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00:10:04 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

00:12:47 mike_c: cazalla: which rating is it?

00:13:35 cazalla: the one i left thestringpuller, it's dated nov 2014 but i believe that was when i first gave him a rating

00:13:43 mike_c: thx

00:16:17 mike_c: that's how it is in the db.

00:16:33 mike_c: kakobrekla: what's the current strategy for rating timestamps? Just one stamp that is first-rated?

00:17:42 mike_c: cazalla: yeah.. note that it is a 'since' timestamp. http://w.b-a.link/user/cazalla/

00:17:43 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX430g )

00:19:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71800 @ 0.0002579 = 18.5172 BTC [+] {3}

00:19:07 cazalla: seems to have dropped a few ratings i made prior to to april 2014 as well

00:24:10 mike_c: hm, that's not good. they aren't on the b-a page?

00:28:19 SamouraiWallet: cool system. tying in wot with irc +v

00:28:31 mircea_popescu: it is.

00:29:24 cazalla: mike_c, actually a lot more is missing.. on bitcoin-otc i've received 19 ratings (WoT Browser shows 15) and sent 25 on bitcoin-otc (WoT Browser shows 16), these are old ones which i assume should've been included in the snapshot

00:29:54 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo jesus christ the deluge of verbiage from these people. that two line call-out in #bitcoin-dev has produced almost a million lines of derpage, on irc, on reddit, on personal blogs, everywhere.

00:30:09 mircea_popescu: if this isn't disarray i have nfi what is. these people don't even have a forum, a venue where to discuss their shit.

00:30:47 mircea_popescu: cazalla i missed ratings i made after gribble went down, on gribble's wot. like for instance the phantomcircuit one i discovered missing yest, was made in february.

00:30:52 mircea_popescu: would this explain it ?

00:31:24 cazalla: these are older than that, ratings made in 2014

00:31:28 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv5uspQdbH1r4p8klo1_1280.jpg << girl around the house.

00:31:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX4CHm )

00:31:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously. One little threat they call crazy and all of a sudden it comes out no one but Hearn supports Gavincoin while The core devs seem to reveal in turn the never actually thought much on the future.

00:33:18 mircea_popescu: cazalla it's the case for the -10 to rozal (id 37459 on gribble wot) for instance.

00:34:16 decimation: who is the guy who decided to pay gavin's salary?

00:34:41 mircea_popescu: shit mike_c he has a point. take "36335 cazalla OgNasty 5 2014-08-10 10:18:57 -1" on http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=cazalla&sign=ANY&type=SENT , not present in http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/cazalla/

00:34:42 assbot: Rating Details for User 'cazalla' ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSdB1Q )

00:34:43 assbot: cazalla WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1zSdCmk )

00:34:50 cazalla: mircea_popescu, two i sent in july and august of 2014 are missing from new wot though

00:35:20 mircea_popescu: decimation foundation didn't do reporting at the time, remember ? col brian foley, for all you know.

00:37:14 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is it possible ratings got lost over the import ?

00:38:06 decimation: no I thought it was some dutch dude

00:38:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70610 @ 0.00025835 = 18.2421 BTC [+]

00:38:48 BingoBoingo: decimation: Ah Janssens. MIT ended up beating him for Gavin's affection

00:39:57 decimation: I guess he preferred direct government employment

00:41:45 decimation: re: blazing saddles < I didn't get the german speaking indians until I saw this poem (lifted from google's shitty usenet archive) http://dpaste.com/21FWHSJ

00:41:46 assbot: dpaste: 21FWHSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX58Fc )

00:42:23 mircea_popescu: !s Uncleftish

00:42:24 assbot: 2 results for 'Uncleftish' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Uncleftish

00:42:41 decimation: it turns out that english without latin words sounds very 'primative', so I assumed mel brooks was making an inside joke on writing hollywood indian dialogue

00:42:57 danielpbarron: it's because ognasty doesn't have a gpg key http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=OgNasty

00:42:58 assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX5aNm )

00:43:42 mircea_popescu: oh!

00:43:58 mircea_popescu: cazalla : it only imported gpg based identities, not bitcoin address based.

00:44:02 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mike_c nm, false alarm.

00:44:28 mircea_popescu: this was in the fucking spec, but i forgot

00:47:54 cazalla: ah makes sense

00:52:50 asciilifeform: 'Today Bitcoin Core is easily >100 times faster to synchronize and relay than when I first got involved on the same hardware, but these improvements have been swallowed by the growth.' << ahahahahaha the headers-first idiocy

00:52:58 asciilifeform: we should kiss the arse, aha

00:53:21 mircea_popescu: "today bitcoin core is so far diverged from bitcoin i have no idea why anyone even mentions it"

00:55:51 BingoBoingo: The (lack of) value of fiat contracts http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/08/news/companies/arod-players-union/index.html

00:55:52 assbot: Union preparing to fight for A-Rod's $6 million home run bonus - May. 8, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX5FHi )

00:56:16 mircea_popescu: what';s the story there ?

00:58:11 joecool: typical sort of error when trying to run core client

00:58:12 joecool: bitcoin-qt: symbol lookup error: bitcoin-qt: undefined symbol: _ZN6google8protobuf8internal13empty_string_E

00:59:02 ben_vulpes: fuck dat NOISE

00:59:09 asciilifeform: wat.

00:59:11 ben_vulpes: are you serious.

00:59:16 joecool: i am

00:59:28 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: A-Rod still has that 10 year contract with the Yankees that says he gets bonuses for ever time he progresses along certain career milestones. He spent all last year suspended because "if you can you must" so now this year that he is breaking all of these milestones after spending last year's suspension by chillaxing at the beach the yankees don't want to pay him his contractual bonuses.

00:59:37 ben_vulpes: is that some autonamespacified shitgnomery or something?

01:00:02 mircea_popescu: joecool is this on leveldb ?

01:00:28 *: mircea_popescu doesn't recall ever seeing this one

01:00:32 joecool: mircea_popescu: could be, i have no clue, i haven't really dug into it yet

01:00:47 asciilifeform: on first glance,

01:00:49 asciilifeform: it's a qt-ism

01:00:53 asciilifeform: lose the gui

01:01:27 joecool: could also be that i built it on gcc 5.1 which is proving to be a pile of shit (but this doesn't build in clang either...)

01:01:28 asciilifeform: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/04/25#l1398427185

01:01:28 assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX5U5j )

01:02:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't protobuf the google something or the other ?

01:02:24 mircea_popescu: serializer, what was it

01:02:34 asciilifeform: it's only in there on account of the qt crud

01:02:46 mircea_popescu: aha

01:02:48 asciilifeform: as far as i can tell

01:03:07 asciilifeform: 'WARNING: libprotobuf not found; bitcoin-qt frontend will not be built' etc.

01:03:25 asciilifeform: lose the crapolade, lose this error.

01:03:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103837 @ 0.00025542 = 26.522 BTC [-]

01:04:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00025835 = 5.4512 BTC [+]

01:05:41 joecool: will do

01:07:19 decimation: google protocol buffers is a library that allows the construction of arbitrary bit protocols

01:07:23 decimation: kinda like asn.1

01:07:43 decimation: I have no idea why bitcoin would use it

01:07:56 asciilifeform: seems like qt uses

01:08:01 mircea_popescu: entrepreneurs asked for it.

01:08:03 decimation: weird

01:11:37 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

01:11:39 felipelalli: I just knew that a Brazilian exchange was hacked last week but this information is not public yet. Anyone knows anything about it? (a friend told me but he has no much information also).

01:17:16 danielpbarron: !up Guest53878 you've got to identify with nickserv within 30 seconds of logging in or he'll change your nick to Guest; you can set your irc client to do this automatically

01:28:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37271 @ 0.00025835 = 9.629 BTC [+]

01:30:11 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125794 << that was also in the spec

01:30:11 assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 23:01:23; cazalla: mike_c, maybe you know or not but timestamp in WoT browser don't appear to update if you previously left that person a rating.. example, a rating i left a month ago is timestamped nov 2014

01:30:51 danielpbarron: might be useful to know "first rated on" in addition to "last updated"

01:31:04 danielpbarron: currently only the former is recorded

01:31:44 mats: seems unnecessary

01:35:30 danielpbarron: the ratings are supposed to be a jumping off point that leads to actually talking to someone, and in that regard too much info might be more of a hiderance than a help

01:36:48 decimation: asciilifeform: apparently MIT put a sussman lisp class from 1986 on their on-line course system http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/1a-overview-and-introduction-to-lisp/

01:36:49 assbot: 1A: Overview and Introduction to Lisp | Video Lectures | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs | Electrical Engineering and Computer Science | MIT OpenCourseWare ... ( http://bit.ly/1EW7SH2 )

01:42:24 danielpbarron: "This is frustrating; from a clean slate analysis of network health I think my conclusion would be to _decrease_ the limit below the current 300k/txn/day level." << I concur; 1MB is probably too large a block

01:49:23 danielpbarron: !up sunbeachbabe

01:50:45 sunbeachbabe: Hi

01:56:37 danielpbarron: hi; what brings you here?

02:18:08 mircea_popescu: felipelalli find out the details, write a qntra article.

02:19:45 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron heh, first mentioned... in #bitcoin-assets

02:21:36 asciilifeform: decimation: the videos are ancient. i watched them some time in, iirc, '06

02:22:07 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I'll try, thank you.

02:22:34 *: mircea_popescu bores of trying to find the "maybe blocks end up being too large" reference. was a coupla weeks ago iirc

02:22:59 decimation: asciilifeform: I did not realize that MIT has gone through its old archives for lectures

02:23:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55922 @ 0.00025673 = 14.3569 BTC [-] {2}

02:23:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-04-2015#1108323

02:23:07 assbot: Logged on 23-04-2015 16:16:55; mircea_popescu: we might well discover that actually 1mb is way too much, and all we can afford is less.

02:23:14 mircea_popescu: a ty

02:23:51 asciilifeform: decimation: iirc the lectures in the videos were not actually given at mit, but as a guest tour for, i think, hewlett-packard

02:24:00 asciilifeform: hence the 'old' faces

02:24:23 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXNy0JeBchk davout :D

02:24:24 assbot: Francais pour les pauvres (Franceza pentru săraci) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVpfvN )

02:26:23 danielpbarron: bores of trying to find << happens to me on a weekly basis

02:26:48 decimation: ;;ticker

02:26:49 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.13, Best ask: 245.26, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 245.12, 24 hour volume: 32896.12670801, 24 hour low: 236.2, 24 hour high: 249.22, 24 hour vwap: None

02:26:51 mircea_popescu: somehow i couldn't remember correctly any of the words.

02:27:23 danielpbarron: today i gave up trying to find the line in which you said something along the lines of garza's wife not being bad

02:28:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95000 @ 0.00025881 = 24.587 BTC [+] {2}

02:28:19 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-04-2015#1103345

02:28:19 assbot: Logged on 17-04-2015 09:16:07; mircea_popescu: notbad.

02:28:41 danielpbarron: lol

02:29:08 danielpbarron: not that meaning of "not bad" .. the other one

02:29:20 asciilifeform: that was it though

02:29:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform clearly uses lisp sorting on the logs

02:29:50 *: asciilifeform uses meat

02:33:19 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitcoin-isp-unveiled/#comment-22153 could be anyone though eh

02:33:20 assbot: Bitcoin ISP Unveiled | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVpW8x )

02:33:55 mircea_popescu: isp = internet service provider. so bite me.

02:34:43 asciilifeform: as to dog 'food' means 'dog food', to homo derpicus - 'isp' means his local telecom monopolist

02:34:56 asciilifeform: hence, likely the confusion

02:34:56 scoopbot_revived: UK Man Sentenced To Six Years Prison http://qntra.net/2015/05/uk-man-sentenced-to-six-years-prison/

02:35:47 asciilifeform: l0l cocaine from india ?

02:36:06 cazalla: well, can't find the police report so who really knows

02:36:33 mircea_popescu: on the lam for 3 years ?!

02:36:41 mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin really works huh.

02:37:35 asciilifeform: the account-freezing thing didn't work on him? why? name too short, triggered sql bug ?

02:37:57 asciilifeform: 'Fay was due to answer bail on January 25, 2013, but failed to do so. Just days before he was due to be charged, Fay emptied his bank account...'

02:46:25 mircea_popescu: guy seriously lived three years on the run out of 40k ?

02:46:27 decimation: yeah I want to drop my monopolist isp and use bitcoin for internet access

02:46:28 mircea_popescu: should get a prize.

02:48:42 diametric: mircea_popescu: you should start a registrar next.

02:49:04 mircea_popescu: nah, dns is dumb

02:49:10 decimation: $40k would go a long way in the us as long as you are willing to live like a bum

02:49:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62250 @ 0.00025408 = 15.8165 BTC [-] {2}

02:51:12 decimation: but living like a bum is not a good way to avoid the police

02:51:21 cazalla: prob pissed it away on drugs

02:52:13 mircea_popescu: i never had anyone in hiding without at least a few rifles + sidearms, at least a coupla people along for the ride, etc. 40k is good for a quarter, and that if the guy's very sensible all around.

02:53:08 decimation: the uk is even more of a police state

02:53:30 mircea_popescu: moreover, what, every time you need a car you steal a car ?

02:53:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 40k in modern usd ?

02:53:33 asciilifeform: or of that time

02:53:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was doing a mental fuzzy conversion to modern.

03:01:53 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/project/second-world-war << unrelated holiday widget

03:01:54 assbot: Tweede Wereldoorlog - Google Cultural Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVseV6 )

03:02:24 williamdunne: Da fuq is this shit

03:02:25 williamdunne: http://elbitcoin.org/no-intentes-aduenarte-de-la-cadena-de-bloques/

03:02:27 assbot: No intentes adueñarte de la cadena de bloques - Bitcoin en Español ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVsgfE )

03:02:27 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I just cried for you man. :'( I'm sorry: http://qntra.net/2015/03/largest-bitcoin-bet-resolved/

03:02:28 assbot: Largest Bitcoin Bet Resolved | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVsgfK )

03:03:14 mircea_popescu: felipelalli lol, shit happens

03:03:43 williamdunne: Someone has translated my blogpost to Spainish and reposted it

03:03:44 mircea_popescu: williamdunne you got translated ?

03:03:48 williamdunne: Yeah

03:03:50 williamdunne: Kinda cool

03:05:10 asciilifeform: gotta love how google breaks www

03:05:20 asciilifeform: i can find no way to link to the individual items in that exhibit

03:05:58 mircea_popescu: somebody's doing spanish qntra then ?

03:06:48 mircea_popescu: somebody ~from argentina~

03:08:40 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/romanian-nazis-pursuing-their-own-%E2%80%9Cromanization-of-the-population-and-territory%E2%80%9D-in-bessarabia-bukovina-and-so-called-transnistria-1941/FwHYcY7AUgoRdg?projectId=second-world-war << this one's new to me

03:08:42 assbot: Romanian Nazis pursuing their own “Romanization of the population and territory” in Bessarabia, Bukovina, and so-called Transnistria, 1941 - Google Cultural Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVsLX1 )

03:09:06 asciilifeform: hedzoff.com

03:11:13 mircea_popescu: what part is new ? they were very active

03:11:19 asciilifeform: the photo

03:11:24 asciilifeform: it is a very good one

03:11:41 asciilifeform: from artistic standpoint - of composition.

03:11:55 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: incredible! I guess it could enter to Guiness Book! :D

03:12:21 asciilifeform: https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/asset-viewer/n-e-muratov-sketch-of-the-poster-%E2%80%9Cremember-leningrad-scumbag-%E2%80%9D/JQHoySKCXwQxlQ?projectId=second-world-war << soviet death ray in use

03:12:23 assbot: N. E. Muratov. Sketch of the poster “Remember Leningrad, Scumbag.” - N. Muratov - Google Cultural Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVt0S5 )

03:12:38 mircea_popescu: nothing loads.

03:12:45 asciilifeform: retardation.

03:12:46 mircea_popescu: can not has a jpg like normal people ?

03:14:56 asciilifeform: rather than deobfuscate the half meg of js idiocy,

03:15:02 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/F0oa97M.png

03:15:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVtebH )

03:15:02 asciilifeform: and

03:15:28 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/2O8EMA6.jpg

03:15:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVtgjO )

03:15:36 asciilifeform: analog hole, motherfuckerz

03:16:47 mircea_popescu: win

03:17:37 mircea_popescu: dude that 1st pic.

03:17:41 mircea_popescu: incredible.

03:17:47 asciilifeform: toldya

03:18:21 asciilifeform: though i think it's a test-place before the swing proper

03:18:30 asciilifeform: rather than the hedzoff moneyshot

03:19:11 mircea_popescu: yes

03:19:24 asciilifeform: even so, 'notbad.jpg'

03:20:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88359 @ 0.00025884 = 22.8708 BTC [+]

03:22:30 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/ceEAW6y.png

03:22:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVtM1m )

03:22:34 asciilifeform: ^ colourhitler

03:22:52 asciilifeform: and very excited gurl

03:23:17 decimation: asciilifeform: have you watched the movie 'downfall'?

03:23:20 asciilifeform: aha

03:23:22 asciilifeform: who hasn't

03:23:52 decimation: heh, most folks only know it from the 'hitler finds out the truth about the defense of Berlin' scene

03:24:21 asciilifeform: das war ein Befehl!

03:24:25 asciilifeform: 111!!!11

03:27:22 decimation: heh exactly

03:29:02 decimation: my favorite quote "Ich sollte alle hochrangigen Offiziere liquidieren, genauso wie Stalin es getan hat! "

03:29:07 asciilifeform: aha.

03:29:29 *: asciilifeform knows of no reason to suppose that he actually said this, but it goes well with the rest of the scene

03:30:03 decimation: it seems likely the thought would have occured to him anyway

03:30:44 decimation: too bad tom cruise didn't successfully kill hitler on the 20 juli plot

03:30:51 asciilifeform: l0l

03:31:24 asciilifeform: and apparently he wasn't killed dead enough in 'inglorious bastards'

03:31:42 asciilifeform: weak voodoo, these.

03:31:51 decimation: my understanding is that most of the german units late in the war were actively trying to surrender to the us, so that they could fight russia together

03:31:58 asciilifeform: approximately.

03:32:23 asciilifeform: though the 'fight russia' part was more churchill's concept

03:32:50 mircea_popescu: or patton's.

03:32:57 asciilifeform: aha

03:33:18 decimation: certainly stalin and stierlitz managed convince fdr that he had 'won'

03:33:32 asciilifeform: popular enough concept that it formed the entire backplot of '17 moments of spring' (su mega-cult-classic film)

03:34:00 asciilifeform: the hero's entire intelligence mission was to determine which german is leading the 'separate peace talks'

03:34:09 asciilifeform: (and how far along)

03:35:27 asciilifeform: my favourite apocryphal scene is where a german general, seeing french flags, asked 'did we lose to -them- as well' ?

03:35:40 asciilifeform: (not from film, must point out, but from legend)

03:35:46 decimation: it seems the more likely explanation is yarvin's supposition - russia was playing 'hard to get' and fdr and his staff wanted russia 'even more'

03:36:25 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> or patton's. << I'm a Patton truther. He was assasinated to keep the war from running another decade,

03:36:39 asciilifeform: i find mr mold to be astonishingly clueless on this subject, and can't even recall off hand what his position was -

03:36:46 asciilifeform: i garbage-collected it from brain.

03:37:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as per https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ConspirThx.htm ?

03:37:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVuSdD )

03:37:20 decimation: I recall a post about the us ambassador trying to become stalin's boyfriend

03:37:24 asciilifeform: (2nd half)

03:38:02 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc his proposition to just bomb the suckers and ride tanks to china is well documented.

03:38:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not the part where he planned to resign. More in line with MP, if he lived he would have started the next war by July.

03:39:05 asciilifeform: why the pause ?

03:39:20 asciilifeform: at least churchill's thing made elementary sense

03:39:29 asciilifeform: (use the germans while there's still something to use)

03:40:00 decimation: yarvin was also pushing the 'stalin was gonna attack' theory

03:40:14 mircea_popescu: eh stalin wasn't going to attack.

03:40:22 mircea_popescu: the one point of danger was once stalin died.

03:40:30 asciilifeform: cribbed from rezun (pen name 'suvorov', in imitation of the general)

03:41:02 asciilifeform: (mega-revisionary history fella, craps out tome after tome re: 'stalin was planning to attack')

03:41:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because he was already paused. re-arming the Germans would have probably taken some time

03:41:25 asciilifeform: i tried to track down which of these mr mold may have read,

03:41:34 asciilifeform: and did not turn up any which had been translated (at the time) to engl.

03:41:39 mircea_popescu: had beria not been pro-us, but symetrically anti, the fulda gap'd have been taken in a week and well... russia from sea to sea.

03:41:53 asciilifeform: other than his - unrelated - works on su military intelligence (from which he was an escapee)

03:41:53 mircea_popescu: possibly the most impressive success of us diplomacy to date - the recruitment of beria.

03:42:24 BingoBoingo: In his life Patton hated 3 things most: Nazis, Commies, and Louisiana

03:42:28 asciilifeform: the public data suggests 'useful idiot' rather than asset

03:42:35 *: asciilifeform did not recruit him, cannot say

03:43:06 BingoBoingo: Well, maybe Montgomery is #2

03:50:37 asciilifeform: http://attachments-blog.tut.by/634/files/2011/02/x_9ea27e39.jpg

03:50:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jx8VOw )

03:50:38 scoopbot_revived: Corina Chiriac - Recital Mamaia'86 http://fraudsters.com/2015/corina-chiriac-recital-mamaia86/

03:51:06 asciilifeform: 'in my time, there wasn't this poppycock'

03:55:44 asciilifeform: http://echo.msk.ru/att/element-736852-misc-001.jpg << mega-d3m0t1v4tor. 'stability! it's what we've striven for all of our life, right?'

03:55:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JVwTGu )

04:03:04 mircea_popescu: course not.

04:06:22 asciilifeform: 'This is actually true, I passed by some twerp here trying to give out flyers of some local thing identifying as a communist party and my principal impulse was to ask him how is he not ashamed of himself.' << i lost count of how many 'radical left party hq' doors i walked past in b-a

04:06:41 asciilifeform: and how many drummers, plaquard-wavers, etc

04:06:53 asciilifeform: what do they eat?

04:07:17 asciilifeform: (i could almost bet they eat better than i!)

04:07:45 mircea_popescu: they probably do.

04:07:49 mircea_popescu: argentina issues bonds.

04:07:58 mircea_popescu: takes the proceeds and pays "salaries" for "public servants"

04:08:02 mircea_popescu: they go out and buy empanadas.

04:08:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...these people are already living a degree of magnitude above their means, hallucinating 100's of k's real estate values...' << why such certainty that it is hallucinated? is it possible that american escapees genuinely bid up the cost ?

04:08:31 mircea_popescu: nope.

04:09:02 mircea_popescu: for one, the gringo club is about 50 people.

04:09:13 asciilifeform: waiwut

04:09:22 asciilifeform: i thought there were 5mil of'em or the like

04:09:23 asciilifeform: in there

04:28:59 mircea_popescu: heh.

04:29:27 mircea_popescu: there's 40mn total. half of them are italians, the other half are lawyers.

04:29:50 mircea_popescu: they can't take money ouyt of the country, so they've decided, in their typical stupidity, that they will "invest" it in local real estate

04:30:12 mircea_popescu: because this is how fucktarded they are : they actually believe that you can conventionally enact investments. "everyone does it"

04:30:53 mircea_popescu: so they pay 2mn pesos for an apartment worth maybe 18k dollars, and they imagine that there's a difference between this and just gifting it to the government.

04:36:22 asciilifeform: they are merely imitating usa

04:36:27 asciilifeform: (why - i do not know)

05:20:50 danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/bitcoinmom/status/595809810286780416

05:21:30 danielpbarron: "@BryceWeiner Thank you so much for helping Nick invent a digital currency for our local high school. Hope they can make it work"

05:23:46 cazalla: cringe

05:27:26 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126095 <<< alf that is a photoshop, here is the original http://i.imgur.com/kXjdfYa.png

05:27:26 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 03:22:34; asciilifeform: ^ colourhitler

05:27:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KsZShQ )

05:35:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26828 @ 0.00025884 = 6.9442 BTC [+]

05:42:26 cazalla: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/05/how-someone-spent-pennies-to-troll-women-people-of-color-via-promoted-tweets/ lulzy shit

05:42:27 assbot: How someone spent “pennies” to troll women, people of color via promoted tweets | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1InlbUC )

05:45:05 danielpbarron: heh, i've been playing around with that

05:47:40 cazalla: pretty sweet that it still displays to be that have blocked you

05:49:28 mircea_popescu: cazalla there's actually a hitler impersonator in timisoara

05:51:52 danielpbarron: the "troll" in that article actually has me blocked

05:52:50 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, saying that white people should defend themselves / race is dying is a hate thing nao ?

05:53:40 decimation: it's been a hate thing for awhile, at least in the us

05:53:49 mircea_popescu: ridoinculous.

05:54:24 decimation: it goes to the 'love of the distant ideal other' that libertardation promotes

05:55:07 decimation: The corollary being 'hate your kin'

05:55:43 cazalla: danielpbarron, i still don't know if he is serious or trolling with the race shit

05:56:10 danielpbarron: same, his girl friend too

05:56:38 mircea_popescu: cazalla you ever seen that tv series about the people on the bikes ? guy with a suicide attempt gets his own show ?

05:56:39 decimation: who, weev?

06:00:09 decimation: weev's trolling is amusing, doubly so because twitter is desperate for income

06:00:52 cazalla: mircea_popescu, doesn't sound familiar

06:02:01 mircea_popescu: Black Mirror 102, ?15 Million Merits?

06:06:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, that's my idea of weev. neither trolling nor not trolling, merely trying to earn a living.

06:07:09 mircea_popescu: the reason the system is so afraid of cohesive ideology is simply this - it knows it can destructure anything else.

06:07:37 cazalla: looks interesting, worth a watch eh?

06:07:42 mircea_popescu: prolly.

06:08:01 mircea_popescu: i only watched that episode of it, but i have no idea how it could be worse than the stuff on tv.

06:08:16 mircea_popescu: at least that shitty "medieval era with magic" thing, what's it called.

06:08:22 mircea_popescu: games something

06:08:34 mircea_popescu: game of thrones.

06:08:50 decimation: 'the system' has achieved certain outcomes w.r.t. distribution of power, and does not care for those who use their levers to take power

06:09:12 cazalla: i don't mind game of thrones heh

06:09:40 mircea_popescu: http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2015/01/24/black-mirror-season-102-15-million-merits << a pretty decent discussion of it.

06:09:42 assbot: Black Mirror 102, “15 Million Merits” | Ordinary Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1InmCCw )

06:09:46 cazalla: yeah on that page atm

06:09:52 mircea_popescu: "The resilience of this world (as with our own) is that the truth cannot disable it. Even when TV tells you TV is bad for you, you?ll nod and say ?that?s so right? and queue up the next episode. This irony is not lost on the producers. ?15 Million Merits? is a show about a show about how destructive shows are. We recognize this as truth and congratulate ourselves for noticing. But just like the hapless redh

06:09:52 mircea_popescu: ead trying on virtual helmets on-screen, our insight cannot free us."

06:10:12 mircea_popescu: this'd be the problem. power derived from any sort of relationship with truth is anathema. because yes, truth alone frees no one.

06:10:23 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, power based on it is unsurmountable, for this construct.

06:10:32 decimation: it's gory as hell. what amuses me is that conventional heterosexual intercourse is 'too hot' for HBO, but it's perfectly fine to show murdering

06:10:43 mircea_popescu: kinda why bitcoin is so important. kinda why the gavincoin disarray was so "nobody could have predicted" for the usg side.

06:11:09 mircea_popescu: decimation i thought hbo had pay per view ?

06:11:30 decimation: yeah, but I think that's only for high dollar boxing

06:12:06 decimation: one of my friends made a good point about that 'batman killer' who shot up the theater in denver

06:12:31 decimation: shouldn't the audience have appreciated it? they were watching a simulation of exactly what he acted out

06:13:06 mircea_popescu: power for fetish of power. that's hte point. they do not appreciate it specifically because it is exactly CONTRARY to what they wanted.

06:13:20 mircea_popescu: imagine if the naked woman being spied upon opened the door and invited the voyeur in.

06:13:30 mircea_popescu: "but that's what he was fantasizing about!" "yes. exactly."

06:13:47 decimation: "oh no, I'm not that kind of person to take advantage of a woman"

06:13:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00025884 = 5.3709 BTC [+]

06:13:54 mircea_popescu: not even, just run screaming.

06:16:41 mircea_popescu: anyway, that site's a sort of b-a for libertards, more or less.

06:17:08 decimation: the ordinary gentlemen blog?

06:17:31 mircea_popescu: ys

06:18:16 decimation: yeah it's kinda on the outer ring of 'reactionary' sites as I recall

06:19:12 mircea_popescu: which reactionary ?

06:20:16 decimation: maybe a better description would be 'trying to bring back old republicans'

06:21:37 mircea_popescu: eh, not what i see. i see a bunch of poofters from the various rags trying to act all top shelf & culturful, in their straw hats and bedsheets.

06:21:53 mircea_popescu: this is the left.

06:23:47 decimation: yeah, imma have to read it some more. anyway, I'm going to retire, good evening.

06:27:39 mircea_popescu: http://ordinary-gentlemen.com/blog/2009/11/02/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties < can start there.

06:27:41 assbot: We Are Experiencing Institutional Difficulties | Ordinary Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1InnA1N )

06:31:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36450 @ 0.00025884 = 9.4347 BTC [+]

06:32:09 gabriel_laddel: <decimation> "oh no, I'm not that kind of person to take advantage of a woman" << lolol

06:32:51 mircea_popescu: an attitude that'll make for some pretty bored and bitter women.

06:34:16 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/6d2ae96620d41048abe186a14375834c/tumblr_n11n7sipMv1r3iafjo3_500.gif

06:34:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1InnSFY )

06:36:02 gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125284 << I wish you luck, but ftw I'm not the sort of person to discuss this class of phenomenon. Even with all the disclaimers and knowing that Aaron isn't a fuckwit I still think of his post as "new age BS". I don't exercise, smoke, drink and eat whatever I want.

06:36:02 assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 16:55:03; pete_dushenski: i'm currently giving 'foundation training' a go. basically simplified yoga to specifically counter the effects of sitting at a computer all day (and all night).

06:37:38 gabriel_laddel: /s/ftw/ftr

06:38:29 mircea_popescu: you ever read hippocratus ?

06:38:42 gabriel_laddel: Nope.

06:39:04 mircea_popescu: curious if it'd also seem new age-y.

06:48:43 cazalla: is the bitcoin blocksize limit 1,000,000 or 1,048,576 bytes?

06:49:09 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1024**2

06:49:10 gribble: 1048576

06:50:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14997 @ 0.00025884 = 3.8818 BTC [+]

06:50:51 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

06:50:58 indiancandy1: heey crew

06:51:14 indiancandy1: mp how r u

06:51:27 mircea_popescu: pretty good.

06:51:41 indiancandy1: thats gd 2 hear

06:51:45 indiancandy1: wat u doing

06:51:55 mircea_popescu: reading reports.

06:52:05 mircea_popescu: i live the life of caesar.

07:01:11 indiancandy1: do you

07:01:34 indiancandy1: are you having orgies with male and female

07:01:58 mircea_popescu: that's not caesar, that's nero.

07:06:11 scoopbot_revived: Why corruption will never be eliminated, translated. http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/09/why-corruption-will-never-be-eliminated-translated/

07:07:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25834 @ 0.00025413 = 6.5652 BTC [-]

07:14:33 indiancandy1: i swear ceaser had orgies

07:15:56 mircea_popescu: mnope.

07:16:11 indiancandy1: mmmm

07:16:13 mircea_popescu: gjc was a total tightass.

07:16:22 indiancandy1: ohh

07:16:24 indiancandy1: i see

07:16:34 indiancandy1: abit like u

07:16:35 indiancandy1: LOL

07:16:37 indiancandy1: joke

07:16:38 indiancandy1: :P

07:17:12 mircea_popescu: lol

07:17:16 mircea_popescu: so what are you up to ?

07:18:13 indiancandy1: nothing i was in hospital

07:18:16 indiancandy1: i had malaria

07:18:22 indiancandy1: just recovered

07:18:32 indiancandy1: taking my last dose of chloroquin today

07:19:59 mircea_popescu: in england or in india this ?

07:20:32 cazalla: indiancandy1, was it full blown?

07:20:57 mircea_popescu: i don't think she was ever fully blown.

07:23:38 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

07:24:04 indiancandy1: i got it in india

07:24:12 indiancandy1: but i didnt get rid of it

07:24:15 indiancandy1: and it came back

07:24:18 indiancandy1: im in england

07:24:28 indiancandy1: i was in hospital on a drip crying :((

07:24:45 indiancandy1: which inspired me to stop drinking alcohol

07:26:22 mircea_popescu: interesting.

07:26:30 mircea_popescu: most men start drinking after something like that.

07:27:24 indiancandy1: well i used to be acoholic

07:27:31 indiancandy1: and it was fuckin my life up

07:27:34 indiancandy1: and health

07:27:40 indiancandy1: i was getting into fights

07:27:52 mircea_popescu: with chicks or with cops ?

07:28:20 cazalla: female cops?

07:28:44 indiancandy1: people

07:28:46 indiancandy1: 3weeks ago

07:28:49 indiancandy1: i had a fight

07:28:54 indiancandy1: i dont even know who with

07:28:57 indiancandy1: cant remember shit

07:29:20 indiancandy1: so like yea man im done with that lifestyle sex drugs n rocknroll

07:30:50 mircea_popescu: so what you gonna do now ? take the implants out and join the crochet club ?

07:31:57 indiancandy1: what implats

07:32:03 indiancandy1: my boobs are real boo

07:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00025758 = 4.2629 BTC [+]

07:32:42 mircea_popescu: ah ?

07:41:34 indiancandy1: yes

07:41:42 indiancandy1: all natural

07:43:26 *: mircea_popescu tries to remember

07:45:09 indiancandy1: lol

07:45:14 indiancandy1: they are

07:45:33 indiancandy1: im thinking of buying some btc

07:46:37 mircea_popescu: funny what going dry does to people.

07:46:43 mircea_popescu: you hear that cazalla ?

07:47:05 indiancandy1: LOL

07:47:16 cazalla: sounds like a good move

07:47:21 indiancandy1: well i used 2 spend atleast 1000 pounds a month

07:47:25 indiancandy1: on nightlife

07:47:41 indiancandy1: now i can buy some btc

07:48:07 cazalla: i thought girls drink free?

07:48:21 mircea_popescu: dude... you might be the first aspiring starlet / camgirl with ~natural~ tits that actually paid.

07:48:25 mircea_popescu: wtf's wrong with you.

07:48:31 indiancandy1: lol

07:48:50 indiancandy1: i dont like to entertain people for no reason

07:48:58 indiancandy1: i get easily irritated

07:49:09 indiancandy1: just for a drink no thanks il buy my own

07:49:33 mircea_popescu: o.O

07:50:15 indiancandy1: lol

07:50:16 mircea_popescu: well... if drinks are still 5-ish quid a pop, you did end up buying a bunch.

07:50:28 indiancandy1: i used to drink alot and no

07:50:34 indiancandy1: in london where i used to gout

07:50:40 indiancandy1: £8 t £15

07:50:43 indiancandy1: varies

07:51:04 indiancandy1: but yea a hell of a lot of alcohol consumed

07:52:33 mircea_popescu: in other news : agrippina the younger married (ahenobarbus) at the age of 13.

07:52:43 mircea_popescu: he was 45.

07:53:32 indiancandy1: wat

07:55:26 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

07:58:14 indiancandy1: i got fevern:(

07:58:17 indiancandy1: fever

07:59:09 mircea_popescu: and the only prescription is more cowbell!

07:59:32 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idO3VjT8sjk

07:59:33 assbot: I got a fever, and the only prescription, is more cowbell! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqSQeB )

08:03:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00025945 = 10.2483 BTC [+] {2}

08:08:16 indiancandy1: is that jolies dad

08:08:33 indiancandy1: maybe not

08:08:55 mircea_popescu: it's christopher walken

08:10:07 indiancandy1: yh i realised after

08:10:19 cazalla: indiancandy1, that's jon voight

08:10:36 cazalla: the actor, not the dentist in case you google it

08:11:08 mircea_popescu: what voigt!

08:12:10 indiancandy1: yesss

08:12:25 indiancandy1: u need to get snapchat

08:15:01 mircea_popescu: why ?

08:16:28 indiancandy1: funnnn

08:17:04 mircea_popescu: o hey, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2014#744043 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2014#743686 i believe you, those look natural enough.

08:17:04 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2014 13:24:34; indiancandy1: http://imgur.com/8u8eZ1e

08:17:04 assbot: Logged on 04-07-2014 12:20:48; indiancandy1: http://imgur.com/JlzKjcw

08:22:09 indiancandy1: ?????????????

08:22:27 mircea_popescu: that's you innit ?

08:22:32 indiancandy1: yh blud

08:23:25 indiancandy1: i got fever i cant take paracetamol

08:23:48 indiancandy1: coz i have 2 wait 2hours after i take chlorooquine

08:23:50 indiancandy1: (

08:23:52 indiancandy1: :(

08:38:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00025981 = 1.9226 BTC [+]

09:19:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00025981 = 5.0533 BTC [+]

09:20:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00025758 = 6.4009 BTC [-]

09:27:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00025481 = 8.7527 BTC [-] {2}

09:42:36 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1125990 <<< lol, where's that from?

09:42:36 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 01:42:24; danielpbarron: "This is frustrating; from a clean slate analysis of network health I think my conclusion would be to _decrease_ the limit below the current 300k/txn/day level." << I concur; 1MB is probably too large a block

09:43:40 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126006 <<< lol wtf

09:43:40 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 02:24:23; mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXNy0JeBchk davout :D

09:48:13 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126121 <<< priceless

09:48:13 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 03:35:27; asciilifeform: my favourite apocryphal scene is where a german general, seeing french flags, asked 'did we lose to -them- as well' ?

09:48:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00025411 = 5.3744 BTC [-] {2}

09:54:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00025859 = 8.5593 BTC [+] {3}

10:03:39 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126255 <<< rkn it's 1,000,000

10:03:39 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 06:48:43; cazalla: is the bitcoin blocksize limit 1,000,000 or 1,048,576 bytes?

10:06:52 davout: cazalla: the commit -> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a30b56ebe76ffff9f9cc8a6667186179413c6349

10:06:53 assbot: fix openssl linkage problems, · bitcoin/bitcoin@a30b56e · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7Gdur )

10:07:07 davout: funnily enough, the commit message doesn't even mention it

10:34:57 davout: ;;later tell pete_dushenski in your corruption article s/lisense/license/

10:34:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:35:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18724 @ 0.00025744 = 4.8203 BTC [-] {2}

10:36:52 fluffypony: davout: am I seeing you on the 21st? https://forum.getmonero.org/14/events/277/monero-meetup-paris-france-may-21th-2015

10:36:53 assbot: Monero | Events » Monero Meetup: Paris, France - May 21th, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN9rrq )

10:38:50 davout: fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/PqjYz42.png

10:38:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zN9y6B )

10:39:02 fluffypony: sweet

10:39:55 fluffypony: now all we need is pankkake and Apocalyptic and it's a party

10:40:28 davout: fluffypony: pankkake is MIA and AFAIK Apocalyptic doesn't reside in France

10:41:02 fluffypony: I know, pankkake has been gone from our lives for nearly a year

10:41:30 fluffypony: may he rest in pieces

10:41:35 davout: lol

10:59:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17955 @ 0.00026022 = 4.6723 BTC [+]

11:35:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29071 @ 0.00025956 = 7.5457 BTC [-] {2}

11:44:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00025407 = 9.4768 BTC [-]

11:47:08 cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35c4pg/introducing_the_bitcoin_isp_invitation_only/ lol

11:47:09 assbot: Introducing the Bitcoin ISP: invitation only, unknown hardware, no owned IP space, owner chooses the Linux distro, and support is only available on IRC by a lazy neckbeard. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8u30j )

12:28:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00026031 = 2.1215 BTC [+]

12:46:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23636 @ 0.0002611 = 6.1714 BTC [+] {2}

12:47:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14106 @ 0.00026173 = 3.692 BTC [+]

12:59:48 gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-05-2015#1125516 << context: funkenstein_ was commenting a while back that jews are overrepresented in banking and then released a blog post (http://frass.woodcoin.org/intelligence-is-caused-by-big-feet-obesity-by-genetics/) that starts with "You may have some idea in your mind that things like cancer, intelligence, and obesity are in some way caused by genetics. By the time y

12:59:48 assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 18:38:08; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125148 << it's valid, but misleading. most of dna is "junk", or otherwise put "not directly obvious it actually does anything"

12:59:49 gabriel_laddel: ou are done reading this post, I hope you will no longer labour under this gross misconception."

13:04:05 gabriel_laddel: ;; gettrust funkenstein_

13:04:06 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user funkenstein_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=gabriel_laddel&dest=funkenstein_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=funkenstein_ | Rated since: never

13:06:41 gabriel_laddel: ;; rate funkenstein_ -1 author of a silly blogpost that reviews none of the assorted literature on the topic of choice, dances around the idea that perhaps experimental design is important and finally fails to conclude anything of significance.

13:06:43 gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

13:08:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31161 @ 0.00026177 = 8.157 BTC [+] {2}

14:23:08 decimation: my impression of the uk is that they are the world's biggest group of drunks

14:24:59 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-05-2015#1125231 < also keep in mind, grapes don't grow very well in cold northern europe (aside from river valleys)

14:24:59 assbot: Logged on 08-05-2015 16:15:33; mircea_popescu: anyway, the great love of beer in europe almost exactly maps to the late imperial recruiting grounds in europe.

14:25:49 decimation: in the same way, the early us was cursed with the root louse that ate wine roots - they became a 'beer culture' by default

14:26:10 decimation: heh 'wine roots' = 'grape roots'

14:26:44 decimation: except they found they could graft european grapes on top of american rootstock - this is how nearly all wine grapes are grown today

14:56:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5736 @ 0.00025407 = 1.4573 BTC [-]

15:11:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44950 @ 0.00025994 = 11.6843 BTC [+] {3}

15:16:04 pete_dushenski: davout: got it, fixed it, cheers !

15:17:05 pete_dushenski: mike_c very kind of you to suggest me. lemme take a look at ol' usgavin's latest hatchet job and see if there's a qntra article lying in wait.

15:30:51 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126380 << gmaxwell's email on the power ranger mailing list -> https://archive.is/zsz7l#selection-443.2600-443.2759

15:30:51 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 09:42:36; davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1125990 <<< lol, where's that from?

15:30:52 assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1EqV5ZB )

15:43:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8547 @ 0.00026198 = 2.2391 BTC [+]

15:49:16 funkenstein_: gabriel_laddel, I said no such thing. This is a public log.

16:15:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46850 @ 0.00025407 = 11.9032 BTC [-]

16:23:44 punkman: http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/27366/45/

16:23:46 assbot: MINA Breaking News - Situation calm after Kosovo terror group in Kumanovo started Firefight with Police ... ( http://bit.ly/1Er2LLm )

16:37:04 mircea_popescu: how's teh coolaid this mornin'

16:38:20 davout: feels like a coolaid bukkake these days tbh

16:38:31 mircea_popescu: lol

16:38:37 mircea_popescu: warmaid

16:39:45 mircea_popescu: davout re the youtube : this very weird absurdist romanian comedian. i'm a fan. regularly comes up with indescribably weird shit, rarely sahre-able cause rarely in an actually spoken language.

16:41:21 mircea_popescu: +static const unsigned int MAX_BLOCK_SIZE = 1000000; heh right you are.

16:42:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126409 << have these people actually ~even seen~ my beard ? i wish to know who the fuck has a more respectable beard than me. hegel ?

16:42:45 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 11:47:08; cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35c4pg/introducing_the_bitcoin_isp_invitation_only/ lol

16:42:55 mircea_popescu: marx is not even in the same fucking ballpark.

16:43:40 davout: i have to concur here, you could fit food for a small african village in mircea's beard

16:44:21 mircea_popescu: well... not so much small as thin, but yeah.

16:45:32 mircea_popescu: i have had domestic accidents where barefoot slave stepped on beardhair on floor, hurt her foot, thing had to be cut out with wire cutters.

16:46:07 davout: kek

16:47:07 mircea_popescu: "Technically a hosting company is an ISP They provide Internet Serivces" / "Don't be pedantic. ISP has a meaning that goes beyond its words."

16:47:09 mircea_popescu: reddit delivers.

16:47:31 mircea_popescu: "we are so right because we agree with each other on things! what things ? don't be pedantic. we're right in a way that goes beyond words!"

16:47:31 scoopbot_revived: The horror that is Ubuntu http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-horror-that-is-ubuntu/

16:47:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126024

16:47:35 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 02:34:43; asciilifeform: as to dog 'food' means 'dog food', to homo derpicus - 'isp' means his local telecom monopolist

16:47:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup. quite exactly.

16:49:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00025349 = 11.0522 BTC [-] {3}

16:49:22 mircea_popescu: "well technically an ISP is a service provided to the internet, like a phone service provider is one that provides phone service. Not services 'on' the internet, but to/from it, just a someone with a phone number is not a 'phone service provider', he is just some dude with a phone. Internet service provider provides internet services, hosting service provides hosting services. They are different."

16:49:25 mircea_popescu: technically.

16:50:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, major butthurt level for some incomprehensible reason.

16:52:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126419 << does this have anything to do with jews in banking or is that chekov's gun gonna just hang ?

16:52:05 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 13:06:41; gabriel_laddel: ;; rate funkenstein_ -1 author of a silly blogpost that reviews none of the assorted literature on the topic of choice, dances around the idea that perhaps experimental design is important and finally fails to conclude anything of significance.

16:54:25 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sheeeit... that selection thing is the tits. how the hell does it work ?

16:55:01 mircea_popescu: omfg im in love

16:56:43 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "We wan't to kill them, not be them." << uh wan't ?

16:56:50 mircea_popescu: lol

16:56:52 mircea_popescu: oops

16:57:37 pete_dushenski: lol i suck at romanian, you suck at english ?

16:57:48 danielpbarron: you just select stuff and it updates the url

16:58:44 mircea_popescu: this shit's beautiful

17:22:44 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/2NH38QP.txt

17:22:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8BWaa )

17:22:46 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:23:03 pete_dushenski: ^re: usgavin's retreat.

17:24:51 pete_dushenski: "The canonical example is that intelligence is correlated with foot size. It's a fact." << i'm currently a size 11.5, was once 12.5... am i stupider now than i was then ?

17:25:05 pete_dushenski: i'd like to think not.

17:25:48 pete_dushenski: foot shrinkage was an unexpected consequence of dropping 40lbs+

17:26:13 pete_dushenski: this, about 4 years ago now.

17:26:34 *: asciilifeform lulz at argentines marching in ru victory day parade

17:26:44 asciilifeform: b3st phr13ndz 4ever

17:26:52 pete_dushenski: "anyone but the british !"

17:27:05 pete_dushenski: my enemy's enemy is...

17:27:11 asciilifeform: wonder if the germans will ask 'did we lose to -them- also'

17:27:38 pete_dushenski: nah, germans have a memory

17:27:55 pete_dushenski: argentines are too new to have sufficient perspective and context

17:28:36 pete_dushenski: much like canadians in that respect

17:29:05 pete_dushenski: "let's vote in socialists because we've never had them before and we've always wanted them !"

17:30:34 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla and yours ! http://dpaste.com/1N6D6PB.txt

17:30:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTyjPu )

17:30:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:30:36 scoopbot_revived: Gavin Backs Off Blocksize: Scapegoats Memory, UTXO Set http://qntra.net/2015/05/gavin-backs-off-blocksize-scapegoats-memory-utxo-set/

17:30:45 pete_dushenski: heh. nm cazalla !

17:31:43 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: thx bb ! and wd on the title ;)

17:31:54 BingoBoingo: You're welcome

17:32:46 danielpbarron: it's possible to encrypt a message to multiple keys at once, or is this not a good practice?

17:33:12 pete_dushenski: and... *instant* trackback from qntra to contravex. good fucking god wordpress is inconsistent.

17:33:34 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i believe this is only in newer versions of gpg ?

17:34:11 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's possible. not good practice in the sense that now more people can see it.

17:34:18 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nah

17:34:29 pete_dushenski: ah my mistake then.

17:35:06 pete_dushenski: chalk one up under 'best practise' and ignore the fact that i didn't think it could be done on 1.4.x :)

17:37:08 pete_dushenski: i loooove it when a derpy commenter drops a payload like this on my lap : http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/11/the-economics-of-sinking-20-mb-gavincoin-blocks/#comment-17319

17:37:09 assbot: The economics of sinking 20 MB Gavincoin blocks. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1KTyKJP )

17:37:37 pete_dushenski: " If you want to be a global payment network you should act like one. Mike Hearn makes it clear" etc.

17:37:47 pete_dushenski: pure comedy gold.

17:38:50 mircea_popescu: such derpage. the situation here isn't that fiat is in control, defines the words, and bitcoin aims to please.

17:39:01 mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit what fiat thinks "a payment network" is like.

17:39:08 pete_dushenski: clearly.

17:39:13 mircea_popescu: bitcoin IS the payment network. get with the program, get crushed, whatevs.

17:39:28 danielpbarron: great piece pete_dushenski. I loled a few times

17:39:44 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: haha thanks :D

17:40:04 pete_dushenski: and thank mike_c for putting me up to it !

17:42:29 pete_dushenski: "Theorem 5: Jewish genetics cause superior intellect" << clearly, it's the converse that's true, funkenstein_ ;)

17:44:45 pete_dushenski: "News flash: Culture is not genetic!" << guess it depends on what's meant by "culture". if you mean whether you eat for chopsticks or your hands, then sure, but if you mean predispositions for music, languages, fine arts, etc, it's less clear.

17:45:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20327 @ 0.00025952 = 5.2753 BTC [+]

17:45:22 pete_dushenski: then again, who the fuck really understands genetics ? certainly not 'the scientists'

17:46:28 pete_dushenski: "Anyway, correlation is not causation." << granted, funkenstein_, but some of these examples are a bit out to lunch.

17:53:46 pete_dushenski: off to the farmer's market. bbiab.

18:07:55 davout: pete_dushenski: s/undettered/undeterred/

18:08:33 davout: what am i? the fucking ms office paperclip?

18:08:39 davout: :D

18:08:48 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-horror-that-is-ubuntu/#selection-135.16-135.56 << check this shit out!

18:08:49 assbot: The horror that is Ubuntu on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dU5RlS )

18:09:58 asciilifeform: ^ does nothing here

18:10:18 mircea_popescu: gotta js

18:11:20 hanbot: davout: It looks like you're having an existential crisis. Would you like some help?

18:11:50 mircea_popescu: if you would like some help, press H now.

18:11:59 *: asciilifeform presses 'any' key

18:12:10 *: davout clicks on the "Solve computer problems" button

18:12:17 mircea_popescu: 24

18:12:25 asciilifeform: affectionately remembered as 'аникей'

18:13:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13227 @ 0.00025826 = 3.416 BTC [-]

18:13:52 davout: with every day that passes the "get actual computer, fuck with gentoo" item climbs higher and higher on my todo list

18:16:51 davout: so, in my quest to getting the pogoplug working i'm at the step where i'm trying to get it to create an ext2 FS on the attached SATA drive

18:17:39 davout: after fdisk'ing a new partition on it, and toggling the MKFS option in the buildroot config I can now "# busybox mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda1"

18:18:09 davout: however I'm stuck getting "mkfs.ext2: lseek: Value too large for defined data type" which I've no idea how to solve :/

18:18:43 mircea_popescu: ext4 ? how large is your dfrive

18:20:52 davout: it's 120g

18:21:30 asciilifeform: davout: known (to me) bug, presently i have no idea what caused

18:21:40 asciilifeform: !s ext2 lseek

18:21:41 assbot: 0 results for 'ext2 lseek' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ext2+lseek

18:21:44 asciilifeform: hm

18:22:33 davout: i added "CONFIG_MKFS_EXT2=y" in busybox.config

18:22:34 davout: ah

18:23:02 davout: i also just added "CONFIG_FDISK_SUPPORT_LARGE_DISKS=y", maybe if i remove and re-add the partition it'll work

18:23:15 davout: because the partition was initially made without this option

18:25:30 davout: hrm, still does not work

18:29:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10344 @ 0.00025924 = 2.6816 BTC [+] {2}

18:30:21 davout: maybe #busybox will have some input

18:30:52 davout: kinda problematic if we can't initialize a blank drive from the pogo itself

18:35:48 davout: creating a smaller partition does not work either

18:47:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00026026 = 4.6587 BTC [+]

18:48:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00026101 = 4.8809 BTC [+]

18:48:41 davout: ok, trying with CONFIG_LFS flipped on

18:51:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00026105 = 4.4509 BTC [+] {2}

19:02:52 scoopbot_revived: That spiffy selection thing. http://fraudsters.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/

19:25:07 whaack: Is there a reason you guys spell opinion oppinion in http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt ?

19:25:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bGpYSC )

19:26:49 whaack: Is there a subtlety that the correct spelling of a word is, well, an oppinion and not a fact?

19:26:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12435 @ 0.00026115 = 3.2474 BTC [+]

19:27:38 whaack: Or did I read too deep into that?

19:28:07 danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFqd81EMwj8

19:28:08 assbot: Homer's BBBQ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bGqjom )

19:28:31 BingoBoingo: whaack: Distinct hazard of reading here. Sometime a person reads too deep, othertimes too shallow.

19:29:13 whaack: Well I say my analysis is good regardless of the intentions of the author

19:30:36 mircea_popescu: whaack nah i just can't spell

19:31:43 asciilifeform: 'Which means that specific parts will have to be highlighted later on, to be re-digested like those kernels of corn that you sometimes have to pick out of the toilet and eat all over again' << win

19:31:52 mircea_popescu: :D

19:32:11 asciilifeform: as cazalla no doubt knows well, leporidae actually do this

19:32:19 asciilifeform: (obligate coprophagiacs!)

19:32:27 mircea_popescu: gotta feed the /r/buttheads

19:36:43 asciilifeform: woah, product is almost 30M now

19:37:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00026161 = 4.382 BTC [+] {2}

19:38:51 asciilifeform: davout: kinda problematic if we can't initialize a blank drive from the pogo itself << yes, this will -have- to be fixed. but either a) later or b) someone not me

19:38:58 mircea_popescu: apparently someone's been ddosing fraudsters. herp.

19:39:17 asciilifeform: wai wat, there are times when -no one- is ddosing fraudsters ?

19:39:44 mircea_popescu: yes actually.

19:39:51 *: asciilifeform floored

19:40:31 mircea_popescu: it's really a fringe phenomenon.

19:41:29 asciilifeform: how's that

19:42:09 mircea_popescu: in the sense that it's not common.

19:42:23 mircea_popescu: attempts to bruteforce ssh credentials, for instance, are ubiquitous.

19:42:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: those are largely automatic - in the sense that every box that successfully breaks open gets to participate in the next round

19:43:16 mircea_popescu: yup.

19:43:29 asciilifeform: some of these are, properly speaking, 'worms' in the sense of needing no living operator at all

19:43:32 mircea_popescu: at any rate, today i have ~70k lines of 185.11.147.17 - - [09/May/2015:11:54:35 -0400] "POST /xmlrpc.php HTTP/1.0" 200 54 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; http://www.google.com/bot.html)"

19:43:32 assbot: Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1bGsqc0 )

19:43:36 asciilifeform: doomed to derp for all eternity

19:43:36 mircea_popescu: which is kindalulzy.

19:44:16 asciilifeform: if tired of this, 'fail2ban' or the like.

19:44:47 mircea_popescu: yeah, but i prefer to watch.

19:45:28 *: asciilifeform just came back from 2h of watching cats hunt birds from hammock. so grasps this.

19:45:59 mircea_popescu: did they catch anything ?

19:46:07 asciilifeform: as a matter of fact, they did.

19:46:17 mircea_popescu: yeah. they do more often than people realise.

19:47:37 asciilifeform: the interesting thing re: ssh bruteforcers is the implication

19:47:51 asciilifeform: i.e. that there is ample supply of morons with guessable pw

19:48:41 mircea_popescu: or that not many are needed.

19:49:05 mircea_popescu: however... look at the count of DSA 1kb keys IN THE STRONG SET

19:49:15 asciilifeform: funnily enough, i haven't seen a single ssh bruteforcebot on my regular boxes since moving ssh to nonstandard ports. did not expect this to have any effect, but it did. vanished. evidently the 'ancient art' of port scan has been forgotten? go figure.

19:49:54 mircea_popescu: not worth the hassle.

19:50:03 *: asciilifeform reads logs regularly and does not enjoy seeing them filled with megs of derp

19:50:05 mircea_popescu: if you know enough to move it, no longer interesting target.

19:50:27 asciilifeform: i sorta imagined that lamers might move the port instead of setting up keyed auth or whatnot

19:50:40 asciilifeform: and that it would make for a -more- enticing target

19:51:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12212 @ 0.00026115 = 3.1892 BTC [-]

19:51:35 mircea_popescu: nah. i imagine the ideal box from this perspective is something that hasn't been touched since 1999

19:51:49 mircea_popescu: because odds are it will continue to exist through 2020, and just as untouched

19:52:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00026198 = 9.1693 BTC [+]

19:52:30 asciilifeform: '99 might even be home to the original ssh meda-deathbug

19:52:33 asciilifeform: *mega-

19:54:49 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/force-026-022.pdf << mega-l0l, more carl force crud

19:56:08 asciilifeform: ^ lays out (claimed) personal finances

19:57:07 mircea_popescu: anything good ?

19:59:10 mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Gavin-Andresen-Satoshi-costume.jpg << camho in that pic always good for a chuckle.

19:59:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bGub99 )

19:59:19 mircea_popescu: the camera led -> open mouth reflex.

20:00:11 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "much superior " is not english yo. muchly. vastly. something.

20:00:52 mircea_popescu: also, it would be nice if you sourced the "More transactions means more memory for the UTXO database" objection correctly.

20:02:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2015#1092279

20:02:00 assbot: Logged on 08-04-2015 20:33:20; mircea_popescu: note that this is one of the majorest issues lurking in the "larger blocks"

20:02:25 mircea_popescu: it was discussed on #bitcoin-assets long before the various bottom feeders posing as "technical" something or the other caught wind of it.

20:03:20 mircea_popescu: and yo, various derps : next time you read something on the log, don't just run off and repackage it as your own thing, like some sort of idiot third worlder. link it to its source, that's how the giants were made upon whose shoulders your midget parents made you scum.

20:05:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00026198 = 1.9256 BTC [+]

20:06:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who is the chick in the photo ?

20:07:23 asciilifeform: and why is gavin wearing camera lens caps for glasses

20:07:42 trinque: because that's what a chief scientist looks like

20:07:48 trinque: plays well with the kids

20:07:53 asciilifeform: with... pipe clamp ?

20:08:12 trinque: look at the happy skank to his immediate left

20:08:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform random conference goer.

20:08:50 asciilifeform: woah, conferences with gurlz

20:08:59 *: asciilifeform heard of those

20:09:34 mircea_popescu: it's usually for cars, cosmetics, dumb shit like that.

20:10:09 asciilifeform: on what planet are gurlz into cars ?

20:10:29 mircea_popescu: they get paid to be there.

20:10:32 asciilifeform: aha those.

20:10:36 mircea_popescu: same with porn conferences.

20:12:07 mircea_popescu: http://www.buzzfeed.com/gabrielsanchez/photos-from-the-avn-adult-expo << kinda one of the top perks employers give to the "online journalist" crowd.

20:12:10 assbot: 49 Insane Photos From The World's Largest Porn Convention ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fch7pB )

20:15:31 asciilifeform: l0l!

20:16:46 trinque: some bum's shouting about revolution on the corner

20:16:51 trinque: ... is this how it begins?

20:17:05 ben_vulpes: nah, the weather's too nice

20:17:17 trinque: heh

20:22:41 mircea_popescu: dude the world is awash in fat, lazy, drab female "stand-up comedians" with delusions of political ideas.

20:22:46 mircea_popescu: when the shit did this happen.

20:25:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8143 @ 0.00026198 = 2.1333 BTC [+]

20:27:02 ben_vulpes: <davout> [18:12] with every day that passes the "get actual computer, fuck with gentoo" item climbs higher and higher on my todo list << davout if you can figure out what an "actual computer" is, let me know

20:34:53 trinque: I'm workin on my gentoo bootstrap script today

20:49:44 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126522 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126621 << if only i had editing rights on qntra, i'd s/undettered/undeterred/ and add "oh-so" instead of "much" in front of "superior"

20:49:44 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 18:07:55; davout: pete_dushenski: s/undettered/undeterred/

20:49:44 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 20:00:11; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "much superior " is not english yo. muchly. vastly. something.

20:50:45 pete_dushenski: also, it wasn't at all clear where googley eyes borrowed "More transactions means more memory for the UTXO database" from, but i agree, mircea_popescu, log quotes should be in there.

21:00:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17234 @ 0.00026115 = 4.5007 BTC [-]

21:08:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00026101 = 7.9739 BTC [-] {2}

21:11:29 pete_dushenski: "“Don’t vote! None have the right to legislate except Allah,” read one of dozens of bills splayed on car windshields outside the St. Saviour’s polling station in the east London constituency of Poplar and Limehouse. " << that's one angle from which to poke holes in popular democracy, i guess

21:12:37 pete_dushenski: "any Muslim political candidate who sought to represent the issues most keenly felt by his fellow co-religionists – for example, solidarity with the Palestinian cause – risked being demonized and labelled an extremist."

21:13:17 pete_dushenski: "Popular British-Bangladeshi politician Lutfur Rahman was kicked out of office after being found guilty of corruption and illegal practices. Mr. Rahman has publically denied the charges and his supporters have accused the ex-mayor’s critics of racism and Islamophobia." << those racialists !

21:14:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00026199 = 4.9647 BTC [+]

21:16:22 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRGC-5LjJ2M << "is it coz i is black ?"

21:16:23 assbot: Ali G racialist - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FcovRV )

21:20:59 Naphex: pete_dushenski: doez yoo think the media have changed?:)

21:21:49 pete_dushenski: lol "i have 50 books on the english language if you need to borrow one"

21:32:36 Naphex: pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/WXhyD0QOw6s?t=1289 is a classic one too :D lmao

21:32:38 assbot: Da Ali G Show - USA (FULL) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fcpzp2 )

21:33:58 pete_dushenski: totally.

21:40:54 pete_dushenski: http://www.commieobama.com/pages/hat_info.html << damn, ushanka with 'leninade' sold out.

21:40:55 assbot: Commie Obama Rally Cap ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANCtme )

21:45:16 pete_dushenski: "President Obama (both a graduate from the Ivy League and Nobel prize winner) is neither smart, nor a noteworthy peace maker. But that doesn't matter. The left has won over the key voting boards to give him these now-plastic trophies which dupes enough Americans into voting him (and other talentless leftists) into office." << notbad.

21:47:03 pete_dushenski: "Unfortunately, this facade is not going to last. And the reason is very simple. The internet.The internet is breaking the left's grip on the scams these awards have become. "

21:47:39 pete_dushenski: ok, ima invite this guy over.

21:54:19 pete_dushenski: ah, "awaiting comment moderation"

21:55:33 pete_dushenski: in any event, please to !up "captaincapitalism" if he makes his way here.

21:55:42 pete_dushenski: http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.ca/ << him.

21:55:44 assbot: Captain Capitalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANEdMh )

21:57:11 mircea_popescu: "Obama is neither smart nor a noteworthy peace maker. But that doesn't matter. The left has won over the key voting boards to give him these now-plastic trophies." << that part is exact.

21:57:49 pete_dushenski: quite so.

21:59:55 bitstein: mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/NakamotoInst/status/597158847103442944

22:00:12 mircea_popescu: $ curl -I http://thethug.life/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/giant.png

22:00:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANEGOp )

22:00:12 mircea_popescu: Content-Length: 2068032

22:00:16 mircea_popescu: dude williamdunne you can't be serious!

22:01:03 mircea_popescu: bitstein hey, cool

22:01:04 pete_dushenski: eek, i thought 1/10th of that on my previous header image was bad.

22:01:50 pete_dushenski: new golfing header image is only 69,813 bytes

22:02:01 bitstein: Right? That blog post of yours made my afternoon.

22:02:28 pete_dushenski: bitstein: the gavin one ?

22:02:32 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: mmm probably ought to reduce that number

22:02:51 pete_dushenski: bitstein: a nm, mp's !

22:04:52 williamdunne: I was just moving it over to wordpress yesterday

22:04:54 williamdunne: Not done yet

22:06:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18201 @ 0.00025853 = 4.7055 BTC [-] {3}

22:10:58 Naphex: pete_dushenski: found this on your blog http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/GIF.pdf it was just what i needed atm. awesome thanks! :P

22:11:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ANFRNO )

22:12:19 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-05-2015#1126523 <<< fixed, thanks clippy

22:12:19 assbot: Logged on 09-05-2015 18:08:33; davout: what am i? the fucking ms office paperclip?

22:15:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9937 @ 0.00026199 = 2.6034 BTC [+]

22:16:04 pete_dushenski: Naphex: thank taleb !

22:16:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31298 @ 0.00026199 = 8.1998 BTC [+]

22:19:49 decimation: lol http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.ca/2015/05/im-officially-predicting-recessionbut.html < us is gonna have another recession soon

22:19:50 assbot: Captain Capitalism: I'm Officially Predicting Recession...But... ... ( http://bit.ly/1dUqSwN )

22:20:50 decimation: turns out 2% growth is the 'new normal' and a good chunk of that is simply due to inviting the third world to move here and spend usd

22:21:43 cazalla: decimation, i use to read his stuff but i think he has an over-inflated sense of his own intelligence (some IQ video of his rubbed me the wrong way.. coulda been this, coulda been that, coulda been a dr type shit)

22:22:00 cazalla: pete_dushenski, fixed and added oh-so

22:22:41 decimation: yeah, he probably posts more noise than signal from a brief overview

22:23:10 decimation: are you with funkenstein - there's no genetic basis for IQ?

22:24:31 cazalla: i wouldn't have a clue nor do i care, i just want to garden ok

22:24:42 decimation: heh fair enough

22:25:44 decimation: I would recommend watching this series: http://www.pellebilling.com/2011/12/norwegian-comedian-challenges-myths-about-nature-versus-nurture/

22:25:46 assbot: Norwegian Comedian Challenges Myths About Nature Versus Nurture Pelle Billing ... ( http://bit.ly/1dUreDv )

22:25:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27750 @ 0.00025279 = 7.0149 BTC [-] {2}

22:27:42 jurov: $depth x.eur

22:27:47 jurov: !depth x.eur

22:27:53 cazalla: fwiw, i think it's a combination of the two but then again, some kids will do well regardless of which family they find themselves born into so who knows, i'm trying the nurture thing with my son so we'll see

22:28:12 jurov: !t m x.eur

22:28:12 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00464884 / 0.00465496 / 0.00468076 (125 shares, 0.58 BTC), 7D: 0.00464884 / 0.00475938 / 0.00493174 (1467 shares, 6.98 BTC), 30D: 0.00441189 / 0.00460537 / 0.00497501 (6442 shares, 29.67 BTC)

22:28:49 jurov: !mpif

22:28:50 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]

22:29:17 decimation: cazalla: I agree, the question is merely 'what is the ratio'? 80% nature? 50/50? The answer isn't obvious, but the evidence seems to tilt toward 'mostly genetic, some nurture'

22:30:01 decimation: ;;ticker

22:30:02 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 244.0, Best ask: 244.01, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 244.0, 24 hour volume: 18972.17104936, 24 hour low: 240.1, 24 hour high: 249.21, 24 hour vwap: None

22:32:05 jurov: nah, it's all the about celestial body constellations at birth

22:34:17 cazalla: jurov, some people believe that :\ missus has a friend that takes her 3 year olds to get their chi flowing

22:34:56 pete_dushenski: cazalla: cheers !

22:35:10 jurov: sounds dangerously close to pedo

22:36:00 cazalla: nah, chinese herbs and acupuncture

22:36:35 cazalla: but if you were a pedo, it would make for a great cloak to guise yourself in

22:37:20 decimation: cazalla, regarding nurture, it seems to me that the 'sure thing' is teaching skills like reading, languages, manual skills, etc

22:41:23 mircea_popescu: decimation how did you exclude "divine blessing" from your formula ?

22:42:24 cazalla: decimation, i'd include proper food (i prepare nearly all the meals for my son) and some adversity, too many kids being nurtured to death these days

22:42:40 decimation: "divine blessing" has nothing to do with worldly outcomes

22:42:48 mircea_popescu: what, apodictically ?

22:43:06 decimation: cazalla: agreed, kids need to figure stuff out themselves

22:43:09 mircea_popescu: if you do that, what's to impede funkenstain from excluding genetics consideration from "wordly outcomes" ?

22:43:18 mircea_popescu: after all, genetics is a statistical approach, you're discussing individuals.

22:43:40 decimation: absolutely. still, one would have to explain the twins studies

22:44:28 mircea_popescu: point remains, it's at best strange to be trying to split percents when you've not even produced a rigurous set of factors.

22:44:59 decimation: how can anything involving humanity be split into factors? it's all a wag

22:45:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26778 @ 0.00025272 = 6.7673 BTC [-]

22:45:29 mircea_popescu: i suppose so

22:45:47 mircea_popescu: then at most you can say is, nurture 2x as important as nature. youcan't say 66%/33%

22:46:55 decimation: agreed, that's a more precise wording. "Nature seems to have a stronger effect than nurture in a variety of situations"

22:47:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the sake of bothering you, let me propose an equivalent model.

22:47:30 mircea_popescu: so : suppose we're looking at a recipient of defined gas, and each molecule's "iq" is its kinetic momentum.

22:47:43 mircea_popescu: so... is type or circumstance more impactful in the iq of a given molecule ?

22:47:57 mircea_popescu: 1) the "iq"s are distributed normally

22:48:13 mircea_popescu: 2) if the recipient is full of identical molecules... you STILL get normal distribution of "IQ"

22:48:19 mircea_popescu: what now ?

22:49:18 mircea_popescu: the flagon full of hydrogen is a very boring Africa of "IQ" because it never produces the fun looking lasers other compositions produce.

22:49:20 decimation: little can be said, until one encounters another defined gas with a different mean

22:49:33 mircea_popescu: (clearly, mixing all the gases together into multigasualism is the solution!"

22:49:48 mircea_popescu: (also clearly, chlorine's refusal to miscegenate with oxigen is racism!)

22:50:15 decimation: heh

22:51:10 decimation: even socialist professors admit that people generally 'have worse outcomes' in a situation where they are surrounded by other humans unlike themselves

22:51:19 mircea_popescu: in short : the complexities involved in this matter are properly wovon

22:52:18 mircea_popescu: heh, i have been surrounded by humans unlike myself my entire life.

22:52:34 decimation: the best one can do is try to find 'natural experiments' like twins, but I'm sure with enough study of the details there one could find plenty of subtle 'unlikenesses' between supposedly identical twins

22:54:25 mircea_popescu: for that matter - all brothers are mithocondrial twins.

23:19:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73900 @ 0.00026224 = 19.3795 BTC [+] {2}

23:30:20 pete_dushenski: !up jordandotdev

23:31:31 pete_dushenski: what's new, jordandotdev ?

23:31:49 jordandotdev: notta living in San Francisco...fighting the good fight

23:32:07 pete_dushenski: what do you do in sanfran ?

23:32:11 jordandotdev: Software engineer

23:32:15 jordandotdev: doing NGO work right now

23:32:19 jordandotdev: consulting...

23:32:34 pete_dushenski: like software consulting ?

23:32:37 jordandotdev: yeah

23:32:44 jordandotdev: for NGOs ...

23:32:52 jordandotdev: was working in Hong Kong last year trying to get into Bitcoin...

23:32:53 pete_dushenski: links to any work ?

23:33:08 jordandotdev: it's mostly back-office stuff for orgs

23:33:15 jordandotdev: I have a bitcoin streaming site I'm messing around with

23:33:21 jordandotdev: but haven't decided what direction to take it in

23:33:27 jordandotdev: http://tipt.tv

23:33:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTuSHO )

23:33:41 jordandotdev: use betacode 'tipt'

23:34:12 pete_dushenski: ah, looks like a platform for camgirls or something

23:34:23 jordandotdev: yeah I can't decide I wanted to learn more about RMTP etc.

23:34:30 jordandotdev: I met some people that wanted to do eSports tournaments

23:34:33 pete_dushenski: that background is giving me a fucking seizure though

23:34:34 jordandotdev: but they haven't gotten back to me

23:34:38 jordandotdev: haha sorry

23:35:09 pete_dushenski: so why don't you follow up with these esports fellas ?

23:35:16 pete_dushenski: gotta be persistent y'know

23:35:19 jordandotdev: they haven't gotten back to me...for sure

23:35:24 jordandotdev: been busy moving and getting into a new city

23:35:29 jordandotdev: everyone has a project!

23:35:41 jordandotdev: I was hacking away on this when I was unemployed

23:36:41 jordandotdev: but yeah I will follow up with them ... the video platforms that make bitcoin a first-class citizen are pretty few and far-between

23:36:46 jordandotdev: twitch has tipping obviously but

23:36:56 jordandotdev: but they've got a stanglehold on that market

23:37:10 pete_dushenski: !s twitch

23:37:11 assbot: 35 results for 'twitch' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twitch

23:38:10 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808727 ok.

23:38:10 assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 20:33:27; assbot: Amazon to buy live-stream gaming site Twitch for $970M - CNET

23:38:26 pete_dushenski: jordandotdev: so hong kong...

23:38:33 jordandotdev: yeah I worked with Bitfinex for a bit

23:38:44 jordandotdev: and am still interviewing for a few more projects with some contacts I made there

23:38:55 pete_dushenski: what was bitfinex like on the inside ?

23:38:57 jordandotdev: and some other Bitcoin people I met in HK -- some have moved on etc.

23:39:27 jordandotdev: well I was friends with Raphael at first...he's in London and he runs the tech side of thing...I was working with the CEO there...so they're a distributed team

23:39:54 *: pete_dushenski didn't know that bitfinex was in hk, only that they're 'bitcoinica' reincarnate

23:39:54 jordandotdev: and the CEO is great, and they're good guys, really focused on keeping people safe...but as far as 'tech initiatives' I was really in the wrong place

23:40:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38829 @ 0.00026289 = 10.2078 BTC [+] {3}

23:40:21 pete_dushenski: relevant : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791907

23:40:21 assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 00:57:07; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah, lots of history there. bitfinex was a coupla twerps that took the leaked bitcoinica codebase and started a new bitcoinica, back in 2012ish ? early 2013 ? (that code was in the wild because after the nth breach, amir taaki of bitcoin consultancy fame "open sourced" it by releasing it without rights)

23:40:46 jordandotdev: yeah HQ is in HK, and they're domiciled in HK, Taiwan, and British Antilles?

23:41:01 pete_dushenski: jordandotdev: so if they're 'distributed' why did you move to hk ? why not stay stateside (where i presume you're from ?)

23:41:13 jordandotdev: I was working for a VC firm as my dayjob

23:41:21 jordandotdev: I was just just consulting on some internal projects

23:41:29 jordandotdev: VC was based in HK and Mumbai ...

23:41:43 jordandotdev: but that job didn't end up working out - and I wasn't getting enough other work with Bitfinex to support myself there

23:41:51 jordandotdev: so it was either go work for a bank in HK or come back to the states

23:42:10 pete_dushenski: what's wrong with a bank in hk ?

23:43:15 jordandotdev: I just don't want to work at a bank at this point in my career

23:43:24 jordandotdev: I'm still happy to do start-up stuff here in the states

23:43:36 jordandotdev: start-up scene in HK is kind of nascent compared to SF

23:44:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5425 @ 0.00025405 = 1.3782 BTC [-] {2}

23:44:11 jordandotdev: I do want to get into finance so I'm looking to do project management for quantitative developers etc. / go to school for a masters in finance if I can cut it (:

23:44:16 jordandotdev: how about you pete_dushenski have we talked before?

23:45:01 pete_dushenski: seems to me like a bank would be a perfectly reasonable place to learn finance, likely better than 'quantitative developers'

23:45:14 pete_dushenski: but mebbe i'm off.

23:45:40 pete_dushenski: jordandotdev: i don't believe we've talked before, no.

23:45:48 jordandotdev: Oh ok ...

23:51:39 pete_dushenski: https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= << call it a doubling-and-a-half of block size over the last two years.

23:51:40 assbot: Bitcoin Average Block Size ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTw0v5 )

23:55:16 pete_dushenski: jordandotdev: so what brings you by today ? anything in particular ?

23:55:55 jordandotdev: pete_dushenski: naw just had this as one of my channels in autojoin irccloud - I've been interested in mircea's work and have read some of his stuff

23:56:30 pete_dushenski: ah ok. you in the wot yet ?

23:56:37 jordandotdev: wot?

23:56:46 pete_dushenski: web of trust.

23:56:51 pete_dushenski: uses pgp.

23:56:57 jordandotdev: Ummm it's been some time since I last updated it

23:57:02 jordandotdev: I don't think I did one for bitcoin-assets

23:57:11 jordandotdev: I did one for bitcoin-otc a while ago

23:57:16 pete_dushenski: double ummm, you don't 'update' pgp

23:57:25 jordandotdev: sorry

23:57:38 jordandotdev: yes I have my key I don't know if I'm in this web-of-trust

23:57:48 pete_dushenski: !h

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23:57:55 pete_dushenski: ^follow along.

23:58:27 jordandotdev: roger that