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00:00:37 mircea_popescu: nono, you said!

00:01:12 mircea_popescu: moiety so what are you up to these days

00:01:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3420 @ 0.00087895 = 3.006 BTC [-]

00:01:53 mircea_popescu: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/07/tech/social-media/nsa-coded-tweet/index.html

00:01:53 ozbot: Behind the NSA's mysterious coded tweet - CNN.com

00:02:00 mircea_popescu: kinda derpy pitch

00:03:02 moiety: mircea_popescu, figuring out what to do next with my time really, which is hampered by trying to sort out house things recently. i have a deadline now.

00:03:30 moiety: i thought that re nsa and tweeter, like trying to play like cicada and getting it terribly wrong

00:03:36 mircea_popescu: doesn't sound like so much fun

00:04:04 moiety: not particularly, but it'll all work out :]

00:05:07 moiety: once one thing gets sorted, all the rest will be easier i think

00:07:03 moiety: i work better to deadlines anyways, wee bit of pressure did no one any harm

00:10:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 83 @ 0.041 = 3.403 BTC [-] {2}

00:13:36 BingoBoingo: Oh, anyone want to guess what my blood pressure was today?

00:14:50 mircea_popescu: 212

00:15:42 BingoBoingo: Lower, I'm not Kenneth Slaughter

00:15:46 mircea_popescu: lol

00:17:34 BingoBoingo: Was a healthy 121/66

00:18:39 mircea_popescu: o hey wd.

00:19:31 BingoBoingo: Thanks, Probably all of this damn tramadol keeping it that low.

00:20:22 BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I like this new doctor though, too young.

00:20:30 moiety: thats really good BB :] everything go alright then?

00:20:56 BingoBoingo: Eh, could have gone better, just more of the same for another week and see from there

00:21:15 *: moiety nods

00:21:25 moiety: hope things keep improving

00:21:41 moiety: i don't take well on tramadol at all

00:22:27 BingoBoingo: Eh, NSAIDs weren't doing anything and this does something. They seem to scarcely prescribe much else anymore.

00:23:14 moiety: this is true. it mimics how the body takes to other things. this doesn't translate well in me. tramadol is one of things people either do really well or really badly on.

00:23:36 moiety: tim, the bike crash guy, he loves it

00:24:03 BingoBoingo: I'd rather just go back to drinking, but these antibiotics...

00:24:23 moiety: theres only one antibiotic you cant drink on, its a myth

00:24:35 moiety: it begins with M and i cant remember what it is

00:24:59 BingoBoingo: There's plenty where it is ill advised.

00:25:50 BingoBoingo: Just because there is one building in town that will kill you for sure if you jump from it doesn't mean jumping from the other ones is an idea worth endorsing.

00:29:26 mircea_popescu: !up NormDePloome

00:29:26 assbot: Voicing NormDePloome for 30 minutes.

00:41:18 moiety: BingoBoingo: what i mean is i think the biggest issue is drowsiness. theres only one that will make a person sick -- that i know of

00:59:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-]

01:02:03 kakobrekla: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/winklevoss-twins-to-list-bitcoin-fund-on-nasdaq/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&

01:02:16 kakobrekla: yea yea i know this is old by now

01:03:02 kakobrekla: here a question, you know whats the thing with winklevoss twins and redundancy?

01:03:09 kakobrekla: they both are.

01:06:19 mircea_popescu: lol

01:10:37 kakobrekla: btw

01:10:39 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014#666666

01:10:41 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:10:54 kakobrekla: i just saw the proposition on bbet

01:11:00 mircea_popescu: what's that ?

01:11:07 kakobrekla: >MP takes devil's crown

01:11:23 mircea_popescu: um

01:11:36 mircea_popescu: link ?

01:11:46 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/propositions/

01:11:47 ozbot: BitBet Propositions

01:12:06 mircea_popescu: oh lol

01:12:09 kakobrekla: someone from ba must have made it

01:12:28 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014#666666

01:12:28 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:12:29 mircea_popescu: assbot got it

01:12:34 kakobrekla: yup

01:12:49 mircea_popescu: seems fitting

01:12:52 kakobrekla: well tbh i can make it go either way

01:14:04 mircea_popescu: hm ?

01:14:10 kakobrekla: edit the log

01:14:11 kakobrekla: doh

01:14:16 mircea_popescu: lol

01:14:18 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

01:14:20 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1007.73 B (95%) on Yes, 47.56 B (5%) on No

01:14:25 mircea_popescu: splendid

01:14:31 kakobrekla: this is wrong

01:14:46 kakobrekla: it should be

01:14:46 kakobrekla: <title>BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1007.73 B (95%) on Yes, 47.56 B (5%) on No; closing in 9 months 1 week; weight: 84`057 (100`000 to 1)</title>

01:14:50 kakobrekla: :(

01:14:50 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1007.73 / (1007.73+47.56)

01:14:51 gribble: 0.954931819689

01:15:06 kakobrekla: does ; break it?

01:15:15 kakobrekla: or is there a length limit

01:15:16 mircea_popescu: prolly.

01:15:20 mircea_popescu: replace the ; see

01:15:21 kakobrekla: who owns it again?

01:15:24 mircea_popescu: Jezzz

01:15:29 mircea_popescu: this may actually be a vuln lol.

01:16:43 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

01:16:44 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1007.73 B (95%) on Yes, 47.56 B (5%) on No

01:16:51 kakobrekla: nope

01:17:09 kakobrekla: seems to be length issue or smth

01:17:44 kakobrekla: except if it also breaks on |

01:17:53 kakobrekla: but this, unlikely.

01:18:36 kakobrekla: Jezzz make it fix ?

01:19:44 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/

01:19:45 ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (17%) on Yes, 373.87 B (83%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 week

01:20:12 kakobrekla: myea

01:20:25 thestringpuller: lol i came back to my computer at an interesting time

01:20:27 thestringpuller: har har har

01:20:59 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the newest fraudsters header may be the best yet

01:21:57 nubbins`: ^

01:22:33 nubbins`: when we work out our deal to publish fraudsters excerpts in dead-tree format, that should be on the cover.

01:22:52 thestringpuller: nubbins`! i've been looking for you :P

01:22:59 thestringpuller: i need more quotes and estimates and shit

01:23:23 nubbins`: sure, lay it on me

01:23:33 thestringpuller: ;;ident

01:23:33 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.

01:23:35 thestringpuller: damn

01:23:40 thestringpuller: one sec

01:23:54 nubbins`: me: "why am i so cold?"

01:24:02 nubbins`: "oh yeah, i just gobbled a pint of ice cream"

01:24:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2530 @ 0.00087895 = 2.2237 BTC [-]

01:25:20 thestringpuller: ;;ident

01:25:21 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

01:25:24 thestringpuller: there we go

01:25:38 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's old you know.

01:25:49 thestringpuller: i just haven't been reading fraudsters long enough yet

01:25:55 thestringpuller: either that or you don't do repeats often or ever :P

01:26:08 thestringpuller: but no i did not know that ;)

01:26:09 mircea_popescu: abouyt every 2 yars :D

01:26:51 nubbins`: (pirate years for all ye landlubbers)

01:27:49 mircea_popescu: lol

01:30:02 kakobrekla: http://kotaku.com/japanese-man-arrested-for-having-guns-made-with-a-3d-pr-1573358490

01:30:02 ozbot: Japanese Man Arrested for Having Guns Made with a 3D Printer

01:31:43 nubbins`: illegal shapes

01:32:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.06474168 = 1.0359 BTC [-]

01:33:21 PLambert: did you see the article about the guy who accidently got shipped a drone by US gov? he should have sold it on silkroad :)

01:34:09 PLambert: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2622919/UPS-accidentally-delivers-350K-US-government-DRONE-college-student-ordered-weightlifting-bench.html

01:34:09 ozbot: UPS accidentally delivers a $350K US government DRONE to college student who ordered a weightlifting

01:42:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27822 @ 0.00087895 = 24.4541 BTC [-] {2}

01:48:14 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

01:48:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.55, Best ask: 446.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.45000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 6767.10378919, 24 hour low: 437.61, 24 hour high: 450.08, 24 hour vwap: 443.839985864

01:51:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]

01:53:06 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

01:53:12 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.99, vol: 6766.18252863 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 432.733, vol: 4547.59339 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 443.01, vol: 3414.96020012 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 439.98, vol: 19.02559558 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 441.29475, vol: 2365.35030000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 441.809, vol: 5.98963694 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 442.752, vol: 30.20807873 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

01:54:11 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/08/the_navy_s_new_secure_e_readers_are_called_nerd.html

01:54:11 ozbot: The Navy's new, secure e-readers are called NeRD.

02:01:50 moiety: is it just the uk that keeps bumping up passport prices every five minutes?

02:02:38 moiety: i'll be more to renew than i was in the first place

02:08:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17495 @ 0.0008799 = 15.3939 BTC [+] {2}

02:17:52 dub: !jd mpif

02:17:52 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.99003536 BTC; +0.01152900 BTC (+0.0070%) since last check 10h 41m 29s ago.

02:21:01 TheNewDeal: didn't it start with like 50?

02:21:20 TheNewDeal: or was there a btc/atc combo investment?

02:21:59 Duffer1: 50 is correct

02:22:15 Duffer1: perhaps it was expanded?

02:22:41 Duffer1: a 3x gain seems unlikely

02:26:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00087895 = 5.9329 BTC [-]

02:30:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-]

02:31:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07897949 = 0.158 BTC [+] {2}

02:32:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00087723 = 21.4921 BTC [-] {3}

02:36:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

02:40:58 decimation: "indles, iPads, and other tablets/e-readers are currently forbidden on Navy vessels. They take up space, and, more importantly, can be a security threat because of connectivity points like wi-fi, expandable storage, and USB ports."

02:41:05 decimation: Cargo-cult security

02:41:59 decimation: as long as none of the objects in the area have the evil ports, the security gods shall be pleased and grant us the anti-snowden

02:42:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.0002311 = 0.1156 BTC [-]

02:45:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00087646 = 5.3902 BTC [-]

02:47:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+]

02:55:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

03:03:20 decimation: http://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/robots-and-restaurants/ When rich people do go out to eat, they will not want to be served by robots, so high-end restaurants will still have human waitstaff. As I?ve pointed out before, many people who aren?t born rich will only be able to make money if they have the ability to entertain the rich or make them feel good about themselves.

03:03:21 ozbot: Robots and restaurants | Lion of the Blogosphere

03:10:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0788 = 0.3152 BTC [-]

03:13:52 decimation: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2014/04/26/2003588896/1 I didn't see this linked here yet. $324 million for 64k people = $5k before lawyer's cut

03:13:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.03075268 = 1.2301 BTC [-] {4}

03:13:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00088041 = 10.741 BTC [+]

03:13:55 ozbot: Tech firms agree to settle hiring suit - Taipei Times

03:14:16 TheNewDeal: nice deal

03:14:26 decimation: "Sorry we fixed your wages for years. Have a free macbook"

03:14:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07897498 = 1.2636 BTC [+] {2}

03:17:27 decimation: The ceos all agreed that the lawsuit sucked, and the lawyers agreed to have a payday! The beta engineers, who already accepted years of being screwed, have accepted being screwed again.

03:24:24 decimation: !down

03:24:24 assbot: Need a nickname, decimation.

03:24:41 decimation: !down decimation

03:34:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00087634 = 17.4392 BTC [-] {2}

03:47:26 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1000 @ 0.00021725 = 0.2173 BTC [+]

03:56:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

03:59:52 mircea_popescu: <Duffer1> perhaps it was expanded? >> 50 then 113

04:05:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00087671 = 4.1644 BTC [+]

04:09:48 artifexd: mircea_popescu or kakobrekla Can you straighten me out on some terminology?

04:10:10 kakobrekla: in regards to what

04:10:16 artifexd: Bitbet

04:10:37 kakobrekla: well i can give it a shot

04:10:46 artifexd: A proposition is an unapproved bet, right?

04:10:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12974 @ 0.00088054 = 11.4241 BTC [+] {2}

04:10:56 kakobrekla: yea

04:11:09 artifexd: What is it called after it is approved?

04:11:13 artifexd: A bet?

04:11:15 kakobrekla: yea

04:11:23 artifexd: What do people place on that bet?

04:11:30 kakobrekla: bets :)

04:11:56 artifexd: There's my confusion. Bet refers to the thing being placed and the thing upon which it is placed.

04:12:04 kakobrekla: correct

04:12:21 artifexd: Well... fuck

04:12:33 kakobrekla: its lispy!

04:13:07 artifexd: Do you have different names for them in your database?

04:13:33 kakobrekla: different from what

04:14:21 artifexd: I imagine that there is a database with a table of bets and a table of, uh, bets. Both tables can't be called bets.

04:14:50 TheNewDeal: bets and betbets

04:14:58 artifexd: lol

04:15:37 artifexd: It would fit with the twitter names: BitBets and BitBetsBets

04:15:41 kakobrekla: hehe did you take that from twitter TheNewDeal ?

04:15:47 kakobrekla: hehe

04:16:33 TheNewDeal: getting all the lelz tonight

04:16:34 artifexd: I guess I'll just go with "New bet created" vs "New bet placed"

04:31:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00088119 = 16.3461 BTC [+]

04:31:11 TheNewDeal: tim-tams

04:31:21 tim-tams: thenewdeal hey

04:31:31 TheNewDeal: you came here searching for knowledge?

04:31:44 tim-tams: looking for a sponsor actually haha

04:32:01 TheNewDeal: what exactly is this?

04:32:17 tim-tams: "this" as in the sponsorship?

04:32:22 TheNewDeal: yeahs

04:32:42 tim-tams: I run YouMeAndBTC.com and host the weekly podcast there

04:32:43 TheNewDeal: what would that be

04:32:57 tim-tams: we're headed to a Bitcoin conference and are gonna interview some people

04:33:12 tim-tams: looking for a sponsor who would be mentioned every time we talk about the conference in our show

04:33:25 tim-tams: some banner space included too

04:33:51 TheNewDeal: for how much

04:34:25 tim-tams: our budget for the whole trip is $1400 and I got one sponsor for half that. So $700 more for an equal spot

04:34:37 tim-tams: I can provide a more detailed budget if you so desire

04:34:48 TheNewDeal: not too concerned

04:34:55 TheNewDeal: wheres the conference?

04:35:02 tim-tams: Washington DC

04:35:06 tim-tams: Bitcoin in the Beltway

04:36:46 tim-tams: is that something you'd be interested in? you have a product/service?

04:36:47 TheNewDeal: can I pay like 5$ for you to include a small middle finger dedicated to the Chief of Operations of Butterfly Labs?

04:37:01 tim-tams: haha maybe ;)

04:39:16 mircea_popescu: tim-tams sup ?

04:39:38 mircea_popescu: <artifexd> Well... fuck << talk to english ;/

04:40:01 artifexd: Yeah...

04:40:40 TheNewDeal: charlie shrem is going to be there!

04:41:11 TheNewDeal: fack I'm gonna buy a ticket and go smoke some dope with him

04:42:54 tim-tams: mircea_popescu hey there, would you be interested in a deal like the one described above?

04:43:05 tim-tams: joecool said to contact you

04:43:17 mircea_popescu: i don't know you, why would i give you bitcoin ?

04:43:55 TheNewDeal: i massage very gentle, you give bitcoin

04:45:46 tim-tams: mircea_popescu haha to get your name out there, advertising and such

04:46:07 tim-tams: we're hoping to interview some people, and we'll definitely talk about the presentations a ton on the show

04:46:16 tim-tams: you'll be mentioned every time

04:46:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00087877 = 28.4721 BTC [-]

04:47:38 mircea_popescu: ;;ident tim-tams

04:47:38 gribble: Nick 'tim-tams', with hostmask 'tim-tams!~pi@pool-108-17-65-93.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'tim-tams', with GPG key id 3C45E4F1E6017AD9, key fingerprint 0EB2043388023608246A68E83C45E4F1E6017AD9, and bitcoin address 188tePebVzHGniSWuh2azFpmQkrSVrn39H

04:48:53 mircea_popescu: to... get my name out there ?

04:49:09 mircea_popescu: what show.

04:49:16 tim-tams: YouMeAndBTC.com

04:49:23 tim-tams: we have a weekly podcast

04:50:02 tim-tams: I was expecting the sponsorship to be a form of advertising but if you'd rather just sponsor us because you think it's a good use of your money (which it would be ;) ) then we're ok with that haha

04:50:57 mircea_popescu: your blog got 0 comments the past month. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKw7dwBSnG0 < you get like... 72 views ?

04:51:21 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << look here.

04:51:22 ozbot: Awstats and stuff pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:52:01 mircea_popescu: in order for you to advertise me you have to have more media exposure than me, not vice-versa.

04:52:53 tim-tams: yeah that makes sense, understandable, you're right, we're not very big, somewhat new

04:53:27 mircea_popescu: enthusiasm is good, don't get me wrong, but you're not there yet.

04:54:20 tim-tams: yeah no problem, you're right, we definitely need to grow

05:02:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087877 = 10.8967 BTC [-]

05:14:39 benkay: so this is prrrrrrrty funny: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014&bots=true#666666

05:15:23 benkay: oh it's assbot and i'm late to the party again

05:18:53 benkay: <kakobrekla> its lispy! // gtfo

05:24:26 kakobrekla: :)

05:38:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]

05:46:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34988 @ 0.00087934 = 30.7663 BTC [+] {3}

05:47:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27345 @ 0.00088189 = 24.1153 BTC [+] {2}

05:54:09 BingoBoingo: tim-tams: Do you have any experience with Charity fundraising?

05:58:08 BingoBoingo: tim-tams: If you do manage to get the funds for this thing I'll sponsor some efforts of yours to raise awareness for a very important charity

05:58:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00087753 = 11.1885 BTC [-] {2}

05:59:59 tim-tams: BingoBoingo no experience but yes, we'd love to do some charity work

06:00:14 tim-tams: what did you have in mind?

06:01:08 BingoBoingo: tim-tams: The Charity is my left nut. It learned to kick itself. I want other people to know the fear I have. That their testicals too can learn to kick themselves.

06:01:47 tim-tams: sounds awesome haha

06:02:45 tim-tams: we've been supporting that cause for years

06:03:00 BingoBoingo: I wish I had a third nut, so I could just tell this left one to STFU.

06:06:22 Naphex: morning

06:06:33 BingoBoingo: Morning Naphex

06:07:04 Naphex: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ woot we just passed justcoin in 30day vol:D

06:07:06 ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets

06:08:18 BingoBoingo: Nice

06:08:46 Naphex: aye

06:23:03 fluffypony: Naphex: and you didn't have any 300 000 EUR transactions in your order book!

06:25:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087668 = 9.3805 BTC [-] {2}

06:25:04 Naphex: hehe, yes, saw the price on bitcoinaverage yesterday :)0

06:34:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0789999 = 1.58 BTC [-]

06:35:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 48 @ 0.041 = 1.968 BTC [-]

06:35:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]

06:36:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.079 = 1.264 BTC [+] {2}

06:47:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.079 = 0.158 BTC [+]

06:49:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22112 @ 0.00087632 = 19.3772 BTC [-] {2}

06:52:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

07:11:35 BingoBoingo: http://hashfast.com/on-why-were-not-scammers/

07:20:02 Naphex: people should just buying pre-orders

07:20:03 Naphex: its dum

07:29:29 BingoBoingo: Well, how long did people play Gox?

07:32:56 pankkake: BingoBoingo: the URL is funny enough

07:33:09 pankkake: mtgox.com/why-we-are-solvent

07:35:52 pankkake: artifexd: maybe use bet and wager

07:37:08 fluffypony: lol

07:49:20 BingoBoingo: !up paxtoncamaro91

07:49:20 assbot: Voicing paxtoncamaro91 for 30 minutes.

08:01:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0789999 = 0.79 BTC [-]

08:04:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1817 @ 0.00012755 = 0.2318 BTC [-] {3}

08:05:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3531 @ 0.00012738 = 0.4498 BTC [-] {4}

08:06:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2273 @ 0.00012644 = 0.2874 BTC [-] {3}

08:08:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07899999 = 1.027 BTC [+] {2}

08:09:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.041 = 0.533 BTC [-]

08:35:16 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/Lf20fUa.jpg

08:36:08 Naphex: lol

08:39:46 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/25398n/samuel_l_jackson_crusades_to_kick_cancer_in_the/

08:39:57 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: you and Samuel L Jackson have similar goals

08:40:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10505 @ 0.00088111 = 9.2561 BTC [+]

08:46:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0310001 = 0.465 BTC [-]

08:46:21 Naphex: !up twizt

08:46:21 assbot: Insufficient rights, Naphex, !up yourself on PM first.

08:46:26 Naphex: pff

08:46:27 Naphex: ;ident

08:48:30 Naphex: !up twizt

08:48:30 assbot: Insufficient rights, Naphex, !up yourself on PM first.

08:48:35 Naphex: !up

08:48:35 assbot: Need a nickname, Naphex.

08:49:37 pankkake: eh, you have the same success rate as me yesterday

08:50:18 fluffypony: !up twizt

08:50:18 assbot: Voicing twizt for 30 minutes.

08:50:27 twizt: ty so much trouble

08:50:28 twizt: lol

08:53:40 pankkake: ;;gpg info twizt

08:53:40 gribble: User 'twizt', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1AimBm6kNoYu1jTrqFWPBewhw9phMA8Prp, registered on Fri Jan 31 11:04:43 2014, last authed on Tue Apr 29 02:06:58 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=twizt . Currently not authenticated.

08:54:57 twizt: y u checking me out bro

08:55:02 twizt: lol

08:56:12 fluffypony: twizt: pankkake is the #bitcoin-assets police detective

08:56:18 fluffypony: he'll hunt you down, yo

08:56:19 pankkake: lol

08:57:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00088149 = 4.2312 BTC [+] {2}

08:57:52 pankkake: !t m mpif

08:57:52 assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.

08:57:55 pankkake: !t m s.mpif

08:57:56 assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?

08:58:04 pankkake: !t m f.mpif

08:58:04 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (1000 shares, 0.22 BTC), 7D: 0.0002155 / 0.00021722 / 0.00021725 (37494 shares, 8.14 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.00021509 / 0.00021725 (1053350 shares, 226.57 BTC)

08:58:10 pankkake: !jd mpif

08:58:10 assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.00874758 BTC; +0.01871222 BTC (+0.0114%) since last check 6h 40m 18s ago.

09:13:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 37 @ 0.0425 = 1.5725 BTC [+]

09:15:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.031635 = 0.2214 BTC [+]

09:20:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19799 @ 0.00088208 = 17.4643 BTC [+]

09:37:47 jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dividends?

09:37:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

09:37:56 jurov: later all

09:38:29 Naphex: later jurov

09:40:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00088208 = 5.8217 BTC [+]

09:52:36 Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KkCnxooho

09:52:36 ozbot: BitCologne Introduction - YouTube

09:52:38 Naphex: lol

09:57:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

09:59:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00088241 = 17.207 BTC [+] {2}

10:02:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 437 @ 0.00089017 = 0.389 BTC [-] {2}

10:12:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14251 @ 0.00088255 = 12.5772 BTC [+]

10:13:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4049 @ 0.00088378 = 3.5784 BTC [+]

10:17:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22471 @ 0.00088381 = 19.8601 BTC [+] {2}

10:40:03 mircea_popescu: jurov yes, today.

10:41:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

10:41:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 693 @ 0.00022828 = 0.1582 BTC [-] {4}

10:42:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0310001 = 0.155 BTC [+]

10:49:50 fluffypony: Naphex: I couldn't make it through that video

10:50:01 fluffypony: Naphex: they lost me at "made for peer to peer interaction"

10:52:14 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

10:52:15 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.8, Best ask: 446.96, Bid-ask spread: 2.16000, Last trade: 444.8, 24 hour volume: 6086.20975405, 24 hour low: 437.61, 24 hour high: 449.96, 24 hour vwap: 443.295460436

10:55:44 mircea_popescu: "One-third of World Bank Policy Reports Have Never Ever Been Read Online, By Anyone"

10:56:13 mircea_popescu: time to start seriously discussing the irrelevance of the world bank. perhaps it's time it just goes away, as it has little chance of being folded into mpex.

10:56:14 fluffypony: hah hah

10:56:33 fluffypony: data relevancy

10:56:35 fluffypony: *dat

10:57:29 mircea_popescu: "All females regardless of race are to be inspected by a UK Border Force doctor for FGM. Passports will be stamped to mark childs FGM status."

10:57:40 mircea_popescu: lmao perhaps it could just move to the uk and stay there.

10:58:22 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnFogbgCUAAmfIP.jpg >> particularly productive twitter today

11:06:33 mircea_popescu: http://www.stripes.com/news/blue-ridge-encounters-chinese-ships-near-disputed-isle-1.282222

11:06:34 ozbot: Blue Ridge encounters Chinese ships near disputed isle - News - Stripes

11:07:12 mircea_popescu: some online news outlets to label the encounter a confrontation, which 7th Fleet officials disputed Friday.

11:07:12 mircea_popescu: USS Blue Ridge, the Japan-based 7th Fleet?s flagship, transited without incident near the two ships, Navy officials said.

11:07:12 mircea_popescu: All parties acted professionally, said 7th Fleet spokesman Cmdr. William Marks, who is embarked aboard Blue Ridge.

11:07:12 mircea_popescu: ?There wasn?t any communication [with the Chinese] due to both Blue Ridge and its helicopter being a safe distance away,? Marks said.

11:07:33 mircea_popescu: it wasn't a confrontation : we stayed the fuck away from them, so there was no need for them to beat our living daylights out.

11:11:48 Naphex: damn eMag always messes up my shit

11:12:10 Naphex: ordered a whole pc, had to split the order so they can deliver stuff they had on inventory

11:12:24 Naphex: everything arrived, except the pc parts

11:12:36 Naphex: what am i going to do with a cooler and a PSU the whole weekend ;(

11:12:53 mircea_popescu: start an aquarium ?

11:13:12 Naphex: eh

11:13:16 Naphex: too boring :p

11:13:18 mircea_popescu: anyway, this is fascinating, i never met an emag customer before.

11:13:21 mircea_popescu: so you guys actually exist ?

11:13:43 Naphex: yeah, i get suckered in into ordering stuff

11:13:55 Naphex: every year or so, then i order it and regret it while i wait for stuff for weeks

11:15:09 Naphex: there are no local stores that carry anything high end over here

11:15:14 Naphex: so its either emag or its cousins

11:17:04 mircea_popescu: believe it or not,

11:17:07 mircea_popescu: ;;google fraudsters emag

11:17:07 gribble: Ianuarie 2010 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2010/01; Noiembrie 2009 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2009/11; Septembrie 2011 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2011/09

11:19:10 Naphex: anyway emag is a big PoS

11:19:20 Naphex: all of my orders were above 3k$usd since ever

11:19:20 mircea_popescu: aye

11:19:26 Naphex: never ever did they deliver on time or 'right'

11:20:12 Naphex: not to mention they wanted me to wire the money this last time

11:20:27 Naphex: and they still didn't register the payment sent 3 days ago!:(

11:20:51 Naphex: orders were maid and paid on monday, now its friday and all i have is a cooler+PSU.

11:20:55 Naphex: which were suposed to get here last

11:20:56 Naphex: :)

11:22:43 Naphex: EMAG sunt mai mult decat impostori. Sunt m*****i numai prin faptul pe care l-au facut. Numai incompetenti.

11:22:46 Naphex: whats that swear word?

11:23:00 fluffypony: mFUCKi

11:23:03 fluffypony: *guesses

11:23:04 Naphex: :))

11:23:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share

11:24:15 mircea_popescu: muisti ?

11:24:39 mircea_popescu: nu intra. hm... jucam rebus aici lol.

11:24:45 Naphex: hehe

11:25:47 mircea_popescu: muisti = cocksuckers in romanian. a very economic language, needs fewer letters for the concept. also reflective of the fact that romanian women are on average better trained & moar experienced with it so it doesn't take as long.

11:25:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]

11:27:36 mircea_popescu: Naphex: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/ woot we just passed justcoin in 30day vol:D << lol he's playing racecars on btccharts

11:27:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.079 = 2.37 BTC [+]

11:28:00 Naphex: hehe aye, was a good day yesterday

11:28:19 Naphex: although there was a 120 wall at 1340

11:30:39 mircea_popescu: wait.

11:30:52 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1340/443.295460436

11:30:52 gribble: 3.02281462274

11:31:04 mircea_popescu: isn't the usd like 3.20 or so ?

11:31:28 Naphex: 3.12

11:31:32 Naphex: or 3.28

11:31:34 mircea_popescu: holy shit.

11:31:36 mircea_popescu: hm

11:31:42 mircea_popescu: ;;google ron usd rate

11:31:43 gribble: USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDRON:CUR; USD to RON - The Money Converter: http://themoneyconverter.com/USD/RON.aspx; Convert Romanian Lei (RON) and United States Dollars (USD ...: http://coinmill.com/RON_USD.html

11:31:52 mircea_popescu: dude gogle you're so fucken useless.

11:31:56 Naphex: ;;google 1 usd in ron

11:31:57 gribble: USD to RON - The Money Converter: http://themoneyconverter.com/USD/RON.aspx; USD/RON - The Money Converter: http://themoneyconverter.com/RON/USD.aspx; USD to RON Exchange Rate - Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USDRON:CUR

11:32:07 Naphex: doesn't look like gribble parses google calc

11:32:29 mircea_popescu: 3.21 dood.

11:32:51 mircea_popescu: prev close 3.20.

11:34:04 Naphex: http://www.bitcoincharts.com/markets/btcxchangeRON_trades.html

11:34:05 ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets / btcxchangeRON

11:35:33 mircea_popescu: 1284 trading even.

11:35:54 mircea_popescu: i wonder how long the local fucktards realise there's a 10% arb hole available.

11:36:11 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1284/443.295460436/ 3.21

11:36:11 gribble: 0.902332723206

11:37:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00088369 = 8.0858 BTC [-] {2}

11:40:40 Naphex: they realize i think

11:40:55 Naphex: but there is no patience,

11:41:00 Naphex: most people come in and exit

11:41:41 Naphex: yesterday was straight wall for most the day/night. 120 @ 1342 , 1344

11:41:44 mircea_popescu: Naphex no but i mean the derps that pretend like they're bankers and bvb traders and whatnot

11:42:02 mircea_popescu: meanwhile making 5k a month or something.

11:57:43 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you mean the crowd that self-identify as "ibankers" ? :-P

11:59:38 mircea_popescu: fluffypony sort-of. these guys : http://fraudsters.com/2012/doua-poze-mii-de-cuvinte-milioane-de-lei/

12:00:51 mircea_popescu: bursa de valori bucuresti = romanian stock exchange

12:00:59 Naphex: quality stuff:)

12:01:02 Naphex: SIF SIF SIF

12:01:09 fluffypony: lol Google Translate

12:01:10 fluffypony: "robot servant in channel responds as follows"

12:01:10 Naphex: and tradeville ;o

12:01:27 mircea_popescu: Naphex back then, like 90% of the entire market cap was this one austrian conglomerate.

12:02:07 mircea_popescu: (which was, of course, listed on vse)

12:03:09 Naphex: http://www.bvb.ro/ListedCompanies/SecurityDetail.aspx?s=SIF3

12:03:11 ozbot: Bursa de Valori Bucuresti

12:03:36 pankkake: aspx, serious bizness

12:04:27 Naphex: Misiune

12:04:28 Naphex: transformarea Bursei de Valori Bucuresti intr-unul dintre cele mai active instrumente de finantare a economiei din Romania

12:04:42 mircea_popescu: :D

12:04:46 pankkake: Naphex: so why do you order from this emag thing if it sucks?

12:05:06 mircea_popescu: pankkake because he's assburgers and can't drive 50 miles to fucking vienna to buy the stuff off the shelf

12:05:11 mircea_popescu: he has to order from chisinev

12:05:15 Naphex: yeah exactly

12:05:17 pankkake: eww buying pc parts of the shelf?!

12:05:21 mircea_popescu: yes.

12:05:24 Naphex: and i was hoping to get it 2nd day

12:05:32 pankkake: so more practical to order online

12:05:38 mircea_popescu: no, it's not.

12:05:57 pankkake: though once I tried to save a few euros and ordered from multiple retailers, wasn't worth it

12:06:21 mircea_popescu: unless you have an actual provisioning contract with penalties for delays and misdelivery,

12:06:24 pankkake: anyway, the choice isn't that great in retail

12:06:26 mircea_popescu: the only way is to buy it physically.

12:06:32 mircea_popescu: not retail dood.

12:06:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.0008842 = 24.0945 BTC [+] {2}

12:08:37 mircea_popescu: !up chetty

12:08:37 assbot: Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.

12:08:39 mircea_popescu: http://www.aristofashion.com/shop/images/01_04_womens_mohair_outfit_L_45002.jpg

12:08:41 chetty: doods, always buy off the self, security. random stuffs is safer

12:09:20 chetty: god I bet that feels nice to wear

12:09:39 mircea_popescu: a bitch to wash prolly

12:10:32 davout: mircea_popescu: when i'm done with her sure

12:11:02 mircea_popescu: lmao

12:12:04 davout: unless some soupeur comes along ofc

12:12:10 fluffypony: lawls

12:12:17 *: fluffypony introduces davout to bleach

12:12:38 davout: "Dans son autobiographie One two two3, l'ex-prostituée Fabienne Jamet évoque ainsi cette pratique : « À l'époque où je dirigeais le 122, j'avais un soupeur qui me prenait trente à quarante foutres à chaque visite »4."

12:12:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00447929 = 0.4479 BTC [-]

12:12:48 davout: sauce : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soupeur

12:12:53 mircea_popescu: wait what

12:13:08 mircea_popescu: pratiqu?es g?n?ralement par des hommes du Marais de la rue Sainte-Anastase

12:13:09 davout: "On a également désigné par ce mot des individus fréquentant les maisons de prostitution, et qui prenaient plaisir à consommer généralement à même le sexe féminin la semence abandonnée par les clients précédents (ces individus étaient souvent impuissants). D'autres appellations existent pour qualifier cet acte, comme « faire dînette »."

12:13:11 mircea_popescu: god help us

12:14:10 fluffypony: "The term soupeur means and first of all individuals who take pleasure in eating food soaked in the urine of others"

12:14:11 mircea_popescu: i think in english that's rolled into cuckolding

12:14:14 fluffypony: well

12:14:15 fluffypony: there's that

12:14:41 fluffypony: right that's enough fr.wikipedia.org for the day

12:14:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [+]

12:15:02 davout: fluffypony: lol

12:15:23 mircea_popescu: frenchies are fucking perverse. why not eat cum like normal people.

12:15:26 mircea_popescu: !up lolo

12:15:26 assbot: Voicing lolo for 30 minutes.

12:16:38 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600628.msg6630862#msg6630862

12:16:40 ozbot: BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today

12:16:41 Naphex: http://www.paymentssource.com/news/bitcoinwallet-aims-to-make-digital-currency-more-social-transparent-3017836-1.html

12:16:42 ozbot: BitcoinWallet Aims to Make Digital Currency More Social, Transparent|PaymentsSource

12:16:43 mircea_popescu: Duminica, 26 August, Anul 4 (ie, 2012) : ron/usd = 3.58199 ; Today 9 May 2014 : ron/usd = 3.21055

12:16:44 Naphex: owner has a suit!

12:16:47 fluffypony: "We are currently duel listed on https://cryptostocks.com/securities/126 and bitcoin Bourse and shares are exchangeable between the two."

12:17:00 mircea_popescu: think about that! in the past couple of years, the dollar has lost ground AGAINST THE ROMANIAN LEU

12:17:12 pankkake: duel listing, I like it. FIGHT!

12:17:20 fluffypony: pankkake: ikr

12:17:24 fluffypony: who needs a 3VPO

12:17:29 fluffypony: when you can have...a DUELVPO

12:17:38 fluffypony: to the death!

12:17:53 pankkake: oh it's CryptoVest which does… something. I haven't figured out yet

12:17:58 Naphex: ah MrDunne

12:17:59 fluffypony: Naphex: with that smile I wouldn't trust him further than I could throw him

12:18:02 pankkake: "Just Real Opportunity!" :|

12:18:05 mircea_popescu: "Not to go all off-topic, but another alternative is that you could just conclude that with very few exceptions, the entire Bitcoin securities universe is currently populated with junk -- and not even bother."

12:18:09 mircea_popescu: sez doctor foreskinhead.

12:18:28 mircea_popescu: "If, instead of treating their BTC like play money and throwing it into this kind of junk, folks just took a portion of their available dollars and invested that capital into random selections from the S&P 500, they would likely do much, much better."

12:18:47 mircea_popescu: someone needs to hit him over the head with the http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/

12:18:57 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he's not wrong, assuming he's referring to the "stock" on BitcoinBourse and CryptoStocks

12:18:59 fluffypony: in fact

12:19:05 pankkake: well he's right that most are junk

12:19:12 fluffypony: you could bury the money as cash in the ground and dig it up over 5 years

12:19:15 fluffypony: *after

12:19:17 Apocalyptic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPZ58dzjfE // may be relevant

12:19:17 ozbot: Hayman Global Outlook Pitfalls and Opportunities for 2014 by Kyle Bass - YouTube

12:19:24 mircea_popescu: he got trampled to shit by mpoe-pr for being a fucktard, rather than admit he;'s a fucktard he prefers to claim "it was impossible anyway":

12:19:35 fluffypony: and whatever hasn't decomposed would still be more than investing in BitcoinBourse stocks

12:19:41 Apocalyptic: I like how the first question he's asked is "what do you think about bitcoin", despite it not being mentionned at all

12:19:41 mircea_popescu: sure.

12:19:46 Apocalyptic: he took the Buffet way out

12:20:22 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic re buffett : i chuckled at the recent sacking of that wsj reporter over calling buffet a hypocrite for no good reason.

12:20:30 fluffypony: anyway I was writing a blog post about the fucktards that are Coinbase before getting distracted by this, I'ma finish it

12:20:35 mircea_popescu: somehow they think the strategy involved is not transparent as glass, i have no idea why.

12:21:03 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu re Kyle Bass, he is saying in that presentation that Argentina is the best country to invest in for the following years

12:21:22 mircea_popescu: unsurprising.

12:21:38 Naphex: well BB might just get 0dayd with all those PHP scripts they run

12:21:51 pankkake: fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg6620628#msg6620628 if this guy really works for coinbase… :/

12:22:26 fluffypony: pankkake: his reply is what triggered the blog post I'm writing

12:22:37 fluffypony: or more specifically zumzero's backing

12:22:40 fluffypony: "Hmmmn, tricky. Go with the new poster whose first post started with a personal insult or take the advice and recommendation from an established and respected shareholder? What will Ken do? Tricky."

12:22:51 pankkake: I'm not sure what he even meant by that

12:22:58 pankkake: and who the RESPECTED shareholder is

12:23:17 fluffypony: pankkake: apparently my advice is worthless because I implied Ken hired an incompetent "project manager"

12:23:32 fluffypony: and Jasun7211's advice is golden because he's the *respektud sharezholder*

12:23:48 fluffypony: so he would never look out for himself

12:24:25 pankkake: also, lol at not using BitPay because they are "in bed with BFL"

12:24:54 mircea_popescu: fluffypony yes man, that's how it works. take dr foreskin : he does something stupid. he's publicly told just how stupid he is. he moves on to claiming that THE WORLD IS BROKEN

12:25:07 mircea_popescu: anything. anything whatsoever.

12:25:09 fluffypony: lol

12:25:45 mircea_popescu: anyway, basically fluffypony is sorta moving into a mpoe-pr 2.0 role here ?

12:25:49 mircea_popescu: curious how long that'll last.

12:25:58 fluffypony: I actually don't know how mpoe-pr/hanbot lasted as long as she did without quitting, I wouldn't have lasted more than a month

12:26:06 fluffypony: oh well yes, exactly

12:26:07 mircea_popescu: she's a woman.

12:26:16 mircea_popescu: i know what i do when i discriminate.

12:26:27 pankkake: I lasted in the forums because there wasn't much else I could do of my days

12:26:53 pankkake: insulting people on the internet was the bonus

12:27:05 mircea_popescu: you can only insult the willing.

12:27:18 pankkake: so what's your excuse, fluffypony?

12:27:18 mircea_popescu: i guess the rest you could rape...

12:27:23 pankkake: lol

12:29:44 fluffypony: pankkake: trolling is fun :)

12:29:50 fluffypony: seriously tho

12:30:05 fluffypony: I think there are some guys that want to do things in a way that is successful

12:30:15 fluffypony: and need a bit of testing-with-fire

12:30:35 fluffypony: so I don't mind offering constructive criticism where I can

12:31:58 mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/9oWAUaZ_XZE << let's play guess the camho's age.

12:31:58 ozbot: CE FACEM CAND INVATAM ? - YouTube

12:32:18 bounce: OVER 9000!

12:32:50 mircea_popescu: no, it's under 9k

12:33:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008838 = 2.6514 BTC [-]

12:39:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 150 @ 0.041 = 6.15 BTC [-]

12:39:22 Naphex: i'll go with 17

12:40:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0770001 = 0.77 BTC [-]

12:41:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0789899 = 0.7899 BTC [+]

12:41:26 fluffypony: yeah looks like jailbait

12:41:32 fluffypony: except not pretty enough to be jailbait

12:42:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07899 = 0.7899 BTC [+]

12:43:19 mircea_popescu: yeah. she's 14ish

12:56:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.0310001 = 0.744 BTC [+]

13:01:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22379 @ 0.00088231 = 19.7452 BTC [-] {3}

13:02:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1821 @ 0.00087978 = 1.6021 BTC [-]

13:12:24 bounce: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/apple-said-to-be-in-talks-to-buy-beats-for-3-2-billion/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

13:12:41 bounce: how the fsck is a novelty headphone brand worth 3.2bn dollahs?

13:13:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23315 @ 0.00087961 = 20.5081 BTC [-] {2}

13:14:30 fluffypony: bounce: they've got a wide market

13:14:43 fluffypony: it's one of those "if you're cool you own a pair" products

13:14:59 fluffypony: they'll lose ground in a few years, but right now they're a hot commodity

13:16:45 fluffypony: if it happens it seems to be a marketing exercise for Apple - they could certainly compete from a branding and quality perspective, but they're losing their "cool and hip" image

13:17:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65838 @ 0.0008852 = 58.2798 BTC [+] {5}

13:18:18 fluffypony: dat patent: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/09/amazon_granted_patent_for_taking_photos_against_a_white_background

13:18:39 bounce: apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim

13:18:50 pankkake: https://i.4cdn.org/g/1399623210961.jpg related

13:19:28 bounce: but apple always made its own. it's to be seen if they can manage someone else's thing

13:20:33 fluffypony: bounce: yeah, I get the feeling that they're worried about losing ground in that space without Jobs

13:21:21 bounce: they're pretty headless right now. the rest runs pretty well -- cook is (I'm told) very good at the whole supply chain thing

13:21:42 fluffypony: pankkake: who is that? that's the nerd equivalent of someone taking a picture of themselves standing next to a Nissan 350Z (when they're probably 3 mths behind on payments) and putting it on Facebook to impress everyone with his lavish riches

13:22:17 pankkake: fluffypony: it's unknown, but it's a /g/ meme. these last days it's even better than usual obviously

13:22:33 fluffypony: bounce: yeah he seems to be good at managing the company and keeping it profitable and smooth, but he doesn't seem to have the requisite insight and vision

13:22:35 fluffypony: time will tell

13:23:13 pankkake: s/insight and vision/delusionist skills/

13:24:40 *: bounce could do the vision thing, blackberry style. -- that basically was a company with one customer, the boss. making something that blind-sides the hipsters, repeatedly, well, few can do that.

13:26:51 bounce: the thing is, apple is sitting on an ungodly pile of money, without much in the way of ideas

13:27:31 Naphex: get money spend money no money?

13:28:05 pankkake: buy starbucks

13:28:07 fluffypony: pankkake: nah, Jobs had insight and vision into what people (generally) wanted before they even knew they want it

13:28:12 Apocalyptic: Naphex, they have nothing to spend it on

13:28:14 fluffypony: the dude was smart that way

13:28:30 Naphex: meh. jobs just hyped people

13:28:34 Naphex: Look a computer in a phone

13:28:46 Naphex: sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit

13:28:55 pankkake: how many bought an iThing and don't even use it?

13:29:11 Apocalyptic: dem hipsters

13:29:15 bounce: dunno. any market research into it?

13:29:34 bounce: though probably not exlusively to nor blamable on apple

13:30:20 pankkake: jobs sold the ipad to the press, as the thing that would save them

13:30:49 pankkake: it didn't work at all, but they hyped the ipad before that, hoping it would

13:31:13 bounce: so? plenty large companies do that, and worse. "vaporware"

13:31:23 fluffypony: Naphex: I'm talking more about stuff like the iPad - it wasn't even a particularly novel idea, it was just so well executed that every major exec on the planet seems to have switched 80% of their tasks to their iPad instead of their laptop

13:31:48 Naphex: i never bought an ipad

13:32:22 Naphex: anyway bb, off home

13:32:49 bounce: fairly brilliant marketing move, though I'm not too impressed by the damage

13:33:36 fluffypony: bounce: well think about how something like WhatsApp was valued - it's valuation was based on userbase and potential monetisation right?

13:34:11 fluffypony: something like Beats has both a loyal user base and real revenue streams

13:34:45 pankkake: I wonder why there's no clothing line yet

13:36:04 Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu re vertcoin, I have no idea how big the VTC market is, nor what hashrate the network has

13:36:19 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: I can give you a bit of info on that

13:36:43 Apocalyptic: "Volume 24h: 95.130000 BTC" according to poloniex, but hard to say what the real thing is

13:36:50 fluffypony: http://www.coingecko.com

13:37:16 Apocalyptic: s/poloniex/cryptocoincharts

13:38:47 BigBitz: buying Beats was smart/smooth.

13:38:59 BigBitz: their target market for iPhone is the beat wearing morons.

13:39:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2200 @ 0.00018315 = 0.4029 BTC [-] {12}

13:39:12 BigBitz: They're good headphones, but, at that price they're not good...

13:39:33 BigBitz: Dre becomes 1st hip hop billionaire..

13:39:37 BigBitz: that man has smarts.

13:40:03 BigBitz: Although isn't it Carlye Group and HTC which own most of Beats now-a-days?

13:40:21 fluffypony: yeah I think so

13:40:34 fluffypony: they are good though

13:40:40 BigBitz: was the Apple buy a cash buy?

13:40:42 fluffypony: bought a pair of buds for the wife a few years ago

13:40:55 fluffypony: and she's abused them, yet they're still going

13:40:57 BigBitz: yeah they are good -- just for that kind of coin they are expensive and not THAT good.

13:41:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00085021 = 0.17 BTC [-]

13:41:27 bounce: custom fit earbuds, say

13:41:49 fluffypony: we get these reward points from our bank for swiping and shit, and if you use a bunch of the bank's products you get 40% off at certain stores when spending the points

13:42:00 fluffypony: so I basically got them for "free" with the points

13:42:05 BigBitz: nice.

13:42:06 fluffypony: I don't think I would've paid cash for them

13:42:09 BigBitz: free is good.

13:42:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00087895 = 50.4517 BTC [-] {5}

13:42:19 bounce: you paid for the kickbacks, sure enough

13:42:20 BigBitz: I wouldn't be upset to get a free pair.

13:43:03 fluffypony: bounce: for sure, still nice to get something instead of just getting fisted by the bank :-P

13:43:30 bounce: so you got some lube for getting reamed

13:44:00 fluffypony: bounce: exactly!

13:44:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

13:44:28 bounce: found a book (pdf, really) by some guy who made a sport out of gaming airmiles and getting lifetime platinum diamond whatever status

13:45:14 bounce: kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things

13:45:58 fluffypony: yeah some of those reward systems can be gamed nicely if you're a big enough spender

13:46:30 fluffypony: ok Coinbase rant done

13:46:30 fluffypony: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-05-09/

13:48:50 BigBitz: tl;dr

13:50:11 BigBitz: btw they do charge Merchants; if they're volume is significant.

13:51:00 bounce: unfunny

13:51:19 fluffypony: BigBitz: ah ok - I'll add that in as a sidebar

13:51:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00088605 = 2.8743 BTC [+]

13:52:03 BigBitz: This, too, is antithetical to Bitcoin, but also flies in the face of all logic. Why layer the fees on to ordinary users that could be sending Bitcoin to their mom or their sick cousin? Why not let the merchants carry the cost, since they can write the fees off as a cost-of-doing-business?

13:52:19 BigBitz: Welcome to VISA/AMEX :) ie; end user does not carry th eburden of Merchant Services Charges

13:52:28 BigBitz: however, some refuse to accecpt AMEX based on their larger tx fee.

13:53:09 mike_c: it's no berkshire vs bitcoin, but there are some basketball bets totalling a few bitcoin going now. not too shabby.

13:53:23 BigBitz: did the Berkshire bet "get made" ?

13:55:56 mike_c: well, there was no immaculate conception. how do you mean?

13:56:07 BigBitz: well was the bet made...

13:56:12 BigBitz: like confirmed to be have taken place.

13:56:27 fluffypony: https://neocities.org/blog/the-fcc-is-now-rate-limited

13:56:27 ozbot: The Official NeoCities Blog

13:56:29 pankkake: it's on the bitbet hompepage

13:57:42 BigBitz: "internal IP range" .. not sure if serious ..

13:58:18 fluffypony: BigBitz: https://gist.github.com/kyledrake/e6046644115f185f7af0

13:58:24 fluffypony: they've published the nginx rules

13:58:42 BigBitz: Haha.

13:58:43 BigBitz: Epic.

13:58:45 BigBitz: I like that.

14:05:55 mike_c: 04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks.

14:09:56 ThickAsThieves: I'm here to bitch about fluffypony's coinbase article

14:10:07 fluffypony: oh lordie

14:10:07 mike_c: proceed

14:10:15 *: Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn

14:10:25 mike_c: perhaps a link first?

14:10:34 fluffypony: mike_c: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-05-09/

14:10:41 ThickAsThieves: Well, mostly, you are projecting all your own desires onto a business

14:10:48 Apocalyptic: mike_c, do you even backlog ?

14:11:12 ThickAsThieves: Coinbase has not obligation to be anything to you

14:11:41 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: the article was triggered by a Bitpay vs. Coinbase discussion on the AMC thread

14:11:46 fluffypony: so it's in that context

14:11:55 mike_c: Apocalyptic: i was like an hour before that in catching up. so close :)

14:11:55 fluffypony: I can preface it with that if it'll help

14:11:56 ThickAsThieves: you should set it up differently then

14:12:12 ThickAsThieves: lile"Why I Like BitPay more than Coinbase"

14:12:25 ThickAsThieves: right now you just sound like a bitter customer who didnt get his way

14:12:29 fluffypony: yes but then I sound like a Bitpay shill :-P

14:12:51 bounce: bitcoinpalsucks.com

14:13:01 ThickAsThieves: i'm not even sure there are any real offenses of coinbase mentioned in your post

14:13:11 fluffypony: bounce: http://coinbasefraud.com

14:13:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00088685 = 21.4618 BTC [+] {2}

14:13:53 Apocalyptic: oh yeah the ""high risk transaction" trick

14:13:58 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: k I'll adjust it to preface it better

14:13:59 Apocalyptic: as old as coinbase itself

14:14:05 ThickAsThieves: "Purposely breaking the Bitcoin model is not only irresponsible, but it gives us insight into what Coinbase is trying to achieve."

14:14:10 ThickAsThieves: you make that leap

14:14:13 bounce: "complain to the ceo of bitcoin"

14:14:18 ThickAsThieves: but never establish their offense

14:14:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48661949 = 0.9732 BTC [+]

14:14:44 ThickAsThieves: because they form a bitcoin/fiat money-changing service they are the devil?

14:15:09 mike_c: coinbase is only a scam if you treat it like a daytrading exchange.

14:15:29 mike_c: kinda like if you treat bitbet as a last-second bitcoin faucet.

14:15:31 ThickAsThieves: yeah you dont trade FX at the airport moneychanger now do you?

14:15:59 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: not in and of itself, no - the problem is that they're building a userbase that is intwined in that ecosystem and will struggle to manage their own wallet

14:16:22 fluffypony: they're making their users treat Bitcoin payments like PayPal payments

14:16:40 ThickAsThieves: users are doing it to themselves

14:17:03 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: ok well let's contrast the approaches

14:17:15 princessnell: would you expect those most of those users to use Bitcoin in any other way?

14:17:18 fluffypony: a Coinbase user buys something on a site that uses Bitpay

14:17:31 fluffypony: they're presented with a QR code + Bitcoin URI + address

14:17:35 fluffypony: presumably + BIP 70 in the future

14:17:45 fluffypony: they can still do "wun klick" payments and whatever

14:17:49 fluffypony: and have the money sucked out their bank account

14:17:53 fluffypony: and pay their 1%

14:17:55 ThickAsThieves: also, yknow your Coinbase thinks America is Important section mostly serves as data showing how US is important

14:18:00 bounce: patent violasion!

14:18:39 fluffypony: but they're aware of what's happening and where Bitcoin plays a role in the payment process

14:18:52 fluffypony: vs. a Coinbase customer paying on a Coinbase merchant site

14:19:10 fluffypony: where it's all magical unicorns denominated in USD and money coming out their bank account

14:19:44 mike_c: um, who cares?

14:19:47 ThickAsThieves: maybe a better argument, would be how merchant use of bitcoin is the problem

14:20:05 fluffypony: mike_c: I'm speaking to a specific point ThickAsThieves raised

14:20:36 bounce: UnicornCoin, only valid in combination with RainbowCoin

14:20:40 ThickAsThieves: yeah my point wa a customer can make as many sacrfices as they like to protect their own convenieneces

14:20:57 ThickAsThieves: with the convenience be speed, false sense of security, or ignorance as bliss

14:21:03 mike_c: yes, i think i'm following, but who cares if a user <-> coinbase <-> coinbase merchant transaction doesn't scream bitcoin?

14:21:10 ThickAsThieves: whether the convenience*

14:21:59 mike_c: "Since Coinbase has had their merchant tools rolled out since December 5th, 2012 it’s safe to say that they’re not a new startup."

14:22:13 princessnell: yr absolutely right about the cultural problems that the convenience creates

14:22:16 mike_c: uh.. 1.5 years is pretty dang new :)

14:22:54 bounce: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/05/09/board-election-results-announcement-2/

14:23:04 princessnell: but i wonder if many (most?) coinbase users would have it any other way

14:23:07 ThickAsThieves: princessnell, but what's the flipside? a common cure for stupid?

14:23:31 fluffypony: mike_c: well, isn't part of the entire point of Bitcoin that "he who holds the keys holds the coins"? in other words, users should be encouraged to use Bitcoin in that fashion, anything else (webwallets) deviates from that core principle

14:23:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

14:23:53 ThickAsThieves: there's no "point" of bitcoin

14:23:55 ThickAsThieves: it's a thing

14:24:01 ThickAsThieves: it has no intention

14:24:13 ThickAsThieves: people can use it how they like

14:24:15 bounce: what, no "take the world by storm"?

14:24:17 mike_c: it's cash in your pocket vs. your bank account. cash in your pocket is a convience and subject to mugging.

14:24:27 princessnell: ThickAsThieves: moonsteads!

14:24:43 princessnell: (how do you tag someone by name on IRC?)

14:24:54 mike_c: you just did

14:25:02 bounce: no cash in pocket means chip&pin which in turn exposes the entire checking account

14:25:19 fluffypony: mike_c: I can't agree with that analogy

14:25:23 princessnell: heh, easy. thanks.

14:25:51 princessnell: i think shaming coinbase et al is appropriate. but i think this is a structural problem with demand.

14:25:52 fluffypony: I don't have a better one, but that's not apt enough

14:25:55 mike_c: fluffypony: why? that is exactly how i use it. i purchase, move coins to storage, and use CB for random day-to-day purchase/bets.

14:26:09 mike_c: and basically fully expect someday my balance on CB won't be there.

14:26:50 ThickAsThieves: CB serves certain purposes

14:26:57 ThickAsThieves: and that's okay

14:27:00 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'm going to pull the article for the moment, I'll revisit it when I have time, but weekend is almost here

14:27:12 princessnell: right. but it does prime people in a problematic way.

14:27:19 mike_c: wha?? why would you pull an article that is generating debate?

14:27:57 ThickAsThieves: princessnell i dont think "priming" people should be a concern of coinbase necessarily

14:28:12 ThickAsThieves: nor am i sure it's even relevent

14:28:14 princessnell: ThickAsThieves no, of course not. they are a profit seeking business.

14:28:18 Apocalyptic: fluffypony, don't pull it just because TAT is being a coinbase shill

14:28:23 ThickAsThieves: haha

14:28:25 fluffypony: lol

14:28:26 fluffypony: no no

14:28:30 princessnell: i think path dependencies are relevant

14:28:30 ThickAsThieves: yeah dont pull it

14:28:31 fluffypony: I want to make my arguments clearer

14:28:42 ThickAsThieves: i just think it was a shot from the hip

14:28:54 ThickAsThieves: with better aim you might hit something

14:28:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0324999 = 0.65 BTC [+]

14:28:59 *: fluffypony nods

14:29:09 fluffypony: ok I'll leave it up and then publish an updated one when I get a chance

14:29:16 Apocalyptic: for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit

14:29:34 mike_c: fluffypony: leave it as is, and tell TaT to comment on it if he doesn't like it

14:29:41 mike_c: then respond to the comment

14:29:56 mike_c: then you have a post and a lively comment section!

14:29:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0325 = 0.4875 BTC [+] {2}

14:30:02 ThickAsThieves: we're regulating how to properly take criticism now

14:30:04 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:30:14 mike_c: meta-criticism

14:30:37 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves is too lazy to comment

14:30:37 fluffypony: :-P

14:30:53 ThickAsThieves: well why comment on an article that might change!

14:30:56 ThickAsThieves: ;)

14:31:03 mike_c: if your blog posts don't make people mad you end up with no comments.

14:31:23 ThickAsThieves: really i spoke up, and here, because i care

14:31:32 ThickAsThieves: i was like no fluffy, no!

14:31:33 fluffypony: awwwww

14:31:39 fluffypony: such love <3

14:31:48 fluffypony: ok ok, I'll make my points clearer

14:31:59 fluffypony: *when* I get a chance

14:32:06 fluffypony: and then you can comment on that new article

14:32:07 Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> i was like no fluffy, no! // i like dem fluffy

14:33:02 ThickAsThieves: next article: "TAT is the worst merchanty payment processor article critic ever"

14:33:06 fluffypony: ha hhah

14:33:13 fluffypony: evar

14:33:23 Naphex: https://medium.com/p/cb2f81962c1b pff

14:33:27 Naphex: whats wrong with DNS

14:33:33 Naphex: and vetting it through bitcoin sig

14:34:24 fluffypony: dat low-res header pic

14:34:33 ThickAsThieves: whats wrong is it doesnt inject a new point of failure for the NSA to fuck with

14:35:01 ThickAsThieves: "y keeping the chain code hidden behind the server, we get unlinkability. "

14:35:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]

14:35:20 Naphex: what i proposed and had a working example

14:35:33 ThickAsThieves: "If the chain code ever leaks then all your payments become linkable."

14:35:50 Naphex: is BIp32 hd pub keys, ecdsa signed with root address, then assigned

14:35:55 Naphex: everything in that article is then solved

14:35:56 ThickAsThieves: "First problem: stealth address usage bloats the block chain." fucking hell already

14:36:00 fluffypony: Naphex: so push it as a BIP and get comments on it

14:36:27 Naphex: i am shit at writing docs, better at writing and talking through code

14:36:27 Naphex: :(

14:36:40 fluffypony: Naphex: BIPs don't need much in way of documentation

14:36:46 fluffypony: and once it's up other people will contribute to it

14:36:53 ThickAsThieves: Hearn is on a mission to solve solved problems

14:36:55 fluffypony: (the documentatio, I mean)

14:37:42 Naphex: meh i'll reset up my example with bip32

14:37:43 bounce: what's medium.com on about this time? don't have a tablet so I'm too square to access their hipsteriffic site.

14:37:44 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: lets record a bitcoin rap album

14:37:44 Naphex: and get some comments

14:37:47 Naphex: see where it goes

14:37:57 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin can't rap

14:38:09 thestringpuller: i bet MPOE-PR could rap

14:38:27 fluffypony: I'll rap - I mean, I did say on the AMC thread that I was "dropping the mic"

14:38:30 fluffypony: so restekp.

14:39:06 thestringpuller: Fine ThickAsThieves i'll get some producers myself and make my own bitcoin mix tape :P

14:39:10 ThickAsThieves: i've heard, with my own ears, "bitcoin" rapped in this studio in lyrics, it was embarassing

14:39:33 ThickAsThieves: you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin

14:39:38 ThickAsThieves: instant shill status

14:39:45 fluffypony: ok so what we do is get some samples and rhyming couples recorded

14:39:56 thestringpuller: Got so much crypto wealth, its bad fo niggas health.

14:39:59 fluffypony: and then we hook it up to a "listen to bitcoin" style service

14:40:00 thestringpuller: Boom

14:40:09 thestringpuller: i bet even Kanye could make that sound dope

14:40:36 ThickAsThieves: well mainstream rappers are shills mostly

14:40:38 fluffypony: "[16:40:06] buZz: i noticed orgcoin even has quadminingpools"

14:40:46 fluffypony: mergedmining lulz

14:41:10 ThickAsThieves: hi gais, i'm trying to quantum mine, which pool should i use/

14:41:21 fluffypony: one that supports 4 coins at the same time!

14:41:26 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: who is your favorite rapper?

14:42:29 ThickAsThieves: i probably dont have 1 specific 1

14:42:34 ThickAsThieves: i like Killer Mike

14:42:42 ThickAsThieves: Pharcyde

14:42:52 ThickAsThieves: Dres from Black Sheep

14:43:04 thestringpuller: damn you old

14:43:08 ThickAsThieves: older Kid Cudi

14:43:12 fluffypony: lol

14:43:40 ThickAsThieves: i liek some new people

14:43:45 ThickAsThieves: Action Bronson

14:43:53 ThickAsThieves: I like some Schoolboy Q

14:44:03 ThickAsThieves: Kdot

14:44:20 ThickAsThieves: some Wale stuff is cool

14:44:21 thestringpuller: I think my favorite rapper of all time is Curren$y

14:44:38 thestringpuller: closely followed by Jay-Z

14:44:48 thestringpuller: then Big Daddy Kane

14:44:53 ThickAsThieves: yeah i like Jat Z's second half of his career

14:44:57 ThickAsThieves: Jay*

14:45:17 ThickAsThieves: but i like diff rappers for diff reasons

14:45:27 Naphex: ICE CUBE

14:45:27 ThickAsThieves: like Jay Z's lyrics can be pretty lame

14:45:31 thestringpuller: I honestly think Curren$y would hang out in #bitcoin-assets if he was in bitcoin

14:45:34 ThickAsThieves: but his delivery is on point

14:45:42 Naphex: ICE CUBE

14:45:57 pankkake: xzibit likes merged mining

14:46:00 ThickAsThieves: Kid Cudi sings all his raps, but much replayability

14:46:11 thestringpuller: That's only cause you like Friday Naphex

14:47:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7548 @ 0.000126 = 0.951 BTC [-] {3}

14:48:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.0001255 = 0.1268 BTC [-] {2}

14:48:26 thestringpuller: "Hold on lemme find my lighter...*lighter sound* The engine in the back of my car, I'm clearly in a different tax bracket now dawg"

14:48:51 Naphex: :))

14:49:44 thestringpuller: Wale made a line just for me "Money got me pulling strings, I got that Geppetto dough"

14:49:47 Naphex: nah i'm just oldschool :D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdN6hgxAlyk#t=29

14:51:45 *: ThickAsThieves ponders a "Buy TAT a joint" bitcoin tip button for Amsterdam liveblog.

14:55:37 fluffypony: good idea

14:55:49 thestringpuller: fluffypony

14:56:00 thestringpuller: sounds like a stuffed animal

14:56:23 fluffypony: thestringpuller: http://fluffypony.co.za/images/main.jpg

14:56:31 thestringpuller: SFW?

14:56:35 ThickAsThieves: yes

14:56:53 ThickAsThieves: I see tim-tams is going interviewing in Ams too

14:57:04 thestringpuller: Tim Tams?

14:57:14 fluffypony: thestringpuller: yes, it's a stuffed animal :)

14:57:20 ThickAsThieves: some guy that was in the logs earlier

14:57:32 ThickAsThieves: soliciting for "sponsorships"

14:57:33 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust fluffypony

14:57:33 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013

14:58:45 fluffypony: not authed?

14:58:47 *: fluffypony kicks gribble

14:58:51 thestringpuller: ;;ident

14:58:52 gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None

14:59:19 fluffypony: ;;ident

14:59:19 gribble: Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is identified as user 'fluffypony', with GPG key id 7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, key fingerprint BDA6BD7042B721C467A9759D7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, and bitcoin address 1FAvFCgXBmJ4uV3p1NFzWkkyndH7FJ6Vzx

14:59:20 fluffypony: fixed

14:59:43 thestringpuller: damn i've been in #bitcoin-assets a long time

14:59:45 thestringpuller: 2012

14:59:49 thestringpuller: how does time fly?

15:00:03 thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you?

15:00:50 pankkake: how old are you?

15:01:04 thestringpuller: 26

15:01:14 thestringpuller: dob '88

15:01:19 thestringpuller: :\

15:02:28 fluffypony: wow

15:02:32 fluffypony: I miss my 20s

15:02:40 thestringpuller: i will too!

15:02:43 pankkake: I'm clinging to them

15:02:43 thestringpuller: they are flying before my eyes

15:02:47 thestringpuller: like what the actual fuck

15:03:02 thestringpuller: i don't want to turn into a cranky old man this soon like MP

15:03:06 fluffypony: lol

15:03:26 thestringpuller: i want to spend some time being irresponsible ~_~

15:03:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00088713 = 2.7501 BTC [+]

15:03:34 pankkake: there's no age to be a curmudgeon

15:03:48 ThickAsThieves: <+thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves wtf, am I going to become old like you? /// you will never be as old as me, sorry

15:08:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]

15:13:42 jborkl: MP : You kids get off my lawn!!

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15:24:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.033 = 0.396 BTC [+] {5}

15:27:17 ThickAsThieves: "This is a holiday when all-conquering patriotic force triumphs, when we all feel especially strongly what it means to be true to the Motherland and how important it is to be able to stand up for its interests" "Hurrah!" ~ Guess who said that and when.

15:32:01 mike_c: stalin? either that, or putin said it yesterday?

15:32:28 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: Obama?

15:32:30 fluffypony: :-P

15:32:41 mike_c: US doesn't have a word for motherland though.

15:34:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00088652 = 21.4981 BTC [-] {2}

15:34:06 davout: mike_c: wat

15:34:16 mike_c: wat wat

15:34:20 davout: that's like saying the french don't have a word for entrepreneur

15:34:24 ThickAsThieves: mike_c, yes putin this week

15:34:37 mike_c: w00t, i win

15:35:05 davout: i mean you're saying english doesn't have a word for X, where X is a word, that doesn't sound like you just made it up

15:35:08 mike_c: davout: well, what i mean is the US doesn't have a word that they use like russia uses motherland

15:35:10 davout: I IS CONFUSED

15:35:31 davout: hm

15:35:42 ThickAsThieves: well, nation

15:36:07 ThickAsThieves: or, pursuit of happines

15:36:08 ThickAsThieves: s

15:36:18 pankkake: I thought it was Murica

15:38:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00088608 = 2.1709 BTC [-]

15:38:42 fluffypony: MURKA world polices!

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15:52:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00088608 = 5.2279 BTC [-]

15:53:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

15:55:58 jurov: isn't it homeland?

15:56:07 ThickAsThieves: aha!

15:56:14 ThickAsThieves: yes

15:56:19 ThickAsThieves: or heartland

15:56:22 ThickAsThieves: is another

15:56:29 ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CICv6xV-lSE#t=29

15:56:29 ozbot: Ross Sisters - A Crazy Dance Video From 1944 (Watch After 1:00) - YouTube

16:00:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.71915056 BTC to 8`652 shares, 31428 satoshi per share

16:00:49 ThickAsThieves: how did that gay kid fare in th nfl draft?

16:01:50 ThickAsThieves: i guess he isnt picked yet

16:03:27 ThickAsThieves: "am, who came out in February, is projected to be selected Saturday -- the third day of the NFL draft. Although his marketability is likely to be tied heavily to making a team and playing well, he has received dozens of endorsement deal offers, which is unprecedented for an expected late-round pick."

16:03:31 ThickAsThieves: Sam*

16:04:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00088608 = 4.6519 BTC [-]

16:07:50 ThickAsThieves: to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team long-term, even after it's completed?

16:08:15 mike_c: well, first off, the last 20% is always where the time is spent

16:08:37 ThickAsThieves: sure, but this was on schedule to be completed 2 yrs ago

16:08:51 mike_c: so you're 1.8 yrs late in firing them?

16:09:10 ThickAsThieves: maybe, it's not me calling the shots

16:09:16 ThickAsThieves: but i can influence

16:09:37 ThickAsThieves: i think initially the customer wasnt in any rush

16:09:37 artifexd: ThickAsThieves: The 80/20 problem is not new

16:09:42 ThickAsThieves: and that turned into this monster

16:09:45 mike_c: two years late on a one year project is bad management.

16:09:52 pankkake: is the 20% the actual, vital stuff?

16:09:57 ThickAsThieves: yeah

16:10:05 ThickAsThieves: permissions for users and such\

16:10:20 pankkake: sounds like it should have been the first thing to do

16:10:22 artifexd: Are the slacking, losing focus, or incompetent?

16:10:43 ThickAsThieves: i think they use foreigners so the tasks arent clearly communicated

16:10:57 ThickAsThieves: nothing new has been added to the plate

16:11:04 ThickAsThieves: it's just half-assing the requirements

16:11:11 ThickAsThieves: then pretending they didnt understand

16:11:24 pankkake: there is a chance the thing is worthless; it might have appeared to work, but there's not much inside

16:11:31 ThickAsThieves: i think another issue is the provider vastly underestimated the work

16:11:34 ThickAsThieves: but agreed to flat fee

16:11:46 ThickAsThieves: so it became low priority or something

16:11:58 artifexd: Sounds like it is time to find new developers and revisit your requirements. The may need some breaking down/clarification.

16:12:28 ThickAsThieves: i dunno i used the software some and it mostly works, it's just cleanup

16:12:34 ThickAsThieves: but even cleanup is taking months

16:12:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0335 = 0.134 BTC [+]

16:12:40 artifexd: Do you have the source code for what they have done so far? What does the contract say about non-completion?

16:12:42 Naphex: <+ThickAsThieves> to you developers, what you do you do when you are 3yrs deep with an uncompleted large project, and the last 20% seems to be when most of the time was spent on? When you also know you can't use this team

16:12:46 Naphex: long-term, even after it's completed? <<

16:12:51 ThickAsThieves: right

16:12:54 Naphex: <<< Bring in the heavy artillery

16:13:04 ThickAsThieves: like i had plans to grow this thing afterward

16:13:17 Naphex: bring in the experts, and a project manager that has a history as a drill sargent

16:13:50 ThickAsThieves: we do have the source so far

16:13:56 ThickAsThieves: current programming is done on our server

16:14:46 ThickAsThieves: it's online education/training

16:14:46 Naphex: <+ThickAsThieves> but even cleanup is taking months << why is the cleanup taking so long?

16:14:54 ThickAsThieves: i think we are on the backburner

16:16:05 ThickAsThieves: it's for a family business, but i havent been the manager of it

16:16:15 ThickAsThieves: just in the loop somewhat

16:16:29 Naphex: ah well, when i used to pick up dieing projects

16:17:17 Naphex: i went in, identified root problems, identified what the customer, client needs to realease

16:17:34 ThickAsThieves: this is actually the 3rd or 4th team we had on it, the previous one were all worse

16:17:48 ThickAsThieves: every team wants to start over

16:17:54 Naphex: are you using freelancers? or outsourcing companies?

16:18:05 Naphex: if every team wants to start over it might just be too shitty

16:18:13 ThickAsThieves: they purport to be a team, a business

16:18:15 pankkake: they probably want to start over for good reasons

16:18:19 ThickAsThieves: but i think they are just outsourcers now

16:18:45 ThickAsThieves: probably, but at some point someone has to fucking finish something

16:18:53 Naphex: the starting over thing, there is where the problems lie

16:18:55 pankkake: I've only refused one project, and my colleague refused it too, because there wasn't much to be saved, and fixing it would cost more than doing it again

16:19:04 ThickAsThieves: thats why its hard to let go

16:19:08 Naphex: it might just be too shitty of a code+architecture to work productively in

16:19:10 ThickAsThieves: since we already started over several times

16:19:37 Naphex: i've had clients picked up who used very very shitty platforms, which ended up beeing very succesful

16:19:49 Naphex: then all the problems started, while working in their code base was just a waste of time

16:20:02 Naphex: and any new feature they wanted to add might take more then 1 month

16:20:17 Naphex: i wanted to start over, refused when they denied. after 1 year

16:20:32 Naphex: the code, the platform was just too shitty to waste any good programmers time on it

16:20:45 bounce: sometimes you do need to start over. though not as often (and often not when) dev teams want to start over

16:21:13 Naphex: http://starshiners.ro/ -- 30k~ clients, 5-6k deliveries daily

16:21:13 pankkake: bounce: lol, yeah. we wanted to start over on our own code for a project, but it was still manageable, albeit painful

16:22:12 bounce: amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_

16:22:12 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:23:04 ThickAsThieves: the idea was to make this software, polish it and add features for 6mos in use for grade school education, then further develop it by making it more robust for other types of training (i have/had clients in areas like haxardous material transportation certs, etc), then once it seems ready, make it a DIY SaaS monthly fee website thing

16:23:56 ThickAsThieves: years of work

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16:25:18 ThickAsThieves: in that sense a rewrite is probably inevitable huh

16:25:30 thestringpuller: isn't that what Khan Academy does?

16:25:41 ThickAsThieves: no

16:26:03 ThickAsThieves: the idea is for any person or company to be able to use it to build training

16:26:16 pankkake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodle ?

16:26:17 ozbot: Moodle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

16:26:24 ThickAsThieves: pretty much

16:26:33 ThickAsThieves: we actually use Moodle for one portion of students

16:26:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

16:26:59 benkay: it's kinda hard to move the custom designd thigner into a multitenant deploy generally, ThickAsThieves

16:27:19 pankkake: perhaps building around Moodle, with people who actually know Moodle, would get better results

16:27:31 benkay: unless it was designed to do that from the get-go, but from the sounds of it it's kind of a mess in the first place.

16:27:37 ThickAsThieves: i dont think moodle licence would allow for the master plan though

16:28:17 pankkake: benkay: depends on how dirty you want it to be :D

16:28:19 benkay: then there is the 'shoehorn existing software into my problemspace' thing going on as well it sounds

16:28:32 benkay: pankkake: url-encode everything and throw away the method.

16:28:41 pankkake: GPLv3 should be ok, it's not AGPL

16:28:46 ThickAsThieves: well it was more organic than that of course

16:28:56 ThickAsThieves: they had a custom thing some freelancer made

16:28:59 ThickAsThieves: and Moodle

16:29:03 ThickAsThieves: so they had two systems

16:29:05 *: bounce spent a few weeks refactoring a fantastically bad code base. was sort-of fun, if you like a lot of mindless drudgery. lots of condensing copy/pasted code, but also coming up with interfaces to safely re-do (in less code) what's already there giving the same result with less spaghetti. and then slowly "factor up".

16:29:19 ThickAsThieves: which made dev of either one awkward

16:29:25 ThickAsThieves: and they wanted one system

16:29:39 bounce: that sort of thing goes best when the code is a particular kind of stupid: lots of repetition, lots of hooks to revamp.

16:29:46 ThickAsThieves: later came the ideas of SaaS

16:31:10 ThickAsThieves: there's more need than you might initially realize for a customizable education software

16:31:36 ThickAsThieves: orgs get really particular about grading systems and features they need

16:31:48 ThickAsThieves: in the SaaS version you

16:31:53 ThickAsThieves: 'd be able to customize such

16:31:57 benkay: sounds like you'd want to preserve your ability to deliver features fast and on budget at all costs.

16:33:42 ThickAsThieves: well we have yet to encounter a team that can assist, finding one is not easy when you have no reliable connections into better breeds of programminig teams

16:33:51 benkay: man this story is so familiar. non technical stakeholder dictates that a particular already-built thinger be used despite knowing nothing about its architecture or code quality or the ability of development teams to work against the existing codebase. thinger is either a mess or takes 6 months for an individual to come up to speed on the nuances/idiocies of, but project already has thinger built in.

16:33:54 ThickAsThieves: nor quite the ability to confidently discern between them

16:34:23 benkay: yeah that's the really rough part of the problem

16:34:30 benkay: not being able to qualify tech teams

16:34:33 benkay: that's brutal, man.

16:35:42 benkay: Magento's a really good example of this. you start a business selling shit online, you're all "hey magento! it's awesome and does everything i need!" then you want to hire someone to do work on your magento install and lolololololol either you hire kids who are learning php on the fly and they do god knows what to your install or you hire actual magento devs at 400+/hr

16:36:05 thestringpuller: "If you want nice things you have to pay for them"

16:36:28 benkay: i worked at a shop once that charged an ungodly amount of money to migrate another large ecom hustler from magento community to magento pro

16:36:30 ThickAsThieves: the idea of an open source cart always scared me anyway

16:36:38 benkay: ebay staff didn't think it was even POSSIBLE. but we did it.

16:36:59 benkay: cost...too much. probably more than writing a cms/ecom platform ourselves woulda.

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16:37:12 benkay: but client didn't care to pay for a new stack - would rather throw 4x as much at the old stack.

16:37:55 ThickAsThieves: note that this point is off on a tangent

16:38:05 benkay: yeah sorry

16:38:09 ThickAsThieves: there's no new expense for this current iteration

16:38:16 ThickAsThieves: other than time passing

16:38:35 ThickAsThieves: they make progress, it's just painfully slow

16:39:10 ThickAsThieves: but now Moodle is way out of date and missing features they really want

16:39:20 ThickAsThieves: so they wanna pay someone to handle that

16:39:38 ThickAsThieves: because no idea when custom system will be ready

16:40:20 benkay: fixing upstream bugs?

16:41:03 bounce: teach'em to swim

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16:41:22 ThickAsThieves: ?

16:42:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 39 @ 0.041 = 1.599 BTC [-]

16:47:16 benkay: !up blackwhite

16:47:16 assbot: Voicing blackwhite for 30 minutes.

16:47:24 benkay: blackwhite! welcome back

16:49:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55806 @ 0.00088608 = 49.4486 BTC [-]

16:49:55 blackwhite: thanks

16:52:02 benkay: how've you been?

16:54:40 benkay: !up Sahtor

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16:56:01 mircea_popescu: !up non2_

16:56:01 assbot: Voicing non2_ for 30 minutes.

16:57:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [+]

16:57:28 mircea_popescu: bounce:

16:57:28 mircea_popescu: apple do know how to be cool and hip and things, or at least jobs managed to hit the nail on the head an ungodly long tim << that's it. apple is now reduced to the position of rich old guy trying to buy the company of the hip young things in the hopes it'll attract the teenage pussy it's after.

16:57:39 benkay: hola JorgePasada

16:59:38 mircea_popescu: Naphex: sorry i meant a severly limited computer which you can use too buy more apple shit << exactly. in point of fact nobody actually wants an apple anything.

16:59:45 mircea_popescu: they just temporarily thought they did.

16:59:58 asciilifeform: obligatory:

16:59:59 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132

17:00:00 ozbot: Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake

17:00:09 asciilifeform: (written during a living steve j)

17:00:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.041 = 1.476 BTC [-]

17:01:21 mircea_popescu: and re "executive"'s move to apple : the point of sad fact is that actual executive power moved from the us to china in this interval. the ever swelling headcount of ever more powerless and pointless us based pseudo-executives have chosen to temporarily drown the realisation of their loss

17:01:35 mircea_popescu: in changing a functional workstation for a severely crippled, difficult to use one.

17:01:46 mircea_popescu: the placebo benefit is fading.

17:03:09 mircea_popescu: !up SatoshiJack

17:03:09 assbot: Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.

17:03:58 mircea_popescu: bounce: kinda interesting. though I probably wouldn't go through the trouble even if I had access to (or need for) those things << exactly. it's sort-of like putting your time into being the best earthworm kinetotherapist. why bother.

17:04:10 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/05/09/board-election-results-announcement-2/

17:05:33 ThickAsThieves: 71 voters participated, 31 abstained

17:05:50 asciilifeform: apple vacuuming up winblows escapees is not the complete picture. they also profited from the demise of sun, sgi, etc. - being the only remaining vendor of what amounts to '90-style 'unix workstation'

17:06:17 asciilifeform: (in the sense of the hardware and os baked under same roof)

17:06:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c:

17:06:23 mircea_popescu: 04:50:57 mircea_popescu:your blog got 0 comments the past month. << just because your blog doesn't get comments doesn't mean it sucks. << no, but it also doesn't mean you can "get my name out there"

17:06:53 mike_c: oh yes, no argument there.

17:07:04 benkay: y'all apple haters miss the part where they make the best laptop chassis in the world.

17:07:32 mike_c: benkay: have you ever picked up an apple server? it weighs 200 lbs for no good reason.

17:07:38 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so it's in that context << you have to include your context in your blogposts. that's why mine end up ungodly long soimetimes, you want a reader falling on it ten years later to still get a whole meal.

17:07:50 benkay: mike_c: who buys apple servers?!

17:08:07 mircea_popescu: benkay i didn't fuck a woman last night, tho she was giving me the fuck me eyes. she had the best ears in the world.

17:08:10 mircea_popescu: ya know ?

17:08:15 mike_c: mm, desktops might have been a better word choice. and designers do.

17:08:18 asciilifeform: benkay: as described in my post (linked earlier.) it is easiest to ignore apple when one has no need for portable computer (i think it was mp, and a few others, who noted that they never needed a laptop)

17:08:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my laptop has a car.

17:08:39 benkay: y'all are in the fortunate position of having offices.

17:08:42 asciilifeform: lol

17:08:52 benkay: give me a year.

17:09:12 asciilifeform: then you have 3 offices. back to laptops.

17:09:15 ThickAsThieves: i do all my programming on tablet

17:09:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.079 = 0.316 BTC [+]

17:09:52 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you program nao ?

17:09:58 ThickAsThieves: no

17:10:04 benkay: he trollin

17:10:21 ThickAsThieves: other than hacking apart html and css to make websites look different sometimes

17:10:29 mircea_popescu: that's scripting

17:10:29 asciilifeform: 'condemned to program for life, at Her Majesty's pleasure'

17:10:30 ThickAsThieves: but yeah i was trolling

17:11:14 ThickAsThieves: even scripting is too gracious a term for it

17:11:20 mircea_popescu: fluffypony so should i bother to read this thing or just wait for 2038 ?

17:11:35 ThickAsThieves: it's like editing variables

17:11:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.079 = 1.422 BTC [+]

17:12:09 mircea_popescu: thickasscriptkiddies

17:12:26 ThickAsThieves: you spelled crypt wrongly

17:12:35 mircea_popescu: thick-ass-crypt-kitties.tumblr.com

17:12:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 34 @ 0.041 = 1.394 BTC [-]

17:12:46 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Read it, the more opinions the better

17:12:47 fluffypony: Out for supper, will catch up in a bit

17:14:49 ThickAsThieves: deviladvocate.biz new-user count is up 50% in 5 days. Almost ready to IPVO!

17:18:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00088304 = 10.1108 BTC [-]

17:21:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.034125 = 0.1365 BTC [+] {3}

17:28:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 200 @ 0.041 = 8.2 BTC [-]

17:31:08 mike_c: mircea_popescu: did you miss paying out a small dividend on s.bbet last month?

17:32:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c no ?

17:33:07 jurov: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27192724 O.o

17:33:37 jurov: no ozbot? "In Toronto with the world’s feminist pornographers"

17:33:38 mike_c: hm. btcalpha accountants think that no div was paid last month, and 0.250730601 BTC should've been paid to shares on mpex.

17:34:08 mike_c: of course, that's 9 digits after the decimal, so they can't really be trusted.

17:34:59 mike_c: http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/

17:35:01 ozbot: BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:35:06 jurov: mike_c mpex dividends are really paid to 18 digits of accuracy

17:35:15 mike_c: ;;calc (1.19395524 - 0.35818657) * 0.3

17:35:15 gribble: 0.250730601

17:35:19 jurov: just rouded to satoshi at the last possible moment

17:35:53 mircea_popescu: mike_c "Because MPEx shareholders were paid 3.68215306 BTC instead of the 1.10464591 BTC they were actually due for February, 30% of profits going forward will be allocated to covering that credit, in lieu of MPEx dividends. This sum comes to 0.99104946 BTC this current period, leaving the credit to be covered in following months at 1.22827111 BTC."

17:36:25 mircea_popescu: what 1.19 ?

17:36:49 mike_c: 30% goes to mistake, 70% should go to divs, yes?

17:37:15 mircea_popescu: the 30% that normally goes to mpex shareholders goes towards the credit

17:37:33 jurov: and the rest goes where?

17:37:41 mircea_popescu: nowhere

17:37:46 mike_c: ah, i get it

17:38:28 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:there's no "point" of bitcoin << he has a point

17:39:42 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: for me it's beyond doubt coinbase is scaming with their high risk tx bullshit << he also has a point.

17:39:53 mike_c: jurov: 18 digits. you know way too much about mpex.

17:41:01 mircea_popescu: Naphex: whats wrong with DNS << that you didn't document your thing.

17:41:44 jurov: mike_c: i don't know nearly as much as i wish

17:42:23 jurov: but anyway, the correct formula to compute your divs is

17:42:46 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: you cant sound cool rapping bitcoin << i could pull it off.

17:42:53 mircea_popescu: !up martin_____

17:42:53 assbot: Voicing martin_____ for 30 minutes.

17:43:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 67 @ 0.041 = 2.747 BTC [-]

17:43:12 jurov: for MPOE: round_to_satoshi(99.77743063/500000000*<number of your shares>)

17:44:06 jurov: where the 500000000 is a "float" sometimes obscure even for MP himself

17:45:07 jurov: and _no_ other rounding is done, so the dividend is not a whole number of satoshi

17:45:23 jurov: despite being published as such

17:46:43 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: well, nation << he's right davout_ mike_c. the us uses "nation" like "our great nation" "defending the nation" etc.

17:46:59 mircea_popescu: homeland is reviled from what i can see

17:47:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4044 @ 0.00088324 = 3.5718 BTC [+]

17:47:20 Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah i'll get some time to document it and make some examples.

17:47:26 pankkake: well, homeland security

17:47:32 Naphex: mircea_popescu: but guess what, emag is delivering my shizz woop:D

17:47:38 asciilifeform: u.s. uses 'nation' sorta like the comblok folks used 'people's republic'

17:47:45 asciilifeform: a kind of 'aspirational' tag

17:47:47 pankkake: the French might use Patrie, which is like the motherland but with a penis

17:47:52 asciilifeform: vaterland.

17:47:52 jurov: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ so mike_c at least you can publish the correct dividend per share when mircea neglects to

17:47:53 ozbot: S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha

17:47:59 mircea_popescu: Naphex maybe they idle here.

17:48:02 asciilifeform: ~= отечество

17:48:22 asciilifeform: rus. has both words

17:48:26 Naphex: mircea_popescu: probably, because before ranting about it here they couldn't find my paiments :))

17:48:29 Naphex: payments even:P

17:48:35 asciilifeform: ('родина' ~= motherland)

17:49:10 mircea_popescu: what happens when the fatherland and the motherland get in bed ?

17:49:17 asciilifeform: lol!

17:49:30 jurov: the div was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share

17:49:37 asciilifeform: (note the traditional engl. mistranslation of the russian term for ww2 - 'great patriotic war' - really, '

17:49:44 asciilifeform: 'великая отечественная война' -> great fatherlandic war

17:50:20 mike_c: why not a 7 at the end?

17:50:20 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: just in the loop somewhat << prolly time to start grepping clients from hell for recognisable specifics.

17:50:33 mike_c: given profit was 199.55486127

17:50:38 jurov: mircea_popescu: really, you tolerate almost 5% reporting error?

17:50:55 mircea_popescu: jurov hm ?

17:51:35 jurov: you publish dividend as 19 satoshi

17:51:47 mircea_popescu: May 09 14:23:57 <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 99.77743063 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 19 satoshi per share

17:51:48 jurov: but it was exactly 19.955486126 satoshi per share

17:51:52 mircea_popescu: so ?

17:51:56 mircea_popescu: it truncates.

17:52:21 jurov: you report truncated value that is 5% off from reality

17:52:31 mircea_popescu: a truncated value is truncated.

17:52:38 mircea_popescu: if the dividend was 0.9 it'd be reported as 0

17:52:48 mircea_popescu: calculating the % off from reality left as an exercise to the commenter.

17:53:19 Naphex: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/254pv8/the_bitcoin_foundation_must_remove_satoshi_as/

17:53:42 jurov: i know that's lost cause, hopefully at least mike_c starts reporting things right.

17:53:47 pankkake: "Now that a highly controversial figure has been elected" who?

17:53:48 *: mircea_popescu opts not to click on reddit

17:54:11 pankkake: eh, first comment "Can we request the Bitcoin Foundation remove itself?"

17:54:22 mircea_popescu: pankkake: they probably want to start over for good reasons << like getting paid.

17:54:53 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves seriously, my call is that you've been identified as pork, and you are being farmed.

17:57:02 asciilifeform: ;;google a pig like that you don't eat all at once

17:57:03 gribble: FARK.com: (8147761) A pig like that, you don't eat all at once: http://www.fark.com/comments/8147761/A-pig-like-that-you-dont-eat-all-at-once; The Famous Pig - Animal Jokes - Jokes Place!: http://www.jokesplace.com/joke/famouspig.html; The Best Joke I Can Tell In Sports Illustrated - 04.11.05 - SI Vault: (1 more message)

17:57:06 mike_c: jurov: my only hesitation is that i would have to maintain "how many shares are held on mpex" for each symbol so i could do my own calculations. for example, what's that number for f.mpif?

17:57:54 jurov: mike_c i envy you the luxury to hesitate about it

17:58:02 mircea_popescu: mike_c you can just pick up assbot's announcements i guess

17:58:39 mike_c: assbot announces divs?

17:58:49 jurov: yes, grep for [PAID]

17:58:50 mircea_popescu: i just quioted it above dood

17:58:53 mircea_popescu: http://news.yahoo.com/young-children-could-face-bullying-charges-city-164036847.html

17:58:53 ozbot: Young children could face bullying charges in city - Yahoo News

17:59:01 mircea_popescu: how the fuck can someone purport to raise children in the us.

17:59:16 mircea_popescu: if my kids didn't bully the loser kids i'd slit their throat with my own fucking hand

18:00:16 asciilifeform: probably in the same city where cats were forbidden to devour birds.

18:00:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 88.10217657 BTC to 80`673 shares, 109209 satoshi per share

18:02:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 302 @ 0.00089843 = 0.2713 BTC [+] {2}

18:02:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game

18:02:49 mircea_popescu: it's so hypocritical it bleeds.

18:03:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 325 @ 0.00089871 = 0.2921 BTC [+] {4}

18:04:28 fluffypony: bounce:amazingly, still so many project managers that haven't read _The Mythical Man-Month_ <- they should have that as required reading in school, yo

18:04:28 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

18:04:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-] {2}

18:04:32 mircea_popescu: fluffypony http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-05-09/#comment-1377068971 yw.

18:04:38 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: tks

18:04:55 fluffypony: hah hah

18:05:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the 'bully' crap is mostly 'concern trolling', schoolboys are not yet jailed en masse for using their fists

18:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-]

18:05:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who knows by now.

18:06:04 mircea_popescu: i've tried this experiment, if you clench your fists and make for any twentysomething, they'll put their hands over their head and stop sobbing

18:06:17 mircea_popescu: s/stop/start/

18:06:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 102 @ 0.07254763 = 7.3999 BTC [-] {10}

18:06:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-]

18:06:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wait what, lol! in Ro ?

18:06:46 mircea_popescu: considering how chickenshitty they grow up, there must be something unnatural happening to them in school.

18:06:58 mircea_popescu: yes in ro.

18:07:25 mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no, actually, in the city where black people burn down the downtown if the wrong team wins whatever game << well, you know, maybe they had a big bet on the game :D

18:07:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.041 = 0.82 BTC [-]

18:07:51 mircea_popescu: mike_c im sure they did. five car wheels and a baggie o crystalz.

18:08:02 asciilifeform: more interestingly, sometimes (at least in 'college towns') there is chaos if... the 'right' team wins. celebratory riot.

18:08:19 mircea_popescu: that's with fucking tho neh ?

18:08:19 mike_c: i know right? like tearing down goal posts

18:08:39 mircea_popescu: princessnell maybe go in #freenode and ask for a cloak ?

18:09:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26115 @ 0.00088688 = 23.1609 BTC [+]

18:09:36 Naphex: real men use real hosts:D

18:09:41 Naphex: hehe

18:09:46 asciilifeform: mike_c: over here, they sometimes celebrate by wrecking shop windows, lighting fires in the road, etc. but a public and ostentatious mass police beating put a bit of a pause in this 'colourful tradition' - at least, for now.

18:09:56 pankkake: Naphex: exactly

18:10:26 mike_c: asciilifeform: NYPD doesn't put up with that crap either

18:10:32 fluffypony: benkay:Magento's a really good example of this. <- this is so freakin' true. Even worse are when they pay for a ton of dev work on Magento Community Edition and then move to Magento Enterprise, and basically have to re-engineer and re-do all the work

18:13:41 mircea_popescu: omfg he deleted my comment

18:13:47 mircea_popescu: CENSORSHEEP

18:14:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0770001 = 0.77 BTC [+]

18:14:57 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I haven't

18:15:05 fluffypony: it's "pending approval"

18:15:11 mircea_popescu: a my cookie died ?

18:15:13 fluffypony: I'm just too lazy to login to my moderation thing

18:15:13 mircea_popescu: mk

18:15:33 fluffypony: normally it sends an email and I can reply to the mail to approve

18:15:42 fluffypony: but no mail yet, so I'll login and approve it later

18:15:49 pankkake: I was able to see it with the link

18:17:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00088713 = 2.0404 BTC [+]

18:18:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]

18:19:52 mircea_popescu: o look, she got a cloak too

18:20:09 Apocalyptic: dem girls know to IRC nao

18:20:36 mircea_popescu: https://neocities.org/blog/the-fcc-is-now-rate-limited

18:20:37 ozbot: The Official NeoCities Blog

18:21:02 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I linked to that hours ago, yo

18:21:30 fluffypony: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2014#667307

18:21:32 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

18:21:42 punkman: so that guy was selling mining contracts without having anything: "Your bought contract NOT started, because our mining rig seller from China not delivered our bought mining rig and we lost our paid 4500 USD."

18:21:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07921715 = 0.1584 BTC [+]

18:22:33 fluffypony: punkman: "lost"

18:22:34 mircea_popescu: fluffypony i know, that's where i got it from

18:22:50 fluffypony: ah ok

18:23:32 mircea_popescu: i wanted to make a ocmment, but then i couldn't understand what comment i want to make.

18:23:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}

18:23:50 mircea_popescu: so some random nobody throttled... the access "of fcc" to his random site nobody but you reads ?

18:24:01 mircea_popescu: that consists mostly of... text ?

18:24:16 mircea_popescu: i'm not on the right drugs am i.

18:24:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]

18:24:58 mircea_popescu: " Designed as a 21st century reincarnation of GeoCities, Neocities lets you make your own site for free. And it just might spark a renaissance of creativity online. "

18:25:13 mircea_popescu: o wait, he takes doge.

18:25:37 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: their effort isn't the big deal - they published the nginx rules, and there's been a bit of uptake from other sites implementing them

18:25:40 fluffypony: nothing important

18:25:46 mircea_popescu: so basically, every failed marketing fucktard in the world has by now flocked to doge coins, as a great example of the "unlimted possibility" and "all that cvould be achieved" for marketing fucktards, in their own opinion.

18:25:49 mircea_popescu: thats what it is innit

18:25:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2}

18:25:51 fluffypony: but who knows, maybe it'll become "a thing", to quote ThickAsThieves :-P

18:25:59 mircea_popescu: but what'd be the thing ?

18:26:18 mircea_popescu: i mean, fcc employees aren't supposed to derp on random etsy boutique blogs on their fcc connections anwyay

18:26:29 mircea_popescu: now if porntube did this...

18:26:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]

18:27:04 pankkake: indeed: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-07/porn-watching-epa-employee-found-by-agency-watchdog.html

18:27:16 fluffypony: I know, it's kinda like the occupy wall street of the Internet :-P

18:27:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 125 @ 0.041 = 5.125 BTC [-]

18:28:01 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, do you plan on keeping the price of fraudsters credits the same forever, or is buying fraudsters credits an act of shorting BTC?

18:28:40 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron wait, aren't those two clauses unrelated ?

18:28:59 asciilifeform: speaking of derpatronics: there i was, trying to pick up some chair on the cheap, and saw:

18:29:00 asciilifeform: http://baltimore.craigslist.org/bfd/4399390408.html

18:29:00 ozbot: Robotics Venture

18:29:00 fluffypony: s/or/and ?

18:29:45 danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, if the price in BTC is going to change as the price of BTC changes, then wouldn't buying credits be like buying into FIAT (shorting BTC)?

18:30:03 danielpbarron: oops, price of fraudsters credits

18:30:06 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ah ah.

18:30:19 mircea_popescu: well imo they're much too cheap atm, so ima not change them a while.

18:30:21 danielpbarron: if the price of fraudsters credits in BTC..

18:30:46 asciilifeform: fraudsters credit is probably the life support hose keeping tor alive...

18:30:58 mircea_popescu: lol

18:31:16 danielpbarron: right, they are cheap at the moment if you think of it in terms of the current FIAT price of BTC, but they are expensive if you are really long on BTC

18:31:23 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 450 * 0.01 / 10000

18:31:23 gribble: 0.00045

18:31:26 pankkake: what, you people don't have ~10 IPv4s on hand?

18:31:43 mircea_popescu: that can't be right.

18:32:01 fluffypony: danielpbarron: so take $5, buy Bitcoin in -OTC, buy credits

18:32:02 mircea_popescu: that is right. holy shit.

18:32:15 mircea_popescu: well, let's say i won't change the price until btc reaches 1mn each

18:32:48 danielpbarron: fluffypony, that's not the point; I guess what I mean is: is buying fraudsters credits like an investment denominated in BTC?

18:32:51 fluffypony: when btc reaches 1 mil I'm selling stock in my remaining fraudsters credits

18:32:55 fluffypony: :-P

18:33:04 danielpbarron: ^^

18:33:07 mircea_popescu: lol

18:33:20 danielpbarron: good info to know; thank you

18:33:29 mircea_popescu: people ocasionalyl just want to make a donation, and so i think there are some people with 5 or 10 btc's worht

18:33:30 fluffypony: danielpbarron: I think the cost is too low to have a measurable impact on one's personal wealth

18:33:47 mike_c: it's like selling private keys though, doesn't work. you can't enforce that you won't use the cookie after selling.

18:34:26 danielpbarron: fluffypony, someone could buy way more credits than they need with the plan of selling them in the future

18:34:39 mike_c: except you can't sell them :)

18:34:39 fluffypony: I mean, when BTC is at 1mil a pack of fraudsters creds will be worth $10k. if you're long on BTC you'll have a net worth an order of magnitude higher than that, so it'll be irrelevant.

18:34:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.1333333 = 0.2667 BTC [-]

18:35:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00088713 = 11.2222 BTC [+]

18:35:01 pankkake: you could action the credits

18:35:09 fluffypony: mike_c: you could run a proxy using your cookie

18:35:11 pankkake: auction*

18:35:51 mike_c: ok, proxy would work. if the buyer accepts your counterparty risk.

18:35:55 fluffypony: yesh

18:36:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03449992 = 0.3105 BTC [+] {5}

18:36:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0311 = 0.1555 BTC [-]

18:36:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]

18:36:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-] {2}

18:36:08 pankkake: !up wolverineks

18:36:08 assbot: Voicing wolverineks for 30 minutes.

18:36:14 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how does one get gpg certified on your blog?

18:36:17 fluffypony: well when BTC is at 1mil

18:36:22 fluffypony: it'll cost $450 per view

18:36:23 thestringpuller: like hanbot

18:36:34 danielpbarron: that's what I was thinking

18:36:38 pankkake: oh that's what the icon means?

18:36:40 asciilifeform: gpg certified?

18:36:41 danielpbarron: and it would be worth it too

18:36:47 fluffypony: so I'd imagine selling proxied access will be worthwhile

18:36:57 asciilifeform: i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer'

18:37:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-] {2}

18:37:04 thestringpuller: oh

18:37:16 pankkake: if I was selling content, I wouldn't want to be the one thinking of the price

18:37:23 Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> i thought it meant 'employed as cryptographer' // wait, hanbot is a cryptographer N

18:37:31 pankkake: it's actually why I like to sell on auctions: I'm not setting the price

18:37:33 danielpbarron: if Bitcoin is worth 1000000 USD, a fraudsters page view probably really is worth 450 USD per view

18:37:38 mircea_popescu: an order of magnitude << really.

18:37:56 mircea_popescu: apparently they have large penises AND large orders of magnitude in south africa

18:38:08 bounce: can't order magnitudes here.

18:38:22 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what do you mean gpog certified ?

18:38:34 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: wait, hanbot is a cryptographer << i've no idea. possibly.

18:38:37 thestringpuller: i guess I'm misunderstanding the little key symbol on your blog

18:38:53 mircea_popescu: oh that.

18:38:55 fluffypony: colloquialism, bitches: http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2013/01/orders-of-magnitude.html

18:39:08 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/category/criptograme/

18:39:09 ozbot: Criptograme pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:39:22 mircea_popescu: i had a guess the word contest whatever you call it in english

18:39:28 mircea_popescu: if you figure out enough of them you get a key

18:39:41 thestringpuller: Oh. that's neat!

18:39:46 thestringpuller: thanks answering mircea_popescu

18:39:51 asciilifeform: lol!

18:40:01 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/criptograma-starii-lucrurilor-celor-moi-de-mijloc/

18:40:02 ozbot: Criptograma starii lucrurilor celor moi de mijloc. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:40:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20841 @ 0.00088745 = 18.4953 BTC [+] {2}

18:40:05 asciilifeform: i actually thought it was 'cryptographer / radioman / funker.'

18:40:14 mircea_popescu: for instance that is "curva nasoala", which means nasty whore

18:40:18 bounce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptogram

18:40:19 ozbot: Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

18:40:25 mircea_popescu: cur (ass) + v nas (nose) oala (pot)

18:40:47 Apocalyptic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptogram // unrelated

18:40:48 ozbot: Cryptogram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

18:41:06 Apocalyptic: meant to quote bounce

18:41:07 thestringpuller: lol sorry for derailing the conversation ~_~

18:41:17 bounce: huh, different thing that I know by that name

18:41:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'назойливая курва' !

18:41:58 *: asciilifeform has been dipping into the slavic influence in Ro. lang.

18:42:03 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/criptograma-locosexuala/

18:42:04 ozbot: Criptograma locosexuala pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:42:27 mircea_popescu: this one is sex in baie (fucking in the bathroom). sec (dry) sin (tit) baie (mine)

18:42:30 bounce: probably "crossword" then, though that'd depend on the type of clue given

18:42:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but shorter :D

18:43:38 bounce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptic_crossword <-- probably this one

18:43:39 ozbot: Cryptic crossword - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

18:43:43 mircea_popescu: bounce i guess it'd be "criptograph" or something

18:44:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun fact : as far as romanian linguists are concerned, nasol comes as gypsy influence

18:44:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-] {2}

18:45:10 mircea_popescu: and re funker : did i ever link you to my phreakin' da intercom article ? http://fraudsters.com/2009/de-interfonibus/

18:45:28 mircea_popescu: i must have.

18:46:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'nocere' ?

18:46:02 asciilifeform: (lat)

18:46:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13107 @ 0.0008865 = 11.6194 BTC [-] {2}

18:46:28 asciilifeform: or in Ro. the linguists also come from the ducks, who are loaded off the trucks ?

18:46:53 pankkake: [D!up peterL

18:46:56 pankkake: !up peterL

18:46:56 assbot: Voicing peterL for 30 minutes.

18:47:02 pankkake: one day, I'll up on the first time

18:47:09 peterL: thanks pankkake :)

18:47:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]

18:47:13 mircea_popescu: NASÓL, -OÁLĂ, nasoli, -oale, adj., s. m. și f. (Arg.) 1. Adj., s. m. și f. (Om) urât sau ridicol. 2. Adj. (Despre obiecte) De proastă calitate; urât, uzat; caraghios. – Din țig. nasvalo „bolnav'”, nasul „rău, meschin”.

18:47:24 mircea_popescu: tig being "gyp"

18:47:54 peterL: has anybody had experience with escrow.ms on bitcointalk forum for doing escrow? are they reputable?

18:48:17 mircea_popescu: not heard of them.

18:48:28 mircea_popescu: i did use saltyspitoon once without trouble.

18:50:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0725 = 1.015 BTC [-] {3}

18:50:30 hanbot: asciilifeform: i actually thought it was 'cryptographer / radioman / funker.' << s'not as cool as all that, but who can resist the allure of shiny golden insignia

18:51:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]

18:52:06 asciilifeform: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5313/53415412.2f/0_607c0_8f2afb51_XXL.jpg

18:52:09 bounce: aw. no morse?

18:52:22 asciilifeform: alternatively,

18:52:22 asciilifeform: http://trx.ucoz.ua/_ph/3/2/547117208.jpg

18:52:44 mircea_popescu: 1st version is better

18:53:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}

18:53:24 asciilifeform: agreed.

18:54:03 asciilifeform: http://pix.photone.me/file/5605.jpg

18:55:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.041 = 0.82 BTC [-]

18:55:36 pankkake: nice racks

18:58:21 mircea_popescu: Imagine that every car maker save for Toyota insisted on using the infamous East German Trabant as a standard of quality ? yet blindly imitated random elements of Toyota?s visual design. How long would it take for the whiners to appear on the scene and start making noises about monopolistic tyranny?

18:58:25 mircea_popescu: this is a fine point indeed.

19:00:29 mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132 and nao this expolains a lot

19:00:30 ozbot: Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake

19:01:37 mircea_popescu: I should also note that no one else makes a laptop whose metallic chassis enables it to pass the ?Creak Test? ? hold a device by two opposite corners and flex gently. Do you hear a noise of any kind? If so, you are holding a mechanically-unsound piece of garbage.

19:02:13 asciilifeform: (this - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=316 - less-interesting - post, was an answer to the derpage generated by the above.)

19:02:45 TheNewDeal: if you grabbed a computer case by two opposite corners and flex gently, does it make a noise?

19:02:53 pankkake: uh, https://discussions.apple.com/___sbsstatic___/migration-images/841/8417178-2.jpg is not a rare occurence

19:03:21 asciilifeform: pankkake: that looks like the familiar Li battery swell.

19:03:51 pankkake: if you hold a macbook with only one hand too much, they'll eventually bend

19:04:09 asciilifeform: if you drive a truck over it, it will also bend.

19:04:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]

19:04:29 mircea_popescu: if you fuck on top of it it will be fine tho

19:04:39 pankkake: so there's various degrees of holding it wrong

19:05:20 TheNewDeal: making a noise isn't necessarily indicative of mechanical integrity

19:05:47 asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: it was a 'litmus test', rather than absolute measure of anything

19:06:04 TheNewDeal: fine fine

19:06:09 asciilifeform: the chinese plastic turds fail, the machines which survive years in a rucksack without serious mechanical problem, generally pass

19:09:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that apple turd was an epic derpamatic, incidentally. ~500k views to date.

19:10:31 mircea_popescu: it's a good article.

19:10:47 mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to ignore the reactions to the major hits and focus on discussing the others.

19:10:56 mircea_popescu: nobody cares what many people think.

19:11:24 asciilifeform: yeah after i noticed what attracts derpmeisters, i moved on to other, more interesting subjects

19:12:23 mircea_popescu: "@SunSentinel ? 1h Man drives Tesla from New York to Miami at no cost" who the fuck came up with this idiocy. the tesla is a luxury product. the people who buy luxury products are being sold on "no cost" housewife routines ?

19:12:35 asciilifeform: (note that the piece correctly describes the fate of apple corp. not that this deserves prize of any kind, it was pretty obvious)

19:13:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100 m^2 of photovoltaics is also a 'luxury product', but it marketed in just that same way.

19:14:02 hanbot: the grass must be made greener

19:14:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the photovoltaics are not the product.

19:14:14 asciilifeform: russian army style.

19:14:17 asciilifeform: by painting it.

19:14:30 benkay: 80k is a luxury product now?

19:14:45 mircea_popescu: if nipple piercings ensured the women carrying them will be used as fucktoys, giving away free cool nipple piercings would not be giving away any product either

19:15:00 asciilifeform: photovoltaics are not the product << the cocktail of self-righteous envirowhinerism and successful penny pinching (while 'pound-foolish') is the product.

19:15:01 mircea_popescu: benkay you seen the derpage ensuing from 30 btc mpex reg fee ?

19:15:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, more like, the more expensive housing is the product.

19:15:29 mircea_popescu: the actual cost to builkd a house now is ~5k.

19:15:35 mircea_popescu: this is why the market is collapsing all the damned time

19:15:42 mircea_popescu: if they could make it so building a house cost 100k,

19:15:47 mircea_popescu: then the economy would be stable.

19:15:47 asciilifeform: less, if you permit exotica like machine-sculpted concrete

19:15:50 mircea_popescu: so, they're trying.

19:16:21 bounce: 5k what? dollars? that's a wooden shed, materials only, or what?

19:16:30 mircea_popescu: so the product is "getting photovoltaics to be common so they may be deemed standard so they may become mandatory so the developers can sell and the finance economy can work etc"

19:16:32 mircea_popescu: that's the product.

19:16:41 mircea_popescu: like the nipple pierced girls' fucking, being the product.

19:16:52 mircea_popescu: bounce all materials, house for a fambly.

19:18:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 598 @ 0.00088636 = 0.53 BTC [-]

19:19:35 mircea_popescu: "@kristathomas Don't Be Right And Don't Ask Why: Essential Ingredients For Building A Team" << lol. just as long as your "team"'s not supposed to be apple.

19:19:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12191 @ 0.00088412 = 10.7783 BTC [-] {2}

19:19:47 bounce: so where does the cost come from, labour?

19:20:53 mircea_popescu: bounce red tape, mostly.

19:21:38 mircea_popescu: labour is a dollar an hour, you don't need much more than a few hundred man-hours anyway. renting the machinery and getting some concrete/sand/brick isn't the end of the world.

19:24:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.041 = 0.451 BTC [-]

19:28:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.0008827 = 15.6238 BTC [-] {3}

19:32:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the americans found a more barbaric and elegant solution to propping up housing costs - foreclose en masse and let the buildings rot, harvested by copper thieves, etc.

19:32:44 asciilifeform: rather than let price fall

19:34:33 mircea_popescu: not really. most prices are just depressing to all hell.

19:34:45 mircea_popescu: just, some here and there going the way of the rot

19:35:24 asciilifeform: there is definitely a palpable 'price floor', that remains solid, at least outside of war zones (e.g. detroit)

19:36:11 asciilifeform: nobody is getting a house, in decent physical condition, near a major employment hub, for 10k. yet.

19:37:44 asciilifeform: for so long as the racket of letting an average salaried schmuck borrow $MAXINT to repay for the rest of his life - the price floor will remain.

19:40:01 nubbins`: so

19:40:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.041 = 0.328 BTC [-]

19:40:04 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/tuyA5pC

19:40:04 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

19:40:09 nubbins`: ^ i got a $50 parking ticket today

19:40:15 nubbins`: for parking too close to the stop sign.

19:41:34 nubbins`: "but maybe they put the permit parking sign in the wrong location"

19:41:37 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/n2mH95j

19:41:37 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

19:41:51 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/7SqpDa8

19:41:51 ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

19:42:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't that ohio guy quoting in the 20k range ?

19:42:51 asciilifeform: ohio.

19:42:55 mircea_popescu: yea

19:43:01 asciilifeform: i bet alaska is cheaper still.

19:43:05 mircea_popescu: nah

19:43:11 mircea_popescu: very expensive. have to ferry all the shit

19:43:26 asciilifeform: ok, arizona.

19:45:17 nubbins`: cost of goods in alaska, too

19:45:27 nubbins`: have fun buying $50 watermelons

19:46:07 asciilifeform: i suspect that many people in usa would happily eat $50 watermelons in a $1000 house.

19:46:22 nubbins`: not sure about the usa, but if a canadian takes a job "up north", they get a government subsidy called the "northern allowance" to offset the increased price of goods

19:46:25 asciilifeform: but for some reason alaska climate puts them off.

19:46:35 nubbins`: $1000 house? nice try

19:47:01 nubbins`: $250k would get you a shack

19:47:32 asciilifeform: as mp pointed out some time last week, dynamiting the permafrost to lay foundations is costly, etc.

19:48:36 asciilifeform: one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold

19:48:49 asciilifeform: by auto-segregating

19:48:53 benkay: this poor kid

19:48:57 nubbins`: http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073586_free.jpg

19:49:19 benkay: "i'm doing an internship this summer, and apparently i need to take an ethics course before i'm eligible for credits from the internship"

19:49:21 asciilifeform: nubbins`: where?

19:49:29 nubbins`: nunavut, canada

19:49:39 benkay: welcome to the us, where you can't even work without the permission of the bureaucracy

19:49:41 nubbins`: home of the $50 watermelon and the $28 head of cabbage

19:50:21 benkay: at least you don't have to take a class to do an internship, nubbins`

19:50:34 nubbins`: rent/mortgage is 30% higher than south of 60, as well

19:50:36 nubbins`: on average

19:50:40 nubbins`: so much for cheap houses :D

19:50:56 nubbins`: benkay: internships are for suckers :D

19:51:25 asciilifeform: the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight

19:52:30 asciilifeform: to understand how this works, visit any u.s. location where the folks subsisting on gov. 'welfare' and petty crime can afford to live.

19:52:53 nubbins`: http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073554_free.jpg

19:52:58 nubbins`: http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073567_free.jpg

19:53:18 asciilifeform: (keeping them out via any means other than price is thoroughly forbidden by various laws, decades old at this point)

19:53:29 nubbins`: http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/231471/slide_231471_1073614_free.jpg

19:53:39 mircea_popescu: benkay "credits" = ?

19:53:58 nubbins`: uni courses are generally assigned a number of credits

19:54:06 nubbins`: when i went, three credits per course was the norm

19:54:18 nubbins`: some courses with less hours (say, labs) would be 2 credits

19:54:29 nubbins`: and you need X credits to get Y degree

19:54:52 Namworld: Hey, Compliments brand

19:54:54 asciilifeform: nubbins`: three credits per course was the norm << same. but with some comical undershoot. e.g. 'operating systems' took about 40h/week of actual work for most of the kids, but earned... 4 credit.

19:55:01 nubbins`: :(

19:55:04 nubbins`: TANJ

19:55:17 nubbins`: Namworld, you have Sobeys? :D

19:55:43 asciilifeform: given that most u.s. uni courses are priced per credit, few complain.

19:56:30 nubbins`: my entire bachelor's degree was a comical undershoot

19:56:40 Namworld: No, we have Metro

19:57:21 nubbins`: interesting, never heard of it

19:57:27 nubbins`: Compliments brand is owned by Sobeys

19:58:02 mircea_popescu: i went to school in a time before credits.

19:58:09 Namworld: Wait, wrong one... Compliments is from IGA

19:58:11 mircea_popescu: you wanted a degree, you had to pass all of a dozen or so courses.

19:58:39 nubbins`: a whole dozen courses!

19:58:54 nubbins`: i had to pass that many in my first year ;(

19:59:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18126 @ 0.0008845 = 16.0324 BTC [+]

19:59:45 benkay: i hear tell of a mythical time where one could attempt the US bar without having a law degree.

19:59:46 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/kenny-green-sentence-recommendation-shocks-victim-s-family-1.2637181

19:59:46 ozbot: Kenny Green sentence recommendation shocks victim's family - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

20:00:00 princessnell: egalitarians require we take their religion classes ("multicultural" courses) to graduate with any degree in most us universities

20:00:04 nubbins`: ^ this murder happened about 50 metres from my house

20:00:15 nubbins`: good to know i'll be passing the guy in the street in a couple years

20:00:29 asciilifeform: benkay: after a few people did this, and passed, they tightened the screws

20:00:45 nubbins`: asciilifeform, benkay: gotta pay the piper!

20:00:48 benkay: didn't several us presidents do that asciilifeform ?

20:01:06 asciilifeform: long ago. before the 'edukation' racket.

20:01:08 nubbins`: FWIW this is loosely the plot of the tv show "suits"

20:01:29 Namworld: Oh, Sobeys bought the group that held the IGA franchise in 1998. Explain why they use same brand now.

20:01:33 nubbins`: genius finds himself taking bar exams for crappy students, ends up working sans degree at a prestigious law firm

20:02:05 nubbins`: Namworld: nod, all a big mess. reminiscent of loblaws/superstore/dominion all selling President's Choice

20:03:19 bounce: there's the pay people to do homework racket. I'd be interested in selling such services (getting paid to learn? cool) except that it'd enable idiots to get diplomas.

20:03:23 Namworld: Eh, when it comes to food brands, it's all convoluted with sub-companies and multiple trademarks.

20:03:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` whio the fuck can even pay attention to 12 things in a year

20:03:41 mircea_popescu: benkay you still can.

20:05:28 Namworld: Like most of the stuff in stores is like what, ultimately owned by 2-3 large conglomerates?

20:06:57 asciilifeform: getting paid to learn? cool << visit a u.s. uni, and see what kind of 'learning' you will do, if you were to take up this work.

20:07:04 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: not me, as it turns out :D

20:07:08 nubbins`: not very well, at least

20:07:22 bounce: the "name brand" stuff, yes. like, unilever, kraft, nestle?

20:07:53 Namworld: yeah

20:08:17 bounce: the own brand stuff is made to spec by smaller shops, though they make (supposedly to different spec) for various chains

20:08:40 Namworld: Of course now with home brands, there's less of this "name brand", but still.

20:08:58 nubbins`: ah, the wonders of outsourcing

20:09:16 nubbins`: vertically integrated supply chains don't really allow for this

20:09:24 nubbins`: not to the same degree, anyway

20:11:11 benkay: !up locksley

20:11:11 assbot: Voicing locksley for 30 minutes.

20:11:20 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/how-do-you-take-apart-a-150-tonne-whale-1.2637654

20:11:20 ozbot: How do you take apart a 150-tonne whale? - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

20:11:30 benkay: DYNAMITE

20:11:31 nubbins`: bunch of whales got trapped in the ice here recently

20:11:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]

20:11:45 nubbins`: washed up on the shores of some small communities

20:11:46 bounce: don't need a how-to for that. blow it up before it blows itself up.

20:12:00 nubbins`: the royal ontario museum graciously took possession of the carcasses

20:12:17 bounce: sold the meat to japan, or what?

20:12:23 nubbins`: heh

20:12:32 nubbins`: nah, analyzing all of the tissue and bringing the skeleton to a museum

20:12:43 nubbins`: turns out blue whale carcasses are incredibly hard to come by

20:13:08 nubbins`: i spent some time in trout river two years ago, strange Deliverance-esque place

20:13:56 nubbins`: very tiny, very rural community, surrounded by -- but not part of -- a national park and UNESCO world heritage site

20:21:24 Namworld: There's a shortage of huge, hanging whale skeletons?

20:21:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10212 @ 0.0008845 = 9.0325 BTC [+]

20:22:53 mircea_popescu: princessnell no, a restaurant that accepts btc is not a bitcoin entrepreneur

20:23:09 mircea_popescu: but, they're for some reason really desperate to push this everyman btc angle, so...

20:23:28 Namworld: Hey, they actually look pretty nice https://www.flickr.com/photos/beatymuseum/4661706048/in/set-72157623691146419/

20:23:38 Namworld: I can see why they would be in demand.

20:23:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697 = 0.1539 BTC [+]

20:25:08 bitcoinpete: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/05/bitcoin-miner-maker-fires-half-its-staff-declares-were-not-scammers/

20:25:21 benkay: bitcoinpete: what are the target capitals?

20:25:21 bitcoinpete: hashfast lulz via princessnell

20:25:22 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what about a restaurant that only accepts BTC?

20:25:33 mircea_popescu: i guess.

20:25:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

20:25:49 bitcoinpete: benkay: let's decide right now

20:26:02 bitcoinpete: i imagine they'd be in europe and asia

20:26:08 benkay: buenos aires

20:26:09 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete which one is this one ?

20:26:16 nubbins`: Namworld nod, graceful giants

20:26:35 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/09/the-rothschilds-of-bitcoin/

20:26:36 ozbot: The Rothschilds of Bitcoin | When Bitcoin Met Pete

20:27:11 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: figuring out where to put the capitals of finance for the 21st and 22nd centuries

20:27:26 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete no i mean the bitcoin miner

20:27:58 mircea_popescu: o hash fast yea

20:28:03 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: o http://hashfast.com/about-us/

20:28:15 bitcoinpete: "san fransisco-based"

20:28:38 princessnell: mircea_popescu i know. i have to be demure.

20:28:54 bitcoinpete: ceo is "Eduardo deCastro is a serial entrepreneur with a long track record of success"

20:29:23 mircea_popescu: what's being demure like ?

20:29:46 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete "A long track record of success, omitted here for reasons that were in turn omitted"

20:30:01 nubbins`: i've imagined it to be like having a secret, but i suspect that's more due to my not being demure by nature than to an actual understanding of the condition

20:30:04 benkay: hey -assets nginx or apache?

20:30:15 nubbins`: benkay IIS

20:30:23 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: it's so uncouth to name names

20:30:30 nubbins`: ;D

20:30:36 bitcoinpete: hashfast vp of engineering: Amy most recently came from Engine Yard, where in less than two years she went from Senior Developer to Director of Engineering. She oversaw the development of the flagship product, EY Cloud, growing revenue by over 60% in one year.

20:30:47 princessnell: it's about putting an idea in someone's head without outright saying it

20:31:15 joecool: "serial entrepreneur"

20:31:29 mircea_popescu: princessnell my only familiarity with the term is in the context "he proposed but she demured", ie, how to end up a spinster.

20:32:14 benkay: demur != demure

20:32:16 princessnell: ah. i see.

20:32:53 benkay: demur 0> demurred

20:32:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]

20:32:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00088242 = 12.6627 BTC [-] {2}

20:33:02 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: what's this definition in context stuff? i could've sworn we had dictionaries for a reason ;)

20:33:13 benkay: demure is something else entirely.

20:33:15 fluffypony: bitcoinpete: senior dev to director of engineering in 2 years? seems legit.

20:33:28 benkay: fluffypony: engineyard. seems legit.

20:33:40 princessnell: this is more or less what i mean: http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.aspx?article=871

20:33:45 benkay: derpy rails hosting operation dot butts

20:33:49 fluffypony: lol

20:33:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]

20:34:11 mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete yeah, and the dictionaries end up looking like lists of contexts

20:34:25 mircea_popescu: fluffypony you dispute the track record of success ?

20:34:31 nubbins`: ;;dict demur

20:34:32 gribble: wn: demur n 1: (law) a formal objection to an opponent's pleadings [syn: {demur}, {demurral}, {demurrer}] v 1: take exception to; "he demurred at my suggestion to work on Saturday" [syn: {demur}, {except}] 2: enter a demurrer

20:34:37 nubbins`: ;;dict demure

20:34:38 gribble: wn: demure adj 1: affectedly modest or shy especially in a playful or provocative way [syn: {coy}, {demure}, {overmodest}]

20:34:49 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I dispute that "Director of Engineering" means what they think it means

20:35:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` they're not really distinct. same root, abranch was broken off to rub clits with is all.

20:35:12 nubbins`: broken branch nub rub

20:35:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony would you prefer engineer of directoring ?

20:35:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5012 @ 0.0008845 = 4.4331 BTC [+]

20:36:05 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: they should call a spade a spade and just say "was still a senior developer, but we lost a bunch of managers and needed a lead developer that needed a sense of self-importance"

20:36:08 mircea_popescu: edm life added you to list edmnewsdaily/awesome-people-108

20:36:15 mircea_popescu: this dude has 108 lists of awesome people ?

20:36:18 mircea_popescu: i wanna be him now.

20:36:18 fluffypony: lol

20:36:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony your spade is very lengthy.

20:36:45 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's what she said

20:37:44 bitcoinpete: http://www.sec.gov/News/Speech/Detail/Speech/1370541764008#.U207v1za7FK

20:37:45 ozbot: SEC.gov | Remarks to the Council of Institutional Investors

20:38:02 asciilifeform: ever notice how the tech hucksters use names like 'rails,' 'engine yard,' etc. - meant to evoke pictures of an era when industry was still in good health

20:38:24 mircea_popescu: yea

20:38:25 bitcoinpete: "The federal securities laws are built upon the premise that an informed investor is the key to robust and efficient nature of our markets." << the root problems

20:38:39 fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah, I'm waiting for one of the CEOs to start calling himself "the Conductor"

20:39:15 asciilifeform: Conducător.

20:39:43 fluffypony: lol

20:39:44 asciilifeform: Il Conduttore.

20:39:44 asciilifeform: etc

20:40:01 fluffypony: Serial Entrepreductor

20:40:08 bitcoinpete: "Questions about whether a market is trustworthy go to the heart of a market’s survival. Is the market fair? Is it efficient? How does it facilitate capital formation? Are investors protected? Do you trust it?"

20:40:48 mircea_popescu: ;;google Conducător

20:40:49 gribble: Conducător - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conduc%C4%83tor; conducător - Wiktionary: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conduc%C4%83tor; Şcoala Tînărului Conducător Ediţia XII-a - Seara Culturală, CLT ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRu8HyvFTwk

20:41:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 69 @ 0.07508565 = 5.1809 BTC [+] {2}

20:41:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 245 @ 0.041 = 10.045 BTC [-]

20:41:20 mircea_popescu: this is what various romanian derps called themselves

20:41:25 asciilifeform: aye

20:41:34 davout: bitcointalk is so fucking priceless sometimes

20:41:35 asciilifeform: i didn't pull it directly out of me arse

20:41:40 mircea_popescu: a ok

20:41:48 davout: "Personally, I like cryptostocks except for the amount of scams on it"

20:41:51 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

20:42:26 mircea_popescu: funny how terminally braindamaged entities which by the very definition of the term can not possibly have a personal relation to anything

20:42:29 asciilifeform: 'i like rotting meat just fine except for the number of weevils'

20:42:31 jborkl: Hashfast update blog We are not scammers- we are just really fucking stupid

20:42:35 mircea_popescu: liberally sprinkle "personally" in coversation

20:42:38 jborkl: http://hashfast.com/on-why-were-not-scammers/

20:43:18 bitcoinpete: jborkl: now there's a difference

20:43:54 mircea_popescu: this should become part of hs curricula

20:44:05 mircea_popescu: "write a 500 word essay as to why you're not a scammer"

20:44:52 jborkl: amazing team

20:44:52 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:45:03 jborkl: heh still rings true

20:45:22 jborkl: kako you need to add amazing team now

20:45:22 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:46:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.041 = 0.492 BTC [-]

20:46:18 davout: i should make a bot that echoes assbot, the chan would explode the instant someone says amazing

20:46:18 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:46:20 mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/g32bBRLV

20:46:25 mircea_popescu: any bets as to what she does next?

20:46:42 mircea_popescu: sues me for e-bullying ? aneurism ?

20:50:03 bitcoinpete: so who can hook me up with a coinbr referral code?

20:50:22 mircea_popescu: jurov ?

20:51:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

20:51:46 jborkl: mircea-popescu : Did I really see the Bitcoin awards list or was someone goofing?

20:52:33 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: that'd be awesome if jurov would

20:53:04 bitcoinpete: unless someone else wants to scoop it

20:53:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07260599 = 0.363 BTC [-] {4}

20:53:57 thestringpuller: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

20:54:01 thestringpuller: I know Gina Luttrell

20:54:14 thestringpuller: WOW

20:54:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.041 = 0.369 BTC [-]

20:54:29 thestringpuller: more amazing than assbot

20:54:29 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

20:54:50 mircea_popescu: jborkl i have no idea

20:55:01 benkay: mircea_popescu: i don't know how you have the fucks to give about people who communicate in gifs.

20:55:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: languages and the arts: see if you can digest this russian tidbit: 'Штирлиц встал с позаранку и отодрал занавеску. Он не знал, что Позаранку и Занавеску - румынские разведчицы.'

20:55:13 mircea_popescu: jborkl how would you distinguish between those two cases ?

20:55:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07696999 = 0.3079 BTC [+]

20:55:18 mircea_popescu: either way it's someone goofing.

20:55:26 jborkl: well, touche

20:55:37 mircea_popescu: benkay nono, really angry mediocre middle aged woman. she KNOWS.

20:55:49 mircea_popescu: feminism is like fucking math, forget social sciences. you can be wrong in feminism nao.

20:56:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, the turmoil of the unworthy amuses me. i'm not the sort that calls the cops if you break in.

20:57:00 mircea_popescu: i'm the sort that shoots you in both shoulders and both knees, then pulls a chair close and watches you bleed.

20:57:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07696999 = 0.6927 BTC [+] {2}

20:57:24 thestringpuller: so why is Gina whining?

20:57:35 mircea_popescu: i dunno, someone was wrong.

20:57:35 thestringpuller: some feminist mumbo jumbo I presume

20:57:44 mircea_popescu: on like the internet or something. i didn't go into that much detail.

20:57:45 thestringpuller: obviously not her

20:58:00 mircea_popescu: i just realised that her name is gina and she goes by VGsomething

20:58:05 thestringpuller: never argue with a girl from Agnes Scott

20:58:14 thestringpuller: she's proud of her vagina?

20:58:18 mircea_popescu: what's agnes scott ?

20:58:23 thestringpuller: ;;google Agnes Scott

20:58:24 gribble: Agnes Scott College: http://www.agnesscott.edu/; Agnes Scott: http://athletics.agnesscott.edu/; Agnes Scott College - Admission: http://www.agnesscott.edu/admission/

20:58:34 thestringpuller: an all girls college

20:58:37 asciilifeform: 'my vagina is my village.' - seen printed on a tshirt, at the university i live near.

20:58:38 thestringpuller: here in Atlanta

20:58:47 mircea_popescu: like a vassar for poor midwestern would be carrie bradshaws ?

21:01:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stirlitz rose from sofa and tore at the curtain, wherein a romanian spy was hiding ?

21:02:23 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea pretty much that. also most guys are told not to date anyone from there because they may run off with your penis in the middle of the night

21:03:24 Apocalyptic: i lol'd

21:03:25 mircea_popescu: i imagine they make great lays actually.

21:04:29 mircea_popescu: "Hysteresis defeatism interprets a weak recovery due to inadequate stimulus as a reason not to try more stimulus"

21:04:37 mircea_popescu: ahaha i would say i have my twitter tuned to perfection.

21:05:08 mircea_popescu: "hysteresis" you see. it's like, all scientific and crap.

21:05:11 mircea_popescu: like global warming

21:05:32 mircea_popescu: no wait. i mean like catastrophic racist white man made computer driven opression.

21:05:35 mircea_popescu: or w/e it's called now

21:06:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00085021 = 0.17 BTC [-]

21:06:35 asciilifeform: 1) get academtard job 2) connect 'shannonizer' 3) profit

21:07:09 asciilifeform: (in case anyone thinks this only works for the pheminists, http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763 )

21:07:34 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i imagine they make great lays actually. << oh most definitely but i was told never to put your dick in crazy no matter how good the lay is

21:07:47 asciilifeform: obligatory (oldie):

21:07:48 asciilifeform: http://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv

21:07:49 ozbot: arXiv vs. snarXiv

21:08:23 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well if you listen to everything you're told...

21:10:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stierlitz rose bright-and-early ('с позаранку') and tore back the curtain ('отодрал занавеску'). little did he know that Позаранку and Занавеску were Romanian spygirls. ('отодрал' can also mean 'fucked raw'; the first segment is a gag on the rus. accusative declension '-у.)

21:11:03 mircea_popescu: lol

21:11:04 Apocalyptic: oh most definitely but i was told never to put your dick in crazy no matter how good the lay is // they prolly wanted to keep them for themselves

21:12:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'встал с позаранку' in this case - 'lifted himself off Pozaranku'

21:12:58 asciilifeform: 'traduttore tradittore.'

21:13:12 asciilifeform: why did i even try.

21:15:23 jborkl: 'my vagina is my village.' - seen printed on a tshirt, at the university i live near. <1. That is a really big vagina 2. Does that mean they live in vagina village or that they are lesbo? I dont get it

21:15:36 asciilifeform: jborkl: i didn't ask.

21:15:40 jborkl: heh

21:16:40 asciilifeform: all i could think of was the infamous 'we had to destroy the village in order to save it' (u.s. papers, circa vietnam war)

21:17:13 jborkl: that pussy got pounded

21:17:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.03320007 = 0.4648 BTC [+] {2}

21:17:43 jborkl: I crack myself up

21:18:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 155 @ 0.03300204 = 5.1153 BTC [-] {2}

21:19:24 mircea_popescu: one quarterpounder of pussy

21:19:25 mircea_popescu: no cheez.

21:19:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0065379 = 0.353 BTC [+]

21:20:04 jborkl: haha gross

21:20:16 jborkl: I can't believe you said that I am so offended

21:20:27 mircea_popescu: i wonder what % of the various derps i ask for a quote from, receive a horribly mangled piece of nonsense that I never reply to realise that they fucked up.

21:21:07 mircea_popescu: also, http://i.imgur.com/BVyJ0ZR.gif

21:21:44 asciilifeform: this animal is better known for the other end of its digestive tract...

21:24:35 mircea_popescu: hehe yea

21:24:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03172482 = 0.3172 BTC [+]

21:25:23 mike_c: i'm all for free speech and what not, but you guys are being really generous not cutting this crap: http://bitbet.us/bet/832/difficulty-at-block-302-400-over-10-billion/#c2887

21:25:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]

21:26:21 BingoBoingo: mike_c: There is no greater endorsement that would be competitors being forced to advertise on your platform.

21:26:27 BingoBoingo: *than

21:26:50 mike_c: yes, but generally you make them pay for the privelege

21:27:29 mircea_popescu: eh fuck em, you tell me someone's going to bother select that gnarl and paste it in browswe window ?

21:28:00 mircea_popescu: let the kids have their free speech, they'll use it for a good purpose whether they want to or not.

21:29:10 pankkake: bitcoinpete: https://coinbr.com/ref?c=V1CUawCMeE if not too late

21:29:53 bitcoinpete: sorry pankkake and artifexd, looks like peterL scooped it

21:30:09 mircea_popescu: he dun scooped ?

21:30:09 bitcoinpete: it's a peter thing

21:30:52 artifexd: The penalty for reading the logs in batches instead of realtime...

21:32:00 pankkake: what are the numbers in the fairly thing? I don't get it

21:33:19 mircea_popescu: lol quora joins yc

21:33:43 mircea_popescu: wasn't the new paul graham derping about how they "frown" on corps that went through other "accelerators" because they should have been already accelerated ?

21:34:26 benkay: that's not an acceleration nearly as much as it is a prolonging of imminent demise

21:35:08 mircea_popescu: i hjave no idea wtf they must have been thinking.

21:35:43 mircea_popescu: isn;t that thing proposing that it's worth ~1bn, ie more than mpex these days ?

21:35:43 pankkake: isn't quora just a forum where ycombinators derp at each other?

21:35:47 mike_c: quora just closed an $80m funding round..

21:35:48 mircea_popescu: pretty much.

21:35:56 mircea_popescu: mike_c wasn't it 150mn ?

21:35:58 pankkake: why. WHY

21:35:58 mircea_popescu: someone pulled out ?

21:36:15 mircea_popescu: pankkake i dunno why dood. ask mike_c, he understands the whys of marketcaps.

21:36:15 mike_c: maybe you saw the total. they've raised 140 total

21:36:27 mircea_popescu: mike_c a right you are.

21:37:22 mike_c: YC companies are supposed to hand over 6% of their company to join

21:38:03 mircea_popescu: i dunno how the fuck a fixed % can work

21:38:05 asciilifeform: for investment of... $15k ?

21:38:07 asciilifeform: last i checked

21:38:23 bitcoinpete: mike_c: ayup, i know a guy who's going to san fran for 3 months this summer to go through the yc meat processor. it's 6%

21:38:25 asciilifeform: (and, of course, a drink of 'holy water')

21:38:47 mike_c: well, obviously no fucking way quora is doing that.

21:40:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11057 @ 0.00088522 = 9.7879 BTC [+]

21:42:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12518 @ 0.00088423 = 11.0688 BTC [-] {2}

21:43:27 benkay: they bumped to 140k i b'leev.

21:43:30 benkay: dat qe.

21:43:56 asciilifeform: 140k barely buys a garbage truck.

21:45:30 benkay: yc companies barely out-revenue a single-truck garbage hauling operation.

21:46:12 fluffypony: http://yclist.com

21:46:21 fluffypony: turn off active and exited so you're only looking at Dead

21:47:06 fluffypony: "Whitenoise is like a social network for the music industry."

21:47:10 benkay: FitFU

21:47:13 benkay: yeah that's great.

21:47:55 fluffypony: I say we pick one of these every week, setup a bullshit site, and list it on BitcoinBourse or CryptoStocks

21:47:56 fluffypony: see how long before someone notices

21:48:31 benkay: hue hue hue

21:50:10 mircea_popescu: lol

21:50:54 mircea_popescu: and spend the proceeds on lobbying for having vessenes appointed submarine captain in the vietnamese fleet ?

21:51:06 fluffypony: hah hah

21:51:13 mircea_popescu: (which, btw, is and has been for a while engaged in a standoff with th echinese fleet over some shoals

21:51:24 mircea_popescu: apparently those people exist to stick in superpowers' beaks)

21:51:57 bounce: so garbage hauling is a sound investment, you say? fan of the fun lovin' criminals perchance?

21:52:03 fluffypony: OR we spend the money lobbying to have Kim Jong-un voted on to the Bitcoin Foundation

21:52:12 mircea_popescu: or both. why not have both ?

21:52:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.0008877 = 27.2524 BTC [+] {3}

21:52:22 fluffypony: both it is!

21:52:45 bounce: bit late, two guys got voted in today. getting someone booted would help. who'd you want booted?

21:53:24 mircea_popescu: i bashed this entire thing btw. it's too lulzy

21:57:41 fluffypony: davout: "MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells" <- we forgot to ask him how we're shells

21:57:41 fluffypony: seashells?

21:58:08 jborkl: No Mpex has the double cheery truck seal

21:58:10 pankkake: fluffypony: cd troll ; ls

21:58:21 jborkl: so no scam, what award do they have?

21:58:28 davout: fluffypony: if the guy was able to write properly he probably wouldn't be that retarded :D

21:58:31 fluffypony: pankkake: core dumped

21:58:42 pankkake: stock pumped

21:58:52 fluffypony: whoot whoot, buy neo&bee!

21:59:20 fluffypony: actually I have found a place worse than the forums

21:59:39 fluffypony: the chat box / troll box on btc-e or cryptsy is WAY worse than the forums

22:00:00 mircea_popescu: lmao

22:00:03 mircea_popescu: you're such a noob.

22:00:27 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: twas accidental

22:00:48 fluffypony: support button is on the left, chat is on the right, I clicked the wrong one

22:00:52 fluffypony: then it was like watching a car accident

22:00:58 fluffypony: I couldn't turn away for like 5 minutes

22:01:03 jborkl: Havelock to Sponsor Int. Kickboxing Event

22:01:16 jborkl: jean claude van damme to headline

22:01:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 101 @ 0.0063799 = 0.6444 BTC [-] {2}

22:01:25 mircea_popescu: fluffypony no but i mean "o hey guise, i discovered trollbox on btce"

22:01:29 mircea_popescu: kinda public knowledge :D

22:02:00 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: o yes, was just generally commenting on it being the bottom of the barrel

22:04:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2654 @ 0.00088401 = 2.3462 BTC [-]

22:04:30 mircea_popescu: yea

22:10:49 fluffypony: http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/05/05/tokyo-sexwale-accused-of-trying-to-blackmail-wife-over-hardcore-porn

22:10:52 ozbot: Tokyo Sexwale accused of trying to blackmail wife over hardcore porn - Times LIVE

22:11:00 fluffypony: title is all you need

22:12:01 benkay: what a name

22:12:36 benkay: http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2010/11/03/schoolgirls-caught-at-booze-and-porn-party

22:12:50 benkay: "A group of 13-year-old girls from Nelson Mandela Bay's elite Collegiate High School have landed in hot water after being caught sipping vodka and watching a pornographic video - allegedly of one of them having sex with her boyfriend - on a cellphone.

22:12:51 benkay: "

22:13:01 benkay: i'll just squeeze this beer.

22:19:30 fluffypony: davout, pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/hiKVziV.jpg

22:19:42 pankkake: lol

22:19:54 mircea_popescu: so what is the problem ?

22:20:16 fluffypony: I don't think there's an implied problem in that graph, it's more a statement of fact :-P

22:20:35 davout: fluffypony: lol, already old in france-land tho

22:20:58 davout: do you know how i can easily make a horse laugh ?

22:21:11 fluffypony: tell him a joke?

22:21:15 mircea_popescu: not the graph, the 13yos

22:21:21 davout: i tell him my dick is larger than his

22:21:25 fluffypony: lol

22:21:31 davout: now do you know how i make him cry ?

22:21:43 fluffypony: no clue

22:21:45 mircea_popescu: show him your gf ? :D

22:21:49 davout: show him my dick

22:22:08 davout: dad's joke #7244

22:22:11 fluffypony: lol

22:22:31 fluffypony: so Joel McHale's White House Correspondant's dinner speech was so bad they cancelled Community

22:22:32 mircea_popescu: it is a pretty good joke

22:22:41 fluffypony: season 5 will be the end

22:22:44 mircea_popescu: fluffypony dude WAS atrocious.

22:22:51 fluffypony: yeah he bombed

22:24:32 benkay: poor guy

22:24:36 benkay: blamed for shit he didn't even write

22:24:43 punkman: was gonna get canceled anyway

22:25:11 mircea_popescu: everyone fancies themselves a comedian these days,

22:25:19 mircea_popescu: it's the singer-songwriter of the 2010s

22:25:36 mircea_popescu: benkay his timing was worse, and generally,

22:25:47 punkman: first couple of seasons were full of tvtrope orgasms

22:25:48 mircea_popescu: guy;s a talentless hack. you probably have coworkers more talented

22:26:08 fluffypony: punkman: agreed, it was way too long in the teeth. that's the problem with fan-driven show "resurrections", often the fans are too embroiled in the show to realise that it's time to die.

22:26:20 bounce: let's write a series then

22:26:42 benkay: coworkers?!

22:27:05 benkay: okay on a different note

22:27:13 benkay: how does a distributed team communicate over GPG?

22:27:20 benkay: s/over/with

22:27:33 benkay: email threads + encryption -> nightmare

22:27:59 davout: benkay: it's just a problem with the tool

22:28:39 davout: shouldn't be painful if your mail client is GPG-aware

22:29:31 joecool: davout: distributed

22:29:36 joecool: it's a bitch and a half

22:29:59 joecool: need to have a key for the team to work that way, or encrypt each message with each member's key

22:30:13 davout: joecool: that's dead easy with GPG

22:30:38 joecool: davout: which way and how?

22:30:40 pankkake: the only issue is when people leave or join, otherwise yes it's easy

22:30:41 davout: CLI -> cat message.txt | gpg -a -e -r member1 ... -r memberN -s -u my_key

22:30:48 punkman: shared key kinda works

22:30:57 davout: punkman: shared key is retarded

22:30:58 joecool: shared key is bad for security

22:30:59 pankkake: I use multiple destination a lot, actually

22:31:08 fluffypony: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/I0JQld6.jpg

22:31:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:31:57 benkay: so then you get an email with n giant gpg blobs?

22:31:59 davout: pankkake: yeah, that's dead easy, also multiple recipients is kinda mandatory if you want to be able to decrypt what you encrypt to someone else

22:32:07 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: http://deadspin.com/leaked-internal-scouting-report-the-patriots-do-not-li-1574040417

22:32:08 davout: benkay: no, because GPG uses a proxy key

22:32:19 pankkake: yes, I usually want to know WTF I wrote

22:32:45 davout: it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient

22:33:23 benkay: lovely!

22:33:26 benkay: thank you davout.

22:33:38 joecool: maybe someone in here with a better understanding of the inner workings of gnupg can answer this

22:33:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]

22:34:03 benkay: <davout> it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient // joecool that's the deal right there

22:34:19 mircea_popescu: benkay> email threads + encryption -> nightmare << why ? we don't have a problem here do we ?

22:34:41 benkay: i'm just derpy and didn't know about the multiple recipient procedure mircea_popescu

22:34:42 joecool: benkay: that works, just wasn't sure of how to do it, my query is about something different

22:34:47 mircea_popescu: a a nm

22:34:48 fluffypony: k I'm out, night

22:34:54 mircea_popescu: sleep well fluff

22:34:56 benkay: night fluffer

22:35:07 davout: also, for OSX-fags : pbpaste | gpg -a -e -r recipient1 ... -r recipientN -s -u my_key | pbcopy == encrypt+sign clipboard contents

22:35:10 joecool: i use openpgp smartcards, i don't keep my keys on any other form of storage other than my master key which is kept encrypted on an offline archive disk (this is so i can mint new openpgp smartcards if necessary)

22:35:13 davout: fluffypony: bye

22:35:22 fluffypony: I leave you with this: http://i.imgur.com/SmyTVno.jpg

22:35:43 joecool: but i also have key expiry set, i can't change my key expiry unless i load up gnupg with my offline copy and change it there

22:35:48 davout: fluffypony: nice cameltoe + spelling mistake, should read bitchcoin

22:35:50 joecool: if i try with smartcard it just errors

22:35:56 fluffypony: lol

22:36:13 pankkake: fluffypony: that's better than the golden crackwhore

22:36:40 mircea_popescu: davout> it encrypts the message symetrically IIRC, and only repeats the symmetric key for each recipient << this is correct

22:36:53 mircea_popescu: the only part is the original block cypher encryption at the front that swells

22:37:12 pankkake: fun command of the day: gpg --list-packets

22:38:19 joecool: gah, hate pinentry

22:38:36 davout: joecool: wai, pinentry is cool

22:38:54 joecool: davout: it sucks ass, there's two ways for me to use it

22:39:14 joecool: 1. with ncurses, which it fucks up horribly

22:39:17 davout: pankkake: moar GPG pro-tip, make gpg-agent forget all passphrases : killall -HUP gpg-agent

22:39:39 joecool: 2. with X, which means won't work over screen or in console

22:39:54 joecool: but going back to problem one, it'll just corrupt the term anyway or not show up proper

22:40:31 davout: joecool: wat? when i use it on servers it works fine, and with OSX everything also goes better than expectation, did you try a Ctrl+L to unfuck the term (untested)

22:40:38 joecool: this is a gnupg 2.xx issue, gnupg 1.xx didn't have the problem because it didn't use pinentry

22:40:45 pankkake: yeah, it's annoying, I'm using 2. because of thunderbird, but then I can't use it over ssh without changing the pinentry

22:40:56 davout: joecool: i use 1 with pinentry

22:41:04 Apocalyptic: ncurses is not that bad

22:41:23 davout: joecool: have you tried to use === instead ?

22:41:26 davout: XD

22:41:50 davout: or in french : "ton câble est bien branché? t'as essayé de siffler comme un con?"

22:42:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15265 @ 0.0008831 = 13.4805 BTC [-]

22:48:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.0008881 = 5.7282 BTC [+]

22:50:18 davout: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fein-coin--2

22:50:19 ozbot: Fein Coin | Indiegogo

22:50:35 davout: what has the internet done

22:50:56 mircea_popescu: is it a good thing ?

22:51:10 davout: "You can give Fein Coins for events such as raking a yard or selling a pencil or more."

22:51:38 davout: i need to delete the internet icon from my computer

22:57:04 Namworld: "My name is Ben Fein. I founded Fein Coin with the picture of letting people pay for them the buy gift cards using a mobile app. I came across a idea to make the idea of electronic currency. Enjoy. :)"

22:57:17 Namworld: >>I came across a idea to make the idea of electronic currency.<<

22:58:24 davout: he had me at "Fein Coin is a e-currency that in the beginning 1 Fein Coin=$20"

23:00:12 Namworld: That has got to be trolling...

23:00:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00088811 = 23.002 BTC [+] {2}

23:00:21 benkay: amazingly cute ceo

23:00:21 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

23:01:05 mircea_popescu: could he be more retarded ?

23:01:07 Namworld: Wait it's a video... so it's actually a kid...

23:01:22 benkay: couldn't say. is the kid really driving the thing?

23:02:52 Namworld: Maybe he vaguely understands Bitcoin and thinks he's mocking it by being "Look, I'm a kid, I can create money out of thin air too and scam you. See how stupid it is?"

23:03:16 Namworld: or someone else paid a kid to do a short video, for the same reason mentioned above.

23:04:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00088814 = 4.796 BTC [+]

23:04:57 mircea_popescu: that makes a low amt of sense number

23:10:00 jurov: mircea_popescu: coinbr referral code is fully optional, and i scoop the fees by default, so i don't need one myself :D

23:10:54 jurov: it's up to the users to lurk here or publish reflinks if they want referrals

23:11:37 Namworld: Well I'm out for the weekend.

23:12:59 jurov: bye Nam

23:17:12 mod6: <+davout> pankkake: moar GPG pro-tip, make gpg-agent forget all passphrases : killall -HUP gpg-agent << actually, you can avoid having to kill gpg-agent by not starting it up at all. just comment out `use-agent` in gpg.conf

23:17:26 mod6: iirc

23:17:36 pankkake: killall -HUP isn't a real kill, just a signal

23:18:02 mod6: yep: halt-user-process

23:18:02 pankkake: and well, GPG agent is damn useful when you batch sign a lot of things

23:18:20 pankkake: it's often used to tell daemons to reload their config

23:23:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]

23:23:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26721 @ 0.00088662 = 23.6914 BTC [-] {3}

23:25:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.041 = 0.287 BTC [-]

23:29:31 mod6: I don't know why I keep forgetting that it's Hang-Up Process not Halt-User-Process: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGHUP#SIGHUP

23:30:35 mod6: duuuur

23:31:20 jurov: "director of engineering" ..maybe it was the official title for ultimate phone hotline sink for unruly customers?

23:36:14 benkay: derprectum of engineering

23:38:45 artifexd: jurov: Can you answer a question about deposits into coinbr?

23:39:55 davout: pankkake: "killall -HUP isn't a real kill, just a signal" <<< the HUP signal, so?

23:40:23 davout: mod6: nah, it's actually HANGUP

23:41:02 bounce: "SIGHUP [...] terminal line hangup"

23:41:11 davout: mod6: also i like my gpg-agent running, otherwise i woukdn't, you know, run it :D

23:43:00 davout: killall -HUP davout

23:45:47 mod6: <.<

23:47:57 jurov: artifexd yes?

23:49:06 artifexd: The amount I deposited doesn't match the amount I was credited. I originally thought the missing amount was the monthly fee because it was on 1 May.

23:49:47 artifexd: But the management fee came out 3 days later.

23:50:06 artifexd: So, is there a policy about rounding deposits?

23:50:30 benkay: jurov: scamm0r!

23:50:58 jurov: no that must have been a mistake

23:51:08 jurov: which tx was it?

23:51:55 artifexd: The order # in coinbr is 3985

23:52:28 artifexd: The bitcoin tx id is 955cb8cf9b4e936a9d79b49331aa29c8fb135d639649438211c3de5fcd88145b

23:53:06 artifexd: It isn't enough for me to be upset about. But I was curious.

23:54:07 jurov: thanks for report, looking...