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00:00:12 BingoBoingo: chatroulette was basically just dicks

00:00:13 indiancandy1: no

00:00:16 ThickAsThieves: the site everyone visits once

00:00:31 indiancandy1: chatroulete now has a verification method so not many people use it

00:00:48 indiancandy1: you have to register with ur cell phone number and they send u a code on sms and

00:00:53 mircea_popescu: lol know your masturbator us congress legislation ?

00:01:04 indiancandy1: thats how you enter its to keep the pedos out

00:01:12 mircea_popescu: uh

00:01:18 mircea_popescu: pedos can't get cellphones ?

00:01:26 indiancandy1: they was a overflow of pedofiles lurking for lil girls

00:01:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: use cell, leave gps ping.

00:02:10 indiancandy1: there was a big ring of pedofiles on there

00:02:12 mircea_popescu: now that's a disruptive service someone should do. decentralize sms identification.

00:02:15 mircea_popescu: like tor, but for sms.

00:02:24 asciilifeform: (technically not simply gps, but tower triangulation on top)

00:02:41 BingoBoingo: I thought most cellphones did a mix of the two

00:02:47 indiancandy1: well then f you get in trouble ad u call the cops and they need 2 find u how wil they find u

00:02:48 asciilifeform: aye

00:02:53 indiancandy1: its good and bad

00:03:19 asciilifeform: all current cell chipsets use gps+tower

00:03:24 BingoBoingo: I thought if you got into trouble you called the Bondsman because the cops were there

00:03:41 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/08/dollar-backed-digital-currency-aims-to-fix-bitcoins-volatility-dilemma/

00:03:41 assbot: Dollar-Backed Digital Currency Aims to Fix Bitcoins Volatility Dilemma - MoneyBeat - WSJ

00:03:53 ThickAsThieves: brought to you by Brock Pierce

00:03:57 indiancandy1: i mean like if a girls being raped or something then it comes handy

00:04:12 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> I thought if you got into trouble you called the Bondsman because the cops were there << not everyone is from chicago.

00:04:19 indiancandy1: lol

00:04:22 BingoBoingo: You still call the Bondsman, because they actually "solve the problem"

00:04:24 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that guy really gets things.

00:04:25 mircea_popescu: up his ass.

00:04:54 ThickAsThieves: Realcoin

00:04:58 ThickAsThieves: lel

00:04:59 asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.

00:05:12 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3CN496W.txt )

00:05:12 BingoBoingo: !b 1

00:05:16 ThickAsThieves: "Founded by Brock Pierce, a former Disney child actor who is now a prolific bitcoin investor" ouch

00:05:32 indiancandy1: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/06/rolling-coal-photos-video_n_5561477.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

00:05:32 assbot: Political Protest Or Just Blowing Smoke? Anti-Environmentalists Are Now 'Rolling Coal'

00:05:36 punkman: "the first dollar-backed digital currency"

00:05:52 ThickAsThieves: and biggest!

00:06:06 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves notice that's sorta started to go away ?

00:06:21 ThickAsThieves: "Realcoin will use a Bitcoin 2.0 software protocol known as Mastercoin" the pain!

00:06:43 punkman: it's not even dollars, "To ensure realcoins retain their value at one dollar, the firm will maintain a real-time record of its dollar-based reserves, all held in conservative investments"

00:07:06 indiancandy1: so do you think i should invest in btc

00:07:09 ThickAsThieves: "Asked about such a reaction, Realcoin founder Mr. Pierce said, “I’m not selling any of my bitcoins. "

00:07:20 ThickAsThieves: these people

00:07:36 ThickAsThieves: no one told them the onion was a joke?

00:08:50 indiancandy1: it gets me angry that i dont understand what ur talking about but i think

00:09:01 indiancandy1: im addicted to this place i have no reason to be here so why am i here

00:09:03 mircea_popescu: bitcoin 2.0 protocol mastercoin ?!


00:09:08 mircea_popescu: someone got indigestion.

00:09:43 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 well, you've found the real world and now are trying to convince yourself you don't have to change to adapt to it.

00:10:32 Duffer1: it's worth your time to hang around

00:11:10 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/00Y5Y1V.txt )

00:11:10 BingoBoingo: !b 5

00:12:59 Duffer1: !up indiancandy1

00:14:43 decimation: re: "anti-environmentalists" << a true anti-environmentalist would construct a chumpatron to bleed environmentalist chumps

00:15:22 decimation: i.e. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways

00:15:22 assbot: Solar Roadways | Indiegogo

00:15:46 asciilifeform: decimation: this is SOP already

00:15:55 asciilifeform: solar farms, windmills, etc.

00:16:02 asciilifeform: and anything else with -EV

00:16:22 decimation: "imma make you environmental technology, email me monies"

00:16:32 indiancandy1: duffer its worth my time

00:16:33 indiancandy1: ?

00:16:47 decimation: I suspect it's quite simple to recruit a staff of chumps to maintain the public propaganda machine too

00:16:49 indiancandy1: okay well wil someone atleast teach me so i understand

00:18:39 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 what part don't you understand ?

00:18:41 decimation: In case no one has seen: http://qz.com/231178/the-tragic-explosive-crash-of-a-stolen-tesla/ << some dumbfuck stole a tesla model S, rammed a pole at ~100 mph, cut the car in half; it caught fire

00:18:43 assbot: The tragic, explosive crash of a stolen Tesla – Quartz

00:19:07 mircea_popescu: wow.

00:20:32 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: Right now is the time for lingering reading and asking questions, understanding come later.

00:21:17 asciilifeform: countdown to the 'remote disable switch' advocates pushing their shit...

00:21:25 danielpbarron: !up colinistheman

00:21:38 colinistheman: Hi guys. I was invited to this chat. I posted the bitcointalk forum thread on Sonny Vleisides (BFL CEO)

00:21:53 mircea_popescu: hey there!

00:21:58 mircea_popescu: you did a nice job.

00:22:21 indiancandy1: omg

00:22:28 indiancandy1: i nearly had a heart attack

00:22:30 colinistheman: Thank you mircea_popescu

00:22:36 colinistheman: I got your message in that chat log

00:22:37 BingoBoingo: Hey colinistheman that was me sent the message. Love your BFL thread.

00:22:41 indiancandy1: my name is sofia vasiliadis

00:22:44 mircea_popescu: colinistheman what do you do for a living ?

00:22:48 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 no wai ?

00:22:51 indiancandy1: and i just scan read what colin said

00:22:56 indiancandy1: and i thought he said my name

00:22:57 indiancandy1: ahahh

00:23:00 mircea_popescu: that's some scammer guy named vleisides

00:23:01 indiancandy1: my heart sunk

00:23:15 colinistheman: I'm glad you found it helpful. I did too. A lot of good information in that court transcript.

00:23:27 colinistheman: I realized a lot of people wouldn't read through to find the best parts

00:24:38 colinistheman: mircea_popescu: By the way if you, or others want to join the class action lawsuit, it is here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners

00:24:39 assbot: Butterfly Labs and BF Labs, Inc. Bitcoin Miners | Wood Law Firm

00:24:52 colinistheman: There are about 50 people already in on it

00:24:55 BingoBoingo: Well, mircea_popescu and kakobrekla 's BitBet was especially injurious to BFL last year

00:24:56 colinistheman: I am spreading the word

00:25:00 mircea_popescu: colinistheman http://fraudsters.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/ wink

00:25:01 assbot: Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:25:16 BingoBoingo: ;;google BitBet BFL to deliver by February

00:25:18 gribble: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B ...: http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/; Vote: Do you think Butterfly Labs will deliver their ASICs this ...: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141538.0; BitBet, November 2013 Statement pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea ...: http://fraudsters.com/bitbet- (1 more message)

00:25:25 BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/

00:25:25 assbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 1 year 4 months ago

00:26:34 colinistheman: A BFL court case in Italy that went to the supreme court? very nice

00:26:37 colinistheman: I haven't heard of that one

00:27:42 mircea_popescu: only tangentially related to bfl, via the sonny bo\y.

00:27:45 colinistheman: mircea_popescu: to answer your question, I run www.knives4bitcoin.com

00:27:55 mircea_popescu: colinistheman get in the wot will you ?

00:28:08 colinistheman: i see

00:28:20 colinistheman: Oh, you wrote that :)

00:28:52 mircea_popescu: hm, who's into knives ?

00:29:03 colinistheman: a lot of people apparently

00:29:03 asciilifeform: re: bfl - the sad part is that the entire mining industry, afaik, is based on exactly this kind of chumpatron. and if outright take-money-and-run merits two years of parole, what does, e.g. six month deliberate 'we mine with your hardware' merit? harsh words?

00:29:05 colinistheman: Did you join in the woods law firm court case?

00:29:38 colinistheman: Actually I do not believe they are mining with our hardware. I have been following fairly closely on what is going on

00:29:46 colinistheman: It's very bad management and underfunded development

00:29:53 colinistheman: that's the out-ethics behind the scenes which is making everything late

00:29:58 colinistheman: the court case statements back that up

00:30:00 mircea_popescu: colinistheman things change over time

00:30:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14702 @ 0.00078407 = 11.5274 BTC [+]

00:30:10 mircea_popescu: bfl has been a foundation backed sore eye for bitcoin since 2012

00:30:13 colinistheman: Perhaps in the past they mined with the hardware though

00:30:15 colinistheman: I would believe it

00:30:24 colinistheman: yes, BFL is the ASIC equivalent of MT GOX

00:30:35 colinistheman: it needs to be eliminated

00:30:43 asciilifeform: 'limited' scam always metastatizes into full blown scam.

00:30:48 mircea_popescu: so practically, get in the wot so i can gift someone a knife.

00:30:59 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> wow. /// simple GS strat, spend $120k on a Tesla, short TSLA, crash it. Works every time!

00:31:07 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves konspiraci ?

00:31:21 ThickAsThieves: i was counting on it!

00:31:49 BingoBoingo: Knives are cool.

00:32:03 colinistheman: I don't sell the BTC either. It's kept in BTC form

00:32:06 ThickAsThieves: but really there were 2 crashes and the other had most of a family die i think

00:32:09 colinistheman: unlike most bitpay merchants

00:32:34 colinistheman: I'm reading your article. Very interesting

00:32:42 ThickAsThieves: a plastic surgeon rear-ended a toyota

00:33:09 colinistheman: mircea_popescu: You had stated that my summary was useful. I'm very glad. May I ask how it assisted you?

00:33:45 mircea_popescu: colinistheman me personally it did not, i have people whose job it is to do these things. your summary however was quite close to mine, which is the mark of achievement.

00:34:31 BingoBoingo: colinistheman: I found a broken link http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/colt_knives_pocket_knife_titanium_420hc_high_carbon_ct341_camping_fishing_hunter.php

00:34:32 assbot: KnivesAndKnifeMaking.com - Colt Knives Pocket Knife Titanium 420HC High Carbon CT341 Camping Fishing Hunter

00:34:32 colinistheman: Most excellent. Yeah, I'm fairly literate and have a few brain cells to knock together

00:34:53 colinistheman: Thank you I will have to fix that ASAP

00:35:02 BingoBoingo: Hmmm... None of your product page links seem to be working for me...

00:35:02 ThickAsThieves: mp's plot to hide the andreas murder weapon

00:35:09 mircea_popescu: http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/ << this is kinda lulzy

00:35:10 assbot: Index of /products

00:35:26 mircea_popescu: they all seem broken ?

00:35:56 ThickAsThieves: doesnt work for me much

00:37:07 ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate

00:37:08 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 16871343199.9 based on data since last change | 17660844532.9 based on data for last three days

00:37:32 colinistheman: Oh wow, they're temporarily down. I re-upped the site recently.

00:37:49 mircea_popescu: !up site

00:37:54 colinistheman: try now

00:37:57 colinistheman: I think I just fixed up

00:37:59 colinistheman: *it

00:38:31 colinistheman: One missing file can cause a lot of probs :)

00:39:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo would you like one ?

00:39:22 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure

00:39:24 mircea_popescu: fluffypony how about i gift you a knife ?

00:39:28 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pick something

00:39:56 kakobrekla: you kill babies with this ? http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/5-14in_knife_making_blade_mini_hunter_blank_custom_game_hunting_blanks_knives.php

00:39:58 assbot: Knives4Bitcoin.com - 5-1/4in Knife Making Blade Mini Hunter Blank Custom Game Hunting Blanks Knives

00:40:32 BingoBoingo: I'm really liking this. http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/colt_knives_pocket_knife_titanium_420hc_high_carbon_ct341_camping_fishing_hunter.php

00:40:32 assbot: Knives4Bitcoin.com - Colt Knives Pocket Knife Titanium 420HC High Carbon CT341 Camping Fishing Hunter

00:40:44 cazalla: indiancandy1: i would bet sexysaffron would do 100 times better than you on mfc

00:40:46 mircea_popescu: colinistheman how come everything's 5 bitcents ?!

00:41:32 colinistheman: I just have it round to the nearest 2 decimal places for sake of neatness

00:41:35 mircea_popescu: for that matter, bitpay says "If it seems like there should be something here, please let us know by contacting our support team."

00:41:37 colinistheman: otherwise it looks like a huge big number

00:41:45 kakobrekla: because they are all sized for keychains

00:41:46 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do you like knives ?

00:42:04 kakobrekla: nah not really.

00:42:29 colinistheman: You can sort by price and see items which are more than 5 bit cents. Back to reading the article

00:42:33 colinistheman: beep me if needed

00:43:23 asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1

00:44:03 kakobrekla: i have a few of those swiss army knifes i got as gifts and they satisfy all my cutting needs

00:44:10 mircea_popescu: cazalla who're you gonna bet against lol.

00:44:20 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lmao

00:44:24 indiancandy1: please dont bet me

00:44:26 indiancandy1: coz

00:44:30 indiancandy1: i do pretty well on mfc

00:44:42 indiancandy1: im better looking

00:45:11 asciilifeform: mfc << microshit foundation class?!

00:45:39 punkman: cam contest?

00:46:09 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

00:46:14 dub: i cut stuff

00:46:48 indiancandy1: it just craches on me

00:46:49 indiancandy1: :(

00:46:52 indiancandy1: crashed

00:46:57 mircea_popescu: dub ya but you're a global warming alarmist

00:47:03 indiancandy1: unless she goes further then me i dont use toys

00:47:07 cazalla: indiancandy1: looks don't have much to do with mfc imo

00:47:07 indiancandy1: and hardly show pussy either

00:47:10 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 im sure she does anything.

00:47:26 colinistheman: By the way, this may interest you, mircea_popescu. I posted the following information on BFL's forum and it got deleted. It was a detailed recording of a series of events in the Monarch production timeline. This post got deleted from their forums but I kept a backup because I knew it would. Then I was banned from the forums after providing a lawyer link to every member on BFL forums.

00:47:28 colinistheman: http://knives4bitcoin.com/BFL_Late_Monarch_and_How_to_Handle_it._Josh,_as_COO,_I_request_your_reply_to_this.htm

00:47:31 assbot: BFL Late Monarch and How to Handle it. Josh, as COO, I request your reply to this.

00:47:31 indiancandy1: im anti sex toys

00:47:52 mircea_popescu: colinistheman maybe time to make a blog ?

00:48:08 mircea_popescu: or maybe join an existing one. possibly mike_c may want a hard hitting research editor for btcalpha

00:48:13 colinistheman: It's a good idea but I don't have the time. I managed to scrap together these few things.

00:48:27 colinistheman: I think there would be a good market for a promoted domain and blog for BFL fraud info though.

00:48:49 mircea_popescu: use it or lose it.

00:48:52 kakobrekla: who are you trying to save?

00:48:58 colinistheman: jesus

00:49:13 kakobrekla: jesus has been saved already.

00:49:22 colinistheman: oh, then bfl customers

00:49:32 mike_c: if you do want a blog platform I'd be happy to post things for you on btcalpha with appropriate attribution.

00:49:32 kakobrekla: right.

00:49:41 BingoBoingo: No, Jesus died to save, but if you save Jesus... it would really mess with the Xtians

00:49:45 kakobrekla: you can rape them with evidence, they dont budge.

00:49:57 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla fudster.

00:50:02 kakobrekla: i meant saved as in ctrl-s

00:50:07 colinistheman: True, but it increases awareness like my bitcointalk thread post did. it got over 2000 views in 5 hours

00:50:21 colinistheman: And I bet I got a lot more people to join the class action lawsuit

00:50:24 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can't help but remember orlov's point about the deer hunt

00:50:30 colinistheman: so I am pleased with that increased awareness and action

00:50:59 asciilifeform: '?we need a word that describes the artifacts generated in response to irrational actors who demand to be fooled. As the old saying goes, ?A fool and his money are soon parted? ? at the fool?s own insistence, no less! If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term we use to describe

00:50:59 asciilifeform: proper works of evil. If the victim, at the sight of the economic predator, goes into doggie submission, we must stop discussing the phenomenon in terms of conflict and consider whether what we are observing might be some strange instance of symbiosis.'

00:51:12 kakobrekla: well, colinistheman , deer cant read.

00:51:18 cazalla: indiancandy1: if you are more attractive than sexysaffron, you'd make more money on mfc if you copied her enthusiasm

00:51:19 colinistheman: deer bought asics?

00:51:33 BingoBoingo: !up colinistheman

00:51:41 colinistheman: thx

00:51:48 colinistheman: why it demotes my talking ability lol

00:51:58 kakobrekla: you are not worthy yet.

00:51:58 mircea_popescu: because you're not in the wot

00:52:06 mircea_popescu: the wotrty.

00:52:08 colinistheman: Oh, i'm learning fast though

00:52:18 colinistheman: my wottiness is increasing

00:52:30 kakobrekla: so, hows the deer?

00:52:33 mircea_popescu: lol how do you figure ?

00:53:19 colinistheman: because I'm pretty badass. The wottiness is inherent really

00:53:30 mircea_popescu: o.O

00:53:39 mircea_popescu: this is without a doubt the weirdest reaction to a wot mention.

00:53:46 kakobrekla: !drown colinistheman

00:53:53 mircea_popescu: lol

00:53:57 colinistheman: Are you a writer or journalist?

00:54:20 mircea_popescu: kako ? he's just a cookie monster.

00:54:21 indiancandy1: enthusiasm for?

00:54:24 colinistheman: you

00:54:30 indiancandy1: what using sex toys

00:54:33 mircea_popescu: O.o

00:54:44 mircea_popescu: colinistheman im bitcoin's only actual billionaire.

00:54:52 TheNewDeal: satoshi?

00:55:03 kakobrekla: satoshi lost the keys.

00:55:04 colinistheman: 2nd billiionare i suppose then

00:55:09 mircea_popescu: well satoshi is virtual :D

00:55:20 colinistheman: have you bought bfl hardware?

00:55:26 mircea_popescu: nope.

00:55:43 cazalla: indiancandy1: to please

00:55:51 colinistheman: good job

00:56:01 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 the world belongs to the eager&willing

00:56:24 mircea_popescu: colinistheman there';s a whole world of scams i didn't buy into. but anyway.

00:56:29 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust kakobrekla

00:56:30 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 50 via 29 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011

00:56:37 mircea_popescu: that's the wot. bitcoin's web of trust

00:56:56 mircea_popescu: until you register with gribble you won't be getting any.

00:57:18 colinistheman: That's good. In bitcoin scams are ripe for the picking

00:57:46 indiancandy1: but im saying u no sex toys stretch out ur pussy and im not into having a lose pussy for money

00:57:52 indiancandy1: i would everrrr trade that

00:57:54 indiancandy1: its all about tight

00:57:55 colinistheman: Is this your site: http://mpex.co/

00:57:56 assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

00:58:51 mircea_popescu: yes.

00:59:07 colinistheman: cool

00:59:07 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 they come in sizes no ?

00:59:44 indiancandy1: i dont like the idea of rapeing myself

00:59:49 indiancandy1: id rather wank to be fair

00:59:53 indiancandy1: but not in public

00:59:54 indiancandy1: im 2 shy

00:59:55 colinistheman: to be a bitcoin billionaire, one would require over 1.6 million btc

01:00:20 colinistheman: That is more than satoshi owns, no?

01:00:34 mircea_popescu: colinistheman well at some point btc was 1.2k

01:00:41 colinistheman: ah, i see

01:00:49 colinistheman: well then it would be about 800,000 btc+

01:01:00 mircea_popescu: something like tha

01:01:14 colinistheman: that's kind of like the emperor of bitcoin status

01:01:44 mircea_popescu: mostly paper anyway.

01:01:45 kakobrekla: dun worry its all virtual!

01:01:48 *: kakobrekla runs

01:01:58 colinistheman: yeah, paper wallets.

01:01:58 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla your running is too slo :D

01:02:11 asciilifeform: colinistheman: interesting site. what does one sharpen a titanium knife with ?

01:02:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuntanium. obviously.

01:02:22 mircea_popescu: DOH

01:02:24 colinistheman: a regular sharpening stone

01:02:27 colinistheman: fine grit

01:02:42 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo picked anything yet ?

01:03:05 *: asciilifeform looks for unobtainium blade

01:03:12 colinistheman: lol

01:03:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think I'm going with http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/boker_trapper_pocket_knife.php

01:03:27 assbot: Knives4Bitcoin.com - Boker Trapper Pocket Knife

01:03:38 mircea_popescu: cool.

01:03:43 *: asciilifeform remembers the japanese folktale of 'the wooden wakizashi'

01:03:52 colinistheman: I've got 6 of those behind me lol

01:03:56 colinistheman: (the boker trapper)

01:04:02 mircea_popescu: paging fluffypony. hey f, lay off teh womenz and irc more!

01:04:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't recall that one ?

01:04:17 asciilifeform: goes something like this. one samurai had the misfortune of breaking his wakizashi (short sword - 'sidearm.') but he was a cheapskate.

01:04:22 asciilifeform: replaced the blade with a wooden one.

01:04:26 asciilifeform: 'no one will notice.'

01:04:29 mircea_popescu: lol

01:04:33 asciilifeform: a year passes; two

01:04:44 asciilifeform: then comes the time when he is ordered to perform seppuku.

01:04:49 TheNewDeal: lol

01:04:53 asciilifeform: and all he's got - is a wooden knife.

01:05:43 BingoBoingo: Seppuku by splinter?

01:05:55 BingoBoingo: !up ericmuyser

01:05:59 colinistheman: From what I gather, sonny vleisides, carried on the scam of his father. Your article seems to touch upon this. "I came to know my real father only as an adult. So when I got the opportunity to know him better, I was eager and curious. His name was James Ray Houston:

01:06:13 asciilifeform: he seppukued.

01:06:19 asciilifeform: but it was more of a bitch than usual.

01:06:24 asciilifeform: lesson - don't be an arse.

01:06:46 colinistheman: Yeah he is dead now

01:07:18 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/riverwalk-a-proper-one/

01:07:23 colinistheman: I used to blame BFL_Josh for the poor show at BFL. Well, I still do. But Sonny is the kingpin behind the scenes. That's the real meat and potatoes crime boss

01:08:07 mircea_popescu: well yes.

01:08:13 mircea_popescu: josh is just some derp

01:08:19 mircea_popescu: an offensive derp, but nonetheless.

01:08:22 colinistheman: josh is sonny's goon

01:08:37 colinistheman: every crime boss has their henchmen

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01:09:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'la rumana' << is that a shitter?

01:09:36 mircea_popescu: yeah

01:09:42 asciilifeform: lol!

01:09:55 mircea_popescu: :p

01:10:13 colinistheman: Thank you for also spreading the word on BFL. I will continue to do what I can and I'm glad it helped in any way.

01:10:29 colinistheman: It was good to talk to you all but I will be on my way now. Good day to you gentlemen. And don't forget your arsenal of knives :P

01:10:40 colinistheman: http://www.knives4bitcoin.com !

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01:10:47 colinistheman: nice to meet you mircea.

01:11:39 indiancandy1: mircdea u have al that money shouldnt u be living in a exotic island

01:11:44 indiancandy1: with a bag of bitches

01:11:47 mircea_popescu: lol the dude just left ?!

01:11:51 mircea_popescu: what silliness is this!

01:11:59 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 who's to say i'm not ?

01:12:11 indiancandy1: oh mircea

01:12:12 indiancandy1: btw

01:12:20 indiancandy1: are you watching the argentina game?

01:12:21 BingoBoingo: Islands suck.

01:12:39 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i watched the last 5 minutes of germany-brazil by accident

01:12:44 mircea_popescu: sat down in a cafe

01:12:44 BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: He can hear it and surmise how it is going

01:12:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no actually they're not screaming atm

01:13:01 mircea_popescu: isn't argentina tomorrow ?

01:13:05 BingoBoingo: Yeah

01:13:05 TheNewDeal: yes it is

01:13:18 TheNewDeal: don't you have a decent bet on argentina ?

01:13:21 indiancandy1: im so happy germany won

01:13:22 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And you know that because people are doing their jobs atm

01:13:54 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal sure. gotta support the team

01:14:00 indiancandy1: do u speak spanish mircea

01:14:32 mircea_popescu: yep

01:14:36 TheNewDeal: haha you want to bet but aren't interested in watching the game?

01:14:41 cazalla: indiancandy1: do you like Germans? my oma met the fuhrer

01:14:46 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal the fuck do i care.

01:15:02 TheNewDeal: enough to bet?

01:15:16 kakobrekla: enough to win, dude.

01:16:24 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i didn't actually watch the tennis chick either

01:16:42 mircea_popescu: happened on a rerun, also in some cafe, also last 15 minutes or so.

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01:17:01 BingoBoingo: I rarely watch events I bet on

01:17:08 BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1

01:17:26 TheNewDeal: even if it's difficulty :D?

01:17:30 indiancandy1: i like germans

01:17:49 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Difficulty isn't as lucrative as betting against Serena Williams

01:17:54 indiancandy1: i prefer greeks though

01:17:59 mircea_popescu: hard to not watch difficulty.

01:18:44 indiancandy1: serena williams is a champ

01:19:08 BingoBoingo: Serena Williams loses with great predictability

01:19:17 mircea_popescu: that'd have been a sad typo

01:19:32 TheNewDeal: I was freaking out today. Just bet against the top scorer last night, then some mexican dude whips out his phone today at work and was telling me germany had 9 goals

01:19:47 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal lmao i can see tha

01:20:04 cazalla: lol

01:20:17 BingoBoingo: Anytime the Decimal odds on Serena Williams opponent pays under 10, Serena doesn't win. You can turn 0.1 BTC into 1 BTC that way with decent regularity.

01:20:21 TheNewDeal: not sure if he didn't know the english word for siete

01:20:22 mircea_popescu: "omfg someone got 4 ?"

01:20:35 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal no they had more but annulled.

01:20:41 TheNewDeal: whaaaaat

01:20:47 mircea_popescu: yup

01:21:11 mircea_popescu: they raped that team

01:21:22 mircea_popescu: i don't even think this happened before, in a wc match

01:21:23 TheNewDeal: ridiculous

01:21:43 TheNewDeal: he showed me a brief clip of a brazilian person in tears

01:21:45 TheNewDeal: it was hilarious

01:21:49 mircea_popescu: if messi fals into an elevator hatch

01:21:56 mircea_popescu: it's gonna be 25-0 for germany

01:22:02 TheNewDeal: ahhaha

01:22:03 mircea_popescu: the problem of mono teams.

01:22:57 BingoBoingo: I hope for an Argentina Germany final where the only players to survive the jerkoff pregame festivities are Messi and Klose

01:23:02 TheNewDeal: if you can make it that far, it doesn't really matter

01:24:01 cazalla: it'll go to a shootout where messi misses and germany wins

01:24:18 TheNewDeal: ill bet you on that

01:24:19 TheNewDeal: ;)

01:24:38 cazalla: what odds

01:24:58 cazalla: on just a shootout

01:25:00 decimation: asciilifeform: you can watch the loud australian guy teardown an $18k 20ghz spectrum analyzer made by agilent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QBFIfKlvHU

01:25:00 assbot: EEVblog #470 - Agilent N9344C 20GHz Spectrum Analyser Teardown - YouTube

01:25:28 decimation: the us still makes very high quality stuff, you just have to pay golden toliet prices to get it

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01:28:52 mircea_popescu: decimation lmao guy wants to play with spring

01:29:44 mircea_popescu: wtf, not turned on ?

01:29:54 mircea_popescu: how do i know it's the actual thing if he doesn';t sample anything with it first ?

01:30:49 decimation: heh that's a good point

01:32:43 mircea_popescu: embeded windows ?!

01:33:11 mircea_popescu: this guy isn't very smart is he.

01:33:53 decimation: heh well it's actually a fair guess for agilent

01:34:07 decimation: they are famous for making $20k test equipment that runs windows xp

01:35:00 mircea_popescu: the smart comment was re "some processors or something but we don't care about that"

01:35:20 mircea_popescu: what interests him are the fully machined aluminum blocks.

01:35:21 mircea_popescu: i mean...

01:35:28 decimation: heh yeah for him the computer is the uninteresting part, he cares about the rf parts hehe

01:35:29 decimation: yeah

01:35:42 decimation: I think his past experience was as a pcb designer

01:35:53 decimation: so that's what he focuses on, the board construction

01:36:43 mircea_popescu: yeah i see it.

01:37:34 decimation: there are some interesting design choices (some he points out, some he doesn't). as ascii would say, figuring out the details is an excercise for the alert reader

01:38:32 mircea_popescu: yea im watching it

01:38:59 mircea_popescu: why don't they have insulant between the two modules is beyond me.

01:39:07 decimation: 3e8 m/s / 20 GHz = 15 mm wavelength at 20 Ghz - that's why you see all the esoteric shielding

01:39:11 mircea_popescu: air is dielectric, ok, but wouldn't some paste fare better ?

01:40:00 indiancandy1: mircea im in love with you

01:40:06 indiancandy1: becuase your so bizare

01:40:13 indiancandy1: i think your related to vladmire

01:40:32 mircea_popescu: how am i bizarre!

01:40:32 TheNewDeal: but he only impales women

01:40:43 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal what's an asshole in the dark.

01:40:49 TheNewDeal: lol

01:41:14 decimation: the system is complex, it needs to separate the RF portion from the computer portion, and also conduct heat. I suspect compromises were made between the competing priorities

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01:42:02 indiancandy1: do you not think you are?

01:42:03 mircea_popescu: decimation hence the paste comment

01:42:08 mircea_popescu: air odesn't conduct.

01:42:19 indiancandy1: mircea do you eat alot of garlic

01:42:24 mircea_popescu: i do actually.

01:42:30 indiancandy1: i knew it

01:43:33 mircea_popescu: smells that bad eh ?

01:43:44 asciilifeform: decimation: i 'tore down' a $300k robot. big whoop.

01:44:02 asciilifeform: decimation: if you can reassemble the thing later, it's like it never happened.

01:44:19 mircea_popescu: i tore down a trabant engine

01:44:32 decimation: yeah, I can reasonably guaruntee that for 20 GHz equipment, it's not like it never happened (for this guy)

01:44:44 mircea_popescu: exactly

01:44:55 decimation: he does point out "well it will probably have to be recalibrated"

01:45:02 mircea_popescu: tightly packed handled mass produced electronics like these...

01:45:03 asciilifeform: decimation: shield design, note, is quite like mine. (and everyone else's!) i'd love to have the machined aluminum cavity, though. but cost.

01:45:17 decimation: heh yeah that's what I was thinking.

01:45:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform our pricepoint is not 30k

01:45:40 asciilifeform: haha yeah

01:45:44 mircea_popescu: something tells me that if it were, you';d bitch about machined silver

01:46:13 decimation: if you want quality that's what you pay

01:46:32 decimation: you can probably buy a "spectrum analyzer" for $1k new

01:46:58 asciilifeform: decimation: my chicom dirtscope has one built in. but, have to understand limits of the instrument.

01:47:03 asciilifeform: (whether 200 or 200k)

01:47:09 indiancandy1: romanians love garlic

01:47:17 indiancandy1: there is a restaurant in harlesden

01:47:35 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

01:47:37 decimation: these guys will make you machined aluminium: http://www.ponoko.com/make-and-sell/materials/ponoko-united-states?kind=Metal&mode=materials

01:47:39 assbot: Ponoko - United States - Materials Catalog - Ponoko

01:47:41 indiancandy1: a romanian one and all there food is garlicy when u sweat does it smell like garlic?

01:47:41 decimation: from 40 mil sheets

01:47:44 mircea_popescu: i mostly eat it with italian food.

01:47:56 asciilifeform: decimation: i bet the thing still uses staggered (out of phase) multiple ADC, though

01:48:00 indiancandy1: do you cook?

01:48:05 asciilifeform: afaik nobody makes a 20GHz adc.

01:48:22 decimation: oh I doubt it's 20 ghz instantaneous bandwidth

01:48:34 decimation: it probably has a ~100 mhz swept receiver

01:48:42 mircea_popescu: yes i cook.

01:48:48 asciilifeform: and i should add that 18k usd is cheap for a laboratory instrument.

01:48:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this looks like a field instrument.

01:49:03 asciilifeform: a miserable little spectrophotometer (every bio lab on the planet) runs about 50k.

01:49:38 decimation: yeah this is one of those portable deals. You can give agilent at least 2-3x that for a high quality lab grade spectrum analyzer

01:49:46 mircea_popescu: brb

01:50:15 decimation: asciilifeform - but to your point about bio stuff - that's probably why agilent is keeping the agilent name for the bio side of the new company

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01:50:32 asciilifeform: agilent is just the old hp instrument division, spun off

01:50:42 decimation: I know, but they are going to spinoff again

01:50:56 decimation: "keysight technologies" will be the name of the new test&measurement division

01:51:10 decimation: "agilent" is going to go to the bio-bezzle company

01:52:25 decimation: in a proper technology company you would keep your high-end engineers busy building esoteric stuff, while their knowledge & expertise trickles down to other areas

01:52:34 asciilifeform: also note that the machined cavity is SOP in military electronics

01:53:01 decimation: pretty much anything miniaturized & high spec RF

01:54:01 decimation: http://www.agilent.com/about/companyinfo/company-separation.html

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01:54:42 decimation: I wish I had access to a high spec metal mill

01:55:03 asciilifeform: i see nothing in there that couldn't be milled on an ordinary desktop cnc machine.

01:55:54 BingoBoingo: Fuck cnc. If you can't mill it with a Bastard File it isn't worth it.

01:56:17 dignork: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPyE29ABmoA

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01:56:21 decimation: I guess it depends which bit you used

01:56:47 asciilifeform: gotta love the 'bodge wire' (patch.) ~25 min. in film.

01:57:01 indiancandy1: when are you going 2 cook for me mircia

01:57:07 indiancandy1: im coming over to ur house

01:57:17 decimation: ascii did you use your laser cutter to make solder masks?

01:57:41 asciilifeform: decimation: nope. pcb made at actual factory.

01:58:04 decimation: like the plastic that you put over the board so you can apply the solder paste?

01:58:27 asciilifeform: decimation: at present time, i apply the paste with a pump. tried plastic templates (laser cut), wasn't satisfied.

01:58:42 asciilifeform: my tube (40 watt) won't cut steel.

01:59:24 decimation: yeah I guess a proper solder template is made of metal

01:59:53 asciilifeform: decimation: not only this - but you need a fairly costly 'printing press' to apply the paste evenly through the gasket.

02:00:13 decimation: on the youtubes people just use a squeegie

02:00:21 decimation: it looks half-ass though

02:01:27 decimation: actually the best solution is probably a wave-soldering machine

02:01:39 asciilifeform: for smt?!

02:01:58 decimation: I think you typically glue the components down first

02:02:11 asciilifeform: good recipe for failure

02:02:19 asciilifeform: tension on the pads

02:02:29 decimation: yeah I guess if they aren't tight you are going to get alot of cold joints

02:02:41 asciilifeform: you get parts that fall off x years later.

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02:04:42 decimation: heh yeah the a/d converter next to the 'bodge wires' is only 40 MHz 12-bit

02:04:54 asciilifeform: decimation: same as on my chinese scope!

02:05:26 decimation: heh yeah, most of what you pay for is in the tracking oscillator

02:06:27 asciilifeform: student project idea

02:06:35 asciilifeform: take the agilent scope, and fly it to north korea

02:06:40 asciilifeform: see if it boots up after.

02:07:22 decimation: heh you mean the gps?

02:07:24 decimation: would be amusing

02:08:28 decimation: you don't have to go to north korea: can simulate gps signal: http://www.labsat.co.uk/index.php/en/

02:08:29 assbot: LabSat - GPS Simulator, GPS Signal Generator

02:08:37 asciilifeform: doesn't have to be gps proper.

02:08:58 asciilifeform: there are other ways to figure out that you're 'far from kansas.'

02:11:41 decimation: what's interesting is how modular and easy to take apart this agilent device is

02:12:06 decimation: it would be fairly straightforward to disassemble & repair, unlike macbook air for example

02:12:15 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i see nothing in there that couldn't be milled on an ordinary desktop cnc machine. << this.

02:12:27 mircea_popescu: unless you're making rifles or something, you don't need it.

02:12:56 asciilifeform: pashtuns make perfectly normal kalash with hand file

02:12:59 asciilifeform: like BingoBoingo.

02:13:03 decimation: or titanium knives

02:13:20 asciilifeform: but go make the die for shells with file.

02:13:49 mircea_popescu: <decimation> heh yeah the a/d converter next to the 'bodge wires' is only 40 MHz 12-bit << wtf. so 20ghz is a scam ?

02:14:02 asciilifeform: same 'scam' as my 100mhz scope

02:14:13 asciilifeform: take N independent adc, and stagger the sampling phases

02:14:13 mircea_popescu: but they claim to be differen

02:14:18 mircea_popescu: which'd be the scam.

02:14:25 mircea_popescu: what, they use 500 of the things ?!

02:14:28 asciilifeform: lower noise, cleaner stagger.

02:14:31 mircea_popescu: nowai.

02:15:06 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> but go make the die for shells with file. << women, diamond dust, fingers.

02:15:20 mircea_popescu: look at some of the examples of ancient gemcutting, you'll be impressed.

02:15:28 asciilifeform: gem cutters cheat

02:15:32 decimation: it's not really an oscilloscope, doesn't need to have 20 ghz of bandwidth

02:15:38 asciilifeform: because crystals cleave on symmetry plane.

02:15:46 mircea_popescu: !up felipelalli

02:15:54 decimation: it makes an image of the spectrum, sampled over a period of time

02:16:05 decimation: typically you sweep from low to high frequencies of interest

02:16:10 mircea_popescu: decimation i thought the claim was 20ghz of bw

02:16:19 mircea_popescu: maybe im confused.

02:16:21 decimation: nah, not instantaneous

02:16:28 asciilifeform: 20ghz is easy. 20ghz where you aren't simply picking up harmonics from your own logic - hard.

02:16:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amorpous metal will process similarly, just takes longer

02:17:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: women, wire, electrolyte. electrolytic deposition - with pencil!

02:17:23 decimation: yeah that's why all the shielding (preventing logic spurious signals)

02:18:21 asciilifeform: note (e.g. at 47 minutes) the pcb-as-passive-component trick

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02:20:11 mike_c: looks like its breakeven so far!

02:21:04 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Close to, but...

02:22:00 asciilifeform: http://youtu.be/1QBFIfKlvHU?t=49m56s << artist!

02:22:00 assbot: EEVblog #470 - Agilent N9344C 20GHz Spectrum Analyser Teardown - YouTube

02:22:10 mircea_popescu: mike_c losing all our monyz

02:22:29 decimation: hehe yeah those "pcb waveguide" filters are awesome

02:22:40 decimation: agilent still has a few "greybeards" who know RF

02:22:57 mike_c: nah, i seeded with MPIF funds :D

02:22:58 asciilifeform: decimation: not necessarily. usually these patterns are crapped out by software.

02:23:03 decimation: plus vast sums invested in engineering simulation software

02:23:05 decimation: yeah hehe

02:23:57 decimation: I think agilent makes "genesis" which does exactly this

02:24:13 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's up like 0.001

02:24:27 mircea_popescu: aok

02:25:23 BingoBoingo: For now

02:26:11 decimation: the max "resolution bandwidth" for the device is only 3 MHz, that's the width of its filter as it tracks over 20 GHz

02:29:02 mircea_popescu: micro sd slot ?

02:29:38 decimation: re: pashtun kalashnikovs : http://www.isegoria.net/2011/02/obsolete-weapons/

02:29:39 assbot: Obsolete Weapons « Isegoria

02:29:55 decimation: the sd slot is probably to store pretty pictures of the spectrum you capture

02:30:33 mircea_popescu: so "attention to detail" agilent is full of random wires lol

02:31:00 asciilifeform: doubt the bodges are in the analogue nets

02:31:04 mircea_popescu: decimation since not populated nor intended to open i imagined it's factory diagnosis ?

02:31:28 asciilifeform: likely contents of sd: fpga bitstreams

02:31:30 asciilifeform: (firmware)

02:31:34 decimation: yeah I just saw what you were talking about, the one in the middle of the board is to load new firmware

02:31:34 decimation: yeah

02:31:58 decimation: that way they don't have to slow down assembly line with firmware burner

02:32:10 decimation: plus it is simple to field upgrade

02:32:34 mircea_popescu: makes sense

02:32:42 *: mircea_popescu has learned a lot this past half hour

02:33:12 decimation: yeah this video is unusally good for this guy, usually he just rambles at the camera for an hour rather than showing the goods

02:33:21 asciilifeform: serious lab instruments usually look quite like this on inside.

02:33:34 asciilifeform: it is only a surprise to folks who were never left alone with them

02:33:43 asciilifeform: (and screwdriver)

02:34:08 decimation: computers could be built this way, if people were willing to pay for it

02:34:34 asciilifeform: were, in fact.

02:34:35 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Minuteman_guidance_computer_(1).jpg

02:34:41 asciilifeform: ^ first 'computer' my university got.

02:35:15 mircea_popescu: ceramic composite gasket ?

02:35:32 decimation: heh yeah that's the autonetics deal

02:35:38 asciilifeform: notice exactly same style of machined cavity, gasket, board.

02:35:44 asciilifeform: plus shock mounts

02:36:35 asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Autonetics_D-17.JPG

02:36:37 asciilifeform: ^ moar

02:36:39 decimation: probably could withstand 50 g shock

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02:37:15 asciilifeform: for anyone overcome with urges, there's an emulator somewhere, if i recall.

02:37:15 mircea_popescu: yup

02:37:16 decimation: heh thru-hole parts with hand-drawn pcbs

02:37:20 mircea_popescu: someone leave him the comment he asks for ?

02:37:32 mircea_popescu: ahaha solder reinforced dead trace ?

02:38:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14486 @ 0.00077968 = 11.2944 BTC [-]

02:41:13 decimation: on the guy's forum someone talks about the bodge wires: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-470-agilent-n9344c-20ghz-spectrum-analyser-teardown/msg233302/#msg233302

02:41:15 assbot: EEVblog #470 - Agilent N9344C 20GHz Spectrum Analyser Teardown - Page 3

02:41:27 decimation: " It's not unusual for the first couple of units to have components changed by designers who are not expert solderers just to prove that the mod works as intended. Once everyone is happy then some of these units become demo models, "

02:41:41 decimation: this was probably a demo unit, if the agilent sales guys gave it to him

02:42:16 decimation: I can't find any comments about the gaskets, youtube sucks

02:42:29 asciilifeform: the gaskets are usually 'mu metal'

02:42:33 asciilifeform: ;;google mu metal

02:42:33 gribble: Mu-metal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu-metal; MuShield Magnetic Shielding / MuMetal Home Page, the leader in ...: http://www.mumetal.com/; MuMETAL® Sheet and Foil On Magnetic Shield Corporation: http://custommagneticshielding.magneticshield.com/category/mumetal-sheet-and-foil

02:43:00 mircea_popescu: this is why if i managed him i'd only take final customer items.

02:43:01 asciilifeform: the dissector fellow ought to have known this.

02:44:00 []bot: Bet placed: 4.79 BTC for No on "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 33.06780078 BTC. Current weight: 6,488.

02:46:43 decimation: I suspect the gaskets are something like this http://www.chomerics.com/products/emi/gaskets/wovenwires/index.html

02:46:44 assbot: Parker Chomerics | Woven Wire Mesh and Expanded Metal Foil

02:47:08 BingoBoingo: Futbol would be a lot more interesting if the World Cup's championship game was just Klose and Messi taking shots from the goal line for 90 minutes

02:47:14 decimation: I think the mu-metal is used to line the outer plastic chassis

02:47:20 asciilifeform: decimation: looked solid in the film.

02:47:33 decimation: yeah, it did

02:47:50 mircea_popescu: diametric not bad. i like your guy better than the agilent guy

02:48:28 mircea_popescu: uh i mean dignork :p

02:48:54 dignork: mircea_popescu: but x-ray!

02:49:39 BingoBoingo: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-34T4FnOKEys/U7moV_bQg9I/AAAAAAAAEMM/OX7469hRnH8/s1600/conc.jpg

02:50:18 mircea_popescu: What was not noticed much outside of Afghanistan, was that this shift in weaponry brought to an end a long Afghan tradition of precision, long range shooting.

02:50:37 asciilifeform: old debate about bolt action vs. auto rifle is old...

02:50:42 mircea_popescu: this is bs. unless chinese made, a proper ak probably outshoots a worn-to-shit ww2 surplus bolt action

02:51:25 asciilifeform: around here, most bolt action enthusiasts own 'mosin' - in virginal conditionl.

02:51:32 mircea_popescu: yeah well.

02:51:34 decimation: not if you are 600 yards away

02:51:36 mircea_popescu: try shooting a ww1 rifle once

02:51:41 asciilifeform: russia produced millions of them, and they can be had in original crate (!) for about 100 usd.

02:51:45 mircea_popescu: a daisy's got better accuracy

02:51:56 mircea_popescu: decimation "the half dozen or so men moved several hundred meters away and drew lots to see who would fire in what order."

02:52:12 mircea_popescu: 2-3 even 400.

02:53:28 decimation: afghanistan is the ideal long-distance shooting country

02:53:43 mircea_popescu: in that sense they need sniper rifles not frigging enfields.

02:54:03 decimation: well sure, but they have $100 to spend on pashtoon ak or enfield :)

02:54:12 asciilifeform: russia still fields mosins for sniper use

02:54:27 asciilifeform: naturally, 'massaged' mosins, not the usual surplus market

02:54:55 cazalla: zhoutong is getting into the atm card business https://www.coinjar.com/dna

02:54:57 assbot: CoinJar DNA - Become a part of CoinJar's evolution.

02:54:59 decimation: this guy on the UK side was having a field day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Harrison_%28sniper%29

02:55:27 mircea_popescu: cazalla the disadvantage of running a neobee is that you get the "no news" people on your case

02:55:32 mircea_popescu: and gotta keep pumping them "news"

02:55:44 asciilifeform: lol re: baggage machine. used to push my knapsack through this exact type of box every morning.

02:56:32 asciilifeform: also mega-lol re: 3rd comment on film.

02:56:44 asciilifeform: 1nn0c3nt l1v3s!

02:57:55 cazalla: mircea_popescu: there is a new exchange here in au, cointree.com.au, i emailed and invited them here, they were happy to meet for coffee or do a google hangout but no show here :\

02:57:57 dignork: the guy made a long film out of it, but he managed to turn it on, and then was brave/stupid enough to disassemble particle emitter

02:58:38 mircea_popescu: dignork o wow he did that ?

02:58:52 mircea_popescu: what do trhese things use, high voltage diode ?

02:59:17 asciilifeform: xray tube hasn't really changed since it was discovered.

02:59:40 decimation: most good engineers would have alot of trouble figuring out circuitry from an xray (in a short timeframe)

02:59:41 mircea_popescu: tungsten/rhenium ?

02:59:56 decimation: now imagine what kind of chance the average airport mouthbreather has to figure things out

03:00:15 asciilifeform: aye, whack a tungsten target with electron. bremsstrahlung!

03:00:39 decimation: nah, use scotch tape

03:00:54 *: asciilifeform tried to build the famous scotch tape xray

03:01:03 asciilifeform: hard to get detector that is sensitive enough

03:01:04 mircea_popescu: lol

03:01:08 decimation: http://www.nature.com/news/2008/012345/full/news.2008.1185.html

03:01:08 assbot: Sticky tape generates X-rays : Nature News

03:01:12 asciilifeform: that one.

03:01:25 asciilifeform: love how they eventually admitted that it was a '50s russian discovery

03:01:30 asciilifeform: but, 'remastered!'

03:01:31 decimation: Yeah I bet you need a good vaccuum too

03:01:40 dignork: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ffx5eX39E

03:01:40 assbot: Baggage X-ray machine part 6 - inside the black box. - YouTube

03:02:00 decimation: I was reading about the history of computers the other day ascii - early soviet machines were balance ternary!

03:02:06 asciilifeform: decimation: yes.

03:02:18 decimation: I find that amusing, perhaps when the 'end of moore' comes, ternary computers will reappear

03:02:23 mircea_popescu: what killed it ?

03:02:27 asciilifeform: http://archive.today/kxP9k

03:02:28 assbot: Online Emulation of Soviet Ternary Computer Setun / rinary

03:02:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i might have mentioned this once, long ago. what killed? the decision to copy american machines to run warez.

03:03:09 mircea_popescu: aha.

03:03:14 asciilifeform: all native russian work on computing was nixed

03:03:17 decimation: and the american machines were already "new jersey" style

03:04:08 asciilifeform: ternary cpu was not only space-efficient (closer to 'e', more compact arithmetic representation) but considerably simplified arithm. circuits.

03:04:16 asciilifeform: no need for 'complements'

03:04:56 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_computer

03:04:56 assbot: Ternary computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:05:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There are still WWI era Springfields that are in nice shape, but with the Enfields... "British Industry" producers of fine cars that have a commonality with puppies in their leaving of puddles

03:06:18 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

03:06:20 gribble: Current Blocks: 309868 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 595 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 48 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16958371720.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.83189

03:06:41 decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_ternary "Donald Knuth has pointed out that truncation and rounding are the same operation in balanced ternary ? they produce exactly the same result (a property shared with other balanced numeral systems). "

03:06:41 assbot: Balanced ternary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

03:06:50 asciilifeform: yes.

03:07:41 decimation: it's actually quite elegant, rids you of the need to come up with some silly signed integer representation

03:08:23 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55z_0BYb5is

03:08:23 assbot: Wierd military computer boards - YouTube

03:08:30 asciilifeform: ^ re: mil-style board construction

03:08:38 *: BingoBoingo still dreams of "spider shotgun" shooting sub 0.1 grams of salt

03:09:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'ratshot'

03:09:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ratshot fucks up drywall

03:09:40 asciilifeform: exists, saw in catalogue not long ago.

03:09:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17314 @ 0.00078026 = 13.5094 BTC [+]

03:09:46 asciilifeform: incl. plastic variant

03:10:58 BingoBoingo: Plastic ratshot still messes drywall. Also... I want it for the challenge. Not smashing spiders with a weapon capable of felling a snake

03:11:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 100mW diode laser.

03:11:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26610 @ 0.00077972 = 20.7483 BTC [-] {2}

03:12:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Now we're talking

03:12:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.03660002 = 0.732 BTC [-] {2}

03:13:35 decimation: wonder how many backyard warriors are planning on killing the neighbor's kids while "defending" their home with an ak?

03:14:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.036 = 2.52 BTC [-]

03:16:26 nubbins`: i saw a video earlier of a 3d-printed composting shredder

03:18:02 BingoBoingo: Blackbag operation against the groundhog stealling all of the soon to be tomatoes last week was satisfying

03:21:41 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_spot/2014/07/08/brazil_blown_out_by_germany_at_world_cup_how_will_it_effect_president_dilma.html

03:21:41 assbot: Brazil blown out by Germany at World Cup: How will it effect President Dilma Rousseff in the upcoming election?

03:21:48 decimation: ascii those military boards you linked are apparently from a VAX!

03:22:14 asciilifeform: decimation: 'minuteman' and many other american products still run on vax (in their 'modernized' variants!)

03:22:54 BingoBoingo: Vaxocentrism 4 Lyfe!!!

03:23:01 decimation: yeah, the amount of extra work you have to go through to meet mil-spec for avionics, etc, why bother changing software?

03:23:23 asciilifeform: vax forever because... alternative is: winblows.

03:23:40 asciilifeform: (why? ask them - not me)

03:24:39 decimation: http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=118887

03:24:40 assbot: 404 - File or directory not found.

03:24:42 BingoBoingo: Spac isn't bad either before Sparc III

03:24:48 decimation: "The Defense Department has leveraged the buying power of more than two million information technology users to award a three-year, $617 million joint enterprise license agreement for Microsoft products, defense officials announced."

03:24:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31476 @ 0.00077871 = 24.5107 BTC [-] {2}

03:25:01 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/dougmillsnyt/statuses/486698576630669312

03:25:02 assbot: Twitter / dougmillsnyt: Obama reacts as he is greeted ...

03:25:14 decimation: the DoD was very clever in its spending of $0.6 billion for crapware

03:25:56 decimation: if only they would have seen the value they would have also purchased whatsapp for $20bn

03:26:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8324 @ 0.00078138 = 6.5042 BTC [+]

03:30:19 BingoBoingo: decimation: And you suppose Facebook isn't a front how?

03:32:36 decimation: http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks tells you all you need to know about facebook

03:32:37 assbot: Facebook CEO Admits To Calling Users 'Dumb Fucks'

03:33:55 nubbins`: horse heads

03:37:40 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2014/riverwalk-a-proper-one/#comment-102409

03:37:41 assbot: Riverwalk. A proper one. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:39:04 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/07/08/smallpox_discovered_old_laboratory_produces_surprising_find.html

03:39:04 assbot: Smallpox discovered: Old laboratory produces surprising find.

03:41:11 BingoBoingo: !up peterl

03:41:20 peterl: hi

03:41:26 BingoBoingo: halo

03:45:44 BingoBoingo: !up crypto___

03:45:51 BingoBoingo: !up nam-shub

03:46:54 BingoBoingo: !up shandid

03:46:58 BingoBoingo: !up akstunt600

03:47:03 shandid: hey

03:47:13 BingoBoingo: Hello shandid

03:48:07 BingoBoingo: What brings you here

03:54:36 mircea_popescu: <decimation> "The Defense Department has leveraged the buying power << lmao

03:55:30 mircea_popescu: looks like i owe stan a beer nao

03:55:44 mircea_popescu: any strippers in washington dc wanna do a home delivery ?

03:56:08 TheNewDeal: mememe

03:56:29 asciilifeform: i'll pick up mein bier in person soon enough.

03:57:20 mircea_popescu: bring the strippers.

03:57:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00077757 = 13.2187 BTC [-]

03:58:14 BingoBoingo: Looks like I could do it round trip of a bit over 24 hours on I-70

03:58:38 benkay: <mike_c> can anybody recommend an irc bouncer. // emacs + mosh on remote boxx

03:59:52 mike_c: thx. i don't know anything about emacs yet.

04:00:06 benkay: it's okay for editing text

04:00:29 asciilifeform: emacs is life

04:00:31 BingoBoingo: Life seems to be in a precarious position, once again thanks to life bombs launching damaging spaceships

04:00:35 benkay: mostly it's just a lispy wrapper around *nix runtime

04:00:46 benkay: whoa asciilifeform getting all religious

04:01:06 []bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 38.06780078 BTC. Current weight: 6,304.

04:01:07 asciilifeform: life in literal sense. little oasis in a parched desert of dry turd.

04:01:28 benkay: more like semi sanitizing wrapper

04:01:34 benkay: poo stench still oozes through

04:01:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.035 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2}

04:01:40 mike_c: BingoBoingo: you got a position?

04:02:00 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Just a little bit on death, less a bit on life

04:02:52 asciilifeform: benkay: stench still oozes through << of course.

04:03:39 thestringpuller: emacs is lame. vim 4 lyfe

04:03:51 *: mircea_popescu uses nano and what is this

04:04:02 TheNewDeal: who is 16tao

04:04:16 TheNewDeal: 16tAo

04:04:26 asciilifeform: lives there a man who doesn't use nano? (or, 'pico' ?)

04:06:26 asciilifeform: Breathes there the man, with soul so dead, / Who never to himself hath said, / This is my own, my native shell! / Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd, / As home his footsteps he hath turn'd, / From wandering on a winblows hell!

04:06:37 asciilifeform: (apologies to sir walter scott)

04:06:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00078049 = 9.0927 BTC [+]

04:10:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16776 @ 0.00078138 = 13.1084 BTC [+]

04:11:26 mircea_popescu: not bad.

04:11:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18324 @ 0.00078498 = 14.384 BTC [+]

04:23:24 kyuupichan: TheNewDeal: I believe it's kako, but I could be wrong

04:23:31 kyuupichan: Why?

04:24:17 TheNewDeal: it's an address I see lots while scowering bitbet for my latest fortune

04:24:28 kyuupichan: Someone who's close to MP at any rate

04:24:38 TheNewDeal: wasn't sure if it was MP himself

04:24:54 TheNewDeal: was looking at this

04:24:55 TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/991/argentina-beats-netherlands/

04:24:55 assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No | closing in 19 hours 35 minutes | weight: 28`366 (100`000 to 10`000)

04:24:58 kyuupichan: haha, that's a possibility, but I think he normally uses 1K4fs (or sthg similar)

04:25:14 kyuupichan: 1K4Fs

04:25:31 TheNewDeal: which is basically 50 1K4fs vs 32.335 16tAo

04:25:37 TheNewDeal: plus some chump change

04:26:06 kyuupichan: Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako.

04:27:36 TheNewDeal: assuming 16tAo is kako, and 1K4fs is mp, how much does each make in the winning/losing scenario

04:28:50 kyuupichan: A shitload :)

04:30:26 TheNewDeal: how much would one recover from the losing side, considering they owned a large portion of bitbet shares?

04:32:09 mike_c: 1% * (percentage they don't own) - expenses.

04:32:22 mike_c: negligible

04:32:41 mike_c: er, * percentage they do own i mean

04:32:47 mike_c: still, very little.

04:34:43 TheNewDeal: true, looks like it would 1% or less of original bet

04:35:27 kyuupichan: Between them they own most of bitbet meaning they almost bet for free

04:36:08 TheNewDeal: i guess that's pretty fair

04:36:24 TheNewDeal: not that I have a say in the matter :D

04:36:26 decimation: asciilifeform: I've been using org-mode recently, it is definitely a useful tool

04:43:03 mthreat: mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/10550867_10204346767814371_6414089052882239487_n.jpg

04:43:37 mthreat: mircea_popescu: it's a mannequin at a restaurant (Filo) in retiro

04:52:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00078155 = 14.7713 BTC [-]

05:01:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00078446 = 16.4737 BTC [+]

05:04:35 []bot: Bet placed: 1.7998 BTC for No on "Bitstamp Price to exceed 900$ before August (day's low)" http://bitbet.us/bet/814/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.4097083 BTC. Current weight: 19,659.

05:04:38 []bot: Bet placed: 59.99631592 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 612.76560806 BTC. Current weight: 37,560.

05:08:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00078155 = 9.066 BTC [-]

05:09:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00078043 = 14.7111 BTC [-] {2}

05:11:37 kyuupichan: TheNewDeal: Your 1Q9Q6 no?

05:11:40 kyuupichan: You're

05:11:45 TheNewDeal: yes

05:11:50 kyuupichan: heh

05:12:18 TheNewDeal: if you would like to purchase some timeweight from me, give me a holler

05:13:00 kyuupichan: Why do you reuse the address? Just curious.

05:13:56 TheNewDeal: that address is pretty much bitbets

05:14:31 TheNewDeal: don't feel the need to change it up often

05:15:20 kyuupichan: I guess it's useful for stats. Not very private though which is why I wondered why people do it. Maybe they just don't care.

05:16:50 TheNewDeal: pretty much what you said there

05:17:10 kyuupichan: I wonder what it'd take to get BTC to 10k by 29 Nov. World financial crisis perhaps?

05:17:36 TheNewDeal: I don't think financial crises necessarily means boom for bitcoin

05:18:14 TheNewDeal: I think you would probably just need a bitstamp like company to go Mt Gox, have a bunch of fishy shit go down, and the other exchanges follow the lead

05:18:20 Duffer1: wall street level speculation imo

05:18:23 kyuupichan: 10k is quite a tall order in 5 mths though.

05:18:34 kyuupichan: 5k by y/e is far more likely IMO

05:18:35 Duffer1: they'll price it at whatever the hell they want

05:18:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9249 @ 0.00078446 = 7.2555 BTC [+]

05:19:15 kyuupichan: Lloyd Blankfein turns believer and publicly puts $100m in BTC.

05:19:32 TheNewDeal: http://bitbet.us/bet/989/bitcoin-to-win-vs-s-p-500/ this bet is very interesting to me

05:19:32 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to win vs S&P 500 :: 0.73 B (63%) on Yes, 0.43 B (37%) on No | closing in 6 months 5 days | weight: 97`197 (100`000 to 1)

05:20:00 TheNewDeal: S&P 500 is sitting at a fragile 1900 at the moment

05:20:25 kyuupichan: Yeah I think equities are looking a bit toppy

05:21:02 TheNewDeal: s&p is an index

05:21:11 kyuupichan: Still I don't think BTC goes to over $2k this year now. I'd be happy with 1500

05:21:40 kyuupichan: Yup I know

05:22:02 TheNewDeal: ahhh gotcha, I guess there is a grey area with indicies of equities

05:23:10 TheNewDeal: I would love to see it go towards $1500 this year, but I think next year is going to be a big one pricewise

05:23:25 TheNewDeal: for some reason I think this year is going to be meh

05:23:54 kyuupichan: Well the first 6 months have been pretty "meh". :)

05:23:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.0007849 = 24.3319 BTC [+] {2}

05:24:19 kyuupichan: I wonder if we'll ever be down year-on-year

05:24:23 TheNewDeal: good buying opportunities :).

05:25:00 TheNewDeal: I think the mt cox fiasco really messed with the price, wouldn't be surprised if we were sub 1200 by years end

05:25:42 Duffer1: the derp money ran face first into the bitcointalk securities scam wall

05:26:09 Duffer1: + mt gox

05:26:15 TheNewDeal: seems like that is going to happen a dozen times over

05:26:36 Duffer1: infinite hitpoints indeed

05:27:50 Duffer1: if bitcoin wants a capital draw then it will probably be porn and gambling leading the way

05:33:04 Duffer1: and drugs

05:33:15 TheNewDeal: well

05:34:02 TheNewDeal: I also heard the black market of employment is increasing at a faster rate than that of typical tax-payer employment

05:34:20 nubbins`: underground economy ftw

05:34:35 nubbins`: wow, still authed

05:34:37 TheNewDeal: wouldn't be too far-fetched to see people being paid in bitcoin, avoiding government taxation

05:34:54 TheNewDeal: that's the term I was looking for

05:35:22 TheNewDeal: wonder if the first underground economy was above ground or below

05:35:22 Duffer1: that would be hard to make auditproof without trustworthy mixing services

05:35:27 nubbins`: TheNewDeal, that's already happening all the time ;(

05:35:44 TheNewDeal: why the tears nubbins'?

05:35:50 nubbins`: something in my eye

05:36:11 nubbins`: but anyway. great for unregistered businesses

05:36:24 TheNewDeal: great for the bitcoin economy. simply amazing

05:36:24 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

05:36:28 Duffer1: ah ya no doubt

05:36:36 nubbins`: registered ones w/ employees probably aren't just going to start paying salaries with bitcoin and stop deducting income tax

05:36:45 nubbins`: that's a bit silly

05:37:08 TheNewDeal: too much work

05:37:28 nubbins`: too much risk

05:37:43 TheNewDeal: indeed

05:38:31 nubbins`: however, businesses that are directly involved in btc

05:38:35 nubbins`: different story

05:41:15 TheNewDeal: gotta head to bed, but I'll leave you with this. Child-porn sniffing dawgs http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/07/08/329501226/police-use-dog-to-find-memory-hard-drives-in-search?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20140708

05:41:15 assbot: Police Use Dog To Find Memory And Hard Drives In Search : The Two-Way : NPR

05:56:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00078043 = 5.5411 BTC [-]

06:02:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40233 @ 0.00077679 = 31.2526 BTC [-] {3}

06:10:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.000775 = 7.905 BTC [-] {2}

06:12:50 fluffypony: mircea_popescu:paging fluffypony. hey f, lay off teh womenz and irc more! <- he says at 1am :-P

06:13:57 fluffypony: actually that knives4bitcoin site is kinda cool, I'm just not in the market for anything atm

06:17:35 fluffypony: pity they don't have Fallkniven or Benchmade

06:35:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.0007522 = 20.4222 BTC [-]

07:00:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00075652 = 2.7613 BTC [+] {2}

08:11:56 kyuupichan: Is the leverage on bitfinex mostly long or short or pretty balanced?

08:16:49 cazalla: wow, sexysaffron already removed from youtube, i bet you andreas did this

08:17:21 cazalla: someone should, you know, kill him

08:17:54 pankkake: lol

08:18:29 pankkake: the video was public, with nudity. duh

08:19:03 cazalla: yeah but they usually last longer

08:19:19 cazalla: ISIS videos have been on there for weeks

08:36:47 ThickAsThieves: <+kyuupichan> Is the leverage on bitfinex mostly long or short or pretty balanced? //// there's a meter on the site

08:37:06 ThickAsThieves: https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/stats

08:52:54 kyuupichan: ThickAsThieves: Cheers!

08:53:13 kyuupichan: andreas who?

09:07:35 cazalla: exactly

09:08:55 ThickAsThieves: kyuupichan see also http://www.bfxdata.com/

09:08:57 assbot: Bitfinex Swaps USD

09:54:38 davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "it's gonna be 25-0 for germany" <<< implying netherlands won't buttraep argentina :D

09:54:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

10:09:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 59 @ 0.01609989 = 0.9499 BTC [-] {10}

10:10:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01448 = 0.724 BTC [-]

10:35:37 davout: mpex.co down for everyone ?

10:36:12 fluffypony: http://isup.me/mpex.co

10:41:07 davout: isup.me is down for me :D

10:41:37 davout: fluffypony: so is mpex down for you smartass?

10:42:01 fluffypony: yes

10:42:10 fluffypony: and it's down for isup

10:43:05 pankkake: $proxies

10:43:05 empyex: pankkake: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ http://mpex.co/

10:43:05 assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.

10:43:17 fluffypony: http://cheezburger.com/8247736320

10:43:18 assbot: Ukrainian Astronomers Officially Name a Star "Putin is a D-ckhead" - Cheezburger

10:49:02 davout: yeah, proxy down too

10:49:16 davout: e-mail interface would be neat-o

10:49:38 davout: wat, no wait it's up

10:49:41 davout: :D

10:50:25 pankkake: I was thinking of e-mail interface, it seemed ideal. except you'd probably want to set an expiration for the order

10:51:06 davout: pankkake: that for one, also linking orders to responses would be another issue

10:52:14 davout: that's actually the kind of interface i was thinking about when trying to figure out how to handle DDoS without cloudflare

10:52:29 pankkake: http://cr.yp.to/immhf/thread.html

10:55:35 davout: pankkake: interesting thanks!

10:59:00 fluffypony: eugh, new Blackberry Passport is fugly: http://cdn.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/New-BB-devices.jpg

11:08:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.20278397 = 10.1392 BTC [+] {9}

11:58:13 FabianB: $mpexlag

11:59:17 FabianB: "12:49 <+davout> e-mail interface would be neat-o" <-- looks like the irc interface is down as well, so it's probably not the frontend server, it's the trade engine itself

12:00:20 empyex: FabianB: Hmm.. error.

12:23:46 kakobrekla: email interface is up afaik

12:23:51 kakobrekla: only its manual.

12:25:10 kakobrekla: <pankkake> I was thinking of e-mail interface, it seemed ideal. except you'd probably want to set an expiration for the order < yeah i was thinking same yesterday

12:25:29 kakobrekla: but in my case ill just skip that.

12:25:33 kakobrekla: i think.

12:25:47 pankkake: skip expiration?

12:25:56 pankkake: the issue is that mails can sometimes be stuck for days

12:26:45 kakobrekla: yeah true that. only im not using email. but still, same thing applies

12:26:56 los_pantalones: http://imgur.com/Vi5a6jf

12:26:56 assbot: Some dude in r/soccer made the best bet of his life - Imgur

12:27:43 fluffypony: those odds

12:27:46 fluffypony: that is nuts

12:28:05 kakobrekla: but i was thinking in a sense - you submit your order via whatever protocol and there is some delay to response or it may never come

12:28:17 kakobrekla: basically regardless of which protocol you pick these things can happen

12:28:32 mircea_popescu: davout what's netherlands, like a team or something ?

12:28:54 kakobrekla: so i guess giving it an expiration date fixes this in most if not all cases

12:29:06 kakobrekla: but it complicates it somewhat.

12:29:51 pankkake: the other advantage is that you can wait for the return… and give up waiting after expiration

12:29:53 kakobrekla: mpex model is to requery stat and hope to see if its in

12:30:00 pankkake: lol

12:30:07 mircea_popescu: Confirmed bets: 11000

12:30:40 davout: pankkake: because answer got lost on the way

12:30:43 davout: mebbe

12:30:52 kakobrekla: yeah but i can see how time sync can also be problematic

12:30:55 pankkake: hm, right, you cannot be sure of that too

12:31:07 davout: mircea_popescu: they're the guys who give the balls to robben

12:31:25 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/991/argentina-beats-netherlands/

12:31:25 assbot: BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No | closing in 11 hours 28 minutes | weight: 20`762 (100`000 to 10`000)

12:31:30 mircea_popescu: they're not doing so hawt :p

12:33:18 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan: Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako. << kako only has 31.35 btc.

12:34:31 kakobrekla: lol

12:34:34 mircea_popescu: mthreat haha not bad. is it a girl or a boy tho ?

12:35:57 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan: I wonder what it'd take to get BTC to 10k by 29 Nov. World financial crisis perhaps? << lol. no, actually, any one of about a million or so people could do it today.

12:36:08 mircea_popescu: buy 1mn worth of btc three-four times, it's done.

12:36:52 mircea_popescu: Duffer1: they'll price it at whatever the hell they want << haven't managed it so far, no. if only it were that easy.

12:39:39 mircea_popescu: so it seems we're having further problems with teh disks.

12:39:42 mircea_popescu: o lovely disks ;/

12:46:09 thestringpuller: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad

12:46:11 assbot: Potato Salad by Zack Danger Brown — Kickstarter

12:52:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 66 @ 0.01621653 = 1.0703 BTC [+] {4}

12:53:48 kakobrekla: hm, internets say theres liek 7mio millionaire households in usa alone

12:55:24 kakobrekla: half a mio of them in tokyo

13:01:18 davout: germany scoring 7 goals against brazil isn't that bad

13:01:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well yes but someone can't put all their net worth into btc.

13:01:35 mircea_popescu: for one thing they still need a house.

13:01:37 davout: they won 6 million to zero against israel back in the day

13:01:46 mircea_popescu: davout israel.

13:01:47 kakobrekla: i did it. apart from the liver.

13:01:49 ThickAsThieves: Zack Danger is like, fuck, i gotta mail so many bites of potato salad...

13:02:59 kakobrekla: should have done the liver too.

13:03:22 mircea_popescu: so then you;'d have had over 33 bitcoinz ?

13:03:30 kakobrekla: uhum

13:06:21 kyuupichan: kako's gonna be 50 coinz richer soon

13:06:58 mircea_popescu: livers for the whole fambly!

13:07:00 kakobrekla: all i can say it isnt me. which is also what i would say if i wanted to you think it isnt me. so whatever.

13:07:03 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: lol

13:07:04 ThickAsThieves: just a random note, isnt the bitbet website kinda small, by today's resolution/monitor standards?

13:07:21 fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'll bet he gets into trouble with some countries for trying to import food to them

13:07:28 ThickAsThieves: i just realized ive had it zoomed way in, cuz the WoL ad is all blurry

13:08:18 pankkake: I have a narrow browser, because it's easier to read

13:08:30 pankkake: those 1920 screens are stupid :/

13:08:50 ThickAsThieves: theyre also why i canty stand left-aligned websites

13:09:06 kyuupichan: kakobrekla: lol

13:09:12 ThickAsThieves: how come no one right aligns?

13:09:17 ThickAsThieves: racists

13:10:26 kakobrekla: terrorist.


13:10:50 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just use punkman's gui

13:11:03 mircea_popescu: websites are for poor people.

13:12:02 ThickAsThieves: how is bitbet sposed to be the furst biggest if so small?

13:12:19 davout: kakobrekla: no actually the terrorists do right align

13:12:29 ThickAsThieves: to be fair i have more than half my websites zoomed in

13:12:49 ThickAsThieves: mp told me to care for my eyes

13:13:21 pankkake: funny how many hipsters' websites have big fonts, yet those guys are young with big glasses

13:13:22 kakobrekla: davout yes that is being implied

13:13:38 pankkake: ThickAsThieves: I use NoSquint, configurable zoom per website

13:13:44 FabianB: $mpexlag

13:13:51 ThickAsThieves: chrome remembers the zoom too mostly

13:13:52 kakobrekla: pankkake do you zoom bitbet?

13:13:54 fluffypony: NoSquirt?

13:14:04 kakobrekla: fluffypony thats the result yea

13:14:10 fluffypony: :-P

13:14:14 pankkake: no, never felt the need to zoom it

13:14:51 mircea_popescu: FabianB it's been down for a while. working on it.

13:15:14 pankkake: though it definitively is easier on the eyes with 110% text-only zoom

13:15:14 kyuupichan: Public Note: bitcoin is harmful ponzi scheme, it will collapse soon, satoshi nakamoto is devil.

13:15:16 kyuupichan: lol

13:15:51 empyex: FabianB: Hmm.. error.

13:16:19 FabianB: mircea_popescu: kk

13:18:52 kyuupichan: Why TF does bitstamp put all their coins in one huge address? Doesn't seem the smartest plan.

13:19:35 kyuupichan: It's ironic the two largest BTC addresses are coins held in custody for others

13:19:45 kakobrekla: nowhere does it say they are smart.

13:19:49 pankkake: why would more addresses be more secure?

13:19:54 kakobrekla: i checked the faq.

13:20:09 pankkake: what's the other largest address?

13:20:27 kyuupichan: DPR seized coins

13:20:50 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> why would more addresses be more secure? << one address can't be in two wallets.

13:21:06 kakobrekla: eh?

13:21:27 ThickAsThieves: this is bound to be a circular debate

13:21:30 mircea_popescu: well that wasn't the best way to say it.

13:21:42 mircea_popescu: all teh btc in one address are lost simultaneously.

13:21:47 ThickAsThieves: more gears, more can break. less gears, when it breaks, it's worse.

13:21:47 mircea_popescu: is what i meant.

13:21:52 mircea_popescu: exactly.

13:22:05 pankkake: right; but the point shouldn't be more addresses, but more holders or locations

13:22:53 kakobrekla: question, do make withdrawals from that addy or they move the whole thing?

13:24:18 kyuupichan: That cosmic ray that does a bitflip between you pressing enter on the password and the software signing the txn

13:24:21 ThickAsThieves: i'd guess it's cold storage and only tapped into when hot wallet is abnormally low

13:24:30 ThickAsThieves: but what do i know

13:25:23 pankkake: can in a fridge

13:28:11 mircea_popescu: lol

13:28:13 nubbins`: fridge in a can

13:28:14 nubbins`: would buy

13:28:36 ThickAsThieves: http://dcmagnates.com/pantera-capital-launches-pantera-bitindex-states-venture-capital-will-drive-bitcoin-growth/

13:28:37 assbot: Pantera Capital Launches Pantera Bitindex, States Venture Capital Will Drive Bitcoin Growth – Digital Currency Magnates

13:29:39 mircea_popescu: pantera is going to make a nice rug.

13:30:28 ThickAsThieves: The research report also announced the launch of the Pantera BitIndex. Measuring seven data points, according to Pantera Capital

13:30:50 ThickAsThieves: Developer interest on GitHub

13:30:50 ThickAsThieves: Merchant adoption

13:30:50 ThickAsThieves: Wikipedia views

13:30:50 ThickAsThieves: Hashrate

13:30:50 ThickAsThieves: Google searches

13:30:51 ThickAsThieves: User adoption as measured by wallets

13:30:51 ThickAsThieves: Transaction volume

13:30:51 nubbins`: ;;ud pantera

13:30:52 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pantera | Pantera. A fucking kickass metal band that has, believe it or not, made a special appearance in Spongebob Squarepants' episode of "Pre-Hibernation Week".

13:31:02 ThickAsThieves: lol

13:31:07 mircea_popescu: hahaha ok

13:31:10 ThickAsThieves: nice index bro

13:31:41 mircea_popescu: this is like... the forum 2.0

13:32:11 mircea_popescu: under the very flimsy - VERY flimsy - excuse that they aren't really this stupid, they're just trying to cater to the stupid.

13:32:27 mircea_popescu: this sticks until you actually get to know them financial minds, and find out that yes, they are actualy that

13:32:31 mircea_popescu: stupid

13:34:44 pankkake: so pantera is going to invest in companies, not coins?

13:34:50 ThickAsThieves: USD falls today due to decreased github developer interest!

13:34:56 pankkake: s/companies/startups/

13:34:59 mircea_popescu: maybe it just buys the index

13:38:42 nubbins`: landed a job making t-shirts for my favourite sushi restaurant :D

13:38:55 pankkake: are you paid in sushis?

13:39:56 mircea_popescu: :D

13:40:01 mircea_popescu: quote them in rolls!

13:41:48 pankkake: anything's better than fiat. I have not had much success yet though

13:42:15 pankkake: say, I could be paid in hard drives

13:42:57 fluffypony: nigga plz

13:42:59 fluffypony: ssd's only

13:43:42 pankkake: I don't need that much ssds. or I would be very very well paid if I moved everything to ssds

13:45:01 fluffypony: so this DataTank mining crowd

13:45:09 fluffypony: they've now secured ALL OF THE FUNDINGZ

13:45:14 fluffypony: or something

13:45:29 mircea_popescu: what's it do ?

13:45:34 pankkake: tank

13:45:46 mircea_popescu: i beg your pardon ?

13:45:59 fluffypony: hah hah

13:46:08 fluffypony: they shove ASICs in tanks of fluid

13:46:15 fluffypony: in shipping containers

13:46:18 mircea_popescu: o o

13:46:28 mircea_popescu: not such a horrible idea i thought

13:46:38 mircea_popescu: seeing how you then don't need a warehouse anymore, just a lot.

13:47:03 fluffypony: yeah

13:47:19 mircea_popescu: asic miners are also the eminent tool for this. an isp can't do it because customers wil want upgrades etc

13:47:20 fluffypony: it seems nice from a visual perspective, all these shipping-container-modules

13:47:32 fluffypony: but it doesn't seem to be a very clever use of space

13:47:34 mircea_popescu: but i was trying to sell a sysadmin friend on the concept of ironman isp, doing something quite similar.

13:47:42 mircea_popescu: "and if a server blows you just get another one"

13:47:45 mircea_popescu: !up mcm

13:47:46 fluffypony: hah

13:48:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony why not clever use of space ?

13:48:27 pankkake: shipping cointainers are an old idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Modular_Datacenter

13:48:28 assbot: Sun Modular Datacenter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

13:48:36 mircea_popescu: pankkake true.

13:49:14 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: if you want to expand I think grabbing an existing warehouse and expanding within the warehouse is eminently more manageable, both from expansion and security perspectives

13:49:15 pankkake: perhaps having your mining farm mobile can be an advantage

13:49:30 fluffypony: pankkake: not when "mobile" needs 3-phase power

13:49:45 mircea_popescu: fluffypony who's going to steal from a steel container ?

13:49:50 mircea_popescu: warehouse has gates. imo much more secure.

13:50:00 fluffypony: just steal the whole container

13:50:04 mircea_popescu: yeah. right.

13:50:07 fluffypony: :-P

13:50:21 mircea_popescu: you need machinery for that, not really the same as backing in some pickup trucks.

13:50:41 mircea_popescu: also you have to steal the whole thing. if people had to steal the WHOLE old lady, they a) couldn't use bikes and b)wouldn't be bothered.

13:50:48 mircea_popescu: the point is to be ab le to select just the purse.

13:51:14 mircea_popescu: and as for expansion... those shits stack 10 iirc.

13:51:24 mircea_popescu: what dc has 10 floors ?

13:51:57 pankkake: perhaps you want to quickly change the state you operate in. because power costs, laws…

13:51:58 mircea_popescu: pankkake course i see thsi was announced 2006. my idea was cca 2002 :p

13:54:06 mircea_popescu: pankkake plus you get unexpected bonuses. such as parking one in every trailer park in the us.

13:54:30 Mats_cd03: http://www.linux-kongress.org/2010/slides/osmocombb-welte.pdf killer presentation on gsm

13:54:35 mircea_popescu: least ddos-able miner farm ever (which currently is the major problem)

13:56:00 pankkake: do ddos the farm, you'd have to know what ips they have. pretty easy to hide from the public

13:56:05 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: seems like that is going to happen a dozen times over << im hoping about 5 (of which 3 already happened. 2 moar reserved for WCs)

13:56:14 mircea_popescu: pankkake nothing is ever easy to hide.

13:57:20 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: wouldn't be too far-fetched to see people being paid in bitcoin, avoiding government taxation << inasmuch as you've seen this like... yesterday ? yeah.

13:58:10 Mats_cd03: are miners generally vulnerable to ddos?

13:58:16 mircea_popescu: quite.

13:58:24 mircea_popescu: !up arsenische

13:59:02 mircea_popescu: cazalla: wow, sexysaffron already removed from youtube, i bet you andreas did this >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yrlh3E_qu4

13:59:02 assbot: Mission: #bitcoin-assets - YouTube

13:59:05 mircea_popescu: how's it removed ?

13:59:32 mircea_popescu: cazalla: ISIS videos have been on there for weeks << yeah but who ever cared about that :p

14:00:04 Mats_cd03: i enjoy the videos quite a bit

14:01:05 Mats_cd03: jihadis have a flair for the dramatic. ends up with p good war porn

14:02:25 pankkake: davout: http://www.numerama.com/magazine/29953-un-rapport-pour-encadrer-le-bitcoin-remis-par-tracfin-a-michel-sapin.html

14:02:26 assbot: Un rapport pour encadrer le Bitcoin remis par TRACFIN Michel Sapin

14:02:51 pankkake: the state is "somewhat worried"

14:07:48 Mats_cd03: do miners necessarily have to be vulnerable to ddos? i cant say i understand how mining works in depth

14:12:38 nubbins`: that video is brutal

14:13:33 nubbins`: BITCOIN!! HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

14:13:52 danielpbarron: a miner doing 51% can take a ddos; any others would not be able to make the longest chain without up-to-date blockchain data

14:14:31 nubbins`: so IDGAF about sports

14:14:49 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron this being the most dangerous part of someone getting 51% : he now has a serious incentive to ddos the world.

14:14:50 nubbins`: but apparently pornhub and similar sites have been flooded with uploads of the germany-brazil game

14:15:00 davout: pankkake: thanks! so apparently it's due on friday

14:15:03 mircea_popescu: all he needs is to constantly kick the 2-3 closest competitors off the block. a la mtgox-tradehill

14:15:08 nubbins`: "young brazilians get fucked by entire german football team" etc

14:15:37 Mats_cd03: hilarious

14:15:59 nubbins`: they had to ask people to stop, claiming their public humiliation category was full

14:19:29 mircea_popescu: lol

14:19:41 mircea_popescu: public humiliation is never full!

14:30:47 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

14:30:49 pankkake: public disgrace

14:34:30 indiancandy1: who?

14:36:39 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 here's a trick : this cannel is logged. you can see what people were talking about before you showed up. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750961

14:36:39 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:38:21 kakobrekla: there is a log? oh my god mircea, i think i love you.

14:38:33 rithm: logs are for fags

14:39:18 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla show me your teats ?

14:41:05 indiancandy1: his mine

14:41:06 indiancandy1: :(

14:41:22 ThickAsThieves: "@BTCFoundation hires Thorsen French as outside lobbyists. Part of the appeal was they weren't invovled in past financial services battles"

14:41:38 ThickAsThieves: god forbid they have experience

14:42:11 kakobrekla: fuck you bitch i was here first.

14:42:29 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you don';t get how probono works.

14:42:31 ThickAsThieves: Altcoin currently has more votes than GroinCoin at hitbtc.com/vote

14:42:38 ThickAsThieves: such progress

14:42:45 chetty: ThickAsThieves, experience? whats this are you racist or smthn

14:42:45 mircea_popescu: "part of the appeal was that having no experience and looking for exposure, they didn't actually want to be paid"

14:42:54 ThickAsThieves: and more votes than ripple!

14:43:10 pankkake: I suppose you can pay for votes?

14:43:22 ThickAsThieves: probly

14:43:23 indiancandy1: it was rigged

14:43:35 rithm: omg where 2 buy realcomins!!!!!

14:43:40 rithm: *realcoinz

14:44:04 ThickAsThieves: hmm it says nothing about paying for votes

14:44:13 ThickAsThieves: but it does say theyll list if there are 2 market makers

14:44:22 pankkake: lol

14:44:29 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's it take to be a market maker ?

14:45:17 ThickAsThieves: https://hitbtc.com/mm

14:45:18 assbot: Conditions for Market Makers / hitbtc

14:48:54 mircea_popescu: so as a mpex update : all 8 drives + the raid controller are going to be cut up. replacements are going in. mpex won't be back today, but i expect it to be back tomorrow.

14:48:56 mircea_popescu: FabianB ^

14:49:30 ThickAsThieves: dont forget to tweet that all our bitcoins are safe too

14:50:08 mircea_popescu: well i would if only i hadn't killed andreas.

14:50:23 mircea_popescu: but yes, bitcoin has nothing to do with this, this is the trade engine.

14:52:49 pankkake: so you don't want to ask for your twitter account back?

14:53:03 mircea_popescu: what, for free ?

14:53:12 pankkake: yes

14:53:25 mircea_popescu: mno.

14:53:25 pankkake: they have not invented the unban-for-pay yet

14:53:30 mircea_popescu: twitter wants me tweeting, it gotta pay.

14:54:18 mircea_popescu: the trial account has gone as far as it'll go.

14:54:55 indiancandy1: mm

14:55:00 pankkake: well, for now redditards think they accomplished something

14:55:10 mircea_popescu: they have lol.

14:55:25 mircea_popescu: they made twitter an iota less relevant.

14:55:30 pankkake: teaching them to be a mob?

14:55:47 mircea_popescu: which i guess is good for reddit, in some perspective.

14:55:58 pankkake: 0 is 0 - I'm not arguing that you should twit, twitter is an useless website for useless people etc.

14:56:17 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> they made twitter an iota less relevant. < just like a drop of shit can ruin a bottle of wine, a drop of wine doesnt fix the bottle of shit, ya know.

14:56:36 mircea_popescu: pankkake you know, that account is old. i had a two year or so gap in there, some time they "upgraded" their website.

14:57:28 pankkake: what am I arguing for is, show them they accomplished nothing

14:58:27 pankkake: twit "Hail ISIS, behead Roger Ver and Andreas Whatshispoulos"

14:58:35 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nolo contendere

14:58:52 mircea_popescu: pankkake why should it be upon me to educate other people's children ?

14:59:09 mircea_popescu: let them think whatever they wish, they'll stil get killed if they step on the line.

14:59:13 mike_c: isn't that what you're doing here?

14:59:34 mircea_popescu: mike_c only accidentally.

15:00:04 mircea_popescu: i mean, i don't in any sense mind if it happens, but it's not a goal.

15:03:16 chetty: best goals = ones you don't have

15:03:41 mircea_popescu: tell that to brazil.

15:03:48 ThickAsThieves: the goal is always better on the other side

15:05:51 mircea_popescu: so should i buy some APCs just in case argentina loses and then it's argentina-brazil for 3rd place ?

15:06:01 mircea_popescu: what's the odds on invasion ?

15:06:11 mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1

15:06:19 mircea_popescu: bish learn how to wot already, this is getting stale.

15:06:29 indiancandy1: okay im doing now

15:06:39 indiancandy1: did you see the game got put on pornhub young brazilians get fucked by entire german soccer team

15:07:11 ThickAsThieves: logs.bitcoin-assets.com

15:07:33 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/eEE7kcI.jpg

15:07:43 ThickAsThieves: oops

15:07:44 ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/

15:07:44 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

15:09:16 mircea_popescu: lol

15:10:44 mircea_popescu: ?These world-class formations contain even more energy resource potential than previously understood, which is important information as we continue to reduce our nation?s dependence on foreign sources of oil,? said Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell. ?We must develop our domestic energy resources armed with the best available science, and this unbiased, objective information will help private, nonprofit an

15:10:45 mircea_popescu: d government decision makers at all levels make informed decisions about the responsible development of these resources.?

15:10:45 mircea_popescu: A key component of President Obama?s all-of-the-above energy strategy is the availability of sound science to guide informed decision-making regarding the safe and responsible development of America?s domestic energy resources.

15:10:47 mircea_popescu: ?The USGS undertook this assessment of the Bakken and Three Forks Formations as part of a nationwide project assessing U.S. petroleum basins using standardized methodology and protocol,? said Acting Director of the USGS Suzette Kimball. ?Through this improved understanding of our energy resources, government, industry, and citizens are better able to understand our domestic energy mix and make wiser decisions fo

15:10:52 mircea_popescu: r the future.?

15:11:02 mircea_popescu: all this fucking insistence on how it's scientific and standardised and everything makes me suspicious already.

15:11:19 mircea_popescu: fortunately i'm not into minerals.

15:11:41 ThickAsThieves: thats a lot of words to not say much

15:11:55 ThickAsThieves: we looked at energy and decided we need to be smart about energy

15:12:21 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah it's this supposedly major deposit in dakota, upgraded from 3bn barrels to 7bn,

15:12:32 mircea_popescu: tho afaik previously it was held as unproductive.

15:12:40 ThickAsThieves: scamz

15:12:50 los_pantalones: they used to vertical drill

15:12:52 los_pantalones: now they are fracking

15:12:58 los_pantalones: and it's quite successful

15:13:09 mircea_popescu: yeah i was gonna say, this is shale

15:13:13 los_pantalones: yes

15:13:17 mircea_popescu: so better tech may account for it.

15:13:39 los_pantalones: they put a pipe in a 3 ft wide layer of rock 10k feet below ground

15:14:00 los_pantalones: and 10-20k feet horizontal

15:16:12 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones they still holding on to that gulf moratorium ? or did that go away

15:16:18 mircea_popescu: i've really not been following energy

15:17:01 nubbins`: "unproductive" is dynamic anyway

15:17:19 nubbins`: there was a time when western canada's tar sands were unproductive

15:17:26 mircea_popescu: true.

15:17:27 nubbins`: then the price of oil rose

15:18:03 nubbins`: they tried fracking inside a UNESCO world heritage site here last year

15:18:07 mircea_popescu: lol

15:18:11 indiancandy1: :(

15:18:12 mircea_popescu: how did that go ?

15:18:23 indiancandy1: i cant take this shit

15:18:25 nubbins`: everybody freaked the fuck out, now there's a fracking moratorium

15:18:35 nubbins`: golf claps all around

15:19:19 los_pantalones: gulf back open for biz, i believe

15:19:21 mircea_popescu: lol i wonder how her frustration graph looks

15:23:14 fluffypony: this is how I imagine stealing a shipping container would go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMS6iCrsqRA

15:23:14 assbot: Bieremy jak leci ! - YouTube

15:27:14 mircea_popescu: lol right

15:33:35 mircea_popescu: fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2yWIHCase0 this ore like it

15:33:35 assbot: Forklift truck Crash with container on it - YouTube

15:33:48 fluffypony: *clicks*

15:35:35 ThickAsThieves: http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/07/09/copay-beta-an-open-source-multisig-wallet.html

15:35:36 assbot: Copay (beta), An Open Source Multisig Wallet | The BitPay Blog

15:35:39 fluffypony: omw

15:35:46 fluffypony: that poor driver

15:36:09 mircea_popescu: fucking dangerous these things, because people are tards and don't properly balance them

15:36:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.0153515 = 0.5066 BTC [-] {4}

15:36:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01401 = 0.7005 BTC [-]

15:36:52 los_pantalones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqYAQb_f3Y

15:36:52 assbot: Epic Forklift Fail Compilation Part 2 - YouTube

15:37:01 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLHP9h8zYD0 << anyway this one is fresh and was lulzy

15:37:01 assbot: Container ship sails straight to shore - Hong Kong April 6, 2014 - YouTube

15:41:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.01638889 = 0.6556 BTC [+]

15:41:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.01401 = 0.5604 BTC [-]

15:56:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 38 @ 0.0160001 = 0.608 BTC [-]

16:00:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.75509789 BTC to 11`739 shares, 14951 satoshi per share

16:50:26 benkay: <mircea_popescu> TheNewDeal what's an asshole in the dark. // huh i coulda sworn you were talking about the differences just recently

17:10:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1000 @ 0.00085105 = 0.8511 BTC [-]

17:12:13 jurov: wow is this second longest mpex downtime ever?

17:20:37 chetty: <jurov> yeah mpex seems to eat disk drives

17:23:17 pankkake: no ssds?

17:37:26 Mats_cd03: ssds are anathema

17:37:55 pankkake: why?

17:48:35 Mats_cd03: with the added cost you get faster io. i bet mpex isn't io bound

17:49:15 mircea_popescu: jurov: wow is this second longest mpex downtime ever? yea.

17:49:42 Mats_cd03: wear leveling TRIM silent and catastrophic failure modes etc

17:49:53 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the only problem with ssds is that they're more difficult to properly decomission

17:50:27 Mats_cd03: define decommission

17:50:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not hard at all! magnesium ribbon.

17:51:01 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 remove from production

17:51:07 kakobrekla: blend them.

17:51:26 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: blend << nope. enemy will fish out intact dies.

17:51:39 kakobrekla: from dust?

17:51:58 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: go blend a thumb drive, see what you get.

17:52:05 kakobrekla: this

17:52:06 kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2eNhPC8wCQ&feature=kp

17:52:06 assbot: "Will It Blend" Series Tests Patriot Flash Drive for Durability - YouTube

17:52:07 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: owing to what is basically two layers of raid?

17:52:36 asciilifeform: other, 'gentle' idea, dissolve 'windows' into the eeprom with nitric acid. replace cover. when time to decommission, use a UV lamp.

17:52:51 asciilifeform: the drive can even be sold after this, or used in 'civilian' application.

17:53:00 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 well yes, for one thing they're in a 1+0 raid. for the other thing it';s not like i'm letting them reach the end of wear levelling

17:53:22 mircea_popescu: higher end drives have good diags on the drive anyway.

17:53:38 kakobrekla: baj

17:53:39 kakobrekla: bah

17:53:49 kakobrekla: the problem of that video is that its not full enough

17:53:54 kakobrekla: see here

17:53:54 kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rofgMueCOqo

17:53:55 assbot: Will It Blend? - iPhone 5 vs Galaxy S3 - YouTube

17:53:58 kakobrekla: it is DUST.

17:54:15 kakobrekla: tell me what you gonna get out of that phone

17:54:30 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla usable nand memories can be 1sq mm

17:54:51 kakobrekla: pour it down the drain

17:55:03 kakobrekla: spread the ashes by the sea

17:55:14 mircea_popescu: well im not actually doing this at home.

17:55:15 kakobrekla: while taking your girls for a walk

17:55:23 kakobrekla: well how do you know its done then

17:55:27 ThickAsThieves: aha! ive secured 1mm of mpex drive!

17:55:29 mircea_popescu: so what, im going to ask for oceanview in my provision spec ?

17:55:32 ThickAsThieves: youre done for

17:56:20 kakobrekla: anyway blending and proper disposal of dust = win

17:57:34 asciilifeform: other variant: you can get a 100mW diode laser for 100 usd or so. zap the dies right through the package.

17:58:03 kakobrekla: harder to get blind with a blender.

17:58:07 mircea_popescu: currently i wanna find out what the holy shit is happening tho, because this ain't normal.

17:58:11 asciilifeform: one could even set up an array of these, in sealed box, for a given type of drive

17:58:12 mircea_popescu: then they can just get incinerated.

17:58:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still have mains power issues ?

17:58:49 mircea_popescu: nope.

17:59:31 pankkake: Mats_cd03: modern ssds give detailed SMART data, and have far less returns than hard drives. moreover, scrubs and rebuilds of RAIDs are much faster

17:59:48 asciilifeform: nope as in 'installed guaranteed sinusoidal power source', eliminated the possibility even in theory ?

18:00:07 pankkake: hard drives used to have that premium 5 year warranty, it's gone down to 3 years, while premium ssds now offer 10 years

18:00:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope as in nothing shows up on measurements.

18:01:25 mircea_popescu: pankkake Mats_cd03 i was on the ssds suck technologically bandwagon for many years. the past few however it's pretty much groundless.

18:01:28 mircea_popescu: ssds matured.

18:01:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider posting a firmware dump of one such drive.

18:02:17 jborkl: mpex offline?

18:02:58 asciilifeform: example of how to get 'shell' on a 'seagate' disk: https://sites.google.com/site/seagatefix/Home

18:02:58 assbot: Fixing a Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drive

18:03:44 asciilifeform: (yes - you can fuck with the os of an hdd. i hope this is a 'revelation' to no one.)

18:03:48 pankkake: the only issue with a SSD is a security one. if you use full disk encryption, you have to consider that the "change key" operation might leave a copy of the old key in the spare area

18:04:11 asciilifeform: pankkake: any disk crypt scheme where the key lives on disk is nuttery

18:04:32 asciilifeform: as if spindle drives didn't swap sectors silently

18:05:48 pankkake: I don't mean private key, I mean the metadata block. i.e. what luks does

18:05:56 pankkake: it's awfully convenient

18:07:33 chetty: convenient tends to = risky

18:10:03 Mats_cd03: so encrypt swap with a random key?

18:10:05 pankkake: http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-6/disques-durs.html http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-7/ssd.html (stats from biggest French retailer)

18:10:05 assbot: Disques durs - Les taux de retour des composants (10) - HardWare.fr

18:10:06 assbot: SSD - Les taux de retour des composants (10) - HardWare.fr

18:10:19 asciilifeform: know what else is 'convenient'? surrendering.

18:10:34 asciilifeform: if insist on convenient, just go to enemy & surrender.

18:11:24 pankkake: it just means I cannot change my key securely, and have to rewrite the data. so what?

18:11:31 kakobrekla: dont be the party pooping deer.

18:11:58 chetty: <asciilifeform> if insist on convenient, just go to enemy & surrender.<<+1

18:12:11 Mats_cd03: does LUKS even default to including metadata? iirc it was plain format

18:12:49 pankkake: no, LUKS *is* the metadata

18:13:05 mircea_popescu: since we're on this, http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/173108-researchers-crack-the-worlds-toughest-encryption-by-listening-to-the-tiny-sounds-made-by-your-computers-cpu

18:13:05 assbot: Researchers crack the world’s toughest encryption by listening to the tiny sounds made by your computer’s CPU | ExtremeTech

18:13:08 mircea_popescu: mostly for the pic

18:13:12 asciilifeform: old news

18:13:25 asciilifeform: dissected here ~2 months ago

18:14:28 mircea_popescu: wait, and luks isnt ?!

18:14:58 asciilifeform: !s inductors

18:14:59 assbot: 9 results for 'inductors' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=inductors

18:15:33 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2013#425691

18:15:33 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

18:19:35 mircea_popescu: Girls Around Me is a simple app that takes your location, and then queries Foursquare and Facebook?s location APIs to find any girls (or boys) that are geographically close. You?re then shown a map, powered by Google, with faces (pulled from Facebook profiles) pinned to it.

18:19:37 mircea_popescu: !up colinistheman

18:19:49 mircea_popescu: i can't believe THAT didn't sell for 20bn

18:19:58 asciilifeform: 'girls around me' << ancient scandal. as i recall, it was censored.

18:20:39 colinistheman: Hi guys

18:20:40 mircea_popescu: "whores around me" would prolly work even better.

18:20:50 colinistheman: Thought I'd drop back in mircea

18:21:05 mircea_popescu: colinistheman wb. so, mind getting in the wot so i can get bb his knife ?

18:21:10 asciilifeform: 'whores around me' << if 'uber taxi', why not this.

18:21:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually... taxi callgirl!

18:21:37 asciilifeform: aye.

18:22:05 colinistheman: What do I do exactly?

18:22:11 mircea_popescu: "send me three at 48th and 9th." " with girls or without ?" "umm bob... your gf coming ? uhh... ok, two with one without please"

18:22:29 colinistheman: I added 15 new knives today. They are at the bottom of the page when it's set to "unsorted"

18:22:42 mircea_popescu: colinistheman http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

18:22:42 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

18:24:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just as people who never considered becoming cabbies are now whoring in 'uber', 'whores around me' would probably work the same magic in its own field.

18:24:19 asciilifeform: and, naturally, such an app could only work in btc

18:24:26 mircea_popescu: naturally.

18:24:33 mircea_popescu: i guess we gotta build our own phone.

18:24:57 asciilifeform: why does everything have to run on a pNohe ?

18:25:25 colinistheman: this series of instructions is a little overwhelming

18:25:30 colinistheman: i've never used a GPG key before

18:26:05 jurov: colinistheman you can start with btc addy

18:26:17 colinistheman: that sounds easier

18:26:25 colinistheman: you mean, instead of a key?

18:26:30 jurov: but gpg is basic education around here

18:26:40 colinistheman: I'll probably have to learn it at some point

18:26:59 mircea_popescu: indeed.

18:27:10 jurov: yes btc addy has privkey and can sign things

18:27:21 Mats_cd03: ;;tslb

18:27:27 mircea_popescu: btc is like, yu know, the car. it doesn't exist out of a vacuum. if yu want to be a decen mechanic, and even to be a good driver

18:27:29 gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 22 seconds ago

18:27:39 mircea_popescu: you'll have to know about things a little under the hood, like encryption

18:28:19 chetty: well at least learn to change a tire before you get behind the wheel

18:29:24 colinistheman: ;;eregister colinistheman 1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS

18:29:24 gribble: Error: '1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

18:29:35 colinistheman: oh, I thought you said I could use my public key

18:29:43 colinistheman: *bitcoin key

18:30:03 mike_c: ;;bcregister

18:30:04 gribble: (bcregister <nick> <bitcoinaddress>) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key <bitcoinaddress> with <nick>. <bitcoinaddress> should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

18:30:25 mircea_popescu: i wonder why this is a common mistake

18:30:36 colinistheman: ;;bcregister colinistheman 1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS

18:30:37 gribble: Request successful for user colinistheman, hostmask colinistheman!~colinisth@unaffiliated/colinistheman. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a

18:30:53 colinistheman: it's in the instructions, but the instructions do not show the command ;;bcregister

18:31:21 mircea_popescu: http://www.propublica.org/images/ngen/gypsy_big_image/gt_fort_meade_630x420_130830.jpg << one wonders, why the fuck not just make a garage already.

18:31:35 mircea_popescu: ah i see

18:31:53 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik - world's largest parking lot.

18:32:34 jurov: cuz all underground levels got claimed?

18:33:02 asciilifeform: underground parking is only built when land costs something

18:33:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform land costs a lot.

18:33:30 asciilifeform: not to usg

18:33:32 mircea_popescu: i can probably identify employees by the age old "distance to gate" metric

18:33:36 mircea_popescu: it's hierarchical after al.

18:33:53 mircea_popescu: i can probably use the satellite pics to uncover the entire lift of employees.

18:33:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even easier. most u.s. military installations have named (!) parking spots for the brass

18:34:04 mircea_popescu: for that matter, i probably already have.

18:34:09 asciilifeform: 'this spot belongs to Col. Smith'

18:34:13 mircea_popescu: so yes, it costs a shitton

18:34:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, in sum, if i were co there i'd fire myself over this pic.

18:35:02 colinistheman: ;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a]

18:35:02 gribble: Error: "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a" is not a valid command.

18:35:08 mircea_popescu: no []

18:35:13 colinistheman: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a

18:35:13 gribble: Error: No outstanding encryption-based request found.

18:35:25 mircea_popescu: bcverify

18:35:32 colinistheman: ;;bcverify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a

18:35:32 gribble: Error: Authentication failed. Please try again.

18:35:39 colinistheman: I am honestly confused as to what I am doing right now

18:35:49 mircea_popescu: me too. wtf that failed ?!

18:35:52 jurov: this doesn't look like btc signature

18:35:53 colinistheman: it says error

18:36:04 mircea_popescu: oh.

18:36:09 mircea_popescu: colinistheman you gotta encrypt it

18:36:32 colinistheman: ok I will have to give this more attention and try again later

18:36:37 jurov: didn't you just publish your privkey?

18:36:48 mircea_popescu: jurov looks like the challenge string

18:36:52 asciilifeform: lol

18:36:53 colinistheman: no private key

18:37:02 jurov: ic

18:37:09 colinistheman: ok I will have to give this more attention and try again later

18:37:16 asciilifeform: incidentally, someone (with coin to spare) should do this experiment.

18:37:31 asciilifeform: throw a 1 btc privkey somewhere, count how long until snarfed

18:38:15 colinistheman: I am wondering if this will be worth my time

18:38:28 rithm: nope.

18:38:35 colinistheman: lol

18:38:41 jurov: colinistheman: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication

18:38:44 assbot: Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki

18:38:52 mircea_popescu: colinistheman this is pretty much the only thing you could be doing that's worth your time.

18:39:22 colinistheman: It's over my head sorry. I am a busy man

18:39:23 rithm: shhhh mircea_popescu don't lie to the guy

18:39:51 mircea_popescu: you know what the vietnamese fisherman working for two rice patties a day said ?

18:39:58 rithm: nuh uh

18:40:03 mircea_popescu: that he's a busy man.

18:40:18 *: rithm facedesks

18:40:24 colinistheman: luckily i sell knives instead of rice

18:40:27 colinistheman: higher profit margin

18:40:28 mircea_popescu: rithm hey, you were asking for it.

18:40:32 colinistheman: and automated sales coming in is great

18:40:34 fluffypony: colinistheman: pity you sell shitty knives

18:40:44 colinistheman: why the mean?

18:40:51 FabianB: $traded

18:40:52 fluffypony: no Fallkniven, no Benchmade

18:40:59 rithm: colinistheman but sderiously registering an identity is super important

18:41:04 rithm: no one will take you seriously

18:41:07 fluffypony: just the normal crap that Americans buy because they read it was good on /r/survival

18:41:26 colinistheman: http://knives4bitcoin.com/products/german_damascus_vg-10_knife,_speed_assisted_ao_large_folding_knives_pocket_g-10.php

18:41:27 assbot: Knives4Bitcoin.com - German Damascus VG-10 Knife, Speed Assisted A/O Large Folding Knives Pocket G-10

18:41:29 rithm: until you give gribble a handjob

18:41:39 colinistheman: fluffypony: That one is a nice knife

18:41:47 colinistheman: handmade 200 layers of damascus steel

18:41:57 mircea_popescu: i thought damascus steel was a lost recipe

18:41:59 fluffypony: colinistheman: anything with Damascus steel is fun, but that doesn't mean it has a movement that will withstand abuse

18:42:02 colinistheman: I have a limited number of them.

18:42:05 rithm: oh so spam is the game

18:42:08 rithm: i see now

18:42:23 colinistheman: any steel can be abused. obviously you have to know how to take care of your knife.

18:42:30 colinistheman: such as oiling it

18:42:52 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes - the original method is no longer known, but the modern equivalent is still pretty awesome in terms of how it keeps its edge

18:43:13 colinistheman: it's also made with high carbon steel so it holds the edge better for that reason as well

18:43:46 mircea_popescu: isn't high carbon bad ?

18:43:49 mircea_popescu: as in, pig iron ?

18:44:02 colinistheman: 1095hc is a good steel. you have to keep it oiled tho

18:44:11 colinistheman: holds an edge better than 440 stainless

18:44:19 rithm: but rusts

18:44:25 colinistheman: yes, as does all high carbon steel

18:44:26 colinistheman: that's the trade off

18:44:30 colinistheman: but oiling it after use keeps it good

18:44:42 colinistheman: liek i said yhou have to know how to care for it

18:45:04 rithm: what about leaving fresh blood on the blade?

18:45:12 rithm: is that a lubricant or oxidizing agent?

18:45:20 colinistheman: lol

18:45:23 colinistheman: oxidizing

18:45:34 rithm: i wasn't sure thanks!

18:45:36 colinistheman: ok :)

18:45:46 Mats_cd03: lol

18:45:49 colinistheman: yeah, blood, guts, water, all bad for knives

18:45:57 colinistheman: but its ok to use them as long as you clean them up

18:46:05 mircea_popescu: josh's blood is prolly a derperizing agent.

18:47:10 rithm: stop joshing around

18:47:30 mircea_popescu: a ok

18:47:30 fluffypony: heh

18:48:04 mircea_popescu: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/speculative-attack/ << check out what our friend came up with

18:48:05 assbot: Speculative Attack | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute

18:48:26 mircea_popescu: a new name for gresham's law.

18:48:31 mircea_popescu: !up CryptOprah

18:49:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, this part's goo :

18:49:39 mircea_popescu: Second, they misunderstand how strong currencies like bitcoin overtake weak currencies like the dollar: it is through speculative attacks and currency crises caused by investors, not through the careful evaluation of tech journalists and 'mainstream consumers'.

18:50:02 colinistheman: if I feel adventurous in setting up all this stuff later I'll be back. g'day!

18:50:20 rithm: ya''l scared him away

18:50:29 mircea_popescu: i like how people keep pretending like they got an option and whatnot.

18:51:21 mircea_popescu: nothing quite like the illusion of immediate control.

18:55:07 mircea_popescu: anyway, all our friend needs to do now is look up to see who's doing the speculative attacks against the dollar and he'll be like i dunno... five steps ahead of the crowd ?

18:57:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who's doing the speculative attacks against the dollar << 'a dead lion can be kicked even by a donkey'

18:58:14 mircea_popescu: how about a desperate, moribund lion ?

18:58:48 asciilifeform: that one will slam into walls often. less work for donkey.

19:00:51 punkman: http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/9/5883651/texas-lawyer-sues-tor-for-providing-tools-used-by-revenge-porn-site

19:00:52 assbot: Texas lawyer sues Tor for providing tools used by revenge porn site | The Verge

19:02:23 mircea_popescu: lol "sues tor"

19:02:37 mircea_popescu: ima fall over myself laughing if the us navy ends up paying this guy

19:03:22 asciilifeform: lawyers can also have problems.

19:03:31 punkman: hilarious lawyer: https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/233081133?access_key=key-WFujAqEI3BioFxNO43R3

19:04:40 mircea_popescu: he's suing an actual party it seems

19:10:38 punkman: https://twitter.com/MeanTXLawyer/status/459698519771582464

19:10:39 assbot: So many places I wish I could be now. Buddy's bachelor party. NRA annual meeting. AmRen conference. But alas, low on funds :(

19:11:18 mircea_popescu: don't worry assbot. you're here with us and that's ass that matters.

19:13:35 punkman: http://revengepornwar.blogspot.com/ another genius here

19:13:35 assbot: Dispatches from the Revenge Pornography War

19:13:39 benkay: <mircea_popescu> i wonder why this is a common mistake // it turns out that making interfaces that normal humans find intuitive is actually hard.

19:14:09 mircea_popescu: in this case the problem seems to be that ;;bc stuff is never mentioned explicitly.

19:14:29 mircea_popescu: was about to bitch about it, but then i realised there's wisdom in moiety's terseness.

19:14:40 benkay: interface is education

19:14:44 mircea_popescu: let the lazy have extra chances to self humiliation, it's a good selection exercise.

19:14:57 benkay: and seriously - use gpg.

19:15:13 benkay: it's not like your .gnupg dir will expire, unlike your wallet backups.

19:15:43 mircea_popescu: punkman the notion that anyone still cares...

19:15:55 mircea_popescu: benkay but some are busy people.

19:16:26 benkay: 160 hours a week in the paddy

19:16:35 chetty: something very wrong when you are too busy to stretch your mind

19:17:02 rithm: http://hyperledger.com/faqs.html#hackednode

19:17:07 rithm: oooh hyper-ledger

19:17:50 mircea_popescu: "If a node gets hacked there are only a few ways it can impact the system, but it can?t force good nodes to accept forged transfers. Generally, individual bad nodes will quickly be automatically identified and expelled from the consensus pool."

19:17:53 mircea_popescu: that made a lot of sense.

19:18:12 rithm: dude it's cooler than bitcoin it's hyper

19:18:16 rithm: and it's a ledger

19:18:24 rithm: no 51%!!!!!

19:19:00 mircea_popescu: "Bobynin's voice rang like metal on metal. 'I can see the difference between you and me: you need me, but I don't need you.'"

19:19:04 rithm: What if there are two ledgers with the same name in different pools?

19:19:04 rithm: This is an open question up for discussion

19:19:07 rithm: lololol

19:20:32 mircea_popescu: hahah

19:20:37 mircea_popescu: better reg that name.

19:21:15 rithm: hyperbank

19:21:22 rithm: hypercash

19:21:28 rithm: hyperdollars

19:22:06 mircea_popescu: begging for hyperherp

19:22:29 rithm: discuss: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/486926129409052672

19:22:30 assbot: I can no longer have even the smallest association with the Bitcoin Foundation, because of the complete lack of transparency

19:23:43 fluffypony: hah

19:23:47 fluffypony: it took him this long to realise that?

19:23:47 Mats_cd03: so brave

19:24:02 mircea_popescu: you see what a good killing does to people ?

19:24:15 mircea_popescu: can he stil have association with neobee ? anyone asked him yet ?

19:25:35 rithm: can i ask for a refund for my bitcoin foundation donation

19:25:45 rithm: i'd like to take that back

19:26:11 rithm: i'm an enabler

19:26:20 kakobrekla: donation implies onewaynesses

19:26:58 mircea_popescu: rithm lots of dumb things you can't take back. way the world goes.

19:27:19 rithm: superman did it that one time

19:27:34 benkay: that entropic gradient...

19:28:35 mircea_popescu: did he spin on a dildo really fast ?

19:29:30 asciilifeform: 'You ever drop an egg and on the floor you see it break? / You go and get a mop so you can clean up your mistake. / But did you ever stop to ponder why we know it's true, / if you drop a broken egg you will not get an egg that's new. / That's entropy...'

19:30:14 mircea_popescu: also known in romanian as "copilu' minune minca gem si caca prune"

19:30:32 mircea_popescu: ie, the wunderkid, eatin' jam an' shittin' prunes.

19:36:45 nubbins`: heh

19:36:55 nubbins`: drinking wine and pissing grape juice

19:37:29 HyperChetty: http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Rocket-alert-sirens-sound-in-Zichron-Yaakov-120-km-north-of-Gaza-362087

19:37:29 assbot: Hamas: We attempted to hit the nuclear reactor in Dimona | JPost | Israel News

19:38:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0372999 = 0.5968 BTC [+]

19:38:11 mircea_popescu: i wonder what these people think hitting a nuclear plant will do.

19:38:24 mircea_popescu: i mean unless they've got actual bunker busters they're no treaching the core. so...

19:38:24 asciilifeform: see french example

19:38:32 asciilifeform: (answer: nothing)

19:39:00 asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/20/world/antitank-rockets-are-fired-at-french-nuclear-reactor.html


19:40:07 asciilifeform: still a headache for the folks who have to walk around with clipboard, check off what needs new paint job

19:40:25 nubbins`: more of a make-work project than an attack

19:40:31 mircea_popescu: myeah.

19:43:40 fluffypony: ;;later tell darlidada everything seems to be working 100%, need your email address to create the user account for you - let me know

19:43:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:43:56 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot cazalla

19:43:56 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cazalla!cazalla@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe73:590b. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014

19:44:44 Mats_cd03: iron dome paying dividends; thanks uncle sam

19:44:58 nubbins`: so i printed some nice big 18x24" posters today

19:45:06 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/GGg3JC2

19:45:07 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

19:45:48 mircea_popescu: who's jess smith

19:46:00 nubbins`: one third of Pink Eye :D

19:46:23 Mats_cd03: im sure hamas'd have better luck pointing rockets at power stations

19:46:26 mircea_popescu: how anti-french of you three.

19:46:31 Mats_cd03: whoevers running the show, sucks

19:46:43 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 o bviously they're going for pr.

19:46:53 nubbins`: http://theovercast.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/PinkEye.jpg

19:47:03 nubbins`: almost looks like we know what we're doing

19:48:02 mircea_popescu: woa dude you look old. i always saw you as this peter pan sorta 22 yo

19:48:16 nubbins`: lel

19:48:18 nubbins`: nah, old man

19:49:23 nubbins`: in fact, that french rocket attack article was published 10 days before i was born ;o

19:51:16 asciilifeform: 'In France protesters fired an RPG-7 grenade-launcher at the reactor of a nuclear power station. Where they got the Soviet-made weapon I do not know. Perhaps it was just lying there at the roadside. But if it was a spetsnaz officer who had the good fortune to meet those people and provide them with their hardware, he would without further ado have been given a Red Banner medal and promotion. The senior officers

19:51:16 asciilifeform: of the GRU have a particular dislike of Western nuclear power stations, which reduce the West's dependence on imported oil (including Soviet oil) and make it stronger and more independent. They are one of spetsnaz's, most important targets.'

19:51:35 asciilifeform: (suvorov, 'spetsnaz.' http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/index.html)

19:51:35 assbot: --

19:52:04 nubbins`: interesting

19:53:08 mircea_popescu: d'oh.

19:53:09 nubbins`: alf, i bet you've got quite the collection of books in your study

19:53:18 asciilifeform: who doesn;t

19:53:34 nubbins`: many

19:53:54 Mats_cd03: related, http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2014/02/05/qa-what-you-need-to-know-about-attacks-on-the-u-s-power-grid/

19:53:55 assbot: Q&A: What You Need to Know About Attacks on the U.S. Power Grid - Corporate Intelligence - WSJ

19:54:21 asciilifeform: 'what you need to know' - 'nothing.' (usg)

19:54:24 nubbins`: "We need to make books cool again. If you go home with somebody and they don't have books, don't fuck them." -John Waters

19:54:55 Mats_cd03: tl;dr cooling room filled with bullets, station subsequently fails to cool, suspects utilize AKs and cover of darkness to circumvent shit security

19:55:10 asciilifeform: phun phact re: substations. the transformers are quite expensive, not many are manufactured.

19:56:12 nubbins`: right, isn't this the reason a solar flare or w/e could fuck us all royally?

19:57:05 asciilifeform: copper thieves have destroyed considerably more mains transformers in usa than saboteurs with kalash, but the news blackout regarding these is nearly total.

19:57:25 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i much prefer clueless-ignorant women to misguided-ignorant women.

19:57:48 mircea_popescu: someone with no books i'd fuck. someone with a shitton of "social studies" and assorted crap published the past century i definitely wouldn't

19:58:01 mircea_popescu: but i'd count it as a major personal failure if i somehow ended up going home with them in the first place.

19:58:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not newsworthy.

19:59:24 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://news360.com/article/247244651

19:59:27 assbot: GMO Mosquito Trial Has Reverse Effect, Causes Dengue Emergency

20:02:02 nubbins`: friend of mine had dengue, no fun

20:20:53 benkay: we were noodling on the homegrown EMP this morning.

20:27:20 Mats_cd03: ;;tslb

20:27:30 gribble: Time since last block: 8 minutes and 41 seconds

21:03:22 asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1

21:05:57 indiancandy1: hey friends

21:06:36 asciilifeform: greetings human.

21:10:44 benkay: shalom

21:11:07 indiancandy1: shalom aint heard that word in years

21:11:12 indiancandy1: you jewish?

21:11:19 indiancandy1: jambo

21:13:47 benkay: ;;ud jambo

21:13:48 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jambo | 99% of washing line crime convictions in 2013 were held accountable to 'jambo's' or the 'scumbos' as they have become better known. They mostly inhabit a ...

21:14:24 benkay: funny how gribble's not returning the website's #1 result for that.

21:17:06 benkay: http://online.wsj.com/articles/fed-sets-october-end-for-bond-buying-1404928864 // i thought the bond purchases were still in full force?

21:17:07 assbot: Fed Sets October End for Bond Buying - WSJ

21:18:45 mircea_popescu: o this should be interesting.

21:19:20 mike_c: sort of end. they are still going to buy bonds with interest on their existing bonds.

21:19:52 mircea_popescu: there's no practical difference between these.

21:21:45 mircea_popescu: what im curious is, what tiny nation will suddenly be buying 50x its gdp worth of us bonds this autumn

21:27:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ua, who else.

21:27:41 mircea_popescu: naa

21:28:16 mircea_popescu: it should have been sa if they weren't such annoying shitheads forcing the best country in thr world to rely on their 2nd pedo choice.

21:29:08 mircea_popescu: hk would have also been great, except... problems. maybe it can be arranged for japan ?

21:32:52 HyperChetty: <mircea_popescu> what im curious is, what tiny nation will suddenly be buying 50x its gdp worth of us bonds this autumn//the caliphate

21:33:19 mircea_popescu: with the saudis money, if they get that far ? perhaps.

21:33:25 mircea_popescu: !up ak_

21:33:54 asciilifeform: HyperChetty: insha'allah.

21:34:21 asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1

21:34:36 mircea_popescu: sooo... was the netherlands winning or what ?

21:35:01 indiancandy1: omg

21:35:11 indiancandy1: im on mfc and this guy just shot his load in his own mouth

21:35:13 indiancandy1: impresive

21:35:43 indiancandy1: hey friendsjambo is hello in swahilli btw

21:35:52 HyperChetty: world cup 0-0 so far

21:35:55 mod6: mircea_popescu: it's tied nil-nil, @ 75 min

21:36:23 mircea_popescu: mod6 near miss a minute ago ?

21:36:40 HyperChetty: maybe I heard some shouts

21:36:51 mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i thought you didn't do cams ?

21:37:00 mod6: didn't see, just caught score.

21:38:10 mircea_popescu: This man, whom Stalin had trusted, was Adolf Hitler.

21:38:10 mircea_popescu: Stalin had looked on with approval and malicious delight as Hitler had overrun Poland, France and Belgium, as his bombers had darkened the sky over England. Molotov had come back from Berlin thoroughly frightened; agents reported that Hitler was transferring his forces eastward; Hess flew to England, and Churchill had warned Stalin of an attack. Every jackdaw in the woods of Byelorussia and on the poplars of Galicia h

21:38:11 mircea_popescu: ad shrieked war. Every peasant woman in every market-place in Russia had prophesied war day in and day out. Only Stalin had remained unperturbed.

21:38:11 mircea_popescu: He had trusted Hitler...

21:38:25 mircea_popescu: o wow, so i'm not the only guy to have noticed stalin's boyish infatuation with hitler ?!

21:38:28 mircea_popescu: til.

21:38:29 indiancandy1: i do

21:38:36 indiancandy1: i do cam i just do toys

21:38:49 asciilifeform: suvorov (given name rezun) certainly noticed.

21:38:50 indiancandy1: find me

21:38:54 indiancandy1: xsexyindianx

21:41:07 mircea_popescu: do you use a burka or something ?

21:44:44 indiancandy1: a burka?

21:44:48 indiancandy1: im not muslom

21:47:07 Mats_cd03: lol

21:47:20 mod6: how about sharpies?

21:49:09 HyperChetty: muslim porn, whats that? ankles?

21:49:46 indiancandy1: ahaha

21:49:59 indiancandy1: i have a pic on my phone i wish i culd show u its a girl taing a selfie

21:50:13 indiancandy1: with a burka but the reflection of the mirror shes got a g string on

21:51:13 mircea_popescu: ;;google girl selfie burka mirror g string

21:51:14 gribble: Top 10 Jeremy Clarkson gaffes - Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8928665/Top-10-Jeremy-Clarkson-gaffes.html; What it really feels like to wear the 'burqa' | Mail Online - Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410376/What-really-feels-like-wear-burqa.html; Hundreds of burqa-clad Afghan women in rare protest against ...: (1 more message)

21:58:47 mod6: mircea_popescu: on the near miss, it sounds like someone kicked it into the side of the net around the 75 mark.

22:01:17 mod6: 30 minutes of extra time now, if still scoreless, i guess they go to penalty kicks

22:02:42 Mats_cd03: i wish it was unarmed single combat

22:03:40 mod6: to break the tie? i agree, penalty kicks are a shitty way to end a game.

22:05:17 thestringpuller: !up indiancandy1

22:08:54 indiancandy1: whats the score

22:11:32 mod6: nil - nil

22:13:47 benkay: "U.S. stocks rebounded after a two-day slide, as the Federal Reserve's meeting minutes soothed concerns over a potential increase in interest rates.

22:13:49 benkay: "

22:14:08 benkay: how does slowing down bond purchases imply a not increase in rates?

22:17:00 indiancandy1: ;;google satanic lesbians

22:17:01 gribble: Christian radio host: Disney's 'Frozen' is Satanic tool for ...: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/10/christian-radio-host-disneys-frozen-is-satanic-tool-for-indoctrinating-young-lesbians/; Gay and Satanist - In praise of Satan: http://inpraiseofsatan.webs.com/gayandsatanist.htm; When Satanic Lesbians, Lying Mothers, Love Triangles, Ex-Gays ...: http://www.autostraddle.com (1 more message)

22:19:51 thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats

22:19:54 gribble: Current Blocks: 309995 | Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 | Next Difficulty In: 468 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 17093222021.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.63368

22:20:07 thestringpuller: here comes the hash power

22:30:29 ThickAsThieves: benkay i'm pretty sure i just read an article that said the opposite of what you just pasted

22:32:10 ThickAsThieves: the more i read financial news, the less i believe it

22:32:35 ThickAsThieves: assuming the opposite is probly at least slightly closer to reality

22:36:36 mod6: extra time is over, penalty kick time

22:46:21 mod6: Argentina wins by pk's

22:46:25 mircea_popescu: o look at that lol

22:46:39 mircea_popescu: methinks im gonna go out in a bit and check out teh nuttery.

22:46:49 mod6: :D

22:48:12 mircea_popescu: <benkay> how does slowing down bond purchases imply a not increase in rates? << iwannabelieve.jpg

22:54:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 155 @ 0.03452288 = 5.351 BTC [-] {13}

22:56:51 asciilifeform: phun phact re: 'languages of the day' - http://effbot.org/pyfaq/why-isn-t-there-a-switch-or-case-statement-in-python.htm

22:56:51 assbot: Why isn't there a switch or case statement in Python?

22:57:01 asciilifeform: (answer: because derp)

23:05:35 mike_c: http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3103/

23:05:35 assbot: PEP 3103 -- A Switch/Case Statement

23:05:51 mike_c: the real answer is worse: "A quick poll during my keynote presentation at PyCon 2007 shows this proposal has no popular support. I therefore reject it."

23:06:13 mike_c: that's a herp and a derp.

23:06:47 asciilifeform: language with no macros, where chump can't fix this omission himself: herp, derp, and... zerp ?

23:06:55 asciilifeform: (what comes after derp...?)

23:07:02 cazalla: indiancandy1: can you put the keyboard on your head?

23:07:37 mike_c: i don't mind no macros, and i'm surprised you like them. macros are the death of readability.

23:07:45 asciilifeform: c macros.

23:07:57 mike_c: there are better ones?

23:08:05 asciilifeform: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispMacro

23:08:07 assbot: Lisp Macro

23:08:30 asciilifeform: proper macros make a language cleanly user-definable

23:08:44 asciilifeform: eliminating 'language feature' derp-conventions

23:09:30 mike_c: interesting.

23:38:09 justusranvier: mircea_popescu: When did you stop having a Twitter account?

23:39:10 justusranvier: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/326400019257257985