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00:00:03 nubbins`: well they do a pants-check

00:00:09 mircea_popescu: why do they keep bundling olymptics with the lame&tard mockfest

00:00:19 mircea_popescu: is the idea someone will somehow consider them the same thing somewhere sometime ?

00:01:02 nubbins`: i think it's more because everything is already set up

00:01:18 mod6: things that make you go "hmmm." The last Olympic games where medals were made entirely of gold was 1912.

00:01:20 nubbins`: why break down the tables after the boy scouts banquet if the girl guides banquet is tomorrow?

00:01:21 mircea_popescu: so basically, since i have a bed anyway, some guy unrelated might as well come take a nap.

00:01:39 nubbins`: sure, yeah, if you're in a hotel.

00:01:43 mircea_popescu: mod6 100% gold is a problem tho.

00:01:45 mod6: If the London 2012 Games medals were made from solid gold, they would cost £25 million to make.

00:01:47 mircea_popescu: it's practically chocolate

00:01:49 mod6: HAHAH

00:01:51 mircea_popescu: comes off on your fingers

00:01:51 nubbins`: heh

00:02:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i wouldn't go to that hotel, cause im fucking cool, being the olympics.

00:02:27 nubbins`: heh.

00:02:34 nubbins`: i didn't think 100% gold was a thing, anyway.

00:02:34 mircea_popescu: and no you can't have my knife, this isn't a cafeteria, it's a restaurant

00:02:35 mircea_popescu: etc

00:02:46 mircea_popescu: didn't he say completely ?

00:03:09 nubbins`: entirely, but yes

00:03:40 nubbins`: 1912, i'd say they were lucky to get three 9s of purity

00:03:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [-]

00:04:12 nubbins`: this is based on no research, but i stand by it

00:04:21 mircea_popescu: nah, you can get infinitely pure gold even on 1800s tech

00:04:21 mod6: Olympic Gold medals are required to be made from at least 92.5% silver, and must contain a minimum of 6 grams of gold.

00:04:33 mod6: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_medal

00:04:34 ozbot: Gold medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

00:04:39 nubbins`: infinitely? not likely

00:04:50 nubbins`: 99.999% is the best i've ever heard of

00:04:51 mircea_popescu: nubbins` only limited by your patience

00:05:01 nubbins`: and bankroll

00:05:05 mircea_popescu: well eyah

00:05:10 nubbins`: but still!

00:05:16 nubbins`: five 9s is, i think, the record

00:05:29 mircea_popescu: actually, you can prolly get three 9s at home in your kitchen

00:05:33 nubbins`: nod

00:05:40 nubbins`: diminishing returns after that

00:05:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

00:05:57 nubbins`: i think generally five 9s isn't done often because it's not worth the trouble

00:06:22 mircea_popescu: pretty much

00:06:25 nubbins`: altho once you're set up, no big deal

00:06:34 nubbins`: canada sells 99999 bullion at ~spot

00:07:02 nubbins`: untold $ to set up that sort of facility tho, no doubt

00:07:17 mircea_popescu: not really, man. just wash it in acid, piss in the thing

00:07:22 mircea_popescu: repeat until you're bored.

00:08:29 nubbins`: i think it would take me a while to get bored with pissing on gold

00:09:33 nubbins`: wow, they didn't even award gold medals until the 3rd modern olympics

00:09:47 nubbins`: was only silver/bronze for the first two

00:10:05 mircea_popescu: gold is valuable, yo.

00:10:08 mircea_popescu: almost like bitcoin

00:10:13 nubbins`: btc medal

00:10:25 mircea_popescu: (fun fact : even at the height at the gold standard, gold was RARELY seen in commerce if at all

00:10:38 mircea_popescu: most shopkeepers could live an entire shopkeeping life without ever seeing a gold coin)

00:11:15 nubbins`: but don't worry, stackers, you'll totally be able to use your krugerrands to buy groceries when SHTF

00:11:34 mircea_popescu: yeah, totally.

00:11:44 the20year: Ammo is much more useful

00:12:05 the20year: Just as good as a commodity as gold/silver, but can be used :)

00:12:33 punkman: cow might be better

00:12:40 mircea_popescu: i'd totally want to go hunting with a suppply of bullets that's spent the past three years being handled and knocked around in pockets by 5000 dorks.

00:12:47 the20year: Animals i'm sure could be used, but they're not easily transportable.

00:12:51 mircea_popescu: prolly shoot myself after the first two hours

00:13:32 the20year: Most of the guys that I know that stockpile ammo are keeping it in the factory sealed cans. In the US we get quite a bit of warsaw pac stuff that was designed to have 300+ year shelf lifes

00:13:52 mircea_popescu: yeah, but this is before shtf.

00:13:53 herbijudlestoids: john hussman is my fav fund manager...every monday he releases a weekly market comment, its a happy read for me http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc140210.htm

00:14:30 benkay: if you're really hedging against needing lots of bullets wouldn't it be better to throw down the cash for a milling machine and buy the individual chemical components?

00:14:38 nubbins`: i've got my doubts that any bullet would pass through more than a couple of hands after shtf

00:14:47 benkay: then mill the components into powder on demand?

00:14:58 nubbins`: benkay, what's a milling machine?

00:15:01 mircea_popescu: benkay down the same route : wouldn't the best investment be a large supply of keys to already installed cock cages ?

00:15:14 nubbins`: is that one of those weird things that doesn't work anymore since the shtf?

00:15:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` no because it's hand operated by cockcaged slave guys

00:15:40 the20year: Depends benkay, the components are stockpiled by plenty of people, but not everyone has the knowhow to reload, and most shooters dont' trust other people who reload the ammo

00:15:40 benkay: no, no. a hand-cranked mill that mills powders into well-mixed other powders.

00:15:47 the20year: Too easy to doublecharge something and blow someone up

00:16:04 nubbins`: the20year, that's actually perfect

00:16:09 benkay: cock cages?

00:16:13 nubbins`: "i'll trade you 1 bullet for that chicken"

00:16:18 the20year: The chemical components are extremely expensive for modern powders and highly controlled, or you could buy a 8lb, or 24lb jug of mixed powder

00:16:20 nubbins`: guy takes your bullet, blows his face off

00:16:24 nubbins`: then you get all his chickens.

00:16:33 mircea_popescu: lol

00:16:38 the20year: The US did that in vietnam quite a bit, filled enemy bullets with high explosives and let them kill themselves

00:16:55 nubbins`: sneaky

00:16:56 mircea_popescu: and they totally won o nthat strategy

00:16:59 nubbins`: ^

00:17:06 nubbins`: well they got all the chickens anyway

00:17:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC

00:17:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it was mostly desperation, by that point. wasn't that widely employed, but hey. anything to maybe get an edge

00:17:18 the20year: For what it was, it was pretty effective, granted the US military foray into vietnam in of itself was idocy

00:17:23 nubbins`: ever try fighting a man who just ate a full chicken?

00:17:44 nubbins`: he doesn't want to be at it

00:17:54 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids "are about double the level that would generate historically adequate long-term returns"

00:17:55 nubbins`: "fuck off dude, srsly"

00:18:06 the20year: It's slightly more diffcult than people who are nearly starving to death, ala stalingrad/leningrad

00:18:11 mircea_popescu: i'd say the man is well within range. that's about where i see it too.

00:19:07 nubbins`: ;;ticker --market btcc

00:19:08 gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 739.2467, Best ask: 739.248349, Bid-ask spread: 0.00165, Last trade: 739.2467, 24 hour volume: 5719.74300000, 24 hour low: 739.2467, 24 hour high: 742.401237, 24 hour vwap: None

00:19:31 the20year: I hope the end of CNY helps prices

00:19:44 nubbins`: ;;ticker --market btce

00:19:44 gribble: BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 696.0, Best ask: 698.499, Bid-ask spread: 2.49900, Last trade: 695.599, 24 hour volume: 12327.09818, 24 hour low: 671.0, 24 hour high: 730.0, 24 hour vwap: 700.5

00:19:51 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: he is a genius

00:19:55 nubbins`: the end of cny?

00:19:57 the20year: ;;ticker -- market coinbase

00:19:58 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)

00:20:09 nubbins`: i guess i could have just done --market all

00:20:13 the20year: chinese new years, from what i had been told it has a pretty dramatic on all economics involving china

00:20:21 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: called both the 2000 and 2007 top and both 2003 and 2009 bottom (altho he lost out on the 2009 bottom)

00:20:27 the20year: I know that in my brother's case he's been waiting on $20k+ of materials and the new years delayed it

00:20:31 mircea_popescu: publicly ?

00:20:32 nubbins`: the20year, not just china

00:20:43 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: publicly

00:20:47 mircea_popescu: pretty good.

00:20:49 the20year: Yeah, you're right, but china was just noted in this case becaus of BTCchina

00:20:54 nubbins`: nod

00:20:56 the20year: ;;market all

00:20:56 gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "all" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.

00:20:59 the20year: ;;ticker market all

00:21:00 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)

00:21:04 nubbins`: --market

00:21:08 the20year: ;;ticker --market all

00:21:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 610 @ 0.00085181 = 0.5196 BTC [-]

00:21:17 nubbins`: heh you flooded gribs

00:21:21 nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all

00:21:27 nubbins`: OR MAYBE WE BOTH DID

00:21:27 the20year: I give up

00:21:39 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 669.001, vol: 19663.61274054 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 685.16, vol: 15162.33167109 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 698.497, vol: 12321.14734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 685.23, vol: 9677.87031879 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 712.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 739.2467, vol: 5719.94200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 687.664329714

00:21:52 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 669.001, vol: 19663.81537946 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 685.17, vol: 15159.21567109 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 698.6, vol: 12321.14734 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 689.0, vol: 9677.87031879 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 712.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 739.2467, vol: 5719.94200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 688.270486674

00:21:56 nubbins`: :(

00:22:00 nubbins`: sorry you guise

00:22:21 the20year: Coinbase is $720, not too bad, that's typically who we use to get usd to fiat and what not

00:22:27 mircea_popescu: dudes srsly, you can just pm gribble

00:22:48 nubbins`: i said sorry D;

00:22:55 the20year: My brother actually pitched the idea of bitcoin to a higher level manager at DHL, and coinbase contacted him to pass some information to DHL, i guess coinbase has some pretty neat programs for large organiations

00:23:41 cazalla: yeah well my dad knows the CEO of DHL

00:24:18 the20year: They need to listen to whomever their top guy in Ohio is then :D

00:24:22 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: he had one issue in 2009 when he was insisting to stress test their method against depression era data, so he missed that bottom in trade but did call it

00:24:32 the20year: My brother sends enough DHL packages I guess that they want to start a hub or branch or whatever where he's located

00:24:48 the20year: herb, this is the fund manager you talked about earlier?

00:24:57 mircea_popescu: how old is the guy ?

00:24:59 cazalla: My brother sends twice as many DHL packages as your brother

00:25:26 nubbins`: YEAH WELL MY DAD IS A FUCKING COP

00:25:50 mircea_popescu: i bet nubbins dad could be sent to ohio by cazalla's dad

00:25:52 mircea_popescu: in a package

00:26:02 nubbins`: no doubt

00:26:12 nubbins`: anyway, just kidding, if my dad was a cop i'd kill myself

00:26:12 the20year: he'd enjoy our weather

00:26:15 mircea_popescu: then he could do a hood jump and arrest putin

00:26:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

00:26:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00085067 = 13.1429 BTC [-] {2}

00:26:20 the20year: How is romania right now in terms of snowfall mircea_popescu?

00:26:32 mircea_popescu: the entire thing melted and it smells like spring

00:26:33 mircea_popescu: here.

00:26:39 the20year: Nice

00:26:41 nubbins`: -17c overnight here

00:26:45 mircea_popescu: the rest of the country, well... some snow. nothing huge.

00:26:46 nubbins`: basically the same

00:26:48 the20year: I had to shovel a 2ft high ice wall last night

00:27:02 the20year: Car slid off road today into a guard rail. This is the worst winter I've ever had to drive in

00:27:06 herbijudlestoids: the20year: yeah

00:27:07 mircea_popescu: some people from somalia had to drive to kenya or something

00:27:08 cazalla: we've had heat wave after heat wave over the past few weeks in australia

00:27:12 mircea_popescu: to get out of the disaster area

00:27:12 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: um, i guess 40ish?

00:27:38 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids trying to discern if i should have his history dug up or not.

00:27:53 the20year: we're gonna hit -17c a few times next week

00:27:58 nubbins`: maybe all this weird weather is from not burning enough dinosaur mud

00:27:59 mircea_popescu: cazalla well now we finally know who's causing all the global warming. STOP IT

00:28:02 the20year: Our record low with windchill so far this year was -50

00:28:19 cazalla: a few weeks back we had 40c+ for 5 days straight

00:28:42 nubbins`: fun fact, we have a ton of offshore oil fields here, and they just burn off all the natural gas on site instead of doing something useful with it

00:28:45 the20year: Is that pretty untypical?

00:28:45 cazalla: i had to bring my meat rabbits inside

00:28:56 the20year: Nubbins, you in the US or somewhere else?

00:29:01 nubbins`: eastern canada

00:29:04 the20year: No mister for them caz?

00:29:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07080001 = 0.708 BTC [-] {5}

00:29:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00086515 = 0.173 BTC [+] {2}

00:29:21 the20year: They used to do that all the time locally, but anymore they bottle/compress it or something else

00:29:31 nubbins`: well that would be the sensible thing

00:29:54 the20year: The compression systems aren't cheap, but i did manage to find one a few years ago that ran off of natural gas

00:30:02 the20year: so your only imput was natural gas, output was compressed or liquified

00:30:09 cazalla: the20year: nope but i don't think that'd done much for them in 40+ heat for 5 days

00:30:18 cazalla: do*

00:30:27 nubbins`: i have a hard time believing that the compression systems are so uneconomical that the better solution is to just waste it all

00:30:32 the20year: We have 40c days here in Ohio and that's usually what they do

00:30:32 nubbins`: makes me wonder

00:30:41 the20year: I'm sure it all depends on how much gas

00:30:45 nubbins`: nod

00:30:51 the20year: the one I looked at took 50% to 70% of the input to compress it

00:30:59 nubbins`: huh.

00:31:01 the20year: Specifically, i was looking at building a methane digester and compressing the gas

00:31:04 mircea_popescu: nubbins` maybe the hassle of getting permits is such that they're just making a point.

00:31:09 the20year: Compressing NG isn't cheap

00:31:20 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, there's no such thing as a hassle here

00:31:27 nubbins`: if you want to plunder resources

00:31:36 nubbins`: they'll name a building after ya

00:31:40 mircea_popescu: lol

00:32:03 nubbins`: "we have height restrictions on all buildings in the downtown core"

00:32:14 nubbins`: "we are a large company that wishes to build a highrise"

00:32:20 nubbins`: "lel jk about that restriction thing"

00:34:06 the20year: nubbins, you in alberta?

00:34:45 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids http://www.hussmanfunds.com/theFunds.html << why the fuck is he -5% over 5 years

00:36:10 nubbins`: the20year, east coast

00:36:16 nubbins`: was married in alberta tho!

00:36:21 the20year: ah

00:36:36 the20year: NB, quebec or some such?

00:36:39 nubbins`: NL

00:37:05 the20year: nl?

00:37:12 nubbins`: easternmost province in canada

00:37:26 the20year: nm

00:37:31 the20year: i didn't realize people lived there

00:37:36 nubbins`: ...

00:37:51 ThickAsThieves: https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111

00:38:02 ThickAsThieves: someone put altcoin in an exchange

00:38:03 nubbins`: consider yourself realized, i guess :D

00:38:06 ThickAsThieves: Rawt

00:38:14 ThickAsThieves: sorry

00:38:16 ThickAsThieves: r3wt

00:38:20 nubbins`: a newfoundlander invented the gas mask!

00:38:32 the20year: cool

00:38:38 the20year: you were once a british colony

00:38:38 nubbins`: the first giant squid corpse ever found washed ashore here!

00:38:43 nubbins`: yes, until 1949

00:38:49 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: basically in 2009 he mandated that they stress test their method on pre WW2 depression era data to validate it, and consequently missed the bottom. by the time he was satisfied the market had returned to overbought/overvalued/overbullish/rising yields state

00:38:49 the20year: Payment for fighting ww2 :)

00:38:59 nubbins`: the20year, we didn't "fight" in ww2 :)

00:39:00 herbijudlestoids: so hes been essentially fully hedged since 2009 and paying for the puts

00:39:14 the20year: Canada was certainly involved

00:39:16 mircea_popescu: this is incredibly stupid ;/

00:39:20 nubbins`: yes, for sure

00:39:30 the20year: Granted, many times under control of idiotic english generals

00:39:32 nubbins`: most newfoundland men of age were slaughtered in ww1

00:39:37 mircea_popescu: so he's fighting the fed on his shoestring budget ? what is this, the internet ?

00:39:42 nubbins`: we didn't send any soldiers for ww2

00:39:44 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: it turns out in hindsight that their method would have worked perfectly but he wanted to be sure

00:39:50 the20year: Canada - The poland of the commonwealth

00:40:03 the20year: I meant canada in General

00:40:05 nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont-Hamel_Newfoundland_Memorial

00:40:23 nubbins`: anyway, newfoundland was british for both world wars

00:40:32 nubbins`: mildly funny to see canadian flags flown on remembrance day here

00:40:42 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/6880f31099d85c43fedb66c430111269/tumblr_mkhcyrDViE1r7ryano1_500.jpg

00:40:56 the20year: they fly US flags in hawaii and Alaska during our veteran memorial days

00:41:14 the20year: I guess it's better than flying the UK flag

00:41:25 nubbins`: heh

00:41:25 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: well he doesnt really view the "fighting the fed" angle as valid, he doesnt believe QE has any proven mechanism for higher prices and shows pretty convincing data on that front. his view is the rally since 2009 is entirely attributable to the FASB mark to unicorn rules

00:41:48 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, saved

00:41:51 nubbins`: ;p

00:41:56 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids a distinction ultimately without a difference

00:42:06 the20year: fasb?

00:42:27 herbijudlestoids: ;;google fasb

00:42:28 gribble: FASB Home: http://www.fasb.org/; Facts About FASB: http://www.fasb.org/jsp/FASB/Page/SectionPage&cid=1176154526495; Standards - FASB: http://www.fasb.org/jsp/FASB/Page/LandingPage&cid=1175805317350

00:42:31 mircea_popescu: the us cook your books authority.

00:42:45 nubbins`: fasb, flambeeing and sauteeing books

00:42:57 herbijudlestoids: lots of new blocks churning on altcoin today

00:43:18 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids the argument isn't that in an actually functioning economy with actual accounting and reporting the virtual equivalent of the fed could prop up prices by printing paper.

00:43:44 the20year: NL did manage a artillery regiment in ww2

00:43:49 mircea_popescu: the argument is that in the actual dysfunctional economy as it is, without any accounting or reporting, the fed can SAY it did anything it pleases, and SAY it had whatever effect it choses

00:44:11 herbijudlestoids: so wut? does that have any proven link to higher stock prices? no

00:44:44 herbijudlestoids: the whole point of the hussman funds is to invest based on proven transmission mechanisms

00:44:55 mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way to profitably invest in equity in the soviet us is by being friendly with the us politburo.

00:44:56 herbijudlestoids: breadth, valuation, sentiment, rates, etc

00:45:06 the20year: So do you have seasons in NL

00:45:10 mircea_popescu: that'd be the only proven and conceptually sound transmission mechanism,

00:45:14 nubbins`: the20year: ah, ya learn something new every day

00:45:19 mircea_popescu: and i wonder why's he not lobbying then.

00:45:37 the20year: I'm big on ww2 history, it was pretty easy to find out whether they sent infantry, i was pretty sure they sent something

00:46:28 nubbins`: yeah

00:46:39 nubbins`: there were entire communities here essentially wiped out by ww1

00:46:57 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: you might like this article http://hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc100823.htm

00:47:56 the20year: Yeah , that was pretty common with commonwealth troops during WW1. All the colonies got screwed by England when they started having manpower shortgages

00:48:40 the20year: Australia had sometimes similarissues, but more canadians were involved in events like passendale and the somme that obliterated large division sized units

00:49:04 herbijudlestoids: ThickAsThieves: yo you around?

00:49:44 the20year: And they kind of had the similar opinion/use of commonwealth troops during ww2, just look at dieppe

00:49:55 nubbins`: yeah, there's some connection between newfoundland and passchendaele

00:49:58 nubbins`: the details escape me

00:50:55 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids his model is fundamentally broken. the relative prices of currencies are to a large degree fixed politically.

00:51:01 the20year: 67k deaths, 150k wounded just abotu for canada and australia each

00:51:21 the20year: 4.5m total aussies at that time, 7.5m canadians at that time

00:51:21 nubbins`: war: not so much of a lel

00:52:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20185 @ 0.00085153 = 17.1881 BTC [+] {2}

00:53:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1510 @ 0.00019 = 0.2869 BTC [+] {3}

00:54:39 ThickAsThieves: <herbijudlestoids> ThickAsThieves: yo you around? --- for a few minutes or so

00:56:26 herbijudlestoids: damnit, i forgot what i was going to ask you lol

00:56:38 herbijudlestoids: oh right, is there a blockchain explorer up for altcoin?

00:57:21 mircea_popescu: yes.

00:57:27 mircea_popescu: atc.blockr.io

00:58:41 ThickAsThieves: i'm rolling the dice and sending some btc to this exchange

00:58:53 ThickAsThieves: the guy seems to have a history of outing scammers

00:58:57 ThickAsThieves: maybe he's okay

00:59:00 herbijudlestoids: thx.

00:59:07 Duffer1: to r3wt?

00:59:11 ThickAsThieves: yeah

00:59:18 mircea_popescu: what's the exchange ?

00:59:21 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust r3wt

00:59:22 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never

00:59:26 ThickAsThieves: https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111

00:59:32 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so tell him to get in the wot first

00:59:38 mircea_popescu: if he does your chances just improved 10x

00:59:38 BingoBoingo: r3wt doesn't exactly have a history himself of being reliable...

00:59:43 Duffer1: he scammed some guys he devd a coin for by premining the shit out of it

01:00:02 Duffer1: but manned up and apologized on the forums, hasn't changed his ID

01:00:11 mircea_popescu: he's like 19 n'est pas ?

01:00:30 nubbins`: that's essentially an adult

01:00:39 herbijudlestoids: herbi haz found 0 blox :(

01:01:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` only for fucking.

01:01:55 ThickAsThieves: okay i asked him to join

01:01:58 ThickAsThieves: we shall see

01:02:42 nubbins`: http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/09/world/europe/denmark-zoo-giraffe/

01:03:42 ThickAsThieves: <Duffer1> he scammed some guys he devd a coin for by premining the shit out of it --- isnt this like impossible to get away with?

01:03:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19215 @ 0.00085181 = 16.3675 BTC [+]

01:04:18 Duffer1: he claimed some technicality in their agreement or some such nonsense

01:04:47 mircea_popescu: he basically figured the op is retarded

01:05:02 ThickAsThieves: well get them all in wot and we'll see who weighs what

01:05:24 Duffer1: this was a few month ago at least

01:05:24 ThickAsThieves: which reminds me

01:05:43 ThickAsThieves: shameless request that anyone who hasnt rated me and has good reason to, please do

01:05:45 mircea_popescu: which wasn't that far off, the op went into a hysteria of nutty posting

01:06:37 ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust thickasthieves

01:06:37 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user thickasthieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=thickasthieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thickasthieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013

01:06:53 nubbins`: lel

01:06:56 nubbins`: nice graph

01:08:59 nubbins`: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/crack-pipe-vending-machines-a-boon-to-vancouver-users/article16769973/?cmpid=rss1

01:09:15 benkay: babeface walked into a sharp thing on my mother's pilates reformer last night, and then went running/sledding drunk and naked in the snow afterwards. now she's dancing around the apartment wincing and cursing whenever she lands on the bum leg.

01:09:17 benkay: it's lolarious.

01:12:43 moiety: ThickAsThieves: don't

01:12:49 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Only in Canada where your Mayors endorse them

01:13:25 nubbins`: just one mayor

01:13:43 nubbins`: anyway, 25 cents for a crack pipe

01:13:45 nubbins`: not a bad deal

01:13:58 mircea_popescu: benkay you know you'll eventually have to put up a feed.

01:14:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.000475 = 0.475 BTC [+] {2}

01:14:17 nubbins`: people piss and moan about "oh this just enables/encourages etc"

01:14:22 nubbins`: bullshit

01:14:38 nubbins`: "pipes are a quarter? maybe i'll try smoking rocks"

01:14:54 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Just one Mayor that has been Caught. Eventually your Marion Berry will find their Kwame Killpatrick

01:15:05 nubbins`: my who and their who?

01:15:10 benkay: nubbins`: how can you be cool with crack pipes and not pmbs?

01:15:27 nubbins`: benkay, i'll leave that as an exercise to the reader

01:15:32 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: DC Mayor and Detroit Mayor, both liked crack

01:15:37 nubbins`: you seem smart, you should be able to figure it out :D

01:15:41 nubbins`: BingoBoingo, ah :D

01:15:48 benkay: nubbins`: what, crack addicts are addicted already?

01:16:10 ThickAsThieves: <moiety> ThickAsThieves: don't what?

01:16:19 benkay: i seriously do not get it. consider it a flaw of youth, and this your opportunity to larn me a thing.

01:16:20 nubbins`: you just posed a tautology as a question

01:16:31 nubbins`: benkay: we have free universal healthcare here in canada.

01:16:42 nubbins`: know what's cheaper than AIDS treatment?

01:16:47 nubbins`: a 25 cent crack pipe.

01:17:08 benkay: doesn't really address the heroin side of things, though.

01:17:17 nubbins`: sure

01:17:17 moiety: ThickAsThieves: i mean r3wt. just don't.

01:17:19 benkay: but mitigates i guess?

01:17:24 ThickAsThieves: oh

01:17:24 nubbins`: there's a supervised injection site in downtown vancouver

01:17:26 nubbins`: same thing.

01:17:36 nubbins`: junkies using dirty needles = healthcare burden

01:17:51 nubbins`: plus, outreach

01:18:13 benkay: no to be flip but idiots with btc = scam burden

01:18:13 moiety: junkies. = healthcare burden

01:18:20 nubbins`: some junkie goes to Insite to shoot up, not only does he not give himself hep/aids, but he's now in a room with people who can encourage him to seek treatment

01:18:33 nubbins`: moiety: not necessarily

01:18:50 nubbins`: and even then, there are degrees

01:19:12 moiety: how? they are using healthcare, if not for their habit, for the issues it brings them later down the line

01:19:23 nubbins`: okay, but everyone is using healthcare

01:19:28 moiety: yep

01:19:33 moiety: some more than others

01:19:36 nubbins`: yes

01:19:44 nubbins`: the guy with hep c, for example, vs the guy without

01:19:56 nubbins`: or, put another way, the guy who shared a needle vs the guy who got a clean one

01:20:19 nubbins`: junkies are going to shoot up whether they have clean digs or not

01:20:20 moiety: or any guy using a needle clean or dirty vs a guy who doesn't

01:20:33 moiety: which is a burden

01:20:39 benkay: everyone's a burden on healthcare, moiety. idiots who eat too many carbs and develop diabetes are vastly more expensive than junkies.

01:20:48 nubbins`: the purpose of safe injection sites is to prevent junkies from getting hep c and try to get them to clean up

01:20:55 moiety: totally agree with you there benkay

01:22:29 nubbins`: anyway, the big mistake people make is thinking that safe injection sites, free crack pipes etc "enable" drug users

01:22:34 nubbins`: which is laughable

01:22:52 moiety: it is, if they want it they will get it

01:22:58 nubbins`: exactly.

01:23:04 nubbins`: social conservatives struggle with this concept

01:23:05 moiety: cleaner practice is always the ideal

01:23:40 nubbins`: 76% of vancouver residents support the existence of Insite

01:24:04 nubbins`: think about that: THREE QUARTERS of a major metropolitan city would rather the junkies have a safe, clean place to shoot up

01:24:57 moiety: i think 100% would rather not see them staggering/laying around places either

01:25:07 nubbins`: oh, sure

01:25:18 moiety: this way, they are contained too

01:25:38 nubbins`: the other side is dirty needles

01:25:57 nubbins`: you want 'em in the streets or in a sharps container?

01:26:00 moiety: you get a lot here

01:26:20 benkay: just a short slide from locking all of the undesireables up in crappy hi-rises. i endorse.

01:26:49 benkay: "have some tv, water, food-paste, sharps, internet. go to town, kids! just don't leave the tower."

01:26:53 nubbins`: they busted a house across the street from a dive bar i frequent some months ago

01:26:59 nubbins`: found a GOLF BAG full of dirty needles

01:27:01 nubbins`: FULL.

01:27:28 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> junkies are going to shoot up whether they have clean digs or not << the solution isn't to let them do w/e they want cause otherwise they hold their breath

01:27:39 mircea_popescu: the solution is to not provide any healthcare out of public funds for any drug user.

01:27:48 mircea_popescu: you ever used drugs in your life ? tough. gotta pay now.

01:27:49 dub: thats more expensive

01:27:51 nubbins`: that's only a solution in la-la land

01:28:06 mircea_popescu: no, it's a solution in reality. the lala land is the presumption that anyone is worth something.

01:28:19 dub: dead body in the gutter causes more problems

01:28:21 nubbins`: ^

01:28:31 dub: costs more than healthcare etc

01:28:31 mircea_popescu: while recent tech boom allowed such nonsense be financed by squandering resources that'd have been better used elsewhere,

01:28:36 mircea_popescu: overall the gravy train is going away

01:28:38 nubbins`: so how do you determine if someone has "ever" used drugs

01:28:45 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you test em

01:28:49 dub: its kinda like the argument for not fucing up the environment then dealing with it later

01:28:53 nubbins`: test them for what?

01:28:58 dub: oh wait

01:29:04 mircea_popescu: for your definiton of drugs

01:29:13 nubbins`: know what's cheaper than a drug test?

01:29:17 nubbins`: a 25 cent crack pipe.

01:29:22 mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit really.

01:29:25 dub: know whats mostly untestable

01:29:38 nubbins`: lsd?

01:29:38 mircea_popescu: dub no it's not. you telling me a heroin addict is untestable for junk ?

01:29:47 dub: after a matter of days, yes

01:29:53 mircea_popescu: IF he waits a few days

01:29:57 mircea_popescu: then no prejudice.

01:30:33 dub: stupid argument anyway

01:30:41 mircea_popescu: hah. stop sidestepping.

01:30:42 dub: its like arguing that prostitution be illegal

01:30:51 mircea_popescu: no, it's not at all like that.

01:31:03 dub: people are going to do it, there is an efficient way to deal and its not filling up jails

01:31:07 mircea_popescu: you can afford drugs, you can afford to pay the hospital bill.

01:31:12 mircea_popescu: do your math and make up your choices.

01:31:13 nubbins`: well that's the thing

01:31:18 dub: or exterminating people or whatever your solution is

01:31:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07950001 = 0.159 BTC [+]

01:31:21 nubbins`: there isn't an "Afford drugs"

01:31:29 mircea_popescu: dub there's no "dealing". its not your motherfucking job to solve idiots problems

01:31:31 mircea_popescu: let them rot.

01:31:36 nubbins`: you're gonna steal flatscreen TVs to pay for a hospital stay?

01:31:41 dub: if you want an efficient society it is

01:31:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins` shot on the spot.

01:31:49 mircea_popescu: you stole a tv ? bang.

01:31:50 mircea_popescu: next ?

01:32:20 nubbins`: what's the cutoff

01:32:26 nubbins`: suppose you steal a loaf of bread

01:32:29 nubbins`: shot?

01:32:29 mircea_popescu: bang.

01:32:31 nubbins`: or just lose a hand

01:32:36 dub: steal a look at random chicks tits?

01:32:38 mircea_popescu: there's no cutoff. you're caught stealing that's it for you.

01:32:46 dub: some would say bang

01:32:51 mircea_popescu: dub nah, all that bs copyright shit is going away.

01:33:03 nubbins`: well

01:33:09 nubbins`: i can't see any flaws in this line of thinking

01:33:17 nubbins`: you just solved crime and drug addiction

01:33:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08298893 = 0.166 BTC [+]

01:33:23 mircea_popescu: you're not "dealing" with people./

01:33:29 mircea_popescu: you make simple rules and enforce them drastically.

01:33:30 mircea_popescu: that's it.

01:33:47 dub: do the maths

01:33:50 mircea_popescu: okay ?

01:33:55 nubbins`: not really okay

01:34:01 nubbins`: maybe for romania, no idea what things are like there

01:34:12 mircea_popescu: it's actually okay whether you like it or not. a la bitcoin.

01:34:18 nubbins`: in canada, it's generally accepted that people don't want things the way you describe

01:34:25 mircea_popescu: nobody cares what people want

01:34:28 nubbins`: lel

01:34:29 mircea_popescu: first on the list, the people themselves.

01:34:31 nubbins`: you're a character

01:34:48 mircea_popescu: people can want in one hand and piss in the other, see which fills first.

01:34:58 nubbins`: the want hand fills first here

01:35:04 mircea_popescu: da fuck did "want" become a legitimate argument anyway

01:35:06 benkay: well you're filthy communists.

01:35:11 nubbins`: liberal utopia

01:35:21 nubbins`: i can get my doctor to prescribe me weed

01:35:25 nubbins`: and the government will sell it to me

01:35:32 dub: you have to pay?

01:35:36 nubbins`: $5/gram

01:35:37 dub: thats a bit harsh

01:35:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, fwiw, in my experience works splendidly. whether you're working to destupidify women, or to build an exchange, or anything else.

01:35:41 nubbins`: yeah i know dude

01:35:43 mircea_popescu: simple rules, draconic enforcement, sayonara.

01:35:52 dub: except its never worked before

01:36:01 dub: and probably never will

01:36:03 mircea_popescu: dub far as i've seen it;s the only thing it ever worked.

01:36:13 mircea_popescu: course people who dislike shit working tend to scream it doesn't work, but hey.

01:36:33 mircea_popescu: do the gedankenexperiment, as asciilifeform calls them :

01:36:58 mircea_popescu: you go to class of schoolkids, lay down the rules for what they have to do till next class. whoever didn't do it is beaten till they pass out.

01:37:05 mircea_popescu: kids will scream as to how "this doesn;'tg work"

01:37:16 mircea_popescu: six months later ALL the kids in that class do ALL the homework ALL of the time flawlessly.

01:37:30 nubbins`: and ALL grow up to be normal adults and not psychopaths

01:37:32 mircea_popescu: and suddenly lolcatting isn't quite as appealing either,

01:37:36 dub: maybe at the cost of most of thier utility

01:37:40 nubbins`: here's another gedanken

01:37:42 mircea_popescu: nubbins` definitely more normal than the current crop.

01:37:52 mircea_popescu: dub kids have 0 utility as it is now you kidding me ?

01:38:08 nubbins`: alice takes oxycodone after her back surgery, bob takes oxycodone for the lels. alice and bob go to the hospital complaining of a bum knee.

01:38:17 nubbins`: which one gets healthcare and which one gets turned away / shot?

01:38:32 dub: as should be obvious, the better way to acheive your subservience is to addict you to drugs and tv

01:38:36 mircea_popescu: alice wants oxycodone for her surgery she stays in the hospital.

01:38:40 mircea_popescu: problem solved. next ?

01:38:53 nubbins`: hospital stays are a burden on the taxpayer, problem unsolved

01:39:01 mircea_popescu: dub my point being that you don't want subservience, you want competence.

01:39:02 dub: yeah wtf

01:39:09 dub: a bed for everyone that needs pain relief?

01:39:11 mircea_popescu: nubbins` not quite.

01:39:12 nubbins`: ^

01:39:23 mircea_popescu: dub who needs "pain relief" when they're stuck in hospital ?

01:39:29 nubbins`: ^ humans?

01:39:32 mircea_popescu: people need pain relief if you let them outside.

01:39:35 mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised.

01:39:48 nubbins`: yeah dude, shit doesn't hurt in the hospital

01:39:51 dub: havent you seen the matrix?

01:39:57 mircea_popescu: suddenly it's a well this oxycodone is kinda cool, but im stuck here for a day cause of it.

01:40:10 mircea_popescu: i guess i maybe don't really need it anymore.

01:40:10 nubbins`: okay, so you have a herniated disc

01:40:15 mircea_popescu: so you do.

01:40:30 nubbins`: your choices are stay in the hospital for 6 months or deal with unbearable chronic pain for 6 months

01:40:33 mircea_popescu: yup.

01:40:38 nubbins`: sounds like it'd work in practice

01:40:45 mircea_popescu: what, you think herniated disks were invented AFTER oxycodone ?

01:40:46 nubbins`: wait, no it doesn't

01:40:53 mircea_popescu: tell you what, it's only unbearable cause you're used to being a sissy

01:40:56 mircea_popescu: pain is eminently bearable.

01:41:34 nubbins`: well if we're being obstinate, suppose alice has a job that she can't perform when experiencing high levels of pain

01:41:36 mircea_popescu: of all things it's actually the most bearable. as people die of thirst in a coupla days and of hunger in a coupla months

01:41:41 nubbins`: or do we just shoot everyone who hurts their back?

01:41:42 mircea_popescu: but you can be in pain indefinitely and it won't kill you.

01:41:52 dub: spoken like someone that doesnt know pain

01:41:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins` tough for her, she no longer has that job.

01:42:09 mircea_popescu: dub of everyone here i'm the only guy that gets his teeth fixed w/o anesthesia i'd wager.

01:42:12 nubbins`: okay, so what does she do now?

01:42:17 mircea_popescu: also probably the only guy to have ever been shot etc.

01:42:18 nubbins`: jobless and in pain

01:42:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` tough for her.

01:42:29 mircea_popescu: next time she'll be more careful.

01:42:32 nubbins`: no, tough for the hospital staff she shoots

01:42:37 mircea_popescu: she shoots my ass.

01:42:39 dub: pff minor league

01:42:47 nubbins`: if your ass is in the door, yes

01:43:10 mircea_popescu: you give alice way too much credit while simultaneously giving her way too little credit.

01:43:20 mircea_popescu: if she's cool enough to start shooting she's cool enough to take it on the chin and move on.

01:43:26 nubbins`: you use "tough" like it's an explanation more often than an intelligent person should

01:43:45 mircea_popescu: because im confronted with "but mommy i don't like X" way more often than any sane person should.

01:44:08 punkman: mircea_popescu: I skip the anesthesia at the dentist, hate having a numb face for 4 hours after

01:44:35 mircea_popescu: so good for you.

01:44:39 mircea_popescu: how unbearable is it ?

01:44:51 punkman: but it's hard to stay still for the bigger fillings and shit

01:45:15 nubbins`: anyway, as lovely as this little "kill everyone" scheme sounds

01:45:19 mircea_popescu: supposedly tooth pain is way up there on the scale.

01:45:21 mod6: i went without the stuff until i had 4 teeth drilled without it. that sucked.

01:45:35 nubbins`: tooth pain is a bad one

01:45:39 punkman: I definitely sweat a bit, not that unbearable

01:45:40 nubbins`: inner ear pain is tough as well

01:45:42 mod6: i must be getting soft

01:45:42 mircea_popescu: mod6 i'm not proposing some never anesthesia bs incidentally.

01:45:51 mircea_popescu: just illustrating the point that there's nothing unbearable about pain.

01:46:08 mircea_popescu: it may not be what you want to be doing, sure,

01:46:09 KRS-One: wut

01:46:09 nubbins`: so replace "unbearable" with "excruciating" or w/e

01:46:14 mircea_popescu: but then again that's not the criteria now is it.

01:46:16 nubbins`: you're getting caught up in semantics

01:46:21 KRS-One: pain sucks and i wont bare it

01:46:30 dub: replace unbearable with 'prevents you from being fully utilised'

01:46:35 mircea_popescu: eh bs.

01:46:37 nubbins`: so alice can't get pain meds without a costly hospital stay

01:46:38 punkman: chronic pain is different, it can really wear you down

01:46:41 dub: enough to blow your retarded argument away

01:46:44 mircea_popescu: this utilitartian angle is not going anywhere dub

01:46:45 nubbins`: alice decides to self-medicate with booze

01:46:50 nubbins`: PROBLEM SOLVED

01:47:00 benkay: no nubbins` this 'kill everyone' is the actual plan. all of the above are just implementation details.

01:47:06 nubbins`: wait, shit, now we've got drunkards everywhere driving cars and beating their kids

01:47:07 mircea_popescu: nubbins` if that;s what she does good for her.

01:47:07 KRS-One: nubbins` I think pot is the best pain killer that isnt made in a lab

01:47:20 nubbins`: KRS-One, but drugs tough etc

01:47:29 mircea_popescu: nobody said she can drive a car drunk any more than she can have oxycodone outpatient style.

01:47:33 nubbins`: you should not be allowed to smoke pot unless you are in a hospital

01:47:40 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: who's to stop her?

01:47:45 mircea_popescu: you can smoke pot whenever you want, who cares.

01:47:58 KRS-One: nubbins` alcohol is way worse than pot..you can't overdose on da ganja either

01:47:59 nubbins`: so pot is fine but oxycodone isn't?

01:48:12 KRS-One: oxycodone is great anytime of the day or week.

01:48:16 mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty much heroin is the only entry on my list of "drugs"

01:48:24 nubbins`: innnnteresting

01:48:26 mircea_popescu: your list may vary at your leisure, the argument is list independent

01:48:30 nubbins`: sounds like there's not much drug use in your town

01:48:43 mircea_popescu: kids and their pills mostly.

01:48:49 dub: no, they kill and eat drug users

01:49:05 mircea_popescu: dub no, they just don't have this "omg what do you want" culture yet

01:49:08 dub: clearly a winning strategy

01:49:11 mircea_popescu: so the society is reasonably functional still.

01:49:15 mircea_popescu: yeah, actually it is, dubsy.

01:49:18 nubbins`: heroin isn't even really a thing here

01:49:25 nubbins`: cocaine and pills

01:49:26 nubbins`: mostly

01:49:30 mircea_popescu: think of utility in the following terms : people making on average 300 bucks here when rents are on average 350 bucks

01:49:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3278 @ 0.00019987 = 0.6552 BTC [+] {2}

01:49:41 dub: it probably is a thing there

01:49:43 mircea_popescu: go outside the little park in their projects to FIX THE BENCHES

01:49:45 mircea_popescu: with their own tools.

01:49:51 nubbins`: i do have to lel when i see people jam most of an 8ball up their nose at the bar and then ask if the coffee is "fair trade" at the shop the next day

01:49:58 nubbins`: was that fair trade coke you jammed up your face?

01:50:04 mircea_popescu: people making 900 a month in food stamps and free housing over there hang around the cortners glaring at passer bys

01:50:14 mircea_popescu: so no, don't be telling me about how shit functions and doesn't.

01:50:23 dub: heroin is very clique'y

01:50:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12927 @ 0.00019999 = 2.5853 BTC [+] {8}

01:51:10 nubbins`: sure, but you take away that 900 and food stamps and housing tomorrow and the city would burn to the ground in a week

01:51:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, re the list : to be an addictive substance something needs to actually give addiction

01:51:22 nubbins`: much harder to take away once given

01:51:26 mircea_popescu: the definition of which is "sudden discontinuation = death"

01:51:34 nubbins`: so, booze fits the definition

01:51:36 mircea_popescu: not that many substances presented as addictive actually are in any sense.

01:51:41 mircea_popescu: nah.

01:51:47 nubbins`: are you new? alcohol withdrawal kills

01:51:50 dub: can you name one?

01:51:52 mircea_popescu: in lalaland.

01:51:57 mircea_popescu: dub heroin. some synthetics.

01:52:08 dub: um

01:52:19 nubbins`: in realworld land too

01:52:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know = does not mean "in one stray case out of 5498740958609"

01:52:34 mircea_popescu: = means =

01:52:45 nubbins`: ah, so kills 100% of time, ok

01:52:49 nubbins`: i don't think heroin fits that either

01:52:52 nubbins`: we're back to square one

01:52:58 mircea_popescu: try it sometime.

01:53:03 nubbins`: heroin? nah

01:53:10 nubbins`: i don't like needles

01:53:13 mircea_popescu: so then wtf basis do you "Think" on

01:53:24 nubbins`: try asking that a different way

01:53:27 dub: heroin is not instaaddict stuff

01:53:36 mircea_popescu: nobody said insta at any point.

01:53:41 dub: nor do you die when you kick

01:53:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00085201 = 15.3788 BTC [+] {2}

01:53:55 mircea_popescu: cold turkey ? yeah, you die.

01:54:02 nubbins`: 100% of the time

01:54:12 nubbins`: because =

01:54:18 herbijudlestoids: jebus fuck arguing over technicalities.

01:54:23 herbijudlestoids: heroin withdrawal kills you

01:54:26 nubbins`: herb, it's what we do

01:54:27 herbijudlestoids: clonazepam withdrawal kills you

01:54:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins` in the sense we rounded 1 out of 5498740958609 to 0 we'll round out of 5498740958608 out of out of 5498740958609 to 1.0

01:54:32 benkay: welcome to assets, herbijudlestoids

01:54:35 herbijudlestoids: alcohol withdrawal does not kill you

01:54:38 moiety: sorry delayed response but what do you think about daily/weekly dispensing then nubbins`?

01:54:49 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no no we must have fucktarded 5yo arguments about how the peas aren't really peas

01:54:54 nubbins`: dispensing drugs or works?

01:54:55 mircea_popescu: and wantboy shouldn't have to eat the peas

01:55:03 moiety: drugs sorry

01:55:22 nubbins`: moiety: beats me, does it work in practice?

01:55:41 moiety: depends on the aim. we used it to stop people overdosing

01:55:46 nubbins`: herbijudlestoids: and everyone should eat peas or they're stupid

01:55:52 herbijudlestoids: yall stupid.

01:55:57 mircea_popescu: no. everyone should eat peas or they're beaten.

01:55:57 dub: in theory the programs are to ween you off, not maintain

01:56:13 nubbins`: you kid, but that's your answer to most problems

01:56:18 nubbins`: whether the shoe fits or not

01:56:18 mircea_popescu: it is, yes.

01:56:24 herbijudlestoids: dub, nubbins` yall junkies? know junkies? watched your mates die?

01:56:26 mircea_popescu: violence is way underrated as a personal development tool.

01:56:26 herbijudlestoids: if not

01:56:27 herbijudlestoids: STFU

01:56:36 nubbins`: after all, if the shoe doesn't fit, it's because of libtards encouraging kids to grow their feet

01:56:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` except the shoe fits fine and the princess is having a hysteria session

01:57:07 mircea_popescu: cause she's gots to be speshul and couldn't possibly be ever fit by a shoe

01:57:09 nubbins`: except abstract analogies that don't make sense

01:57:09 mircea_popescu: god forbid.

01:57:12 nubbins`: cause no argument

01:57:15 mircea_popescu: no shoe understands her dragon feet.

01:57:15 nubbins`: satan allow

01:57:49 mircea_popescu: this has been one of the best arguments with no actual common ground in which people talking about entirely different things that so far ever happened on assets

01:58:05 bones6: Autism only arrived after we stopped beating our children. QED

01:58:11 mircea_popescu: ^

01:58:12 nubbins`: no kidding, everybody's blood is running hot now

01:58:24 nubbins`: herb even told us to shut the fuck up because he's been there man and we haven't

01:58:28 mircea_popescu: you know what autism figures were in romania at the time the aids figures were 0.0x%

01:58:36 nubbins`: 100%?

01:58:38 mircea_popescu: on the grounds of all the aids kids being starved to death in specialised institutions ?

01:58:47 mircea_popescu: about 0.0% cause everyone was affraid of reporting it.

01:59:05 nubbins`: ah, cool. how did that work out for romania?

01:59:12 mircea_popescu: also at the time romania ruled the gymnastics at the olympics

01:59:17 mircea_popescu: because 15 yo girls and beating.

01:59:20 nubbins`: oh. so pretty well, then

01:59:27 mircea_popescu: i can't complain :)

01:59:39 nubbins`: so this heavy-handed beating-or-else thing really worked out for you guys

01:59:54 nubbins`: there wasn't any social upheaval or anything in the meantime?

01:59:59 nubbins`: OH WAIT

02:00:14 mircea_popescu: hehehe

02:00:27 mircea_popescu: wait, you're going to tell me that the romanian revolution was over free access to drugs ?

02:00:42 mircea_popescu: here's a fun little tidbit : in 1991 they had no cop on the force that knew what pot smells like.

02:00:46 nubbins`: no, i'm going to tell you it was over I HAVE THE ANSWERS STFU OR BANG

02:00:47 mircea_popescu: think about that for a moment.

02:01:16 dub: herbijudlestoids: have been, indeed, no.

02:01:39 mircea_popescu: dub what'd you junkie on ?

02:01:45 dub: meth

02:01:50 mircea_popescu: what srsly ?!

02:01:51 nubbins`: yucky

02:01:51 mircea_popescu: why...

02:02:15 nubbins`: because people do things

02:02:15 mircea_popescu: "well one day i noticed my house was kinda dirty..."

02:02:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` let me guess, they experiment right ?

02:03:01 nubbins`: sure, yeah. sometimes with drugs, sometimes with things that end up being bitcoin

02:03:09 nubbins`: experimenting is what people do

02:03:16 nubbins`: like your friend who milked a squirrel

02:03:19 mircea_popescu: bang

02:03:26 mircea_popescu: ;;bang

02:03:26 gribble: Error: "bang" is not a valid command.

02:03:29 benkay: ;;lasers

02:03:30 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

02:03:30 nubbins`: ;;lasers

02:03:31 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

02:03:32 nubbins`: aw

02:03:33 mircea_popescu: nono

02:03:37 moiety: lolol

02:03:42 KRS-One: freakin lasers, maaan

02:03:44 mircea_popescu: ;;roulette

02:03:44 gribble: *click*

02:03:46 nubbins`: ;;sharks

02:03:46 gribble: Error: "sharks" is not a valid command.

02:03:51 mircea_popescu: ;;roulette

02:03:51 gribble: *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!

02:03:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00085209 = 5.1125 BTC [+]

02:04:00 mircea_popescu: there we go.

02:04:00 nubbins`: gribs got real

02:04:08 moiety: lol i like gribble

02:04:16 KRS-One: ozbot is better

02:04:17 KRS-One: .bait

02:04:17 benkay: ;;gettrust moiety

02:04:18 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user moiety: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: never

02:04:18 mircea_popescu: ;;echo and gribble likes you

02:04:18 gribble: and gribble likes you

02:04:32 KRS-One: Ozbot?

02:04:36 mircea_popescu: moiety bitch, get in the wot.

02:04:49 nubbins`: so i'm thinking about the fact that the cops didn't know what pot smelled like

02:04:56 moiety: i dont ever plan on trading or anthing though

02:05:02 nubbins`: and the conclusion i've reached is that everybody must have been pretty fucking uptight

02:05:06 KRS-One: ;;seen ozbot

02:05:06 gribble: ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours and 31 seconds ago: <ozbot> Gold medal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:05:11 KRS-One: fap fap fap

02:06:08 jurov: ;;slap KRS-One

02:06:42 nubbins`: heh.

02:06:46 nubbins`: not bad

02:06:51 mircea_popescu: moiety best be prepared.

02:07:05 benkay: ah hey i caught my first negrating, y'all

02:07:10 mircea_popescu: nubbins` everyone still is pretty uptight.

02:07:12 benkay: guess i'm a big boy now

02:07:15 nubbins`: ;;ratingsystem getrating benkay

02:07:15 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User benkay, rated since Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013. Cumulative rating 5, from 7 total ratings. Received ratings: 6 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay

02:07:23 herbijudlestoids: so when i left the house yesterday afternoon, the GH on coinminer.net pool for ATC was ~40. when i got home, ~100. today, ~200

02:07:27 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, maybe they should have a safe pot smoking site

02:07:29 mircea_popescu: but to not let the revolution issue hanging : there were arguably a few explanatory reasons

02:07:32 nubbins`: Insmoke or something

02:07:43 moiety: mircea_popescu: was just reading up, i'm all for anything to do with gpg

02:08:02 mircea_popescu: in the 70s they made contraception illegal. the births jumped then over a decade levelled off to the original values. the life of women turned into a nightmare tho. those kids... they pretty much WERE the revolution.

02:08:05 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: oh sure, i just figured since we were handwaving away complex issues with flippant, facile replies...

02:08:10 diametric: asciilifeform: i convinced johnny russell to accept bitcoin on ultimachine.com.

02:08:20 dub: was gonna mine some ATC but my asic blowed up

02:08:22 mircea_popescu: in the 80s ceausescu got pissed off at the us bankers, paid off all romania's debt. this resulted in horrible restraints on consume market.

02:08:31 dub: someone musta went bang on it

02:08:32 the20year: in romania?

02:08:40 mircea_popescu: people put up with it till the debt was paid, in 88. at that point no relaxation showed up and peeps were enraged

02:08:49 nubbins`: no doubt

02:08:53 mircea_popescu: finally, the language was deteriorating under the pressure of bureaucratic formalism.

02:08:58 mircea_popescu: this may be a cultural explanation.

02:09:01 mircea_popescu: that's about the set, really.

02:09:17 nubbins`: like we said, it's harder to change gears once you get going

02:09:40 nubbins`: be it dropping social welfare or easing restraints on the consumer market

02:09:48 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

02:10:03 nubbins`: hey, you saw it happen

02:10:18 nubbins`: now consider what would happen in canada if tomorrow welfare was 100% abolished

02:10:23 mircea_popescu: but you can't in any shape or form successfully argue that the current english cultural space anti-intellectualism, anti-voluntarism and deliberate depersonalisation has any sort of future.

02:10:28 nubbins`: the average canadian doesn't want a revolution

02:10:31 dub: its ok, romainia has heavy duty 6 puck soviet era ventilated clutch

02:10:41 nubbins`: no, i can't argle that

02:10:47 nubbins`: argue, either!

02:10:49 mircea_popescu: well that's where we'll have to settle.

02:11:02 mircea_popescu: i'll concede going around beating people isn't a winning strategy

02:11:21 nubbins`: i'll concede that i'd just as soon kill the pillheads in my neighbourhood

02:11:26 mircea_popescu: nor something that could ever be done. you couldn't pay me to do it.

02:12:00 mircea_popescu: you can't even fucking troll this dumbass chan ffs. half hour later people start hugging and conceding things

02:12:06 nubbins`: hah

02:12:13 mircea_popescu: it'

02:12:18 mircea_popescu: s like a fucking utopian society.

02:12:51 nubbins`: you were a few facile statements away from me asking if you were on the spectrum ;p

02:12:58 mircea_popescu: what spectrum ?

02:13:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25697 @ 0.00084956 = 21.8311 BTC [-] {2}

02:13:02 nubbins`: ;;ud on the spectrum

02:13:03 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=On%20the%20spectrum | Oct 19, 2013 ... On the spectrum. A phrase used to describe a person with social tics and/or awkwardness usually associated with autism or asperger's ...

02:13:10 mircea_popescu: haha

02:13:14 nubbins`: it's a phrase here :D

02:13:29 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i guess i gotta be on the spectrum

02:13:33 mircea_popescu: it is, after all, a spectrum.

02:13:36 nubbins`: nod

02:13:39 nubbins`: we all are, i'm sure

02:13:40 mircea_popescu: i'm the black or w/e

02:14:08 dub: you the whitest nigger I ever dun see

02:14:20 mircea_popescu: i'm not white

02:14:24 mircea_popescu: i'm just priviledged.

02:14:28 nubbins`: anyway, full circle, synesthesia has been reported in both lsd users and autistics

02:14:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` and artists.

02:15:07 nubbins`: most of the artists fall into one camp or the other

02:15:13 dub: is that the audio hallucanatoin jonx?

02:15:19 mircea_popescu: no they don't stop pushing your druggie agenda.

02:15:31 nubbins`: JOIN US

02:15:36 mircea_popescu: dub it's when a chick thinks she can smell your cock because it tastes so good.

02:15:38 nubbins`: MUSIC SOUNDS BETTER

02:15:52 mircea_popescu: or no wait.

02:15:52 nubbins`: dub, shit like tasting colors or hearing smells

02:16:05 mircea_popescu: it's when a chick thinks she can smell your cock because it hits her in the back of the throat so nice

02:16:11 nubbins`: if chicks can smell your cock you've got a problem

02:16:15 dub: I read about a deaf woman who released an album of her audible hallucinations oslt

02:16:18 mircea_popescu: nubbins` "thinks"

02:16:23 nubbins`: aha!

02:16:30 nubbins`: subtle

02:16:33 dub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruef7aYCEbc

02:16:34 ozbot: Smell Yo Dick (Official Video) - YouTube

02:16:38 dub: ^related

02:16:44 duduqa: hi there

02:16:44 nubbins`: dub, auditory hallucinations are strange things indeed

02:16:47 mircea_popescu: besides, cocks actually do smell i'm told.

02:16:49 mircea_popescu: duduqa ello

02:17:04 nubbins`: i once smashed a radio that wasn't turned on

02:17:14 nubbins`: "...oh"

02:17:16 duduqa: mircea_popescu: hello!

02:17:17 mircea_popescu: clearly reefer has no ill effects

02:17:19 benkay: i once worked for a gentleman who when voices were raised above a certain threshold in meetings would visibly lose his ability to read his monitor

02:17:32 nubbins`: if reefer caused hallucinations i'd smoke it more often

02:17:39 mircea_popescu: benkay so like a dog ? other dogs barking, can't focus nomoar.

02:18:01 moiety: auditory hallucinations are much more common than visual hallucinations. more uncommon than both, are tactile ones

02:18:05 mircea_popescu: dub not bad actually. who's the chick ?

02:18:23 nubbins`: moiety: lies, i mistakenly think i've pissed myself maybe once every two weeks on average

02:18:33 benkay: he claimed a degree of constant synasthesia. was also pretty thoroughly autistic. the story was that he couldn't see his screen when voices got loud.

02:18:37 mircea_popescu: that's just bad childhood memories nubbins`

02:18:39 benkay: so yes, distracted.

02:18:47 dub: the deaf one or the smell yo dick one? (i have nfi eather way)

02:18:51 mircea_popescu: the latter.

02:20:16 moiety: is this after a massive amount of alcohol nubbins`?

02:20:34 nubbins`: usually if i've smoked a lot of pot, not always

02:20:39 nubbins`: i don't drink much

02:21:04 moiety: thats not halluincatory in a true sense though

02:21:12 nubbins`: fun story, before the early 2000s there was no recreational drug that was active at the same dosage range as lsd. you bought some paper, it was the real thing or nothing at all

02:21:13 moiety: its more a perception thing

02:21:21 nubbins`: moiety, nod

02:21:27 mircea_popescu: indeed.

02:21:35 nubbins`: then this class of drugs called NBOMe was discovered

02:21:46 nubbins`: which were active at very small doses, enough to fit on a blotter

02:21:49 mircea_popescu: aka "National Board of Osteopathic Medical Examiners"

02:21:56 nubbins`: all of a sudden lsd started tasting oddly bitter

02:22:01 nubbins`: and the trips were strange

02:22:06 moiety: what exactly are microdots then?

02:22:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC

02:22:19 nubbins`: teeny tiny caplets, i think

02:22:30 nubbins`: still lsd, just in a different vessel

02:22:32 KRS-One: someone told me he microdosed LSD for a while and wound up speaking perfect german almost as if you can learn great things by separation

02:22:32 moiety: like super string lsd i was under the impression?

02:22:36 moiety: strong*

02:22:39 moiety: kk

02:23:04 nubbins`: KRS-One, i've had legitimate epiphanies on lsd

02:23:07 benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE5YOVCahcQ

02:23:08 ozbot: Tosh.0 'Smell Yo Dick' Official Music Video - YouTube

02:23:12 nubbins`: ANYWAY

02:23:22 nubbins`: this bitter not-acid was the only thing you could buy for a long time

02:23:31 moiety: KRS-One: there's a guy in hospital here on a permanent trip, since he was 21 or so... a bad trip. poor guy is tortured and has no insight at all

02:23:49 nubbins`: it was only when the derpy pirate roberts opened his Ye Old Shoppe that the real deal once again became available

02:24:05 moiety: people have woken from comas speaking different languages

02:24:53 duduqa: moiety: wat?

02:25:30 moiety: people have been known to wake from coma being able to speak languages they weren;t able to before.

02:25:45 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: you have a very weird perception of the drug market

02:25:54 moiety: i'd assume these were people in coma in countries other than their native language

02:26:01 herbijudlestoids: 5-MeO-AMT was common on blotter before the discovery of 25i-NBOMe

02:26:02 nubbins`: herbijudlestoids: i live on an island, what do you expect?

02:26:16 herbijudlestoids: and the resurgence in LSD has *nothing* to do with the silk road.

02:26:22 herbijudlestoids: any relationship you noticed is coincidental

02:26:37 nubbins`: hm, i didn't realize AMT was orally active. has admittedly been a while

02:26:41 benkay: there's real lsd going around again?

02:26:44 benkay: i gave up on finding any.

02:26:53 benkay: i actually gave up on ever trying real lsd.

02:26:54 nubbins`: benkay: there always was, just didn't make it quite as far around

02:27:23 nubbins`: after those two guys in the missile silo got busted, i thought i'd never see it again

02:27:40 benkay: i suppose i coulda found some at burning man but its kinda impolite to walk up to strangers saying "hi i've never actually found real acid and i'm hoping to find some this week can you introduce me to someone?"

02:27:43 mircea_popescu: "25I-NBOMe has been implicated in multiple deaths in Australia. In March 2012, a man in Australia died from injuries sustained by running into trees and power poles while intoxicated by 25I-NBOMe."

02:27:47 mircea_popescu: derp. anyone got the vid ?

02:27:57 nubbins`: NBOMe is no fun

02:28:18 mircea_popescu: A Sydney teenager jumped to his death on June 5, 2013. He reportedly jumped off a balcony thinking he could fly.

02:28:22 mircea_popescu: well.... you can do anything.

02:28:45 nubbins`: i dunno about this whole "thinking he could fly" shit

02:28:57 benkay: friends tossed him over. told a story.

02:29:02 nubbins`: ^

02:29:49 nubbins`: i've been pretty fucking high in my time, never thought i could fly

02:30:26 nubbins`: that's not even sensible

02:30:33 mircea_popescu: i think i can fly with regularity

02:30:39 mircea_popescu: usually happens right after boarding.

02:31:13 nubbins`: and eating lots of bran

02:31:42 nubbins`: anyone? no?

02:32:54 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: i realistically doubt you could objectively identify a single dose of 25I-NBOMe from LSD

02:33:05 herbijudlestoids: its only at 2 dose or above you can start to notice the difference

02:33:08 dub: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura is fairly famous trip for mkaing peopel think they can fly

02:33:09 ozbot: Datura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

02:33:16 nubbins`: herbijudlestoids: you can tell by the taste. NBOMe is intensely bitter.

02:33:26 nubbins`: you can tell from a half-hit

02:33:30 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: whats that got to do with "fun"

02:33:41 nubbins`: oh, we're talking experience?

02:33:43 herbijudlestoids: dub: datura is a plant. are you referring to the tropane alkaloids contained within?

02:33:51 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know not all peope can taste all bitters

02:33:52 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: you said its not fun. i said you wouldnt know if i fed it to you

02:33:57 mircea_popescu: of which there are at least a few hundred

02:33:58 nubbins`: NBOME is much less visual, and is punctuated by these sporadic moments of clarity

02:34:05 herbijudlestoids: lel

02:34:14 nubbins`: like you're at the bar having a good time

02:34:29 herbijudlestoids: no offense nubbins` but your subjective analysis of what NBOMe "is", doesnt count for anything

02:34:30 nubbins`: all of a sudden "why the fuck do i feel so sketchy? why are we all moving our bodies like this?"

02:35:00 nubbins`: no offense yourself, but just because you can't tell two completely different drugs apart doesn't mean i can't

02:35:09 dub: herbijudlestoids: I suppose your anaylsis of a what a 'dose' is is sound though

02:35:27 herbijudlestoids: dub: i work it out on approximate basis from drug seizures, so yea

02:35:38 herbijudlestoids: used to be easier when the DEA had their microgram report

02:35:43 mircea_popescu: he;s got a numeric method :D

02:35:46 nubbins`: HEH.

02:36:12 nubbins`: the other point about silk road is that there were this group of guys called "the avengers" who would buy LSD from new vendors and get it tested in a lab for strength

02:36:22 nubbins`: and publish the results

02:36:40 mircea_popescu: so how many sample results did they ever publish ?

02:36:44 nubbins`: dozens

02:36:52 mircea_popescu: over a few years ?

02:36:57 mircea_popescu: dude that place sucked srsly.

02:37:09 herbijudlestoids: http://www.justice.gov/dea/pr/micrograms.shtml

02:37:10 nubbins`: there weren't that many different lsd vendors

02:37:10 ozbot: DEA / Micrograms

02:37:12 mircea_popescu: but anyway, props to them, nice going.

02:37:13 herbijudlestoids: go here for real data

02:37:16 mircea_popescu: where'd they measure it ?

02:37:18 dub: lol

02:37:18 nubbins`: maybe four or five

02:37:25 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, that's what i always wondered

02:37:28 dub: internet experts

02:37:31 mircea_popescu: they never said ?!

02:37:32 nubbins`: not the sort of thing you can just bring somewhere

02:37:36 mircea_popescu: yes, it is.

02:37:39 nubbins`: they had access to some sort of lab

02:37:47 nubbins`: heh.

02:37:51 mircea_popescu: wtf, they never said where they measure and you trusted the results /?!

02:37:55 nubbins`: i bring LSD to the uni, i'll expect a knock on my door

02:37:59 mircea_popescu: how do you know it wasn't just sr sponsored bs ?

02:37:59 herbijudlestoids: errr nubbins` yes it is

02:38:03 benkay: oh man i used to read microgram bulletin religiously

02:38:04 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: errr no...

02:38:10 nubbins`: dude i don't fucking know, find the thread yourself! it's all there on the forums

02:38:19 mircea_popescu: im too lazy

02:38:22 herbijudlestoids: its like $80 to get any sample tested by HPLC

02:38:22 nubbins`: me too

02:38:39 herbijudlestoids: guess what, until its been HPLCd, you can claim ignorance as to the substance

02:38:43 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids would you trust the reported results of anon third parties that won't share where they measure ?

02:38:48 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: no.

02:38:50 nubbins`: and they'll tell you how many micrograms of lsd are in your tab?

02:38:52 mircea_popescu: makes 2.

02:39:09 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: its an approximation, but yes.

02:39:15 mircea_popescu: nubbins` most labs in the civilised world will test a sample.

02:39:22 nubbins`: well i guess that's how the avengers did it then, isn't it?

02:39:29 nubbins`: everything is a fight!

02:39:33 mircea_popescu: if they actually did anything.

02:39:37 herbijudlestoids: you can just say youre a concerned mother who found something in their childs schoolbag and want to test it

02:39:42 dub: nubbins`: no o it isnt, fuck you

02:39:43 herbijudlestoids: i know, because i have

02:39:53 mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you claimed to be a woman ?

02:39:56 mircea_popescu: with whig or sans whig ?

02:40:00 herbijudlestoids: nubbins`: its not a fight until you claim something that is obviously not a fact (for people who know) as a fact

02:40:16 herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: sans wig, over mail :)

02:40:17 dub: stand back guys he has dones this before

02:40:30 mircea_popescu: so mail fraud.

02:40:31 nubbins`: dub, herb is apparently a wizard

02:40:37 herbijudlestoids: iv listened to you guys spouting all kinds of dumb shit today

02:40:45 nubbins`: poor guy

02:40:48 nubbins`: want a back rub?

02:41:03 herbijudlestoids: id prefer you just verified things before spoutingthem as fact

02:41:13 nubbins`: i'd prefer if you fucked off

02:41:18 nubbins`: guess we're both not getting what we want

02:41:24 herbijudlestoids: k, enjoy your ignorance

02:41:35 nubbins`: what a tool

02:41:48 mircea_popescu: i can't believe someone took that seriously.

02:42:10 dub: this guy was taking shrapnel in khe sanh when you were crapping inyour hands and rubbing it in your face

02:42:45 dub: aww he raged

02:42:53 nubbins`: he was taking shrapnel last week?

02:42:56 nubbins`: no wonder he's so mad

02:43:01 mircea_popescu: nubbins` seriously tho, it's way more likely the avenger troop was just some vendor/ the sr itself doing pr.

02:43:08 dub: I thought we talked about bath salts

02:43:13 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: could be. they did out some frauds tho

02:43:20 mircea_popescu: did the frauds confess ?

02:43:25 nubbins`: they vanished

02:43:33 mircea_popescu: sr would be in a position to see complaints.

02:43:50 nubbins`: well, the review system worked pretty well too

02:43:55 nubbins`: "lsd was bunk, do not buy"

02:44:14 nubbins`: or "nice mild effects" left as a review for 5-MeO-DMT

02:44:53 moiety: ;;gpg eregister moiety 6DF881D6696B6111

02:44:55 gribble: Request successful for user moiety, hostmask moiety!~smuxi@unaffiliated/moiety. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/6DF881D6696B6111

02:45:29 nubbins`: there's actually very few lsd manufacturers left, both due to risk and availability of precursors

02:45:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00085157 = 13.4548 BTC [+]

02:45:35 mircea_popescu: moiety hey, nice.

02:45:48 nubbins`: generally your end product is coming from a handful of sources

02:46:02 nubbins`: a few vendors actually sold pure crystal

02:46:09 nubbins`: that was pretty rare tho

02:48:15 nubbins`: "By the time Silk Road shut down, The Avengers had reviewed 60 vendors, rating them on factors like packaging quality, shipping time, and price."

02:48:42 nubbins`: afaik the forums are gone forever, and with them, all those reviews

02:48:44 mircea_popescu: maybe it was some kid with a night shift at a lab or something.

02:48:58 nubbins`: could be. was a nice service

02:49:03 mircea_popescu: tho, you familiar with the recent mass scandal are you ?

02:49:12 nubbins`: don't think so

02:49:22 mircea_popescu: forensic chemist was discovered to have lied on thousands of reports

02:49:28 mircea_popescu: they ended up having to review ~10k cases

02:49:34 nubbins`: aha! yipes.

02:50:24 nubbins`: http://c.o0bc.com/rf/image_609w/Boston/2011-2020/2012/09/29/Boston.com/Metro/Images/State%20Police%20Lab%20Shutdown.JPEG-0be0e.jpg

02:50:42 nubbins`: she obviously didn't spend all her extra free time buying clothes

02:50:46 benkay: great way to get out of us jury duty: "i don't accept p-values greater than 0.001, and also I don't trust forensic 'scientists'"

02:51:03 mircea_popescu: you won't get excused.

02:51:10 benkay: oh but i did

02:51:19 nubbins`: heh.

02:51:23 mircea_popescu: what srsly ?!

02:51:26 benkay: mhm

02:51:30 mircea_popescu: you found a judge that knew what p is ?

02:51:33 benkay: effectively "I will break this jury"

02:51:33 nubbins`: i was an alternate juror once, didn't quite make the cut

02:51:34 mircea_popescu: where the fuck.

02:51:37 benkay: nope. voir dire.

02:51:41 benkay: voire dire?

02:51:53 nubbins`: voir

02:52:09 benkay: the preselection where the lawyers kick everyone out who has an inkling of intelligence.

02:52:17 nubbins`: yeah

02:52:20 nubbins`: i made it past that point

02:52:20 mircea_popescu: well then you got kicked not excused

02:52:27 mircea_popescu: that i made no representation of.

02:52:31 nubbins`: it was some domestic abuse trial, most of the female jurors got the boot

02:52:39 nubbins`: i'm a large angry man, i got to stay

02:52:39 benkay: ya well see above "great way to get out of"

02:52:59 mircea_popescu: that i saw.

02:53:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how are you large

02:53:31 dub: I managed to do somethign to get unpicked at the benkay stage

02:53:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00546087 = 0.3167 BTC [+] {3}

02:53:48 dub: quite surprised to have been summoned tbh

02:53:51 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: 188cm, 100kg!

02:54:02 nubbins`: i'm not medium

02:54:21 mircea_popescu: o okay.

02:54:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00546 = 0.1529 BTC [-]

02:54:48 mircea_popescu: i never got jurydutied, but i was once in the team kicking you ppl off

02:55:29 diametric: in maryland atheists aren't allowed to serve on juries.

02:55:30 mircea_popescu: not sure how well known this is, but esp in the larger trials the jury selection team of a well funded defender may include > 100 people

02:55:33 dub: I was easy

02:55:37 nubbins`: diametric WHAT

02:55:39 diametric: i mean i guess if i wanted to serve it would be easy to fight

02:55:39 nubbins`: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

02:55:43 dub: 'you have how many convictions?'

02:55:50 nubbins`: WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN

02:56:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins` won't swear on the bible

02:56:09 dub: it means don't go to america

02:56:11 dub: ever.

02:56:18 nubbins`: you're not given the option to take a "solemn oath"?

02:56:26 dub: best case, nuke it from orbit

02:56:27 mircea_popescu: dub just accept gizas already in your heart dubsy

02:56:50 moiety: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c9f70550bfb1f08e79daa780040970b356f24d938d2411e7d4a9b059

02:56:51 gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user moiety with key 6DF881D6696B6111

02:56:52 diametric: nubbins`: Article 36 of the Maryland Declaration of Rights says I have to believe in God: "nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God, and that under His dispensation such person will be held morally accountable for his acts, and be rewarded or punished therefore either in this world

02:56:52 diametric: or in the world to come.""

02:57:11 nubbins`: when we dragged our dirtbag ex-tenants to a hearing, the only ones who lied through their teeth were the ones who swore on a bible rather than doing an affirmation

02:57:19 moiety: \o/ think that's me on WoT mircea_popescu!

02:57:25 mircea_popescu: wd wd!

02:57:43 mircea_popescu: smart girl.

02:57:49 nubbins`: diametric: to me, that says something other than what you said.

02:58:03 mircea_popescu: http://static.tumblr.com/af06dd0807d256dc1dec8abe12cd8f1b/oghd6vg/FBSmgqgxn/tumblr_static_chocolate_chip_cookies.jpeg

02:58:05 mircea_popescu: there's a cookie.

02:58:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` how ?!

02:58:20 nubbins`: diametric: that seems to say that you can't be deemed incompetent for believing in god

02:58:27 mircea_popescu: you misread.

02:58:45 nubbins`: nor shall any person be deemed incompetent on account of religious belief, provided he believes in god

02:58:47 dub: you missed the provided

02:58:47 diametric: no it clearly states I'm only competent to serve so long as I believe in God

02:58:49 mircea_popescu: won't be deemed incompetent for his religious belief if and only if he believes in god

02:58:54 moiety: woah thats a way better cookie than all these sites usually try to give me.....

02:59:03 nubbins`: that's saying you can call a pastafarian retarded

02:59:10 nubbins`: not that you have to swear on a bible.

02:59:16 mircea_popescu: a pastafarian is retarded

02:59:23 diametric: Article 37 also prevents me from holding office

02:59:28 diametric: ""That no religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God;""

02:59:33 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: nah, they're just having a lel

02:59:36 mircea_popescu: diametric did you want to hold mariland office ?!

02:59:41 diametric: mircea_popescu: fuck no

02:59:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00085048 = 36.9959 BTC [-] {3}

02:59:50 mircea_popescu: i was thinking... wait, THAT is what prevents you ?

02:59:56 diametric: haha

02:59:58 mircea_popescu: lol

03:00:09 the20year: hmm , i imagine falling during snowboarding and then breaking your helmet isn't good

03:00:43 nubbins`: the20year: saw that

03:00:46 dub: no automagically bad

03:00:47 nubbins`: that was a HARD fall

03:00:53 nubbins`: backwards downhill

03:01:04 the20year: Yeah

03:01:24 nubbins`: the entire womens event was much less exciting than the mens

03:01:32 the20year: I wonder if they show the same stuff at the same time in canada, i know here it's all recorded

03:01:33 nubbins`: biggest rotation was a 1080!

03:01:37 the20year: Always is

03:01:45 nubbins`: i watched it hours ago on the internet

03:01:55 the20year: Remember , in china one woman got a comparable score to a man and they all said it was a conspiracy

03:02:03 the20year: I'd looove to see them do mixed gender sports

03:02:14 nubbins`: nah, would be no fun

03:02:32 the20year: Would prove a point to the sexists that women and men are differnet :D

03:03:06 nubbins`: i don't know if even the hardcore feminists believe that women and men perform equally well in sports

03:03:15 the20year: i've talked to quite a few who seem to think that

03:03:22 mircea_popescu: the20year women and men aren't different iyo ?!

03:03:26 nubbins`: did you tell them that testosterone builds muscle?

03:03:35 the20year: They refused it

03:03:38 nubbins`: i uh

03:03:42 nubbins`: well then

03:03:48 the20year: Look at how many women want women in combat operations in the US

03:03:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5919 @ 0.00085209 = 5.0435 BTC [+]

03:03:59 mircea_popescu: again with what people want.

03:04:00 the20year: The marines refuse to change their testing methods, army was sued to the point of compliance

03:04:10 nubbins`: sure, but the US military is spread thinner than the butter on bilbo's bread

03:04:22 nubbins`: they almost have to take women

03:04:25 nubbins`: or else start a draft

03:04:29 mircea_popescu: lol ayup.

03:04:34 the20year: Not really, as it stands now they can scale enlistment if they play with iring bonuses

03:04:37 the20year: *hiring

03:04:39 mircea_popescu: "why turn down pretty much the only people who still WANT to be in"

03:04:53 mircea_popescu: yeah, budget just got cut for the nth consecutive year.

03:05:05 nubbins`: "joining the military gave me the opportunities to get raped and belittled that i've been missing my entire life"

03:05:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` nine in ten gangbang participants are there voluntarily.

03:05:37 dub: don't discount the free mobility scooter you get a the end

03:05:45 mircea_popescu: it's free now ?!

03:05:48 nubbins`: "free"

03:05:52 mircea_popescu: aok

03:05:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 41 @ 0.0055 = 0.2255 BTC

03:06:00 nubbins`: with the purchase of a one-way flight to kandahar

03:07:23 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

03:07:26 gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 52 seconds

03:07:35 nubbins`: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/14/4828448/silk-road-lsd-avengers-drug-inspectors

03:07:40 nubbins`: there's your answer

03:07:47 nubbins`: http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3387971/reagent_560.jpg

03:08:14 nubbins`: lel, the reagent pouch says "contains strong acid"

03:08:15 the20year: Gonna get some video Tuesday of some fantastic properties in central Ohio

03:08:24 nubbins`: there's a joke in there

03:09:30 benkay: "fantastic" "central ohio"

03:09:35 benkay: sounds like a good chuckle to me.

03:09:45 nubbins`: i meant the image i posted

03:09:50 benkay: i know ;)

03:09:50 nubbins`: but that too, i guess

03:09:50 the20year: it was kind of a joke

03:10:04 the20year: I've got 3 candidates i'm gonna go take a look at, highest one is priced at $34k

03:10:09 nubbins`: from what i understand about america

03:10:15 benkay: coming out of the btc you've raised?

03:10:22 nubbins`: you can name any place and people will tell you it sucks

03:10:38 nubbins`: "oh, the midwest? gross"

03:10:38 the20year: if any of them are good candidates, maybe

03:10:41 benkay: how much rentalstarter have you sold through your ipo, the20year?

03:10:46 nubbins`: "the south? jeez"

03:10:49 the20year: As of now a little shy of $100k in fiat

03:10:57 nubbins`: "virginias? ugh"

03:10:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00085508 = 28.6879 BTC [+] {2}

03:11:00 benkay: ;;calc 100000/700

03:11:01 gribble: 142.857142857

03:11:06 benkay: dang man

03:11:20 benkay: ponzi.io pulled in more than that in the fifteen minutes it was running

03:11:36 the20year: I was pretty surprised at how much $$$ they were pulling in

03:11:38 nubbins`: ;;google .io tld

03:11:39 gribble: .io - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.io; NIC.IO - The Indian Ocean .IO Domain Registry and Network ...: http://www.nic.io/; Register .IO Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix British Indian Ocean ...: https://iwantmyname.com/domains/io-domain-name-registration-for-british-indian-ocean-territory

03:11:43 nubbins`: interesting

03:12:39 nubbins`: ;;later tell truffles i wanted to play chess but you weren't here

03:12:39 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:12:43 nubbins`: ^ muahahaha

03:19:52 mircea_popescu: benkay he could have pulled in just as much if he bought his own stock the same way.

03:20:34 nubbins`: http://betanomics.asia/blog/store-and-send-bitcoin-directly-from-your-brain-using-braincontrol

03:20:38 mircea_popescu: !t h rent

03:20:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (4547 shares, 25.00850000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24033 shares, 132.18150000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24033 shares, 132.18150000 BTC)

03:20:46 mircea_popescu: 25 btc != 100k usd are they ?

03:20:55 mircea_popescu: o wait, it's been a week

03:21:06 ozbot: Betanomics.asia - Storing and Sending Bitcoins Directly from Your Brain using BrainControl.me

03:21:47 nubbins`: ^ almost sent some dust to try looking for the usual holes, realized i can't be bothered

03:23:20 copumpkin: selling 25 btc for $100k, any takers?

03:24:01 copumpkin: these are some high quality coins I'm offering

03:24:07 nubbins`: hong kong dollars, errrrr...?

03:24:14 copumpkin: nah, USD

03:24:22 nubbins`: gross, do not hold

03:24:35 benkay: ;;ticker --market

03:24:35 gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)

03:24:38 copumpkin: oh well, no high-quality coins for you then

03:24:46 benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg

03:24:47 gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 696.36, Best ask: 701.5, Bid-ask spread: 5.14000, Last trade: 700.81, 24 hour volume: 57173.56, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 688.31

03:24:52 dub: zimbabwe dollars

03:25:11 benkay: ;;calc 696.36*132.1815

03:25:11 gribble: 92045.90934

03:25:59 dub: so gox..

03:26:04 dub: end game or end game

03:26:12 copumpkin: benkay: there's also a market sell/buy command

03:26:27 the20year: I don't know what 25btc is over that time period, we're around 140btc

03:26:49 benkay: ;;market sell

03:26:49 gribble: (market sell [--usd] [--market <market>] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in USD.

03:26:59 benkay: ;;market sell 130

03:27:11 gribble: A market order to sell 130 bitcoins right now would net 88784.0021 USD and would take the last price down to 680.0200 USD, resulting in an average price of 682.9539 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0708 seconds

03:27:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06914002 = 0.6914 BTC [-] {4}

03:27:16 nubbins`: so what i'm going to do is find my laptop charger, pour a bowl of cereal, and listen to bad brains

03:27:33 the20year: Coinbase price right now is 724/brc

03:27:35 the20year: *btc

03:28:16 benkay: coinbase?

03:28:25 benkay: what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

03:28:31 benkay: and also good luck getting that price.

03:28:43 the20year: It should be no less than 720

03:28:47 mircea_popescu: they actually buy from you at 724 ?

03:28:59 the20year: Right around there

03:29:20 the20year: let me see what their price would be

03:29:25 diametric: mircea_popescu: they do

03:29:46 diametric: its also locked at time of purchase/sale. I'd be worried about holding your coins in coinbase though.

03:29:57 the20year: I try to avoid holding anything substantial in there

03:29:59 mircea_popescu: historically they're very waffly with actually delivering at the price but hey.

03:30:04 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvQBu7Xu2Jk

03:30:05 ozbot: BAD BRAINS - Black Dots 1978 [FULL ALBUM] - YouTube

03:30:19 the20year: I've sold around 600btc with them

03:30:30 the20year: err, no , it'd be more around 900

03:30:38 diametric: mircea_popescu: theres the occasional report of orders canceled during a "high"

03:31:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2}

03:31:21 mircea_popescu: or low as tyhe case may be

03:31:23 the20year: ‏‎50btc sold via coinabse would be 35,995.50

03:31:41 nubbins`: re: this "braincontrol.me" / "coinpunk" stuff

03:31:54 nubbins`: great that they're trying to get btc on iphones

03:32:02 diametric: selling 50btc on coinbase will almost certainly be reported to the IRS, and also likely cause a SAR to be filed by your bank.

03:32:04 nubbins`: but i'm not blindly trusting some random html5 website, for eternity

03:32:08 the20year: Your point?

03:32:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12233333 = 0.367 BTC [-] {3}

03:32:24 the20year: The money is reported to the IRS anyway

03:32:42 benkay: nubbins`: the point with coinpunk is to run a web wallet for your friends.

03:32:56 nubbins`: wait, what?

03:32:59 benkay: not to be industrial-grade wallet for the masses.

03:33:01 nubbins`: did i 100% misunderstand

03:33:07 benkay: yup.

03:33:11 nubbins`: D:

03:33:14 benkay: it's a zero-trust self hosted thing

03:33:25 mircea_popescu: diametric the guy is in the business of buying up real estate and renting it out

03:33:36 mircea_popescu: i'd expect he has paperwork in order

03:33:40 nubbins`: ohhhhh.

03:33:45 nubbins`: coinpunk.org vs coinpunk.com

03:33:48 diametric: mircea_popescu: i would hope so

03:33:50 benkay: more than happy to forward any comments on security/threat model to kyle

03:33:52 nubbins`: sort of like wordpress.org/.com

03:33:54 nubbins`: now i see

03:34:19 benkay: something like that, sure

03:34:34 nubbins`: wait, are .org and .com even the same outfit?

03:35:00 diametric: no

03:35:05 mircea_popescu: benkay who's kyle

03:35:19 nubbins`: hah

03:35:21 nubbins`: WELL THEN

03:35:29 nubbins`: nicely diluted brand

03:35:42 benkay: it's impossible to tell, but i'll check with him sometime.

03:36:04 benkay: kyledrake

03:36:08 benkay: aka Kyle Drake

03:36:15 nubbins`: .com looks less legit

03:36:29 diametric: nubbins`: i mis-read i thought you were asking about the registry level.

03:36:34 diametric: nubbins`: like literally .org and .com

03:36:35 nubbins`: oh

03:36:36 nubbins`: heh

03:36:42 nubbins`: no, coinpunk.org / coinpunk.com

03:36:50 benkay: mircea_popescu: http://kyledrake.net/

03:36:55 nubbins`: starting to think .com is scamming

03:37:23 benkay: that is a downside to the model - unless you actually know the server operator they can deliver anything they want to your browser.

03:37:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.122 BTC [-]

03:37:45 nubbins`: nod

03:38:07 nubbins`: at least with brainwallet.org etc you can host the files locally

03:38:08 benkay: but this is similar to the web wallet threat model anyways - don't trust strangers with your bitcoins.

03:38:11 nubbins`: no such option on a phone

03:38:34 mircea_popescu: ic

03:39:39 nubbins`: man, i gotta say

03:39:53 nubbins`: bad brains is a fucking great band

03:41:06 nubbins`: kind of amazing that the most intense hardcore punk band i can think of is four black guys who started doing it in the 70s

03:41:06 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

03:52:50 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Who needs a phone when IRC is a thing?

03:53:18 nubbins`: humans :(

03:53:59 moiety: BingoBoingo: i have been gpg-ing. mircea told me to get my arse on wot. so there i am! didn't even bug him for help

03:54:40 BingoBoingo: moiety: Congrats. Think how far ahead you would have been should you have tried this when it was first suggested?

03:55:35 moiety: 2015: i might try an order

03:56:08 mod6: its easy, there is a wiki for gribble :)

03:56:44 BingoBoingo: Eh, prolly look at the order book and see if there are any you can fill in the next month or two. I mean moiety, Your key could have been 5, 6, 7 months older.

03:57:11 moiety: i wish everything was command line

03:57:23 moiety: true BingoBoingo i'm not in any kind of rush mind you

03:58:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.072 = 0.288 BTC [+] {3}

03:58:49 moiety: happy reading, observing, drinking in atm

04:00:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]

04:00:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [+] {2}

04:01:41 joecool: how's it going?

04:01:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2}

04:02:14 nubbins`: i'm going to bed

04:02:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.07345 = 1.1752 BTC [+] {4}

04:02:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1215 = 0.3645 BTC [-]

04:02:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

04:04:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00300012 = 0.99 BTC [-] {3}

04:04:57 nubbins`: nitey nite

04:06:46 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you didn';t use the magic word

04:07:07 BingoBoingo: Prolly

04:07:08 mircea_popescu: joecool pretty cool

04:07:17 mircea_popescu: moiety so, would you like some atc ?

04:07:19 BingoBoingo: Should have said sudo

04:08:36 joecool: mircea_popescu: nubbins` was talking about romanians in OTC so i thought of you

04:08:46 mircea_popescu: haha

04:08:56 joecool: not too many other romanians online actually say useful things

04:08:57 mircea_popescu: was he saying bad things ?

04:09:11 joecool: no he was talking of some other romanian

04:09:13 mircea_popescu: wait there's other romanians online ?!

04:09:20 joecool: that's what i thought

04:09:22 mircea_popescu: what heresy is this

04:10:01 joecool: i always assumed they were too busy chasing chickens to come online (i have tried this pastime, it was exciting for an afternoon)

04:11:31 mircea_popescu: full disclosure : when i was about 5 my uncle told me that ducks absolutely have to be serviced by having their tail turned with a fixed wrench

04:11:33 mircea_popescu: or else they may die

04:11:43 mircea_popescu: and so i spent half a day chasing ducks with a fixed wrench

04:12:06 joecool: seems legit

04:12:13 joecool: does romania have a tourism agency?

04:12:17 mircea_popescu: uh

04:12:26 mircea_popescu: what's that ? like a travel agent ?

04:12:48 joecool: hm maybe not the correct word, a government PR campaign

04:12:53 mircea_popescu: a. prolly.

04:13:02 joecool: "come to romania, our ducks are the best to chase"

04:13:12 mircea_popescu: ;;google campanie vizitati romania

04:13:12 gribble: "WHY DON'T YOU COME OVER?" Răspunsul Gândul la campania ...: http://www.gandul.info/stiri/why-don-t-you-come-over-raspunsul-gandul-la-campania-britanica-nu-veniti-in-anglia-update-10528548; PENNY Market Romania: http://www.penny.ro/; Mirela Stelea sustine campania Romania, tara inimilor mari - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNZfS927XVw

04:13:17 mircea_popescu: there.

04:15:58 benkay: hey joecool

04:16:12 joecool: hey?

04:23:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00085379 = 11.3554 BTC [-]

04:33:14 KRS-One: http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/bitcoin-price-drops-as-mt-gox-exchange-closes-indefinitely-20140210-32ap1.html

04:34:14 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Should be interesting to see how shit settles with their fractional reserve out of the picture.

04:35:06 KRS-One: interesting yep

04:35:22 benkay: BingoBoingo: total shitshow impending. "oh, bitcoins on sale you say? mt gox fell apart and bitcoin is still around? guess i better throw ten US shitbucks into it" waits three weeks "well damn now i need a return on my bitcoins" BS&T v.2

04:35:34 KRS-One: now a good time to short?

04:36:08 benkay: KRS-One, BingoBoingo: when gox actually folds, do you think there'll be a significant leg down?

04:36:38 BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Good time to probably go long 6-12 months. Gox dying prolly removes a bunch of fake BTC and fake dollars. It will take time to figure out what there was more of.

04:38:55 BingoBoingo: benkay: The thing about shitshows is that it is best to watch the cripple fight and wait to act.

04:39:37 joecool: imma take the blame for mtgox falling apparent

04:39:44 joecool: *apart

04:40:17 joecool: spread some FUD a couple nights ago and it started a run, then they ceased withdrawals

04:40:25 joecool: exposed: mtgox the bucket shop

04:45:31 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/

04:50:29 benkay: mircea_popescu you're just cheating now

04:50:58 mircea_popescu: a man using his father's sword is not cheating. he is my father, i use which is mine.

04:54:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21117 @ 0.00085512 = 18.0576 BTC [+]

05:03:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00085692 = 24.0366 BTC [+] {2}

05:12:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00085363 = 14.7678 BTC [-] {2}

05:15:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0735 = 0.294 BTC [+]

05:19:46 copumpkin: all MPOE transactions are fairly large

05:19:58 copumpkin: I'd expect to see more "dust"

05:34:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63463 @ 0.00085697 = 54.3859 BTC [+] {2}

05:36:25 copumpkin: see? large transactions!

05:36:35 copumpkin: where'd nefario go?

05:37:48 BingoBoingo: copumpkin: Prolly went to Panama

05:38:27 copumpkin: where'd my >0.001 MPOE go, anyway

05:38:31 copumpkin: give it back

05:38:46 copumpkin: man, once MPOE goes above 1 btc/share, I'll be rich

05:38:49 copumpkin: if not as rich as mircea_popescu

05:38:55 copumpkin: I can't wait

05:39:08 copumpkin: then I can give my bentley back to him

05:39:27 mircea_popescu: what's this bentley you keep speaking of lol

05:39:59 copumpkin: oh you know

05:40:02 copumpkin: just my car

05:40:25 copumpkin: okay fine, fine, I lied

05:40:28 mircea_popescu: i had no idea you drived

05:40:31 copumpkin: I don't own a bentley (or any car)

05:40:41 copumpkin: and I didn't steal any money from you

05:40:46 copumpkin: gah, such a stickler for details

05:51:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1650 @ 0.00020195 = 0.3332 BTC [-]

05:56:17 Chaang-Noi: he copumpkin

05:56:21 Chaang-Noi: hey*

05:56:40 copumpkin: hey Chaang-Noi

05:56:58 Chaang-Noi: how ya been?

05:57:23 copumpkin: not bad, not doing anything in bitcoin these days

05:57:32 Chaang-Noi: still hodling?

05:58:00 copumpkin: yeah, a few :) you?

05:58:07 Chaang-Noi: yeah a few

05:58:16 Chaang-Noi: im not doing much either

05:58:22 Chaang-Noi: got some miners

05:59:22 Chaang-Noi: they should have been 2 TH/s but only 1.6 TH/s kinda sucks

05:59:25 Chaang-Noi: might have to sue em

06:05:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.074 = 0.37 BTC [+]

06:07:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00085841 = 30.1302 BTC [+] {3}

06:09:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00085802 = 14.2002 BTC [-]

06:13:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0029901 = 0.598 BTC [-]

06:16:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 578 @ 0.00020195 = 0.1167 BTC [-]

06:18:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12049999 = 1.205 BTC [-] {4}

06:21:39 KRS-One: nsfw http://i.imgur.com/k8poyUI.jpg

06:21:44 KRS-One: That is some olympic ass I can dive right into.

06:21:46 KRS-One: .bait

06:21:48 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/8d294c47d83550e992b5b85bf8435f01/tumblr_mwf27sPeew1snhkgqo1_500.jpg

06:22:37 KRS-One: ^^^ thats like somebody's mom

06:29:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]

06:52:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00085889 = 23.4048 BTC [+] {2}

06:53:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1768 @ 0.00085875 = 1.5183 BTC [-]

07:06:37 benkay: eventually it all comes down to bits on the wire

07:08:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00085938 = 7.8633 BTC [+]

07:18:28 BingoBoingo: Lol Apple http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/02/10/0535227/mac-os-x-bitcoin-stealing-trojan-horse-called-osxcointhief-discovered

07:33:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 181 @ 0.0055 = 0.9955 BTC

07:34:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04897944 = 0.2449 BTC [+]

07:35:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04897954 = 0.6857 BTC [+] {3}

08:09:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00550001 = 0.1375 BTC [-]

08:15:36 kakobrekla: hi

08:16:29 davout: hello

08:16:57 kakobrekla: heya davout

08:17:00 kakobrekla: hows it going

08:17:51 davout: pretty good, and yourself kind sir ?

08:18:19 davout: i am about to prove the internet wrong

08:18:25 kakobrekla: excellent, seems im getting my power back

08:18:41 davout: the weed fumes are dissipating ?

08:19:19 kakobrekla: hehe

08:19:24 davout: you'll read about it in the NYT toomorrow "Frenchman proves the internet wrong by having a shower"

08:23:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.000191 = 0.1146 BTC [-] {2}

08:26:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12955 @ 0.00085893 = 11.1274 BTC [-] {2}

08:30:22 kakobrekla: i take it back

08:30:25 kakobrekla: no power

09:05:28 Apocalyptic: .d

09:05:31 ozbot: 2621404453.06462 | Next Diff in 1195 blocks | Estimated Change: 11.9065% in 7d 7h 18m 51s

09:06:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1299987 BTC [+]

09:25:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10935 @ 0.00085942 = 9.3978 BTC [+] {2}

09:25:48 btc-monkey: "Hello MagicalTux, any update about the current situation please ? <- the release is almost ready, running final checks before it goes online

09:35:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00085971 = 11.864 BTC [+]

09:54:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1819 @ 0.00085863 = 1.5618 BTC [-] {2}

09:55:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8641 @ 0.0008564 = 7.4002 BTC [-]

10:04:05 dub: https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html

10:04:06 ozbot: MtGox - Bitcoin Exchange

10:07:33 BingoBoingo: So... MtGox plans to resume Bitcoin withdrawals... never?

10:07:52 Apocalyptic: let the dumping begin

10:08:53 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Why dumping?

10:09:17 davout: mtgox chan topic : "MtGox is NOT dead as a FUD post suggests" <<< priceless

10:09:17 Apocalyptic: some people want to get btc out of gox, they don't have any other choice but to sell

10:10:46 kakobrekla: ;;ticker

10:10:47 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 620.0, Best ask: 627.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.00000, Last trade: 620.0, 24 hour volume: 22218.65782057, 24 hour low: 620.21057, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 666.25873

10:11:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.0008564 = 19.1834 BTC [-]

10:13:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1172 @ 0.0029875 = 3.5014 BTC [-] {19}

10:14:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1292 @ 0.00292181 = 3.775 BTC [-] {12}

10:15:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 408 @ 0.00288932 = 1.1788 BTC [-] {6}

10:18:29 kakobrekla: flash crash

10:19:11 Apocalyptic: i hope other exchanges won't follow

10:19:39 Apocalyptic: there is no way to arb now anyway

10:21:02 KRS1: <gmaxwell> It is exceptionally unlikely that malleability will be fixed in the year. We've been slowly moving towards improving it, v0.8 closed of many forms of it.

10:23:10 davout: Apocalyptic: i think there will be bots propagating the dip

10:24:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00086008 = 40.4238 BTC [+] {4}

10:24:48 pizzaman1337: ;;ticker

10:24:48 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.25, Best ask: 590.0, Bid-ask spread: 5.75000, Last trade: 580.13001, 24 hour volume: 27115.47675369, 24 hour low: 580.13, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 653.84098

10:26:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001902 = 0.1902 BTC [-]

10:27:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

10:27:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0745 = 0.2235 BTC [+]

10:27:14 KRS1: wow if this is really a bug in bitcoin..otherwise what a perfect way to stall the failing of your exchange, tie up developers for months and blame btc

10:27:34 Apocalyptic: <KRS1> wow if this is really a bug in bitcoin // it's not...

10:27:53 punkman: so someone is fucking with MtGox? where is the proof?

10:29:05 Apocalyptic: <gmaxwell> orweinberger: not really. It makes some implications which are just flat out untrue.

10:29:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13743 @ 0.00086036 = 11.8239 BTC [+] {2}

10:29:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.075 = 0.3 BTC [+]

10:29:20 Apocalyptic: [the mtgox statement]

10:30:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]

10:31:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.13033323 = 0.391 BTC [+] {3}

10:31:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

10:32:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+]

10:37:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0754 = 0.1508 BTC [+]

10:44:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41470 @ 0.00086053 = 35.6862 BTC [+] {2}

10:45:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00086061 = 3.9588 BTC [+]

10:54:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0754995 = 0.604 BTC [+] {2}

10:54:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]

10:54:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

10:57:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12125 = 0.485 BTC [+] {2}

10:58:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.123 = 0.738 BTC [+] {3}

10:59:54 jurov: morning. so devs say mtgox largely fabricated whole issue?

11:00:03 dub: yep

11:00:31 kakobrekla: sauce?

11:00:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00085619 = 4.2381 BTC [-] {2}

11:01:35 Apocalyptic: morning jurov

11:01:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]

11:01:52 Apocalyptic: gox is spreading so much fud in their statement

11:02:01 kakobrekla: ;;goxlag

11:02:05 gribble: MtGox lag is 221.07766 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.443037155331 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU).

11:02:07 kakobrekla: did this thing stop?

11:02:24 davout: BTC dropped 10% because of the announcement

11:02:48 kakobrekla: more like 20%

11:03:02 kakobrekla: but i think goxes strings and cans capped out

11:03:20 punkman: the chinese prices finally went below $700

11:03:27 davout: kakobrekla: looking at BC

11:03:39 davout: well, those delicious cheap coinz won't be lost on everyone

11:03:56 kakobrekla: whats the daily vol there

11:05:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.55816667 = 5.5817 BTC [-] {8}

11:06:00 davout: shitty

11:06:48 kakobrekla: hm

11:07:11 kakobrekla: well it can only get better once gox blows

11:07:28 dub: word

11:07:54 davout: sure, that's pretty much the plan, do stuff right and let it mature

11:09:12 jurov: http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/02/10#l1392027399 starting roughly from there

11:10:04 Apocalyptic: davout, sounds like a good plan

11:11:43 jurov: are the verifications going better yet?

11:11:49 davout: mucho better

11:12:11 davout: we have a bunch of chicks working full-time on it

11:12:27 kakobrekla: oh, if you have chicks, ill allow anal probing

11:12:29 jurov: i sent my brother over to b-c last week, dunno if he actually registered

11:12:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00285 = 0.1026 BTC [+]

11:13:33 davout: i need to implement referrals once everything calms down a bit

11:14:32 kakobrekla: btw have you looked into supporting neteller or is that something you cant do

11:14:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00279821 = 5.5964 BTC [-] {13}

11:15:36 davout: looks like someone is trying to pull the same kind of shit karpeles is talking about on BC

11:15:45 davout: except he's trying to do it with deposits

11:15:54 kakobrekla: hm?

11:15:57 davout: which is utterly retardeed

11:16:19 davout: i just made a deposit to my account

11:16:29 davout: and it appears twice, under two different TXIDs

11:17:25 kakobrekla: im starting to suspect gox lost a bunch of coins in this matter

11:17:49 davout: who knows

11:18:07 davout: but i can confirm first hand that someone mutated my TX on the fly

11:18:24 jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1x93tf/some_irc_chatter_about_what_is_going_on_at_mtgox/cf99yac

11:18:37 Apocalyptic: kako, it's certain

11:18:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00270233 = 6.7558 BTC [-] {20}

11:19:04 kakobrekla: how is it certain

11:19:04 jurov: seems mtgox reimplemented their wallet from scratch and badly, so yes, they mayb have lost

11:19:13 davout: i'd suspect someone is out there mutating every single transaction around for fun and profit

11:19:14 jurov: from the reddit comment above

11:19:40 kakobrekla: doesnt open here dunno great firewall of somalia

11:20:03 davout: it's definitely not a problem for deposits tho

11:20:11 davout: it doesn't seem targeted

11:20:26 kakobrekla: i hear this is btce: http://i.imgur.com/XDcjlts.png

11:20:56 davout: lol

11:21:58 Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> how is it certain // because people fixed the mispadded signature, so the coins went through and were refunded both at the same time

11:22:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0754995 = 0.5285 BTC [+]

11:22:39 kakobrekla: cool beans

11:27:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]

11:29:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0754995 = 0.3775 BTC [+]

11:29:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-]

11:30:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]

11:30:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0754995 = 0.2265 BTC [+]

11:31:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [-]

11:32:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00085992 = 21.025 BTC [+] {3}

11:32:11 jurov: glad we have a specification that says how to properly pad the numbers and stuff

11:32:25 davout: word

11:33:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]

11:35:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00086149 = 21.968 BTC [+] {2}

11:35:19 punkman: well china doesn't seem to be giving many fucks, back to $700

11:38:47 kakobrekla: ;;goxlag

11:38:49 gribble: MtGox lag is 1327.087254 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.65946799821 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU).

11:58:06 bitesak: ;;ticker

11:58:07 gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 605.0, Best ask: 640.0, Bid-ask spread: 35.00000, Last trade: 599.99, 24 hour volume: 34105.23173009, 24 hour low: 500.0, 24 hour high: 700.0, 24 hour vwap: 630.03267

12:05:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-]

12:05:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00085744 = 18.5207 BTC [-]

12:07:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC

12:08:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1325 = 0.6625 BTC [+]

12:11:22 davout: that didn't last long

12:14:11 moiety: morning campers, what nationality theme are we having today?!

12:15:32 davout: definitely japanese

12:15:46 kakobrekla: hehe

12:15:53 kakobrekla: i thought twas french,.

12:15:57 moiety: fucking excellent.. all i know is: sakana wa akai desu

12:16:06 moiety: french was yesterday my friend, move with the times

12:16:19 moiety: and why yes, the fish is red!

12:16:34 davout: sakana wa oiishi desu

12:16:39 davout: the fish is tasty

12:16:46 moiety: see that is more useful

12:16:50 punkman: あなたはgoxedてきた

12:17:20 moiety: is it later tell or tell later for gribbling to someone who isnt here?

12:20:21 davout: former

12:20:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00085712 = 13.8425 BTC [-] {2}

12:23:02 moiety: thanks

12:24:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00085861 = 17.1722 BTC [+]

12:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00085561 = 34.5239 BTC [-] {3}

12:34:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13589 @ 0.00085462 = 11.6134 BTC [-]

12:35:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 290 @ 0.00080134 = 0.2324 BTC [-] {3}

12:36:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00085503 = 25.6509 BTC [+] {3}

12:48:29 KRS1: Fuck, like Punkman said..this shit ain't over.

12:49:46 KRS1: ;;tell

12:49:47 gribble: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.

12:50:07 KRS1: ;;tell nickbitreal nigga

12:50:07 gribble: Error: I haven't seen nickbitreal, I'll let you do the telling.

12:51:40 moiety: whats happeing KRS1?

12:51:51 moiety: more fun and games at gox?

12:52:44 davout: this will end with guns and fame...

12:57:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00086204 = 21.551 BTC [+]

13:01:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15633 @ 0.00085231 = 13.3242 BTC [-]

13:02:48 KRS1: ah nothing much

13:03:28 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Wmpkqen7w

13:03:32 ozbot: DangerDoom (Danger Mouse & MF DOOM) - Bada Bing - YouTube

13:03:46 KRS1: ;;tell mircea_popescu You should petition the author of this photo and insist on adding mpex. http://i.imgur.com/edOnkZ2.jpg

13:03:46 gribble: Error: I haven't seen mircea_popescu, I'll let you do the telling.

13:03:49 ThickAsThieves: lolgox

13:05:02 ThickAsThieves: krs1 it's ;;later tell

13:08:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.19376446 = 9.6882 BTC [+]

13:12:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4906 @ 0.0008612 = 4.225 BTC [+]

13:15:45 punkman: KRS1: fixed: http://i.imgur.com/9vPVcog.png

13:17:11 KRS1: HAHA good job punkman

13:17:18 KRS1: thx the20year

13:17:27 KRS1: thickasthieves hows ATC

13:18:16 KRS1: punkman: im going to paste that img into #mtgox

13:19:23 ThickAsThieves: ATC goes well, it's listed on its first shady exchange

13:21:28 punkman: parodycoin needs parodyexchange

13:22:20 ThickAsThieves: maybe jurov will market-make ATC on mpex

13:23:00 ThickAsThieves: or maybe Apocalyptic will list it on his, assuming he's confident in his security etc

13:23:08 the20year: ?

13:23:39 ystarnaud: whats ATC?

13:23:49 ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org

13:24:00 ystarnaud: thanks

13:25:22 ThickAsThieves: Gox and Bitfunder seem so similar now

13:25:24 Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, what's the shady one you're talking about ?

13:25:34 ThickAsThieves: https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111

13:25:36 ozbot: OpenEx

13:25:42 ThickAsThieves: run by r3wy

13:25:46 ThickAsThieves: r3wt*

13:26:00 KRS1: haha

13:26:00 ThickAsThieves: apparently he has a somewhat unclean past

13:26:24 ThickAsThieves: ATC/BTC 0.00000157

13:27:06 ThickAsThieves: shouldnt be hard to beat doge

13:28:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [-]

13:28:34 ThickAsThieves: lol @ dr greg "Due to the fun of repeatedly chasing my tail for several minutes, backing out of positions left unhedged by the BTC.sx delay, and eating the spread both at BTC.sx and at ICBIT as a result, the fund has taken a haircut of just over 2% -- enough to erase all our gains to date."

13:28:34 ThickAsThieves: On a personal note, I am not at all happy about this outcome."

13:31:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-]

13:32:21 ThickAsThieves: so basically gox is making it sound like someone maybe hacked bitcoin and double spent

13:32:35 ystarnaud: yeah

13:32:38 ystarnaud: its their own mistakes

13:32:46 ThickAsThieves: but really their implementation was not robust enough to work properly and they have a web to untangle

13:32:47 ystarnaud: they fell for a scam

13:32:51 ystarnaud: is more like it

13:33:14 ThickAsThieves: the ugly part is, they surely sold preemptively

13:33:24 ThickAsThieves: and buy bacl low

13:33:43 ThickAsThieves: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/10/mt-gox-blames-bitcoin-core-developer-greg-maxwell-responds/

13:33:46 ystarnaud: they didnt make their software to account for this "issue" then someone probably played them claiming their money didnt go through and they resent

13:33:48 ystarnaud: yep

13:34:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00546961 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {6}

13:34:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.075987 = 0.228 BTC [+]

13:34:19 ystarnaud: i read somewhere too that they spend/use coins that are freshly minted and don't wait for the usual 100 confirms by the blockchain

13:34:30 ThickAsThieves: it tx ids are malleable why rely on them for a private system?

13:34:45 ThickAsThieves: i saw that too

13:34:57 ystarnaud: yeah someone pointed out most software will instead track user/amount/timestamp

13:35:05 ystarnaud: and they been told apparently

13:35:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-]

13:35:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.076 = 0.456 BTC [+]

13:36:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.0054448 = 0.4574 BTC [-] {6}

13:36:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.08008735 = 0.961 BTC [+] {2}

13:36:55 the20year: seems they were told a while ago

13:37:26 the20year: Maybe they'll have to go back to trading magic cards:?

13:37:46 KRS1: that would kick ass

13:38:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [-]

13:38:17 KRS1: Mark wouldn't have to be bothered with this stupid coin stuff all the time.

13:39:56 ystarnaud: lol

13:40:03 KRS1: hah love this part: examined Gox’s code to some degree, and remarked that they are using a strange “hodgepodge of technologies that are really not suitable for running an exchange.”

13:40:06 the20year: heh ,i guess btc touched $105 on btce

13:40:22 ystarnaud: :O?

13:40:51 ystarnaud: say what?

13:42:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.08498998 = 0.17 BTC [+]

13:42:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

13:42:39 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin is dead, long live altcoin!

13:42:53 ystarnaud: haha TAT

13:43:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 751 @ 0.00079393 = 0.5962 BTC [-] {6}

13:43:37 davout: such blasphemy

13:43:57 ThickAsThieves: i actually think altcoin brings many great lessons

13:44:04 ThickAsThieves: even to people in this chan

13:44:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.091 = 0.819 BTC [+]

13:45:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5351 = 1.0702 BTC [-] {2}

13:45:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00299124 = 0.5982 BTC [+] {9}

13:47:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+] {2}

13:53:15 ThickAsThieves: Altcoin Having Huge Affect on Bitcoin Hashrate, Transactions Grid to Halt ~ Karpeles -- source: https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate

13:53:29 ThickAsThieves: Grind*

13:54:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53510001 BTC [+]

13:55:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00085387 = 19.9806 BTC [-]

13:56:58 davout: ThickAsThieves: lmao

13:57:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

14:00:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14744 @ 0.00085416 = 12.5937 BTC [+]

14:03:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+]

14:05:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53510001 = 1.0702 BTC [+]

14:06:33 MisterE: sup?

14:06:42 MisterE: whats this channel for?

14:06:57 ThickAsThieves: higher learning

14:07:15 MisterE: graduate studies?

14:07:26 MisterE: wtf are you doing here you slacker? :p

14:07:39 MisterE: whats going on?

14:07:46 ThickAsThieves: ?

14:07:55 KRS1: we trade Magic: The Gathering cards here too

14:08:04 MisterE: looking for some sensible chat and analysis I'm bugged out from Trollbox

14:08:08 KRS1: thus, assets..duh.

14:08:09 MisterE: oh

14:08:15 ThickAsThieves: well you landed in the right place

14:08:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18024 @ 0.00085459 = 15.4031 BTC [+]

14:08:51 MisterE: I know you from around the way ThickAsThieves maybe another network?

14:08:55 KRS1: We have free bait.

14:08:56 KRS1: .bait

14:08:58 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6gk192gIf1qdwh13o1_500.jpg

14:08:59 MisterE: assbot: lol

14:09:24 MisterE: free fapping material?

14:09:38 MisterE: I like my tits natural tho

14:09:39 KRS1: 24/7 dude.

14:09:49 KRS1: Then just .bait again and fap away.

14:09:51 KRS1: .bait

14:09:53 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m76y6pVx651qjn8beo1_500.jpg

14:10:13 KRS1: We have lasers.

14:10:15 MisterE: So is Cox dead yet?

14:10:18 ThickAsThieves: MisterE, I run ASICMINER passthroughs and some other things

14:10:23 MisterE: this is like BTC being rid of cancer

14:10:29 ThickAsThieves: i recognize your name too

14:10:30 KRS1: ;;lasers

14:10:31 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

14:10:37 ThickAsThieves: ;;roulette

14:10:38 gribble: *click*

14:10:39 MisterE: ahh ok

14:10:40 MisterE: ;;eath

14:10:41 gribble: Error: "eath" is not a valid command.

14:11:04 MisterE: I'm regged with gribble from #bitcoin-otc

14:11:21 KRS1: you are definately in the right channel then

14:11:56 MisterE: what site has the best charts?

14:12:15 MisterE: bitcinwisdom?

14:12:21 MisterE: bitcoinwisdom?

14:12:44 KRS1: good chart analysis for Bitcoin can be had at tradingview.com..its easy.

14:12:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00085459 = 7.6059 BTC [+]

14:13:03 ThickAsThieves: yeah i like bitwiz and tradingviews

14:13:53 MisterE: does traditional SA work with BTC?

14:14:29 ThickAsThieves: yesno

14:14:33 MisterE: haha

14:14:47 MisterE: thats the answer I had arrived at

14:14:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43899 @ 0.00085242 = 37.4204 BTC [-] {3}

14:15:57 ThickAsThieves: in tradinviews, is there a way to get it to always show the date you are hovering over

14:16:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3301 @ 0.00085167 = 2.8114 BTC [-]

14:16:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04540014 = 0.1362 BTC [-]

14:17:13 MisterE: hmm tradingview does commodities and all kinds of stuff

14:18:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00085793 = 16.987 BTC [+] {3}

14:21:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02757037 = 0.7168 BTC [-] {7}

14:21:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [+]

14:22:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.55 = 3.3 BTC [+] {2}

14:24:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 59 @ 0.0047799 = 0.282 BTC [+] {2}

14:27:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1010 @ 0.00019543 = 0.1974 BTC [+] {2}

14:32:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

14:34:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

14:35:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.55 = 2.2 BTC [+]

14:38:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [+]

14:52:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00534 = 0.1335 BTC [-] {2}

14:52:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02740001 = 0.274 BTC [-]

14:54:19 ThickAsThieves: "Murder-for-Hire, the most sensationalistic and damning allegation of the government, was NOT a formal charge in the arraignment of Ross Ulbricht yesterday. When Ross stood up and pled “not guilty” to each indictment presented by the judge, there was no mention of murder at all. We have always known this claim was false. Now it is merely an “uncharged crime,” a component of the

14:54:19 ThickAsThieves: drug conspiracy charge."

14:59:48 MisterE: you'll see no retractions though, he's gone forever

15:00:21 MisterE: let them build a strong case too

15:00:45 MisterE: I always wondered seemed too sensationalist

15:03:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12000001 = 0.96 BTC [-] {2}

15:06:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-]

15:07:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12 = 0.36 BTC [-]

15:08:06 moiety: MisterE: it's eauth command not eath to authenticate :)

15:08:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.12 = 0.96 BTC [-]

15:08:56 MisterE: thought to auth with gpg was eauth

15:09:15 MisterE: havent used it in months tho

15:09:25 moiety: yep it didn't work before because there was just a 'u' missing

15:09:46 MisterE: alright, thanks

15:10:19 moiety: np :)

15:21:21 nubbins`: morning

15:22:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00085856 = 21.7645 BTC [+]

15:23:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-]

15:26:39 deadweasel: "MtGox had this problem because they didn.t know about this Bitcoin property. And for most of the time transactions were not deliberately modified by anyone, so it was okay for most of the time."

15:27:56 the20year3: Translation "We gave away some bitcoin instead of magic cards, lolz sry k thxbye

15:28:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14669 @ 0.00085845 = 12.5926 BTC [-] {2}

15:28:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.077 = 0.154 BTC [+]

15:28:54 nubbins`: heh

15:29:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07871428 = 0.551 BTC [+] {3}

15:29:05 nubbins`: anyone who has usd/btc in gox should be ashamed

15:32:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.19376446 = 1.9376 BTC [+]

15:34:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

15:37:06 mod6: nubbins`: srsly.

15:39:35 nubbins`: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientific-explanation-how-marijuana-causes-munchies-180949660/

15:39:36 ozbot: A Scientific Explanation of How Marijuana Causes the Munchies | Science | Smithsonian

15:44:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.079 = 1.343 BTC [+]

15:45:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12 = 0.6 BTC [-] {3}

15:46:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0736 = 0.368 BTC [-] {3}

15:46:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12909 @ 0.00085959 = 11.0964 BTC [+]

15:53:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.1212 = 1.5756 BTC [+] {2}

15:53:35 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/ Asia Nexgen?

15:53:38 ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets

15:54:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4213 @ 0.00085959 = 3.6215 BTC [+]

15:55:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.19376446 = 3.4878 BTC [+]

15:56:28 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/10/carl-icahn-drops-apple-buyback-proposal/?mod=WSJBlog this guy lol

15:56:29 ozbot: Carl Icahn Drops Apple Buyback Proposal - MoneyBeat - WSJ

15:57:01 nubbins`: huh, HKD and USD

15:58:03 nubbins`: anxbtc.com, "YOUR MOST TRUSTED BITCOIN EXCHANGE"

15:58:09 nubbins`: i feel like i've heard that before...

15:58:31 nubbins`: ugh, "ANXPRO now supports Dogecoins!"

15:59:34 ThickAsThieves: lol

15:59:49 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/10/5390620/twitch-one-million-broadcasters-biggest-web-traffic

15:59:58 ThickAsThieves: twitch beats facebook

16:00:06 ThickAsThieves: america is gonna be SO fat

16:00:25 ThickAsThieves: legal weed, people watching people play video games, etc

16:00:32 KRS1: aint it great

16:00:50 ozbot: One million broadcasters strong, Twitch surpasses Facebook in peak traffic | The Verge

16:01:04 KRS1: you should see my drag car..gets 10 miles to the gallon. oh and my favorite food is cheeseburger

16:01:09 ThickAsThieves: Twitch even beats Hulu, they must be crying

16:01:29 nubbins`: TIL what twitch is

16:01:58 Duffer1: someone should work on getting twitch broadcasters to accept btc donation

16:02:12 nubbins`: maybe that someone is you!

16:02:45 ThickAsThieves: rally the reddites!

16:02:59 Duffer1: i'd love to actually, but i have nothing to donate to help them see how it works hehe

16:03:09 ThickAsThieves: neither do they

16:03:15 ThickAsThieves: but so what

16:04:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1212 = 0.3636 BTC [+]

16:05:01 nubbins`: kakobrekla: i just told my wife about niggers.txt

16:05:17 nubbins`: she was in the middle of writing a proposal that she had "temporarily" named "beat-off.doc"

16:05:32 nubbins`: i advised her to rename ;(

16:05:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

16:05:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019042 = 0.3808 BTC [-] {3}

16:08:26 ThickAsThieves: 1Enjoy1C4bYBr3tN4sMKxvvJDqG8NkdR4Z is sending random dust to me

16:08:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

16:08:44 ThickAsThieves: maybe it's liberated gox monety

16:10:32 moiety: i keep getting told "it's a thing!" but no explanation on niggers.txt

16:10:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00086089 = 17.39 BTC [+]

16:10:52 moiety: i like how the address is 'enjoy' ThickAsThieves

16:11:03 nubbins`: kako accidentally sent a file to some clients with that name

16:11:17 moiety: ooohhh!

16:11:25 moiety: oh dear, how did that pan out

16:12:42 ThickAsThieves: it was jurov that did it i think

16:12:47 nubbins`: ah

16:13:04 nubbins`: silly euros

16:14:02 usaoscoin: anyone got the link to the options calculator?

16:14:43 ThickAsThieves: namworld had one, i dunno if he kept it up to date though

16:15:12 ThickAsThieves: fukn idiots http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-02-10/is-bitcoin-over-mt-dot-gox-pauses-withdrawals

16:15:26 mike_c: usaoscoin: this one works off the live option prices:

16:15:27 mike_c: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/options/

16:15:33 mike_c: but market maker is down right now..

16:15:37 ozbot: Option Analysis - Btc Alpha

16:15:50 usaoscoin: mike_c: big thanks, exactly what I was looking for

16:16:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57999999 = 1.16 BTC [+] {2}

16:17:17 ThickAsThieves: the video is much less stupid than the headline

16:17:30 mike_c: i had some lulz yesterday reading the logs with people talking about how easy it is to get 9's on a system :)

16:17:52 ThickAsThieves: yesterday;s log was turture

16:17:58 ThickAsThieves: i ended up skimming much of it

16:18:06 mike_c: yes.

16:18:10 ThickAsThieves: torture*

16:18:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8587 @ 0.00086089 = 7.3925 BTC [+]

16:19:13 ThickAsThieves: lol bloomberg called the iphone smashers jackasses

16:21:03 ThickAsThieves: guess who writes a great line like this "The news is only the latest in a nearly year-long series of shocks to hit the once seemingly unassailable exchange. "

16:21:30 ThickAsThieves: how is something seemingly unassailable whilst having year of shocks

16:24:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 120 @ 0.07607165 = 9.1286 BTC [-] {6}

16:25:08 mod6: lol bitcoinrag.

16:25:30 mod6: and fatass has had nohing but epic fuckups since like.. i dunno, 2010?

16:25:31 ThickAsThieves: i guess he does say "once"

16:25:46 ThickAsThieves: we are all unassailable once, after all

16:27:38 nubbins`: i dunno, i was raised roman catholic

16:27:46 nubbins`: afaik i was doomed from the start

16:32:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.07479166 = 0.8975 BTC [+] {5}

16:32:22 ThickAsThieves: <@gmaxwell> xiando: as far as mtgox's "proposal" having a stable-txid is handy, and sure we'll add that, in fact here is the code: https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/1173eef630783a822d9a709cfbc22ba91880231e

16:32:22 ThickAsThieves: <@gmaxwell> But it does not solve mtgox's problems.

16:39:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00085386 = 25.9573 BTC [-] {3}

16:39:56 ThickAsThieves: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=418

16:40:03 ThickAsThieves: "Contrary to Mt. Gox’s Statement, Bitcoin is not at fault"

16:40:09 ThickAsThieves: I winder if theyll boot them

16:40:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12000001 BTC [-]

16:40:57 ThickAsThieves: "There are best practices to think about and account for by those who want to build companies. "

16:41:07 ThickAsThieves: there are?

16:44:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.19376446 = 2.9065 BTC [+]

16:44:52 the20year3: With as much money as gox had coming in/going out , they should have had a full time seucrity team doing nothing but looking for weaknesses

16:46:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02740001 = 0.1096 BTC [-]

16:49:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00085674 = 16.1924 BTC [+] {2}

16:52:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02612917 = 0.6271 BTC [-] {8}

16:55:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]

16:57:49 diametric: lol mtgox "its bitcoins fault"

16:58:08 mircea_popescu: who's weeklyglobalresearch.wordpress.com ?

16:58:19 mircea_popescu: diametric let me guess, rettardit ?

16:58:39 ThickAsThieves: mtgoxit

16:59:05 chsados-work: has anyone been able to withdrawl btc from btc-e yet?

16:59:29 ThickAsThieves: they have issues too?

16:59:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.24028439 BTC to 1`293 shares, 95923 satoshi per share

16:59:55 mircea_popescu: the funny thing is, of course, that

16:59:56 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291274.msg3118741#msg3118741

16:59:58 ozbot: Hey Activeminers? You won't make your investment back.

17:00:15 punkman: btc-e goxed themselves too?

17:00:27 mircea_popescu: punkman they're being run upon.

17:01:09 ThickAsThieves: i have some altcoins there, that's about it

17:01:13 mircea_popescu: chsados-work very few people here actually traded there, afaik. but they seem to be having some sort of problem

17:02:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 115 @ 0.0055 = 0.6325 BTC

17:04:31 ThickAsThieves: CoinDesk Removes Mt. Gox from Bitcoin Price Index

17:04:36 ThickAsThieves: it's happening!

17:05:57 mircea_popescu: ah this is so sweet.

17:06:02 mircea_popescu: definitely sweeter than the glbse thing.

17:06:35 mike_c: bitcoinaverage had a button to remove gox price from inception. can't wait for them to die, it will be better than SR dying.

17:07:12 mircea_popescu: anyone know the beauty and wonder that is mincemeat pie ?

17:07:31 ThickAsThieves: never had it whilst a carnivore

17:08:02 mircea_popescu: it's like lobster : so good it's illegal in some jurisdictions

17:09:13 joecool: and to think, lobster used to be poor man's food

17:10:01 mircea_popescu: so did this

17:10:07 mircea_popescu: well, technically, heretic's food

17:10:56 mircea_popescu: meat and fruit is an eastern combo, seeing how they had little choice in many places : either eat the figs or eat no veggies.

17:11:19 ThickAsThieves: the only seabugs i ever brang myself to eat were shrimp and perriwinkles

17:11:34 mircea_popescu: no lobster, ssly ?

17:11:37 ThickAsThieves: never

17:11:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.076 = 0.152 BTC [+]

17:11:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.119 = 0.238 BTC [-]

17:11:59 ThickAsThieves: the smell makes me not hungry

17:12:04 ThickAsThieves: and scallops make me ill

17:12:08 ThickAsThieves: just the smell

17:15:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00280185 = 0.2522 BTC [-] {6}

17:15:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

17:18:53 deadweasel: roaches of the sea. i tried lobster again sicne I'm in Maine, but still, no stars, no amazing flavour, nothing. just sea cockroach meat.

17:18:53 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

17:19:22 deadweasel: marketing

17:21:04 ThickAsThieves: might be a taste bud, olefactory genetic thing

17:21:27 ThickAsThieves: also your brain is way smarter then you when it comes to cravings

17:21:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 422 @ 0.00079109 = 0.3338 BTC [-] {6}

17:22:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 422 @ 0.00078913 = 0.333 BTC [-] {4}

17:23:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2451 @ 0.00077295 = 1.8945 BTC [-] {7}

17:24:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.07733333 = 0.232 BTC [+] {3}

17:26:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1004 @ 0.0007 = 0.7028 BTC [-] {3}

17:27:01 mircea_popescu: scallops are iffy in that they're really no good preserved

17:27:14 mircea_popescu: fresh from the hands of a greek chick i nthe water... diff story.

17:27:55 mircea_popescu: deadweasel that's the problem with you wisconsin goodfolk. you obviously lack some of the tastebuds

17:28:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 407 @ 0.0007 = 0.2849 BTC [+] {2}

17:33:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.0055 = 0.352 BTC [+]

17:35:54 deadweasel: actualloy, the scallops I had in greece were excellent, I forgot about those.

17:36:07 deadweasel: actual alloy, the most real metal of our time.

17:36:12 mircea_popescu: lol

17:36:34 mircea_popescu: i tell you, you're having paint in painted containers and think o i don't like lobster/scallops/etc

17:36:41 mircea_popescu: tis not true.

17:36:47 ThickAsThieves: i enjoyed the olives in Cyprus

17:37:08 mircea_popescu: i tried once octopus in oil in some can

17:37:13 mircea_popescu: i nearly lost it

17:37:25 deadweasel: mircea_popescu: you're probaly right. the fresh shrimp aren't so bad, but I'll always prefer a grassfed beef cow.

17:37:26 mircea_popescu: that thing was the most objectionable piece of well used tyre

17:37:56 mircea_popescu: deadweasel the difference being chiefly that you know the people who serve the prime beef, but not the others

17:38:04 deadweasel: ha, yes, fresh octo is excellent! spear fished some in greece at breakfast time, at them at lunch

17:38:14 punkman: there's this restaurant in Barcelona that only serves food out of cans

17:38:23 deadweasel: it's true, I get my beef from a local farmer, it's not gray, it's actually Red!

17:38:37 mircea_popescu: yeah. gray meat wtf is that.

17:38:57 deadweasel: my body says no.. tried to eat store bought bacon this weekend, one bite, pitched it all in the garbage.

17:39:25 mircea_popescu: punkman you mean they cook already opened cans or do you mean they offer a selection of stuff like canned tennis balls etc ?

17:39:48 punkman: no mostly just open it, dump it on a plate and serve

17:39:49 mircea_popescu: deadweasel "oh, beef is horrible, tastes like bugs to me" derp

17:40:18 punkman: the canned goods sections in Spanish supermarkets are huge, they just love the stuff

17:40:39 mircea_popescu: some stuff is actually better canned

17:40:40 deadweasel: lol, i see what you did there.

17:40:42 mircea_popescu: corned beef say

17:40:48 deadweasel: ^ nom

17:41:02 benkay: ;;lasers

17:41:02 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

17:41:25 punkman: fish in sauce in a can always tastes awful for me

17:41:32 mircea_popescu: jesus god

17:42:23 mircea_popescu: lol i just had this idea for a short. typical airline interior, superhot stewardess, seamed stockings

17:42:32 mircea_popescu: suddenly she opens the hatch, pulls out a fishing cane

17:42:39 mircea_popescu: casts in the ocean

17:42:45 mircea_popescu: gotta prepare the lunch...

17:43:05 mircea_popescu: prolly decent ad for some airline somewhere

17:43:22 punkman: deadweasel, catching an octopus is just a great way to start the day

17:43:44 mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086034/

17:43:46 ozbot: Octopussy (1983) - IMDb

17:43:50 mircea_popescu: ^ great way to end the day

17:44:57 punkman: I'm gonna make some octopus stew tomorrow, maybe blog the recipe

17:45:50 mircea_popescu: you got a blog ?

17:46:14 punkman: not a recent one

17:46:43 punkman: but I gotta start writing again, maybe recipes will get me in the mood

17:46:45 mircea_popescu: a

17:51:47 mircea_popescu: also there are a bunch of terrines which you pretty much prefer canned...

17:52:02 mircea_popescu: and there's all the various caviar etc.

17:52:10 mircea_popescu: i guess you could run quite a kickass restaurant on cans only

17:52:55 punkman: mircea_popescu: they got pretty good reviews, http://www.yelp.com/biz/quimet-and-quimet-barcelona

17:53:01 jcpham: thankfully mtgox is here to save us from this whole bitcoin fuckup

17:53:13 mircea_popescu: lol

17:53:21 mircea_popescu: just like last time right ?

17:53:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 64 @ 0.0055 = 0.352 BTC

17:53:41 jcpham: good 'ol bestgox to save the day

17:53:47 mircea_popescu: "Carrer del Poeta Cabanyes, 25"

17:53:56 mircea_popescu: dude that's a fucking address. why can't i have an address like that.

17:54:33 mircea_popescu: "i live at 19, the career of the herpyderp poet". sounds like it's from the adventures of knownot

17:55:20 joecool: "i live in a cardboard box down the street next to the guy who lives in a shoe"

17:55:20 joecool: etc

17:55:56 joecool: US census still has a "draw a picture of your address" section

17:56:01 mircea_popescu: (nikolai nosov book, neznaika)

17:56:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019262 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3}

17:57:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.0008585 = 15.6247 BTC [+]

17:58:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 273 @ 0.0055 = 1.5015 BTC

17:58:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

18:06:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81019 @ 0.00086015 = 69.6885 BTC [+] {5}

18:09:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.047 = 0.47 BTC [-]

18:09:55 mircea_popescu: okay, the first to name a 90 year old blind general that took part in actual field hostilities gets 1000 ALTs

18:14:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00085747 = 17.4066 BTC [-]

18:15:40 kakobrekla: mark karpeles

18:16:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]

18:17:46 mircea_popescu: haha

18:20:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00085997 = 22.4452 BTC [+] {2}

18:24:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55600014 = 1.668 BTC [-] {2}

18:24:58 Mats_cd03: 'murican robert lee?

18:25:33 ThickAsThieves: William "Billy" Guste Jr.

18:26:16 ThickAsThieves: wait he wasnt blind

18:26:18 ThickAsThieves: lol

18:26:50 ThickAsThieves: was trying to find an old attorney general

18:33:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.000195 = 0.1755 BTC [+]

18:33:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.047 = 0.282 BTC [-]

18:33:29 ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbNmL6hSNKw#t=22

18:33:32 ozbot: Fish on Wheels - YouTube

18:35:31 mike_c: find/replace with 13,000 hits: sublime text ran for 15 minutes before i killed it. sed took < 1 second.

18:40:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9364 @ 0.00085772 = 8.0317 BTC [-]

18:41:05 punkman: mice_c, old age and treachery

18:42:11 ThickAsThieves: http://www.sigmalive.com/inbusiness/news/services/99911

18:44:06 wao-ender: mike_c: do it in haskell!

18:44:54 mike_c: sed is probably written in haskell. much speed.

18:49:30 mod6: mircea_popescu: was it Enrico Dandolo?

18:49:41 mod6: From the 4th Crusade?

18:50:38 ThickAsThieves: http://www.philenews.com/el-gr/oikonomia-kypros/146/184665/apantisi-tou-ds-tis-etaireias-neo-anaforika-me-anakoinosi-tis-kentrikis-trapezas

18:50:44 Mats_cd03: yeah thats it

18:55:17 Mats_cd03: now mod6 can retire to a private island

18:56:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 155 @ 0.0055 = 0.8525 BTC

18:56:47 punkman: ThickAsThieves: they aren't saying much, http://www.centralbank.gov.cy/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=13239

18:58:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.0055 = 0.132 BTC

19:00:30 mircea_popescu: mod6 wd!

19:00:38 mircea_popescu: post an addy will you

19:00:39 mod6: \o/ ty, Sir.

19:00:45 mod6: Sure thing

19:00:59 mod6: 1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6

19:01:02 kakobrekla: just keep it at pankakaes wallet

19:01:04 kakobrekla: bah

19:01:20 mircea_popescu: 1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6 pankkake pls to pay 1k atc

19:01:30 mod6: tyvm :D

19:01:31 mircea_popescu: this was fun.

19:01:35 mod6: *nod*

19:01:39 nubbins`: mincemeat pie

19:01:50 nubbins`: closest i've had is shepherd's pie, which i suspect is not the same at all

19:01:55 nubbins`: mince pies have pastry tops, yes?

19:02:07 kakobrekla: if everyone uses pankake we dont even need blockchain at all

19:02:13 kakobrekla: that would be a real revolution i saa

19:02:16 kakobrekla: say

19:02:29 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yep

19:02:38 mircea_popescu: the rape of the pankkake ?

19:02:38 kakobrekla: save on hashpower and hdds

19:02:38 mike_c: a centralized altcoin. there's an innovation for you.

19:03:17 mike_c: the blockchain is log.bitcoin-assets.com

19:03:35 nubbins`: speaking of seafood

19:03:42 nubbins`: cuttlefish jerky was big in korea

19:03:47 nubbins`: i developed a fondness for it

19:03:55 nubbins`: served with hot mayonnaise, natch

19:04:04 kakobrekla: lol true dat mike

19:04:26 kakobrekla: might have to shut it down now!

19:07:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC

19:07:51 mjr_: so...

19:07:56 mjr_: is gox finally dead

19:07:57 mjr_: ?

19:08:16 kakobrekla: yeah they self killed themselfs

19:08:33 nubbins`: ehh, it's been dead for a while. still coughs up blood every now and again tho

19:09:12 kakobrekla: its been dead yea, bit people want to belie

19:09:24 kakobrekla: believe

19:10:00 kakobrekla: dammit, but people want to believe, is what i meant to say

19:10:18 nubbins`: heh

19:10:18 nubbins`: bit people do as well

19:11:26 deadweasel: pankkakechain

19:11:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00544001 = 0.1034 BTC [-]

19:12:01 deadweasel: sounds like a sex act of dubious value

19:14:41 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> ehh, it's been dead for a while. still coughs up blood every now and again tho <<

19:14:50 mircea_popescu: you should see the fucktarded "press".

19:14:53 mircea_popescu: "bitcoin defaults"

19:15:52 deadweasel: lol at comment: This is surprising.

19:15:55 deadweasel: So a guy who calls himself "Magical Tux" and describes himself as "PHP Developer working on some weird stuff, like a mail server (POP3/IMAP4/SMTP) written in PHP" was not able to build a reliable worldwide exchange?

19:16:04 nubbins`: HEH

19:16:06 nubbins`: "weird stuff"

19:16:09 Duffer1: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/176341-mt-gox-tries-to-pin-its-own-incompetence-on-bitcoin-bug

19:16:12 ozbot: Mt. Gox tries to pin its own incompetence on Bitcoin bug | ExtremeTech

19:16:13 Duffer1: hurray for extremetech

19:16:21 asciilifeform: so 'gox == btc' is still being farted out by Fucktard Press

19:16:43 deadweasel: !b1

19:16:52 deadweasel: fuckit

19:16:54 deadweasel: ;;fuckit

19:16:54 gribble: Error: "fuckit" is not a valid command.

19:16:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform will be for a while

19:17:10 nubbins`: Fucktard Press, Inc.

19:17:17 mircea_popescu: glbse = finance had been the rallying cry of the walking dead all through 2012

19:17:38 asciilifeform: prediction: a 'new, exciting' replacement, similar to gox circa 2012, will be inserted in its place

19:17:57 asciilifeform: once Fucktard Finance, Inc. cranks one out

19:18:29 nubbins`: a division of Fucktard Global

19:18:41 mircea_popescu: no wai, yo uthink ?!

19:19:45 asciilifeform: can't wait to see what other 'bugs' in the protocol 'must be fixed!' before 'our children and the homeland are safe'

19:20:39 asciilifeform: puzzle: why is gox not involved with alt-scams? i thought this was 'mandatory' for Fucktard Finance Inc. now.

19:21:12 deadweasel: did they ever implement litcoin?? Their saying they 'might' is involvment with altscams.

19:21:25 diametric: they did not

19:21:59 mike_c: hehe. fucktard press quotes could be as good as coinion. "bitcoin fatal flaw: transactions can't be reversed"

19:22:13 mike_c: http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/11/once-you-use-bitcoin-you-cant-go-back-and-that-irreversibility-is-its-fatal-flaw/

19:22:14 Duffer1: lol

19:22:14 ozbot: Once You Use Bitcoin You Can't Go 'Back' — And That's Its Fatal Flaw | Wired Opinion | Wired.com

19:22:15 asciilifeform: it is quite odd that gox never rolled out 'goxcoin'

19:22:22 diametric: At least some people seem to see through mtgox's bullshit

19:23:21 nubbins`: asciilifeform, i groan at the number of exchanges that support altscams

19:23:25 kakobrekla: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/suicide-bomber-kills-suicide-bomers

19:23:27 ozbot: Suicide Bomber Instructor Blows Up Suicide Bombers-In-Training

19:23:28 nubbins`: "hey a new canadian exchange! great!"

19:23:33 nubbins`: "...oh, they support doge"

19:23:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c they been running that shit since about 2012

19:23:58 mircea_popescu: something awful's talking points.

19:24:35 mircea_popescu: diametric from the get-go the entire scamset (mtgox and bfl and pirate and etc) were working together under the guise of the foundation thing.

19:25:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'bitcoin magazine' gang?

19:25:02 mircea_popescu: not particularly accidental that they vouched for the bfl scam, not happenstance that they still are covering for vessenes' frauds

19:25:09 nubbins`: i tell ya, the time is ripe for the Bitcoin Authority to rear its head

19:25:11 mircea_popescu: not coincidental that they're trying to cover for gox now.

19:25:19 nubbins`: shrem, karpopopopopolel, etc

19:25:20 mircea_popescu: and not at all unrelated to how we just ain't friends.

19:25:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myea.

19:26:40 asciilifeform: if these folks had half a brain, they'd be pushing the 'altscam to rule them all' about now.

19:26:49 mircea_popescu: now and again i take one of their guys, send him flying through three sheets of frozen glass, distribute the photos. it's really a lot of fun.

19:27:10 asciilifeform: complete with master keys (bonus if hidden), artificial infusions of fiat to pump up 'value', collaboration with governments...

19:27:11 jurov: who tf names their company coinsulting?

19:27:22 mircea_popescu: jurov ahaha they done got your nigger.txt one better

19:27:27 nubbins`: co-insulting

19:27:29 jurov: just got borderline lulzy spam from them

19:27:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they be kids.

19:27:41 jurov: Our firm Coinsulting Ltd. is first Crypto consulting agency specializing on compliance services for Bitcoin businesses. We advise our clients how to do their business legally all around the world. On March 22nd 2014, we are organizing a Bitcoin event in Shanghai, China called BTCrisis conference.

19:27:47 asciilifeform: 'expertSexchange'

19:27:53 nubbins`: heh

19:28:11 mircea_popescu: jurov conveniently omitting to name any of those clients which they advised

19:28:15 nubbins`: i dunno

19:28:17 nubbins`: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/gox-screen.jpg

19:28:22 mircea_popescu: was it what, bitfunder ? mtgox ? coinwhateveritwas ?

19:28:26 nubbins`: you trust a guy who sits on one of those, you deserve what you get

19:28:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins` when you're fat and you dork with computers a lot your lower back suffers.

19:29:05 nubbins`: sure, so stand up

19:29:31 nubbins`: you can tell he's forced the other guy to sit on one, too

19:29:31 asciilifeform: that rubber ball isn't a medical cure, it's a 'silicon valley' fucktard inc. 'dog whistle' signal.

19:29:45 nubbins`: "take a seat"

19:29:53 jurov: If you are interested in becoming a Coinsultant, this is a right time for you. Coinsulting family is growing same as Crypto Currencies do. In case you consider yourself being the right one, please send us your CV at careers@coinsulting.net

19:29:53 nubbins`: balls everywhere

19:29:57 jurov: hahahahaha

19:30:10 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it forces you to constantly adjust your vertical. it helps.

19:30:17 asciilifeform: wonder if andreesen horowitz (or whoever) actually issues those balls...

19:30:41 mircea_popescu: they probably have an approved brand

19:30:49 asciilifeform: i imagine it came out of somewhere quasi-rational, sure. but it seems to have this other purpose now, as well.

19:30:49 jurov: prolly i'll advise to rename themselves to coinslutants

19:31:16 benkay: sitting on a ball isn't going to fix the health problem of being obese.

19:31:19 nubbins`: ^

19:31:20 nubbins`: heh

19:31:28 wao-ender: coinsluts, right.

19:31:33 nubbins`: how he'll die young with good posture

19:31:34 benkay: fuckin priorities do you got 'em?

19:31:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument, more dogwhistle than anything by now

19:31:49 benkay: FUKKEN PRIORITIES!!!@1!

19:31:50 mircea_popescu: benkay i never fucked Priorities, no. is she hawt ?

19:31:58 nubbins`: hot, but always busy

19:32:04 mircea_popescu: mwh.

19:32:10 asciilifeform: eventually the ball will go out of fashion, and they will move to those treadmill-plus-laptop gadgets or somesuch.

19:32:25 KRS1: .bait

19:32:27 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6gk192gIf1qdwh13o1_500.jpg

19:32:52 KRS1: I think I've seen all of these...moar plz.

19:33:17 asciilifeform: any 'teledildonics' experts here? what's the state-of-the-art in exercise-powered diddling machines

19:33:22 nubbins`: ;;ud mwh

19:33:23 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=MWH+yo | ... home Nolifing WoW. mark as favorite buy nolifing mugs & shirts · computer games 1337 video speak by MWH yo January 31, 2009 add a video add an image ...

19:33:25 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Author MWH yo

19:33:51 nubbins`: asciilifeform, using a laptop on a treadmill is brutal

19:34:24 asciilifeform: nubbins`: could be made to work. 'chording keyboard' in the handlebars.

19:34:38 nubbins`: there ya go

19:35:03 kakobrekla: and move mouse with your dick

19:35:04 nubbins`: the whole "laptop tray across the bars" thing doesn't work

19:35:09 nubbins`: no arm support

19:35:14 nubbins`: bad for your neck too

19:35:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins` but what if you were solidly anchored in a 9 inch solid steel

19:35:41 mircea_popescu: buttplug ?

19:35:50 asciilifeform: ocular in place of laptop screen.

19:35:59 nubbins`: then you better not stop walking :D

19:36:01 mircea_popescu: could even have the error ding as a vibration

19:36:12 benkay: i want my display on one six-axis arm, and my kb on another. then i want the controller to optimize positioning of kb and monitor indpendently to optimize my posture.

19:36:19 benkay: and i want this thing to follow me everywhere.

19:36:29 mircea_popescu: and i want to shoot benkay

19:36:36 benkay: outta mah FACE

19:36:42 mircea_popescu: shot shot

19:36:44 mircea_popescu: in da butt

19:36:54 benkay: go home mircea_popescu you're drunk

19:37:16 mircea_popescu: drunk@home

19:37:19 mircea_popescu: should be a tumblr

19:37:29 nubbins`: distributed drinking

19:38:39 pankkake: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2014#495235 looks like everything he uses turns out to be a scam

19:38:43 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

19:38:50 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-shot-in-dominican-republic-as-manitoba-students-watch-1.2519822

19:38:52 ozbot: Canadian shot in Dominican Republic as Manitoba students watch - Manitoba - CBC News

19:39:01 pankkake: also, ATC sent to mod6

19:39:12 nubbins`: guy gets shot NINE TIMES while cracking heads

19:39:43 the20year3: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apo1scQacB7XdHd3UVh5MlhtUU1DY1ZlUEVDNG04d0E&usp=sharing

19:39:45 ozbot: Google Drive

19:40:15 mircea_popescu: pankkake some peeps are lucky like that

19:40:24 mircea_popescu: you can usually recognise them by how they rant @mpoe-pr

19:40:28 mircea_popescu: and ty.

19:40:58 mod6: thx pankkake!

19:41:16 pankkake: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2014/02/10/why-mtgox-is-full-of-shit/

19:41:17 ozbot: Why Mt. Gox is full of shit - joepie91's Ramblings

19:41:47 pankkake: interesting, blaming Bitcoin, like bitfunder

19:42:04 mircea_popescu: derp.

19:42:14 asciilifeform: the otherwise-inconsequential 'tx id' shenanigans: is that how satoshidice was pwned?

19:42:26 mircea_popescu: inb4 karpeles comes out in march with a "well we can't say anything but not even bitfunder said anything yet so"

19:42:35 asciilifeform: (if i recall, they fed their PRNG tx id for a seed)

19:42:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was sd pwned ?

19:42:57 the20year3: Who's running a scam?

19:43:00 asciilifeform: pwned in the sense of certain people taking home astronomically-improbable winnings

19:43:07 nubbins`: the20year3, almost everyone

19:43:08 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, you're right

19:43:10 mircea_popescu: not quite afaik

19:43:15 the20year3: is this TAT's fund or someone else's?

19:43:36 mircea_popescu: the20year3 follow the link eh. it's some greg guy on the forum

19:44:42 wao-ender: v0v, so, gox is out of business by delisting from price trackers, imma right?

19:45:08 diametric: gox will live on as people trade non-existent bitcoins internal to their platform.

19:45:13 mircea_popescu: wao-ender end of the road for them yea

19:45:31 mircea_popescu: in a sense they had been slowly being decoupled from btc economy since april 2013.

19:45:42 wao-ender: end of line (c) Tron.

19:45:43 mircea_popescu: it was well managed in that the eventual final shock surprised/shocked no one

19:45:48 asciilifeform: they'll simply 'repay' their chumps in 'goxcoin', as soon as mr. k gets gcc working on his box.

19:45:57 wao-ender: yeah, also I was well played, controlled implosion.

19:46:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you even compile gcc in php ?

19:46:38 asciilifeform: they'll use that online 'alcoin generator', as soon as it gets a '100% premined' ticky-box in the menu.

19:47:08 Dimsler_: karples that fat fucking nerd

19:47:17 Dimsler_: can't way till hes out of the fucking picture

19:47:24 asciilifeform: 'ponzigen.com' ?

19:47:52 asciilifeform: or, for the techno-trendiness points, 'mkponzi'

19:49:16 asciilifeform: for extra fee, will pump (and dump) automagically...

19:49:43 wao-ender: these guys http://cryptortrust.com/ looks like scam to me. Do someone know them?

19:50:19 mircea_popescu: nop

19:50:44 twizt: wao-ender:

19:50:45 pankkake: Cryptor Trust Inc. ‘s <- can't use correct typography, scam

19:51:00 twizt: do u trust ur own financial advisor

19:51:01 twizt: ?

19:54:40 jurov: in coinslutants we trust

19:55:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.047 = 0.658 BTC [-]

19:56:11 benkay: in sluts we trust.

19:56:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04897954 = 0.2939 BTC [+] {2}

20:00:01 ThickAsThieves: <the20year3> is this TAT's fund or someone else's? ---- it was referring to Dr Greg

20:00:16 deadweasel: ;;getrating slut-trust

20:00:16 gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating

20:01:07 ThickAsThieves: i'm no longer destitute

20:01:10 ThickAsThieves: i haz ATCs

20:02:27 deadweasel: not destitute, prostitute

20:02:43 ThickAsThieves: "The only way to quickly buy bitcoins requires cash: a consuming, hastle-prone step." how you know an article is garbage

20:03:03 pankkake: ;;ud slut

20:03:03 pankkake: uh.

20:03:03 pankkake: well it would have shown "a woman with the morals of a man"

20:03:30 ThickAsThieves: "Even at a 10 billion dollar market cap — the peak achieved by Beanie Babies in 1999 — bitcoin is almost irrelevant in financial terms."

20:03:46 pankkake: "Someone who provides a very needed service for the community"

20:04:53 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who's that ?

20:05:15 ThickAsThieves: Wired

20:05:22 mircea_popescu: i need a name.

20:05:25 ThickAsThieves: sec

20:05:27 mircea_popescu: for my little black book.

20:05:45 asciilifeform: pederasts.txt ?

20:05:46 pankkake: you might want to do a whilelist instead

20:06:00 ThickAsThieves: @NCWeaver

20:06:02 mircea_popescu: nicholas Weaver

20:06:09 mircea_popescu: pankkake but i don't.

20:06:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, just preparing the workrolls for the uranium mines of the future.

20:06:22 ThickAsThieves: wot does that

20:06:45 mircea_popescu: kiddos born in the "you can do anything" utopia have little idea just how much impact deeds and misdeeds actually have on their own future.

20:06:55 asciilifeform: aha. plenty of yellow mud left at Butugichag for these folks.

20:07:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00298729 = 0.4182 BTC [+] {3}

20:07:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.02501001 = 0.4002 BTC [-] {3}

20:08:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.557 BTC [+]

20:09:07 benkay: yikes.

20:11:04 the20year3: I haven't read much on dr greg

20:11:15 ThickAsThieves: he says a lot of words when he talk

20:11:17 ThickAsThieves: s

20:11:41 ThickAsThieves: he's probably Deprived when sober

20:11:42 the20year3: In my brother's short 15 minute conversation with DHL ,the rep/head sure did seem to understand the massive benefit to acceptance

20:12:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13513 @ 0.00086072 = 11.6309 BTC [+]

20:13:55 mircea_popescu: generally it's not that they don't understand the benefits of acceptance.

20:14:02 moiety: evenin'

20:14:03 mircea_popescu: generally it's that they don't understand the benefits of submission

20:14:20 mircea_popescu: they can't put up with the notion that much smarter, much better people are there to lead them, so they end up with issues such as starting alt coins,

20:14:25 mircea_popescu: "waiting for adoption"

20:14:27 mircea_popescu: etc etc.

20:16:08 mircea_popescu: moiety heya

20:17:12 benkay: o/ moiety

20:19:20 moiety: how are we all and am i speaking in the correct language today?

20:20:16 mircea_popescu: ja je bent

20:20:39 davout: spreek jij ook nu nederlands heh?

20:20:55 davout: leuk

20:21:00 mircea_popescu: een beetje :D

20:21:08 mike_c: damn, JD investors kicking ass last few months. nov/dec/jan returns are 4%, 5.2%, 6.5%

20:21:20 mircea_popescu: .jd

20:21:25 pankkake: !jd

20:21:46 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered

20:21:46 Duffer1: nokawa stop gambling?

20:21:46 mircea_popescu: a ok

20:21:46 pankkake: I think so

20:21:50 mircea_popescu: derp

20:21:57 mircea_popescu: mike_c did it reach ev yet or notrly ?

20:22:17 pankkake: Doge-Dice looks even more profitable than Just-Dice though :p

20:22:24 mike_c: it's been tracking pretty closely last few months

20:22:25 mike_c: https://bitcoinproject.net/justdice.php

20:22:42 mircea_popescu: arguably the jd risk is actually > mpbond risk

20:23:21 mircea_popescu: then again i guess arguably the reverse is true too

20:23:23 mike_c: hm. how would you argue that? :)

20:24:25 mircea_popescu: which of the two ?

20:24:51 mike_c: jd risk > mpbor risk

20:25:04 mike_c: i know how to quantify jd risk. mpbor i'm still floundering a bit..

20:25:06 mircea_popescu: jd bot takes 1% margin. mpbot takes significantly more.,

20:25:38 mjr_: mircea_popescu: i just saw you have a euro future, nice

20:25:48 mjr_: was wondering what the index was for options now

20:25:49 nubbins`: i had a dream that i visited romania last night

20:25:55 nubbins`: very nice country, lots of red roofs

20:26:06 mircea_popescu: mjr_ same as always, bitcoincahrts

20:26:10 mike_c: that's only one piece of the risk though, volatility on mpbor is so unpredictable.

20:26:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` there are.

20:26:18 mjr_: mircea_popescu: does that include gox then?

20:26:19 davout: mircea_popescu: i'd argue it's easier to measure the risk on something random, uniformly distributed than on something chaotic

20:26:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c i did say "arguably" did i

20:26:24 mike_c: yes

20:26:33 mircea_popescu: davout how do you know it's uniformly distributed in the first place ?

20:26:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]

20:26:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

20:27:00 mircea_popescu: mjr_ not anymore afaik

20:27:04 davout: the JD rolls

20:27:09 mircea_popescu: yes, the jd rolls.

20:27:16 davout: aren't they?

20:27:19 moiety: Ik moet deze taal kennen. Ik ben geboren in Nederland. nokawa is the whale high roller man right?

20:27:25 mircea_popescu: that's not the point lol. how do you know they are ?

20:27:26 mike_c: but the risk on JD is all about the whales

20:27:32 mike_c: and they are not uniformly distributed

20:27:34 davout: moiety: waar in nederland ?

20:27:41 davout: mircea_popescu: because of the way it's computed

20:27:49 mircea_popescu: what, a wizard did it ?

20:27:52 mircea_popescu: either show it or don't show it.

20:28:18 mike_c: but rolls != volatility. rolls being uniformly distributed does not mean returns will be predictable.

20:28:43 kakobrekla: !jd

20:28:44 assbot: Just-Dice stat: 13119 BTC profit, 40.1k BTC invested, 611.46 mio bets, 4.97 mio BTC wagered

20:28:46 mircea_popescu: mike_c even sidestepping the whale issue. who told you that the way they compute is actually uniformly distributed ?

20:29:04 mircea_popescu: whoa that's awful, -70% ?

20:29:17 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 13119 / 49700

20:29:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.119 BTC [+]

20:29:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

20:29:35 mike_c: the only concern for an investor would be that their computation method has an exploitable flaw

20:29:47 davout: what i'm trying to say is that the returns on JD are based on something random, on which you can use statistics to infer stuff, on the other hand, market prices are not random, but chaotic, hence it not being comparable

20:29:51 mike_c: that is greater than 1% edge.

20:29:59 mjr_: still looks like mt gox is part of bitcoincharts

20:30:04 mjr_: but i haven't verified it yet

20:30:04 mircea_popescu: davout just because something is based on something random you can't actually proclaim it uniform tho

20:30:19 mircea_popescu: f(x) = x + rnd(x) is based on something random and quite biased

20:30:20 mjr_: its listed under USD markets...

20:30:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.55092307 = 7.162 BTC [-] {5}

20:30:32 davout: the distribution is irrelavant, what i'm saying is that there is one

20:30:41 mircea_popescu: ok so there is one.

20:30:53 davout: whereas on chaotic values there is no distribution, no mean, no standard deviation etc

20:30:57 mircea_popescu: ><

20:31:02 mircea_popescu: what are you, like new ?

20:31:43 davout: talk to me like i'm five, or a golden retriever for that matter

20:31:47 mircea_popescu: any set has a mean.

20:31:59 davout: any finite set has a mean

20:32:04 mircea_popescu: once it has a mean, any element of that set has a sdev

20:32:17 mircea_popescu: what, you're proposing jd is working on infinite sets ?

20:32:44 davout: no, i'm saying there are fundamental differences in random values, and chaotic values

20:32:57 davout: s/in/between/

20:32:58 mircea_popescu: such as ?

20:33:17 jurov: jd game will always be between 1 and 65565

20:33:23 jurov: whereas bitcoin price ?

20:33:29 davout: them not obeying the usual laws of statistics

20:33:36 mike_c: yeah, but nobody cares what the rolls are, we care about investor returns.

20:33:38 mircea_popescu: what is this, mysticity ?

20:33:49 davout: hang on, gonna fish that book about chaos i read a while ago, really really interesting read

20:33:56 mircea_popescu: jurov but any option will be worth between itself and nothing

20:34:33 mike_c: it only matters if investor returns on JD are predictable. which 1) they are if there are a bunch of small bettors, 2) they are not if there are whales.

20:35:04 mircea_popescu: anyway. this discussion is not really resolvable, hence the arguables early on

20:35:11 mircea_popescu: we could talk about it 4evar

20:35:31 mike_c: before we shut it down, i've been trying to figure out how mpbor capital needs are calculated.

20:35:47 mike_c: you confused me the other day when you said the put sales didn't trigger a capital need by mpoe

20:36:09 benkay: largest amount of btc needed to cover positions over the course of the month, right?

20:36:30 mike_c: oh, so it only triggers a capital need if the price moves adversely?

20:36:37 mircea_popescu: mike_c i said that ?!

20:36:49 davout: mircea_popescu: this guy, read it if you haven't already -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science

20:37:18 mircea_popescu: benkay yes.

20:37:22 mircea_popescu: mike_c say wut ?

20:37:26 mike_c: i will fish it out of logs

20:37:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73750 @ 0.00085915 = 63.3623 BTC [-] {5}

20:37:54 benkay: chaos theory is the best theory

20:38:00 nubbins`: nonlinear differential equations

20:38:03 davout: o/

20:38:05 nubbins`: did a course on them in uni

20:38:10 nubbins`: fun stuff

20:38:31 benkay: indeed indeed

20:38:49 benkay: fun programming exercise: make a thing that demonstrates "real" chaos

20:39:11 nubbins`: aha, found a casascius buyer!

20:39:14 mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479378

20:39:18 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

20:39:23 nubbins`: these things actually turned out to be a pretty good investment

20:39:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00085677 = 32.2146 BTC [-] {3}

20:39:47 mike_c: mircea_popescu:nah cause they're sales see << maybe you were referring to something else

20:40:16 jurov: these options were covered by seller, not by mpoe

20:41:03 mike_c: right, but mpoe had to buy them, where did that money come from?

20:41:29 nubbins`: doge

20:42:26 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah seriously.

20:42:48 mircea_popescu: whosoever sells an option has first to create it, which takes collateral. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month.

20:43:06 mircea_popescu: whosoever buys an option must has the btc to pay for it. in the case of mpbot this goes into its collateral needs for the month

20:43:20 mircea_popescu: at the end of the month the widest berth of that collateral need is taken as "the needed collatera" figure

20:44:03 mike_c: ok, so by purchasing those options it did trigger a capital need that bondholders will collect interest on. right?

20:44:14 mircea_popescu: yep

20:44:16 mike_c: k, thx

20:45:30 mircea_popescu: Feb 04 22:05:18 <jurov> !t m ^oix

20:45:30 mircea_popescu: Feb 04 22:05:19 <jurov> ..computing...

20:45:30 mircea_popescu: Feb 04 22:05:19 <assbot> [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 122.22370491 / 121.39535668 / 120.63410743 (14 shares, 0.61 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)

20:45:30 mircea_popescu: Feb 04 22:05:57 <mircea_popescu> nah cause they're sales see

20:45:41 mircea_popescu: it was in response to jurov's command. they wouldn't show in oix cause they're sales.

20:47:08 nubbins`: supposing there's a month where no collateral is needed, bondholders collect no interest?

20:47:37 mircea_popescu: yea

20:48:05 mircea_popescu: just like you know, if nobody plays on jd for a month investors collect no interest

20:51:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2494 @ 0.00018991 = 0.4736 BTC [-] {2}

20:51:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00543898 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {2}

20:52:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1228 @ 0.00018992 = 0.2332 BTC [+] {2}

20:52:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02501002 = 0.1251 BTC [+]

21:10:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00019676 = 0.1968 BTC [+] {5}

21:19:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]

21:20:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57998273 = 2.8999 BTC [+] {4}

21:21:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58499977 BTC [+]

21:21:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3}

21:21:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [-] {2}

21:21:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

21:22:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.11916666 = 0.3575 BTC [+] {3}

21:22:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

21:23:52 mike_c: too bad nobody seems to put on that play. watching the movie instead seems like a bad idea.

21:24:24 nubbins`: what play

21:24:33 Shakespeare: The devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape.

21:24:36 mike_c: merchant of venice.

21:24:44 nubbins`: ah

21:25:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3}

21:29:06 Shakespeare: http://www.bing.com/blogs/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2014/02/10/coinbit.aspx

21:29:08 ozbot: Bitcoin Conversion Now Live - Search Blog

21:29:38 nubbins`: was about to lel @ .aspx until i noticed the domain

21:30:01 dub: the fuck is bing

21:30:11 nubbins`: microsoft google

21:30:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]

21:30:55 dub: yeah but

21:31:33 mircea_popescu: mike_c the al pacino movie is almost ok

21:31:37 mircea_popescu: but the play itself is great.

21:31:57 nubbins`: they were the first search engine to do thumbnail video previews!

21:32:08 asciilifeform: when do we get 'microshit coin' ?

21:32:18 mircea_popescu: yet there's no search engine doing gif video encoding on teh fly

21:32:28 nubbins`: mircea_popescu, a loss for us all

21:32:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never because fuctards are more interested in "saving the world" in the shape of doing something or the other in africa

21:32:42 mircea_popescu: as if.

21:32:49 nubbins`: meantime, GIMP is capable gif creator

21:33:00 Shakespeare: actually

21:33:01 nubbins`: you append the name of each layer with a time in milliseconds

21:33:06 nubbins`: e.g. Layer1 (5ms)

21:33:09 nubbins`: save as .gif

21:33:16 Shakespeare: Bill Gates: "Over the next 5 years I think digital money will catch on in India and parts of Africa and help the poorest a lot."

21:33:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

21:33:54 mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://xmodulo.com/2013/11/convert-video-animated-gif-image-linux.html

21:34:00 Shakespeare: The motions of his spirit are as dull as night..

21:34:04 mircea_popescu: it's just two lines in an awk

21:34:18 mircea_popescu: but most of the world doesn't have linux cause they live in the poor world which gates helped.

21:34:29 nubbins`: oh hey, look

21:35:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall your essay on 'the cost of linux' ?

21:35:37 BingoBoingo: Shylock should have been the hero

21:35:38 asciilifeform: or was that here in the channel

21:35:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. nevertheless, insteaf of teaching the fucktarded horde to chant "white privilege" "global warming" "feed the hungry"

21:36:13 mircea_popescu: you could just as well teach them to chant "ffmpeg" "awk" "youtube-dt" etc

21:36:20 mircea_popescu: purely arbitrary what they chant.

21:36:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shylock was the hero.

21:36:57 mircea_popescu: who do you figure the hero was, portia ?

21:37:00 mircea_popescu: she's just "nature"

21:37:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, he lost in that travesty of fiat justice at the end

21:37:07 mircea_popescu: nah nah not at all.

21:37:17 BingoBoingo: I figured the hero was the storms that sunk the ships

21:37:21 asciilifeform: bonus points for anybody who can crap out a scripting language where all valid proggys are chantable.

21:37:26 mircea_popescu: portia ie athena points out to him that mere words without context decay into meaninglessness

21:37:31 mircea_popescu: "have you a surgeon ? " "tis not in the bond"

21:37:36 asciilifeform: (herr moldbug sort of tried this, half-heartedly)

21:37:39 mircea_popescu: "neither is any leverage for blood spilling on the ground"

21:37:51 mircea_popescu: in this she has a point, and so shylock has learned something new about contracts.

21:38:39 BingoBoingo: I haven't thought much about that play in about a decade

21:39:08 mircea_popescu: it's actually very deep

21:39:18 mircea_popescu: just, the ripeness of its depth is not directly observable for bitcoin noobs

21:39:23 mircea_popescu: which is... everyone up until 2012 or so

21:39:41 mircea_popescu: but otherwise... this is art, that's how you know it : you only find out later hw deep it really was.

21:40:14 asciilifeform: the 'eternally noobile' are almost a species unto themselves.

21:40:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085547 = 2.8231 BTC [-]

21:40:48 mircea_popescu: bassaro and the other ghuy are mere puppets, nessie even says to her guy

21:40:56 mircea_popescu: "you're lucky i'm not hearing you"

21:41:06 mircea_popescu: i say this to my slaves all the time.

21:42:55 Shakespeare: maybe you'd prefer, "have your mouth fill'd up. Before you open it."

21:43:07 mircea_popescu: lol

21:45:48 mircea_popescu: words in principle are meaningless, and cultural references idem could serve both a thesis and its anti

21:46:09 mircea_popescu: ("a new daniel has come!" "a daniel, thank you for teaching me a new word!")

21:46:19 mircea_popescu: which is why self-enforcing contracts are such ridiculous nonsense.

21:47:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.0008611 = 5.6833 BTC [+]

21:48:25 jurov: ;;seen namworld

21:57:00 pankkake: ;;seen gribble

21:57:09 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/FEgSzma.gif

21:59:55 deadweasel: davout: read that when I was 18, changed everything.

21:59:58 Dimsler_: lol

22:00:00 Dimsler_: i got 2 of those

22:00:07 Dimsler_: long haired

22:00:28 Apocalyptic: deadweasel, you read what ?

22:01:30 pizzaman1337: Apocalyptic: davout mentioned this earlier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science

22:01:41 deadweasel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos:_Making_a_New_Science

22:01:42 ozbot: Chaos: Making a New Science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

22:01:43 Apocalyptic: missed the link, thanks

22:01:51 deadweasel: np

22:03:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.118 BTC [-]

22:03:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

22:07:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0765 = 0.153 BTC [-] {2}

22:07:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.118 = 0.236 BTC [-]

22:10:18 davout: Apocalyptic pizzaman1337 deadweasel this book is really really awesome, order it now, do it

22:10:35 davout: (for those who haven't read it already :-) )

22:11:51 Shakespeare: Mark Zuckerberg, Wife Were Most Generous Philanthropists In 2013

22:12:32 deadweasel: in fact, buy two, give one to an idiot.

22:12:45 deadweasel: or loved one, or both, should that be the case

22:14:31 Shakespeare: Hide not thy poison with such sugar'd words, Mark.

22:18:21 mircea_popescu: ;p;

22:21:07 BingoBoingo: https://imgflip.com/gif/6pd9p

22:22:37 Shakespeare: ;;goxlag

22:22:38 gribble: MtGox lag is 1488.827797 seconds. During this time, light travels 2.98359423544 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Ceres (in the main asteroid belt) (2.77 AU).

22:28:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00085649 = 29.292 BTC [-]

22:28:21 Shakespeare: "Michael Gronager, COO from Kraken, a U.S.-based exchange that currently specializes in trading euros for bitcoin, said attacks that exploit transaction malleability have grown rapidly from being almost non-existent in the bitcoin economy a couple of weeks ago to 4,000 false claims for non-payment on Sunday alone."

22:28:40 Shakespeare: specializes in trading euros for bitcoin

22:28:52 Shakespeare: U.S.-based exchange

22:29:15 deadweasel: so it is an auto-bot

22:29:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 2145 @ 0.0055 = 11.7975 BTC

22:29:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04824967 = 0.1447 BTC [-]

22:29:20 deadweasel: wisely exploited

22:29:44 Shakespeare: "Okay, dogecoiners, you got us. It may surprise people who don’t even know about bitcoin to learn that there are number of alternative, electronic currencies out there. They include litecoin, Ripples, Mastercoin, Quark, the soon-to-come auroracoin (for Icelanders)…and dogecoin, a newcomer that started out just in December as something of a joke"

22:29:49 Shakespeare: ~WSJ

22:30:18 Shakespeare: no mention of Altcoin wtf

22:30:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]

22:30:33 dub: inexcusable

22:31:13 dub: clearly this 'wall street' knows nothing of finance

22:31:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.121 = 0.363 BTC [+] {3}

22:31:27 Shakespeare: they mentioned Ripples after all

22:31:45 Shakespeare: doge i can understandf

22:36:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00085904 = 11.4252 BTC [+]

22:36:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.19376446 = 3.8753 BTC [+]

22:37:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC

22:38:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1215 BTC [+]

22:43:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]

22:46:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1215 BTC [+]

22:48:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+]

22:48:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.12175 = 2.1915 BTC [+]

22:51:14 dub: http://rt.com/news/us-military-sex-abuse-281/

22:51:30 dub: do they have maff in russia

22:54:12 dub: comments..

22:56:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04897953 = 1.4694 BTC [+]

22:57:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.12279999 = 1.228 BTC [+] {4}

22:58:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16585 @ 0.00085868 = 14.2412 BTC [-]

22:59:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1249 BTC [+]

23:00:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [+]

23:01:24 kakobrekla: look what i found on rt , since you linked it

23:01:27 kakobrekla: http://rt.com/usa/bitcoin-florida-laundering-arrest-431/

23:01:51 kakobrekla: exchange couple of btc and get fucked.

23:02:13 kakobrekla: Espinoza, prosecutors allege, arranged such a deal with an undercover agent in early December in which that officer paid $500 for 0.403 BTC, in turn generating a profit of around $83.67 for the seller. Investigators then arranged for a second transaction to occur days later, that time purchasing 1 BTC for $1,000 and earning Espinoza around $167.56 through fees as a result.

23:02:27 kakobrekla: OH MY 160 bucks terrorists!

23:03:47 dub: cryptoterrorists

23:04:08 dub: a messican and cunukistani, what were they even doing in gods great nation

23:04:47 Shakespeare: shitty

23:04:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0549995 = 0.385 BTC [+] {2}

23:05:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.05504657 = 0.8257 BTC [+] {4}

23:06:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.05509999 = 0.6612 BTC [+] {3}

23:07:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05509999 = 0.2204 BTC [+]

23:08:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.07271427 = 0.509 BTC [+] {4}

23:09:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]

23:10:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1212 = 0.2424 BTC [-]

23:11:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08349998 = 0.501 BTC [+] {4}

23:15:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]

23:18:00 mircea_popescu: basically this is butthurt over btc not giving a shit.

23:18:21 mircea_popescu: "and then i said to him, we intend to break the us law, your honor, and he said i don't give a shit about this us you speak of"

23:18:27 mircea_popescu: "BURN THE WITCH!!1"

23:19:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1225 BTC [-]

23:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 1 @ 0.6125182 BTC [+]

23:23:30 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456983.msg5055951#msg5055951 bwhaha

23:23:48 Duffer1: "and allows for near-perfect anonymity. " uhh...

23:24:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

23:24:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1760 @ 0.00019089 = 0.336 BTC [-] {5}

23:26:14 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 16 @ 0.61133429 = 9.7813 BTC [-]

23:26:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.0008611 = 0.3444 BTC [+]

23:26:16 mircea_popescu: "Of course, all i am saying is true. Just wait, time will tell. I am not here to scam anyone. Period."

23:26:17 mircea_popescu: derp

23:27:15 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 10 @ 0.61133429 = 6.1133 BTC [-]

23:29:46 mike_c: ^ it can't go any lower!

23:30:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00086137 = 18.261 BTC [+]

23:31:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018992 = 0.1899 BTC [-] {3}

23:31:39 mircea_popescu: mebbe not

23:35:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, re the earlier money laundering bs

23:35:37 mircea_popescu: unless the state gets a plea bargain they're going to be humiliated at trial.

23:35:52 mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no way a judge actually even hears the case of 500 dollars "money laundering"

23:35:57 mircea_popescu: cause some dood sold some online shit

23:36:09 KRS1: ridiculous

23:36:15 Mats_cd03: how optimistic

23:36:18 mircea_popescu: either that or they're getting all the WoW sword of x "money laundering" cases into their state,

23:36:23 mircea_popescu: and they'll never see the end of that docket.

23:37:11 mircea_popescu: then the media frenzy of "the state of florida spent $195,000 taxpayer dollars to harass some random guy playing online, and got laughed out of court for it"

23:37:36 mircea_popescu: "meanwhile we have 8739843 unresolved rapes, murders, arson, kidnapping, robbery and assaults"

23:38:26 assbot: [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P440T] 7 @ 0.61135724 = 4.2795 BTC [+]

23:38:34 mircea_popescu: but i guess the settlement culture being what it is... they figure they got a shot.

23:39:48 KRS1: Of the 50 states, I'll admit, Florida is different with reguard to legislation..but certainly not the worst. Has something to do with being part of the historical "deep south".

23:40:58 mircea_popescu: regardless of that, tho.

23:41:26 mircea_popescu: it's quite visible what happened there, mongoloid cops went to the da with their "investigation", da told them he won't prosecute

23:41:39 mircea_popescu: so they went back and derped about 57439875983489 dollars and IDENTITY THEFT etc

23:41:58 mircea_popescu: the da hasn't passed on it for w/e reason, but it's hardly a case.

23:43:09 asciilifeform: 'law' is a distinctly poor description of the mechanism at work here

23:43:25 asciilifeform: 'article 58' of the soviet penal code was also 'law,' used in this exact way.

23:43:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04897952 = 0.1469 BTC [-] {2}

23:43:52 asciilifeform: ('Lettre de cachet' for troublemakers)

23:46:06 mircea_popescu: dude get out.

23:46:24 mircea_popescu: first off, the entire state of florida is not cool enough to issue one single such magical device per annum

23:46:51 mircea_popescu: second off, derpy mc derp, police officer of 88 iq is DEFINITELY not the firestarter there.

23:46:58 asciilifeform: certainly not.

23:47:21 asciilifeform: but you set up the muppet theatre 'with the muppets you have, not the muppets you wish you had.'

23:47:36 mircea_popescu: nah, the entire thing is well... scare the malfeasants for a coupla days, they look dorky, who knows what info they have to share.

23:48:01 mircea_popescu: the proper way a police is run since about 500bc

23:48:16 asciilifeform: 'operative methods,' yes.

23:48:21 mircea_popescu: myeah.

23:49:29 asciilifeform: which is why the 'perfect dpr' owns no computer, neither do his friends, and is, in fact: a dentist. (whose name we will never learn.)

23:51:08 jurov: everyone, upon stumbling on the malleable tx myself i can explain where is the problem exactly

23:51:17 mircea_popescu: jurov shoot

23:51:35 jurov: bitcoind listtransactions normally doesn't show duplicates

23:51:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22715 @ 0.0008594 = 19.5213 BTC [-]

23:51:42 jurov: er.. double spends

23:51:50 jurov: but it does show diddled txs.

23:51:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you know the perfect man joke ?

23:52:02 jurov: even after one of them confirms

23:52:10 mircea_popescu: so ?

23:52:12 jurov: and even in 0.9.0rc1

23:52:18 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ?

23:52:53 jurov: so anyone who accepts zeroconf and uses listtransactions is hosed

23:53:04 mircea_popescu: doh ?

23:53:05 jurov: there is no indication its the same tx

23:53:10 mircea_popescu: how is this news or anything ?

23:53:20 deadweasel: only to gox

23:53:25 mircea_popescu: amply documented since before i made mpex cause i knew of it at the time

23:53:42 mircea_popescu: "i distinctly remember ppl going no what, seriously ?! you misunderstood something"

23:53:44 KRS1: what was I thinking of..money laundering isn't handled by the state anyway, only the charge could be filed but the prosecution is handled in federal court.

23:54:10 KRS1: Do you guys remember Robocop moviee from the 1980's?

23:54:12 mircea_popescu: KRS1 yup. prolly the policemen get paid regardless, just for making up charges or some shit.

23:54:13 jurov: i didn't knew that, for one. but i am not doing zeroconf anyway

23:54:20 jurov: various dice sites, tho...

23:54:22 KRS1: Yeah exctly.

23:54:29 KRS1: I don't remember this scene from Robocop: http://efukt.com/21126_I_don%27t_remember_this_in_Robocop.html

23:54:30 deadweasel: part of that was filmed in the George r brown convention center in houston,tx

23:54:33 KRS1: Penis everywhere.

23:54:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46700 @ 0.00085637 = 39.9925 BTC [-] {2}

23:54:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform new men supermarket opens in a town, where women can come and simply buy themselves a boyfriend. first floor : "Here are guys who like beer and watching tv". 2nd floor : sensitive guys who only want to hug and hang out. 3rd floor : all the women, and a huge panel : This floor only exists to show you you can never be satisfied.

23:55:17 KRS1: haha

23:56:30 mircea_popescu: jurov if you want i can prolly dig up some diddled txn to my addies

23:56:51 deadweasel: would make a nice post, no?

23:57:06 mircea_popescu: incidentally : CORRECTLY DESIGNED BITCOIN SITES, SUCH AS MPEx, that use tx encoding in the payment ARE IMMUNE TO THIS, and many other bugs.

23:57:44 mircea_popescu: for yet another page in the "what's mpex got anyway".