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00:01:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31606 @ 0.00062007 = 19.5979 BTC [+] {3}

00:04:27 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell wywialm how does the gpg system integrate with the browser application?

00:04:28 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:04:38 ben_vulpes: users derp their keys into localstorage?

00:04:48 ben_vulpes: asks users to sign blobs?

00:07:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00062008 = 4.7746 BTC [+]

00:11:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18526 @ 0.00060445 = 11.198 BTC [-] {3}

00:37:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00061817 = 10.2616 BTC [+]

01:03:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1926 @ 0.00060445 = 1.1642 BTC [-] {2}

01:07:27 ag3nt_zer0: ben_vulpes yes naiveté thanks ... i'll have to tell you my spelling bee story later heh

01:08:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14237 @ 0.00059543 = 8.4771 BTC [-]

01:19:35 phf: ben_vulpes: so it looks from the log like it's still picking up bullet from somewhere. i updated the repo, so now there's an explicit --without-bullet in the script, if you do brew update and rerun. i tested it by installing bullet and then doing a cs build

01:20:12 phf: come to think of it i should probably test that it fails without the flag but with bullet present. i'll spin that up now..

01:25:56 phf: ben_vulpes: wait, can you please check your log bundle. i'm getting diff identical folders from the first one i get and the updated one

01:26:34 ben_vulpes: myessir

01:28:31 ben_vulpes: 33ff9cc085cfca6fa92443a0a17ef3dd7fe54765b6886b936d8955446f85a63e85298f79cd189345ebb54622084c5c414b68aba260e61c1ef22abebd8ed3ca82 << 512 of the recent logs

01:28:37 ben_vulpes: phf:

01:29:21 ben_vulpes: which does *not* match the one currently on my site.

01:29:27 phf: aye

01:29:31 ben_vulpes: aha, yes, i know precisely how i hosed this

01:29:45 ben_vulpes: updated!

01:30:32 ben_vulpes: achtung, spielr

01:30:35 ben_vulpes: spieler*

01:31:02 phf: ben_vulpes: it's missing cs-debug.log

01:34:40 ben_vulpes: ofc it is

01:35:56 ben_vulpes: try again, apologies, thank you

01:41:01 ben_vulpes: http://fraudsters.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-july-2015-statement/#comment-114990 << what is a BTCiii ?

01:41:02 assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) July 2015 Statement on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqOrPA )

01:44:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00059543 = 9.3036 BTC [-] {2}

01:52:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00059578 = 3.6938 BTC [+]

01:53:57 phf: ok, bunch of annoyances, but all look like 1 point issues.

01:53:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11913 @ 0.00060096 = 7.1592 BTC [+] {3}

02:03:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00059411 = 17.9421 BTC [-] {4}

02:09:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00060847 = 21.7224 BTC [+] {3}

02:18:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00061367 = 8.0391 BTC [+] {5}

02:32:58 asciilifeform: meanwhile,

02:33:04 asciilifeform: al schwartz woke up

02:33:13 asciilifeform: fella checks his mail once a month..

02:42:01 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231228 << congrats mod6 !

02:42:01 assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 19:37:33; mod6: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: rotor built successfully.

02:42:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00059519 = 18.6294 BTC [-] {3}

02:42:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231334 << this is still sop. nobody cancelled it any more than anyone cancelled gravity.

02:42:57 assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:01:36; mircea_popescu: you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat.

02:51:50 asciilifeform: http://www.fastcodesign.com/3032911/kidnapping-death-pizza-how-dominos-lost-its-mascot << archaeological lulz

02:51:51 assbot: Death And Pizza: How Domino's Lost Its Mascot | Co.Design | business + design ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEnPUR )

02:58:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00059226 = 17.4124 BTC [-] {5}

03:10:47 scoopbot_revived: An Ivy League degree wasn't always a Louis Vuitton purse. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/08/an-ivy-league-degree-wasnt-always-a-louis-vuitton-purse/

03:11:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00062007 = 4.6505 BTC [+] {5}

03:12:54 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/3YFS9YV.txt << test2 logs for ya

03:12:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbfsND )

03:12:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:13:31 pete_dushenski: ^on debian 7

03:14:08 pete_dushenski: looks like zlib problems

03:14:20 pete_dushenski: but i'm not a doctor.

03:14:26 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what the hell did you build, and on what

03:15:15 asciilifeform: 1) therealbitcoin does not use zlib 2) therealbitcoin does not use dl*

03:15:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00062007 = 10.9752 BTC [+] {2}

03:15:37 pete_dushenski: well that's interesting

03:15:44 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: post your makefile plz

03:15:50 asciilifeform: and your buildscript

03:16:47 pete_dushenski: seriously all i did was install os and follow steps outlined in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000140.html

03:16:48 assbot: [BTC-dev] UPDATE: v0.5.4-TEST2 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEslTm )

03:17:06 phf: ag3nt_zer0: raw didn't pen principia, that's just a persistent misconception, in FACT it was revealed to trinque in its complete form by the divine mother HERSELF (hail eris!) during some of his particularly strong ACID trips (10 strip, they said it was weak, so he took 6, damn, man, i'm seeing things ain't even come up yet), at which point he traveled back in TIME to spread the good word to the honest people of california. this and much mo

03:17:06 phf: re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord.

03:18:25 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i wrote rotor for a reason

03:18:31 asciilifeform: the reason being that this is a waste of life

03:18:39 asciilifeform: yes, i could sit down and debug this

03:19:00 asciilifeform: but seven other people will come and each one will bring seven idiocies from his local os

03:19:21 asciilifeform: and each of those will need seven workarounds to be forced with red hot irons to behave in FUCKING STANDARD WAY

03:20:09 asciilifeform: rotor differs in that it is enough for you to find ~one~ box where it can be made to go

03:20:15 asciilifeform: and use that binary for the rest of your life if you like.

03:20:47 asciilifeform: i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator.

03:21:57 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i know you wrote rotor for a reason, of this there is little doubt, but believe it or not, your instructions aren't dumbed down enough for me

03:22:07 pete_dushenski: they're not far off, mind

03:22:23 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: if you're up to it, try building, i'll walk you through it while i'm awake

03:23:16 pete_dushenski: ok, lemme reinstall os and start fresh

03:23:23 asciilifeform: no need to reinstall os

03:23:27 asciilifeform: pick just about any linux box

03:23:32 asciilifeform: and go from there

03:23:43 pete_dushenski: oh ok

03:23:43 asciilifeform: if you can get a bash prompt, you oughta get a working build.

03:24:00 asciilifeform: start the recipe and prod me when you hit a stumble.

03:24:11 pete_dushenski: k

03:28:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00062007 = 13.7346 BTC [+] {3}

03:29:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00061517 = 5.9364 BTC [-]

03:30:49 mod6: hi pete_dushenski

03:31:05 mod6: Let me dig something up for you here quick.

03:32:56 mod6: http://dpaste.com/3T9YGXC.txt

03:32:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbgRDZ )

03:33:30 asciilifeform: apt-get install -y libboost-python-dev

03:33:30 asciilifeform: apt-get install -y libbz2-dev

03:33:30 asciilifeform: apt-get install -y zlib1g-dev

03:33:33 asciilifeform: ^ for fucks sake

03:33:35 asciilifeform: why?

03:33:43 asciilifeform: neither stator nor rotor needs these!

03:33:58 asciilifeform: HAVING THEM ON YOUR BOX IS USELESS AT BEST!

03:34:00 mod6: Right, should be trying to bulid the Rotor, really.

03:34:29 asciilifeform: stator doesn't need them either !

03:34:56 asciilifeform: if your stator did not build before but builds after running the above, IT IS NOT STATIC !!!

03:35:11 mod6: However, I have seen that on Ubuntu & Debian if you build boost without libboost-python-dev boost will complain -- it will still compile, but it'll complain. it complains less with the python errors if it has that and the libbost-python-dev dependentcies installed.

03:35:31 asciilifeform: ^ you are using CRUD FROM OUTSIDE THE STATIC BALL

03:35:39 asciilifeform: defeating the very purpose of stator.

03:35:57 asciilifeform: introducing local turdlets over which you have no meaningful control.

03:36:00 mod6: er

03:36:03 mod6: yeah.

03:36:10 mod6: im mis remembering that from v0.5.3.1

03:36:11 asciilifeform: why even bother then.

03:36:59 mod6: pete_dushenski: don't bother with the testing for TEST2 (or anyone else), just work for now on building rotor.

03:37:21 pete_dushenski: okilee dokilee :)

03:37:24 mod6: I appreciate you trying to build it.

03:37:51 asciilifeform: i also appreciated. how else would we have learned that i am the last one alive with a sane linux install, for instance.

03:38:14 pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MS56NLGqxU

03:38:15 assbot: Okily Dokily - Simpsons You Only Move Twice - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kbh9eb )

03:40:21 mod6: I can not wait until we get past all of this.

03:41:44 pete_dushenski: hehe i'm having fun !

03:41:54 pete_dushenski: being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all

03:42:13 pete_dushenski: every day a new maze, then... cheese !

03:42:34 *: asciilifeform still wonders what that 'cheese' thing would smell like

03:43:16 ag3nt_zer0: phf: hahaha was that really in the INVISIBLES?

03:43:43 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: napalm perhaps.

03:43:45 ag3nt_zer0: shit about wilson and all that?

03:43:52 mod6: asciilifeform: so, what my goal is, short term, is to produce a bundle that (similar to TEST2) is patched up through -verifyall that we can drop into the rotor, and use that for testing next.

03:44:13 asciilifeform: mod6: i think you already have this ?

03:44:19 asciilifeform: (rotor takes a stator)

03:44:41 ag3nt_zer0: I never looked at that comic... I saw Morrison speak and thought he was weird haha

03:44:51 mod6: yeah. but your bundle doesn't have the right directory structure, and doesn't really have a patching trail or anything.

03:45:08 asciilifeform: my rotor bundle doesn't come with a stator at all

03:45:13 asciilifeform: it has to be supplied by the operator

03:45:19 mod6: so i don't wanna seem like im replicating work; just trying to clean it up a bit.

03:45:22 ag3nt_zer0: i mean I get the whole thing he was on about but he was seemd stragley excited haha

03:45:26 mod6: right

03:45:37 mod6: it has to be downloaded seperately. thats fine. i did this today.

03:46:20 mod6: was thinking that next I'll work on a patched bundle up through -verify all with rotor. and then work ourselves up to a place where we feel comfortable.

03:46:45 pete_dushenski: bbiab

03:46:52 mod6: do you think we should even bother with block dump/eat, -verify all?

03:47:03 asciilifeform: mod6: i regard them as useful

03:47:04 mod6: (in a "release")

03:47:13 asciilifeform: mod6: esp. for standing up nodes

03:47:21 asciilifeform: but also for debugging wedge states

03:47:25 asciilifeform: and generally.

03:47:30 mod6: so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction?

03:47:34 asciilifeform: also it is possible to hash a blockchain using dumpblock

03:47:45 asciilifeform: (see ml for example of me doing so for a chain loaded from mircea_popescu)

03:47:55 mod6: yup, i recall.

03:47:56 asciilifeform: not a waste by any means.

03:48:19 ag3nt_zer0: phf: still lolzing haha thx fnord! fucking california haha

03:48:21 asciilifeform: i personally regard these as important knobs and their absence from the original bitcoin as an atrocity

03:48:29 mod6: ok. that's my next basic goal. build a patched bundle up through verify-all with rotor.

03:49:07 mod6: once we have that, and a new patch from trinque, i can complete my script and have a rotor that builds these test bundles with x86-64

03:49:44 mod6: make sense?

03:49:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00060043 = 5.0736 BTC [-]

03:49:53 asciilifeform: aha

03:49:56 mod6: :]

03:50:05 mod6: was nice to see rotor build cleanly today btw.

03:50:18 asciilifeform: didja have to use trinque's patch ?

03:50:21 mod6: yeah

03:50:35 asciilifeform: oughta be part of the official ball then

03:50:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00060043 = 1.0207 BTC [-]

03:51:18 mod6: was a gentoo/glibc environement -- compiled buildroot with the musl settings. didn't change anything to the "rotor" steps execept for adding the change to BDB configure options in trinque's message.

03:52:01 mod6: yah, I left him a note to re-send a patch with a detached sig to the ML. can help or do it for him if required, etc.

03:52:09 mod6: no giant rush tho.

03:52:17 phf: ag3nt_zer0: inivisibles is like a popcorn pulp version of pkd, illuminatus and magick. it's a fun read when you're 24, but definitely worth a read through if you're into that sort of stuff

03:53:39 ag3nt_zer0: it's no secret that california shares a magickal connection based on the law of correspondences to the Hindu goddess of destruction and the final age of dissolution, Kali... nor is it coincidence that the sun sets on the western world in KaliforniCaitlynJender - Bernardino porno bender blender

03:56:51 ag3nt_zer0: phf: i dunno; after he said he wrote his own reality and as he was writing the things he was writing were coming true I figured the comic couldnt be better than that...

04:01:01 phf: i only vaguely remember that talk, because i listened to it under the influence, and at some point i was convinced that i could perform magical rituals, and the only thing keeping me from fundamentally affecting reality was years of societal conditioning that i could at the time overcome. i think i was also at some point convinced that bush was a great grandson of aliester crowley by way of pauline pierce, and that he's going to bring about

04:01:01 phf: the appocalypse. the details are a bit hazy

04:02:10 phf: *that i could not

04:03:26 ag3nt_zer0: yeah... you ever look into the jack parsons/crowley/hubbard threesome?

04:03:40 ag3nt_zer0: pretty weird considering what hubbard went on to do

04:03:49 ag3nt_zer0: in Kali haha

04:04:30 phf: i'm sure hubbard just lifted whatever he could from his time at the agape lodge

04:07:07 phf: parsons is quite a character, there's a nice writeup about him and the whole crowley/hubbard connection in "apocalypse culture"

04:11:01 phf: though i'm not sure how much i want to put to public record on this subject. i made some interesting friends when i moved to this country, unfortunately this whole culture seemed to have died out. even when i was enjoying it, it was mostly archival work

04:21:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00059781 = 1.4049 BTC [-]

04:35:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29950 @ 0.00059124 = 17.7076 BTC [-] {3}

04:36:26 hanbot: !up n6

04:36:34 hanbot: n6: get in the wot, don't pester people via pm, and forget about any braindamaged notions of "lobbying MP" you've cooked up for yourself.

04:44:25 mircea_popescu: !up onlooker

04:44:26 mircea_popescu: ohai

04:46:45 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2B96D2881D975EFBAD0E79F513301149BFE8AB719467DE0151E839547CA99AC << l0l

04:46:52 mircea_popescu: trinque actually trump has been rich for a while.

04:47:30 onlooker: hi there, would you like to share your thoughts on copyright? I've only come across your writings today and found them most entertaining.

04:47:46 mircea_popescu: iirc lost it all in a dubious las vegas casinos transaction with fucking merv griffin.

04:47:58 mircea_popescu: onlooker it's complicated.

04:48:12 trinque: mircea_popescu: one thing occured to me this evening re: trump. he's telling the other people running to their faces that he's bought and paid for all of them in the past.

04:48:14 trinque: I love that.

04:48:25 trinque: mod6: putting that email together

04:48:47 n6: hanbot: sorry I lost my key(Not a person), still trying to fix my lsub issue on gentoo before I make a new one.

04:49:02 onlooker: lol, well thats no surprise, governments specialize in making simple things complicated

04:49:04 mircea_popescu: it's not really true. man's no rockerfeller. son of a middling queens landlord is all.

04:50:27 asciilifeform: i don't see how it 'is complicated' at all. folks who wanna be paid when i copy a number, get a raging hardon for the state (tm) (r) when it makes noises of promise to make it happen

04:51:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ever been privy to something on the understanding you won't be sharing it ?

04:51:30 asciilifeform: sure

04:51:40 mircea_popescu: do you propose to do away with the POSSIBLITY of that understanding ?

04:51:56 asciilifeform: nah. just object to this kind of thing happening in a consumer setting

04:52:02 mircea_popescu: yeah, well, then... it's complicated.

04:52:19 asciilifeform: where the negotiating leverage on one side of the table is nil

04:52:22 mircea_popescu: as usual, consumers have no business in any of the places they stuff themselve.s

04:52:38 onlooker: I don't think copyright is the same thing as keeping a secret, if you keep a secret and you keep it well then you don't need copyright

04:52:44 hanbot: n6 alright, so then make that your top priority.

04:52:53 asciilifeform: when i buy a piece of shit from a street merchant i ain't taking no oath.

04:53:00 asciilifeform: he wants oath, can fuck himself

04:53:03 mircea_popescu: that's between you two.

04:53:05 mircea_popescu: so then...

04:53:14 asciilifeform: 'click-through oath!!!'

04:53:31 onlooker: if you fail to keep a secret they you have two choices, you can blame yourself for not keeping it well, or you can blame me and try to enforce copyright

04:53:33 mircea_popescu: don't be coming to me to relieve you of oaths you took on the theory that you shouldn't have and if you were a better man you wouldn't have.

04:53:49 asciilifeform: except i didn't

04:54:13 mircea_popescu: then i don't need to have an oppinion on it.

04:54:20 n6: hanbot: thanks I will get on that right now.

04:54:20 asciilifeform: well somebody mentioned 'copyright'

04:54:38 asciilifeform: which as i understand is the perverse concept that somebody gets to bang on my door and demand gold for copying a number

04:55:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231425 << jesus definitely was a socialist. something something all people something.

04:55:04 assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:47:43; ag3nt_zer0: something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit

04:55:45 onlooker: mircea popescu, you don't need to have an opinion about the color of you shit either lol...

04:55:56 mircea_popescu: there's a fraudsters article about that, actually.

04:55:57 asciilifeform: 'tis one thing if i was given a secret, swore an other. entirely other thing when i find a number scribbled on the sidewalk and decide to scribble it elsewhere

04:56:07 asciilifeform: *an oath

04:56:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform supposedly it wasn't on the sidewalk.

04:56:36 asciilifeform: ?

04:56:52 n6: trinque, asciilifeform: Would you be able to point me to a place where I can learn how to build lsub on my mac then put it on a usb drive and move it to gentoo so I can get wireless working and make a key?

04:57:03 mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ?

04:57:08 asciilifeform: n6: nope

04:57:31 mircea_popescu: i ain't saying that.

04:57:38 trinque: n6: I'm making a script that puts gentoo on a stick, or any block device really

04:57:41 trinque: not done yet, let ya know

04:57:49 trinque: mod6: sent

04:57:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd say ~yes~. 'find a revenue model that doesn't rely on armed thugs breaking down my door for copying a fucking number, and i never signed any contracts with this fella'

04:58:08 mircea_popescu: still his movie.

04:58:09 asciilifeform: he can beg on the streets if he wants.

04:58:20 mircea_popescu: he'll probably go to syria and smuggle arms.

04:58:24 asciilifeform: good.

04:58:27 asciilifeform: syria needs arms.

04:58:37 mircea_popescu: so you're gonna pick careers for tarantino now ?

04:58:40 mircea_popescu: awful lot of work.

04:58:43 asciilifeform: he can do honest work, like this, instead of trying to monkey with my bits.

04:58:46 mircea_popescu: i thought we were aiming to avoid makework.

04:58:52 asciilifeform: (yes, the bits are ~mine~, they are on my disk)

04:59:38 asciilifeform: keeping fella's hands out of my arse != 'choosing careers for'

04:59:52 mircea_popescu: (ftr, the arms smuggle thing did happen. almost quite to syria. for 10 points, name the famous french poet who did this in his teens)

05:00:12 asciilifeform: french?

05:00:14 onlooker: I asked if you had an opinion, from the perspective of someone who seems intelligent and uses bigger words than me. I appreciate you taking the time to reply at all, I don't mind if you have no opinion, just I hoped you would see copyright as the elitists use to tell poor people they are not allowed to think

05:00:19 asciilifeform: 'cause my first thought was byron

05:00:19 n6: trinque: how would that help me? can I build it from the source already on the pc?

05:00:22 mircea_popescu: yeah.

05:00:25 mircea_popescu: nah, byron was a poseur.

05:00:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated, when did anyone suddenly open a kindergarten in here ?

05:00:59 asciilifeform: i must've missed it

05:01:01 onlooker: *as something the elitests use..."

05:01:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think it always was half that.

05:01:49 mircea_popescu: onlooker i'm quite famously elitist.

05:02:08 asciilifeform: n6: since nobody else is standing up to do it, i will tell you the bad news: it appears that you are not yet ready for a source-based linux system

05:02:18 asciilifeform: n6: you will have to think and study on your own for a while.

05:02:39 asciilifeform: n6: trying to get hand-fed through this gnarly and unpleasant process will be frustrating both to you and to others

05:03:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00059114 = 5.5863 BTC [-] {2}

05:03:16 mircea_popescu: doesn't seem he knows how this self study thing works, hm ?

05:03:16 n6: asciilifeform: Yes I understand that and its awful to read for everyone else. sorry

05:03:29 n6: mircea_popescu: how can you self study if you don't even know what to look for?

05:03:43 mircea_popescu: ikr?

05:03:55 asciilifeform: n6: please consider reading kernighan and pike's 'the unix programming environment'

05:04:03 asciilifeform: just to get a feel of what it is like

05:04:12 asciilifeform: write, build some simple programs

05:04:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231442 << it might be that you don't know what an experiment actually is.

05:04:47 assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:53:48; ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement

05:04:48 n6: asciilifeform: Ok

05:04:50 asciilifeform: (this is a thin book, 1980s, inexpensive)

05:04:53 mircea_popescu: but it's not just a "hey, something to try out"

05:05:00 onlooker: mircea popescu, yes, but you appear to be of the more logical bent than the standard elitist. Take for example your claim the paying for good things is how we get good things, this may be logical, but in fact the way the world currently works stealing good things has proven to be far more effective, Bankers are elitist too, would you put yourself in the same category as them?

05:05:05 phf: rimbaud naturally

05:05:38 mircea_popescu: onlooker i am de facto a banker, but i doubt the term has any substantial meaning to you past "those meanie assholes that make the house i want cost more than i can afford".

05:05:45 mircea_popescu: phf win.

05:06:08 mircea_popescu: the argument re stealing is actually ancient. it was articulated by the pillars of roman thought, of all people.

05:06:18 mircea_popescu: nevertheless... not as simple as all that.

05:07:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13844 @ 0.00059866 = 8.2878 BTC [+] {3}

05:08:10 mircea_popescu: jesus wtf happened to this log.

05:08:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm getting flashbacks now of my number theory lecture, where we had that gurl

05:08:24 asciilifeform: BUT PROF HOW DO YOU DO IT

05:08:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2014#761497 << that one

05:08:52 assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.

05:09:49 mircea_popescu: eh, i just had the peanut chicken you perhaps remember, and then went for the nude entertainment thing. hard to bother me for a while.

05:10:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00058978 = 15.8651 BTC [-] {2}

05:10:47 asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu has a much thicker pedagogic skin to begin with, i dare say

05:10:50 asciilifeform: like rhinoceros

05:11:16 mircea_popescu: i'll tell you waht it is. i get to sometimes beat the everliving shit out of the students.

05:11:25 mircea_popescu: it soothes a psyche an' brings balance.

05:11:37 mod6: trinque: thanks!

05:13:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00058914 = 7.9534 BTC [-]

05:13:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231494 << this is actually a great fucking point. buncha immature twerps acting out their life like they're in some sort of movie.

05:13:18 assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 23:16:19; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231116 <<< mobile phones mang, it's not just you + her on the beach but you + 1000 beta faggots who follow her twitter/facebook/instagram + her on the beach

05:13:28 onlooker: mircea popescu, exactly and I wouldn't put you in the same category either despite your claim that you are a defacto banker. Anyway, I won't pay for your work, despite admiring your lovely way with language. I just feel that the one thing you miss is that you are not the only one able to come up with genius. Did one person invent the light globe? Copyright seems to say yes, but then the history of the victors is nothing new

05:13:31 mircea_popescu: in this view the nsa spying is more a required public service, like emergency health care.

05:13:58 mircea_popescu: onlooker copyright does not refer to inventions.

05:14:14 onlooker: at least Bitcoin is giving a larger voice to some

05:14:29 asciilifeform: wai wut ?!

05:14:46 *: asciilifeform perhaps lacks the lsd to follow this thread

05:14:58 mircea_popescu: which of the i dunno, three or so

05:15:11 asciilifeform: the 'bitcoin gives voice'

05:15:24 mircea_popescu: lol irony

05:15:26 mircea_popescu: !up onlooker

05:15:35 mircea_popescu: well, it gives voice to someone somewhere i'm sure.

05:15:44 asciilifeform: the 'gurl with 1000 beta' is pretty clear, though it is a case of '1,2,3,infinity'

05:15:53 mircea_popescu: so it is.

05:15:59 asciilifeform: consider a circa-1990s email box

05:16:15 asciilifeform: it is a thing that barely exists outside of the chore of shoveling spamola

05:16:33 asciilifeform: ('98, let's say specifically)

05:16:41 mod6: trinque: sig verifies & patch applies cleanly. thx again.

05:16:51 trinque: np

05:17:01 onlooker: mircea, if you are distinguishing between copyright and patents it seems a petty distinction to me. I put them in the same category, both intend to punish people for copying thoughts and ideas

05:17:10 mircea_popescu: when did knuth give it up, 86 ?

05:17:36 asciilifeform: '89 iirc but not related to spam

05:17:43 asciilifeform: just to the chore of interacting with people

05:18:04 mircea_popescu: onlooker one attaches to form, the other attaches to concept. this is a fundamental distinction in any case. see the earlier thread re lost 1800 tech know-how, and the russian z80s.

05:18:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you perceive a difference there ?

05:18:52 onlooker: askiilifeform, perhaps I should say math is giving voice to the poor, because it doesn't distinguish my data from yours

05:19:03 mircea_popescu: o.O

05:19:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: between the chore of shoveling '98 spam and the chore of answering mail from other maths folks ?

05:19:36 asciilifeform: yes, difference. (though i appreciate knuth's choice)

05:19:38 mircea_popescu: what is it ? lower bar for one group ?

05:19:50 asciilifeform: one is people and the other is cockroaches

05:20:17 asciilifeform: both 'kingdom animalia', sure

05:20:21 mircea_popescu: mebbe not to knuth. but anyway

05:20:43 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231524 << i had it as sushi. kinda sour.

05:20:43 assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 23:32:08; mats: bet it's delicious with soy sauce and ginger

05:21:16 onlooker: it only distinguishes correct data from incorrect

05:21:30 asciilifeform: onlooker: 'math' as this mythological 'sword in the stone' that 'anyone!!!111!!' can just pick up and use, is unfortunately a fiction

05:21:32 mircea_popescu: onlooker how are the poor getting correct data iyo ?

05:21:40 asciilifeform: ^

05:22:39 mircea_popescu: especially with no copyright. they just get cut out of the loop entirely.

05:23:00 mircea_popescu: me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's.

05:23:20 asciilifeform: onlooker: consider, for instance, the predicament of somebody trying to correctly implement plain old rsa algo.

05:23:27 asciilifeform: if you think that you can do it from a textbook, think again.

05:23:30 mircea_popescu: to everyone's benefit, this, of course. but anyway.

05:23:41 asciilifeform: and rsa is ~much~ simpler than, e.g., bitcoin.

05:24:04 asciilifeform: yet virtually anyone who has ever done it, had to saw open six different existing incarnations and study

05:24:18 mircea_popescu: what textbooks ? there are no textbooks because why sell shit for 10 dollars

05:24:27 asciilifeform: and ~still~ had even chances of blowing own head off

05:25:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'textbooks' in this case being - once you reject the outright drivel and pediwikia printouts - dour and very terse, encyclopaedic overview of the basic maths, typically

05:25:37 mircea_popescu: which strictly exists because of the whole IP convention.

05:25:46 onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account

05:26:30 asciilifeform: onlooker: 'participate' ?!!!

05:26:40 asciilifeform: what, precisely, is ^that^ good for ?!

05:26:46 mircea_popescu: apropos of nothing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

05:26:47 assbot: Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IANg6N )

05:27:06 asciilifeform: onlooker: there's a fella who's been sitting in front of the u.s. 'white house' since 1982.

05:27:11 asciilifeform: he is 'participating' in politics ?

05:27:23 onlooker: who are the vast majority of the poor? well, I would argue that those under 15 in the USSA have the biggest skin in the economic game despite being currently mostly excluded from it lol... Crypto could/may change that

05:27:50 asciilifeform: pray tell, how

05:27:59 mircea_popescu: turns out a bunch of pakis trafficked white girls as young as 12 by the thousands, for the reason of being white. which was concealed by the brits.

05:28:30 mircea_popescu: onlooker under 15 what, yo ?!

05:28:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could've sworn this was in the logz

05:29:12 mircea_popescu: if it was i missed it. but really, 20 years, 1-2k girls, this broadly speaking is on par with the results of the serbs.

05:29:36 asciilifeform: except that it was done by the darlings of the lizards

05:29:36 onlooker: mircea popescu, ask yourself this, would bitcoin work without copyright, if the answer is yes, then it's not a requirement for ideas to be shared while keeping an ownership record

05:29:52 asciilifeform: 'what, my dog ate your baby? fuck your baby'

05:30:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00058852 = 19.7154 BTC [-] {3}

05:30:47 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231861 << this is doomed to come back at any rate. i.e. how mozart et al played.

05:30:47 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 05:23:00; mircea_popescu: me and five people will see the cannes films and poor people can watch reruns of "best ads of superbowl" over at denny's.

05:31:03 mircea_popescu: onlooker understand something : you got no leg into the world of ideas. i'm simply not sharing. copyright is there to give you a (slight) chance, nothing else.

05:31:06 asciilifeform: for all i know, this happened already long ago

05:31:28 asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu and the 4 other mircea_popescus are watching the good shit, while from my perch it looks like the entire western culture went poof

05:32:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform earlier at restaurant i gestured for whatever small thing, girl ran off to do, whole tableful of idiotic argentine she-derps sat agape.

05:32:44 mircea_popescu: the unfuckable jersey wearing 30something set, too.

05:33:12 mircea_popescu: and i didn't even charge them for the copyright.

05:33:18 asciilifeform: surprised they paid attention!

05:33:26 onlooker: let me try another angle, would bitcoin work if it wasn't copyrighted? And if the answer is yes, does it follow that this means we can share ideas while keeping a record of who owns what without requiring this antiquated legal system?

05:33:30 mircea_popescu: prolly won't happen again.

05:33:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00060437 = 11.9363 BTC [+] {3}

05:33:44 asciilifeform: i can sit in a restaurant in dc with pet and loudly consider 'let's bring back hitler and make him 300 metres tall and feed him prime jew rib' and no one notices

05:33:51 mircea_popescu: onlooker i don't think the antiquated legal system being retained was at any point contemplated.

05:34:03 mircea_popescu: there's articles about this on fraudsters, you'll get to them in due time.

05:34:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform words do not speak as loudly as actions!

05:34:26 asciilifeform: the sensory bubbles in which u.s. folk walk around in at public places are astonishingly fine

05:34:27 onlooker: so you don't think copyright, patent's or the legal system are antiquated?

05:34:55 trinque: read the logs, guy.

05:35:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing is, you gotta contend with the fact that to many folks, 'copyright' ~means~ britney and microshit

05:35:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mayhap you have the upper hand with that yeah

05:35:26 asciilifeform: we aren't getting mozart for the bargain, no

05:35:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i know where he's coming from. but what do you want me to say.

05:35:49 asciilifeform: if it were mozart - i would see the other perspective, yes

05:36:01 mircea_popescu: the horse's still not slow just because all these donkeys

05:36:20 asciilifeform: never seen the horse with own eyes, and don't expect to live to.

05:37:02 *: mircea_popescu remembers in horror the one and only boston symphonic orchestra session he went to

05:37:15 asciilifeform: what was wrong with it?

05:37:18 mircea_popescu: fucking twerps.

05:37:30 asciilifeform: american symphonics are on par with the rest of third world

05:37:30 mircea_popescu: they played some modern shit. fucking insult to civilisation.

05:37:33 asciilifeform: ugh

05:37:57 asciilifeform: i'll have you know that at my university they play (on symphonic orchestra, yes!).... 'super mario.'

05:38:04 asciilifeform: (and other related)

05:40:47 asciilifeform: obligatory:

05:40:48 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DvCZ5HjbhI

05:40:49 assbot: Futurama - Classical Music - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MURcp0 )

05:40:49 onlooker: I just feel that if we actually shared ideas instead of hiding them from one another the world would be a smarter place. I realise the thinking required to get from here to there is a gargantuan leap

05:41:45 asciilifeform: onlooker: log.bitcoin-assets.com

05:41:53 asciilifeform: onlooker: yearz of ideaz, 100% gratis

05:42:09 asciilifeform: your local university library, too

05:42:20 asciilifeform: or did you have something else in mind.

05:44:26 onlooker: ah, they are old idea lol... they are a good start no doubt, but it's not really my point. Anyway I don't expect the world to see things as I do, if everyone agreed with me I'd be worried anyway lol

05:44:44 asciilifeform: onlooker: i for one would like to know what you had in mind

05:45:05 asciilifeform: i.e. what sort of ideas do you suppose are hidden from you by copyrasty

05:45:34 mats: lol

05:45:38 mircea_popescu: onlooker you're missing the part where i'm not sharing ideas with you. because who are you.

05:45:48 mircea_popescu: without copyrights, intellectual ghetto is a certainty.

05:45:53 asciilifeform: !up onlooker

05:45:58 mircea_popescu: with copyrights, intellectual ghetto is merely an unfortunate side effect.

05:46:30 asciilifeform: intellectual ghetto cuts both ways.

05:46:35 mircea_popescu: so they say.

05:46:37 asciilifeform: (see the adelberger thread)

05:48:08 onlooker: asciilifeform thanks for asking, I guess a lot of the ideas I'm interested in homeopathic and medical stuff. There's a lot of "cures" out there, and so much of it is behind paywalls. I don't really have a plan for how to change it, I just expect it change for the same reason I expect the money to end.

05:48:28 mircea_popescu: in any case, there's no rescuing the poor (and it's a morally dubious proposition to even try). let instead those of the poor that are there undeservedly claw their way out. over many generations of belaboured effort, ideally.

05:48:33 *: asciilifeform head-desks

05:48:37 phf: ^

05:49:19 mats: wat, homeopathic medicine

05:49:20 mircea_popescu: wait. someone seriously imagines they're missing something by not reading random homeopatic tracts ?

05:49:27 onlooker: because despite excellent job adults have done conditioning young people to be slaves, there are some who just won't submit

05:49:30 mircea_popescu: when hiring a psychic, always hire the cheapest.

05:49:47 mircea_popescu: uh.

05:49:50 asciilifeform: where's that 'sanity dogma' piece by mircea_popescu

05:49:50 mircea_popescu: how old are you onlooker ?

05:49:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00058512 = 13.6333 BTC [-] {3}

05:50:33 onlooker: mircea popescu they will only be the cheapest if you stop asking lol

05:52:35 onlooker: old enough to remember when the POTUS was admired as the leader of the free world, and young enough to hope I live to see the last POTUS haha

05:53:01 onlooker: why do you ask? I'm 40 ish

05:53:42 mircea_popescu: well because for a moment the slave thing and a previous comment sort-of made it look possible that you were 15

05:57:03 onlooker: mircea popescu, "the poor" is arbitrary anyway, I'm not suggested they even need rescuing rather they the playing field will be leveled whether the rich or elites help them or not

05:57:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231604 << because it was there first and thus was heard of first and thus etc.

05:57:18 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 03:20:47; asciilifeform: i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator.

05:57:57 mircea_popescu: onlooker nah, the pendulum is swinging the other way. the poor had it way better than anyone would have expected, after the ww2 carnage. it is going away, it is perhaps never coming back to this degree.

05:58:19 onlooker: I wouldn't even try to argue morality, math is the only morality I respect, if you can call it that

05:58:20 mircea_popescu: expect a millenium of actual slavery for the plebs and not be disappointed by the events.

05:58:28 asciilifeform: 'enjoy this dildo, but it has some splinters.' 'mmm, good, but oww' 'here's one with no splinters, laquered' '..... ow'

05:59:49 mircea_popescu: you know what's also fascinating in the same vein asciilifeform ? not everyone's courting the most beautiful girl in town! in a frictionless infospace they would! nevertheless...

06:00:06 asciilifeform: except that this 'gurl' can be in everyone's bed

06:00:12 asciilifeform: just for the asking.

06:00:46 mircea_popescu: like any other.

06:00:52 asciilifeform: mno.

06:00:59 asciilifeform: 'any other' only works like this if you're mircea_popescu

06:01:02 mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised.

06:01:03 mircea_popescu: lol

06:01:18 onlooker: I said I had a son, anyway 15 hey, I guess my grammar and smaller vocab could be an excuse to think that

06:01:20 mircea_popescu: srsly, you need what, 15 minutes of her time tops ? she's got the whole day.

06:01:42 mircea_popescu: onlooker how did you get the idea homeopathy does something, anyway ?

06:01:42 asciilifeform: 'srsly, how hard to build reactor! dig some shit out of the ground, rearrange it a bit'

06:02:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231648 < depends in whose maze.

06:02:25 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 03:41:54; pete_dushenski: being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all

06:03:15 pete_dushenski: well, stan's maze then.

06:03:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231673 < they are useful.

06:03:25 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 03:47:30; mod6: so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction?

06:04:41 onlooker: mircea, homeopathy is practiced by a wide variety and includes a vast array of alternative medicine, I'm not suggesting it all works or doesn't. I'm just pointing out that it's difficult to investigate alternative claims when I have to hack around paywalls that I don't respect

06:05:36 mircea_popescu: i thought homeopathy was that thing where diluting things makes them work.

06:05:56 mircea_popescu: this idea seems to be borne by your talk of vast arrays ?

06:06:07 onlooker: mirciea popescu, now your making fun of me lol

06:06:43 ben_vulpes: just you?

06:06:57 onlooker: perhaps I should have made it more vague and said "alternative medicine"

06:07:53 mircea_popescu: i was actually earnest. but anyway, yes, say alternative medicine, get fewer people in wtf state.

06:08:31 ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell mod6 http://dpaste.com/3YFS9YV.txt << test2 logs for ya << that's the whole log?

06:08:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbfsND )

06:09:33 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: clearly not. just the end parts

06:09:40 ben_vulpes: <phf> re was explained in grant morrison's INVISIBLES series. get your facts, straight son, straight from the source. fnord. << i think there are characters missing from this line but i can't tell

06:10:39 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i STILL don't understand why just about everybody insists on building stator. << adoption takes a few weeks, have you seen the android numbers?

06:11:08 ben_vulpes: unless you're apple and can forcibly cram your changes down the world's throat, you have to wait for the world to catch up to your releases.

06:11:25 onlooker: Ok so alternative medicine, homeopaths are where generally recognised as doctors prior to the AMA and big pharmas takeover of american medicine. If I'm telling you something you don't know I'll feel special :)

06:11:40 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the funny part isn't that folks didn't go straight there, but that 'here is a pill against your headaches from last month+.' '.....'

06:11:48 trinque: lots of people were wrongly recognized as all kinds of things in the past.

06:12:07 trinque: onlooker: ^

06:12:15 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and what happened with that db locks patch of yours

06:12:22 ben_vulpes: those patches

06:12:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose this is when we say that the log is both free and good reading and call it a day.

06:12:33 ben_vulpes: !down onlooker

06:12:37 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: folks who were reading the fucking log, had zero problems.

06:12:38 ben_vulpes: i'm here for ten minutes

06:12:54 ben_vulpes: patches and submissions to the ml must stand on their own.

06:12:58 mircea_popescu: we should be in a syncronised swimming team ben_vulpes

06:13:08 ben_vulpes: log is not adequate documentation.

06:13:24 asciilifeform: folks who somehow thought that the ml has meaning outside of #b-a, and happened to show up and read ml in precisely the wrong three minutes - may have scratched their head in frustration

06:13:38 asciilifeform: and had to patch again, rebuild.

06:13:51 ben_vulpes: "corrected" with no further context is useless.

06:13:53 ben_vulpes: USELESS.

06:14:02 ben_vulpes: why was previous broken?

06:14:07 ben_vulpes: why is current fixed?

06:14:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25673 @ 0.00058481 = 15.0138 BTC [-] {5}

06:14:36 asciilifeform: since ben_vulpes is unhappy with this pattern, the next time ~every~ therealbitcoin node grinds to a halt on account of some shitgnomery, i won't be staying up at 3am releasing a patch.

06:14:44 asciilifeform: will let ben_vulpes do it.

06:15:25 ben_vulpes: eh relax

06:15:42 asciilifeform: srsly context was in the log. and the first time anybody asked, i linked to it.

06:16:18 asciilifeform: i would dearly love to write a lengthy treatise to the ml on every single occasion

06:16:33 asciilifeform: but sadly i work in uranium mine and - not so much time, energy.

06:16:56 asciilifeform: incidentally there is nothing shameful in writing a commentary to another fella's patch

06:17:12 ben_vulpes: somewhere between s.nsa poems and zilc h in email body is some utility i'm sure

06:17:33 ben_vulpes: oh i'm aware, have written at least one taludic entry

06:18:53 ben_vulpes: anyways, do you insist on refusing to see the hysteresis in the system?

06:18:57 pete_dushenski: !up Guest96371

06:19:08 pete_dushenski: hey adam

06:19:13 Guest96371: Mr D how goes it?

06:19:36 pete_dushenski: just cracking away at 'rotor' over here. any you ?

06:20:02 phf: ben_vulpes: i have fresh formulas for the brew. also i've verified that eulora indeed builds with gcc-4.9

06:20:13 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the point i was trying to get across is that we are nowhere near a point where folks who are not #b-a regulars can really get into the true meat of the matter

06:20:22 asciilifeform: and pretending otherwise would, imho, be counterproductive

06:20:30 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: "copy my rotor_buildroot_dot_config to the now-untarred buildroot dir as '.config'" << speaking of which, i seem to be snagged up here. can't find 'rotor_buildroot_dot_config'

06:20:41 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is in the tarball

06:20:46 Guest96371: Sounds like fun! Just figured I would tune in and see if anyone had anything interesting to say!

06:21:09 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150727/rotor_4c86b82236ebc4926a6ace8fb8310f37b948c8f1.tar.gz << it

06:21:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUUbhn )

06:21:24 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: ah k

06:21:49 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no arguments there.

06:22:43 ben_vulpes: but patches *must stand alone*

06:22:46 asciilifeform: for the eulora folks, i will point out that the toolchain in 'rotor' could just as easily build their thing

06:22:50 asciilifeform: if there was some reason to.

06:23:29 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the patches produced with antecedent marks (see earlier thread) could, hypothetically, stand alone.

06:23:44 ben_vulpes: don't confuse the issue.

06:23:46 asciilifeform: one would, if lacking any other guidance, take 'longest chain'

06:24:09 pete_dushenski: Guest96371: there was some pretty decent conversation earlier today, mostly between asciilifeform and mircea_popescu about chip fabrication and game theory. start here maybe http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230072

06:24:09 assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 03:27:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1229784 << this is only a problem of resource distribution. yes, in a world where for incomprehensible reasons every unit of plancton gets disposable money, you get britney spears and reddit.

06:24:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform interesting how it comes to mining

06:24:59 mircea_popescu: all things.

06:25:05 mircea_popescu: all things come home.

06:25:09 asciilifeform: no shit.

06:25:14 asciilifeform: 'lead to rome'

06:25:17 ben_vulpes: aight my ten are up

06:26:10 ben_vulpes: do forgive my frustrated prodding, asciilifeform.

06:26:15 pete_dushenski: Guest96371: and if you also feel like giving 'rotor' (static linux and bitcoin build) a crack : http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html

06:26:16 assbot: [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 )

06:26:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.0005837 = 18.0071 BTC [-] {2}

06:26:56 ben_vulpes: bwaha

06:27:07 ben_vulpes: phf: Error: No such file or directory - getcwd

06:27:12 phf: heheh

06:27:39 ben_vulpes: brew install getcwd fails too

06:27:42 ben_vulpes: wth

06:27:45 ben_vulpes: everything is broken

06:27:51 ben_vulpes: i can't compile anyone's code

06:27:57 ben_vulpes: clearly i don't understand how the world werkz

06:28:21 *: asciilifeform to bed

06:28:35 pete_dushenski: bon soir

06:28:42 *: ben_vulpes to good old fashioned entertainment with girl

06:28:55 phf: i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether

06:29:24 Guest96371: Thanks pete_dushenski I'll have a look :)

06:30:25 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231871 <<< what is with (i assume) americans and no banking under 18? one of the first things we did at school was open a junior saver account whereby each friday the local banker rep would come by to collect our bank books and our $2 deposit each week, every week, each year without fail

06:30:25 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 05:25:46; onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account

06:30:27 pete_dushenski: Guest96371: btw where's your pgp key this fine evening ? y'know you can auth and self-voice with assbot eh

06:31:11 Guest96371: I did, but I was just checking in. I'm heading offline now!

06:31:52 pete_dushenski: mkay

06:40:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00058126 = 5.8707 BTC [-]

06:49:07 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2D45S3S.txt << still tripping up on rotor step 9

06:49:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1goqK9G )

06:49:34 pete_dushenski: i'm probably doing something hilariously wrong, however.

06:59:06 pete_dushenski: ok, turns out i needed 'ncurses'. got that now.

06:59:14 cazalla: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-09/australians-paying-thousands-after-ransomware-virus-infection/6683618 "The deputy chairwoman of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission, Delia Rickard, said over the past two months there had been a spike in the number of people falling victim to the scam. " "The commission has received 2,500 complaints this year and estimates about $400,000 has been paid to the hackers." fucking australians

06:59:15 assbot: Ransomware virus: Australians forced to pay as latest encryption virus is 'unbreakable', security expert says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1hr8BZD )

06:59:15 cazalla: eh

06:59:51 mircea_popescu: so funny that they collect all this data

06:59:56 mircea_popescu: to have what to pay for.

07:00:00 mircea_popescu: total cuckold, the govt.

07:02:58 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform with 'ncurses' installed, i went back to the buildroot dir, tried to 'make' and ended up with 'error 127' http://dpaste.com/0YZX5Y0.txt

07:02:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1gosrUs )

07:02:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:03:17 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231754 << copying, as in I downloaded a torrent and watched it?

07:03:17 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 04:57:03; mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ?

07:05:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24852 @ 0.00058952 = 14.6508 BTC [+]

07:06:47 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform the only other modification i made was choosing 'target architecture : x86_64' in the config menu.

07:06:47 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:10:42 *: pete_dushenski wonders if it matters that 'builtroot' has 'configs', 'Config.in', 'Config.in.legacy', and stan's 'config' file. seems like a lot of configs, but what does he know ?

07:17:53 punkman: pete_dushenski: did you install rsync?

07:18:05 pete_dushenski: mnope

07:21:30 pete_dushenski: !s locale

07:21:32 assbot: 52 results for 'locale' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=locale

07:21:44 punkman: fukken locales, I hate them

07:22:23 pete_dushenski: just installed 'unzip' and 'bc', now "You need at least one UTF8 locale to build a toolchain supporting locales "

07:23:58 punkman: pete_dushenski: perhaps locale-gen will help

07:24:09 punkman: (or set them manually)

07:24:56 pete_dushenski: weird, i tried 'locale-gen' and it came back with 'generation complete', then threw the same error when i tried to 'make' again

07:25:10 punkman: for future testers http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/systemd/chapter07/locale.html

07:25:11 assbot: 7.7. Configuring the System Locale ... ( http://bit.ly/1hra3eu )

07:38:32 pete_dushenski: sweet baby moses i set the locales and the thing's off to the races !!!1

07:44:58 pete_dushenski: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/08/07/donald-trump-and-jon-stewart-arent-so-different-after-all/

07:44:59 assbot: Donald Trump and Jon Stewart aren’t so different after all ... ( http://bit.ly/1hrbhq5 )

07:45:20 pete_dushenski: "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."

07:46:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00058395 = 19.7959 BTC [-]

08:00:37 *: pete_dushenski just noticed asciilifeform's 'if you are having locale issues' note on 'rotor' buildsheet

08:14:05 punkman: pete_dushenski: consider this "gcc, toolchain, etc. will LOAD FROM THE NET!" since you seem to be running it as root

08:17:07 pete_dushenski: hm now it's tell me it can't cd to bitcoin/bitcoin/src and i'm running out of steam this evening.

08:17:14 pete_dushenski: last chunk of logs looks like so : http://dpaste.com/2CTV83N.txt

08:17:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEUutx )

08:17:28 pete_dushenski: for whatever use that may be.

08:17:28 punkman: do you have realpath?

08:17:44 pete_dushenski: yup

08:17:53 punkman: jsut making sure :P

08:18:05 pete_dushenski: reasonable q !

08:18:15 punkman: open rotor.sh, look at the filepaths

08:18:44 pete_dushenski: i'm about as n00bing as they come around here and i still feel like i'm shockingly, wonderfully close to making rotor work

08:20:10 punkman: just gotta change line 49 "cd bitcoin/bitcoin/src;" to something that works

08:20:31 punkman: and you can run rotor_bitcoin_only.sh now

08:22:22 punkman: although there's that gcc failure on bzip, might be a problem

08:23:31 pete_dushenski: punkman: what would be 'something that works' for line 49 of rotor.sh ?

08:23:58 punkman: pete_dushenski: absolute path would probably work

08:27:42 punkman: (if you use bitcoin_only.sh gotta change it there too)

08:29:02 pete_dushenski: i think this project can wait to be continued tomorrow.

08:29:21 pete_dushenski: thanks punkman, your help is much appreciated.

08:29:30 pete_dushenski: g'nite !

08:30:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12659 @ 0.00059078 = 7.4787 BTC [+] {3}

08:30:37 punkman: why is it looking for bzip? it's supposed to be toggled by "./bjam toolset=gcc link=static -sNO_BZIP2=1 -sNO_ZLIB=1 -sNO_COMPRESSION=1;"

08:36:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00060104 = 14.1845 BTC [+] {3}

09:03:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00060525 = 17.5825 BTC [+] {4}

09:35:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00060652 = 4.1547 BTC [+] {3}

09:44:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15262 @ 0.00059402 = 9.0659 BTC [-] {2}

09:45:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27338 @ 0.00058744 = 16.0594 BTC [-]

10:04:53 wywialm: hi

10:06:11 chetty: hola

10:06:27 wywialm: ben_vulpes, the application is currently a standalone python app, not a web browser app. We are working on a convenient in-browser app that would work with PGP

10:12:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00058625 = 4.5141 BTC [-] {3}

10:17:25 punkman: wywialm: are you planning to use openpgp.js?

10:18:57 wywialm: considering it, but sane in-browser pgp is not straightforward

10:24:03 punkman: just say no

10:25:58 kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231118 < lolk

10:25:58 assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 17:36:20; phf: i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian

10:38:11 wywialm: punkman, is there something that i should be aware of in case of openpgp.js? is it flawed?

10:38:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34950 @ 0.00060692 = 21.2119 BTC [+] {3}

10:39:36 punkman: wywialm: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#974719

10:39:36 assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 19:56:48; punkman: PSA: openpgpjs is broken

10:40:45 wywialm: thanks for the info, could you point to more details?

10:41:31 punkman: well dunno might appear to be working now, but I've tried validation openpgp.js signatures from 3 people and all failed

10:41:38 punkman: *validating

10:43:56 shinohai: Javascript cryptography is a big no-no anyway

10:46:58 wywialm: well, this is one of reasons we now have only a desktop app

10:48:54 shinohai: ;;ticker

10:48:55 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 264.26, Best ask: 264.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 264.26, 24 hour volume: 44712.31461482, 24 hour low: 260.62, 24 hour high: 278.35, 24 hour vwap: None

10:55:20 shinohai: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ <<< top kek

10:55:21 assbot: Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )

10:56:41 punkman: Available Supply 60,393,161 Total Supply 72,294,645 ETH

10:56:45 punkman: it's all for sale :P

11:06:54 shinohai: If you want to be an Ethereum god, nows yer chance.

11:07:24 punkman: http://banxcapital.com/

11:07:27 assbot: Bitcoin Investment - Crypto Shares | Banx Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1PexYcz )

11:07:29 punkman: lulzy

11:10:09 kakobrekla: http://banxcapital.com/about/ (see ceo pic) http://www.onlineprofitpartner.com/special/

11:10:13 assbot: Bitcoin Investment - Crypto Shares | Banx Capital ... ( http://bit.ly/1Peyasf )

11:10:15 assbot: Online Profit Partner ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeyaIz )

11:10:15 shinohai: lol ... "Your ticket to the moon"

11:10:53 shinohai: Sound like just another MLM scam to me.

11:13:20 shinohai: Ethereum, now with pyramid schemes: http://pastebin.com/AGDsJL6j

11:13:20 assbot: These are the first ever verifiable pyramid schemes with provably known rules! - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeykzF )

11:14:06 kakobrekla: backed by the govt.

11:14:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8245 @ 0.00058635 = 4.8345 BTC [-]

11:20:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00058602 = 13.6836 BTC [-] {3}

11:39:19 shinohai: http://samouraiwallet.com/ heh

11:39:20 assbot: Samourai Bitcoin Wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1PezwTE )

11:39:41 shinohai: imma request alpha access to see if I can break it.

11:50:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13632 @ 0.00060738 = 8.2798 BTC [+]

11:59:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.13187112 = 1.3187 BTC [+] {4}

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12:23:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00058973 = 10.6446 BTC [+] {2}

12:31:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16307 @ 0.00058974 = 9.6169 BTC [+]

13:00:26 punkman: http://marklyford.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Lyford-Company-Tree-25-June-2015.jpg

13:00:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KbNGR8 )

13:50:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00059975 = 1.8292 BTC [+] {2}

13:51:59 mircea_popescu: chetty : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1231874 here is your argument, in all its hideous nude glory. and it goes like so :

13:51:59 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 05:26:46; mircea_popescu: apropos of nothing : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

13:52:32 mircea_popescu: some people, for reasons nobody really grasps in spite of trying for millenia (yes, it's a thing since forever) and in spite of having maybe some decent theories, want to fuck twelve year olds.

13:53:32 mircea_popescu: the white people who want this generally sit around the internet "being cypherpunks" and exchanging... depictions of the act. and often enough being "caught" and "prosecuted", on the very untenable rationale that their engagement in the victimless "crime" of exchanging bits somehow promotes and empowers the actual people doing the actual crime of you know, raping preteens.

13:54:15 mircea_popescu: we don't really know what the paki people who want this do, chiefly because we don't want to. but if we do : in pakistan, they go right the fuck ahead and rape the lot. and in rotherdam, england, they do the exact same.

13:55:13 mircea_popescu: this is the whole thing. what'd you tell a guy who wants to rape twelve year olds ? that it's bad ? he did not ask you that. and you can tell him to you know, wait around on social media untill the cute teenie across the street douses herself in gasoline and invites him over.

13:56:18 mircea_popescu: the alternative, where he texts a chick "hey, we got our sister, we're torturing her, come join" just as the chick in question was giving testimony to the supposed government of the uk - a more illegitimate contrivance never having been known to man, incidentally, they have all the legitimacy to govern kim jong il's favourite dog does.

13:56:21 mircea_popescu: and she does. SHE DOES.

13:56:59 mircea_popescu: offered the simple choice of A. stick with the alleged representatives of the schmucks that trade pictures of your rape and jack off in "online anonymity" and joining the raping party, she chooses to join the raping party.

13:57:38 mircea_popescu: that's the discussion. there is not now, nor was ever, nor will ever be invented a manner, stratagem or device to circumvent activity, or to make the passive on par with the active.

13:58:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5231 @ 0.00059976 = 3.1373 BTC [+]

14:03:46 mircea_popescu: the entire fancy with western society and emancipation and freedom and have you rests on the reserve, no matter how muted, that "it's either this or we rape you". it needs to sit there like the nuclear option needs to sit on the table, for once it goes away, twelve fucking year olds choose, of their own fucking free will, to join the pakis for an all night / all weekend / all the years to come anal stretching, caned bu

14:03:46 mircea_popescu: ttocks and generally bloodied existence. that's how her choice plays out, and in her age and in her anonimity i believe she stands representative.

14:04:31 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the fucking ~times~ has to do its own investigation because the reps of the crown are completely lost in their pipe dreams to the point they're covering themselves in the mud of publicly ridicule eagery and with both hands.

14:04:53 mircea_popescu: the fucking township in question has to pay independent experts to come and inquire, because it's fucking 1600 iowa over there in rotherdam.

14:05:08 mircea_popescu: and the sheriff never made it yet to the territory.

14:06:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00058403 = 18.2801 BTC [-] {3}

14:08:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22576 @ 0.00059976 = 13.5402 BTC [+]

14:08:56 mircea_popescu: how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?

14:09:40 mircea_popescu: seems odd. if you want it, that legitimacy and that position, boys and girls, this is what you do. and that you don't do it is why people, such as myself, mostly point and laugh at your untenable pretenses of "regulating" bitcoin or online whatever.

14:11:07 mircea_popescu: i'm sure "the commerce clause" allows one to invade and try rotherdam just as well as it allows one to put the silkroad derp in prison and try miloshevich. why the fuck not, after all.

14:18:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00060047 = 22.998 BTC [+] {3}

14:20:48 mircea_popescu: and in all this rests a lesson for practical everyday use, too. if you are actually man enough to let your girl know you'll beat the shit out of her if need be, which you generally won't even need to do after an initial stage of infantile testing of the theory as proposed, she'll be the most loving, loyal and internally happy woman that she could ever be.

14:20:49 mircea_popescu: whereas if you do not, she ~might~, maybe, manage to maintain superior brain function control over the rest of herself, and be some sort of a first approximation of the above. maybe. or maybe she won't, and go seek to be assuaged in the arms of other men, more inclined to provide the need - for it is a need. the surogates may work or not, but generally dont, and you'll know about it because if she thinks you're enough

14:20:49 mircea_popescu: of a girlfriend of hers rather than a man she'll tell you.

14:21:07 mircea_popescu: how's that for a "basics of relationships" guide.

14:23:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16177 @ 0.00060674 = 9.8152 BTC [+]

14:29:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00060722 = 7.2563 BTC [+]

14:29:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232067 << an do what ? gardening and child rearing ?

14:29:44 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 06:28:55; phf: i'm pretty sure once i manage to build eulora on someone else's machine i'm just going to retire from computing altogether

14:33:41 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232108 << i never watched any of the first or much of the second, but it is painfully obvious even from five minutes no matter how chosen that the principal function of the stewart twerp is exactly the same thing as with that other one what's his face.

14:33:41 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 07:45:20; pete_dushenski: "Though the Trump show and the Daily Show both present populist, anti-establishment points of view, their use of entertainment provides a way to actually reinforcere the political and economic power of the establishment that both regularly admonish."

14:33:43 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/parody-is-not-there-for-you-cancerous-fags-to-try-and-hide-your-cancer-behind-it/ < this one.

14:33:44 assbot: "Parody" is not there for you cancerous fags to try and hide your cancer behind it. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9xolV )

14:34:08 mircea_popescu: in fact im pretty sure he's just doing a stewart repackaging, but with more "support the government!" spam in it.

14:37:30 mircea_popescu: kindergarten keepers in costume, basically.

14:37:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00060722 = 16.0913 BTC [+]

14:37:39 mircea_popescu: because what do the kiddies watching know.

14:40:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17082 @ 0.00060767 = 10.3802 BTC [+] {3}

14:41:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232173 << sad, but true. imbeciles.

14:41:20 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 11:14:06; kakobrekla: backed by the govt.

14:42:05 mircea_popescu: because yeah, doubling down against mp ever fucking worked. so maryland uni really wants to "win" at internets, right ? digs itself deeper, alf thinks hey, they're home free. i say it won't last, he says nothing ever lasts, we're at a standoff.

14:43:16 mats: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/09/us-teslamotors-cash-insight-idUSKCN0QE0DC20150809

14:43:17 assbot: Insight: Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9znXm )

14:43:52 mircea_popescu: doh.

14:46:33 kakobrekla: how is 4k anything

14:46:43 kakobrekla: how much the car costs 100k?

14:47:40 mircea_popescu: so what's the idea, "i'm making a loss on every sale but hope to make it up on volume" ?

14:48:09 mircea_popescu: if a car costs more to make than it retails for, it costs more to make than it should by about 50%. you think volksvagen spends 20k to make a car they sell for 30 ? they don't.

14:48:09 kakobrekla: the question is whats the point of not charging 104k instead 100k

14:48:17 mircea_popescu: ah

14:48:31 mircea_popescu: i would guess their costs balooned unexpectedly after they had the marketing discussion and fixed a price point

14:48:37 mircea_popescu: and were stuck and didn't know hjow to fix it.

14:48:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30073 @ 0.00060803 = 18.2853 BTC [+] {3}

14:48:56 kakobrekla: ah maybe.

14:48:59 punkman: you mean Tesla can't find a dozen stupid things to upsell?

14:49:18 mircea_popescu: their "home battery" thing isn't catching on.

14:49:35 mircea_popescu: which is suppose is technically better than it catching fire, but this is only from the pov of anyone but tesla.

14:51:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.0006062 = 11.3056 BTC [-] {4}

14:57:17 shinohai: But they have a nifty snake-like auto charger now!

14:58:00 *: mircea_popescu remembers the days last decade when apple was making money by including a two inch cable for chargers and selling a normal length one.

14:58:25 mircea_popescu: somehow the crappleheads took deliberate bugs for features throughout the lifetime of that scam.

15:10:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23057 @ 0.00061408 = 14.1588 BTC [+]

15:10:07 kakobrekla: dont they still do approx the same

15:10:28 mircea_popescu: i confess i've not been following. maybe.

15:10:29 kakobrekla: 50 bux cable with proprietary connector

15:10:51 kakobrekla: the good thing is chinese dont give a fuck and copy it for a buck, but it works only for a week, if.

15:11:16 mircea_popescu: yet.

15:11:24 mircea_popescu: that's how they started, i recall the shit they proudly made in the 80s

15:11:34 mircea_popescu: "made in china" lol, was like... "found by dumpster"

15:13:12 asciilifeform: danielpbarron et al: herr fare has a new site, http://ngnghm.github.io

15:13:13 assbot: Houyhnhnm Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9FUl2 )

15:13:27 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/dTV6PWv.webm <<< Brasil is where IT'S AT!

15:13:28 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9FWcx )

15:14:37 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232205 << mircea_popescu knows exactly why.

15:14:37 assbot: Logged on 09-08-2015 14:08:56; mircea_popescu: how come the us schmucks ranting on about their endless and universal jurisdiction over everything to the degree that they seek the extradition of random people derping on the internet have yet failed to seek the extradition of the i dunno, 10k or whatever pakis from england that did the child porn one better ?

15:15:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mircea_popescu doesn't give a shit about that.

15:15:07 asciilifeform: the pakis are a designated imported predator, as per 'yi yi zhi yi' algo. they are doing their job.

15:15:09 mircea_popescu: i'm not in the business of understandingly strangling the enemy.

15:15:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform poor pakis.

15:15:34 asciilifeform: (yes, the pakis are enforcers for usg.)

15:16:08 mircea_popescu: at least the turks just massacred the armenians. what their allies the anglos did in east india...

15:16:11 mircea_popescu: "i have sinned"

15:16:49 asciilifeform: think, without pakis, how much less air compressor for the real estate bubble in paki-free zones

15:17:32 asciilifeform: the more rapy, from this perspective, the more effective.

15:17:35 mircea_popescu: and how many women sexually frustrated.

15:18:00 asciilifeform: same algo was successfully used in usa

15:18:01 mircea_popescu: i think by now it takes about a dozen englishmen to screw in the lightbulb so to speak.

15:18:08 chetty: well zeros new urban planning thing will fix it so no more paki free zones

15:18:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.00061668 = 27.2573 BTC [+] {6}

15:18:13 asciilifeform: british usg colonial lapdogs merely copied.

15:18:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine for a second if you will, how utterly it must suck to be one of the paki betas. which yes, all groups have in the same proportion everywhere, and what's more

15:19:11 mircea_popescu: immigrants are selected for beta, always. because fuck, alpha's not leaving.

15:19:49 mircea_popescu: "your job is to X and i don't recall asking if you were rather equipped for Y mr. whatsyourname!"

15:20:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must point out that this is only applicable to agricultural tribes. chechens and other migratories - not so! alpha leaves. raiding party.

15:20:27 mircea_popescu: a people that was principally known for excewllent house servants a century ago is now suddenly and magically turned into this mythological black beast of southern yore ?

15:20:40 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mebbe.

15:21:41 mircea_popescu: on the other hand, the number of black dudes inadequate about their penis ("it's only six and a half inches!!!") far exceedes the number of white dudes so worried (its like four dude.)

15:21:43 asciilifeform: now, for the other prong of the question, 'omg121111!!1111 ch1ld pr0n!' prosecutions in usa are always, without exception about one thing: 'know that you can go to the camps for having certain bitstrings on your hdd. and that if we want to, we can put them there, aha.'

15:21:52 mircea_popescu: which percent-wise is "vast majority" sorta thing

15:22:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are aware i was discussing the formal, not the substantial reality, rite?

15:24:04 asciilifeform: aha.

15:24:15 asciilifeform: but doesn't hurt to illustrate the substantial a bit.

15:24:54 mircea_popescu: in other lulz of today, "genocide of white race - all white women fuck black guys, white genes are recessive, future will be all black babies!!1"

15:25:16 mircea_popescu: derps never went to fucking school already. here's a little secret : the DEFINITION of a recessive gene is "the gene which never dies out"

15:25:46 mircea_popescu: that's the thing. why we still have hemophilia in spite of it not being desirable : dominant genes manifest by themselves, and thus you can't have unharmed carriers, and thus they die out under pressure.

15:26:02 mircea_popescu: recessive genes do not manifest by themselves, thus you can have unaffected carriers. thus they never die out.

15:26:27 mircea_popescu: and yes even today black couples have blue eyed, blond haired babies. it happens.

15:27:55 *: mircea_popescu idly imagines what nazi germany'd have been like if instead of extermination camps, they just had laws that made jewish women go around naked and always say yes to cock.

15:28:24 mircea_popescu: if the traditional hussiness of the jewish young woman's any indication...

15:28:32 mircea_popescu: thousand year reich fo sho.

15:33:12 asciilifeform: http://fare.tunes.org/computing/reclaim_your_computer.html << turns out fare has some decent material

15:33:13 assbot: Who Controls Your Computer? (And How to make sure it's you) ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9KkIA )

15:33:19 asciilifeform: from back when.

15:33:43 asciilifeform: or hm, undated

15:35:04 asciilifeform: hmm^2, definitely borrows material from us, rather than vice-versa.

15:35:18 asciilifeform: unattributed.

15:35:43 mircea_popescu: "1.1.4 The buck stops with you"

15:35:52 mircea_popescu: not bad, but also a show stopper.

15:38:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00062008 = 7.906 BTC [+]

15:39:15 mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/bd2de1675743ceef8e270f91abcd9a99/tumblr_nnjacww45d1tqyeivo1_1280.jpg << like the first good one.

15:39:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9LV13 )

15:40:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00060559 = 14.0497 BTC [-]

15:44:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 5.1.3 is lulzy

15:44:28 asciilifeform: (2,3)

15:48:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00062014 = 14.6353 BTC [+] {2}

15:50:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9304 @ 0.00060687 = 5.6463 BTC [-]

15:51:29 *: mircea_popescu reloads the page

15:51:57 mircea_popescu: "5.1.3 The Ultimate Stake Let me stress what is ultimately at stake: Liberty itself. In this race between human farmers and free humans, there are only two possible end games: in the end, either we extirpate farming, by exterminating any would-be farmer, or they turn humans into cattle, and extirpate any free will by exterminating free men."

15:52:05 mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder why is thinking so difficult anyway.

15:52:33 asciilifeform: not that 'thinking is hard,' but that pulling one's cock is easy

15:52:39 mircea_popescu: there is only one possible end game, and that is a thermodynamic constraint. otherwise, what fucking end game. some people will be slaves and some people will be stuck with the broadly unappealing job of herding them.

15:53:02 mircea_popescu: i guess you're right.

15:53:14 mircea_popescu: anwyay, /me lacks the patience for that page.

15:53:18 asciilifeform: in a farm process, there are three animals, rather than two

15:53:29 asciilifeform: not only farmer and cow,

15:53:32 asciilifeform: but also milk-drinker

15:53:38 mircea_popescu: only recently.

15:53:42 asciilifeform: aha

15:54:06 mircea_popescu: but i mean things more dunfamental. like. "liberty itself is at stake".

15:54:24 mircea_popescu: obviously you took no programming, or otherwise you'd know you can't possibly dereference ... THE CONCEPT OF REFERENCE.

15:54:29 mircea_popescu: motherfucker.

15:55:09 asciilifeform: that page is a valuable anthropologic resource, though. fella clearly has been lurking here for years

15:55:23 asciilifeform: (based on clues in other sections)

15:55:36 mircea_popescu: always with this immodest wankery.

15:55:53 mircea_popescu: schmucks on one side of the twitter debate are "saving the environment" while schmucks at the other side are "liberty is at stake!!!"

15:55:55 mircea_popescu: as fucking if.

15:56:16 asciilifeform: symptom of the basic difficulty of escaping 'enemy with outposts in your head'

15:56:23 mircea_popescu: check it out yo, if you keep farting you might end good digestion itself!!1

15:56:58 mircea_popescu: "there used to be such a thing as intestinal transit. sadly that ended one day some dude from paris, wisconsin didn't wipe his ass properly."

15:57:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00062146 = 33.4967 BTC [+] {2}

16:02:21 asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2015/08/karbala-ew-keysight.htm << mega-l0l

16:02:23 assbot: Karbala EW Attacks Keysight ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9RpJ7 )

16:05:45 mircea_popescu: cynthia_johnson@agilent.com

16:05:48 mircea_popescu: lol poor woman.

16:06:13 mircea_popescu: "we are observing the scene and waiting . you are not anonymous . expect us ." << notice a change ?

16:07:00 asciilifeform: nah

16:07:10 asciilifeform: same spiel since... '10 ?

16:07:17 mircea_popescu: no. it was "we are legion. expect us."

16:09:04 asciilifeform: big phat difference ?

16:09:22 mircea_popescu: major differences. fucking plural.

16:09:27 asciilifeform: still waiting for the interesting seekretz

16:10:01 mircea_popescu: how about you date some agilent women then ?

16:10:27 mircea_popescu: that's your opening, srsly. "hey, I got your email off the cryptome leak thing. wanna go for a cup of coffee ?"

16:11:12 asciilifeform: i doubt very much that there are women in 'compartments'

16:11:35 mircea_popescu: this is like saying "you doubt very much there is water in the crust".

16:11:39 asciilifeform: eh no.

16:11:40 mircea_popescu: ever heard of fracking ?

16:12:10 asciilifeform: example of interesting seekrit: 'magic packet that turns an intel nic to arbitrary-dma whatever into/out of ram'

16:12:44 mircea_popescu: so what are you waiting for. go get it! your list's there.

16:12:52 asciilifeform: the general rule is that an item like this is known to 3 people: the fella who ordered it; the fella who implemented it; and the fella in charge of shooting either or both if they talk

16:13:04 mircea_popescu: and the women.

16:13:39 asciilifeform: nah those know, respectively, 'mine signs paper,' 'mine diddles code,' 'mine shoots'

16:13:52 mircea_popescu: the woman dude. not the cows. the women.

16:14:07 asciilifeform: they have those in usa ?

16:14:13 mircea_popescu: make some if they don't.

16:14:25 asciilifeform: l0l out of what

16:15:18 shinohai: BingoBoingo: make qntra piece? http://cointelegraph.com/news/115086/windows-ethereum-users-affected-by-private-key-bug

16:15:19 assbot: Windows Ethereum Users Affected by Private Key Bug ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9Uglk )

16:15:53 asciilifeform: Run Moar Winblowz!

16:17:04 asciilifeform: moar lulzy from same rag, http://cointelegraph.com/news/115075/fundamentally-apolitical-bitcoin-arrives-in-cuba-amid-us-relations-thaw

16:17:05 assbot: ‘Fundamentally Apolitical’ Bitcoin Arrives in Cuba amid US Relations Thaw ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9UFnM )

16:17:09 asciilifeform: ^ man? woman? robot ?

16:20:50 shinohai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN-QpuXIJtM

16:20:51 assbot: Hitler finds out Ethereum was dumped on the IPO - Altcoins Parody - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBYBDw )

16:23:33 punkman: "While setting privacy permissions on the keys directory, insufficient error handling can cause the key files to not be written; this may be widespread on the Windows platform. As such, current versions of AlethZero and eth may include identities for which there exists no underlying key."

16:24:38 shinohai: This is the future of cryptocurrency .....

16:35:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59261 @ 0.00062148 = 36.8295 BTC [+] {5}

16:45:38 mircea_popescu: lollercopter.

16:45:54 mircea_popescu: users that lost money, direct all inquiries for repayment to university of maryland.

16:51:33 mircea_popescu: see http://fraudsters.com/2015/on-the-elaine-shi-and-andrew-miller-scam-ring/ for details of who to contact.

16:51:34 assbot: On the Elaine Shi and Andrew Miller scam ring on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1O3VS )

16:52:01 mircea_popescu: i'm sure they'll make you whole, but if they don't you certainly can get a lawyer and sue them personally and u of maryland for joint and serveral liability.

16:52:13 mircea_popescu: and settlements for something like that start at six digits.

16:59:52 shinohai: Hopefully they dumped at $3 kek

17:02:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way it works, is that nsf (usg direct) provided truck full of money. umd is just one of the bordellos with which this heap purchased whores

17:03:01 mircea_popescu: nobody ever won a war by killing the "high command".

17:03:09 mircea_popescu: ima grind the soldiers on the ground into toothpaste.

17:03:14 asciilifeform: go, grind.

17:03:20 mircea_popescu: no need to go.

17:03:40 asciilifeform: i just drove by the place. it is not only still standing but swarming with fresh chumpers

17:03:56 mircea_popescu: awww.

17:04:15 asciilifeform: (this is their season)

17:04:20 mircea_popescu: not quite as fresh as a few years ago, and so on and on.

17:04:37 asciilifeform: on the contrary, they are running out of places to put'em

17:04:55 mircea_popescu: this usually connotes stale.

17:06:35 asciilifeform: and i saw a curio that mircea_popescu might appreciate. the largest textbook shop was demolished and replaced with a kind of 'convenience store'. i went in, and saw that approximately 1/3 of the floor space was for menstrual products; a third - for condoms; and most of a third - for gurl phashion paraphernalia. (the small change remaining - iPnohe cabling, etc.)

17:06:58 asciilifeform: by last Official count, the uni is 60-65% female.

17:07:19 mircea_popescu: they actually expect to be paid for condoms ?!

17:07:29 mircea_popescu: i thought those were free on campus and still nobody uses them

17:07:35 asciilifeform: complicated

17:07:37 asciilifeform: 1) yes, free

17:07:50 asciilifeform: 2) no one wants to be seen as 'soviet' and using the standard phree ver.

17:08:01 asciilifeform: hence - ten grades of preeemium

17:08:08 mircea_popescu: i don't get this.

17:08:15 mircea_popescu: wouldnt you WANT to be seen as exactly that ?

17:08:42 mircea_popescu: last i heard about a third of the kids pointedly wore army surpluss stuff.

17:08:58 asciilifeform: not here.

17:09:17 asciilifeform: plus the phree usg condoms don't have fruit juices, built-in vibratory devices, and other nonsense

17:09:39 punkman: but do they have added vitamins?

17:10:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.000607 = 16.4194 BTC [-] {2}

17:10:20 mircea_popescu: fruit juices good help us

17:10:32 mircea_popescu: why not just put half an orange on the thing.

17:10:37 mircea_popescu: it'll juice alright.

17:14:19 ag3nt_zer0: good morning folks... please enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSTDibqXuGo&index=3&list=PL53FB98B70F61C9DB

17:14:21 assbot: Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau "Ich habe genug" J.S.Bach - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1RgEO )

17:15:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28240 @ 0.00060668 = 17.1326 BTC [-] {5}

17:19:32 *: shinohai thanks ag3nt_zer0 for the fine music selection ...

17:20:52 shinohai: Enjoy this view with the music: https://i.imgur.com/6CAy9Py.png

17:20:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1S24N )

17:23:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112850 @ 0.00062227 = 70.2232 BTC [+] {3}

17:25:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00060559 = 4.7236 BTC [-]

17:27:04 ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: my pleasure man... so beautiful

17:27:38 shinohai: I'm a sucker for bach, and I especially love hearing Segovia play it.

17:27:45 shinohai: Because, geetars man

17:28:10 shinohai: !up n6

17:28:11 ag3nt_zer0: you play?

17:28:24 ag3nt_zer0: i have been working my segovia scales a bit haha

17:28:27 shinohai: Yup, well I used to when I had time.

17:34:29 n6: I hate to ask for support in here again but gave up on lsub idea and reinstalled, now I can't get wireless working at all using cli, tried setting up a conf file becuase wpa_cli woudln't connect with wpa_supplicant but that didnt work. at a loss for where to go next on my quest for a source based distro.

17:34:44 n6: it works fine if i boot into live cd and put the info in

17:35:22 ben_vulpes: !up Duffer1

17:35:24 ben_vulpes: wb yo

17:35:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00062246 = 13.4451 BTC [+] {3}

17:35:46 ag3nt_zer0: Dietrich Fischer Dieskau is the guy who cracked open the wonder of "classical" singing to me - Before him, I liked it, but didn't really feel connected to it in the same way that I was to sonic youth and nine inch nails haha... then I saw some videos of dieskau doing Schubert lierder and I was fuckiing blasted - the dude like physically changed into the different character of the song - and the lyrical sensibility of Schu

17:35:51 danielpbarron: n6, i was never able to get wifi working on my gentoo install so good luck with that

17:35:52 ag3nt_zer0: it was fucking rock and roll

17:36:08 ag3nt_zer0: *characters

17:36:42 shinohai: ag3nt_zer0: you like neo-classical guitar too?

17:36:58 ag3nt_zer0: sure I like all honest music

17:37:17 shinohai: This guy is insane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSY9N_J5RUU

17:37:17 assbot: (Storm Rider) Gentaro Satomura Neo-Classical Sweep Solo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1TQuy )

17:37:22 ag3nt_zer0: and maybe some unabashadly dishonest that I havent been graced to hear yet

17:37:54 ag3nt_zer0: *unabashedly

17:38:25 ag3nt_zer0: thanks I'll have a listen :)

17:43:13 trinque: n6: you may need to emerge linux-firmware; however, you're best off looking for gentoo support in #gentoo

17:44:09 n6: thanks as always trinque. gonna try again after emerging firmware

17:50:21 ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf new logdump for ya

17:50:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:50:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85200 @ 0.00062295 = 53.0753 BTC [+] {4}

17:53:15 ag3nt_zer0: shinahai: yeah wow... have you ever checked out the guitarist stanley jordan (plays two guitars touch tap technique)? that guy is amazing as well... good character too - walked away from fame and shit town to do music therapy

17:53:15 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:53:36 ag3nt_zer0: haha whats that?

17:54:03 shinohai: Yeah Stanley Jordan is awesum

17:55:08 shinohai: I even didn't hate on him for that Stairway cver.

17:55:16 shinohai: *cover

17:56:33 shinohai: This kid is great at tap guitar too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_dA_iFPeRw

17:56:34 assbot: TETRIS THEME - ZACK KIM - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1mJVq )

18:10:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00062459 = 11.9297 BTC [+] {2}

18:20:52 mircea_popescu: in other new, pervyleague http://41.media.tumblr.com/0a9640ea2d4186797493a3d96d0fd5ff/tumblr_nk4fke8iic1tqyeivo1_1280.jpg

18:20:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1pLZP )

18:21:31 ag3nt_zer0: love this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tqh6_e_X5s&list=PL352CGbOeT0nNizlUz7K1gJ1o39__xP1G

18:21:32 assbot: Julian Bream - Fandanguillo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1pRkn )

18:22:16 asciilifeform: error: cocks visible

18:23:03 shinohai: Now it's like throwing a hotdog down a hallway #rekt

18:24:00 shinohai: Also, "privilege "

18:24:02 ben_vulpes: cunts are stretchy man.

18:24:18 ben_vulpes: remarkable things, really.

18:25:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/SnUhZRR << remember them ?

18:25:27 assbot: NearlyFreeSpeech.Net (web hosting) accepts bitcoin - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1qrP2 )

18:25:59 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/iG9SVyf.jpg

18:26:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1qx9g )

18:26:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2015#1188281 << l0l apparently old nyooz

18:26:19 assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 16:21:23; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu seems like 'nearlyfreespeech co.' takes btc now..

18:52:37 mod6: So Shinohai and I just got done testing my TEST2 bundle with rotor script. We've built successfully on: Gentoo/glibc, Ubuntu 10.04, Debian 6 and Debian 8 :: All x86_64

18:53:44 shinohai: I propose adding that location echo to the script mod6 so as not to cause noob hair-pulling.

18:54:05 mod6: If someone wants to give it a try on x86_64 on a similar linux let me know. I've had to install a few pre-reqs on a totally bare minimum 10.04 like: build-essentials, curl, rsync, and unzip

18:54:20 asciilifeform: neato

18:54:34 mod6: ah shinohai, location echo?

18:54:41 asciilifeform: btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net

18:54:49 asciilifeform: ditto curl

18:54:53 mod6: yeah, that's after we freeze everything though right?

18:54:55 asciilifeform: aha

18:54:58 mod6: ok np

18:56:00 mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I have a script for you to try on Debian 7 to build TEST2 with rotor. You might need to install a few minor pre-reqs. I can hold your hand if required for that part. Let me know when you have some time.

18:56:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:56:52 mod6: asciilifeform: only main change I had to make other than pulling down the TEST2 bundle itself was to add this: sed -i 's/bitcoin\/bitcoin\/src/bitcoin\/src/' rotor.sh

18:57:50 asciilifeform: this suggests that the dir structure was not created correctly

18:57:53 asciilifeform: in this test

18:58:27 mod6: no, mine's fine.

18:58:34 mod6: its just the way that jurov demands that it works.

18:58:44 asciilifeform: wai wut

18:58:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83802 @ 0.00062553 = 52.4207 BTC [+] {3}

18:59:13 mod6: remember when jurov was mad at me because i put everything underneath of v0_5_3_1/ instead of just being what it was.

18:59:30 asciilifeform: ah hm

18:59:34 mod6: so now it extracts and it's just bitcoin/src

18:59:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14998 @ 0.00062737 = 9.4093 BTC [+]

19:00:04 asciilifeform: whatever. so long as it works when i get it back and test it

19:00:15 mod6: haha, right.

19:00:31 mod6: i have a script for you to look over, review, read, and try out if you like:

19:00:37 asciilifeform: hm?

19:01:05 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/test-builds/v0.5.4/amd64/rotor-TEST2.sh

19:01:06 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1OZGQlq )

19:01:20 mod6: main major requirement x86-64

19:02:26 asciilifeform: looks reasonable to naked eye. will test later when i get back to the machine where i do this.

19:02:29 mod6: someone can also not run this as a script and just run these commands one line at a time if they please.

19:02:38 mod6: thanks asciilifeform

19:05:54 shinohai: Testing on Ubuntu precise nau

19:06:08 mod6: last reminder to all who are following along: TEST2 is patched up through maxint_locks_corrected

19:07:34 kakobrekla: recv-keys not using fingerprints ?

19:07:36 asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-test-loongson-ls3a-2way-server-v1-1-TY-RS780ED-by-DHL-or-EMS-/252038825704

19:07:38 assbot: 100 Test Loongson LS3A 2way Server V1 1 Ty RS780ED by DHL or EMS | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4Asv0 )

19:07:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:07:44 asciilifeform: ^ or other archaeologists, explorerz

19:08:15 asciilifeform: i dare say that recv-keys is an evil

19:08:15 mod6: kakobrekla: it needs a bit of cleanup before we're through

19:08:27 mod6: thanks tho

19:08:33 asciilifeform: get yer keys from a) the horse's mouth b) someone you've personally met who met (a)

19:08:45 kakobrekla: also live on another planet

19:09:29 asciilifeform: we are nearing the point where hashless pubkey distribution is practical

19:09:35 asciilifeform: (enough of us have met in the meat)

19:09:50 asciilifeform: good practice for when it is time for the one time pads, too.

19:16:12 mod6: All: If you are going to build the rotor-TEST2.sh on debian be advised that you may need the following installed: build-essential curl unzip python bc rsync

19:17:11 ben_vulpes: how did rsync get in there?

19:17:26 mod6: buildroot uses it to pull stuff it needs.

19:17:50 mod6: (14:54) <+asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net

19:18:01 mod6: <+asciilifeform> ditto curl

19:18:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00062274 = 4.0167 BTC [-]

19:18:29 ben_vulpes: myeah.

19:18:45 *: ben_vulpes is having trouble keeping all of the moving parts for this thing in head at once.

19:19:23 mod6: yea, i think this all is about to get easier.

19:19:29 mod6: it's been a battle

19:40:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00062813 = 19.2522 BTC [+] {2}

19:48:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40550 @ 0.00061798 = 25.0591 BTC [-] {4}

19:56:46 shinohai: Suddenly, Ethereum is not ready yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3gd2sp/ethereum_is_on_sale_yall/ctx4xt3

19:56:48 assbot: CryptoJunky comments on Ethereum is on sale y’all ... ( http://bit.ly/1f28FNy )

20:06:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32915 @ 0.00062881 = 20.6973 BTC [+] {4}

20:13:49 funkenstein_: get to the rotor!

20:15:16 funkenstein_: if anyone still working the nursery, here's me failing to build buildroot on debian8: http://dpaste.com/0FXN1D4

20:15:18 assbot: dpaste: 0FXN1D4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2auKA )

20:16:36 mod6: oh

20:16:40 *: mod6 looks

20:18:13 mod6: funkenstein_: ok this is a new one for me. what are the detalis: debian 8, x86-64... ok. is this with the rotor/stator hand build from ascii's guide with tea? or my thing I just posted a bit a go rotor-TEST2.sh?

20:21:53 jurov: mircea_popescu: pls to mpex

20:21:57 shinohai: Try the new test script. So easy a redditard *might* could build it.

20:23:06 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is the untarred buildroot intended to live in toolchain or in the root of the rotor directory?

20:23:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61922 @ 0.00060564 = 37.5024 BTC [-] {4}

20:23:45 mats: http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/23/investing/shazam-tech-startups-lose-money TIL

20:23:46 assbot: 16 firms worth billions even though they lose millions - Jan. 23, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj1Wxx )

20:23:52 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my root dir contains: buildroot-2015.05 stator toolchain

20:24:28 asciilifeform: mats: 'worth billions' in the usg empire has nothing to do with money, but with 'noble, aryan' blood

20:24:39 asciilifeform: the money is seen as an entitlement

20:24:54 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform and what ends up in toolchain?

20:25:16 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 1) binaries 2) headers which magick into existence when buildroot is built

20:25:24 asciilifeform: (it is initially empty)

20:25:41 ben_vulpes: well this explains a few thigs

20:25:44 asciilifeform: this covers gcc and libc (musl in the provided config)

20:26:20 asciilifeform: rotor.sh, if you notice, sets up environment such that ~they~ and not your local system's are used for the builds

20:26:29 ben_vulpes: i *did* notice that bit

20:26:37 ben_vulpes: put buildroot in the wrong place.

20:26:47 ben_vulpes: will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?

20:26:51 asciilifeform: oh and don't every try to move'em

20:26:53 asciilifeform: won't work

20:27:08 asciilifeform: (complain to gcc folks, not me. absolute path crud in just about everything...)

20:27:16 ben_vulpes: <ben_vulpes> will now have to throw everything out and recompile buildroot, no?<< so then yes

20:27:19 asciilifeform: aha

20:27:59 ben_vulpes: lovely, thanks world

20:29:02 mod6: asciilifeform: any idea on funkenstein_'s error? maybe no build-essentials?

20:31:02 asciilifeform: mod6: hard to say, but his environment is loudly and profanely defective

20:31:10 asciilifeform: where the fuck do you people get these things ?!

20:31:28 asciilifeform: what happened to reasonable linux ?

20:31:48 trinque: years of compromise.

20:32:05 mod6: shinohai: you built successfully with rotor-TEST2.sh on deb 8 right?

20:32:13 asciilifeform: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gcc.help/47447 << apparently nobody knows

20:32:14 assbot: GCC 4.8 Build Error 2 gcc/nm: exec: line -89: -pg not found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj2Gmm )

20:32:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00062885 = 7.3261 BTC [+]

20:32:22 asciilifeform: try turning the gcc knob to some much earlier ver.

20:32:27 shinohai: Yup, Deb 7, 8 and Ubuntu precise

20:32:29 asciilifeform: prolly ought to have done this myself to begin with

20:32:35 mod6: great work shinohai

20:32:41 shinohai: Ubuntu was on the shittiest box I could find.

20:32:51 shinohai: ^_______________^

20:33:14 mod6: i built on ubuntu 10.04, as well as deb6 and gentoo/hardened/nomultilib/libc

20:33:16 trinque: asciilifeform: btw, here is the gentoo bootstrap script so far http://dpaste.com/27W35K9

20:33:19 assbot: dpaste: 27W35K9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mj2JyH )

20:33:28 trinque: currently farts out a root.img which can be run in qemu

20:33:31 mod6: i guess i could try now on 14.04 LTS

20:33:37 trinque: working on it hitting a block device now

20:33:40 asciilifeform: neato

20:33:41 *: mod6 looks

20:33:56 asciilifeform: give it to mircea_popescu, i think he was having problems coming up with a gentoo

20:34:04 trinque: asciilifeform: shall when it does a blockdev

20:34:30 mod6: trinque: cool!

20:34:33 asciilifeform: would be neat if it could be done with a musl runtime

20:34:38 asciilifeform: (instead of drepperola)

20:34:42 trinque: asciilifeform: I intend such knobs, for sure

20:34:49 trinque: would I think mostly be a change of the STAGE3 line

20:34:58 asciilifeform: has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ?

20:35:20 asciilifeform: seems as if they are even abolishing 'busybox' in favour of something 'fits-in-head'-flavoured

20:35:35 mod6: awe shoot, realized i gotta wait until later tonight for ubuntu 14.04 test. my bad.

20:35:44 asciilifeform: would be interesting to learn whether this actually lives peacefully with any existing proggy

20:36:04 mod6: busybox? any specific version?

20:36:17 asciilifeform: mod6: iirc they are dispensing with it entirely

20:36:23 asciilifeform: in favour of something else that they wrote

20:36:49 mod6: oh. ok. you want to us to try it on the new thing they're working on, or exisitng, or both and compare?

20:37:05 asciilifeform: eh, was just curious if anyone ~has~

20:37:37 punkman: http://git.suckless.org/sbase/tree/README their busybox replacement

20:37:38 assbot: sbase - suckless unix tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2cQJs )

20:37:38 asciilifeform: imho ought to go in some kind of logical order - iirc most folks don't even have rotor working yet.

20:37:56 punkman: I like that there's a column named "Finished"

20:38:20 mod6: asciilifeform: im with you there.

20:38:47 asciilifeform: depressing that they're doing utf

20:38:58 punkman: why?

20:39:00 asciilifeform: 'tis a 'hole through which the night leaks in'

20:39:13 asciilifeform: and bloats everything

20:39:30 asciilifeform: what ~i~ would like is a modern unix that FITS IN A FUCKING BOOK like the sysv5 in 'the lions book'

20:40:02 asciilifeform: as it is, unix is dead, and we will come to regret keeping it on life support this way.

20:40:05 punkman: if you notice, only a few of the things need explicit UTF8 support there

20:40:55 asciilifeform: one notable attempt at 'fits in book but usable' was minix. a failed attempt.

20:41:02 asciilifeform: compare minix2 to minix3

20:41:18 asciilifeform: the latter runs on actual hardware which you may be able to find - but NO LONGER FITS IN BOOK

20:41:29 asciilifeform: it turned into a pathetically shabby imitation linux

20:41:56 asciilifeform: and before mircea_popescu chimes in and says 'find old hardware', let's see him booting from a floppy

20:42:16 asciilifeform: and running blockchain on an elephantine heap of floppies swapped in and out by hand.

20:42:21 asciilifeform: at ~10kB/s.

20:42:23 shinohai: LOL

20:42:42 *: shinohai inserts disk 4,560

20:42:56 asciilifeform: if you want to play 'rogue', you can use whatever iron you found in old university dumpster, yes

20:43:06 asciilifeform: but if you want to use bitcoin - suddenly there are all kinds of hard constraints

20:43:17 shinohai: Or, I could fire up the trs-80 and attempt to fit it all on cassette tape/

20:43:27 asciilifeform: gotta support modern disks, and modern bus, and ram, and... and.

20:44:28 asciilifeform: and yes, one can turn bitcoind into a kernel of sorts. (you cannot use a linux kernel as a base for this. to understand why, read src for kmalloc, etc.)

20:44:39 asciilifeform: but this does not magick away the problem of ~on what to develop~.

20:45:30 asciilifeform: have fun verifying blocks in <10M on that trs.

20:46:08 asciilifeform: (will a typical tx, much less block, even fit in the 64k address space ?)

20:46:49 asciilifeform: and sure, go and scoop ocean out with a thimble. but doing it ~quickly~ is another matter.

20:46:59 *: asciilifeform bbl

20:47:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00060479 = 18.6578 BTC [-] {5}

20:50:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30959 @ 0.00060366 = 18.6887 BTC [-]

20:51:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.000612 = 6.6402 BTC [+]

20:52:48 ben_vulpes: !up scthoopbot

20:53:05 ben_vulpes: !up scthoopbot

20:53:08 ben_vulpes: ahaha

20:53:20 ben_vulpes: !up scthoopbot

20:53:27 ben_vulpes: righteous

20:53:30 ben_vulpes: syn

20:54:27 ben_vulpes: joker.

20:55:43 williamdunne: Scthoopbot isn't very inspiring at the moment. Just doing it as my hello lisp project

20:55:50 williamdunne: Oh shit

20:55:56 williamdunne: He replies to every message with dick

20:55:56 williamdunne: oops

20:56:10 trinque: lol

20:56:13 jurov: scthoopbot ?

20:56:18 jurov: kek

20:56:45 williamdunne: Umm, it was my best interpretation of someone with a severe lisp saying "scoopbot"

20:57:01 williamdunne: Although evidently he doesn't quite understand the concept of a private message yet

20:57:02 fluffypony: wouldn't it just be thcoopbot?

20:57:03 fluffypony: :-P

20:57:11 williamdunne: I think you might be right

20:57:17 williamdunne: Yes, you are

20:58:12 williamdunne: I'm already fed up of brackets

20:58:56 trinque: tune your editor better

20:59:00 trinque: you shouldn't even notice them

20:59:18 trinque: emacs is the only sane choice, and there are a number of modes for that

21:00:24 williamdunne: Yeah, I'll get that done. It's a really strange language coming from some of the more "modern" ones

21:02:00 trinque: only because the others hide a detail lisp displays honestly, the AST

21:02:07 trinque: anyhow, cool that you're diving into that

21:03:14 williamdunne: Yeah, seems pretty good so far. Only bummer is that all of the libraries I can take advantage of elsewhere don't really exist, and if they do they are entirely undocumented

21:03:45 williamdunne: Although its forcing me to read source, which at least is good for learning

21:03:53 trinque: for CL itself, hyperspec.el

21:04:03 trinque: as for the rest, depends on the library

21:04:45 williamdunne: I found this and got excited, until I realized that they haven't written all that much..

21:04:45 williamdunne: http://learnlispthehardway.org/

21:04:46 assbot: L(λ)THW ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2fmiM )

21:05:06 punkman: williamdunne: http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/common-lisp/

21:05:08 assbot: Learn Common Lisp in Y Minutes ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2fleO )

21:05:23 williamdunne: Yeah, that's what I've been learning from :)

21:15:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.000612 = 1.6218 BTC [+]

21:18:20 williamdunne: trinque: punkman: know how I can dump a representation of an object to a string?

21:18:48 williamdunne: found print-object but looks for a stream

21:19:32 jurov: simple, just screenshot+ocr

21:20:31 trinque: williamdunne: if you're in a slime repl, you can simply make mention of the symbol and right click the thing, and inspect

21:20:37 trinque: I'ms ure there's some pretty printer too; I haven't used it

21:21:35 williamdunne: Thanks, I'll have a dig

21:21:37 trinque: williamdunne: actually you probably just want to past stdout to print-object as the stream

21:21:48 punkman: isn't it just 'object?

21:22:42 trinque: looks like (pprint 'yourthing) maybe

21:22:44 trinque: something around there

21:22:58 trinque: http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_wr_pr.htm

21:23:00 assbot: CLHS: Function WRITE, PRIN1, PRINT, PPRINT... ... ( http://bit.ly/1f2h8Ao )

21:30:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00062691 = 8.1185 BTC [+] {3}

21:51:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10918 @ 0.00062138 = 6.7842 BTC [-] {4}

21:53:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00062884 = 15.5952 BTC [+] {3}

22:10:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00060213 = 19.9004 BTC [-] {6}

22:16:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29883 @ 0.00062884 = 18.7916 BTC [+] {4}

22:19:00 ben_vulpes: williamdunne: what's your cl development flow like?

22:21:03 ben_vulpes: i had a dream that i figured out how to never recompile openssl again

22:22:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30755 @ 0.00062884 = 19.34 BTC [+] {3}

22:25:24 mats: I had a dream I got three scoops of guac at chipotle

22:25:31 williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Horrendous, currently just doing (load "some/path/file.lisp")

22:25:41 williamdunne: Which I edit in sublime

22:25:43 ben_vulpes: williamdunne: hate to ask, but...

22:25:46 ben_vulpes: aok.

22:25:52 ben_vulpes: stoppit, wouldja?

22:25:53 ben_vulpes: :P

22:26:09 ben_vulpes: the incremental recompilation shit is mind-blowing

22:26:25 williamdunne: Yeah, I'm gonna get emacs set up

22:26:34 williamdunne: Not used to using it, so another thing to learn

22:26:44 ben_vulpes: okay, well pm if you need help

22:26:55 ben_vulpes: always happy to indoctrinate another

22:27:02 williamdunne: Cheers ben :) yeah does look a little batshit to setup in buntu

22:27:11 ben_vulpes: ah it ain't so bad

22:27:23 phf: williamdunne: no!

22:27:26 phf: one sec

22:29:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00060434 = 11.7242 BTC [-]

22:29:48 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/1A5RWC9 << how buildroot exits

22:29:51 assbot: dpaste: 1A5RWC9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01mEz )

22:31:04 ben_vulpes: no idea if that's right or not

22:31:18 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: does it ~work~ ?

22:31:31 ben_vulpes: i'll see.

22:31:39 ben_vulpes: stepping carefully through next steps.

22:33:31 shinohai: http://redd.it/3gdb6u <<< good luck w/that

22:33:32 assbot: In C++ my variables are signed but I have no place to put my signature. What did I do wrong? : shittyprogramming ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01OCP )

22:34:06 phf: williamdunne: rob warnock has a series of posts on how to use lisp effectively even if you don't have emacs running, i often find it a reasonable path for lisp novices, particularly when you don't want the complexity of emacs to get in the way of early explorations. http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/BJqdnd9R65ee3qDbnZ2dnUVZ_vGinZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PJudnYz2hfC-HQbYnZ2dnUVZ_ternZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html, http://

22:34:07 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01TWZ )

22:34:08 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01SCG )

22:34:08 phf: xach.com/rpw3/articles/TJadnRSn8I_o8qHZ4p2dnA%40speakeasy.net.html and http://xach.com/rpw3/articles/PqOdndt5Kr6E9BnUnZ2dnUVZ_juWnZ2d%40speakeasy.net.html (there's probably more, but it's worthwhile to read through those)

22:34:09 assbot: Re: Emacs vs VI, the final solution — Rob Warnock Lisp usenet archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1L01ST0 )

22:34:31 asciilifeform: phf: xach is a serious lulzmine

22:34:38 asciilifeform: sadly, he (iirc) starved.

22:35:11 phf: asciilifeform: well, he provides a valuable service of hosting both naggum and rob warnock archives

22:35:21 mircea_popescu: ho come he's not here anyway

22:35:24 asciilifeform: or hm no!

22:35:32 williamdunne: Thanks phf

22:35:33 asciilifeform: i'm entirely misremembering

22:35:40 asciilifeform: it was xiah lee who starved

22:35:49 asciilifeform: xach - no one seems to know anything about.

22:36:20 asciilifeform: (xiah lee, don't expect to see anywhere. he literally ran out of money and went to wash dishes for minimum wage, and sold his computer iirc)

22:36:47 phf: i love xah, but he fell out of contact by becoming increasing more chaotic

22:37:46 phf: (xah lee)

22:40:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2640 @ 0.00062885 = 1.6602 BTC [+]

22:40:53 mircea_popescu: this mpex over 60 thing is beheheautiful.

22:43:03 ben_vulpes: behyutiful

22:43:44 *: ben_vulpes compiles openssl for the third time today

22:43:53 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> btw rsync should be abolished when we mod the thing to stop pulling from the net << very much this wtf.

22:44:02 asciilifeform: i did warn!

22:44:09 asciilifeform: back when i released pogotron

22:44:12 asciilifeform: (which rotor is based on)

22:44:32 phf: i've met xach a few times at post-ilc pub sessions, i think he's doing lisp consulting for clozure, but yeah i don't really know the details. i think him, fare, etc. would dismiss this place on superficial grounds being self proclaimed feminists. last i checked fare's twitter it was an equal mix of lisp conversations and sjw rhetoric

22:44:57 asciilifeform: last i saw, fare was more of a 'libertarian'-flavoured crackpot ?

22:45:06 asciilifeform: odd

22:45:06 mircea_popescu: !up nama

22:45:09 mircea_popescu: !h

22:45:09 assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

22:45:23 mircea_popescu: nama see above link, where it says "first steps in #b-a"

22:45:40 mircea_popescu: it's explained how to register with assbot. after that i'll rate you and you can ahve an eulora account.

22:46:45 mircea_popescu: phf we're feminists aren't we ?!

22:47:21 phf: i think by last polls we were "pervs"

22:47:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00062885 = 33.7692 BTC [+] {3}

22:47:57 mircea_popescu: orthogonal concern isn't it ?

22:47:57 ben_vulpes: fair unsurprising, one has to toe that line to keep a twitter account

22:48:21 mircea_popescu: it's gotten that bad ?

22:48:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm penning a "racists and the racist idea" piece, should help.

22:49:37 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs."

22:49:45 asciilifeform: ??!

22:49:50 mircea_popescu: ahaha wut!

22:49:51 asciilifeform: burn your computer.

22:50:28 ben_vulpes: yes, that is what you told trinque as well.

22:51:36 trinque: ben_vulpes: is that db saying that?

22:51:52 ben_vulpes: adding the --host flag now.

22:52:31 ben_vulpes: setting -e as well

22:54:07 trinque: in related news, my script works for both disk images and block devices; however, I need to figure out why the usb device isn't present at the time the initrd goes looking for root

22:54:25 trinque: so after that, infectious gentoo

22:54:46 mircea_popescu: find lsub, help out n6

22:55:42 ben_vulpes: lol why oh why does this script carry on merrily even after i set -e

22:56:05 trinque: depends how you're running it

22:56:08 trinque: source ?

22:56:15 ben_vulpes: ah well it'd help to edit the right script

22:56:19 trinque: that too lol

22:56:28 *: ben_vulpes now has 3? 4? copies of rotor.sh open

22:56:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10849 @ 0.00060429 = 6.5559 BTC [-] {2}

22:57:02 ben_vulpes: `rotor/stattor/rotor.sh`

22:57:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45051 @ 0.00058823 = 26.5003 BTC [-] {3}

22:57:53 ben_vulpes: trinque: set -xeu should do the trick, no?

22:58:37 mircea_popescu: btw, the... let's call them "non stem" persons keeping their eye on this here thing because they're so interested in my magical dragon being and associatedpowers regularly observe that you people have horrid naming schemes and nymismatics generally.

22:59:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let'em come here and name then.

22:59:24 asciilifeform: 'to criticize is to volunteer'

22:59:26 asciilifeform: (tm) (r)

23:00:11 asciilifeform: let'em also go and de-swearword the soviet phaktory.

23:01:41 mircea_popescu: i said this.

23:01:55 trinque: ben_vulpes: I dunno what x and u do

23:02:15 ben_vulpes: x prints all output, u signals errors on reference to unbound variables

23:02:38 trinque: ah

23:03:12 phf: williamdunne: not builtin, but here's a generic object printer, http://paste.lisp.org/display/153363. if you have an instance of a class, you'll get #<FOO (A . 1) (B . "test") C #x123123> (where C is unbound)

23:03:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kcw1sJ )

23:03:44 phf: only works for ccl and sbcl, so if you're using something different i'll need to extend it

23:03:53 asciilifeform: phf: this can be made to work for anything that has printability method defined, aha

23:04:51 trinque: ben_vulpes: bash --be-sane

23:05:09 ben_vulpes: that's all i've ever wanted out of these scripts.

23:05:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall your observation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229166 ? i often have problems naming something that i strongly feel doesn't deserve a name

23:05:16 assbot: Logged on 07-08-2015 14:35:50; mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he respects the scholar and despises the whore^H^H^H^H i mean programmer

23:05:46 asciilifeform: just like a turd isn't normally given a name before flushing

23:05:47 ben_vulpes: the "minimal changes possible thing" keeps us hunting around local maxima

23:06:09 ben_vulpes: big institutional resistance to plucking the team up and depositing them elsewhere on the manifold.

23:06:39 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes explain ye ?

23:06:54 ben_vulpes: "go uphill", right?

23:07:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform naming is fundamentally dirty.

23:07:12 mircea_popescu: nothing deserves a name at that time it gets a name.

23:07:32 asciilifeform: this is why kings, popes, have the right pattern

23:07:42 asciilifeform: get a temp name and assigned a proper one ~when deserved~

23:07:49 asciilifeform: or the japanese version of this, full-bore

23:07:53 asciilifeform: posthumous names

23:08:09 asciilifeform: (e.g., 'emperor showa' not hirohito)

23:08:28 ben_vulpes: when one reaches the top of the hill, naive optimization algo will simply not take you through the valley to the next hill

23:08:38 ben_vulpes: "minimal changes possible" is this naive optimization.

23:08:42 asciilifeform: or hell, ru prison nicknamez

23:09:22 mircea_popescu: what's showa mean, incidentally ?

23:09:32 ben_vulpes: and so i end up commenting out sections of scripts. adding -xeu myself. and so forth.

23:09:33 mircea_popescu: "unavoidable failure" or "the hole the night" ?

23:09:41 asciilifeform: ask jp

23:09:51 mircea_popescu: i r ask!

23:10:09 asciilifeform: wouldn't surprise me if it means something like 'deep sea fish'

23:10:24 asciilifeform: esp. given as that was his true calling (ichthyology)

23:10:28 asciilifeform: had papers published, even.

23:10:49 mircea_popescu: "dumbass" also works.

23:11:17 mircea_popescu: (this is why the jp don't have the irght idea - the respect of they loath to insult is not worth the shit it's printed on)

23:11:38 asciilifeform: the whole experiment in bringing back emperors was a flop

23:11:51 mircea_popescu: so it was.

23:11:53 asciilifeform: a kind of legitimacy-washing of unrelated structures

23:12:37 asciilifeform: sorta like if somebody took moldbug's suggestion of digging up and reinstating the stewart monarchy somehow

23:12:53 mircea_popescu: rank nonsense. you can't "be made" a king.

23:12:56 asciilifeform: aha

23:13:10 mircea_popescu: the only legitimate way to become a king is at the hands of a priest whose knees are trembling.

23:13:20 mircea_popescu: hitler's readily the last legitimate case.

23:13:35 asciilifeform: aha

23:13:37 mircea_popescu: (unlike napoleon, stalin never wanted it)

23:25:29 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> has anyone tried the 'suckless' linux ? << stali the "more official" distribution seems to still be in the planning phase

23:26:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00062906 = 9.1214 BTC [+] {5}

23:27:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00062974 = 12.7837 BTC [+] {3}

23:28:14 ben_vulpes: ah that's right, boost needs exceptions from the -e flag

23:31:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00062563 = 11.3865 BTC [-]

23:34:47 mats: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8713

23:34:49 assbot: Live-Capture Forensics of Corruptor-Injector Network injecting fake Chrome install via https@google - cryptostorm's community forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwz5lo )

23:36:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00062563 = 7.8204 BTC [-]

23:38:32 williamdunne: phf: Thanks, although I'm still trying to wrap my head around streams

23:39:07 ben_vulpes: williamdunne: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node182.html#SECTION002500000000000000000

23:39:08 assbot: 21. Streams ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwzIv5 )

23:39:12 phf: williamdunne: if you paste it in your repl, objects that you create with make-instance will magically display their attributes

23:39:47 phf: i.e. you don't need to know about streams to use that function

23:40:13 ben_vulpes: after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind

23:40:21 phf: ben_vulpes: os x?

23:40:29 ben_vulpes: some heinous aws gentoo

23:41:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00058541 = 20.665 BTC [-] {3}

23:42:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16621 @ 0.00061586 = 10.2362 BTC [+]

23:44:36 shinohai: gg ben_vulpes

23:47:34 mod6: <+ben_vulpes> after much derping, i have a rotor-built stator bitcoind << heeey! neat. :]

23:48:04 mod6: im building on ubuntu 14.04 atm