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00:00:19 jurov: !t m s.mpoe

00:00:20 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082205 / 0.00086299 / 0.00092833 (1150566 shares, 992.94 BTC), 7D: 0.00082205 / 0.00090036 / 0.00092833 (7719450 shares, 6,950.33 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00088601 / 0.00092833 (25031810 shares, 22,178.65 BTC)

00:03:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.44999999 BTC [+]

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00:06:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00083712 = 3.8508 BTC [+]

00:08:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.459 = 1.377 BTC [+]

00:29:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26155 @ 0.00083804 = 21.9189 BTC [+]

00:30:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8257 @ 0.00083819 = 6.9209 BTC [+]

00:30:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 17 @ 0.12454704 = 2.1173 BTC [-] {2}

00:42:57 bloctoc: ;;eauth bloctoc

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00:48:53 bloctoc: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6342e952a759968f287444c3b7b1bacd364c21a3edafff7d0ebdb09b

00:48:54 gribble: You are now authenticated for user bloctoc with key ABFF7572BA373348

00:49:18 bloctoc: how does one call gribble if he's not already spammed you?

01:00:15 dignork: bloctoc "/query gribble"

01:00:28 bloctoc: thanks!

01:02:07 ArsKisS: where did all these walls come to cryptostocks :O

01:02:19 ArsKisS: http://www.quickmeme.com/img/02/02926c398dc1037a6d560642f62128da3334c43f0d2a5afd9b6dc60320e64c7d.jpg

01:08:26 VanCleef: which companies?

01:10:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.000838 = 5.3632 BTC [-]

01:12:05 ArsKisS: VanCleef, sbfs for example

01:12:44 ArsKisS: i can't say they are BIG, but they are definately bigger than what we are used to novadays

01:13:06 VanCleef: :) thanks

01:13:12 ArsKisS: gl hf :P

01:16:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00083543 = 10.5264 BTC [-] {2}

01:21:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.000838 = 11.732 BTC [+]

01:21:30 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1427&cpage=1#comment-9020

01:21:31 ozbot: Loper OS » Cardano Prototype Tidbits: TRNG Boards.

01:21:41 asciilifeform: (bottom comment)

01:22:25 truffles: just saw the game BingoBoingo did u get hammered towards the end geeeeez

01:24:22 nubbins`: alf, nice pics

01:26:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 34 @ 0.02520998 = 0.8571 BTC [+]

01:32:20 Vexual: asciilifeform, do not use if sheild is missing, what is this?

01:33:10 asciilifeform: as you can probably tell, shield is missing.

01:33:16 Vexual: rf shielding?

01:34:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+]

01:34:25 asciilifeform: http://9727e9d160d99ffc550b-e91bafb404d116e05b8f50150b1b07c8.r4.cf3.rackcdn.com/UK_LAE_BMIS-203_PI_D.jpg

01:36:48 asciilifeform: unlike similar shields found in many gizmos (cell phone, wireless card, etc) this one can be removed safely and many times (within reasonable limit)

01:37:58 asciilifeform: the five boards pictured here will be reflowed a second time, with the shield anchors on.

01:40:51 Vexual: thats some sexy kit

01:41:32 asciilifeform: actually the costliest component on that board, not counting the board itself (as published in mircea's statement)

01:49:04 Vexual: can you tell us how many of the first run are sld?

01:49:09 Vexual: *sold

01:49:31 asciilifeform: Vexual: we aren't taking orders quite yet

01:49:33 asciilifeform: so, officially, none

01:49:49 Vexual: oh, i thought thats how peeps got tshirts

01:50:28 asciilifeform: i gave away a few shirts to various people, and so did mircea

01:50:39 asciilifeform: not sure how he picked who to give them to

01:50:43 asciilifeform: ask him

01:51:07 nubbins`: afaik they were given to various business associates

01:51:27 nubbins`: at least that's what i gather from where they ended up :D

01:51:36 asciilifeform: my expectation is that some of the first batch of cardanos will be distributed as 'review' units

01:52:15 nubbins`: the folks at Make would probably love one

01:52:17 Vexual: any kickbacks planned for creators of bubblegum luser-interfaces?

01:52:34 asciilifeform: Vexual: what do you mean?

01:53:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00083468 = 10.2666 BTC [-]

01:54:23 Vexual: not sure really, im just imagining they might be useful for more than intended

01:54:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4599 BTC [+]

01:54:37 asciilifeform: share your thought?

01:55:21 Vexual: let me ponder it, ill get back to you

01:55:43 nubbins`: vexual, i think generally those who can't figure out the device as it exists probably don't have a pressing need for one, either :)

01:56:00 asciilifeform: i'm hard-pressed to imagine how one could fail to figure out the use of the device

01:56:12 asciilifeform: considering that it appears, for all intents and purposes, as a usb flash disk.

01:56:39 asciilifeform: where, if certain things are written to it, and the trigger is pulled, others will appear as well.

01:57:23 nubbins`: i can think of several people i know for whom that's incomprehensible

01:58:11 diametric: i have determined i have no clue how to write a contract.

01:58:23 nubbins`: i know a while back, 3 units for 1 btc was floated... is there a usd price point in mind?

01:58:36 diametric: i should probably fix that.

01:58:36 nubbins`: diametric: what sort of contract?

01:58:52 asciilifeform: nubbins`: plan is that we sell for btc only.

01:58:57 diametric: small manufacturing one

01:59:20 asciilifeform: for details regarding how, ask mircea, i believe he has a simple mechanism in mind.

01:59:54 asciilifeform: (for anyone who doesn't know, mircea is the organizational/financial sourcerer in this project, i only designed the damn thing)

01:59:55 nubbins`: yeah, i figured sales would be btc only

02:00:02 Vexual: so no plan for my third cousin to sccess her iphoto library with a cardano yet then?

02:00:22 asciilifeform: Vexual: nothing prevents you from using cardano as a flash drive

02:00:26 nubbins`: i'm just trying to get a feel for how much they cost. i don't think 0.333 btc is still the intended sale price at the current exchange rate :D

02:00:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.000838 = 2.2626 BTC [+]

02:00:58 asciilifeform: the unit cost of the first batch is perceptibly greater than it ought to be, because of economics of scale.

02:01:10 asciilifeform: anyone who has bought electronic parts (or manufactured anything) knows this.

02:01:22 nubbins`: nod

02:01:45 nubbins`: i'll print a single t-shirt of any design for $70 :)

02:01:55 Vexual: plus you had to shut down your meth lab for reflow, gotta price that in

02:02:24 truffles: haha

02:02:36 asciilifeform: hah. though i'm probably on all of the relevant lists, if only because virtually every one of the tools is traditionally bought by weed growers

02:02:36 Vexual: :)

02:02:55 asciilifeform: almost anything that goes with a laser cutter (ventilation hardware, compressors, pumps)

02:03:03 nubbins`: i'm on several lists as well, although for different reasons :D

02:03:20 asciilifeform: if you read the 'amazon' reviews for these items, they're almost all from 'grow-op' folks.

02:04:00 nubbins`: any details on case design?

02:04:08 asciilifeform: clear acrylic.

02:04:27 nubbins`: oooo

02:04:38 diametric: speaking of, i need images i can do test rasters now

02:04:38 nubbins`: nice choice

02:04:43 Vexual: doing that in-house too?

02:05:01 asciilifeform: diametric is our acrylic man

02:05:03 nubbins`: ah

02:05:12 Vexual: no 3d print?

02:05:14 nubbins`: diametric: regarding contracts, find one you like the format of and use that as a guide

02:05:26 nubbins`: Vexual: afaik you can't 3d print clear things

02:05:30 nubbins`: yet, anyway

02:05:33 diametric: you can print mostly clear.

02:05:36 asciilifeform: nubbins`: afaik you can '3d print' acrylic, but it looks like the windows found in public toilets.

02:05:39 diametric: theres are a few optically correct filaments

02:05:40 nubbins`: costly per-unit too, i'd imagine

02:05:40 asciilifeform: rather than clear in the usual sense

02:05:44 nubbins`: yeah, frosted

02:05:51 Vexual: can you print a form for blow moulding?

02:06:13 asciilifeform: there is a reason molding (esp. of clear material) is done under vacuum.

02:06:14 diametric: the acrylic cases will be much nicer.

02:06:16 asciilifeform: bubbles.

02:06:44 truffles: nubins did u play chess already?

02:07:04 truffles: i should prob play before i get the later half of a buzz marathon

02:07:20 nubbins`: not today, nope

02:07:36 truffles: wanna play?

02:07:43 truffles: if yes not on irc

02:08:25 nubbins`: ah, im actually gonna be turning in soon. i have a rare early rise tomorrow :)

02:08:35 truffles: ok

02:09:08 truffles: i shall proceed then

02:09:56 nubbins`: another time, perhaps!

02:11:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.0008397 = 22.8398 BTC [+] {3}

02:13:14 truffles: sure

02:25:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32300 @ 0.00084126 = 27.1727 BTC [+]

02:29:07 KingAlex: !wallet 197BAHQNBbrXKM8SAPaGGbr7enoyxMwzyQ

02:29:41 truffles: houston we have a fail

02:38:52 asciilifeform: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/dmg-mori-gildemeister-maho-cnc/mori-ellison-gyroscope-unlocking-273841/

02:38:53 ozbot: Mori/Ellison gyroscope unlocking

02:39:04 asciilifeform: gps spoofers on the market in 3... 2... 1...

02:39:14 asciilifeform: plus now we know that you can ddos a machine shop from 10km away.

02:40:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.43300021 BTC [-]

02:42:46 asciilifeform: in other news, https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-5hhDm18Juhw/Usac6x0EOoI/AAAAAAAAOEc/tvUHZvNIYFo/s1800/Screen%2520Shot%25202014-01-03%2520at%25206.54.11%2520PM.png

02:43:12 Vexual: if usmil saw fit they can spoof from the sats over a small area, alowing a moved usesful factory to continue

02:43:13 asciilifeform: looks like even crapware artists publish teasers now.

02:43:27 asciilifeform: Vexual: if an undergrad student sees fit.

02:43:39 Vexual: :) has it been done?

02:43:56 asciilifeform: iran and the stolen airplane.

02:44:11 asciilifeform: gps includes no authentication

02:44:23 Vexual: but the sats crank out some power

02:44:23 asciilifeform: (at least, the public signal doesn't)

02:44:35 asciilifeform: less than thermal background, when seen at the receiver.

02:45:15 Vexual: if they own the machine, surely they can create a different gps out

02:46:11 asciilifeform: linked piece describes how the high-end mills are made deliberately difficult to modify (a la 'drm')

02:46:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00083914 = 9.734 BTC [-]

02:46:28 asciilifeform: and how this was imposed from above by bureaucrats.

02:47:41 Vexual: i can make my boat look like its anywhere on ais

02:53:14 Vexual: but saying you're in the south china sea when thats out of vhf range is pointless, same is probably true with signal spoofing gps

02:53:59 Vexual: whya are these cncs so sesitive?

02:57:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17577 @ 0.00083914 = 14.7496 BTC [-]

02:58:40 toffoo: missile parts

02:59:16 Vexual: ahh kinect-pro

03:03:40 Vexual: sounds a lot like a cd player with better lenses

03:09:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45999999 BTC [+]

03:13:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.004597 = 0.1379 BTC [+] {2}

03:14:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00084126 = 13.9649 BTC [+] {2}

03:15:10 Vexual: the lenses neing software rather than optics

03:17:03 nubbins`: just read that link

03:17:07 nubbins`: re: ddosing machine shops

03:17:32 nubbins`: mildly amusing that you can disable hardware without even remote access to it :D

03:20:45 Vexual: a gps sat needs an atomic clock to provide the accuracy for the reciever to exprapolate an accurate aproximation, a cd player just needs to know the wavelength

03:21:34 nubbins`: gps taught me that time dilation has practical applications

03:21:37 nubbins`: real eye opener

03:21:56 asciilifeform: nubbins`: it had practical applications long before gps.

03:21:58 Vexual: all about the delta

03:22:09 nubbins`: asciilifeform: no doubt, but that was my introduction

03:22:14 asciilifeform: the first crt tv sets that weren't 'pieces of furniture' were japanese. why?

03:22:24 asciilifeform: because they taught SR to engineers

03:22:33 Vexual: sr?

03:22:38 asciilifeform: you need relativistic electrons to get the wide deflection angle

03:22:39 nubbins`: special

03:22:43 asciilifeform: to make shorter (lighter) tubes.

03:22:43 nubbins`: relativity

03:22:45 Vexual: ah

03:22:58 asciilifeform: given as deflection, in a particular magnetic field, is proportional to velocity.

03:23:19 asciilifeform: (of known charge, that is, 1 electron)

03:23:48 asciilifeform: mass of the tv tube goes up roughly with the cube of length

03:23:57 asciilifeform: so this is how the u.s. tv industry died.

03:24:05 asciilifeform: of pig-headed idiocy.

03:25:13 Vexual: doeth anyone use crt anymore?

03:25:28 asciilifeform: quite a few people.

03:25:42 Vexual: what for?

03:25:56 Vexual: tv?

03:26:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00084143 = 14.3464 BTC [+]

03:26:07 nubbins`: pretty sure there's a joke about Zenith in there somewhere

03:26:10 asciilifeform: many people have 'pro'-grade crts that they see no reason to part with.

03:26:12 nubbins`: i'll leave the details to someone else

03:26:21 asciilifeform: esp. in exchange for the turd that passes for the typical lcd.

03:26:22 Vexual: your oscilloscope?

03:26:29 asciilifeform: that, for instance.

03:26:46 nubbins`: f it ain't broke...

03:27:06 asciilifeform: it's more like, an analog scope with a display with response time measured in ms is a sad joke.

03:27:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12665 @ 0.00084143 = 10.6567 BTC [+]

03:27:25 Vexual: electron business

03:27:27 nubbins`: my relatives have a frigidaire refrigerator that's 70 years old. still works.

03:27:34 nubbins`: granted, it doesn't dispense ice cubes

03:27:54 Vexual: those fuckers always slapsh gin on the floor

03:28:01 nubbins`: relatives?

03:28:06 nubbins`: i know :(

03:28:10 asciilifeform: the soviet 'ZIL' fridge that my folks & i left behind in '92 is almost certainly still running, somewhere.

03:28:25 asciilifeform: my apt. has a 1970s (possibly earlier) american fridge

03:28:31 nubbins`: yeah

03:28:32 Vexual: ice cube dispensers too nubs :)

03:28:38 nubbins`: my folks have a 40+ year old washing machine

03:28:42 nubbins`: Vexual: ah ;)

03:29:16 nubbins`: it's at the point now where one is pleased to see a well-built, serviceable piece of equipment

03:29:26 asciilifeform: rare bird, this.

03:29:30 nubbins`: nod

03:29:44 asciilifeform: good example from (relatively) recent times

03:29:46 nubbins`: i felt like a million bucks after doing some light mods to my press

03:29:48 Vexual: the beauty is you can see other humans that select for this

03:29:52 nubbins`: for the first time

03:29:54 asciilifeform: toshiba 'libretto' laptop, circa 1997

03:30:01 nubbins`: the libretto!

03:30:01 asciilifeform: same size & shape as modern 'netbooks'

03:30:05 asciilifeform: but what a difference in quality

03:30:09 asciilifeform: you can feel it blindfolded.

03:30:18 nubbins`: what were those ones with the funny processors?

03:30:21 nubbins`: started with a T

03:30:24 asciilifeform: transmeta?

03:30:26 asciilifeform: that was later.

03:30:26 nubbins`: yeah

03:30:33 nubbins`: nod. early 2000's

03:30:35 nubbins`: i think

03:30:42 asciilifeform: the 'real' librettos had 'pentium I'

03:30:55 Vexual: i love my eeepc

03:30:56 asciilifeform: same size/shape/weight as half a brick.

03:30:59 nubbins`: fujitsu, i think, is what i'm thinking of

03:31:13 nubbins`: had a line of netbook-size machines with transmeta cpus

03:31:17 asciilifeform: bought 'eeepc' to replace dead 'libretto', regretted.

03:31:25 asciilifeform: damn thing is a piece of garbage

03:31:26 Vexual: yeah

03:31:29 nubbins`: bought olpc, mild regrets :)

03:31:36 Vexual: but 500$ nix outta box, sold

03:31:47 Vexual: still got it nubs?

03:31:48 asciilifeform: ordered one back in the day, never came. a year later they gave the money back.

03:31:51 nubbins`: still have the machine, yep. still works.

03:31:55 nubbins`: impossibly small keyboard

03:32:02 Vexual: id love to get my hands on one of those

03:32:19 nubbins`: i lost my developer key, unfortunately

03:32:21 asciilifeform: 'libretto' keyboard was even smaller than the 'eeepc' one, but i could type on it blind

03:32:24 asciilifeform: it felt great

03:32:29 nubbins`: stuck with "sugar" until/unless i can sort that out

03:32:34 asciilifeform: no modern laptop for any amount of money seems to have anything like it

03:32:54 nubbins`: honestly truly enjoy the macbook keyboard

03:33:03 asciilifeform: calculator!

03:33:06 asciilifeform: from dollar store.

03:33:06 Vexual: 5 year old macbook is a nice machine

03:33:16 nubbins`: mine's late 2008

03:33:16 Vexual: 7?

03:33:20 Vexual: yah

03:33:29 Vexual: the white ones

03:33:30 asciilifeform: i thought every last '07-08 macbook has died by now.

03:33:35 nubbins`: aluminum

03:33:35 asciilifeform: of the nvidia bga defect plague.

03:33:47 nubbins`: asciilifeform: this one still runs like a champ

03:34:00 nubbins`: paltry 2gb ram, but y'know

03:34:03 nubbins`: i don't use it for much

03:34:11 asciilifeform: got 4 separate dead ones here. same verdict for each.

03:34:14 nubbins`: wow

03:34:23 Vexual: i mean the b4 intel one

03:34:26 nubbins`: my wife's fell to it some years back

03:34:39 asciilifeform: plus a dead 'thinkpad', with same.

03:34:53 asciilifeform: all 'conveniently' croked a month or two after warranty.

03:35:02 nubbins`: i've been relatively lucky

03:35:13 nubbins`: although the laptop before this one drank a full beer

03:35:15 Vexual: parts exist

03:35:20 nubbins`: did not end well

03:35:32 asciilifeform: Vexual: one of the corpses died on 2nd motherboard

03:35:34 Vexual: thats where my keyboards go

03:35:41 asciilifeform: nominally 'remanufactured with new nvidia'

03:36:29 asciilifeform: my suspicion is, deliberate very small mis-spacing in the ball pads on the board.

03:36:37 Vexual: those librettos look much the same as the predecessors with 0 colour, yes thats definately dot matrix screens

03:36:56 asciilifeform: that thing was the size of a vhs tape. perfect size.

03:37:05 asciilifeform: cost... $6k?

03:37:25 asciilifeform: if a decent laptop could be had for 6k now, i'd gladly pony up.

03:37:25 Vexual: libretto? 6k?

03:37:39 truffles: decent??

03:37:40 asciilifeform: somewhere between 5 and 6.

03:38:02 Vexual: u want a big battery and a duty case?

03:38:08 asciilifeform: decent ~= not only functions, but doesn't feel like shit

03:38:14 asciilifeform: it's an instrument to be used with your hands

03:38:21 truffles: 6k?

03:39:52 Vexual: no such could make one with 8 bootable ssd slots

03:40:22 asciilifeform: some things cannot be made because of economy of scale.

03:40:29 nubbins`: lifecycles is part of the problem too

03:40:38 Vexual: everything at a price

03:40:47 asciilifeform: even the folks who make the iphone shell made of gold and diamonds, have to sell more than one

03:40:55 asciilifeform: there is a market for those.

03:41:09 asciilifeform: but for a laptop with, say, stainless steel chassis and keyboard, i'm not so sure.

03:41:33 nubbins`: after a point you're looking at bespoke parts

03:41:35 Vexual: ss no good

03:42:01 nubbins`: iirc, ford made a car with a stainless steel chassis in the 20s

03:42:04 Vexual: detrimental to inner components, being higher up the electrolytic scale than almost everything

03:42:06 asciilifeform: i know of no way to obtain such a thing without paying a price for which one could buy a (mass-produced) airplane.

03:42:10 asciilifeform: twin engines, no less.

03:42:16 nubbins`: yeah!

03:42:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19724 @ 0.00084143 = 16.5964 BTC [+]

03:42:41 nubbins`: when i read about it as a kid, the book claimed that the chassis had so far outlasted something like 4 engines

03:42:49 Vexual: id like a ford with four of those 1l ecoboots engines and electrinic throttle running each wheel

03:44:08 asciilifeform: it is interesting to think about gadgets that are perfectly buildable, but even the richest cannot get.

03:44:32 asciilifeform: 'warren buffett drinks the same coke as the street bum.'

03:45:35 Vexual: and were all living on this rock at the same time

03:46:06 nubbins`: well, for now

03:46:24 Vexual: heres a thought, can current pop ever exceed ancestors?

03:46:28 asciilifeform: what's interesting is that there are some limits re: what craftsmen are willing to build.

03:46:41 asciilifeform: anyone recall that british fellow who sells belts out of cadaver skin?

03:46:51 asciilifeform: 'for those lucky few who have everything they ever wanted'

03:46:54 Vexual: wasnt aware of man belts

03:47:06 asciilifeform: you can get your books bound in human skin. but you can't buy a decent laptop.

03:47:28 asciilifeform: http://www.humanleather.co.uk/aboutus.html

03:47:28 ozbot: Human Leather Exclusive Products - Exquisite Wallets, Belts, Shoes

03:47:43 nubbins`: yeah, i remember this

03:47:55 nubbins`: haha

03:48:00 nubbins`: "for the gentleman who has everything"

03:48:10 nubbins`: amputees should jump on this

03:48:13 Vexual: gentlemen dont wear human leather

03:48:29 asciilifeform: conspicuously missing from the catalogue - lamp shades...

03:48:59 nubbins`: HEH

03:49:17 nubbins`: i'd buy a belt made from the skin of someone with a ton of moles

03:49:43 Vexual: its so thin, you'd need bovine backing

03:51:51 diametric: nubbins`: hair intact?

03:51:54 Vexual: and to maintain the evil mage business, it would need to be obtained from some holy hindu place

03:53:00 nubbins`: no hair

03:53:06 nubbins`: just moles

03:53:06 Vexual: aren't there a few churches that claim to have our lord foreskin?

03:53:08 nubbins`: heavy with them

03:53:51 diametric: Vexual: you just gave me the greatest idea.

03:53:56 Vexual: oi fuck

03:54:25 diametric: the bible is full of references to foreskin as a currency

03:54:35 Vexual: not another coin

03:54:39 diametric: hahah

03:54:43 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/2Yr768W

03:54:44 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

03:54:44 Vexual: call it another name

03:54:53 nubbins`: foreskoin

03:55:17 Vexual: lol

03:56:53 Vexual: not coin, it's the kin that went before

03:58:30 nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/e5NGqqW.gif

03:59:39 Vexual: cremated to a blockchain

04:00:26 asciilifeform: i think mp once mused about body parts as currency

04:00:34 asciilifeform: they meet many of the essential conditions.

04:01:10 nubbins`: i knew a guy who claimed to have been in the wet parts business for a while

04:01:16 diametric: specifically, David of David and Goliath bought his wife with 200 Philistine foreskins

04:01:26 Vexual: id like to see a supply chain block chain, so i can get 2 % on tshirts that nubbins sells on my design etc

04:02:31 nubbins`: i'll give ya more than 2% if you get the sales

04:02:49 Vexual: brother im all about the supply chain

04:05:44 Vexual: how much downtime you wanna fill?

04:08:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02521 = 0.1261 BTC [+]

04:09:18 nubbins`: ah, y'know

04:09:21 nubbins`: a bit here and there

04:10:09 Vexual: i feel ya

04:18:15 Vexual: we'll go with the old shitload of residual incme and do what you like model

04:21:27 nubbins`: works so far

04:22:34 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbGBQMOVL2k

04:22:35 ozbot: Aphrodite - Style from the Dark Side - YouTube

04:33:00 Vexual: now you have an artis come with a market and you do the printing?

04:33:45 nubbins`: yeah, we've been getting more into that lately

04:34:08 Vexual: what else do you do?

04:34:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.03485885 = 0.244 BTC [-] {3}

04:34:38 Vexual: apart from running your machines into the night with an artisan hand when need be

04:37:29 Vexual: like, you sorta get a corel file, work your magic, and then get bitcoin or canadian paper?

04:38:10 nubbins`: we do a combination of client work and dicking around on our own

04:38:54 Vexual: does dicking around sell?

04:39:05 nubbins`: yeah, fairly well

04:39:46 truffles: is there a package of dicking or package of dicks?

04:39:58 nubbins`: acid zines, weird prints, etc

04:40:00 Vexual: yeah we only ever see client work

04:40:05 Vexual: ahh

04:40:22 nubbins`: other pet projects

04:40:24 nubbins`: 1 sec

04:41:35 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/JB8LA4U

04:41:35 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

04:41:47 nubbins`: occasionaly we even print on old things :D

04:42:21 Vexual: don't put that in your acid zine

04:42:38 nubbins`: there are a lot of dicks in the acid zines, usually

04:42:42 nubbins`: sort of ends up that way

04:43:05 truffles: a bag of dicks?

04:43:56 nubbins`: not quite that many yet

04:44:13 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/9r7STyz

04:44:13 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

04:44:20 nubbins`: managed to sneak a dick into the local paper, even

04:44:53 Vexual: i steal em and put em back

04:45:01 truffles: a gang of dicks?

04:45:15 nubbins`: was particularly proud of that one

04:45:17 truffles: team of dicks

04:45:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00084143 = 12.916 BTC [+]

04:45:28 truffles: dick ears?

04:45:35 nubbins`: mildly surprised they (a) chose it and (b) gave it a full page spread on the first page of section B

04:45:43 nubbins`: truffles: dick noses

04:46:08 nubbins`: http://pinkeyeprints.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/amvi6-imgur.jpg

04:46:17 truffles: looks like a finger

04:46:23 truffles: gotta stare at it to tell its a sack

04:46:36 truffles: only pervs do that

04:46:48 Vexual: it looks like a fucked up mickey mouse in basketball shoes

04:47:02 nubbins`: dicky mouse

04:48:35 Vexual: ill draw you a lemonade stand in shaky biro, with a complete lsd lab drawn in chem notation

04:48:57 Vexual: $120 bucks each in bondi

04:49:26 truffles: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00671/phallological-museu_671292c.jpg ever been there ?

04:50:36 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_3dbTYAhho

04:50:37 ozbot: Have You Ever Been (to Electric Ladyland)-Jimi Hendrix (with lyrics) - YouTube

04:53:04 truffles: he's not that great at singing..

04:53:04 truffles: this one isnt that bad

04:53:20 Vexual: i will need to say @when life gives you lemons@ for the full hipster irony, otherwise $20

04:54:23 Vexual: this might be a uk keyboard

04:54:41 truffles: what is hipster?

04:54:58 Vexual: theyre those people that pay $120 for a tshirt

04:56:02 truffles: so opposite of hippie

04:56:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.0008399 = 27.5487 BTC [-] {2}

04:58:11 Vexual: major in language studies at mit

04:58:32 truffles: id be bored in a year

04:58:43 Vexual: you might be a hipster

04:59:05 truffles: nah just a thrill seeker

04:59:25 Vexual: do you eat pistachios on a handmade picnic rug?

04:59:32 truffles: lol

04:59:48 truffles: no i just have a paper towel out

04:59:52 Vexual: hippie

05:00:01 truffles: prob

05:00:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24150 @ 0.00083928 = 20.2686 BTC [-] {2}

05:00:52 Vexual: nah just new money

05:01:03 truffles: ?

05:01:39 Vexual: well hipsters are the kids of hippies that sold their soul and made some money

05:02:23 truffles: i was wondering whatever happened to all the hippies

05:02:46 Vexual: nubbins' showed a gif of the supposedly gone woodie guthrie

05:03:39 truffles: how does one sell a soul though

05:03:45 Vexual: cant be done

05:04:05 truffles: sell own soul?

05:04:09 Vexual: hippies inventened the butterlfy affect as seen in humanity

05:04:31 Vexual: you see butterfly tramp stamps, but a sould cant be sold

05:04:55 Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhIrzbhEGvs

05:04:55 ozbot: Busta Rhymes - Thank You ft. Q-Tip, Kanye West, Lil Wayne - YouTube

05:05:18 truffles: didnt click

05:05:46 Vexual: then you've considered butterflies

05:07:16 Vexual: that unpopular phrase globalisation didnt haven without people moving house

05:07:21 KRS1: eh

05:09:17 KRS1: hey this song good yo

05:09:27 Vexual: going back to selling your soul

05:10:14 Vexual: you're the master of what your soul absorbs

05:10:54 truffles: there is a term for this

05:11:04 Vexual: no doubt

05:11:15 truffles: rhetorical?

05:11:22 Vexual: :)}

05:16:29 truffles: where is mr Boingo

05:17:51 Vexual: u feeling chess?

05:18:09 truffles: we have a rematch to do

05:18:49 truffles: i may have to step away based on events in the house ya know

05:19:23 Vexual: i think bongo is alergic to vodka

05:19:30 truffles: lol

05:19:37 Vexual: yah

05:19:57 truffles: its not for everyone

05:23:03 Vexual: we serve it warm

05:23:24 Vexual: but ou know this

05:23:49 truffles: i only like my tea warm eww

05:25:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]

05:27:53 Vexual: gin is served with ice, vodka should be at room tmep

05:28:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1120 @ 0.00009501 = 0.1064 BTC [-] {3}

05:28:07 truffles: it should be how i want it

05:28:28 truffles: bbl

05:29:12 Vexual: get me some orange sherbert

05:30:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8840 @ 0.00009501 = 0.8399 BTC [-] {3}

05:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3173 @ 0.00083924 = 2.6629 BTC [-]

05:33:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25327 @ 0.00083699 = 21.1984 BTC [-] {2}

05:37:51 BingoBoingo: truffles: I am here nao

05:49:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22998 @ 0.00084193 = 19.3627 BTC [+] {2}

06:02:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]

06:04:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00047496 = 0.9499 BTC [+] {2}

06:17:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21302 @ 0.00083517 = 17.7908 BTC [-] {2}

06:18:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

06:19:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 130 @ 0.001 = 0.13 BTC [+]

06:29:46 KRS1: whats up with ghash.io..

06:33:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00083468 = 23.1624 BTC [-]

06:40:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0399499 = 0.2397 BTC [+] {2}

06:42:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5512 @ 0.00083694 = 4.6132 BTC [+]

07:07:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13988 @ 0.00083694 = 11.7071 BTC [+]

07:37:38 truffles: BingoBoingo ping

07:55:36 KRS1: pong

07:56:16 KRS1: so do you all think ghash.io is going to harm the network

07:57:18 truffles: howdy krs1

08:08:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5301 @ 0.00084124 = 4.4594 BTC [+]

08:09:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12299 @ 0.00084054 = 10.3378 BTC [-]

08:28:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32210 @ 0.00084164 = 27.1092 BTC [+] {2}

08:28:41 KRS1: how'dy

08:28:53 KRS1: i've been expecting a drop, not this rise =/

08:29:02 KRS1: where'd i go wrong in my analysis

08:29:29 truffles: coinye brought it up with the swag

08:32:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46079996 = 2.304 BTC [+] {4}

08:33:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.46929999 = 4.693 BTC [+] {4}

08:34:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00084175 = 19.5707 BTC [+] {2}

08:47:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00084077 = 13.3682 BTC [-]

08:48:41 mircea_popescu: bitbet is hysterical, all these volunteer armchair pilots for it.

08:49:14 mircea_popescu: i am starting to suspect the main reason rich people become assholes is that they eventually get sick of all the poor people who refuse to see the difference.

08:51:58 mircea_popescu: .d

08:51:59 ozbot: 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 767 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.3651% in 4d 8h 17m 7s

08:55:28 truffles: so ure not saying ure not a complete asshole but on the cusp?

08:57:04 mircea_popescu: im a fonz, what are you on about.

08:57:20 truffles: fonz is cool though

08:57:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.49509632 = 26.7352 BTC [+] {20}

09:01:07 mircea_popescu: i have no idea what it is, outside of a pulp fiction reference.

09:01:23 Duffer1: happy days

09:01:57 mircea_popescu: so indeed they'd be cool.

09:01:59 mircea_popescu: ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPPN_gkj_gk )

09:02:45 truffles: omg he's never seen it

09:02:46 truffles: omg

09:03:05 truffles: well its not that great of a show

09:03:12 truffles: just watch a few eps

09:03:24 Duffer1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4ZGKI8vpcg

09:03:25 ozbot: Fonzie Jumps the Shark on Happy Days (Episode 5.3) 1977 - YouTube

09:03:45 mircea_popescu: ol wait, this is the original "jump the shark" show huh ?

09:03:52 Duffer1: yep

09:03:56 mircea_popescu: i take it back, i've nothing to do with that toothy derp.

09:04:09 truffles: lol

09:04:21 mircea_popescu: sammy lee you've lied to me!

09:04:32 truffles: thats just 1 clip

09:05:41 truffles: he made the jump, whats the derp about

09:06:39 truffles: so suave

09:08:16 truffles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHWXAJhmvyU

09:08:17 ozbot: Mork Meets The Fonz - YouTube

09:08:21 truffles: robin williams!

09:08:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6455 @ 0.00084077 = 5.4272 BTC [-]

09:09:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7745 @ 0.00084054 = 6.51 BTC [-]

09:12:15 truffles: blog topic im interested in, are smart people in general more selfish

09:12:26 truffles: obv u can include stuff about asses and holes

09:19:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9931 @ 0.00084028 = 8.3448 BTC [-] {2}

09:20:32 deanclkclk: anyone here who's a money manager? I want to ask something about fractional reserve banking

09:20:56 deanclkclk: or anyone here who understand franctional reserve banking

09:22:04 mircea_popescu: go ahead

09:28:49 deanclkclk: well just looking at a t account..how can fractional reserve banking be inflationary

09:29:49 mircea_popescu: you'll have to phrase that question better

09:29:51 deanclkclk: what is loan out (asset to the bank) is always equal to it's liability (deposit)?

09:30:19 mircea_popescu: what's your definition of "inflationary" ?

09:30:34 deanclkclk: if the depositor withdraws money ..it comes from the bank reserves

09:30:55 deanclkclk: inflationary..rising prices

09:31:13 mircea_popescu: that'd be rising prices. traditionally inflation is defined as that state where the monetary mass increases.

09:31:49 mircea_popescu: if in 2010 the total volume of payment insturments is 5, and in 2011 it's 6, then you've had a 20% inflation.

09:33:00 deanclkclk: but, let me ask u this

09:33:43 deanclkclk: in an investment bank...one which the depositor can't withdraw from his account because, he knows the bank doesn't have it (it's loan out)..that's isn't inflationary

09:34:08 deanclkclk: but, it is said in a fractional reserve bank...the depositor still has access to his deposit even though it's loan out

09:34:15 deanclkclk: that doesn't make any sense

09:34:36 deanclkclk: because if deposit is 9 == loan 8 + reserve 1

09:34:52 mircea_popescu: well, you've constructed it so it doesn't make any sense. take a better example : say i run a whorehouse and you bring me your wife. then one day you want to have sex. just because i've sent her to work the streets of mexico doesn't mean you can't have sex,

09:35:01 mircea_popescu: i'll just hook you up with some other dude's wife.

09:35:24 mircea_popescu: am i running fractional reserve whorehouse ? no. do you still get to have sex, even if your own wife is out ? sure.

09:35:33 deanclkclk: if the depositor withdraws from his account ...how would that show on the T account?

09:35:33 deanclkclk: says all his 9 dollars

09:35:46 mircea_popescu: ib just takes a liquidity loan.

09:36:48 deanclkclk: huh?

09:37:04 mircea_popescu: myeah. best i can tell, you've painted yourself in a corner trying to understand this and now nothing makes sense.

09:37:06 deanclkclk: I understand your whorehouse analogy

09:37:09 mircea_popescu: time to re-examine your priors.

09:37:43 deanclkclk: well if someone can show me how that would reflect on a T account..it would make a whole lotta sense

09:38:01 mircea_popescu: okay, fair enough.

09:38:05 deanclkclk: I'm just wondering how that would show

09:38:44 mircea_popescu: central bank creates 10 bucks. pushes 2 each to 5 commercial banks. the banks loan out 50 bucks each, on the grounds that they are required by cb to keep 10% in reserves.

09:38:44 deanclkclk: banks == liability (deposit $10) and assets (loan $9 & reserve $1)

09:38:46 deanclkclk: that balances

09:39:07 mircea_popescu: now, the monetary mass at the cb level is 100, and the monetary mass at the cb level is 500

09:39:11 mircea_popescu: that's a 400% inflation.

09:39:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00084234 = 1.811 BTC [+] {2}

09:39:37 mircea_popescu: meh i cocked the math up. lemme redo.

09:39:40 deanclkclk: yeah but, just listen

09:39:43 deanclkclk: listen

09:39:45 mircea_popescu: kay.

09:39:46 deanclkclk: just an simple example

09:39:54 deanclkclk: in this illustration

09:39:55 deanclkclk: banks == liability (deposit $10) and assets (loan $9 & reserve $1)

09:40:00 deanclkclk: that's their T account right

09:40:11 deanclkclk: the loan out $9

09:40:16 mircea_popescu: you don't get to use the assets in there.

09:40:21 deanclkclk: so what if..the depositor wants to withdraw his 10 dollars

09:40:26 mircea_popescu: their liability is 10 and the assets 1.

09:40:29 deanclkclk: how would that show on the banks T account?

09:41:01 deanclkclk: yeah the 1 dollar is their current asset

09:41:05 deanclkclk: I get that

09:41:07 mircea_popescu: this is a purely accounting q, but :

09:41:20 mircea_popescu: step 1 : deposit 10, loan 9, reserve 1.

09:41:41 mircea_popescu: step 2 : withraw the 10 : deposit 0, loan 9, reserve 1, owed 10 to liquidity provider

09:42:07 mircea_popescu: this bank now owes the 10 it owed before, except not to its original depositor.

09:42:22 mircea_popescu: nothing much changed.

09:44:19 mircea_popescu: note that accounting generally is just a convention, and it may be uniquely adequate or uniquely inadequate to resolve any factual problems. in some formulations inflation is opaque to accounting, in some others quite transparent. this doesn't make inflation go away, even if it's very tempting for all governments historically to pretend so.

09:45:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7392 @ 0.00084236 = 6.2267 BTC [+]

09:48:17 deanclkclk: ok

09:48:20 deanclkclk: hmmm

09:50:30 deanclkclk: yes I know mircea_popescu but, I'm just wondering how would that show on the account

09:50:47 deanclkclk: but, with a deposit being 0...wouldn't that cause the T account to not be balanced?

09:51:17 deanclkclk: liabilties are greater than an asset

09:51:40 mircea_popescu: nope. you still owe 10, but not to depositors anymore, to liquidity provider instead.

09:51:45 mircea_popescu: just as balanced as it was.

09:52:18 mircea_popescu: it goes from liabilities 10 (depositors) to liabilities 10 (government) or w/e

09:55:37 deanclkclk: ohh so the liquidity provider funds the 10 dollars to pay back the depositor?

09:55:54 mircea_popescu: well yes

09:55:58 deanclkclk: liquidity provider in this case will be the central bank

09:56:13 mircea_popescu: someone will have to, as the 9 loaned out are loaned on terms and can't (in this example we use) be recalled.

09:56:19 mircea_popescu: in practice obviously some mix will be implemented.

09:56:28 mircea_popescu: it isn't the central bank in a functioning economy

09:56:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00084219 = 9.7273 BTC [-]

09:56:41 mircea_popescu: this is why the libor originally existed : so banks can liquidify each oth\er

09:56:54 mircea_popescu: the interest they settled on becoming the "fair" interest for everyone, smaller players

09:57:25 deanclkclk: ohh ok

09:57:33 mircea_popescu: if it is the central bank you have by any sensible definition a central command economy like the soviets, and even discussing "banks" is just a masquerade

09:58:24 deanclkclk: ok

09:59:40 deanclkclk: but, if the banks are funding themselves..would that not increase the total stock of money?

10:00:12 mircea_popescu: well, how ?

10:00:19 deanclkclk: because, if bank A give to Bank B...bank A is decreasing it's money stock and giving it to Bank B

10:00:25 mircea_popescu: so...

10:07:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17311 @ 0.00083963 = 14.5348 BTC [-] {2}

10:08:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00083961 = 13.8536 BTC [-]

10:17:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 370 @ 0.001 = 0.37 BTC [+]

10:33:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3213 @ 0.00083961 = 2.6977 BTC [-]

10:43:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4316 @ 0.00083468 = 3.6025 BTC [-]

10:52:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22133 @ 0.0008367 = 18.5187 BTC [+]

11:01:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31799 @ 0.00083456 = 26.5382 BTC [-] {2}

11:02:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56888 @ 0.00083424 = 47.4582 BTC [-] {2}

11:03:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

11:07:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02520706 = 0.605 BTC [-] {3}

11:09:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46010011 BTC [-]

11:25:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]

11:36:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1712 @ 0.00083386 = 1.4276 BTC [-]

11:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25188 @ 0.0008331 = 20.9841 BTC [-] {2}

11:50:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.04999999 = 5 BTC [+]

11:59:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7259 @ 0.00083687 = 6.0748 BTC [+] {2}

12:08:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 156 @ 0.0046 = 0.7176 BTC [+] {2}

12:45:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00083899 = 10.0259 BTC [+] {2}

13:55:17 kleeck0: So, I'm confused. Should I stop mining on ghash.io?

13:56:28 Duffer1: yep

13:56:33 kleeck0: lol

13:56:38 kleeck0: Joking, joking.

13:56:43 Duffer1: oh hehe

13:56:47 kleeck0: Reddit is ablaze with STOP DAT GHASH!

13:57:16 Duffer1: good

13:57:24 Duffer1: reddit has it's uses

13:57:40 taub_: some hard movement on gox

14:00:35 mircea_popescu: what's the problem with ghash ?

14:00:52 Duffer1: too many of the gigahashes

14:00:55 mircea_popescu: o

14:01:07 mircea_popescu: i guess this explains why elegius actually found a coupla blocks today

14:01:15 mircea_popescu: hasn't been seen since... spring ?

14:01:31 Duffer1: 42+% of the network + attempted double spends on gambling sites

14:02:02 mircea_popescu: o seriously ? which ?

14:02:21 mircea_popescu: seems improbable

14:02:32 Duffer1: let me find the link

14:03:03 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327767.0

14:03:05 ozbot: GHash.IO and double-spending against BetCoin Dice

14:03:34 mircea_popescu: but that's... october ?!

14:03:42 mircea_popescu: Like a month ago, in September I witnessed a lot of double-spending against BetCoin Dice. I

14:03:50 mircea_popescu: herp. ghash has likely 0 to do with it.

14:04:04 Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327767.100

14:04:08 mircea_popescu: clueless dice site clone guy can't read/doesn't understand what's going on

14:04:48 mircea_popescu: wasn't btc guild 49% back in march ?

14:05:00 mircea_popescu: before their pliant attitude to the -dev chan pretty much cost them their business ?

14:05:12 Duffer1: i think they got close ya

14:14:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14791 @ 0.00084011 = 12.4261 BTC [+]

14:29:19 KRS1: i think they did something about it..ghash.io isnt maybe

14:30:11 mircea_popescu: in principle no pool should be over 40%

14:30:40 mircea_popescu: course reddit is about as likely to change weather patterns as it is likely to have any impact on this matter, but naywya.

14:33:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00083988 = 9.3185 BTC [-] {2}

14:47:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.0046 = 0.644 BTC [+]

14:51:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00083945 = 11.2486 BTC [-] {2}

14:55:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00083897 = 3.6495 BTC [-]

14:58:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 556 @ 0.001 = 0.556 BTC [+]

15:09:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02559 = 0.1024 BTC [+]

15:30:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00083901 = 12.6691 BTC [+] {2}

15:33:31 Duffer1: http://www.coindesk.com/worlds-first-insured-bitcoin-storage-service-launches-uk/

15:33:38 Duffer1: Lloyds of London

15:33:43 Duffer1: <---called it

15:34:36 asciilifeform: microscope hammer.

15:35:02 KRS1: why is not my cardano insured? INFIDELS

15:37:30 mike_c: whoa, they use "deep cold storage". that sounds better.

15:38:19 mike_c: biz idea: "super-deep frozen storage".

15:38:58 Troic_: the policy sucks, claims calculated in BTC; if rate has gone down, but GBP at insure date if rate has gone up.

15:39:19 the20year: i wonder waht their rate is

15:39:39 Troic_: 2% of total cover, in GBP

15:39:46 Duffer1: you pay more to insure at x value of fiat

15:40:28 Duffer1: dunno what their policy is if/when it goes below that..

15:40:50 the20year: fiat insurance is 2% or higher from Lloyds?

15:41:23 Duffer1: er nm i suppose that wouldn't matter for theft insurance

15:42:57 the20year: So ghash is at 42%

15:48:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10045 @ 0.00083989 = 8.4367 BTC [+] {2}

15:49:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3955 @ 0.00083882 = 3.3175 BTC [-]

15:54:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00084168 = 18.3065 BTC [+]

15:55:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00084219 = 1.9791 BTC [+]

16:05:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC [+]

16:06:24 KRS1: is it better to have deep or cold storage

16:06:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46200116 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2}

16:06:46 KRS1: like..if I have a wallet, I need it to be deep for fat stacks, but if its cold I can't exactly whip it out

16:16:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16546 @ 0.00084232 = 13.937 BTC [+] {2}

16:28:47 mjoiii: /join #bitcoin

16:29:18 mike_c: that's a big problem with bitcoin. you can't roll up a fat stack with a rubber band and slap them on the table.

16:30:13 Duffer1: paper wallets, 1 satoshi each

16:30:22 Duffer1: biggest stack of $$ you've ever seen

16:30:53 asciilifeform: there's a serious problem with the horseless carriage - you can't whip its arse to make it go faster.

16:31:34 mike_c: totally agreed! that's why horse races are more exciting than nascar.

16:31:59 Duffer1: watching water boil is more exciting than nascar

16:32:10 pankkake: and why ponygirl races are more exciting than horse races

16:32:19 asciilifeform: now if only horses could catch fire and engulf the audience in an inferno.

16:32:32 Duffer1: i'd watch that

16:32:42 mike_c: well, they do trip occasionally and then got shot right out on the track.

16:32:54 mike_c: *get

16:37:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4620505 = 0.9241 BTC [+] {2}

16:39:27 mircea_popescu: fun fact : the us has been quietly returning gold to germany

16:39:34 mircea_popescu: except... well... it doesn't have the stamps

16:39:41 mircea_popescu: "it had to be melted for transport" says the official story.

16:40:41 pankkake: filled with tungsten?

16:40:55 mircea_popescu: i doubt that.

16:41:05 pankkake: yeah they will check

16:41:13 Duffer1: is this news significant?

16:41:48 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 well... depends how much you've been following the precious metal wranglings

16:42:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00084227 = 1.7688 BTC [-]

16:42:49 Duffer1: ah ya i haven't followed metals at all

16:43:04 mike_c: not having the stamps is interesting. yet another confirmation that the fed plays games with other countries deposits.

16:43:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00084134 = 15.6069 BTC [-] {2}

16:43:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c course there's not really enough gold on deposit to be doing it

16:43:47 mircea_popescu: so unless china graciously decided to lend... or else maybe russia ?

16:43:58 mircea_popescu: or japan. india isn't, and there just aren't that many folks with gold

16:44:12 mike_c: no way china would lend us gold

16:44:14 mircea_popescu: seeing how it's worthless and not particularly important in modern finance etc.

16:44:21 mircea_popescu: why not ? it's lending everything else...

16:44:39 mike_c: that's why. gold is the only thing it hoards.

16:44:53 mike_c: at least until it starts hoarding btc

16:44:55 mircea_popescu: nope

16:44:59 mircea_popescu: ip is the only thing it hoards.

16:45:23 mircea_popescu: and as the inept leadership oif the us has been giving them absolutely all the techs in the most incredible transfer of wealth/spoliage in human history,

16:45:41 Duffer1: but dat labor so cheap

16:45:41 mike_c: it collects ip. hoarding would indicate it is creating ip and not sharing.

16:45:44 mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why they'd care about lending a little gold so various us idiots can save a little face.

16:45:52 mircea_popescu: o, it's not sharing.

16:46:04 mircea_popescu: you don't get to see what it develops on top of what it loots from us corps.

16:46:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00084246 = 22.9149 BTC [+] {2}

16:46:45 mike_c: invisible ip? what are they doing that is so cool?

16:47:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20719 @ 0.001 = 20.719 BTC [+]

16:47:18 mike_c: they can keep the cheap kewpie doll ip.

16:47:31 mircea_popescu: they're putting a guy on the moon.

16:48:14 mircea_popescu: anyway, THEIR nsa isn't being riddled with fuckwith trannies that turncoat, so you don';t really know what they are doing.

16:49:38 kakobrekla: http://dangerousminds.net/comments/humble_chinese_billionaire_has_designed_the_perfect_template_for_your_next

16:49:38 ozbot: Dangerous Minds

16:50:15 asciilifeform: considering the inclination of usg to run things at a loss (so long as said loss can be pawned off on some chump),

16:50:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00299668 = 0.2937 BTC [+]

16:50:35 asciilifeform: perhaps the gold was 'borrowed' from a neutron bombardment reactor at sandia or somesuch.

16:52:05 mircea_popescu: in these qtys ?

16:52:27 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla omfg, rpietilla is chinese

16:52:33 kakobrekla: lol

16:52:48 KRS1: thought he was espanish

16:53:01 kakobrekla: enorwegian afaik

16:53:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00299668 = 0.1648 BTC [+]

16:53:22 mircea_popescu: he's eweirdo, wherever those are

16:53:32 mircea_popescu: rhutenia or latvia or somesuch. kaspiar.

16:54:07 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla anyway, that's kind-of culture shock. the chinese do that sort of thing in chinese all the time. very self-stroking culture, it's not quite as wow as in european terms

16:55:03 kakobrekla: myea

17:03:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00084128 = 1.304 BTC [-]

17:11:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00464999 = 0.6975 BTC [+] {4}

17:12:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00465 = 0.2837 BTC [+] {2}

17:16:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00083876 = 9.9393 BTC [-]

17:17:21 benkay`: ;;gettrust benkay

17:17:21 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay` to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay`&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013

17:17:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.462011 BTC [-]

17:21:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]

17:23:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00298191 = 2.9819 BTC [-] {10}

17:31:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.10035833 = 1.2043 BTC [-] {6}

17:43:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02559 = 0.1791 BTC [+]

17:46:52 deadweasel: These nice new cheap samsung monitors are less appealing now

17:46:54 deadweasel: http://phunukieuviet.vn/phap-luat/cong-nhan-dung-do-voi-bao-ve-samsung-thai-nguyen-8-nguoi-chet.html

17:47:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00083876 = 22.4368 BTC [-]

17:49:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 625 @ 0.000475 = 0.2969 BTC [+]

17:59:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0008391 = 10.1112 BTC [+] {2}

18:01:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 15266 @ 0.005 = 76.33 BTC {4}

18:02:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00083925 = 39.0251 BTC [+]

18:02:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 60 @ 0.005 = 0.3 BTC {2}

18:03:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC

18:12:37 Duffer1: 100,000 units of mintspare now up for sale on havelock

18:12:41 PLambert: Oh look, MS is now available on Havelock. Who is excited to lose their money?

18:12:57 PLambert: bah, you beat me by a second :(

18:13:06 Duffer1: ha man i tried to warn them in that thread, hopefully that 160 is all they sell

18:13:23 PLambert: what, people are actaully buying that shit?

18:13:38 Duffer1: havelock trying to fake volume

18:13:50 PLambert: maybe it is the operator trying to make themself look more presentable

18:14:09 PLambert: bah, you beat me by a second again :(

18:14:16 Duffer1: hehe

18:14:45 Duffer1: no i expect they'll sell out because... history like repeating itself

18:15:16 topace: there's no faking volume

18:15:40 PLambert: they are asking for way too much money and giving way too little in return, and their business model is easily copied

18:15:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00048 = 0.24 BTC [+]

18:15:57 PLambert: volume is easy to fake

18:16:09 Duffer1: and the original could jsut start accepting bitcoins themselves and kill off all competition QUITE easily

18:16:25 PLambert: just need a couple bitcoins, send to stooge's account, buy shares, repeat

18:16:38 PLambert: what is the original?

18:16:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4380 @ 0.00083926 = 3.676 BTC [+] {2}

18:16:52 topace: real shares being bought with real bitcoins != fake volume

18:17:11 PLambert: can you tell the difference between real and fake?

18:17:11 jborkl: wait, so they buy old cellphones for bitcoins

18:17:18 jborkl: uggh

18:17:35 PLambert: jborkl, yeah and "fix them and resell"

18:17:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 4000 @ 0.005 = 20 BTC

18:17:55 PLambert: see, there is some fake volume?

18:18:04 Duffer1: R.I.P. 20 btc, you will be missed

18:18:13 topace: PLambert: why do you think thats "fake" ?

18:18:16 jborkl: so, when the exchange rate rapes them - they are out of business

18:18:31 PLambert: who has 20 btc and is dumb enough to fall for this?

18:18:33 topace: real bitcoins used to buy real shares

18:18:38 topace: im watching the server right now

18:18:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC

18:18:45 topace: and i wrote the damn platform

18:18:48 topace: there's no way to "fake" trades

18:19:07 PLambert: I am not saying they are fake trades, just that they are insider trades

18:19:49 topace: "[13:16:11] <PLambert> see, there is some fake volume?"

18:20:54 jborkl: topace, do you know how they plan to resell? are they shipping them overseas to Africa or selling them for BTC again?

18:21:03 PLambert: topace, I am not saying that the trade is not hapenning, just guessing that it is an insider

18:21:07 mike_c: selling them on ebay

18:21:19 Duffer1: i believe 'volume' is being used here to mean: "puppet accounts using btc to provide the illusion of demand"

18:21:19 topace: jborkl: im not involved with the actual listings anymore

18:21:45 mike_c: for lolz:

18:21:46 mike_c: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=54

18:21:53 PLambert: duffer1: right, puppet is a good word for what I meant

18:24:20 Duffer1: topace i'm not saying that is what's happening, i have no idea, that's just my overly cynical ravings talking

18:31:17 Duffer1: meanwhile at ActM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4399315#msg4399315

18:37:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC

18:57:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.49799993 = 2.988 BTC [+] {3}

18:58:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0044332 = 0.2039 BTC [-] {2}

19:01:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]

19:04:25 ThickAsThieves: https://help.overstock.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5794/c/4

19:04:26 ozbot: Bitcoin

19:04:43 ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1utcz6/bitcoin_payments_are_now_live_on_overstockcom/

19:04:43 ozbot: Bitcoin payments are now live on Overstock.com : Bitcoin

19:05:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+]

19:05:32 ThickAsThieves: partnered with coinbase on it

19:05:57 Duffer1: wow that got that done a lot faster than i thought they would

19:08:07 ThickAsThieves: they were waiting for a dip to buy in first

19:08:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5496 @ 0.00083958 = 4.6143 BTC [+]

19:09:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 22 @ 0.005 = 0.11 BTC

19:09:53 ThickAsThieves: IPO!

19:10:00 TomServo: Anyone ever used cashintocoins.com?

19:11:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 60 @ 0.005 = 0.3 BTC

19:18:39 ThickAsThieves: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/stampact/?cid=16778634

19:18:39 ozbot: Could a Civil War-Era Law Stamp Out Bitcoin? | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com

19:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 228 @ 0.005 = 1.14 BTC

19:18:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00084197 = 10.4825 BTC [+] {2}

19:18:45 ThickAsThieves: "This 152-year-old law forbids any American from issuing a check, note, or token that’s worth less than $1"

19:18:58 ThickAsThieves: guess we need satoshi dollar parity

19:19:07 Duffer1: lul :/

19:19:09 ThickAsThieves: to the bitmobile!

19:20:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 240 @ 0.005 = 1.2 BTC

19:22:38 mircea_popescu: this 226 year old constitution forbids any law from forbiding stupid shit

19:22:42 mircea_popescu: so problem solved

19:22:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

19:24:50 mircea_popescu: .d

19:24:50 ozbot: 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 680 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.6216% in 3d 18h 45m 1s

19:25:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00084161 = 9.0473 BTC [-]

19:26:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084161 = 7.9111 BTC [-]

19:33:08 KRS1: I used cashintocoins.com a few times- very good service.

19:51:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04999999 = 1.5 BTC [+]

19:52:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02559 = 0.128 BTC [+]

19:54:06 the20year: Anyone want to take a look at the revised rentalstarter business plan/disclosure?

19:54:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00084252 = 13.9437 BTC [+]

19:54:25 mike_c: sure

19:55:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 29 @ 0.005 = 0.145 BTC

20:15:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00084252 = 5.7291 BTC [+] {2}

20:22:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12495 @ 0.0008415 = 10.5145 BTC [-] {2}

20:24:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12745 @ 0.0008415 = 10.7249 BTC [-]

20:25:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31505 @ 0.00084049 = 26.4796 BTC [-]

20:27:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83780 @ 0.00083936 = 70.3216 BTC [-] {5}

20:35:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+]

20:36:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13237 @ 0.00084253 = 11.1526 BTC [+] {2}

20:36:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 30 @ 0.005 = 0.15 BTC

20:37:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.02559 = 0.3583 BTC [+]

20:39:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3136 @ 0.00009449 = 0.2963 BTC [-]

20:51:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00084118 = 22.2913 BTC [-]

20:52:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00083876 = 1.8453 BTC [-]

20:56:31 mike_c: is mpex taking wire transfers now? blockchain isn't showing any deposits since november.

20:57:36 mike_c: quiet month i guess

21:08:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.04999999 = 2 BTC [+]

21:08:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02619899 = 0.2882 BTC [+]

21:09:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 60 @ 0.005 = 0.3 BTC

21:12:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.04999999 = 1.75 BTC [+]

21:23:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]

21:41:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22758 @ 0.00084267 = 19.1775 BTC [+] {2}

21:43:30 benkay`: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/72428827671/another-massive-flawless-patching-noone-shares-the

21:43:31 ozbot: Another massive flawless patching. Noone shares the excitement. - DevOps Reactions

21:44:00 pankkake: devops is still a thing?

21:45:46 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/f097a5e09b34362dd6cf21e0da6799b8/tumblr_mygm5duF6t1sd7fomo1_1280.jpg

21:46:00 mircea_popescu: "now where did i park again ?! maybe it was in the pink ?"

21:46:13 benkay`: us management didn't turn over overnight, pankkake. still gotta deal with the derps.

21:46:24 benkay`: in the meantime, it's an acceptable shorthand for a whole buncha shit.

21:49:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02619899 = 0.524 BTC [+]

21:55:39 KRS1: nice send moar pr0ns and dtng

21:55:54 KRS1: lel definately in the pink

22:01:26 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/9d8187023d73a491c19ff1f8da809ae4/tumblr_mxzpwdAw8X1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg

22:01:32 mircea_popescu: buda, of course, is romanian for toilet

22:02:19 mike_c: speaking of virtual reality, i tried an oculus rift for the first time recently. mindblowing.

22:03:09 KRS1: Mmmm those are the eastern/European women i love so much.

22:03:46 KRS1: I think I need to move to somewhere in Europe.

22:04:00 KRS1: Probably Poland. Their womens look delicious.

22:04:29 mircea_popescu: prolly serbia is the cheapest atm.

22:05:02 mircea_popescu: kinda funny to see women that look like women declared "eastern european".

22:05:31 mircea_popescu: you know us chicks would look exactly the same if you made them walk everywhere and cook.

22:05:37 mircea_popescu: and they did back when you did.

22:05:49 KRS1: that oculus looks badass

22:06:12 BingoBoingo: Right now I'd lean towards serbia over Poland for the weather.

22:06:32 KRS1: Womens who look like that are probably of Euro descent. Most people in the U.S. are of immigrant descent.

22:06:35 mircea_popescu: serbia isn't big enough to have a weather

22:06:44 mircea_popescu: KRS1 ie, german.

22:06:59 KRS1: Except for Aborigine women..ew.

22:08:07 Vexual: yeah but give an east berlin chick a club and she'll just start dancing

22:08:13 KRS1: Aboriginal womenz http://tinyurl.com/omejnqk

22:08:20 KRS1: :X

22:08:59 KRS1: ..and that chick with the red hair is considered hawt there.

22:11:46 Vexual: http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2014-01-08/covertrail03_630.jpg real newspaper men still exist

22:12:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00084239 = 9.2663 BTC [-]

22:12:58 benkay`: nice, vex.

22:13:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00083997 = 12.0956 BTC [-]

22:15:06 KRS1: My last g/f was Polish-ish. She had greyblue eyes and very straight blondish-brown hair..if this is how Europen women mostly look I must go. There is no other type of woman for me.

22:16:51 mircea_popescu: i think europeans are mostly brunette.

22:17:05 mircea_popescu: course, if you stick to german lands...

22:23:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00083895 = 30.0764 BTC [-] {4}

22:25:39 Vexual: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Venus_de_Lespugue_%28replica%29.jpg/600px-Venus_de_Lespugue_%28replica%29.jpg

22:25:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9090 @ 0.00083692 = 7.6076 BTC [-] {2}

22:28:27 Vexual: it's amazing what an ice age can do

22:28:27 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

22:28:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC [+]

22:32:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00084367 = 7.593 BTC [+]

22:38:52 KRS1: Germany it is!

22:39:23 KRS1: Brunettes...pubes..its like the black hole..can't go down there..not down with that.

22:40:02 KRS1: I just love the round-robin discussion topic nature of IRC.

23:01:09 martjoh: Hello everyone

23:03:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2199 @ 0.00083798 = 1.8427 BTC [-]

23:03:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00298649 = 0.3584 BTC [+] {3}

23:03:55 mike_c: hello

23:04:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00299699 = 0.1648 BTC [+]

23:05:59 benkay: what brings you to -assets, martjoh?

23:07:32 nubbins`: hi

23:07:42 nubbins`: so i've decided to throw some money away

23:08:40 Vexual: solar powered mining nubs?

23:09:11 nubbins`: nah. just listed a rare casascius coin on ebay, starting bid $3.8k

23:09:15 nubbins`: (HEH)

23:09:27 nubbins`: likely will lose listing fees

23:09:36 martjoh: benkay, I was referred and i would love just to check it out

23:12:40 benkay: referred by whom, martjoh? what topics pique your interest?

23:16:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.02505687 = 0.3508 BTC [-] {3}

23:28:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.002997 = 0.5035 BTC [+]

23:28:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 65 @ 0.003 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3}

23:32:41 kakobrekla: http://www.wired.com/business/2014/01/overstock-bitcoin-live/

23:32:41 ozbot: The Grand Experiment Goes Live: Overstock.com Is Now Accepting Bitcoins | Wired Business | Wired.com

23:32:49 kakobrekla: dunno im prolly late anyway

23:32:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27851 @ 0.00083821 = 23.345 BTC [+] {3}

23:35:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64013 @ 0.00084401 = 54.0276 BTC [+] {3}

23:36:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187 @ 0.0008454 = 0.1581 BTC [+]

23:38:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3549 @ 0.0008434 = 2.9932 BTC [-]

23:41:10 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Such a shame Roger Ver was so readily displaced as the used electronics BTC Jesus

23:43:15 kakobrekla: heh

23:48:31 nubbins`: thinking about putting linux on a touchscreen netbook for my mother. distro recommendations?

23:48:40 nubbins`: thinking ubuntu or mint, not sure about touch support in either

23:49:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00083651 = 21.9584 BTC [-]

23:49:58 PLambert: isn't android a linux version made for touch screens?

23:52:21 nubbins`: after a fashion

23:54:27 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Ubuntu isn't bad for such uses so long as someone isn't betting their life on the machine

23:55:05 nubbins`: nah, just casual use

23:55:11 nubbins`: she's in her 60s

23:58:05 benkay: just get her an apple, nubbins`. you'll be so much less burdened with tech support...

23:58:19 nubbins`: i'd love to, she doesn't want to spend the $$

23:58:28 nubbins`: her last netbook was $300 and lasted 4 years

23:59:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17987 @ 0.00083651 = 15.0463 BTC [-]

23:59:49 PLambert: I thought Ubuntu was releasing a mobile version soon, that would imply they are trying to support touchscreens?