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00:03:47 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << still b0rk3d ?

00:03:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1v8bGwz )

00:29:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27947 @ 0.0005414 = 15.1305 BTC [+] {3}

00:43:05 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: nope its a feature not a bug

00:43:19 ben_vulpes: like emacs default keybindings

00:43:32 asciilifeform: wat

00:43:40 ben_vulpes: identifies the observant

00:43:42 ben_vulpes: it's a feature!

00:47:10 undata: gentoo/emacs/bitcoind quest

00:47:29 ben_vulpes: bitcoind quest

00:47:30 ben_vulpes: indeed

00:47:58 asciilifeform: what do gentoo and emacs to do with it ?

00:47:59 asciilifeform: i mean, they both live here with me

00:48:01 asciilifeform: but what else.

00:48:12 ben_vulpes: exercise for etc etc etc

00:48:35 asciilifeform: perfectly-functioning household objects, not deserving of insult of comparison with bitcoind

00:48:44 asciilifeform: wholesome, inoffensive things.

00:48:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00051918 = 7.7617 BTC [-]

00:50:03 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/ethan-burnside-fined-by-sec/

00:50:03 assbot: Ethan Burnside Fined By SEC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/160VdFO )

00:50:37 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/ethan-burnside-fined-by-sec/

00:52:07 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL Congrats on keeping scoopbot up so long

00:52:34 PeterL: oh, thanks

00:52:44 PeterL: I finally figured out what was wrong

00:53:10 PeterL: It was taking time to check blogs for updates, and so would not respond to pings

00:53:34 PeterL: I put the blog checking onto a separate thread, and now it does not get kicked off from missed pings

01:26:36 mircea_popescu: o hey.

01:26:36 ben_vulpes: http://entire.spacebar.org/

01:26:37 assbot: Entire Screen of One Game ... ( http://bit.ly/1vy2XE5 )

01:26:37 mircea_popescu: !up PeterL

01:27:04 PeterL: o hi

01:27:37 mircea_popescu: heh so the sec is settling with all the actual scammers eh.

01:31:07 PeterL: what about football scammers? oh wait, the other SEC (I must ahve been reading too much bowl game previews)

01:33:24 mircea_popescu: heh

01:34:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00054753 = 15.3856 BTC [+] {2}

01:35:53 BingoBoingo: PeterL: Mizzou got a New Years day game. Happy with the lack of scam there from the SEC.

01:36:16 PeterL: Mich State got a better bowl

01:36:33 BingoBoingo: For some definitions of better. Good for them.

01:36:53 PeterL: Mizzou should win

01:37:48 BingoBoingo: They better. We need to start recruiting 300 pounders for our lines so maybe next time we can actually make plays against Alabama by means other than accident.

01:37:48 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

01:37:48 PeterL: Michigan State will win if they fix the holes exposed by Oregon and Ohio State (Baylor plays a similar spread offence to those teams)

01:37:53 jborkl: Hola

01:37:58 BingoBoingo: hey jborkl

01:38:17 jborkl: Hows it going

01:38:23 BingoBoingo: Not bad

01:38:48 BingoBoingo: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Dec/28

01:38:49 assbot: Full Disclosure: Coinbase User Enumeration ... ( http://bit.ly/1qnycG3 )

01:40:15 jborkl: Sweet, great job coinbase security

01:40:17 BingoBoingo: So ran out to Grandpa's to replace the batteries in his TV remote. On the way to the store from his place say a big ass shooting star with a definite green tint.

01:40:39 jborkl: Very cool

01:41:15 BingoBoingo: Wonder if the lizards had something to do with it.

01:41:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29197 @ 0.00055103 = 16.0884 BTC [+] {2}

01:45:33 ben_vulpes: noice

01:47:05 BingoBoingo: Either that it was the avians comping to displace the lizards

01:49:46 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha

01:49:59 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntraaaa

01:51:01 mircea_popescu: meh on 2nd hand this isn't even worth the mention, and also ancient.

01:51:04 mircea_popescu: nm

01:52:51 BingoBoingo: right

01:53:15 mircea_popescu: for a momet iu got excited :p

01:54:19 BingoBoingo: It's old news that popped up in my twatter feed again, prolly as part of some cold PR war between the web wallet turds

01:59:08 BingoBoingo: !up iang

01:59:08 BingoBoingo: Hello iang

01:59:30 iang: hi.

01:59:37 mircea_popescu: ello

01:59:54 BingoBoingo: So in early bookmaking it looks like they are only giving a 2.5 point spread in the Bitcoin Bowl. That isn't even a field goal

02:01:38 BingoBoingo: iang: Are you the person danielpbarron pointed here?

02:01:57 iang: hmm maybe. Not sure who danielpbarron is tho

02:02:11 iang: although he’s not sure who I am either ;-)

02:02:51 BingoBoingo: Ah, apparently someone whose nick is a similar string of letters to yours encountered him on the twatter earleir today

02:03:12 mircea_popescu: ;;ident iang

02:03:12 gribble: Nick 'iang', with hostmask 'iang!~iang@skaro.afraid.org', is not identified.

02:03:12 mircea_popescu: ;;ident danielpbarron

02:03:12 gribble: Nick 'danielpbarron', with hostmask 'danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net', is not identified.

02:03:15 mircea_popescu: i guess nobody's anybody :D

02:03:31 BingoBoingo: But... gribble's back

02:04:37 iang: yup, not sure I can help, there are a few of us :D

02:06:24 mircea_popescu: iang so about this two decade cryptohistory of yours ?

02:07:17 iang: mmm… got a decade?

02:07:17 iang: I could explain ;-)

02:07:55 mircea_popescu: proof beats explanation.

02:08:06 mircea_popescu: got a pgp key made in 96 you can link and sign with ?

02:08:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34153 @ 0.00055572 = 18.9795 BTC [+] {2}

02:08:26 iang: hmmm. possibly but I’d have to go digging into detritus

02:09:59 mircea_popescu: probably the most important thing you can say right off.

02:10:00 BingoBoingo: I couldn't imagine anything more fun

02:14:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46200 @ 0.0005079 = 23.465 BTC [-]

02:16:25 BingoBoingo: People suck at naming themselves http://fusion.net/story/32623/sony-pictures-hack-exposes-hollywood-celebrities-secret-aliases/

02:16:27 assbot: Sony Pictures hack exposes Hollywood celebrities' secret aliases -- Fusion ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8iZfK )

02:19:34 iang: hmmm.. well I’m theoretically limited to 2000 and even that is hard coz gpg doesn’t play nice

02:19:55 hanbot: why 2000?

02:20:09 iang: the earliest key I have a password for, it seems

02:20:39 iang: or, the earliest that the current keyring admits to.

02:20:41 hanbot: oh that. still, 2000 much better than nothing.

02:21:00 BingoBoingo: Not everybody rocks at data retention.

02:21:18 iang: some things should stay buried under rocks

02:21:30 hanbot: not one's past.

02:23:44 iang: In 2000 I was building precious metal exchanges. And staying out of trouble. Which almost snapped shut on me, the whole e-gold story :(

02:24:20 iang: Luckily I’d sent an email to the founders that said “you’re gonna get busted if you don’t fix it” and that told the feds I wasn’t their drone

02:24:55 iang: back in the days when we had only single servers and only single operators and only tunnel vision

02:25:34 BingoBoingo: Ah, I had recently discovered hypercard around that time

02:25:42 iang: rings a bell! remind me?

02:26:42 undata: non-web hyperlink programming environment for the mac

02:26:47 BingoBoingo: iang: It's the programming environment that shipped on the last of the real Macs. I had picked some up at an auction my school had and was playing with them as my first computers

02:26:48 undata: "hypermedia" I guess

02:27:09 iang: right… I recall the Mac people were emotional about it

02:27:44 BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 << asciilifeform's elegy for the beast

02:27:46 assbot: Loper OS » Why Hypercard Had to Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8knz8 )

02:28:52 BingoBoingo: At the time I had yet to have a computer at home so I bought a bunch of computers and spares for about $10 a pop

02:29:38 BingoBoingo: !up iang

02:29:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i must confess that i sometimes regret crapping out that piece. i still get mail from folks who think that i liked 'hypertalk' language.

02:30:10 hanbot: oh you didn't?

02:30:39 BingoBoingo: The language itself sucked

02:30:39 asciilifeform: ding ding ding prize

02:30:42 undata: truly wretched syntax

02:30:52 undata: trying to be like natural language

02:31:17 asciilifeform: it was quite educational in that respect (in the sense of demonstrating, to anyone with half a brain, the inescapable folly of 'natural language' programming)

02:31:40 BingoBoingo: the environment, and the potential of the environment...

02:32:04 BingoBoingo: https://github.com/blockchain/My-Wallet/commit/98d5a7ca59ef04d06ac6aee468634b12975a0f5c

02:32:05 assbot: Improvments to RNG · 98d5a7c · blockchain/My-Wallet · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8kZ82 )

02:32:13 asciilifeform: actually i did not (as an adult, at least) see any actual 'potential' in it - in the sense of 'what could have grown from it'

02:32:30 asciilifeform: more as a demonstration of how a programming system ought to behave in the general sense

02:35:44 BingoBoingo: But as a demonstration.

02:37:20 BingoBoingo: The only environment I've ever been similarly confident with was the old "Hot Dog HTML" that was included on the web design for dummies book cd at the local library

02:37:59 mircea_popescu: iang well alternatively there's always the half year's lurking an' reading logs.

02:38:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, until such a time as natural language works for coding, there won't be the "evil ai" whatever guy's worried about.

02:39:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow)

02:39:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23906 @ 0.0005079 = 12.1419 BTC [-]

02:40:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didn't happen. not that i don't own enough junk, incl. apples of every period, to fill a small scrapyard - but i wanted living 'butterfly' not zoological specimen preserved in glass

02:40:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the company 'apple' died, in '99, replaced silently with 'next'. but you knew this.

02:41:26 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Summer before college I though I'd buy a new Apple on their financing, had not realized company had died. Mercifully was declined and got a used Dell Latitude.

02:41:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'natural language' for a program makes the same amount of sense as for mathematics. atrociously inefficient and requires very 'unnatural' concessions of rigour or at least standardized disambiguations.

02:42:57 mircea_popescu: yes but you're aware i was discussing danger.

02:43:10 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is probably thinking of a hypothetical machine that emulates a living programmer and can be 'made friends with' and spoken to, describing what he wants. in that case - yes

02:43:10 mircea_popescu: a purely mathematical language won't ever matter politically.

02:43:24 BingoBoingo: Didn't realize apple died till junior year of college when I got an iPod to replace a Rio MP3 player and was introduced to iTunes

02:43:39 asciilifeform: what means 'matter politically' ?

02:43:52 asciilifeform: used by men fighting one another?

02:43:54 asciilifeform: in that case even 'visual basic' qualifies!

02:45:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is interesting to see how apple corp. (the renamed 'next', not the original) put to use its total monopoly in portable computerized gadgets not immediately discardable as junk to push perverse anachronisms that would have been laughed off if from another (weird proprietary cabling, required closed-source 'sync' apps, etc.)

02:45:59 mircea_popescu: http://cdn.collarspace.com/photos/2036091.jpg << said ai.

02:45:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8mMcY )

02:46:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, to be its own thing, posing a threat.

02:46:26 mircea_popescu: who was that guy all worried about hostile ai ?

02:46:56 undata: elon musk and stephen hawking have been saying things

02:46:56 asciilifeform: yudkowsky et al ?

02:46:56 mircea_popescu: right.

02:47:02 undata: yudkowsky worships at its altar

02:47:02 asciilifeform: undata: mr y is the master octopus

02:47:03 mircea_popescu: they're thinking of a politically relevant ai.

02:47:17 mircea_popescu: that's different from a mathematically bound ai, no matter how clever

02:47:21 asciilifeform: the others - simply read nth-generation spew from him

02:47:25 mircea_popescu: perhaps this latter also different from a purely numeric ai

02:47:58 undata: I'm personally much more near-term concerned with ever-cheaper guns/bombs with propellers

02:48:15 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apple, the heritage company was never entirely innocent on the cabling front (Apple desktop bus, etc) The portable gadgets yes did demand a still more grotesque submission. Thankfully pawn shops love Apple shit.

02:48:38 undata: things which take lat/lng and desired size of crater as input

02:49:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mr y & friends believe in an ai equivalent of fermi's 'ignition of the atmosphere' hypothetical catastrophe.

02:50:27 mircea_popescu: undata there's excellent reasons not to worry about that.

02:50:33 cazalla: BingoBoingo: The only environment I've ever been similarly confident with was the old "Hot Dog HTML" that was included on the web design for dummies book cd at the local library <<< lol sausage software, my uncle never shut up about these guys

02:50:43 asciilifeform: if you give a damn re: what this means, invite one of them in. i can't muster the strength to defend the nonsense, even as 'devil's advocate'

02:50:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, you know said ignition happened once already.

02:51:05 asciilifeform: 'bang' ?

02:51:27 asciilifeform: not really analogous, if it

02:51:45 BingoBoingo: cazalla: Compared to the adobe turds at the highschool it was elegant

02:52:36 cazalla: BingoBoingo, i never used it, i was maybe 15-16 at the time and muh uncle constantly telling me to buy shares in sausage software

02:52:42 BingoBoingo: Also worked on the dumpster 486 packard bell with windows 3.1

02:57:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, not at all.

02:57:05 mircea_popescu: originally earth was under a methane atmosphere

02:57:18 mircea_popescu: then the first optional aerobes were spawned.

02:57:32 asciilifeform: nah fermi's thing was about a fissile chain-reaction.

02:57:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36547 @ 0.00050221 = 18.3543 BTC [-] {4}

02:58:10 asciilifeform: he was, at first, not able to show that it would not span the entire solid earth plus atmosphere.

02:58:27 asciilifeform: this bothered the more neurotic types in 'manhattan project.'

03:00:08 mircea_popescu: yeah.

03:00:32 BingoBoingo: !up iang

03:01:11 iang: hmmm… you have to sit there and do that every 30 mins?

03:01:25 asciilifeform: strictly speaking, he doesn't.

03:02:41 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HQRBHF.txt )

03:02:41 mircea_popescu: !b 2

03:03:32 BingoBoingo: iang: You could produce a GPG keypair and register with the gribble bot

03:04:16 iang: ah, is that something my IRC client needs to be aware of ?

03:04:49 BingoBoingo: iang: Nah, happens all over pm's

03:05:16 BingoBoingo: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html

03:05:18 assbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8pi2Y )

03:07:15 iang: hmmm, you are alleged to befriend trolls

03:08:22 BingoBoingo: Pretty sure everyone on the interent is at some point.

03:08:48 BingoBoingo: Similarly everyone on the internet is themself alleged to be a troll at some point on a long enough timeline

03:09:17 mircea_popescu: on the internet, everyone knows you're a troll.

03:09:22 iang: yah. I remember (one of?) the last person I used to talk regularly with gpg would make keys every month and dispose of the old ones. I only talked to him maybe once a month so it didn’t last...

03:09:56 asciilifeform: disposed of old before - or after - signing key[n] with key[n-1]

03:09:57 asciilifeform: ?

03:10:22 iang: oh, after, kept a merry chain posting into perpetuity

03:10:44 asciilifeform: then why problem ?

03:11:00 BingoBoingo: iang: Current best practice seems to be gen RSA/RSA and just make the it huge

03:11:04 iang: well, every month I’d send him an email and he’d send me back a request to use his new key :)

03:11:39 BingoBoingo: iang: Have you seen http://nosuchlabs.com/ yet?

03:11:44 iang: BingoBoingo: yup. I guess everyone’s got the message that the threat is on the node.

03:12:28 BingoBoingo: iang: yeah. I can see monthly pub key updates being a hassel if your big GPG use case is signatures

03:12:35 iang: ha, no. Is that based on the RNG problems that various platforms had?

03:13:07 BingoBoingo: iang: It's actually one of alf's toys

03:13:21 asciilifeform: not advertised, on account of being (so far) a null result

03:14:22 iang: seems to work better if I give it an RSA key ;-)

03:14:56 asciilifeform: also i have several million keys that wait to be thrown in (presently hosted in 'cloud' crapolade, cannot really handle serious work)

03:15:23 BingoBoingo: Well, I dunno of any better to gen keys with atm than RSA.

03:15:27 asciilifeform: every time someone mentions this, i ask 'btc hosting exists yet?'

03:15:34 asciilifeform: and then silence.

03:16:59 BingoBoingo: Silk Road auction payout? https://blockchain.info/address/1E9QDjSzUMuYdy4vePXxZhmkGeopkm1VfZ

03:17:00 assbot: Bitcoin Address 1E9QDjSzUMuYdy4vePXxZhmkGeopkm1VfZ ... ( http://bit.ly/1G8qKT6 )

03:27:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol.

03:31:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 999 @ 0.001219 = 1.2178 BTC [+]

03:32:19 BingoBoingo: !up iang

03:32:23 BingoBoingo: !up devthedev

03:32:47 iang: ha, thanks. but crashing here, later.

03:33:09 devthedev: I can't join OTC, strange

03:42:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00050485 = 15.8523 BTC [+]

03:43:58 mircea_popescu: !up badon

03:53:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17785 @ 0.0004972 = 8.8427 BTC [-] {2}

03:54:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.0004909 = 3.9763 BTC [-]

03:55:36 asciilifeform: https://download.wpsoftware.net << perverse

03:55:38 assbot: Index of / ... ( http://bit.ly/1w7rxR9 )

04:04:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00048618 = 16.7489 BTC [-] {2}

04:06:15 asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mvqj3/bitcoin_wallet_will_not_sync_past_a_certain_point << lol

04:06:17 assbot: Bitcoin wallet will not sync past a certain point : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z11b30 )

04:09:16 undata: asciilifeform: I am going to have to read your loper-os blog all the way through

04:09:26 asciilifeform: lol why

04:09:31 undata: I recently worked for a guy who wanted to make a relational end user programming environment

04:09:43 undata: sadly it was in JS not lisp

04:09:57 undata: the relational part made a bit of sense

04:10:38 asciilifeform: https://forum.bitcoin.pl/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9987 << lol2

04:10:38 assbot: Polskie Forum Bitcoin - Aktualizacja klienta Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1z11V8f )

04:11:59 undata: the "mind extender" vector - rather than "derp this until any idiot can 'use' it" - is much more interesting

04:12:07 undata: and uh, by god don't make the thing out of the web

04:12:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22817 @ 0.00048753 = 11.124 BTC [+] {2}

04:12:19 asciilifeform: http://freak.no/forum/showthread.php?t=262603 << lol3

04:12:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z128bu )

04:13:08 undata: the guy behind lighttable is now headed towards the same, calling it "eve"

04:13:31 asciilifeform: same what

04:13:38 undata: "end user programming"

04:15:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00050485 = 16.1552 BTC [+]

04:16:23 undata: http://lighttable.com/2014/07/18/imperative-thinking/

04:16:24 assbot: Light Table Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1w7vm8R )

04:18:25 undata: at my old job, we were creating a visual SQL editor as the primary way of fiddling this envisioned programming environment

04:18:51 undata: we produced a few cool things, among them this https://github.com/aquameta/pg_meta

04:18:52 assbot: aquameta/pg_meta · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1z131RC )

04:19:26 undata: I left the company when I lost a conflict over whether we should shift focus from burning the founder's money to making money

04:19:29 undata: I haven't seen them release much else yet

04:20:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00048154 = 11.3162 BTC [-] {3}

04:20:28 undata: that pg_meta embodies the approach; for everything, you make a data model

04:20:49 undata: you change things in the world by changing their model

04:21:01 undata: it was pretty damn elegant; I still try to code that way

04:23:02 asciilifeform: undata: what means 'visual' ? not being pedantic, seriously puzzled

04:23:10 asciilifeform: strange and ubiquitous marketing word.

04:23:19 asciilifeform: vt100 was 'visual' just as much as 'visual basic'

04:23:30 undata: we bound widgets to various chunks of AST

04:23:30 asciilifeform: widgets?

04:23:44 undata: UI components which were meant to say represent a join, or a boolean expression, or what have you

04:24:13 asciilifeform: but what kind of 'ui components'

04:24:17 asciilifeform: what did this look like ?

04:24:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5719 @ 0.00047979 = 2.7439 BTC [-]

04:26:33 cazalla: scoopbot, go fetch

04:27:08 PeterL: hmm, maybe I could add that?

04:27:17 cazalla: PeterL, not a bad idea eh

04:30:12 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitpay-forget-to-renew-bitcore-io-domain-name/

04:32:57 undata: asciilifeform: I don't have any screenshots, but things like two boxes representing tables, each having things you can tap to select columns

04:33:10 undata: drawing a line between two columns of two tables and using a venn diagram in the middle to define the join type

04:33:22 asciilifeform: ugh

04:33:23 undata: and it was 2-way synced with the source code

04:36:43 undata: it wasn't bad as far as jobs go, but in the end we invented a shitty version of emacs in the browser in JS

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04:37:13 asciilifeform: !b 1

04:37:44 mats: https://cryptoservices.github.io/fde/2014/12/08/code-execution-in-spite-of-bitlocker.html

04:37:45 assbot: Code Execution In Spite Of BitLocker ... ( http://bit.ly/1z15sDC )

04:37:45 asciilifeform: 'it wasn't bad as far as jobs go, but eventually the goats got too tight'

04:38:59 *: asciilifeform had 'bitlocker' symlinked with 'cryptolocker' (trojan) in his head, and read this article with a very peculiar feeling

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04:39:11 BingoBoingo: !b 1

04:39:18 joecool: lol

04:40:34 undata: this idea that you can get dumb people to do smart things if only you find a way to put smart behind a single button mouse is a terrible religion

04:41:03 undata: that's probably what Eve is going to end up being as well, though I wouldn't mind being proved wrong

04:41:20 undata: I've seen "derps" do pretty effective things with spreadsheets

04:42:49 asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/2014/12/obama-becomes-first-president-write-computer-program << mein fuhrer 'programs' !

04:42:50 assbot: Obama Becomes First President to Write a Computer Program | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1w7zHJ6 )

04:44:51 mats: nothing like post-pregnancy scare celebration sex

04:44:51 undata: msft is running lots of ads telling everyone to learn to code

04:45:11 undata: we can just have an economy of buying and selling apps with each other

04:46:55 asciilifeform: why not skip straight to buying, selling: farts.

04:47:20 PeterL: now you should be able to say: scoopbot -fetch and he will get the scoop

04:47:35 undata: artisan farts in mason jars

04:47:43 undata: there's probably a boutique for that here

04:48:23 BingoBoingo: Awesome PeterL

04:48:59 PeterL: you can also just pm him "-fetch"

04:49:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The entire MSFT business model since balmer has been having the most farts that smell on their platform

04:56:02 BingoBoingo: !up lolhash

05:12:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29010 @ 0.00047489 = 13.7766 BTC [-]

05:17:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.125 = 1.375 BTC [+]

05:22:14 BingoBoingo: !up lolhash

05:25:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.125 = 2.625 BTC [+]

05:27:07 PeterL: Asicminer seems to be picking up today (up 25%), did they release some good news or something?

05:28:08 BingoBoingo: Maybe it is the post-Burnside bust bump?

05:29:24 BingoBoingo: I don't understand the nerve of people who won't contest shit at all.

05:29:39 mats: it falls

05:29:45 mats: ;;ticker

05:29:46 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 348.29, Best ask: 348.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.70000, Last trade: 348.99, 24 hour volume: 16064.42343601, 24 hour low: 346.15, 24 hour high: 375.51, 24 hour vwap: 364.222355025

05:31:15 mats: i wonder if i can get pink eye giving myself a dutch oven

05:32:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21349 @ 0.00047315 = 10.1013 BTC [-]

05:33:06 PeterL: ;;ud dutch oven

05:33:07 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch+oven | Jonas nearly crapped his Underoos preparing a Dutch Oven for his special lady! by Lution Stackridge Esquire August 14, 2003. 8196 3870. Shop. 3. Dutch Oven.

05:35:13 mats: ;;ud dutch oven 3

05:35:14 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dutch+oven | 3. Dutch Oven. when you are laying in bed with a "significant other" and you fart then hold her head under the blanket. girl: what did you get me for valentines ...

05:45:27 BingoBoingo: Meat programming http://neurosciencenews.com/ketamine-bipolar-disorder-psychiatry-1456/

05:45:29 assbot: Rapid Agent Restores Pleasure Seeking Ahead of Other Antidepressant Action | Neuroscience News Research Articles | Neuroscience Social Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1AYB7pA )

05:49:08 BingoBoingo: !up MiningBuddy

06:00:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 140 @ 0.13926563 = 19.4972 BTC [+] {6}

06:03:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00047489 = 11.1599 BTC [+]

06:08:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 906 @ 0.00117766 = 1.067 BTC [+] {10}

06:11:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.001295 = 1.295 BTC [+] {10}

06:16:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00047315 = 1.656 BTC [-]

06:29:21 cazalla: anyone have a somethingawful account?

06:30:22 cazalla: actually, no matter, got behind stupid wall with google cache

06:38:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00047856 = 8.0398 BTC [+] {2}

06:42:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29778 @ 0.00048315 = 14.3872 BTC [+] {2}

06:54:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53900 @ 0.00048847 = 26.3285 BTC [+] {2}

07:05:35 ben_vulpes: you guys the social security administration website keeps office hours: https://secure.ssa.gov/ICON/main.jsp

07:05:37 assbot: SSA Office Locator Social Security Office Locator, Social Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1ItekHm )

07:05:53 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/Nicole_West1/status/542205610092023808/photo/1

07:05:54 assbot: At the corner of University Ave. and Eighth. /hashtag/berkeleyprotests?src=hash http://t.co/5MoNmviExN

07:08:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice how nobody mentions the "fix your bdb max nodes thing"

07:08:54 mircea_popescu: everyone just knows the upgrade mantra.

07:08:56 mircea_popescu: because itnernet.

07:37:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.0004906 = 8.2421 BTC [+]

07:57:22 mircea_popescu: <undata> this idea that you can get dumb people to do smart things if only you find a way to put smart behind a single button mouse is a terrible religion << dude so true.

07:58:22 mircea_popescu: mats nothing like post-pregnancy scare celebration sex << her first threesome will top it.

07:58:50 mircea_popescu: !up lolhash

08:37:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00049118 = 13.753 BTC [+] {2}

08:43:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00048639 = 5.788 BTC [-]

09:02:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1050 @ 0.0012195 = 1.2805 BTC [+]

09:36:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00047375 = 18.0973 BTC [-] {5}

09:59:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00046554 = 24.3477 BTC [-] {3}

10:21:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86700 @ 0.00047939 = 41.5631 BTC [+] {3}

10:33:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19487 @ 0.00048982 = 9.5451 BTC [+]

10:41:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.14201659 = 5.1126 BTC [+] {8}

10:46:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00049093 = 6.4312 BTC [+] {2}

11:01:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12500101 = 1.25 BTC [-]

11:34:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14672 @ 0.00049142 = 7.2101 BTC [+] {2}

11:56:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29799 @ 0.00049275 = 14.6835 BTC [+] {2}

12:30:03 danielpbarron: ;;rate danieldaniel -1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg1008576#msg1008576

12:30:04 assbot: Bitcoin Savings and Trust | Home | Closed ... ( http://bit.ly/1w8QgV8 )

12:30:05 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user danieldaniel has been recorded.

12:33:19 danielpbarron: !up iang

12:34:22 danielpbarron: are you the "gpg sucks" guy?

12:36:55 punkman: !s financialcryptography.com

12:36:56 assbot: 3 results for 'financialcryptography.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=financialcryptography.com

12:43:01 punkman: iang: does anybody use Ricardo these days?

12:51:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00048944 = 20.6544 BTC [-] {2}

13:16:21 TomServo: !up iang

13:18:33 iang: punkman: just my company, small use

13:18:53 iang: danielpbarron: not really. I might be the “pgp sucks” guy tho

13:21:19 fluffypony: punkman: I use Riccardo

13:21:22 fluffypony: don't be a dick about us Riccardo's

13:21:23 fluffypony: we're great

13:21:34 fluffypony: :-P

13:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0004936 = 4.0969 BTC [+]

13:23:30 iang: fluffypony: link ?

13:23:42 fluffypony: iang: my name is Riccardo, it's a joke

13:23:42 iang: you might be talking about a different Ricardo :)

13:24:38 fluffypony: isn't OpenBizarre (pun) supposed to add support for Ricardian Contracts eventually?

13:25:23 punkman: puns are forbidden http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/28/china-media-watchdog-bans-wordplay-puns

13:25:24 assbot: China bans wordplay in attempt at pun control | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1qpoYch )

13:25:27 iang: lol… ok. I’m not sure how far along OpenBizzaro is with Riccys.

13:26:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6474 @ 0.0004936 = 3.1956 BTC [+]

13:26:25 iang: manpunk, you are fof lolly

13:27:03 fluffypony: fof lolly?

13:27:07 fluffypony: u wot m8?

13:27:25 iang: lol funny … wordplay, too bad to ban

13:28:41 iang: so, why does this channel use gpg authentication to filter traffic?

13:29:05 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/virransom-the-latest-ransomware/

13:29:07 fluffypony: well

13:29:09 punkman: it was already there because of gribble and #bitcoin-otc

13:29:13 fluffypony: yeah

13:29:15 cazalla: i loves me some ransomware

13:29:15 punkman: and it's a good idea

13:29:27 fluffypony: taking a step back

13:29:52 fluffypony: in the beginning when OTC (over the counter) trades with Bitcoin were more prevalent than crappy / scammy exchanges there was a need for an expression of trust relationships

13:30:04 fluffypony: so nanotube, bless his shiny metal heart, created gribble

13:30:28 fluffypony: a bot that allows any registered IRC user to further register with the Bitcoin-OTC WoT

13:30:28 punkman: gribble exists before otc I think

13:30:28 fluffypony: either using Bitcoin message signing

13:30:30 fluffypony: or using GPG

13:30:43 fluffypony: the WoT is a separate entity to the GPG WoT, of course

13:30:51 fluffypony: and GPG is purely used for identify verification

13:31:13 fluffypony: this channel has taken the WoT and used it for a purpose beyond OTC trades

13:31:57 fluffypony: and that is: to vastly increase the SNR by only allowing those in an extended trust network (up to level 2 from the point of origin, that is assbot's level 1 trust group) to talk

13:32:30 fluffypony: of course, those that aren't in that trust group can be given the privilege of temporary voice (30 minutes) by anyone within the trust group

13:32:57 iang: hmm OTC trading, ok, that makes sense.

13:33:19 fluffypony: ratings eg. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=fluffypony

13:33:20 assbot: Rating Details for User 'fluffypony' ... ( http://bit.ly/12mMXhi )

13:33:38 fluffypony: or from IRC -

13:33:43 fluffypony: ;;gettrust fluffypony danielpbarron

13:33:43 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013

13:37:07 iang: ah, so is this channel about the discussion of various asset classes?

13:37:13 punkman: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=iang.org

13:37:14 assbot: 3 results for 'iang.org' - #bitcoin-assets search

13:37:35 iang: Perhaps I had erroneously assumed the channel is about tech to do with assets

13:38:10 cazalla: iang, anything and everything is discussed here

13:38:22 jurov: the chan does not have enforced topic

13:38:45 iang: punkman: interesting selection

13:39:05 punkman: click on date and it takes you to the logs

13:42:29 thestringpuller: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lol http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2opywc/blockchain_is_doing_the_right_thing_and/

13:42:29 gribble: The operation succeeded.

13:42:51 cazalla: thestringpuller, i've seen pete's face everywhere today lol

13:43:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00049154 = 16.2208 BTC [-]

13:44:47 iang: I think you’re right, anything and everything gets discussed here

13:47:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26276 @ 0.00049319 = 12.9591 BTC [+] {2}

13:47:47 cazalla: !up iang

13:48:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23756 @ 0.00049846 = 11.8414 BTC [+]

13:54:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7430 @ 0.00048157 = 3.5781 BTC [-]

14:07:36 jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << still b0rk3d ? << will work after you finally submit more patches and signatures.

14:07:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/162QFPi )

14:09:25 jurov: if you want from me to test first with all conceivable smtp/mime oddities, filenames, etc... then that'd be vey long wait

14:14:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7442 @ 0.00049846 = 3.7095 BTC [+]

14:18:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1600 @ 0.00121864 = 1.9498 BTC [+] {2}

14:23:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59727 @ 0.00048042 = 28.694 BTC [-] {2}

14:32:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1200 @ 0.00121949 = 1.4634 BTC [+]

14:42:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5197 @ 0.00049374 = 2.566 BTC [+]

14:45:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43260 @ 0.00047589 = 20.587 BTC [-] {2}

14:46:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2841 @ 0.00046432 = 1.3191 BTC [-]

14:55:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00049539 = 5.2759 BTC [+] {2}

15:28:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1237 @ 0.00122742 = 1.5183 BTC [+] {2}

15:29:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14199997 = 1.42 BTC [+]

15:31:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2400 @ 0.00123919 = 2.9741 BTC [+] {8}

15:48:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00048045 = 9.7531 BTC [-] {2}

15:55:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00046504 = 2.5577 BTC [-]

15:57:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22064 @ 0.0004873 = 10.7518 BTC [+] {2}

16:03:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24076 @ 0.00049302 = 11.8699 BTC [+]

16:03:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14199998 = 1.42 BTC [+]

16:07:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00046504 = 11.6725 BTC [-]

16:10:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16373 @ 0.00049466 = 8.0991 BTC [+] {2}

16:11:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18831 @ 0.00049892 = 9.3952 BTC [+] {2}

16:28:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00047606 = 8.8071 BTC [-] {3}

16:36:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony: don't be a dick about us Riccardo's << what do you use him for ?

16:38:14 mircea_popescu: punkman: gribble exists before otc I think << yea was born in #bitcoin iirc, 2010s

16:39:46 mircea_popescu: iang:I think you?re right, anything and everything gets discussed here << http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/

16:39:47 assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zK66Vt )

16:40:35 mircea_popescu: whoa danieldaniel still exists ?!

16:40:38 mircea_popescu: that's some endurance right there.

16:40:56 hanbot: mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2oga48/buttcoin_is_sooo_big_in_argentina/cmpoq3j << could be a default fraudsters noob comment lol

16:41:36 mircea_popescu: hanbot lol!

16:41:36 mircea_popescu: is it yours ?

16:41:56 hanbot: nah

16:42:37 mircea_popescu: vpred libertard lmao.

17:03:59 mats: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/12/cia-torture-report-released

17:04:00 assbot: The Senate Just Released the CIA Torture Report. Read the Full Document. | Mother Jones ... ( http://bit.ly/1zKcDiS )

17:04:45 mats: embedded doc, though...

17:06:44 TomServo: full pdf available on cryptome.org

17:08:34 mircea_popescu: zese peoplez an zeir pdfeez

17:10:04 TomServo: Sorry for having to ask but: would 'rectal feeding' actually allow you ingest some nutrients? or what would be the point?

17:11:05 punkman: TomServo: of course

17:11:26 punkman: can't just stick a banana up your ass though

17:12:43 mats: nobody suggested that

17:12:43 mircea_popescu: TomServo yeah.

17:13:17 mircea_popescu: it would suck on the long term unless very carefully formulated, but otherwise...

17:14:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00050023 = 17.458 BTC [+] {2}

17:24:07 TomServo: Dumb question I suppose; hoped an asciilifeform joke made it into the report. arse/mouth etc.

17:25:57 mircea_popescu: TomServo best way to loosen up neurotic sort of chick is half white wine / half warm water enema.

17:26:22 mircea_popescu: demi bouteille of that an' she's giggling like god meant woman to giggle.

17:31:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14775 @ 0.00049507 = 7.3147 BTC [-]

17:41:48 thestringpuller: what does the warm water enema achieve?

17:42:24 mircea_popescu: dilutes and doesn't thermally shock the gut ?

17:45:48 jurov: relaxes the sphincter? or the vag, too?

17:49:30 mircea_popescu: !up LainZ

17:56:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 160 @ 0.12810045 = 20.4961 BTC [+] {3}

17:57:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.12527499 = 3.5077 BTC [-] {6}

17:59:07 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/noche-de-la-inmaculada-concepcion-en-imagenes/

18:04:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00049671 = 19.322 BTC [+] {2}

18:26:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2375 @ 0.00050104 = 1.19 BTC [+]

18:38:52 TomServo: https://twitter.com/barrysilbert/status/542340947204648961

18:38:54 assbot: Announcement: Pleased to share that the syndicate organized by /BitcoinTrust & our trading division won 48k bitcoin auctioned by US Marshals

18:40:34 mircea_popescu: heh.

18:45:19 punkman: the waterfall stronger than ever eh

18:48:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00048997 = 5.7571 BTC [-]

18:50:22 TomServo: Evidently. Looks like another 1700 or so left ethereum's wallet recently as well.

19:21:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 667 @ 0.00450001 = 3.0015 BTC [+]

19:21:49 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/ru-im-rar-unzipped.txt

19:21:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vAHbPS )

19:22:01 asciilifeform: run moar winblows.

20:00:02 asciilifeform: 'The CIA lacked a plan for the eventual disposition of its detainees. After taking custody of Abu Zubaydah, CIA officers concluded that he "should remain incommunicado for the remainder of his life"...'

20:01:37 asciilifeform: ^ document of questionable veracity, prepared by known professional liars, but good source on what to expect when you end up in the tender care of usg.

20:04:20 undata: asciilifeform: in this case I'm more than certain they're lying in the direction that makes them look better

20:04:57 asciilifeform: - or rather, a minimum of what to expect. the main purpose of the report appears to be usg bashing itself for hiring incompetent torturers on 'favourite son' contracts. implication is, 'we need to recruit real pros' - and every reason to expect that it will be tried, at the very least. out with the amateur finger-choppers, in with the transcranial pain centre stimulators and 'fMRI' gizmos, etc.

20:05:15 undata: yep

20:05:18 danielpbarron: ;;rate jyap 1 https://twitter.com/jyap/status/542409148323741697

20:05:20 assbot: I hope he comes here to tell us how "gpg is not user friendly and too hard." /jyap http://t.co/w1PgofiYzc /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /ElectrumWallet

20:05:20 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jyap has been recorded.

20:14:06 asciilifeform: 'The CIA did not hold any detainees after April 2008.' << i've a bridge to sell ya.

20:15:54 thestringpuller: danielpbarron you inspired a character for me

20:16:09 thestringpuller: the cryptopriest

20:16:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00048614 = 9.7957 BTC [-]

20:18:27 danielpbarron: heh

20:20:13 assbot: jyap +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

20:20:23 danielpbarron: !up jyap

20:20:35 jyap: thanks

20:21:18 danielpbarron: sonething tells me you aren't here to tell us how gpg isn't user friendly enough

20:22:28 jyap: well, personal invite from yourself

20:22:47 jyap: but GPG is fine by me

20:26:55 danielpbarron: I mentioned you because http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2014#947359

20:26:55 assbot: Logged on 07-12-2014 04:59:36; ben_vulpes: http://proofofdev.com/jbs-jumbucks/

20:27:46 jyap: ah yeah. never actually sent documentation in. more a video chat.

20:28:06 danielpbarron: heh.. "proof"

20:28:47 danielpbarron: if people consider video to be proof, no wonder it's widely believed that planes hit the twin towers

20:28:56 BingoBoingo: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20141209095711

20:28:57 assbot: Libressl 2.1.2 released. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wd8AuZ )

20:29:58 jyap: .. well yeah.

20:30:42 BingoBoingo: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/12/09/1347212/adnauseam-browser-extension-quietly-clicks-on-blocked-ads

20:30:43 assbot: AdNauseam Browser Extension Quietly Clicks On Blocked Ads - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wd8TWP )

20:30:48 asciilifeform: 'Two important cipher suites, GOST and Camellia, have been reworked or reenabled, providing better interoperability with systems around the world.' << LOL!!

20:31:38 asciilifeform: 'Initial support for Microsoft Windows 32-bit and 64-bit flavors has been added for mingw' << run moar winblows, aha. medicine for corpse.

20:32:24 asciilifeform: 'Assembly acceleration of various algorithms... ...x86_64 CPUs' << translation: let's use intel's diddled aes instructions.

20:33:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34895 @ 0.00049617 = 17.3139 BTC [+] {2}

20:36:52 undata: danielpbarron: dude, what?

20:37:54 undata: surely you meant to say "pentagon"

20:40:41 undata: not that I'd be surprised if you sucked some other conspiracy theory on the towers out of Alex Jones' tailpipe

20:45:12 Pierre_Rochard: http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/12/09/bitcoin-black-friday-2014-recap.html

20:45:13 assbot: Bitcoin Black Friday 2014 Recap | The BitPay Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1wamrDy )

20:46:25 undata: With traditional Black Friday sales down 11% from last year, it’s it’s important to recognize that bitcoin is being used for a variety of traditional products and services now. This Bitcoin Black Friday may signify a move forward and toward mainstream acceptance of bitcoin.

20:46:43 undata: "actually good news"

20:46:48 asciilifeform: black friday << mega-lol at the conspicuously-absent actual numbers

20:49:29 undata: bitcoin acceptance makes me think of fat acceptance

20:49:41 rithm: i feel skinny

20:49:50 undata: it's this social progress thing

20:49:50 rithm: and witty, and gaaaaaay

20:50:47 Pierre_Rochard: for many of the redditards it is a ~feels~ social movement, rather than a macro-economic force of nature

20:53:16 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

21:06:10 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/silbert-syndicate-wins-48000-btc-at-auction/

21:12:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/the-biggest-dangers-to-bitcoin-come-from-proponents-not-opponents-cm421357

21:12:27 assbot: The Biggest Dangers To Bitcoin Come From Proponents, Not Opponents - NASDAQ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1waq24G )

21:28:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45990 @ 0.0005018 = 23.0778 BTC [+] {2}

21:39:16 Pierre_Rochard: “The decentralized, non-governmental nature of digital currency makes it particularly appealing to those of an extreme libertarian bent. When those voices are the only ones heard, it makes wider adoption and acceptance less likely."

21:40:01 thestringpuller: is it weird that everytime I see someone talk about adoption and acceptance in an article I immediately think they are a n00b?

21:40:10 thestringpuller: I can't take them seriously.

21:42:47 danielpbarron: 03:37 <+undata> surely you meant to say "pentagon" << nope i meant the towers

21:43:07 danielpbarron: i don't listen to alex jones

21:43:34 undata: danielpbarron: I'm aware of the pentagon missile, but the towers?!

21:43:38 undata: I'm under the impression that many people in adjacent buildings saw it happen

21:45:20 undata: is it hard to believe that they could've both been hit by planes and demoed?

21:48:02 Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: because people like the author think Bitcoin _actually_ is a ponzi scheme and that they have to help attract greater fools, so public relations / appearance/ etc are super important to -sell- bitcoin to the unsuspecting masses

21:50:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.00050191 = 5.0728 BTC [+]

21:58:50 danielpbarron: undata, it's cheaper to edit video

21:59:06 danielpbarron: i don't know anyone who saw it happen

22:02:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57450 @ 0.00050286 = 28.8893 BTC [+] {3}

22:04:20 mats: I'm really irritated by this nonsense in the media about "torture is useless as an intelligence tool"

22:04:35 mats: what a blatant lie.

22:05:38 mats: danielpbarron: my grandparents watched the second plane hit from a high rise several blocks from the towers

22:06:46 danielpbarron: hm, ok

22:06:57 mats: they speak about a hundred english words between them, so i doubt they've been bought by USG.

22:07:46 mats: i'd consider effective placement of explosives near structural supports more plausible

22:08:59 undata: ^^

22:11:07 mats: anyway, this is probably obvious to everyone, but it should be voiced anyway: torture is definitely useful as an intelligence tool

22:11:39 punkman: not if you are torturing random derps though

22:11:40 mats: relying on a source that's been tortured, now, thats not useful, but thats why you verify the information...

22:11:47 asciilifeform: !s rectothermal

22:11:48 assbot: 36 results for 'rectothermal' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rectothermal

22:12:05 dub: applying it to turban wearers at random may not be

22:12:16 dub: which might be the point?

22:15:05 undata: mats: makes me wonder if that's the tactic: making the conversation about "Is torture effective?"

22:15:05 mats: this is what happens when you let HUMINT fall to the wayside

22:16:06 undata: rather than "do we want to live under the fear of a bureaucracy that tortures people at will?"

22:16:32 mats: i get the impression that most americans accept as fact that torture is ineffective

22:18:29 undata: mats: lets clarify things; do you think we benefit from having a CIA that does so?

22:18:52 mats: yes.

22:19:09 undata: hm, as part of current incarnation of USG?

22:19:38 mats: any effective intelligence agency ought to be prepared to torture a source.

22:20:10 mats: you think they're running a day care or something?

22:20:18 undata: that's an incorrect assumption of my opinion

22:20:35 undata: I want to live in a society where everything is done according to law

22:20:44 undata: even torturing "folks" if necessary

22:20:45 asciilifeform: intimidation and murder also work great, but are not nearly as 'photogenic'

22:21:11 undata: not at the whim of some unaccountable second govt

22:21:35 asciilifeform: undata: there is precisely one actual government - what you were thinking of as the 'second'

22:21:37 mats: people performing these things are ideally in the field

22:21:47 undata: asciilifeform: right, that's more correct

22:21:51 mats: as far as anyone is realistically concerned, they are the second government.

22:21:56 mats: and you can't do dick about it.

22:23:30 mats: PR backlash blah blah, anyone with a mild degree of intelligence understands this is how the game is played

22:23:40 mats: regardless if its admitted or not

22:24:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00049109 = 8.8396 BTC [-]

22:24:14 undata: without rule of law no one can settle down and get some goddamn work done

22:24:15 undata: too busy checking over their shoulder

22:24:28 undata: this is not tantamount to saying society should be hugs and kisses for all

22:25:15 mats: there's only one rule of law, and its wielded at the point of a weapon

22:25:33 undata: that's nice rhetoric, but that's about all

22:27:29 mats: intelligence work requires compartmentalization and centralization

22:27:48 mats: and once you get down to the fundamentals, agents in the field are basically unaccountable

22:27:53 undata: there's a distinction here between the guy that forces you to your desk to work, and the guy that jiggles your hand as you try to write

22:28:18 undata: mats: then they are free to seek their own interest; they're not slaves

22:28:20 undata: and all govt agents should be slaves

22:29:38 mats: in my opinion, this is a fundamentally irreconcilable difference between govt agents and intel agents

22:30:43 mats: you're going to ask an intel agent in the field to handicap himself, at the very real risk of being killed because of morals imposed by someone outside of the game?

22:30:55 mats: sounds like a recipe for high turnover and ineffective field work.

22:31:21 undata: and when the agents traffic enough cocaine to threaten your power over them?

22:31:49 mats: then you kill all of them.

22:31:55 mats: and hire a new spymaster you can leverage.

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22:32:39 BingoBoingo: !b 3

22:32:52 asciilifeform: it all depends, also, on whether you see usa as just a normal country, or - a fundamentally criminal enterprise, whose enemies - any and all of them - are really friends of mankind by virtue of being it's enemies, and are in fact defending themselves from usg colonial rape.

22:33:30 asciilifeform: *its

22:34:24 asciilifeform: - that is, who do you wish to see win?

22:35:37 BingoBoingo: It wouldn't end with "win" another criminal enterprise would emerge. better win is probably stalemate

22:36:41 asciilifeform: who said, 'end.' everything - dies.

22:37:09 asciilifeform: even 'thousand-year' reichs.

22:50:54 mats: its actually a humorous indictment of the CIAs HUMINT operations, that they weren't able to get useful information from the rendered

22:51:10 mats: too much noise in the signal. picked up the wrong dudes.

22:52:02 asciilifeform: mats: the actual enemies of usa population are already in usa - occupying high posts in wash., dc.

22:57:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 420 @ 0.00450001 = 1.89 BTC [+]

23:03:53 mats: hows it feel to be a lamb in a den of killers?

23:04:03 mats: ;;ticker

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23:04:55 BingoBoingo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk1fUzkqwbQ

23:04:56 assbot: Angry Ram takes on a 6 ton digger - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wdDvau )

23:05:00 BingoBoingo: ^ That

23:07:17 asciilifeform: lamb in 'mcdonalds.'

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23:08:22 BingoBoingo: Is McSchwarma a thing yet?

23:09:59 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'The CIA did not hold any detainees after April 2008.' <<< "the fed won't monetise the debt"

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23:11:15 mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> for many of the redditards it is a ~feels~ social movement, rather than a macro-economic force of nature << like everything else. like, that's all they got.

23:11:40 mircea_popescu: "When those voices are the only ones heard, it makes wider adoption and acceptance less likely." <<< so says... who ?

23:11:44 mircea_popescu: and htey know... how ?

23:12:16 mircea_popescu: the self-feeding circle of shit. "shit out because shit in because shit out because shit in because..."

23:13:09 mircea_popescu: "we are the clueless horde because everyone is clueless because we are clueless because everyone is clueless because that's all that exists because that's what we are because that's what one should be because that's what one can be because that's what we think because that's what we are because that's what we'ver seen because..."

23:13:18 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2014#946898

23:13:18 assbot: Logged on 06-12-2014 05:01:41; asciilifeform: these folks will eventually build arse-mouth systems and try to eat their own shit.

23:14:04 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> is it weird << notrly. like you know, if you hear a "sailor" talk about "Ships falling off the earth margin" you can also suspect they're the 15yo fibbing variety of seawolf.

23:14:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, hence all teh soviet shiteating jokes.

23:15:06 mircea_popescu: it's like a strange attractor of peronist discourse.

23:16:08 mircea_popescu: mats> relying on a source that's been tortured, now, thats not useful, but thats why you verify the information... << it's complicated. generally, by the time you have to torture people you're dead in the water.

23:16:21 mircea_popescu: it's like saying "wifebeating works as a matrimonial pacification tool".

23:16:28 mircea_popescu: i... guess ? if you think so ?

23:16:30 mircea_popescu: notrlytho.

23:18:14 mircea_popescu: <mats> i get the impression that most americans accept as fact that torture is ineffective << for sure. do you know what else they accept ? that "free markets don't work" and that "socialism is democracy" and all sorts of similar things. do you know why they accept them ? because they want to believe. 16 yo 7/10 valley girl also believes she's "beautiful" and that "she really has a chance". why wouldn't she, as far as

23:18:15 mircea_popescu: she's concerned.

23:21:21 mircea_popescu: <mats> in my opinion, this is a fundamentally irreconcilable difference between govt agents and intel agents << idealised intel agents. like idealised doctors or lawyers, doing "liberal professions". like naggum's idealised "real programmers". problem is, these people don't exist in the counts you might wish to employ. they exist in short supply.

23:22:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47800 @ 0.00050619 = 24.1959 BTC [+] {4}

23:22:30 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> - that is, who do you wish to see win? <<< seems rather uncontroversial by now that the us is a rogue state. at least to my eyes. but in two years of this we've yet to meet somerone who actually believes the us to be anything but a criminal organisation.

23:22:37 mircea_popescu: perhaps with the exception of the bluemeanie guy :D

23:25:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite a few folks say 'well yes, criminal' but for some reason refuse to walk the logical implication, a -> b..

23:27:03 mircea_popescu: !s 16 yo valley girl

23:27:04 assbot: 0 results for '16 yo valley girl' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=16+yo+valley+girl

23:27:16 mircea_popescu: >D

23:27:17 mircea_popescu: what reason dja think that is.

23:28:06 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because of the inevitable question, then, 'well what do i personally do now, seppuku?' that follows

23:28:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: closing eyes is the last refuge of the truly and genuinely fucked

23:29:01 mircea_popescu: which is of course silly.

23:29:21 mircea_popescu: plenty of women woke up one day to discover they married an asshole over the endless count of years.

23:29:35 mircea_popescu: none of them actually had to hang themselves for this lapse in their youthful judgement,

23:29:42 mircea_popescu: or, as the case may be, in their parents'.

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23:30:47 mircea_popescu: for thatmatter, even 30 years ago, "the us" aka "america" was something you'd have had to be chomsky not to believe in.

23:31:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most u.s. subjects don't have an obvious rational action to follow the awakening of 'aha so i'm living in a zoo run by demented vivisectionists, now i need to...'

23:31:45 mircea_popescu: "say it" ?

23:32:25 nubbins`: "...make something for supper"

23:32:46 mircea_popescu: o check it out, nubbins` brings sammiches.

23:32:53 nubbins`: not so

23:33:03 nubbins`: altho i did roast a pork tenderloin today

23:33:05 nubbins`: and let me tell you

23:33:10 nubbins`: it was fist-poundingly good

23:33:31 nubbins`: made an extremely heady pan sauce with some red wine

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