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Transcript for 09-06-2015, 1181 lines:

00:07:29 trinque: decimation: schizophrenic goes it alone, creates a system far lispier than this gentoo mess I live in

00:07:31 trinque: something sad about that

00:08:19 decimation: well, the idea of executing everything in 'ring 0' is appealing to me

00:09:03 trinque: Every piece of code in TempleOS (except the initial kernel/compiler) is JIT compiled on demand. Yes that’s right – you can run a program without compiling it, simply by using an #include statement from the command line. << I believe this is one of asciilifeform's desirable system features

00:09:05 decimation: the concept of partitioning security zones on a 'c machine' is an excercise in sophistry

00:10:31 trinque: "TempleOS is a motorbike. If you lean over too far, you’ll fall off. Don’t do that." << this guy's awesome.

00:13:15 scoopbot_revived: Ministry of Games: Eulora Enters Public Beta http://qntra.net/2015/06/ministry-of-games-eulora-enters-public-beta/

00:13:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60134 @ 0.00035592 = 21.4029 BTC [+] {2}

00:14:36 decimation: http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2015/02/alex_payne_one_of_twitters_fir.html < this alex payne guy was part of those who joined the anti-yarvin campaign

00:14:37 assbot: Alex Payne, who helped build Twitter, returns to Portland as tech mentor and vegan restaurateur | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZ7oaH )

00:14:57 decimation: "While much of Silicon Valley grew enamored of the digital currency Bitcoin as a libertarian alternative to central banks, Payne began consulting with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a new federal agency created at the urging of liberal lion Elizabeth Warren."

00:19:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171150 @ 0.00036788 = 62.9627 BTC [+] {2}

00:32:09 mircea_popescu: "helped build twitter" whassat.

00:32:28 mircea_popescu: like http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-35.0-35.72

00:32:29 assbot: The battlefield of the future on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCF2w )

00:33:04 mircea_popescu: and wtf is a "liberal lion" and wtf, warren's roughly speaking a shop clerk. what lion./

00:33:43 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md71g7nlTq1rq6vz1o1_500.gif << liberal kittens.

00:33:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MjCMem )

00:34:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00036819 = 6.4801 BTC [+] {2}

00:50:00 BingoBoingo: http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150608/civic-center/jail-doctors-made-man-impotent-by-failing-treat-6-day-erection-lawuit

00:50:02 assbot: Jail Doctors Made Man Impotent by Failing to Treat 6-Day Erection: Lawsuit - Civic Center - DNAinfo.com New York ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYGPMP )

01:19:51 trinque: god this payne guy is exactly what's wrong with portland

01:21:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115319 @ 0.00035027 = 40.3928 BTC [-] {3}

01:22:20 trinque: fucking communist that took his stumbling into wealth as a sign that being a communist is right (what.. the fuck?), that businesses which something something social good are going to succeed, that the financial considerations are not essential to business but evil!

01:23:46 trinque: at least if he had the spine to be a proper communist I'd have a shred more respect

01:24:18 mats: lies

01:24:40 mats: this place breeds contempt

01:25:23 trinque: mats: actually I produce my own home-grown, free range contempt

01:25:50 mircea_popescu: lol

01:25:59 mats: carry on

01:26:51 mircea_popescu: well trinque... it worked when random ho was telling all the lazy schoolage hos about how the path to oprah richdom is not in school.

01:26:56 mircea_popescu: why should the same not work on bois ?

01:27:03 mircea_popescu: gangsta rap fo' da whitey!

01:29:47 trinque: bleh... BLEH!

01:30:14 *: trinque was raised by stern white men who said "do useful work, improve yourself, don't be a fucking fool"

01:30:31 trinque: seems that all evaporated in the US

01:33:05 ben_vulpes: whadday'all use for desktop environments, if any? i've inserted ubuntu into this mac and now need to make it usable

01:33:20 trinque: ben_vulpes: for who? yourself?

01:33:27 ben_vulpes: myeah

01:33:33 ben_vulpes: should i skip the desktop environment?

01:33:33 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: XFCE is prolly the best stating out option

01:33:35 trinque: could always copy your stump over

01:33:53 BingoBoingo: Or just use a bare windows manager

01:33:54 trinque: yeah xfce's lightweight, the various *box (openbox, fluxbox) ones are also very lightweight

01:34:01 ben_vulpes: myeah i plan to run stump

01:34:12 ben_vulpes: is teh desktop environment even strictly speaking necessary?

01:34:26 BingoBoingo: not really

01:34:44 trinque: my setup is xdm and stumpwm

01:35:10 trinque: BingoBoingo: xdm will read a file called .xsession in your home dir to launch whatever you want

01:35:24 trinque: rather execute, not read

01:35:41 trinque: bash script in there with: exec /your/wm/binary

01:36:03 BingoBoingo: trinque: Yeah, that's pretty much the standard for setting up anything.

01:41:33 BingoBoingo: !up tsoulus

01:41:36 BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard

01:41:45 BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: How goes the shoulder

01:42:38 Pierre_Rochard: it’s out of the sling, starting physical therapy tomorrow

01:42:56 Pierre_Rochard: btw giving my two weeks notice to bitpay tomorrow

01:43:03 Pierre_Rochard: I’m going back to wall street

01:43:04 ben_vulpes: scoop!

01:43:08 ben_vulpes: wow rly

01:43:10 Pierre_Rochard: haha

01:43:28 ben_vulpes: what'd you do in WS?

01:43:32 ben_vulpes: s/in/on

01:43:48 Pierre_Rochard: accountant for new securitization issuances

01:44:24 Pierre_Rochard: this will be a different role though, I’ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases

01:45:17 scoopbot_revived: Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://fraudsters.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/

01:46:22 trinque: Pierre_Rochard: sounds like a vast improvement :p

01:46:55 *: trinque shudders to think of some of the worst abuses of excel spreadsheets he's seen

01:47:13 Pierre_Rochard: trinque: agreed, great role to hone my python skills in

01:51:33 ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: get intimate with the sql

01:51:49 ben_vulpes: trinque likes to bang on about how it was designed as an end-user-programming environment for accountants

01:51:55 trinque: word

01:53:10 trinque: all the questions any account will ever want to ask are able to be expressed as SQL

01:53:31 trinque: worth considering how close you may be able to get the accountant to writing the queries themselves

01:54:09 *: trinque put a great deal of effort into that problem, only to conclude that one should learn to write the damn query directly

01:54:12 Pierre_Rochard: agreed, though I do lean on sqlalchemy a lot, I can write raw sql

01:54:28 Pierre_Rochard: I’d like to just go straight to pl/pgsql at some point

01:55:00 trinque: staying too cozy in python, you'll probably end up reinventing things the db can do better

01:55:19 trinque: consider for example the difference between using a python ORM and raw SQL for an aggregate over some column

01:55:55 trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate

01:56:39 danielpbarron: http://www.trashbagbondage.com/ >> Welcome to Trash Bag Bondage >> We now accept bitcoin

01:57:28 mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> this will be a different role though, I?ll be working with institutional investors to move their accounting from spreadsheets and PDFs to SQL databases <<< the virgin goddess weeps.

01:58:11 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-06-2015#1157366 << highest performance card where the open driver actually worked (of those still produced)

01:58:11 assbot: Logged on 08-06-2015 23:57:30; decimation: asciilifeform: the intel cards were hardly high performance

01:59:01 Pierre_Rochard: trinque: I made that mistake with the first version of pacioli with datetime logic, I’ve pushed all of that logic onto postgres now

02:00:32 trinque: Pierre_Rochard: that said I am under the suspicion that this kind of programming can also be done with CLOS in common lisp

02:00:46 trinque: though I'm not sure yet what that looks like

02:00:52 trinque: asciilifeform: ?

02:00:54 mats: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/523245.html

02:00:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYL0s8 )

02:01:11 mats: >Russian Dies After Eating [Parts of] Tablet Computer to Avoid Police Detention

02:01:25 trinque: not that kind of tablet

02:01:34 trinque: lol

02:01:38 mircea_popescu: they didn't beat him or nottin

02:02:29 asciilifeform: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/girl-electrocuted-by-tablet-in-bathtub/504561.html << related !

02:02:29 assbot: Girl Electrocuted by Tablet in Bathtub | News | The Moscow Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYLa2H )

02:02:52 *: asciilifeform misread initially as 'girl electrocuted by toilet in bathtub'

02:02:58 trinque: I guess franz, inc has some sort of database over CLOS objects

02:03:19 asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant'

02:03:26 asciilifeform: which turns any clos class into a working db

02:03:30 trinque: asciilifeform: very cool

02:03:32 trinque: ty

02:03:40 asciilifeform: it is very finicky but once it works - it works.

02:04:36 trinque: every program I've ever been paid to write was just a glorified db editor

02:04:47 trinque: still looking for the perfect set of tools for that

02:04:50 asciilifeform: trinque: consider new job ?

02:04:57 trinque: pays just fine, why would I/

02:05:17 asciilifeform: at least change gas mask filter frequently.

02:05:18 trinque: I'm under the delusion that I can make suffciently general tools the jobs don't take that long

02:05:20 trinque: lol

02:06:07 ben_vulpes: i'm going to beg a copy of trinque's tools and go murder parts of the economy he's not

02:06:27 trinque: right, that's the fun part

02:07:00 ben_vulpes: i'll work on dirty bits too

02:07:16 *: asciilifeform spent virtually whole day moving logic analyzer probes around.

02:07:37 ben_vulpes: at least you weren't programming?

02:07:48 mircea_popescu: LA still takes programmingm

02:07:51 asciilifeform: no, but i'm waiting for mircea_popescu to wake up and tell me how to do that from across an ocean

02:07:58 asciilifeform: l0l there he is.

02:08:13 mircea_popescu: >D

02:08:55 mircea_popescu: im too busy fucking digging up boulders for crying out loud

02:09:10 asciilifeform: l0lders

02:09:53 mircea_popescu: this is all i ever dreamed of - a mmorpg where i know the owner so all the stupid shit can be shot in the head

02:10:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 333843 @ 0.00034431 = 114.9455 BTC [-] {4}

02:10:37 asciilifeform: little did mircea_popescu know that it is not enough to shoot stupid shit in the head, it has to be scattered with trotyl and buries in five separate graves, or will re-assemble

02:10:59 mircea_popescu: i don't mind.

02:11:23 *: mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether anyone ever manages to reverse the magic i put into this thing

02:11:52 asciilifeform: reverse in the sense of building it again somewhere else ?

02:12:19 mircea_popescu: reverse in the sense of descvribing the black box.

02:12:21 asciilifeform: or in the sense of godelizing it to go to some unintended place

02:12:22 asciilifeform: ah

02:12:49 mircea_popescu: it is after all the one problem of the clockwork puzzle. how to make one ?

02:13:36 danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github

02:13:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYMank )

02:13:52 mircea_popescu: is it a collection of tubes ?

02:14:41 mircea_popescu: "e-note" ?

02:14:45 mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people.

02:15:34 mircea_popescu: in other news, there's 3x as many people reading fraudsters off a sony playstation than nintendo wii

02:15:37 danielpbarron: the news lady in the background looks baffled

02:15:39 mircea_popescu: i had nfi you could do that.

02:16:07 trinque: wii's got opera on it, dunno bout ps

02:16:38 mircea_popescu: so how do you type ?

02:16:53 danielpbarron: on screen keyboard plus joystick

02:17:00 mircea_popescu: oh

02:17:12 trinque: on the wii you use a mickey mouse finger and your self respect

02:17:41 trinque: I guess the ps browser might be opera too

02:18:20 mircea_popescu: Mr Warren Buffett Mon, 4:48 am 4.5 KiB $5 MILLION USD DONATION FROM MR WARREN BUFFETT

02:19:47 mircea_popescu: "I like to re-assure you of the legitimacy of this services as we will not be involved in any fraudulent act and will never be. use the money wisely, we only want to feel good by helping people this time of the year, this is the only thing that makes my wife happy too even now that she is not here with me anymore, we have too much to give away as I only have few months left on earth."

02:20:03 mircea_popescu: apparently one doesn't need to master english to catch the run-on sentences disease.

02:22:52 trinque: well shit I can't argue with pleasing his dead wife

02:22:56 trinque: where do I wire the funds?

02:23:25 mircea_popescu: send em to bill gates.

02:24:06 mircea_popescu: fun fact : search for barren muffett -> Quiz?s quisiste decir: warren buffett

02:25:31 mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"

02:26:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124850 @ 0.00034191 = 42.6875 BTC [-] {2}

02:28:03 trinque: I'm sure for humanitarian reasons.

02:28:47 mircea_popescu: speaking of trios, she actually left the guy to be a cabaret dancer in the 70s,

02:28:54 mircea_popescu: then provided a replacement (astrid)

02:28:59 mircea_popescu: the three sorta lived together

02:29:34 mats: did he inspire you to do the same

02:30:24 mircea_popescu: mno

02:30:34 mats: :P

02:30:45 *: mircea_popescu only heard of buffett relatively recently.

02:40:13 decimation: asciilifeform: who killed matrox?

02:41:27 decimation: although all the matrox boards I have used recently were shit

02:46:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7740 @ 0.00034833 = 2.6961 BTC [+]

02:49:54 decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse

02:53:42 trinque: wait wait

02:53:51 trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil

02:54:43 trinque: well hell, the currency's not worth anything anymore, maybe they are

02:54:53 asciilifeform: decimation: matrox killed itself

02:55:04 asciilifeform: decimation: by turning full-bore winblows-only

02:55:17 asciilifeform: it was once the gold standard of graphics-for-linux

02:55:23 decimation: yeah I remember

02:55:28 *: asciilifeform owned a succession of matrox boards, until this.

02:55:37 decimation: amusingly even modern x86 servers still come with matrox cards

02:55:40 decimation: but they are shit

02:55:54 *: asciilifeform has not encountered or so much as smelled a matrox board for many years

02:56:08 decimation: asciilifeform: they come on both dell & hp rack servers

02:56:15 decimation: as 'standard console'

02:57:02 *: asciilifeform never seen anything but intel graphics in those

02:57:30 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157534 << fuse does exactly nothing in such a case. you were thinking of a 'ground-fault-interrupter'

02:57:30 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:49:54; decimation: I bet the girl in the bathtub would have wished that her charger came with a $0.01 fuse

02:57:51 asciilifeform: (gadget standard in newer bathrooms which senses whether current-in == current-out, and kills circuit if not)

02:57:53 decimation: well, depends on the exact nature of the shock

02:58:08 decimation: was it 5v? or 240v mains?

02:58:08 asciilifeform: btw even these do not always help in the case of 'toaster in bathtub'

02:58:16 asciilifeform: almost certainly mains

02:58:21 asciilifeform: 5v doesn't do much in water

02:58:32 decimation: most shit chinese transformers I've come across are direct shorts to neutral

02:58:46 decimation: 5v ground short to neutral

02:59:12 trinque: "Development work on Elephant been limited since 2009 and support not complete for the latest versions of SBCL and ClozureCL. It hasn't been tested at all with recent Allegro and Lispworks releases." << must be near the end of the most recent lisp cycle

02:59:13 decimation: but yes, a gfi would have helped too. are they not standard in ru?

03:02:40 asciilifeform: decimation: take a guess.

03:03:05 asciilifeform: (they are 'standard' in usa too, but i only touched one with own hands when moved into current house)

03:03:20 decimation: heh yeah

03:03:34 decimation: building codes are a dumbass idea

03:04:16 asciilifeform: americans often piss their pants (or nearly) when travelling abroad to 'orc' world, when they discover what -no- building code looks like

03:04:21 decimation: not because building to standards is dumb, but because it inevitably turns into a racket

03:04:27 asciilifeform: e.g., light switches at whatever height builder felt like placing them

03:04:36 decimation: heh yeah 'concrete box' is sop

03:04:50 asciilifeform: (i have heard of literal pant-pissing when subject could not find light switch in toilet)

03:05:31 decimation: asciilifeform: what I don't get about the 'orc' world is: why not learn to fix shit like that yourself?

03:05:39 decimation: orcs can access wikipedia too

03:05:46 asciilifeform: decimation: on a typical day, do you feel like moving a light switch ?

03:05:51 asciilifeform: one that works perfectly

03:05:56 decimation: heh good point

03:05:58 asciilifeform: or are there 1,001 other things to do.

03:07:42 asciilifeform: decimation: not like 'humans' will fix their broken-by-design surroundings. visit a few folks in usa and see how many drilled out the idiot 'water saver' thing from their shower head.

03:07:45 asciilifeform: my guess: none

03:08:00 asciilifeform: ditto the toilet

03:08:24 asciilifeform: (more complicated problem, but most can be transformed into something like a pre-1992 model)

03:08:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 148732 @ 0.00034091 = 50.7042 BTC [-] {3}

03:08:31 trinque: I tend to be amazed by guys my age that don't own *any* tools

03:08:43 asciilifeform: trinque: wai wat

03:09:14 trinque: at the amazement or the lack of tools

03:09:46 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah the 'low flow' toilets are bullshit

03:09:47 asciilifeform: for non-u.s. folks: picture a toilet that won't flush -anything solid- in less than 3-4 shots

03:09:50 asciilifeform: (if lucky)

03:10:16 decimation: but isn't the flow limited by ceramic plumbing?

03:10:28 asciilifeform: decimation: in the worst cases, yes

03:10:36 asciilifeform: but more typically, it is 'set in software'

03:10:42 asciilifeform: that is, by the position of the siphon

03:10:47 decimation: yeah, makes sense

03:11:01 trinque: yeah mine's got that adjuster on the arm you can diddle a bit

03:12:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157500 << gotta love the idiots. as if 'git' had no existence outside of 'github'

03:12:19 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:13:36; danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUADXETCIAEokzE.png << fox news explains github

03:13:27 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157521 << how many did she shoot with own rifle ?

03:13:27 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:25:31; mircea_popescu: oh and also : susan (who died like a decade ago) was into "population control"

03:13:40 mircea_popescu: women aren't held to.

03:13:54 asciilifeform: fine. how many she ordered shot ?

03:14:04 *: mircea_popescu wasn't there, doesn't know.

03:14:27 decimation: heh so warren has a harem?

03:14:39 mircea_popescu: but the idea that random derps are getting 5mn from wb because susan'd have wanted it...

03:14:43 mircea_popescu: mkay.

03:14:55 mircea_popescu: decimation the 70s were 45 years ago.

03:15:16 mircea_popescu: anwyay, off i go. laters all!

03:16:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00034017 = 16.8554 BTC [-]

03:17:20 decimation: population control was pretty fashionable amoung 70's liberals

03:18:51 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu would you happen to know the name (part #?) of the yugoslavian clone of the cdp1802 ? or (if existed) ro version ?

03:18:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:19:38 decimation: asciilifeform: your history of x86 link was interesting

03:21:02 asciilifeform: decimation: gotta love how the -single worst- cpu of the '80s is still with us.

03:21:14 asciilifeform: (one of the best, z80, is -also- still with us. in current production, by the millions.)

03:21:20 decimation: heh yeah

03:21:40 asciilifeform: you can even get pin-compatible with the classical dip-40 package.

03:21:46 asciilifeform: ~5 usd.

03:22:57 decimation: asciilifeform: how much does that space qualified ancient cpu cost?

03:23:07 asciilifeform: decimation: depends where

03:23:17 asciilifeform: decimation: old-new stock on 'ebay' - 2-3 usd.

03:23:27 asciilifeform: brand-new from 'intersil' - somewhere south of 200

03:23:41 asciilifeform: (but will they ship to a plebe? satan only knows)

03:24:07 decimation: heh, maybe if you a plebe in the us

03:24:09 asciilifeform: if you want it, straight to ebay

03:24:14 asciilifeform: where there are sealed tubes still for sale

03:24:18 asciilifeform: enough to last your whole life

03:24:37 asciilifeform: and to equip an entire space fleet

03:25:48 asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066 << example circuit for it. (cdp1802)

03:25:50 assbot: Loper OS » MicroWriter Redux. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnhfBi )

03:25:57 asciilifeform: it's the fat bugger in the middle

03:25:59 asciilifeform: (dip-40)

03:26:01 decimation: asciilifeform: related: http://www.planetary.org/blogs/jason-davis/2015/20150530-lightsail-phones-home.html

03:26:03 assbot: Contact! LightSail Phones Home after 8-Day Silence | The Planetary Society ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnhi0e )

03:26:20 decimation: heh the cy enfield keyboard

03:26:52 decimation: apparently the 'new cool kids' couldn't be bothered to write decent software or use rad hard cpu

03:27:23 asciilifeform: decimation: endfield didn't pick it because rad-hard, but because was cheap and had very interesting (read: efficient) instruction set

03:27:44 decimation: yeah I'm sure he didn't use space qualified

03:27:51 asciilifeform: it beat the shit out of its contemporaries (z80, 6502) for instruction-compactness

03:28:02 asciilifeform: the basic model was actually 'spacey'

03:28:20 asciilifeform: (later it sold as si-on-sapphire for added 'spaciness')

03:28:54 decimation: if I were launching a satellite I would sure as hell rather have time-proven parts

03:28:55 asciilifeform: thing had huge transistors, and only around 5,000 of them

03:29:10 decimation: at least for the command/control peices

03:29:45 decimation: write in forth if assembly is too much

03:29:47 asciilifeform: for many years i have searched for a period example of 'voting circuit'

03:29:54 asciilifeform: which 1802 etc. was surely used in

03:30:00 asciilifeform: but never found this

03:30:01 decimation: 'tandem cpus'?

03:30:02 asciilifeform: aha

03:30:35 asciilifeform: at one point i toyed with the idea of building a 'wallet' with one.

03:30:48 asciilifeform: long ago.

03:32:12 decimation: yeah that's what you would want

03:32:49 asciilifeform: 'a sapper errs once' (tm)

03:33:34 decimation: maybe intel will get around to releasing a cpu that uses cores for error checking rather than extra derpage

03:34:02 asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.

03:34:52 decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that nxp bought freescale

03:34:58 asciilifeform: aha

03:35:05 *: asciilifeform was not moved to emotion by this

03:35:07 decimation: soon all we will have is intelroloa

03:35:22 decimation: usg dept. of chips

03:35:36 asciilifeform: the grand finale will be the intel-arm merger

03:35:57 asciilifeform: (arm is de-facto microshit to intel as present-day ibm)

03:36:59 asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov

03:37:23 asciilifeform: e.g., ussr had, in fact, a great many independent (in the administrative -and- engineering sense) manufacturers of various things

03:37:45 asciilifeform: nominally under the boot of 'gosplan' but factually own animals

03:38:01 asciilifeform: whereas there is not, nor can there be, an independent maker of, e.g., cpu, in the nato blok

03:38:46 decimation: asciilifeform: actually what's amusing is that usg has many similar competing departments

03:38:50 asciilifeform: e.g., i have found at least five entirely separate sov. clones of z80

03:39:08 asciilifeform: designed by different people, produced in entirely different places, with different processes

03:39:08 decimation: none of them make stuff themselves though

03:39:43 asciilifeform: some were not even clones in the traditional sense, but legit reimplementations

03:40:24 asciilifeform: iirc the sov. single-chip pdp11 (famous in 'bk-0010' microcomputer) appeared before there was such a thing in the west

03:40:57 decimation: the msp430 is kinda like the pdp11

03:40:58 asciilifeform: my elder brother, like millions of kids, learned on it

03:41:16 asciilifeform: decimation: only in the loose sense where 'commodore amiga' is like pdp

03:43:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.0003431 = 22.3015 BTC [+]

03:43:17 decimation: actually germany has a somewhat independent chip manufacturing plants

03:43:26 asciilifeform: had?

03:43:29 decimation: somehow they don't produce different designs though

03:43:36 asciilifeform: plenty of good stuff made in gdr

03:44:14 decimation: heh yeah ddr was the silicon valley of su

03:45:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.0003431 = 12.0771 BTC [+]

03:49:45 decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing

03:50:08 decimation: every weekend in baltimore several people catch a bullet, nobody gives a shit

03:51:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57524 @ 0.00034834 = 20.0379 BTC [+] {2}

03:53:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66000 @ 0.00035356 = 23.335 BTC [+]

04:03:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00036219 = 2.0464 BTC [+]

04:15:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6280 @ 0.00036498 = 2.2921 BTC [+]

04:23:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64400 @ 0.00036661 = 23.6097 BTC [+] {2}

04:39:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96000 @ 0.00036498 = 35.0381 BTC [-]

04:42:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91834 @ 0.00036498 = 33.5176 BTC [-]

05:11:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67011 @ 0.00036498 = 24.4577 BTC [-]

05:12:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5076 @ 0.00036498 = 1.8526 BTC [-]

05:21:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9030 @ 0.00036498 = 3.2958 BTC [-]

05:23:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 172257 @ 0.00036218 = 62.388 BTC [-] {2}

05:32:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 403050 @ 0.00036975 = 149.0277 BTC [+] {6}

06:15:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74250 @ 0.00036759 = 27.2936 BTC [-]

06:18:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145000 @ 0.00037201 = 53.9415 BTC [+] {2}

06:34:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100450 @ 0.00037303 = 37.4709 BTC [+] {3}

06:59:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 185802 @ 0.00036244 = 67.3421 BTC [-] {3}

07:39:58 punkman: https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/

07:39:59 assbot: Announcing Sidechain Elements: Open source code and developer sidechains for advancing Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYktrH )

08:07:42 davout: !s mod6 gentoo guide

08:07:43 assbot: 9 results for 'mod6 gentoo guide' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mod6+gentoo+guide

08:10:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 159987 @ 0.00037112 = 59.3744 BTC [+] {2}

08:13:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146000 @ 0.00037311 = 54.4741 BTC [+] {2}

08:25:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138200 @ 0.00036427 = 50.3421 BTC [-] {2}

08:30:10 punkman: !up vexual

08:30:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89253 @ 0.00036723 = 32.7764 BTC [+]

08:30:54 vexual: thanks punk

08:31:56 vexual: whats greece liek for the man on the street now?

08:34:26 vexual: i imagine everyones calm until one cunt throws an orange

08:34:55 punkman: I wouldn't know, looks like business as usual from my pov

08:36:09 vexual: no paycut for punkman eh?

08:36:24 punkman: I imagine things are more tense in Athens, but haven't been in that shithole for a while now

08:36:32 vexual: lol

08:36:42 vexual: ive never been

08:36:56 punkman: punkman doesn't do business in Greece

08:38:46 wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats

08:38:50 gribble: Current Blocks: 360123 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 740 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49249529780.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.48803

08:40:25 vexual: whats 3 pc in peta?

08:40:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47626 @ 0.00037375 = 17.8002 BTC [+] {2}

08:41:49 vexual: circa 1?

08:42:05 vexual: thats a guess

08:43:05 vexual: 24 moons either way im prolly right

08:43:47 punkman: that's 3 percent in difficulty not hashes

08:43:56 vexual: yes

08:44:19 vexual: how much hash does it take to move it 3pc

08:47:08 vexual: the consesnus is a guess at the hash

08:47:16 punkman: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

08:47:17 assbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZyX3C )

08:47:47 vexual: curlys for sale

08:51:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @ 0.00037383 = 25.6821 BTC [+] {2}

08:58:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72500 @ 0.00037398 = 27.1136 BTC [+]

09:00:06 vexual: hola bb

09:05:56 cazalla: evening

09:06:57 BingoBoingo: Hi

09:08:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00037456 = 8.952 BTC [+] {2}

09:15:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154250 @ 0.00037507 = 57.8545 BTC [+] {2}

09:18:16 BingoBoingo: !up gmaxwell

09:18:21 BingoBoingo: !up kyuupichan

09:19:30 shinohai: "If you don't like it, find another project" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIafZXRDH7w&feature=youtu.be&t=1672

09:19:31 assbot: CoinScrum: QA with Gavin Andresen and Mike Hearn - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1eZNexn )

09:19:39 shinohai: mkay

09:32:28 BingoBoingo: shinohai: What's the tldr; on the context?

09:33:22 shinohai: tl;dr If you need "another project" to work, join #b-a!

09:34:47 shinohai: ;;ticker

09:34:49 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 230.58, Best ask: 230.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 230.59, 24 hour volume: 28639.34531439, 24 hour low: 225.07, 24 hour high: 232.07, 24 hour vwap: None

09:38:45 wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats

09:38:49 gribble: Current Blocks: 360129 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 734 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49250775280.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.49065

09:39:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29970 @ 0.00036723 = 11.0059 BTC [-]

09:44:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73308 @ 0.00035592 = 26.0918 BTC [-] {2}

09:45:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50792 @ 0.0003539 = 17.9753 BTC [-]

09:58:26 punkman: shinohai: hah, good one

10:10:23 jurov: ;;calc 750/12

10:10:23 gribble: 62.5

10:10:54 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157536 << if each chump is worth $62.5 on average

10:10:54 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:53:51; trinque: how in the fuck is github worth anything let alone 750mil

10:21:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10982 @ 0.0003539 = 3.8865 BTC [-]

10:22:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90790 @ 0.0003583 = 32.5301 BTC [+] {2}

10:26:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58915 @ 0.00036457 = 21.4786 BTC [+]

10:36:54 wyrdmantis: any thoughts on this? --> https://youtu.be/zbp412zFsto

10:36:55 assbot: 양자암호원리, QKD, 야동? No! 양동!!! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T8Dvo4 )

11:25:48 shinohai: http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/01/10/japanese-hacker-sends-police-on-chase-to-find-cat-with-computer-virus-strapped-to-collar-encrypts-clues-with-final-fantasy-language/

11:31:45 funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre

11:40:14 funkenstein_: if there really are "many ways to discover the private keys", then there are necessarily many ways to discover the message sent, no matter how it was encrypted and keys distributed

11:52:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111168 @ 0.00037062 = 41.2011 BTC [+]

12:21:50 mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")

12:22:12 mircea_popescu: iirc the yugos had even more , but i don't recall specifics

12:22:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^

12:23:33 mircea_popescu: http://www.cpushack.com/gallery-1/mmn/mmn80cpu-2591/ << confirmed for correct visual.

12:23:36 assbot: MMN80CPU 2591 | The CPU Shack Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1dZVxcf )

12:44:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 147700 @ 0.00035899 = 53.0228 BTC [-]

12:59:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157652 << good choice, gold's a govt scam anyway

12:59:00 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:34:02; asciilifeform: intel can build a machine for transforming lead into gold, i still won't buy it.

12:59:40 mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."

13:00:09 mircea_popescu: the population of the world barn stood for it once, "monopoly on violence" and all that bull, why shouldn't it work again ???

13:01:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157660 << fnargl problem. the soviet politbureau was secure. the usg "feminists" are not.

13:01:39 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:36:59; asciilifeform: it is interesting to contemplate how many of the traditional nato stereotypes of soviet industry were not only false, but apply to nato wholly and not at all to sov

13:03:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116000 @ 0.00035814 = 41.5442 BTC [-] {2}

13:03:56 mircea_popescu: $ curl https://www.blockstream.com/2015/06/08/714/

13:03:57 assbot: Announcing Sidechain Elements: Open source code and developer sidechains for advancing Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBQoUT )

13:03:57 mircea_popescu: curl: (35) Unknown SSL protocol error in connection to www.blockstream.com:443

13:04:01 mircea_popescu: this bodes well for them.

13:04:46 mircea_popescu: but anyway, For additional background on Blockstream?s founding values, read ?Blockstream: A Champion of Bitcoin?s Core Values.? ?! "press@blockstream.com" ?!

13:04:49 mircea_popescu: dudes, lay off seriously.

13:04:54 mircea_popescu: everyone's a perianne boring now ?

13:07:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157762 <<< mmyeah.

13:07:00 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 11:31:45; funkenstein_: looks to me like pure theatre

13:07:45 mircea_popescu: i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.

13:07:57 mircea_popescu: ahh how your blood will flow, old whore.

13:11:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D

13:11:14 assbot: Eurlorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBR8JI )

13:14:20 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157448 <<< no sane orm would do that

13:14:20 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 01:55:55; trinque: most ORMs would load the whole damn row into an "object" whatever that is, load all the objects into a list, then iterate over that duplicated set of data and barf out the aggregate

13:15:17 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure i have seen this

13:16:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157789 << some serious magic!

13:16:15 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 13:11:13; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2015/eurlorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/#selection-99.53-99.69 << how does that look to you ? :D

13:16:22 mircea_popescu: hehehe

13:16:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157765 << that's a z80! not a cdp1802.

13:16:32 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:21:50; mircea_popescu: there existed an "official" one, MMN80CPU and a number of unofficial clones made in small runs and mostly clandestinely. (most of ex-soviet bloc economy in the early 90s consisted of "anyone who is clever enough to use this nobody's fixed capital - welcome to do so for the cost of the consumables")

13:16:35 mircea_popescu: and in the breakfast cereal today, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maz4dlgoVF1r3iafjo1_500.gif

13:16:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHajR )

13:17:00 asciilifeform: -everybody- had a z80.

13:17:04 asciilifeform: i bet zimbabwe had one.

13:17:06 mircea_popescu: oh oh 1802

13:17:15 mircea_popescu: yes, they did, romanian friendship :D

13:17:23 mircea_popescu: ceausescu dude was nuts about africa.

13:17:54 asciilifeform: and cn

13:18:16 asciilifeform: phun phakt: my parents still have chinese towels father bought in ro in '80s

13:18:23 mircea_popescu: lol

13:19:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143800 @ 0.00036461 = 52.4309 BTC [+] {2}

13:19:58 asciilifeform: in other nyooz, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F3345E99D51E56537F74CE146536E40351169B4683A79EE61CC1A5042861E630

13:20:02 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHA9M )

13:20:04 asciilifeform: (where the hell is that ticker?)

13:20:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, i dun think romania actually ever made that.

13:20:41 asciilifeform: 1802?

13:20:47 asciilifeform: i only know of a yugo version

13:20:54 asciilifeform: (and three or four american)

13:21:21 mircea_popescu: yeah memory doth not bring up anything.

13:22:00 mircea_popescu: "Karen Bender" is not a bad name by the way

13:22:23 asciilifeform: 'i am bender, please insert girder' (tm) (r) ('futurama')

13:22:34 mircea_popescu: lol

13:23:00 asciilifeform: https://github.com/asciilifeform/CyEmu/tree/master/emu << my ancient and very bad 1802

13:23:01 assbot: CyEmu/emu at master · asciilifeform/CyEmu · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGHU8y )

13:23:46 asciilifeform: thing was famous for, among other things, 'sex' instruction

13:24:21 BingoBoingo: OMG a self replicating processor?

13:24:30 asciilifeform: l0l

13:24:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no it was morel ike http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb7fz1QLnr1rtxn3oo1_400.gif

13:25:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSGmX )

13:25:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo i think would like this chip

13:25:14 asciilifeform: phun phakt: you can still buy a toy computer with it: http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/memship.html

13:25:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSHap )

13:25:22 asciilifeform: yes, with togglers.

13:25:31 asciilifeform: http://www.retrotechnology.com/memship/mema_2.jpg

13:25:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSKTw )

13:26:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but seriously, "efficiency" aside, i have nfi how one'd program for a processor that allows random switching in and out of the process counter / memory counter etc.

13:26:08 mircea_popescu: imagine a 1802 valgrind

13:26:17 asciilifeform: you do it... with your hands

13:26:34 mircea_popescu: yeah, shiva must be this tall to pass.

13:26:42 asciilifeform: afaik there was never a compiler for it (you could trivially port sdcc etc. but... why)

13:26:53 asciilifeform: shivas only, yes.

13:26:57 mircea_popescu: mel1802

13:26:57 BingoBoingo: I am interested nao. How long until we get a foundry so we can make them fast?

13:27:19 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the reason they're 100 bucks a pop is ~ that nobody wants em

13:27:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: buy a bag of 5,000 FETs. that there's yer phoundry.

13:27:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually there are plenty of folks who want. but they go to 'ebay' or 1,001 other places where they're a buck or so

13:27:57 mircea_popescu: aha.

13:28:27 asciilifeform: sorta like 'pogo'

13:28:39 asciilifeform: in that if you were to wish for a crate of 10,000 in one pop, there would be supply problems.

13:28:42 mircea_popescu: but with less baseline demand

13:30:04 BingoBoingo: Can a bag of FETs make one that's run bitcoind fast?

13:30:14 asciilifeform: thing lasts virtually forever. on account of the chemistry of the process, it laughed at power supply noise that would nuke any other cpu

13:31:25 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fast enough to keep up with blocks? possibly

13:31:37 BingoBoingo: Interesting.

13:31:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd have to bake something which can address >64k though

13:31:50 BingoBoingo: Run bitcoind is the new definition of fast

13:32:23 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it IS pretty much the baseline to distinguish computer from toy.

13:32:37 mircea_popescu: "if it can't sync it can't really be used seriously" makes a whole lotta sense.

13:32:54 asciilifeform: me, i just want something that'd sign a tx, while using no iron made after i was born

13:33:23 mircea_popescu: do you also want something that's warm and slippery while using no cells made after you were born ?

13:33:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 205887 @ 0.00035606 = 73.3081 BTC [-] {3}

13:33:42 asciilifeform: got one of these already

13:34:47 mircea_popescu: cells only last ~7 years you know.

13:34:52 asciilifeform: sure.

13:34:56 asciilifeform: speaking very loosely.

13:35:03 mircea_popescu: if you're speaking that loosely...

13:35:06 mircea_popescu: what are you even saying ?

13:35:26 *: asciilifeform still half asleep

13:35:59 nubbins`: hi

13:36:08 nubbins`: so i finally got my printer straightened out.

13:36:15 asciilifeform: it was bent ?

13:36:20 BingoBoingo: !b 2

13:36:21 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/15HYF6W.txt )

13:36:25 nubbins`: heh. figuratively, yes

13:36:36 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know i left you a ding in the logs while back, you ever got it ?

13:36:40 mircea_popescu: ;;tells

13:36:41 gribble: Error: "tells" is not a valid command.

13:36:43 nubbins`: ah yes the booky-wook

13:36:51 nubbins`: is this a serial we're talking about?

13:37:18 asciilifeform: 'Good luck with that buckeroo. Looking forward to your complete rewrite of the Broadcom NetXtreme II 10/100/Gigabit firmware, by the way. There are about 25 versions of this product, and they have 4-6 MIPS 64-bit cpus running different firmwares on them. Total size, around 260K. It's like a bunch of independent operating systems running on propriety hardware!' << this is endemic and getting worse by the minute

13:37:19 mircea_popescu: i was thinking ima publish episodes on fraudsters an' then the whole thing

13:37:26 jurov: nubbins` did not get it cuz he reads irc out of the printer

13:37:28 nubbins`: ah, an anthology as it were

13:37:33 nubbins`: jurov STFU

13:37:43 nubbins`: go ahead and try to delete a line from my log

13:37:48 nubbins`: you'll need scissors and tape

13:38:07 mircea_popescu: is your log also only made out of paper that was there before you were born ?

13:38:09 BingoBoingo: Or a zippo

13:38:10 jurov: fire will do

13:38:23 BingoBoingo: Or humidity and time

13:38:27 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i order so much paper that the UPS guy is starting to not like me

13:38:55 mircea_popescu: yeah, because that's the monkey logic, "shit, this guy makes it so that i have a job!!1"

13:39:00 nubbins`: anyway. soaked the printhead in ammonia overnight. reassembled everything... it says all 6 cartridges are missing.

13:39:01 mircea_popescu: im so fucking sick of proles.

13:39:03 nubbins`: try this a couple more times.

13:39:11 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i like to pipe logs to thermal printer. (think 'cash register'). astonishingly fire-resistant, but does fade with time

13:39:16 nubbins`: turns out i was popping the fuckin ribbon out of the thing while inserting.

13:39:43 nubbins`: asciilifeform this is still a major use of dot matrix printers

13:39:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is a serious problem with thermal. Twas a pain lighting the losing tickets friday night.

13:39:59 nubbins`: wait now, your thermal paper is fire-resistant?

13:40:00 nubbins`: o.O

13:40:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: un minimo respeto por el trabajador! (TM) (R)

13:40:14 mircea_popescu: fire retarded more like it

13:40:17 nubbins`: ^

13:40:27 nubbins`: funny thing is, i figured it was a lost cause

13:40:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're giving me spots on the spleen.

13:40:28 asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha. very annoying when burning otp

13:40:39 nubbins`: so i bought a replacement printer 30 minutes before i fixed the thing

13:40:44 asciilifeform: (what, not everyone prints one time pads on thermal paper ?)

13:40:52 nubbins`: then shrugged and decided not to cancel the order

13:40:55 nubbins`: because HEY

13:41:02 BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/to-land-syngenta-monsanto-offers-to-change-name-incorporate-in/article_da79bf37-0ccd-5dcd-aeb7-074e1e71fef1.html

13:41:03 assbot: To land Syngenta, Monsanto offers to change name, incorporate in U.K. : Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUo7T )

13:41:03 nubbins`: why run two printers when you can run three?

13:41:03 mircea_popescu: which is good because it won't work anyway.

13:41:11 nubbins`: heh

13:41:18 nubbins`: mp actually these epsons are workhorses

13:41:23 nubbins`: 10/10 would/did buy again

13:41:52 asciilifeform: 'instead of printer, package contained bobcat. a++, would buy again' (tm)

13:41:56 nubbins`: haha

13:42:12 mircea_popescu: "her name was sheila"

13:42:21 mircea_popescu: "she was from odessa"

13:42:27 nubbins`: "but you can call her bob"

13:42:37 nubbins`: "she'll do things to your knob"

13:42:38 asciilifeform: https://xkcd.com/325

13:42:39 assbot: xkcd: A-Minus-Minus ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUBb0 )

13:42:48 asciilifeform: ^ a little different from what i remembered

13:43:16 nubbins`: so were the 80s

13:44:07 nubbins`: also worth noting that a replacement print head was 50% the cost of a new printer

13:44:35 nubbins`: protip: if you can't service your printer yourself, buy a new one when it breaks

13:44:41 asciilifeform: nubbins`: was this that same printer where you ran a hose into the ink tank instead of swapping out cartridges ?

13:44:46 nubbins`: yes sir.

13:45:01 nubbins`: https://www.cobraink.com/CIS/CIS%20kits/1430%20kit/CIS%20Kit%201430.htm

13:45:03 assbot: .:: Cobra Ink Systems::. This is where the term CIS began ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBUQ5U )

13:45:12 nubbins`: ^ the old man who runs this company is a wizard

13:45:23 nubbins`: incredibly boring support videos but he knows the machines inside & out

13:45:35 *: asciilifeform used to do something quite like this with laser printer. it being, drill hole in cartridge, funnel, toner tanks from old xerox in office park dumpsters

13:45:37 asciilifeform: sorta worked

13:45:42 nubbins`: nod

13:45:48 nubbins`: i pay $25usd for 17oz of ink

13:46:13 asciilifeform: but eventually learned 1) toner comes in various granularities 2) is a real bitch to clean up, on account of 3) goes straight through a vacuum cleaner

13:46:57 mircea_popescu: the toner granularities thing is a fine example of biology in business.

13:47:13 mircea_popescu: the granules themselves are more or less engineered to clog competing heads.

13:47:23 asciilifeform: heads?!

13:47:47 asciilifeform: 'toner' in laser printer is pulverized plastic

13:48:12 asciilifeform: it is picked up by a rubber roller and deposited on selenium drum electrostatically

13:48:19 nubbins`: ^

13:48:36 nubbins`: inkjets have heads

13:48:51 nubbins`: and you should print with your printer at least once a week to keep them from drying out

13:48:56 asciilifeform: now, if 'wrong' granule size, or melting point, life of printer owner does become 'interesting'

13:49:17 mircea_popescu: whatever you call them

13:49:25 mircea_popescu: how do you call the "part which does the printing" in a printer ?

13:49:27 *: asciilifeform does not like liquid printers

13:49:54 nubbins`: mircea_popescu depends on the type of printer. in an inkjet it's a printhead

13:49:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the printing per se worked. but sometimes the plastic would come right off the page when you fondled it.

13:50:09 nubbins`: a laser printer is closer to a lithograph than anything else

13:50:26 nubbins`: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sux12zfhww2dyun/TEST-PAGE.svg?dl=0

13:50:29 assbot: Dropbox - TEST-PAGE.svg ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBVu3l )

13:50:55 nubbins`: ^ for a 6-tank printer like mine

13:51:11 nubbins`: asciilifeform my cost per page is prolly lower than yours

13:51:15 nubbins`: altho TBF

13:51:25 nubbins`: inkjets are way, waaaaaaaaaaay slower than laser

13:51:33 nubbins`: and given that i doubt you do much fine art printing...

13:52:17 *: asciilifeform like a fool, picked up a surplus colour laser printer a couplea weeks ago. twentybux or so

13:52:38 asciilifeform: it works, but leads to decadence 'hmm, this code ought to have syntax colouring, let's print that'

13:52:49 nubbins`: heh.

13:53:06 nubbins`: "toner low in following cartridges: C (cyan). Y (yellow). M (magenta)."

13:53:07 asciilifeform: and eventually will have to be thrown out and bought again - who wants to buy four colours of toner

13:53:16 nubbins`: i buy off-brand toner

13:53:20 nubbins`: 123inkcartridges.ca

13:53:33 *: nubbins` also runs two Brother laser printers: one b/w, one colour

13:53:34 asciilifeform: nubbins`: in the colour laser, the expensive proprietary crud is the 'transfer belt'

13:53:45 asciilifeform: for which no chinese version, afaik, exists

13:53:52 nubbins`: is that separate from the drum unit?

13:53:55 asciilifeform: aha

13:54:04 *: nubbins` has replaced 1 drum

13:54:07 asciilifeform: a kind of conveyor, page-width, made from unobtainium

13:54:25 mircea_popescu: it's just plastic!

13:54:34 nubbins`: oh, wait, right

13:54:37 nubbins`: mine's white.

13:54:39 mircea_popescu: :D

13:54:41 nubbins`: runs under all the drums?

13:54:50 asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha

13:54:52 nubbins`: those have a life?!

13:55:01 asciilifeform: nubbins`: turns out, they do.

13:55:06 nubbins`: wow

13:55:07 mircea_popescu: insert girder.

13:55:19 asciilifeform: hence how colour laser printer ends up sold 'per pound' as surplus scrap

13:55:22 *: nubbins` has published novels on his laser printers, no belt replacement

13:55:29 nubbins`: (yet)

13:55:40 asciilifeform: nubbins`: these are found only in colour laser

13:55:56 nubbins`: ah. i've only run maybe 10-15 books through the colour one

13:56:04 asciilifeform: nubbins`: does yours have the evil usg yellow dots ?

13:56:11 nubbins`: i slayed an $80 Brother monochrone laser

13:56:15 nubbins`: asciilifeform no idea / who cares

13:56:18 asciilifeform: http://seeingyellow.com

13:56:19 assbot: Seeing Yellow ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBWbto )

13:56:25 nubbins`: heard of em

13:56:34 nubbins`: but i'd use the epson for copying currency anyway

13:56:39 nubbins`: (hypothetically)

13:56:46 asciilifeform: interesting mainly on account of 'usg gets to slip code blobs into consumer appliances' thing

13:56:58 nubbins`: SWIM hypothetically did this in their youth for a while

13:57:20 asciilifeform: l0l

13:57:55 asciilifeform: medieval counterfeiters, famously, got to drink molten lead (or sometimes, for showmanship, gold...) when caught. modern ones will one day be drowned in buckets of inkjet ?

13:58:02 nubbins`: imagine passing off some of this strange to a cashier, and while you're waiting for your food, guy behind you in line receives some as change

13:58:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116300 @ 0.00035828 = 41.668 BTC [+] {2}

13:58:10 nubbins`: asciilifeform too expensive!

13:58:13 nubbins`: $5-8k/gallon

13:58:23 nubbins`: altho i guess they'd buy the bulk stuff huh.

13:59:38 asciilifeform: speaking of counterfeiters, i once read a fascinating bio paper where folks determined the actual cause of death of 'drink molten lead'

13:59:47 asciilifeform: by testing with cattle carcass

14:00:02 asciilifeform: turned out, it's almost certainly steam inhalation

14:00:09 asciilifeform: (from own flesh boiling)

14:00:27 asciilifeform: there were some good photos of resulting 'castings' also.

14:00:42 asciilifeform: i often wonder if any period 'castings' of this kind have been turned up by archaeologists.

14:01:03 kakobrekla: urlpls

14:01:24 *: asciilifeform unfortunately lacking the link. if anyone turns it up, plz post.

14:02:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157680 << wai wat. which prisoners

14:02:45 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 03:49:45; decimation: the massive antibody response from usg against these escaped prisoners is amusing

14:03:56 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157773 << hey, they did retrofit the price control mechanism (buterin's waterfall) from gold

14:03:56 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 12:59:40; mircea_popescu: amusing how transparent the usg efforts of turning bitcoin into gold are, by the way. "oh, we don't want to kill bitcoin, honest, we just want to make it so we're the only ones that can safely hold it. you know... like gold..."

14:04:18 mircea_popescu: except that only works on idiots.

14:04:27 mircea_popescu: the "you can't hold it" thing works on everyone. huge difference.

14:04:38 mircea_popescu: which is why the incensed bitching.

14:05:09 asciilifeform: the waterfall also works on everyone. but is expensive to maintain, yes

14:06:06 mircea_popescu: no baby, iot does NOPT work on everyone.

14:06:20 mircea_popescu: soros' breaking of the bank of england should be the only example you might ever need.

14:06:28 mircea_popescu: i LOVE!!11 the fact that they're giving me free money this way

14:06:36 mircea_popescu: and i don't care how much of it comes out of the skins of idiots.

14:06:55 mircea_popescu: actually, i hope most of it does, and i hope it comes out of their corneas and their daughter's labia.

14:07:13 asciilifeform: well, on one hand, mircea_popescu gets to pick up cheap coin. but on other, can't buy spare reactor for dirigible for 1 btc

14:07:20 mircea_popescu: there ~IS~ a reason they switched from trying that to trying gavincoin last year.

14:08:45 asciilifeform: in as far as i can surmise, the 'dept. of accumulating btc for the lizard throne' and 'dept. of breaking btc because wtf 111' co-exist

14:09:03 mircea_popescu: now wonder along with me : WHY is it that shithead gavin is SO VERY FIRMLY CONVINCED this must be done "before the end of the year" ? hm ?

14:09:18 mircea_popescu: who and where told them "we're getting wiped, at the most last out another three, maaaaybe six months" ?

14:09:30 asciilifeform: the thing which boggles my mind is, why not yet

14:09:38 mircea_popescu: because reasons.

14:09:42 asciilifeform: what, precisely, keeps the schmuck from twiddling the constant -now-

14:09:57 mircea_popescu: always reasons. the fact that nothing's instantaneous in the physical world is the chief reason there may even be life in the first place.

14:10:04 mircea_popescu: think about a world where interaction were undelayed.

14:10:11 asciilifeform: what, the filipinos have to grunt out precisely 1GB of forum commentz ?

14:10:37 asciilifeform: 'time is for keeping all things from happening at once' (tm) (r)

14:10:46 mircea_popescu: what is it that makes the speed of chemical reaction be the speed of chemical reaction ?

14:10:54 mircea_popescu: what, the electrons have to spin 1billion times ?

14:11:19 asciilifeform: l0l

14:11:30 asciilifeform: (all things have inertial mass, is the proximate cause)

14:11:47 mircea_popescu: not even.

14:12:01 mircea_popescu: inertial mass is, much like the "centrifugal force", a matter of observer observing

14:13:22 asciilifeform: btw i fully expect to see the classical bitcoin net under organized crap flood in near future.

14:13:32 mircea_popescu: as in... last week ?

14:13:32 mircea_popescu: doh.

14:13:37 asciilifeform: (with gavincoin pushes as 'elixir' naturally)

14:13:48 mircea_popescu: kinda why the scoring nodes are important

14:13:53 asciilifeform: why do you suppose i took precious time to run the orphans experiment

14:14:02 mircea_popescu: aha.

14:14:37 nubbins`: how many times have i heard "there are only 6000 nodes"

14:14:45 nubbins`: people are gonna be really surprised some day

14:14:52 mircea_popescu: and the thing that keeps schmuck is, the thing that keeps all schmucks. fear.

14:14:59 asciilifeform: nubbins`: do you recall my experiment where we estimated how many living nodes ?

14:15:09 nubbins`: the experiment but not the results

14:15:17 asciilifeform: results were depressing

14:16:03 nubbins`: <6k

14:16:04 nubbins`: ?

14:16:11 asciilifeform: <60

14:16:15 nubbins`: :o

14:16:20 nubbins`: how'd bitnodes find so many?

14:16:37 asciilifeform: by counting turdation crud as 'node' ?

14:16:41 mircea_popescu: this of course is in the logs

14:17:08 asciilifeform: it is on therealbitcoin ml

14:17:09 mircea_popescu: nubbins` bitnodes is in the business of finding what it wants to find.

14:17:40 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000046.html

14:17:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOz73n )

14:17:49 asciilifeform: and i think we had more on this in log, yes

14:17:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-02-2015#1004253 <

14:17:50 assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 16:17:03; mircea_popescu: and just 60 with 99.9% uptime.

14:17:59 asciilifeform: ^

14:18:58 nubbins`: right yeah

14:18:59 asciilifeform: https://github.com/basil00/PseudoNode << obligatory. also in log

14:19:00 assbot: basil00/PseudoNode · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOzmeO )

14:19:02 nubbins`: i remember being terrified at the time

14:19:10 mircea_popescu: and then you don't remember it going away.

14:19:13 *: nubbins` mumbles something about getting pogos running

14:19:16 mircea_popescu: why did it go away and why don't you remember it ?

14:19:26 mircea_popescu: human physiology, the stuff the memory hole effect's made of.

14:19:32 nubbins`: prolly a combination of poor memory and drug use

14:19:50 mircea_popescu: more like, the brain's not made for thinking anymore than bitnodes' is made to count nodes.

14:19:57 mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.

14:20:07 asciilifeform: incidentally, i assume everyone remembers the usg-sponsored outfit publicly parading their net of sybils (based on 'pseudonode' or something entirely like it. student can write equivalent in an evening)

14:20:31 mircea_popescu: (the incidence of depression among idiots being for this reason the most amusing thing of all! seriously, YOU'RE depressed ? you don't even have enough of a fucking clue to be sad.)

14:20:34 nubbins`: did anyone ever muck about w/ a buildroot toolchain after?

14:20:39 nubbins`: or was i the only one barking up that tree

14:20:50 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158085 << mega-l0l! i think mine was made to feel like shit

14:20:50 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 14:19:57; mircea_popescu: they're both made to make you feel good.

14:20:57 nubbins`: mircea_popescu fwiw smart people do depression way better than idiots.

14:21:01 asciilifeform: so i sorta assumed it was for that.

14:21:03 mircea_popescu: obviously.

14:21:10 mircea_popescu: they actually have a right to it.

14:21:26 mircea_popescu: rather than pretending depression under false pretenses much like "ununderstood" adolescents pretend to be gay.

14:21:27 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have buildroot working to my satisfaction. esp. after davout fixed the bug in mke2fs

14:21:37 asciilifeform: nubbins`: but now we need a fully uclibc-ized bitcoind

14:21:45 nubbins`: that's where i was stuck.

14:21:49 davout: asciilifeform: mazeltov

14:22:02 nubbins`: got buildroot built to my satisfaction, stalled up on actuall compiling bitcoind dependencies

14:22:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, in all that story a release is required.

14:22:18 mircea_popescu: do we yet have something that people can put on pogo and run ?

14:22:21 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the next necessary step is the complete excision of dns from bitcoind

14:22:31 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i've had a statically built bitcoind for months now

14:22:37 nubbins`: i just can't re-create the build ;/

14:22:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins` exactly my point.

14:22:54 asciilifeform: nubbins`: once this is done, it will be theoretically possible to build uclibc-ized bitcoind

14:23:04 asciilifeform: and roll out buildroot+bitcoind buildatron

14:23:13 mircea_popescu: whichd be sweet.

14:23:26 nubbins`: actually, compiling boost w/ the buildroot toolchain is what had me stuck

14:23:29 asciilifeform: i have a months-old patch on the ml, which got lost among the nuts and bolts, that nukes dns seeds

14:23:30 mircea_popescu: pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else.

14:23:35 asciilifeform: but this leaves the idiot 'whatismyip' thing

14:23:45 asciilifeform: and a few other invocations

14:23:49 asciilifeform: these - need to go

14:23:57 nubbins`: i recall the discussion on that

14:24:23 nubbins`: i think we reached an impasse as to what was the proper way to find one's own ip and then other nodes

14:24:33 asciilifeform: nubbins`: there is a fallback in there - irc

14:24:38 nubbins`: right, yeah

14:24:47 nubbins`: imagine

14:24:52 asciilifeform: nubbins`: if we snip out the 'whatismyip' thing, that becomes the one and only turtle on which the elephants stand

14:25:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins` not exactly, config files.

14:25:19 nubbins`: fuck, right, yeah.

14:25:25 asciilifeform: and bitcoind will have to be given either a) own external ip, in config or b) ip of irc net to connect to

14:25:25 mircea_popescu: what sort of remembering is this!

14:25:29 nubbins`: text file sitting in the root dir

14:25:33 *: nubbins` gestures to the drugs

14:25:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is the runner's problem.

14:25:41 mircea_popescu: and it is a correct solution.

14:25:57 mircea_popescu: the approach here is to breach enemy's reliability,

14:26:02 asciilifeform: this is probably when i confess that i have this sitting on my disk already

14:26:02 mircea_popescu: nothing more.

14:26:07 asciilifeform: needs to be cleaned up, tested, posted.

14:26:11 nubbins`: woo

14:26:13 asciilifeform: perhaps - this week's the time.

14:26:21 nubbins`: oh wow, i missed out on the eulora thing

14:26:46 *: asciilifeform actually considered buying a box on which eulora is playable

14:26:49 mircea_popescu: myeah

14:27:01 *: nubbins` does not "game"

14:27:24 mircea_popescu: why not ?

14:27:29 nubbins`: lack of interest

14:27:40 nubbins`: <--filthy casual

14:27:47 nubbins`: i'll kick your ass at mario kart 8 tho

14:27:57 mircea_popescu: i dun think you comprehend how much ass eulora kicks and will kick in the future.

14:28:03 *: asciilifeform bbl

14:28:17 mircea_popescu: but i'll tell you this much : im sick and tired of having to switch games.

14:28:24 mircea_popescu: so im going to make this one work and play it forever.

14:28:36 nubbins`: i've got a vague idea. why else would i take a 25btc stock warrant? ;p

14:29:00 mircea_popescu: lol

14:29:19 nubbins`: valid answers include "that time you used it to earn 1btc on bitbet"

14:29:46 mircea_popescu: haha what was that ?

14:30:08 mircea_popescu: anyway, you missed out a 1337 satoshi/day permabag by not coming to sunday's event.

14:30:17 mircea_popescu: but not to despair - another one this sunday.

14:30:20 nubbins`: https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/

14:30:20 assbot: BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 :: 1.18 B (8%) on Yes, 14.07 B (92%) on No | closed 8 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBkfm )

14:30:24 nubbins`: oh, fun

14:31:51 BingoBoingo: Oh, other people catching on to the gawker model http://www.reaxxion.com/9508/gawker-writers-unionize-in-response-to-gamergates-bloody-nose

14:31:52 assbot: Gawker Writers Unionize In Response To #GamerGate’s Bloody Nose ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOBzH8 )

14:32:04 mircea_popescu: lol

14:36:17 nubbins`: woops

14:36:27 nubbins`: protip: listen when your computer says you're at 5% battery

14:36:36 mircea_popescu: because it usually lies

14:36:38 mircea_popescu: and it's 0.3%

14:36:48 nubbins`: next thing ya know a fan spins up and BAM

14:37:01 nubbins`: but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday

14:39:31 nubbins`: BingoBoingo lel @ gawker and all affiliated sites in general

14:40:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135207 @ 0.00035356 = 47.8038 BTC [-]

14:43:06 nubbins`: from jezebel, for example: "The Katy Perry-Taylor Swift feud is undoubtedly the feud of our century"

14:43:11 nubbins`: undoubtedly.

14:43:27 nubbins`: there can be no doubt that in our century, this feud is number one

14:43:32 mircea_popescu: heh.

14:43:39 mircea_popescu: who are these two incidentally ?

14:43:42 nubbins`: who cares

14:43:44 nubbins`: pop stars

14:44:05 nubbins`: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ruTyZPcP--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1288837417214035347.jpg

14:44:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODFXC )

14:44:14 nubbins`: perry is on the left with the epic troll face

14:44:14 mircea_popescu: http://www.celebjihad.com/celeb-jihad/taylor-swift-showing-off-flexibility-new-nude-photo ?

14:44:15 assbot: Taylor Swift Showing Off Her Flexibility In New Nude Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1FODI5J )

14:50:20 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/century-feud.jpg

14:50:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOEIqG )

14:54:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94800 @ 0.00035912 = 34.0446 BTC [+] {2}

14:59:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117411 @ 0.00036636 = 43.0147 BTC [+] {2}

15:00:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35789 @ 0.00036758 = 13.1553 BTC [+]

15:03:13 mircea_popescu: !gettrust heysteve

15:03:16 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user heysteve: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=heysteve | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/heysteve/

15:04:44 ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> but anyway. maybe i'll get a chance to compile eulora on osx by sunday << if you figure out how lmk, i failed to do so miserably

15:09:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167900 @ 0.00035302 = 59.2721 BTC [-] {4}

15:16:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49850 @ 0.00036805 = 18.3473 BTC [+] {2}

15:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 192500 @ 0.00035087 = 67.5425 BTC [-] {3}

15:33:33 punkman: new ups lasted a whole hour, impressed

15:34:04 mircea_popescu: o.O

15:35:17 punkman: I shut down the monitors and went for a walk after 10-15min, so it was mostly just idle computar

15:58:42 pete_dushenski: qntsideration incoming !

15:59:15 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/00W44M1.txt

15:59:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZoqmi )

15:59:16 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:01:39 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla http://dpaste.com/0VY2ECF.txt

16:01:40 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZoKBB )

16:01:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:02:38 pete_dushenski: "Sex-Kitten.Net has been around nearly a decade, in one form or another. It was begun by me, Gracie Passette, as a place for women, by women, about women ~ not only to discuss sex, but certainly not avoiding it."

16:03:03 pete_dushenski: some spamsite via a contravex commenter.

16:04:15 pete_dushenski: "but certainly not avoiding the subject of sex even though no one said we were and even though that's the point of my derpy little spamblog !"

16:06:42 pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/a/SKPmk << amazing the dedication of these kidz.

16:06:42 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:06:43 assbot: Huge crowd F1 Grand Prix Bitcoin booth - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWxP5N )

16:06:50 pete_dushenski: they just won't give up !

16:07:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309835 @ 0.0003543 = 109.7745 BTC [+] {4}

16:07:29 pete_dushenski: i was in montreal for the gp last year and they were doing the exact same shtick

16:08:00 pete_dushenski: i would've bet a buck they'd have packed up and given up on their "komoonity centre" thing

16:08:08 pete_dushenski: guess it still has legs.

16:08:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115315 @ 0.0003418 = 39.4147 BTC [-] {3}

16:08:14 pete_dushenski: whaddya know.

16:10:36 pete_dushenski: "Reigning world champion Hamilton finished 2.2 seconds clear of Rosberg at the end of 70 relatively-uneventful laps around Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve" << missed this over the weekend, i guess.

16:11:59 pete_dushenski: last year's race was comparatively showy : massive crash on last lap, 1st win for non-mercedes car as red bull's ricciardo took the chequered flag

16:12:16 pete_dushenski: this year i really can't be bothered to watch f1

16:12:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82122 @ 0.00037137 = 30.4976 BTC [+] {2}

16:12:30 pete_dushenski: it's almost entirely lost its appeal

16:22:53 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> pingin' ben_vulpes along with erryone else. << getting gentoo boxen for uclibc and cross-compilation's knocked mod6 and i on our asses

16:23:08 ben_vulpes: well, me for certain.

16:23:58 ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field

16:24:31 ben_vulpes: went to get a garbagebox from freegeek.org yesterday - "tuesday through saturday"

16:24:51 ascii_field: wats that

16:25:14 ben_vulpes: local sommolier

16:25:24 ascii_field: bought anything ?

16:25:28 ben_vulpes: shit-melier

16:25:39 ben_vulpes: trinque reported two thinkpads i wanted to acquire

16:28:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7525 @ 0.0003654 = 2.7496 BTC [-]

16:28:38 ben_vulpes: might be able to acquire a tower or something with an i5 to play eulora

16:28:55 *: ben_vulpes is rebuilding eulora from scratch. again.

16:30:56 ben_vulpes: unrelated: on the quakers, consensus and 'activism' in america: http://berkeleyjournal.org/2015/05/the-theology-of-consensus/

16:30:58 assbot: The Theology of Consensus | Berkeley Journal of Sociology ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZrZcf )

16:32:06 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/p7YVzlU.jpg

16:32:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZs7IJ )

16:32:42 ascii_field: ^ re: uranium mine

16:33:29 ascii_field: and yes, those are imperial 2.54mm headers soldered to metric 2mm dip

16:33:34 ben_vulpes: "The process favored those with the most time, as meetings tended to drag out for hours" "Some called it “feminist process,” for it seemed to embody feminist ideals of participation, inclusion, and egalitarianism. " << some derps sit around and derp while other people are making decisions and setting the wheels in motion. is it any wonder that the kochs always win and occupy always loses?

16:33:59 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: did you perchance ever go to 'occupy' ?

16:34:02 *: ascii_field did, and saw this alive

16:34:18 ascii_field: they would hold their circlejerk meetings and literally pause 'waiting for a female voice'

16:34:48 danielpbarron: i saw it in NYC on one of my field trips to see the marathon

16:35:07 ben_vulpes: neat pickaxe, ascii_field

16:35:18 danielpbarron: saw their human megaphone a.k.a. cultish chanting

16:35:27 ascii_field: 'mic check'

16:35:31 danielpbarron: yes that

16:35:34 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: did indeed!

16:35:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the choice as to whether to sit by the pool and look pretty / sit by the oak desk and look stern was always open to everyone.

16:36:11 mircea_popescu: tis what it is.

16:36:14 ben_vulpes: was particularly amused that the one part of the park that worked - eg infrastructure team - partook of no such nonsense. had leadership that delegated.

16:37:00 ben_vulpes: evaporated quickly, though. nobody likes working for ungrateful derps - not even commie engineers.

16:38:34 mircea_popescu: soo... i just got an email from Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

16:39:23 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski if your kids need mavis beacon, something's gone horribly wrong

16:39:24 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:39:25 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: usg-themed spam is sop for years now

16:39:38 ascii_field: but usually it's tax-flavoured

16:39:41 mircea_popescu: ikr ?

16:39:49 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol i don't disagree !

16:39:58 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/fbi.png

16:39:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZsXoN )

16:40:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my guess it that it is mostly targeted at idiot expats. actual u.s. inmates know well that usg has not invented email yet.

16:40:24 mircea_popescu: heh

16:40:50 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: let's start a school

16:41:02 pete_dushenski: i'm in.

16:41:17 pete_dushenski: 1. teachers can physically discipline students

16:41:29 pete_dushenski: 2. students will learn to type on physical keyboards

16:41:37 pete_dushenski: 3. no touchscreens allowed on the premises

16:41:53 mircea_popescu: not swearing won't get you to heaven pete_dushenski

16:41:56 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: realize that this is not unlike the 'everyone will learn to write' thing from back in the day

16:42:01 pete_dushenski: 4. sexual education is to be taught in praxis, not just theory

16:42:02 ben_vulpes: teachers'll have to order parents to do so, as the thing of necessity'll have to run over teh wotnet

16:42:34 mircea_popescu: now that's an idea.

16:42:50 pete_dushenski: i'm not done...

16:43:08 pete_dushenski: 5. students will learn to think, then learn the alphabet, then learn to read

16:44:08 ben_vulpes: i also suspect that the initial stable of teachers will actually be the parents. nobody else is going to give a shit and la serenissima runs on deficits anyways.

16:44:13 mircea_popescu: "students will learn to fly then grow the wings most adequate to their preferred flight style"

16:44:18 ascii_field: ^^^^

16:44:19 mircea_popescu: "which will forthwith change as a result"

16:44:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes more importantly : why would you as a kid take a beating from someone you're not a in a sexual relationship with

16:44:58 pete_dushenski: 6. those not academically inclined will be pruned from academic studies at age 13 to pursue technical professions

16:45:02 mircea_popescu: romans had forbidden slaves (ie, teachers, more broadly, bureaucrats) beating their kids as a cornerstone of civility.

16:45:15 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski what if they become inclined at 19 ?

16:45:22 jurov: how is this determined at 13?

16:45:40 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: then self-teach ? go back to school ?

16:45:50 pete_dushenski: jurov: tests.

16:45:55 mircea_popescu: what if they go back to school with a chip on their shoulder

16:45:59 mircea_popescu: and set your entire world ablaze ?

16:46:11 ben_vulpes: not a bad outcome.

16:46:20 mircea_popescu: the focus of this process should not be satisfaction of the designer

16:46:31 mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.

16:46:40 jurov: there are tests for that?

16:46:40 mircea_popescu: shit on the powerless, that's what they're there for.

16:47:11 pete_dushenski: jurov: why not ?

16:47:20 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: how is "rightly" determined ?

16:47:26 mircea_popescu: why not is not a permissible question in this context.

16:47:33 mircea_popescu: rightly is determined by that they put your world ablaze.

16:47:41 jurov: pete_dushenski: because human mind?

16:48:12 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: visit jp, ru, cn, or - hell - us for that matter, to see how the 'tests' thing works out

16:48:15 ascii_field: in practice.

16:48:33 trinque: the right kids will want to learn

16:48:37 mircea_popescu: the concept of performance tests is not unlike the concept of postcard tourism.

16:48:44 trinque: I tend to think you have to beat that out of the intelligent if it's absent

16:48:46 mircea_popescu: "i've visited all the places my friends sent me cards from"

16:48:48 pete_dushenski: tests can be interviews, written exams, theatre performances...

16:48:49 trinque: and the wrong ones shouldn't be in the school

16:49:39 mircea_popescu: the only half decent approximation of a test would be, "either you go to school where each day for a year contains a beating, or else we kill you in six years".

16:49:56 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: try to grasp that 'perform on schedule' selects for certain kinds of human, not necessarily the ones you like.

16:50:05 mircea_popescu: kids can opt whether to die young and leave a beautiful corpse much before any serious effort was spent on them

16:50:38 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i'm perfectly aware. i wasn't the cram-exam type myself !

16:51:04 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids can opt this for themselves ? not too young ?

16:51:07 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you're approximately describing 19th c. ru military academy. except there you get beatings + death in six years

16:51:20 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski apparently they're not too young to live and breathe.

16:51:32 pete_dushenski: neither is 1-day-old

16:51:36 mircea_popescu: quite.

16:51:44 mircea_popescu: the notion that there's insulation from choice...

16:51:58 mircea_popescu: some kids decide to grow spina bifida, how are you gonna help them improve their choices ?

16:52:20 pete_dushenski: with tests !

16:52:23 mircea_popescu: o i know, put folic acid in everyone' flour

16:52:25 mircea_popescu: and tests

16:52:26 mircea_popescu: yes yes.

16:52:31 ascii_field: it boggles my mind to see folks arguing for -more- perform-on-schedule-like-dancing-bear in child-herding

16:53:02 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem of child-herding, so far unresolved, is that women care too much and men don't understand wtf is in the box.

16:53:03 ben_vulpes: eh give him a break - the canuks get all their ideas from their southern protector

16:53:33 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lol not true ! i read books and things too.

16:53:35 ascii_field: we already know the kind of people 'star pupils' grow up to be

16:53:37 mircea_popescu: so all that can conceivably be done is protection and tests.

16:54:01 pete_dushenski: actually reading ascii_field recommended "chinese examination" book atm.

16:54:22 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: concert pianists ?

16:54:23 mircea_popescu: ascii_field re the perform on call thing : it definitely selects for the sort of woman you like.

16:54:29 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: aha. see also mircea_popescu's essay on 'grinding men into spherical ball bearings'

16:54:42 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: this is an excellent point.

16:55:22 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

16:55:29 pete_dushenski: damn it, just when we're getting rolling, meatspace beckons. later y'all !

16:56:29 *: pete_dushenski looks forward to suggestions for "ben+pete's magickal skool for kidz who can mebbe not suck" in the logs

16:57:19 trinque: give 'em things to build that don't suck.

16:57:30 trinque: and force them to interact with people who are intimidatingly accomplished

16:57:37 ben_vulpes: make 'em do math and physics by hand and computer

16:57:39 trinque: and boot everyone that after that still sucks.

16:57:53 ben_vulpes: latin, french

16:58:17 ben_vulpes: read the bible three times, numbers in particular.

16:58:48 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: pretty much everyone i know who's worth talking to became the way he is -in spite of-, rather than with the aid of, school.

16:59:08 mircea_popescu: ascii_field school certainly aided me.

16:59:44 ascii_field: how ?

16:59:55 ben_vulpes: 'tisn't so much school, ascii_field, as a hedge against further retardifying the spawn

17:00:14 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes, they teach ya green's theorem, etc.

17:00:21 ascii_field: but could also learn this from book

17:00:26 mircea_popescu: by consistently sucking my cock throughout my formative years

17:00:32 ascii_field: l0l

17:00:39 ascii_field: 'the microscope aided me. best hammer.'

17:00:39 mircea_popescu: and then supplying a ready stable of eager sluts to get the ball started

17:01:00 mircea_popescu: hey, what can i tell ya.

17:01:05 mircea_popescu: it didn't come with instructions on the box.

17:02:11 ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << mega-lulziez

17:02:14 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )

17:02:40 mircea_popescu: mateirosca.com << win

17:11:21 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins` didja ever get past the eulora new account screen?

17:11:22 gribble: The operation succeeded.

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17:22:01 ascii_field: '(dev-lang/perl-5.20.2:0/5.20::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) conflicts with ...' followed by ten pages of barf

17:22:11 *: ascii_field wants to roast someone, slowly

17:23:04 jurov: yea i remember that, they reorganized it

17:23:14 ascii_field: i'd like to reorganize their insides.

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17:24:41 jurov: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1010432-start-25-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html

17:24:44 assbot: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Slot conflict dev-lang/perl-5.20.1-r4 and dev-lang/perl-5.18 ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWJ1zl )

17:24:57 jurov: generally, perl-cleaner

17:25:25 ascii_field: tried that

17:26:22 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:26:29 ascii_field: 'Why is Perl so F***ing special that it gets its own utility for un-f***ing it every time I need to update my system? Why does gentoo use perl at all for anything? In my sight its a disgusting useless barnacle of a write only language and this dependency stuff just makes me not want to touch it, ever, if I did suffer from temporary dementia and considered using it in one of my projects. We don't need a python-cleaner or

17:26:30 ascii_field: C++-cleaner.'

17:26:34 ascii_field: (from forum)

17:27:55 mircea_popescu: we don't need a c++ cleanner ?

17:28:03 mircea_popescu: how long have i been asleep ?

17:28:31 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cpp doesn't exist, to a first approximation, on a well-maintained unix box

17:28:40 ascii_field: bitcoind is the thorn in everybody's side in this respect

17:29:26 mircea_popescu: oh ok. so i didn't hallucinate valgrind igperf etcv

17:29:34 mircea_popescu: got worried for a minute there

17:29:57 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'cleaner' in question was a util that is meant to clean up the explosion of blood and guts which results in perl upgrading on a gentoo box

17:30:08 ascii_field: and the crud built with previous versions dying en masse

17:30:26 mircea_popescu: unlike the profilers.

17:31:30 ascii_field: not really related except in the sense that the hose in a mortician's workshop is related to surgeon's endoscope

17:35:18 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: btw i regard valgrind, igprof, etc. as 'c cleaners' rather than cpp. they only kinda, sorta work on cpp

17:35:38 mircea_popescu: because it never happened that if one "upgrades" suddenly c++ code stops working

17:35:39 ascii_field: cpp is really a 'crime against nature' to the extent that nothing really can process the barf it produces

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17:38:53 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the directly analogous c/cpp item you were likely thinking of is (on gentoo) 'revdep-rebuild'

17:42:43 jurov: and there is python-updater

17:42:57 jurov: (better named)

17:43:02 jurov: and haskell-updater, too

17:43:18 ascii_field: ^ especially lulzy

17:45:24 ben_vulpes: cabal install cabal-install

17:46:09 mod6: heh, i built valgrind on deb6 lastnight as well. didn't work with bitcoind either statically built, or dynamically. might have to give this a try tonight on the gentoo aws instance.

17:46:14 *: ben_vulpes tried haskell once, irreperably borked the install, never touched it again. will never trust its advocates claims re: "bug free cuz static static really static awesome type system ftw"

17:46:51 ben_vulpes: but i suppose that i just don't understand how the (c, unix, haskell, programmering) world actually works

17:47:14 trinque: jurov: I've totally fucked up my python install several times on gentoo, having to re-emerge python-exec, wtf ever that is

17:47:49 trinque: gentoo has this crazy indirection between the various python versions (is I suspect the culprit, don't care enough to delve futher)

17:48:28 jurov: yeah, since you're supposed to have 2 versions plus pypy plus whatnot working alongside something is bound to break

17:48:51 ben_vulpes: just say no to python 3

17:49:22 trinque: PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" # ftw

17:49:56 jurov: i'm fine with py3k, if you get acclimatized it's actually easy to write stuff compatible with both

17:50:59 jurov: but i'm software maggot, can eat anything

17:52:27 trinque: heh

17:52:48 trinque: yeah, I suppose you can write against that six module right?

17:53:18 *: trinque is bailing from python as he can find excuse to

17:53:18 jurov: agains what?

17:53:48 trinque: jurov: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/six

17:53:49 assbot: six 1.9.0 : Python Package Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1KngqKL )

17:54:20 jurov: oh, that. no, not needed it yet

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18:26:39 danielpbarron: >> #534 in queue. << archive.is is getting spammed now?

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19:41:12 shinohai: Meth, hell of a drug: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/330c0u/bailey_jay_is_le_proof_inside_woops_i_made_a/

19:41:13 assbot: bailey jay is LE (proof inside woops i made a bailey jay blog post) : DarkNetMarkets ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6F8Yw )

20:02:09 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i am unsurprised.

20:02:54 mircea_popescu: except i just tried it and it went straight in

20:03:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97300 @ 0.00036782 = 35.7889 BTC [+]

20:07:33 mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/guccifer-letter-01.htm << fwiw, the style of that production is exactly the "pov derpage" fashionable among the unemployed writers/table waiters of the day, whereas linguistic profile radically unbefitting a 40yo unemployed cab driver in bucharest

20:07:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZvejX )

20:07:36 mircea_popescu: but what do i know.

20:11:33 mats: http://i.imgur.com/Fvj8erB.png

20:11:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6HnLv )

20:12:06 mats: oops, wrong one https://twitter.com/afreak/status/608321989900648448

20:12:26 mats: DMCA flags on... an iframe.

20:14:53 mircea_popescu: looks like airtel didn't want the news of their fraud public ?

20:15:47 mats: yes

20:18:29 mats: that letter is difficult to read

20:19:29 mats: so much pretension

20:20:09 mircea_popescu: http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/no-lands-man-or-how-not-to-do-an-election/ << more of the same, if you care.

20:20:13 assbot: No Land’s Man or How Not to Do an Election | ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnwhsD )

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20:32:33 mircea_popescu: !up goregrind

20:34:07 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:34:12 ascii_field: mats: https://archive.today/DVUie/005600bd57722743501a43c767b6ef8aadc48535.png << saved

20:34:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxCzw )

20:34:15 ascii_field: http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/more-trouble-for-airtel-injects-javascript-code-to-monitor-data-usage-activist-receives-notice-270111.html << details of the dmca barratry

20:34:16 assbot: More trouble for Airtel: Injects JavaScript code to monitor data usage; activist receives notice - Tech2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnxAaV )

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20:40:48 mircea_popescu: http://www.mateirosca.com/prose/the-medianett-saga-adventures-in-mercenary-churnalism/ << and here's a (very naive) story from the agitprop mines

20:40:51 assbot: The Medianett saga: adventures in mercenary churnalism | ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnyhRz )

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21:04:26 *: lobbes is new to this cron job stuff.. surprised to find the -only- way to see errors is to email them to yourself (i.e cannot write to local log)?

21:04:27 lobbes: seems... dumb

21:04:59 trinque: lobbes: logs to syslog

21:05:15 trinque: I guess depending on the cron jobber; there are quite a few of them

21:05:22 lobbes: hmm that may be it

21:05:43 lobbes: checked syslog, but the error prompted me to install an MTA

21:05:57 lobbes: no specifics on the actual error.

21:06:07 *: lobbes shrug

21:06:07 trinque: lobbes: could've just been that the thing had output, not necessarily an error

21:06:13 trinque: and then blew up trying to tell ya

21:06:26 fluffypony: lobbes

21:06:39 fluffypony: you can just have a cronjob that does something like

21:07:39 fluffypony: command --flag --flag2 --blah blah@blah 2> /var/log/yourlogfile.log

21:07:41 fluffypony: or whatever

21:07:49 trinque: yup that too

21:07:49 fluffypony: the 2> will pipe both STDOUT and STDERR

21:07:55 lobbes: aha

21:08:01 lobbes: interesting

21:08:07 fluffypony: I normally pipe STDERR to /dev/null because I don't need no steenking errors

21:08:16 fluffypony: and then get very frustrated when shit isn't working and I can't debug it

21:08:17 fluffypony: because logic

21:08:23 lobbes: haha

21:08:26 mircea_popescu: i heard this before

21:08:48 trinque: thought 2 was stderr only

21:09:02 fluffypony: trinque: depends on shell and OS

21:09:04 trinque: ah, k

21:09:12 fluffypony: I think on OS X / FreeBSD you need 2&1>

21:09:20 trinque: that's what I was thinking of, yep

21:09:32 trinque: 2>&1 > /your/thing.log

21:09:46 trinque: redirects stderr to stdout, then stdout to the log

21:10:35 lobbes: sweet though, this gives me stuff to work with. thanks everyone

21:11:10 lobbes: I always overlook the power of piping

21:11:27 mircea_popescu: it's so great it's easy to overlook

21:11:55 trinque: I used /dev/tcp magic making that gentoo image for mod6 the other day

21:12:07 trinque: pretty neat

21:33:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44007 @ 0.00037118 = 16.3345 BTC [-] {2}

21:56:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49714 @ 0.00037646 = 18.7153 BTC [+]

22:06:38 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kjkkMxn51rtlyn9o1_500.gif

22:06:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QmsKQf )

22:11:51 *: shinohai saves mircea_popescu 's image for FapBot

22:12:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19230 @ 0.00035885 = 6.9007 BTC [-]

22:38:38 shinohai: OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! http://redd.it/39694x

22:38:40 assbot: WTF MultiBit HD? Why I have to pay a fee to you? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YgQa )

22:39:34 ben_vulpes: old story, shinohai

22:39:56 shinohai: It stiil boggles my mind whenever I see it.

22:47:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80934 @ 0.0003551 = 28.7397 BTC [-] {2}

22:48:42 mats: https://soundcloud.com/futureclassic/panama-jungle

22:48:43 assbot: Panama - Jungle by future classic | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9YQO3 )

22:58:15 mircea_popescu: !up copumpkin

22:58:19 mircea_popescu: !up copypaste

23:07:49 mats: http://saw.galois.com

23:07:51 assbot: SAW ... ( http://bit.ly/1cKh334 )

23:08:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235794 @ 0.00035178 = 82.9476 BTC [-] {2}

23:11:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60706 @ 0.00034472 = 20.9266 BTC [-]

23:14:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131539 @ 0.00037064 = 48.7536 BTC [+] {2}

23:14:40 mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper

23:20:23 mats: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sIYgqrytPK-CFWfqDntraA_Fwi2Ov-YBgMtl5hdrYd4 << 'Escaping VMWare Workstation Through COM1'

23:20:25 assbot: Escaping VMware Workstation through COM1 - Google Docs ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDoibD )

23:22:31 mircea_popescu: !up GcardBTC

23:28:23 GcardBTC: I have some amazon giftcard for sale. Accepting crypto. Send me an email and we can work something out.

23:28:55 asciilifeform: mats: iirc that is one of the lulzfarms that attempts to fuck with bitcoin net for usg

23:29:09 asciilifeform: mats: and 'formally proven' properties of generic c - what a lol

23:29:20 mats: yup

23:29:27 mats: exactly that galois

23:29:47 asciilifeform: i forget if this was public or not

23:29:49 asciilifeform: guess it is now.

23:31:13 asciilifeform: 'vprintproxy.exe is launched on the Host by vmware-vmx.exe as whichever user started VMware. vmware-vmx.exe and vprintproxy.exe communicate through named pipes. When writing to COM1 in the Guest, the packets will eventually end up in vprintproxy.exe for processing.' <<<< run moar winblows!! (tm)

23:31:56 asciilifeform: 'The program performs unsafe 32-bit arithmetic, leading to an invalid size check prior to a memcpy() operation, leading to a heap overflow.' << can we plz haz shitgnomes playing 'underhanded c contest' prior to employment? these old idiocies are getting - well - old.

23:32:44 asciilifeform: 'When extracting a TrueType font from the EMFSPOOL file, TPView.dll will verify the checksum of the font prior to further processing. To do so, it will walk the tables, zero out the padding at the end of a table and checksum the table. In doing so, it will trust the ?offset? field of the table record and add it to a pointer to the font buffer. While there is a check to make sure that we don?t go past the end of the font,

23:32:44 asciilifeform: nothing prevents us from referencing and zeroing memory prior to the font, as the 32-bit arithmetic will wrap.' << ditto

23:33:17 asciilifeform: 'Also the JPEG2000 parsing is done within a try-catch that catches all exception. This would allow an attacker to bruteforce his/her way to successful exploitation as the vprintproxy.exe would stay alive even through access violations.' << ahahahahaha.

23:33:21 asciilifeform: yeah 'bug' sure.

23:33:24 asciilifeform: 'cosmic rays' did this.

23:33:25 scoopbot_revived: Exodus from Wall Street: HSBC lays off 50,000 employees http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-wall-street-hsbc-lays-off-50000-employees/

23:33:57 asciilifeform: 'Identified mitigations. Load your Nagant, place in mouth, pull trigger.'

23:34:03 asciilifeform: ^ not in document, but suggested fix.

23:34:58 mats: lol

23:36:17 jurov: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/dangerous-minds-are-maths-teachers-australias-newest-threat-20150608-ghira9

23:36:20 assbot: Dangerous minds: Are maths teachers Australia's newest threat? ... ( http://bit.ly/1JDr3tB )

23:36:58 jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."

23:37:05 mats: fun fact: You can resolve kernel module addresses on Windows by looking at the session image list, which is linked to from a fixed VA.

23:39:30 pete_dushenski: how is it that block 360213 was mined before 360212 ?

23:40:02 punkman: timestamps can be wrong

23:40:24 pete_dushenski: ah, just rough approximations then ?

23:40:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00034369 = 56.8807 BTC [-]

23:40:46 pete_dushenski: 2 minutes seemed like a large gap.

23:40:52 punkman: yeah block number is where it's at

23:41:01 trinque: jurov: totalitarians going for broke eh?

23:41:19 pete_dushenski: punkman makes sense.

23:41:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00035012 = 11.0638 BTC [+]

23:54:16 BingoBoingo: <shinohai> OMG we have TO PAY FOR NICE THINGS! << The last sorta decent Multibit happened between 0.5.11 and 0.5.13

23:55:45 shinohai: I don't personally use it, I just love those posts where they bitch about paying for things.

23:56:44 trinque: shinohai: the internet is free comrade.

23:57:25 shinohai: Free sure, but if I tell that to my ISP they likely will disconnect my service. xD

23:57:58 shinohai: There *is* good free stuff online, I just don't expect it all to be free.

23:58:34 trinque: nah, none of it should be free

23:59:33 trinque: largest machine on earth if you consider it as such... and people think it should cost nothing