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Transcript for 08-11-2014, 698 lines:

00:01:32 ben_vulpes: c++ is horrible you gusy

00:01:53 thestringpuller: not as bad as COBOL

00:05:03 BingoBoingo: <saifedean> so what do you gentlement do around here? what time are the virgin sacrifices? << Those happen on Reddit

00:07:19 thestringpuller: !up saifedean

00:07:49 jurov: and bitcointalk is cannibalism outright :D

00:08:03 mircea_popescu: <saifedean> science by committee and public grant << totally.

00:08:38 mircea_popescu: <saifedean> i dug up the old phd and can email it to any of you who are interested. not sure it's worth publishing as it's still too academese to interest normals << let me gues, it;s pdf ?

00:10:27 hanbot: *phdf

00:11:30 thestringpuller: ^-cute

00:11:48 mircea_popescu: lol

00:12:21 saifedean: mp, no, it's .doc

00:18:56 mircea_popescu: can it be txt ? http://fraudsters.com/contact-pgp/

00:18:56 assbot: Contact : PGP pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:22:11 saifedean: any idea how to convert it to txt?

00:22:16 mircea_popescu: save as text ?

00:23:00 saifedean: but there's tables and crap... but i guess you don't really need to visualize brazilian ethanol production

00:25:11 saifedean: does .odt work?

00:25:30 saifedean: coz it's kept it in its original shape, i think

00:28:59 mircea_popescu: prolly.

00:30:30 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/maramu/

00:30:31 assbot: Maramu’ pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:33:38 kakobrekla: what happened to blogbot?

00:33:52 mircea_popescu: ;;seen scoopbot

00:33:53 gribble: scoopbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 59 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <scoopbot> New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/trendon-shavers-aka-pirateat40-faces-criminal-fraud-charges/

00:33:56 mircea_popescu: seems a little ded ?

00:35:03 kakobrekla: unserious

00:36:11 jurov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIY << bro got regulated

00:36:11 assbot: Warren G - Regulate ft. Nate Dogg - YouTube

00:36:27 kakobrekla: you mean ded?

00:36:59 mircea_popescu: i dunno, mebbe peterl's server croaked or something

00:37:13 kakobrekla: too much blogs

00:43:58 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

00:44:07 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 342.65, vol: 6821.33490505 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 340.193, vol: 5804.6389 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 342.81, vol: 18288.63504823 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 342.559309, vol: 81792.68580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 347.07869, vol: 4.60293077 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 342.4575, vol: 88.1016204 | Volume-weighted last average: 342.483774367

00:44:35 jurov: ;;bc,stats

00:44:37 gribble: Current Blocks: 329033 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 1590 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 16 hours, 6 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40069273572.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.17567

00:45:04 jurov: !t m x.idiff.dec

00:45:04 assbot: Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?

00:45:14 jurov: thanks assbot

00:47:21 kakobrekla: imma guess your invalid query was intentional

00:48:14 kakobrekla: er, intentionally invalid.

00:51:44 jurov: but where i did a mistake?

00:52:13 jurov: it was not intentional

00:53:13 jurov: i assume assbot forgot everything about x.idiff.dec cuz it's book is empty for months

00:55:50 jurov: mod5, ben_vulpes: i hereby submit a proposal for the foundation's fund to be used for x.idiff marketmaking

00:55:56 jurov: *mod6 ^

00:56:35 jurov: btw, anyone can submit any other proposal. not like it's destined for me to sit on it forever

00:59:47 mircea_popescu: the more you sit on btc the greater the pleasure gets.

01:00:51 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/is-blake-benthall-responsible-for-each-silk-road-2-0-theft/ maybe someone else can dig up some more

01:00:56 cazalla: shit makes my head spin

01:01:14 Azelphur: I'm still sitting on my BTC...just kinda wondering how much further down it's gonna go xD

01:04:02 mircea_popescu: cazalla rabbit hole eh

01:12:54 asciilifeform: 2,987.8 BTC << that might buy a non-retarded implementation of 'onion routing' even.

01:12:58 asciilifeform: possibly, more than once.

01:15:15 mircea_popescu: "The NutFund was a charity set up by Blake Benthall as part of his project on the StartUp Bus and using his own BTC, he donated to his own charity. The NutFund.co website has since been abandoned" <<< heh.

01:15:34 mircea_popescu: dude srsly, guy who supposedly had millions in btc was spending his time doing twobitcentscams ?

01:21:55 kakobrekla: .just kinda wondering how much further down it's gonna go xD < not enough for kako to get a real job

01:21:55 *: kakobrekla already got the barrel ready

01:25:00 jurov: https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10014555_10152359950851431_5775482860020204064_n.jpg?oh=b37d9bfde75d3623331b56ed1a51cd87&oe=54DBDE09&__gda__=1424129398_2ebdf3636125e63daa386194a03e90a9

01:25:06 kakobrekla: does a 'real job' even exists in 2014 ?

01:25:16 jurov: ^ republikflucht

01:25:38 jurov: kakobrekla: plumbing won't fix itself, for example

01:26:22 *: jurov helped dad today installing new dishwasher

01:26:37 mircea_popescu: what's in the barrle ?

01:26:41 kakobrekla: it will if you have enough CaCO3 in your water

01:26:42 asciilifeform: holes.

01:27:03 *: asciilifeform rather curious what kakobrekla meant by 'real job'

01:27:39 kakobrekla: idk, something that is reliable and not sucking dicks

01:28:34 mircea_popescu: but you like sucking dicks

01:29:15 BingoBoingo: If BTC goes down too much there's still African Somalia

01:29:35 jurov: poor kako

01:29:43 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu if its your saliva on em

01:30:01 *: jurov exposes his dick to mircea_popescu to spit on

01:30:34 kakobrekla: you also have 500km cock for long distance relationships?

01:31:02 jurov: no, mircea has long distance spits

01:31:21 kakobrekla: yeah but my somalia is better than your somalia

01:31:38 jurov: urmom

01:31:50 kakobrekla: damn you win :(

01:31:59 mod6: jurov: My vote is that you simply hold the Foundation's BTC.

01:32:42 mod6: If and when we ever decide to utilize those funds, we'll let you know.

01:33:01 jurov: but you do receive proposals, no?

01:33:44 kakobrekla: anyway, at this btcusd and current life style, i have 20-30 years to find a real job

01:33:52 kakobrekla: if inflation doesnt get me

01:34:20 kakobrekla: fingers crossed

01:34:59 kakobrekla: also barrel ready.

01:34:59 mircea_popescu: well by then you'll be too old to work anyway, so.

01:35:15 asciilifeform: the king could die, the horse could die.

01:36:02 kakobrekla: actually

01:36:08 kakobrekla: that the only certain thing.

01:36:10 mod6: jurov: None so far that I know of, other than perhaps a bounty or something for testers as suggested by ben_vulpes.

01:36:27 kakobrekla: the king will die, the horse will die.

01:36:28 mircea_popescu: jurov spits, as in roasting spits ?

01:36:48 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the horse could fall in love with the king...

01:37:00 jurov: ;;ud roasting spit

01:37:00 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spit+roast | Verb: to spit roast. A sexual activity involving 3 people, two active males and one passive (male or female). Man 1 pentrates person 2 from the rear (anal or ...

01:37:02 kakobrekla: or in the pit

01:37:07 jurov: ahh

01:37:07 mod6: But I'll be rejecting these outright unless they directly impact, positivly, the development of the reference implementation.

01:37:25 jurov: bounty on someone's head, well, i can certainly think of someone

01:37:35 mircea_popescu: jurov lol it just means a metal rod you roast on. it's the roasting spit.

01:38:29 *: asciilifeform saw 'bounty', handled interrupt, went back to sleep

01:39:06 jurov: asciilifeform you have interrupts wired in even while sleeping?

01:39:24 asciilifeform: s/sleep/other console

01:43:47 kakobrekla: its all world of warcraft swords and hats to you anyway

01:45:29 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ?

01:45:35 *: asciilifeform innocent of 'world of w'

01:45:43 kakobrekla: me as well

01:46:04 kakobrekla: replace with 'useless bytes'

01:46:25 asciilifeform: bounty?

01:46:30 kakobrekla: btc

01:46:25 asciilifeform: bounty?

01:46:48 kakobrekla: ah

01:47:10 asciilifeform: 1 N of thrust - fall down; 2000 N - and escape from prison planet.

01:47:40 asciilifeform: (as discussed at least once before)

01:48:08 kakobrekla: k. i wont get into it. ever. again.

01:48:34 kakobrekla: should be again ever really, ever again doesnt make sense

01:49:30 asciilifeform: back to interrupt: did i miss something? someone offered bounty?

01:49:41 *: asciilifeform reads log

01:50:04 mircea_popescu: dawg, just make those cardanos so we can sell em and that's it, let some other unfortunate soul extract himself with bountee.

01:51:43 *: asciilifeform goes back to wurk

01:58:56 kakobrekla: but is it a 'real job' ?

01:49:41 *: asciilifeform reads log

02:01:52 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/loldoxbin/status/530893580429447168

02:01:55 assbot: Minor update: The main onion and my totally non-illegal personal onion have both been serving up the seizure image as of a couple hours ago

02:01:55 assbot: Minor update: The main onion and my totally non-illegal personal onion have both been serving up the seizure image as of a couple hours ago

02:04:48 kakobrekla: at which point is the request routed to show 'seizure image' instead of the intended destination?

02:06:01 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah you like noise it up!

02:07:50 mircea_popescu: !up kakobrekla

02:08:03 mircea_popescu: that's ok, we like you anyway.

02:08:04 *: BingoBoingo thinks kako needs to speak as assbot more often. Every barrel needs a bung.

02:08:15 mircea_popescu: http://ask.fm/Mircea_Popescu/answer/122124012424 <

02:11:59 kakobrekla: still open routing question

02:12:47 mircea_popescu: im honing my "answering without answering" skills

02:13:46 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sgornick pong.

02:13:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:14:19 kakobrekla: arent you all tor sex pets there

02:14:21 kakobrekla: here

02:17:36 kakobrekla: i see our little cant count for shit friend dropped 850mbps of bs on the lawgs

02:22:44 kakobrekla: its nice to know you have real fans.

02:28:36 *: asciilifeform shudders, imagining 'tor sex pets'

02:29:30 kakobrekla: experts, sex pets ... not much of a difference

02:37:10 asciilifeform: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/7/7/2 << death to shitgnomes.

02:37:10 assbot: LKML: Lv Zheng: [PATCH v2 7/7] ACPI: Add support to force header inclusion rules for <acpi/acpi.h>.

02:37:39 asciilifeform: !flondor Lv Zheng <lv.zheng@intel.com>

02:37:47 asciilifeform: ^ feature req.

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02:38:59 BingoBoingo: !b 2

02:39:37 kakobrekla: to what effect asciilifeform ?

02:40:09 asciilifeform: i'll leave the effect to the future.

02:40:35 ben_vulpes: <jurov> mod5, ben_vulpes: i hereby submit a proposal for the foundation's fund to be used for x.idiff marketmaking << lol no but good try

02:41:39 mircea_popescu: dude i think kako drunk for like the first time in his life

02:42:58 kakobrekla: nate dogg regulates. kako emulates.

02:43:28 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> i see our little cant count for shit friend dropped 850mbps of bs on the lawgs << was about 750 on qntra earlier too

02:43:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could prolly execute a formal deed.

02:45:37 asciilifeform: eh.

02:48:58 decimation: This Lv guy writes in something other than English

02:50:17 asciilifeform: decimation: short version. as witnessed by what he did - he's one of those bipedal turds who 'fixes' something solely from desire to smear some of himself over surroundings

02:50:18 decimation: asciilifeform: I learned about the 'tardation of SMI interrupts today

02:50:41 asciilifeform: his 'force inclusion' thing broke a number of essentials on my portable (battery monitoring, etc)

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02:51:17 BingoBoingo: !b 3

02:51:43 decimation: that is depressing

02:52:02 asciilifeform: but individual pieces of garbage aside, i fucking hate the entire ecosystem

02:52:13 asciilifeform: where some pissant thing can be 'depended on' and break the world.

02:52:41 asciilifeform: and each pissant gizmo under the control of a separate human pissant, naturally

02:52:48 decimation: asciilifeform: really this is about broken hardware

02:52:55 asciilifeform: it is about broken everything.

02:54:28 decimation: the smi thing is similar, depending on what hardware you are using, the bios literally steals cpu to use it to maintain temps, fan speeds, etc

02:54:38 asciilifeform: decimation: this dates from 486 up.

02:54:41 decimation: as if this couldn't be done with a $0.1 microcontroller

02:55:08 asciilifeform: decimation: $0.1 micro doesn't have access to video ram to display the 'volume control bar' etc.

02:55:16 decimation: how does one write an 'adult os' on hardware that randomly isn't responsive?

02:55:49 decimation: yeah, everything is a cheapss shitbox

02:56:05 decimation: the thing is, 'better gear' isn't available for any sum

02:56:22 decimation: For instance, the other day I was looking to see if anyone provided specs for the cpu clock

02:56:30 decimation: none. all you can buy is shitty resonator

03:01:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/11/07/army_command_policy_language_problems_briefly_says_negro_acceptable_term.html

03:02:21 decimation: it's like discovering that the only meat available in the entire world is mcdonalds 'meat' and then realizing that apparently nobody cares

03:03:24 asciilifeform: decimation: aha.

03:04:51 asciilifeform: '?I am 95 percent certain that they performed a massive de-anonymization attack on Tor hidden servers and were able to shut down all their targeted servers in the U.S., Europe or anywhere else where U.S. law has meaning,? said Nicholas Weaver, a computer science researcher at the University of California, Berkeley.'

03:06:40 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/authorities-worldwide-strike-internets-black-market/2014/11/07/8cac8ef0-66b9-11e4-bb14-4cfea1e742d5_story.html

03:08:16 decimation: asciilifeform: there are hints about what is done for 'adult systems': http://doc.ntp.org/4.2.6/drivers/driver22.html "A scenario where the latter behavior can be most useful is a planetary orbiter fleet, for instance in the vicinity of Mars, where contact between orbiters and Earth only one or two times per Sol (Mars day). These orbiters have a precise timing reference based on an Ultra Stable Oscillator (USO) with accuracy in the

03:08:19 decimation: order of a Cesium oscillator. A PPS signal is derived from the USO and can be disciplined from Earth on rare occasion or from another orbiter via NTP. "

03:09:14 asciilifeform: decimation: you gotta be joking:

03:09:29 asciilifeform: actual orbiter where the timing really matters, won't have a unix box in the loop.

03:09:32 asciilifeform: custom circuit.

03:09:38 decimation: precisely

03:09:53 decimation: apparently whatever it is, it runs ntp

03:10:01 asciilifeform: well, plug into ntp

03:10:22 decimation: that's good for microseconds, what if you want to have low jitter down to nanoseconds?

03:10:29 asciilifeform: then - gate-level.

03:10:37 decimation: precisely

03:10:59 decimation: apparently there's no demand, except they sell thousands of gps-derived ntp clocks

03:11:21 decimation: why would you glom your clock circuit onto a peripheral instead of making it a central feature?

03:12:44 asciilifeform: decimation: there is demand.

03:12:50 asciilifeform: just as there is demand for a correct 'bitcoind.'

03:13:01 asciilifeform: but 'caviar taste with a pizza face.'

03:13:23 decimation: what about bitcoind on an asic?

03:13:33 asciilifeform: ditto

03:17:23 decimation: asciilifeform: do I detect a subtle stab at Stalin for his meddling with Stierlitz's orders?

03:17:32 decimation: ie giving him an impossible mission

03:17:52 asciilifeform: meant to be ambiguous

03:30:20 BingoBoingo: !up saifedean

03:30:21 decimation: !up saifedean

03:46:59 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> where some pissant thing can be 'depended on' and break the world. << the "dependency" system is stupid and should go away.

03:47:04 mircea_popescu: no further "dependencies".

03:48:48 asciilifeform: well, in this case, the turdependency was... in the kernel.

03:51:07 mircea_popescu: <decimation> what about bitcoind on an asic? << yeah, but only after you actually got a book can you print a chip

03:51:18 decimation: indeed

03:51:36 decimation: unlike intel, the spec should be published before the turd is made

03:51:40 asciilifeform: 1) book 2) comprehend 3) re-create sanely 4) nice things

03:51:56 kakobrekla: can you print a chip < but cant check it

03:52:32 BingoBoingo: What about all of those brave people who unprinted NES chips to get the emulators right?

03:53:07 decimation: chips can be reversed, but only after a long and painful process

03:53:55 decimation: nevertheless, once this bitcoin thing does its thing to the financial world, these things will come (the bitcoind chip)

03:54:25 asciilifeform: decimation: 'if things go on', it'll resemble the 'clipper chip.'

03:54:31 BingoBoingo: Actual computer might be worth the space to house it in a shipping container in the yard

03:55:40 mircea_popescu: decimation pre-bitcoin i was wondering on my blog why no mysql chip

03:56:17 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=37 << obligospam

03:56:18 assbot: Loper OS » The Hardware Culture, or: What They Build, Works! Can We Say the Same?

03:56:20 BingoBoingo: httpd as expansion card

03:56:42 asciilifeform: (2009)

03:57:06 decimation: in the mainframe does it was considered quite ordinary to 'spin off' specialized tasks to specialized hardware

03:57:46 asciilifeform: all i really need in terms of hardware - is an fpga which isn't a turd.

03:58:00 asciilifeform: unfortunately this cannot be had for any price short of funding its r&d from ore.

03:58:25 decimation: asciilifeform: not quite, if you had the $$ you could get TSMC or whoever to mint one

03:58:40 decimation: but we are talking $bn

03:59:03 mircea_popescu: i am confident asciilifeform can make his own fpga

03:59:05 asciilifeform: add a few $bn for military discouragement of molestation by currently invested parties.

03:59:06 mircea_popescu: on his own lathe

03:59:08 mircea_popescu: that he made.

03:59:31 decimation: eh, I don't buy the omnipresent usg thesis

03:59:36 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> add a few $bn for military discouragement of molestation by currently invested parties. << Data centers with no safe disconnect distance

03:59:49 asciilifeform: any country that obeys u.s. patent hegemony - not a market for the product, at least, not above ground.

04:00:04 decimation: if usg can manipulate electronics, why did it allow electronics to flee to china?

04:00:07 asciilifeform: it'll be interdicted and burned at the border.

04:00:11 asciilifeform: like those poor yellow voltmeters.

04:00:14 decimation: eh that's for lawyers to argue

04:00:28 decimation: presumably $bn requires $lawyer to defend it

04:01:16 BingoBoingo: <decimation> if usg can manipulate electronics, why did it allow electronics to flee to china? << US never surrendered all of its foundries. IBM sale is getting a National Security review for a reason

04:01:28 decimation: wishful thinking

04:01:51 mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.

04:02:19 decimation: usg wanting to maintain the last little vestige of us ic-printing is a different thing than usg deciding electronics

04:10:44 decimation: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/forms-documents/doc_view/73-u-s-integrated-circuit-design-and-fabrication-capability-2009 << "Fabrication companies were asked to report on their fabrication capabilities for the 2003 – 2006 period. The 49 companies that reported data operated more than 90 fabrication facilities in the United States in 2006 that were capable of making conventional IC products. Almost all of these companies (45),

04:10:47 decimation: can manufacture IC products with technology nodes between 10,000 nanometers (nm) and 250 nm. Approximately half of the companies (22) can make ICs in the United States with technology nodes from 250 nm - 65 nm. A significantly smaller number of firms, six, can make IC products at dimensions below 65 nm, and just three of them have commercial-volume capability for 45 nm and 32 nm dimensions."

04:14:40 kakobrekla: 250nm still in use today?

04:14:55 decimation: well, this document is 8 years old

04:15:36 mircea_popescu: 10k nm.

04:15:42 mircea_popescu: practically half a nautical mile.

04:15:54 asciilifeform: let's ask different question.

04:16:02 decimation: the trouble is, chip fabs are expensive as fuck, so there's not much money in keeping old ones alive

04:16:17 asciilifeform: how many ic fabs on planet 3 that -don't- use u.s.-authored 1) synthesis tools 2) cell libs

04:16:43 decimation: it's true that the design turdware is a serious problem

04:19:16 mircea_popescu: http://www.overnightgeekuniversity.com/an-open-letter-to-teens-who-use-ask-fm-read-post-share/ <<< check out all the massive hate.

04:19:19 assbot: OvernightGeek University : | An Open Letter to Teens Who Use Ask.fm; Read, Post, & Share

04:19:27 mircea_popescu: basically brigading has become the sole us policy on the internets.

04:19:51 mircea_popescu: "o we are numerous, and that makes our stupidity pale in importance!"

04:22:50 *: asciilifeform misread as 'overshare university'

04:24:26 mircea_popescu: i misread as "overweight"

04:24:34 asciilifeform: l0l

04:25:00 decimation: lol " You see other kids all over the world committing suicide or at the very minimum getting their feelings hurt on this totally unnecessary platform."

04:25:13 decimation: oh no, some kids have their feelings hurt! call the waamulance?

04:25:36 asciilifeform: covert trollspam by vendor. no actual living this is this stupid.

04:25:52 mircea_popescu: decimation the thing is, it's a late comer to the stupid game, roughly a twitter ripoff with better interface.

04:26:09 mircea_popescu: except the owners happen to not be bezzle-rooted, some dudes in latvia rather than san fran.

04:26:13 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> covert trollspam by vendor. no actual living this is this stupid. << Indeed. Deer backed off and did not challenge my car this morning.

04:26:36 mircea_popescu: they have 200mn users, which is downright fucking criminal. i don't for a second believe that this huge push is anything to do with "suicides".

04:26:38 punkbot: [trust-update] added: menahem

04:26:52 mircea_popescu: somehow pharma killing 7 people per 200 million is not noteworthy.

04:27:11 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot menahem

04:27:12 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user menahem: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=menahem | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=menahem | Rated since: Fri Nov 7 17:30:52 2014

04:27:26 hanbot: mircea_popescu pharma spends money on pretending to care

04:27:27 decimation: https://www.afsp.org/understanding-suicide/facts-and-figures << From 1986 to 2000, suicide rates in the U.S. dropped from 12.5 to 10.4 suicide deaths per 100,000 people in the population.

04:27:28 assbot: Facts and Figures

04:27:39 hanbot: ask.fm forgot to pay off the carecops, s'all.

04:27:48 asciilifeform: ^

04:27:48 mircea_popescu: hanbot myeah. maybe that's the explanation.

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04:27:48 BingoBoingo: !b 1

04:27:58 BingoBoingo: Damn, Bash sniped

04:28:30 mircea_popescu: decimation think about it, a userbase of 200mn implies no less than 20k suicides.

04:28:43 mircea_popescu: for that matter, tons of people use facebook and kill themselves. but that's not a news item.

04:29:09 decimation: indeed

04:29:29 asciilifeform: the magic elixir of making idiots fellate their pistols - is not yet discovered.

04:29:36 decimation: just like for the first iraq war, it was statistically safer for a young male to be in iraq than in the us

04:29:51 mircea_popescu: decimation a young male in that demographic :)

04:29:59 mircea_popescu: army grunts are not exactly rich boys back home.

04:30:22 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the magic elixir of making idiots fellate their pistols - is not yet discovered. << But in Usia if you fail to make the pistol cum they take it away so you can't learn to succeed

04:30:27 decimation: actually I suspect the main cause of death in that demographic is auto accidents

04:30:31 decimation: no car, no death

04:30:38 mircea_popescu: i thought it was gangland warfare.

04:30:54 decimation: nah, that's only a thousand a year or so

04:31:03 BingoBoingo: No, it's auto accidents, with Opiate overdoses gaining groung

04:31:11 mircea_popescu: aha.

04:31:24 mircea_popescu: decimation but wait. imo the demo is about 10mn or so.

04:31:25 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i thought it was gangland warfare. << Most of these survive

04:31:40 mircea_popescu: you telling me 1k deaths in gangstarism is less than whatever car crashes claim ?

04:31:41 decimation: http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4863 << "The U.S. homicide rate declined by nearly half (49%), from 9.3 homicides per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1992 to 4.7 in 2011, falling to the lowest level since 1963. From 2002 to 2011, the average homicide rate for males was 3.6 times higher than the rate for females. The average homicide rate for blacks was 6.3 times higher than the rate for whites."

04:31:55 mircea_popescu: decimation this is washed data.

04:32:03 mircea_popescu: few 90 or 9 year olds die in homicides.

04:32:08 mircea_popescu: it's usually a black male teenager.

04:32:39 decimation: http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/state-by-state-overview <<"There were 30,800 fatal motor vehicle crashes in the United States in 2012 in which 33,561 deaths occurred. This resulted in national motor vehicle crash death rates of 10.7 deaths per 100,000 people and 1.14 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles traveled. "

04:32:41 assbot: Fatality Facts

04:32:53 mircea_popescu: In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes (30,296 fatal crashes)

04:33:02 decimation: of course this isn't broken by demographic

04:33:03 mircea_popescu: ok looksy : 30k deaths from auto accidents on a 300mn population

04:33:10 asciilifeform: i still can't fathom who could possibly think that general-population death statistics apply to him personally.

04:33:13 mircea_popescu: 1k deaths from gang warfare on a 10mn population

04:33:16 mircea_popescu: i have a leg to stand on!

04:33:27 decimation: yeah I guess that are comparable

04:33:39 mircea_popescu: if you let me frame it like that, aaaaalmost.

04:33:40 asciilifeform: most people understand that, if they are not a parachutist, their chance of death from unopened parachute is exactly zero.

04:33:47 asciilifeform: but somehow babies keeling over - matter.

04:33:49 asciilifeform: go figure.

04:34:00 decimation: asciilifeform: but I walk in cities and drive a car

04:34:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if you're not an urine spear thrower, what's your chances ?

04:34:19 mircea_popescu: http://message.snopes.com/photos/airplane/graphics/frozenurine.jpg

04:34:41 mircea_popescu: how about that canadian woman a satellite found in the fucking white wastes ?

04:34:52 BingoBoingo: Washington, D.C. October 7, 2013 - Illinois has the 12th lowest drug overdose mortality rate in the United States, with 10 per 100,000 people suffering drug overdose fatalities, according to a new report, Prescription Drug Abuse: Strategies to Stop the Epidemic. << http://healthyamericans.org/reports/drugabuse2013/release.php?stateid=IL

04:34:52 assbot: Drug Abuse 2013 data for Illinois

04:35:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check it out, suspiciously close to suicide rate.

04:36:19 BingoBoingo: Yeah. BUt the overdoses in Illinois usually don't count as suicides in the courts.

04:36:39 mircea_popescu: accidental ?

04:36:54 BingoBoingo: homicide if the can find the merchant

04:37:01 mircea_popescu: scandalous.

04:37:11 BingoBoingo: or if bystanders are insufficiently charitable

04:37:56 BingoBoingo: Fairly recent development 2010-2013 this one started

04:38:42 decimation: BingoBoingo: if you read last psychiatrist, the best explanation is that all of the druggies in chicago are 'legit'

04:38:53 mircea_popescu: basically it's a free "oppress those druggies" card.

04:39:03 mircea_popescu: who's gonna be around ? undesirables. fuck em.

04:39:59 BingoBoingo: I really dunno to much about Chicago. Other end of the state represent! Still we got Quinn out of the Governor's mansion before he could be charged breaking Illinois tradition.

04:41:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.paladin-press.com/product/The_Armed-Citizen_Solution_to_Crime_In_the_Streets

04:41:41 assbot: The Armed-Citizen Solution to Crime in the Streets;by Mack Tanner,So Many Criminals, So Few Bullets

04:43:20 BingoBoingo: ^ actual book

04:49:02 BingoBoingo: For all of the low traction sports bets on BitBet at least this entirely predictable outcome didn't hit the Market. https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/530926264668786689

04:49:05 assbot: Gold AND Platinum! Congrats to /Yadimolina04 on winning his 3rd /hashtag/PlatinumGlove?src=hash for best defensive player in the NL! http://t.co/5XO2awwHSs

04:56:24 mircea_popescu: heh

04:57:41 BingoBoingo: !s molina

04:57:42 assbot: 7 results for 'molina' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=molina

04:58:48 *: BingoBoingo is Disappoint Matheney hasn't been shitcanned yet for haiting pr0n

05:03:28 asciilifeform: walk in cities and drive a car << iirc, in usa this gives an otherwise-immortal fellow about 500 years 'MTBF'.

05:03:55 asciilifeform: (given an eternal - or at least 'thousand-year' reich, naturally)

05:04:15 asciilifeform: !s millimort

05:04:16 assbot: 0 results for 'millimort' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=millimort

05:04:40 mircea_popescu: odd, i recall this being discussed

05:04:44 asciilifeform: aha

05:04:47 asciilifeform: where is it

05:04:51 mircea_popescu: !s micromort

05:04:52 assbot: 15 results for 'micromort' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=micromort

05:05:02 asciilifeform: there we go.

05:05:32 asciilifeform: e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2014#552521

05:05:32 assbot: Logged on 09-03-2014 02:50:58; asciilifeform: chetty_: russian roulette, ~143,000 micromorts.

05:08:41 decimation: asciilifeform: we humans are bad at judging small risk

05:09:04 asciilifeform: what, precisely, are 'we' good at judging ?

05:09:19 decimation: when our stomachs need filling

05:21:41 BingoBoingo: <decimation> when our stomachs need filling << I dunno, have you seen youtube?

05:40:59 mircea_popescu: we're excellent at judging which hole.

05:46:28 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/d1a5dbe10614c94cf9eecfa652ab1e4c/tumblr_nebldauiD81tlnaoto1_500.jpg << worst puppy.

05:48:46 BingoBoingo: Is that a preemie or an abortus?

05:49:06 BingoBoingo: I mean you never know what gets taxidermy anymore

05:49:12 mircea_popescu: yeah

05:56:41 []bot: Bet created: "Russian Ruble to collapse to 60 RUB or more per USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/1066/

06:13:14 decimation: asciilifeform: wouldn't our immortal-with-a-weakness face even chances of death in 5000 years (assuming 10 in 100000 accident deaths)

06:14:17 BingoBoingo: Bittorrent is a weird game

06:19:30 BingoBoingo: Bittorrent has to be the worst place to go to download the classics, if only it wasn't the only place

06:23:50 BingoBoingo: Lol phishing http://dpaste.com/10N9A33 << cazalla mircea_popescu

06:23:51 assbot: dpaste: 10N9A33

06:24:39 cazalla: BingoBoingo, legit actually, i make backups with cpanel which makes some 100mb archive but i didn't delete em

06:24:59 BingoBoingo: Sh....

06:25:20 cazalla: and your email is listed as the contact for when a backup is complete, i do em manually by ftp and phpmyadmin too

06:29:14 BingoBoingo: The thing is... Other my email is listed. Looks more like spear fisherman.

06:33:52 BingoBoingo: Well, wasn't five zero two

06:41:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00059963 = 4.9769 BTC [-]

07:03:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00059963 = 13.5816 BTC [-]

07:19:43 bounce: ``Andrew Lewman, executive director of the Tor Project, which runs the service, said in an e-mail that it does not condone its use for illegal purposes and that it was unclear how authorities discovered the operators of the illicit sites.'' -- yet even the usg promotes its use to explicitly break the law in other countries. funny how that works.

07:22:04 BingoBoingo: Sounds a lot like the definition of terrorism

07:22:21 bounce: http://threatpost.com/digicert-considering-certs-for-hidden-services-beyond-facebook/109222 << facebook the gold standard of .onion certificate assurance now.

07:22:24 assbot: DigiCert Considering Certs for Hidden Services | Threatpost | The first stop for security news

07:22:49 *: BingoBoingo wonders why rare bittorrents suck so hard

07:27:44 dignork: bounce: proposition of CA issued cert for tor hidden service still puzzles me, next stop - yellow pages for black market vendors

07:30:25 punkman: hidden service is supposed to provide end to end encryption , isn't it

07:31:26 BingoBoingo: dignork: Yellow pages might not be so bad.

07:31:53 BingoBoingo: punkbot: Well, remember that Debian bug circa 2006

07:34:12 dignork: punkman: yes, but in theory signed ssl cert provides some identity validation. Although the same can be achieved by gpg signed .onion address.

07:34:17 bounce: the onion address is governed by a private key, so no real chance of impersonation -- as long as you check the complete onion address

07:35:46 punkman: I wonder how many machines they used to find the vanity .onion

07:35:49 bounce: so the problem they're trying to solve by throwing a threadbare industry best current practice at it is to add some special "it's us, honest!"-sauce to link facebook.com and $facebook.onion

07:36:00 BingoBoingo: But... OMGWTFBBQ.509 is not a WOT

07:36:43 bounce: ... and do so in a way that makes your browser bar turn a nice comforting colour

07:39:52 BingoBoingo: Honestly the default "comforting colors seem as shady as fuck

07:41:20 *: BingoBoingo wonders why paladin press torrents are such shitty downloads, wishes for a Paladin Press takeover by S.QNTR, eventually

07:41:27 bounce: the whole industry is made out of "well we needed to do something, so we made up this thing. now everybody must do this thing, too.", starting with the CA root certs

07:42:01 BingoBoingo: <bounce> the whole industry is made out of "well we needed to do something, so we made up this thing. now everybody must do this thing, too.", starting with the CA root certs << Well, hookers invented something

07:43:32 *: BingoBoingo appologizes, had no idea bittorrent was so slow in the event a person wants to download something the slightest bit interesting

07:52:42 BingoBoingo: So how sad is it that "planet of the apes" is the most probabale failure mode for homo erectus descendants

08:25:40 cazalla: very little news around, read this http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18000/bitcoin-is-teaching-realism-to-libertarians-an-interview-with-old-school-cypherpunk-vinay-gupta/ .. where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before?

08:25:40 assbot: ‘Bitcoin is Teaching Realism to Libertarians': An Interview With Old-School Cypherpunk Vinay Gupta

10:54:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0005999 = 13.8577 BTC [+]

11:00:00 jurov: ;;isup bitbet.com

11:00:01 gribble: bitbet.com is up

11:00:12 jurov: ;;isup bitbet.us

11:00:15 gribble: bitbet.us is down

11:19:56 jurov: http://lcamtuf.blogspot.sk/2014/11/pulling-jpegs-out-of-thin-air.html didn't know this is possible

11:19:56 assbot: lcamtuf's blog: Pulling JPEGs out of thin air

11:20:33 jurov: likely it won't figure crypto in any reasonable timeframe, but otherwise..hmmm

11:23:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00059889 = 11.6484 BTC [-]

11:52:53 thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

11:52:53 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059889 / 0.00062408 / 0.00068112 (613140 shares, 382.65 BTC), 7D: 0.00059889 / 0.00071975 / 0.00079259 (3534752 shares, 2,544.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059889 / 0.0007431 / 0.00081111 (24039298 shares, 17,863.80 BTC)

11:53:03 thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr

11:53:04 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013704 / 0.00015 (4111 shares, 0.56 BTC)

11:53:14 thestringpuller: !mpif

11:54:14 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00000000 B (Total: 0.00 B). Delta: 0.00 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]

11:57:06 thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

11:57:06 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00059889 / 0.00062408 / 0.00068112 (613140 shares, 382.65 BTC), 7D: 0.00059889 / 0.00071975 / 0.00079259 (3534752 shares, 2,544.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00059889 / 0.0007431 / 0.00081111 (24039298 shares, 17,863.80 BTC)

13:07:14 Adlai: jurov: likely it won't figure crypto in any reasonable timeframe << "figure"?

13:07:31 jurov: i meant "figure out"

13:08:31 Adlai: looking at how afl works, it seems to have zero effectiveness for [good] crypto

13:08:50 Adlai: it's only useful for this jpeg nonsense because it's able to "evolve" the format due to early branches in djpeg

13:10:14 Adlai: http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/afl_demo/jpeg/full/

13:10:27 Adlai: no assbot don't... shit, too late

13:11:23 *: jurov rolls eyes

13:15:59 Adlai: on the other hand, http://lcamtuf.blogspot.co.il/2014/10/bash-bug-how-we-finally-cracked.html

13:15:59 assbot: lcamtuf's blog: Bash bug: the other two RCEs, or how we chipped away at the original fix (CVE-2014-6277 and '78)

14:21:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14638 @ 0.00059889 = 8.7666 BTC [-]

14:59:56 scoopbot: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/08/why-government-funded-research-is-totally-fucking-borked/

15:01:55 PeterL: ;;later tell pete_dushenski sorry about missing your blog, looks like scoopbot crashed before you posted it

15:01:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:27:25 mircea_popescu: goood mornin'.

16:28:01 jurov: hello

16:34:01 xanthyos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B17q4rRIgAA1OUb.jpg

16:35:16 mircea_popescu: lol

16:37:45 jurov: rofl

16:45:16 jurov: !up HFSPLUS

16:45:26 HFSPLUS: whats up everyone?

16:45:48 EXT4: yo

16:45:53 jurov: mopst are afk today

16:45:57 jurov: hi reiser4

16:46:41 EXT4: lol murderfs hans reiser is in jaul

16:46:45 EXT4: !s hans reiser

16:46:46 assbot: 0 results for 'hans reiser' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hans+reiser

16:48:06 jurov: we dont mention him by full name

16:48:17 jurov: and next time read teh rules

16:58:42 jurov: !up DreadKnight

17:16:20 mircea_popescu: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/HVGxdJ0m

17:16:20 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com

17:16:21 punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

17:16:35 mircea_popescu: mpex corps will announce wtf to do with this at the end of the month.

17:16:43 mircea_popescu: cazalla pls to gazette

17:20:09 jurov: quite a bombshell, the past para

17:20:52 mircea_popescu: these things always are :)

17:20:52 jurov: *last

17:27:19 bounce: needs more fmt(1)

17:27:37 mircea_popescu: lolwut ?

17:28:10 mircea_popescu: i write my shit by hand!

17:29:14 mircea_popescu: (your browser should have a fit-to-screen option. and generally, formatting should be done locally not fucking up the document with spuriousness)

17:29:43 punkbot: Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15W7cVuz

17:30:52 *: bounce disagrees. 80 cols for the ages.

17:30:53 jurov: well, everyone is lazy and just throws text into <pre>

17:31:17 jurov: let the browser format the text and offer raw text for download

17:32:46 mircea_popescu: bounce i hate nothing more than downloading a "text" document and instead getting a "text+markup that's identical to text and only works on obsolete machinery anyway"

17:33:18 jurov: yes, hard-pre-wrapped text is hard to work with

17:33:22 mircea_popescu: then i have to run it through complex fucking awk to make it sane again

17:38:35 punkbot: Confirmed bundle 15W7cVuzjXHvVqw6vcySq6jr9qq8Kv9SCH | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/15W7cVuz

17:41:30 *: bounce has awk to put the overly long lines into something comfortably readable. screens may get bigger and bigger, but the comfy line length doesn't change

17:42:05 jurov: just resize the window?

17:42:15 mircea_popescu: and is magically the same for everyone ?

17:42:19 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i think i read about 110

17:42:26 mircea_popescu: may be related to what books one grew up reading.

17:42:28 jurov: on portable device, one may leed less than 80

17:42:35 mircea_popescu: usually yes.

17:48:25 mircea_popescu: bounce in any case, consider that putting a \n every 80th character is a lot easier than extracting spurious \ns

17:49:12 bounce: oh I don't know that. if the lines get long enough things get "interesting" in a hurry

17:49:31 bounce: smtp and 998 characters, for example

17:50:03 mircea_popescu: its still buggy ?!

17:55:16 jurov: irc and 400 characters :D

17:56:55 mircea_popescu: 123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789a123456789b12

17:56:55 mircea_popescu: 3456789c123456789d123456789e

17:57:21 mircea_popescu: 423 ?

17:57:56 bounce: 510 actually, but including :you@your.host.whatever PRIVMSG #channel

17:58:27 mircea_popescu: ah yes.

17:59:10 mircea_popescu: i imagine ba-ircd will use 1024 or something.

17:59:13 mircea_popescu: this is a little narrow.

18:02:59 jurov: i supported 4096B http headers in ziproxy

18:03:03 jurov: users bitched

18:03:11 jurov: it ended up 4M

18:04:04 bounce: per line? that sounds a little excessive.

18:04:21 mircea_popescu: http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/contact.html ?

18:04:21 assbot: Ziproxy - Contact

18:04:26 jurov: yes that

18:05:21 jurov: but twas 10 years ago, it has new maintainer since

18:05:34 mircea_popescu: aha

18:09:35 jurov: iirc some sites sent insane megabyte cookies

18:10:21 mircea_popescu: those sites not functioning sounds like a blessing.

18:20:16 ben_vulpes: jurov: https://code.google.com/p/american-fuzzy-lop/ << fascinating

18:20:17 assbot: american-fuzzy-lop - A practical, instrumentation-driven fuzzer for binary formats - Google Project Hosting

18:23:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: The thing is... Other my email is listed. Looks more like spear fisherman. << nah actually looks legit.

18:24:24 mircea_popescu: dignork: bounce: proposition of CA issued cert for tor hidden service still puzzles me, next stop - yellow pages for black market vendors << nah, it's quite obvious, BingoBoingo has it : us sponsored terrorism.

18:24:33 mircea_popescu: "those people's laws aren't really laws, our laws are really laws".

18:25:31 mircea_popescu: bounce: ... and do so in a way that makes your browser bar turn a nice comforting colour << that.

18:26:44 mircea_popescu: cazalla: where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before? << heh. and they mention it, too, because they're cultured and stuff. o.O

18:28:30 mircea_popescu: jurov: and next time read teh rules << uh what'd i miss ?

18:28:56 jurov: i think he got devoiced due to nick changes

18:30:06 mircea_popescu: a

18:32:26 ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets is best alternate reality game

18:32:36 xanthyos: heh

18:32:44 kakobrekla: also best shell

18:33:09 mircea_popescu: yea srsly.

18:33:21 ben_vulpes: #!/irc/#bitcoin-assets

18:34:30 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: why do you put a space before semicolons?

18:34:40 ben_vulpes: and colons?

18:34:55 mircea_popescu: for visibility.

18:35:09 mircea_popescu: (and question marks)

18:37:46 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/HVGxdJ0m << historic

18:37:46 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com

18:38:12 mircea_popescu: o hai asciilifeform

18:38:45 asciilifeform: where do i 'hancock'

18:39:08 mircea_popescu: well, sign the text put it in the deeds

18:39:13 asciilifeform: gotta sign, so we 'all hang together or separately' (as, i think, were the words of the americans.)

18:39:31 ben_vulpes: .deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4GSHjhrw

18:39:32 punkbot: ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

18:40:05 ben_vulpes: my own execution warrant.

18:40:19 mircea_popescu: lol, hey, gotta go somehow.

18:40:24 mircea_popescu: better than a car crash.

18:41:54 asciilifeform: .deed http://pastebin.com/Ty0YMXU6

18:41:54 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION OF - Pastebin.com

18:41:54 punkbot: asciilifeform: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

18:49:15 mircea_popescu: sooo where are these nude photos of Miss Teen USA 2013 ?

18:49:53 punkbot: Bundled 2 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1HAMmA7Z

18:51:32 ben_vulpes: perhaps some bezzletrons will satisfy? http://twicsy.com/i/r84UNf

18:51:33 assbot: _lauradfbennett : Re-united with my bezzletrons http://t.co/yMXHkT5m5q | Twicsy - Twitter Picture Discovery

18:52:56 mircea_popescu: da fuck is that ?

18:57:02 *: ben_vulpes shrugs

18:59:16 chetty: is there a crib sheet somewhere on using the deed thingy?

19:00:01 ben_vulpes: .h

19:00:04 ben_vulpes: .help

19:00:04 punkbot: ben_vulpes: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.

19:00:10 ben_vulpes: .help deed

19:00:10 punkbot: ben_vulpes: (deed [url]) -- the bot will search [url] for signed deeds and queue them.

19:00:33 ben_vulpes: .help list

19:00:33 punkbot: ben_vulpes: Error: There is no command "list".

19:00:38 ben_vulpes: .list

19:00:45 ben_vulpes: i recall doing this before...

19:02:55 punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1HAMmA7Zb6815zGB4A977B7pcvog78zsWD | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1HAMmA7Z

19:03:16 jurov: .help help

19:03:16 punkbot: jurov: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.

19:11:18 punkman: chetty: is there a crib sheet somewhere on using the deed thingy? << it's just one command!

19:17:49 BingoBoingo: .deed http://dpaste.com/1366QWC

19:17:50 assbot: dpaste: 1366QWC

19:17:50 punkbot: BingoBoingo: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

19:20:19 BingoBoingo: qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/

19:20:22 thestringpuller: I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model

19:20:26 thestringpuller: or structure profits to make donations

19:21:35 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/bitcoin-declaration-of-sovereignty-filed/

19:40:17 ben_vulpes: .deed http://dpaste.com/1CSCD1G.txt

19:40:18 punkbot: ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

19:40:23 ben_vulpes: .deed http://dpaste.com/1MMVM04.txt

19:40:23 punkbot: ben_vulpes: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

19:40:24 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/flashback-gavin-andresen/

19:41:28 ben_vulpes: i don't think that dating these things is necessary. they embed in the blockchain, after all.

19:46:18 ben_vulpes: ;;rate jurov 4

19:46:18 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 3 to 4.

19:47:17 Pierre_Rochard: “pay a tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised” <- Is this tax on profit or revenues?

19:49:59 punkbot: Bundled 3 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1AsyzbGx

19:54:48 ben_vulpes: how does a tax on revenues make any sense?

19:55:15 ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard ^^

19:55:48 ben_vulpes: imagine the pathological case where an operation's barely scraping by with margins of, oh let's just say 0.1%.

20:02:48 Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: both tax on revenues and tax on profits have their pros and cons. So I’m assuming the answer to my question is that it’s a tax on profits

20:03:58 ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: okay so indulge me, because i know nothing about the pros and cons of taxation: what are the benefits of taxing revenues?

20:05:20 BingoBoingo: http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2014/11/07/local-police-can-arrest-federal-agents-it-just-happened-in-salt-lake-city/

20:05:21 assbot: Local Police CAN Arrest Federal Agents: It just happened in Salt Lake City | Tenth Amendment Center

20:05:36 Pierre_Rochard: off the top of my head: (1) avoid companies playing games with expenses to minimize taxable profits (2) widen the base to unprofitable and break-even companies (why should they be indirectly subsidized by profitable companies)

20:06:02 *: BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe

20:06:35 Pierre_Rochard: for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably)

20:06:43 Pierre_Rochard: yet they’re*

20:08:01 ben_vulpes: profitless companies don't really fly in la serenissima. yet, at least.

20:10:22 ben_vulpes: and in any case, those tithing will make the call on their own.

20:10:42 bounce: you know, first time I see this thing is it getting signed.

20:10:51 bounce: bit of a bummer, I'd say.

20:11:02 Pierre_Rochard: noted, just curiousity from my inner accountant

20:11:31 mircea_popescu: chetty http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-bitcoin-assets-deed-system/ maybe ?

20:11:31 assbot: The #bitcoin-assets deed system pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

20:11:43 ben_vulpes: bounce: you want discussion of it? a wiki?

20:12:09 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> I wonder which corporations will move to that profit model << bitcoin corps, basically.

20:12:28 mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> ?pay a tax in sum of 0.1% or a hundred thousand satoshi per full Bitcoin realised? <- Is this tax on profit or revenues? << profit

20:13:29 mircea_popescu: * BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes.

20:13:51 bounce: "your mother dresses you funny". there, all done.

20:13:56 mircea_popescu: <bounce> bit of a bummer, I'd say. << whyssat ?

20:13:57 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> * BingoBoingo enjoying that out cult nao has an official tithe <<< all that's missing for full blown religion is the weird robes. << Get nubbins' to print them!

20:15:25 mircea_popescu: you mean we all wear silkscreens ?!

20:16:03 mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard> for example: amazon would pay little to no tax on profits. Yet their consuming lots of benefits from the state (presumably) << i dunno how that is supposed to stand. if they're not making a profit then their users are deriving all the benefit.

20:16:08 bounce: you don't get why that's a bummer? that's really bad.

20:16:09 mircea_popescu: why should they pay.

20:16:19 mircea_popescu: bounce explain it to me like i were five!

20:16:37 bounce: actually, no. certainly not now.

20:16:47 mircea_popescu: well whenever you feel like o.O

20:18:17 ben_vulpes: it's just an alternate reality game yo

20:18:38 ben_vulpes: CHAPTER TWO: IN WHICH THE USIANS LOSE THEIR HEADS

20:19:37 BingoBoingo: Silkscreening is what makes the robes weird

20:19:52 Apocalyptic: "That's absurd. The whole Lavabit episode actually indicates how strong the CA infrastructure really is", hearn

20:20:08 mircea_popescu: duh.

20:20:11 Apocalyptic: that's hilarious

20:20:14 mircea_popescu: what else would you have him say ?

20:20:35 Apocalyptic: something less stupid ?

20:21:00 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin price falls on Bitcoin Black Friday" http://bitbet.us/bet/1067/

20:21:05 mircea_popescu: not an easy task, finding such among the pile at his disposal.

20:22:19 punkbot: Confirmed bundle 1AsyzbGxFiV3RxtEXumhFG1byvpiU37L6j | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/1AsyzbGx

20:22:39 scoopbot: New post on Bingo Blog by BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/08/bbwaa-awards-predictions/

20:23:46 BingoBoingo: Also qntra traffic up again, time to hire! https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net

20:23:46 assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast

20:24:17 mircea_popescu: hehe check that out!

20:25:47 kakobrekla: dude, ddos doesnt count

20:26:46 BingoBoingo: WHy not?

20:26:58 BingoBoingo: DDoS counts if it reads while doing it

20:27:59 mircea_popescu: i don't think quantcast counts ddos

20:30:33 []bot: Bet created: "JoePA gets his wins back" http://bitbet.us/bet/1068/

20:31:14 mircea_popescu: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/fveAfXy6

20:31:14 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Your dividend payment for S. - Pastebin.com

20:31:14 punkbot: mircea_popescu: Queued 2 valid deeds for next bundle.

20:33:03 mircea_popescu: punkbot status

20:33:03 punkbot: mircea_popescu: 2 pending deeds | Last bundle 43 minutes ago

20:35:05 mircea_popescu: punkman can the punkbot skip the pgp header all the way to the next \n after "Hash:" ?

20:35:58 mircea_popescu: and can it put say 32 bytes so obtained off each deed in a " ; " separated list that it pastes here ?

20:36:39 mircea_popescu: and can it also use the first line as the title of the document always, so the "Title: " magic words are no longer needed in deeds ?

20:46:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31468 @ 0.00055921 = 17.5972 BTC [-]

20:47:32 mircea_popescu: !up deed_noob|97959

20:47:37 mircea_popescu: that's a new one.

20:50:05 punkbot: Bundled 2 deeds | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19c63aCJ

20:51:08 []bot: Bet created: "Ban on Reddit BTC tip bot Changetip" http://bitbet.us/bet/1069/

20:54:04 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/11/hashfast-to-liquidate/

20:55:03 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xU57gP0Kzw

20:55:04 assbot: Screenwipe - Idea - YouTube

21:06:35 punkbot: Confirmed bundle 19c63aCJM1qKa7mTSBpso1zUVUACpEM6NP | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19c63aCJ

21:11:52 mircea_popescu: punkbot balance

21:11:52 punkbot: mircea_popescu: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01383 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 125 more bundles.

21:12:49 cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla pls to gazette <<< looks like BingoBoingo did so while i was sleeping

21:13:21 mircea_popescu: yeah!

21:15:30 []bot: Bet created: "BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q1 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1070/

21:18:11 []bot: Bet created: "BTC to reach $5000 or higher in Q2 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1071/

21:20:43 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/531190387361447936

21:20:45 assbot: There should be, ideally, a qntra for every topic, where experts simply tell the truth, plainly, in form and style. Would people get it?

21:20:50 BingoBoingo: ^ Feedback

21:21:48 mircea_popescu: if only we had that many experts.

21:22:01 RagnarDanneskjol: deednoon|(somerandomnumber) must be someone who logged in from deedbot.com irc web client fyi

21:23:11 mircea_popescu: aha

21:37:54 thestringpuller: ;;ud Philosopher's Legacy

21:37:54 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+Philosophers+Legacy | The men and women who were involved in The Philosopher's Legacy were also known as the Twelve Wisemen's Committee, the Patriots, or the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo.

21:40:04 chetty: punkbot deed http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5FR9QRDA

21:40:05 punkbot: chetty: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.

21:40:56 punkman: mircea_popescu: I'll make it grab, say the first 100 chars on the first line and use that for titles.

21:41:06 mircea_popescu: works.

21:41:20 punkman: and what about announcing titles here

21:41:27 punkman: when bundle is made?

21:41:53 mircea_popescu: i would think take out the "bundle made" thing entirely

21:41:58 mircea_popescu: and only announce when tx'd.

21:45:03 punkman: yeah ok, was more useful before the website existed

21:45:11 punkman: will just announce confirms

21:46:07 mircea_popescu: you can have it pm if you want for debug purposes or w/e, but otherwise kind-of redundant in chan

21:50:13 punkbot: Bundled 1 deed | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19BXLtDe

21:55:54 thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe

21:55:54 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00055921 / 0.00059478 / 0.000603 (235238 shares, 139.92 BTC), 7D: 0.00055921 / 0.00071558 / 0.00078536 (3467149 shares, 2,481.04 BTC), 30D: 0.00055921 / 0.00074278 / 0.00081111 (24002339 shares, 17,828.57 BTC)

22:00:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120000 @ 0.00057053 = 68.4636 BTC [+] {4}

22:27:22 mircea_popescu: PeterL hey listen, can you make a website for the scoopbot bot ? put it under blogs.bitcoin-assets.com liek before ?

22:27:56 mircea_popescu: i think pankkake published the code he was using somewhere

22:28:39 PeterL: mircea_popescu: sure, it is something I was planning to do soon

22:28:47 mircea_popescu: cool

22:31:21 PeterL: ;;rate kakobrekla 2 bitbet, assbot, etc

22:31:22 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.

22:32:53 punkbot: Confirmed bundle 19BXLtDe1FQC1FSVpSpYwG1RXTvL3k5hzW | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/19BXLtDe

22:33:38 PeterL: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 https://twitter.com/danielpbarron seems like a nice guy, calls out scammers

22:33:40 assbot: Daniel P. Barron (@danielpbarron) on Twitter

22:33:40 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.

23:27:30 Adlai: "absolved from all allegiance to any entity… is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation"

23:43:22 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu heres buttcoin hosting https://coinshost.com/en/

23:43:50 asciilifeform: took 20 or so seconds to load

23:43:52 asciilifeform: not encouraging.

23:44:33 asciilifeform: i don't remember what other people wanted, but i would like a hosting vendor who is in wot.

23:45:36 kakobrekla: seems like their page is bit broked

23:45:53 kakobrekla: makes some bad requests

23:45:59 asciilifeform: no wot presence, no symptoms of actually working tech. what's the appeal then ?

23:46:15 kakobrekla: i did not claim appeal

23:47:44 kakobrekla: below it sez >Proudly brought to you by Incloudibly.

23:47:45 kakobrekla: heh.

23:47:59 asciilifeform: 'If you don?t like the Bitcoin Foundation, you could start a new one, right? Sure, absolutely. Just like you could start a new river Thames. Have a shovel. Start digging.' << lol!

23:48:01 kakobrekla: only noticed now

23:48:11 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is it any good ?

23:48:44 kakobrekla: incloudibly ? i think they are the ones that down allow irc bots

23:50:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who's the idiot ?

23:50:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-11-2014#914881

23:50:40 assbot: Logged on 08-11-2014 08:25:40; cazalla: very little news around, read this http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18000/bitcoin-is-teaching-realism-to-libertarians-an-interview-with-old-school-cypherpunk-vinay-gupta/ .. where did i read about gold and problem of keeping it safe before?

23:50:43 mircea_popescu: scams as geological features now, what's next, libertardism as a natural satellite ?

23:50:59 mircea_popescu: oh, gupta. mkay. who asked him anything or w/e.

23:55:26 mircea_popescu: <Adlai> "absolved from all allegiance to any entity? is to pay a tax into the coffers of the Bitcoin Foundation" << you gotta re-read.

23:57:34 punkman: suppose everyone in assbot wot signs the declaration. doesn't make too much sense to keep 450 copies of the same document.

23:57:50 mircea_popescu: why not ?

23:58:12 Adlai: what exactly did i miss?

23:58:19 mircea_popescu: disk space and bw increase at 100% a year yo.

23:58:40 mircea_popescu: Adlai : "absolved from all allegiance to any entity ; if you pay this much no one can ask for more"

23:59:13 punkman: well even if I keep 450 copies, would be nice to detect it and present a special page with the document and a list of signatures

23:59:37 mircea_popescu: punkbot suppose 200 of those people sign subtly different versions.