube
11:24:11 dub: er matrix is US body
11:24:19 Vexual: i sthat a rear engine jobbie?
11:24:36 dub: mrs is
11:26:55 Vexual: spyder for the mrs
11:27:49 Vexual: most borrowed car evar
11:30:41 Vexual: now its all tts and 350s
11:33:24 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwO43jRd7M0 just gotta get milk
11:40:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 24031 @ 0.00003222 = 0.7743 BTC [+] {2}
11:42:29 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/coinagenda-conference-begins-today/
11:42:39 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvL-kiDbNeU
11:44:04 RagnarDanneskjol: coingenda started yesterday fyi bingoboingo
11:44:16 BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: That was just a reception
11:44:27 Vexual: melbourne seems realer about doind stuff
11:45:18 RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea - i see you mentioned that - I got my confrences mixed - its a fuull week
11:45:27 Vexual: that said ive never been to vegas
11:48:04 bounce: after a receiont last night ... after a reception last night. so there was like a reception last night? did I get that right?
11:48:50 BingoBoingo: fxd
11:49:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbHLj7xt5Rw afroman circa 200 (lyric:sell your crack on the internet but not yet)
11:59:34 mthreat: Vexual: 350z?
11:59:55 Vexual: yah, ladies car
12:00:14 Vexual: get the saloon
12:00:48 mthreat: i had a 350z, great track car
12:00:59 Vexual: well then
12:01:20 mthreat: and i had this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_P8JMp4aNo
12:01:20 assbot: 1995 Toyota MR2 turbo - YouTube
12:02:38 Vexual: ill take the mr2
12:04:12 mthreat: which saloon do you mean?
12:04:22 mthreat: above
12:04:33 Vexual: whats it called the nissan?
12:04:52 Vexual: i forget
12:05:15 mthreat: the 350z?
12:05:19 mthreat: gt-r?
12:05:26 Vexual: thats the ladies coupe
12:05:30 Vexual: thast it
12:06:02 mthreat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfLxCHIWK8 <-- ladies?
12:06:02 assbot: Dicey 350z exit from turn 2 at Texas World Speedway CCW - YouTube
12:09:14 Vexual: it's a sexy car, i just wouldnt own it
12:09:47 mthreat: fair 'nuff
12:10:02 dub: exige still have the 2zz-ge?
12:10:22 Vexual: ill take a gtr
12:11:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs heres your fat ass 350
12:13:03 mthreat: yeah, and the later models are supercharged
12:13:20 Vexual: supercharged?
12:13:38 mthreat: (Exiges). yeah, my S260 has 260 horsepower with a 1.8L engine
12:13:49 Vexual: that might cause some forward mmomentum
12:14:04 mthreat: with a 2000-pound car, yep
12:14:19 dub: yeah NA version in my car
12:14:45 Vexual: NA is NA
12:15:51 dub: know a couple of dudes with blower kits
12:17:42 Vexual: well let me at cha with a dremel and a scredriver
12:20:06 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwgGuadsqyo
12:21:11 Vexual: corolla
12:22:22 Vexual: get acii on the case put a belt drive blower on that shit
12:22:29 Vexual: *ascii
12:23:13 Vexual: fix the oil seals manyana
12:24:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20752 @ 0.0007423 = 15.4042 BTC [+]
12:29:22 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5LQxrZccQE
12:29:57 Vexual: looks like julia t
12:34:42 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5I7lXV9b88
12:37:41 Vexual: fuckin aye
12:41:00 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aepBpZ3kXek
12:46:11 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyaUtnWr8Gw jack nicholson on freedom in the usa
12:49:52 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/salmon-festival-a-financial-flop-town-reveals-1.2792049
12:49:52 assbot: Salmon Festival a financial flop, town reveals - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
12:50:15 nubbins`: imagine, Maroon 5 was the headliner and nobody wanted to go
12:50:20 nubbins`: who woulda thought
12:50:29 Vexual: id go, i love maroon 5
12:50:49 Vexual: also salmon
12:50:59 Vexual: prolly moreso
12:52:34 Vexual: im ust be part inuit
12:54:22 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmugSMBh_iI
12:54:37 Vexual: did you go?
12:58:43 thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes
12:58:44 Vexual: guess not
12:58:55 thickasthieves: wisdom of the crowd!
13:00:24 Vexual: aerosmith , kiss, marooooooooooooooooooooooon5
13:00:41 Vexual: the lcal scan't say it
13:01:51 Vexual: marun?
13:02:13 Vexual: mar'un
13:02:24 Vexual: eh fek it
13:06:54 nanotube: punkman1: yea limnoria is a good choice.
13:07:15 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMEGBsw6j8
13:11:07 Vexual: orb learn relativity
13:11:20 *: Vexual wanker
13:12:49 Vexual: orb report hapiness
13:13:43 *: Vexual vaoant
13:15:30 nubbins`: thickasthieves they changed to appease the wrong crowd
13:15:49 nubbins`: this concert is in the middle of the fuckin island in a town of 13k people
13:16:17 nubbins`: generally they get some washed-up act like kiss or the eagles or aerosmith, everybody's parents drive out to central to relive the days of their youth
13:16:29 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RXRHmIFB_c
13:16:34 nubbins`: nobody's driving 5 hours to see a maroon 5 concert.
13:18:58 thickasthieves: or salmon
13:19:06 thickasthieves: nor*
13:21:08 nubbins`: well, y'know, rightly so.
13:21:24 nubbins`: anyway, attendance this year was about 1/3 of last year, when they ran out of water.
13:21:30 Vexual: id drive 5 hors for a slice of salmon
13:21:56 nubbins`: and so at the end of the day, the town is out half a mill
13:22:03 thickasthieves: we have a shrimp fetsival here that does really well
13:22:09 Vexual: thats a half thruth
13:22:12 nubbins`: maybe next year they'll get william hung
13:22:16 thickasthieves: they dont get famous bands so much as very popular cover bands
13:22:26 nubbins`: heh thickasthieves that's the idea
13:22:49 mircea_popescu: yeah i was gonna say that sounds like a winner
13:23:09 nubbins`: "up next: pistols & flowers"
13:23:24 nubbins`: "up next: led hot zilli peppers"
13:23:31 Vexual: lol
13:23:39 nubbins`: (they cover rhcp AND zeppelin, natch)
13:23:47 mircea_popescu: you srs ?!
13:23:51 Vexual: yay not wasting moeny!
13:23:51 nubbins`: no joke
13:24:02 mircea_popescu: pistols & flowers ?
13:24:10 nubbins`: also no joke
13:24:11 mircea_popescu: wtf's next, "the whom" ? "the bind" ?
13:24:18 Vexual: lol
13:24:28 nubbins`: i had an idea that we'd have a newfoundland-based Who cover band called The Wha?
13:24:33 mircea_popescu: ahahh
13:24:45 mircea_popescu: moar like the why, amirite.
13:24:55 *: nubbins` claps softly
13:24:56 Vexual: meth + none is cheaper than someone
13:25:03 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnoxRXmKrdU
13:25:03 assbot: Led Hot Zili Peppers - Proud Mary - Turtle Jacks, Jun.14/11 - YouTube
13:25:15 nubbins`: i suspect these guys are just hanson with some hair dye
13:25:25 nubbins`: drummer looks about 9
13:25:33 Vexual: kids rock
13:25:58 mircea_popescu: !up brianhoffman
13:26:04 Vexual: drummers going places
13:26:14 nubbins`: not with his hair in his eyes
13:26:29 mircea_popescu: just as long as he doesn't care about the blood...
13:26:30 Vexual: he'll be shaved and get better friends
13:26:36 nubbins`: Vexual in the meantime, sick article about silkscreening touchscreens
13:26:50 nubbins`: wish there was more video ;/
13:26:50 Vexual: yeah its the future and shit
13:27:12 mircea_popescu: ahhh this is lulzy. fraudsters traffic on bitcoin bottom day, = the entire month of august.
13:27:13 nubbins`: once i figure out a food-based emulsion i'm going to start screening jam on my sandwiches
13:27:18 mircea_popescu: this blog be goin' places.
13:27:25 mircea_popescu: nubbins` mayo.
13:27:33 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i guess everyone figured you had the answers
13:27:42 mircea_popescu: people have been painting with mayo since about 1500
13:28:00 nubbins`: but wouldn't all the egg just preserve everything nicely?
13:28:29 nubbins`: actually this reminds me, roomie made mayo from scratch the other day
13:28:46 nubbins`: i think it was a good idea letting this guy move in
13:28:48 mircea_popescu: nubbins` 20gb dood. more than all the text everyone who ever wrote the constitution ever read.
13:29:05 nubbins`: that's a lotta text
13:29:18 mircea_popescu: which guy ?
13:29:52 nubbins`: so there's this restaurant here, RAYMONDS, and it's been voted the top restaurant in canada a number of times by a number of different publications who feel it's in their power to dish out such an award
13:30:11 nubbins`: new roomie gets a job there 2 days after he moves in
13:30:16 nubbins`: and MAN can this guy fuckin cook
13:30:47 thickasthieves: The Whom, lol!
13:30:56 mircea_popescu: o hai tat
13:31:15 Vexual: resturants go bad with bad mayo
13:31:41 nubbins`: i had these roma tomatoes and i wondered aloud "what can i make with these?"
13:31:48 Vexual: its where the very term chicken shit came from
13:32:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` just ftr, i make all the girls learn to make mayo from scratch. which means, from eggs.
13:32:23 nubbins`: 9 hours later we'd made homemade mayo, lasagna from scratch, a full shoulder of pulled pork, fresh ravioli, pan-seared cod...
13:32:24 mircea_popescu: it's not so hard really.
13:32:42 mircea_popescu: but lasagna takes more than nine hours.
13:32:57 Vexual: you make lagsngne in house?
13:33:02 nubbins`: the prep work was done the day before
13:33:07 nubbins`: had to slow-roast the tomatoes in the oven overnight
13:33:10 mircea_popescu: a
13:33:19 Vexual: immabout to get garfield on your arse mr poescue
13:33:35 mircea_popescu: hm ?
13:33:36 nubbins`: but yeah. pasta, sauce, meat, all of it from scratch
13:33:48 mircea_popescu: well the meat was ostensibly made from cow.
13:33:51 nubbins`: HEH
13:33:51 kakobrekla: did ya kill the cow?
13:33:54 nubbins`: moose, in fact
13:34:01 nubbins`: ground it ourselves tho!
13:34:04 kakobrekla: ah, ran over it?
13:34:08 thickasthieves: under
13:34:18 nubbins`: nah my mom is from "the bay", we get all the moose we want for free
13:34:30 nubbins`: heh thickasthieves knows how they're shaped
13:34:38 mircea_popescu: lol
13:34:40 nubbins`: generally you hit a moose, it ends up in your lap
13:34:46 kakobrekla: does moose taste similar to deer?
13:34:51 nubbins`: never tried deer
13:34:55 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah, similar to bison.
13:34:58 nubbins`: moose is like a spicy/stringy beef
13:35:06 kakobrekla: never had bison or moose. had deer many times.
13:35:18 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ?
13:35:21 nubbins`: caribou might be closert
13:35:23 nubbins`: *closer
13:35:49 kakobrekla: possibly although i dont recall it.
13:35:50 mircea_popescu: he lives basically in this model railroad world. all they got there is rabbits, quail and the occasional deer. tinycountry.
13:36:07 kakobrekla: who me?
13:36:08 nubbins`: and dogs
13:36:11 mircea_popescu: yes you :D
13:36:25 kakobrekla: meh
13:36:30 kakobrekla: horse ftw
13:36:32 thickasthieves: they have ice too
13:36:44 nubbins`: anyway this all started with "i wonder what i can do with these roma tomatoes"
13:37:02 mircea_popescu: ok ok, horse works. cow -> moose is about the same amplitude as chicken -> horse
13:37:07 nubbins`: 24h later, eating moose/pork/tomato ravioli w/ cod and veg: "this is one thing you can do with those tomatoes"
13:37:31 nubbins`: 9h after that, eating lasagna: "this is another thing"
13:37:50 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you forgot 'edible house mouse'
13:37:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` careful you don't end up living with an ex little producer.
13:37:55 Vexual: i make a wholemeal pasta for my lagsagne
13:37:56 kakobrekla: eh
13:38:00 kakobrekla: 'edible dormouse'
13:38:08 mircea_popescu: uh. wtf
13:38:14 kakobrekla: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_dormouse
13:38:14 assbot: Edible dormouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
13:38:21 mircea_popescu: edible by whom, squirrels ?
13:38:25 nubbins`: ex little producer
13:38:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins` paul f little
13:38:57 kakobrekla: these live in the woods and their fat has great medical value
13:39:07 nubbins`: "this, sadly, is another thing you can do with those tomatoes :("
13:39:24 kakobrekla: but yes, they have been and are still (traditionally) eaten
13:40:00 Vexual: rats?
13:40:07 mircea_popescu: looks more like a chinchilla
13:40:14 kakobrekla: romans ate em
13:40:33 thickasthieves: Glis Glis, heh
13:40:38 Vexual: do you mice the bones or dress them?
13:40:41 kakobrekla: smaller than chinchilla
13:40:49 kakobrekla: its like a big mouse
13:41:10 Vexual: mice the whole thing? fur and all?
13:41:15 kakobrekla: very good furr also
13:41:15 thickasthieves: like a grey chipmunk
13:41:46 kakobrekla: my grandfather still hunts them
13:41:59 Vexual: lets stick to beef
13:42:24 thickasthieves: should we use glue or mayo?
13:42:38 nubbins`: i've got a variety of adhesives we can use
13:42:40 Vexual: what is this the fucking roadkill cafe?
13:42:46 nubbins`: how about alba-tac?
13:42:59 thickasthieves: this room would probly prefer sugru
13:43:08 nubbins`: i have some sugru but i think it's expired.
13:43:09 Vexual: sugru?
13:43:20 thickasthieves: adhesive putty
13:43:22 nubbins`: feels unusually stiff inside the package
13:43:29 nubbins`: Vexual room-temp-cure silicone
13:43:38 Vexual: thats not food
13:43:41 thickasthieves: lol
13:43:45 nubbins`: who said anything about food?
13:43:50 nubbins`: we're trying to stick to beef here
13:43:59 Vexual: and mayo
13:44:11 nubbins`: mayo's not sticky enough
13:44:25 Vexual: although i can cook kangaroo like you won't see anywhere
13:44:37 thickasthieves: it makes you blind?
13:44:56 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_pornography#mediaviewer/File:Wiki-POV-pornography.png
13:44:56 assbot: Gonzo pornography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
13:45:06 nubbins`: now you know
13:45:16 Vexual: no just generally, people leave kangaroo off the menu
13:45:58 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> mayo's not sticky enough << you can make it as sticky as you want
13:46:05 Vexual: because is a shade harder to do than mayo, and blantantly unnecessary
13:46:11 nubbins`: but i'm almost out of oil :(
13:46:24 mircea_popescu: use lube i guess ?!
13:46:39 nubbins`: would precum work?
13:46:52 Vexual: you get one of two experiences
13:47:02 Vexual: good and bad
13:47:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you gonna make mayo out of eggs and eggs ?
13:47:58 kakobrekla: actually worth it , lol, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZM-eG-SZ_A&feature=youtu.be
13:47:58 assbot: Fake questions at the catwalks during Milano Fashion Week - YouTube
13:48:00 nubbins`: actually, i don't know if i have any eggs left.
13:48:06 nubbins`: the lasagne took like ten of them
13:48:06 mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ?
13:48:12 Vexual: yoghurt is the lesser level to mayo
13:48:42 Vexual: its supposed to be ... err how you say
13:48:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lmao idjits
13:49:18 kakobrekla: totally
13:49:25 Vexual: cultured?
13:49:31 kakobrekla: i dont want to be on this planet anymore!
13:49:34 thickasthieves: kako awesome vid lol
13:49:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla or you could just no go to milan for faker week
13:49:53 mircea_popescu: i mean fashion week
13:50:50 kakobrekla: if only this would be limited to that.
13:50:55 Vexual: its all about the greek
13:51:12 thickasthieves: "everything you can put on your head, i love it."
13:51:52 nubbins`: shoes
13:51:53 mircea_popescu: "ballsacs especially"
13:52:47 mircea_popescu: can you use phpmyadmin to administer anything other than mysql incidentally ?
13:53:28 kakobrekla: not that id known
13:54:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, all these people giving the sr prosecution a hard time are just assholes.
13:54:58 mircea_popescu: they got on the server and did if (database === php), got True and are all in the right.
13:56:46 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJQSAiODqI
14:01:28 mircea_popescu: Scalia cuts him off: ?Well, religious beliefs aren?t reasonable. I mean, religious beliefs are categorical. You know, it?s ? God tells you. It?s not a matter of being reasonable.? He looks amazed. ?God, be reasonable??
14:01:35 mircea_popescu: gotta love scalia lol
14:01:50 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/trinity-western-grad-attacked-for-being-christian-in-job-rejection-1.2791323
14:01:50 assbot: Trinity Western grad 'attacked' for being Christian in job rejection - British Columbia - CBC News
14:02:32 nubbins`: check the "read the full email" link just below the picture of the red viking guy
14:03:22 mircea_popescu: imo that's great precedent. hopefully people start attacking muslims for being muslims, it's a fucking ridoinculous religion and it needs some public mockery.
14:04:07 Vexual: i havent read the book
14:05:34 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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14:05:43 Vexual: thats lad looks like she might not be able to fjord tho
14:06:48 Vexual: since when did no or yes need a qualifier
14:06:49 mircea_popescu: to fjord ? it's a fjverb now !?
14:06:56 Vexual: ya
14:06:59 Vexual: its both
14:07:46 Vexual: english is whorish like that
14:07:57 thickasthieves: viking guy says, re jesus "if i was to meet the guy, i'd actually fuck him."
14:08:27 nubbins`: +1 hey?
14:08:42 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't fuck dubious jew carpenter guys
14:08:51 mircea_popescu: mary magdalene, however, maybe.
14:08:58 mircea_popescu: this is pre-syphilis after all.
14:08:58 nubbins`: did he die a jew, tho?
14:09:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's with this canadian preoccupation with death in a fucking context.
14:09:18 nubbins`: iirc the guy was baptized
14:09:29 nubbins`: heavens ripped open, etc etc, john had a bit of concern over it all
14:09:39 mircea_popescu: the ripped open heavens i'd fuck
14:09:55 nubbins`: who wouldn't?!
14:10:31 nubbins`: "Given that the SR Server was hosting a blatantly criminal website, it would have been reasonable for the FBI to 'hack' into it in order to search it, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary."
14:10:37 nubbins`: what the fuckin fuck?
14:10:45 mircea_popescu: http://stmarymagcoa.org/ << lol!
14:10:45 assbot: St Mary Magdalen Parish - Home
14:11:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins` welcome to yesterday's lols.
14:11:10 mircea_popescu: they were had!
14:11:12 nubbins`: just catching up
14:12:09 nubbins`: "given that the american senator had pornography on his computer, the glorious kingdom of saudi arabia hacked into his computers without compunction, as any such 'hack' would simply have constituted a search of foreign property known to contain criminal evidence, for which a warrant was not necessary"
14:13:05 nubbins`: welcome to the asymmetric future
14:13:17 mircea_popescu: certainly.
14:13:45 mircea_popescu: im sure the argument will be brought on any future "onoes we were hacked" trials.
14:13:59 mircea_popescu: course you were hacked, you're the fucking government, everyone's principal enemy.
14:15:03 nubbins`: !s hard fork
14:15:03 assbot: 17 results for 'hard fork' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hard+fork
14:15:26 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes. wisdom of the crowd! << quite. the worst thing you can do is listen to the idiots. just because they do with the mouth doesn't mean they actually want any of it implemented. what's next, cow barns made according to cow moos ?
14:16:00 thickasthieves: lol
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14:16:09 thickasthieves: !b 2
14:16:17 mircea_popescu: there isn't even a process to turn mooing into blueprints.
14:16:22 nubbins`: mooooprints
14:16:33 *: nubbins` tips hat, lights jazz cigarette
14:16:42 mircea_popescu: lol jazz cigarette
14:16:51 mircea_popescu: ;;google patricia kaas is not jazz
14:16:52
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14:17:31 nubbins`: hm, i wonder...
14:17:34 nubbins`: ;;ud jazz cigarette
14:17:34 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jazz%20cigarette | A slang term used for Marijuana cigarettes during the 1920's in the United States. Cannabis cigarettes were sold in jazz clubs during this period thus the origin of ...
14:17:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you asshole, aerosmith ain't washed up!!!!1
14:17:51 nubbins`: all's well
14:17:57 nubbins`: mircea_popescu -_-
14:18:10 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfDI2ZjXwK8
14:18:19 mircea_popescu: anyway. yeah, they did ok, 1 lb of cocaine a month for 40 years
14:18:33 nubbins`: i saw jane's addiction a few years ago. they were supposed to have steven tyler come out to play guitar for "jane says"
14:18:40 nubbins`: but the old bastard broke his brittle elbow
14:18:54 nubbins`: so they got whoever the fuck plays guitar in aerosmith instead
14:18:56 nubbins`: joe somebody?
14:19:05 mircea_popescu: tyler plays guitar now ?!
14:19:13 nubbins`: right?!
14:19:21 nubbins`: joe perry, that's it.
14:19:26 mircea_popescu: yup
14:19:32 mircea_popescu: tyler just does with the mouth
14:19:37 nubbins`: anyway, imagine that asshole and dave navarro on a stage together
14:19:48 mircea_popescu: no idea who dave is
14:19:56 mircea_popescu: but tyler's enough an asshole for any needs.
14:20:07 nubbins`: guitarist from j.a., had some success in a douchey solo career
14:20:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, perry is imo the best guitar player of all time.
14:20:21 nubbins`: very "hollywood"
14:20:21 nubbins`: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Dave_Navarro_2010.jpg
14:20:30 nubbins`: mircea_popescu FWIW he fucking slayed the song
14:20:59 mircea_popescu: kinda underrated because people are idiots and since tyler was such a magnetic frontman they forgot perry's even there
14:21:11 mircea_popescu: heck, he forgot too, leading to some animosity down the road. but anyway
14:21:49 nubbins`: til mp is into smith
14:22:23 mircea_popescu: o yeah. always been. this is what i used to answer when 12 yo girls asked a 11 yo me what music i listen to
14:22:41 nubbins`: heh. i had a brief fling around the time "get a grip" came out
14:22:42 nubbins`: didn't last
14:22:47 nubbins`: anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DHGZZ-apMk
14:22:47 assbot: Jane's Addiction - Jane Says (Live at Irvine Meadows 1991) - YouTube
14:22:56 nubbins`: NOT featuring joe perry, but hey.
14:23:04 Vexual: noice
14:23:33 mircea_popescu: i don't think they ever did something i didn;t like. but then mtv came out and i stopped following.
14:25:57 nubbins`: how about the "don
14:26:01 nubbins`: 't wanna close my eyes" shit
14:26:06 nubbins`: armageddon
14:26:19 mircea_popescu: eh get out.
14:26:39 *: nubbins` calmly tips over king w/ pawn
14:27:02 nubbins`: sorry, low blow
14:27:06 mircea_popescu: nah, the band formed in the early 70s, did it';s stuff by the end of the decade. then fairbairn pumped some life into it enough to get permanent vacation out and that's about it.
14:28:00 mircea_popescu: course the videos with applegate and tyler's young hottie are not bad, but they're not really good, either.
14:28:15 mircea_popescu: if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.
14:28:59 thickasthieves: eddie van halen is probly my #1 guitarist
14:29:19 thickasthieves: not cause i like van halen songs tremendously
14:29:25 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.
14:29:27 nubbins`: leeel
14:29:30 thickasthieves: just really appreciate how he works in them
14:29:35 mircea_popescu: shit, it's not applegate, iths the other blondie
14:29:37 mircea_popescu: wtf was her name
14:29:41 mircea_popescu: silverstone!
14:29:45 thickasthieves: arquette?
14:29:46 Vexual: blondie?
14:29:52 nubbins`: alicia
14:29:59 mircea_popescu: yeah
14:30:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you laugh, sir, but once they find a way to allow personality implants, most housewives will be running stoya 1.0
14:30:39 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU_4-5RaxU
14:30:43 thickasthieves: so, question, can digital music monetization be solved by essentially IPOing songs via bitcoin?
14:31:00 thickasthieves: each song is purchased and each customer becomes a X% owner of the current remaining % unpurchased
14:31:03 thickasthieves: sorta like a ponzi
14:31:07 thickasthieves: but not
14:31:10 thickasthieves: you get a song
14:31:14 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're missing the part about how someone, somewhere, sometime HAS TO PAY SOMETHING
14:31:19 nubbins`: mircea_popescu and most aspies will be running schwartzenegger_0.9_early_beta_SiKOSiS_cracked_with_keygen
14:31:24 mircea_popescu: that's the crux. nothing is getting solved around that.
14:31:31 thickasthieves: but they get part ownership
14:31:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's already here.
14:31:35 thickasthieves: so sales revenue
14:31:41 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves sales ? what sales ?
14:31:42 thickasthieves: stake
14:31:58 mats_cd03: so MA just passed some legislation raising min. wage to $9/hr in jan2015 and $10/hr in jan2016
14:32:01 thickasthieves: well popular artists could have preorders and min orders
14:32:08 nubbins`: mats_cd03 congratulations!
14:32:10 mats_cd03: i wonder whats going to happen
14:32:17 nubbins`: min wage was raised to $10.25 here a week or two ago
14:32:18 mats_cd03: i aint some broke nigga nubbins`
14:32:19 mircea_popescu: nobody's sold anything since 1999. ticket sales work exactly like political campaign contributions, the ticket agencies get most of the dough.
14:32:29 nubbins`: mats_cd03: it'll breathe more life into the local economy? :P
14:32:32 mircea_popescu: people still do it for the concerts, because you can generally pick a chick in the crowd to fuck.
14:32:36 mats_cd03: i doubt it
14:32:38 mircea_popescu: or even a couple of em, depending.
14:32:51 nubbins`: mats_cd03: you know that minimum-wage earners spend most of their raises, right?
14:32:53 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 nothing's gonna happen.
14:32:59 Vexual: ill be moving fixed rate rice soon
14:33:02 mats_cd03: more part time workers
14:33:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26474 @ 0.00074733 = 19.7848 BTC [+] {2}
14:33:15 mats_cd03: more people getting penalized for not having health insurance
14:33:18 nubbins`: a raise in minimum wage is a boon for small businesses that aren't too fucking stupid or poorly managed to take advantage of it
14:33:34 nubbins`: oh, wait, USA, right. the health thing.
14:33:38 mircea_popescu: heh.
14:33:39 *: nubbins` shakes head sadly
14:33:48 mats_cd03: b-b-but romneycare in MA
14:33:57 mircea_popescu: pity they don't do the same thing to education, too
14:34:01 thickasthieves: apple reports selling 25billion songs
14:34:01 mircea_popescu: O WAIT!!!!
14:34:02 mircea_popescu: mwahahaha
14:34:06 thickasthieves: soooo
14:34:10 thickasthieves: someone's buying
14:34:15 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nope.
14:34:15 nubbins`: did you know i can jam a dirty needle into the crook of my elbow, rub hobo cum in it, wrap it in plastic for a month, and the hospital will fix it FOR FREE?
14:34:48 Vexual: fuck mano
14:35:10 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why.
14:35:15 thickasthieves: $7.6bn CD sales
14:35:16 thickasthieves: lol
14:35:30 thickasthieves: $5.87b digital music
14:35:43 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968
14:35:46 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you're confusing this situation where large companies play their own game with this situation where "someone's buying".
14:35:56 mircea_popescu: look at what the "computer security" market is at, sometime.
14:36:00 nubbins`: mircea_popescu maybe if obama had pushed canadacare instead...
14:36:09 thickasthieves: i understand the numbers fluffed
14:36:18 thickasthieves: but i dont believe they are tripled or such
14:36:37 mircea_popescu: not a matter of fluffed or tripled
14:36:39 nubbins`: i've bought music through apple
14:36:41 mircea_popescu: a matter of, "not your numbers"
14:36:42 nubbins`: not much, granted
14:36:47 nubbins`: but i've done it
14:36:50 nubbins`: wait, shit, sorry.
14:37:00 mircea_popescu: like, say, couple next door does A LOT OF FUCKING. so i go over, let's see. well, they're shy now.
14:37:17 mircea_popescu: apple sells 25bn songs and if you put one for sale it suddenly gets five views and a candian quarter.
14:38:02 Vexual: were all sayin like now? i think we should stop that
14:38:16 Vexual: its vulgar
14:38:22 mircea_popescu: so what exact problem do you figure "ipoing" will solve ? apple needs your ipo like i need a beard implant.
14:38:35 thickasthieves: so youre just commenting on that the pie isnt something you can even take a slice of
14:38:43 mircea_popescu: and the non-apples aren't players now nor will they be players ever, that "market" lived its time and is now in the final phase.
14:38:50 mircea_popescu: quite.
14:38:51 Vexual: beard implant lol
14:39:32 thickasthieves: so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no?
14:39:40 mircea_popescu: not in any recognisable format.
14:39:50 BingoBoingo: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/10/08/134208/systemd-adding-its-own-console-to-linux-systems
14:39:51 assbot: Systemd Adding Its Own Console To Linux Systems - Slashdot
14:39:56 mircea_popescu: yes, apple will go bankrupt. yes, the music distribution model of dino de laurentiis will die.
14:40:14 mircea_popescu: but it will die at the hands of kids who won't pay for music and the people serving them, who will do essentially stuff like sexy saffron
14:40:16 thickasthieves: so no one will by singles nor streaming rights to them ever again?
14:40:31 mircea_popescu: it'll re-hash starting from its roots as entertainment, you'll go back to the performer, back to the instrument,
14:40:33 mircea_popescu: it's a cycle.
14:41:00 thickasthieves: but technology doesnt just remove itself from the equation
14:41:05 mircea_popescu: so you think.
14:41:24 mircea_popescu: it's a social behaviour, music. technology gets removed out of the equation all the damned time.
14:41:50 Vexual: i sure as shit dont pandora or whatever
14:42:16 mircea_popescu: ;;google katajjaq
14:42:17
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14:42:33 mircea_popescu: that's your future. a million people all doing a million weird things like ancient inuit "revivals" and so on.
14:42:36 mircea_popescu: it's that phase.
14:42:38 nubbins`: that was weird.
14:42:42 *: nubbins` eyes new RAM suspiciously
14:43:19 thickasthieves: yep and nakye west featuring throat-singer selling $10m
14:43:40 nubbins`: tanya tagaq?!
14:43:46 nubbins`: she won polaris this year
14:43:54 thickasthieves: rather $500m, after hyperinflation
14:44:07 mats_cd03: i thought the whole thing about kanye and the handicapped folks at his concert was hilarious
14:44:11 nubbins`: thickasthieves:so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no? << uh, this already happened?
14:44:17 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nah listen, these promotion things, are their own promotion thing. take inna, some romanian ex-highschool ho. got promoted for a summer.
14:44:21 mircea_popescu: take britney, a fine example.
14:44:30 mircea_popescu: these aren't artists and they aren't selling anything.
14:44:37 Vexual: $500m? ill use fluffyponys' exclaimation
14:44:50 mircea_popescu: it's like imagining the talking heads are the owners of the network. no, they're just hired labour. like the janitors, exactly.
14:44:54 mircea_popescu: the network is a different story.
14:44:59 thickasthieves: nubbins` well we're left with apple and the streamers still
14:45:23 mircea_popescu: yeah , but it's not really music, that
14:45:30 mircea_popescu: just like hot topic isn't really social commentary
14:45:38 mircea_popescu: it's just packaging, for to sell an actual product.
14:45:41 nubbins`: not so. there's a very vibrant music scene here locally as well as nationally. i can listen to this country's best music without ever listening to anything that's signed to a major label
14:45:50 thickasthieves: yknow in america, things really are less logical than you guys realize
14:45:51 mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly my point.
14:46:04 nubbins`: "music as a product" and "music actual humans with taste listen to" are two completely different things
14:46:10 thickasthieves: people pay $10/m to like 3 streaming services just cuz it's affordable and convenient and fuckit
14:46:12 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves notrly. they only appear to be, to the people captive.
14:46:17 nubbins`: this harkens back to the discussion about art we had some time ago
14:46:21 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves but they pay TO THE SERVICES
14:46:31 nubbins`: people want to capitalize the M, make it Music (tm) instead of music
14:46:32 thickasthieves: yes. i was proposing a service
14:46:33 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CL6n0FJZpk
14:46:37 mircea_popescu: the "artists" get jack, and the idea that they're selling anything is ludicrous
14:46:57 thickasthieves: i wasnt proposing solving the slavery issue of artists
14:47:02 nubbins`: protip: artists don't make money selling music, they make money doing everything else related to it but that
14:47:13 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves you sounded like you were, at least to me.
14:47:16 nubbins`: there's a reason leonard cohen's t-shirts cost more than his albums
14:47:17 thickasthieves: i was proposing the service to bitcoinize and decentralization control of purchased music
14:47:23 mircea_popescu: so what are you proposing, ways for apple to optimize its being apple ?
14:47:29 mircea_popescu: you're in no position to do that, are you now.
14:47:40 Vexual: dre made more money off his back cat than his headphones, he just likes new moeny
14:47:42 thickasthieves: or ways to bite into apple's apple by being hipper
14:47:59 mircea_popescu: lol this is like talking to dank.
14:48:00 mircea_popescu: dude.
14:48:01 thickasthieves: hip enough to sell out to yc or whatever
14:48:04 nubbins`: Vexual dre is an anomaly
14:48:14 Vexual: hes boss
14:48:22 thickasthieves: ok lets relaz and realize i'm just sharing a thought,
14:48:29 thickasthieves: i'm not selling the farm to save music
14:48:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` protip << yeah i said it above too, but somehow it dun stick.
14:48:33 nubbins`: he also made more money as a producer than as an artist
14:48:47 Vexual: producer=producer
14:48:53 nubbins`: you know how much money dick surgery made selling albums?
14:48:54 nubbins`: $5
14:48:58 thickasthieves: lol
14:49:01 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves that's not the problem. the problem is that you're insistent on discussing the topic on insanely unrelated priors.
14:49:02 nubbins`: you know how much dick surgery made selling t-shirts?
14:49:06 nubbins`: hundreds
14:49:13 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you owning the rights, ocourse
14:49:16 nubbins`: NATCH
14:49:25 mircea_popescu: the fucking point im making to him, already.
14:49:36 mircea_popescu: promotion business is a promoter's business. has jack shit to do with music.
14:49:41 nubbins`: people have fucked ideas about rights
14:49:43 mircea_popescu: they'd be selling aluminum siding just as well if they felt like it
14:49:59 Vexual: this cats got the patent too
14:50:00 nubbins`: how many times have people paid me to design something, and then ask if it's okay for them to use it for X in the future
14:50:04 nubbins`: fucking of course it's okay!!!
14:50:09 nubbins`: you paid for it! it's yours!
14:50:27 nubbins`: the fact that this surprises people is fucked
14:50:31 thickasthieves: u guys never let me just kickstartify decentralizationed ideas anymore
14:50:41 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves it's because we love you.
14:50:54 nubbins`: ;;google coolio library site:bitcointalk.org
14:50:54
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14:50:58 nubbins`: bah fuck
14:51:12 nubbins`: anyway there was a few jackasses who wanted to buy coolio's back catalogue with btc
14:51:15 nubbins`: for some reason
14:51:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` lemme tell you something. i grew up in a world where owning the words was implicit. so i neatly expect any system ever devised to recognise my sovereign right to use any word i fucking choose. period.
14:51:24 Vexual: i remeber that
14:51:31 mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters
14:51:37 Vexual: i almost said something
14:51:41 mircea_popescu: to them it seems fucking natural they may use the words they're licensed to use
14:51:51 nubbins`: hear the sounds they're licensed to hear
14:51:53 mircea_popescu: and just like that, we can't live in the same world, ever.
14:52:03 asciilifeform: pay per click!
14:52:16 nubbins`: turns out mouse costumes are cheaper than billy-clubs
14:52:17 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1PXRiVoJw its half a good idea
14:52:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and speaking of which... anyone's given a look at the internet, recently ?
14:52:26 mircea_popescu: the whole thing is like 500 sites, not even 1k
14:52:42 mircea_popescu: people who came of age in the 90s imagine this is still that unlimited field of endlessness, and long tails and all that.
14:52:43 asciilifeform: a. belayev's 'the air seller.'
14:52:43 nubbins`: 500 even seems a lot
14:52:49 mircea_popescu: forget it. that thing's dead. for years now.
14:52:55 asciilifeform: ;;google the air seller
14:52:56
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14:53:05 nubbins`: turns out amazon is the air seller.
14:53:06 Vexual: bc was about 60 bux then
14:53:17 mircea_popescu: stuff like "net neutrality" aren't occuring in a vacuum. people have in fact managed to narrow it enough that by now managing sites on a per site basis is fewasible, just like channels on cable
14:53:20 nubbins`: Vexual costly :o
14:53:28 Vexual: :)
14:53:29 mircea_popescu: THAT is why the telcos want a slice of the pie. because google and co managed to fuck the internet
14:53:37 mircea_popescu: and now it will be taken from them .as it fucking should.
14:53:57 mircea_popescu: fail to support an ecosystem, be eaten by your upstream provider.
14:54:01 mircea_popescu: there's always an upstream.
14:54:12 nubbins`: hurricane electric!
14:54:26 nubbins`: hm, i wonder do they still run an EFNet server
14:55:14 mircea_popescu: and obviously, nobody will be there to notice the fucking lesson, or put in plain words google's fundamental strategic failure
14:55:28 mircea_popescu: because strategists are about five in the whole world all told and the other four are doing military stuff.
14:55:54 Vexual: if you see me pick up a gun, shootme
14:55:55 mircea_popescu: as far as everyone's concerned, google's a bucnh of geniuses. that they managed to fuck their market, well... that's just an accident.
14:56:10 mircea_popescu: "nobody could have foreseen" etc.
14:56:18 asciilifeform: 'UNLESS.'
14:56:40 mircea_popescu: forget it, it's like asking a dog to relate cause and effect across a week
14:56:56 mircea_popescu: the dog's memory is good for minutes, and his representative bubble can't exceed that.
14:57:46 thickasthieves: ;;ticker
14:57:48 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 346.02, Best ask: 347.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 346.0, 24 hour volume: 24021.20783683, 24 hour low: 321.98, 24 hour high: 348.89, 24 hour vwap: 335.074128774
14:57:49 thickasthieves: lalala
14:59:27 nubbins`: not bad
14:59:31 nubbins`: i'm still in the money like MAD
14:59:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of unless. on a scale of 1 to 10, just how transparent is the ef-deer = fdr reference ?
14:59:46 asciilifeform: 9
14:59:59 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
14:59:59 asciilifeform: but maybe that's just me
15:00:10 mircea_popescu: i fear to find what may be 1 on your scale :D
15:01:07 asciilifeform: 1, idk, private key of fellow who i don't even know is alive, eh
15:01:47 mircea_popescu: you never taught, have you ?
15:01:54 asciilifeform: not pro, no
15:02:20 nubbins`: heh
15:02:38 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXewIR7Y7cc
15:02:50 mircea_popescu: i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it.
15:03:03 asciilifeform: ahaha various people told me this.
15:03:34 mircea_popescu: it's just... human head dun work so well.
15:05:41
BingoBoingo:
15:06:24 mircea_popescu: heh.
15:08:38 Vexual: this aint school
15:08:53 Vexual: esta real life
15:10:00 Vexual: youll only get points for saying something cool if its really fucking cool
15:10:23 Vexual: outta sight cool
15:10:30 mircea_popescu: and if you don't, they dock ya.
15:10:41 Vexual: aint that the truth
15:12:44 nubbins`_: and ya don't get to whine
15:12:45 mircea_popescu: anyway, thinking about it, i suppose that's the one, true, original classifier. not money nor "knowledge" nor anything else, but simply the contest of what is and what is not obvious.
15:12:47 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYfOnQF5S88
15:12:51 mircea_popescu: it splits people up into classes.
15:13:58 Vexual: ive only reclently reaslised how much i need to explain
15:14:36 Vexual: i think i did university wrongly
15:15:02 nubbins`: who didn't
15:19:01 Vexual: well im sure i never scool any eaasy reader as well as mircea_popescu did
15:21:02 Vexual: and i was writing on genetics, so i coulda
15:27:00 Vexual: i sat in on law and classics
15:27:30 Vexual: critical thought
15:28:34 Vexual: i ocassionally mistook cell works for finance
15:29:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 103 @ 0.12577836 = 12.9552 BTC [-] {6}
15:30:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.14949999 = 0.7475 BTC [+] {2}
15:30:48 Vexual: but i never lerned nothin like physics
15:31:02 Vexual: its the biz
15:31:32 Vexual: science of science
15:32:48 Vexual: im too old to lurk into lectures now
15:34:07 Vexual: but i do it anyway
15:34:46 Vexual: i even out my hand up wuth mart arse answers every once in a while
15:35:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00074765 = 10.7288 BTC [+] {2}
15:35:49 nubbins`: i thought it was the science of math
15:35:52 Vexual: !up diana_coman
15:35:58 Vexual: physics?
15:36:01 nubbins`: yeah
15:36:22 nubbins`: it's all just applied math
15:36:23 Vexual: its maths and phiolosphy in a special ball of yummy
15:36:34 nubbins`: the philosophy is a step removed, hidden within the math
15:36:55 Vexual: yeah its visa vera too
15:37:08 Vexual: its where math meets every other science
15:37:37 Vexual: what kinda math do you do?
15:39:00 Vexual: are you satoshi?
15:39:24 nubbins`: what i studied was the branch known as "pure mathematics", which is a bit more on the esoteric side and a bit less on the practical
15:40:31 Vexual: practical in astro belive it or not
15:40:39 nubbins`: passing down the fundamentals so that others may rest easy that the math they use makes sense, if you will
15:41:11 mircea_popescu: !up Sweete__
15:41:19 Sweete__: thk:)
15:41:55 mircea_popescu: sure.
15:42:56 Vexual: hi Sweete__
15:43:18 Sweete__: hi
15:44:07 Vexual: whats with the __ ??
15:44:31 Vexual: you a lowrider or something?
15:44:48 Sweete__: ok
15:44:58 Vexual: or was sweete taken?
15:45:09 Sweete__: taken
15:45:10 Sweete__: L(
15:45:13 Sweete__: :(
15:45:16 Vexual: lol
15:45:33 Vexual: whats your story?
15:45:47 thickasthieves: we're gonna hit 360 today it seems
15:45:52 Sweete__: long story
15:46:08 Vexual: werea ll youngish here
15:46:21 thickasthieves: and we're all here for the stories
15:46:24 Vexual: ;;google bitcoinity
15:46:24
gribble:
0.337 USD/mBTC - Bitcoinity.org:
15:46:59 mircea_popescu: one short of leet.
15:47:25 diana_coman: I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
15:47:28 nubbins`: i'm here for the focused dialogue
15:47:57 Sweete__: 350 on stamp
15:48:09 thickasthieves: yep, should go down in a min
15:48:20 thickasthieves: bad wordchoice
15:48:25 Sweete__: yep
15:48:26 thickasthieves: the wall will be eaten
15:49:13 thickasthieves: sweet__ you daytrade btcusd and/or?
15:49:15 mircea_popescu: going down and eating ?
15:49:19 Sweete__: same
15:49:32 thickasthieves: eat dem walls!
15:49:34 thickasthieves: hehe
15:49:40 Vexual: mircea_popescu: i wish
15:50:31 Vexual: mornin' ben_vulpes
15:52:21 thickasthieves: Ben Fox
15:52:38 Vexual: ;;ticker
15:52:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 349.92, Best ask: 350.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 351.9, 24 hour volume: 25157.95476558, 24 hour low: 325.79, 24 hour high: 351.9, 24 hour vwap: 336.206253808
15:52:47 thickasthieves: I'm John Oak
15:54:36 mircea_popescu: better than woody allen...
15:55:27 Vexual: better than deep throat
15:55:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 975 @ 0.00061997 = 0.6045 BTC [+] {3}
15:56:10 ben_vulpes: morning, vex, thickasthieves, mircea_popescu
15:56:11 Vexual: tenny
15:56:21 ben_vulpes: ah that's a new one
15:56:24 ben_vulpes: what are you doing up so early?
15:56:29 nubbins`: so late
15:56:32 ben_vulpes: slash late
15:56:40 ben_vulpes: so out of your normal cycle
15:57:23 TomServo: ben_vulpes nubbins` just noticed you guys have notes waiting on other nicks
15:57:41 nubbins`: nothing important, i hope
15:57:45 nubbins`: speeling = improtant
15:58:06 nubbins`: ;;notes nubbins
15:58:06
gribble:
Sent 6 days, 23 hours, and 15 minutes ago:
15:58:19 ben_vulpes: ;;notes benkay
15:58:19
gribble:
Sent 3 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, and 25 minutes ago:
15:58:28 ben_vulpes: everyone writes one
15:59:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 3.53046316 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 307 satoshi per share
16:01:40 nubbins`: ♪
16:01:45 nubbins`: imagine
16:02:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7841 @ 0.0007459 = 5.8486 BTC [-]
16:03:21 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $260 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1054/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.8348731 BTC. Current weight: 64,123.
16:03:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.12183110 BTC to 15`465 shares, 7254 satoshi per share
16:03:44 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wESgcExetso philipino!
16:09:41 Vexual: hey duffer
16:11:08 Duffer1: hey man
16:13:35 Vexual: got any treasure for me?
16:13:56 Vexual: i need a fucking mission
16:14:21 Duffer1: i wish man :(
16:16:56 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8alNxLjCBJc
16:19:11 Duffer1: ha
16:20:41 ben_vulpes: Vexual: what do you do with yourself anyways?
16:21:04 Vexual: i generally work in managerial positions
16:23:02 ben_vulpes: o.O
16:23:15 Vexual: yeah don't ask coz i dunno
16:24:45 Vexual: grave robbing, trading, all the fun stuff
16:25:12 nubbins`: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/10/08/spanish-nurse-says-she-has-no-idea-how-she-got-ebola-as-her-family-fights-for-their-dogs-life/
16:25:12 assbot: Spanish nurse with Ebola may have touched her face with a glove - The Washington Post
16:25:21 nubbins`: "It's not that the suits fail; it's that people fail when they take it off."
16:25:26 Vexual: she may well ahve
16:25:35 Vexual: no shit
16:25:59 Vexual: you don't fuck about with ebola
16:26:31 Vexual: its sad
16:26:58 Vexual: the sadder thin is they aren't quarantining the people she met
16:27:21 Vexual: you only get one chance to stop that shit
16:28:38 nubbins`: well they're gonna kill her dog, that's something
16:28:44 Vexual: dead
16:28:45 asciilifeform: obola must spread - orders from ebama.
16:28:50 Vexual: already
16:29:03 Vexual: lol youre typing like me ascii
16:32:38 Vexual: whole crew is here
16:33:13 Vexual: how long til you're dining on roo pete?
16:34:31 pete_dushenski: Vexual: 2 months :)
16:35:05 pete_dushenski: so now i'm not so sure which gavin is the real gavin on contravex...
16:35:11 Vexual: wow, full price tickets
16:35:28 pete_dushenski: compare http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30333 and http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-29533
16:35:29 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
16:35:29 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
16:35:31 Vexual: lol
16:36:07 Vexual: diff
16:36:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00074526 = 39.2007 BTC [-] {2}
16:36:17 pete_dushenski: different fucking email addresses, different fucking website urls
16:37:02 Vexual: im thinking of getting some stamps in my passport, asny suggestions?
16:37:59 pete_dushenski: somalia
16:38:07 Vexual: really?
16:38:09 pete_dushenski: i hear it's a country
16:38:26 Vexual: dont be a wank hole
16:39:25 Vexual: i dont want to get on a terrorist list
16:40:16 mats_cd03: depends what you want to do
16:40:20 Vexual: cheeky fucker
16:40:37 mats_cd03: want to join the global jihad?
16:40:41 nubbins`: if you float down the rio tambopata in peru they will give you a special stamp
16:40:44 Vexual: i was thinkinking learning russian
16:40:47 pete_dushenski: Vexual what makes you think you aren't already?
16:40:55 nubbins`: there's a lodge run by a french lady about 3 hours out of puerto maldonado
16:40:57 Vexual: oh i am
16:41:02 pete_dushenski: so
16:41:16 Vexual: so dont tell me 2 months
16:41:21 pete_dushenski: it's not like they're going to write you name in pen now
16:41:45 Vexual: fart you
16:41:54 pete_dushenski: ;)
16:41:58 Vexual: :)
16:42:01 thickasthieves: vexual well what kinda places do you like?
16:42:17 Vexual: i like spicy food
16:42:26 Vexual: and crazy people
16:42:36 thickasthieves: brazil?
16:42:37 Vexual: or vodka
16:43:15 Vexual: yeah they tend to sit if cafs and play monopoly
16:43:26 Vexual: ive been there
16:43:30 thickasthieves: word
16:43:36 thickasthieves: visit mp
16:43:49 Vexual: no ne is scary
16:44:06 Vexual: and wed have nothing to talk about
16:44:16 thickasthieves: lol
16:44:26 Vexual: i havent read evry book
16:44:36 thickasthieves: he'd be glad to explain them to you
16:46:39 pete_dushenski: spicy food + crazy people = jamaica
16:47:09 Vexual: bankok is closer
16:48:39 pete_dushenski: sri lanka too
16:49:12 mircea_popescu: jamaica is al sluts i hear
16:49:33 pete_dushenski: "I have never owned much Bitcoin. I give away or spend what I buy. I am not a hoarder of Bitcoin. I don’t care about that aspect of Bitcoin, although many (most?) do. I care about it as programmable money."
16:49:49 Vexual: oh sluts is good
16:49:55 pete_dushenski: http://avc.com/2014/10/bitcoin-price-and-promise/
16:49:55 assbot: Bitcoin – Price and Promise AVC
16:50:15 pete_dushenski: ^fred wilson
16:51:31 Vexual: never bin srilanka
16:52:07 pete_dushenski: me neither, nor do i even know anyone who has.
16:55:25 pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/519893536024829954
16:55:27 assbot: Compare http://t.co/0O9eSXI6c9 and http://t.co/SRrLv5suZH. Now will the real /gavinandresen please stand up? Lol comments need PGP sigs...
16:55:27 Vexual: yes, fuck islam, i'll go to heaven with all the sluts
16:55:49 Vexual: whos go with virgins anyway?
16:57:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20907 @ 0.00074361 = 15.5467 BTC [-] {2}
16:57:37 thickasthieves: fred wilson, bullwhale
16:59:19 Vexual: i mean, seriously, c'mon
17:00:33 Vexual: indonesia
17:01:19 Vexual: i speak the lingo and they'll keep me sober
17:02:45 Vexual: and theres a direct flight to moscow if i want a oroper city
17:04:13 punkman: Vexual: been to istanbul?
17:04:35 Vexual: no
17:04:48 Vexual: ive prolly flown over
17:05:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGF_0AcHaGs
17:05:49 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ? << best dish i had in lithuania was wild boar. paired with pears!
17:06:44 Vexual: sounds french
17:07:14 pete_dushenski: it was vilnian like a villain
17:08:04 thickasthieves: indonesia wants dem free bitcoins http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=free%20bitcoin&date=1%2F2014%2012m&cmpt=q
17:08:05 assbot: Google Trends
17:08:38 Vexual: bali got a fuckton from oldmate
17:09:11 Vexual: well.75 of a ton
17:09:26 Vexual: a reasonable fuck
17:10:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7593 @ 0.00074288 = 5.6407 BTC [-]
17:11:16 BingoBoingo: http://weev.livejournal.com/409913.html
17:11:17 assbot: weev: "Women in tech", doxing, Kathy Sierra, and the koolaid. #gamergate #adainitiative #histrionics
17:13:33 asciilifeform: i still don't grok 'doxing'
17:13:42 asciilifeform: how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ?
17:14:29 Vexual: well you give a name and adress
17:14:53 Vexual: documents, not dirt
17:15:20 Vexual: it is what it is
17:15:37 Vexual: oh you dont like it? me nmeither
17:16:40 mats_cd03: 'dox' broadly means making people vulnerable to democratic violence
17:16:45 Vexual: anywy, imma see what jamaica is like
17:17:21 Vexual: or somewhere else
17:17:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: People like to imagine all pseudonyms are hard even though there's a difference on the scale of Dr. Seuss to Deep Throat
17:17:25 asciilifeform: so i imagine there's an implication of incitement of lynch mob, not merely 'mr x lives on 123 fuckme street, ny.' etc ?
17:18:16 mats_cd03: yes
17:18:26 mats_cd03: as well as vulnerability to things like swatting
17:18:57 mats_cd03: some corporations are also known to allow purchase orders with charge on delivery
17:19:26 BingoBoingo: Like pizza companis
17:19:30 mats_cd03: dox can make it feasible to dump piles of e.g. office supplies
17:19:47 mats_cd03: and then force that individual to engage in legal proceedings or whathaveyou
17:20:14 mats_cd03: doxing someone can be devastating if they have assets.
17:21:04 asciilifeform: all of this works solely because scarcely anyone pulls the trick.
17:21:11 asciilifeform: as described in recent mircea_popescu post
17:21:44 mats_cd03: the day is nigh.
17:23:12 BingoBoingo: !up X-Rob
17:23:28 X-Rob: Morning BingoBoingo
17:23:36 BingoBoingo: Morning Rob
17:27:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00074766 = 13.0467 BTC [+] {2}
17:36:18 pete_dushenski: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30431
17:36:19 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
17:36:35 pete_dushenski: ^my reply to the other "gavin"
17:36:54 pete_dushenski: those duplicitous derps...
17:38:54 mircea_popescu: !up jacoblyles
17:39:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ? << there's a lot you don't know.
17:39:53 mircea_popescu: ;;google PW:RN
17:39:53
gribble:
Anita Somplasky, RN CHTS-CP CHTS-PW | LinkedIn:
17:40:19 mircea_popescu: there's this innate "fear", i suppose, among the primitive, illiterate hordes as to the magical power of names.
17:40:20 BingoBoingo: http://drugs.gawker.com/have-you-ever-been-too-high-to-lie-1643086212 << Too high to lie defense
17:40:21 assbot: Have You Ever Been Too High to Lie?
17:40:28 mircea_popescu: because that's how shamanic "thinking" works.
17:40:47 mircea_popescu: and since the result of libertard "education" is an unprecedented headcount of illiterate cattle all over the west...
17:40:54 asciilifeform: ;;google true names and other dangers
17:40:55
gribble:
True Names...and Other Dangers: Vernor Vinge: 9780671653637 ...:
17:41:00 asciilifeform: ^ original turd on the subject
17:41:00 mircea_popescu: there you go. saying someone's name is a potentially dangerous, magical activity.
17:41:11 mircea_popescu: fucking natives, these people.
17:41:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.
17:41:43 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why. << better this way. both losses and profits are socialized unlike tbtf american cos.
17:42:18 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i was being very very facetious
17:42:59 pete_dushenski: lolk
17:43:09 mircea_popescu: o look, ed went to shit meanwhile. anyway, they had a decent article on this power word : real name thing, a decade ago
17:43:35 asciilifeform: https://worldtracker.org/media/library/English%20Literature/V/Vinge,%20Vernor/Vernor%20Vinge%20-%20True%20Names.pdf
17:45:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so in the end, it turns out you did know it, just, didn't realise how stupid the average derp is ?
17:46:05 asciilifeform: 'In the once upon a time days of the First Age of Magic, the prudent sorcerer regarded his own true name as his most valued possession but also the greatest threat to his continued good health, for -- the stories go -- once an enemy, even a weak unskilled enemy, learned the sorcerer's true name, then routine and widely known spells could destroy or enslave even the most powerful. As times passed, and we graduat
17:46:05 asciilifeform: ed to the Age of Reason and thence to the first and second industrial revolutions, such notions were discredited. Now it seems that the Wheel has turned full circle (even if there never really was a First Age) and we are back to worrying about true names again...'
17:46:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this requires special modes of thought - like reasoning about how small is electron, or how large - galaxy
17:47:06 mircea_popescu: except they're not modes of thought, they're modes of feeling.
17:47:14 mircea_popescu: anyone spending enough time daydreaming develops them
17:47:35 mircea_popescu: this in stark opposition with thought, where simply spending time doing addition does not automatically qualify one for analysis say
17:47:47 *: asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)
17:48:03 mircea_popescu: that's two bit.
17:48:12 asciilifeform: no, four.
17:48:13 jurov: ever had all 4 set?
17:48:19 asciilifeform: can set any combo.
17:48:24 mircea_popescu: wait you can have them concurrent ?
17:48:28 asciilifeform: sure.
17:48:30 mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ?
17:48:42 asciilifeform: you of all people should know
17:48:48 mircea_popescu: "if i could be bothered to stand up i'd bugger you" ?
17:49:13 asciilifeform: that'd be just 'sloth' bit
17:49:35 mircea_popescu: isn;'t the sloth merely "if i could be bothered to stand up" ?
17:49:38 asciilifeform: with just gate noise of 'lust'
17:49:44 mircea_popescu: aha
17:50:13 nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> how's slotful lust ? <+asciilifeform> you of all people should know <<< my sides
17:50:14 mircea_popescu: "i'm too lazy to go out and pick something up so i'ma troll livejournal for gmaxwell's girlfriend" ?
17:50:39 mircea_popescu: shit my client automatically expands wikiwhale to gmaxwell's girlfriend ;/
17:51:45
mircea_popescu:
17:53:53 nubbins`: speaking of all 4 sets, the mint sent me an email
17:53:58 nubbins`: 1 sec
17:54:14 nubbins`: not available to public yet, gotta screenshot
17:55:32 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/iQWF6MQ.png
17:55:53 nubbins`: minted by -- no kidding -- the country of Niue
17:56:33 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters << different is bad and not nice and trolling and mysogyracist! poor fucking kids...
17:56:58 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: neat
17:57:20 nubbins`: neat indeed. pretty fuckin costly for 1oz of silver in a plastic box tho
17:58:30 pete_dushenski: but… pnumanism!
17:58:47 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/v6m9yTy.png
17:59:05 nubbins`: actually lame as shit irl
18:00:47 mircea_popescu: kinda lame yeah.
18:00:54 mircea_popescu: pocket protectors included ?
18:01:17 nubbins`: right?
18:01:35 nubbins`: (C) 1935, 2013 HASBRO
18:01:39 nubbins`: "cool coin, man"
18:02:08 nubbins`: "they really licensed the shit out of that logo"
18:02:46 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: everyone writes one << everyone with a blog and a brain.
18:04:55 thestringpuller: "i still have no idea what y.all are talking about.
18:04:55 thestringpuller: You do know that no matter how large the block, only the 80-byte block header is hashed?
18:04:58 thestringpuller: If you are just trolling, then kudos, you got my attention for about three minutes."
18:05:23 thestringpuller: How does the chief scientist not realize increasing block size increases burden on full nodes?
18:07:20 nubbins`: such comment, many vitriol
18:07:39 nubbins`: thestringpuller any satisfaction with usps?
18:12:03 mthreat: mircea_popescu: coffee chat today - Igor (the baexpat forum owner) will be there. http://baexpats.org/topic/31648-coffee-chat-wed-8-oct-2014-4-7pm-barrio-norte/
18:12:04 assbot: Coffee Chat - Wed 8 Oct 2014, 4-7Pm (Barrio Norte) - Expat Events - Buenos Aires Expats Group
18:12:33 mthreat: mircea_popescu: in case you want to confront him about bitcoin posts on the forum (that seemed to be filtered at one point)
18:13:57 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: o gavin knows very well.
18:14:11 pete_dushenski: he's just playing it up for the crowd.
18:14:57 pete_dushenski: very much like a magician who distracts the crowd with a joke or a pretty lady while the trap door opens.
18:15:31 pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
18:15:33 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 345.57, Best ask: 345.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.37000, Last trade: 345.57, 24 hour volume: 26823.95596431, 24 hour low: 325.79, 24 hour high: 354.18, 24 hour vwap: 339.577546866
18:24:57 thestringpuller: nubbins`: not yet I gotta go to the local office today once I feel like not being lazy and get some real clothes on.
18:25:14 thestringpuller: !up go1111111
18:25:21 thestringpuller: ;;ident
18:25:21 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
18:25:34 nubbins`: !down thestringpuller
18:25:37 nubbins`: my sides
18:26:51 thestringpuller: !up go1111111
18:27:17 go1111111: thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule
18:27:43 BingoBoingo: go1111111: 50% a year is non-trivial
18:28:02 go1111111: regarding CPU power, the ASICS that are doing the hashing are not the same resource that would add a transaction. a general CPU would be doing that, which would otherwise be sitting idle
18:28:19 thestringpuller: mining isn't the issue
18:28:24 BingoBoingo: go1111111: I'm talking bandwidth
18:28:26 nubbins`: what specifically is the issue
18:28:27 thestringpuller: it's the decentralization of full nodes
18:28:34 nubbins`: 1TB hard drives not cheap enough for ya?
18:28:49 thestringpuller: the higher bandwidth necessary to run a full node over time T will force the centralization of nodes
18:28:52 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Keeping full nodes in sync
18:29:02 go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about
18:29:16 thestringpuller: so then why up 50% a year and not leave the block size alone?
18:29:19 nubbins`: how about some hard numbers? what sort of bandwidth are you guys talking about?
18:29:31 thestringpuller: if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given
18:29:50
BingoBoingo:
18:30:17 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Gavin hasn't proposed a hard number where he wants to start 50% annual increases from.
18:30:22 thestringpuller: ;;google average bandwidth in north america
18:30:23
gribble:
Netflix Remains King of Bandwidth Usage, While YouTube Declines ...:
18:30:44 go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome
18:30:55 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: okay, so when people say "bandwidth is the thing to be concerned about", do they have numbers in mind or is just a wank?
18:31:09 thestringpuller: go1111111: now you're off topic.
18:31:12 nubbins`: why am i asking you?
18:31:15 Apocalyptic: go1111111, doing 1 thing pretty good is plenty enough
18:31:18 nubbins`: go1111111: do you have numbers in mind or is it just a wank?
18:31:44 Apocalyptic: but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome // what is it with people always wanting the same thing to "do a lot more" ?
18:32:03 nubbins`: Apocalyptic it worked for bucky
18:32:18 go1111111: thestringpuller: you're asking "why up 50% a year?". my reply directly addressed that. Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go, and it requires lots of transaction processing capability
18:32:33 thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc
18:33:06 nubbins`: you're just throwing random numbers together in a sentence
18:33:25 thestringpuller: go1111111: you can do that without forcing centralization due to resource scarcity...
18:33:32 nubbins`: nobody's talking about average internet speed increasing by 50% a year
18:33:49 thestringpuller: he's talking about block size going up 50% a year because of bandwidth "doubling" every year
18:33:52 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: It's an assumption Gavin takes into account
18:34:01 thestringpuller: nubbins`: ^
18:34:11 nubbins`: okay, sure. seems like a fair assumption
18:34:18 nubbins`: i've been sitting on 50mbit for a couple years now
18:34:33 nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?
18:34:40 thestringpuller: it is
18:34:46 thestringpuller: US average bandwidth is 10Mbit
18:34:52 nubbins`: note that usa is not a first world country
18:34:57 thestringpuller: OKAY
18:35:02 nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?
18:35:04 thestringpuller: I'll give you that
18:35:25 nubbins`: how much bandwidth does a full node chew right now?
18:35:25 thestringpuller: So you want to centralize all the full nodes to first world countries?
18:35:36 nubbins`: thestringpuller: you want to stop it?
18:35:50 nubbins`: o noes, somalia can't run a full node
18:36:07 go1111111: thestringpuller: Bitcoin still could be extremely decentralized if full nodes were limited to 1st world countries
18:36:33 nubbins`: ^
18:36:59 thestringpuller: very possibly, but that still doesn't solve the issue of forcing more burden on the full nodes.
18:37:20 thestringpuller: starting a full node as of now isn't trivial. ask BingoBoingo how long it took to start one from scratch as of this summer.
18:38:00 nubbins`: BingoBoingo, how long did it take you to start a node from scratch as of this summer?
18:38:01 go1111111: most of the burden now is that it's very cumbersome, not that the resources required are expensive
18:38:16 go1111111: that's a software issue
18:38:52 nubbins`: so to run a full node, you'd be expected to dick around with software a little bit and have a first-world internet connection
18:38:56 nubbins`: imagine, the horror
18:39:50 chetty: internet is pretty darn good most places, only place I ever had much of an issue the deserts of Egypt
18:40:05 nubbins`: so there goes that argument
18:40:13 nubbins`: why precisely are we whining about block size?
18:41:13 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, you're actually in favour of the increase ?
18:41:19 thestringpuller: i'm almost certain if you increase the blocksize to great too soon, full nodes will drop off...
18:41:28 nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know.
18:41:29 thestringpuller: just like when diff goes too high miners drop off
18:41:53 nubbins`: no, when diff goes high miners upgrade
18:41:59 thestringpuller: not always!
18:42:00 nubbins`: children with mining hardware drop off
18:42:17 thestringpuller: they are the first but not the last
18:42:26 nubbins`: why in the fuck would someone turn off their node over a block size increase?
18:43:06 nubbins`: it doesn't make sensr
18:43:24 thestringpuller: because it consumes too many resources as is.
18:43:30 nubbins`: "my cpu, disk space, bandwidth are still orders of magnitude more than what this requires... better pull the plug over ideological reasons"
18:43:44 nubbins`: bullshit it does
18:43:53 Apocalyptic: for one it removes the upper linear bound on the storage space needed to store the whole chain
18:44:03 thestringpuller: my full node runs on a computer circa 2004, it barely can chug.
18:44:23 thestringpuller: lets take a look at top and see what bitcoind is consuming
18:44:33 thestringpuller: oh wow 2 gigs of memory
18:44:53 go1111111: so you're saying it's more like "I'm going to stop mining now because maybe in 10 years mining will be unprofitable, depending on the trajectory of computer resource costs"
18:45:12 go1111111: mining = running a full node, i mean
18:45:34 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, the blocksize limit also incudes a lot of economic consequences regarding transactions and fees
18:47:31 thestringpuller: go1111111: well. consider you are mining now at negative profit margins because diff is too high. You can upgrade and go further into the hole and hope to god you make your money back. Or you can cut your losses and move on with your life.
18:48:39 go1111111: smaller blocksizes tend to increase the fee required to get in a block. lower fees seem preferable. the only case i can see where you wouldn't want smaller fees is when network security was based heavily on fees, but that won't be the case for a while
18:49:14 thestringpuller: again if you want nice things you need to pay for them...
18:49:22 Apocalyptic: ^
18:49:40 thestringpuller: what is all this socialist shit..."free stuff I didn't work for"
18:50:12 nubbins`: "poor people should be able to run a node"
18:50:21 thestringpuller: I never said that!
18:50:43 nubbins`: nobody did :D
18:50:50 go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. that's what nubbins and I have been arguing. the extra "niceness" you want is a trivial savings in abundant computer resources
18:51:14 nubbins`: maybe you need a computer that was built after 2004 if you want to run a node
18:51:16 nubbins`: it's not a lot to ask
18:51:26 thestringpuller: It isn't. But when does it stop?
18:51:32 nubbins`: it doesn't
18:51:38 thestringpuller: Then we need computers build specifically for full nodes?
18:51:44 nubbins`: eventually
18:51:52 thestringpuller: Then only certain individuals can run full nodes?
18:51:57 nubbins`: already this is the case
18:52:17 thestringpuller: For mining perhaps (capital expenditure) but not for full nodes, which is a more frightening scenario...
18:52:38 nubbins`: yes, for full nodes. do you have any idea how many people in the world don't have a "spare computer"?
18:53:06 thestringpuller: as of now you can run a full node on a raspberry pi with a 30 USD external storage medium
18:53:41 nubbins`: and eventually you'll need a raspberry pi 2.0 with a 30 usd external storage medium that has 2x the capacity
18:54:11 thestringpuller: yes but if the block size increases too rapidly eventually only certain hardware can run it.
18:54:18 nubbins`: so?
18:54:27 thestringpuller: this forces centralization no?
18:54:59 *: nubbins` groans
18:55:12 thestringpuller: :D
18:55:20 go1111111: thestringpuller: not if that special hardware is always below a certain cost threshold
18:55:53 nubbins`: "centralization", what does it mean? can you quantify it?
18:56:02 nubbins`: "decentralization bad, centralization good"
18:56:10 nubbins`: "analog bad, digital good... or was it the other way.."
18:56:33 thestringpuller: centralization = "full nodes controlled by single entities"
18:56:37 nubbins`: there needs to be a minimum, yes? an abacus is infeasible?
18:56:46 thestringpuller: exactly.
18:56:53 nubbins`: so what's the minimum?
18:57:12 nubbins`: a piece of shit computer you can find in a junkyard?
18:57:31 thestringpuller: minimum in terms of nodes running is what I'm getting at.
18:57:32 nubbins`: yeah, let's put the brakes on everything so you can help "contribute"
18:57:47 nubbins`: is a 1ghz pentium too much of a burden?
18:57:55 thestringpuller: XD
18:58:30 nubbins`: you see what i'm saying? a couple years from now you'll buy an octo-core w/ 32gb ram for $500
18:58:49 nubbins`: running a full node on a fucking pentium 1ghz like an asshole
18:58:52 Naphex: well you can scale nodes anyway
18:59:09 nubbins`: maybe we should make it so a TI-83 can run a full node
18:59:19 nubbins`: ultimate decentralization, that must be automatically good, right?
18:59:43 Apocalyptic: nubbins`, you're perverting the argument
18:59:54 thestringpuller: "Seeing how the earlier discussion actually neglected to mention a perfectly valid alternative avenue to evaluate the idiocy of this proposal, consider that the main (really, in practical terms the only) vulnerability of Bitcoin at the moment is that while miners are rewarded for mining, relayers are not rewarded for relaying. This is a sore oversight on the part of Satoshi, privately admitted at that, and unfort
19:00:00 thestringpuller: USGavin's proposal consists of significantly increasing the burden on the full nodes, while doing nothing to address the actual problem threatening Bitcoin. This, of course, is not the direction a responsible head of a FOSS project steers things. It is however the exact direction a puppet of Microsoft tries to steer a standards discussion."
19:01:06 Naphex: whats with all this burden on full nodes
19:01:27 fluffypony: such burden
19:01:31 Naphex: 56 day running bitcoind/ Standalone / Max 500 connections
19:01:47 Naphex: RX: 56.5 GB TX 117.7
19:01:55 Naphex: load average: 0.30, 0.34, 0.33
19:02:05 thestringpuller: damn a gig a day?
19:02:11 nubbins`: thestringpuller: tyvm, first thought-out argument i've read yet
19:02:15 Naphex: running on Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2640 v2 @ 2.00GHz x2 / 32 Cores
19:02:24 thestringpuller: nubbins`: that's mircea_popescu via qntra
19:02:32 BingoBoingo: nubbins` A while, but on low power hardware
19:02:39 thestringpuller: nubbins`: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/
19:02:40 assbot: Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork
19:02:53 Naphex: i use this as a "supernode" to p2p connect to the network, and use local nodes to scale
19:03:06 Naphex: the localnodes, hardly ever pop 0.03 on avg
19:03:12 Naphex: since the supernode will filter most of the junk
19:03:16 nubbins`: why is the header of the website as ugly as possible?
19:03:23 thestringpuller: Naphex: interesting. do local nodes store the blockchain or access it via network?
19:03:27 nubbins`: srsly, bright blue text on grey bg
19:03:32 Naphex: thestringpuller: they store it
19:03:38 nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style
19:03:44 Naphex: they just don't p2p connect to the network and only connect to a master node
19:03:47 Naphex: for updates
19:04:12 thestringpuller: ah.
19:04:20 thestringpuller: so you point them directly to the supernode regardless of location?
19:04:39 Naphex: yes
19:05:13 thestringpuller: interesting model
19:05:28 Naphex: thestringpuller: there is a lot of wasted CPU Time
19:05:32 Naphex: on nodes processing junk
19:05:39 Naphex: double spends, dust, etc
19:05:51 thestringpuller: same here
19:05:58 mircea_popescu: mthreat mmm where is it ?
19:06:06 Naphex: the supernode fillters all that out, and sends clean to slaves
19:06:58
mircea_popescu:
19:07:05 mircea_popescu: "please reboot your computer".
19:07:35 Naphex: thestringpuller: load avg on the slavenode would drop around 10x, so thats a lot
19:07:47
mircea_popescu:
19:07:51 mthreat: Le Blé, at French 2999
19:07:52 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is here to protect against inflation.
19:08:01 mthreat: mircea_popescu: ^
19:08:05 mircea_popescu: blocksize is a scarce resource. increasing it is not helping, it's hindering.
19:08:35 mircea_popescu: and engineering is NOT "about tradeoffs". politics is about tradeoff, and gavin has zero mandate or political authority
19:08:51 mircea_popescu: engineering is about doing things, and gavin has a vanishingly small ability in that field, also.
19:08:59 mircea_popescu: so : a poor engineer with political delusions.
19:09:40 mircea_popescu: mthreat what time is this ?
19:10:33 mthreat: 4-7pm
19:11:03 mthreat: i can't go myself.. but michelle's there and some others
19:11:33 mircea_popescu: yeah, im not making it that early. wouldnt mind asking the guy a few q's but whatevs.
19:11:48
Apocalyptic:
19:11:54 nubbins`: A new Inital maximum block size such that a full node may be run by "somebody with a current, reasonably fast computer and Internet connection, running an up-to-date version of Bitcoin Core and willing to dedicate half their CPU power and bandwidth to Bitcoin."
19:12:03 mircea_popescu: go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone. <<< and who told you this ?
19:12:09 nubbins`: that *is* a bit of a burden for no reward aside from a fuzzy feeling, hey?
19:12:26 Naphex: nubbins`: storage is not that much of a problem as CPU Time
19:12:40 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic nubbins` no dude, because gonobody and usgavin have made decisions and tradeoffs dontchaknow.
19:12:41 BingoBoingo: !up go1111111
19:12:42 Naphex: lots of CPUTime on bitcoind might force for standalone bitcoind servers
19:12:44 nubbins`: half yr bandwidth too!
19:13:00 Naphex: i only care about CPUTime, everything else is really distant
19:13:07 mircea_popescu: also, nobody is acutally running "bitcoin core"
19:13:38 mircea_popescu: after the "let's fork bitcoin for fun" and the "let's put heardbleed in your software" disasters, you'd have to be insane to run anything coming from vessenes' merry band of scammers.
19:14:00 nubbins`: what're the big pools running anyway, i wonder
19:14:05 mircea_popescu: "up to date" indeed.
19:14:58 BingoBoingo: !up mechtronic2001
19:15:02 mircea_popescu: go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about << you don't get to separate your better's concerns into genuine and less genuine, fuckface.
19:15:05 Naphex: mircea_popescu: so yeah, i haven't found anything even close to stable as bitcoind :)
19:15:07 mircea_popescu: jesus the gall of these people.
19:15:34 go1111111: mircea_popescu: I don't see the usefulness if high fees, except as a means to secure the network. but fees will be a small portion of the reward to miners for a while. low fees enable transactions to occur that would otherwise be too costly, eliminating deadweight loss
19:15:40 BingoBoingo: Naphex: Older patched Bitcoind?
19:15:47 mircea_popescu: i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see.
19:15:54 mircea_popescu: who told you your brain may arbiter in this matter ?
19:16:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00074773 = 12.1506 BTC [+]
19:17:18 mechtronic2001: Would this be a proper channel to post my btcjam funding page. It would be an investment, but I don't want to step on toes here.
19:17:36 mircea_popescu: mechtronic2001 it'd be a pretty horrible place seeing how btcjam isn't too well regarded.
19:17:49 mircea_popescu: !s btcjam
19:17:50 assbot: 80 results for 'btcjam' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=btcjam
19:17:59 mircea_popescu: you're better served by going through the logs as relevant to your interest.
19:18:16 mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see. << another contender for the b-a tagline :)
19:18:18 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2014#829294
19:18:19 assbot: Logged on 15-09-2014 14:33:56; nubbins`: his btcjam profile has two "recommendations" from friends. the second one commences thus:
19:18:42 mircea_popescu: mike_c no but really, "i don't see". let's all go to the hospital and start derping, "i don't see why i'd have to take my clothes off"
19:18:52 mircea_popescu: because that's how everything works in this world, it's reddit out here.
19:19:34 go1111111: if there are good arguments for high fees i'm curious to be linked to them or hear them. possibly my preference for low fees is as dumb as you're claiming, but it'd be interesting to know why you think that
19:19:36 mike_c: yes, this is not kindergarten. unfortunately there still is no good bitcoin kindergarten.
19:19:43 mircea_popescu: einstein never got the damned formula out because luce irigaray didn't see why he'd privilege the speed of light over other speeds that are so much more important to us. and so on.
19:19:46 Apocalyptic: go1111111, dude it's not just about the fees
19:19:58 mircea_popescu: go1111111 the arguments for a limited b lock size are the same as the arguments for a limited currency base.
19:20:04 Apocalyptic: the blocksize limit is essentially tied to what bitcoin is, even if you can't see it
19:20:07 mircea_popescu: amusinglky enough, the arguments against either are also the same.
19:20:27 mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here
19:20:38 mircea_popescu: to "something else" that's not really in any sense something else at all.
19:21:00
Apocalyptic:
19:21:02 mircea_popescu: gavin wants to have a cryptousd he's welcome to make yet another shitcoin.
19:21:19 mircea_popescu: he's not welcome to try and hijack a project he has essentialy nothing to do with into that swamp however.
19:21:22 Apocalyptic: well they have ethereum for that
19:21:41 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah but the problem with this crapolade is that it constantly needs to leech off hard currency to survive.
19:22:00 BingoBoingo: The correct solution to limited blocksize is occasionally buying trashcans full of your local scrip as necessary
19:22:04 mircea_popescu: ethereum is good for a few weeks, then need something else, same pretense.
19:22:41 Apocalyptic: mircea, may well be... that's why the ultimate solution is: don't let them get their hands on it
19:23:11 asciilifeform: !s good cakes
19:23:12 assbot: 5 results for 'good cakes' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=good+cakes
19:23:24 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2014/people-us-dollar aha
19:23:25 assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
19:23:31 mircea_popescu: for all i care, everyone's welcome to try any theory they wish and then starve on it. what's however not acceptable, not now, not ever, is fraud. passing scamcoins for actualcoins and trying to pretend like shitpie is "just as good as pie".
19:27:03 mircea_popescu: go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome << this is wrong on each and every level.
19:27:30 mircea_popescu: level 1 : "many people" is not an argument, because a bunch of redditards are not actually different people. the headcount of all reddit is like, 5 people. that's not many and barely people.
19:27:35 asciilifeform: can it also replace photo lens cleaner? cause i'm running a bit low.
19:27:48 asciilifeform: how about garden mulch ?
19:27:56 mircea_popescu: discussions about reefed out derps about "global financial infrastructure" are nil and void. you don't even know what it is in th efirst place.
19:28:08 go1111111: the bad consequences of not having a limited currency base are clear (inflation). a larger block size won't lead to currency inflation, but blockchain inflation and some higher bandwidth requirements. That seems to have very different consequences.
19:28:21 mircea_popescu: level 3 : it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin
19:28:27 mircea_popescu: level 4 : gold in no way enters into any of it.
19:28:46 mircea_popescu: go1111111 you think they're clear, because you understand very little of it.
19:29:02 mircea_popescu: examine what you think is "clear" to get a grip of how little you in fact understand. wtf is "inflation" ? why's it bad ?
19:29:14 mircea_popescu: inflation is great! more people get more money! what now ?
19:29:14 asciilifeform: when folks say 'we want it like gold' - do they mean 'confiscatable', 'bulky', and 'largely traded as sham paper' ?
19:29:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, when people reference gold in relation to bitcoin it's simply a token to represent how they do not wish to engage into a discussion but would rather derp about some conveniently pre-prepared strawmen.
19:32:13 BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
19:32:13 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
19:32:37 Naphex: ;;lasers
19:32:37 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
19:32:40 Naphex: mircea_popescu: i'm not arbitering shit
19:32:42 Naphex: i run nodes
19:32:44 go1111111: inflation is 'bad' if the thing that is inflating is something you're holding as a long term store of value. higher supply --> lower price per unit. "inflation" is used two ways: increasing the supply of the currency, and increasing price levels. i'm referring to the former
19:32:49 mircea_popescu: Naphex huh ?
19:33:07 Naphex: mircea_popescu: and most full nodes out right now except core are all shit
19:34:24 ben_vulpes: Naphex: have you tried btcd?
19:34:36 mircea_popescu: go1111111 yes, you say "is used" meaning "is used to denote". but the two different things it's used to denote aren't unrelated. they're just facets of the same phenomeno.
19:34:38 ben_vulpes: not implying they're not shit, but curious to know your opinion.
19:34:52 mircea_popescu: another facet is the havok inflation wreaks upon capital allocation and generally marketplace decisions.
19:35:34 mircea_popescu: Naphex functionality and security are widely disjunct topics.
19:36:20 Naphex: mircea_popescu: i agree, but security you can improve. but functionality will be harder
19:36:29 mircea_popescu: depends for whom :)
19:36:47 Naphex: aye :P
19:36:50 mircea_popescu: look, most everyone i know is using some more or less modded 0.5 0.6 some brave souls read through all .7
19:37:01 mircea_popescu: point is, nobody in his right mind would just go with the "up to date".
19:37:41 mircea_popescu: because the troop has proven, multiple times, that they're not to be trusted. plenty of those are simple incompetence, but at least three or so can be well argued as malice.
19:37:51 nubbins`: any public stats on version popularity?
19:38:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins` there's a downloads count on github, for what that's worth.
19:38:04 Naphex: (in my defense, i am not running any live nodes with wallets attached)
19:38:21 nubbins`: not much
19:38:34 kakobrekla: nubbins` https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/dashboard/
19:38:35 assbot: 24-hour chart - Bitnodes
19:38:37 mircea_popescu: by its nature this isn't something you'd know.
19:39:00 kakobrekla: see user agent ofc.
19:39:09 mircea_popescu: which anyone can set to anything.
19:39:24 kakobrekla: and most nobody changes it.
19:39:35 mircea_popescu: unl;ess they wish to not be pestered about uptading it
19:39:39 mircea_popescu: they just update the ver.
19:39:54 *: nubbins` raises eyebrow
19:40:27 kakobrekla: nah
19:42:26 mircea_popescu: go1111111: Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go<< no, actually, gavin has finally figured that there's not really space in bitcoin for him, and he wants to move on. which is fine.
19:42:35 mircea_popescu: but the derpage about taking bitcoin with him is ridoinculous.
19:42:49 mircea_popescu: let him do his whatever the hell it is and be happy, nobody cares.
19:44:00 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb.
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19:44:58 BingoBoingo: !b 4
19:45:01 mircea_popescu: so one block will fit 100x as many tx, and each solved block will yield 50x less in subsidies. that's a 5k drop over 20 years. it's high enough to kill the price, and with it mining, and with all that bring bitcoin back within the financial ability of the us.
19:45:12 mircea_popescu: which is exactly the point of all this fucking derpage.
19:45:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2014#862720
19:45:26 assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 18:01:23; mircea_popescu: making it n-0, retroactively. THEY HAVE YET TO ACTUALLY SCORE ONCE!
19:45:38 mircea_popescu: boys'd really love to make that 0 an 1 already.
19:46:49 mircea_popescu: and no, im not gonna think about the spooks. i couldn't give less of a shit that some single mom's ugly children are starving because her no fee half bitcent bitbet bet didn't get into any of sixty consecutive blocks.
19:47:06 mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it.
19:47:28 mircea_popescu: this specifically requires avoiding the tarpit of trying to be yet another macdonals, helping along with welfare distribution.
19:47:39 mircea_popescu: we're not here to be friends. we're here to fuck over the entire system, permanently.
19:49:12 Naphex: ben_vulpes: (>>> Naphex: have you tried btcd?) i have btcd running on a staging server. eats a bit more load but deffinetly not ready to run on production. I'm still grabbing metrics from it so time will tell
19:49:50 BingoBoingo: Boxes full of local cash. Only solution for using bitcoin in day to day transactions.
19:50:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but see, the question is : govt doesn't want to be a wholly owned subsidiary of bitcoin, and used as such, with its scrip a sort of ltc.
19:50:34 mircea_popescu: govt wants it the other way around, so why won't we be nice people and just make bitcoin a sort of replacement for sms payments already.
19:50:47 BingoBoingo: Maybe one month you only need a shoebox of Benjamins. Maybe another month you need a pallet of Woodrow Wilsons
19:50:51 mircea_popescu: they got the "global financial blabla" quite well pegged, they figure, why won't we just eat some crums ?
19:52:21 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it? << here's the problem : you went from cable to optic fibre to do that.
19:52:26 mircea_popescu: there's nothing after optic fiber.
19:52:30 BingoBoingo: Well the thing is we already have both things. Bitcoin for global finance and Altcoin for embarassing Gavincoin
19:52:48 mircea_popescu: sure, for as long as you're rubbing sticks together, things can increase massively. once you start running up against the limits of the universe however, that's that.
19:53:33 mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup
19:54:24 mircea_popescu: in short : just because your tits grew up 100% a week for half a year starting on your eleventh birthday doesn't mean jack. for one thing, the first cubic centimetre happened then.
19:54:35 mircea_popescu: imagining you'll keep doubling bra cup into your 30s is a little out there
19:54:48 mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay.
19:55:00 mircea_popescu: too much taking over of the "global financial blabla"
19:56:05 thestringpuller: take everything back to zero
19:56:19 thestringpuller: then we can go back to one.
19:57:01 assbot: xiando +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
19:57:47 BingoBoingo: !up xiando
19:58:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: Apocalyptic i'm trying to figure out why everyone has their dicks in a knot about it. nobody seems to know. ^ above should give you a good start.
19:58:58 asciilifeform: in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << copper phone net torn down. and where not torn down, scavengers are working. so no, not fiber, it'll be either nothing or dog-slow radio a la africa.
19:59:10 asciilifeform: ebolaphone.
19:59:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform satellite dial-up
20:00:03 jurov: unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires
20:00:04 asciilifeform: '3g' gprs stack is actually very similar to classical dialup internally.
20:00:14 mircea_popescu: it is yes
20:00:23 mircea_popescu: jurov sure they are.
20:00:34 asciilifeform: jurov: tell that to american scavengers. they've even pulled up fiber! purely through a combo of retardation and 'shoot first, questions second'
20:00:41 mircea_popescu: ^
20:01:26 jurov: in that case, AC wires/transformers will get missing first. bigger problem than just some phones
20:01:29 bounce: currently on 80/8 cable. and fibre has quite a bit of headroom yet. though for for low-latency things they're back to LoS-microwave links.
20:01:41 BingoBoingo: jurov> unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires << In my present metro area, when leaves my rural oasis for the city one finds all outdoor components of HVAC systems living in cages
20:02:01 mircea_popescu: what's gprs anyway, like 50kb/s and 1 second latencies ?
20:02:04 jurov: HVAC === phone wires ????
20:02:36 bounce: could perhaps imagine the typical post-apocalyptic american human wilderness with the addition of heavily guarded microwave towers for the happy few
20:02:46 BingoBoingo: jurov: It's copper and it already needs secured that way. Live electric wires also... disappear.
20:02:46 jurov: 64kbps, latency depends
20:03:13 asciilifeform: copper pipes routinely vanish from houses left unattended for some days, in a number of u.s. locales
20:03:23 asciilifeform: just as herr orlov predicted based on experience elsewhere
20:03:34 mircea_popescu: bounce fibre possibly has a lot of headroom yet. but so did cable, originally. point is there's not going to be a qualitative jump like going from copper to glass.
20:03:43 jurov: you completely missed my point, as susual. it's difference between 1mm and 0.1mm wires
20:03:48 asciilifeform: there's, hypothetically, 'more glass'
20:03:58 jurov: the latter you can't simply burn off of the plasitc
20:04:11 jurov: they tend to burn, too
20:04:14 bounce: not that we know of, anyway.
20:04:29 mircea_popescu: bounce but see, in 1960 we did know about optic fibre.
20:04:34
BingoBoingo:
20:04:47 mircea_popescu: jurov that is a good point
20:04:56 mircea_popescu: but they'll steal the main trunks, not the last miles.
20:05:04 jurov: these dudes who tear fibers dont know about smart fires :)
20:05:20 mircea_popescu: and main trunk is two inch thich copper.
20:05:26 jurov: main trunka aren't copper since 20 yrs ago
20:05:30 jurov: *trunks
20:05:33 BingoBoingo: Well... in the future it won't always be the dumb ones stealing
20:05:36 mircea_popescu: that'd depend lots.
20:05:39 cazalla: mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ? <<< no time for that, to sydney and back again in 2 days
20:06:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla so are you back in the seat now ?
20:06:13 cazalla: yup
20:07:05 BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier
20:07:25 jurov: anyway. in eastern europe/russia, phones and electricity did mostly work. heating and plumbing went away first.
20:07:59 bounce: copper has come a long way since then too. but anyway, if the argument was that there's some cap on the achievable max bandwidth... probably. whether we'll hit it in our lifetime and/or the end of the current civilisation? no idea.
20:08:04 mircea_popescu: in roimania it was the railroad signals and then the phones. nobody stole plumbing.
20:08:14 mircea_popescu: heating uh... what, steal gas pipe ? never happened
20:08:25 asciilifeform: coal.
20:08:28 BingoBoingo: jurov: People here don't usually bother heat... They bother cooling though
20:08:28 bounce: modern gas pipes are all plastic anyhow
20:08:37 asciilifeform: primorye case, etc
20:08:45 mircea_popescu: bounce no, the point was that there's no good reason to believe doubling each year for 20 years is something to engineer against.
20:09:21 BingoBoingo: Also thing that goes missing occasionally.... Aluminum park benches and bleachers.
20:09:22 bounce: well, it'd exclude anyone who couldn't keep up
20:09:24 asciilifeform: obligatory:
20:09:25 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/02/book-excerpt-wrong-math.html
20:09:26 assbot: ClubOrlov: Book Excerpt: The wrong math
20:09:37 mircea_popescu: bounce not the point of excluding, the point is of engineering.
20:09:46 mircea_popescu: effects aren't the consideration here. the cause is the consideration.
20:10:01 bounce: what, it's not about the politics for once?
20:10:22 mircea_popescu: im not aware it was about the politics, other than to reject unwarranted politics ploys.
20:10:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13431 @ 0.00074467 = 10.0017 BTC [-]
20:10:43 mircea_popescu: telling some derp derping about "what we should do" there's no we and nobody elected him is not politics, but the contrary thereof.
20:10:48 BingoBoingo: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/10/06#l1412554998 << Gentoo Bitcoin port apparently uses Luke-Jr patches by default
20:10:48 assbot: BitcoinStats
20:11:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anything good ?
20:11:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A bit of drama in the convo. Haven't finished it myself.
20:12:09 jurov: anyway. can anyone explain to me how am i a part of "a sum total of the global financial infrastructure"?
20:12:12 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's been quite some years since one could safely rely on gentoo defaults.
20:12:35 bounce: a neat little cog waving his convenient plastic around?
20:12:47 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: such burden << if not paid for, even a cent's worth can kill.
20:13:17 mircea_popescu: jurov mebbe you read an inclusive statement backwards ?
20:13:24 mircea_popescu: not all statements can be read backwards safely.
20:13:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd assume Gentoo users are of that school, but I dunno that Gentoo is luser proof yet.
20:13:56 mircea_popescu: it can;t be heh, isn't gentoo the offical hipster distro atm ?
20:14:00 jurov: it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin << this meand you and who else then?
20:14:10 asciilifeform: wtf is a hipster distro
20:14:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the distro that makes you cool by using it.
20:14:34 asciilifeform: (gentoo out of the box, as found now, is atrocious. i'm having face rubbed in this as we speak.)
20:14:37 mircea_popescu: jurov vexual.
20:14:41 asciilifeform: but there is no replacement for it
20:14:48 BingoBoingo: jurov: You run the only financial brokerage of note
20:14:52 thickasthieves: me too, i'm collecting bitcoins from bad traders
20:14:58 mircea_popescu: lol
20:15:00 asciilifeform: short of 'roll own everything, have team of artisans on retainer, 1000 man hours to start'
20:15:07 bounce: perhaps interesting to see how people got started in the gene sequencing biz, and over a couple decades have seen sequencing speeds and capacity shoot up not quite to the moon, but close.
20:15:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since you're doing all this, make a loper's gentoo put wrapper on blog ?
20:15:27 bounce: worked well enough there. I'd agree that banking on a similar thing happening in last mile connectivity is maybe a little optimistic.
20:15:47 mircea_popescu: bounce again, this is a discussion of very prepubescent titgrowth.
20:15:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the struggle revolves around a particular set of hardware, won't be of much interest to other people
20:15:58 jurov: thanks BingoBoingo, but how comes I have to run derpy casino to make ends meet?
20:15:59 mircea_popescu: telephone infrastructure has been a thing for > a century.
20:16:15 thickasthieves: casino is derpy?
20:16:52 thickasthieves: you are also collecting bitcoins from bad traders
20:16:54 jurov: coinbr mostly dried up this year
20:17:10 asciilifeform: (anyone who uses gentoo, see recent logs for systemd exorcism notes)
20:17:11 mircea_popescu: bounce here's some saner math : first telegraphed message was in 1844. the bw today, 170 years later, is 10mn times wider. (ie, taking that 10mbps).
20:17:14 bounce: it never really had to perform outside voice band up until very recently, though
20:17:19 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 10000000 ** (1/170)
20:17:19 gribble: 1.09945249861
20:17:25 mircea_popescu: 10% a year. how about that.
20:17:37 mircea_popescu: bounce telegraph, baby. no voice is being discussed.
20:17:43 jurov: thickasthieves not even a casino, dice game
20:17:48 mircea_popescu: it took 170 years to go from 1 baud to 10mn baud.
20:18:07 asciilifeform: who had 1 baud at home 170y ago ?
20:18:27 asciilifeform: morse?
20:18:32 mircea_popescu: everyone living next to morse lol
20:19:02 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you were to propose over the next 170 years it increases 10 million fold again, i would take 50-50 odds against.
20:19:14 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.5 ** 170
20:19:14 gribble: 862013444619732718146971238400
20:19:18 mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
20:19:19 thickasthieves: jurov, ok, maybe all mp meant by being the financial center is that HE is the center, and since we orbit around him, we aren't careening into the abyss
20:19:36 thickasthieves: amiright?
20:19:55 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves nah
20:22:57 asciilifeform: want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks.
20:23:09 asciilifeform: (hey, you said - bandwidth. not latency.)
20:23:15 punkman: dronedisks
20:23:26 jurov: blockchain bombardment
20:23:41 asciilifeform: 'c' is ultimate limit for latency, anyway, sans martian physics
20:23:46 bounce: ;;calc 10000000 * (1.09945249861 ** 170)
20:23:46 gribble: 1.00000000024e+14
20:24:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks. << Stationwagon and tape may still be king
20:25:00 asciilifeform: wagon in catapult, sure.
20:25:18 mircea_popescu: bounce 100tb ? nuts, but perhaps THIS side of nuts.
20:25:41 bounce: in 170 years? doesn't sound unreasonable, provided we keep up the pace.
20:26:02 mircea_popescu: right.
20:26:18 bounce: but it doesn't sound useful. 8k HD cat videos is silly already now.
20:26:30 mircea_popescu: EXACTLY.
20:26:50 mircea_popescu: which is a major fucking point that got neglected so far. there's this seinfeld where george tries to sell computers
20:26:54 mircea_popescu: "hey, it's got porn"
20:27:08 mircea_popescu: by now the limit on porn is that nobody can be fucking bothered to make the sluts look good in 8k hd.
20:27:17 mircea_popescu: so what's going to push your dubling each year ? faeries ?
20:27:36 mircea_popescu: in 1990 i could see it, we wanted to see samantha fox naked in color, rather than black/white ascii art.
20:27:49 jurov: 3d rendered pr0n
20:28:02 bounce: well, there's the thing. the phone system didn't really improve substantially until someone found a reason to repurpose that last mile for DSL. even if that DSL now mostly carries crap better carried some other way, or not at all.
20:28:25 mircea_popescu: bounce yes, but see, just like light in glass is a limit of the universe, that's relevant,
20:28:37 mircea_popescu: "full image of the human person" is also a limit, in fact. quite biological.
20:28:57 mircea_popescu: there substantially isn't something as interesting to people.
20:29:23 bounce: uncompressed hi-res n-dim medical imaging is a good, morally upstanding way to stuff the pipe. even if it's a bit of a niche now.
20:29:27 mircea_popescu: now this is a very distant, removed argument. but that doesn't entirely destroy it. sure, it's useless in a 5 year discussion.,
20:29:30 jurov: i just referred to "to make sluts look good"
20:29:41 mircea_popescu: jurov :p
20:30:04 mircea_popescu: bounce maybe. again, im not saying "no" or "never" here. i'm trying to do some actual reasoning on evaluating patently insane claims sprouted by gavin.
20:31:26 bounce: oh I haven't really kept up with that. maybe I should read up. but the point in the very general sense is that we don't know yet how we're going to waste tomorrow's bandwidth. you know, like youtube is quite a thing these days, but only can exist because availability of >>dialup bandwidths
20:32:09 mircea_popescu: last i heard youtube traffix was waning, but be that as it may,
20:32:15 bounce: so it's maybe a bit early to decide there won't be bandwidth because there won't be drive. may be. maybe not. it's not a given either way.
20:32:33 mircea_popescu: "bandwidth will double each year for 20 years because it has in a very rare circumstance the past 10" is not unlike the way people try to sell "global warming"
20:32:51 mircea_popescu: it's in fact exactly recycled golfclub pattern talk, which is exactly how the independent observer knows this is not merely gavin derping,
20:33:09 mircea_popescu: but in fact gavin executing usg agenda. those twerps have few ideas and they keep redressing them everywhere.
20:33:13 bounce: could be, but it boomed for a goodly bit, because it could. netflix took over torrent in biggest traffic (oh woe is the mafiaa and their pr-war), and so on.
20:33:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That -dev conversation has some interesting derping lower down with luke and Gavin agreeing
20:33:39 jurov: i see some conflation of technical and economical arguments
20:33:41 mircea_popescu: bounce sure. but by now it takes two minutes to dld a film and 120 to watch it
20:33:50 mircea_popescu: what is going to HALF it to a minute ? by next year ?
20:34:24 jurov: we want for bitcoin to have limited supply, not just amount but also blockchain space
20:34:35 *: bounce doesn't see that happen in a bit. just like the peecee business is in a bit of a slump, because, well, there's only so much cpu power reasonably wastable on eyecandy.
20:34:44 mircea_popescu: jurov not quite. i dun want jack shit. but when presented with an argument to
20:34:48 mircea_popescu: ACT, i wil consider it.
20:34:54 mircea_popescu: and this one fails on a number of grounds
20:35:02 mircea_popescu: so... it's not happening.
20:35:30 bounce: though as time went on I find myself watching less and less video. curious how that works, or doesn't.
20:36:07 mircea_popescu: cuz who the fuck has the time for video.
20:36:28 fluffypony: I uh
20:36:29 fluffypony: uh
20:36:31 fluffypony: http://vimeo.com/107435702
20:36:31 assbot: Lesley the Pony Has an A+ Day! on Vimeo
20:36:34 fluffypony: I have no words
20:36:35 mircea_popescu: lol
20:36:36 fluffypony: it's beautiful
20:36:41 *: bounce recalls someone complaining about kids wasting massive amounts of bandwidth on youtube music videos just for the audio; the browser window with the player is kept in the background
20:36:49 BingoBoingo: skinnkavaj agrees with Gavin on scalability, that dooms it.
20:37:07 mircea_popescu: is that the guy that was arguing with assbot ?
20:37:13 mircea_popescu: what, he's a core ranger now too ?
20:37:19 bounce: this is a weird way to follow an argument. is there a log of -dev somewhere?
20:37:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One of them. I dunno if he is a ranger, but he lurks a lot of places and interupts
20:37:47 BingoBoingo: bounce: bitcoinstats.com
20:37:50 jurov: bounce http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/
20:37:51 assbot: BitcoinStats
20:39:38 BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/vy9PQGqm
20:39:38 assbot: 07:09 wumpus Luke-Jr: YOU BROKE github-merge.sh 07:09 wumpus I guess I shou - Pastebin.com
20:40:42 mircea_popescu: and for the kids following at home : http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/7800000/SAM-4-samantha-fox-7878744-363-500.jpg << this is samantha fox. for a year or two she was probably the most jacked off to woman in teh world.
20:41:52 BingoBoingo: ninjashogun Let's design an ATM card that is a Bitcoin wallet. Who is up to the task with me. Ideas? Thoughts? Purpose: so that dumb users can just "get a card" rather than have to learn how to set up a complicated node on a p2p network. They already use ATM cards. So, this is a form factor thing. << The people who hop on -dev so srs
20:42:30 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo jesus i pity the sane people there.
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20:42:47 mircea_popescu: Azelphur going to be a game dev ?
20:43:04 Azelphur: mircea_popescu: no, and if I was I think I'd rather shoot myself than work for EA :P
20:43:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who knew we'd all be appreciating assbot's !up !down so much nao
20:44:08 mircea_popescu: yeah it grows on one
20:48:46 punkman: http://www.tipiti.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/1972.-Lena-S%C3%B6derberg-p1047.jpg
20:50:12 mircea_popescu: punkman butt approved!
20:52:06 punkman: http://www.famousboard.com/threads/6563-Lenna-Sj%C3%B6%C3%B6blom
20:52:07 assbot: Lenna Sjblom nude pics @ FamousBoard
20:52:10 punkman: quite famous
20:52:32 mircea_popescu: first lady of teh internets neh ?
20:52:51 punkman: she's got my vote
20:55:36 kakobrekla: !s vultr
20:55:36 assbot: 0 results for 'vultr' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=vultr
20:56:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style << do elaborate!
20:57:33 mircea_popescu: wow shit there's an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs ?!
20:59:38 mike_c: GET /gow//.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\etc/passwd << does this shit actually still work on anyone?
21:00:03 mircea_popescu: nope.
21:00:13 mircea_popescu: and i mean, so he gets passwd. so ?
21:00:17 mircea_popescu: what is he going to do with it ?
21:00:39 mike_c: who knows. but A for effort, 3000 requests in a minute.
21:01:39 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/ more in the same style.
21:01:40 assbot: O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
21:03:05 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/
21:03:22 mike_c: really? i thought we were going back to moon now.
21:03:51 asciilifeform: an actual word to describe the sheer ugliness of tshirts and chinos as worn by the modern western plebs >> neal stephenson's 'slines'
21:04:12 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I thought we never really hit the moon yet, just low earth orbit.
21:04:34 mike_c: last i heard we had hit moon and were aiming for mars. but i don't keep track.
21:04:50 mircea_popescu: wasn't it the dog that went to moon ?
21:05:09 kakobrekla: anything but earth please.
21:05:18 mike_c: http://bitnewt.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Bitcoin-Moon-Flag.gif
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21:08:39 BingoBoingo: That story about the silenced handgun is ridiculous. Even modern suppressors leave gunshots well over 100 dB range. Nice to know that our spymasters even insist on lying to themselves." Forgets .22lr is a thing
21:11:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: СП-4
21:18:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well... Always room for improvement
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21:23:02 The20YearIRCloud: oh joy
21:25:12 thestringpuller: w/dinwo 21
21:26:00 BingoBoingo: Basically texas needs quarantined nao
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21:27:25 The20YearIRCloud: texas has more health problems from illegals coming over the boarder than it does with ebola (all healthwise)
21:27:45 BingoBoingo: Nah.
21:27:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8219 @ 0.00074336 = 6.1097 BTC [-]
21:28:15 BingoBoingo: I imagine within the decade Mexico will be more concerned about illegals coming from the US than the other way.
21:29:17 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud depends how bad it gets.
21:29:23 BingoBoingo: I have a gut feeling that the big reason more US'ians don't follow through with their going to Canada threats is that Canada is too close to what they are leaving. That and Canada doesn't really want them.
21:29:30 mircea_popescu: from the looks of it they've got maybe even odds to lose control and end up with an epidemic
21:29:51 mircea_popescu: if the mortality is 20% from the disease and another 10% from the resulting stampede that's about 100mn deaths in the us by 2016.
21:31:40 ben_vulpes: do i hafta stop licking eyeballs?
21:31:47 asciilifeform: and the flights carry on.
21:31:55 asciilifeform: ebama, obola.
21:32:43 asciilifeform: official excuse is, get this, 'you can't get infected on the plane, we check for fever getting off'
21:32:58 asciilifeform: if chewbacca lives on endor you must acquit.
21:33:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is some merit to this. apparently it's not infectious presymptomatically.
21:33:06 asciilifeform: sure.
21:33:10 ben_vulpes: you better lose yourself in the pandemic \ you own it, you better never let it go \ you only get one shot do not miss your chance to blow
21:33:22 mircea_popescu: n ow on the other hand, who gives a shit about west africa flights...
21:33:27 asciilifeform: yes.
21:33:29 asciilifeform: ebama does.
21:33:47 mircea_popescu: i don't get this. you telling me it's specifically because obama is a kenyan citizen ?
21:33:50 asciilifeform: gotta bring in more, you see, texas seed might die out.
21:33:51 mircea_popescu: kenya is not even on the list ?
21:33:56 mircea_popescu: eh get out.
21:34:04 asciilifeform: nah, it's because this is a golden chance for usg.
21:34:12 asciilifeform: or at least, someone seems to think so
21:34:14 mircea_popescu: to... what ?
21:34:16 bounce: that whole patenting thing?
21:34:23 asciilifeform: to remain relevant a little longer.
21:34:45 chetty: but seriously when exactly do you cross the line to being infections? the exact second you show a fever? the first time you cough? of just maybe its actually 5 minutes before ...
21:34:45 asciilifeform: and to desaparecer certain inconveniences in the chaos.
21:34:52 mircea_popescu: get out, no govenrment in history survived a large pandemic
21:34:53 mircea_popescu: nor could it.
21:35:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00074435 = 14.7381 BTC [+] {2}
21:35:16 mircea_popescu: chetty apparently it's well after fever.
21:35:24 asciilifeform: chetty: when exactly do you cross the line << from a sane (e.g. soviet) epidemiologist's point of view - when you set foot in a 'hot zone' - you're infectious until proven innocent.
21:35:25 mircea_popescu: there's good biological reason for this
21:35:28 penguirker: New blog post: http://qntra.net/2014/10/boost-vc-and-zapchain-team-up-to-create-the-bitcoin-course/
21:35:29 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/get-your-bitcoin-news-widget/
21:35:36 chetty: me dont believe thay actually know for sure
21:35:41 BingoBoingo: chetty: No one knows where the line is, may vary in different situations
21:36:03 mircea_popescu: chetty this is roughly like the "can't get aids from mosquitoes/bugs
21:36:08 mircea_popescu: generally, broadly speaking you don't.
21:36:13 mircea_popescu: then again...
21:36:13 ben_vulpes: ottomans survived regular decimations in constantinople, according to "The Sultans"
21:36:21 chetty: asciilifeform, I like that definition
21:36:26 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which specifically ?
21:36:36 dub: is there acutally more cases of obola or are yall watching fox again
21:36:40 ben_vulpes: which ottomans?
21:36:50 mircea_popescu: dub the sherrif apparently is suspcious
21:36:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which epidemic
21:37:00 ben_vulpes: "plague"
21:37:04 mircea_popescu: WHICH lol
21:37:12 asciilifeform: dub: they're ddosing the public with 'yet another 134 false alarms in city X!'
21:37:13 ben_vulpes: it was a passing note, take it up with Barber!
21:37:13 mircea_popescu: like, what year.
21:37:27 chetty: dub, they took another one into isolation to 'test'
21:37:29 ben_vulpes: dunno boss.
21:38:00 asciilifeform: dub: when folks start to burst in shopping malls into bloody mess, they won't be able to keep a lid on it. and they know it. so what can they do? cultivate an atmosphere of bullshit, so the news will be met with maximal skepticism.
21:38:35 mircea_popescu: like the 1812/13 ? or prior ?
21:38:38 asciilifeform: these folks are pro at exactly one thing: keeping the cattle from stampede.
21:38:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The scariest zombies are always the kind that die. I've never much feared undeath.
21:38:51 chetty: I don't think they even need actual disease now, the fear may be enough
21:38:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't credit them with that.
21:38:57 mircea_popescu: it's the cattle.
21:40:03 chetty: on the not shutting down flights, whats wrong with those pilots and aircrews, they can and should shut it down
21:40:19 asciilifeform: chetty: they want to eat.
21:40:19 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most cattle here lack the cardiovascular endurance to really... Stampede... McDonalds et al
21:40:35 mircea_popescu: ;;google Cocoliztli
21:40:35
gribble:
Megadrought and Megadeath in 16th Century Mexico:
21:40:44 mircea_popescu: teh mexicans had an ebola-ish thing at some point.
21:41:00
chetty:
21:41:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hanta, still endemic to the America southwest. Goes through dormant, emergent cycles
21:42:32 chetty: BingoBoingo, thats a point, with all the drought that should have broken out, haven't seen anything about it
21:42:37 mircea_popescu: !up Quinn_
21:42:51 BingoBoingo: Basically North America can not have an edible mouse like Slovenia can.
21:43:06 mircea_popescu: they eat the squirels. same deal.
21:43:21 Quinn_: mircea, i was told you wanted to talk to me?
21:43:27 BingoBoingo: Hanta is apparently a creature of the desert.
21:43:30 mircea_popescu: this is possible. who are you ?
21:43:40 Quinn_: I created the bitcoin users in a nutshell cartoon.
21:43:45 mircea_popescu: o hey.
21:43:58 mircea_popescu: dja wanna make some bitcoin-assets cartoons ?
21:44:34 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: prior, iirc. the context of the remark was that the sultan (subject of the chapter) began to address the plagues that had routinely decimated the capital with european medical techniques. this was, iirc, one of the last three to rule before the sultanate was brought to an end by the young turks et al.
21:44:54 asciilifeform: chetty: in usa we fear unemployment literally more than bloody death of obola.
21:45:01 mircea_popescu: does your own statement resolve your objection ben_vulpes ? :)
21:45:15 Quinn_: Depends on the content, i have a site which is better to contact me through. www.zenithquinn.com/#!commissions/c171x
21:45:15 ben_vulpes: o ya :D
21:45:30 mircea_popescu: Quinn_ how does it depend on the content ?
21:45:44 ben_vulpes: though the causal relationship is a little murky to me
21:45:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes merely correlation was proposed.
21:45:58 Quinn_: well I don't know what type of cartoons you want, so i can't tell you if i can agree to it or not.
21:46:16 mircea_popescu: but i'm preselected, i already seen the cartoon you made, so we're going with that type.
21:46:43 Quinn_: But do you have a script /idea?
21:46:53 bounce: ``The Mexican natives in the encomienda system were treated as virtual slaves, were poorly fed and clothed, and were greatly overworked as farm and mine laborers. This harsh treatment appears to have left them particularly vulnerable to epidemic disease.'' -- worked to death, illness finished it
21:47:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7897 @ 0.00074732 = 5.9016 BTC [+]
21:47:29 mircea_popescu: Quinn_ no, not yet. but if you're amenable to work on one i think we can probably come up with something.
21:47:55 mircea_popescu: bounce i wouldn't credit post-libtard revolution descriptions of history.
21:48:29 mircea_popescu: i mean sure, it all fits neatly, "prior to the soviet state and everywhere outside of it kids had it rough and didn't even get any icecream"
21:48:32 mircea_popescu: still...
21:49:14 bounce: that's not-invented-here.gov, dunno about their political or historic revisionism inclinations
21:49:18 Quinn_: Contact me through my site and we can discuss this further! :)
21:49:28 mircea_popescu: i'm not going to.
21:49:33 mircea_popescu: that's the point, actually.
21:49:45 mircea_popescu: you can contact me through here and we can discuss it further.
21:50:37 Quinn_: I don't arrange commissioned work through irc chats, not very trustworthy.
21:50:44 mircea_popescu: Quinn_ how long does it take you to make one of these ? could you in principle bang out one a week if scripts were availabe ?
21:50:52 mircea_popescu: it'd work nicely as a weekly featured video for qntra
21:51:42 Quinn_: The amount of work and time dedicated all depends on price. e.g a $300 video that's 30 seconds long will take a week.
21:51:44 mircea_popescu: hm, irc chats are actually the pinnacle of trustworthy, you just don't know about how it all works yet.
21:51:53 mircea_popescu: so how long did this video in question take you ?
21:52:43 Quinn_: I did it in my spare time between commissions, since it wasn't a source of income so around 3 months
21:52:57 Quinn_: and I know nothing about you, a quick google search doesn't reveal anything either
21:53:02 mircea_popescu: ah so it's very work intensive huh.
21:53:23 Quinn_: other than one article citing you as a romanian billionaire which doesn't exactly sound in any way legit.
21:53:25 mircea_popescu: maybe your google isn't so good ?
21:53:36 mircea_popescu: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/ for instance
21:53:36 assbot: Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on' The Register
21:53:55 mike_c: not entirely legit. should be "ex-pat romanian".
21:55:16 BingoBoingo: Quinn_: At the time he was provably a Billionaire. Now He's mysteriously maybe so. Bitcoin be volatile.
21:55:17 mircea_popescu: how does it not sound in any way legit ?!
21:55:35 BingoBoingo: He's at least a plural hundreds of Millionaire though, provably.
21:55:52 mircea_popescu: bitcoin created what, 50bn worth of value out of the ether. didja think it all went into the usg budget or something ?
21:56:29 Quinn_: Not to seem rude, but there;s hundreds or people who claim to be bitcoin millionaires on reddit and such.
21:56:41 mircea_popescu: well, sure.
21:56:50 mircea_popescu: nobody is claiming reddit is legit.
21:57:05 BingoBoingo: ;;ident mircea_popescu
21:57:05 gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
21:57:55 mircea_popescu: this is an interesting point tho. i guess for the vast majority of the public, bitcoin is this "cool tech", nobody stops to think bitcoin is actually a bunch of saudi princes.
21:59:03 Quinn_: mircea didn't you create a porn site under a false name and stolen content?
21:59:31 mircea_popescu: nope.
21:59:49 mircea_popescu: i was a producer for a bunch shots, but that was back in the 90s.
22:00:28 hanbot: mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ? asciilifeform: you of all people should know << ahahaha, this convo....
22:00:35 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/MCRKSsq.gif :D
22:01:06 Quinn_: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!
22:01:17 mircea_popescu: cheers.
22:01:21 mircea_popescu: who the fucke is tapeke
22:01:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/onmJiHN.gif << am i putting this in the next s.nsa report ?
22:02:18 mircea_popescu: "
22:02:19 mircea_popescu: Tapeke is the first personal finance application specifically designed for Bitcoin. We help Bitcoiners to keep track of their Bitcoin expenses and incomes and ..." << you couldn't possibly mean that ?!
22:02:51 Naphex: lol
22:03:10 thestringpuller: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! << blockchain is trustworthy nao?
22:03:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, the sad part here is that 15k youtube views took $300 * 3 * 4.2 = 3800 dollars' worth of this guy's time.
22:03:40 mircea_popescu: which is fucking scary.
22:04:05 mike_c: his time must be worth more given he just turned down a weekly video job.
22:04:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c i don't think he was proceeding very calculatedly tbh.
22:04:44 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I dunno. It's all about the burn rate.
22:06:25 mike_c: BingoBoingo: you're all over my homepage (again) http://www.btcalpha.com/
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22:06:42 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 49(Y):51(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,832.
22:06:58 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, mike_c dja feel like doing some writing for qrta ?
22:07:10 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Cool
22:07:40 mike_c: my once-a-month pace already strains my time for writing. i don't think i'm the right fit for a newsroom.
22:07:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!
22:07:51 mircea_popescu: kk
22:09:23 thickasthieves: ;;ticker
22:09:25 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 353.67, Best ask: 353.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 353.67, 24 hour volume: 27768.82024727, 24 hour low: 326.93, 24 hour high: 355.0, 24 hour vwap: 342.040137856
22:09:37 thickasthieves: chugging along
22:09:44 mike_c: there was this woman around looking for work who was a writer, but i think she disappeared.
22:10:04 mircea_popescu: work is apparently hard.
22:10:13 mike_c: ;;seen wyrdmantis
22:10:13
gribble:
wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 57 seconds ago:
22:10:17 mircea_popescu: so much shit on people's eyes getting in the way of their finding a loaf of bread
22:11:40 mircea_popescu: !up SweeteDad
22:12:38 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#863189 < PFT! > http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#865319
22:12:40 assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 03:44:52; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading. << bwahahaha WAY AHEAD
22:12:41 assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 22:01:06; Quinn_: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain! Seeya!
22:13:15 mike_c: ;;gettrust tapeke
22:13:16 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user tapeke: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mike_c&dest=tapeke | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tapeke | Rated since: never
22:13:22 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you don't understand how the world works.
22:13:35 kakobrekla: bignum is mininum.
22:14:42 mircea_popescu: trust is a feeling! investing is a +ev activity for the amateur, just like people make a profit growing tomatoes on their windowsil. sticks and stones could break your bones but words is what really matters. etc.
22:15:12 xanthyos: my dad has lung cancer
22:15:14 xanthyos: beat pancreatic
22:15:16 xanthyos: got lung
22:15:17 xanthyos: 2 years
22:15:35 xanthyos: and i have been stuck in the chapel perilous in some schizoaffective bullshit for 8 days unable to leave the house or bed
22:15:45 xanthyos: so i think that deserves a negative assbot rating
22:15:49 xanthyos: i'm too crazy to live
22:15:53 xanthyos: farewell
22:15:55 BingoBoingo: xanthyos: Sucks.
22:16:13 mircea_popescu: xanthyos this too shall pass eh.
22:16:36 xanthyos: maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment
22:16:39 xanthyos: i'm better off dead
22:16:45 xanthyos: i might buy a bottle of vodka and walk into the woods
22:16:46 mircea_popescu: wouldja simmer down ?
22:16:48 thickasthieves: nonsense
22:17:17 mircea_popescu: i never heard of any man's post pancreatic lung cancer giving their offspring braindamage
22:17:24 BingoBoingo: vodka and the woods sounds like a fun way to get a hangover.
22:17:28
kakobrekla:
x
22:17:30 mircea_popescu: and that without even considering the part where you were born before he got it.
22:18:54
BingoBoingo:
22:19:06 xanthyos: A LIFE WITHOUT SUFFERING
22:19:17 xanthyos: i haven't had a girlfriend since 2004
22:19:20 mircea_popescu: how about steve irvin, BingoBoingo ? that dude was too crazy to live.
22:19:29 mircea_popescu: xanthyos why not ?
22:19:32 xanthyos: because i'm too afraid if i got a girlfriend i'd just end up BEATING her like the last one
22:19:37 xanthyos: how's that for honest?
22:19:38 mircea_popescu: uh
22:19:42 mircea_popescu: so get one that likes it.
22:19:48 xanthyos: i dont' like to do it
22:19:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, he was too stupid and the stingray too wily
22:19:52 xanthyos: ti's not a sadomasochistic thing
22:20:01 mircea_popescu: well work with me here eh.
22:20:02 xanthyos: it's impulse control
22:20:08 bounce: get a gf that could hit you right back, and will if you mope
22:20:25 mike_c: so go see a shrink?
22:20:42 mircea_popescu: yeah, basically, eiother bounce or my solution works.
22:20:49 xanthyos: have one, but missed my most recent appointment due to anxiety
22:20:51 bounce: plenty help with all sorts of things. good of you to know where (some of) your weaknesses are. doing something about it is the next step.
22:20:54 mircea_popescu: it's not "impulse control", once she hands you your ass twice a week for a month
22:21:34 bounce: and of course, it's always darkest right before dawn.
22:21:41 thickasthieves: get someone to help you with motivating and taking care of yourself to do what you need to do
22:21:42 mircea_popescu: honestly i'd rather go to some full contact sport thing than a shrink if the problem is violence.
22:21:49 thickasthieves: maybe in addition to the shrink
22:22:07 thestringpuller: xanthyos: one of my closest friends has schizoaffective disorder. there was a point when he was having tons of episodes everyday that he couldn't really leave the house. But he's doing better now because better treatment is out. Just stick with it mang.
22:22:13 bounce: close in-person friends >> self-"medication"
22:22:25 xanthyos: the ocd and borderline personality disorder are the truly disabling things
22:22:32 xanthyos: i can deal with being schizo
22:22:39 mircea_popescu: wha do you do for a living anyway ?
22:22:40 xanthyos: those symptoms are mild
22:22:57 xanthyos: in 2001 i was diagnosed "gravely disabled" and have been receiving social security since
22:22:57 kakobrekla: being a test subject
22:23:07 mircea_popescu: o.O
22:23:12 xanthyos: i'm one of the entitled socialist dregs that bitcoin is going to weed out
22:23:23 mircea_popescu: lmao how do you make it in here without wanting to bash people's heads in ?
22:23:23 xanthyos: and i'm fine with it
22:23:26 mike_c: not if you buy bitcoin with your SS check
22:23:56 xanthyos: heh
22:24:01 hanbot: xanthyos http://thewhet.net/2012/this-is-it/ << written for pretty much where you are.
22:24:02 assbot: This is it | The Whet
22:24:24 mircea_popescu: hanbot wait, you got schizopersonalify disorder and ocde/whatever too ?
22:25:15 hanbot: nope
22:25:44 mircea_popescu: btw, im kinda surprised none of the evil-overgovernment conspiracy theorists have identified the oecd as the mechanism.
22:25:49 mircea_popescu: it seems rather obvious.
22:26:00 bounce: there's more ways and reasons to feel hopelessly inadequate and unfit for life
22:26:11 bounce: shit, every version of the DSM has MORE reasons
22:26:13 hanbot: i don't put too much stock in the whole dsm classification stuffs.
22:26:42 bounce: V got a little out of hand, making it less than useful
22:27:00 mircea_popescu: bounce or less than useless, as the case may be
22:27:21 xanthyos: i just don't want to spend hours a week comparing the lengths of my fingernails anymore.
22:27:25 xanthyos: it's not profitable
22:27:31 bounce: worse than. possibly quite a lot worse, depending on how much of a party the insurers are going to throw with it
22:28:10 mircea_popescu: xanthyos so do something useful then.
22:28:18 bounce: so get out and do something. maybe some moderately physically demanding job
22:28:25 mircea_popescu: why moderately ?
22:28:56 bounce: gotta start somewhere.
22:29:16 mircea_popescu: lol you mean, first time, single nail ?
22:29:51 thickasthieves: i think i mentioned pot before, but it doesnt suit you
22:29:55 bounce: more like something that'll get you nice and tired for a good night's sleep but not something that's so demanding it's easy to give up on
22:30:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00074747 = 10.3151 BTC [+] {2}
22:30:09 thickasthieves: a fam member uses it for his psych issues, along with some meds
22:30:22 mircea_popescu: hanbot great post btw.
22:30:25 thickasthieves: he's obsessed with making a home recording studio currently
22:30:46 hanbot: ty kindly mircea_popescu
22:31:04 mircea_popescu: thickasthieves i knew a guy who basically had a soundstage, because he wanted to record all his fucking sessions, which he then catalogued and manically preserved for old age.
22:31:23 mircea_popescu: died before being 40.
22:31:27 thickasthieves: it's an endless hobby to obsess on
22:31:29 thickasthieves: b
22:31:57 thickasthieves: very antisocial too
22:32:13 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $200 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1056/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,764.
22:32:14 bounce: the socials become rockstars and die at 27 from an overdosis
22:32:17 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.2409 BTC. Current weight: 94,322.
22:33:52 mircea_popescu: check it out, that's a choke ain't it. 2 on >200 1 on < 600
22:36:19 bounce: hanbot: s/treacle/trickle/ ?
22:38:21 hanbot: bounce treacle, sugar refining byproduct. a brownish, sickly-sweet gunk. perhaps a little awkward in there ::shrugs::
22:38:39 mircea_popescu: o.O
22:38:40 bounce: alright, if that's how you wanted it.
22:47:55 danielpbarron: ;;rate xanthyos 4 face-to-face associate; 10+ year relationship; https://twitter.com/xanthyos
22:47:56 assbot: Tweets met antwoorden van xanthyos (@xanthyos) | Twitter
22:47:56 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user xanthyos has changed from -3 to 4.
22:49:23 bounce: cute toys: http://www.dolphinics.com/products/
22:49:24 assbot: Dolphin Express IX products - Low latency
22:49:30 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know that feed is protected
22:49:53 danielpbarron: ya, so?
22:50:09 bounce: protection against the uncool people
22:50:48 BingoBoingo: The US really should start selling ketamine like aspirin
22:50:50 danielpbarron: i think you need to be in his L1 to get access :p
22:55:35 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
22:55:37 gribble: Current Blocks: 324464 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 111 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 9 minutes, and 55 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35121138498.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.32629
22:58:33 asciilifeform: bounce: Dolphin Express << very neat. but golden toilet.
22:58:42 bounce: oh?
22:58:52 asciilifeform: 'if you have to ask price, you can't afford this'
22:59:28 bounce: there's that. sort-of implied by the high finance and military as proposed applications.
22:59:45 asciilifeform: bounce: if you want this (as i do) built it by hand, with fpga-to-pcie board.
22:59:49 asciilifeform: that's all it is, anyway
23:00:14 asciilifeform: they're dressing this as 'enterprise' turdware, yes.
23:00:58 *: bounce doesn't begin to have the soldering skills for that. or the rest of the ee skills. will have to work on that.
23:01:09 asciilifeform: no need to solder, surplus fpga demo board off 'ebay'.
23:01:24 asciilifeform: physically-identical to this unit, quite possibly.
23:01:36 bounce: O_O
23:02:02 asciilifeform: it's just some glue logic between pcie and external cabling.
23:02:13 asciilifeform: with possibly a little dma magic on transmitting and receiving ends.
23:02:37 asciilifeform: people who are not satisfied with '1024 chickens' often buy something like this.
23:02:52 asciilifeform: you still get same chickens (pc cpus) but now in a shared-memory harness.
23:03:46 bounce: they can charge quite a lot before it becomes more economical to buy non-chicken cpus
23:04:19 asciilifeform: non-chicken << you can't buy them.
23:04:31 asciilifeform: they don't exist. no one has made any such thing for 20+ years.
23:05:25 bounce: you don't like sparc and ppc either then?
23:05:38 asciilifeform: bounce: read why s. cray uttered the 'chickens' phrase.
23:06:06 asciilifeform: some jobs simply do not parallelize.
23:06:11 asciilifeform: as in, mathematically.
23:06:53 asciilifeform: the engineers' answer seems to have been, 'well don't do those jobs'
23:07:00 bounce: true enough. and so the best you can have there today AIUI is a 5+ GHz IBM thing in a massively overpriced package
23:07:13 asciilifeform: just as when musical notes appeared, music that was difficult to write down with notes - perhaps, disappeared.
23:07:27 asciilifeform: big fat fucking deal, 5.
23:07:34
BingoBoingo:
23:07:44 asciilifeform: 2x speedup, 200x price markup.
23:08:31 bounce: that gives a lot of headroom for fancy interconnects, no? :-p
23:09:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: given that tcp/ip lets you fuck with ordering, that trivially parallelizes. at least, as fast as you can physically clock the bits off the wire to individual comparison registers, and then back on
23:09:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'narus corp.' (il. they supply a good chunk of nsa's hardware infrastructure) sells these.
23:09:52 asciilifeform: if you need one - straight to them. take a few $m.
23:10:48 asciilifeform: back to subject:
23:11:13 asciilifeform: if you have $maxint and want to convert it to parallelizable number crunching - plenty of people are ready to help.
23:11:28 asciilifeform: you'll end up with a small underground city full of intel, amd, whatever boxen.
23:11:44 asciilifeform: if you have $maxint and want to grind a non-parallelizable problem - god help you.
23:11:58 asciilifeform: it won't even suffice to build new fabs
23:12:13 asciilifeform: you'll need to find new chemists. that are (if you're lucky) in their cradles right now.
23:12:16 asciilifeform: and wait a few decades.
23:12:21 asciilifeform: and then - maybe you have something.
23:14:38 bounce: what's the fastest the labs (not fabs) can do now? 60GHz or so with graphene 'tors?
23:14:46 asciilifeform: 60GHz of what?
23:14:49 asciilifeform: of 'not' gate?
23:14:54 asciilifeform: fat lot of good that'll do you.
23:15:00 asciilifeform: these are sold for rf applications.
23:15:19 asciilifeform: and once you connect two or more - here's your propagation delay.
23:15:23 asciilifeform: welcome to 1975.
23:16:20 pete_dushenski_: damn, mircea_popescu is on a roll today.
23:16:37 pete_dushenski_: this block size talk really lit the fire!
23:17:54 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here << they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny.
23:19:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc <<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb. << whoa.
23:20:24 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it. << so *that's* why we're here!
23:20:32 *: pete_dushenski has purpose now.
23:20:40 bounce: only now?
23:20:52 pete_dushenski: wait, no, not purpose, causes!
23:20:59 pete_dushenski: i should really start reading contravex
23:21:04 *: bounce thinks of a 'pinky' joke, but fails... like every night.
23:22:28 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup << only then will their derping be tamed. when it actually costs something.
23:22:55 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay. << such forecasting these guys.
23:23:15 bounce: don't be silly. how did you think ma bell got to be big? it wasn't from lack of traffic!
23:23:16 pete_dushenski: which brings up gavin's latest, yes, make that his THIRD comment on contravex today:
23:23:27 pete_dushenski: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30668
23:23:27 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
23:24:08 pete_dushenski: gavin must drive a lexus because he's definitely in the pursuit of perfection.
23:24:25 pete_dushenski: bounce ma bell?
23:24:38 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously
23:24:45 bounce: ring ring. those guys.
23:25:35 pete_dushenski: "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL." << love this line by gavin.
23:26:12 pete_dushenski: "uhh let me make up numbers and not even mask the fact that they're made up because i'm typing in my retardedness."
23:26:37 pete_dushenski: chief scientist should be spending his time figuring out a plaintext emoticon for "drool"
23:26:54 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/32JAMK3.txt )
23:26:54 pete_dushenski: !b 3
23:28:41 bounce: those numbers are not that important. he could be off by a factor of ten and nobody'd notice. the "paying attention to the needs of EVERYBODY" is killer, though. in light of his committing those same EVERYBODY on upgrading their connectivity every year.
23:28:49
Apocalyptic:
23:30:27 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I mean right now it would be feasible to put a Bitcoin node pretty much anywhere with a wired internet connection other than Nepal or the Desert, yet... this constant bandwidth grow really only happen consistently in data centers.
23:30:55 thestringpuller: actually you could probably get away with 56k satellite phone connection in nepal
23:30:56 mircea_popescu: dude i go make some porn websites with stolen false names for five minutes and when i return the log scrolled off my desk
23:30:57 BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/my-failed-attempt-to-suck-the-walmart-flavored-blood-of-1642497737 << New Yorkers forced to confront real America.
23:30:58 assbot: My Failed Attempt to Suck the Walmart-Flavored Blood of Real America
23:31:04 thestringpuller: if you had the block chain already downloaded
23:31:36 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: What took me so long was building a full txindex.
23:31:54 thestringpuller: the reindexing is killer
23:32:15 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, pretty much, I wasn't being sarcastic
23:32:28 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I know.
23:34:02 BingoBoingo: It's the derps who see adds about hosting prices falling or staying constant and the connections offered increasing... Don't realize how infrequently... people who keep their own machines upgrade their connections... Unless they are running a data center.
23:34:14
mircea_popescu:
23:34:55 asciilifeform: ;;google perfectly sequential problem
23:34:56
gribble:
P-complete - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
23:35:11 asciilifeform: trivial example: sha(sha(sha..............
23:35:27 asciilifeform: (notice i didn't say 'mining btc')
23:35:31 mircea_popescu: sha(sha still paralelizes to some degree. it gotta
23:35:38 mircea_popescu: rainbow tables. something.
23:35:54 asciilifeform: not everything 'gotta'..
23:35:56 mircea_popescu: but yeah, i see what you mean
23:36:35 asciilifeform: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/806569/whats-the-opposite-of-embarrassingly-parallel
23:36:36 assbot: multithreading - What's the opposite of "embarrassingly parallel"? - Stack Overflow
23:36:46 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2im4zv/gavin_andresen_proposes_bitcoin_hard_fork_to/cl3pga6
23:36:46 assbot: justusranvier comments on Gavin Andresen Proposes Bitcoin Hard Fork to Address Network Scalability
23:37:15 BingoBoingo: http://valleyball.co/ << Mega lulz, fantasy Venture capitalism
23:37:16 assbot: Valleyball - a fantasy VC league
23:38:11
mircea_popescu:
23:38:51
mircea_popescu:
23:39:03 thickasthieves: ;;ticker
23:39:05 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.82, Best ask: 356.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 356.98, 24 hour volume: 28804.88232732, 24 hour low: 326.93, 24 hour high: 357.98, 24 hour vwap: 342.641644065
23:39:16 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: better me than you!
23:39:23 thickasthieves: ;;estimate
23:39:24 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 35106354396.7 based on data since last change | 35353044324.1 based on data for last three days
23:39:27 thickasthieves: meh
23:39:41 pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: so much for that diff spike eh?
23:40:03 thickasthieves: i always assume the spikes are a new batch of miners testing then shipping
23:40:15 thickasthieves: cuz i am human and must invent gods
23:40:19
mircea_popescu:
23:40:26 mircea_popescu: really curious what turdage lurks therein
23:40:34 thestringpuller: can reddit really get more dumb?
23:42:06 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: hmm. maybe gavin is trying to tip us off below the radar of his handlers?
23:42:14 pete_dushenski: maybe he has a soul!!11
23:42:17 thestringpuller: "Thank you for posting that article! Brother Taaki knocks it out of the park." << like really
23:42:22 thestringpuller: "Brother Taaki" ~_~
23:42:25 mircea_popescu: i have no idea, but the performance issue triggers my everpresend paranoid suspicion
23:42:56 mircea_popescu: justusranvier that's a rather intelligent point.
23:43:07 mircea_popescu: probably wasted in the venue, but i do kinda see you as this barefoot preacher to the huns.
23:43:11 mats_cd03: he has his cult and we have ours
23:43:28 mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 no. they have their cults and we have a culture.
23:43:33 mircea_popescu: the difference is staggering.
23:43:57 mircea_popescu: course... we don't dance nearly as well.
23:45:03 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: Which point?
23:45:04 mircea_popescu: "BRANSON, MO?Among the things that I dislike most in this world are patriotism, religion, tourist traps, country music, and the Walmart corporation. So I traveled to the one area of this nation that captures them all. It did not go as planned."
23:45:12 mircea_popescu: uh that's a weird trail mix..
23:45:27 mircea_popescu: justusranvier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2014#865561
23:45:30 assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 23:36:46; thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2im4zv/gavin_andresen_proposes_bitcoin_hard_fork_to/cl3pga6
23:47:02 BingoBoingo: You know at this point the shit Gavin proposes on the roadmap has to suggest a three letter agency gave him an explosive buttplug.
23:47:19 thestringpuller: That reminds me of Man on Fire.
23:47:30 justusranvier: Oh, that one. Sorry, having less-than-optimal connectivity to my bouncer right now
23:47:32 BingoBoingo: Good movie, Denzel at his best.
23:47:33 thestringpuller: Where Denzel puts a C4 block in the rectum of a police chief
23:48:04 mircea_popescu: ss your heart" Southern affectation of intense, polite agreement with everything that makes a mockery of any attempt at challenging conversation. Even when Bucky started ranting about various street artists and why they are or are not sellouts, Berry would strenuously agree, despite the fact that?and I don't think I'm speaking out of turn here?the street art scene in Branson is rather limited. Banksy's new piece? "
23:48:04 mircea_popescu: Uh HUH!" Dan Witz's mosh pit paintings? "AbsoLUTEly!" This is actually a clever form of communications ju-jitsu, because, over time, you start adopting the same affectation just to fit in, until one day you hear yourself saying "That ghost tour was AMAZING!" and you wonder if you have lost your identity somewhere along Highway 86.
23:48:04 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
23:48:23 mircea_popescu: dude, that article's something else. buncha tiresome hippies rolling their eyes at b uncha tiresome fargo inhabitants.
23:48:45 mircea_popescu: how the fuck do the gawker idjits figure they're any better than the ozarks idiots just through being a different color...
23:49:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Best part. The authors and subjects... all white as gypsum
23:49:39 justusranvier: This was a more important thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ighvq/a_scalability_roadmap_the_bitcoin_foundation/cl2fbhx
23:49:40 assbot: justusranvier comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation
23:50:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i didn't mean that color. i just meant, red prius roling headlights at white prius for being such a mainstream pos car.
23:50:15 BingoBoingo: Ah
23:50:21 justusranvier: go a few parents up to finnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd the staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarting po
23:50:53 justusranvier: stupid flakey wifi...
23:51:31 mircea_popescu: lmao your wifi did that ?!
23:51:41 BingoBoingo: Even thermos doubts Gavin https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ighvq/a_scalability_roadmap_the_bitcoin_foundation/cl25hmw
23:51:41 assbot: theymos comments on A Scalability Roadmap | The Bitcoin Foundation
23:51:54 pete_dushenski: my third response to gavin for the day: http://contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-30754
23:51:56 assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
23:51:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, i know what you're saying, it's sensible, but also a very hard problem.
23:52:25 pete_dushenski: and i'm off to have two lovely romanians make me a home-cooked meal!
23:52:26 justusranvier: I have a... nonstandard irc client configuration
23:53:51 justusranvier: I have a vm running Xorg on a VPS, and I connect this desktop remotely using Spice protocol
23:54:07 justusranvier: Spice doesn't handle dropped packets very well...
23:54:37 mircea_popescu: justusranvier so then what happens actually is that if you press a key it sends a packet over and if you depress it similarly
23:54:46 mircea_popescu: and so if it misses a packet in there you just keep on typing n ?
23:54:59 justusranvier: apparently so
23:54:59 mircea_popescu: this boggles the mind
23:55:08 mircea_popescu: it may be the worst design i ever heard of
23:56:44 bounce: "house of cards" is still industry best practice. carry on.
23:57:34 justusranvier: On the plus side, this arrangement means I can run Skype in a virtualized sandbox that's far away from my real desktop
23:58:48 BingoBoingo: http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2014/10/sayreville_high_school_football_hazing_parent_reveals_sexual_nature_of_locker_room_ritual_exclusive.html
23:58:48 assbot: Sayreville football parent reveals sexual nature of alleged locker room hazing ritual (Exclusive) | NJ.com