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00:19:06 mircea_popescu: dexX7 ouch.

00:31:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "To understand this by repeating this, only 20 members have posted on the Big Rock Candy Foundation 's forum in the last six months."

00:32:13 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of them were me.

00:38:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [+]

00:38:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00579955 = 0.348 BTC [+] {4}

00:49:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1214 @ 0.00012673 = 0.1539 BTC [-] {2}

01:10:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]

01:47:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 572 @ 0.00080963 = 0.4631 BTC [-] {2}

01:49:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0477 = 0.2862 BTC [-] {2}

01:52:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05498993 = 0.22 BTC [+]

01:56:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23981 @ 0.00099374 = 23.8309 BTC [-] {2}

02:04:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04771249 = 0.3817 BTC [-] {3}

02:05:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03372473 = 0.4047 BTC [+] {6}

02:17:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu I suspect they must have a seekrit forum, because You have more socks than that everywhere.

02:24:59 thestringpuller: there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum

02:25:05 thestringpuller: only the cool kids are allowed to read and post

02:26:20 decimation: "This issue did not affect the versions of openssl as shipped with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.4 and earlier. This issue does affect Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.5, Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Hypervisor 6.5, and Red Hat Storage 2.1, which provided openssl 1.0.1e."

02:28:07 decimation: woe to those who upgrade

02:29:42 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

02:29:43 mpexbot: thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['200 @ 0.00097812', '1000 @ 0.00096001', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101']

02:29:44 mpexbot: thestringpuller: Asks: ['8926 @ 0.00098989', '3450 @ 0.00099914', '22218 @ 0.0009995', '16000 @ 0.0010045', '161792 @ 0.00101']

02:29:56 TestingUnoDosTre: .d

02:29:57 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1481 blocks | Estimated Change: 1.4776% in 10d 2h 58m 7s

02:31:12 zacm: The SEC has become “an agency that polices the broken windows on the street level and rarely goes to the penthouse floors,” Kidney said, according to a copy of his remarks obtained by Bloomberg News.

02:31:22 zacm: Kidney said his superiors were more focused on getting high-paying jobs after their government service than on bringing difficult cases. The agency’s penalties, Kidney said, have become “at most a tollbooth on the bankster turnpike.”

02:31:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00097812 = 0.1956 BTC [-]

02:31:35 zacm: http://bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-08/sec-goldman-lawyer-says-agency-too-timid-on-wall-street-misdeeds.html

02:31:36 ozbot: SEC Goldman Lawyer Says Agency Too Timid on Wall Street Misdeeds - Bloomberg

02:31:54 zacm: ra, ra, there's your "regulation"

02:31:56 decimation: This is what happens when the USG pays peanuts for 'talent'

02:31:56 TestingUnoDosTre: wow

02:32:25 TestingUnoDosTre: easy explanation deicimation

02:33:11 decimation: if you could double your income or better, which side of the fence would you play?

02:33:44 TestingUnoDosTre: never getting a job at the SEC

02:33:47 nubbins`: i knew a guy named kidney

02:33:52 nubbins`: his wife was a kidney specialist

02:33:53 nubbins`: no joke

02:34:56 decimation: the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army

02:42:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58145351 = 9.8847 BTC [-] {6}

02:43:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58 = 1.74 BTC [-] {2}

02:47:33 zacm: what?! Don't Ivy League graduates at the top of their class look forward to that nice, lucrative SEC position?

02:47:34 zacm: lol

02:48:08 TestingUnoDosTre: Thats the thing, they would never go to the SEC in the first place

02:50:55 zacm: better off having the dumber ones there anyway

02:51:17 decimation: and that explains the workings of the USG

02:51:54 zacm: more intelligent doesn't imply more benevolent

02:52:41 TestingUnoDosTre: It's not like the USG can afford, or even needs to pay a high salary

02:53:01 decimation: more intelligent implies more competent

02:53:05 TestingUnoDosTre: think of positions like Senator , which makes like $175k or something.

02:53:14 TestingUnoDosTre: There are MANY other perks

02:54:05 zacm: competent to follow the incentives, like getting through the revolving door to a higher paying job, making deals along the way to do so

02:55:49 TestingUnoDosTre: ok I acn't argue with that

02:56:21 decimation: even ants follow incentives

03:04:18 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

03:04:18 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00097812 BTC [-]

03:24:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0058 = 0.174 BTC [+]

03:25:08 benkay: http://end-o.tumblr.com/post/80913546146

03:25:08 ozbot: STEALTH

03:25:25 benkay: or: http://wehadnoidea.tumblr.com/post/80908326562

03:25:56 asciilifeform: wtf is that

03:26:35 punkman: how do you even do that

03:29:57 benkay: amazing cops

03:29:57 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:31:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05499195 = 0.5499 BTC [+]

03:32:14 BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read?

03:32:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's a bigger issue than one particular C turd

03:32:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course.

03:33:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about anything that involves a book-length standard, esp. with the familiar committees, is an inevitable turd.

03:33:38 BingoBoingo: How is clisp's webserver on the SSL stuff

03:34:07 asciilifeform: clisp as in 'common lisp' or the particular implementation thereof called 'clisp' ?

03:34:11 asciilifeform: they're rather different things

03:34:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01499918 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2}

03:35:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The particular implementation

03:35:10 asciilifeform: never used it.

03:35:26 BingoBoingo: Ah, I have yet to play with SBCL

03:35:44 asciilifeform: 'clisp' is mostly used by people running 'exotica' (machines for which there is no 'sbcl')

03:36:20 asciilifeform: it is dog-slow - exactly what unfortunates who went to uni for 'comp sci' expect a lisp to be like.

03:36:24 BingoBoingo: I see. It's also the implementation "Land of Lisp" supposes for most of its exercises

03:37:13 asciilifeform: most web crap in common lisp uses 'CL+SSL', an FFI wrapper of traditional openssl.

03:37:20 asciilifeform: so they're as hosed as everyone

03:38:15 BingoBoingo: Ah

03:39:57 BingoBoingo: Seems the hardware aspects of Loper are only the beginnings of the mess

03:40:35 asciilifeform: people have this very special facial expression they make when they finally understand what i've been arguing for

03:41:14 asciilifeform: (tldr - pretend the last 40 years, other than semiconductor chemistry, never happened)

03:43:24 BingoBoingo: But they happened because it is easy to "circle the wagons around the cesspool buying time to fish out another turd for sale"

03:44:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00579999 = 0.116 BTC [-]

03:52:01 BingoBoingo: The state of the art from 1980 on 2004 semiconductors would be a hell of a thing to behold

04:04:39 ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XxB03SfGbU

04:04:40 ozbot: Mike Hearn on Coming Bitcoin Protocol Updates - YouTube

04:04:52 ThickAsThieves: " Jered Kenna interviewed Bitcoin core developer Mike Hearn about BitcoinJ, the Tor network, and what developments are coming to the Bitcoin protocol. Mike explains why BitcoinJ will be using the Tor network for greater privacy and security."

04:05:18 ThickAsThieves: pass everything through NSA plz!

04:05:48 BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: And this is why I've never upgraded Multibit beyond version 0.5.11

04:05:50 asciilifeform: they should just build a surrender pit for idiots to jump in.

04:06:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.054999 = 0.22 BTC [+]

04:06:23 asciilifeform: where they get reprocessed into biodiesel.

04:07:04 ThickAsThieves: i was speaking with a former military tech at the bar a few weeks ago and he was giving me a shit-eating grin about NSA/Tor

04:07:28 BingoBoingo: Sometime you can judge a book by its publisher

04:07:47 ThickAsThieves: he seemed pretty proud of the notion that most nodes were USG

04:07:50 asciilifeform: wait for... the new, seekuur!1! replacement for tor.

04:08:04 asciilifeform: youheardithere1st (tm)

04:08:28 ThickAsThieves: now he works repo for a bank

04:08:43 ThickAsThieves: telling me how they use pizza delivery data to catch people live n shit

04:08:49 BingoBoingo: I've always assumed actuall turrorists would run their own mini-Tors on botnets they control

04:09:44 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: you can repossess a pizza !?

04:09:48 ThickAsThieves: lol

04:09:52 ThickAsThieves: no

04:10:05 ThickAsThieves: i forget his method

04:10:09 ThickAsThieves: just creepy shit

04:10:21 ThickAsThieves: most creepy was his pride

04:10:40 ThickAsThieves: said stuff like "you dont use tor unless youre doing something illegal"

04:13:04 Duffer1: why won't you let me cavity search you if you're not doing anything illegal

04:13:28 thestringpuller: lol Duffer1

04:15:23 BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Maybe when multiple times a day cavity searching gets normalized, some of the searchers will send the search with notes reading things like " Cavity searched earlier, sphincter torn, proceed with caution"

04:20:03 BingoBoingo: The implications of this are probably the most interesting of anything Coindesk has ever posted on which falls into their shere of having an influence on http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-lee-proposes-merged-mining-litecoin-dogecoin/

04:20:52 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Is x-bt not heartbleeding?

04:21:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-lee-proposes-merged-mining-litecoin-dogecoin/

04:23:46 BingoBoingo: OH SHIT ULTIMATE WARRIOR IS DEAD

04:23:54 asciilifeform: ...he was giving me a shit-eating grin about NSA... most creepy was his pride << orwell had a pretty good piece on this

04:23:59 asciilifeform: http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/chase/english/e_bland

04:24:00 ozbot: George Orwell: Raffles and Miss Blandish

04:24:04 BingoBoingo: http://www.wwe.com/inside/ultimate-warrior-passes-away-26223975

04:24:04 ozbot: Ultimate Warrior passes away | WWE.com

04:24:47 asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the basic myth of the Western world is Jack the Giant-killer, but to be brought up to date this should be renamed Jack the Dwarf-killer...'

04:25:10 mod6: < BingoBoingo> Sometime you can judge a book by its publisher << +1

04:25:59 bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm not sure if you recognized fluffypony from a few hours ago but that's the same handle as the forum dood you pwned in "Why finance shouldn't be open to your average Schmoe." I recognized the name because i linked to that piece earlier today after someone tweeted about some BTCJam "hack." One fluffypony asked for coins for his kitchen, one for his rig frames…

04:25:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

04:26:36 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Wait, there's a fraudsters about that maybe

04:26:42 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Find it.

04:26:55 bitcoinpete: http://t.co/eLQt5VxLxQ

04:26:55 ozbot: Why finance shouldn’t be open to your average Schmoe pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:27:02 bitcoinpete: ?

04:27:09 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: And as you do that say a lament to Ultimate Warrior's passing

04:27:42 BingoBoingo: Ah, fucking freenode fixing their SSL...

04:27:49 BingoBoingo: Slow all day

04:28:22 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo ripwweuw

04:28:39 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Is that the Hashtag?

04:28:55 bitcoinpete: it is now

04:29:04 bitcoinpete: policy on many a topic are set here

04:29:15 bitcoinpete: not necessarily by me, however

04:31:45 BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/to-carry-on-what-another-poster-had-originally-started-1561168122

04:31:45 ozbot: Jim Hellwig, Known As The Ultimate Warrior, Reportedly Dead

04:33:34 BingoBoingo: I can only assume the NSOMGWTFBBQ offed him to distract from BleedHeart

04:35:29 bitcoinpete: that charlie lee dood is turning out to be a more fucktarded shill than i originally gave him credit for

04:36:09 bitcoinpete: and how is doge still even around? first teh nascar, now this merged-mining noise

04:37:15 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Well, this is Litecoin proposing Doge merged mine and Doge telling litecoin stfu

04:38:14 BingoBoingo: Much as in the past Tenebrix or Fairbrix or shitbrix told Litecoin to stfu

04:38:51 BingoBoingo: This thing is remarkable in how much of a non-story it is... Even for Coindesk

04:39:51 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: coindesk is the morning paper for navel-gazers, this is the morning paper for star-gazers

04:39:54 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-new-morning-paper/

04:40:00 ozbot: The New Morning Paper | When Bitcoin Met Pete

04:40:15 BingoBoingo: Doge miners largely would prolly be cool with merged mining but lack the initiative to hardfork to do it in defiance of their masters. Litecoin minzors ave been screaming hardfork for some time.

04:40:50 bitcoinpete: any idea why litecoin miners wanna fork? first i've heard of it

04:40:59 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: That is why it is remarkable CoinDesk had the editorial insight to bring this up.

04:41:37 BingoBoingo: Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.

04:42:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not quite. ltc is the botnet aficionado's coin.

04:42:18 asciilifeform: at least, traditionally

04:42:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is now.

04:43:08 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: thx for the candy mountain link btw :)0

04:43:30 BingoBoingo: For some time before it was GamerPC coin it was secret GPU mined coin

04:43:39 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Welcome.

04:43:57 BingoBoingo: Much as for some time Bitcoin GPU mining was an NVIDIA thing

04:44:06 BingoBoingo: (three weeks?)

04:57:54 BingoBoingo: Oh, bitcoinpete: http://fraudsters.com/2012/big-rock-candy-mountain/

04:59:29 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: ah ty.

04:59:46 BingoBoingo: Those are the original lyrics

05:00:01 BingoBoingo: But original since 100+ years ago

05:02:49 bitcoinpete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ

05:02:50 ozbot: The Big Rock Candy Mountain - YouTube

05:05:10 BingoBoingo: Does anyone else want to see MP do youth outreach or substitute teaching in East St Louis after http://fraudsters.com/2014/gotta-love-that-negro-speak/

05:05:43 bitcoinpete: youf ootreech

05:06:17 BingoBoingo: Would make a great reality show

05:06:56 bitcoinpete: if his teachings of romanians about land is any indication, i think it'd be a hit

05:07:24 bitcoinpete: found this yesterday: http://vimeo.com/7125141

05:10:01 BingoBoingo: http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/post/15738319521/mr-cody-lemme-borrow-them-monoculars-i-think-i-see

05:10:02 ozbot: Ghetto Hikes | "Mr. Cody, lemme borrow them monoculars, I think I see a pack of bald eagles."

05:10:18 BingoBoingo: I've actually had one of those assholes shit on my car

05:18:52 bitcoinpete: "one of those?"

05:19:16 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Eagle.

05:20:02 bitcoinpete: i was hoping one of the urban kids (of all races)

05:20:42 BingoBoingo: Driving IL-13 by the Big muddy river and softball sized glob of the worst smelling birdshit I had smelled in my life landed on the Windshield

05:23:18 BingoBoingo: Nearest Carwash was in Pickneyville.

05:27:34 BingoBoingo: Eagles are basically fucking sky rats

05:30:02 Mats_cd03: id shit on your windshield

05:30:05 bitcoinpete: I can't stop loling at "deshawns ingredients bag" http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/post/17274822057/imma-sneak-one-dem-tadpoles-in-deshawns-ingredients

05:31:09 BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You wouldn't be the first land bound critter to either

05:32:16 Mats_cd03: i havent touched land in five years

05:32:38 Mats_cd03: i move around exclusively on the back of slaves and in rickshaws

05:33:05 bitcoinpete: mats-haraja

05:33:24 Mats_cd03: the dongraja

05:34:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.055 = 0.22 BTC [+]

05:35:43 Mats_cd03: https://github.com/isislab/Fentanyl useful

05:36:08 Mats_cd03: (IDApython patching script)

05:36:45 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: neato.

05:37:30 asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: things such as these are a good part of my day job.

05:37:44 Mats_cd03: it improves my workflow substantially

05:38:28 Mats_cd03: send a bitcoin tip to the maintainer if its useful in the future

05:39:31 Mats_cd03: (on that subject, is there a github tipbot like there is one for reddit?)

05:40:48 Mats_cd03: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/BitHub

05:41:04 Mats_cd03: lol 25.89USD

05:49:23 Mats_cd03: fentanyl has saved me hours of work already; patching by hand is tricky, and doubly so on archs i'm unfamiliar with

06:01:14 tg2: anybody have compiler expertise?

06:01:32 tg2: like strong understanding of assembly

06:01:53 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: wow

06:02:01 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: I didn't even know I was the subject of a blog post

06:02:02 fluffypony: TIL

06:02:27 bitcoinpete: fluffypony: haha you're internet famous

06:02:30 fluffypony: yeah!

06:02:40 fluffypony: I ended up closing that thread when it was clear it was going nowhere

06:02:46 fluffypony: it seemed like a good idea at the time

06:03:02 fluffypony: but that was ages ago - we ended up making the changes anyway using our access bond

06:03:17 fluffypony: and sold that property 6 months ago when we moved down the coast

06:04:30 bitcoinpete: there you go

06:04:55 fluffypony: also the loan was Dollar-linked, I would never have asked for a BTC loan repayable in the equivalent BTC

06:05:02 fluffypony: that would've been ludicruous

06:05:08 fluffypony: spelling fail

06:05:18 fluffypony: s/ludicruous/ludicrous

06:05:26 bitcoinpete: hey i had a friend who wanted to borrow and repay in btc

06:05:28 bitcoinpete: totally nuts

06:05:30 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/

06:05:38 fluffypony: that is crazy

06:05:41 ozbot: Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete

06:06:08 fluffypony: also I'm in South Africa - the comparisons with the US are nuts, getting a loan here is a vastly different story and at a vastly different interest rate

06:06:29 bitcoinpete: how so?

06:06:43 bitcoinpete: stricter banks?

06:06:48 fluffypony: yeah

06:06:59 fluffypony: there were laws passed due to irresponsible lending

06:07:04 fluffypony: then they tightened EVERYTHING

06:07:11 fluffypony: now they've just been nailed again for irresponsible lending

06:07:33 bitcoinpete: the commonwealth countries are a bit tighter it seems

06:07:57 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191687.msg1988021#msg1988021

06:07:59 ozbot: BTCJam Loan (Home Improvement) - 200 BTC Principle, Re-payable over 6 Months

06:08:08 fluffypony: I mention some of the calculaitons

06:08:11 bitcoinpete: gotta keep things stable-ish so they can haul natural resources out consistently

06:08:20 fluffypony: if we'd gotten a loan

06:08:36 fluffypony: the only thing I got wrong in that thread was the interest rate of drawing it out the access bona

06:08:38 fluffypony: *bond

06:09:06 fluffypony: on that property it was bad, but on one of my other properties that is nearly paid off and just being "topped up" the impact wasn't bad at all

06:09:32 bitcoinpete: a full year ago… how long it's been

06:10:34 fluffypony: yeah I know

06:10:52 Mats_cd03: what a dangerous hedge, wouldn't you say, in hindsight?

06:14:37 fluffypony: Mats_cd03: well yes and no

06:14:53 fluffypony: as a dollar-linked loan I would have come out better than borrowing from a financial institution

06:15:02 fluffypony: the lenders would've come out worse because BTC skyrocketed

06:15:02 bitcoinpete: waddyaknow, that guy on twitter who lost his coins on btcjam today because of the openssl "hack" has the coins "restored from their own pockets." https://twitter.com/Vtechp/status/453756698587435008

06:15:26 bitcoinpete: s/has/had

06:16:00 artifexd: bitcoinpete I'm glad to see you moved the nickserv stuff out of the footnotes and into the post proper in your wot post.

06:16:20 bitcoinpete: artifexd: yup, thx for the tip ;)

06:18:07 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Prolly best to not refer to my GPG guide as a COMPLETE Wot thing until I finish my IRC guide, which should happen in the next two days

06:21:56 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: the weather's too nice for me to change it and change it back in 48 hours :D

06:22:33 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Well on my end it depends on weather as well

06:25:15 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo ok so i found two examples of my calling it "handy," where do you see "complete?"

06:25:51 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Not on ur blog so much as at times in IRC it seems that complete is occasionally implied

06:26:17 bitcoinpete: a ok

06:26:36 fluffypony: ok right, breakfast time, bbiab

06:27:42 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Left to cover is IRC capable software, useful feature, unfeatures to delete, tec

06:27:56 BingoBoingo: Or techcetera

06:28:28 bitcoinpete: looking forward to that

06:41:37 BingoBoingo: http://www.thesitewizard.com/archive/google.shtml

06:41:37 ozbot: thesitewizard.com: Tips on Improving Your Google Search Engine Ranking (Revisited)

06:41:45 BingoBoingo: Sounds about right

06:57:24 cazalla: bitcoinpete: you make me feel less stupid regarding the pronunciation of MP's name

06:59:27 bitcoinpete: cazalla: lol glad to be of assistance. having romanian friends is a useful window into that world.

06:59:50 cazalla: oh i knew before your article, glad to know i wasn't the only one

07:00:50 bitcoinpete: it's not intuitive for anglos, even francos or españos

07:03:00 cazalla: i think i said before but you were not on irc - i enjoy your writing, it's an easier read for me compared to fraudsters, that's not a dig though more a reflection of me dropping out of high school

07:04:29 bitcoinpete: cazalla: well tyvm, i very much appreciate that :D

07:05:26 bitcoinpete: fraudsters hurt my head on-and-off for nearly a year. then it hit me like a shit-ton of bricks

07:06:19 bitcoinpete: glad to see wbmp finding a few early fans

07:06:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00558001 = 0.2065 BTC [-] {2}

07:07:57 cazalla: yeah, i typically google the definition of a few words, i can usually put it together but some of the writing on fraudsters just goes over my head

07:08:21 cazalla: still, learning without feeling like it's an effort is a good thing for me

07:08:49 BingoBoingo: At least fraudsters isn't Kant

07:10:14 Mats_cd03: fluffypony: so you had a btc float equivalent to the size of the loan?

07:11:00 Mats_cd03: (that is, twice the size of the loan)

07:13:01 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: i still need to get to kant. on burke, goethe, machiavelli and beaudelaire now

07:13:49 BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Start with Machiavelli and then Goethe

07:13:50 Mats_cd03: nvm i didnt read the entire thread

07:14:48 bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: just finished the prince 1.5 times through, read of few of goethe's literary essays but that's about it

07:15:23 BingoBoingo: Well there are the discourses on Titus Levy

07:16:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.054999 = 0.165 BTC [-]

07:17:18 bitcoinpete: art of war too, i suppose

07:18:58 bitcoinpete: time for bed, another day of reading logs and other delights tomorrow

07:30:19 BingoBoingo: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6163197/hero-turtle-rescues-upside-down-turtle

07:30:19 ozbot: Hero Turtle Rescues Upside-Down Turtle - CollegeHumor Video

07:31:25 BingoBoingo: http://xkcd.com/1353/

07:31:25 ozbot: xkcd: Heartbleed

07:48:45 BingoBoingo: I wonder how many of these connects/disconnects are attempts at heartbleed probing

07:49:19 Diablo-D3: I think hes just fucking with his irc client

07:49:57 BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: Well, it has been different people

07:50:34 BingoBoingo: I'm just loving this delicious Rye on Rye

07:57:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1260 @ 0.00014999 = 0.189 BTC [+]

08:02:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59999999 BTC [+]

08:06:03 BingoBoingo: Rye bread chips dipped in Rye Beer > Delicious

08:22:59 keonne: benkay: i dont run blockchain.info but I do work there

08:23:26 keonne: truffles: drinking coffee is the least bad thing I do, anyway prove that it is bad for me.

08:24:13 keonne: thestringpuller: i literally just registered in WOT trying to avoid mircea calling me stupid noob :P

08:24:28 jurov: keonne: not a good idea to ask proofs from these paleo zealots

08:25:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20239 @ 0.00096724 = 19.576 BTC [-]

08:26:34 BingoBoingo: keonne: jurov: So many cavemen

08:27:22 keonne: it was a rhetorical request anyhow

08:27:47 keonne: going to smoke and get some coffee. somewhere truffles is crying for my soul .

08:28:00 BingoBoingo: Smoking kicks ass

08:28:05 keonne: agreed

08:28:24 keonne: Makes you look cool as well

08:28:29 keonne: which is extra important for a nerd like me

08:28:44 BingoBoingo: Smoking while drinking coffee with Irish cream is the best.

08:29:35 keonne: mircea_popescu: I didnt realize there was a correlation between dyslexics and esperanto. Maybe something about the rigid structure that appeals. IDK, thats cool though.

08:29:51 keonne: Nothing like fucking a fat chick while blasting Joy Division anyway

08:30:16 keonne: (sorry im responding to yesterdays messages, in case you all think ive gone slightly mad)

08:30:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.58000004 = 5.8 BTC [-] {4}

08:31:52 BingoBoingo: keonne: No, this is how IRC works ideally. You answer Yesterday's messages as you find them. IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is

08:31:54 jurov: nah, happens to sane people too

08:32:27 BingoBoingo: I kind of wonder if Esperanto really has any advantages over... I dunno Spanish

08:34:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68500 @ 0.00096724 = 66.2559 BTC [-]

08:35:02 keonne: BingoBoingo: There are no advantages to learning Esperanto

08:35:25 keonne: however, some studies have been done, that suggest, those who learn esperanto first find it easier to learn other languages later

08:36:12 BingoBoingo: Studies show lots of things

08:36:18 keonne: indeed

08:36:37 BingoBoingo: Anyone know a good way to crush a boil real fast?

08:36:37 keonne: I learned it because the idea of a constructed language intrigued me

08:36:53 keonne: I don't think you're supposed to crush boils

08:37:05 BingoBoingo: keonne: Crush as in defeat.

08:37:09 keonne: oh okay

08:37:32 keonne: no idea, salicylic acid maybe?

08:38:10 BingoBoingo: Too deep, Naproxen generally handles the inflamation on this one. but for a few years this has been a perenial seasonal annoyance.

08:39:19 keonne: mirecea_popescu: I don't know the details precisely, If you want I can ask someone for you. I'm not in a very technical position, and my understanding of these things doesn't go very deep

08:39:47 jurov: keonee you can learn elvish then, too :)

08:39:51 BingoBoingo: keonne: Do you use a blockchain.info wallet yourself?

08:39:52 jurov: Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo

08:40:05 numerisTrade: BingoBoingo: i might be albe to help, if you explain to me what do you mean by 'boil'

08:41:22 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Recurring abscess with sinus in a thick fatty piece of skin

08:42:51 BingoBoingo: jurov: Drunk machine translations fail me in this case

08:43:33 numerisTrade: BingoBoingo: more simple english, please?

08:43:54 jurov: lol BingoBoingo... add tolkien - silmarillion to your queries

08:44:07 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Can't get much more simple without losing precision

08:44:25 numerisTrade: ok, give me a while, then

08:44:29 BingoBoingo: jurov: I enjoy pussy too much to consider adding those terms

08:45:05 jurov: BingoBoingo: applying heated kitchen salt in linen bag *may* help

08:45:11 BingoBoingo: Ah

08:45:20 jurov: ofc not too close if it's very hot :)

08:45:44 BingoBoingo: I'm leaning kinda more towards complete excision.

08:46:16 BingoBoingo: Less saline more solution and more sowing the fields with salt

08:48:00 numerisTrade: BingoBoingo: probably only surgical drain will help

08:48:52 jurov: yes if it's developed... otherwise antibiotic ointment.. but better ask doctor in any case

08:49:48 keonne: BingoBoingo: I do

08:50:03 mircea_popescu: hey all

08:50:07 keonne: hello mircea_popescu

08:50:11 BingoBoingo: keonne: Have you considered alternatives

08:50:26 numerisTrade: hey mircea_popescu

08:50:35 keonne: BingoBoingo: I keep my spending BTC in blockchain wallet, the rest is on a paper wallet printed at home with a piper wallet

08:50:46 BingoBoingo: keonne: You know historically why retirement funds were separated from their sponsoring companies, right?

08:50:46 keonne: I use blockchain.info wallet to just keep track of the paper wallets

08:51:09 keonne: BingoBoingo: I see no reason not to use blockchain.info for day to day spending

08:51:19 keonne: wait

08:51:22 keonne: that sentence sucked

08:51:33 keonne: but you get the gist

08:51:38 BingoBoingo: keonne: Well local software wallets can handle day to day spending without much syncing burden

08:51:42 keonne: i'm open to alternative suggestions

08:51:55 keonne: BingoBoingo: on my android phone?

08:51:55 BingoBoingo: Multibit 0.5.11, but no later

08:52:10 BingoBoingo: keonne: Root it?

08:52:17 keonne: it is rooted

08:52:30 numerisTrade: what about Electrum?

08:52:51 BingoBoingo: numerisTrade: Also not a bad choice

08:52:59 keonne: most of my day to day spending is done in actual shops, so having my spending wallet mobile is pretty important to me

08:53:27 mircea_popescu: also in the news, matonis "definitely not a stooge", as per matonis.

08:53:32 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98939

08:53:33 keonne: besides that I am quite happy keeping my BTC on paper wallet for the time being

08:53:33 ozbot: The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation” pe fraudsters - Un blog d

08:53:37 keonne: lol mircea_popescu

08:53:54 mircea_popescu: keonne they don't make you eat own dogfood at bi-wallet ?

08:54:31 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Matonis is stooge in the original sense, where a stooge is incapable of knowing they are.

08:54:31 keonne: lol no they do not

08:54:42 keonne: BingoBoingo: i dont know about that

08:54:46 mircea_popescu: me either.

08:55:01 mircea_popescu: much unknowns of many flavours in this swamp we live in

08:55:29 mircea_popescu: keonne so how did the correct signature but bad content thing work earlier ?

08:55:53 keonne: no one at bc.i has ever asked what wallet I use. Tehy ask for an address at the end of the month to send me money, and thats all

08:56:17 mircea_popescu: you mean btc. which as we've meanwhile established, isn't money :D

08:56:23 keonne: mircea_popescu: regarding the database thing a couple weeks ago?

08:56:26 keonne: right of course

08:56:28 mircea_popescu: yes.

08:56:30 keonne: unless mr texas gets his way

08:56:44 mircea_popescu: it got a few people, myself included, raising eyebrows

08:57:04 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete apparently http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98938

08:57:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:57:46 keonne: honestly mircea_popescu i have no idea, like i said I am not very technical, and those who are weren't very communicative with us about what actually happened

08:57:53 keonne: i know there is an internal review going on

08:59:10 keonne: afaik no funds were lost EXCEPT on sharedcoin

08:59:16 keonne: and we repaid all those

08:59:39 keonne: I wish I could be of more use

09:00:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I can't stahp reading your negro speak article

09:00:13 keonne: lol these reddit comments

09:00:14 keonne: "No this blogger is known for being a bigot psychopath

09:00:16 keonne: "

09:01:23 mircea_popescu: keonne point is : if block signatures and block contents aren't checked against each other, your design is incredibly weak.

09:01:49 mircea_popescu: dja understand what i mean ? it's not just some random attack, it's any and all attacks this creates undue vulenrability to.

09:01:59 BingoBoingo: ^^

09:02:17 mircea_popescu: so talk to whoever's in charge of doing these things there, and have him give you something that's both a) a good answer and b) that they can make public.

09:02:23 keonne: yes that does sound concerning

09:02:24 mircea_popescu: because this isn't something one shrugs off

09:03:03 BingoBoingo: Is piuk still at Blockchain.info?

09:03:07 keonne: yes

09:03:24 keonne: mircea_popescu: will do

09:04:25 bounce: apropos bank accounts, plenty places it's not a privilege since the government pretty much if not outright requires everyone to receive the bezzle through one of those. easier on the tax man, see.

09:04:46 mircea_popescu: bounce who said a bank account is a privilege lol

09:04:50 bounce: s/tax /tax/

09:05:11 BingoBoingo: bounce: Oh, but the next generation of bezzel includes an alternative

09:05:48 bounce: what, debt bondage cards?

09:06:24 mircea_popescu: you know, i was kinda rooting for the tramp stamp to become rfid govt id.

09:06:40 mircea_popescu: you wanna pay something just buttpress the cashier

09:06:42 keonne: BingoBoingo: that article (negro speak) is brilliant

09:07:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo keonne i must admit tho, it's two hours' work on my part and years on the part of mr cody, the folklorist that collected my base material.

09:07:21 keonne: mircea_popescu: rfid tramp stamp, fake japanese characters and all

09:07:34 BingoBoingo: bounce: the many flavors of prepaid debit cards are the thought

09:07:36 mircea_popescu: well yours can just say "keonne", it's weird enough

09:07:39 keonne: yes I saw it when someone posted it in here... punkman maybe

09:07:46 fluffypony: keonne: I would stay away from MultiBit if you're non-technical; Electrum is deterministic so you backup your wallet by writing down or memorising 12 words, much easier

09:07:51 mircea_popescu: but yeah, the jims and johns of this world will need cuneiform or w/e

09:08:04 bounce: peon cards. places like estonia and iceland are pretty close, others are going there with the "unified" gov't id card; matter of time before banking cards move into it. nobody seems to care that the gov't then owns your entire identity yet that much more, either.

09:08:09 keonne: fluffypony: im technical enough not to be an idiot

09:08:15 keonne: not technical enough to give mircea_popescu an answer

09:08:30 mircea_popescu: he's a semi-tractor-technical.

09:08:49 keonne: quite, lol

09:09:01 fluffypony: keonne: Sure - just pointing it out:) Also, there seems to be an issue with multiple reports of MultiBit generating change addresses but not saving the privkey to the wallet, easy way to lose money

09:09:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know an East StL math teacher that lost half a BTC of mine last year. In short time you can learn a new language.

09:09:10 mircea_popescu: lol

09:09:30 keonne: fluffypony: yeah i read about that, pretty shitty, i don't know that multibit ahs even acknowledged that issue

09:09:40 bounce: half-track technical would be more interesting

09:10:03 BingoBoingo: keonne fluffypony This is why I specify 0.5.11 or earlier recommending Multibit

09:10:06 fluffypony: keonne: Yeah that's the most worrying part. I know that reproducing the issue is hard, but they have a vested interest in figuring it out

09:10:13 keonne: BingoBoingo: i assumed as much

09:10:17 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: Point

09:10:25 mircea_popescu: tbh im kinda surprised teh tradepress isn't howling all about "in january, 'Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive' ; in april, nsa's crown jool is thrown in the dirt of the public space."

09:10:42 mircea_popescu: this is why bitcoin will rule all fiat : those people can't even keep up with the obvious conspiraci theories.

09:11:05 keonne: mircea_popescu: is this your real name?

09:11:09 mircea_popescu: yeah.

09:11:27 keonne: It is a common name in Romania?

09:11:32 mircea_popescu: well the surname is.

09:11:52 BingoBoingo: Firstname is too, the combination isn't too common though

09:11:54 mircea_popescu: the first name isn't quite keonne, but it's a sort of hm.

09:11:57 mircea_popescu: kinda rare.

09:12:01 keonne: When I was 14, I got scammed so hard, trying to buy 100 Motorolla RAZRs from a Mircea Popescu in Romania

09:12:08 mircea_popescu: nowai ?

09:12:11 keonne: for real

09:12:22 mircea_popescu: well that may have not been *his* real name

09:12:23 BingoBoingo: Maybe was the artist?

09:12:31 mircea_popescu: haha the artist is a kid, like 25 or w/e

09:12:37 mircea_popescu: keonne how long ago is being 14 ?

09:12:48 keonne: 11 years

09:13:11 keonne: Maybe I was 15

09:13:26 keonne: I dont remember, but the RAZR was the hottest phone on the market

09:13:53 keonne: And I sold the phones on to people, before I even had them, ended up in some shit, lol...

09:13:54 mircea_popescu: keonne actually, here's a story followed by fun trick :

09:14:30 mircea_popescu: romania uses a bacalaureat thing, you're not an adult until you pass this exam,. coupla years ago the romanian ed ministry refused (cause inept) to publish the list of results online. and so some people hacked their db and i published the results.

09:14:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I assume the artist named you is older than that

09:14:46 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:fraudsters.com rezultate la bacalaureat sesiunea

09:14:47 gribble: Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Mures - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-mures; Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Teleorman ...: http://fraudsters.com/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-teleorman; Iulie 2011 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)

09:14:58 mircea_popescu: so now, theres a list of about 200k kids ?

09:15:13 mircea_popescu: anyone feeling like building a db of name frequency in romania can simply wget and grep and awk that.

09:15:22 keonne: oh wow cool

09:15:30 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: btw I found my blog post today, didn't even realise I was internet famous:) I hope the comment cleared up that I wasn't being entirely retarded at the time!

09:15:44 fluffypony: (Found as it was mentioned her last night when I was asleep)

09:15:46 fluffypony: Here

09:15:48 mircea_popescu: i didn't get to read it yet, because well... i got this endless list of reports to look through yet.

09:15:49 keonne: I suck a grep

09:16:03 keonne: but I could throw together a quick python script probably

09:16:19 fluffypony: Mmmmmm python

09:16:41 keonne: Its okay though. I appreciated that possibly fake mircea popescu - he taught me a good lesson

09:16:42 fluffypony: Every time I try do anything mildly interesting in python I do it in the least pythonic way possible

09:16:44 keonne: at an early age

09:17:08 keonne: mostly, not to use western union for anything ever

09:17:09 mircea_popescu: haha. how much was a motorola razr in the 2000s ?

09:17:18 keonne: I was selling them for 550 USD

09:17:30 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually, i suspect you're right. there may be two of them, an old sculptor guy and a teeny pictor.

09:17:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno the youngun

09:17:56 keonne: I bought 10 of them from Mr. Popescu for around that price

09:18:10 mircea_popescu: http://www.portfolios.ro/popescu

09:18:12 ozbot: Mircea Popescu - artist vizual - Timisoara, Romania

09:18:18 keonne: well, by bought, i mean sent him money via western union

09:18:37 fluffypony: keonne: Ouch

09:18:37 keonne: I bet I still have all the emails

09:18:39 mircea_popescu: lol what are you, from the btctalk forum ?

09:18:58 keonne: lol like i said, a good lesson early on

09:19:09 fluffypony: The internet was a different place then, everyone trusted each other with no real basis for it

09:19:13 mircea_popescu: indeed.

09:19:18 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you're thinking the 90s.

09:19:22 mircea_popescu: that's a different time.

09:19:43 keonne: the 00's i think were the exact opposite

09:19:49 mircea_popescu: pretty much.

09:19:54 keonne: it wasnt about me trusting this dude

09:20:11 keonne: it was me trusting Western Union, and not understanding WTF i was doing

09:20:25 mircea_popescu: ha. sounds exactly by the book.

09:20:40 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Ah I thought this was the 90s

09:20:42 keonne: yes, by the book, hope he ate well, compliments of the stupid american

09:20:46 fluffypony: Brain fail

09:21:11 mircea_popescu: he probably paid some debts, got a coupla girls for a long weekend and that was it.

09:21:31 keonne: good

09:21:38 mircea_popescu: or maybe he saved it and bought lehman stock.

09:21:42 keonne: haha

09:22:21 mircea_popescu: i knew a guy like this, was hysterical. had a bookie biz, old skinny guy, megasmoker, huge glasses

09:22:30 keonne: yup i still have the emails

09:22:36 mircea_popescu: he meticulously avoided mixing "earned" moneys with "bezzled" moneys

09:22:45 keonne: yeah it was through alibaba haha

09:22:52 mircea_popescu: because he believed the latter is much more likely to "go" to similar "business"

09:23:06 mircea_popescu: so whenbever he was putting dough into something dubious he really wanted to succeed, he used the former pile for it.

09:23:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.055 = 0.165 BTC [+]

09:23:30 keonne: very smart

09:23:36 mircea_popescu: beyond nutty.

09:23:40 BingoBoingo: keonne: Actually the opposite

09:23:47 keonne: how?

09:23:51 keonne: what did I miss

09:24:04 mircea_popescu: well perhaps so far gone beyond nutty it wraps back again into smart, who knows.

09:24:11 BingoBoingo: keonne: The defintion of want and the definition of bezzle

09:24:28 mircea_popescu: keonne for one thing, his entire operation was fully illegal from all povs.

09:24:30 mircea_popescu: what "earned".

09:25:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999999 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}

09:25:54 keonne: maybe I just liked him outright because he was a megasmoker

09:26:11 keonne: and a bookie

09:26:19 bounce: now I can't help but wonder if your (nickserv/on connect) passwords aren't vulnerable even if /you/ don't connect via ssl to freenode. since loaded library, probably.

09:26:39 BingoBoingo: keonne: Good bookies are some of the slickest scammzors

09:27:04 BingoBoingo: bounce: Last I checked freenode was still up.down dating server by server

09:27:05 keonne: BingoBoingo: no doubt

09:27:19 fluffypony: bounce: you could possibly only see people identifying on SSL connections if the SSL/non-SSL memory pools don't overlap

09:27:40 fluffypony: In testing against nginx I only ever saw https request data

09:27:43 fluffypony: Never http requests

09:27:52 fluffypony: Apache/lighty may be different

09:28:56 keonne: Address: Gavana 3

09:28:57 keonne: City: Pitesti

09:28:57 keonne: Zip Code: 0300

09:28:58 keonne: Country: Romania

09:29:08 mircea_popescu: keonne they patched the servers yest ish

09:29:15 fluffypony: Send mircea_popescu to break his legs?

09:29:17 fluffypony: :-P

09:29:20 keonne: lol

09:29:45 BingoBoingo: keonne: MP is Timisoara

09:30:07 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum<< once this chan goes +m it'll pretty much be it i guess.

09:30:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00096662 = 28.5153 BTC [-] {3}

09:30:24 keonne: lmao

09:30:29 fluffypony: lol

09:30:39 mircea_popescu: keonne so pastebin teh emails, we have a lol.

09:30:42 fluffypony: I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m

09:30:43 mircea_popescu: or w/e, got a blog ?

09:30:51 mircea_popescu: fluffypony #fraudsters is +m

09:30:56 mircea_popescu: vely sirent.

09:30:57 BingoBoingo: Iremember introducing myself with the IRL name to MP and seeing the hit on my IRL name site from timosoara in minutes

09:31:15 keonne: no blog

09:31:16 fluffypony: Brb

09:31:17 Apocalyptic: <fluffypony> I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m // it was back in the days

09:31:22 mircea_popescu: it was yes.

09:31:34 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: You handled heartbleed yet?

09:31:35 mircea_popescu: ;;voice

09:31:35 gribble: Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-assets,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.

09:31:45 mircea_popescu: stuff's still implemented too.

09:32:25 Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, yes sir, as far as updatings the libs, I'm waiting for the new cert

09:33:09 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Good, I need to keep ATC from spiraling out of control

09:33:16 mircea_popescu: they at 0 yet ?

09:33:26 Apocalyptic: far from it

09:33:26 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic don't you just love this cert business as implemented.

09:33:39 mircea_popescu: fucking burn them down.

09:33:43 Apocalyptic: ^

09:34:09 Apocalyptic: i have a plan to switch to a full mpex-like model

09:34:12 keonne: ;;gpg eauth keonne

09:34:13 gribble: Request successful for user keonne, hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/7EECABD58314C40C

09:34:34 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic at the very least as an interim install a gpg-based method for peole to verify your certs.

09:34:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ATC is still between 0 and 135 Satoshis

09:35:19 BingoBoingo: * 100 and 135 satoshis

09:35:31 bounce: (repaste) http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2014-04/0359.html

09:36:09 keonne: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3ad047e67d7e696a316b00739955313d04c828ce88b9f8ae7ca87ca1

09:36:10 gribble: You are now authenticated for user keonne with key 7EECABD58314C40C

09:37:06 mircea_popescu: bounce indeed.

09:38:46 mircea_popescu: bounce dumped it on twitter. you got a handle there ?

09:39:09 Apocalyptic: nice link bounce

09:39:18 mircea_popescu: zacm yeah they're getting murdered atm.

09:40:11 BingoBoingo: Theo could use a support harem

09:40:14 mircea_popescu: "decimation: the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army" << forget goldman. their alleged senior counsel fared very poorly when compared to mpex' lawyers.

09:40:28 keonne: haha

09:41:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform punkman that is a car that was sideswiped into a pole by a large truck.

09:41:21 BingoBoingo: So. In 10 years MP buys reddit and maps their urls onto DTNG pr0ns?

09:41:25 mircea_popescu: driver mostly innocent if at all present (unlikely)

09:41:51 keonne: is there a pic?

09:42:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i would hope to not be as senile as ted turner was in 10 years.

09:42:10 mircea_popescu: keonne http://wehadnoidea.tumblr.com/post/80908326562

09:42:22 keonne: ooof

09:42:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ted Turner did those things for what he imagined was a reason. I imagine you would have a better reason, butthurt.

09:43:05 mircea_popescu: haha hardly.

09:43:06 BingoBoingo: I mean Digg sold for what, 200k?

09:43:17 keonne: lol digg

09:43:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not your posessing, but your inflicting

09:43:40 mircea_popescu: digg was a big thing back in the day

09:43:45 keonne: it sure was

09:43:48 mircea_popescu: reddit never was tbh.

09:43:52 keonne: yep

09:44:03 keonne: reddit was like diggs ugly step sister

09:44:10 mircea_popescu: i mean, sure slashdot sucks today, but one day it was a big thing. meanwhile 9gag or baumwhatever never were big things

09:44:19 BingoBoingo: reddit is like 4Chainz without pr0nz

09:44:21 mircea_popescu: what was that thing called

09:44:29 BingoBoingo: Ebaums

09:44:30 keonne: ebaumsworld

09:44:45 mircea_popescu: a yes!

09:45:18 keonne: BingoBoingo: there is plenty of pr0nz on reddit

09:45:39 bounce: don't link me, and no I don't have a twittar

09:45:52 mircea_popescu: aok.

09:45:53 keonne: /r/dirtysmall being a personal favourite

09:45:56 Naphex: morning

09:46:38 bounce: actually michelem in #freebsd

09:47:00 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem.

09:47:12 mircea_popescu: we kinda need a pki replacement standard.

09:47:25 BingoBoingo: So much so

09:47:56 BingoBoingo: Really a Python, LISP or C for retards readable imlementation

09:48:08 bounce: let's start with the type of model we'd like there. hierarchical is "natural" for over-enthousiastic devs but doesn't work all that well in practice.

09:48:24 Naphex: there is PolarSSL and CySSL

09:48:30 Naphex: but more aimed for embedded work

09:48:51 BingoBoingo: Naphex: Explain

09:48:55 bounce: a WoT thingy makes more sense, but is harder to work with and harder to understand

09:48:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more than semiconductor chemistry i'd say. lynn conway wasn't 40 years ago was she ?

09:49:43 mircea_popescu: bounce the traditional wisdom used to be that (booklength spec + half line user manual) beats (one page spc + one page user manual), because you do the book once and then the millions of users are saved a million pages.

09:49:51 mircea_popescu: this is inspiured by ... ford t pretty much

09:50:06 samson_: PolarSSL is perfect for all sorts of platforms, Windows, Linux and MacOS included

09:50:10 mircea_popescu: yet i suspect we're getting to a point where it's actually becoming false, and nobody has the oversight to call it.

09:50:22 mircea_popescu: samson_ who makes it ?

09:50:33 samson_: polarssl.org

09:50:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00579967 = 0.2436 BTC [+] {4}

09:50:48 Naphex: used in openvpn and cyassl was/is used in mysql

09:50:55 mircea_popescu: ah ah

09:51:14 Naphex: Polar has dual license while cyassl is gpl

09:51:20 samson_: The picocoin project is being forked to use it

09:51:32 bounce: hmm. well, there is a good incentive to conciseness (see EWD1300, at least first two paragraphs) but "the GUI beliefs" overshot it in a grand way, sort-of coming out the other way

09:51:42 Naphex: i have used both in some embedded work, when something lighter then openssl was needed.

09:51:53 samson_: They only added EC in PolarSSL recently

09:51:54 bounce: s/incentive/rationale/ really, the incentive is a bit lacking

09:52:03 mircea_popescu: bounce this is true.

09:52:06 BingoBoingo: Lighter for lighter's sake isn't really the aim though

09:52:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is when i dress...

09:52:44 bounce: the "TL;DR" thing is a nice misunderstanding, by the by. don't put summaries at the bottom, where I find'em after I read the article.

09:53:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That rationale for dressing fails at higher latitudes though to the reality of cold.

09:53:15 mircea_popescu: i guess so.

09:53:36 bounce: "oh yeah I coulda said dis in one line but I only thought about it now" -- no real copyediting going on.

09:53:57 mircea_popescu: bounce you have to understand the us mentality, as aptly described by al pacino in devil's advocate.

09:54:11 mircea_popescu: they WANT to scroll past the text in order to get to feel bad about how they're not reading it.

09:54:16 BingoBoingo: Prolly fails the most in one of my favorite James Bond flicks when Felix Ligheter for Lighter's sake gets chewed by a shark

09:54:19 mircea_popescu: puritan mental issues.

09:54:40 bounce: heh. derpage in a can.

09:55:01 mircea_popescu: it's a thing tho. your average "man's rights" dood on a forum somewhere is only happy in an "unhappy" marriage.

09:55:08 mircea_popescu: that sort of contorted, psycho stuff.

09:55:34 BingoBoingo: I want to do a post on Donnie Darko and Popular American Calvinism, but I just can't get myself drunk enough to write it.

09:56:04 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/453832612768145408

09:56:05 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: #JokeBleed of the day : "Openssl ...

09:56:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i should send you a bottle of this here cognac

09:56:30 mircea_popescu: it passes the morning after test

09:57:15 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I like cognac. I'd have to get cigarettes that aren't menthols, but I like that family of liquors.

09:57:41 mircea_popescu: sadly these idiots have gotten it to where i can't send you a bottle.

09:57:53 mircea_popescu: fuck da man, srsly.

09:58:30 BingoBoingo: Really, I mean I can literally order a liter of vancomycin concentrate on the jsutification that I have an itch. Fuck the man.

09:58:44 bounce: happy to be unhappy neatly glosses over the sad state of consumerist computing where the app is supposed to do the thinking, since to you it's supposed to be "intuitive", thus "no training needed" and thus we have large swathes of functionally illiterate people pushing buttons

09:59:08 bounce: funny how that keeps on biting

09:59:22 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves of course you don't use tor unless you're doing something illegal. EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO IS ILLEGAL!

09:59:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:59:36 mircea_popescu: then the people who think try and insulate themselves, and this is how thinking became a crime in the us

09:59:40 mircea_popescu: and in the soviet union before that,

10:00:09 BingoBoingo: I liek how allegedly the msot illegal thing I have done in my like was supposedly making a fucking phone call

10:01:02 mircea_popescu: consider this illustrative piece : http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html

10:01:11 mircea_popescu: "We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."

10:01:41 mircea_popescu: so basically the ad baculum argument reduces to "he knew we have the stick, therefore he should get the stick"

10:01:57 mircea_popescu: then people wonder why and wherefore it's game over. well who the fuck would want to play with you!?

10:02:00 BingoBoingo: I raise you http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html

10:02:22 mircea_popescu: ya lol.

10:02:51 BingoBoingo: Maybe we can improve on a topic raised on Goat's forum?

10:02:57 mircea_popescu: "it was found" derp. i dunno wtf land of the free you live in, i went to scvhool in communist romania. yet a teacher'd not have dared go through your bag.

10:03:38 BingoBoingo: Yeah

10:03:57 BingoBoingo: Back in the day wouldn't have been dared here

10:04:10 BingoBoingo: But nao that Ibuprofen has been a drug for so long

10:04:36 mircea_popescu: i guess may account for why putin "doens't understand how the world works".

10:05:11 mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder what % of the us agency agents are actually drug free. not pretend-free, not pass the test free, but actually, as a lifestyle.

10:05:23 mircea_popescu: afaik the fsb still by and large is.

10:06:40 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo isn't 54 a little young to die ?

10:06:41 BingoBoingo: For small sample sizes I can gather, in the US the actual drug free figures are small

10:07:04 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Eh, UW only was one year short of my pappy

10:08:05 mircea_popescu: this sounds like the fucking pleistocene all oer again.

10:08:40 BingoBoingo: My hypothesis on why Putin can't understant how the world works though is that the world just doesn't work because it has no benefit from doing so.

10:08:57 BingoBoingo: The world just is.

10:09:39 BingoBoingo: No matter who or what slaps it on the ass the world can just persist in being.

10:09:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it was obviously a jab at a roomfull of potheads telling the sober guy that "he doesn't understand how the pretty colors work"

10:09:44 mircea_popescu: well duh. they ain't there.

10:10:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the US in any niche there is always a puritain contingent of some pretending to bees. Generally the higher in any gov niche the more they dominate.

10:11:22 mircea_popescu: aha

10:11:53 BingoBoingo: I've only met one person who worked at DISA though and they were shipped to London after racking up more DUIs int he states than Mr Bond himself.

10:12:25 mircea_popescu: lol

10:12:55 BingoBoingo: The Robert Hansen puritain to a fault type though at the higher levels of government security organizations is not that rare in the US though.

10:13:12 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: and how is doge still even around? first teh nascar, now this merged-mining noise << it's only "still around" in the sense of noise. like you know, the dead aren't really dead if you remember them :D

10:14:44 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete it's even been announced, some fork. basically they want to fork it because htey perceive they should be given more of this world than the ycan take by themselves, for themselves, and they perceive it's unfair that just as soon as an algo of division is established, better people get more than them.

10:14:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:14:53 BingoBoingo: This transition in the US really was a big thing between Pershing and Lyndon Johnson

10:15:04 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete and so they want to just keep changing the algos and dream on.

10:15:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:15:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.

10:15:51 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1774954/plain/)

10:15:51 mircea_popescu: !b 1

10:16:06 BingoBoingo: Essentially J E Hoover was more damaging to the US than Brezhnev could have ever been to the Soviet republics

10:17:00 mircea_popescu: i dun know brejnev was all that bad, economically at least.

10:17:03 mircea_popescu: kinda nil politically.

10:17:55 BingoBoingo: I the US the Hooverites paited him as the devil, worse than Castro, but he gave Russia its booze back.

10:18:09 BingoBoingo: So I can't complain.

10:19:23 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I showed my wife that blog post

10:19:29 fluffypony: She was laughing

10:19:38 fluffypony: She says hi: http://i.imgur.com/w6yiSSd.jpg

10:19:49 BingoBoingo: However the Hoover lives on in US 3 letter culture in that alcohol is more poisonous to many of those factions than coke (which the CIA loves for obvious reasons)

10:21:27 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Easier to tell her to submit http://fraudsters.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/

10:21:54 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: LOL

10:22:07 fluffypony: That was NSFL

10:22:32 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I think that picture popularized that acronym

10:24:11 mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://fraudsters.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98941 that, basically.

10:24:24 mircea_popescu: lmao

10:24:44 mircea_popescu: i guess i'm blogging this.

10:25:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0550002 = 0.605 BTC [+]

10:25:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}

10:25:16 fluffypony: Heh heh

10:25:21 BingoBoingo: The Buttcoiner mentality critiqued long ago by someone else

10:25:24 BingoBoingo: http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/thesks.htm

10:26:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05500023 = 0.22 BTC [+]

10:26:46 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ok but as mentioned in the original post, the issue was not solvency or collateral - it was a brief experiment to see if I could get a secured loan at a better rate than I could locally

10:27:06 mircea_popescu: you know there's a guy who tried this in 2012 for similar reasons ?

10:27:19 mircea_popescu: he got really buttreamed, but he did pay off afaik, and one of the few to do so.

10:27:38 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: What was his collateral though? And did eh link it to the usd price?

10:28:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00561522 = 0.3762 BTC [-] {5}

10:28:29 mircea_popescu: he did not, no. mostly because nobody in btc would accept such a deal.

10:28:40 fluffypony: Yeah I get that

10:28:47 fluffypony: I was...more naive then

10:28:51 fluffypony: Not that I'm not naive now

10:28:57 fluffypony: But hopefully a little less

10:29:52 mircea_popescu: way it works.

10:30:36 fluffypony: Yeah it was an excellent lesson in the dynamics of bitcoin and of the community

10:31:32 keonne: fluffypony: props to not being a butthurt bitch in the comments

10:32:28 mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://fraudsters.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/

10:32:45 fluffypony: keonne: Meh, it was a year ago, and I can understand mircea_popescu not noticing the USD linked loan

10:33:10 mircea_popescu: i did notice it. i discarded it, too, cause who the hell is giving you a fiat loan.

10:33:30 keonne: ok, off for a bit, cheers

10:33:47 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Btc jam had the option, I figured it wasn't unheard of for loans with a term of more than like 2 weeks

10:33:55 fluffypony: Otherwise it's just asking for trouble

10:34:06 mircea_popescu: but anyway, as kman says, props for not being a butthurt bitch.

10:34:16 fluffypony: No worries

10:34:17 keonne: sand. kofte, cigarettes, and coffee, somewhere truffles is dying inside do to my lack of healthly activities

10:34:23 keonne: kman - hah my dad calls me that

10:34:39 keonne: *due

10:34:47 mircea_popescu: keonne it's what seinfeld called kramer, too :D

10:34:53 fluffypony: keonne: Coffee is awesome, I refuse to believe it has any negative affect on my health :-P

10:35:04 keonne: mircea_popescu: you keep getting better and better

10:35:06 mircea_popescu: nothing has a negative effect on your health in moderate amts.

10:35:10 mircea_popescu: otherwise, fucking kills.

10:35:10 BingoBoingo: keonne: Truffles is basically Diablo-D3 but somehow less crazy and slow

10:35:19 keonne: you're my favourite pschyopathic bigot

10:35:36 Diablo-D3: BingoBoingo: truffles runs a large company and writes foss in his spare time?

10:35:39 keonne: lol BingoBoingo

10:36:01 BingoBoingo: Diablo-D3: I dunno, have you ever made peace with bread yet?

10:36:03 keonne: moderation and I.... eh

10:36:04 mircea_popescu: keonne http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4

10:36:12 fluffypony: Ok lunch time, bbl

10:36:28 keonne: lol!

10:36:49 Diablo-D3: BingoBoingo: thats like asking if I've made peace with fossil fuels

10:36:54 Diablo-D3: its a nonsensical statement

10:37:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.055 = 0.825 BTC [-]

10:37:34 mircea_popescu: actually my baguette has some charcoal embedded in it ;/

10:37:42 mircea_popescu: mebbe Diablo-D3 has a point there...

10:38:08 BingoBoingo: Fossil fuels make my Saturn go and don't give me any trouble.

10:38:18 mircea_popescu: wait you drive a saturn ?

10:38:27 mircea_popescu: the exact car i'd have imagined.

10:38:38 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: yeah, family sedan. gets zero unwanted attention

10:44:01 dexX7: hey i'm still thinking about the heartbleed stuff and was wondering: how could one - in theory - do something nefarious with this? user sessions aside, but what else is flying around there?

10:44:43 mircea_popescu: if you get the server's keys you can a)impersonate the server and b) decrypt all its traffic, thaty you previously stored.

10:45:51 BingoBoingo: Pretty much this is the worst of all cases that the mainstream security community would have supposed

10:45:56 dexX7: so this would be great for phishing for example?

10:46:08 BingoBoingo: Or Spear Phishing

10:46:16 BingoBoingo: Or DNS hijacking

10:46:43 dexX7: but the server's private key is usually not exchanged, i think?

10:46:51 BingoBoingo: Or just running a high traffic router and scooping up ciphertext

10:46:58 mircea_popescu: dexX7 for anything.

10:47:05 BingoBoingo: dexX7: Heartbleed extracts that key

10:47:08 mircea_popescu: dexX7 but it has to be in memory.

10:48:07 mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're looking for more of a perspective thing : this is without a doubt the largest vulnerability ever reported in the history of vulnerabilities.

10:48:08 dexX7: hm right. to encrypt something, you'd need the key, therefore it's somewhere

10:48:10 mircea_popescu: bar none, nothing comes close.

10:48:43 mircea_popescu: it's larger than the cookie monster, and that thing had the advantage of there only being about 50 computers total.

10:49:33 BingoBoingo: dexX7: This allows extracting privates, so it allows Decrypting

10:49:49 dexX7: how likely is it such a flaw is implemented by accident?

10:50:38 dexX7: or rephrased: was it placed there to be exploited by some party?

10:50:45 mircea_popescu: how likely is it that you're really my wife and are currently pregnant with twin bald eagles ?

10:51:07 BingoBoingo: How often does the sun just stop fusion for a few minutes to catch a breath

10:52:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo funny factoid : the sun fusion is not unlike mining. it could in principle be the case a finite interval goes without any emission.

10:52:35 mircea_popescu: not likely obviously

10:52:50 mircea_popescu: but hence the solar cycles etc.

10:53:57 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, of course the possibility exists that the sun stops totally for a measurable period of time, but...

10:54:04 mircea_popescu: mhm.

10:54:06 BingoBoingo: Like mining... How often actually

10:55:49 dexX7: hehe.. no i mean.. people make errors, that's for sure, but sometimes one would say "you'd need to be very, very stupid, do to an error of this kind and it's likely no one sane would ever do something like this". and i'm wondering, if this is the case here

10:56:36 mircea_popescu: this is an implant not an error. at what level in the process the implanting starts and cluelessness takes over is still unclear.

10:56:49 mircea_popescu: the implanting ends*

10:58:58 BingoBoingo: dexX7: Basically if your were stupid enough to err this way, you were to stupid to concieve of this way to err

10:59:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05395116 = 0.6474 BTC [-] {3}

11:00:26 Naphex: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/ for those who still remember

11:00:27 ozbot: The Linux Backdoor Attempt of 2003

11:00:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05395001 = 0.1619 BTC [-] {2}

11:00:54 mircea_popescu: Naphex indeed.

11:02:16 Naphex: and some of the scheiner warnings https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html

11:04:12 BingoBoingo: People stumbling into the superiority of mutual betting https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ratings-for-all-the-bitcoin-sports-books.252942/page-26#post-5839153

11:04:15 mircea_popescu: the good old == vs = bug :D

11:04:41 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol. i hope they make a name for it and put it in wikipedia. something like a DAB, or something.

11:04:46 mircea_popescu: maybe DUMB

11:05:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is just amazing how much justification goes on to deny the self is being swindled

11:05:41 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

11:05:55 mircea_popescu: people like it in the butt, what.

11:06:00 mircea_popescu: if they didn't it'd have long disappeared.

11:06:16 Naphex: haha

11:07:13 BingoBoingo: Explains the longevity of the Bitcoin Foundation, though the low rate of activity there is telling

11:07:51 mircea_popescu: i would say the same thing explains the longevbity of the thing as explains the longevity of soviet satellites : they're still in orbit.

11:08:00 mircea_popescu: they don't work, but unless we build a huge broom somehow...

11:09:25 BingoBoingo: Purity though Transnidstria is nao b est Soviet

11:12:54 BingoBoingo: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--VaaBMIhp--/c_fit,w_320/671443921815989424.png

11:18:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 51 @ 0.049 = 2.499 BTC [+]

11:18:35 BingoBoingo: "Besides, if Silicon Valley can proselytize about cloud country and dividing California into six pieces, why can't their political enemies engage in similar flights of fancy about the world as it currently exists? " << They can't

11:19:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.03491701 = 2.0252 BTC [+] {5}

11:19:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.049 = 0.343 BTC [+]

11:32:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0549998 = 0.11 BTC [+]

11:33:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499999 = 0.175 BTC [+] {3}

11:34:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499999 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2}

11:38:46 BingoBoingo: So... where is truffles

11:41:21 BingoBoingo: http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/192771

11:41:22 ozbot: Login

11:42:27 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell truffles Let us try this fantasy baseball thing head to head

11:42:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:43:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03549999 = 0.497 BTC [+] {2}

11:43:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0485 = 0.679 BTC [-] {2}

11:45:04 BingoBoingo: I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?

11:56:30 fluffypony: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963

11:56:30 ozbot: Gmane -- Re: FYA: http: heartbleed.com

11:56:33 fluffypony: Fail by design

11:56:39 fluffypony: Go OpenSSL

12:01:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]

12:03:48 mircea_popescu: yeah was in the log earlier.

12:03:53 mircea_popescu: fluffypony so where in sa do you live ?

12:04:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999999 = 1.8 BTC [-]

12:07:13 keonne: saturns never dent man, good stuff

12:07:20 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how'd that work ?!

12:07:39 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: WHich thing?

12:07:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.055 = 0.385 BTC [+]

12:08:01 mircea_popescu: "I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?"

12:08:06 mircea_popescu: but meanwhile i figured it out :)

12:08:37 BingoBoingo: Oh, yahoo is password weak because heartbleed. Figured I'd offer something on Yahoo for people to sign up for

12:08:52 BingoBoingo: Since no reason to use yahoo for anything of import at all

12:08:57 mircea_popescu: ever a good bingoboingotan

12:09:35 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Plettenberg Bay, along the Garden Route

12:09:40 fluffypony: used to be in Cape Town

12:10:04 mircea_popescu: " IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is" << actually, it's ... multisyncronous. pretty much the only mental space that readily comprehends irc flow is the sort that spent a lot of time doing debugger stepping.

12:10:20 mircea_popescu: fluffypony is rape quite so bad there as they say ?

12:10:51 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, you can't minimise it, but it's a problem in the townships and villages and not so much in the suburbs

12:11:03 mircea_popescu: aha

12:11:16 fluffypony: but traditionally speaking women are not viewed as equals, so the men can just do whatever they want

12:11:25 joecool: hmm, doesn't openssl also have weird licensing that would prevent a fork?

12:11:29 mircea_popescu: so not exactly a race thing as much as a gender thing ?

12:11:35 mircea_popescu: joecool not at all.

12:11:40 Naphex: lol

12:11:45 mircea_popescu: just a huge workload for very little pay that prevents a fork.

12:12:05 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: both Afrikaaners (white) and native South Africans (black) have a similar view of women

12:12:13 fluffypony: although culturally that view developed independently of the other

12:12:24 mircea_popescu: well most people alive, or historically existing had the same view.

12:12:58 fluffypony: the younger generation is better with that

12:13:28 mircea_popescu: well "women" in the traditional sense hardly exist in the newer generation. it's pretty much a genderless soup

12:13:41 mircea_popescu: kinda have my doubts of this weird construct's chances of survival, but we see.

12:13:42 fluffypony: true

12:14:08 fluffypony: the problem is that the women-as-sex-objects view among native African males leads to some weird crap

12:14:25 joecool: ah, yeah just looked it up, it has the advertising clause that makes it incompatible with GPL without an exemption

12:14:52 mircea_popescu: well yes but iirc it was bsd licensed

12:15:25 fluffypony: like a complete disregard for logic when it comes to "rape a baby as a cure for AIDs"

12:15:44 fluffypony: because women + babies aren't = men

12:16:26 mircea_popescu: well, that part can even be set aside. raping babies does not actually cure aids.

12:17:24 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yep, but the idea persists

12:17:28 fluffypony: meh

12:17:38 fluffypony: anywhere you live you compromise

12:17:55 mircea_popescu: yes, inasmuch as embodiment is an imposition.

12:18:01 fluffypony: here it's crime + economy

12:18:12 fluffypony: in the US it's terrorism + natural disasters + the NSA

12:18:13 mircea_popescu: which goes back to my original genderless soup comment : they're not better about the problems, they just avoid them more.

12:18:16 mircea_popescu: ipad ftw.

12:18:18 fluffypony: yep agreed

12:19:32 mircea_popescu: actually, if anyone cares to explore this topic, i've wtf'd my foreign slaves with "filantropica", a romanian movie of the 90s. pretty much a slice of life, could as well be a documentary.

12:19:51 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what do you use for IRC on the iPad? Colloquy?

12:20:17 mircea_popescu: i never used an ipad.

12:22:53 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: oh I misunderstood the "ipad ftw." comment

12:23:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0356 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2}

12:26:13 fluffypony: HeySteve: stay

12:34:12 keonne: Filantropica

12:34:21 keonne: just saving in buffer for later retrieval

12:39:48 keonne: mircea_popescu: when watching that film, how much of it is still relevant to Romania today

12:40:14 mircea_popescu: not much. romania changes incredibly fast, it's almost azn.

12:40:56 keonne: Okay

12:41:21 keonne: I believe I am visiting Romania this year, I'm looking forward to it very much

12:41:59 keonne: Mostly because I have no idea what to expect

12:47:08 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/filantropica/

12:47:08 ozbot: Filantropica pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

12:47:16 mircea_popescu: here, i gave up trying to post the shit in irc, made a blogpost instead.

12:47:40 mircea_popescu: keonne you can always ask teh people after the conference.

12:48:37 fluffypony: who's going to the Crypto Currency Convention in NY?

12:48:52 fluffypony: we're at the VertCoin stand, so you can go look at our stuff in person

12:52:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0485 = 0.194 BTC [-]

12:52:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]

12:56:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00550753 = 0.7711 BTC [-] {7}

13:00:02 MisterE: mircea_popescu: is that a Romanian name?

13:00:12 MisterE: sounds very French to my Yankee ears

13:01:12 MisterE: the pronunciation nags at me heh

13:01:57 jurov: romanian lang is close to french

13:02:57 MisterE: ahh ok

13:04:09 mircea_popescu: absolutely romanian.

13:04:19 mircea_popescu: doth not exist in any other language. except, of course.... murican.

13:04:27 mircea_popescu: ;;google site:fraudsters.com mircea mircea monroe.

13:04:28 gribble: I was right, you were wrong. Again. Feel the burn. pe fraudsters - Un ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/i-was-right-you-were-wrong-again-feel-the-burn/; Decembrie 2010 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2010/12; Oda Superbiei pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/oda-superbiei/

13:04:35 mircea_popescu: holy shit google.

13:04:52 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2010/mircea-mircea-monroe/

13:04:53 ozbot: Mircea. Mircea Monroe. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

13:11:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.60579927 = 12.116 BTC [+] {7}

13:12:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.60940909 = 6.7035 BTC [+] {3}

13:27:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0558798 = 0.5029 BTC [-]

13:29:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.00566999 = 0.4082 BTC [-] {2}

13:45:49 adolf_fishler: test

13:46:28 jurov: adolf_fishler: test failed

13:46:30 adolf_fishler: terrible

13:46:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.01499915 = 0.255 BTC [-] {3}

13:47:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 28 @ 0.01137115 = 0.3184 BTC [-] {4}

13:47:56 blackwhite: morning gents

13:48:26 adolf_fishler: morning blacky

13:48:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 39 @ 0.01 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2}

13:48:38 jurov: evening

13:50:54 fluffypony: mid-afternoon

13:55:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00096731 = 29.7931 BTC [+]

13:59:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 616 @ 0.00039999 = 0.2464 BTC [+]

14:02:46 Musk: for the love of dumplings.

14:05:38 robwhiz22: Hi.

14:06:15 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, are you around?

14:07:15 BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: His name autocompleted, so he'll prolly see what you type

14:09:49 robwhiz22: BingoBoingo: thank you. He told me to talk with him here.

14:09:57 robwhiz22: BingoBoingo: I'll try later and see if he's on.

14:10:55 Musk: Guest15829 so hows the weather? :3

14:10:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00577999 = 0.578 BTC [+] {3}

14:11:16 Musk: Guest12166 so hows the weather? :3

14:15:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00075 = 0.75 BTC [-] {2}

14:22:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05503333 = 0.6604 BTC [-] {2}

14:24:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 28 @ 0.08299776 = 2.3239 BTC [-]

14:30:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05494999 = 0.1099 BTC [-] {2}

14:33:56 MisterE: http://packetstormsecurity.com/files/126068/Heartbleed-Honeypot-Script.html

14:33:56 ozbot: Heartbleed Honeypot Script ≈ Packet Storm

14:34:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0359999 = 0.144 BTC [+]

14:34:20 MisterE: Guest76571: hows the weather?

14:42:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0558799 = 0.447 BTC [+] {2}

14:45:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.036 = 0.108 BTC [+]

15:10:40 mike_c: BingoBoingo: thank you. that easter link made my day. hilarious :D

15:10:55 mike_c: "Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight."

15:11:43 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

15:11:43 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096731 BTC [+]

15:11:52 thestringpuller: !ticker

15:11:52 assbot: Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?

15:11:57 thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

15:11:58 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096539 / 0.00099169 / 0.00101 (443278 shares, 439.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00093983 / 0.00097277 / 0.00101 (4331512 shares, 4,213.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00079084 / 0.00089908 / 0.00101 (27459171 shares, 24,688.04 BTC)

15:12:53 danielpbarron: :<

15:13:55 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

15:14:03 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.2, vol: 7535.31056283 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 444.392, vol: 6096.24982 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.403, vol: 3697.25441944 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 463.0, vol: 46.73166148 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 442.366863, vol: 2069.06200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 1.84923361 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.126, vol: 55.37423946 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

15:14:13 BingoBoingo: ;;more drama

15:14:14 gribble: Error: I haven't seen drama.

15:15:11 jurov: lol gribble.. "no drama here, move on"

15:18:28 pLambert: has s.mpoe paid dividends this month yet?

15:18:38 thestringpuller: no sir

15:18:49 pLambert: is it going to?

15:18:56 thestringpuller: why wouldn't it?

15:19:11 pLambert: just wondering, the report came out a few days ago ...

15:19:29 thestringpuller: so did bitbet but it hasn't paid yet either

15:19:32 thestringpuller: patience :P

15:19:48 pLambert: I don't have time for patience!

15:20:08 mike_c: hm, it is later than usual. mp must be busy.

15:20:26 thestringpuller: with a conference in 2 weeks I'd hope he's busy :P

15:20:40 jurov: he every month either forgets or makes a mistake

15:21:23 mike_c: i vote for mpoe-pr as mpoe-accountant

15:21:26 jurov: the payout must involve truly heroic effort

15:22:08 pLambert: do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?

15:22:15 mike_c: maybe his piper wallet is out of printer paper

15:22:16 Guest12166: maybe this time he wants to get it right!

15:24:02 jurov: i propose delayed divs to be compounded by MPBOR >:-]

15:26:45 Shakespeare: why, shareholders would just owe it next month ;)

15:26:58 benkay: pLambert: ms. whet?

15:27:35 benkay: (e)Mircea Popescu solemnly promises and warrants that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each Reporting Month will be published by him no later than by the fifth day of the new month. Under exceptional circumstances and for good cause the publishing of the Statements of Profit and Loss can be deferred no more than once in a calendar year so that the Statement of Profit and Loss of one month is published together

15:27:39 benkay: with the Statement of Profit and Loss of the next month.

15:27:40 pLambert: benkay: what?

15:27:42 benkay:

15:27:46 benkay: (f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss MPOE/MPEx will pay to shareholders as dividends a fraction of no less than 100% (one hundred percent) of the Net Profits, if any.

15:28:07 benkay: <pLambert> do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?

15:28:09 jurov: pLambert: her blog is named The Whet

15:28:19 pLambert: she has a blog?

15:28:31 benkay: ;;google whet shall be delivered

15:28:51 gribble: Shall be Delivered | The Whet: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/; Chatper 14 - Wheat Futures - CME Group: http://www.cmegroup.com/rulebook/CBOT/II/14/14.pdf; Chapter 14B - Mini-Sized Wheat Futures - CME Group: http://www.cmegroup.com/rulebook/CBOT/II/14B/14B.pdf

15:29:03 pLambert: how immediately is immediately in this case?

15:29:23 mike_c: i had this thought last night. if i was the nsa, and i had injected this awesome new backdoor into 1.0.1f, and i was really anxious for everyone to upgrade right now.. I would publicize my outdated backdoor called heartbleed.

15:29:55 benkay: pLambert: i suppose that's for His Busyness to determine, eh? not us plebs...

15:30:13 pLambert: mike_c: is it open source?

15:30:16 Mats_cd03: and the part where thousands of eyes have suddenly started running diffs against repos?

15:30:22 mike_c: pLambert: openssl? yes.

15:30:33 Mats_cd03: too many layers. do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars

15:30:42 benkay: mircea_popescu:BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem. << http://golang.org/pkg/crypto/tls/, seems to be about 8kloc

15:30:57 benkay: asciilifeform, mike_c, decimation, everyone else interested in ssl

15:31:19 mike_c: isn't 'thousands of eyes' always the flawed argument why open source software is safe?

15:32:05 benkay: mike_c: kinda falls down when the eyes/kloc gets too small, or the l' of c are unreadable.

15:32:17 benkay: (l's)

15:32:24 jurov: djb just threw it all out and made his own from the ground up

15:32:59 Shakespeare: benkay, the issue (and likely reality) I see with your NSA theory is that it would echo to all versions ever

15:33:07 mike_c: visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway.

15:33:53 benkay: my NSA theory?

15:33:59 benkay: Shakespeare: is that you, TaT?

15:34:13 Apocalyptic: probably

15:34:51 Mats_cd03: is

15:35:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00096731 = 20.7004 BTC [+]

15:36:06 Shakespeare: yes

15:36:25 Shakespeare: just keep forgetting to unlock my name in 30secs

15:36:30 Shakespeare: and I like this name too

15:37:07 benkay: bounce: re "intuitive" computing: i build this shit all day and only occasionally hate my life. the only time it makes sense to me is when it's not so much a bit of software (software nominally empowering humans to do things they could not before) but a tool (in the sense of a hammer, used to do a specific thing).

15:37:43 benkay: case in point, a 2fa app for these fine gents: http://www.tozny.com/

15:37:54 benkay: does one thing, and that well.

15:38:09 Apocalyptic: "We have four premium 'BRANDABLE' Crypto Coin niche domains for sale at

15:38:09 Apocalyptic: bargain pricing that I thought you guys would like to know about as they

15:38:09 Apocalyptic: are all within your industry and are extremely valuable beyond our prices"

15:38:19 benkay: (sneak peek everyone: soon to announce having performed actual crypto audit and implemented fixes!)

15:38:31 Apocalyptic: seriously what kind of spam I get.. moreover the domains are shitty

15:40:33 thestringpuller: benkay: pm

15:41:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.055899 = 0.559 BTC [+]

15:42:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05589998 = 0.3913 BTC [+]

15:42:29 benkay: highly confusing to catch the pm note before the actual pm, thestringpuller ;)

15:44:20 MisterE: http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/09/mass-stabbing-at-pennsylvania-high-school

15:44:21 ozbot: Mass stabbing at Pennsylvania high school | World | News | Toronto Sun

15:45:50 joecool: 20? kid's got skills

15:47:44 benkay: stabby stabby

15:48:00 benkay: this is why everyone should be taught to fight at age six

15:48:15 benkay: in other derpy news: no more wome

15:48:29 benkay: (goddamn kill ring)

15:48:29 benkay: http://juggalocoin.org/

15:48:31 ozbot: JuggaloCoin

15:50:26 benkay: so this irs position where you get taxed on the increase in value of your coins

15:50:47 benkay: seems like it'd make more sense if they just taxed you on the acquisition of coins. just like normal income.

15:50:58 benkay: i know i know; party line is "bitcoins aren't money"

15:54:11 Musk: benkay Lets all watch Bloomberg t.v the essances of real economic news...

15:54:16 *: Musk chuckles.

15:54:20 dignork: benkay, but they tax you only when switching btc to something else, as in barter deal

15:54:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0558 = 0.2232 BTC [-]

15:54:40 pankkake: paying taxes, what a strange idea

15:55:47 *: benkay rolls eyes

15:56:07 mike_c: yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes.

15:56:08 benkay: dignork: i understand the situation on the ground.

15:56:57 Musk: Hey guys are you lazy workers? yes.. then move to france.. its now illegal for employers to contract you after 6PM.

15:57:03 Musk: contact*

15:57:39 Apocalyptic: what

15:58:22 benkay: hey man contracts is contracts

15:58:39 Musk: http://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2014/apr/09/french-6pm-labour-agreement-work-emails-out-of-office...

15:58:43 Musk: i meant Contact... gosh.

15:59:27 Musk: This kind of news might lead to capital flying out of the country though.

15:59:56 benkay: and who are you, Musk?

15:59:59 benkay: ;;gettrust Musk

16:00:03 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Musk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Musk | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Musk | Rated since: never

16:00:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.14364288 BTC to 7`651 shares, 41088 satoshi per share

16:00:48 pankkake: that really is non-news. you never were forced to answer, unless by contract (which is likely not going to change)

16:01:04 pLambert: benkay: is there any capitla left to fly?

16:01:42 benkay: i had nothing to do with that comment, pLambert

16:01:57 benkay: i'm insufficiently capitalized myself to talk about capitalization

16:02:00 benkay: plus, france.

16:03:10 pLambert: bah, reading in a line is hard.

16:03:28 Mats_cd03: benkay re: tozny...tag line says eliminate the need for passwords, so is this just... auth by phone?

16:03:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]

16:03:48 benkay: not really accurate

16:04:07 benkay: don't be too harsh on the guys, they need to throw down another 10-20k on branding and copy.

16:04:38 benkay: there's an auth path that does away with passwords, but i don't know that anyone's going to implement it.

16:04:38 Mats_cd03: a clever founder would hire a starving artist for 500usd

16:05:05 benkay: the approach i expect to see implementers use is passwords + phone auth

16:05:16 jurov: and loot all photobanks for moar nice pictures

16:05:46 benkay: Mats_cd03: have you ever seen enterprise-sales grade material come out of a starving artist?

16:06:11 Mats_cd03: if you look in the right places, it can be had

16:06:44 jurov: benkay: cause mobile malware is non-extant, right?

16:06:58 Mats_cd03: try uc berkeley, or san francisco downtown :)

16:07:12 benkay: starving artists in san francisco??

16:07:16 benkay: pull the other one, Mats_cd03

16:07:36 benkay: (leastaways starving css jockies)

16:07:36 Mats_cd03: i guess they're not starving, just homeless

16:07:58 benkay: jurov: since when?

16:08:17 Mats_cd03: i imagine mitigating mobile malware is largely a policy issue

16:08:45 benkay: as with all installed software, i think it's the user's issue.

16:08:48 jurov: are you both serious?

16:09:06 Mats_cd03: give the nerds that need a smartphone something with a concrete expected support lifetime

16:09:08 jurov: we are just on tthe threshold on gsm baseband exploits

16:09:26 jurov: that stuff can do everything

16:10:01 jurov: there will be blood. now it's the worst time to rely on phones for anything\

16:10:41 benkay: compromise via gsm modem oslt?

16:10:58 Mats_cd03: the enemy still wouldnt have the keys you use to communicate securely though

16:11:04 Mats_cd03: at the app layer, anyway

16:11:22 Mats_cd03: (idk anything about gsm)

16:11:27 benkay: nor i.

16:11:47 Mats_cd03: ive known for some time the equipment for attacks against gsm has been affordable

16:11:48 jurov: it has bus access

16:12:03 Mats_cd03: <2kUSD in equipment now im sure

16:12:17 pankkake: gsm was designed by people with no real computing experience. don't trust the telephonists for anything

16:12:18 jurov: yes, that's why i'm talking about threshold

16:12:35 pankkake: it only lasted because the equipment was expensive

16:13:03 jurov: http://readwrite.com/2011/01/18/baseband_hacking_a_new_frontier_for_smartphone_break_ins#awesm=~oAX7gdWJCz6y2g

16:13:04 ozbot: Baseband Hacking: A New Frontier for Smartphone Break-ins – ReadWrite

16:13:09 jurov: just one report of many

16:13:36 benkay: "smarter" (or more well-capitalized) heads than mine have decided that this thing flies. we just ensure that the parts over which we have authority do what they say on the tin. per asciilifeform's mice and comments on proofs, the stack is ultra complex and its vulnerabilities are beyond our pay grade to even address.

16:13:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 41 @ 0.00349949 = 0.1435 BTC [+] {2}

16:14:08 jurov: you are ironic?

16:14:29 benkay: no, just stupid.

16:14:56 benkay: explain it to me before i make more mistakes, jurov

16:15:24 jurov: but i don't get what you are misunderstanding?

16:15:24 benkay: customer wants a gun that fires backwards. i say "but it fires backwards!" they say "just build it."

16:15:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 95 @ 0.00408918 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {7}

16:16:15 jurov: or your tozny comment was meant ironically from the start?

16:17:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 112 @ 0.00491185 = 0.5501 BTC [+] {6}

16:17:15 benkay: i dunno where this went off the rails.

16:17:51 benkay: you and i both know the only solution is keys on a device you trust and bitcoin.

16:18:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.00520587 = 0.177 BTC [+] {2}

16:18:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05679361 = 2.2717 BTC [+] {5}

16:22:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 23 @ 0.0052749 = 0.1213 BTC [+] {3}

16:30:21 benkay: ;;tslb

16:30:29 gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 26 seconds

16:30:43 BingoBoingo: .d

16:30:44 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1385 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.1369% in 9d 7h 27m 39s

16:31:05 benkay: ;;calc 529/60

16:31:06 gribble: 8.81666666667

16:31:49 benkay: supply high, demand low.

16:31:52 benkay: ;;ticker

16:31:54 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.31, Best ask: 444.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 444.31, 24 hour volume: 8064.52728342, 24 hour low: 439.5, 24 hour high: 458.2, 24 hour vwap: 448.973423497

16:32:05 benkay: WHY CRASH?!?!?

16:33:05 arij: btc ded

16:33:25 mike_c: cuz china, duh.

16:34:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [-]

16:34:18 pLambert: is the guy who runs bitvps on here?

16:34:49 BingoBoingo: How many times is BTC just going to crash to the same price it was yesterday roughly??? This is catastrophe!!!

16:34:55 arij: pLambert, yes, pm me

16:35:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05530004 = 0.2765 BTC [-] {3}

16:36:13 benkay: claptastrophe

16:36:16 Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd3-PaqZGbA

16:36:17 ozbot: Rep Jared Polis (D-CO) Using The Robocoin ATM - YouTube

16:36:20 Naphex: like alien technology

16:36:24 Naphex: all gather around

16:37:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05527035 = 0.1658 BTC [-] {3}

16:42:18 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/lOT2cr4

16:42:18 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

16:42:20 nubbins`: rough draft

16:42:32 nubbins`: comments welcome but will likely be discarded ;D

16:43:41 benkay: hey nubbins` what did the CBC end up saying instead of dick surgery?

16:44:21 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Eye doesn't look to be inflamed

16:45:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3593 @ 0.0001237 = 0.4445 BTC [-] {7}

16:47:55 BingoBoingo: news.slashdot.org/story/14/04/08/1449259/smart-car-tipping-trending-in-san-francisco

16:48:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00096537 = 14.3357 BTC [-] {2}

16:49:09 nubbins`: benkay: "D something surgery"

16:49:22 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: there's more than one way to make an eye pink ;p

16:49:52 nubbins`: iirc smartcar tipping was popular in amsterdam some years ago

16:49:59 nubbins`: pop 'em right into the canals

16:50:08 cgcardona_: nubbins`: $5 and not 0.1BTC ?

16:50:21 nubbins`: cgcardona_ inorite? shockin

16:50:31 cgcardona_: old skool

16:51:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]

16:52:23 nubbins`: altho we got our Square reader in the mail yesterday, so we'll accept credit cards at the merch table

16:54:14 benkay: ffs include an http at the front of your links BingoBoingo

16:54:38 BingoBoingo: benkay: That omission was intentional

16:54:41 nubbins`: heh

16:54:58 nubbins`: ffs set up your client properly benkay ;D

16:55:07 benkay: but hao

16:55:11 nubbins`: REGEX

16:55:13 benkay: i r no time hack irc

16:55:24 benkay: oh jesus and definitely no time to write regexen

16:55:29 cgcardona_: in soviet russia irc hacks you

16:55:53 nubbins`: and regex learns you

16:57:01 nubbins`: (swidt?)

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17:41:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05401 = 0.5401 BTC [-]

17:42:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9359 @ 0.000965 = 9.0314 BTC [-]

17:43:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05385001 = 0.1616 BTC [-]

17:47:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00076 = 0.152 BTC [+]

17:59:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05384834 = 0.1615 BTC [-] {2}

18:06:58 mircea_popescu: pLambert yeah. imminently.

18:07:11 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bitbet ain't paying cause it overpaid last month :D

18:07:38 mircea_popescu: jurov the payout must involve truly heroic effort << no, i'm just being blonde most of the time

18:09:14 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway. << it's good for some things, bad for others, not really optional imo

18:10:30 mircea_popescu: <mike_c> yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes. << zing lmao. what you say nao pankkake ? huh ? huh ?

18:10:43 asciilifeform: one day (tm) people will wake up and see that 'c machine', memory allocation in software, untyped pointers, etc. are dumb.

18:12:05 mircea_popescu: never!

18:12:10 mircea_popescu: you'rer just hating on their success

18:12:19 asciilifeform: lol

18:12:29 mircea_popescu: besides, i like dangling my own pointers damnit

18:13:00 asciilifeform: obligatory - naggum's bathtub:

18:13:02 asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html

18:13:02 ozbot: Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive

18:13:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins` your typeface mix sucks ass.

18:15:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform noob nagum. he thought security theatre was taking too much time in 2000

18:15:16 mircea_popescu: little did he know...

18:15:38 asciilifeform: little did they know, in 2014, about the uterus searches of 2030...

18:17:05 nubbins`: [15:03:22] <io_error> Who the fuck is nubbins`` and why is he trying to scam me in PMs?

18:17:08 nubbins`: lelel.

18:17:31 nubbins`: i tell ya, this nick is scam-proof

18:17:37 robwhiz22: Hello.

18:17:53 fluffypony: robwhiz22: hi! asl?

18:17:55 jurov: asciilifeform some considered it dumb from the very beginning. but ended up with "worse is better"-like self-consolations

18:17:56 fluffypony: :-P

18:17:58 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: agreed

18:17:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999998 BTC [+]

18:18:30 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu invited me in here. I came in on Sunday but you were going to a Bat Mitzvah.

18:18:46 benkay: so what situation would lead to someone who accepted a funding action with btc after 1 block getting burned?

18:18:56 robwhiz22: Mircea, I sent you a proposal last week and you invited me in here for your answer.

18:19:14 *: fluffypony gets his dreidel and yarmulke

18:19:29 benkay: a fork immediately after the confirmation, which resolved to a branch in which the solo-conf transaction was not included?

18:19:36 mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 no, i merely pointed you out to here. i'm still not going to pm with you, and that's not likely to change.

18:19:51 mircea_popescu: if you keep pretending like you call the shots i'll simply ignore you.

18:19:54 mircea_popescu: we about clear ?

18:20:15 jurov: robwhiz22 you are having another super sikrit idea?

18:20:42 jurov: if its success relies on utmost secrecy then it's not so good idea anyway

18:21:15 nubbins`: ^

18:21:38 mircea_popescu: moreover, the anonymous enjoys perfect secrecy of their ideas anyway.

18:21:54 *: fluffypony ponders

18:21:59 mircea_popescu: nobody notices what the bums do in the holes they inhabit, nobody notices what "ideas" anon ppl "have" etc.

18:23:26 bounce: .oO( perfect forward secrecy of ideas )

18:23:53 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, certainly you're the boss.

18:23:56 fluffypony: I find this a contentious issue...I agree that ideas are worthless, implementation is critical, but if implementation has already begun and the person seeks counsel/funding how much of that do they make public?

18:24:21 mircea_popescu: fluffypony if you stick around here you'll see great ideas being given away for free multiple times a week

18:24:36 mircea_popescu: and i do mean great, not in the sense of "tinker joe thinks this rocks after two beers".

18:24:38 pLambert: enough to make the people they are trying to get money from comfortable

18:24:50 fluffypony: pLambert: yeah there's the rub

18:25:05 benkay: the best way to make funders comfortable is by demonstrating competence.

18:25:08 pLambert: so, as much as you can give

18:25:10 benkay: past performance best indicator etc

18:25:26 mircea_popescu: dude get out. you got no money you're giving your entire idea away entirely for free to the people who have money.

18:25:28 mircea_popescu: all of it.

18:25:29 benkay: withholding throws red flags, an important note.

18:25:45 mircea_popescu: then maybe they give you the great opportunity to give the manother one. also for free.

18:25:51 mircea_popescu: then, maybe, perhaps, possibly, you actually have a name

18:25:56 mircea_popescu: and can begun getting paid.

18:26:06 fluffypony: benkay: agreed

18:26:17 mircea_popescu: this obnoxious pretentiousness where "you" have an idea and x has money and you're now equals is like... dream on, you'll be on sex and the city

18:26:21 mircea_popescu: as the cumrag.

18:26:57 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: are you talking to me or robwhatshisface?

18:27:18 mircea_popescu: neither, i was just sayin' generally.

18:27:22 fluffypony: ah ok

18:27:41 mike_c: if the 'idea is worthless' and the 'implementaion is critical', then why be afraid to discuss the idea no matter what stage you are at.

18:28:16 fluffypony: mike_c: I agree with that *at the idea stage*

18:28:41 nubbins`: wait, is fluffypony the guy with the fake wife?

18:28:44 mike_c: but once implementation has begun the idea suddently has value? ok..

18:28:47 fluffypony: nubbins`: LOL

18:29:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 86.05453928 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 17 satoshi per share

18:29:18 fluffypony: nubbins`: I'll be sure to tell her she's fake :)

18:29:44 nubbins`: tyvm

18:29:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you hate blondies ?

18:30:10 nubbins`: not at all, my wife is blonder than that :D

18:30:20 *: fluffypony ^5 nubbins`

18:30:25 fluffypony: I never thought I'd marry a blonde

18:30:32 fluffypony: but they really are kinda fun

18:30:35 mircea_popescu: you hate girls that are too scatterbrained to buy nailpolish so they end up with hands in different colors ?

18:31:15 asciilifeform: ;;google deng xiaoping cat colour

18:31:16 gribble: Deng Xiaoping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping; Deng Xiaoping Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping_Theory; Deng Xiaoping - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping

18:31:19 mircea_popescu: fluffypony at the rate you're ghoing she's going to be here to cuss us all out in person.

18:31:26 fluffypony: hah

18:31:32 nubbins`: why do you think i hate women ;(

18:31:45 benkay: bad feminist

18:31:47 benkay: no nookie

18:32:15 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: just noticed that...the polish is temperature sensitive gel

18:32:15 mircea_popescu: ^

18:32:19 fluffypony: LeChat Mood something

18:32:35 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/5VfFrqy.jpg

18:32:38 mircea_popescu: o so she had that finger up somewhere first foreals ?

18:32:41 *: fluffypony winks

18:32:44 fluffypony: don't you know it

18:32:51 asciilifeform: anyone remember liquid crystal pants?

18:32:57 mircea_popescu: ya lol

18:33:00 nubbins`: i remember hot wheels that did that

18:33:01 asciilifeform: and what supposedly accounted for their quick disappearance

18:33:04 nubbins`: and chip & pepper t-shirts

18:33:15 mircea_popescu: they should totally make these nailpolishes to react to whatever fuck hormones chicks have,

18:33:31 mircea_popescu: so the morning after her nails are white, and two weeks later it's bleedin' purple

18:33:32 asciilifeform: at some point 'flir' camera on phones will bring this game back.

18:33:51 fluffypony: hah

18:33:51 nubbins`: ^

18:33:59 mircea_popescu: so you know, everyone in the bar knows who to hit on.

18:34:02 nubbins`: once again the public will know when your crotch is sweaty

18:34:06 mircea_popescu: maybe they could be free wirth obamacare

18:34:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00012384 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {5}

18:34:28 asciilifeform: it will do to 'pick uppery' what rifling did for small arms

18:34:32 nubbins`: we actually buy inks from the company that used to make those color-changing inks

18:34:39 nubbins`: not color-changing ones, but still

18:34:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ie, send everyone spinning ?

18:35:01 jurov: wut, temp sensitive nail polish?

18:35:20 fluffypony: jurov: yeah

18:35:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, please everyone don't read my supersikrit business idea

18:35:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla push ze logerase button pls.

18:35:37 fluffypony: http://www.salonsupplystore.co.za/introducing_lechat_perfect_match_mood_changing_colours

18:35:39 ozbot: Introducing LeChat Perfect Match Mood Changing Colours - Salon Supply Store

18:35:39 fluffypony: there you go

18:35:41 benkay: let me just go raise 5m for chemgineering

18:35:43 fluffypony: "mood" = temperature

18:35:46 fluffypony: apparently

18:35:55 nubbins`: natch

18:36:01 nubbins`: also lying=temperature

18:36:16 mircea_popescu: also catching her nail in the door = temperature.

18:36:22 asciilifeform: for some reason i picture the 'scope' as a gadget a la the MIT roulette cheating machine

18:36:23 benkay: fluffypony: so if there's an idea that's worthless, and the execution is everything, if you've made strides on execution that is a 'moat' in the parlance, ensaftifying your idea.

18:36:42 mircea_popescu: benkay you mean ensafeizing.

18:36:46 asciilifeform: to avoid having to aim the scope, it would have to be mounted on... the user's crotch level.

18:36:52 asciilifeform: (codpiece?)

18:36:55 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu - you wrote that you do not want to PM and that's not likely to change. Could you therefore answer here to the proposal I submitted to Polimedia?

18:36:58 fluffypony: ensaftifying my shoelaces

18:36:58 jurov: benaky isn't fructifying the right word?

18:36:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hate to break it to you but crotch levels vary

18:36:59 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

18:36:59 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.000965 BTC [-]

18:37:21 benkay: all these made up words

18:37:46 benkay: signifying the SAME DAMN THING

18:37:47 fluffypony: benkay: just to make sure I understand, you're talking about this: http://stocks.about.com/od/evaluatingstocks/a/072908moat.htm ?

18:37:53 mircea_popescu: dude naggum rules.

18:37:58 *: fluffypony doesn't know the parlance. at all.

18:38:11 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: i imagine you'd have to confess here wtf the 'proposal' is

18:38:17 mircea_popescu: Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable. They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only make them miserable and hate their lives. People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself

18:38:17 mircea_popescu: and get through such experiences. Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments" that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Sin

18:38:18 mircea_popescu: ce you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride before it is over and you "lost".

18:38:18 asciilifeform: or else your answer wouldn't make sense

18:38:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 895 @ 0.00038537 = 0.3449 BTC [-] {5}

18:38:38 benkay: an acceptable first pass, fluffypony

18:38:48 *: fluffypony reads

18:39:44 mircea_popescu: " If you deny people the opportunity to defend something they feel is under threat, however, some people go completely insane with rage and actually believe that you threaten them on purpose and that you willfully seek to destroy something very valuable to them."

18:40:00 mircea_popescu: therer you go asciilifeform. "is mp a psychopath ?!?!?!" "definitely! he aims to destroy our shit!!1"

18:41:06 asciilifeform: for those who never encountered naggum, he was a fellow who often bulldozed idiots as a public service, much like mircea_popescu.

18:42:06 asciilifeform: my collection of naggumiana:

18:42:07 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165

18:42:07 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu has seen a proposal I submitted to polymedia and responded that "The best approach would be to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode" and sent me a link ("http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets if you don't have a client handy") which is what I called an invitation.

18:42:07 ozbot: Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum

18:42:34 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I would have preferred not to chat in here but of course am happy to do so if he requires it.

18:42:39 mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 i didn't see it. i just have a stock answer to all those that insist to aproach me personally as if we have some sort of a relationship.

18:42:41 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: what sense would the reply make to the rest of us if we don't know the question?

18:42:44 jurov: asciilifeform why all the rage.. just finish the damn time machine and force K&R to lisp instead on that PDP

18:42:54 mircea_popescu: that stock answer is, join here, build the relationship you seem to imagine you already have, talk after.

18:42:55 jurov: on gunpoint if need be

18:43:28 asciilifeform: jurov: may as well go back and zap the fellow responsible for tetraethyl lead in gasoline

18:43:36 mircea_popescu: why ?!

18:43:39 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I see.

18:43:41 asciilifeform: boost 20th c. iq by a point or two

18:43:55 mircea_popescu: i'd just go back in time and fuck cleo.

18:44:02 asciilifeform: lol!

18:44:08 mircea_popescu: what!

18:44:21 asciilifeform: there was a great soviet cartoon about a kid who hates history class and then gets a time machine

18:44:35 asciilifeform: he goes back and kills... just about everyone he failed exams on

18:44:42 mircea_popescu: lmao

18:44:49 asciilifeform: goes home, and planet is run by intelligent fungi

18:44:56 asciilifeform: whos exam he... flunks

18:44:59 mircea_popescu: okok

18:45:04 mircea_popescu: i'd go back in time and fuck

18:45:07 mircea_popescu: cleo's still warm corpse.

18:45:26 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I'm unclear about what kind of relationship you have in mind.

18:45:36 asciilifeform: ;;google dear departed cadaver to enjoy

18:45:37 gribble: Lyrics: Dear Departed - Bob Kanefsky: http://www.songworm.com/lyrics/songworm-parody/DearDeparted.html; The Happy Haunted Horseshoe at the Magic Kingdom | DIS Blog: http://blog.wdwinfo.com/2013/10/31/the-happy-haunted-horseshoe-at-the-magic-kingdom/; The Crackle & The Static | Cadaver Club: http://www.cadaverclub.com/?page_id=432

18:46:25 mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 i don't have it in mind, you have it in mind. whatever it is in your mind that makes you think i could conceivably give a shit about your proposal.

18:47:10 mircea_popescu: see if benkay sends me a proposal ima prolly read it. but you're not benkay.

18:47:21 mircea_popescu: so become benkay.

18:47:25 benkay: no don't its horrible

18:47:40 mircea_popescu: benkay don't worry, the past two dozen lines were all a setup for me to say "become benkay"

18:47:46 mircea_popescu: it's a calophilous thing.

18:47:50 fluffypony: yeah you'll have to have your nick highlighted in green on my client if you become benkay

18:48:30 bounce: including the thing about warm necrofilia?

18:48:31 mircea_popescu: hm i guess im the only one knowing what calophilous is supposed to mean.

18:48:52 fluffypony: probably, I've never heard the word

18:48:58 mircea_popescu: it's a love of the form of phrase, unrelated to meaning. a fixation with getting aliterations and formal perfection.

18:49:01 mircea_popescu: you know, like coders.

18:49:08 asciilifeform: tone poem

18:49:26 asciilifeform: (i believe that's the english term for it)

18:49:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it just denotes the general preocupation. doesn't have to be a poem

18:49:36 bounce: alliterative code. maybe the next scrum.

18:49:48 fluffypony: hah

18:49:56 mircea_popescu: just, anyone who is [excessively] preocupied with written form and style to the possible detriment of meaning = calophile

18:50:00 fluffypony: Poem Masters will ensure that code is sung

18:50:01 bounce: rhyming user stories

18:50:07 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, when I wrote you I quoted your announcement on cryptome in which you explicitly welcomed letters such as mine. Whether you have any interest in anyhting beyond it, or since abandoned that interest, is up to you to communicate.

18:50:18 mircea_popescu: kalophilos, exists as such in german

18:50:47 mircea_popescu: is this related to the cardano in some manner ?

18:51:11 benkay: you thought 3 line method calls were a thing?

18:51:19 benkay: now all must also be haiku

18:51:20 benkay: and rhyme

18:51:21 benkay: GO

18:51:23 bounce: oh, who was that philosopher guy with the headcase for exactly that again? or rather, seeing more meaning in language than there possibly can be, neatly reasoning cause to be effect and vv

18:51:42 fluffypony: benkay: GO like the language, or must we just go?

18:51:53 benkay: it's injunctive.

18:51:59 fluffypony: or self-defining

18:52:04 mircea_popescu: bounce just about ... half of them ?

18:52:47 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, yes. I opened my to you with: Dear Polimedia, \n In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announcement on Cryptome: \n http://cryptome.org/2013/10/bitcoin-usb-gpg.htm \n Which includes, in part, "Critique of the product welcomed."

18:53:03 bounce: well a big name german guy entirely hung up on language, can't remember his name. there's gotta be irony in there somewhere.

18:53:08 mircea_popescu: aite, so go ahead an' critique it.

18:53:32 asciilifeform: interesting that someone might write a whatever re: cardano and not ask me.

18:53:33 robwhiz22: You have my letter. The cardano is not fit for any purpose today. (But this can change easily.) Why don't you read my letter then.

18:53:35 bounce: it sux! -- there, universal critique of teh intarwebz. where's my cookie?

18:53:43 benkay: robwhiz22: share your shit.

18:53:49 benkay: stop derping and put it to the test.

18:54:12 asciilifeform: i especially look forward to hearing about how the widget is 'not fit for any purpose.'

18:54:16 bounce: a letter in the mail/ in braille/ to johnny quest/

18:54:20 asciilifeform: positively salivating!

18:54:21 mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 dude. i sent a letter to the guy running cryptome. because i know he's qualified. he published it. i see no problem with this. i am more than willing to extend the welcoming of critique to his readership, because if he judged this is a good idea i'm going on his hand.

18:54:36 benkay: worst case scenario you can replace me as class clown

18:54:39 *: benkay cartwheels off

18:54:51 mircea_popescu: i am however not transforming this into "please send me anon emails". you want to critique it, either publish it on cryptome, that critique, or on your blog, which i may eventually read if you're anybody

18:54:54 mircea_popescu: or else i guess here.

18:54:57 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, why don't you get your boss to accept my proposal and you can stop salivating :)

18:55:16 nubbins`: why don't we just keep this circular "discussion" going instead

18:55:16 fluffypony: lol

18:55:26 bounce: it's the cartwheels, I'm telling ya

18:55:32 nubbins`: art imitates life

18:55:35 mike_c: let me guess robwhiz22: you are charging for the full details of the critique.

18:55:50 mircea_popescu: no wai ?!

18:56:01 fluffypony: mike_c: also the contents of your computer has been encrypted...but for the very low fee of 10 BTC I can decrypt it for you

18:56:03 robwhiz22: mike_c - no not exactly. I've written most of the details in the first email, and am including a proper well-edited write-up free of charge with the proposal.

18:56:22 mircea_popescu: suppose you just write the elevator speech in the next five minutes

18:56:37 benkay: or pastebin the letter

18:56:39 mircea_popescu: what am i, a highschool teacher, send me crap in double spaced comic sans fiont ?

18:56:40 benkay: save yourself some work

18:56:41 robwhiz22: suppose you read my email? Don't you still have it?

18:56:59 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: cardano is co-authored by me & mp. not dictated by him as work for hire. (see s.nsa contract on mpex.co for who's who)

18:57:02 mircea_popescu: i'd rather read proposals for turkish soap pilots.

18:57:11 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: if you've something to suggest, please do it here

18:57:18 *: fluffypony starts writing a Turkish soap

18:57:42 robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I'm sorry. He answered the email to Polimedia and called you the chief engineer - which is why I thought he was, 'your boss.'

18:58:03 mircea_popescu: what are you, from the 50s ? this is the 21st century, work relations are fluid.

18:58:04 nubbins`: this is painful

18:58:42 mike_c: this is obviously a weak attempt at extortion. rob, you have picked the wrong victims.

18:58:59 mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html << anyone wanna put this on reddit ?

18:59:00 ozbot: Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive

18:59:11 robwhiz22: All right. asciilifeform, in my critique I showed what you say makes you 'salivate' - obviously, without charge - as spec work. A proper write-up is incldued for free with a larger proposal.

18:59:32 mike_c: 'included for free with receipt of payment'.

18:59:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05686965 = 0.6824 BTC [+] {2}

18:59:43 mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you draw this one ?

18:59:48 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: ok so you've formally confessed to being the earlier bozo.

18:59:49 robwhiz22: mike_c, no, you have misunderstood. I included it in my email to Polimedia.

19:00:02 mircea_popescu: dont you mean polimedya /

19:00:32 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I don't know. The address says "polimedia.us"

19:00:48 benkay: .bait

19:00:49 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2eiywadkV1qc3ldvo1_500.jpg

19:01:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will you be terribly annoyed with me if i point out that in fact the "run fast and without making sense" approach appeals ?

19:01:19 Shakespeare: wow robwhiz22, stop being such a chore

19:01:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it had no appeal, who would do it

19:01:24 mircea_popescu: imh&uo, what's needed is a way to convert exploratory code from c to lisp, and have all old shit in lisp

19:01:27 Shakespeare: just say what you wanna say here and again

19:01:31 Shakespeare: it wont kill you

19:01:41 mircea_popescu: rather than take my ability away to write five bad lines of regex until i finally get grep to find what i wanted in the logs

19:02:11 bounce: "run nonsensically and slow" is rather popular these days too

19:02:25 bounce: as long as the "coding" is, er, "easy"?

19:02:25 mircea_popescu: that's the happy medium here, i tell you : hack the shit in c, then re-write it in lisp once it's in any seriousness going to be used by others for anything

19:02:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i use emacs and 'slime', personally. 'f1' key wired to 'eval sexpr in current cursor'

19:02:38 mircea_popescu: yea see ?

19:02:51 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=202

19:02:52 ozbot: Loper OS » Tim Daly on Symbolics Lisp Machines

19:02:52 mircea_popescu: it's not even anything else than *i don't think i could be bothered to use compuers at all without that*

19:02:53 asciilifeform: ooda loop

19:02:55 mircea_popescu: it's really that big

19:02:55 fluffypony: I use imacs! we have so much in common, asciilifeform

19:02:58 fluffypony: :-P

19:03:00 robwhiz22: This is how I started the email: "As described in your introduction to its specs, the Cardano it allows one point of certainty in an uncertain world . However insecure a computer might be to which it is connected, so long as a Cardano does not leave your possession, its private key can be relied on to work, and to be uncompromised, while it remains on the physical Cardano which does not export it under any circumstances. Moreover, yo

19:03:00 robwhiz22: u can actually use that private key while preserving the above guarantees."

19:03:02 robwhiz22: You should read it.

19:03:03 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the bathtub catapult has some potential

19:03:06 mike_c: satoshi hacked together bitcoin. still waiting for that rewrite..

19:03:11 mircea_popescu: mike_c indeed.

19:03:30 fluffypony: mike_c: MagicalTux was rewriting in PHP, innit?

19:03:32 bounce: for me, the biggest off-putting thing to learning lisp keeps on being having to accept emacs in the deal.

19:03:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05799879 = 0.29 BTC [+]

19:03:56 daybyter: nah....you can use lisp with nano, too.

19:04:00 robwhiz22: I then stated: "As beautiful as the idea is, the Cardano in its present form is unfit for any purpose whatsoever, as I will prove shortly. If interested in my follow-up proposal, I can prepare a more detailed overview detailing this conclusion. The main points are summarized below."

19:04:01 Shakespeare: robwhiz22 dpaste it and link it here then

19:04:08 Shakespeare: you'll get the benefit of all eyes

19:04:17 asciilifeform: lisp, of whatever kind, without emacs, is quite like trying to do international business without knowing a word of english

19:04:19 asciilifeform: certainly possible

19:04:21 daybyter: but take a look at scheme. I prefer it over lisp now.

19:04:21 robwhiz22: That is not how product proposals work, Shakespeare.

19:04:32 mircea_popescu: i kinda like nano

19:04:37 Shakespeare: it is here

19:04:50 mircea_popescu: most of the fraudsters that's not written in vi is written in nano

19:04:52 bounce: used to use pico for ages.

19:04:58 asciilifeform: at the very least, you need an editor that will match parens and auto-indent for you

19:05:03 Shakespeare: mp is trying to tell you, you dont decide how things work

19:05:13 asciilifeform: and, preferably, can be wired to the evaluator for real-time experimentation

19:05:18 nubbins`: i still use pico when i have need to create flat text files

19:05:27 asciilifeform: this leaves... emacs+slime (and an obscure, experimental variant of 'vi')

19:05:27 nubbins`: (this isn't often)

19:05:28 robwhiz22: It would not be responsible disclosure if I were to pastebin the rest of hte email here.

19:05:35 nubbins`: ^ AHA

19:05:39 nubbins`: now we're getting to it

19:05:55 Shakespeare: so you think it has a security flaw? then tell asciilifeform

19:05:58 Shakespeare: he made the damn thing

19:06:06 mike_c: how can you say it would not be responsible disclosure when that is exactly what the manufacturer is asking you to do.

19:06:12 nubbins`: ^

19:06:18 asciilifeform: robwhiz22: you may wish to consider becoming distinguishable from a nigerian spammer

19:06:23 Shakespeare: also it isnt even in the wild

19:06:28 Shakespeare: you arent hurting anyone

19:06:31 nubbins`: /timer 15 ^

19:06:33 mircea_popescu: and moreover... the product is not deployed. any disclosure is responsible by definition

19:06:37 mircea_popescu: who the fuck's gonna be harmed, the flies ?

19:06:39 mike_c: sure it is, ascii uses it to generate his bitcoin wallets :)

19:06:45 robwhiz22: I wrote privately to the Polimedia office at the address at which the Cryptome announcement solicited feedback.

19:06:47 *: Shakespeare collects another coke

19:06:50 asciilifeform: mike_c: the rng.

19:07:14 asciilifeform: mike_c: 'everybody' is obsessed with the rng, but it's 1960s tech.

19:07:39 mike_c: not all of us can solder together our own trng

19:07:53 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULDtgnQ0fy4

19:07:54 ozbot: Dr. Seuss' Green Eggs and Ham - YouTube

19:08:22 asciilifeform: mike_c: invest in a soldering iron. you'll be surprised at what can be made just from what people throw away.

19:08:30 bounce: upshot of having tech development go much faster is that now, if you're trying to dig "forgotten" tech back up, the people who originally made it might still be alive. not so much with, oh, the roman taxi meter, or things like that.

19:08:44 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, if you like I can prepare the disclosure for public consumption. You can then release it. For obvious reasons of haste, I did not include a highly polished and edited write-up with the preliminary email.

19:09:11 robwhiz22: (But did included the main disclosures, which together make the current Cardano specs unfit for any purpose - although it is very close to being fit.)

19:09:37 nubbins`: so titillating

19:09:43 *: bounce proposes to include robwhiz22 in the premium version of the rng. such noise!

19:09:58 robwhiz22: You will have the write-up to do with as you want, including releasing as-is. However I do not think that type of disclosure is necessary. I would suggest you simply deploy the specific mitigations in the verison that ships.

19:10:05 mike_c: have you seen blogs.bitcoin-assets.com? nobody polishes their turds around here. just publish it.

19:10:17 mircea_popescu: i polish my turds ;/

19:10:24 asciilifeform: some folks flunked spam school. didn't read 'spam like a pro in 21 days!' very attentively.

19:10:39 mike_c: (nobody - mp). and he's not mp.

19:10:43 robwhiz22: But to go back to my experience - overall all of the proposals of this type that I have written have been unpublished publicly. (i.e. for internal use.)

19:11:06 robwhiz22: I mean the ones that were accepted and paid for. The ones that aren't accepted, I don't write.

19:11:16 mircea_popescu: i am not mp.

19:11:46 mike_c: ;;ident mircea_popescu

19:11:46 gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.

19:11:52 mike_c: indeed you are not.

19:11:54 mircea_popescu: hm. i gues i am.

19:12:00 mircea_popescu: also, the brain specialist.

19:12:39 asciilifeform: we're all bourbaki.

19:12:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you like to buy my "how to get laid in egypt if you had a time machine" guide ?

19:13:37 asciilifeform: i'll be sure to pick one up before rocketing off to visit the ancients.

19:15:30 mircea_popescu: do consider it. bonus : no syphilis.

19:15:39 mircea_popescu: also no aids.

19:15:47 robwhiz22: By the way I did not realize that you were not shipping this item at all, since I ran across a post that says it is shipping by xmas 2013, as well as I saw prototype that seemed nearly usable.

19:15:52 mircea_popescu: the worst a slutty pharaoh can give you is a little itchin'.

19:15:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1068 @ 0.00011803 = 0.1261 BTC [-] {3}

19:16:24 mircea_popescu: robwhiz22 it's not shipping yet.

19:16:37 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, do you have a target date?

19:16:38 mircea_popescu: but nice going on the boundry checking lol. srsly, it works.

19:17:00 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

19:17:03 mircea_popescu: we had a few, but they eventually married asciilifeform

19:17:07 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 443.99, vol: 8359.37391303 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 439.01, vol: 10356.42525 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 444.6949, vol: 3915.71754561 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 465.0, vol: 73.10496054 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 440.78451, vol: 2176.43740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 457.52625, vol: 0.74955489 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 461.17156151, vol: 55.29248739 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

19:17:18 BingoBoingo: ;;more drama

19:17:18 gribble: Error: I haven't seen drama.

19:17:28 mircea_popescu: til gribs is blind

19:17:43 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, yes I thought also that it works and thought it might be shipping. For security reasons it is obviously a great benefit if it is not quite clear whether it is shipping, to whom, and in what quantities.

19:18:10 mircea_popescu: also for insecurities reasons.

19:18:55 robwhiz22: yes, also for marketing reasons :)

19:19:46 robwhiz22: i.e. if there is a beta phase.

19:20:56 mircea_popescu: why's you lot so worried about teh cardano anyway ? it's just a strong crypto device with impenetrable rng, what of it ?

19:21:11 mircea_popescu: the world's going there anyway.

19:21:37 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I agree with you. I think it has a large market.

19:22:23 mircea_popescu: right right. anyway, review teh sec letters. nsa wants to talk it'd better not be sending me derpy proposals in the mail. get ready for a full exchange agreement, and i get to veto the next president.

19:22:28 mircea_popescu: i'm not the fucking french, a little respect wtf.

19:23:29 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, thank you for the compliment :) But the proposal is not the work of an organization. I would, as stated, personally offer it. As well it has its limits and must be taken in as just an internal proposal.

19:24:42 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, unlike the NSA which tends to hand-wave as they propose certain specific vulnerabilities without giving reasons, my reasoning is stated. This is part of why it is a bit difficult to prepare the proposal in full and I don't do it except if an initial offer is accepted.

19:25:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05799 = 0.116 BTC [-]

19:25:21 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, i.e. because it must be well-thought out, detailed, and edited, with supporting arguments. It is quite a bit of work to do an internal design proposal for these reasons.

19:28:46 nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/French/comments/22ljai/potential_phonetic_translation_of_word_i_heard/

19:28:47 nubbins`: my sides

19:29:18 nubbins`: tldr: french guy is making out with girl in bar. she says "i'm pos". guy hears "io

19:29:25 nubbins`: "i'm pause" and rails her

19:30:10 benkay: robwhiz22: why not publish your letter to polimedia here?

19:31:00 nubbins`: but then he can't get paid

19:31:25 benkay: why, someone else's going to do the security proposal thinger for cash?

19:31:45 nubbins`: no, if he blows his wad here for free, he can

19:31:51 nubbins`: 't sell it

19:32:08 benkay: he sent polimedia a thing tho, right?

19:32:10 nubbins`: having major problems with the placement of my return key here today

19:32:18 nubbins`: afaik he sent a coles notes version without any details

19:32:35 nubbins`: "click here to subscribe and keep reading" sorta thing

19:33:02 robwhiz22: nubbins`, I am not exactly selling that. I described it in full in the email, and I am happy to clean it up for public consumption for free, along with my follow-up proposal.

19:33:06 benkay: i want the notes!

19:33:25 nubbins`: robwhiz22: so what are you trying to sell?

19:33:26 robwhiz22: benkay - I didn't mean to cause you to want them. For the moment they belong only to Polimedia.

19:33:44 punkman: such cocktease

19:33:48 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/453978433098633216

19:33:49 ozbot: Twitter / LangoschMLB: Well, if you don't like what ...

19:34:05 robwhiz22: if mircea_popescu wants he can release the write-up, I will clean it up as part of the follow-up proposal.

19:34:26 nubbins`: so you're selling... editing services?

19:34:29 robwhiz22: nubbins`, I submitted a proposal to Polimedia, as part of it I gave the "notes" benkay is referring to. I didn't tease with the notes or allude to them.

19:34:35 benkay: mircea_popescu: would you pastebin the thing?

19:34:49 BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: I'll buy the notes you have so far for a princely 0.0025 BTC

19:35:14 kakobrekla: ill pay the same but have buttcoin instead

19:35:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0355 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2}

19:35:36 fluffypony: I'll pay double but in FluffyCoin

19:35:38 robwhiz22: BingoBoingo, this isn't an auction. It is up to Polimedia to publish them when it is ready to do so. (If it wants to.)

19:36:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05521002 = 0.5521 BTC [-] {3}

19:36:22 robwhiz22: Other clients I've made such submissions to (who have paid for them) use the results very happily, but do not publish my work directly. THat's the sense in which I meant it is internal.

19:36:33 BingoBoingo: Hmmm... mircea_popescu has been quite. I sense a fraudsters coming

19:36:50 robwhiz22: He could be reading the emails.

19:37:00 robwhiz22: As I said, I didn't tease with the notes but summarized in full.

19:37:21 robwhiz22: Though I should edit them if they were to be posted publicly. (Something I don't suggest at this stage.)

19:37:41 *: nubbins` groans

19:37:51 kakobrekla: whats this about anyway

19:37:53 benkay: his sides!

19:37:54 robwhiz22: I suggest if he likes hte notes, that he accept my proposal, wait to receive the results, and then he can publish if he feels the need.

19:37:59 nubbins`: kakobrekla, nobody fucking knows

19:38:03 kakobrekla: do we get to see buttcoin or not

19:38:29 nubbins`: the riddler here won't tell us

19:38:56 BingoBoingo: Fine, I'll offer 0.01 for an authenticated Buttcoin

19:39:13 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I just made one in paint, will that do?

19:39:27 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: No, a sharpie is required

19:39:39 BingoBoingo: Or some off brand laundry marker if you are a heathen

19:39:43 fluffypony: lol

19:39:46 fluffypony: we don't get Sharpies here

19:40:26 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It is less about the kind of marker and more what you do with it.

19:40:40 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: *wink*

19:41:46 BingoBoingo: ;;google fraudsters buttcoins nao

19:41:47 gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/; Februarie 2013 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2013/02

19:42:31 fluffypony: yeah that was mentioned earlier today

19:42:37 fluffypony: I've had enough scarring for one evening

19:42:40 nubbins`: you don't get sharpies?

19:42:41 fluffypony: scaring?

19:42:44 kakobrekla: use the fake wife?

19:42:44 nubbins`: where do you live, the moon? :(

19:42:59 fluffypony: nubbins`: apparently some stores do carry them, but they're uncommon. Staedler is massive.

19:43:09 robwhiz22: I have another commitment. mircea_popescu thank you for taking the time to consider the proposals. Please feel free to reply by email, including with any questions or clarificatoins.

19:43:09 nubbins`: what country?

19:43:10 fluffypony: kakobrekla: index finger or ring finger?

19:43:14 fluffypony: nubbins`: oh sorry, South Africa

19:43:16 nubbins`: ah

19:43:28 kakobrekla: what do you mean 'or' ?

19:43:41 nubbins`: wat se!

19:43:42 fluffypony: kakobrekla: and/or?

19:43:51 kakobrekla: i guess and would fit.

19:43:57 BingoBoingo: http://www.staedtler.com/en/products/markers-refill-ink/universal-pens/lumocolor-permanent-laundry-319-lm-permanent-laundry-marker/

19:44:00 fluffypony: nubbins`: ek se niks;)

19:44:12 nubbins`: :D

19:44:59 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: NO WAY! It has my name on the shirt!

19:45:08 fluffypony: well the short form anyway

19:45:13 fluffypony: it's like its fate

19:45:15 fluffypony: <3

19:45:28 kakobrekla: your name is Laundry ?

19:45:44 nubbins`: ^

19:46:16 fluffypony: kakobrekla: Laundryopolous, actually

19:46:37 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: we just need to work out a message for you to write, so we know it is really you nao

19:46:47 kakobrekla: thats not a name.

19:47:00 fluffypony: kakobrekla: you caught me

19:47:17 kakobrekla: apparent as garr.

19:48:22 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU

19:48:22 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

19:50:25 fluffypony: Ƀ1.4893

19:50:26 fluffypony: eugh

19:50:58 fluffypony: http://bitcoinsymbol.org <- they need to stfu

19:51:32 BingoBoingo: Garr:

19:51:33 BingoBoingo: http://www.lukegilman.com/high-on-the-hog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/alligator-gar-hunting-trini.jpg

19:53:08 kakobrekla: myea, hard to hide

19:53:52 BingoBoingo: Garr is one ugly fish

19:58:50 BingoBoingo: http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/Pages/SOUL_ReadTeach.html

19:58:51 ozbot: Readings & Teachings

20:02:14 BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/the-ultimate-warrior-was-an-insane-dick-1561275496

20:02:15 ozbot: The Ultimate Warrior Was An Insane Dick

20:03:56 pLambert: which is better, python or lisp?

20:06:03 BingoBoingo: Depends on what you are doing

20:07:35 Naphex: java?

20:07:36 Naphex: ;o

20:07:37 fluffypony: pLambert: php all the way, this guy confirms: https://twitter.com/php_ceo/

20:07:54 daybyter: java!

20:08:47 pLambert: fluffypony: why does he use ALL CAPS?

20:08:58 fluffypony: pLambert: because he's the PHP CEO!

20:09:14 fluffypony: I'm sure this one hit hard: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/441222994296180736

20:09:14 Naphex: probably the fake php ceo

20:09:30 Naphex: real php ceo would use a mix of all caps, camel case, underlines, and dashes

20:09:47 fluffypony: hah hah

20:09:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1049 @ 0.00011721 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}

20:10:30 BingoBoingo: And B=======D

20:10:46 Naphex: they should've used that as a namespace separator

20:12:50 Shakespeare: this is kinda funny

20:12:51 Shakespeare: http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bitcoin-money-supply-lags-guatemalan-quetzal-UI5wDhT7RfqlWkKMRGTp2A.html

20:12:52 ozbot: Bitcoin Money Supply Lags Guatemalan Quetzal: Video - Bloomberg

20:13:27 kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/WRP5DsD.gif

20:13:48 benkay: whassat Shakespeare ?

20:14:08 Shakespeare: idiots showing data as if it matters

20:14:13 Shakespeare: and then derping

20:14:29 Shakespeare: shows USD supply as big boner and bitcoin as laughable

20:14:40 Shakespeare: it's only a couple mins

20:15:08 benkay: i guess cuz increase in monetary supply is good

20:15:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1094 @ 0.00011624 = 0.1272 BTC [-] {2}

20:15:56 benkay: asciilifeform: what's the story with haskell?

20:17:16 Naphex: benkay: you use it to experiment and have some fun, then switch to something else for real life

20:17:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00011605 = 0.1161 BTC [+] {2}

20:18:32 jurov: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994033 will be interesting how this sorts out

20:18:33 ozbot: 994033 – Most StartSSL certs will stay compromised

20:19:03 kakobrekla: look jurov your friends

20:19:04 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563793.0

20:19:06 ozbot: New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB"

20:20:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1068 @ 0.00011596 = 0.1238 BTC [-] {3}

20:22:27 jurov: ;;later tell davout "We are searching for someone to help us lodge a complaint with AMF, can you recommend anyone? This bourse stuff is completely lame but he's too persistent."

20:22:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:22:32 daybyter: Naphex: you do java?

20:24:21 Apocalyptic: jurov, i would go http://www.amf-france.org/Formulaires-et-declarations/Contact.html?lst_select_form_theme_id=signalement

20:24:50 jurov: i know but it's better to competently translate it to french

20:24:59 Apocalyptic: and on the scrolldown chose "Pr?somption d'offre irr?guli?re de produits ou de services financiers"

20:25:05 Naphex: daybyter: java, c, py, whatever i might need

20:25:19 Naphex: but for serious stuff i usually prefer java

20:25:24 daybyter: me too!

20:25:31 Naphex: throw in some C optimizations if things are slow

20:25:36 daybyter: I write trade stuff in java...

20:25:41 Apocalyptic: java...

20:26:29 benkay: ofc a java guy sez to abandon haskell for real world stuff

20:27:05 Apocalyptic: hum bitcointalk.org still haven't replaced their SSL cert

20:27:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05689 = 0.512 BTC [+]

20:27:11 daybyter: https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib

20:27:20 MisterE: http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/04/edward-snowden-interview

20:27:20 ozbot: Snowden Speaks: A Vanity Fair Exclusive | Vanity Fair

20:28:44 jurov: Apocalyptic: how do you know? I rerequested them at comodo and they issued them with same date as original ones

20:29:10 Apocalyptic: jurov, that's weird

20:29:13 Diablo-D3: Apocalyptic: almost all of them dont change the date on the new ones

20:29:22 Apocalyptic: i assumed they would indeed update the date

20:29:59 Diablo-D3: why would they do something that makes sense

20:30:53 nubbins`: kako dat gif

20:35:45 nubbins`: " In response to whispers in the intelligence community that Snowden has “a doomsday cache” in his possession, Snowden retorts, “Who would set up a system that incentivizes others to kill them?”"

20:35:49 nubbins`: lel, +1

20:38:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056 = 0.112 BTC [-]

20:41:54 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiArBwMnTA

20:41:55 ozbot: The Birthday Party - King Ink Live LIVE - YouTube

20:45:33 jurov: http://pastebin.com/mAxugvj9 wooow that was quick

20:45:33 ozbot: Dear Jurov, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com now you talk about complaint on - Pastebin.com

20:45:40 thestringpuller: nubbins`: i want to pay off the rest for that painting

20:45:47 thestringpuller: i know it won't make it to the conference

20:45:54 thestringpuller: but better late than never eh?

20:45:56 thestringpuller: ;D

20:46:30 nubbins`: heh

20:46:34 nubbins`: indeed it is!

20:47:08 BingoBoingo: jurov: Does the dude do anything other than stalk you and make scams?

20:47:46 nubbins`: ;;ticker --last

20:47:47 gribble: 442.06

20:47:55 nubbins`: ;;calc 400/[ticker --last]

20:47:56 gribble: 0.904854544632

20:48:05 nubbins`: ^ :)

20:48:09 jurov: if he stalked me he'd perhaps know i have no gold&silver company

20:48:32 mike_c: amf = sec?

20:48:38 jurov: yes

20:48:44 pankkake: "your shares will be frozen" now, that is actual blackmail

20:48:52 BingoBoingo: jurov: Never suggested he was effectual in it

20:49:06 jurov: yes, that will definitely go into the complaint

20:49:39 jurov: and the shares were almost completely useless since the beginning

20:50:51 jurov: but first, as per recent fraudsters recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it

20:53:03 jurov: "i will inform all shareholders about your doings."

20:53:12 kakobrekla: can we get the same message again, but this time without the shuffle() ?

20:53:13 jurov: lol the more i reread it the funnier it is

20:53:21 nubbins`: about your dongs

20:53:38 jurov: what is shuffled?

20:53:57 kakobrekla: nevermind, its a metajoke

20:54:03 fluffypony: right, bed time

20:54:06 fluffypony: night all

20:54:18 kakobrekla: but i feels good knowing at least someone is reading ze logs

20:54:23 kakobrekla: hi markus!

20:56:15 Apocalyptic: "money laundering like you do with gold &

20:56:17 Apocalyptic: silver company will bring you to prison!" dafuq

20:56:27 Apocalyptic: you're selling precious metals jurov ?

20:56:55 jurov: no, he thinks i'm with company together with forensick (martin)

20:57:06 jurov: but dunno if he actually sells metals, either

20:58:01 Apocalyptic: guy seems to be butthurt and scared pretty bad to write such a piece

20:58:31 jurov: he definitely is

21:02:15 Mats_cd03: fucking lol

21:02:27 Mats_cd03: > you are all only critic the people who are more clever than you!

21:02:53 jurov: --> dotcoin (5d10ab51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.16.171.81) is here ... welcome :)

21:03:06 dotcoin: hello jurov

21:03:19 dotcoin: once more a story from you

21:03:42 Mats_cd03: i hear dotcoin is a qt

21:03:44 dotcoin: tell me why you want file a complaint on AMF

21:04:12 BingoBoingo: Oh, I won't go hungry today. Not with Mr Word Salad here.

21:04:18 Apocalyptic: they're coming dotcoin, it's too late

21:04:43 Mats_cd03: what organization does he operate

21:04:57 jurov: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/new-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse-hedge-fund-btc-hfb.296970/

21:04:58 dotcoin: your name makes me afraid Apolcalyptic

21:04:58 ozbot: New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB" | Bitcointa.lk

21:05:10 jurov: dotcoin if you did not lock your threads on trolltalk, i'd write this in all of them

21:05:15 Mats_cd03: oh yeah this guy

21:05:18 Apocalyptic: dotcoin, that's good

21:05:28 Mats_cd03: dotcoin, be a clever man and cut your losses

21:05:34 jurov: i don't need nor want to explain more

21:05:37 Mats_cd03: you are in shark waters not a kiddie pool

21:06:11 dotcoin: i like funny guys like you

21:06:31 Mats_cd03: youll enjoy a legal battle several years from now and end up indebted to creditors

21:06:41 dotcoin: no eggs and behind a keyboard

21:06:43 Mats_cd03: or maybe you'll just skip go, not collect 200, and go straight to prison

21:06:55 dotcoin: trolls day compled because no work?

21:07:09 Mats_cd03: have a nice day

21:07:58 dotcoin: So waste time here, tell the AMF they can sue me after they have declared Bitcoin as Money or currency, N8 at all

21:08:21 chairman_meow: !jd

21:08:42 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered

21:09:01 pankkake: dooglus stole it all?

21:09:08 chairman_meow: wtf

21:09:45 pankkake: !jd

21:10:06 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered

21:10:14 pankkake: definitively broken

21:10:45 chairman_meow: had a mini heart attack there. thought my coins were gone

21:10:57 mike_c: bang jd breaks when they change IP addresses

21:10:58 chairman_meow: are there any other gambling sites I can invest in?

21:11:18 chairman_meow: I dont wanna put all my coins in just-dive

21:11:24 chairman_meow: *dice

21:11:30 jurov: chairman_meow: how much?

21:11:47 chairman_meow: jurov: it doesnt matter really

21:11:49 pankkake: I tried https://ice-dice.com/ for a while, but I don't really have any reason to trust it

21:12:47 pankkake: a calculator of expected gains would be nice, as each have different invested/volume ratios, I suppose

21:12:54 wao-ender: chairman_meow: let's spin at https://coinroll.it/

21:13:31 chairman_meow: really, the owners of jd can run away with the money and live a good life

21:14:18 daybyter: any designers here interested to help with a smartphone app?

21:14:19 wao-ender: you mean dooglus?

21:14:22 mike_c: well, the invested/volume is constantly changing. you can see historical monthly jd returns here: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/

21:15:26 pankkake: wild idea: create a meta investment arbitraging between dice sites

21:15:32 pankkake: of course, you're adding new risks

21:16:15 chairman_meow: arbitrage between dice sites? how?

21:16:18 mike_c: there's no arbitrage. but you mean just switching like mining pools do?

21:16:37 pankkake: yes

21:17:13 mike_c: JD is 2 orders of magnitude bigger. not sure there's much switching to be done.

21:17:16 thestringpuller: geeze #bitcoin-otc is just full of n00bs these days

21:17:20 pankkake: I see

21:17:20 thestringpuller: what the actual fuck

21:17:42 pankkake: or scammers posing as noobs?

21:18:00 thestringpuller: no otc is to buy/sell btc right

21:18:05 thestringpuller: no one is selling or buying

21:18:10 thestringpuller: they are just in their wanking off

21:18:28 thestringpuller: eternal september?

21:22:07 bounce: http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/06/the-1-new-paid-app-in-the-play-store-costs-4-has-over-10000-downloads-a-4-7-star-rating-and-its-a-total-scam/

21:22:44 bounce: app protects from malware by... er, giving you the ability to set and remove a check mark in a shield?

21:23:25 daybyter: my app could do more...

21:24:12 bounce: but does your app have a 4.7 star rating?

21:24:15 pankkake: I remember some similar windows applications, claimed to speed up your computer etc.

21:24:41 jurov: the monitor cleaner was better

21:24:46 pankkake: placebo applications

21:37:31 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU << that shit's creepy as fuck

21:38:11 chairman_meow: please don't be gayporn

21:39:41 jborkl: well it does kinda look like a goth dude with bib boobs

21:39:46 jborkl: big

21:40:36 mircea_popescu: <jurov> but first, as per recent fraudsters recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it << i'll tweet you.

21:41:10 mircea_popescu: <jurov> what is shuffled? << remember how the logs were messed up on april 1st ? and someone said "omfg the log now reads like the forum" ? well, that.

21:42:00 jurov: yes? i completely missed that up

21:42:13 kakobrekla: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=93

21:42:14 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash

21:43:02 bounce: unintentional correct use of term of art.

21:43:04 mircea_popescu: eval(translate(intoalanguage(<dotcoin> trolls day compled because no work?))) === ?

21:44:53 jborkl: mircea, I have about half of bcoinnews.com redone - see if you think it is too busy when you have a sec

21:45:28 jborkl: If you don't mind :)

21:47:32 mircea_popescu: jborkl http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140409_25_11JA/

21:47:39 mircea_popescu: main problem would be... it takes like a minute to pop.

21:48:10 jborkl: ah ok, I know what to do about that then- thank you

21:48:25 mircea_popescu: also i dunno why you'd recommend anyone upgrade to 9.1. more like downgrade to 6.3 or something.

21:48:55 jborkl: well, anthing before .8 wont work anymore right?

21:48:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-neptune-update/ < i see three boxes around article. any reason ?

21:48:58 ozbot: KNCminer Neptune update | Bitcoin news

21:48:59 mircea_popescu: but otherwise imo much improvement.

21:49:06 mircea_popescu: jborkl .4 works, what, you kidding ?

21:49:25 jborkl: I thought they switched DB and said it was not compatible

21:49:39 jborkl: maybe they just said that

21:50:03 jborkl: never actually tried it to see, oh mining against bitcoind wouldnt work

21:50:16 jborkl: if you did not switch

21:50:28 mircea_popescu: it works just fine, you have to actually add a db config

21:53:47 jborkl: well, I know if you upgraded to the .8? or newer you would then have to dl the old blockchain to use a prior version. I remember it created - anyway I did not know you could still use the old versions

21:53:53 jborkl: very good to know

21:54:52 mircea_popescu: sure you can use them. the last hardfork was made by satoshi himself, if memory serves moving from .3

21:55:15 mircea_popescu: nobody hence perceived he'd have the authority to do so (and rightly)

21:56:00 thestringpuller: so version .9 is completely broken?

21:56:20 thestringpuller: it seems we are better off writing our own bitcoin client at this point...

21:56:31 thestringpuller: ;;google site:fraudsters.com bitcoind

21:56:32 gribble: Bitcoind : not quite ready for prime time pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://fraudsters.com/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time; Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe fraudsters - Un blog de ...: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/; It's called Eulora pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/its-called-eulora

21:59:39 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller more implementations can't hurt.

22:00:07 jborkl: fixed that strangeness with the borders, for some reason WP decided it needed a bunch of <tr> and <td> tags

22:00:17 mircea_popescu: but i wouldn't trust anything coming from the powerfully retarded rangers. they tried to get heartbleed into bitcoin, who knows what else they've baked into there we don't know about.

22:00:20 chairman_meow: !jd

22:00:41 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered

22:00:41 mircea_popescu: might as well just deposit your btc with the local court if you swing that way.

22:00:45 jborkl: well, they did give us the hardfork a year ago..

22:00:56 mircea_popescu: it didn't actually fork tho.

22:01:01 Apocalyptic: mighty hearn did

22:01:26 pankkake: I like this in 0.9: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2121

22:01:30 asciilifeform: if i recall, bitcoind has some relatively 'dirty' (changes in recent years) library deps

22:01:40 asciilifeform: berkeley db?

22:01:41 jborkl: well yes you are correct. it went the wrong direction lol

22:01:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04849999 = 0.291 BTC [+] {3}

22:01:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03540005 = 0.1416 BTC [-] {2}

22:02:07 mircea_popescu: yeah bdb

22:02:20 asciilifeform: 'you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.'

22:02:28 jborkl: iirc it was a block that had over 1000 transaction in it

22:02:52 jborkl: and they didnt test that out first to see what happened

22:04:19 jborkl: Slush took a left and everyone else took a right

22:05:02 chairman_meow: there was summation bug that allowed a transaction to output a truckload of coins

22:05:21 chairman_meow: when it was fixed, the chain was hard forked

22:06:24 mircea_popescu: chairman_meow this in like 2010 tho

22:23:56 jborkl: mircea, I just went ahead and got a VPS

22:24:10 jborkl: I needed root anyway

22:24:57 benkay: asciilifeform: would protobufs be one of those dirty changes?

22:25:30 asciilifeform: quite a few. dig if you like.

22:26:12 asciilifeform: think like enemy. where would you put the surprise egg?

22:27:45 Mats_cd03: in my butt

22:28:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03504 = 0.1752 BTC [-] {3}

22:28:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0485 = 0.2425 BTC [+] {3}

22:28:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2}

22:36:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.00758175 = 0.2502 BTC [+] {6}

22:48:36 jurov: http://explo.yt/post/2014/04/10/BitcoinBeware davout mircea_popescu

22:48:37 ozbot: BitcoinBeware - serialized delusions

22:49:41 pankkake: shouldn't it be "I invested" instead of "I have invested"?

22:50:46 jurov: changed into "I did invest"

22:50:51 jurov: anything else?

22:51:26 pankkake: missing space after December 2013: (always irks me :p)

22:52:24 nubbins`: found some massive scallops in the freezer

22:52:26 Shakespeare: non-existant

22:52:30 Shakespeare: non-existent*

22:52:30 nubbins`: just had an epic dinner with them

22:52:59 nubbins`: ;;google .yt tld

22:53:00 gribble: .yt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.yt; Register .YT Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix Mayotte, Registrar ...: https://iwantmyname.com/domains/yt-mahoran-domain-name-registration-for-mayotte; yt Domains - Domain Who is by 101Domain.com: http://www.101domain.com/yt.htm

22:53:27 nubbins`: well, TIL.

22:55:12 nubbins`: so my friend was over earlier and he showed me this new book he'd bought

22:55:21 nubbins`: it's an exact reprinting of the first edition of the king james bible

22:55:33 nubbins`: complete with typos, typesetting errors, etc

22:55:45 nubbins`: lots of paragraph marks, entire blank pages, etc

22:56:00 nubbins`: apparently this caused no small amount of consternation when first published

22:59:45 jurov: thx pankkake

23:03:23 mike_c: great post jurov. "no one was interested to buy my shares" -> "no one was interested in buying my shares".

23:04:17 jurov: yup

23:04:26 mircea_popescu: btw if we ever actually start a religion, we can have the reincarnation cycle.

23:04:34 mircea_popescu: bad doobies have to hash by hand until they find a block

23:04:36 mircea_popescu: that's nirvana

23:07:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014506 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5}

23:07:22 cgcardona_: Church of Sudo. Cult of the Super User. Order of Root.

23:07:34 cgcardona_: those are some names I've kicked around

23:08:01 cgcardona_: "In Crypto We Trust" "In the BlockChain We Trust" "We are One on the Web"

23:08:20 cgcardona_: (regarding the 'if we ever actually start a religion' comment)

23:08:55 mike_c: I was looking at armory the other day and they mentioned they were never going to cut the cord with bitcoind for fear of creating a fork.

23:09:08 Mats_cd03: hmm s.mpoe is back to 0.000965

23:09:31 mike_c: it seems having a popular alternate client is actually a good opportunity to write a new client by calculating shit yourself and comparing against what bitcoind does.

23:09:54 mike_c: lots of in-the-wild use, meaning lots of test cases

23:10:23 pankkake: and yet it's now storing a whole separate indexed blockchain

23:10:38 pankkake: so bitcoind isn't used for much except read blocks and push txs

23:11:39 mike_c: and it doesn't seem hard to process those yourself, and then see if your code would have done the same thing.

23:11:59 mike_c: if no 'virtual forks' for a year, then presto. new reference client.

23:12:03 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343503.0

23:12:05 ozbot: [ANN] Protocoin - a pure Python Bitcoin protocol implementation

23:13:03 dignork: pankkake, there is pretty usefull SPV electrum client, no bitcoind marriage

23:13:31 pankkake: but I suppose the electrum servers rely on bitcoind

23:13:41 dignork: pankkake, yep

23:15:13 jurov: they are dreaming about rebuilding electrum server on sx, but i don't cross my fingers

23:16:52 jurov: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/454029472757719040 thanks!

23:16:52 ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Jurov sez beware ...

23:22:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11468 @ 0.00096258 = 11.0389 BTC [-] {2}

23:30:59 Duffer1: what do you guys use for IRC?

23:31:19 Duffer1: mirc/xchat?

23:32:28 Azelphur: TIME TO MAKE EVERYONE HATE ME. Pidgin.

23:32:48 Duffer1: "P

23:32:50 Duffer1: :P

23:32:56 dignork: Duffer1, weechat

23:34:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]

23:34:40 thestringpuller: Duffer1: pm

23:35:27 pankkake: irssi, planning to go weechat one day

23:36:49 Duffer1: thanks i'll check them out

23:42:15 Azelphur: In other news, I met some guy today locally because he wants to set up a bitcoin meetup in my area, he's not very techy just interested in coin, he casually mentioned to me he bought a BFL miner and that he plugged the supply into UK mains and blew it and asked if I could help, went and took a look...

23:42:24 Azelphur: turns out he had a BFL SC Single, sitting in the box doing nothing...since November

23:42:31 Azelphur: I still can't believe that just happened

23:43:38 Azelphur: for those not in the know, if he had that running since November, he'd have made about $20k worth of BTC.

23:43:50 Duffer1: did you tell him?

23:43:59 Azelphur: yup

23:44:10 Duffer1: did he cry?

23:44:18 Azelphur: he was just like "Oh well"

23:44:51 Duffer1: poor guy

23:44:57 Azelphur: indeed

23:46:35 Mats_cd03: Duffer1: irccloud is the tits

23:47:21 Duffer1: thanks Mats

23:48:22 mod6: Duffer1: irssi++

23:49:26 mod6: used to use BitchX like 15 years ago or more. finally, after years of people telling me about irssi, switched.

23:51:06 Duffer1: i'm tired of browser IRC, time to get a real program

23:51:46 pankkake: xchat is probably the easiest to start with

23:51:48 mod6: yeah, its nice to get a client running on a *nix host, if for no other reason, you can run it in a screen session and then attach/detach

23:51:49 Mats_cd03: i rather like browser irc, irccloud maintains a persistent connection

23:52:08 Mats_cd03: so its basically screen/irssi without any hassle

23:52:30 Duffer1: but i don't irc anywhere other than my desktop anyways though

23:52:49 Mats_cd03: https://public.bn1.livefilestore.com/y2phoIfiYJoK42afiJxQTf_9u5b01-x2I939I7u32nHqsKxuoOKDwJxl70MjD6CjeetX5FMJxUMStObRmMVApTxFRu49kRktBJO90g9OjqGCSo/IRC%20Cloud%20Channel%20Screenshot%201.png?psid=1&rdrts=71711565

23:52:54 mod6: hassle!?

23:53:10 mod6: no hassle with nix+screen+irssi ;)

23:53:16 Mats_cd03: yes, i find using terminal on my phone tedious

23:53:39 mod6: oh. well, lol.

23:53:44 mod6: get a computer?

23:53:46 pankkake: if you're a heavy irc user, then irssi certainly isn't a hassle

23:53:54 Mats_cd03: (irccloud has an android client)

23:54:10 pankkake: it's also my IM client (through minbif)

23:54:17 Mats_cd03: i know im shilling hard here but seriously its good

23:54:35 Duffer1: hehe

23:54:35 mod6: ive used my screen+irssi via connectbot on my phone a bunch. works for reading stuff, but not so great for conversing. better to just read the log instead.

23:54:43 benkay: (erc)

23:54:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3100 @ 0.0001152 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {4}

23:55:59 dignork: screen+weechat over mosh, absolutely amazing!

23:55:59 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:57:25 dignork: are there any other words that assbot is excited about?

23:57:30 phf: benkay: the only client there is

23:58:09 mod6: omg yikes, an emacs client?!

23:58:21 *: mod6 runs

23:59:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05553388 = 1.1107 BTC [-] {5}