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Transcript for 09-08-2014, 748 lines:

00:09:30 BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid

00:09:35 BingoBoingo: !up praeconium

00:13:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9227 @ 0.00087892 = 8.1098 BTC [+] {2}

00:32:41 cazalla: BingoBoingo, have not watched league since i was a kid, it's not as popular as it once was

00:33:08 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I see.

00:33:41 cazalla: BingoBoingo, do you follow it?

00:34:01 BingoBoingo: Passively. NRL produces a lot of value bets

00:34:17 BingoBoingo: I also like how the NRL has betting ticket prices on their front page

00:36:04 cazalla: i imagine it's more about the betting than the game nowadays, they've had sports bet owners masquerading as commentators in the past, i wouldn't even let my kid watch it if he was old enough to do so

00:36:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00087552 = 14.9714 BTC [-] {3}

00:36:51 mircea_popescu: !up gilgameshugga

00:37:44 BingoBoingo: cazalla: I see. Still a better situation than NFL commentators.

00:39:42 mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski

00:44:16 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrkjd1CtFr1qlne6uo1_500.jpg this is the one guy she *really* likes.

00:45:23 decimation: !up

00:46:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00087383 = 2.2283 BTC [-]

00:51:20 mircea_popescu: $viagra

00:52:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00087907 = 8.5709 BTC [+]

01:03:45 cazalla: BingoBoingo, not really because the kids discuss the best odds instead of best players so they then think dad is making a wise choice when he bets the rent on a match because it's a lock, right?

01:04:33 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, you teach them the dangers of gambling, because of what idiots the commenters are.

01:09:23 BingoBoingo: http://www.animalnewyork.com/2014/unlike-ice-cream-shops-nyc-dairy-queen-refused-write-free-palestine-personalized-cake/

01:09:23 assbot: Unlike Other Ice Cream Shops, A NYC Dairy Queen Refused To Write "Free Palestine!" On A Personalized Cake - ANIMAL

01:10:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00087228 = 11.1521 BTC [-] {2}

01:11:12 mircea_popescu: !up deizel

01:30:12 BingoBoingo: %d

01:30:13 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 400732.72 in 31 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -41.68

01:31:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00087204 = 2.8341 BTC [-] {2}

01:32:50 BingoBoingo: social engineering as a service https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=728836.new#new

01:32:50 assbot: [WTS] LocalBitcoins Account: 10Mnths OLD/37Affiliates/27trades/100%/VERIFIED

01:35:10 BingoBoingo: !t m s.wol

01:35:10 assbot: [MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000042 / 0.0000488 / 0.00008888 (25900 shares, 1.26 BTC)

01:35:42 BingoBoingo: !mpif

01:35:43 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]

01:36:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00087374 = 3.9755 BTC [+]

01:39:11 decimation: re: laws: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/08/obama_executive_order_on_mandatory_arbitration_huge_news_for_workers_rights.html "he second part of the order is what Bland is so excited about. This provision says that companies with federal contracts worth more than $1 million can no longer force their employees out of court, and into arbitration, to settle accusations of workplace discrimination."

01:39:12 assbot: Obama executive order on mandatory arbitration: Huge news for workers’ rights.

01:42:10 decimation: there's this weird dynamic with leftists in the us - they hate the idea that courts treat corporations as people

02:07:06 mircea_popescu: decimation i have no idea what bs the "arbitration" thing is.

02:07:13 mircea_popescu: you can always sue. period.

02:07:29 mircea_popescu: that's the motherfucking point of a court system in the first place.

02:18:24 decimation: apparently there's this "private court" system called "arbitration"

02:19:10 decimation: where you go to a derp instead of a court to "decide" your case. It is standard procedure to agree to such a procedure in the "fine print" of most US contracts

02:19:20 mircea_popescu: not like you have to.

02:21:13 decimation: well, as you say, you can always sue, but the question is unsettled as far as I know: "The validity of arbitration clauses in the US is not a settled legal matter." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitration_in_the_United_States#Validity_of_arbitration_clauses

02:21:13 assbot: Arbitration in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:21:44 decimation: you can still sue, but the contract typically has language saying that you can't sue, so the courts decide whether the clause is valid

02:23:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6882 @ 0.0008765 = 6.0321 BTC [+] {2}

02:24:21 mircea_popescu: you don't have to sign a contract with an arbitration clause if you don't want to.

02:24:24 TheNewDeal: hash has gotta take a chill pill, got a few bitcents riding on this

02:24:37 mircea_popescu: and you can always trash it if it's one of those nonconsensual/foisted contracts

02:24:46 mircea_popescu: like the shit software producers throw on people

02:25:21 decimation: yes it's pretty much in that category

02:25:32 TheNewDeal: aapl says you can't use their software to develope nukes

02:25:40 TheNewDeal: what pretentious douchebagery

02:25:56 mircea_popescu: jesus so i'm just going to let these bitcoin-financials.com/net/org expire ? nobody wants em ?

02:26:05 mircea_popescu: talk about "valuable domain real estate" why don't you.

02:26:35 TheNewDeal: you own them?

02:26:39 decimation: domain squatting is hilarious

02:27:01 decimation: my understanding is that it is rare to get someone to pay real money for a domain

02:27:20 TheNewDeal: i'd consider purchasing one if you're just going to let it lapse

02:27:51 mircea_popescu: you can just have the lot. where am i pushing them ?

02:28:07 mircea_popescu: decimation myeah.

02:28:33 TheNewDeal: I dont know how to do this deal. The only time I've done a webpage is when my university hosted it

02:28:41 TheNewDeal: what do you mean by push?

02:29:01 decimation: typically you have to unlock the domain and then request a transfer to your registrar

02:30:43 TheNewDeal: whens the expiry?

02:32:48 decimation: Status: clientTransferProhibited

02:32:50 decimation: Updated Date: 18-oct-2013

02:32:51 decimation: Creation Date: 15-aug-2012

02:32:53 decimation: Expiration Date: 15-aug-2014

02:33:55 decimation: maybe you can interest nasdaq or the winklevii derps?

02:34:34 TheNewDeal: nono

02:34:39 TheNewDeal: ill even put down a deposit on this

02:34:49 TheNewDeal: what's with the clientransferrohibited though?

02:36:59 TheNewDeal: exscuse my ignorance, but godaddy is a domain name registrar?

02:37:19 TheNewDeal: trying to digest http://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=bitcoin-financial.com&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=09dz+m27lx6WqaHtiwaihkxfZ0L82P%2frXri9HSCZbNywqvB%2f+SYT7p8RNYHf+tn+M9yJ6dAX2hY%3d

02:37:22 assbot: Whois-Suche | Domainverfgbarkeit Registrierungsinformationen

02:37:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16467 @ 0.00087843 = 14.4651 BTC [+] {2}

02:37:55 decimation: yes, amoung the services they offer is domain registration

02:38:55 TheNewDeal: says bitcoin-financials.com expires in Feb 2015, is that correct?

02:39:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1047 @ 0.00193014 = 2.0209 BTC [+] {3}

02:39:58 decimation: I see the expirary date as listed above

02:43:21 TheNewDeal: odd

02:47:16 kakobrekla: <decimation> my understanding is that it is rare to get someone to pay real money for a domain < not my problem if they dont accept my 13$ offer

02:47:29 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well do you have a namecheap account ?

02:47:43 TheNewDeal: negatron

02:47:46 mircea_popescu: so make one

02:47:50 mircea_popescu: then tell me what it is

02:47:55 mircea_popescu: then i can push you teh domains and that';s that.

02:48:06 TheNewDeal: I'm an expert at signing up for shit...

02:48:30 decimation: kakbrekla: heh yeah I was just looking at domains, the whole thing feels like a scam, especially now that there are 158 tlds

02:48:32 mircea_popescu: and godaddy is an atrocious everything.

02:49:28 kakobrekla: decimation you do know there is autocomplete on irc?

02:49:46 kakobrekla: well in all the normal clients.

02:50:08 decimation: I'm using konversation, I haven't really taken the time to learn the keystrokes

02:50:29 kakobrekla: a ok wasnt sure

02:50:40 mircea_popescu: is konversation the kde thing ?

02:50:41 decimation: kakobrekla: yeah i guess tab does auto-complete, thanks for the tip :)

02:50:44 decimation: yes

02:51:14 kakobrekla: jus trying to make it easier on you, my name is a real sausage

02:51:25 mircea_popescu: mansausage.

02:52:09 mircea_popescu: omfg "expirary date" is the cutest misspelling ever.

02:53:19 decimation: mircea_popescu: so I need to find how to put a spell check on my irc, stream-of-conscience spelling doesn't work for me

02:54:13 TheNewDeal: ahhh cmon it doesnt matter that much

02:54:32 kakobrekla: doez 2!

02:54:40 decimation: spelling is kind of a victorian obsession anyway

02:54:43 TheNewDeal: doesnt''''

02:56:03 decimation: I want to move to an emacs-based chat client but I need to configure a cloud-host like ben_vulpes

02:57:16 decimation: cmd: Linux

03:10:12 mircea_popescu: ok, next giving up btcscoop.org.

03:10:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00087924 = 11.6939 BTC [+] {2}

03:10:15 mircea_popescu: anyone want it ?

03:10:30 mircea_popescu: there's gotta be some aspiring bitcoin journalist about.

03:12:38 TheNewDeal: hahaha

03:12:52 TheNewDeal: how many of these do you have?

03:14:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00088079 = 18.4085 BTC [+] {2}

03:14:43 artifexd: Do you have any that don't start with btc/bit/coin/etc? You know, for the seo potential.

03:19:37 TheNewDeal: just opened another beer before I finished the prior one. Sign of a good night

03:24:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10966 @ 0.00088092 = 9.6602 BTC [+] {2}

03:25:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00087299 = 23.2215 BTC [-] {4}

03:27:54 decimation: ah, the issue was the lack of hunspell-en

03:29:06 decimation: artifexd why would bit*coin be bad for seo?

03:30:25 TheNewDeal: wasn't there a fraudsters about this

03:30:56 TheNewDeal: I think the gist was that most new search engines play off only the first few letters one types

03:31:30 TheNewDeal: so if my website is "atc.blahblahblah" I just have to be more popular than the websites that start with a***, at*, atc***

03:32:12 decimation: yeah someone needs to make a better google

03:33:12 artifexd: http://fraudsters.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/

03:33:13 assbot: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:34:44 TheNewDeal: the thing about google now is, I think it matters much less the first couple times you type something

03:35:00 TheNewDeal: after the first few times*

03:35:09 TheNewDeal: because they're all personalized

03:41:26 decimation: yeah personalizing everything probably foils much of the seo silliness

03:45:39 decimation: !up praeconium

03:46:18 decimation: !up The20YearIRCloud

03:46:40 decimation: !up thestringpuller

03:51:55 The20YearIRCloud: yay, i have a voice

03:52:46 The20YearIRCloud: Still waiting to hear about the next step from the lender

03:54:30 decimation: The20YearIRCloud: do you rent to section 8 vouchers?

03:54:44 The20YearIRCloud: Right now we have 1 sec8 tenant

03:55:41 mircea_popescu: artifexd well nothing tonight

03:56:18 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 54.13365572 BTC. Current weight: 19,154.

03:57:30 decimation: it would be interesting to see the spread on a $1k usd bet ending 31 dec

03:58:18 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah

03:58:48 decimation: The20YearIRCloud: I've traveled through rural Ohio, and I can't figure out where people make money. Do they mostly commute to the cities?

03:58:49 The20YearIRCloud: I'm really excited with where things are headed, our ROI internally is very solid, and leverage is only going to make it more pronounced. Lots of properties out there and our tenatnt pool continues to grow larger than we can supply.

04:00:11 decimation: do you have a prospectus?

04:00:55 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, it's on Havelock, i'll dig up link soon.

04:01:17 The20YearIRCloud: the big thing is getting out from under our locked 6%-8%APY yield, we really can't unless we start selling off properties or leverage.

04:01:47 The20YearIRCloud: Here's the current prosectus decimation , we have a new one on the way - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9427554/Public%20release%20for%20RentalStarter.pdf

04:08:59 decimation: The20YearIRCloud: who writes your mortgages? local ohio banks?

04:14:11 decimation: or do you pay outright cash for the homes?

04:14:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00087187 = 5.0568 BTC [-]

04:17:44 decimation: !up The20YearIRCloud

04:18:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 100 @ 0.01466166 = 1.4662 BTC [-] {6}

04:25:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00087442 = 15.521 BTC [+] {2}

04:28:44 decimation: The20YearIRCloud: you are looking to buy properties with a total purchase + repair cost of less than 5 years rent - in most us cities properties go for 2-3 times that

04:29:58 artifexd: It takes work, but the deals are there if you look enough.

04:30:34 artifexd: The two properties that I own returned their entire purchase price in 15 months from rent.

04:30:45 decimation: I guess I need to figure out how to get a cheap foreclosure & then find an amish work team :)

04:31:19 artifexd: Are you in the US?

04:32:19 artifexd: You are correct though. Both properties were bought off the courthouse steps.

04:33:10 decimation: yeah I'm in the us

04:34:26 artifexd: See if your area is covered by realforeclose.com. For example all foreclosure auctions in my area are handled at https://www.duval.realforeclose.com/

04:34:28 assbot: R4C - Duval County

04:43:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00087468 = 10.8898 BTC [+]

04:44:35 decimation: wait duval county? Do you live in key west?

04:45:52 artifexd: Duval county is in North East Florida

04:46:01 decimation: err, no that's monroe county, sorry.

04:51:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.26215353 = 1.5729 BTC [-] {3}

05:19:56 mircea_popescu: $proxies

05:20:00 empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1057 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

05:20:20 mircea_popescu: $proxies mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com

05:20:21 empyex: mircea_popescu: Temporarily saved.

05:20:22 empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 568 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91

05:22:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15498 @ 0.00087587 = 13.5742 BTC [+] {2}

05:22:40 mircea_popescu: Ok, so Coinbase advertised (via a popup that appeared when I logged on) that if I complete my verification (which was already done), I'd get $5. It looked like a bug, but for $5 I clicked it anyway and apparently got nothing. And then of course like an idiot I complained about it on reddit. Now (several days later), I get $5 in bitcoin from Coinbase with a message that it's for completing my verification. Thank you Coi

05:22:40 mircea_popescu: nbase, for showing us what integrity is (you really didn't have to do that).

05:23:52 mircea_popescu: the breeding of a new type of tard.

05:24:09 decimation: I like the "complained on reddit" detail

05:25:32 mircea_popescu: i guess minimum wage is not 10 bux all over the us.

05:30:16 decimation: actually no, federal minimum is $7.25 I think

05:30:25 decimation: there's a 'movement' to raise it to $10.10

05:31:23 mircea_popescu: ah ok

05:31:27 decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/08/04/there-are-eight-states-left-with-minimum-wages-lower-than-the-federal-minimum-wage/

05:31:28 assbot: There are eight states left with minimum wages lower than the federal minimum wage - The Washington Post

05:31:32 decimation: wapo concern trolling

05:32:35 mircea_popescu: this is possibly the most incomprehensible part of liberal self contradiciton.

05:32:50 mircea_popescu: they are against voting franchises, because they disproportionately affect the poor, black, etc.

05:33:07 mircea_popescu: they are however in favour of minimum wages, the exact equivalent of the voting franchise

05:33:16 mircea_popescu: in spite of it... disproportionately affecting the poor etc.

05:33:31 mircea_popescu: let's make it so that low income people can't find any jobs, but let's not make it so they can't vote.

05:34:25 decimation: yes, it has often been noted that liberal policy leads to impoverishment of the poor and downtrodden

05:35:22 mircea_popescu: i guess rational consistency isn't that big a deal when one's got feeeehlings.

05:35:39 decimation: well, to be clear, it doesn't matter what you do as long as you keep me in power

05:36:06 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the dentist's http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnszynqXrB1qbhg4wo1_500.jpg

05:36:13 decimation: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnszynqXrB1qbhg4wo1_500.jpg

05:36:25 decimation: do'h I missed the copy paste

05:36:33 mircea_popescu: lol

05:37:16 decimation: elites who control the media & derpatrons keep the river of meat flowing, ensuring that their traditional enemies (rednecks, roughly) are crushed

05:38:17 decimation: except now the situation is such that the rednecks are almost completely beaten to submission, which is a problem ... when all the kulaks are dead, who do you blame for your failures?

05:38:31 mircea_popescu: well i guess bitcoin is jit then

05:39:32 decimation: yeah, it is. I wonder if you will see a white/minority divide on bitcoin uptake. I can almost see the headlines now: "digital have-nots need free "access" to bitcoin to live"

05:39:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00087924 = 3.8687 BTC [+]

05:42:04 decimation: like so: http://www.illinois.gov/dceo/whyillinois/TechnologyServices/Pages/EliminatetheDigitalDivide.aspx

05:42:05 assbot: Technology Services: Eliminate the Digital Divide 2014-15 Grant Program

05:53:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087965 = 12.2271 BTC [+]

05:54:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00087924 = 5.7151 BTC [-]

05:59:56 TheNewDeal: anybody out there?

06:03:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00088093 = 3.6118 BTC [+]

06:06:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22664 @ 0.00088119 = 19.9713 BTC [+] {3}

06:21:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.26865451 = 0.5373 BTC [+]

06:23:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 305 @ 0.00188044 = 0.5735 BTC [-] {7}

06:29:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.000874 = 5.5499 BTC [-]

06:45:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00087261 = 2.7051 BTC [-] {2}

07:11:30 []bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 24(Y):76(N) by weight. Total bet: 58.13365572 BTC. Current weight: 19,009.

07:37:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34812 @ 0.00087366 = 30.4139 BTC [+] {3}

08:04:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12951 @ 0.00087187 = 11.2916 BTC [-]

08:19:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14912 @ 0.00087187 = 13.0013 BTC [-]

09:03:54 fluffypony: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140808.png

09:07:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14460 @ 0.00087382 = 12.6354 BTC [+] {2}

09:09:01 mircea_popescu: fluffypony well at least it gets him to reorient towards writing nonsense supporting "global warming" so us comedians can talk about how 97% of "scientists" agree

09:09:12 mircea_popescu: as if that does anything.

09:10:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00086852 = 12.2027 BTC [-]

09:11:41 fluffypony: lol

09:13:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5072 @ 0.00086848 = 4.4049 BTC [-]

09:14:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10328 @ 0.00086751 = 8.9596 BTC [-]

09:20:17 mircea_popescu: lmao look at this, perezhilton still exists. xiaxue still exists.

09:21:36 mircea_popescu: nothing is less fleeting than internet fame huh.

09:25:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1188 @ 0.00086852 = 1.0318 BTC [+]

09:25:45 BingoBoingo: %d

09:27:11 BingoBoingo: Oh, new diff

09:35:01 mircea_popescu: http://www.girlwithaonetrackmind.blogspot.com

09:35:01 assbot: Girl with a one-track mind

09:35:17 mircea_popescu: "This is why I have not written about the most meaningful relationship of my life so far, or about my realising I want a life partner and children."

09:35:32 mircea_popescu: closed down a decade into it. author realises she'd rather be a mommy than a ho.

09:38:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00086738 = 17.5211 BTC [-] {3}

09:46:36 fluffypony: has anyone written a blog post on what exactly makes the Bitcoin Foundation such a stupid idea? I mean besides their uselessnes to date, I mean fundamentally why it would never have worked regardless of who was at the top

09:48:33 mircea_popescu: it would have worked fine with better people at the top.

09:49:17 mircea_popescu: so woul have the forum. if bitcointalk weren't run by a random 20yo kid with nary a clue of this world and a random gang of otherwise unemployable, it'd have not failed into the scam swamp of all time.

09:51:50 chetty: good people can make even bad ideas work

09:53:14 mircea_popescu: yeah, the more general point being that no structural considerations can ever excuse personal ineptitude. obama is a failure first and foremost because he, himself, personaly, is an imbecile, not nearly up to the task he asked to be allowed to undertake. every poor black person in jail is in jail because they, personally, are fucktards. the "system", family and all else come vehehehery distant seconds, and of little pr

09:53:14 mircea_popescu: actical consequence.

09:53:47 mircea_popescu: they're only discussed because we don't really give a shit about the prisoner himself. if we did, we'd discuss how fucktarded he is instead of how x is failing y and other statistical wankery.

09:55:38 chetty: but but but, they are all victims

09:56:09 mircea_popescu: they're all fluffy magical unicorns, too. so what of it.

09:57:21 chetty: get with the program, you are supposed to feel sorry and guilty unless of course you too can find a nice victim group to be part of

09:59:13 mircea_popescu: what, gotta have my emotions available for use as part of the "productive future society" ? that's okay, i'm opting out.

09:59:32 mircea_popescu: it'd be fucking ridiculous if i took my capital out of the bezzle, but allowed the emotional soliciting nonsense to continue.

09:59:59 mircea_popescu: i guess that makes me a terrorist AND a sociopath dunnit.

10:00:41 chetty: well they kinda go together, newspeak the words are synonyms

10:04:04 mircea_popescu: you know, english as a discussion space is getting incredibly boring these days.

10:04:16 mircea_popescu: you have "science" which mostly consists of the sterile nonsense of "creationists" and a few fringe groups (homeopaths, scientologists, whatever nuts), some very primitive "o look, I discovered fractals" repackaging of basic understanding ("i fucking love science!11") and a bunch of bureaucracy-serving faux debates (o, really, 97.x% of the "scientists" hoping for a govt grant agree the govt position has scientific valu

10:04:16 mircea_popescu: e ? how very ceausescu v2.0 of them!).

10:05:14 mircea_popescu: you have politics/current affairs, which are mostly a bunch of who we're calling the bad things this week, putin "doesn't understand how the world works" for having dared to humiliate our beloved leadership bimonthly for the past year, and israelis are whatever and on and on

10:05:37 mircea_popescu: and then you have some stale local interests topics, mostly molded in this mold, and some (bad) sports.

10:05:59 mircea_popescu: that's it. im surprised people even bother learning the language for this crap. o wait... they don't, do they.

10:06:04 chetty: well do not dispair we have b-a

10:08:40 mircea_popescu: talking to some random guy yest

10:08:45 mircea_popescu: him : It's gonna take awhile to digest this. You like writing eh.

10:08:46 mircea_popescu: me :i have a lot to say :D

10:08:46 mircea_popescu: him: lol yeah, it's an unusual writing style. It's like a mix of technical , story telling and stretched analogies. I'm sure you get a lot of hardcore readers who follow along. from a technical standpoint, its somewhat of a nightmare lol.

10:09:20 mircea_popescu: basically, that's what b-a reduces to : using english as a language rather than as a lingo is so uncommon by now, it takes intelligent people some effort to accommodate.

10:09:32 chetty: whats this?

10:10:20 mircea_popescu: hm ?

10:13:55 punkman: what's this technical standpoint anyway

10:14:32 mircea_popescu: punkman i believe it'd be the proposition that words work unequivocally and logic may be applied to natural language constructs.

10:15:05 punkman: "this isn't the textbook I was expecting!" ?

10:15:20 mircea_popescu: it all dovetails neatly into BingoBoingo's recent stuff about sublanguages. and i guess my recent post, at that.

10:16:03 mircea_popescu: the possibility of text meaning something to the reader is quite severely restricted by a whole list of novel issues, not directly familiar to the historian of this topic.

10:16:55 mircea_popescu: by chance, i was just reading the latest on crooked timber. here : http://crookedtimber.org/2014/08/07/shit-and-curses-and-other-updates-on-the-steven-salaita-affair/comment-page-4/#comment-551490

10:16:56 assbot: Shit and Curses, and Other Updates on the Steven Salaita Affair (Updated) — Crooked Timber

10:17:39 mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of academics no less, discussing a topic of no particular interest with utter abandon : some palestinian guy who's also a professor got offered a job and then de-offered the job, because urbana admin didn't like him ranting about israelis on twitter.

10:18:08 mircea_popescu: now this is all about as irrelevant as you like, but if you read what these commenters say to each other it becomes rapidly obvious they fail before even remotely engaging.

10:18:24 mircea_popescu: goat sperm'd have a better shot impregnating toad eggs.

10:20:18 mircea_popescu: so i suspect pop culture and the (very specifically english, btw, and chinese!) tendency towards the lowest common denominator and cultural sterility is the result of this chasm : on one hand people expect to be belonging together, unwarrantedly. on the other hand, they share exactly nothing.

10:21:14 mircea_popescu: thus parallel discussion is not a funny occurence but the vast majority of all interractions, people happily arguing with self-constructed dopplegangers of each other respectively. basically, a strawman is not merely a logical error, but the substance of all english language discourse today.

10:21:36 punkman: oh wow

10:22:02 punkman: I like this concept of parallel discussion

10:22:37 mircea_popescu: it started as this literary device i had thought i had invented like a decade ago. we even tried to work it into our book with chet.

10:23:16 mircea_popescu: but the more i read the more i realise that actually... it's not me inventing something novel, it's my brain trying to cope with nonsense.

10:25:49 mircea_popescu: back in the 70s when politicians started doing this, engaging in pseudo-debates on "issues" that had no coherent definition in their respective systems, people derrided the entire process as nonsensical. enter the internet, everyone is doing it. everyone. everwhere. find the most obscure blog and you'll have two nobodies doing it to each other for sport.

10:25:56 mircea_popescu: i suppose it must be cheaper than actual speech.

10:27:08 punkman: yeah you don't have to spend any processing cycles on what the other guy said, just do the most superficial patter-matching to harvest some entropy for your markov chain

10:27:52 mircea_popescu: precisely.

10:28:12 mircea_popescu: so you know, when the markov chain-based invaders finally take over, they'll be welcomed by the populace.

10:28:54 punkman: "Act like a dumbshit and they'll treat you like an equal!"

10:29:09 mircea_popescu: i don't think action is possible anymore.

10:29:25 mircea_popescu: you can't run with your eyes closed. you can';t act in a world inhabited by these phantasms.

10:29:48 mircea_popescu: i suspect for the average english as sole language speaker action is actually impossible today.

10:30:57 chetty: I am not sure its actually language relevant

10:31:31 mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?

10:32:00 chetty: people can fail to think in any language.

10:32:42 chetty: speaking multiples probably just gives you a better shot at noticing

10:32:56 mircea_popescu: well, here's the thing : some languages act as a metamind for the speakers. the collected intellectual effort of antecessors having constructed the linguistic equivalent of engineer's rulers and whatnot. so that through the mere workings of the language, one's point is refined.

10:33:10 mircea_popescu: this used to work in english too, three centuries ago. "put your idea in writing to see what it actually says".

10:33:31 mircea_popescu: some other languages however act as a confounder of thought, i am discovering, and a hindrance to expression.

10:34:06 mircea_popescu: contemporary english being a major example of this sad situation. a point expressed in today';s english is actually LESS than what it was before it met expression. that's a sad state of affairs,

10:34:17 chetty: I dun think thats the languages fault, poor abused language

10:34:31 mircea_popescu: and it creates a spiral of doom. as the language stops working positively, people stop caring, and so it'll just rot further.

10:34:39 punkman: how's the spanish language fare?

10:35:16 mircea_popescu: punkman i can't really distinguish latin languages enough to have an oppinion, other than that modern french is perhaps having a similar if unrelated problem.

10:36:44 mircea_popescu: maybe it's all the fallout of television, who's to know. "here's what three generations of visual 'thinking' barbarians will do to language" sort of thing.

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10:59:21 chetty: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZcbal7CUAI7yUx.jpg

11:00:38 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> back in the 70s when politicians started doing this, engaging in pseudo-debates on "issues" that had no coherent definition in their respective systems, people derrided the entire process as nonsensical. enter the internet, everyone is doing it. everyone. everwhere. find the most obscure blog and you'll have two nobodies doing it to each other for sport. << Interestingly this is why I kind of follow sports. There

11:00:38 BingoBoingo: is an entire infrastructure built around the mythos of each team and numerous parallel conversations, but at the end of the season there is a win-loss record and people are butthurt in proportion to how wrong the mythos they bought into was

11:01:18 mircea_popescu: that's a point.

11:01:29 mircea_popescu: i guess wrestling actually IS the mother of all us sport.

11:02:07 chetty: even sports is getting ugly with the libtards butting in these days

11:02:41 mircea_popescu: chetty kinda interesting how teh black square is trying to do the same "i;m opting out of your fucktarded language space"

11:02:42 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i guess wrestling actually IS the mother of all us sport. << Not quite because of kayfabe and the heel/face dynamic.

11:02:45 mircea_popescu: something tells me it won't work.

11:03:13 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what is the whole "x random team owner is racist" thing ?

11:03:18 mircea_popescu: kayfabe neh ?

11:03:39 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's not sports, that's politics.

11:03:56 BingoBoingo: And private taxation styled after North Korea.

11:03:58 mircea_popescu: there can not be such a difference.

11:04:16 chetty: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: That's not sports, that's politics.// but they are intersecting in a distrubing way

11:04:18 mircea_popescu: differentiation presumes meaning. if you can't have meaning, you can't say "that's not sports, that's politics"

11:07:04 chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty kinda interesting how teh black square is trying to do the same "i;m opting out of your fucktarded language space"// maybe more than blacks actually, how often do you need to look up stuff in urban dictionary?

11:07:31 BingoBoingo: Steve Ballermer and Magic Johnson fighting over who gets to take Sterling's team is a political discussion a la which contractor gets this bunch of tax money. David Price can't in the middle of the game take Mike Trout's bat and compell him to use a curtain rod instead.

11:07:32 mircea_popescu: well every time someone talks about me, interestingly enough.

11:08:03 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hm. that's a point.

11:08:14 BingoBoingo: The Donald Sterling episode was an invasion of the sports space by politics.

11:09:21 chetty: <BingoBoingo> The Donald Sterling episode was an invasion of the sports space by politics./7 and now the NFL is talking about adding rules concerning spousal abuse, same thing

11:10:01 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it doesn't stop there tho. i used to watch formula one, but then... guess what ? david price intervened in the middle of the game and took everyone's bats away and forced them to use curtain rods.

11:11:04 chetty: was it NFL talking about banning the word nigger on the field or you get penalties?

11:11:20 BingoBoingo: chetty: It was the NFL

11:11:38 chetty: thats politics getting on the field for sure

11:12:44 BingoBoingo: Baseball handles these things in a saner way for now. Player A calls player B a nigger and B's team like's him A is getting hit with a fastball.

11:15:24 BingoBoingo: The acceptance of a level of violence keeps things civil, as while the normal outcome is a nasty welt, broken bones and season or career ending injuries are possible.

11:17:21 chetty: BingoBoingo, this as it should be, the NFL idea is libpolitics at its worst

11:19:59 BingoBoingo: <chetty> BingoBoingo, this as it should be, the NFL idea is libpolitics at its worst << The NFL is probably doomed to this on the sport's fundamentals and the number of rules already existing to keep players out of wheelchairs.

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11:48:34 mircea_popescu: in retrospect, look at the trouble fluffypony started!

11:50:57 BingoBoingo: White Africa is the worst

11:54:23 mircea_popescu: so this Sayeeda Hussain Warsi chick quit the uk govt in protest of its support of israel

11:54:41 mircea_popescu: she did not quit it earlier in protest of say strikes against pakistani that resulted in what, 1mn people displaced ?

11:54:46 mircea_popescu: all over waziristan

11:55:02 mircea_popescu: she is pakistani, not palestinian. how are these people to be taken seriously ?

11:55:37 BingoBoingo: They aren't to be.

11:55:55 BingoBoingo: This is what Baroney in the UK has devolved to.

11:56:46 mircea_popescu: a well.

11:56:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, time to try sleep again. lkaters!

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12:07:40 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/come-see-me-clutching-at-straws/

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13:30:33 The20YearIRCloud: All in decent areas too, some of them would return in 3.5 or 4 years

13:36:51 xmj: The20YearIRCloud: where is your market?

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13:37:45 BingoBoingo: His market is Ohio

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16:07:12 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Looks like Just-Dice, or appears to be handiwork of Dooglus?

16:07:35 pankkake: conspiracy theories abound

16:08:35 kakobrekla: nice chumpatronic design

16:09:42 pankkake: I've only determined they both use the node.js Express framework (my first step is usually to determine wether it's PHP)

16:31:24 ben_vulpes: (but does it ==== php?)

16:34:18 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: So Imma looking at this van-ads thing and wondering... How does the payouts occur on Mondays part work?

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17:25:46 pankkake: Apocalyptic: X-BT says Bitcoin deposits credited after 3 confirms, it's 6 and nothing

17:25:59 pankkake: maybe you should show which block you are on too

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17:48:22 BingoBoingo: %d

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18:00:21 pankkake: I hope I can get one cheaper, but maybe the coreboot thing makes them highly prized items though :(

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18:01:12 BingoBoingo: The x/t 60's tend to be prized anyways simply for the sheer amount of stuff that runs on them.

18:01:50 pankkake: now I'm more looking for t60 + ultrabay actually. we'll see if my ebay snipes work

18:02:46 pankkake: I like the old "collector" hardware. I have 2 or 3 Plextor Premium

18:03:55 pankkake: and two other DVD drives with other nice characteristics (one with an altered firmware)

18:04:16 ben_vulpes: pankkake: want

18:05:15 pankkake: I'm so obsessed with RAIDs I want them in laptops too

18:06:17 kakobrekla: thats easily doable

18:06:37 kakobrekla: at least what 2 drives give you.

18:07:21 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/09/sports-team-fandoms-as-a-model-organism-for-understanding-discourse/

18:07:36 pankkake: yeah 2 drives in raid1. with the ultrabay system or some clevos I suppose. but not on <14"

18:08:03 kakobrekla: nah

18:08:31 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/498168827151409152 Sports Team Fandoms as a Model Organism for Understanding Discourse http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/09/sports-team-fandoms-as-a-model-organism-for-understanding-discourse/ ? #ThisTurnedPedanticFast

18:08:32 assbot: Sports Team Fandoms as a Model Organism for Understanding Discourse | Bingo Blog

18:08:52 kakobrekla: some of the tp x series have extra msata slot. i have two x220 with two ssds innit and lampelina has x230 with ssd and hdd. both are 13.5"

18:09:08 pankkake: ooh I forgot about mSATA

18:09:34 pankkake: actually my latest laptop has an extra mini PCI-E too

18:12:02 kakobrekla: yeah msata is going out slowly before it even came in

18:12:29 pankkake: it's m.2 now? I'm confused by all those things

18:12:31 kakobrekla: M.2 is the new shit

18:12:33 kakobrekla: yea

18:12:56 pankkake: the issue with it is that I want the drives to be readable from other computers, so all those formats are annoying

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18:13:24 kakobrekla: for msata there are cheap converters to sata

18:13:37 kakobrekla: for m.2 they will be if not yet

18:14:08 pankkake: I hope so, even a slow usb thing, just for recovery

18:14:28 kakobrekla: pankkake http://techreport.com/news/26360/tiny-usb-3-0-enclosure-houses-msata-drives

18:14:29 assbot: Tiny USB 3.0 enclosure houses mSATA drives - The Tech Report

18:14:31 kakobrekla: :)

18:14:47 pankkake: nice

18:21:51 kakobrekla: actually i have a m.2 option on my workstations mobo

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18:25:28 BingoBoingo: !up OX3_

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18:38:45 BingoBoingo: "A minimum volume of 4mL whole blood preserved with EDTA, clot activator, sodium polyanethol sulfonate (SPS), or citrate in plastic collection tubes can be submitted for EVD testing. Do not submit specimens to CDC in glass containers. Do not submit specimens preserved in heparin tubes."

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18:40:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah heparin ruins pcr

18:40:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Exactly. Posted wondering who would point that out first.

18:40:58 mircea_popescu: lol

18:43:54 BingoBoingo: Though... a heparin is probably the opposite of something you want to take if you come down with Ebola

18:46:10 BingoBoingo: Do not perserve with heparin for testing /= herparin destroys Ebola

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18:50:59 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/q/Ne/3bujZa9a/bitcointalk-banners.png

18:51:34 kakobrekla: if the offer is really that good, he should take it.

18:54:05 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ahaha

18:54:27 fluffypony: lol

18:54:33 mircea_popescu: dude you're like... a lolgod by now.

18:57:33 dignork: somewhat amusing: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cRYvK4jb

19:00:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's an interesting theory. someone should probably run lexical analysis over sports coverage and politics in the us, past century.

19:00:45 mircea_popescu: it makes perfect sense that there'd be backflow mostly on the obvious grounds that afaik for most of the history a sports journo was better paid than a political comentator

19:01:04 mircea_popescu: consequently, it'd stand to reason that as sportscasters became unemployed, they'd have started the huffpo of their time.

19:01:23 mircea_popescu: but theyd have also taken the tools of their trade, that made them better paid in the first place, along for the ride.

19:03:19 BingoBoingo: Well, Ted Turner did both start CNN and own the Atlanta Braves...

19:05:39 mircea_popescu: "Every system has to have some quanta of uncertainty affecting it." << that's not a correct use of the term. a quanta is a fixed, measurable, known quantity which quantifies a quantized system, such as 1 is the quanta of binary computing. in physics and so the surrounding world, (macroscopic)energy is usually hν, ie planck's constant (the quanta) times th frequency.

19:06:09 mircea_popescu: well technically quanta is the plural of quantum, so i should prolly say quantum, but anwyay.

19:08:53 ben_vulpes: <decimation> I want to move to an emacs-based chat client but I need to configure a cloud-host like ben_vulpes << lowendbox

19:10:02 BingoBoingo: Well, judgment calls and blind refs/umpires can be enumerated after the fact.

19:10:26 mircea_popescu: but they're not all equal.

19:10:35 mircea_popescu: say modicum for this use of quanta, that's correct.

19:10:49 mircea_popescu: quantum != modicum, mostly because latin works as a language.

19:12:08 BingoBoingo: I see

19:14:49 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/09/sports-team-fandoms-as-a-model-organism-for-understanding-discourse/#comment-21603

19:14:51 assbot: Sports Team Fandoms as a Model Organism for Understanding Discourse | Bingo Blog

19:16:14 BingoBoingo: ^ comment markup now corrected

19:16:38 ben_vulpes: http://aeon.co/magazine/nature-and-cosmos/pregnancy-is-a-battleground-between-mother-father-and-baby/

19:16:39 assbot: Pregnancy is a war between mother and child Suzanne Sadedin Aeon

19:16:51 mircea_popescu: now that's a point, it is.

19:17:50 mircea_popescu: !up Chihbarb

19:20:25 mircea_popescu: the homepage of www.academi.com is hosted on

19:20:25 mircea_popescu: Amazon Web Service, while the other IPs are in the range:

19:20:25 mircea_popescu: NetRange: 67.238.84.224 - 67.238.84.255

19:20:25 mircea_popescu: CIDR: 67.238.84.224/27

19:20:25 mircea_popescu: CustName: Blackwater USA

19:20:25 mircea_popescu: Address: 850 Puddin Ridge Rd

19:20:30 mircea_popescu: such cheapness srsly.

19:21:05 mircea_popescu: i bet you ddos on the range would actually significantly disrupt their infrastructure. nuke the email server half hour before some important summit, embarrass them to all shit.

19:21:56 fluffypony: AWS is pretty robust with that - their infrastructure gets DDoS'd on the daily

19:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00084549 = 23.3355 BTC [-] {4}

19:22:10 mircea_popescu: yup.

19:22:15 mircea_popescu: but not cleared to hold the rest.

19:22:20 fluffypony: word

19:22:29 mircea_popescu: so cheapo inept blackwater just put the webfront on aws to noit have to handle ddos

19:22:32 mircea_popescu: and then called it a day.

19:22:43 fluffypony: nobody does their own shit anymore

19:22:44 mircea_popescu: why protect the soft belly ? OBSCURITY!!!

19:22:59 mircea_popescu: nobody is going to be able to figure out what 67.238.84.x ip to take out!

19:29:14 mircea_popescu: o look whatweb. nice write-up dignork

19:40:42 BingoBoingo: %t

19:40:44 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 250 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 265k High: 199 Low: 188 VWAP: 195

19:43:59 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

19:44:00 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 586.15, Best ask: 587.19, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 587.2, 24 hour volume: 1881.05641237, 24 hour low: 585.21, 24 hour high: 592.67, 24 hour vwap: 0

19:44:02 BingoBoingo: %p

19:44:06 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s

19:50:17 BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika

19:50:23 BingoBoingo: Hello AntonOsika

19:53:32 AntonOsika: Hi BingoBoingo!

19:53:47 BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?

19:54:49 AntonOsika: I am the young man who was chatting here with the nick CheapBoy, but wanted to use my real name when verifying my identity!

19:55:07 fluffypony: sehr gut

19:55:20 AntonOsika: I wanted to chat with mircea about his fun ethereum offer.

19:56:00 AntonOsika: Anyways, I should have the PGP key for being verified!

19:57:43 BingoBoingo: Ah, cool

19:57:48 BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika

19:58:12 BingoBoingo: AntonOsika: Have you registered with gribble yet?

19:58:42 AntonOsika: Nope, I still can not find the right commands for it.

19:58:47 AntonOsika: ( http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots#commands )

19:58:47 assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]

20:00:07 BingoBoingo: AntonOsika: This page may be more helpful http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

20:00:07 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

20:00:39 AntonOsika: Awesome! I never got pointed towards that resource before

20:00:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8958 @ 0.00084494 = 7.569 BTC [-] {2}

20:01:32 BingoBoingo: AntonOsika: You are welcome

20:02:28 BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika

20:03:34 kakobrekla: moiety does a great job on the wiki.

20:05:42 AntonOsika: Indeed. And I'm happy that I get greeted when coming here.

20:09:30 kakobrekla: assbot does a great job as a porter

20:11:22 BingoBoingo: Some day assbot might get promoted to Concierge

20:23:27 BingoBoingo: !up Guest69

20:23:37 BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika

20:28:23 mircea_popescu: <AntonOsika> I wanted to chat with mircea about his fun ethereum offer. << go on

20:57:27 BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman

20:57:34 BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika

20:57:45 AntonOsika: Thanks, by brother called me

20:58:01 AntonOsika: +mircea_popescu Yes, I'll go on! I was the newbie under the nick CheapBoy wanting to bet on ethereum. I'm still interested, haven't had time to get the WoT up untill now. What's your take on ethereum now?

20:58:18 mircea_popescu: nothing changed.

21:00:44 AntonOsika: Ok. Would I be the first to bet against you? :)

21:02:38 mircea_popescu: yes.

21:04:10 BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> Can you please make your negative rating say US Government? The current message you've used is very unclear in its meaning. << Win

21:04:19 BingoBoingo: ;;rated gmaxwell

21:04:19 gribble: You rated user gmaxwell on Tue Jul 22 21:19:27 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant.

21:05:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 416 @ 0.0017579 = 0.7313 BTC [-] {3}

21:06:19 ben_vulpes: the whole point is to make people actually come talk to one

21:09:14 AntonOsika: So I pay 3 BTC for 15000 eth delivered when there is some market for buying it. Latest date for that market is 25th of July?

21:09:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8920 @ 0.00079744 = 7.1132 BTC [-] {2}

21:11:36 ben_vulpes: wow cpanel does some insane shit to machines

21:11:58 BingoBoingo: http://www.boston.com/news/2014/08/08/reagan-aide-homicide-brady-death-ruled-homicide-reagan-aide-jim-brady-death-ruled-homicide-reagan-aide-jim-brady-death-ruled/YmjuMWJF93sRMxhlXmCSON/story.html

21:11:59 assbot: Reagan Aide Jim Brady's Death Ruled Homicide Reagan Aide Jim Brady's Death Ruled Homicide Reagan Aide Jim Brady's Death Ruled Homicide - News - Boston.com

21:12:02 ben_vulpes: it *really* wants httpd up, for instance

21:14:23 AntonOsika: +mircea_popescu Is the offer 3 BTC for 15000 eth delivered in march?

21:15:02 mircea_popescu: AntonOsika yes.

21:15:47 BingoBoingo: ;;rate gmaxwell -1 Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant of either US government or Aubergine variety

21:15:48 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user gmaxwell has changed from -1 to -1.

21:16:14 AntonOsika: And you said something about: just 1 satoshi after 25th of july if they still haven't finished a market for it

21:16:16 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: ?

21:16:24 fluffypony: oh you're updating a rating

21:16:26 fluffypony: thought it was a new one

21:16:27 fluffypony: nm

21:16:44 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: He PM'd me asking for it

21:16:59 fluffypony: what was it before?

21:17:49 BingoBoingo: Just the part before the word "of"

21:18:18 fluffypony: lol

21:18:40 AntonOsika: ;;eauth antonosika 86ac5789f93ed2e7

21:18:40 gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

21:20:15 AntonOsika: Should one use ;;register or ;;eregister?

21:20:30 kdomanski: depends

21:20:45 AntonOsika: ;;eregister antonosika 86ac5789f93ed2e7

21:20:50 gribble: Request successful for user antonosika, hostmask AntonOsika!55e5eda8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.229.237.168. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/86AC5789F93ED2E7

21:20:57 kdomanski: you want to use a key flagged for signing or for encryption?

21:22:46 mircea_popescu: dignork http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/ thanks :)

21:22:47 assbot: The FinFisher/FinSpy story, for posterity. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

21:23:35 mircea_popescu: AntonOsika there's a sample contract in hte logs

21:23:53 AntonOsika: Ok sounds good. Whats hte?

21:24:09 kdomanski: :O

21:24:13 mircea_popescu: !s dpaste

21:24:14 assbot: 71 results for 'dpaste' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dpaste

21:24:52 kakobrekla: !s from:mircea_popescu dpaste

21:24:52 assbot: 3 results for 'from:mircea_popescu dpaste' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+dpaste

21:25:05 mircea_popescu: or did i pastebin it hum

21:25:27 mircea_popescu: holy shit where did i put it.

21:26:23 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770333 << fuck it expired. meh!

21:26:24 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:27:13 mircea_popescu: AntonOsika http://pastebin.com/9NUvgUuS << there.

21:27:13 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com

21:27:18 mircea_popescu: !up extra

21:27:21 mircea_popescu: !up extraaa

21:27:22 extra: hello

21:27:26 mircea_popescu: hi

21:27:27 AntonOsika: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8563de1184e95a7afe55332fa5be961fa740bc9deabf1dfc3daf7db1

21:27:29 gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user antonosika with key 86AC5789F93ED2E7

21:28:39 kdomanski: !up AntonOsika

21:30:08 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i see boston.com has the seo gods on their urlside.

21:31:15 mircea_popescu: also, here's a chick that can ride. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh3G8R5K4_8

21:31:15 assbot: Sexiest Mechanical Bull Ride - YouTube

21:31:59 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: SEO is a scam. Anyone who promises traffic from google without supposing the solution is cat pictures is a fraud.

21:32:20 AntonOsika: +mircea_popescu Nice contract. It's the release date that worries me since I'm not interested in betting on if things go as scheduled or not.

21:32:57 mircea_popescu: AntonOsika things are scheduled for ~this winter!

21:33:34 mircea_popescu: but that aside, you can have a longer contract, what do i care.

21:34:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5258 @ 0.00078069 = 4.1049 BTC [-]

21:35:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00077939 = 4.9881 BTC [-]

21:35:33 AntonOsika: If it get's delayed months I guess you would have mostly won anyways, Maybe you could then "sell" your contract for less than 3 BTC so that you still would have profited?

21:36:00 ben_vulpes: http://techno-anthropology.blogspot.com/2014/08/everything-good-correlates-bash.html

21:36:01 assbot: Techno-anthropology: Everything Good Correlates (a bash-scripted thought experiment thing about the clustering of sexually desirable traits)

21:36:51 AntonOsika: I dont want to risk losing all the eths for a delay. But I understand that you simply dont want to have a contract for longer than a year

21:37:04 AntonOsika: (those guys have had delays before...)

21:37:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4959 @ 0.00078069 = 3.8714 BTC [+]

21:37:35 mircea_popescu: AntonOsika did you read the part where it says "<mircea_popescu> but that aside, you can have a longer contract, what do i care." ?

21:38:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, the scammers involved didn't "have delays before". they scammed before. the difference is marked.

21:38:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5742 @ 0.00079528 = 4.5665 BTC [+] {3}

21:39:24 dignork: mircea_popescu: it's not my write-up, just found it.

21:39:36 mircea_popescu: dignork i know.

21:39:57 mircea_popescu: it's very convenient you linked it here, then i can put it on fraudsters plausibly deniably.

21:40:11 dignork: :)

21:42:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/

21:44:45 AntonOsika: mircea_popescu Yup I read the contract. I'll make another draft alright?

21:44:58 mircea_popescu: kay

21:47:29 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

21:47:30 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 589.89, Best ask: 590.39, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 590.57, 24 hour volume: 1711.80568909, 24 hour low: 585.21, 24 hour high: 592.55, 24 hour vwap: 0

21:47:52 BingoBoingo: ^ Where's the volume???

21:47:56 BingoBoingo: %t

21:47:57 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 220 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 265k High: 199 Low: 188 VWAP: 195

21:48:05 BingoBoingo: ^ O hai there

21:50:33 mircea_popescu: by the way, for all of you still using dropbox : dropbox beleeted the finfisher dump.

21:51:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out : https://twitter.com/VUPEN/status/482065773033422848 vupen is making a "no such con" conference thingee.

21:51:47 mircea_popescu: how does it feel to be an industry thought leader / cultural influencer ?

21:54:10 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2S2E6C1.txt )

21:54:10 BingoBoingo: !b 3

21:56:06 dignork: there was some torrent for finfisher, so dropbox is for someone who really wants to leave IP footprints

21:57:02 mircea_popescu: there's this retarded hipster mindset using google docs, dropbox, gmail and whatnot.

21:57:05 mircea_popescu: it has to go away.

21:57:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6379 @ 0.00078045 = 4.9785 BTC [-]

21:59:02 BingoBoingo: !up AntonOsika

22:00:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly the same retarded thing that sends people running to Tumbler and Disqusting for their blogging tools and becoming unable to leave when they outgrow them. Even Google's blogger let you export shit.

22:00:24 mircea_popescu: i guess.

22:01:14 ben_vulpes: "property of poorly managed systems that increase in resources lowers productivity" << related also to amounts of free energy in the system?

22:01:57 BingoBoingo: It's this compulsion to use the Newest without regard for anything else with an element of "Let's have someone else's computer do my heavy lifting, What's the worst that could happen?"

22:02:09 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe.

22:02:40 chetty: <BingoBoingo> It's this compulsion to use the Newest without regard for anything else// +++++

22:04:52 mircea_popescu: Method of infection: The surveillance suite is installed after the target accepts installation of a fake update to commonly used software. <<< so... wait. people who never update anything are immune ?

22:04:54 mircea_popescu: derp.

22:05:41 BingoBoingo: Basically they can't escape their consumer programming to have the newest, the shiniest, the most prestigious embadgened

22:07:48 kdomanski: people who update their systems via repository like Linux distros are probably immune too

22:08:22 mircea_popescu: doubt it.

22:08:39 kdomanski: the problem with windows and update dialogs is that derps taught themselves to click right through anything that pops up

22:08:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00077939 = 4.9491 BTC [-]

22:09:01 mircea_popescu: that kinda comes with the black box territory

22:11:11 kdomanski: btw http://blog.codinghorror.com/teaching-users-to-read/

22:11:11 assbot: Teaching Users to Read

22:12:17 mircea_popescu: "This may sound a little harsh, but you'll see, when you do usability tests, that there are quite a few users who simply do not read words that you put on the screen. If you pop up an error box of any sort, they simply will not read it. This may be disconcerting to you as a programmer, because you imagine yourself as conducting a dialog with the user. Hey, user! You can't open that file, we don't support that file form

22:12:18 mircea_popescu: at! Still, experience shows that the more words you put on that dialog box, the fewer people will actually read it."

22:12:24 mircea_popescu: maybe they read it in their own terms.

22:13:05 mircea_popescu: Dialog boxes usually say "If you want to tech the tech, you need to tech the tech with the teching tech tech. Tech the tech? Yes / No"

22:13:06 mircea_popescu: exactly.

22:13:09 kdomanski: yup

22:13:22 ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> Basically they can't escape their consumer programming to have the newest, the shiniest, the most prestigious embadgened << for macos users, the programming is in the machine, in the user, and in people writing software for the thing. the people writing the software write for the latest platform, 'cause "80% uptake rate in 24 hours! why not!?", which makes a vicious spiral where unless you're running the latest and

22:13:22 ben_vulpes: greatest your browser/whatever experience is going to be ultra lame

22:14:24 mircea_popescu: i don't run js. my experience is not lame at all.

22:14:38 mircea_popescu: it keeps me from interacting with a good chunkc of available idiocy

22:14:41 mircea_popescu: this is a service.

22:14:55 ben_vulpes: you probably don't use consumer-grade services period.

22:15:04 mircea_popescu: what's consumer-grade ?

22:15:13 ben_vulpes: who even knows

22:15:20 ben_vulpes: airbnb/9flats

22:15:23 mircea_popescu: kdomanski atwood's comments are idiotic. the spolski & lippert quotes are interesting.

22:15:35 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fraudsters runs on fucking wordpress.

22:16:57 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: never heard of lippert. URL?

22:18:24 kdomanski: ben_vulpes: the diarrhea of "technology" buzzwords is sufficient testament to the insanity that consumer-grade web services have become

22:19:30 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: nevermind, found him

22:19:30 ben_vulpes: i wouldn't even know. all i actually know is bearings and deflections and universal joints. this web shit is all new territory to me.

22:20:25 mircea_popescu: kdomanski http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/

22:20:27 assbot: Fabulous Adventures In Coding - Site Home - MSDN Blogs

22:20:48 kdomanski: thanks

22:21:23 mircea_popescu: !up fn1

22:21:45 mircea_popescu: all these fucktards proceeding on the socialistoid "o, all user are equal and equal to one, we must serve them"

22:21:57 mircea_popescu: fuck the stupid users. nobody cares about rakim.

22:23:41 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_at_beach

22:23:45 mircea_popescu: no fucking wai.

22:23:47 ascii_at_beach: lol

22:23:57 mircea_popescu: THIS IS NOT WHAT THE SHAREHOLDERS EXPECTED!

22:24:54 kdomanski: atwood actually said a few reasonable words about how companies should focus on intermediate users, instead of the noobs

22:25:06 mircea_popescu: not in that article.

22:25:09 kdomanski: "Beginners should either become intermediates or, in a manner of speaking, die trying."

22:25:19 kdomanski: no

22:25:25 mircea_popescu: in that article he's all about wizards and bullshit.

22:25:31 mircea_popescu: please, more talking paper clips

22:25:32 mircea_popescu: o.O

22:26:10 kdomanski: this one is in put in a different context

22:26:31 kdomanski: if you're making an office suite, you have to appeal to IQ<100

22:26:37 asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach

22:27:06 kdomanski: office drones are a big market

22:27:08 *: ascii_at_beach needs to find a cleaner way to do this than injection

22:27:44 kakobrekla: injection?

22:27:44 mircea_popescu: kdomanski nobody stops to think that well, organisations populated by the mouthbreathing won't survive anyway.

22:28:34 mircea_popescu: he's such an opsec freak he's hacking his own boxen

22:28:48 ascii_at_beach: finfisher << pathetic joke, like 'carnivore' and offer Official turdware

22:29:02 kdomanski: mircea_popescu: long term they won't, but short term? quarterly bottom line & shit

22:29:18 ascii_at_beach: 'kindly install this trojan, for the good of the Motherland. sincerely, usg.'

22:29:20 mircea_popescu: kdomanski excuse me while im being all ideological over here.

22:29:26 mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach it is, yes.

22:30:37 ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: re: english language: this is a dire problem. more so than anyone is really willing to admit. ask - anyone who routinely translates to english from an 'adult' language

22:30:52 mircea_popescu: i have.

22:31:02 mircea_popescu: my tribulations doing that are about half of what led to the article.

22:31:28 mircea_popescu: (mine was backwards. one person hacked some code together even to prove to me my romanian can in fact not be translated to english)

22:32:04 ascii_at_beach: lol!

22:32:47 mircea_popescu: at least the whole college system in the us is providing value...less data on "what happens if you try do have pig latin academia"

22:33:23 mircea_popescu: maybe i should have said priceless.

22:33:44 ascii_at_beach: not like the next mega-empire that gets tired of living will study 'prior art.'

22:34:47 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Mac OS has been stable for some time OS 7.5.1 was what, two decades ago?

22:36:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5721 @ 0.00078041 = 4.4647 BTC [+] {2}

22:37:09 mircea_popescu: !s pummle

22:37:09 assbot: 2 results for 'pummle' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=pummle

22:37:16 mircea_popescu: peterl is that a fact ?

22:37:31 peterl: yup, my new name

22:38:02 mircea_popescu: lemme ask you something. do you trade altchains atm ?

22:38:17 peterl: me? no

22:38:30 mircea_popescu: do you trade anything at all ?

22:39:17 peterl: wait, what do you mean altchains?

22:39:55 mircea_popescu: like litecoin or w/e other bitcoin wannabes

22:40:00 mircea_popescu: http://dogtownessays.com/wordpress/2012/12/08/a-cold-day-in-hell/ << i lolled.

22:40:02 assbot: Canecitt » Blog Archive » A Cold Day in Hell

22:40:11 peterl: oh, no, I don't trade much.

22:40:57 mircea_popescu: aite.

22:41:35 peterl: I sold my old extra bitcointalk account just before I started pummle.

22:41:55 mircea_popescu: lol i wonder how many of those are owner-operated.

22:42:06 BingoBoingo: Like 2Chainz with less hiphop

22:42:17 ascii_at_beach: 'they are desperate to avoid a scenario where the US collapses on its own, with no external enemy to blame...'

22:42:23 ascii_at_beach: (http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/german-stunner-west-is-on-wrong-path_8.html)

22:42:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00078792 = 1.5364 BTC [+]

22:45:06 mircea_popescu: i agree, that'd not be good for anyone.

22:46:34 ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: on the contrary - very good for vendors of rope, soap.

22:47:03 mircea_popescu: you know engines of flying machiens can fail in two modes.

22:47:10 mircea_popescu: generally, the restartable failure is preferable.

22:47:58 ascii_at_beach: 'restartable' is, afaik, just a happy nostalgic dream at this point

22:48:40 mircea_popescu: i disagree.

22:48:40 asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach

22:48:54 mircea_popescu: but im also taking off to town, so we'll continue later.

23:23:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00078438 = 8.6674 BTC [-]

23:29:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00078438 = 1.8433 BTC [-]

23:34:44 peterl: somebody pump and dumped S.MPOE?

23:51:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0007881 = 2.8766 BTC [+]