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00:21:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.09791304 = 4.504 BTC [-] {2}

00:22:25 adlai: you heard it here first: the next reward halving is an appropriate occasion for a 420 celebration

00:44:18 []bot: Bet placed: 1.01010101 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1080/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.33248981 BTC. Current weight: 93,699.

01:17:00 adlai: it'd be cool to watch a gold pop correspond with a bitcoin rally

01:17:29 adlai: could even get a nice vicious feedback loop going

01:29:14 BingoBoingo: !up markedathome|wth

01:29:19 BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos

01:30:16 xanthyos: hi

01:31:47 BingoBoingo: Hello

01:32:54 cazalla: how's the dick xanthyos ?

01:33:37 xanthyos: still there

01:34:07 xanthyos: who knew satoshi would look roughly like christian bale

01:34:28 xanthyos: gotta find a pose that's close to this mugshot to make a cute meme

01:35:37 BingoBoingo: xanthyos: That's a hoax post.

01:36:16 xanthyos: no wonder the price hasn't moved much since

01:36:43 BingoBoingo: Yeah.

01:38:15 xanthyos: oh, breaking bad season 6, this site is all hoaxes.

01:38:27 BingoBoingo: Indeed

01:39:49 adlai: looks like somebody needs to upgrade their log parser to LALR

01:39:55 adlai: or rather, LATD

01:41:00 adlai: jurov: what happens when a coinbr account has assets but no btc when you need to charge the management fee?

01:42:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1105 @ 0.00120999 = 1.337 BTC [-]

01:42:33 xanthyos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSoFbndq0xs

01:42:33 assbot: A.D. - Official Trailer: A.D. the Series - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1w3OmoM )

01:49:06 [Namworld]: If facebook likes are from bot... the bot accounts are pretty impressively well made. Photos of same person over years, often multiple years of Facebook usage, conversations that somewhat make sense when translated, although not sure if it's issues of translation or just gibberish. Just doesn't look like gibberish.

01:49:40 mircea_popescu: [Namworld] o, didha do that fb campaign ?

01:49:44 [Namworld]: For some reason, they just like tons of random pages. If I had to guess, hacked accounts/people not bothering to remove liked pages.

01:49:56 mircea_popescu: or you know, simply idiots.

01:50:38 [Namworld]: I read something about some FB users just liking tons of stuff like they collect likes and using FB in odd ways.

01:51:00 [Namworld]: Yes, well it's started. For some reason, it seems slow to work on getting website clicks. It gets you clicks faster for fanpage like button.

01:51:12 [Namworld]: I'll try raising the bid a bit I guess.

01:51:24 mircea_popescu: not like there's any rush.

01:51:24 *: mircea_popescu looks

01:51:45 mircea_popescu: 21 clicks here so far. lolz.

01:52:30 [Namworld]: Facebook ads shows 50 clicks. So instant bounce/no wait for loading. How many of those 21 bounced?

01:54:27 [Namworld]: My guess is a lot.

01:55:44 [Namworld]: Yet when it's clicks for fanpage, they result in a fan, and randomly selecting fans gives you a realistic profile.

01:56:29 [Namworld]: So hacked accounts or copied info/posts from account with privacy settings set to public.

01:58:14 adlai: facebook would probably catch onto copied accounts quite fast, they run facial recognition on every photo

01:58:31 [Namworld]: Either way there seems to be rampant networks of click-happy bots ramping up costs. At least on low bids/global audience.

01:58:31 [Namworld]: They do?

01:58:49 adlai: yes

01:59:07 adlai: they use it to suggest tags

01:59:32 [Namworld]: Hmm, I guess there's other smaller social networks, especially in non-english countries. I guess facebook botnets could crawl and use info from profiles elsewhere.

01:59:48 ben_vulpes: all to make money while sleeping

02:01:10 [Namworld]: Because the photos on those suspicious accounts have pictures of same person posted over and over. Yet they don't act like humans. Especially when you start tracking them once on your website.

02:01:41 [Namworld]: Photos must be coming from somewhere. So hacked accounts very plausible I guess.

02:02:35 [Namworld]: Easier than copying from elsewhere. I doubt it's hard to come up with a lot of FB credentials on black market/from a botnet.

02:03:22 mircea_popescu: [Namworld] pretty much all. but it'd show in the log for merely asking for the page, anyway

02:03:36 mircea_popescu: (i just grep for the get request it used see)

02:04:37 mircea_popescu: [Namworld] anyway, let me know when it's finished and i'll do a sumup

02:06:00 [Namworld]: Aye, should have at least 500 clicks once it's done. At least FB side. Apparently most don't even get to have a request sent to the actual website.

02:06:59 [Namworld]: Since ads are not direct link but a FB link that tracks and redirect, I guess bots just click and never request the page they're asked to redirect to.

02:19:53 cazalla: scoopbot, don't fail me

02:21:40 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitpay-yet-to-release-bitcoin-black-friday-2014-stats/

02:27:25 cazalla: if anyone remembers .au police taking a bitcoin atm.. cops have revealed the inventory from the bust, no info on actual bitcoin amount so nothing newsworth but this paragraph is lulzy "The cash haul was more than $313,000, with property seized including vehicles, mobile phones, computers and a rare Bitcoin ATM."

02:28:10 hanbot: "police stole everything!"

02:49:22 adlai: crowdsource stats, collect a bounty to distribute among all entities providing valid signatures for transactions during black friday. pay the consumers for their data!

02:50:00 adlai: or just sum all the transactions during that day to get an upper bound, and assume that bitpay account for X%

02:53:41 BingoBoingo: !up mike_c

02:53:45 mike_c: ;;ticker

02:53:57 mike_c: silly bots. thx bingo.

02:54:13 mike_c: this is the problem with relying on robots to serve our needs.

02:54:26 ben_vulpes: ;;ping

02:54:39 mike_c: gribble is toast

02:54:42 ben_vulpes: oh wow

02:54:53 ben_vulpes: permatoast or just down?

02:54:59 mike_c: hopefully just down

02:55:27 ben_vulpes: i like the bot dependency graph

02:55:43 ben_vulpes: notary -> {assbot,gribble}

02:55:47 ben_vulpes: assbot -> gribble

02:56:06 mike_c: #b-a -> {assbot, gribble}

02:56:32 ben_vulpes: exercise for the mike_c :P

02:57:39 cazalla: adlai, the stats are not really point of article, more so to point out stupidity of this bitcoin black friday scheme

02:57:58 mike_c: cazalla: I would like to write an article for qntra with graphs in it. how should I go about this?

02:58:37 BingoBoingo: Graphs work as email attachements?

02:58:39 adlai: stats, whether an official press release or some guess based on data, are needed for bet resolution

02:58:40 cazalla: mike_c, can you use images for the graphs or is it code

02:59:03 mike_c: images. but embedded in the right spot. and ideally presenting you with the least amount of work necessary.

02:59:18 mike_c: like, maybe I should just have a WP account.

02:59:31 mike_c: and I can write it myself. and then you review and publish.

03:00:32 cazalla: mike_c, technically you already have an account, i create them for authors and use for publishing their articles, i can change so that you can log in and post a draft

03:00:45 mike_c: and upload images to put in the draft?

03:01:33 mike_c: works for me. I pinky-swear not to break anything.

03:01:33 cazalla: i do that via ftp, wordpress won't let me upload images, i think one of the dir permissions are off or something

03:01:44 mike_c: that's not a bad thing. but makes it harder for authors.

03:02:05 cazalla: you can email the images, i'll upload and then send you the URLs

03:02:45 mike_c: that's fine with me, but you might want to think about how to get yourself more out of the workflow. makes scaling and doing this long-term easier.

03:03:42 ben_vulpes: automaaaaate

03:04:15 mike_c: no no, we don't need more robots involved.

03:04:24 ben_vulpes: wordpress is best robot

03:04:36 mike_c: unreliable suns of bitches

03:05:10 cazalla: mike_c, it's not really that much work atm anyway and what else am i going to do but play pokemon all day during slow periods

03:05:47 ben_vulpes: but what about making money while you sleep, cazalla!?

03:06:25 mike_c: hehe, i was thinking more about getting ready for the not-slow periods :) but this is fine with me.

03:06:38 cazalla: ben_vulpes, i learned this lesson a few years back already

03:07:49 mike_c: also, now that I have access, you just gave me access without checking if i'm authenticated :) and I'm actually the reddit police! (j/k)

03:07:58 mike_c: but i coulda been

03:09:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21080 @ 0.00050585 = 10.6633 BTC [-] {2}

03:09:44 cazalla: well difficult without gribble around

03:09:49 mike_c: srsly

03:11:32 adlai: "difficult"

03:11:45 cazalla: still, good point, i have been caught slipping

03:11:53 adlai: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=mike_c

03:11:54 assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/12CfYoV )

03:12:24 ben_vulpes: http://cube-drone.com/2013_06_05-Cube_Drone_37_The_Often_Inscrutable_Motivation_Of_Programmers.html

03:12:25 assbot: Cube Drone ... ( http://bit.ly/12Cg4x3 )

03:20:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 120 @ 0.00870083 = 1.0441 BTC [+] {2}

03:21:18 cazalla: anyway, taking a walk to reflect on this act of stupidity

03:32:35 BingoBoingo: ;;ident mike_c

03:33:04 ben_vulpes: watch get gribble get ddossed.

03:33:19 ben_vulpes: thanks for bringing her back, nanotube

03:37:32 kakobrekla: doesnt seem back to me

03:37:43 kakobrekla: is gribbles cloak phucked?

03:38:47 kakobrekla: !up nanotube

03:39:32 nanotube: looks like someone is trying to eat up some cpu by hammering the web server

03:39:38 nanotube: with modest success >_>

03:46:26 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-st-petersburg-bowl-preview/ << Preview of the "Bitcoin Bowl"

03:46:27 assbot: Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl Preview | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/12Cm60v )

03:47:18 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-st-petersburg-bowl-preview/

03:50:21 BingoBoingo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8714823

03:50:22 assbot: Bitcoin St. Petersburg Bowl Preview | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1w42I8z )

03:50:35 ben_vulpes: yes but who paid for it?

03:53:40 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's a game. The story is in the teams not the sponsors. No one remembers the sponsors of the bowl games.

03:56:32 ben_vulpes: sports games are stories now?

03:57:16 BingoBoingo: Marginally.

03:57:59 BingoBoingo: It's the Bitcoin bowl. There was an obligation to bring attention to how completely mediocre the competitors are.

04:00:31 mircea_popescu: [Namworld] i guess if they're only interested to see where the ads lead, they wouldn't follow the redirect. trivial curl thing.

04:00:33 mircea_popescu: hanbot kinda how it works these days huh.

04:01:04 mircea_popescu: adlai the exchange-reported tx for that day are small, and the books didn't even hold enough.

04:02:07 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> like, maybe I should just have a WP account. << i can see this.

04:02:18 mircea_popescu: can prolly set to you know, save draft only. then editor can publish.

04:02:50 mircea_popescu: <cazalla> i do that via ftp, wordpress won't let me upload images, i think one of the dir permissions are off or something <<< sooo... set em right ?

04:03:13 mircea_popescu: mike_c> unreliable suns of bitches << mp waits patiently for mike to run into women.

04:04:08 mircea_popescu: nanotube gribble is down and everyone's butthurt about it.

04:04:39 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/davesund/status/541803828996104192

04:04:41 assbot: No matter how badly your season ended, you are nowhere near the level of embarrassment of NC State and UCF fans. /hashtag/BitcoinBowl?src=hash

04:04:54 mircea_popescu: except for me. i'm watching zoey monroe being fake-gangraped and am all zen about all things.

04:09:48 mircea_popescu: !up nanotube

04:26:35 mircea_popescu: http://debanat.ro/2014/12/afacerist-din-timisoara-dat-in-gat-de-mircea-basescu/

04:26:35 assbot: Afacerist din Timisoara, dat in gat de Mircea Basescu | deBanat.ro - spune realitatea! ... ( http://bit.ly/1CXjH1u )

04:27:15 mircea_popescu: "timisoara businessman accused of romania's outgoing president's brother [who is being sent to jail for a pile of various fraud, corruption and graft charges]"

04:27:58 mircea_popescu: article goes on to say that name wasn't released, but that the pracitce of buying information about various legal misdeeds of other people is by now a common practice in romania, for they convicted who are also rich. like a trying to get out of jail thing.

04:27:58 mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy.

04:28:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, it's ovidiu tender yet again.

04:32:52 BingoBoingo: The ways people cope with the law are weird

04:36:11 thestringpuller: Zarnescu, interesting...

04:58:06 BingoBoingo: http://passcode.csmonitor.com/twitterbot

04:58:07 assbot: How I learned to stop worrying and love the Twitterbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6C1S3 )

04:58:07 cazalla: mircea_popescu, was not sure which dir to set to write, figured better to leave alone, it's not really a big issue as is

05:15:57 cazalla: mircea_popescu> except for me. i'm watching zoey monroe being fake-gangraped and am all zen about all things <<< ya like the blondes eh

05:27:37 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_in_bed

05:28:06 ascii_in_bed: ty

05:30:24 ascii_in_bed: funny how this particular pipe is ddosproof

05:30:38 mircea_popescu: cazalla she's brunette now.

05:31:01 mircea_popescu: ascii_in_bed it is ? you kept going off earlier,.

05:31:10 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller hm ?

05:31:12 ascii_in_bed: unplugged it earlier

05:32:05 mircea_popescu: ascii_in_bed so whatcha got over there ? ebola ?

05:32:11 ascii_in_bed: rather - switched off, toy computer

05:32:24 ascii_in_bed: flu variant

05:32:33 ascii_in_bed: mostly done

05:33:23 mircea_popescu: http://construimimperii.ro/despre-daniel-zarnescu << bwahahaha.

05:33:24 assbot: Construim ImperiiDespre Daniel Zarnescu - Construim Imperii ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmbWPB )

05:33:49 mircea_popescu: "Sunt fondatorul uneia din cele mai mari retele de bloguri de nisa din Romania (Stepout Media), cu siteuri precum: www.construimimperii.ro," i am the founder of one of the biggest niche networks in romania, with sites such as webuildempires

05:34:13 mircea_popescu: the 20yo makemoneyasleep zombie crowd was funny in 2009, will stay funny in 2019

05:34:40 ascii_in_bed: if lives.

05:34:41 BingoBoingo: ascii_in_bed: Done as in nearly abated, of done as in the virus successfully poetteringized the meat.

05:35:04 ascii_in_bed: nearly done with bed

05:44:46 ben_vulpes: mats: today i discovered that docker images have a 10GB limit unless you specify otherwise with dm.whatever options on the command line for the docker daemon

05:44:59 ben_vulpes: may you not be bitten like i was

05:45:14 mats: i see

05:46:21 mircea_popescu: magic numbers dude. so fucking important.

05:46:38 mircea_popescu: what would happen if some idiot somewhere didn't constantly put magic numbers into everything!

05:47:04 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes check it out, docker is like bdb, except differently named undocumented config file.

05:47:46 ben_vulpes: well /etc/default/docker but look at it through whatever lens you like baws

05:48:17 ben_vulpes: 'tis documented in devicemapper.

05:48:36 ben_vulpes: oh and it's not a *hard* limit, just a default.

05:48:41 ben_vulpes: but again whatever

06:10:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00123759 = 1.2376 BTC [+] {3}

06:16:46 cazalla: <ben_vulpes> sports games are stories now? <<< and yet it got a bunch of retweets lol

06:24:21 BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/usa/212327-chlorine-leak-animal-evacuation/

06:24:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/12gwv1Y )

06:37:14 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4Sm5obIYAArfPw.png:large

06:37:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/12gyC61 )

06:45:50 ben_vulpes: cazalla: retweets are qntra's metric of choice today?

06:47:45 cazalla: tbh i was getting into it, a lil' disappointed twitter is yet to unban me

06:48:21 cazalla: on it's own it's a terrible metric but i keep an eye on it just to see if people are picking up the stories qntra runs

06:57:28 punkman: ;;ticker

06:57:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 372.87, Best ask: 373.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.63000, Last trade: 372.87, 24 hour volume: 2874.85753656, 24 hour low: 372.85, 24 hour high: 377.5, 24 hour vwap: 375.921112973

06:59:34 punkman: http://www.internetisshit.org/print.html

06:59:35 assbot: The internet is shit ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmAat2 )

07:14:52 BingoBoingo: http://www.salon.com/2014/12/04/new_york_times_propagandists_exposed_finally_the_truth_about_ukraine_and_putin_emerges/ << lulzy

07:14:54 assbot: New York Times propagandists exposed: Finally, the truth about Ukraine and Putin emerges - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1sb7MD8 )

07:15:45 mircea_popescu: punkman well yes, "fairness" as misunderstood by the butthurt parade is going against a hard limit of the universe.

07:16:01 mircea_popescu: you wanna trade, move to fucking ny. you don't wanna move to ny, stfu and snort coke or w/e they do in la.

07:17:04 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, salon is complaining about nyt propaganda ?!

07:17:14 BingoBoingo: Looks like it.

07:17:25 *: BingoBoingo waits for them to say haxxed

07:18:23 BingoBoingo: Oh qntra is #6 on google for "bitcoin bowl preview"

07:19:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, "Patrick L. Smith" is making way too much of an interview with... kissinger.

07:19:55 mircea_popescu: srsly, he's still alive ?

07:20:18 BingoBoingo: I dunno he can die, lizard heritage

07:21:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, salon and the derpage is entirely irrelevant to why and wherefore "we knew all along" and saw through the nuland bullshit from day one.

07:22:01 mircea_popescu: moar plowing flies, didntcha know, some anon derp working for some anon flavour of teh us propaganda has been really pulling the yoke!

07:22:26 mircea_popescu: that they don't even mention orlov in there is insulting to the russian foreign service lol.

07:22:53 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NWPWGY.txt )

07:22:53 BingoBoingo: !b 2

07:23:27 cazalla: BingoBoingo, #5 here

07:23:37 BingoBoingo: Nice cazalla

07:25:09 BingoBoingo: See this Salon ignoring Orlov thing is like the rest of the "Bitcoin Press" lapping up Bitpay spending out the ass to sponsor a bowl game while ignoring... That there's actually a game that's now going to be played with teams and stuff.

07:26:54 fluffypony: https://www.bitcoinrocket.io

07:26:58 assbot: BitCoinRocket - The official worldwide bitcoin lottery ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmI31A )

07:26:59 fluffypony: dose graphix

07:30:37 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Actually doesn't look that different compared to some of the 2012 era BTC sites

07:30:58 mircea_popescu: might even be a recycle

07:30:58 fluffypony: yes but this one is the "official worldwide" lottery

07:31:00 mircea_popescu: seems vaguely familiar

07:31:35 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i suppose not everyone's fortunate enough to be on the receivingend of reader's digest prizes and stuff. which is why they keep doing this firstbiggestbest thing.

07:31:44 fluffypony: lol

07:32:00 mircea_popescu: mendelbaum! mendelbaum! mendelbaum!

07:32:21 mircea_popescu: it's go time.

07:32:46 fluffypony: first official biggest only best bitcoin foundation

07:54:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4132 @ 0.00050994 = 2.1071 BTC [+]

08:31:08 mats: ;;seen thickasthieves

08:31:09 gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 6 days, 17 hours, 14 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss

08:31:38 mats: i wonder what the odds are tat went and got a day job

08:33:46 mats: i remember some disagreement with the missus on the subject of day trading

08:46:29 cazalla: bit of a disagreement on fraudsters.com in the comments too mats

08:47:59 mats: link?

08:51:40 mats: hm, ongoing protests in berkeley

08:54:51 cazalla: mats, about a month ago, forget which article, wasn't that dramatic

08:55:34 cazalla: i'm sure they'll kiss and make up

09:26:52 punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ok035/whats_to_stop_rogue_programmers_inserting/

09:26:56 assbot: What's to stop rogue programmers inserting malicious code into Bitcoin wallet software? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4GfZa )

09:29:21 punkman: "That's why I love this page http://blockchain-status.com/javascript_verifier that blockchain has. Really makes it easy to make sure what's on their github is what they are giving to users."

09:29:23 assbot: Blockchain Javascript Check ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4GBin )

09:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5061 @ 0.00051063 = 2.5843 BTC [+] {2}

09:43:19 *: adlai is glad to have abandoned bc.i before the shenanigans beganigans

10:29:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.10607047 = 1.8032 BTC [+] {9}

10:35:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.1166655 = 3.15 BTC [+] {6}

10:51:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 200 @ 0.12947909 = 25.8958 BTC [+] {17}

11:28:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11593 @ 0.00050479 = 5.852 BTC [-] {2}

11:28:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 61 @ 0.1497374 = 9.134 BTC [+] {9}

12:08:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00051723 = 10.8877 BTC [+] {4}

12:19:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.13668186 = 4.3738 BTC [-] {4}

13:05:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1997 @ 0.00051629 = 1.031 BTC [-]

13:06:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2853 @ 0.00052254 = 1.4908 BTC [+]

13:14:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19064 @ 0.0005234 = 9.9781 BTC [+] {3}

13:28:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5156 @ 0.00052935 = 2.7293 BTC [+]

13:44:05 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/hashfast-asset-auction-cancelled/

13:44:06 assbot: HashFast Asset Auction Cancelled | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A8jHWD )

13:44:07 cazalla: late here so not a big write up but seems like some lulzy shit

13:45:47 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/hashfast-asset-auction-cancelled/

13:49:37 fluffypony: what assets did they have besides the ASICs?

13:50:59 cazalla: boards and shit, which the venezuelan congressman bought

13:51:43 cazalla: at least from what i can tell, BingoBoingo maybe you are inclined to look it over a bit more, i'll take another look in the morning , zzz now

13:52:54 fluffypony: night

13:54:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5518 @ 0.00120974 = 6.6753 BTC [-] {16}

13:56:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 172 @ 0.10050001 = 17.286 BTC [-] {3}

14:03:26 *: punkman imagines future state of venezuela, funded by btc mining operations

14:36:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00053346 = 8.0286 BTC [+] {2}

14:42:03 BingoBoingo: !up rdymac

14:48:13 rdymac: yup?

14:53:36 BingoBoingo: http://www.wired.com/2014/12/da-bom/

14:53:37 assbot: Turns Out the Dot-Com Bust's Worst Flops Were Actually Fantastic Ideas | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zikOou )

14:54:18 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

14:54:39 mircea_popescu: let me guess, it was only because of evil republicans pushing their obsolete, meanwhile technologically-revolutionized ideas about scarcity

14:54:43 mircea_popescu: that the bubble popped ?

14:57:17 BingoBoingo: "We?re still waiting for Kozmo 2.0. But there?s also good reason to applaud the folks behind Flooz.com. They wanted to create their own internet-based currency, and though Flooz was a flop, bitcoin has now shown that digital currency can play huge role in the modern world."

14:57:29 BingoBoingo: "Even the Pets.com idea is looking mighty good. The basic notion that people wanted to buy pet food online and have it delivered to their homes turns out to be a sound one."

14:57:44 mircea_popescu: cazalla: mats, about a month ago, forget which article, wasn't that dramatic << http://fraudsters.com/2014/waroflife-swol-october-2014-statement-closing/#comment-109570

14:57:44 assbot: WarOfLife (S.WOL), October 2014 Statement (closing) pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G76mSo )

14:57:46 mircea_popescu: it was over swol.

14:58:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, totally, because "ideas" are what matters. so what if flooz.com was roughly equivalent to reddit derps making redditcoin. IT WAS AN IDEA.

14:59:00 mircea_popescu: i'm sure all the various 19yos that had THE IDEA of you know, a bunch of naked women in your house, are spiritual forefathers to the harem.

14:59:19 mircea_popescu: fuck the arabs and so on. what, 1600s existed now ?!

14:59:41 BingoBoingo: Sure and pets.com was an idea, that could have totally worked if the thing actually was budgeted to live off of retailer profit margins instead of a VC funded money fire

14:59:53 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how ideas work.

15:00:06 BingoBoingo: Maybe I don't

15:00:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, wasn't pets.com basically groupon arbitrarily limited for the pets scam only ?

15:00:30 mircea_popescu: !up Rory

15:00:48 mircea_popescu: ie, "we're fleecing the living dailights out of you for no reason, but if you assemble in large groups we'll fleece a little less ?"

15:02:23 BingoBoingo: Oh, it was a whole Amazon.com style retailer I thought

15:02:24 mircea_popescu: nope.

15:02:42 mircea_popescu: it was just a petfood seller with the odd idea of actually buying warehouses.

15:03:23 mats: gambling is a rough biz

15:03:54 mircea_popescu: to put a face on "VC funded money fire" : https://www.google.com/search?q=Ann+L.+Winblad&complete=0&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch

15:03:55 assbot: Ann L. Winblad - Google zoeken ... ( http://bit.ly/1zinzWO )

15:04:38 BingoBoingo: Oh, the sock puppet sold for $125,000 to another startup?

15:05:25 mircea_popescu: uh ?

15:06:05 jurov: <adlai> [20141208 01:41] jurov: what happens when a coinbr account has assets but no btc when you need to charge the management fee? << for now unpaid fees just keep piling up as negative balance

15:06:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The pets.com mascot

15:07:05 adlai: and is there an api to this thing?

15:07:27 mircea_popescu: lol i had no idea.

15:08:09 mircea_popescu: but since we're doing "faces of Wasted Money" http://dondodge.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/21/005.jpg check out the graduating class of awkward 2010.

15:08:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G77WDy )

15:08:11 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881511.0 << lulzy

15:08:12 assbot: Gauge of interest - looking to raise 25 BTC in January for inventory ... ( http://bit.ly/1G77TYq )

15:11:04 mircea_popescu: " Very little overhead - because hardware sales is just a necessary part in this service industry." mkay, very logics in this verbiage.

15:11:34 mircea_popescu: ;;seen jdany

15:11:34 gribble: I have not seen jdany.

15:11:41 mircea_popescu: hm.

15:12:43 mircea_popescu: Oct 13 04:07:13 * jdany has quit () heh i knew i saw the name.

15:12:49 BingoBoingo: Amazing how the forum dreams have shrank from million BTC datacenters to, pls halp my store.

15:12:49 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:13:33 mircea_popescu: ;;seen jdany_

15:13:33 gribble: jdany_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 1 second ago: <jdany_> I figured you get fed up, dumped and bailed

15:13:33 mircea_popescu: there we go.

15:13:34 *: adlai has grand dreams but keeps his mouth shut, mostly

15:17:19 mircea_popescu: the pets.com thing, incidentally, was exactly opposite to bitcoin : wildly popular with the something awful centered libtard crowd.

15:18:49 BingoBoingo: Sure. They figured if pets.com could get dollars dumped on them, any idea could get them paid. On the other hand Bitcoin even in the earliest days supposed people STFU and get in line.

15:19:06 danielpbarron: is 15% monthly gains considered a conservative estimate or what? are the tardstalkers still so gullible?

15:21:16 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron these numbers are i suspect based in biology. they're not about to change.

15:22:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-532341266-gane-dinero-mientras-duerme-_JM

15:22:04 assbot: Gane Dinero Mientras Duerme - $ 28,00 en MercadoLibre ... ( http://bit.ly/1zitf2Q )

15:25:56 mircea_popescu: "They believe the extreme difficulty of collection that the Debtors and/or the Committee will face in the event a judgment is entered against Mr. Barber warrants an approval of the Mutual Release, subject to the right of the Debtors and the Committee to pursue claims against Mr. Barber to the extent there is insurance coverage available to pay such claims."

15:25:57 fluffypony: lol BingoBoingo

15:25:59 mircea_popescu: basically guy ain't going to jale.

15:26:07 fluffypony: 25 BTC is BTCJam loan level

15:26:33 mircea_popescu: "Mr. Barber?s financial statement shows that he is currently insolvent on a balance sheet basis."

15:26:46 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you'd be surprised. it WAS.

15:28:04 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell zaht http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948202 there you go, close enough.

15:28:04 assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 15:26:33; mircea_popescu: "Mr. Barber?s financial statement shows that he is currently insolvent on a balance sheet basis."

15:28:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:28:57 mircea_popescu: "Mr. Barber does not have the ability to fund a defense of any cause of action and would likely be forced into a chapter 7 if forced to defend against claims brought by the estate. The financial statement suggests that such a chapter 7 filing would be determined to be a ?no asset? case. Accordingly, the Debtors and the Committee believe that absent a settlement, it would be very difficult to collect anything at all

15:28:57 mircea_popescu: from Mr. Barber, even if a judgment was already in hand today. This factor weighed heavily in the Debtors? and Committee?s decision-making."

15:29:14 mircea_popescu: so the tardstalk schmucks were going around acting as if this utter bum is somehow a businessman.

15:29:30 mircea_popescu: one of 'em huh.

15:29:49 mircea_popescu: "It also shows that he has no material unencumbered assets, and that his encumbered assets (primary residence and vehicles) have no equity."

15:29:54 mircea_popescu: cazalla nice publish srsly.

15:31:11 mircea_popescu: so the "legal process" in california is so very effectual, guy walks o jesus. ok, ima write this up.

15:32:55 fluffypony: have we spoken about the new Just Dice yet?

15:33:09 BingoBoingo: Not yet?

15:35:18 fluffypony: I'm still trying to figure out the raison d'être for CLAMs

15:35:32 fluffypony: I mean the altcoin, not the seafood

15:36:06 BingoBoingo: What's their shtick?

15:36:56 fluffypony: I dunno, maybe dooglus can enlighten us

15:37:42 mircea_popescu: fluffypony something like http://fraudsters.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/ 2012 is too far in the past so we don't remember it, therefore must make bitcoin clone to say it's a gaming currence ?

15:37:42 assbot: The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by the SEC pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7bshw )

15:38:16 fluffypony: lol

15:39:01 mircea_popescu: but that's essentially it, right ? "your honor, this is internet funbux likle wow gold and monopoly money, stfu and go home".

15:39:40 mircea_popescu: seems to me better to defend the defensible position rather than try and defend an undefensible positon that's nevertheless slightly more inland. but wtf do i know about strategy.

15:42:16 fluffypony: sure

15:42:16 fluffypony: but

15:43:04 fluffypony: CLAMs are "special" because if you owned Bitcoin or Dogecoin or Litecoin at some magical date when it launched or whatever, then you can "redeem" CLAMs

15:43:41 mircea_popescu: uh.

15:44:03 mircea_popescu: wait i recall this thing. why do you figure it's related to dooglus ?

15:44:03 fluffypony: so in a court of law I'm certain the argument could be made that it has equivalency, and merely giving it a new name doesn't make it any different to Bitcoin

15:44:07 mircea_popescu: i thought he was making some new jd-special coin.

15:44:17 fluffypony: nope

15:44:23 fluffypony: JD was relaunched as CLAMs only

15:44:31 mircea_popescu: eh.

15:44:36 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=884724.msg9773474#msg9773474

15:44:38 assbot: Just-Dice.com Relaunched! With CLAM! ... ( http://bit.ly/1ziAAQd )

15:44:42 mircea_popescu: that was dumb, bt anyway.

15:44:47 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238613.msg9772760#msg9772760

15:44:49 assbot: Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest ... ( http://bit.ly/1ziADLR )

15:44:52 mircea_popescu: "Mandatory Update/Fork Complete!" heh.

15:45:54 mircea_popescu: dooglus duide seriously that was the stupidest move ever. you could have just sold the damned site.

15:46:49 mircea_popescu: i like this guy, but he has the communication abilities of an engineer, and as a result ends up with the local minimums ffs.

15:48:23 BingoBoingo: Maybe that's the point of the clams thing, being a kind of retarded mess that's going to be a huge pain for rgulators.

15:48:28 fluffypony: hah hah

15:48:48 fluffypony: tell the regulators that the USG owns CLAMs by virtue of them having a bunch of BTC in May?

15:48:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 127 @ 0.01027433 = 1.3048 BTC [-]

15:49:33 BingoBoingo: Oh, I'm thinking make the attourneys or whoever sink fucktons of time into figuring out just what clams are.

15:49:42 mircea_popescu: anyway i dun really see this is fixable.

15:49:45 mircea_popescu: ;;rated dooglus

15:49:46 gribble: You rated user dooglus on Wed Jul 2 22:02:07 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Truly a pillar of the community..

15:49:52 mircea_popescu: ;;unrate dooglus

15:49:53 gribble: Successfully removed your rating for dooglus.

15:50:58 mircea_popescu: im so fucking sick of asicminerism i can't even begin to tell it all.

15:51:12 TomServo: these clams are some pretty good lulz though

15:51:20 mircea_popescu: bitcoin brings the worst autist specimens up for air.

15:52:21 BingoBoingo: The big flaw with it is that dooglus came with too much quantity of name for this. People are going to be all "let's make clams have value" and dooglus goes back to what he tried to avoid.

15:52:35 TomServo: at least they're upfront about wanting to redistribute 'satoshi's horde'

15:53:15 mircea_popescu: the onl;y thing i see them being upfront about is being derps.

15:57:33 Namworld: The heck is clams?

15:58:18 TomServo: crypto clams, yo

15:58:31 TomServo: because not every slang word for cash was used yet

15:58:50 mircea_popescu: haha. is there coinbread yet ?

15:58:52 mircea_popescu: cheezebit ?

15:59:23 mircea_popescu: Namworld some derpage https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-clam-clams-proof-of-key-3-1-million-distributed.318751/

15:59:23 assbot: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMS > Proof-Of-Key > 3.1 Million Distributed | Bitcointa.lk ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7em5S )

15:59:54 mircea_popescu: check out misspelled announcement JPH

16:00:22 mircea_popescu: because you can't fucking write text, it's not what you're saying, it's how you're saying it that matters. gotta make a fucking drawing of it.

16:10:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00053371 = 4.7767 BTC [+]

16:13:18 scoopbot: New post on Bingo Blog by BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/12/08/bowl-season/

16:15:42 BingoBoingo: http://thecryptosphere.com/2014/10/10/exclusive-matt-dehart-coverage-paul-dehart-and-tor-ekelund-interviewed/

16:15:44 assbot: Exclusive Matt DeHart coverage: Paul DeHart and Tor Ekeland Interviewed | The Cryptosphere ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7ghas )

16:17:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.0005338 = 7.6333 BTC [+] {2}

16:20:46 mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=just%20because%20from:mircea_popescu << i think i found a great way to traverse the logs

16:20:47 assbot: 276 results for 'just because from:mircea_popescu' - #bitcoin-assets search

16:26:45 mircea_popescu: jurov sometimes when clicking on charts on coinbr i get nginx "service temporary unavailable". it always goes away if i reload

16:26:45 mircea_popescu: but i wonder how many people don't think to reload ?

16:27:25 jurov: it's anti-ddos rate limit

16:27:47 mircea_popescu: it always hits me on the first visit tho.

16:27:51 adlai: same

16:27:52 mircea_popescu: it must be some session cookie or something ?

16:28:47 BingoBoingo: pre-emptive rate limit

16:30:01 jurov: on the second visit, browser has cached stuff and doesn;t do so many requests

16:30:11 jurov: but it's something i must fix

16:30:28 mircea_popescu: oh i see.

16:30:31 mircea_popescu: makes sense.

16:30:50 mircea_popescu: anyway, i was going to link to you and figured graphs are cool, but will just link the root and well...

16:32:51 asciilifeform: ddos << there will come the day when folks will remember the 'route to anybody who asks first-come-first-serve' internet - with disgust.

16:33:10 asciilifeform: (see also thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2014#931927 )

16:33:10 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2014 05:04:09; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is why, in my unofficial wonderland, you can't even open a socket without transmitting an rsa-signed a 'this is me, and my wot' breath of life packet.

16:33:28 jurov: asciilifeform you basically want telco network, where every packed knows who paid for it

16:33:39 asciilifeform: as it is, ddos mitigation does at least as much damage as the disease itself

16:33:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not so sure. i kinda like it.

16:34:03 asciilifeform: jurov: not the idiot 'stop spam via taxation' scheme that everyone is familiar with, no

16:34:10 asciilifeform: that just ensures hegemony of the richest spammer

16:34:20 mircea_popescu: how do you prevent your system from going there ?

16:34:30 asciilifeform: wot at the packet route level.

16:36:56 asciilifeform: (or, question of how to prevent owners of large, expensive pipes - e.g., transatlantic - from charging for seats in wot? you don't, if you want them built & maintained, and this is approximately what they have now)

16:41:18 BingoBoingo: qntra write up coming http://blog.blockchain.com/2014/12/08/blockchain-info-security-disclosure/

16:41:20 assbot: Blockchain.info Security Disclosure | Blockchain Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7jiHS )

16:44:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not quite.

16:46:19 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/nsfw-aus-dem-leben-der-marionetten/ << neone seen this one ? it's not so bad.

16:46:20 assbot: [NSFW] Aus Dem Leben Der Marionetten pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yHUvYK )

16:58:17 Pierre_Rochard: !up iang_fc

16:58:34 Pierre_Rochard: iang_fc: welcome to #bitcoin-assets

16:59:17 mircea_popescu: ello./

16:59:17 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/david-blishen.htm << flondor nominee ?

16:59:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7lkaS )

16:59:18 Pierre_Rochard: background for those of us not on twitter: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/541999761684201472

16:59:20 assbot: This is the largest investment in a BTC company to date. http://t.co/MZl7B4Nj9F /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /Mircea_Popescu /hashtag/MPEx?src=hash

17:02:20 fluffypony: well I guess he struggles with the interwebs

17:02:27 asciilifeform: jurov: you were probably thinking of the ancient classic: http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

17:02:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7lG1g )

17:02:28 fluffypony: no wonder he says we should ditch PGP

17:04:22 asciilifeform: '1. ditch PGP, it's a millstone.' << leper is ringing his bell. thank him and cross the street to avoid contagion

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17:05:37 Pierre_Rochard: !b 1

17:08:40 jurov: asciilifeform: on one side we explain to everyone how wot ratings are to be manually examined and not rating or similar number used... on other side you consider rating suitable for routing priority?

17:09:05 jurov: *and not cumulative rating...

17:09:27 asciilifeform: where every packet knows who paid for it << those who imagine a wot-routing based net as a rent-seekers' paradise are mistaken. it is today's net that is a rent-seeker's paradise, where folks who cannot abide ddos must buy bandwidth in vast excess of their normal needs

17:09:40 jurov: so how do you imagine_

17:10:11 *: mircea_popescu sees his name mentioned, goes to see wtf.

17:10:28 jurov: any wot that can be collapsed down to one number can and will be abused

17:10:40 mircea_popescu: "as it's what I built & delivered 18 years back ;-)" o that's nice.

17:10:48 mircea_popescu: link ?

17:10:48 asciilifeform: jurov: perhaps i ought to have explained. not wot in the sense of numerics

17:10:53 mircea_popescu: o wait, he left. heh mk.

17:11:16 asciilifeform: jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-11-2014#931948

17:11:16 assbot: Logged on 23-11-2014 05:11:53; asciilifeform: a 4096-bit rsa signature and key fp fit handily in a udp minimal packet.

17:11:40 asciilifeform: jurov: a 'wot-enabled' router will simply prioritize, say, udp packets signed with particular keys

17:11:43 mircea_popescu: dude how is it that all these dudes with wild historicity claims fail to back them up ?

17:12:00 mircea_popescu: i recall that "badon effect" dude reducing his "2004" to "2012" on the first cursory examination.

17:12:05 asciilifeform: (and - optionally - drop others, if congestion sensors are tripped)

17:12:30 mircea_popescu: jurov i imagine he just wants a more continuous bgp arrangement.

17:12:39 jurov: how will router determine? ;;gettrust self source?

17:12:42 mircea_popescu: rather than the very discrete "either you're in or out of the group" thing

17:13:08 asciilifeform: what i want can be approximately described as 'internet that does not operate on the rivers of meat principle'

17:13:14 asciilifeform: that is, explicitly anti-democratic.

17:13:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but still used by rivers of meat ?

17:13:33 asciilifeform: used by the users.

17:13:35 jurov: "will simply prioritize, say, udp packets signed with particular keys" sounds to me exactly like "either you're in or out of the group"

17:13:36 asciilifeform: elementarily.

17:13:39 mircea_popescu: answer the q lol.

17:13:49 mircea_popescu: jurov yes but more layers to the group.

17:14:04 mircea_popescu: currently the way it works is however many people can route you in or out. and that's that.

17:14:14 mircea_popescu: (so not wanting to relive the experience of the cabal they mostly don't use it)

17:14:17 asciilifeform: used by potentially anyone, but 'deadheads' (non-wot folks) will ride in the back of the bus at all times.

17:14:32 mircea_popescu: his idea would allow layers to work better.

17:16:18 asciilifeform: i'll spill the beans, if somebody wants to reimplement. basic unit of transmission is 'raptor code' over udp. hence - connectionless.

17:17:14 asciilifeform: thus every packet identifies what pubkey (i.e. who signed) and what particular fountain it belongs to (what's a fountain? see definition of 'raptor' and other 'fountain' erasure codes)

17:17:16 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/blockchain-info-discloses-vulnerability-window/

17:18:11 asciilifeform: parameters of raptorcode can be tweaked depending on noise floor values (e.g. shortwave in the apocalyptic wasteland requires more 'leg room' than comfortable modern net under ideal peacetime conditions)

17:20:47 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.msg9774894#msg9774894

17:20:48 assbot: Reused R values again ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7nNlJ )

17:21:59 mircea_popescu: this will be a nightmare for gaming.

17:22:14 asciilifeform: gaming already uses udp

17:22:41 asciilifeform: just, sans signatures (or erasure code or any mechanism whatsoever for reliable delivery)

17:22:41 mircea_popescu: low latency tho.

17:23:04 asciilifeform: my scheme, given hardware acceleration for the signer & erasure decoder, is as low latency as it gets

17:23:23 asciilifeform: thing is, with a code like raptor, -order- of packets no longer matters

17:23:29 asciilifeform: it's a pure k-of-n decode

17:24:03 xanthyos: asciilifeform: were you ever into packet terminal on ham radio?

17:24:09 asciilifeform: anyone who wants to do this - can go do. vita brevis.

17:24:13 asciilifeform: xanthyos: nope.

17:24:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo heh counterparty eh ?

17:24:43 mircea_popescu: qntra!

17:24:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hm.

17:25:32 asciilifeform: anyone who wonders why this was never done... answer - uses mathematics that did not exist when the net was built (reed-solomon existed, yes! but quite inefficient)

17:26:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, the derps derped about their webwallets on blockchain.info being safe. In the end it was blockchain.info that fucked them.

17:26:54 mircea_popescu: "There seems to be a new buggy program that reuses the same R value for all signatures in a transaction. It started around September 2014"

17:27:34 mircea_popescu: "Note that the addresses that appear only in the second list still may be in danger, e.g., if they stem from a BIP32 wallet and one knows the "xpub" public key."

17:27:49 mircea_popescu: specifically, this gives the lie, exemplarily, to "oh, bip32 poses no threat to your security"

17:27:55 mircea_popescu: it does. practical proof here.

17:28:07 asciilifeform: the lie was obvious to an alert first-grader.

17:29:19 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, we're surrounded by women.

17:29:25 mircea_popescu: and women aren't gradable.

17:29:29 asciilifeform: ?!

17:29:35 asciilifeform: women or 'women'

17:29:47 asciilifeform: i.e. eunuchs

17:30:06 *: asciilifeform is somewhat befuddled by mircea_popescu's habit of referring to eunuchs as 'women'

17:30:22 mircea_popescu: why ?

17:31:03 asciilifeform: for the same reason that a man who has freshly lost his head in the guillotine is not 'the headless horseman'

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17:31:18 BingoBoingo: !b 3

17:31:29 asciilifeform: and, conversely, one who had a second head sewn on by a demented vivisectionist is not a Yottin

17:31:54 mircea_popescu: functionally the same.

17:32:02 asciilifeform: l0l!

17:32:11 *: asciilifeform 'doesn't swing that way', can't really agree

17:32:51 asciilifeform: at any rate, it's confusing as hell to n00bs, i imagine

17:32:51 mircea_popescu: but in this line of thinking you're baking in ulterior considerations into an anterior branch of the thought tree.

17:32:53 mircea_popescu: not how it's supposed to be done.

17:32:56 mircea_popescu: so ?

17:33:03 mircea_popescu: let em figure things out.

17:33:28 mircea_popescu: plurisemy and syntactico-lexical ambiguity are the actual reasons language is an adequate medium of thought,

17:33:29 asciilifeform: ulterior << not even buying the 'they work precisely alike if you don't attempt to fuck'em' hypothesis

17:33:32 mircea_popescu: where code is not.

17:33:34 asciilifeform: unless i'm seriously missing something

17:33:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose you are to deliver cattle.

17:33:53 mircea_popescu: suppose buyer also takes goats.

17:33:59 mircea_popescu: "goats aren't cattle" ?

17:34:24 asciilifeform: more of a 'steer is not functionally identical to a cow' sort of thing here.

17:34:54 mircea_popescu: if i'm sending it to the mcdonalds factory it might be.

17:35:01 mircea_popescu: otherwise, no cow is identical to any other cow.

17:35:02 asciilifeform: meat processing experts - chime in

17:35:06 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> more of a 'steer is not functionally identical to a cow' sort of thing here. << WHen collected for meat it is

17:35:32 mircea_popescu: here's the thing : bug parts are functionally identical to rice,

17:35:39 mircea_popescu: provided there's not more than 50 ppm of them.

17:35:42 mircea_popescu: the fda says so!

17:35:57 asciilifeform: the upper limit - shall be found experimentally. this - we know.

17:36:10 asciilifeform: possibly it is 100%. given the correct reprocessor.

17:37:33 mircea_popescu: so. obviously for the needs of your own bed you may employ whatever perverse criteria.

17:37:44 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the entire content of chumpatron X is going to be x.

17:38:01 mircea_popescu: all people in prison - prisoners. whether "guilty" or "innocent". all those in the insane asylum - insane.

17:38:02 mircea_popescu: on it goes.

17:38:45 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/hashfast-or-why-the-fiat-legal-system-doesnt-actually-exist-and-doesnt-actually-matter/

17:38:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ also see first note there, oddly on point.

17:41:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://yarchive.net/med/social_osteoporosis.html << related hypothesis

17:41:02 assbot: Social osteoporosis (Steven B. Harris, M.D.) ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7pYWg )

17:43:00 ben_vulpes: re bug parts and rice have y'all heard about the cockroach protein farms in china?

17:44:01 mircea_popescu: myeah. one step above shrimp amirite

17:44:08 asciilifeform: 'land shrimp'

17:44:17 asciilifeform: favourite of downed pilots around the world.

17:50:07 mircea_popescu: "a horrid sort of gossipy social activism" o ya.

17:51:39 mircea_popescu: social osteoporosis. quite apt.

17:53:33 mircea_popescu: "tern Daddy-goverment, wars and prisons and all, I

17:53:33 mircea_popescu: reflect that it's too bad we gave anyone over 40 the vote" <<< for what it's worth, this is a woesome misrepresentation of the male. it's the beta male fighing for cotnrol, about as relevant in the discussion as the fat female fighting for reproductive equality.

17:53:40 mircea_popescu: !up BitLuckInfo

17:54:46 asciilifeform: zoological discussion tends to be about the organisms that 'make the weather' - most numerous or at least, most detectable

17:55:13 mircea_popescu: by this token a discussion of primitive village demographics will center on the visible males

17:55:25 mircea_popescu: whereas the chieftain fathers 50% of the actual offspring on a regular basis.

17:55:59 *: asciilifeform did not know that this was a secret

17:56:32 asciilifeform: not even unusually high in mammalian world alone - consider, e.g., elephant seal

17:56:52 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/nsfw-tigancusa-spune-drept/ let

17:56:53 assbot: [NSFW] Tigancusa, spune drept... pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjfAsA )

17:56:59 mircea_popescu: 's instead consider the underclass teenaged female.

17:57:02 mircea_popescu: shapelier.

17:57:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16423 @ 0.00053474 = 8.782 BTC [+] {2}

17:57:14 asciilifeform: lol

17:57:14 asciilifeform: sure of this ?

17:57:24 asciilifeform: (not where i live, they aren't!)

17:58:16 mircea_popescu: well fwis.

17:58:41 mircea_popescu: * BitLuckInfo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) << you know this makes me feel a lot better about giving out voice / ratings to noobs.

17:58:48 mircea_popescu: how many failed to get in today, 3 ? 5 ?

17:59:30 asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone bothered to read the packet dump i posted a while ago, they should know that the ddos bot uses misconfigured consumer routers (upnp reflection)

17:59:37 asciilifeform: and anyone who wishes can walk away with them.

17:59:52 mircea_popescu: kinda the point lol.

18:00:01 asciilifeform: (they aren't 'pwned' in the traditional - permanent - sense)

18:00:18 mircea_popescu: i wish to see the noob that does that, rather than coming in here trying to derp about how "they did it 18 years ago"

18:00:59 asciilifeform: nothing stops anyone reading this from firing up 'tcpdump', logging uncloaked into #b-a a few hundred times, grabbing a dump similar to my own but more complete, and pointing the idiot boxes at, e.g., 'reddit' 24/7/365.

18:01:07 asciilifeform: until they all get booted by respective isp

18:01:56 mircea_popescu: indeed.

18:02:43 *: asciilifeform always thought even a chimp could follow his recipes. what does he need to add, pictures? voices? music?

18:03:02 mircea_popescu: you need to add not caring :D

18:03:37 *: asciilifeform possesses an infinite supply of not-caring-juice

18:04:08 mircea_popescu: let 'em figure it out. the stuff's there, they may, eventually they will, who cares.

18:04:21 mircea_popescu: tits.

18:05:22 mircea_popescu: http://www.danielalepus.ro/danielalepus_ro_database.sql << meanwhile some more lol

18:05:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zji89W )

18:06:04 ben_vulpes: nothing but time and incentive.

18:06:42 asciilifeform: the smell of rotting corpse of enemy not incentive ?

18:06:49 asciilifeform: not incentive enough ?

18:07:24 ben_vulpes: what's the market telling you?

18:07:32 mircea_popescu: you srsly think reddit is relevant in that sense ?

18:07:44 asciilifeform: 'reddit' used as example

18:07:56 ben_vulpes: and in what sense does redirecting a ddos actually lead to a rotting corpse?

18:08:35 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you want the entire recipe that leads to proper corpse, you will have to derive it yourself

18:09:26 mircea_popescu: no but seriously, so through this or any other million ways one so inclined could create a ddos network. ok, so ?

18:09:26 asciilifeform: for now may settle for the classical 'if you sit by the river long enough, you'll see the body of your enemy float by.'

18:09:51 asciilifeform: point is not to create ddos, but to swat a mosquito

18:09:57 mircea_popescu: seems to me more like discussing @ cavalry officer's mess all about how there's a bunch of reeds on a riverside "free for the taking"

18:10:02 mircea_popescu: "and they'd make excellent stickhorses!"

18:10:05 mircea_popescu: well... ok ?

18:10:08 asciilifeform: mosquito flies around #b-a annoyingly, and no one swats. i found this odd.

18:10:28 mircea_popescu: im still trying to find the annoying part.

18:10:46 asciilifeform: well, someone not long ago tried to invite a n00b to #b-a

18:10:53 asciilifeform: neglecting to mention the surprise

18:11:08 mircea_popescu: but the noob was an online expert. he'll figure it out.

18:11:12 asciilifeform: lol

18:11:44 mircea_popescu: because the sort of people who "invented it all 18 years ago" tend (in my experience at least) to also be the sort that won't have their venues limited by kids with fiddy routers.

18:12:00 mircea_popescu: i could of course be entirely wrong, maybe he's really a woman and needs special encouragement to "participate".

18:12:04 *: asciilifeform missing the reference to the '18 years'

18:12:16 asciilifeform: is this another '3 ani experienta' ?

18:12:38 mircea_popescu: it's in danielpbarron link lemme fish it

18:13:09 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/iang_fc/status/541987415997841408

18:13:10 assbot: This is the largest investment in a BTC company to date. http://t.co/MZl7B4Nj9F /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /Mircea_Popescu /hashtag/MPEx?src=hash

18:13:18 asciilifeform: aha! that one

18:13:57 mircea_popescu: well that was it no ?

18:14:06 asciilifeform: 'it was what i built and delivered' minus pgp, minus xxx, yyy, hell knows how many details that looked like 'irrelevant hair' to the imbecile

18:14:08 asciilifeform: !s blub

18:14:09 assbot: 2 results for 'blub' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blub

18:14:31 mircea_popescu: * iang_fc (ae3f267d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.63.38.125) has joined #bitcoin-assets <

18:15:19 *: adlai just got approval to work in lisp

18:15:32 adlai: speaking of blub :D

18:15:36 asciilifeform: approval from whom?

18:15:38 asciilifeform: lizard hitler ?

18:15:46 fluffypony: steve jobs' ghost

18:16:15 adlai: fons pecunia

18:16:54 mircea_popescu: lol

18:18:01 asciilifeform: 'You can buy the assets of an ASIC miner company for the eminently NOT lowball offer of 20k' (from mircea_popescu's article) << let's guess. fabless asic co. ?

18:18:44 asciilifeform: if fabless, they owned what? a set of masks, that an undergrad could easily cough up at this point? a list of peculiarly gullible chumps? - anyone with a net connection can regenerate that oen

18:18:46 asciilifeform: *one

18:18:56 asciilifeform: so what's the asset that is even worth the 20 tonnes usd ?

18:19:24 asciilifeform: (walketh there, upon the greene earth, a non-fabless mining asic co?)

18:19:39 asciilifeform: ^ other than ft. meade

18:21:12 mircea_popescu: they're all fabless.

18:21:20 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i have a present for you!

18:21:21 mircea_popescu: and it owned... you know. valuable shit. like all of 'em.

18:21:25 mircea_popescu: what's bitpay worth 300mn for ?

18:22:41 thestringpuller: bitpay is valued at 300mn now?

18:22:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what is the skepter of lizard hitler worth? the 300mn is simply the figure usg saw fit to write into the work of fiction

18:22:57 asciilifeform: they could as easily write 300, 30, or 3e-10

18:24:41 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: present << a defunct fabless asic co? you can keep that one

18:25:03 asciilifeform: or give to city dogcatcher, it's for the soap boilers

18:26:51 asciilifeform: (re: miner asics: anyone who gives a damn can find, in #b-a logs, my reasonably well-supported hypothesis that miner asic never actually -happened.- that is, there are devices, and they - approximately - work, but they are not 'asics' in the traditional sense. more 'hardcopy fpga.' - actual term of art)

18:27:11 asciilifeform: aka 'structured asic'

18:28:12 asciilifeform: these have approximately the same relationship with 'proper' asic as 'visual basic' turdware has with traditional computer program by reasonably-competent student of 'c'.

18:28:29 punkman: re: iang_fc http://www.systemics.com/products.html

18:28:30 assbot: Systemics - Products ... ( http://bit.ly/1zjpvOP )

18:28:53 asciilifeform: 'hushmail' << checkmate

18:29:14 asciilifeform: damnatio memoriae.

18:30:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6421 @ 0.00053306 = 3.4228 BTC [-] {2}

18:55:40 mats: TSLA tumbles another 4%

18:55:47 fluffypony: clickbaitz

18:55:47 fluffypony: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/12/mysterious-politician-steps-in-to-buy-bitcoin-startup-hashfasts-assets/

18:55:48 assbot: Mysterious politician steps in to buy Bitcoin startup HashFast’s assets | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1z08yaQ )

18:57:01 fluffypony: although this is lulzy -

18:57:13 fluffypony: 'Such a move baffled the veteran bankruptcy judge, Dennis Montali. "What troubled me was to read that Mr. Ochoa will allow the debtor to buy mining boards?" he said from the bench. "This is like a patient that is going to die from three different things and now you're suggesting a fourth surgery," he added. "Now they want to do a hip transplant? Why?"'

19:04:07 asciilifeform: re: bankrupt: obligatory naggum:

19:04:08 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3199109843356887@naggum.net.html

19:04:09 assbot: Re: ...and even for those _NOT_ interested... - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1z09c8y )

19:04:41 asciilifeform: 'companies that go bankrupt are a danger to healthy competition. They are able to make their creditors and shareholders pay for their losses and bad management and then to start anew with assets that they essentially got for free, quite unlike the competition that has not gone bankrupt, who have to pay full price for their assets, but quite similar to how their customers have wanted their products, for too little money.'

19:30:34 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: nah but a hint, the present is driven by this chip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricoh_5A22

19:31:54 fluffypony: lol

19:32:14 fluffypony: not the Gameboy cpu?

19:34:07 thestringpuller: lol

19:34:13 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

19:34:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 366.78, Best ask: 367.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 367.01, 24 hour volume: 8639.23100628, 24 hour low: 365.25, 24 hour high: 377.5, 24 hour vwap: 369.680083909

19:37:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14896 @ 0.00053056 = 7.9032 BTC [-] {2}

19:44:23 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> aka 'structured asic' <<< this was true last year. meanwhile tho... look at the hash per power figures.

19:48:03 thestringpuller: ;;nethash

19:48:03 gribble: 279536224.11

19:48:17 thestringpuller: interessant mon ami

19:49:36 thestringpuller: meanwhile http://www.shitexpress.com/blog/how-we-earned-10120-usd-in-30-days-by-sending-horse-poop-to-people-amazing-kickstart-of-a-marketing-experiment/?bitcoin

19:49:36 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

19:55:10 *: TomServo highfives assbot.

19:55:46 rithm: that shitexpress blog post gets my vote for blog post of the year

19:55:51 rithm: so HN worthy

19:56:41 mircea_popescu: "Anyone who plans to waste the shareholders' money can undercut the competition. The easiest thing in the world is to charge too little, it is just as easy as spending too much of other people's money. Customers will flock to those who do because they are giving away some, if not all, of the value for free. Somebody may even pick up the underpriced goods and sell them at a profit when the stupid company ceases to ex

19:56:41 mircea_popescu: ist or raises prices to try to survive after all."

19:56:51 mircea_popescu: pretty great. ima save five gallons of twitter for a few years ?

19:57:01 mircea_popescu: wtf does this work when the "value" given away isn't even worth anything.

19:59:36 mthreat: https://coedtoplesspulpfiction.wordpress.com/

19:59:38 assbot: The Outdoor Co-ed Topless Pulp Fiction Appreciation Society | Burn Bras, Not Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0b2eI )

20:02:17 mircea_popescu: mthreat sent them an email inviting them to participate in teh http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/

20:02:17 assbot: I'll pay for your tits pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D0bs4I )

20:02:17 mircea_popescu: curious if this goes anywhere.

20:15:10 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation http://fraudsters.com/2013/and-now-i-shall-be-off-scarfing-smoked-salmon-and-fresh-apple-pie-seasoned-with-free-market-tears-or-why-a-collection-of-confused-retards-does-not-amount-to-a-free-market/#footnote_0_49891 << prolly relevant to your interests.

20:15:10 assbot: And now I shall be off scarfing smoked salmon and fresh apple pie seasoned with free market tears, or Why a collection of confused retards does not amount to a free market. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ywDtJd )

20:15:10 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:23:11 thestringpuller:

20:23:16 thestringpuller: oops

20:30:56 thestringpuller: ~>

20:30:58 thestringpuller: ~>

20:41:33 mats: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/E5NU7nXx and as for subtext, idk that there is any ... the man is powerful and developing a young woman, and wants people at the hotel to know it.

20:41:34 assbot: A young tigress is waiting in line at the bus station. Up on her high heels, eye - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1s54dUr )

20:48:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00053071 = 1.4595 BTC [+]

21:22:52 asciilifeform: look at the hash per power figures << who wants to share a link to an experimenter they trust, with valid measurements? because why would i believe a word that ever came out of the manufacturers' mouths (proven liars, to a man, afaik)

21:23:37 asciilifeform: 'nethash' may give one side of the equation (hash), but other (power) remains a mystery

21:25:12 asciilifeform: incidentally, the one time i saw an asic miner of any sort alive, personally (it belonged to a colleague) its actual 'hash/watt' was quite impossible to ascertain - worked, let's put it charitably, rather inconsistently

21:25:45 asciilifeform: i.e. 'k out of n cores most of the time, but we promise that with next fw update xxxxxxx [some horseshit]' etc

21:26:53 assbot: The20YearIRCloud +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -2

21:27:10 TomServo: !up The20YearIRCloud

21:27:18 The20YearIRCloud: Wjat

21:27:22 The20YearIRCloud: WHat's the trust command?

21:27:25 asciilifeform: (i've quite forgotten, mercifully, what precisely the thing was. large rack-mount apparatus, that drew ~20 amperes at 120 v.ac. mains.)

21:27:30 asciilifeform: perhaps diametric remembers

21:27:41 mats: ;;gettrust The20YearIRCloud assbot

21:27:41 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user The20YearIRCloud to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=The20YearIRCloud&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

21:27:45 TomServo: ;;gettrust assbot The20YearIRCloud

21:27:46 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user The20YearIRCloud: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=The20YearIRCloud | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=The20YearIRCloud | Rated since: never

21:28:29 mats: ;;ident The20YearIRCloud

21:28:29 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'The20YearIRCloud', with hostmask 'The20YearIRCloud!uid38883@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktibawvxckycpvip', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None

21:28:44 TomServo: ;;gettrust assbot The20Year

21:28:44 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask The20YearIRCloud!uid38883@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ktibawvxckycpvip. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user The20Year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=The20Year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=The20Year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 (1 more message)

21:28:47 The20YearIRCloud: Hmm

21:28:59 mats: you have been banished from the island

21:29:14 The20YearIRCloud: Guess so

21:29:15 The20YearIRCloud: Oh well

21:30:07 The20YearIRCloud: So far i've given out 8 posters, so far no one has cashed them in, go figure

21:30:22 The20YearIRCloud: Granted none of my renters have PC and none can figure out how to do it via mobile phone

21:32:14 The20YearIRCloud: But if you want to retaliate at me for my tenants not cashing in the posters.....then so be it. I've tried to do my part in educating them about bitcoin, how to cash them in and so forth. I realize the print cost for the posters was paid out by someone. But I don't understand why you're getting mad at ME over it.

21:32:35 TomServo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2014#936968

21:32:35 assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 12:56:26; nubbins`: mircea_popescu:well if he did nubbins has some 'splainin' to do lol. <<< nope, in fact, i am also mildly perturbed by the fact that i mailed over $4,000 of goods to the guy and we didn't even get a couple measly pictures out of it

21:32:50 fluffypony: did you at least teach them the secret handshake?

21:33:47 The20YearIRCloud: I've explained for 5-10 minutes per tenant how it worked, to go on IRCwebchat, and to cash them in. I still have the 42 or so left over still sitting in my closet. I can mail em back to someone if they want. Howver i don't know what I am supposed to do if no one follows my directions or the ones on the posters.

21:34:19 The20YearIRCloud: I told them they'd get $35-$40 worth of bitcoins for free, and all it would do is take at worst an hour of their time, at best 5 minutes.

21:35:04 jurov: i'd be eager to try one myself, with some phto documentation.. or that was verboten?

21:35:20 The20YearIRCloud: Heck, i gave two out to guys who worked for me, and I know for a fact they're dead broke and they still couldn't figure out how to do it.

21:35:32 The20YearIRCloud: And that was the last part of October

21:35:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00051884 = 14.32 BTC [-] {2}

21:37:04 The20YearIRCloud: I had told MP that it would have been a much, much better process if I ran a contest or something locally for the posters, that way they would have gone to houses where they wanted them or were higher educated. Yet i even had one tenant flat out refuse the poster after I put in their hands because it was 'too complicated' and 'all we have is a nintendo wii

21:37:04 The20YearIRCloud: and it doesn't do that stuff'.

21:39:34 The20YearIRCloud: Maybe I could give mircea_popescu their phone numbers and he could call em and ask them why? What the heck is expected of me beyond explaining to them how to do it and giving them the poster? Am I expected to spend a hour getting them on IRC and doing it all for them?

21:46:31 mircea_popescu: mats pls to put in comment at article tho. pastebins expire etc.

21:47:34 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://bitbet.us/bet/520/bitfury-eu-august-orders-will-ship-before-1st/ << dja take that in proof ?

21:47:35 assbot: BitBet - Bitfury EU August orders will ship before 1st September 2013 :: 14.16 B (57%) on Yes, 10.82 B (43%) on No | closed 1 year 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1wUaTGn )

21:47:39 mircea_popescu: ~1gh/w

21:48:19 The20YearIRCloud: Well, two of the posters look to have disappeared, i texted the guys who had em and it looks like after I put em in their work truck they went away or something.

21:48:24 mircea_popescu: (i know they failed on that power thoroughput specifically, but it's a year old+ bet. it actually improved meanwhile)

21:49:02 jurov: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/december/04/reckless-congress-declares-war-on-russia/ they insist :(

21:49:05 assbot: The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Reckless Congress 'Declares War' on Russia ... ( http://bit.ly/1wUbbgf )

21:49:06 The20YearIRCloud: I'm going back and texting those who got them asking for speciifc explanation on why they didn't cash them in.

21:49:44 mircea_popescu: by now it's roughly, give or take, 1gh/watt.

21:50:29 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud well nothing's specifically expected from you, that;s the problem with statistics.

21:51:08 mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of "retaliating" or w/e.

21:51:10 The20YearIRCloud: I'm asking you what you want me to do when I've given 8 to clients/tenants and none have cashed them in. I've got a negative rating from you over it, so i wouldn't mind resolving it if at all possible.

21:51:47 fluffypony: I still think you should've taught them the secret handshake, problem solved

21:52:16 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i dun want you to do anything specifically.

21:52:36 mircea_popescu: what do you want *me* to do.

21:53:06 The20YearIRCloud: Explain why I have a negative rating mentioning the posters. What else am I supposed to do with them?

21:53:17 mircea_popescu: <jurov> i'd be eager to try one myself, with some phto documentation.. or that was verboten? << try what you mean ?

21:53:32 jurov: the poster

21:53:41 jurov: cash it in

21:53:51 mircea_popescu: jurov nah, that's done.

21:54:07 The20YearIRCloud: They didn't have coupon codes on them, just instructions

21:54:13 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud looky at what it says. "If you believe him you're stuck crediting a large pile of very improbable things, such as that no one out of dozen low income renters is interested in cashing ~50 bux worth of free BTC, or that buyers somehow materialize on Havelock to buy shares at 2x the going price for a single IPO day."

21:54:16 The20YearIRCloud: At least, i'm not aware of any codes on them, if there were, they weren't obvious.

21:54:23 mircea_popescu: now, these are facts.

21:54:52 mircea_popescu: what exactly caused them, how they're to be construed etc etc is entirely open to anyone's interpretation.

21:55:09 The20YearIRCloud: And I get a negative rating over their lack of effort

21:55:53 mircea_popescu: no, you get a negative rating the same way anyone ever did : by making a large enough pile of claims improbable enough.

21:56:15 The20YearIRCloud: What do you think I did with the posters? Just put em in a closet to have to resell some day in the future?

21:57:22 fluffypony: giant paper airplanes, most likely

21:57:33 mircea_popescu: i have no idea dood. how would i know.

21:58:12 mike_c: !up The20YearIRCloud

21:59:35 The20YearIRCloud: So, in other words : I did what was requested of me with the posters, I get neg repped for them. I did what my shareholders wanted by selling them more treasury shares at a specific USD value, I get neg repped for it. In both cases I did what was asked of me, with proof (Phone numbers and shareholders on my IRC chat) and still get negative rep because of it?

21:59:35 The20YearIRCloud: Doesn't make sense to me.

22:00:25 mircea_popescu: so your sworn testimony here is that out of however many tenants, not one has a working smartphone ? or what is it ? computers don't really so much enter into it as far as i can see.

22:00:42 mike_c: do you see why it would look weird for you to sell shares at an inflated price when your investors could have bought them cheaper on the open market?

22:00:52 The20YearIRCloud: Most of em have working smart phones, their statement to me was that they couldn't figure out how to get on IRC.

22:01:22 The20YearIRCloud: mike_c: they wanted to invest more cash directly in the company that would go to our bank, and not buy shares from individuals on the open market.

22:01:47 TomServo: I'd think your average low income earner would bend over backwards for fiddy bux.

22:02:15 The20YearIRCloud: You'd think so.

22:03:04 mike_c: The20YearIRCloud: do you list the address of your properties anywhere?

22:03:16 The20YearIRCloud: I've already sent messages out to those that i gave em to asking for a reasoning to them not cashing em in. Two guys have already told me they never got em even after I put em in their vehicles.

22:03:34 The20YearIRCloud: It's not public but if someone REALLY wanted em, i'd make the properties & deeds available. Around last year I gave mircea_popescu deed copies of 2 or 3 of the properties.

22:03:59 The20YearIRCloud: Our board of advisors has copies of our deeds and bank statements.

22:04:51 mircea_popescu: umm.

22:05:52 mircea_popescu: i remember you promising to put your deeds online but not carrying through. i dun recall this "given me" deeds.

22:05:59 mircea_popescu: nfi why i wouldn't have said something at the time, either.

22:06:19 The20YearIRCloud: I sent you to landaccess.com and showed you how to look up TIF copies

22:06:37 The20YearIRCloud: Since everything is in the company name and the deeds are publically available.

22:06:54 mircea_popescu: which nick was this ?

22:07:00 The20YearIRCloud: it was either this one or the20year

22:07:20 mircea_popescu: ;;isup landaccess.com

22:07:20 gribble: landaccess.com is down

22:07:20 mircea_popescu: that the right url ?

22:07:39 The20YearIRCloud: I think they require a www. on the name

22:07:56 The20YearIRCloud: Shows that it's up for me

22:08:21 mircea_popescu: lmao the www thing still an issue on teh webs huh.

22:08:47 The20YearIRCloud: It is with a rural area like ours.

22:08:49 dub: its not a proper website without!@

22:09:03 The20YearIRCloud: We had a whole conversation about how we use deeds in Ohio and not torrens titles

22:09:26 The20YearIRCloud: You can also use the auditor to try and look up the data ,but depending on the county, some auditors are more than a year behind on their record updates.

22:09:50 dub: wow

22:10:10 dub: is it 2014 in Ohio?

22:10:23 The20YearIRCloud: Depends on the county

22:10:24 mircea_popescu: grep -n "landaccess" FreeNode-the20yearircloud.log FreeNode-the20year.log comes up emtpy.

22:10:29 mircea_popescu: musta been a diff nick.

22:10:34 The20YearIRCloud: There are counties near us that do not have online access outside of the office specific intranet. You have to call and ask for emails.

22:10:47 The20YearIRCloud: Possibly, it would have been via PM and not chat log

22:10:54 mircea_popescu: all pms are logged.

22:11:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, im pretty sure i never actually evaluated either the site involved or w/e it contained. im entirely unsure why is this not public again ?

22:11:42 mircea_popescu: how's property register work other than as a public matter.

22:11:49 The20YearIRCloud: Those are the only two I can think of that i'd use. At any rate I just sent you links to two different auditors, between those two there's 10 different units.

22:12:11 The20YearIRCloud: Because I had threats 6 months back from people online that they'd call the tenants and threaten em.

22:12:25 mircea_popescu: nuts.

22:12:50 dub: how does murica have unemployment with this insane inefficiency

22:13:04 The20YearIRCloud: Not sure

22:13:04 mircea_popescu: dub it only has unemployment in the cities :D

22:13:26 The20YearIRCloud: The same counties that are intra-net only have the entire county on one giant CAD file that's accurate to within a few centimeters

22:13:29 The20YearIRCloud: None of it really makes sense.

22:15:43 ben_vulpes: you can say that again

22:16:57 dub: I can grab basic detail of any property in my countRy from a single web GIS interface for free, its then $50 for complete records of every time someone farted near it

22:17:02 The20YearIRCloud: But, at any rate, the individuals on our BOA have access to bank records and property deeds/addresses. Additionally I've re-sent a link to MP just now showing one county's records on us.

22:17:36 The20YearIRCloud: Columbus Oh is like that, the records are fantastic, with additional property photos (not google earth/streetview ones) that the assessor has taken of each home in the county.

22:17:36 mircea_popescu: ;;ud boa

22:17:36 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BoA | A 17 year old Korean singer who has also learned to speak Japanese, Chinese, and English. Her name is acutally Kwon Boa. Currently has 4 Japanese a...

22:18:16 The20YearIRCloud: board of advisors. We built a committe that goes over all the company's financials and details once or twice a month.

22:18:31 mircea_popescu: well, any of 'em in the wot ?

22:19:17 The20YearIRCloud: I'll have to ask, our goal is to build personal profile pages with things like FB & linkedin profile pages, could include WoT data too.

22:20:04 The20YearIRCloud: Big thing has been to have em look over all the financial documents as we're filing taxes for 2014 next month and I didn't want to submit till they had a good idea of it.

22:21:12 *: asciilifeform can't resist any longer:

22:21:14 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2014#699078

22:21:14 assbot: Logged on 02-06-2014 18:30:38; mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cat

22:21:15 mircea_popescu: dub yeah but the us doesn't generally even have torrens deeds.

22:21:34 mircea_popescu: being the most democratically advanced democratic advancement.

22:21:34 asciilifeform: (from 'strategic superiority' article by mircea_popescu)

22:21:52 *: asciilifeform always wondered if 'rentalstarter' walks perilously close to the electric fence described therein

22:22:14 mircea_popescu: !up has-question

22:24:05 mircea_popescu: mats http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#comment-110501 but hey, props for first try.

22:24:05 assbot: The Romanian language for other people. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ0Tin )

22:26:40 mircea_popescu: jurov http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/media/2113/rpilogo-final.gif << doesn't this look sorta like a toilet bowl ?

22:26:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ1oZI )

22:26:59 jurov: to me it looks like deep decolt

22:27:22 jurov: decolletage

22:27:42 mircea_popescu: a nipple should be involved

22:28:11 jurov: how is that cut in the cloth called in english?

22:28:46 mircea_popescu: cleavage

22:28:54 mircea_popescu: also used for the skin itself tho.

22:29:13 jurov: ah

22:29:31 mircea_popescu: "Paragraph 16 of the resolution condemns Russia for selling arms to the Assad government in Syria. It does not mention, of course, that those weapons are going to fight ISIS ? which we claim is the enemy -- while the US weapons supplied to the rebels in Syria have actually found their way into the hands of ISIS!"

22:29:43 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha.

22:29:43 mircea_popescu: poor ron paul.

22:29:51 undata: I've met him a few times

22:30:04 mircea_popescu: i wonder what it's like, you know, man captive in the monkey cage @ zoo.

22:30:10 mircea_popescu: he's been stuck there what, 70 years ?

22:30:29 undata: I admire old cranky bastards that stick to their guns

22:30:48 mircea_popescu: sure.

22:31:09 mircea_popescu: "How does Congress get away with such blatant falsehoods? Do Members not even bother to read these resolutions before voting?"

22:31:25 mircea_popescu: in a word, members of congress aren't really that far above executive associates at jack in the box.

22:31:33 mircea_popescu: they just do what "their job is".

22:31:44 undata: poor guy thought the US myth was a real thing

22:32:45 mircea_popescu: apparently still does.

22:32:45 undata: reminds me of various family members... "if we'd only get back to the *constitution*!"

22:33:31 undata: the US constitution and laws resulted in this; this is therefore what a USA *does*

22:34:48 mircea_popescu: This dangerous legislation passed today, December 4, with only ten (!) votes against! Only ten legislators are concerned over the use of blatant propaganda and falsehoods to push such reckless saber-rattling toward Russia. Amash, Duncan, Grayson, Hastings, Jones, Massie, McDermott, Miller, O?Rourke, Rohrabacher.

22:36:19 mod6: those ten probably just hit the wrong voting button. margin of error or something.

22:37:08 mircea_popescu: ouch

22:37:12 undata: there are a small but nonzero amount of US politicians that are pro-market and anti-war

22:37:12 asciilifeform: !s ineducable

22:37:13 assbot: 1 results for 'ineducable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ineducable

22:37:16 mod6: i imagine these guys just sit there allday looking at pornhub and playing flappy bird on their new galaxy 5s IF they even show up to the session

22:37:25 undata: haha

22:39:20 asciilifeform: the hunchback will be straightened by his grave.

22:39:52 mircea_popescu: !up badon

22:39:52 punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2onm5r/blockchaininfo_security_disclosure/cmosxbw

22:40:53 undata: I think one of Ron Paul's best thoughts was to allow competition of currencies

22:42:00 undata: this was well before bitcoin

22:43:06 asciilifeform: bci << assuming story is genuine, betcha folks will still make glassy eyes 'wtf, academic' when told about rng and ecdsa nonces

22:44:07 mircea_popescu: good for em lol.

22:44:08 asciilifeform: 'what you don't know, won't hurt you. it will only decapitate you in one bite and eat the carcass for lunch.'

22:44:34 asciilifeform: !s cold equations

22:44:35 assbot: 10 results for 'cold equations' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cold+equations

22:45:59 asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2onm5r/blockchaininfo_security_disclosure/cmotm6w

22:46:01 assbot: buddhamangler comments on Blockchain.info Security Disclosure ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ4KMp )

22:46:18 punkman: BingoBoingo: apparently not fixed yet https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.msg9778074#msg9778074

22:46:18 assbot: Reused R values again ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ4NaZ )

22:47:24 asciilifeform: how is a safety-critical, rng-dependent process living in a www browser again ?

22:47:27 asciilifeform: or dare i even ask.

22:47:47 asciilifeform: (when first heard of this scandal, assumed it was a server-side snafu)

22:48:01 punkman: this joehoe guy made a nice sum today

22:49:34 punkman: "Dude you took from my address, I was saving up for my family for christmas and you went and stolen it this morning.. Please have the heart to give it back, PMing you now"

22:50:02 punkman: I hope he doesn't give anything back

22:50:02 mircea_popescu: heh.

22:50:07 mircea_popescu: "went and stolen" eh. shoulda saved for school.

22:50:24 punkman: "One of these address' is mine, can you place contact me, I can provide proof with screen shots or teamview."

22:50:34 mircea_popescu: holy shit already.

22:50:49 undata: please thief, have a heart!

22:50:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, that's the future. fucking teamviewer.

22:50:52 punkman: ;;seen dimsler

22:51:03 undata: save christmas!

22:51:03 gribble: dimsler was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <Dimsler> lol

22:51:03 undata: man I hate people

22:51:09 mircea_popescu: what the us ~~~citizen~~~ expects of its government, after the tsa-at-airport free masturbation test drive

22:51:11 punkman: last quote was from a "dimsler"

22:51:20 mircea_popescu: is to play the teamviewer bdsm mistress for free.

22:51:20 asciilifeform: should've saved for burial.

22:51:25 asciilifeform: as such - biodiesel candidate.

22:51:36 mircea_popescu: there's going to be a special agency specialised in giving orders to random derps via teamviewer.

22:51:47 mircea_popescu: "take off your clothes. jack off. vote this on reddit."

22:51:51 asciilifeform: 'teamviewer'? 'back orifice' circa 1999 is back !?

22:51:51 mircea_popescu: ITD BE EASIER

22:52:06 mircea_popescu: teamviewer is its own kind of braindamage.

22:52:26 asciilifeform: from the last article mentioning it - appears to be exactly 'back orifice'

22:52:27 undata: stuff like that is installed on every "point of sale" system on earth, too

22:52:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, gui.

22:52:47 asciilifeform: bo had gui!

22:52:48 undata: by people who think having your network use static IPs is more secure

22:52:54 mircea_popescu: o it did ? thjen nm me

22:52:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5683 @ 0.0005079 = 2.8864 BTC [-]

22:53:11 asciilifeform: but, as i understood, backorifice was thought to be obsolete since xp ver. 3 when microshit baked it right into winblows

22:53:19 mircea_popescu: lol

22:53:23 asciilifeform: (yes, it did 'remote admin' or sumthinglikethat)

22:53:34 asciilifeform: 'rdesktop.'

22:53:40 mod6: haha

22:54:06 asciilifeform: http://www.cultdeadcow.com/tools/bo.html

22:54:07 assbot: Worst Case Scenario ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ6fKG )

22:54:07 asciilifeform: ^ preserved in amber

22:54:07 punkman: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oo72b/victim_100_bitcoins_stolen_from_blockchaininfo/cmoyiky

22:54:09 assbot: blockchainwallet comments on VICTIM: 100 Bitcoins STOLEN from blockchain.info Wallet during the Security Leak 12/7/2014 ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ6iGk )

22:54:15 undata: sub7 was another

22:54:29 *: undata recalls sending friends song.mp3.exe in high school

22:57:47 asciilifeform: five minute research suggests that folks began to use 'teamviewer' and similar orifices for remote control of winblows/mac machines from toy computer

22:58:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now it's this very special social behaviour, lemme tell you the long story.

22:59:00 *: asciilifeform prepares for a yarn involving mutually-masturbatory use of winblows config menus

22:59:47 punkman: "Private Key Recovery Combination Attacks: On Extreme Fragility of Popular Bitcoin. Key Management, Wallet and Cold Storage Solutions." http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/848.pdf

22:59:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJ7hWN )

22:59:56 mircea_popescu: inept "hiring"/"outsourcing" websites, modelled after get a freelancer (which has been in fact on an insane buying spree, they recently swallowed up warrior forum - the epicenter of those idiotic "infoproducts" consisting of yellow underlined text and a fetishistic "box" with reflections and whatnot)

23:00:32 mircea_popescu: promote a particularly insane view of hiring, where to hire someone for an hour is essentially a nonsexual camwhoring arrangement. you're to tell the op what to do, as micromanagement-y as moving their own hands.

23:00:59 mircea_popescu: the software platform this nonsense happens on is teamviewer (and before that, and to some degree supporting it today, skype)

23:01:24 mircea_popescu: so, all over the world right now, tons of people wasting each other's time in pairs, like retarded marmocets trying to move a ball across the field.

23:01:35 asciilifeform: lol! i imagined that the masturbee must pay the masturbator, in such an arrangement

23:01:41 asciilifeform: never would have conceived of the reverse.

23:01:47 mircea_popescu: yeah welll....

23:01:52 mircea_popescu: people enjoy simcity right ?

23:02:14 mircea_popescu: it's essentially for the masturbator "play an elaborate sort of sims while pretending to be at work"

23:02:15 asciilifeform: but you don't move the 'sim

23:02:16 asciilifeform: 's

23:02:17 cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla nice publish srsly. <<< would've made a summary but was late

23:02:18 mircea_popescu: and for the masturbated, "let the superior white man do things for you for a few dollars"

23:02:18 asciilifeform: arms and legs

23:02:49 mircea_popescu: so it works out great for all the parts involved : corporations pay ; their employees are kept out of trouble ; third worlders eat.

23:03:15 mircea_popescu: it's a modern solution to a modern problem. meanwhile actual people can get on with their actual work unmolested.

23:03:15 asciilifeform: the enigma of where a creature involved in this perversion would have obtained btc - remains

23:03:25 mircea_popescu: but he told you.

23:03:26 mircea_popescu: saving for xmas.

23:03:41 asciilifeform: saving requires obtaining, nein ?

23:03:58 mircea_popescu: obviously the serious ethical violation and outrageous immorality of them having any btc is why <punkman> I hope he doesn't give anything back

23:04:18 mircea_popescu: lemme find this log line for you.

23:04:39 asciilifeform: more ethical to give children blasting caps to play with

23:04:50 asciilifeform: at least problem in the latter is self-correcting

23:05:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-12-2014#942523

23:05:02 assbot: Logged on 02-12-2014 17:36:10; xanthyos: 0.25925176 BTC will arrive in your My Wallet account on Monday Dec 8, 2014.

23:05:17 mircea_popescu: normally it's a tenth that or less tho.

23:06:05 asciilifeform: who has publicly cried over a tenth ?

23:06:18 asciilifeform: stolen, misplaced, or otherwise

23:06:18 mircea_popescu: but saving!

23:06:29 mircea_popescu: coupla bitcents every week. eventually it adds up to something worth stealing.

23:27:03 punkman: from linked paper: "The analysis is very disturbing: it appears that the bitcoin core client has NOT yet finalized the process of several security upgrades which propose a solution to this problem (deterministic random generation) event though a first solution was already submitted in January 2013"

23:27:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00053584 = 9.913 BTC [+] {2}

23:29:25 asciilifeform: 'deterministic random generation'

23:30:20 punkman: the R value thing, instead of using RNG, you can just hash tx+key or something like that.

23:30:28 punkman: so the Android wallets don't break again

23:31:00 asciilifeform: Android wallets << why even necessary ?

23:31:04 asciilifeform: i just don't get it

23:31:23 punkman: me neither, I use dumbphone

23:31:59 mircea_popescu: im not all that convinced deterministic generation (nothing random about it) is such a brilliant idea.

23:32:06 mircea_popescu: sure, it makes it easier for idiots to use bitcoin,

23:32:18 mircea_popescu: meanwhile it also makes it easier for everyone's wallets to be broken

23:32:50 *: asciilifeform is breaking his brain trying to grasp who thought it was a good idea, in what application, and why

23:33:17 punkman: it makes sense for this little thing

23:33:27 asciilifeform: how?

23:33:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform web "programmers"

23:33:45 mircea_popescu: little men in little cubical spaces doing little things in little excel cells.

23:33:45 punkman: because accidental re-use even from different users can reveal keys in various ways

23:33:55 asciilifeform: ok, the 'who' is settled. but the forensic psychiatrist in me is not satisfied - why ?

23:33:56 punkman: so if you hash tx+something, that's not gonna happen

23:34:19 asciilifeform: not gonna happen >>

23:34:23 asciilifeform: !s randomly wired

23:34:24 assbot: 6 results for 'randomly wired' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=randomly+wired

23:34:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem only appears if r values are equal

23:34:53 mircea_popescu: if hashing or w/e other prngsauce is used, it won't be equal.

23:35:17 asciilifeform: unless can factor out 'sauce'

23:35:21 mircea_popescu: ofcourse the actual random r is a general class solution, and provably stronger than prng r for general applications.

23:35:32 mircea_popescu: well of course.

23:35:47 asciilifeform: who recalls the tcp sequence number bugs ?

23:35:47 mircea_popescu: hence my comment above

23:35:47 mircea_popescu: myeah, somethinglike that.

23:35:49 asciilifeform: ;;google tcp sequence number vulnerability

23:35:50 gribble: TCP sequence prediction attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP_sequence_prediction_attack; Multiple Vendor TCP Sequence Number Approximation Vulnerability: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/10183/discuss; TCP Sequence Prediction Attack - The Tech-FAQ: http://www.tech-faq.com/tcp-sequence-prediction-attack.html

23:44:34 BingoBoingo: More random drama http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=141807224826859&w=2

23:44:36 assbot: 'Violating randomization standards' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1qn4GAc )

23:45:26 mircea_popescu: o wait, there be standards ?

23:45:40 mircea_popescu: am i the only one that sees the homeric lulz involved ?

23:46:35 mircea_popescu: oh the use of srandom etc. myea.

23:47:05 mircea_popescu: "The reasons for this are history not known to me, but it might even be linked to Dual_EC_DRBG." <, is, afaik.

23:47:19 BingoBoingo: Indeed. "To satisfy portable code, srand() may be called to initialize the subsystem. In OpenBSD the seed variable is ignored, and strong random number results will be provided from arc4random(3.) In other systems, the seed variable primes a simplistic deterministic algorithm. If the standardized behavior is required srand_deterministic() can be substituted for srand(), then subsequent rand() calls will return results using the d

23:47:19 BingoBoingo: eterministic algorithm."

23:47:59 asciilifeform: for once, i dare suggest that more mundane - most programmers, historically, don't want 'random', but 'random-flavoured but ultimately reproducible' for testing of games, toys, etc

23:48:18 asciilifeform: the difference - at least, once was - taught in school, wherever folks were introduced to the machine

23:50:43 punkman: " They will suddenly see strong randomization where they did not before. There may be a few broken because the have a deeply hidden dependency on determinism. Sorry, but that is what it is going to take."