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00:28:04 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions

00:29:21 bitcoinquestions: ty

00:29:42 bitcoinquestions: as I was trying to ask early - why do you not like the change to increase the block size?

00:31:04 mircea_popescu: you said that you read my articles, which is nice, but it'd be a lot better if instead of saying you did you showed me you did, by asking meaningful rather than meaninglessly general questions.

00:32:06 mircea_popescu: particularly relevant, http://fraudsters.com/2015/third-pass-addressing-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/

00:32:07 assbot: Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzm5Zm )

00:32:11 mircea_popescu: "XII. The current 1Mb limit is arbitrary. We want to change it. Please ignore the fact that the discussion is about whether to change or not to change, and please ignore that the onus is on whoever proposes change to justify it. Instead, buy into our pretense that the discussion is about "which arbitrary value". Because we're idiots, and so should be you!"

00:37:22 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Okay of course the proponents of the change are the ones who must justify it. But the justification is pretty simple, with a larger block size the network can support more transactions per second. This allows more transactions to be onchain instead of through trusted identities.

00:37:52 mircea_popescu: looky here : growing larger implies growing costs. this is a given. a larger bitcoin will somehow be paid for.

00:38:08 mircea_popescu: there are two avenues to pay for it. one is, to pay for it in bitcoin. via paying for txn.

00:38:19 mircea_popescu: another one is, to pay for it in fiat, via paying for disk space.

00:38:42 mircea_popescu: these are, obviously, both going to be employed, in some combination, because the thing is going to grow too huge to allow exclusivity

00:39:06 mircea_popescu: unrelated to all of this, a usg mole is proposing to change bitcoin into something unsustainable.

00:39:29 mircea_popescu: this is completely differet a matter, and it is not proper to mix it together in the consideration of an actual problem. it is not an actual problem.

00:39:48 mircea_popescu: to understand exactly the situation, you have camles and donkeys, and have to carry a billion tons of rubble.

00:40:01 mircea_popescu: it is one idea to discuss how to load the donkeyus and the camels respectively, to best do this.

00:40:20 mircea_popescu: it is ANOTHER discussion to propose that you pile all the donkeys on top of the camels and then throw the lot in the river.

00:40:32 mircea_popescu: both discuss camels and donkeys. both ARE NOT discussions of how to carry your rubble.

00:41:56 mircea_popescu: so : a) gavin is in no way involved in bitcoin development ; b) gavin's insanities have nothing to do with bitcoin's problems, and in no case are they solutions. as you'd expect of someone who has nothing to do with it in the first place.

00:46:32 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Do you have proof that Gavin and some USG mole is trying to implement some attack on bitcoin? What has made you come to this conclusion?

00:46:44 mircea_popescu: not gavin AND.

00:46:46 mircea_popescu: gavin's it.

00:46:50 bitcoinquestions: ah gavin is

00:46:50 bitcoinquestions: okay

00:47:35 mircea_popescu: what has made me come to this conclusion is neither here nor there. i am not proposing anything to you. i have made my own determinations, and if you inquire i tell you the reasons. that's how far that goes.

00:48:35 bitcoinquestions: Well I am inquiring what your reasons are

00:49:26 mircea_popescu: as above.

00:53:04 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Ah okay I reread and understand a little better I believe. But why do you assume you need to pay for more disk space in fiat?

00:54:38 mircea_popescu: yes, well... are you one of those who imagines bitpay "paid in bitcoin" for whatever sponsorship ?

00:54:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49824 @ 0.00040615 = 20.236 BTC [+] {2}

00:55:09 mircea_popescu: point remains : if the expansion is paid in bitcoin, whosoever wants to participate has to SELL fiast assets and buy bitcoin.

00:55:30 mircea_popescu: if on the other hand expansion is paid in "hard drives" chances are whosoevere wants to participate has to SELL bitcoin to buy fiat assets.

00:55:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13426 @ 0.00041313 = 5.5467 BTC [+]

00:59:33 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions

00:59:36 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Ah I see. Interesting. That is definitely the case as of today. That being said, let's say I create a company that is able to provide hard drive space for cheaper, but I only accepted payment in BTC. If this company existed would your opinion change?

01:00:00 mircea_popescu: how would this work ? you mean you manufacture the hard drives in house ?

01:00:12 bitcoinquestions: exactly

01:00:48 mircea_popescu: exactly schmexactly. there's a difference between the idle imagination of youth and the knowledge of men. for instance : i know but you don't know that the vast majority of hard drives are produced in the same few acres of asian shore.

01:01:00 mircea_popescu: and that at one point, when they had a flood, hard drive prices exploded on the market by a factor of 3

01:01:03 mircea_popescu: which lasted for a summer.

01:01:18 mircea_popescu: and that if i or anyone else decides to bomb that place that's that for new hard drives for a decade or more.

01:05:07 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: alright fair enough, I was just proposing a hypothetical to make sure I understood your position.

01:05:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 5000 @ 0.00025459 = 1.273 BTC [+] {2}

01:06:26 mircea_popescu: how are you to make them ? where do you buy your raw materials for bitcoin ? where do you hire workers and pay them in bitcoin ?

01:06:32 mircea_popescu: on it goes.

01:07:12 kakobrekla: re that story https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze_drive_farming-2/

01:07:18 mircea_popescu: forget that part and think of bandwidth. romania does not have this problem, but the us does. bandwidth accessibility is actually going down, not up, and it looks like it may go away entirely.

01:08:26 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: yeah man everyday I feel more and more that I need to get out of the US

01:08:45 mircea_popescu: so then do.

01:08:50 mircea_popescu: !s jews

01:08:51 assbot: 343 results for 'jews' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jews

01:09:58 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: It isn't that simple, I have loved ones etc.

01:10:29 mircea_popescu: right.

01:10:45 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not bad.

01:17:50 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: Another question I have for you. Are you happier when the BTC price goes up or when it goes down?

01:23:47 BingoBoingo: !up GoMaD

01:29:15 bitcoinquestions: I would do anything to be able to drive the price down because I'm collecting coins, but I was wondering whether or not there's a point where you are happy with your assets in terms of BTC and then just want to increase the value of the coins

01:42:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63950 @ 0.00039723 = 25.4029 BTC [-]

01:45:22 trinque: bitcoinquestions: having loved ones is a good reason to get out of the US.

01:47:44 trinque: !up bitcoinquestions

01:48:07 bitcoinquestions: trinque: good point haha. Is this channel all in Romania? How is it there?

01:48:43 trinque: no, I live in the US; can't speak for the others

01:48:49 BingoBoingo: bitcoinquestions: This channel has rather good global coverage. Even Africa is included in regular participants. Asian participation is a bit lacking though.

01:49:40 trinque: I will say that listening to those familiar with the soviet collapse has been enlightening

01:51:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00039714 = 16.3026 BTC [-] {2}

02:00:31 cazalla: anyone reading the hong kong 400m bitcoin loss and wondering why it's not on qntra, difficult to ascertain the facts on this one but it would appear hong kong media are clueless.. speaks to qntra's need for a chinese correspondent

02:06:42 BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f19dded6e4bf6b5a345de899863310281846eb61

02:06:43 assbot: Improve robustness of DER recoding code · f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dv287g )

02:06:54 trinque: cazalla: interesting, I expected another coin theft but this looks like typical madoff

02:12:54 bitcoinquestions: Does everyone in this channel code?

02:15:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.101 = 1.717 BTC [-] {3}

02:16:33 BingoBoingo: trinque: Questions go so far as to whether the thing even existed/happened

02:18:34 BingoBoingo: !up bitcoinquestions Depends on your definitions of everyone and code

02:19:02 bitcoinquestions: by code I mean knows a little bit of python and by everyone I mean 75%+

02:19:57 bitcoinquestions: (not python specifically but you get the point)

02:22:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92574 @ 0.00041313 = 38.2451 BTC [+]

02:23:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25789 @ 0.00041503 = 10.7032 BTC [+]

02:27:29 BingoBoingo: Well, It's still hard to say

02:27:47 BingoBoingo: Not everyone advertises everything

02:32:39 jurov: yeah, i guess 75% of me codes

02:34:50 BingoBoingo: Question for the foundation: When futzing with bitcoin sources to build more recent phoundation version, changing the constant in alert.cpp to garbage will keep a node so built from recognizing and/or passing a Gavin alert. Yes or no?

02:37:06 BingoBoingo: !up agorecki

02:37:08 jurov: BingoBoingo: depends on the patch

02:37:33 jurov: and i don't see any alert.cpp on 0.5.3

02:38:41 bitcoinquestions: you guys run bitcoin 0.5.3?

02:39:54 danielpbarron: !s thebitcoin.foundation

02:39:55 assbot: 21 results for 'thebitcoin.foundation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=thebitcoin.foundation

02:40:37 jurov: !s pogostick

02:40:38 assbot: 3 results for 'pogostick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogostick

02:40:44 jurov: !s pogoplug

02:40:45 assbot: 34 results for 'pogoplug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogoplug

02:40:51 jurov: ^that.

02:41:22 BingoBoingo: jurov: I'm fucking around on 0.8.6 two lines in alert.cpp in that version possess public keys for verifying "Upgrade Alerts". My gut is telling me that changing the public keys to garbage is going to be the quick dirty way to effectively neuter the alert system in the build. Figure each time I build change the garbage subbing for pubkeys.

02:50:12 jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.8.6#3692 after short exploration i found out this

02:50:13 assbot: Satoshi 0.8.6/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/16Da1tX )

02:50:39 jurov: i.e. your node would think others misbehave by sending invalid alerts

02:51:22 jurov: better remove whole branch completely

02:51:28 BingoBoingo: Ah

02:53:08 BingoBoingo: Thanks

03:06:16 mod6: BingoBoingo: alerts were snipped via this patch: http://thebitcoin.foundation/turdmeister-alert-snip.tar.gz -- It's not posted to the btc-dev mailing list yet. This might have been because of issues with messages getting snarffed back in Oct./Nov.

03:06:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16Dejl2 )

03:07:04 BingoBoingo: mod6: Saw that. I'm building a different phoundation version for personal use.

03:07:20 mod6: it seems that alerts were probably moved out to their own file in later versions.

03:07:34 mod6: re: alerts.cpp etc.

03:09:09 mod6: asciilifeform: when you get a chance, you should do a new submission to the list for the alert & win32 patches. thx in advance.

03:13:01 mod6: BingoBoingo: fwiw it looks like alerts.[h/cpp] appear in v0.7.0

03:13:16 BingoBoingo: K

03:14:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: My gut is telling me that changing the public keys to garbage is going to be the quick << not that dirty, either.

03:18:25 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions

03:18:45 mircea_popescu: everyone can "do a little coding' just like any man could ride a horse in 1800.

03:18:55 mircea_popescu: people who can't are simply subhuman.

03:26:30 BingoBoingo: !up Newar

03:54:16 thestringpuller: i keep getting into arguments about non-people (the ones who would put arm in wood chipper)

03:54:31 thestringpuller: flailing my arms yelling "they aren't people!!!"

04:03:23 thestringpuller: "OMG the blocksize limit is too small" last 6 blocks: 108k 26k 112k 97k 553k and 602k

04:03:35 BingoBoingo: !b 1

04:03:36 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3S3Y83J.txt )

04:29:45 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions

04:30:26 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: I did a lot more critical thinking about the blocksize limit and holy shit I feel so dumb for ever thinking Gavin's proposal was a good idea.

04:31:08 thestringpuller: bitcoinquestions: http://i.imgur.com/38BlfVp.png

04:32:02 bitcoinquestions: And there's no way Gavin doesn't know exactly what he's doing, right? Like is it possible he convinced himself that it was a good idea?

04:32:52 bitcoinquestions: It's perfectly tricky though - it does at first seem like a good idea.

04:35:36 bitcoinquestions: It seems like something he could convince the masses to upgrade to, but I'm assuming the miners know better than to let that happen, correct?

04:35:40 bitcoinquestions: Like is this a real threat?

04:38:39 mircea_popescu: it's always possible one convinces himself anything's a good idea.

04:38:45 mircea_popescu: see discussion re orwell past few days.

04:41:09 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com woodchipper

04:41:10 gribble: The story of Pointless and Witless pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/mpoe-january-2014-statement; Notorious M.P. layin down that subliminal shit, na mean ? pe fraudsters ...: http://fraudsters.com/notorious-mp-layin-down-that- (1 more message)

04:46:16 bitcoinquestions: anyone here wanna play bitcoin bounce? It's a simple game I made up to build up trust. Person A sends person B .5 BTC then person B ends the game by either running with the money or returning .5 BTC. Person B can continue the game by sending Person A 1 BTC back. Rinse and repeat.

04:46:35 bitcoinquestions: The higher you get the higher trust you've established

04:49:55 mircea_popescu: ...

04:52:56 thestringpuller: so you wanna play musical chairs?

04:53:22 thestringpuller: or is it hot potato...

04:53:51 mircea_popescu: The tale is told, too, of a certain woman who performed an aeolian crepitation at a dinner attended by the witty Monsignieur Dupanloup, Bishop of Orleans, and that when, to cover up her lapse, she began to scrape her feet upon the floor, and to make similar noises, the Bishop said, "Do not trouble to find a rhyme, Madam!"

04:56:06 thestringpuller: LOL

05:12:21 danielpbarron: !up napedia

05:12:32 danielpbarron: what's up with your friend, napedia?

05:14:26 napedia: I'm guessing you're talking about Daniel. The answer is that there is an internal split at SNI regarding the block size. Daniel is on the other side of Michael and Pierre.

05:14:43 danielpbarron: aha

05:15:01 danielpbarron: and which side are you on?

05:17:38 napedia: I don't write for SNI. My opinion is that I'd like to see SNI sort it out with economic reasoning and good articles. Pierre's arguments are most persusasive.

05:18:38 danielpbarron: i don't think the issue is limited to SNI; surely you have an opinion on the matter

05:20:32 mircea_popescu: people dun have to have an opinion do they

05:25:55 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

05:26:08 ascii_modem: ty

05:26:41 ascii_modem: BingoBoingo: i killed the alert thing with own hands

05:26:57 ascii_modem: what do you need it back for ?

05:27:07 BingoBoingo: ascii_modem: Was killing in it 0.86

05:27:14 BingoBoingo: *o.8.6

05:27:34 ascii_modem: what do you need .8.6 for ?

05:28:59 BingoBoingo: I run a node on 0.8.6 as a charity for the SPV wallet using freeloaders

05:30:08 mircea_popescu: !up aslan

05:31:02 ascii_modem: BingoBoingo: snip same way, or change the key verif. conditional to 0

05:31:33 BingoBoingo: ascii_modem: Mechanism was actually moved sometime between 0.5.3 and 0.8.6

05:32:15 BingoBoingo: Ended up changine pubkey and commenting the alert trigger out of main.cpp

05:33:34 mircea_popescu: "We do not know what he would have said?it is just possible that the unprocurable pamphlet, 1601, would supply a clue but we may guess that it would have wrecked his reputation and reduced his income to reasonable proportions."

05:33:40 mircea_popescu: orwell couldn't get 1601 lol

05:34:18 ascii_modem: mentioned at least half a dozen 'couldn't gets'

05:34:31 ascii_modem: incl. it

05:35:54 mircea_popescu: books suck. proof.

05:48:52 ascii_modem: gas distribution more reliable than electric... <<< no one has yet devised a way of attaching gas pipes to poles above ground. hence - reliable.

05:49:38 mircea_popescu: shit i hope i have these pics somewhere.

05:49:46 mircea_popescu: miles and miles of overland pipage.

05:50:28 ascii_modem: not in residential streets - at least in usa

05:51:27 ascii_modem: likewise, gas does not short-circuit (nearly constant grid load)

05:52:01 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem do you remember that walk when those gypsy girls accosted you ?

05:52:09 ascii_modem: aha!

05:52:17 mircea_popescu: pipes overhead.

05:52:48 ascii_modem: distribution or mains?

05:53:18 mircea_popescu: i dun even recall.

05:53:28 TheNewDeal: soo anyone interested in buy some no on https://bitbet.us/bet/1114/btc-to-rise-vs-usd-in-february/ ?

05:53:29 assbot: BitBet - BTC to rise vs USD in February :: 4.46 B (70%) on Yes, 1.89 B (30%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 2 days | weight: 75`610 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/170RcSy )

05:53:39 ascii_modem: and now that it was mentioned, can those gurlz smell benjies and at what range...?

05:54:13 ascii_modem: (was my hypothesis)

05:56:11 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

05:56:27 ascii_modem: ty

05:58:20 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.danielkrawisz.-2:9143f035179316633074c1e4c4ce2798d56d610b61fc201aa50d947c24d8451e

05:58:20 assbot: Successfully updated the rating for danielkrawisz from 1 to -2 with note: thinks it is likely that larger blocks would be adopted

05:58:53 ascii_modem: who even was that

05:59:02 mircea_popescu: you know thinking can't be a crime.

05:59:25 danielpbarron: i had a weird feeling about him leading up to this

05:59:48 mircea_popescu: well at the very least express yourself better. i dunno anyone who'd think much of thought crime.

06:00:36 danielpbarron: his argument is that larger blocks mean higher price per BTC

06:00:43 mircea_popescu: 'the devil himself knoweth not the mind of men' as the expression goes.

06:00:55 ascii_modem: i'm still at a loss re: who hoped to achieve what, exactly, by sending in the latest ninjaspamz3r

06:01:14 mircea_popescu: ascii_modem yu don't understand how the world works.

06:01:18 mircea_popescu: i need this as an acronym.

06:01:19 danielpbarron: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/who-controls-bitcoin/

06:01:20 assbot: Who Controls Bitcoin? | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1yZ8tCx )

06:01:25 ascii_modem: clearly not

06:02:10 danielpbarron: "The general rule about Bitcoin upgrades, therefore, is that upgrades which increase Bitcoin's value will be adopted and those which do not will not. Therefore, Bitcoin is not likely to be upgraded in ways which make it easier to regulate because that would decrease the value of the coins. Bitcoin might be upgraded in ways that make it more anonymous because a more anonymous coin would likely be more valuable. An upgrade whi

06:02:27 mircea_popescu: this is such idiocy the likes of which was never seen.

06:02:48 ben_vulpes: ascii_modem: are you talking about the minor pestilence?

06:03:12 ascii_modem: aha

06:03:14 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell danielkrawisz what are you, the second coming of pangloss ?

06:03:14 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:03:17 mircea_popescu: ""It is demonstrable," said he, "that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end. Observe, for instance, the nose is formed for spectacles, therefore we wear spectacles. The legs are visibly designed for stockings, accordingly we wear stockings. Stones were made to be hewn and to construct castles, therefore My Lord ha

06:03:17 mircea_popescu: s a magnificent castle; for the greatest baron in the province ought to be the best lodged. Swine were intended to be eaten, therefore we eat pork all the year round: and they, who assert that everything is right, do not express themselves correctly; they should say that everything is best.""

06:05:06 danielpbarron: also from that article: "The nodes that really matter are the ones that provide valuable services. It doesn't matter if you upgrade. What matters is if Coinbase, BitStamp, and Blockchain.info upgrade."

06:05:25 ben_vulpes: big blocks aren't a reality yet.

06:05:31 ben_vulpes: "whatever is is right" has yet to fall

06:05:40 ben_vulpes: big blocks are wrong and won't.

06:05:46 mircea_popescu: lol derp.

06:05:54 mircea_popescu: fine, i'm solkd

06:05:58 ascii_modem: re: stooge squad: simple hypothesis is that the toolkit being used on us was made for others. but - for whom?

06:06:11 ascii_modem: '4chan' ?

06:06:17 mircea_popescu: !rate danielkrawisz -1 go suck a coinbase, bitstamp and whatever cock.

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06:13:23 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/let-us-translate-from-english-to-english/ << if anyone cares, mark twain's "unprocurable" pornopamphlet. trasnslated.

06:13:24 assbot: Let us translate. From English to English. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/170VPMq )

06:16:30 ascii_modem: it needed translation?!?

06:16:57 ben_vulpes: i too boggle somewhat

06:17:00 ascii_modem: i read it as is...

06:17:35 mircea_popescu: no, it didn't.

06:17:39 mircea_popescu: i needed to translate it.

06:18:40 ascii_modem: ah for sport.

06:18:57 mircea_popescu: right. perfectly fine as it is, but what is more tempting than to mess with an accomplished writer's words ?

06:19:10 mircea_popescu: think of it as, "i translated emacs to lisp"

06:19:25 mircea_popescu: or w/e, names not important.

06:19:26 ascii_modem: aha.

06:20:07 mircea_popescu: i think incidentally, that this is the fundamental impulse driving most bowdlerization.

06:20:28 mircea_popescu: it is not the "moral" considerations that drive it. the moral considerations are merely the pretext under which the inept hand takes refuge.

06:20:47 mircea_popescu: derp wants to rewrite X. but how to do it safely ? AH! I KNOW....

06:21:17 ascii_modem: not only bowdlerizations but gavinizations

06:21:32 mircea_popescu: quite possibly.

06:22:05 mircea_popescu: it does make perfect sense in its devilish fatlogic system. lennart wants to matter, yes ? but how to do it safely ? AT JOB!

06:23:09 mircea_popescu: most starlets with youth fading, most inept actresses, most voiceless singers take refuge in scandal, because hey, "being controversial" is a good excuse to never consider if you're in fact any good.

06:23:43 ascii_modem: see orwell's piece on s. dali

06:24:13 mircea_popescu: im nopt that advanced yet.

06:24:35 mircea_popescu: rarely has it been the case that a man did a more thorough job of crushing himself before my eyes.

06:24:47 ascii_modem: touched on the pathology in question

06:24:48 mircea_popescu: and i come from a time and place where they had delatiune

06:24:53 mircea_popescu: which doesn't even exist in english.

06:25:37 mircea_popescu: (delatio -nis)

06:26:00 ascii_modem: what was it ?

06:26:41 mircea_popescu: well the word means false police report for pay. but generally, the sort of late warsaw pact atmosphere.

06:26:51 mircea_popescu: "oh, your wife ? yeah she was writing weekly notes since 1972"

06:26:55 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem

06:27:16 mircea_popescu: basically, what the various "law enforcement officers" do in court these days.

06:27:16 ascii_modem: aha, стукачи

06:27:36 mircea_popescu: not exactly.

06:27:40 mircea_popescu: the chief element is familiarity.

06:27:53 mircea_popescu: not very far off at any rate.

06:28:02 ascii_modem: yes that was the original type

06:28:29 ascii_modem: old witch who writes denunciation every day, etc

06:29:24 mircea_popescu: attracts a particularly felonious type, too. there's this guy, who claimed he never worked with the secret police, then they found fiddy pounds worth of notes, at which point he declared that it was the patriotic duty of everyone to help the secret police!

06:29:40 mircea_popescu: well if it was, then wh ythe fuck did you spend five years denying it.

06:29:59 mircea_popescu: "modesty".

06:30:15 ascii_modem: eventually they always turn up, those fiddypounds'o'notes

06:30:37 ascii_modem: i would like the writers to remember this.

06:30:57 mircea_popescu: how was that line, "self serving minds have little trouble overcoming memory" ?

06:31:43 ascii_modem: aha

06:32:58 ascii_modem: battery low and bedtime now

06:33:35 mircea_popescu: alf poetry.

06:33:41 mircea_popescu: !b 2

06:33:41 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/08HN0S2.txt )

06:34:37 mircea_popescu: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=371 << b-a, cheaper than lsd!

06:34:38 assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1xUGjao )

06:35:48 TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats

06:35:51 gribble: Current Blocks: 342664 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 55 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44550240491.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.94073

06:36:01 TheNewDeal: 8% you say gribbble?

06:36:29 mircea_popescu: could be worse.

06:38:25 TheNewDeal: agreed

06:41:03 TheNewDeal: if anyone is interested in the bitbet repurchase, refer to explanation here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1009188

06:41:03 assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 20:41:39; TheNewDeal: Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase?

06:41:18 TheNewDeal: good evening and good night

06:41:24 TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal

07:31:17 mircea_popescu: !t m s.qntr

07:31:17 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00025399 / 0.00025459 / 0.00026 (5000 shares, 1.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00018731 / 0.00022253 / 0.00026 (28038 shares, 6.24 BTC), 30D: 0.000174 / 0.00022151 / 0.00026 (28655 shares, 6.35 BTC)

07:31:20 mircea_popescu: heh not bad.

07:32:11 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00022151 * 158788

07:32:12 gribble: 35.17312988

07:32:20 mircea_popescu: teh media empire worth north of 7k!

07:36:43 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2v6mkh/what_bitcoin_blog_news_or_content_websites_do_you/ << check out how helpful reddit is lmao.

07:36:44 assbot: What bitcoin blog, news or content websites do you follow ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/16Ee9tM )

07:37:58 mircea_popescu: seems pretty obvious who's gonna crush everyone. also seems everyone knows it.

07:38:53 thestringpuller: HAH

07:38:55 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2v6mkh/what_bitcoin_blog_news_or_content_websites_do_you/coewsch

08:27:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100600 @ 0.00039703 = 39.9412 BTC [-]

08:41:57 kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4-hEfqpxIg

08:41:59 assbot: 2081 : Everyone Will Finally Be Equal - subtitle pt-br - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNMy3M )

08:48:34 cazalla: gee what an afternoon, kid makes a run for it while changing his nappy, i end up covered in shit and then piss

08:49:40 cazalla: and the missus was out so there i stood holding him with one hand to stop him grabbing it and unsure how to clean the mess up with the one remaining hand (got in the shower in the end)

08:53:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8012 @ 0.00082934 = 6.6447 BTC [+] {12}

08:58:51 thestringpuller: cazalla: ugh young children. they scare me. i think as I get older I am developing child-phobia.

08:59:42 cazalla: thestringpuller, some days i regret it, some days not, but i could only stand and laugh at this one today

09:34:15 thestringpuller: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2014#959292 << Namworld did manage to salvage enough to be usable. Even after his departure its still running, at least for now.

09:34:15 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:08:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00039667 = 8.9647 BTC [-] {3}

10:11:16 thestringpuller: ;;later tell PeterL scoopbot is always down when I post new article :P

10:11:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:33:24 cazalla: thestringpuller, "results in a complete loss of any pm?s I may have had open." <<< now it all makes sense!

10:41:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20164 @ 0.00039644 = 7.9938 BTC [-]

10:42:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2233 @ 0.00084547 = 1.8879 BTC [+] {5}

10:42:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116631 @ 0.00039456 = 46.0179 BTC [-]

10:49:04 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/vxoA8AN.jpg

10:49:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/16JCy1t )

11:09:08 davout: does anyone know about MyCoin ?

11:09:09 davout: http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1707565/investors-fear-hk3b-losses-closure-bitcoin-trading-company

11:09:11 assbot: Investors fear HK$3b losses in closure of bitcoin trading company | South China Morning Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1A4YhhC )

11:10:13 davout: never heard about it, but apparently they're putting bs&t to shame with a $400mn loss, sounds doubtful

11:13:19 punkman: davout, what kind of hyip would publish actual numbers

11:14:35 cazalla: davout, i think it's a bitcoin company in name only, fiat ponzi otherwise but there is so much conflicting info out there that qntra didn't publish anything as of yet

11:20:06 davout: ok thanks, surprisingly bitcointalk has some info that sounds pretty plausible https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=949975.0

11:20:07 assbot: FAKE news: "3 billion HKD lost" in Mycoin.hk bitcoin exchange runoff ... ( http://bit.ly/16JHTWx )

12:46:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00039456 = 15.23 BTC [-]

13:14:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00039699 = 5.1609 BTC [+]

14:15:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23605 @ 0.00039699 = 9.3709 BTC [+]

14:19:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55303 @ 0.00039456 = 21.8204 BTC [-]

14:24:18 Naphex: o/

14:25:00 danielpbarron: http://www.returnofkings.com/55524/americas-booty-obsession-is-another-symptom-of-social-decline Egypt and Argentina, historically the most advanced countries on their respective continents, also prefer boobs. The U.S. is the only first world nation in the Butt column

14:25:01 assbot: America’s Booty Obsession Is Another Symptom Of Social Decline ... ( http://bit.ly/1DwF5c8 )

14:40:42 fluffypony: Naphex:)

14:40:48 Naphex: sup fluffypony

14:40:50 Naphex: :))

14:41:01 fluffypony: how's it going?

14:41:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18871 @ 0.00039456 = 7.4457 BTC [-]

14:41:42 Naphex: nothing much, working a lot lately

14:42:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49329 @ 0.00039398 = 19.4346 BTC [-] {2}

14:43:54 fluffypony: oh cool - what you up to nowadays?

14:45:51 mike_c: i just spit out a mouthful of coffee :D "mircea_popescu:it is ANOTHER discussion to propose that you pile all the donkeys on top of the camels and then throw the lot in the river"

14:46:38 Naphex: fluffypony: well its going to be something really fun :)

14:46:45 fluffypony: awesome

14:47:10 Naphex: and a bitcoin exclusive. i'll keep it down low a bit until i get closer to launch date :D

14:47:19 Naphex: fluffypony: its porn though :D

14:47:39 fluffypony: well that is quite a change from your last work :-P

14:49:58 danielpbarron: lol

14:50:26 Naphex: hehe

15:02:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00039946 = 9.2675 BTC [+]

15:35:50 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=950041.0

15:35:50 assbot: 2011 Casascius 1 BTC Series-1 ERROR HOLO ... ( http://bit.ly/192duUI )

15:35:53 nubbins`: eff why eye

15:37:50 thestringpuller: http://casascius.uberbills.com/?address=17jQvv24kHXpW9RctP2SoE12Z8Z45euQG9

15:38:33 nubbins`: dat 2011 funding date

15:38:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins` 1.75 not bad

15:39:09 nubbins`: it's the dirtiest coin i have, figured i'd pawn it off and replace with a nicer specimen

15:40:17 thestringpuller: you're going to buy another one with the proceeds?

15:40:17 thestringpuller: lol

15:40:21 nubbins`: incidentally, i have a 1.125oz Canadian numismatic piece from 2013 that I priced the other day... has increased in value by 50% since last summer o.O

15:40:26 nubbins`: thestringpuller not precisely, no.

15:40:47 thestringpuller: my cascius coin is my first bitcoin ever purchased

15:41:01 nubbins`: i'm going to buy another with "my money"

15:41:23 nubbins`: whether this is the same money i receive from the sale of this coin is, i believe, inconsequential

15:41:24 thestringpuller: not incredibly inclined to sell it off for sentimental reasons etc

15:41:45 *: mircea_popescu thinks this entire "numismatics as an investment" thing is not unlike the "my balcony garden as a tomato farm" thing, but hey.

15:41:48 nubbins`: my first bitcoin ever purchased was smoked

15:42:18 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i really just like shiny things

15:42:45 nubbins`: but once you get an eye for it, you're better able to identify what people will desire in the future

15:42:45 mircea_popescu: lol. nubbins` la pie.

15:43:16 nubbins`: trying to decide if "magnubs" or "nubpie" is the more appropriate portmanteau

15:43:36 nubbins`: anyway

15:43:45 nubbins`: generally numismatics are a poor way to invest money

15:44:10 nubbins`: casascius market is full of fucking morons though

15:45:00 mircea_popescu: a pie a une manie : elle vole tout ce qui brille :D

15:45:29 mircea_popescu: i'd expect it's exactly as full of morons as bitcoin generally, just, you have better benchmarks in that corner.

15:45:59 nubbins`: je voudrais quelque choses, what they are, no one knows!

15:46:11 nubbins`: mircea_popescu you might be onto something

15:46:32 nubbins`: remember the time i sold two 0.5-btc casascius coins for 27 btc? o.O

15:47:09 mircea_popescu: notrly, but i can see it

15:47:33 nubbins`: sadly, i don't think this will be replicated

15:47:58 thestringpuller: such profit

15:48:16 nubbins`: many nod

15:51:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00039946 = 4.474 BTC [+]

16:13:01 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=764452.msg9460046#msg9460046

16:13:02 assbot: Change my name! "I am __ Satoshi __." ... ( http://bit.ly/1vAiSsA )

16:16:55 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/armed-forces-applicant-cites-discrimination-over-anxiety-diagnosis-1.2949644

16:16:57 assbot: Armed Forces applicant cites discrimination over anxiety diagnosis - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1vAjaQh )

16:17:01 mircea_popescu: derp wants someone to pay for his surgery because one month's worth of government dole is too much for him ?

16:17:19 nubbins`: kid's a natural soldier, just look at him

16:17:28 mircea_popescu: i meant the butter zone idjit.

16:22:31 nubbins`: nod

16:22:34 nubbins`: wait, surgery?

16:22:44 nubbins`: i thought he just wanted someone to pay $500 for him to change his middle name

16:23:00 nubbins`: also, who the fuck hates the name "jonathan" so much that they wanna change it? what a loser

16:23:28 nubbins`: ;;google jonathan richman since she started to ride

16:23:28 gribble: Jonathan Richman - Since She Started to Ride - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysaBHTwazjk; Jonathan Richman- "Since She Started to Ride" 40 Watt Club 2/6/10 ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4husgN00OqQ; Jonathan Richman – Since She Started to Ride – Listen and ...: http://www.last.fm/music/Jonathan+Richman/_/Since+She+Started+to+Ride

16:23:34 nubbins`: ^ first link, straight up

16:24:49 nubbins`: “I just want to do some time for my country, give it some service,” Cooper, 17, told CBC News.

16:24:57 nubbins`: do some time? give it some service?

16:25:19 nubbins`: i think the kid is unsure as to whether the armed forces is a prison or a gang bang

16:26:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1974 @ 0.0007821 = 1.5439 BTC [-] {6}

16:26:39 nubbins`: leaving aside the fact that the kid faked a SINGLE panic attack TWO YEARS AGO in order to get out of an exam

16:26:51 nubbins`: and was put on prozac and diagnosed with a DISORDER

16:27:29 mircea_popescu: lol sounds porny.

16:30:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.00039203 = 16.9945 BTC [-]

16:37:03 nubbins`: "I don't think that people should have to hide the fact that they have a mental illness," Cooper said.

16:37:05 nubbins`: lel

16:37:28 nubbins`: "i don't think people should have to hide the fact that they have blood-borne pathogens" says the guy with Hep C who can't donate blood

16:38:33 mircea_popescu: more importantly, who can't donate sperm. to women. directly.

16:39:10 mircea_popescu: anyway, people only should hide the fact that they have a mental ilness if they wish to get shot.

16:40:03 mircea_popescu: incidentally, my measure to resolve the "police violence" thing would be a) everyone with a mental issue must wear a funny hat.

16:40:15 nubbins`: i thought that's why cops wore funny hats.

16:40:20 mircea_popescu: it is.

16:40:23 mircea_popescu: but too one-sided.

16:46:22 davout: today #b-a explains the fedoras thing

16:47:04 mircea_popescu: lol

16:48:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-02-2015#1013313 <<< i tell you, getting the girls only, and after a decade or two is the best policy.

16:48:52 assbot: Logged on 09-02-2015 08:48:34; cazalla: gee what an afternoon, kid makes a run for it while changing his nappy, i end up covered in shit and then piss

16:51:34 mircea_popescu: davout: never heard about it, but apparently they're putting bs&t to shame with a $400mn loss, sounds doubtful << yeah srsly, sounds like pure bs.

16:51:59 mircea_popescu: 1mn dollars AVERAGE exposure over 3k investors ?

16:52:24 davout: 400mn loss for 3000 investors -> 133k/investor

16:53:20 mircea_popescu: yeah in usd. still, this is like mpoe level, i very much doubt it.

16:53:31 mircea_popescu: it's possible, obviously, the chinese are nazi-private, but i dun really see it.

16:53:42 davout: the whole thing is pure bs

16:54:17 davout: according to some random bitcointalk dude the chinese journalist computed the loss by multiplying fake bitcoins on the order book by the current market price

16:54:48 asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats

16:54:48 mircea_popescu: oh lol

16:54:50 mircea_popescu: heh nm.

16:54:53 gribble: Current Blocks: 342729 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 2006 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 66783348140.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 50.22545

16:54:58 asciilifeform: 326535.

16:55:02 mircea_popescu: in this sense... ethereum will be a loss to people.

16:55:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform neat. this the pc valgrind ?

16:55:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha

16:56:31 asciilifeform: i kinda forgot why i even set that one up

16:56:44 asciilifeform: iirc, we already know what there is to know re: that version

16:56:55 mircea_popescu: assbot: America?s Booty Obsession Is Another Symptom Of Social Decline << i also like ass.

16:57:10 mircea_popescu: yes but you;re supposed to let things finish

16:57:20 asciilifeform: that must've been it

16:57:48 asciilifeform: plus to see if can get any of the legendary wedges

16:57:53 mircea_popescu: mhm

16:59:30 mircea_popescu: mike_c like the butcher said, "i merely follow the lulzlines already present".

17:03:41 mike_c: hehe, yeah, that was a good one

17:04:53 mircea_popescu: to a large degree, it was obvious that once we move from "inflation pays for it" to "you gotta pay for it" the "consumers have come to expect" were going to throw a shitfest.

17:05:04 mircea_popescu: what that changes... ask them, not me, to borrow an alfism.

17:06:16 mike_c: it was always "you gotta pay for it". most people just don't connect the dots to understand that's what inflation is.

17:07:01 mircea_popescu: god preserve me from heresy but! so far inflaiton has actually been beneficial for bitcoin.

17:07:38 mircea_popescu: one could never have made a bitcoin without a block reward. this, of course, means that we now have a promise to renege on. but i'm not about to start reneging on promises.

17:09:52 *: thestringpuller makes note to look at this specific log later with popcorn in hand

17:10:14 asciilifeform: wai, wat, promise ?

17:10:26 mike_c: 21m

17:10:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. "bitcoin will continue to function as before"

17:10:33 mircea_popescu: not merely 21mn.

17:10:39 mike_c: that's a big one though.

17:10:44 mircea_popescu: biggest, yes.

17:10:59 mircea_popescu: but economy is built on money and thus fungible. a bunch of small ones add up.

17:11:10 asciilifeform: '...with strange eons even death may die' etc

17:11:32 mircea_popescu: beheading naked kings on the vaguest whiff of approaching even small ones -> best policy.

17:28:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00040139 = 17.2196 BTC [+] {2}

17:33:41 mircea_popescu: http://time.com/3135722/ohio-morgue-sex-kenneth-douglas/

17:33:43 assbot: Kenneth Douglas Says He Had Sex With Up to 100 Dead Bodies ... ( http://bit.ly/1A61Ynj )

17:34:47 asciilifeform: 'A key piece of evidence was Douglas? wife?s testimony that when she called to report her husband coming home from work smelling like sex and alcohol, she was told ?whatever happens on county property, in county time, is county business.?'

17:34:51 asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l

17:35:22 mircea_popescu: cunty biznis.

17:37:25 mircea_popescu: !up xeal

17:37:43 mircea_popescu: it's a fact that beards grow after death. i wonder if women lubricate through a similar process.

17:37:57 mircea_popescu: one of those things only a mortician would know./

17:38:17 asciilifeform: iirc not grow but fail to shrink at pace with the rest of the face

17:38:21 asciilifeform: and hence appear to grow

17:38:23 mircea_popescu: right.

17:38:43 asciilifeform: the subject of juices was explored in some detail in the famous comic 'sexy losers'

17:38:50 asciilifeform: to which the word 'fap' is also credited

17:41:02 mircea_popescu: i neversaw this ?

17:41:57 thestringpuller: I wonder why justusravnier "wants adoption" his other blogposts seem sane...

17:42:56 thestringpuller: I guess people just don't like being told, "Hey you're poor, and excluded from this cool thing nao cause you are useless. Kthxbai."

17:43:23 mircea_popescu: i dunno. sent him a http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-01-2015#979042 no answer yet.

17:43:23 assbot: Logged on 16-01-2015 05:10:16; mircea_popescu: justusranvier http://qntra.net/2015/01/transaction-fees-and-the-future-of-bitcoin/#comment-7394

17:43:44 davout: thestringpuller: no, some people had, buried somewhere in them, the idea that bitcoin would not only be money, but 'nice money'

17:43:51 davout: 'fair money'

17:44:49 asciilifeform: davout: 'Yes, it was once the case that you had to be a financier to send an intact penny across the ocean. But the fact that Bitcoin enables you to do so does not turn you into a financier. Nobody cancelled ?money makes money.? It would be rather like demanding that an asteroid should have the gravitational pull of Earth. The Third Rock From The Sun can hold an atmosphere and your piece of cosmic flotsam can?t. Such

17:44:50 asciilifeform: is life. Quantity still has ?a quality all its own.? Ten million dollars buys you a money printer, but ten dollars do not. Not even a proportionately-smaller one. Everyone who hopes to see some kind of democratizing influence in Bitcoin is gravely misguided: by some indications, the Bitcoin ecosystem is at least as ?top heavy? as the world of meatspace finance.' << my ancient article

17:44:56 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/262.html << shitty ux omfg.

17:44:57 assbot: #262 - Chafed Dickens [5 of 5] ... ( http://bit.ly/1A64bPF )

17:45:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.

17:45:39 thestringpuller: davout how is money ever fucking fair? one person having more resources that are finite means another person has less?!?!?

17:46:09 davout: thestringpuller: 'fair money' exists in the mind of redditards, don't ask me what it means

17:46:16 mircea_popescu: davout daughter of the wider insanity "everything new is better" married with the patently nuts "better is what i imagine it to be".

17:46:49 thestringpuller: so people are entitled to use bitcoin...why?

17:46:59 mircea_popescu: coming from people who utterly refuse to admit they;d be better off in chains in someone;'s basement... well... what's to be expected.

17:47:25 thestringpuller: "Because it's my fucking right to use bitcoin even though I contribute nothing to it."

17:47:39 davout: yeah, also low fees pl0x

17:47:59 thestringpuller: Oh yea, we need to check our bitcoin privelage... >:(

17:48:01 davout: "sure you can use bitcoin if you want to"

17:48:08 mircea_popescu: THE CONSUMERS HAVE COME TO EXPECT

17:48:30 davout: TCHCTE yo

17:48:31 asciilifeform: refuse to admit they;d be better off in chains in someone;'s basement << afaik most of'em are boys and thus can expect only butugychag

17:48:44 mircea_popescu: expect != better off.

17:49:17 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/261.html << ahahah

17:49:18 assbot: #261 - Chafed Dickens [4 of 5] ... ( http://bit.ly/1A64QAs )

17:49:19 asciilifeform: meant, who needs them in basement? not me.

17:49:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do yo uknow these people ?

17:49:37 asciilifeform: which

17:49:52 mircea_popescu: sexy losers

17:49:52 thestringpuller: this is like coworker who brings team down but is never fired because government keeps them working

17:50:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not personally. but i thought it was one of the most famous www comics ever published

17:50:21 thestringpuller: So the redditards want to impose straight up communism on us?

17:50:21 mircea_popescu: So please do not send me the following types of E-mail: "commission requests -- I just do not have the time for commissions"

17:50:24 mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong wit hthe world.

17:50:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i never saw an online comic before oglaf.

17:50:56 asciilifeform: there were as many as drops in the sea

17:51:42 asciilifeform: i knew about 'oglaf' and 'sexy losers.'

17:51:52 asciilifeform: the only memorable ones i ever saw.

17:52:08 asciilifeform: the latter has been dead for many years, iirc

17:52:20 danielpbarron: even i briefly authored a web commic, although i don't think any copies of it remain anywhere

17:52:43 mircea_popescu: abadoned 2009 so mkay.

17:55:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79850 @ 0.00039203 = 31.3036 BTC [-]

17:59:06 mircea_popescu: by the way, if ne1 here has a fetlife account, i finally moved over, drop me a line.

18:01:36 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/257.html bwahahah

18:01:37 assbot: #257 - Chafed Dickens [1 of 5] ... ( http://bit.ly/1A67aro )

18:05:29 danielpbarron: http://www.atruechurch.info/masturbation.html The sexual desire is a God given desire (Romans 11:36) and it is not evil in and of itself (Romans 14:14). Moreover, God has made a way for even those who are not married (male or female), or those who are away from their spouse (like a soldier at war), to at least somewhat satisfy the sexual drive via masturbation. It is oppressive to teach that such an act is against the will o

18:05:30 assbot: A True Church - Masturbation ... ( http://bit.ly/1A680Em )

18:06:43 mircea_popescu: the entire "every sperm is sacred" thing is more reaction-catholicism than anything.

18:07:06 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

18:07:08 assbot: Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1A68mea )

18:08:23 danielpbarron: catholics freely admit that they don't follow the Bible, and that some guy with a funny hat can arbitrarily change the rules as he pleases

18:08:39 ben_vulpes: it is all a bit silly.

18:08:42 mircea_popescu: actualy, papal infallibility is ancient law.

18:09:01 mircea_popescu: also reaction catholicism, but more 600ish than 1800ish

18:09:08 ben_vulpes: right up there with the sovereignty of sovereigns.

18:09:35 mircea_popescu: hey, technically a valid claim. all of europe exists as embezzled provinces of the roman empire.

18:11:06 mircea_popescu: o wait. i thought you meant the pope's (abandoned) claim of sovereignity over teh sovereigns.

18:12:15 davout: aaaaaand we're back to hats for nutjobs

18:13:11 mircea_popescu: speaking of hats for nutjobs, always remember to wear your condom!

18:13:18 danielpbarron: lol

18:13:45 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, condoms = masturbation don't they.

18:14:10 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/007.html << bwahahah.

18:14:11 assbot: #007 - Suicide Prevention Week ... ( http://bit.ly/1A69H4U )

18:14:36 mircea_popescu: "hey, suicide guy, you gonna kill youself ?" "yeah. life sucks." "wanna fuck first ?" "no, you freak!" "i guess ima have to wait for your body to wash ashore."

18:16:17 danielpbarron: in Bible terms, it's enough to "lay with" someone, or "know her," or "see her nakedness" ; not sure a condom would get in the way of those things

18:17:52 davout: danielpbarron: i heard gavin andresen wants to add a couple extra chapters to it, for moar adopshun

18:18:05 danielpbarron: he wouldn't be the first

18:18:19 mircea_popescu: considering how it came to be...

18:18:48 mircea_popescu: "oh, people mock us for being essentially jew torrent artists ? FINE. WRITE A CONTINUATION."

18:19:07 davout: christians are on gavinbible, jooz run pogobibles

18:19:30 danielpbarron: jews add too; they have sets of books of "oral tradition" separate from the scriptures

18:20:12 davout: danielpbarron: it's ok to have sidechains!

18:20:12 mircea_popescu: davout well the split happened after some pretty heavy duty pruning.

18:21:02 davout: mircea_popescu: what pruning?

18:21:26 mircea_popescu: the jew books are about 5x the new+old testament.

18:21:57 davout: ah, i see

18:22:00 asciilifeform: approx. the same size as a set of 'britannica.'

18:22:39 mircea_popescu: and yes, on top of that there's a web of commentary stretching out approx to the roman period.

18:22:52 mircea_popescu: roughly about the same weight as what in europe constitutes "the humanities".

18:22:57 mircea_popescu: the us doesn't have an equivalent.

18:22:58 ben_vulpes: asshat talmud when

18:23:18 mircea_popescu: (so a bunch of idiot chicks are trying to write it, out of boring gender and race stories)

18:28:14 mircea_popescu: in fact, as ridiculous as mormonism is, he is an exact copy. the cultural relationship between judaism and christianity is exactly the same as between christianity and mormonism : a barely literate lout ran off with a few pages and made his own, self-important "variant",

18:28:30 mircea_popescu: much in the way kids used to replace the "made by" strings in the old 8086 days with a hex editor.

18:28:32 asciilifeform: fork

18:31:59 nubbins`: re: sexy losers

18:32:07 nubbins`: any of you remember when it was called "the thin H line"?

18:32:13 asciilifeform: me.

18:32:32 nubbins`: iirc the guy got outed in meatspace and had to "disappear" the old name

18:32:44 nubbins`: turns out he worked with kids in some capacity? heh

18:32:46 asciilifeform: now this - i never knew.

18:33:12 nubbins`: i can't recall the details, but i feel like at the time it was a sort of "english teacher overseas" thing

18:33:33 mircea_popescu: seems he lives in japan

18:33:35 nubbins`: and his employers caught whiff of this necro-mastur-porn comic he did

18:33:49 mircea_popescu: english teacher ;likely thing for a foreigner there to do.

18:33:50 nubbins`: it went down for a while, came back as "sexy losers"

18:33:58 mircea_popescu: mebbe he actually went because he wanted to jacvk off to 12yo jap gals.

18:34:11 nubbins`: mircea_popescu you probably would not be surprised at how common this is

18:34:33 nubbins`: speaking from experience, roughly half of all ESL teachers are "strange"

18:34:38 mircea_popescu: indeed.

18:34:57 asciilifeform: at one point, it was possible for virtually anyone who speaks engl. to find work in jp 'teaching'

18:35:06 asciilifeform: ('90s-?)

18:35:11 nubbins`: incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star

18:35:21 nubbins`: asciilifeform 90s-late 2000s

18:35:34 nubbins`: technically 90s-present depending on your tolerance for working illegally

18:36:37 mircea_popescu: fwiw, this particular sort of strange would definitely benefit from support more than OUTRAGE OMG!!1

18:36:55 mircea_popescu: on one hand, it does exactly nothing to anyone, including the kids in question, that some weirdo jacks off.

18:37:02 mircea_popescu: on the other hand, man... that's some serious issues.

18:38:14 mircea_popescu: on my tenuous grasp of insanity, it'd seem that it's an entirely vacuous thing, which takes the shape you impose upon it. if you insist it's dangerous... it will probably grow some dangerous appendages. if you treat it as benign, it will basically be benign.

18:38:46 nubbins`: it's only okay to have /some/ mental illnesses

18:39:10 mircea_popescu: i dunno what's more alienating than the bizarre that obviously feeds this comic strip.

18:39:13 nubbins`: hm i recall this one SL comic

18:39:23 mircea_popescu: i mean, neurosis is one thing. this however...

18:39:40 nubbins`: girl goes to porn audition, guy says "we have roles left in two films: 'beaten to death by hard cock' and 'do not talk to me, just cum on my face'"

18:39:43 nubbins`: girl says "hmmmmm"

18:40:03 nubbins`: later seen in change room, face glazed, asking girl covered in bruises "so what film were you in?"

18:41:05 mircea_popescu: is this like a blonde joke ?

18:43:35 nubbins`: http://sexylosers.com/194.html

18:43:36 assbot: #194 - Bukkake Nights ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1q4JZ )

18:51:36 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/036.html << lolz.

18:51:40 assbot: #036 - Calling Doctor Lovetalk ... ( http://bit.ly/1IEM5YS )

18:52:45 ben_vulpes: blast from the past!

18:53:32 mircea_popescu: back when you were shy ?

18:55:24 ben_vulpes: dunno that i've ever been shy

19:08:42 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: but you have been coy ;)

19:17:24 cazalla: nubbins`: incidentally, a guy i went to uni with, and whom i help get oriented on his first day in south korea, is now a straight-up major label pop star <<< western kpop stars exist?

19:18:10 nubbins`: ;;google used cassettes

19:18:11 gribble: USED CASSETTES - 열대,우리 (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHDbvKT4dOo; 유즈드 카세트 | Facebook: https://ko-kr.facebook.com/usedcassettesseoul; Used Cassettes (@usedcassettes) | Twitter: https://twitter.com/usedcassettes

19:20:54 cazalla: nubbins`, not my sorta music, i'll stick to hyuna

19:21:31 nubbins`: ;;google crying nut circus magic wanderers

19:21:32 gribble: Crying Nut - Circus Magic - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkSTFbWGPg; 100Beat's 100 Best Korean Albums of the '90s - Rate Your Music: http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Samzpoke/100beats_100_best_korean_albums_of_the_90s/; South Korean punk discography - Tian An Men 89 Records: http://www.tam89records.com/southkorea.html

19:22:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00039463 = 30.3076 BTC [+] {2}

19:26:02 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vbi45/i_find_it_comedic_that_people_think_bitcoin_can/ << moar lulz!!!!

19:26:13 thestringpuller: i love this block size/hard fork "debate"

19:47:15 mircea_popescu: "It's largely engineers who think about it in terms of game theory. They think that if you have unlimited blocksize, then the cost of transactions will go to zero because there will always be a competitor that is willing to include transactions even if you're charging X. They believe this will cause a race to bottom and there won't be any incentive for miners to secure the network because they can't cover costs.

19:47:15 mircea_popescu: I think of it from the perspective of utility. "

19:47:26 mircea_popescu: o look at it, suddenly the arguments that didn't exist now exist ?

19:47:34 mircea_popescu: except they don't have a source, somehow, magically ?

19:47:57 mircea_popescu: "something i heard from all the people that all read fraudsters but i won't mention this"

19:48:51 asciilifeform: 'Ye Queene.?O' God's name, who hath favored us? Hath it come to pass yt a fart shall fart itself?'

19:48:55 mircea_popescu: what i find comedic is the sort of schmuck that thinks he'll survive on intellectual dishonestly. here's the story : if i made it and you stole it, whatever you think about it and however you're representing it... it'll still work for me. not for you. that's the thing with culture.

19:49:28 mircea_popescu: five years ago romania was replete with kids who rewrote fraudsters articles about this and that to be like all cool and civilised and worldly and whatnot.

19:49:42 mircea_popescu: five years later... shit, it's the same thing. herp.

19:50:35 mircea_popescu: but anyway : it's not "mostly engineers". it's 100% of all the business people actually involved with bitcoin.

19:51:15 pete_dushenski: maybe "mostly engineers" are those horse-riding folk

19:51:21 pete_dushenski: the ones who can code a bit

19:51:37 thestringpuller: o look a pete_dushenski

19:51:37 mircea_popescu: at any rate, all this talk of "utility of bitcoin" can get fucked. it's a flimsy if doomed and in any case transparent attempt to frame the question in fiat terms.

19:51:42 thestringpuller: gotten me writin' blog posts again

19:51:47 thestringpuller: :P

19:51:48 mircea_popescu: the utility OF EVERYTHING justifies itself in bitcoin terms.

19:51:50 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: heya :)

19:51:59 mircea_popescu: bitcoin itself is money. that means BEYOND ANY UTILITY CONSIDERATION.

19:52:01 mircea_popescu: fucking period.

19:52:24 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what I don't get is why people are freaking out they will have to pay a lot of money to use the system?

19:52:25 mircea_popescu: all it has to do is make sure it's the best money. which it did. once that's done, utility is not a concern. you will work the blockchain if you have to do it by hand in dank cellars chained to the wall,

19:52:25 pete_dushenski: like the sun is energy

19:52:34 mircea_popescu: and ship the results by horse courrier

19:52:55 thestringpuller: How do poor people have this much energy to be this vocal about something they will not be able to control...

19:53:06 mircea_popescu: repackaging of ther "oh, utility of mining, all that electrictiy burned for nothing" crapolade.

19:53:18 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: because that's what makes them poor

19:53:24 pete_dushenski: as per the definition

19:53:32 mircea_popescu: the point of money is exactly this : that it may not itself be measured. there's no "utility" of money. it exclusively exists to measure everything else.

19:53:36 asciilifeform: if fleas could speak, i imagine they would be similarly vocal about the proper behaviour of dogs

19:53:39 pete_dushenski: their energy has no utility

19:53:41 mircea_popescu: every redditard's mother, can be measured in bitcoin.

19:54:01 pete_dushenski: to which: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/09/the-value-of-a-life/

19:54:02 assbot: The value of a life. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYItud )

19:54:12 pete_dushenski: man i know how to time it

19:54:38 pete_dushenski: i'm generous enough to propose that the value of a free and productive man is a bitcent

19:54:53 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: Yes, but back in the day people would just die after wasting too much energy trying to change something absolute in inevitability. (Doing rain dances during droughts instead of looking into irrigation).

19:55:27 thestringpuller: It's like the dinosaurs getting mad at mammals instead of the asteroid or something like that.

19:55:37 pete_dushenski: "what is the utility of a centimetre!"

19:55:51 thestringpuller: !b 1

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19:58:36 pete_dushenski: "Cathy Engelbert has been named chief executive of Deloitte LLP, the first woman to become CEO of one of the Big Four accounting firms in the U.S."

19:58:46 pete_dushenski: oh sweet another fallguy

19:58:50 mircea_popescu: what big four ? one of them died with enron neh ?

19:58:57 mircea_popescu: are they bringing the corpse back in on the quiet ?

19:59:12 pete_dushenski: pwc, deloitte...

19:59:41 pete_dushenski: google says kpmg, e&y

20:00:08 mircea_popescu: o they just promoted one

20:00:17 pete_dushenski: myea guess so

20:00:48 mircea_popescu: no more arthur andersen

20:01:42 pete_dushenski: the "new" 4 are all $25-35 bn in annual revenue

20:01:57 pete_dushenski: 160k-210k employees

20:02:06 pete_dushenski: so roughly of comparable size

20:02:26 mircea_popescu: funny, aa had like 80k iirc.

20:02:38 mircea_popescu: apparently accountancy become a pretty good business in the us, past decade.

20:02:51 mircea_popescu: who knew that expropriation creates bureaucracy1

20:02:57 pete_dushenski: you nailed it: 85k employees, $9bn revenue in '02

20:03:11 mircea_popescu: so "twice the money" except it's probably the same value,

20:03:26 mircea_popescu: and twice the employees so half the real salaries.

20:03:41 pete_dushenski: sure, that's be like what 6% inflation over 13 years

20:03:51 pete_dushenski: closer to 5 even

20:04:44 pete_dushenski: and wikitardia is saying that aa was part of the "big five"

20:05:10 mircea_popescu: retrospectively ?

20:06:10 pete_dushenski: seems so ? link for "big five" goes to "big four" article...

20:06:17 mircea_popescu: lol

20:06:24 mircea_popescu: it all makes sense in retrospect!

20:06:53 pete_dushenski: "of course the usd was going to vanish!"

20:07:17 mircea_popescu: "we said so all along"

20:09:18 pete_dushenski: oh and another scoop from yesterday: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/08/this-is-how-it-feels/

20:09:19 assbot: This is how it feels. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DYMdvF )

20:10:15 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the vid is actually quite credible.

20:10:18 mircea_popescu: it has the look.

20:12:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to this day there are rumours that the food was 'hidden somewhere' by usg stooges to cause shortages.

20:12:16 mircea_popescu: ayup

20:12:17 asciilifeform: and widely believed.

20:12:21 mircea_popescu: "the good tzar"

20:12:50 mircea_popescu: "it is not possible we just simply suck. our excellent goodness is hidden somewhere. if we coud just unleash the real we..."

20:13:36 asciilifeform: moar like 'it is not possible that the burst of suction came at just the ideally convenient time, direction, and vacuum pressure.'

20:13:44 asciilifeform: (without help)

20:13:45 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that video was quite literally one of that saddest things i've seen in months

20:14:11 asciilifeform: wai wat ?

20:14:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform am i hiding all the good nsa agents somewhere too ?

20:14:19 asciilifeform: l0l

20:15:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all the good agents are busy hunting for ilfak guilfanov, they wanna find new version of 'ida pro'.

20:15:43 asciilifeform: best theory

20:16:23 asciilifeform: (he and his sales derps are notoriously hard to get a hold of. one of the smallest - moneywise - and simultaneously ill-behaved monopolies i know of!)

20:16:36 pete_dushenski: wiki says ilfak lives in liege

20:16:43 pete_dushenski: not a huge place afaik

20:16:49 asciilifeform: aha now go buy from him.

20:17:10 mircea_popescu: it's only a monopoly by virtue of everyone else being retards

20:17:14 asciilifeform: aha

20:17:15 asciilifeform: how else.

20:17:17 mircea_popescu: oh , im sorry. "do-ocracistst"

20:17:59 mircea_popescu: well, normally monopoly is like this : i hire five ex convicts to beat up any boy that stands up, thus leaving me the only eligible teenager i nthe highschool. because no girl wants to fuck any of the other losers.

20:18:05 asciilifeform: it's a genuine monopoly, vs. usg derpopoly. as in, there is literally nothing that is fit to so much as lick the product's boots

20:18:07 mircea_popescu: THIS monopoly is more like, i'm the only kid that washes.

20:18:13 mircea_popescu: not a monopoly in any sense.

20:18:32 mircea_popescu: this is good and proper natural-ness. things as they should be.

20:18:51 asciilifeform: 'coca colas' with no 'pepsis' at their heels tend to grow stupider

20:19:03 pete_dushenski: because ida isn't supressing competition

20:19:16 pete_dushenski: not like ilfak is lobbying the state

20:19:38 asciilifeform: one can do a certain amount of 'suppression' just by being l33t enough

20:19:45 mircea_popescu: this is not supression.

20:19:48 asciilifeform: as in, everybody else gives up.

20:19:57 mircea_popescu: yeah. that's what's supposed to happen.

20:19:58 asciilifeform: net effect, one guy

20:20:08 asciilifeform: who starts going mad in his juices

20:20:10 mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of effects. it's a matter of causes.

20:20:40 asciilifeform: not that there is really any pill against this kind of thing

20:20:56 mircea_popescu: moreover, this "follow effects bs" is what leads one to "property is theft"

20:20:58 asciilifeform: but it's a problem, and anyone even casually involved in the field (of named example) is aware of it

20:21:04 mircea_popescu: after all, "the net effect is same"

20:21:13 mircea_popescu: i fail to see how it is a problem.

20:21:17 mircea_popescu: explain it to me.

20:22:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the proggy is a misery to use; works very half-heartedly anywhere other than winblows; costs $maxint; and, more direly, is not especially actively maintained. but there is nothing remotely like an alternative, not even a 'distant second', nor is anyone (afaik) remotely contemplating the idea of making one.

20:22:31 mircea_popescu: but i mean the problem.

20:22:51 mircea_popescu: so far all we got is "x sucks"

20:23:01 asciilifeform: x sucks and no competition

20:23:20 asciilifeform: because the hero is not yet born.

20:23:20 mircea_popescu: this can't be a problem. it's like mp's triangle : x sucks , no competition, anyone cares.

20:23:22 mircea_popescu: pick two.

20:23:33 asciilifeform: no one cares -enough-

20:23:39 mircea_popescu: so then.

20:23:39 asciilifeform: local maxima.

20:23:58 mircea_popescu: so then sit in your locale and be happy

20:24:05 mircea_popescu: why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima.

20:24:32 pete_dushenski: seems like alf just "wishes it were better"

20:24:46 pete_dushenski: and would probably even endeavour to make it so if "only had the time"

20:24:52 mircea_popescu: every wish is sacred, every wish is good...

20:25:02 mircea_popescu: but i can see his point. waste of time to go into the guts of windows.

20:25:04 pete_dushenski: just my reading between the lines

20:25:06 mircea_popescu: so... don't.

20:25:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to realize that to the extent reverse-engineered drivers exist for various things, the entire undertaking stands - and falls - on w4r3z 'ida pro' as much as on leaked/stolen docs

20:25:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i understand that part.

20:25:42 asciilifeform: it's one of the elephants/tortoises on which the entire thing shakily stands.

20:25:59 asciilifeform: and it's a lame elephant with gangrenous legs.

20:26:00 pete_dushenski: turtle swimming through the stars...

20:26:02 mircea_popescu: and you're right in pointing out that ida is probably a thing to rewrite, alongside gpg, etc

20:26:45 asciilifeform: dwarfs most of the projects we've discussed here in the sheer intrinsic gnarliness.

20:27:39 mircea_popescu: which is why not muchly discussed.

20:27:43 asciilifeform: the part i was trying to answer was 'why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima'

20:28:32 mircea_popescu: it may be the case that the maxima is fine.

20:28:38 mircea_popescu: ie, that's the best that can be had.

20:29:04 asciilifeform: winblows is axiomatically not part of any future 'best that can be had' that i'm willing to interoperate with.

20:29:20 mircea_popescu: yeah why the fucxk did the guy write it in win anywa

20:29:20 asciilifeform: as a usg appendage, it is for the furnace.

20:29:54 asciilifeform: why orcs tend to write, think, live, breathe in winblows, is worthy of its own thread.

20:29:59 asciilifeform: but it is a well-established fact

20:30:01 asciilifeform: unfortunately.

20:30:47 asciilifeform: my understanding is that ru, cn folks, by and large, never gave even a basic fuck re: open source whatever, until very recently and still insignificantly

20:30:58 mircea_popescu: odd.

20:31:00 asciilifeform: because on no account did anyone there remotely contemplate paying for software

20:31:09 asciilifeform: or foreign warez being unavailable

20:31:09 mircea_popescu: but that's not really what's deriving it.

20:31:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00039203 = 12.2705 BTC [-]

20:31:23 mircea_popescu: i suppose the problem is that the us is fully aspirational, whereas the ru world a lot more practical.

20:31:26 asciilifeform: aha

20:31:28 pete_dushenski: i think it's the "it worked for the us" thing again

20:31:29 asciilifeform: cn - same

20:31:42 mircea_popescu: no dude seriously contemplates telling parents / prospect / parents of prosepct that "he contributes to wikipedia"

20:31:46 pete_dushenski: same as concrete highways to nowhere

20:32:10 mircea_popescu: odd that foss got a lot further in latin america.

20:32:23 mircea_popescu: if it were "it worked for us" it'd be mre latin america and less ru.

20:32:26 mircea_popescu: not the other way around.

20:32:29 pete_dushenski: romania too afaik

20:32:31 asciilifeform: there is also a parallel, historical explanation

20:32:41 pete_dushenski: likes foss

20:32:42 asciilifeform: in late-years ussr, university education included unix

20:32:57 asciilifeform: but all the native pdp clones, their unixen, etc. were sent to the dump

20:33:07 asciilifeform: when native, and then imported ibm pc compatibles appeard

20:33:09 mircea_popescu: hm.

20:33:16 asciilifeform: instantly - msdos and then winblows

20:33:41 mircea_popescu: odd.

20:34:03 pete_dushenski: latin america has really only imitated the us to the extent that they've been forced to

20:34:06 asciilifeform: by the time it became practical to keep a unix box at home in ru, most of the 'candidates' for this were already enjoying the rewards of writing elaborate winblows crapware, etc.

20:34:17 pete_dushenski: russia has done so because... grocery stores

20:35:33 mircea_popescu: basically the problem is negative incentives. lots of money to be made from windows holes.

20:35:42 asciilifeform: not primarily holes

20:35:44 asciilifeform: but warez

20:35:58 asciilifeform: the tradition of parasitizing on foreign devs for virtually all needs - continued

20:36:24 *: mircea_popescu shrugs.

20:38:28 asciilifeform: somewhat tangentially, it was never at all likely that a thing like 'ida' would be produced by anyone other than a thinking man who happens to be a hardcore winblows user.

20:38:38 mircea_popescu: not enough need ?

20:38:48 asciilifeform: have to be a fanatical scholar of winblowsism.

20:39:01 mircea_popescu: true, this.

20:39:07 mircea_popescu: obviously, it has source code, right ?

20:39:54 asciilifeform: referring here to instances where microshit sources leaked ?

20:39:57 asciilifeform: (or what)

20:40:31 mircea_popescu: no, ida itself.

20:40:37 asciilifeform: aha

20:40:41 mircea_popescu: it's not hand written straight into bytecode.

20:40:50 mircea_popescu: so at some point the corp's gonna go bankrupt and you can buy the code then

20:40:57 mircea_popescu: prolly for cheap as nobody cares.

20:41:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gonna bet that it'll end up in the same place as symbolics sources

20:41:18 mircea_popescu: where's that ?

20:41:24 asciilifeform: usg limbo

20:41:36 asciilifeform: 'dog in the manger'

20:42:20 mircea_popescu: this is not very clear.

20:42:34 mircea_popescu: and what were symbolics sources in anyway, cl ?

20:42:45 asciilifeform: i happen to know with fair degree of certainty that the number one buyer of 'ida' is usg.

20:42:53 asciilifeform: at least, as of several years ago.

20:43:49 mircea_popescu: hm.

20:44:06 asciilifeform: the symbolics sources in the usual sense (of lisp) are largely on 'pirate bay'. but they are quite useless without the chip design.

20:44:24 mircea_popescu: hey, any foxy force five chicks in the audience : there's a job to bust into the liege offices of a tiny firm and steal source code. catsuit optional. get in touch.

20:45:12 asciilifeform: as an experiment, i spoke to dave schmidt (actual person, went to his house, bought an ancient machine.) pleasant old man. and asked re: buying docs. he claimed that he was not at liberty to sell, at any price, due to pacts with usg.

20:45:27 asciilifeform: as far as i remember the conversation, that's the part that stuck with me.

20:45:49 asciilifeform: http://symbolics-dks.com

20:45:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1APS2y1 )

20:46:18 mircea_popescu: well, so you can have them post-usg

20:46:19 asciilifeform: ^ used to be 'symbolics.com' - oldest registered .com - in fact. but dks sold it to spammers (yes) to pay bills a few yrs ago.

20:46:29 mircea_popescu: not entirely clear to me who cares about an obsolete chip design, but hey.

20:47:00 *: asciilifeform in his judgement does not believe it to be 'obsolete' in the normal sense of the word.

20:47:10 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/germany-austrias-project-bitcrime/ ;;rate -10000 scoopbot lazy, doesn't come around these parts much anymore

20:47:11 assbot: Germany & Austria's Project BITCRIME | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1APSn3T )

20:48:07 mircea_popescu: mebbe you're right.

20:48:13 mircea_popescu: ;;seen peterl

20:48:13 gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 0 hours, 37 minutes, and 1 second ago: <PeterL> My wife's bike was once stolen out of our garage ... whoever took it left their bike sitting in our yard. It was the weirdest thing.

20:48:17 pete_dushenski: cazalla: i concur wholeheartedly

20:48:19 asciilifeform: foxy force five chicks << the funny part is that very little would change re: the situation of 'ida' if the author published his sources tomorrow.

20:48:30 asciilifeform: it's in gnarly, stinking cpp, similar to bitcoind...

20:48:32 mircea_popescu: dude what is this thing, everyone can make sites nobody can keep them online.

20:48:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen. wanting for the sake of want is not enough. you gotta want something.

20:49:02 asciilifeform: ... and want enough.

20:49:10 asciilifeform: as in, willing to bleed

20:49:39 asciilifeform: this point is under-appreciated

20:52:06 asciilifeform: (to any 'symbolics' fans: my investigations suggest - but do not prove! that the rights to the assets were purchased, several years ago, by an nsa shill corp. for somewhere south of 5m usd.)

20:54:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way, for what it's worth you should probably make a complete wish list and publish it.

20:54:31 mircea_popescu: you never know what the next bundle of leaks includes, or who's a reader.

20:54:50 mircea_popescu: so far the biggest problem anon suffers from is that it doesn't really know what to get.

20:55:58 pete_dushenski: "On the 1st of October 2014 we invested ฿1 in the house bank of the top 9 bitcoin gambling investments sites"

20:56:05 asciilifeform: the truly interesting leaks would be the 'great mysteries' cited in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 - but the boojum lies in the total impossibility of authenticating any such leak.

20:56:06 assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1APULYf )

20:56:13 pete_dushenski: result: "37% scam rate & -24% ROI in 5 months"

20:56:35 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski hehehe sounds bout right.

20:56:59 pete_dushenski: because who needs a wot amirite ?

20:57:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something.

20:57:08 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tell em not me :D

20:57:28 pete_dushenski: lol this cult is the best choir though

20:57:32 asciilifeform: i'll elaborate re: above: 'directorate xxx was unable to break rsa despite five quadrillion bezzlars blown in five years' is only mildly interesting because directorate yyy might have a functioning voodoo doll from whose arsehole keys drip on demand. etc.

20:57:51 asciilifeform: leak cannot 'prove a negative'

20:58:53 mircea_popescu: practical. "i want the chip designs for the original symbolics. i want pictures of malia obama eating out sasha obama. i want the average bra size of us uniforms"

20:58:56 mircea_popescu: actionable stuff.

20:59:50 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/115.html lol

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21:39:48 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Who's actually arguing this? The Romanian camel dude?"

21:39:50 thestringpuller: ^LOL

21:39:57 mircea_popescu: huh ?

21:40:28 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vbi45/i_find_it_comedic_that_people_think_bitcoin_can/cogb9f2 < from redditards

21:40:56 thestringpuller: i thought it was funny. i laugh at beavis and butthead. reddit is pretty much that.

21:41:18 mircea_popescu: shit, reddit was mike judge's comeback all along ?

21:41:25 mircea_popescu: fuck, son... i am surprist.

21:41:56 thestringpuller: just need to wait from some kid to die from doing something they saw on reddit

21:43:01 thestringpuller: "The world doesn't need millions of copies of the blockchain. 10,000 copies is probably enough." << the pseudo-arguments just get funnier and funnier

21:43:52 danielpbarron: why not one copy run by gavin himself?

21:45:19 mircea_popescu: there's little funnier than watching the socialist/libertard lot coming to terms with the notiopn that their collective anal rings are gripping on my cock whenever i feel like.

21:45:34 mircea_popescu: the only serious promise bitcoin makes is, there's more of that to come.

21:45:49 asciilifeform: where is the sign that they are coming to terms with any of it ?

21:45:51 thestringpuller: "No, Gavin said this can still run on a normal internet connection. Other alt-coin have "master node" and all that crap. Nobody force anyone to be a full node, and nobody that is currently running a full node is complaining.

21:45:54 thestringpuller: The idea is not to prevent bitcoin but to empower it."

21:45:56 mircea_popescu: "oh, we're so right and in agreement and important and relevant!111"

21:46:10 thestringpuller: LOL. "But Gavin told us it does run on "normal" internet"

21:46:16 thestringpuller: !ascii pogo count

21:46:17 thestringpuller: lolol

21:46:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, frantic activity is not just a cover-up for impotence. it is also the first step towards acceptance.

21:46:53 asciilifeform: all i can see (with admittedly untrained eye) is the usual daily anthill

21:46:56 asciilifeform: and its usual motions

21:47:15 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's like person who struggling under water while drowning

21:47:17 mircea_popescu: well yes. an anal ring is, the usual cellular chemistry, and biodynamics.

21:47:25 mircea_popescu: just, it pulsates around a different pole these days is all.

21:47:34 mircea_popescu: minor point, obviously.

21:47:54 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: first tehy scream and panic and eventually just take it

21:48:08 thestringpuller: like stages of grief it appears

21:51:37 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/141.html lawl.

21:51:38 assbot: #141 - Four Boobies and a Funeral II ... ( http://bit.ly/16HYsSf )

21:52:13 mircea_popescu: you know, the entire point of the "hypocrisy" of civilisation, and the accumulated pile of ridiculous, wrong and stupid

21:52:19 mircea_popescu: it's all here to avoid this situation.

21:55:22 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/146.html also not bad

21:55:23 assbot: #146 - Finger Play III ... ( http://bit.ly/16HZA8t )

22:14:24 danielpbarron: "GIT - the stupid content tracker, the revision control system heavily used by the Linux kernel team" << description of git package in gentoo, lol

22:17:27 mircea_popescu: what's gentoo use ?

22:18:52 *: danielpbarron shrugs

22:19:27 mircea_popescu: inb4 perl

22:22:37 BingoBoingo: www.raspberrypi.org/xenon-death-flash-a-free-physics-lesson/ << Engineering oversight mega-lol

22:23:02 asciilifeform: !s phototransistors

22:23:03 assbot: 2 results for 'phototransistors' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phototransistors

22:23:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^

22:24:59 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm just wondering why they included the bare silicon die sitting atop solder balls. I know their goal is "cheap" but it seems like they crossed over into "cheap"

22:25:16 mircea_popescu: it's small.

22:25:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: SOP in chinese crap. but traditionally there is a blob of black epoxy over them. in this case - starvation-cheap, omitted the epoxy.

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22:36:17 cazalla: while i sit here and eat the carrot cake i made last night and enjoy a cuppa, you know what would be really good? a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit

22:37:02 mircea_popescu: what are you, elaine ?

22:38:09 cazalla: funny you mention that, a slice and the topper of son's first birthday cake is in the freezer.. will remain there for god knows how long

22:45:51 mircea_popescu: knew a guy that actually buried it with a tree he planted.

22:46:03 mircea_popescu: then when the kid was like 12, some dude drove into the tree

22:46:27 mircea_popescu: sawed it right off. then this guy was about to kill the driver while waitig for ambulance

22:46:49 BingoBoingo: !b 4

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22:47:33 cazalla: i'd just as soon throw it in the bin but.. missus demands to keep it for some reason despite the fact it will eventually go into the bin yet take up freezer room for fucking years to come

22:50:47 *: asciilifeform considered miniaturized cryostats for consumer market at one point, for weirdos like this

22:51:31 mircea_popescu: if only there was semiconductor

22:51:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00039821 = 12.2848 BTC [+]

22:52:08 asciilifeform: superconductor ?

22:52:52 mircea_popescu: right

22:53:46 mircea_popescu: forget lasers, those things'd make some pretty kickass engines.

22:53:51 asciilifeform: cheap enough cryostat would give you cheapo superconductor, but afaik - not vice versa

22:56:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wire with no resistence consumes no energy right ? but electric charge moving still creates field, right ?

22:56:10 mircea_popescu: infinity efficiency compressor.

22:56:16 asciilifeform: nope.

22:56:21 asciilifeform: 2nd law violation.

22:56:39 mircea_popescu: don';t bust the dream. mebbe 2nd law is repealed :D

22:56:43 asciilifeform: l0l

22:57:43 mircea_popescu: !up cjc

22:58:03 asciilifeform: think this way, the moving charge in the superconductor is analogous to the motions of other bodies which do no 'work' in the thermodynamic sense

22:58:51 cjc: Thanks mircea_popescu, How are you today?

22:59:39 mircea_popescu: i ate too much chocolate cake.

22:59:43 mircea_popescu: otherwise, fine. why ?

23:00:04 cjc: I would like chocolate cake -- but will instead have pizza delivered soon.

23:00:24 *: asciilifeform by sheer coincidence also ate too much chocolate cake

23:00:31 cjc: No reason for asking other than salutations.

23:00:53 mircea_popescu: pizza schmizza. home made (actually, slave made!) black sponge cake with bananas in a rich chocolate ganache. from scratch!

23:03:36 cjc: It would be nice to have been eating desert instead right now.

23:03:52 cjc: dessert, rather?

23:05:17 mircea_popescu: depends if you had any sand in mind.

23:05:20 TheNewDeal: Deserts not a bad meal either

23:10:08 cjc: When you describe the black sponge cake from scratch... it sounds like you have happy and well kept slaves.

23:10:31 mircea_popescu: for teh most part.

23:11:37 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, there's a bitcoin kink group. 90 guys of which 50% over 50, 10 gals, of which half from thailand.

23:11:48 asciilifeform: http://srom.zgp.org << mega-lol

23:11:49 assbot: Operating System Sucks-Rules-O-Meter ... ( http://bit.ly/1veGTjh )

23:13:13 cazalla: always found it bizarre "winners don't use drugs" would appear in the arcade games i played here, didn't even know what drugs were at the time

23:13:42 mircea_popescu: early branding.

23:13:51 cazalla: i'm 10, playing TMNT.. why is DOJ telling me about drugs?

23:14:31 mircea_popescu: so you recognize it later.

23:14:46 mircea_popescu: otherwise local druglord' be all "hey kid, want some drugs ?" and you'd be "huh ?"

23:16:28 cjc: eh, oddly enough -- once my friends from high school started having kids and telling me how the doctors wanted to pump them up with pills as soon as they were school age..

23:16:47 cjc: it seems the pusher is the school teacher for "behavioral meds" or the doctor

23:18:21 asciilifeform: cjc: http://mazepath.com/uncleal/ritalin3.htm http://mazepath.com/uncleal/ritalin2.htm

23:18:22 assbot: "I WAS ALL MESSED UP ON DRUGS... ... ( http://bit.ly/1CN4Zt9 )

23:18:23 assbot: SPEED HEALS ... ( http://bit.ly/1CN4YFx )

23:18:30 mircea_popescu: heh.

23:18:32 asciilifeform: at this point, ancient tradition.

23:18:58 *: asciilifeform still thinks it's reddit, not the dope, that gives us the 'nobody born after '90 is worth talking to' situation.

23:19:32 mircea_popescu: wakit

23:19:39 mircea_popescu: aderall is actually meth !?

23:19:44 asciilifeform: neh

23:19:49 cjc: apparently

23:20:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it';s the parents, the meds, the other kids in this order, my guess.

23:20:12 TheNewDeal: Its the dumbed down version

23:20:44 thestringpuller: no adderall is pretty much meth

23:20:45 mircea_popescu: !up taub

23:21:07 asciilifeform: http://www.cmaj.ca/content/178/13/1679/F1.large.jpg

23:21:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CN5vr1 )

23:21:18 mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot taub

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23:21:27 mircea_popescu: !rate taub 1 Voice

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23:21:59 asciilifeform: i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc.

23:22:02 asciilifeform: if he feels like it

23:22:22 thestringpuller: cazalla: I thought about that a lot throughout college.

23:22:26 taub: thank you

23:22:30 taub: i cant into pgp

23:23:02 thestringpuller: Did the feds think, "You know who is doing drugs these days, kids in the arcades with no parental supervision."

23:23:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9933 @ 0.00039821 = 3.9554 BTC [+]

23:23:26 taub: well it's 'just' amphetamine, but very similar to meth

23:23:29 taub: meth is just way more potent

23:23:30 thestringpuller: The whole bart simpson era of "troublemakers" which I really don't understand since most of them do coke to work their 80 hour a week jobs.

23:24:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8967 @ 0.00040229 = 3.6073 BTC [+]

23:24:19 asciilifeform: it is interesting that open literature contains substantially less useful info on what a particular variety of dope 'does' than it might seem, because of what used to be called 'comorbidities'

23:25:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness : the only practical way to reduce the 7-8 bn to the more sane lower tens of millions is this.

23:25:30 mircea_popescu: what else ? shoot them ?

23:25:31 taub: when you take your adderall like prescribed by the doctor, i think its a pretty safe drug tho

23:25:35 taub: not gonna eat holes into your brain

23:25:43 asciilifeform: i.e. the 'before and after' faces found in various usg propaganda depict people who not only took $dopeoftheday but were perpetually pickled, smoked everything and anything that burns, contracted every known vd, etc.

23:25:47 cazalla: thestringpuller, reminds me.. you seen that video of the black kid in the arcade who actually looks like he is on drugs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee8-wRHCCg4

23:25:49 assbot: Crazy kid goes nuts at Chuck E Cheese - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1veJdXg )

23:25:54 mircea_popescu: taub why cant you pgp /

23:25:55 taub: now if you got an addictive personality, its a different thing

23:26:47 taub: i just never botherd

23:26:58 mircea_popescu: somehow you're reg'd.

23:27:33 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if lizardhitler picked the currently usg-'blessed' varieties of dope to zap folks prior to reproductive age, he needs to fire his chemist

23:28:02 mircea_popescu: the idea isn't to zap anyone.

23:32:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75129 @ 0.00039129 = 29.3972 BTC [-] {2}

23:34:00 asciilifeform: related thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808005

23:34:00 assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems

23:34:12 thestringpuller: LOL cazalla

23:34:24 mircea_popescu: in fairness, more common.

23:34:30 thestringpuller: d00d the pseudo argument of "Bitcoin is a democracy" is starting to irritate me

23:36:16 thestringpuller: "Remember student council, and individuals running for student office. It was a popularity contest right? Well did those elected have any real power other than in name?"

23:37:06 mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, reddit doesn't JUST think bitcoin is democracy. everything is democracy. according to redditard lore, i need their vote to get laid.

23:37:11 mircea_popescu: ppl actually believe this.

23:37:53 mircea_popescu: i definiely need their vote to be happy, and if being rich were allowed (it isn't) then DEFINITELY the only way to get rich is to sell fifty billion fucktards stuff for a quarter each.

23:38:11 asciilifeform: !b 4

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23:38:17 thestringpuller: ^- d00d why is this argument used so much in "Business school"

23:38:48 thestringpuller: "OMG You shouldn't try to sell one thing for a billion bucks. YOu should sell a billion things for a dollar each! it's so much more valuable"

23:39:23 mircea_popescu: "and then you must donate the profits!"

23:39:56 thestringpuller: Given we know 1% own 99% of the wealth

23:40:04 thestringpuller: why would you ever spend time trying to get money from poor people?

23:40:14 thestringpuller: They don't matter in that context. Ever.

23:41:01 taub: darkcoin making a little run

23:41:12 taub: how i hate altcoins

23:42:57 thestringpuller: !up bitcoinquestions

23:43:51 bitcoinquestions: If the blockchain were to fork into 2 chains. 1 chain where the blocksize limit was the Gavin scam and 1 chain where it was kept at 1MB, can't everyone just profit by selling their coins on the scam chain and rebuying back the coins on the old chain?

23:45:44 thestringpuller: yes. this is explained by MP

23:46:04 thestringpuller: ;;google site:qntra.net hard fork missile crisis

23:46:05 gribble: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/; After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" | Qntra.net: http://qntra.net/2014/11/after-survery-vessenes-foundation-pivots/; asciilifeform | Qntra.net: http://qntra.net/author/asciilifeform/

23:46:22 thestringpuller: i reference the attack in my article bitcoinquestions

23:46:41 bitcoinquestions: can't load any of those pages

23:46:51 bitcoinquestions: but I'm guessing your article just dives deeper into the same thing I just said right?

23:48:35 asciilifeform: bitcoinquestions: would it trouble you to take a moment to introduce yourself and state how and why you came to #b-a?

23:48:45 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-all-time-high-in-bitcoin-mining-difficulty/ sco.. ah forget it

23:48:46 assbot: New All Time High In Bitcoin Mining Difficulty | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1veLRwr )

23:49:08 asciilifeform: bitcoinquestions: so far we've heard nothing but questions; so now i ask a question of you.

23:49:24 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/new-all-time-high-in-bitcoin-mining-difficulty/

23:49:58 cazalla: oh, scoopbot is back

23:50:10 bitcoinquestions: asciilifeform: sure, I'm an MIT dropout (or well taking time off at least) doing my own startup and collecting bitcoins along the way instead of paying tuition. I heard about b-a in an article in the nakamotoinstitute

23:50:34 asciilifeform: bitcoinquestions: what were you studying prior to dropping out ?

23:50:38 bitcoinquestions: CS / Econ

23:50:43 bitcoinquestions: : )

23:51:38 asciilifeform: what of the startup? what's it do

23:51:51 bitcoinquestions: www.pushforpizza.com

23:52:41 thestringpuller: amazon is going to sue you

23:52:46 thestringpuller: if you get too big

23:52:56 bitcoinquestions: lol whatever

23:52:56 thestringpuller: dat one click shopping :P

23:53:13 bitcoinquestions: i will be very happy if we get to the point where amazon cares about suing us

23:54:30 Naphex: !up mandarin

23:54:48 mircea_popescu: this is riotously funny. so how does b-a look to the mit cs/econ (?!) undegrad doing a pizzforpusha startup ?

23:55:46 Naphex: i'd probably use it, when i'm really toned.

23:55:48 Naphex: :o

23:55:56 bitcoinquestions: yeah that's the point

23:56:09 Naphex: too bad most delivery around where i live is crap ;o

23:56:28 Naphex: bitcoinquestions: so where do you get the money from?

23:56:57 mircea_popescu: Naphex timisoara deliveries are... ONE HOUR. i lulzed my ass off at them.

23:57:07 mircea_popescu: buenos aires deliveries generally take 10 minutes tho.

23:57:15 Naphex: mircea_popescu: same here. one hour and cold ;o

23:57:18 mircea_popescu: like you know, sane places.