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Transcript for 09-01-2015, 907 lines:

00:00:11 mircea_popescu: "At the heart of the controversy is a breakdown in public trust that reflects the dangers of corporate-led water privatization schemes in the United States and around the world."

00:00:32 mircea_popescu: holy shit! for 30 fucking years all the world could hear from us' imf "experts" was privatize, privatize, privatize

00:00:49 mircea_popescu: now there's dangers involved ? shit, i guess we gotta go apologize to all the locals that said so back then ?

00:00:59 mircea_popescu: o wait, they don;t have facebook profiles. nm.

00:02:04 pete_dushenski: send them instagram selfies of imf experts making sad faces

00:02:08 assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2VBMYPJ.txt )

00:02:08 BingoBoingo: !b 4

00:02:29 mircea_popescu: Most troubling are charges of decades of revolving-door cronyism surrounding Joe Glicker, a vice president of CH2M Hill, the company awarded the contracts to build the new covered reservoirs for Portland. Not only was Glicker a former chief engineer of the Portland Water Bureau (PWB), he also worked as a core consultant with the EPA to write the very LT2 rules that now require these massive "emergency" water infrastruc

00:02:31 mircea_popescu: ture projects.

00:02:35 mircea_popescu: ajaha sweet.

00:02:57 mircea_popescu: "Glicker's hand in crafting the LT2 ruling helped create an unfunded mandate that opened new markets for his company, while blindsiding cash-strapped municipalities across the country."

00:03:05 mircea_popescu: dude... god save Botswana over there.

00:03:35 pete_dushenski: blindsiding? you'd think botswana would just expect to be shit on by now

00:03:45 pete_dushenski: it's sorta the norm, neh?

00:04:12 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude... god save Botswana over there. << Stahp impeaching Botswana's reputation by implying the United States resembles it.

00:04:26 mircea_popescu: but botswana's reputation sucks.

00:04:53 BingoBoingo: But compared to the US it should suck less!

00:05:14 BingoBoingo: People's epistemic frameworks for determining suck are broken.

00:05:31 pete_dushenski: speaking of cognac, i wonder what albert camus woulda thought of a $2100 bottle of the stuff bearing his name

00:05:41 mircea_popescu: prolly nothing much

00:05:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture.

00:06:12 pete_dushenski: eh prolly

00:06:36 mircea_popescu: mike_c: is this new "1 week buffer from event" copy now standard practice? << people like putting it in. what can i say ?

00:08:36 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo why ? it's the same tribal, pretentious, inept culture. << At least Botswana's economy accepts that it exists simply as a tool for extracting raw resources.

00:08:56 mircea_popescu: nope.

00:09:07 mircea_popescu: they pretend, just like everyone else, to the utmost of their ability.

00:09:23 mircea_popescu: that it's obvious to you but not to them has more to do with the fact that they're used to their own shit than anything.

00:09:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970220 << but it gets pretty thoroughly shot down ?

00:09:45 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 20:53:34; asciilifeform: http://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/35154/whether-to-tell-his-prospective-employer-that-a-new-male-post-doc-opposes-affirm << found this by pure accident. linking here just for mircea_popescu's butterfly collection.

00:13:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970234 << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak havesomething similar i dun recall ?

00:13:32 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 21:24:49; jurov: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion

00:13:37 BingoBoingo: Well it's like the KeystoneXL pipeline debate for which both sides neglect to discuss the destination of oil flowing through it (the export market)

00:15:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2015#970234 << remember the days ceausescu was proposing the exact thing ? did husak havesomething similar i dun recall ? << Because they can't imagine people having occasion to fuck in the winter?

00:15:14 assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 21:24:49; jurov: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html had to double check it isn't the onion

00:15:39 mircea_popescu: it's a commie thing.

00:15:54 mircea_popescu: i dunno exactly what inflamed part of the cerebrum it comes from, but it's a commie thing.

00:15:57 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

00:16:46 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo re keystone xl: eh could just as well be domestic consumption

00:16:47 BingoBoingo: I thought the entire point of having a domicile was heating it so clothing inside became optional.

00:16:56 pete_dushenski: might as well really

00:17:19 pete_dushenski: export pipelines to china from alberta are happening whether keystone goes forward or not

00:17:37 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not really. Domestically we are getting the oil just fine. There's refineries spread all over the country. The point of the pipe is it runs to the ports in Texas.

00:18:10 asciilifeform: winter clothing << the comical heat-only-the-humans-with-microwave-turret gadget from the film series 'silicon valley' was - afaik - proposed in earnest. possibly in ussr. vague recollection.

00:18:50 asciilifeform: ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvDHKKsCL4 (scene)

00:18:52 assbot: Silicon Valley - Human heater - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXHRYy )

00:19:01 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area?

00:22:02 undata: mircea_popescu: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/portland-reservoir-urine_n_5243586.html

00:22:03 assbot: Portland Will Save Reservoir Water Tainted By Teen's Urine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HXIUYG )

00:22:10 undata: ^ clearly this merits spending a few hundred million

00:22:20 mircea_popescu: "spending"

00:22:26 mircea_popescu: you're looking at it wrong

00:22:29 mircea_popescu: "job creation"

00:22:36 mircea_popescu: it's not really money.

00:22:50 undata: look that reservoir, you didn't make that to piss in, we all did

00:23:02 asciilifeform: calculate ppm. s/saxitoxin/piss

00:23:23 asciilifeform: how much must drink from the reservoir to get lethal dose.

00:23:26 undata: and yet people still swim in the river

00:24:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: seems like it does require a crown contract attesting to the fact of use in a particular product, along with statement of disposal arrangements << uranium is, if mishandled, extremely toxic.

00:24:27 mircea_popescu: kinda why du projectiles keep coming close to ban

00:24:29 asciilifeform: (one of strongest known poisons, ld-50 for man ~= 0.5 mg)

00:25:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Pu - toxic; dU is a weak alpha emitter

00:25:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get letal does with what certainty ?

00:25:15 asciilifeform: 0.5

00:25:23 asciilifeform: (def of ld50)

00:25:25 mircea_popescu: because the us is built on "0% risk", see. otherwise smoking is ok and no need for helmets.

00:25:32 mircea_popescu: so, a cupful is enoguh

00:25:36 mircea_popescu: re u : it's chemically toxic.

00:26:53 undata: google says the average bladder is about 0.5 L

00:26:55 mircea_popescu: on an equal exposure basis, suspended particulates / oxides way way beat stuff like azbestos.

00:26:59 asciilifeform: heavy metal - yes

00:27:09 mircea_popescu: more so than gold.

00:27:13 mircea_popescu: it's lead++

00:27:52 asciilifeform: gold is biologically inert for practical purposes

00:28:05 mircea_popescu: but a heavy metal.

00:28:18 asciilifeform: aha

00:28:22 asciilifeform: not the only edible one, either

00:28:29 asciilifeform: Bi is mostly inert in man

00:28:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, gold oxides and suspensions are very moderately toxic

00:28:40 asciilifeform: aha. coordination complex.

00:28:42 mircea_popescu: (the colodial silver folk are the working study group for this)

00:28:52 asciilifeform: (recall how aqua regia works)

00:29:00 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform http://www.contravex.com/2014/12/29/immigration-policy-is-about-barriers-to-entry-not-fairness-or-how-paul-graham-thinks-programmers-are-inventors/#comment-7994

00:29:01 assbot: Immigration policy is about barriers to entry, not fairness; or how Paul Graham thinks programmers are inventors | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1xKEm4H )

00:30:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: though if nanotube goes in for this, omidyar should go <<< turns out stan is ALSO toxic

00:30:50 mircea_popescu: uncontrolled laughter with liduid aspiration

00:30:55 mircea_popescu: possibly life threatening.

00:30:57 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i merely thought it was odd that you brought up two figures who are not, afaik, known to have invented anything as examples of inventor

00:31:45 pete_dushenski: hmm. "known" ?

00:31:54 pete_dushenski: i mean you know a lot about a lot of things

00:32:14 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: possibly you knew of some invention that i am not aware of, attributed to these men ?

00:32:33 mircea_popescu: now i gotta checkthis

00:32:49 pete_dushenski: i guess an "inventor" for me doesn't have to have a specific product attributed to them

00:33:01 pete_dushenski: as much as being known for their, well, craftiness

00:33:08 asciilifeform: for instance, one often meets with discussion of how edison 'did not invent' x. which, for most values of x, is technically true. but i have not been able to find evidence (did try) that he is not the actual inventor of phonograph.

00:33:11 mircea_popescu: well he doesn't mean inventor-inventor, like tesla.

00:33:12 pete_dushenski: to which point i think both deserve some credit

00:33:18 mircea_popescu: he means what graham means. business major.

00:33:32 asciilifeform: (though a certain frenchman did record audio in a very edisonesque manner, without playing back, a few years before e.)

00:34:12 pete_dushenski: sure, but edison is still an inventor

00:34:23 pete_dushenski: whether or not he was "the first to 'invent' xyz"

00:34:32 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: herr jobs & bezos are well-known figures but they are 'inventors' in much the same way as they are ballerinas.

00:34:40 mircea_popescu: so the opposite of inventor is "anonymous" ?

00:34:50 pete_dushenski: lol

00:34:55 asciilifeform: what's the opposite of ballerina ?

00:35:03 mircea_popescu: i was talking to him lol.

00:35:04 pete_dushenski: unballerina

00:35:07 pete_dushenski: tap dancer

00:35:18 mircea_popescu: and the opposite of ballerina is, dependopopotamus.

00:35:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00062859 = 16.9719 BTC [+]

00:35:39 asciilifeform: l0l

00:36:45 mircea_popescu: i guess if you're a lesbian ballerina coneisseurette, it's a dildo.

00:36:49 mircea_popescu: still starts with d.

00:37:35 pete_dushenski: in a way, i suppose that the opposite of an inventor is anonymous...

00:38:06 pete_dushenski: not that the opposite of anonymous is an inventor

00:38:45 mircea_popescu: so what's spinoza ?

00:39:13 pete_dushenski: writer, philosopher...

00:39:18 pete_dushenski: i see where you're going

00:39:36 mircea_popescu: On April 5, DPR wrote: "I've received the picture and deleted it. Thank you again for your swift action."

00:39:38 mircea_popescu: dude...

00:39:40 mircea_popescu: HE DELETED IT

00:39:45 pete_dushenski: and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words

00:39:57 mircea_popescu: i enjoy reading these articles even if it's the same subject matter all over again,

00:40:01 mircea_popescu: because it's all so damned funny.

00:40:09 mircea_popescu: sorta like watching carlin over.

00:40:20 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski iirc he invented some lens bits.

00:40:50 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu aha yknow come to think of it that rings a bell

00:41:05 pete_dushenski: you just caught me in the middle of reading "ethics" again and that's the salient bit

00:41:27 mircea_popescu: but, since he's mentioned,

00:41:30 mircea_popescu: Schisms do not originate in a love of truth, which is a source of courtesy and gentleness, but rather in an inordinate desire for supremacy. From all these considerations it is clearer than the Sun at noonday, that the true schismatics are those who condemn other men's writings, and seditiously stir up the quarrelsome masses against their authors, rather than those authors themselves, who generally write only for the l

00:41:30 mircea_popescu: earned, and appeal solely to reason. In fact, the real disturbers of the peace are those who, in a free state, seek to curtail the liberty of judgment which they are unable to tyrannize over.

00:43:40 pete_dushenski: sharp

00:43:58 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo right, but you're saying there's no domestic need in the texas area? << Texas itself net exports on its own

00:44:20 mircea_popescu: this is true.

00:45:29 pete_dushenski: “The greatest secret of monarchic rule...is to keep men deceived and to cloak in the specious name of religion the fear by which they must be checked, so that they will fight for slavery as they would for salvation, and will think it not shameful, but a most honorable achievement, to give their life and blood that one man may have a ground for boasting.”

00:45:49 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too?

00:46:10 mircea_popescu: well actually i don't think it's shameful either.

00:46:25 mircea_popescu: what else would life&blood be given for ? moar offspring ?

00:47:03 mircea_popescu: shit, "human girls asshole" search string trendingon fraudsters. THE ALIENS HAVE LANDED!

00:47:08 mircea_popescu: looking for butts to probe

00:47:22 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo ok, but it's neighbours too? << Yes, especially the neighbors. "Fracking"

00:47:27 asciilifeform: (human (girl's asshole))

00:47:40 asciilifeform: like 'human cannonball' etc

00:48:07 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu spinoza's just saying it's a "secret"

00:48:24 mircea_popescu: who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ?

00:48:50 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who would need oil there, arizona ?! new mexico ? << This. Also Oklahomo, Louisiana...

00:49:00 pete_dushenski: further north, monsanto farms

00:49:07 pete_dushenski: i dunno

00:50:42 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> further north, monsanto farms Further north and Keystone XL doesn't need to be as long. Right now trains and barges move crude. Refineries scatted around as well.

01:08:18 BingoBoingo: I actually think this whole fracking/pipeline thing is rather poetic. The United States is literally shattering the country's bedrock to become more like Nigeria.

01:10:38 asciilifeform: !up RagnarDanneskjol

01:10:47 asciilifeform: somebody do it

01:11:12 nubbins`: !up CerberusVM

01:11:17 nubbins`: o woe is me

01:11:26 asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol> asciilifeform - update from nano from few hours ago:

01:11:26 asciilifeform: <RagnarDanneskjol> (23:51:57) nanotube: hi, looks like outbound connectivity is dead on my vps. filed support request, would appreciate someone to take a look

01:11:51 nubbins`: hi, looks like i was offline for 2 weeks and am only now noticing :D

01:11:54 asciilifeform: any ops awake ?

01:12:39 BingoBoingo: !up[ RagnarDanneskjol

01:13:00 BingoBoingo: !up CerberusVM

01:13:11 BingoBoingo: !up RagnarDanneskjol

01:13:42 TomServo: mircea_popescu: Naw, I had just noticed he joined the chan earlier.

01:13:43 nubbins`: CerberusVM: welcome

01:14:02 nubbins`: apologies for the technical difficulties, gribble's absence has left us mildly encumbered

01:22:23 thestringpuller: we have ops now?

01:22:40 thestringpuller: what if nanotube leaving was an attempt to make ops in our channel

01:22:44 asciilifeform: whateverthey'recalled

01:22:47 thestringpuller: kakobrekla and mircea_popescu were in on it

01:24:51 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

01:24:57 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL

01:25:19 pete_dushenski: heya PeterL

01:25:40 RagnarDanneskjol: While we anxiously await gribb's return, its worth mentioning, the best btc exchange avail is funded by donations...address is at bottom of OTC website

01:25:43 pete_dushenski: since there's no ;;later function, you'll note that i left you a msg in the logs

01:25:45 RagnarDanneskjol: https://mobile.twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/533660967549157376

01:25:46 assbot: Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/14AqyyU )

01:25:46 PeterL: wrt pipeline: I thought they were piping it to texas because that is where the refineries are, refineries are there because that is where ports are?

01:26:34 BingoBoingo: PeterL: Well a number of refineries there, but there' refineries pretty much everywhere.

01:28:30 pete_dushenski: off on a date. laters!

01:30:30 PeterL: Justin Amash has an interesting take on the issue, https://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash/posts/557041991001878

01:30:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1x1b64w )

01:31:14 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: convenience is appreciated esp. by the chronically inconvenienced. << does this mean you also appreciate time management?

01:32:33 *: asciilifeform confused

01:38:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00062169 = 31.0845 BTC [-]

01:46:05 PeterL: mircea_popescu: you said a replacement for gribble auth was in the works, were you referring to "gossipd" or a more readily available something else, like using assbot for auth?

01:46:19 mircea_popescu: PeterL the latter.

01:46:33 PeterL: any details available?

01:46:45 mircea_popescu: fwiw, nano said hi earlier, benign story is benign.

01:47:07 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall

01:47:25 mircea_popescu: so, shouldn't be so very long.

01:47:45 mircea_popescu: tempted to guess it'll be before bitstamp's exchange's back online at any rate :D

01:47:54 PeterL: lol

02:16:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46750 @ 0.00064463 = 30.1365 BTC [+]

02:21:49 nanotube: yes, nanotube is alive. unfortunately, my server network isn't so much. :)

02:23:43 mod6: wb nano

02:26:44 nanotube: :)

02:27:26 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the agreement is adding assbot wot capabilities is desirable and strengthens the whole shebang overall << will assbot write to a wot db - assbot_wot.db if you will? or will it just be read-only?

02:28:56 mircea_popescu: read only wouldn't make much sense would it.

02:29:55 thestringpuller: ah so the wot is forking ;)

02:30:57 mircea_popescu: on the plus side, since we have the signed pastebin thing down pat by now,

02:31:01 mircea_popescu: it can actually do signed ratings

02:31:56 mike_c: can it get 'rated since' right? so you don't have to weigh whether it is worth changing a rating description vs losing the original rating date.

02:32:22 thestringpuller: if you're upgrading why not take revision of rating

02:32:33 thestringpuller: rating v1 v2 v3

02:32:54 mike_c: meh. i don't mind replacing. rating shouldn't necessarily follow you forever.

02:32:55 mircea_popescu: mike_c this is a good idea huh.

02:33:43 mircea_popescu: that weighing is a bitch.

02:34:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00062202 = 18.3807 BTC [-]

02:34:57 thestringpuller: mike_c: well some things stay ony our credit report for years even if the rating changes :P

02:35:01 thestringpuller: on your*

02:35:20 mike_c: yes. thankfully we are not experian :)

02:35:55 thestringpuller: when did the cult become forgiving :P

02:36:11 mircea_popescu: if they're signed they don't go away anyway.

02:36:22 mircea_popescu: hekc, the old ones don't go away either, you can just log the chan.

02:36:44 thestringpuller: they can if you rate through pm

02:36:59 mike_c: there's a channel with all rating updates

02:37:07 thestringpuller: oh rly?

02:37:10 asciilifeform: gonna be a mega-lol when 'gossip' is plugged in and we do yet another 'year zero'..

02:37:35 thestringpuller: so the db is gonna be fresh, everyone has to re-register keys and stuff?

02:37:51 thestringpuller: by mention of 'year zero' ~_~

02:37:56 mike_c: thestringpuller: #bitcoin-otc-ratings

02:38:32 asciilifeform: a full-bore year zero would require everybody suddenly forgetting their keys

02:38:43 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun see why it would have to be fresh.

02:38:54 mircea_popescu: there's copies to the old one prev to jan 6th or w/e.

02:39:13 mircea_popescu: same for gossipd.

02:39:17 thestringpuller: yah just wondering.

02:39:25 thestringpuller: asciilifeform had me confused with 'year zero'

02:39:32 thestringpuller: i was thinking of the NiN album

02:39:38 *: asciilifeform just fond of the phrase

02:39:51 thestringpuller: then you'll love the album :P

02:50:12 BingoBoingo: !up blazeme8

02:50:16 blazeme8: ty

02:50:19 BingoBoingo: !up kermit

02:50:19 blazeme8: what's WoT?

02:51:01 BingoBoingo: The instrument of restoring Venetian civilization

02:51:47 mircea_popescu: blazeme8 http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/

02:51:47 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRTbmv )

02:52:20 blazeme8: ooohh the thing from bitcoin-otc

02:52:34 mircea_popescu: yea

02:55:49 blazeme8: man I have no idea if i still have my key

02:58:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14652 @ 0.00065395 = 9.5817 BTC [+]

03:02:55 BingoBoingo: http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-to-call-for-two-years-of-free-community-college-for-all-students-1420760026 << Now Obola wants to rob people of entire years of their life

03:02:56 assbot: Obama Calls for Two Years of Free Community College for All Students - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ix7xtC )

03:03:48 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/richardwarnica/status/553361241704771585

03:03:51 assbot: "You have to be careful about drinking around me," Cosby just said to a woman in the crowd. Loud gasps from the audience.

03:04:26 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/richardwarnica/status/553361505723621377

03:04:28 assbot: The gasps then changed to cheers and applause.

03:08:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gotta keep them somewhere

03:08:50 mircea_popescu: would you prefer working camps ?

03:10:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe? Then again I don't have a community college degree. Maybe I should stick around in the US just long enough to get an Obama degree.

03:10:33 mircea_popescu: what's this, like the aids joke ?

03:11:03 mircea_popescu: (bum goes to donate blood. "do you have aids ?" "no. do you ?" "actually... yes." "gimme two.")

03:11:49 BingoBoingo: lol

03:12:31 BingoBoingo: Trying to catch AIDs for the welfare is apparently actually a subculture.

03:12:46 mircea_popescu: ;;google "poz my neg hole"

03:13:20 BingoBoingo: ;;google bugchasing

03:32:59 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/xidiff-retirement/

03:35:02 nanotube: gribble should be coming back any time now.

03:36:18 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Broken link in that latest post

03:39:53 thestringpuller: welcome back gribble

03:39:57 thestringpuller: ;;echo it's good to be back

03:40:06 thestringpuller: :(

03:40:16 gribble: it's good to be back

03:42:04 danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6yQYkMIYAAhu96.jpg

03:42:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AO9HVn )

03:44:33 thestringpuller: she's cute lol

03:46:49 BingoBoingo: http://crazyrxman.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-irony-of-authorities-inventory.html

03:46:50 assbot: Crazy RxMan: The Irony of The Authorities' Inventory Management ... ( http://bit.ly/1AOaMfU )

03:50:52 BingoBoingo: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5lETKoWP-j4/VJmC5KY9BEI/AAAAAAAAKxU/sxlODQUDslo/s1600/tumblr_nfcelg4CWO1qabj53o1_500.jpeg

03:50:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAkBsx )

03:52:44 BingoBoingo: !up svetlana

04:05:42 thestringpuller: !up GNULinuxGuy

04:13:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61550 @ 0.00061813 = 38.0459 BTC [-] {5}

04:13:26 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

04:13:27 gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.

04:14:58 danielpbarron: http://www.warriorforum.com/social-media/1020448-sobit-bitcoin-social-network.html#post9798699

04:14:59 assbot: SoBIT an Bitcoin Social Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1wAqjuh )

04:24:13 BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier

04:26:25 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ty!

04:29:14 mircea_popescu: lol @derpy blondy

04:32:26 mircea_popescu: i don't get chemist's complaint.

04:33:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Was told to cut $$$ value of inventory, was sent a bunch of expensive about to expire.

04:34:26 *: ben_vulpes sighs, cracks neck

04:34:31 mircea_popescu: obviously ?

04:34:46 mircea_popescu: the two are unrelated tho. they had some shit about to expire. of coruse it gets sent out.

04:34:50 mircea_popescu: what else, sit on it ?

04:36:18 BingoBoingo: Well, Zostavax is notorious for being used infrequently to never.

04:36:27 mircea_popescu: i suppose the error is the bizarre notion that headquarters is in the business of doing the shop's job, only they have better tools ?

04:36:37 mircea_popescu: that's not how business works. the shop is in the business of solving hq's problems. all of them.

04:36:47 mircea_popescu: that's why the shop exists. if it doesn't do that, it can dangle.

04:36:47 BingoBoingo: Right, and HQ does the shop's job poorly

04:37:07 mircea_popescu: zostavax is notorious for being the main source of shingles in the us, but that's another story.

04:37:14 BingoBoingo: Sure.

04:37:30 BingoBoingo: Prevents/causes shingles

04:37:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, the reason they pushed for lowering inventory is probably exactly the fact that they keep ending up with shit that doesn'tsell because it expires.

04:38:01 mircea_popescu: if anything that delivery is the explanation of why the fuck the call was even necessary.

04:38:49 BingoBoingo: Right. Example of inept "failed to success" HQ crowd

04:38:53 BingoBoingo: Like Obola

04:39:16 danielpbarron: ;;later tell grubles any comment on this? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2014#959288

04:39:16 assbot: Logged on 23-12-2014 19:47:34; mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.

04:39:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:39:19 mircea_popescu: speaking of horrible us pharma crapola that's ended up giving vaccines a bad name in the us, and the people who (properly!) refuse vaccination now get to be depicted as redneck savages because o noes, vaccines are great (they would be, and they were before us companies got involved) :

04:39:32 mircea_popescu: i am deeply amused at how everything's "an allergic reaction" now.

04:39:38 mircea_popescu: perhaps because it sounds so like allogenic.

04:39:42 BingoBoingo: Why lawyer with a law degree when you can "community organize" for better hours and pay

04:39:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, "got shingles from the merck vaccine ? O ITS JUS TAN ALLERGIC REACTION WILL GO AWAY"

04:40:06 mircea_popescu: guess what fuckers... so would shingles.

04:40:44 BingoBoingo: Well, live virus vaccine and Elderly patients are circles you don't want touching on a Venn Diagram anyways.

04:41:05 mircea_popescu: but you gotta sell crap for 200 bux a pop or w/e it is

04:41:55 BingoBoingo: Yeah

04:41:58 mircea_popescu: and i fat least all this embezzled money went into research, you know ? all the idiots that gave themselves zona zooster because "medicine" and "Science" could at least serve humanity.

04:42:22 mircea_popescu: but, just like in the case of shittywood and so on, the actual creatives get 1.5% and tjhey gotta be in a union for that even.

04:42:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00089285 = 2.2321 BTC [-] {14}

04:44:48 BingoBoingo: Well, it is one of those cases where what works for polio does not work for the more beneign herpes zoster.

04:45:58 mircea_popescu: this is perhaps the best example of bs. first off, idiot us derps are more affraid of pain than anytihng. so let's create this fantastic disease which CAN HURT REALLY BAD

04:46:06 mircea_popescu: which it can, theoretically, in extremely rare cases.

04:46:24 mircea_popescu: and then let's sell a vaccine for it. which is a shitload more expensive than a useful one, like the polio one.

04:46:47 mircea_popescu: vaccine doesn't work, but that's ok, because the thing it "protects " against doesn't really happen.

04:46:56 BingoBoingo: I mean shingles is the perfect disease that hurts bad without threatening life.

04:46:58 mircea_popescu: if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is.

04:48:36 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if that's not the 3rd millenium united states i have no idea what is. << Well also the part where the only chance most USians have to gape in awe at a golden toilet is at the doctor's (or increasingly almost doctor's)

04:48:38 []bot: Bet created: "LTC to top one bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1097/

04:52:48 []bot: Bet created: "LTC to fall below half a bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1098/

04:57:50 mircea_popescu: check out idiotpedia : "An allogenic succession can be brought about in a number of ways which can include: Volcanic eruptions Meteor or comet strike Flooding Drought Earthquakes Non-anthropogenic climate change"

04:58:03 mircea_popescu: totally. except the only climate change documented to date is caused BY FUCKING BACTERIA

04:58:49 mircea_popescu: not by humans. and it doesn't properly fit allogenic succession definition, but because, like the putative anthropogenic climate change that allegedly is being prevented by that dumb teenager in the snow up in the log, is caused by fucking living things.

04:59:21 mircea_popescu: then people want to know why retardopedia is not a source of information. this is why. because in the mouths of the stupid, even good sense loses itself.

05:00:33 mircea_popescu: there's no intrinsic quality that makes a text string "science". it's the signature on it. a repository of anon derpage can be an encyclopedia like a pile of ascari lumbricoides can be my wife.

05:00:39 mircea_popescu: "hey, it's genetic material". sure it is.

05:02:31 []bot: Bet created: "15% incremental difficulty increase before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1099/

05:03:14 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "15% incremental difficulty increase before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1099/ Odds: 0(Y):100(N) by coin, 0(Y):100(N) by weight. Total bet: 2 BTC. Current weight: 100,000.

05:03:29 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "LTC to top one bitcent before March" http://bitbet.us/bet/1097/ Odds: 4(Y):96(N) by coin, 4(Y):96(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,975.

05:06:23 *: BingoBoingo suspects dead virus "chicken pox" vaccine isn't possible without triggering serious autoimmune issues. Herpes is in our DNA.

05:08:47 mircea_popescu: more like it's one of those viruses for which the capsid plays so many functions, it's not really anything without it

05:10:15 BingoBoingo: Yeah. Also successful enough to bury its blueprints within our own almsot universally.

05:16:23 []bot: Bet created: "Cardano to Ship in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/

05:16:54 mircea_popescu: wasn't there one of these ?

05:17:33 mircea_popescu: lol 3. xmas, 2014 now 2015

05:17:47 mircea_popescu: lucky asciilifeform is out of bitcoin, can't put nething down :D

05:34:44 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Cardano to Ship in 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1100/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 5(Y):95(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,997.

05:39:40 thestringpuller: damn asciilifeform can't get a break

05:46:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00065 = 18.07 BTC [+]

05:49:55 mod6: ;;bc,stats

05:49:58 gribble: Current Blocks: 338158 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 529 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44388130141.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.22019

05:50:01 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

05:50:02 gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.

05:50:14 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market btce

05:50:15 gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 282.048, Best ask: 282.049, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 282.048, 24 hour volume: 7930.86953, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 291.979, 24 hour vwap: 284.542495

05:50:29 BingoBoingo: US emigration law is fucked

05:51:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82051 @ 0.00065916 = 54.0847 BTC [+] {6}

06:14:38 fluffypony: lol, the XPY crowd apparently don't like CoinFire: http://imgur.com/ksgp5fF

06:14:41 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzabzJ )

07:02:21 thestringpuller: !up MetatronOne

07:38:16 mircea_popescu: wo's thje xpy crowd ?

07:39:22 mircea_popescu: lmao wait, garza's scamcoin now has an army on top of all the other things it doesn't have ?

07:39:25 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Homero Garza cult

07:39:31 mircea_popescu: wtf happened to "brick and mortar stores" ?

07:39:40 mircea_popescu: not to mention a bottom line and stuff like that.

07:40:06 BingoBoingo: Their problem is they lack an effective prophet of doom like the one we maintain in danielpbarron

07:40:21 BingoBoingo: Essential cult 101 stuff

07:40:31 mircea_popescu: lulzy anyway. cazalla pops their bubble, they go kill some dude in indiana ?

07:41:13 BingoBoingo: To be fair unlike qntra coinfire keeps poking that dead thing instead of trying to respect the only enough bullets to kill it rule.

07:41:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00066284 = 24.9891 BTC [+] {3}

07:41:34 mircea_popescu: heh.

07:41:49 mircea_popescu: tbh, i dun see what further news can be had on it.

07:41:54 mircea_popescu: "scam blew up."

07:41:56 mircea_popescu: ok...

07:42:31 BingoBoingo: Well, coinfire keeps talking about every new wound that emerges as it bleeds out.

07:43:02 BingoBoingo: The qntra position in contrast is its dead, let it rot in relative peace.

07:43:54 *: BingoBoingo swears a piece on Roger Ver and American emigration law is indeed coming. Looking like it will be the biggest turd I've dropped into qntra's bowl so far.

07:44:12 mircea_popescu: have cazalla cut out words if unsure.

07:44:18 mircea_popescu: news should be snappy.

07:45:52 BingoBoingo: Organizing it is still the problem being wrestled with. Elbow deep in the horse rectum of 'Murican emigration law and hand's feeling numb because that sphincter is tight like East Germany's was.

07:46:22 mircea_popescu: heh

07:46:31 mircea_popescu: now im looking forward to see this thing

07:47:39 BingoBoingo: Well. Working on getting this one right considering it may be applicable to my own plan to escape the moon by stacking chairs.

07:49:44 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#c2616

07:49:45 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4375.82 B (80%) on No | closing in 1 month 6 days | weight: 10`934 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1BSZ1mH )

07:49:49 mircea_popescu: "That's quite publicity for MP for a mere 5 BTC (he owns half bitbet), maybe less. (It's obvious that bitcoin will go up faster, so not many will bet no)"

07:49:56 mircea_popescu: gotta love the wisdom of the crowds.

07:50:44 BingoBoingo: Sample preview sentence: While most civilized states merely require proof of onward travel in a form as simple as a plane ticket to a destination outside of their borders, United States consulates in making determinations however evaluate applicants "holistically" with an emphasis not on forward travel for potential visitors, but on return specifically to their country of residence.

07:56:06 BingoBoingo: It's mostly just a mind fuck documenting the behavior of a gravity well from a non-astronomical perspective.

07:56:29 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i forget, what was the bitcoin bowl thing cost ?

07:57:04 BingoBoingo: $500k for sponsorhips rights alone. The rest of the marketing all came with other costs.

07:57:24 BingoBoingo: Actual owner of the game is "ESPN Events"

08:01:38 BingoBoingo: So actual mindfuck. Many of the treaties offering USians Visa free travel... demand the US reciprocate...

08:02:24 mircea_popescu: aha.

08:03:28 BingoBoingo: If not always in the treaty text, often in the national laws of counterparty states reciprocity is mandated.

08:05:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00064595 = 17.4407 BTC [-]

08:12:30 mircea_popescu: so ?

08:15:20 BingoBoingo: Just weird digging into the ways the US really is rogue.

08:15:49 BingoBoingo: Prolly easier to count they ways USia is compliant than deviant

08:19:13 BingoBoingo: I mean the US has its own bizzaro EU with Microneia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau

08:20:16 BingoBoingo: Germany only wishes the EU could be so lopsided

08:44:48 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-picostocks/ << lol remember last year ?

08:44:49 assbot: And another one bites the dust : Picostocks pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTaKS5 )

08:47:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/jackson-palmer-year-dogecoin-jar-nutella-all-i-have-show-1478649 << pretty sweet.

08:47:56 assbot: Jackson Palmer: I created $20m Dogecoin phenomenon and all I have to show for it is a jar of Nutella ... ( http://bit.ly/1BTbpTG )

08:55:49 davout: yay all hail gribble

08:58:28 davout: thestringpuller: you can hardly resolve 'never launched', you may be able to decide whether something was active at some date

08:59:09 mircea_popescu: http://nypost.com/2015/01/03/afraid-of-loss-espn-makes-fast-cash-on-bitcoin-payment

08:59:12 assbot: Afraid of loss, ESPN makes fast cash on Bitcoin payment | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzDnqk )

08:59:17 mircea_popescu: heh. some publicity.

09:00:04 davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"

09:01:17 davout: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2015&bots=true#968852 <<< by all means :D

09:01:17 assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 19:12:27; mircea_popescu: i guess ima have to bring an exchange online willy-nilly.

09:01:22 mircea_popescu: and then people disagree on what "main net" means

09:02:54 davout: mircea_popescu: defined by the first block's hash

09:03:05 mircea_popescu: i don't follow ?

09:03:09 davout: or alternatively any current block hash

09:03:21 mircea_popescu: so every orphan chain is "main net" ?

09:03:33 cazalla: My apologies to any and all annoyed by my drunken spamming of the channel last night..

09:03:33 davout: there's also the work part

09:03:45 mircea_popescu: cazalla nobody cared.

09:04:31 davout: also an orphan would only get 50 confirmations at infinity, not in a month

09:04:36 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/heres-part-n-of-our-endless-saga-aptly-titled-the-people-know-shit-or-alternatively-nothings-dumber-than-the-voice-in-the-crowd/

09:04:48 mircea_popescu: davout there exists something like that already, "gavin's orphan chain won't die before 50 block long"

09:04:49 mircea_popescu: in log

09:05:05 davout: i think it missed the timeframe bit amirite

09:05:07 mircea_popescu: an orphan can be any arbitrary length.

09:05:38 davout: yeah, but if it manages 2016 confs in a month it has at least half the hashpower

09:06:04 mircea_popescu: ...

09:06:41 mircea_popescu: that's an interesting approach.

09:06:47 mircea_popescu: confirm debit.

09:06:55 mircea_popescu: isn't it 2160 btw ?

09:07:08 davout: 2016 iirc

09:12:42 punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rrxq7/on_why_010s_release_notes_say_we_have_reason_to/

09:12:45 assbot: On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1BThrna )

09:16:18 mircea_popescu: sounds great.

09:26:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2rrxq7/on_why_010s_release_notes_say_we_have_reason_to/cnipifq << gmaxwell aware enough to notice [one of] trezor holes.

09:26:33 assbot: nullc comments on On why 0.10's release notes say "we have reason to believe that libsecp256k1 is better tested and more thoroughly reviewed than the implementation in OpenSSL" ... ( http://bit.ly/1AzJuem )

09:33:30 mircea_popescu: fluffypony that you in there, pointing out gmaxwell's idiocy ?

09:33:37 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes

09:34:01 mircea_popescu: you know, i despise reddit, and that thing's a fine example, like are many others.

09:34:10 fluffypony: I applaud the test coverage, and I do agree that OpenSSL is shitty, but I don't understand the logic in writing from scratch

09:34:13 mircea_popescu: but i do respect the sort of idiot that will actually go in there and do that sort of thing.

09:34:33 mircea_popescu: it doesn't plead in favour for your intelligence, but it is certainly noble.

09:35:42 mircea_popescu: so if you had to guess, how many previously innocent reddit read your comment and figured "hmm... there's something here" ?

09:36:31 fluffypony: precious few

09:36:53 mircea_popescu: well, don't burn out. intelligence is relatively common

09:36:56 mircea_popescu: patience... rare.

09:37:57 fluffypony: well at least it makes for a change from "omg gaw are skammirz, we had no idae"

09:40:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, i very much doubt nullc actually has any idea as to what's going on, apart from being in the room when it was explained and now typing words on reddit. and i doubt wuille actually did anything deliberately nefarious there.

09:40:41 mircea_popescu: but yes openssl is warty. especially for this use. and heck, more tests... never hurt.

09:49:38 mircea_popescu: fluffypony how big is polarssl ?

09:50:02 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: binaries or codebase?

09:50:06 mircea_popescu: the ecc codebase specificaly

09:50:45 mircea_popescu: i'm sort of pondering creating a "compare openssl / polarssl / blockstream ec implementations" research project

09:50:58 fluffypony: hmmmm

09:51:11 mircea_popescu: i mean, tests, sure, provable code, sure, random tests, sure.

09:51:12 fluffypony: well

09:51:19 mircea_popescu: i am a great believer in code analysis myself.

09:51:38 fluffypony: the ecp functions and the ecp curves are ~3400 lines of code

09:51:39 fluffypony: including comments

09:51:47 fluffypony: lemme run a slocount on them

09:52:03 mircea_popescu: https://github.com/polarssl/polarssl/blob/development/include/polarssl/ecdsa.h that it ?

09:52:05 assbot: polarssl/ecdsa.h at development · polarssl/polarssl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZ8SEW )

09:52:19 fluffypony: 2206 actual lines of code

09:52:35 mircea_popescu: this is not so horribru.

09:52:46 fluffypony: no - in library/ecp_curves.c and library/ecp.c

09:53:08 fluffypony: it probably needs some other DRY bits

09:53:13 mircea_popescu: did blockstream actually publish the libsecp256k1 ?

09:53:14 fluffypony: but that's the bulk there

09:53:20 fluffypony: nfi

09:53:27 fluffypony: they must've if it's in 0.1

09:53:31 fluffypony: *0.10

09:53:32 mircea_popescu: orly.

09:53:56 mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1/blob/master/include/secp256k1.h

09:53:57 assbot: secp256k1/secp256k1.h at master · bitcoin/secp256k1 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZ94UK )

09:53:57 mircea_popescu: there we go

09:54:12 fluffypony: yarp

09:54:19 punkman: I think that lib predates blockstream

09:54:31 fluffypony: yeah it does

09:54:51 fluffypony: March 2013

09:55:07 fluffypony: I'll bbiab, have to go shopping

09:55:29 mircea_popescu: um.

09:55:48 mircea_popescu: so they made it for the vc backed firm by recycling some older stuffs ?

09:57:08 punkman: probably someone else started it, they are trying to be relevant by doing "core" development now

09:57:25 punkman: so they'll stick their noses in many places

09:59:50 punkman: seems like it was Pieter Wuille's thing at first

10:04:59 mircea_popescu: well, tomorrow's thing. laters all.

10:13:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18516 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0839 BTC [+]

10:14:32 punkman: http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2014/12/01/the-king-of-online-gambling-is-34/

10:14:33 assbot: The King Of Online Gambling (Is 34) - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1zZbTF6 )

10:19:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55800 @ 0.00065262 = 36.4162 BTC [+] {2}

10:53:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17550 @ 0.00064595 = 11.3364 BTC [-]

11:13:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3465 @ 0.00062412 = 2.1626 BTC [-]

11:49:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00063961 = 6.1403 BTC [+]

12:37:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5506 @ 0.00063961 = 3.5217 BTC [+]

13:19:25 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 45(Y):55(N) by coin, 47(Y):53(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.35388047 BTC. Current weight: 92,212.

13:57:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3000 @ 0.0009305 = 2.7915 BTC [-] {4}

14:11:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00064548 = 16.7179 BTC [+]

14:54:37 davout: http://fr.anco.is/2015/01/09/bitcointalk-staff/

14:54:38 assbot: #bitcointalk-staff | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1xMngmR )

15:07:40 thestringpuller: davout: yea I don't know how to word it. i know how to bet on exchanges going down.

15:08:08 thestringpuller: the 50 confirms on gavincoin chain is a little iffy

15:08:37 thestringpuller: but it may work for now :\

15:12:04 davout: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2015#970955

15:12:04 assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 09:00:04; davout: i'd word the bet "there exists a block > 1m, building on main net, with block index <= ARBITRARY_TRESHOLD , that gets more than 2016 confirmations, in less than a month"

15:13:17 thestringpuller: that might work too

15:13:31 thestringpuller: how do you resolve? blockchain.info I personally wouldn't trust as a resolution source

15:13:35 thestringpuller: bitbet may be okay with it

15:15:51 davout: why would you need bc.info to count blocks and count hashes?

15:21:23 thestringpuller: you want someone at bitbet to count blocks manually?

15:22:42 davout: simply running a client on both chains and reading its output would do just fine

15:22:57 thestringpuller: but who would do that?

15:23:00 davout: or am i misunderstanding something you're saying here?

15:24:14 davout: i dunno lol, i'm just saying you don't need an intermediary to source the resolution data, the data is by definition public, right?

15:24:58 thestringpuller: this is valid point. what constitutes a public resolution source? I may be overthinking. But Bitbets get stricter every year (for good reason).

15:26:15 davout: the same source that makes us all agree on who owns which coins

15:28:14 thestringpuller: :D

15:29:11 thestringpuller: It would be interesting to see a blockchain war.

15:29:21 thestringpuller: A historic event for the ages.

15:29:36 davout: srsly, that could be one of the very few bets to be automatically solvable

15:29:59 thestringpuller: you make a great point. just have to word the bet correctly.

16:09:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00065262 = 12.0082 BTC [+]

16:25:06 thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr

16:25:06 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (7703 shares, 1.16 BTC)

16:41:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... gmaxwell aware enough to notice [one of] trezor holes. << the differential power thing is plain as daylight to anyone who has seen the published schematic.

17:09:16 thestringpuller: asciilifeform and his differential power analysis

17:34:03 jurov: he's looking forward to the day someone does DPA on his brain

17:34:25 jurov: "i was right all along!!!"

17:34:51 adlai: gribble's back!

17:35:02 jurov: ;;seen gribble

17:35:02 gribble: I have not seen gribble.

17:35:05 jurov: nope

17:35:26 adlai: this is OK, when they attain self-awareness we should start worrying

17:36:31 jurov: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1579346/000119312514457552/d721187ds1a.htm#toc721187_4 << twinklevoss filing, part "risks"

17:36:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/14Ap2fA )

17:37:33 jurov: "The Core Developers or other programmers could propose amendments to the Bitcoin Network’s protocols and software that, if accepted and authorized by the Bitcoin Network’s community, could adversely affect an investment in the Shares." huehue

17:37:50 adlai: yes this is a document, it has been published, there are no risks because nothing is for sale yet

17:38:33 *: adlai digs a little... hang on...

17:39:33 adlai: here we go: https://published.github.io/sec.gov/ChangeDetection%20-%20Comparison%20of:%20Amendment%20No.5.html

17:39:37 assbot: ChangeDetection - Comparison of: Amendment No.5 ... ( http://bit.ly/17qqGlG )

17:39:47 adlai: courtesy of leddit

17:43:30 davout: jurov: what's a DPA?

17:43:41 jurov: differential power analysis

17:43:50 davout: oic

17:44:05 davout: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/01/09/uk-bitstamp-cybersecurity-idUKKBN0KI0X620150109

17:44:06 assbot: Bitcoin exchange Bitstamp says to resume trading on Friday | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/17qrw1Q )

17:44:14 davout: Merlak, 28, and his colleague Nejc Kodric, 25, both computer experts, founded Bitstamp in 2011. According to the Slovenian media the two had earned about 23 million euros ($27.2 million) from the enterprise which places them among the 50 richest Slovenians.

17:44:18 davout: kekd

17:53:30 adlai: and i'm among the 50 richest people from my army unit

17:56:28 davout: i'm the richest of my living rool!11

17:56:31 davout: *room

17:56:51 jurov: tsk,tsk. so much jealousy

18:02:46 davout: :D

18:09:02 thestringpuller: jurov is still the coolest slovenian of all

18:10:18 danielpbarron: http://gfy.com/20352560-post46.html

18:10:19 assbot: GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - Hot or Not Worst Investments in 2014 ... ( http://bit.ly/14atAIM )

18:13:22 davout: thestringpuller: s/enian/akian/

18:18:38 jurov: we're all somalians anyway

18:18:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1174 @ 0.00092021 = 1.0803 BTC [+] {2}

18:19:40 davout: jurov: wrong, i'm nigerian

18:28:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4267 @ 0.0008903 = 3.7989 BTC [-] {9}

18:31:32 thestringpuller: we're all nigerian

18:31:45 thestringpuller: ls

18:32:02 ben_vulpes: ;;ls

18:32:03 gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?

18:32:07 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker

18:32:08 gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.

18:32:12 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --btce

18:32:13 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)

18:32:17 ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --market btce

18:32:18 gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 284.749, Best ask: 284.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.00100, Last trade: 284.749, 24 hour volume: 6868.74826, 24 hour low: 277.10599, 24 hour high: 289.0, 24 hour vwap: 283.052995

18:43:33 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi

18:51:25 thestringpuller: welcome chairman popescu

18:53:24 mircea_popescu: ohai

18:53:45 davout: ello

18:54:23 mircea_popescu: so what is all this leap second y2k v2.0 stuff lol

18:58:59 kakobrekla: karpeles saves the day https://np.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2rphsb/daily_discussion_thursday_january_08_2015/cnjk2j7?context=3

18:59:02 assbot: MagicalTux comments on [Daily Discussion] Thursday, January 08, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5WJvN )

19:00:16 mircea_popescu: lmao tux still exists ?

19:00:29 mircea_popescu: i hope hje's partenering with kenna to start a moon printing program

19:00:35 kakobrekla: as the new bitstamp advisor?

19:00:37 mircea_popescu: where they print 3d natural satellites.

19:00:45 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha you're pulling my leg

19:00:49 mircea_popescu: you are! you must be!

19:05:39 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol no, it is not going in the right direction.

19:06:00 mircea_popescu: punkman is off the deedbot project after the horrid failure of the past month, and i've only not neg rated him yet because gribblewas off.

19:06:19 mircea_popescu: you're not welcome to keep pestering people in pms, and deedbot will be reimplemented for the third time.

19:06:23 mircea_popescu: i hope i make myself clear.

19:09:00 mircea_popescu: for that matter, if i find out the molokization of deedbot v2.0 actually has anything to do with your meddling, i'll negrate you too.

19:13:17 Apocalyptic: "molokization" // in reference to Moloch ?

19:13:59 mircea_popescu: no, in reference to some derp that implemented the first version and made an utter mess of it.

19:14:30 mircea_popescu: !s from:MolokoDesk

19:14:31 assbot: 629 results for 'from:MolokoDesk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3AMolokoDesk

19:14:58 Apocalyptic: aha

19:15:51 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, what are you doing these days ?

19:17:45 Apocalyptic: in the bitcoin space not much, just keeping track

19:18:24 mircea_popescu: can you implement the deedbot spec ?

19:19:23 Apocalyptic: I don't think so, not qualified nor time for it

19:19:36 mircea_popescu: alrighty.

19:19:50 mircea_popescu: um. you wrote an alt-exchange at some point iirc ?

19:20:48 Apocalyptic: indeed I did

19:21:14 mircea_popescu: qualified enough then!

19:23:43 mircea_popescu: "What do you tell family when they say IM is a scam?

19:23:43 mircea_popescu: Main Internet Marketing Discussion

19:23:44 mircea_popescu: by Dorian Anthony, 4th January 2015"

19:23:44 mircea_popescu: lawl.

19:24:04 mircea_popescu: "You can't tell them anything that will change their minds. You have to show them that money can be made online by actually doing it yourself. Don't be influenced by the nay-sayers, just prove them wrong."

19:24:23 mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin isn't half as revolutionary as we had thought. internet scammers had the exact same problems long prior.

19:32:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1158 @ 0.00086497 = 1.0016 BTC [-] {5}

19:34:03 ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi << and?

19:34:22 ben_vulpes: actually thestringpuller you can use docker to compile c on whatever and ship the resulting binary to the raspi

19:34:28 ben_vulpes: neat trick, that

19:35:47 mircea_popescu: how does that work ?

19:38:08 ben_vulpes: i'll ask

19:40:35 kakobrekla: Dear Bitstamp customers,

19:40:35 kakobrekla: We are happy to announce that we are back open for business

19:40:43 kakobrekla: * Bitstamp is now running on Amazon’s world-class AWS cloud infrastructure, architected to be one of the most secure and reliable cloud computing environments available.

19:40:48 mircea_popescu: hey, glad i didn't bet.

19:40:53 mircea_popescu: o.O

19:41:30 mircea_popescu: well, let's verify this most secure computer environments claim.

19:42:28 mircea_popescu: i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.

19:45:41 joecool: kakobrekla: aw man you mean they didn't choose godaddy shared hosting?

19:45:59 kakobrekla: hehe

19:46:20 kakobrekla: that only allows for up to 2gb of css.

19:50:19 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/John_H_Harvey_Edward_L_Vail_Walter_L_Vail_Empire_Ranch_Arizona_1879.jpg << americans. a century ago.

19:50:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAwWq1 )

19:51:10 kakobrekla: hence the land of opportunity.

19:52:45 mod6: americans today: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fzVnpapHaX4/maxresdefault.jpg

19:52:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FAxmg8 )

19:52:53 mircea_popescu: i tell you, i look at those guys, i kinda wanna be friends.

19:53:38 mod6: werd

19:54:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, "In its heyday, Empire Ranch was one of the largest in Arizona, with a range spanning over 180 miles, and its owner, Walter L. Vail, was an important figure in the establishment of southern Arizona's cattle industry."

19:55:12 mircea_popescu: probably the source of all the cowboy and indian stories. and, notably, the first ranch where the queen bee woman actually settled down on the premises.

19:55:49 mircea_popescu: it's very interesting to me from an anthropological pov, because you see, at the time everything was "empire", from film studios to pond shops.

19:56:01 mircea_popescu: this one, however... this one succeeded.

19:58:31 mod6: if Vail, AZ (the city/surrounding area) is named after him, I used to live right by there.

19:58:40 mod6: the ranch certainly looks close.

19:59:13 mircea_popescu: likely.

19:59:40 mod6: Yeah, the modern city/area of Vail is just north of where the historical ranch is located.

20:00:13 mod6: Beautiful land out there. At least, to me anyway.

20:00:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 7285 @ 0.00085799 = 6.2505 BTC [-] {3}

20:01:27 mircea_popescu: not really my cup, but then again we can't all gaggle in the same spots.

20:02:20 mod6: :]

20:02:23 mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is a point often skirted by the "paradise on earth" folk, be they "bitcoin country" or anything-else-country (loads of these historically) : not everyone likes thesame!

20:02:42 mircea_popescu: i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock.

20:02:53 mircea_popescu: how the fuck can all this be accomodated in whatever Xtown.

20:02:57 mod6: haha. i love the desert.

20:03:15 mod6: part of it is, there arn't many people there.

20:03:36 thestringpuller: mod6 only likes the desert cause he lives in tundra for 9 months out of the year.

20:03:45 mircea_popescu: lol

20:03:56 mircea_popescu: "finally, my toes no longer iced"

20:03:57 mod6: haha, perhaps. im sure ive had frostbite like 69 times

20:04:05 mod6: yeah!

20:04:44 mod6: when your digits start to thaw, they feel like someone hit them with a sledge hammer. not a ton of fun I tell you.

20:05:42 mod6: i do kinda wish i could grow a mustasche like those guys in the picture though.

20:06:14 mod6: :/

20:06:25 mod6: or :{

20:06:29 mircea_popescu: lol

20:06:32 mod6: haha

20:08:37 thestringpuller: so my buddy works for maxis

20:08:39 thestringpuller: great guy

20:08:49 thestringpuller: he was telling me that in the SimCity reboot

20:09:18 thestringpuller: the music is all programmed in layers so that depending on what the user is doing the music triggers, but it's all timed to a single metronome: the heart beat of the city

20:09:47 mircea_popescu: this is a good idea.

20:32:22 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2015#971166 < you may wanna extend this to coinbase

20:32:22 assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 19:42:28; mircea_popescu: i'm paying 2btc (once) in return for a single btc stolen from bitstamp's aws cloud after today. comes with a signed certificate.

20:33:14 mircea_popescu: why, got a bitcoin ?

20:33:24 BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch

20:33:34 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitstamp-resumes-operations/

20:33:46 kakobrekla: wai? cause using aws.

20:36:45 mircea_popescu: it's not clear they actually have any bitcoin tho.

20:49:43 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i know chicks that principally like the sea/desert. i like forrested hills. you're apparently some sort of scrub bush apache stock. << I imagine mircea_popescu taking the girls out to catch their own mink and fox

20:50:31 mircea_popescu: lol.

20:50:35 mircea_popescu: ?Eventually, law enforcement knew and anticipated needing to enter the residence, in order to take the subject into custody. Based upon the information being developed through interviews and practices used by other agencies in the past, it became necessary to breech part of the outside area of the house to ensure the safety of all involved.?

20:50:37 mircea_popescu: check this shit out!

20:50:40 mircea_popescu: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/swat-team-demolishes-home-arrest-man-dui-family-left-homeless/#M5HCmsFbcYRt3mvE.99

20:50:41 assbot: SWAT Team Demolishes Home To Arrest Man For DUI, Family Left Homeless | The Free Thought Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1tRFM8f )

20:51:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00064548 = 12.5869 BTC [-]

20:51:25 mircea_popescu: i wonder if there should be some sort of tracked or maybe flexible wing roof remover ? like a huge can opener.

20:51:34 mircea_popescu: come in, deroof the house, remove suspect.

20:54:30 BingoBoingo: We have naturally occuring deroofers that roam the countryside in favorable weather... Tornados

20:54:59 mircea_popescu: can't leave that to nature.

20:55:18 BingoBoingo: Well gotta do that design inspired by nature thing

20:56:09 BingoBoingo: Most common size the things come in is fuck up a few trees and remove approximately one roof

21:05:01 ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: they migrated off of heroku?

21:06:07 kakobrekla: yes - they burned all the free resources.

21:06:25 ben_vulpes: looool

21:07:12 mircea_popescu: gotta be in the bezzle to be in teh bezzle eh ?

21:07:52 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: still setting modes by hand?

21:07:56 mircea_popescu: btw, isn't salesforce now using ubuntu ?

21:08:12 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, assbot wot not ready just yet.

21:08:36 ben_vulpes: !up works tho

21:08:43 ben_vulpes: !up Pierre_Rochard

21:09:27 *: mircea_popescu shrugs.

21:12:08 thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard: you afoot?

21:12:32 Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: sure am

21:12:38 thestringpuller: assbot: wot should have better API for us to dock our interfaces into

21:14:57 jurov: i suspect bitstamp is in shortage of people who can quickly and reliably set up iron. hence aws

21:15:14 mircea_popescu: i thought they moved to bay area.

21:15:21 thestringpuller: "moved"

21:16:15 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i'd love to see api endpoints for all of the things too

21:21:13 jurov: grrr i so hate spotting typos. and it's in first sentence. ( BingoBoingo see qntra comment )

21:21:48 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what more than "here's the db" which nano already does ?

21:22:09 mircea_popescu: prolly help if it were signed / dated, but that's not such a big deal.

21:22:13 mircea_popescu: to implement i mean.

21:27:18 BingoBoingo: jurov: Fixed, clarified

21:27:29 decimation: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/01/02/1418761112 << lol usg 'research': "The number of principal investi- gators for R01s who are 36 y of age or youn- ger has declined from 18% in 1983 to 3% in 2010. Today, more than twice as many R01s are awarded to principal investigators who are over 65 y as are under 36 y, a reversal from only 15 y ago."

21:27:32 assbot: A generation at risk: Young investigators and the future of the biomedical workforce ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ay3Q50 )

21:27:56 decimation: "R01s" are "leading NIH research grants"

21:29:56 mircea_popescu: heh.

21:30:07 mircea_popescu: gerontocracy is necessarily a failure mode of soviet states

21:30:20 mircea_popescu: generally because the living standards decay is obvious to the younger men.

21:32:15 decimation: plus the aged have control over the levers of power, sufficient to 'raise the bar' to attempt to extract increasingly more effort from the young

21:32:31 mircea_popescu: jurov brings a very interesting question re supporting eulora. we could in principle drop 32 bit support. now, if this were a crypto thing or any such high assurance system i'd never consider it. but it's a game.

21:32:32 decimation: until they have their final birthday party

21:32:41 mircea_popescu: what's teh republican senate think on the topic ?

21:33:13 mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps. it only works if young women buy into ti tho.

21:33:43 decimation: I think there's a soft-money aspect here too

21:34:09 decimation: generally the soft-money treadmill is such that only those who have run the race for awhile actually have any assets

21:34:47 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2015#970674 << actually spinoza produced fine polished lenses

21:34:47 assbot: Logged on 09-01-2015 00:39:45; pete_dushenski: and it might be a bit loose to call spinoza an inventor given that he only crafted words

21:35:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00065513 = 17.5247 BTC [+] {2}

21:35:15 mircea_popescu: decimation define assets.

21:35:39 decimation: fiat, fiat business stock, fiat bonds, promises from usg to pay

21:35:51 mircea_popescu: ...

21:36:19 mircea_popescu: i dunno. you can get plenty of such assets by simply catching aids.

21:37:12 decimation: the republican senate 'in principle' opposes the taxes and spending required to give free medical care to old people, but in reality fully supports showering its vote bank with trinkets

21:38:35 mircea_popescu: decimation i meant on teh 32 bit support issue :)

21:40:10 decimation: heh in that case, the us senate supports whatever wintel tells them to, which is gonna be 64-bit

21:40:33 mircea_popescu: this one lol.

21:40:35 mircea_popescu: not that one.

21:41:08 jurov: "Rep. X caught playing Eulora insession"

21:41:18 decimation: that would be great publicity!

21:41:33 mircea_popescu: "In 1980, the average Politburo member was 70 years old, as opposed to 55 in 1952 and 61 in 1964." << in this view the soviets fell because they couldn't find enough 85 yos for the 90s

21:41:47 decimation: actually if you go to visit Congress in person (not recommended), you discover that they are never 'in session'

21:41:55 mircea_popescu: (not entirely an inaccurate view, for that matter)

21:42:11 decimation: 99% of the time the room is completely empty except for the speaker, a few derps on the podium, and a clerk or two

21:42:22 decimation: everyone else in Congress has 'better things to do'

21:42:39 mircea_popescu: well yes.

21:42:42 jurov: not even when queen speaks?

21:42:46 jurov: oh mn

21:42:48 jurov: nm

21:42:50 mircea_popescu: queen speaks in his own office.

21:43:03 mircea_popescu: it's a very dysfunctional marriage, columbia.

21:43:18 decimation: mostly, except for the annual 'state of the union', in which case it is very important to be seen 'in session' for the cameras

21:43:57 mircea_popescu: but yes, decimation has a good point. nothing brings the abandonment of that republic clearer in view than going through its halls while on business.

21:44:02 mircea_popescu: looks like Truant High.

21:44:27 assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0TK3CD9.txt )

21:44:27 BingoBoingo: !b 8

21:44:39 decimation: yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women

21:45:08 mircea_popescu: only a minority of which with visible cum stains on dress/hair

21:45:24 decimation: all of whom come for the promise of 'gaining access' to 'power', the appearance of which is doled out carefully in DC

21:45:31 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

21:45:37 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 290.0, vol: 4952.71545506 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 283.0, vol: 9135.32823 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 288.71, vol: 30560.10073591 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 290.0, vol: 39.95556429 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 283.08147, vol: 106767.32200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 291.0, vol: 2.87980971 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 294.2737, vol: 69.70119431 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

21:46:31 decimation: up until a few years ago, it was permissible for anyone to walk into the Capitol and walk wherever they pleased

21:46:59 decimation: suddenly 'because security' - tourist are now restricted to little groups led by a poor student

21:47:04 mircea_popescu: this is perennially the case with free republics.

21:47:23 mircea_popescu: why shouldn't you be able to go anywhere.

21:48:08 decimation: well, the ostenisble reason is 'security', but the actual reason is that it is one more 'perk' that can be given as a favor by someone who appears to have power

21:48:22 thestringpuller: real shit

21:56:24 mircea_popescu: yeah, perianne boring is a product of a process, rather than a person.

21:57:17 mircea_popescu: obviously that process only works in a narrow conventional field, to the degree it might as well be a literary device. but literary characters are not necessarily aware of their conventional nature.

21:57:32 mircea_popescu: something like "tom sawyer pinched himself and saw that he was flesh and blood like any man".

21:59:33 decimation: washington DC is famous for being 'inbred' in the sense that its 'experts' are all home-grown

22:00:23 mircea_popescu: must suck for the kids in question.

22:01:13 decimation: well, if they play their cards right they can scam fiat from outsiders hoping to 'change the process'

22:03:39 BingoBoingo: !up badon

22:03:41 BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski

22:03:54 pete_dushenski: cheers

22:04:03 mircea_popescu: not at all what i mean. consider the difference between say, a carpertner apprentice and a cowboy apprentice, both 15 in 1915.

22:04:12 mircea_popescu: "Mother do you think they'll drop the bomb ? Mother do you think they'll like the song ? Mother do you think they'll try to break my balls ?"

22:04:21 pete_dushenski: a g'day gribbs

22:04:36 mircea_popescu: legitimate questions, all fo them. and they always get the same answer, of course. but irrespective of how well the cowboy manages to re-adjust

22:04:44 mircea_popescu: fact remains : yes, they will, and no they won't.

22:04:54 mircea_popescu: he's moving on a dead track.

22:05:12 davout: good evening

22:05:28 thestringpuller: bonjour davout

22:05:45 thestringpuller: ou c'est bon huit ?

22:05:48 mircea_popescu: davout how goes the islamist revolution btw ?

22:06:20 davout: wish i had an ak-47

22:07:07 mircea_popescu: not that expensive is it ?

22:07:31 davout: i have never looked this up actually

22:09:02 davout: what's gun law like in argentina? can you just go and get one?

22:09:08 mircea_popescu: should be about 1k

22:09:12 davout: i mean legally

22:09:20 mircea_popescu: legally i never inquired.

22:09:44 mircea_popescu: if you want a gun legally, you should instead buy a cop.

22:10:10 davout: that's pretty pragmatic

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22:10:22 BingoBoingo: !b 3

22:11:45 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL

22:13:07 mircea_popescu: davout anyway, epic fucking police state you got there. so, some people driving through the armpit of paris run into three police patrols. because wtf, 30% of all paris works as cops or something ?

22:13:23 mircea_popescu: NONE of which manage to do anything but get shot. why even call them police then ? what are they for, hussling people, right ?

22:13:46 mircea_popescu: they don't stop crime, they just bother the 0.x% remaining parisians who actually have a job that's not enacted by hollande's fiat

22:13:56 pete_dushenski: sounds like nyc

22:15:04 mircea_popescu: what was it, 19th arrondisment ? that's like... barracas, basically.

22:15:27 mircea_popescu: bottom 10th land values sort of affair

22:15:48 mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you run into three police cars doing three miles in the utter periphery ?

22:17:09 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/CraigSJ/status/553215441783783425

22:17:11 assbot: We live in a world where someone is paid money to Photoshop pubic hair into pictures of Justin Bieber. http://t.co/evzUvXBc23

22:17:15 davout: what shooting are you referring to precisely?

22:17:54 mircea_popescu: lemme dig up what i read. la liberte mebbe

22:17:56 mircea_popescu: sec

22:18:30 davout: police is annoying yes, they did save my ass once tho

22:19:00 mircea_popescu: En quittant les locaux, les assaillants tombent sur un v?hicule de police en ressortant dans la rue. Ils ouvrent ? nouveau le feu avant de remonter ? bord de leur Citro?n. Une course-poursuite s'engage. Ils empruntent l?all?e verte, une rue perpendiculaire ? celle du si?ge de Charlie Hebdo. Croisent une autre patrouille de policiers, en VTT. Nouveaux tirs, sans victime. Arriv? sur le boulevard Richard-Lenoir,

22:19:00 mircea_popescu: nouvelle fusillade: un policier, ?g? d?une trentaine d?ann?es et rattach? au commissariat du XIe arrondissement, est touch? puis froidement abattu au sol.

22:19:21 mircea_popescu: so. ran into a random patrol. shot at them. moved on, ran into another. shot at them too. ran into random cop. shot him too.

22:19:36 davout: well, the third one isn't that close

22:19:54 davout: but yeah, there are quite a few cops in paris

22:20:18 mircea_popescu: but that's exactly my problem here. there are A LOT of derps masquerading as cops. neither of these is good.

22:20:21 davout: the ones on their bicycle are the most problematic ones, they sneak upon you

22:20:40 mircea_popescu: on one hand, because a lot means they're expensive, and taken from more useful stuff. on the other, because if the cop can't hold his own then why even have him.

22:21:43 mircea_popescu: this isn't a "and they run into a cop while he had his back turned and shot him dead". this is "french police reliably can not hold its own against determined assailants". well...

22:21:56 mircea_popescu: is the paris police force in danger of rape ? what's next ?

22:22:09 mircea_popescu: should they carry mace and avoid walking alone at night to the car ?

22:22:18 mircea_popescu: should they call home and have an adult male take them in hand ?

22:22:39 mircea_popescu: are they dressed modestly enough ?

22:23:48 davout: i guess we should simply send our cops to syria for training instead of our youth

22:24:35 mircea_popescu: i'd rather have 10 cops that have a ld50 dose of 3 shooting assailants than 10k cops that basically constitute ballistic sacks.

22:25:34 davout: choose which ones you buy carefully, problem solved

22:26:06 mircea_popescu: yeah, except in a society that does this everyone's doing something else stupid to compensate willy-nilly.

22:30:11 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--6EBvY5gT--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/j0jq63xywdxvuhvlnrvg.jpg

22:30:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtJfEJ )

22:31:44 mircea_popescu: lol

22:32:35 BingoBoingo: That was the ambassador's actual christmas card two years ago

22:32:49 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

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22:35:17 mircea_popescu: is that kinda gay ?

22:35:37 asciilifeform: yeah, the 'actual work' of pretending to help voters, drafting bills, etc is generally performed by 18-25 year old women << zoologically interesting phenomenon. visit wash. d.c, they're everywhere - restaurants (incl. costly ones), $xx mil houses, 7 to a room...

22:36:20 mircea_popescu: right.

22:36:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well here was the next year's card http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MMrkZZ8c--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/vxvototrhpzistnpens3.jpg

22:36:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/14BGD6K )

22:36:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And then this year's http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--scXm37N1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/sxfqpmm6ionp6fndxgv8.jpg

22:36:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/14BGK24 )

22:36:56 mircea_popescu: my intuitition!

22:37:39 BingoBoingo: My bet is he wanted that ambassadorship for the swedish twinks

22:37:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ak-47... argentina... should be about 1k << wai wat. sure not off by a zero ?

22:38:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform HE wanted one, not me. he's in paris.

22:39:01 mircea_popescu: i can scarcely imagine what i would want an old assault rifle for.

22:39:27 asciilifeform: iirc one can buy rifles in fr

22:39:46 mircea_popescu: i've really not kept up with it. maybe not, they're commies.

22:40:06 mircea_popescu: im sure one can buy an ak if one asks for it in romanian tho :D

22:40:26 asciilifeform: even here in usa many (most?) of such rifles offered for sale are originally made in ro

22:41:06 mircea_popescu: im sure.

22:41:16 asciilifeform: according to one source, it is because a large quantity of semi-automatic ak was once produced in that country (for a civil militia project of some kind, iirc)

22:41:16 mircea_popescu: cugir "sewing mahcine" factory turned out millions of em.

22:41:40 mircea_popescu: yeah, the civil militia project of selling as many as possible, once the jews ran out.

22:41:42 mircea_popescu: in the 80s

22:42:53 asciilifeform: a very peculiar kind of 'mechanical crippleware', this 'street legal ak'

22:43:20 mircea_popescu: aha ?

22:43:38 BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard

22:43:55 asciilifeform: two (?) missing small parts, slightly different bolt, according to schematics

22:45:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo perhaps can comment

22:46:45 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Havent' looked much at how AK crippleware is done. AR becomes cripple ware because metal that should be missing is not

22:47:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://wilsoncombat.com/new/images/BCG-diff.jpg ?

22:47:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/14BJm04 )

22:47:47 asciilifeform: (ar)

22:48:08 asciilifeform: (is 'ar' simply alias for the well-known 'm16' ?)

22:48:51 BingoBoingo: Well m16 is subtype of AR and I was thinking the "lower reciever" which is legally the gun and not the bolt

22:48:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the molokization of deedbot v2.0 << wai wat? sabotage ?

22:50:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On the bolt you can also notice difference aside from the one where the arrow points

22:50:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88400 @ 0.00065579 = 57.9718 BTC [+] {2}

22:51:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a reverse engineer, i find examples of 'crippleware designed to be annoying to fix' conceptually interesting wherever i find it

22:52:12 asciilifeform: at least i assume the rifle was designed to be somewhat annoying to uncripple, considering, iirc, that this was required in usa

22:52:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe it's just the way those pictures were taken but rotational differences in some of the bolt's cuts appear.

22:55:59 *: asciilifeform genuinely wonderf wtf happened to deedbot 2

22:57:07 asciilifeform: what, precisely, are the plausible worlds here. i can really think of just one - it lost db, and author pulled it down ?

22:59:46 BingoBoingo: I imagine molokization refers to socially engineered time sink where thing works, obstacle, thing goes off the rails

23:00:14 asciilifeform: yes but what obstacle.

23:01:24 BingoBoingo: Nebulous, but a time sink. One that delays implementation of thing that by all means seemed to work as advertised up until obstacle.

23:04:38 PeterL: From fraudsters "Jobs Board" post: "You are expected to negotiate your own pay." << This is where I demand 1200 USD/mo for upkeeping scoopbot, right?

23:09:25 mircea_popescu: PeterL lol first and last sentences :D

23:14:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea. the last attempt to resuscitate v2.0 died on the 5th ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2015#965645 ) and that's that.

23:14:36 assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 04:43:52; mircea_popescu: punkman this really has been very poorly communicated.

23:25:49 asciilifeform: !s software does not fail

23:25:50 assbot: 3 results for 'software does not fail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=software+does+not+fail

23:26:43 RagnarDanneskjol: my understanding is the first bot went down b/c my friend disi found a server vulnerability which I promptly brought to your attention (I originally recommended you NOT have moloko do admin / continued development b/c I knew he was not suited for it). I followed the recent convo here and lead me to understand the only issue with punkbot was the vps got flooded and shut down...that's punkman's understandi

23:26:43 RagnarDanneskjol: ng too I believe.

23:26:48 PeterL: mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of codebases worth 5 bux." << These are things that the programmer should care about, because he will have to maintain the thing in the future.

23:27:02 RagnarDanneskjol: re molokization of deedbot v2.0 - no idea what you're talkin about? has nothing to do with me. also don't recall pestering anyone here ever..once in a blue moon I will ask questions in pm if I'm not authed/voiced.

23:27:03 mircea_popescu: certainly.

23:27:23 mircea_popescu: make sure you read it as intended tho

23:27:35 mircea_popescu: "I do not now nor will I ever care about the "readability" or "elegance" of (codebases worth 5 bux)."

23:27:57 PeterL: goes along with point 2: things not stated are up to programmer

23:28:15 asciilifeform: what, however, determines what codebase is worth ?

23:28:41 asciilifeform: the worth of what dies if the proggy fails catastrophically?

23:28:57 mircea_popescu: that is up to management.

23:29:05 PeterL: or are you saying you care about readability of good (expensive) software?

23:29:15 mircea_popescu: PeterL of important software.

23:29:35 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BryanMicon/status/553686038950842368 << Turns out Micon apparently has a price

23:29:37 assbot: So /Bitstamp is back. Looks like there's a familiar BTC price premium there as people dump their fiat.

23:29:46 mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with peripheral hairs, is what i'm saying. the idea is to not have hair in the core, on the liver, inside the lungs.

23:30:01 mircea_popescu: having the skin covered in hair seems evolutionarily beneficial.

23:32:32 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

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23:33:05 mircea_popescu: heh the web exchanges trending up ?

23:34:06 PeterL: for some value of "up" and some value of "trending"

23:34:19 BingoBoingo: Well, more level. Stamp has a premium though

23:35:10 BingoBoingo: !up copumpkin

23:36:24 copumpkin: hi :)

23:36:35 mircea_popescu: how goes.

23:36:54 copumpkin: well, sitting in a train station

23:36:59 copumpkin: what's new?

23:37:02 PeterL: One thing I like about qntra is that, unlike lots of other news site, there are no auto-playing videos on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. bleh, stupid media sites

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23:38:02 BingoBoingo: !b 1

23:38:26 PeterL: heh, I think that is my first bashed line :)

23:39:09 BingoBoingo: O.o

23:39:38 mircea_popescu: qntra can't afford flash.

23:40:00 BingoBoingo: No, Flash can't afford qntra.

23:40:27 mircea_popescu: also.

23:42:07 PeterL: flash sucks, I seem to remember reading they are no longer supporting Linux platforms for thier new updates?

23:50:13 *: adlai imagines it's mutual

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