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00:00:32 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/201.html

00:00:33 assbot: #201 - A Page Right Out of History ... ( http://bit.ly/1veNave )

00:00:35 mircea_popescu: also not bad.

00:01:18 mircea_popescu: you know, somebody should do this as a service. comic strip summarizer. watch them all, pick the i dunno, 1% worth a chuchle.

00:13:23 lobbes: Took me all weekend, but I am now in control of my own IRC bouncer. Now to configure it properly...

00:13:34 BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << Not even a proper amphetamine

00:15:07 BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << SOrry thought you said Ritalin. Adderal is a racemic mixture of Levo and Dex amphetamines. The levo reduces the "abuse potential"

00:16:38 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc. << Methyl group makes it have a greater affinity for particular subsets of norepinephrine and dopamine receptors. For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run

00:18:37 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.84351 BTC. Current weight: 73,009.

00:19:59 BingoBoingo: As to why ritalin is not an amphetamine, simply compare its picture to the ones asciilifeform posted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphenidate#mediaviewer/File:Methylphenidate-2D-skeletal.svg

00:20:02 assbot: Methylphenidate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1veP6nj )

00:27:44 BingoBoingo: http://web.archive.org/web/20011021072312/http://www.dyncorp-is.com/darpa/meetings/win98aug/wars.html

00:27:46 assbot: NT Religious Wars ... ( http://bit.ly/1veQ2Iq )

00:28:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55950 @ 0.00040087 = 22.4287 BTC [+] {3}

00:28:35 BingoBoingo: "For all intents and purposes, it is reasonable to assume that all of DARPA?s customers already use computers in their work. Furthermore, they have been using computers for years. They have developed their own procedures and policies that are not conveniently switched to a different operating environment at the drop of a hat. And they are all using Windows. They are all using Windows because it is the superior choice for Intel-h

00:28:35 BingoBoingo: ardware operating systems for na?ve users. The reason, however, is irrelevant, because the fact remains that users are using Windows."

00:42:00 BingoBoingo: "This dilemma is particularly strong for researchers in the areas of operating systems and networking, two areas in which Windows NT is considered to be especially weak. With DARPA project lifetimes typically in the two- or three-year range, PIs must swallow hard before agreeing to take two giant steps back in order to begin their research on a Windows NT technology base."

00:54:01 mircea_popescu: if somebody still has a twitter account, be a kitten tweet my last @maigov to see some really embarassed romanian police.

00:56:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run << afaik no one has conclusively shown that it's the methyl rather than the sleeping-once-a-week, rotgut booze, and vd

00:56:27 asciilifeform: see earlier thread re: co-morbidity etc

00:56:41 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/564951001728569344

00:56:42 assbot: /maigov I stumbled across this http://t.co/MbM32fRoR5

00:57:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, much of the meth toxixity literature is from 1940's and 1950's when it was prefered USG go pill before being replaced by gentler amphetamines

00:58:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like all three would still apply if population is u.s. soldiers ?

00:58:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo danke

00:59:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps, but it would be very un-USG of the era to not be running trials in parallel with minimal disclosure

01:03:31 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l000l!

01:03:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitwiseshiftleft/sjcl/commit/ac0b3fe0 << it ?

01:03:36 assbot: Make use of default operator · ac0b3fe · bitwiseshiftleft/sjcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQSZGr )

01:03:52 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codru%c8%9ba-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/

01:04:09 asciilifeform: yes, re: ^

01:04:21 asciilifeform: or was the pw 'we are orcs'

01:04:48 mircea_popescu: well guess ?

01:05:00 mircea_popescu: to help you guess :

01:05:00 asciilifeform: the latter

01:05:14 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/

01:05:15 assbot: Law enforcement never fails to unintentionally entertain pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQTobT )

01:05:17 mircea_popescu: right.

01:05:30 asciilifeform: ahahaha.

01:05:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, the general point here being : we investigate too.

01:07:15 asciilifeform: poor idiots.

01:07:25 asciilifeform: sparrow in microwave horn.

01:07:37 mircea_popescu: orly.

01:08:02 asciilifeform: from the story told thus far - what else.

01:08:32 mircea_popescu: dude, don't tell me stories. policeman thinks 120% is koshert ?

01:08:56 mircea_popescu: anyway, the so called "Departamentul de Informaţii şi Protecţie Internă" ie, informations & internal protection dept is the biggest loser here.

01:09:00 mircea_popescu: as they DIDNT know.

01:09:06 asciilifeform: or knew and had cut ?

01:09:13 asciilifeform: as is orcish sop ?

01:09:53 mircea_popescu: i know they didn't know.

01:09:57 mircea_popescu: i don't infer they didn't.

01:10:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu also knows that they give a damn ?

01:10:51 mircea_popescu: i know they don't, but that is quite besides the point innit ? http://www.dgipi.ro/articole/articol.php?idarticol=1233 << this is their latest.

01:10:52 assbot: DGIPI - Direcția Generală de Informații și Protecție Internă ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQUwfG )

01:11:07 mircea_popescu: rural policeman reported the attempted bribe by some guy that cut 1.7 cubic meters of wood illegally.

01:11:48 mircea_popescu: suma de 1000 lei = ~1 btc's worth.

01:12:03 mircea_popescu: ie, less effecvtual than the tardstalk forum police.

01:12:20 asciilifeform: so they'll say, in the event they say anything, that it was all a fiction ?

01:12:22 asciilifeform: as ru police would

01:12:49 asciilifeform: what am i missing here

01:13:02 mircea_popescu: not so simple. the chick at the end, kovesi ? she's fanatical.

01:13:28 mircea_popescu: and the LAST thing she's looking for tuesday mornings is seeing her name on my blog in that context.

01:14:13 asciilifeform: sic transit gloria spam-mundi then

01:14:39 mircea_popescu: only impossible outcome here is, for idiot policemen to stop being defrauded like redditards.

01:22:39 mircea_popescu: anyway that default stuff's pretty good :D

01:29:43 BingoBoingo: How phundation handles the different Openssl libraries nao https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f19dded6e4bf6b5a345de899863310281846eb61

01:29:45 assbot: Improve robustness of DER recoding code · f19dded · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQYAMP )

01:30:32 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/219.html not bad

01:30:33 assbot: #219 - Author Feedback ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQYHYQ )

01:33:47 BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4

01:33:53 BlueMeanie4: greetings

01:35:47 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/224.html also not bad

01:35:48 assbot: #224 - In the Merde For Love ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQZNUo )

01:38:41 BlueMeanie4: ive been making Bitcoin comics https://twitter.com/BlueMeanie4/status/563787262559678464

01:38:42 assbot: today's /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash comic http://t.co/xHnvs5op4G

01:41:23 mircea_popescu: any good ?

01:41:25 BingoBoingo: Another drug related mega lol http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/suboxone_could_help_heroin_addicts.html << Suboxone is not merely buprenorphine, also impregnated with naloxone in indigestible shell to prevent crushing

01:41:27 assbot: Suboxone could help heroin addicts: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVxr9n )

01:41:33 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/228.html << this might be the most obscene thing i've seen this year.

01:41:34 assbot: #228 - Fast Freud ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVxuBX )

01:42:33 ben_vulpes: y'all heard of kennas new scam?

01:42:45 BingoBoingo: No?

01:43:28 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions

01:43:41 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes which one is this ?

01:44:05 ben_vulpes: http://www.thecaravanserai.co/

01:44:07 assbot: The Caravanserai. Roam free. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DVxYYQ )

01:44:20 mircea_popescu: lol

01:44:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28178 @ 0.00039326 = 11.0813 BTC [-] {2}

01:44:40 mircea_popescu: !up nanotube

01:45:01 BlueMeanie4: what are the prices for that

01:45:04 *: danielpbarron slaps BlueMeanie4 around a bit with a large putin

01:46:14 BlueMeanie4: do you hate america Daniel?

01:46:39 danielpbarron: what is america?

01:46:55 nanotube: <nanotube> hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just to give you a quick preview, i'm thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like this: http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/rate.php

01:46:56 assbot: #bitcoin-otc rating entry form ... ( http://bit.ly/1AR21mK )

01:46:56 nanotube: <nanotube> once that system is operational, integrating multiple federated databases will be trivial and will involve no trust.

01:47:01 nanotube: fyi, y'all^

01:47:18 mircea_popescu: that's cool.

01:47:34 mircea_popescu: federated wots best way to un-centralize this problem, i believe.

01:48:20 BlueMeanie4: hyporcubez

01:50:03 nanotube: yea not quite the full fancypants xml-wot from the ideal world, but this will go most of the way and be much more likely to actually happen.

01:50:14 BingoBoingo: Reddit http://sexylosers.com/003.html

01:50:14 assbot: #003 - Video Girl Etchi I ... ( http://bit.ly/1AR2DsD )

01:56:05 TheNewDeal: Liked that bb, thanks

02:01:35 BlueMeanie4: a federated Wot?

02:06:09 BingoBoingo: !up BlueMeanie4

02:11:34 thestringpuller: amazon is going to sue you~

02:11:35 thestringpuller: .~

02:11:39 thestringpuller: .

02:13:25 BlueMeanie4: so who thinks bitcoin is going to crash further?

02:13:54 danielpbarron: it crashed?

02:14:12 danielpbarron: ;;ticker

02:14:14 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 221.08, Best ask: 221.27, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 221.29, 24 hour volume: 18423.98029392, 24 hour low: 215.0, 24 hour high: 225.0, 24 hour vwap: 219.323476828

02:14:16 BlueMeanie4: lost more than 30% of its value

02:16:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85700 @ 0.00040567 = 34.7659 BTC [+]

02:17:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87450 @ 0.0004068 = 35.5747 BTC [+] {2}

02:19:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48200 @ 0.00039038 = 18.8163 BTC [-]

02:24:50 TheNewDeal: I think gox falsely propped it up to the previous ath, not to say anything about a possibility of return to said prices

02:26:13 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well I think there was some Gox/China synergy.

02:31:09 BlueMeanie4: its starting to become clear that the whole thing was a ponzi to begin with

02:31:25 cazalla: BlueMeanie4, gox or bitcoin?

02:31:28 BlueMeanie4: then somewhere between '13 and '14 they want batshit insane about all these other ideas

02:31:40 mircea_popescu: !up IHB

02:31:41 BlueMeanie4: bitcoin

02:31:48 IHB: can i get some feedback on something i am writing guys?

02:31:51 mircea_popescu: ok

02:31:56 mircea_popescu: !down BlueMeanie4

02:32:02 mircea_popescu: who keeps upping the tards.

02:32:12 *: BingoBoingo up'd that one

02:32:18 danielpbarron: !b 10

02:32:19 assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/12T9CHJ.txt )

02:32:22 cazalla: IHB, i can give you some feedback on your site design instead if you like? 2.0 type shit sucks

02:32:35 IHB: yeah

02:32:38 BingoBoingo: IHB, I'll give it a read through

02:32:42 IHB: i am changing it

02:33:22 BingoBoingo: cazalla: You ever try reading coinfire on Mobile? We're kicking their ass on pnoHe friendly layout nao

02:33:25 cazalla: IHB, i mean, i gotta use 3 finger scrolls to get to the meat of it.. i don't even give the missus that much

02:33:32 IHB: i haven't had time and lot of changes are being pushed through. was working on an api that will be launched with it. hopefully it will be useful

02:33:34 IHB: lol

02:34:00 IHB: ok, this is still a WIP, but i want to make sure i understand

02:34:01 IHB: @petertoddbtc @fraudsters @oocBlog  @BryceWeiner @JustusRanvier  @fredwilson @balajis  In regards to scalability and the perceived threat facing the bitcoin ecosystem I am still not convinced we have a problem here. Gavin has been talking about this for a little while now and it shouldn’t surprise anyone of us that he is publicly trying to get a proposal ready so the full nodes can vote on it. 1. If 80% of the full nodes v

02:34:05 cazalla: BingoBoingo, could be worse

02:34:13 BingoBoingo: http://sexylosers.com/069.html

02:34:14 assbot: #069 - The Shit-Eating Triology II ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNFPKQ )

02:35:06 mircea_popescu: ihb see also

02:35:07 mircea_popescu: !s pogo

02:35:08 assbot: 111 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo

02:35:26 BingoBoingo: IHB: That tweet is from ??? about ? hard to squeeze meaningful context into that space

02:35:29 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i read you have like 100k of those pogos eh

02:35:32 mircea_popescu: but in any case, "votes" by bs nodes with < 90% uptime is pointless.

02:35:33 IHB: i know i know

02:35:44 mircea_popescu: might as well redditvote.

02:35:51 IHB: i am posting a draft write now

02:35:52 mircea_popescu: and in any case : VOTES DO NOT MATTER.

02:35:56 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a democracy.,

02:36:05 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is a consensus system.

02:36:37 BingoBoingo: IHB: Just remember if you post a big draft for review before going up on your site, Google index's pastebins aggressively, Dpaste not so much.

02:36:43 mircea_popescu: the concept of voting re bitcoin is not unlike the concept of voting re sex.

02:36:56 mircea_popescu: sure, 9 out of 10 people enjoy themselves at any gangbang.

02:37:07 mircea_popescu: this doesn't mean me and eight other dudes get to vote on how to use gavin's wife.

02:37:36 IHB: https://ihb.io/2015-02-09/news/a87a98cb5843a28d1c494178aa8865eaf7ec1200f6966be7e4066135c9247-16259

02:37:37 assbot: draft • IHB News™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0fINK )

02:39:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00040688 = 8.6869 BTC [+]

02:39:30 BingoBoingo: http://fraudsters.com/ has threatened to bring the house down and if he is successful, then so be it. << IHB you prolly want to link MPEx.co as the actor and particular fraudsters pieces justifying the MPEx position

02:39:31 assbot: fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0g1bf )

02:39:37 mircea_popescu: ihb it's beyon me why you think this is publishable.

02:39:52 IHB: its not

02:39:55 mircea_popescu: as a general rule : strike out all paragraphs that contain the pronoun "I" see what's left.

02:40:03 mircea_popescu: aha.

02:40:20 cazalla: IHB, this is your scratch pad eh?

02:40:28 IHB: not everyone is as talented as you when it comes to words [feces]

02:40:40 mircea_popescu: also, the paywall on fraudsters is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's.

02:40:40 BingoBoingo: he recently put a btc paywall on his personal blog. << IHB been around multiple years. Since early 2013 when I finally started talking to people.

02:40:49 mircea_popescu: it's in fact the first paywall on any content site on the internet.

02:40:52 IHB: i never ran into it until today

02:40:54 IHB: fo real

02:41:00 mircea_popescu: even so.

02:42:15 IHB: will amend

02:42:26 BingoBoingo: I believe the 1mb limit was only put in out of fear to protect us from a potential attack. << Was explicitly put in place to make attacks by bloating the blockchain uneconomical

02:42:51 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/the-new-york-times-urmeaza-exemplul-fraudsters/ << this is from back when nyt introduced their beta paywall.

02:42:52 assbot: The New York Times urmeaza exemplul fraudsters pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNHvnR )

02:42:54 mircea_popescu: !up wpalczynski

02:44:15 IHB: <+mircea_popescu> i never got the address to send the .01 BTC

02:44:31 mircea_popescu: did you use a proper email ?

02:45:24 IHB: i used ihb@ihb.io

02:46:14 IHB: so if we don't have the cap it is possible for a miner to load blocks up with spam? and this in turn will weaken the network?

02:46:18 mircea_popescu: first time i got a report like this, so mebbe wait and see ? mebbe your mail server's slow ?

02:46:30 IHB: won't it cost a lot of money to do that?

02:46:35 mircea_popescu: why would it be a miner ? it is possible for anyone.

02:47:04 mircea_popescu: today it's not a particularly valuable dos attack on bitcoin because whatever, 1mb blocks.

02:47:26 mircea_popescu: if they end up being larger, it becomes more of an attack. if they're large enough, sure, you can deny usage of the network this way.

02:47:42 IHB: fuck.

02:48:16 IHB: well, i am glad i had a reason to be confused

02:48:34 BingoBoingo: IHB: And the thing is it is a one time cost to the attacker to attack by committing bloat

02:48:42 mircea_popescu: very cheap way to attack the gavincoin, too. 20-1 = 19, so then each day costs an extra

02:48:54 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 600 * 19 / 1024

02:48:54 gribble: 267.1875

02:49:07 mircea_popescu: um neh

02:49:15 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 6 * 19 / 1024

02:49:15 gribble: 2.671875

02:49:29 mircea_popescu: 2.67 gb a day extra. whatever that costs, every node is stuck with it.

02:50:20 mircea_popescu: and there's obviously no defense. valid txn will be relayed.

02:50:31 IHB: i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality.

02:51:38 IHB: i would be happy just holding my bitcoin. but only if there was a way to get all this other stuff done, you know the stuff we call bloat

02:51:44 IHB: like washing machines talking to cars

02:51:58 IHB: and government schemes in india being run on some sort of chain

02:52:18 mircea_popescu: uh.

02:52:27 BingoBoingo: <IHB> i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality. << Not an unreasonable thing. Settlement happens on the blockchain small amounts dick around on distraction chain.

02:52:57 IHB: humans have already fucked with this planet we are in our own epoch Anthropence

02:54:15 cazalla: IHB, why do you want your car to talk to your washing machine instead of your wife?

02:54:48 mircea_popescu: the car should talk to the wife ?

02:55:00 *: mircea_popescu buys ballgag factory shares. cleary there's a future for these.

02:55:44 cazalla: mircea_popescu, no no, wife talk to washing machine

02:56:08 jurov: maybe he meant carwash?

02:56:18 mircea_popescu: like a wife with multiple personality cazalla ?

02:56:25 cazalla: please just let me take solace in the one fucking thing my missus can do right

02:56:42 mircea_popescu: what's that, she pushes your buttons for you ?

02:57:01 mircea_popescu: jurov for lulz, masina = machine is how you say car in romanian.

02:57:49 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/239.html << bwahaha z80 strip poker ?

02:57:51 assbot: #239 - Return Without Gosub Error

02:57:51 BingoBoingo: jurov: Commenting out that section of main.cpp you highlighted and making a junk public alert key turned into a build of 0.8.6 that's been running fine for about 20 hours nao

02:58:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C

02:58:51 mircea_popescu: hm.

02:58:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what z80. mos 6502.

02:59:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i haven't / don't intend to because a) anyone who can grasp the abstraction already knows it ; b) anyone likely to benefit from the description probably can't read.

02:59:48 asciilifeform: then nm

02:59:58 asciilifeform: 6502 >> reissued! >> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mouser-6502-motorola-6800-cpu-processor,14557.html

03:00:02 assbot: Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor

03:00:06 mircea_popescu: it's kinda what attrition wars are all about.

03:00:58 BingoBoingo: <assbot> Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor << If they cranked it to 1.5 GHz+ would be more excited

03:01:20 asciilifeform: why BingoBoingo wants a GHz 8bit cpu?

03:01:33 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Speed.

03:01:51 BingoBoingo: For some tasks bus size isn't such a big deal.

03:01:58 jurov: lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across

03:02:13 BingoBoingo: <jurov> lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across << Also this.

03:02:44 BingoBoingo: Just imagine a palm sized box with rs-232 and the entire 1980's inside

03:02:55 mircea_popescu: size doesn't matter guise.

03:03:24 kakobrekla: only matters if you got a big one

03:03:36 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It does when your need to breach the border with your contraband in your breech

03:03:51 jurov: WILL IT HASH?

03:04:01 mircea_popescu: hash it will!

03:04:55 asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats

03:05:00 gribble: Current Blocks: 342797 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1938 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 10 hours, 9 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51193758211.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 15.15753

03:05:02 mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/243.html also not bad.

03:05:04 assbot: #243 - America's Testes Kitchen 1

03:05:07 asciilifeform: 336094.

03:05:12 mircea_popescu: marinate all teh birds.

03:05:27 kakobrekla: +15, from where

03:06:18 jurov: from romania, haven't you heard about Mcoin machines?

03:06:42 kakobrekla: ah you mean mpcoin

03:06:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29032 @ 0.00039168 = 11.3713 BTC [-]

03:06:58 mircea_popescu: lol puh leaze.

03:08:19 ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> also, the paywall on fraudsters is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's. << how did you take payment before btc?

03:08:46 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes paypal, like everyone else.

03:08:53 ben_vulpes: goodness.

03:08:55 jurov: kakobrekla i meant this: http://fraudsters.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codruța-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/

03:08:58 assbot: Catre Ministerul Afacerilor Interne. In atentia d-lor Gheorghe Nicolae, Petre Toba, Bondar Marin si d-nei Laura Codruța Kövesi : Dvs stiati ca angajatii dvs se ocupa cu frauda pe Internet ? pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:09:24 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i had a whole digg thing for the .ro market, ran on "credits", backed by paypal.

03:09:31 mircea_popescu: people could buy/sell them.

03:09:56 mircea_popescu: published monthly tops of ro blogs etc.

03:10:43 mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinquestions

03:10:48 bitcoinquestions: thanks man

03:10:49 mircea_popescu: dude, get reg'd already.

03:11:07 bitcoinquestions: reg'd? sorry I don't use IRC often

03:11:48 mircea_popescu: lately you do. and http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

03:11:50 assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]

03:11:59 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : http://theairridegroup.wikia.com/wiki/Shooting_Assbot

03:12:02 assbot: Shooting Assbot - The air ride group Wiki

03:12:40 mircea_popescu: btw, someone edit that wiki page to reflect the assbot wotness ? who got perms ?

03:13:32 bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: alright I'm on it, also you asked me what I thought of b-a before I got disconnected - it's a breath of fresh air from the mass stupidity

03:13:45 ben_vulpes: by the way, isn't it amusing how the_scourge got instanuked, but the outright derps keep getting upped?

03:14:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who was that pauper on your blogroll with the great eMacs text. Debate tournament judging text finally cleared and I'm ready to splurge on paytext.

03:14:15 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not THAT insta.

03:14:16 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wasn't instant by any means, i ended up with a mile-long ninjasp4mz0r-style log from him

03:14:34 mircea_popescu: generally derpage doesn't get nuked until it becomes militantly stupid. bluemeanie got nuked earlier.

03:14:37 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gonna need more hint

03:15:08 ben_vulpes: looked pretty fast from over here.

03:15:31 ben_vulpes: granted my neural filter kicked in pretty quickly, so my integral probably didn't wind up like yours.

03:15:34 ben_vulpes: yours'

03:15:40 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last mention of him here you suggested might be acutely starving? Had a big guide to emacs.

03:15:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: xah lee

03:15:50 ben_vulpes: BigBitz: xah lee

03:15:53 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo:**

03:16:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Thanks

03:16:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the way it looked, mr moarspam was sent here specifically for me. (why? ask him)

03:16:21 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: blocksize-themed rather than cardano this time

03:16:29 ben_vulpes: what, you're the most easily suckered into epic privlogs

03:16:33 asciilifeform: quite possibly

03:16:40 *: asciilifeform plays with his food

03:16:57 ben_vulpes: i toy with my prey, but that's not the same thing.

03:17:30 asciilifeform: at any rate, the bozo went and chugged through most of my www in an effort to appear interested (it comically failed)

03:17:49 asciilifeform: for me, that was enough

03:18:19 TheNewDeal: So this is really Samuel Clemens' material? http://fraudsters.com/2015/let-us-translate-from-english-to-english/

03:18:21 assbot: Let us translate. From English to English. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

03:18:21 mircea_popescu: i suppose this is actually a never-before encountered problem : text that has meaning! IN LAYERS!

03:18:34 mircea_popescu: text that can actually not be textually reprocessed into usable text.

03:18:40 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes.

03:19:09 mircea_popescu: if you look at the link thrown around in here a coupla days ago when it was being discussed, has a bunch of bibliographical wankery i snipped.

03:19:31 TheNewDeal: That was some of the finest erotica Ive ever perused

03:19:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a meta sense, the way we write had been a wot all along.

03:19:51 mircea_popescu: poses exactly the same problems to the poser as the wot poses to the scammer.

03:19:59 mircea_popescu: not mechanically approachable.

03:20:09 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal the man was talentited.

03:20:48 ben_vulpes: ah come on the bibliographical stuff was great

03:21:01 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you chewing through "the complete works"?

03:21:13 mircea_popescu: mnope

03:21:28 ben_vulpes: o wait you're doing orwell.

03:21:38 mircea_popescu: atm im doing some old comic

03:21:39 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: orwell mentioned '1601' as 'unobtainable'

03:21:50 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i do recall this

03:24:30 decimation: asciilifeform: how do you distinguish between 'usg agent' and 'derp who reads your website'?

03:24:50 mircea_popescu: he doesn't.

03:25:02 decimation: I guess in the end it doesn't much matter

03:25:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4000 @ 0.00085353 = 3.4141 BTC [+] {8}

03:25:08 mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"

03:25:13 BingoBoingo: decimation: I imagine his heuruistic is how they read his website

03:25:33 decimation: mircea_popescu: both fall into the category 'shoot'?

03:26:15 asciilifeform: decimation: very naked pattern of 'derp suddenly comes, with much apparent enthusiasm and piss-poor reading comprehension, interspersing hour of faux conv. with 'so why do you have any truck with bitcoin, it'll be obsolete and replaced with Modern Alternatives soon enough, and so many more interesting things around like Dark Enlightenment...'

03:26:22 asciilifeform: '

03:26:30 decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis http://blog.chromium.org/2015/02/hello-http2-goodbye-spdy-http-is_9.html

03:26:33 assbot: Chromium Blog: Hello HTTP/2, Goodbye SPDY

03:27:12 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah he definitely exhibited that pattern. but my priors tend to 'random derp (maybe mr spam)' rather than 'usg agent'

03:28:31 asciilifeform: generic derps, in my experience, don't reliably snap back to one subject always

03:28:43 ben_vulpes: focus is expensive.

03:28:56 asciilifeform: and that subject is not usually block size

03:29:04 BingoBoingo: !b 3

03:29:21 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MV6G16.txt )

03:29:21 asciilifeform: four days (?) after the philippines thing

03:30:16 asciilifeform: also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur'

03:30:18 decimation: heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here

03:31:49 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' << I don't get very many of these. You FBI file must be thicker than mine.

03:32:05 BingoBoingo: Or else more urgent

03:32:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was my first such

03:32:40 *: asciilifeform suspects that ben_vulpes is correct and that had someone else engaged mr moarspam earlier, he would have latched on to someone else

03:36:05 decimation: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/february/09/kiev-s-bloody-war-is-backfiring/

03:36:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbIU1W )

03:36:17 decimation: "Draft resistance is at an all-time high: a mere 6 percent of those called up have reported voluntarily. This has forced the Kiev authorities to go knocking on doors – where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone, or else ghost towns where virtually everyone has fled. In the Transcarpathia region of western Ukraine, entire villages have been emptied, the inhabitants fleeing to Russia

03:36:19 decimation: to wait out the war – or the fall of the Kiev regime, whichever comes first. "

03:36:41 decimation: lol, apparently the ukranians are fleeing the russian invaders by fleeing to ... russia

03:37:04 decimation: " In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: “According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.” P"

03:38:03 decimation: wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration

03:38:14 asciilifeform: per orlov's analysis, kiev is summoning draftees not to fight and win, but to 1) create 'humanitarian' wank in the hope of usg assistance (georgia gambit) 2) forcibly burn bridges for the conscripted men (the idea being, they've fired on the east and 'must' fight to the death)

03:38:59 decimation: the local villagers, not being entirely stupid, want neither to die as nato puppet nor at the hands of ru army

03:40:27 asciilifeform: at any rate, usg is winning there - in its traditional objective of creating an open, gangrenous wound (rather than 'winning' in the usual sense of the word)

03:41:07 BingoBoingo: Transndstria

03:41:13 decimation: moldbug would say that this wound provides infinite employment for nulands

03:41:30 asciilifeform: not only.

03:41:44 asciilifeform: to the whole spectrum, 'red', 'blue', whatevers.

03:44:08 ben_vulpes: <decimation> heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here << didja ever meet tiberius?

03:44:24 decimation: no I don't think so

03:45:06 ben_vulpes: he was top notch.

03:45:38 decimation: who would bother trolling us? the chances of some derp changing anyone's opinion on matters here seems pretty low

03:46:50 ben_vulpes: tib was never much for changing opinions

03:46:58 ben_vulpes: irc judo, more like it

03:47:12 ben_vulpes: roll you in on point a, before you know it you're knees deep in c d e and q

03:48:31 ben_vulpes: sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him.

03:50:07 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

03:50:08 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2013#16817 << decent entrypoint

03:50:08 assbot: Logged on 05-05-2013 16:23:25; cads: tiberius, and if that's true, then I salute you

03:50:11 gribble: Current Blocks: 342801 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1934 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 51100598845.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.94797

03:51:01 BingoBoingo: lol machine translation http://8btc.com/thread-13213-1-1.html

03:54:25 BingoBoingo: https://github.com/reyk/httpd/issues << This happened quickly

03:54:27 assbot: Issues · reyk/httpd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CbLDIO )

03:56:03 ben_vulpes: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=tiberiusiv&start=627

03:56:09 assbot: 631 results for 'tiberiusiv' - #bitcoin-assets search

03:56:14 ben_vulpes: for the historians.

03:56:29 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform might find some interesting strange in those depths.

03:57:58 BingoBoingo: Another Mr Spam in the wild http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=142336024418555&w=2

03:58:01 assbot: 'Re: OK... how dare you both even to not publish patches...' - MARC

03:59:11 BingoBoingo: Seriously check srother@mercenary-security.com 's email sig out there: "Please note: The information contained in this message may be legally privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure..." Sig on a public mailing list

04:00:26 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: well now you've incremented his linkweight. good job.

04:00:53 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Actually I've done the opposite

04:00:55 ben_vulpes: at least robert viragh and the_minor_pestilence had the good sense to not leave a crumbtrail

04:02:21 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: There's actually more, uglier crumbtrail.

04:02:35 ben_vulpes: from which spamzor?

04:03:35 ben_vulpes: !up bitcoinquestions

04:03:36 ben_vulpes: mas?

04:04:06 BingoBoingo: See comments here ben_vulpes http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20141205090350&mode=expanded

04:04:09 assbot: Two New Kernel Errata

04:04:32 Guest85903: hmm

04:04:40 Guest85903: I ahve to message instantly?

04:04:46 BingoBoingo: hello Guest85903

04:04:53 Guest85903: -_-

04:05:19 BingoBoingo: !up Guest85903

04:05:31 BingoBoingo: Guest85903: Who are you again?

04:05:34 ben_vulpes: Guest85903: you gotta auth within ~30secs

04:05:46 Guest85903: bitcoinquestions

04:05:59 Guest85903: i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki

04:06:44 BingoBoingo: Guest85903: If you set up Xchat (or any other client) with SASL it will auth you with nickserve automatically in time

04:07:01 ben_vulpes: Guest85903: you may want a better handle than bitcoinquestions

04:07:08 BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections

04:07:20 Guest85903: lmao

04:07:30 Guest85903: bitcoinanswers maybe

04:08:32 BingoBoingo: Guest85903: You know... if you have Bitcoin in you personal name people take you less seriously. That's why bitcoin_pete seriously considered moving his identity to MooseCocks

04:09:34 Guest85903: Whereas if your name is BingoBoingo you get taken very seriously?

04:09:34 BingoBoingo: Anyways 6 of the right months of history is prolly the minimum to be caught up on the -Stable branch of the channel conversation. Having answers... Maybe 12-24 months?

04:10:03 BingoBoingo: Guest85903: History. Originally it was BingoBongo, but kakobrekla convinced me this was better.

04:10:19 BingoBoingo: Because time passes this is now my real name.

04:10:39 BingoBoingo: And sometimes I am a bit startled when people use my slave name.

04:11:05 lobbes: BingoBoingo: not reference to that song 'civilisation' is it?

04:11:58 BingoBoingo: lobbes: No idea what that is.

04:12:37 Guest85903: alright fuck it

04:12:38 BingoBoingo: Guest85903: The important part of a "Name" though is that it is now a textual match for another concept.

04:13:01 Guest85903: What do you mean?

04:13:32 BingoBoingo: My gibberish name, fine name. mircea_popescu being the Romanian equivalent of John Smith fine. "Cocksmoker404" is limiting.

04:13:54 BingoBoingo: Because Cocksmoker404 conveys a meaning in its text.

04:14:29 BingoBoingo: Other text attached to that name is going to on a quick read get a context attached to it.

04:14:42 danielpbarron: Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them.

04:17:24 Guest85903: hmm

04:17:33 Guest85903: difficult choice

04:17:59 lobbes: perfect: Difficult_Choice

04:18:13 BingoBoingo: !b 3

04:18:27 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1855MEB.txt )

04:18:27 Guest85903: lmao

04:21:26 Guest85903: alright brb

04:22:07 Guest85903: bitcoinquestions --> whaack please up! me when I get back

04:25:30 mircea_popescu: omfg i step out for pie, i come back, all the lines out of whack!

04:26:07 *: asciilifeform repaired an early 1980s soviet alarm clock today.

04:26:33 *: BingoBoingo got a new SSD in the mail today. Damn that fucker is thin.

04:29:07 mircea_popescu: decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it

04:29:10 mircea_popescu: wtf are they thinking ?

04:29:13 mircea_popescu: !up whaack

04:29:45 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: focus is expensive. << he is on to something.

04:30:26 mircea_popescu: !up whaack

04:31:01 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> decimation: ah google is going to drop SPDY and fully support HTTPbis << if any of teh strategic minds in attendance care to explain this to me i'd apprecfiate it << SPDY was Google so Open it is closed HTTP replacement no one else needed

04:31:19 BingoBoingo: No idea if HTTP2 is worse or not, but prolly at least as bad

04:31:20 whaack: ;;eregister A31A30AA659AB67C

04:31:20 gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)

04:31:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, moar like http 2 is basically a rushed "let's reimplement spdy"

04:31:43 mircea_popescu: whaack do it with assbot tho.

04:31:43 whaack: ;;eregister whaack A31A30AA659AB67C

04:31:44 gribble: Error: This key already registered in the database.

04:32:02 whaack: fuck

04:32:07 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or they were cooked different places and Google didn't get the tug on its leash early enough

04:32:23 whaack: I added the key for another handle is there anyway to remove it?

04:32:57 BingoBoingo: whaack: Have you considered the "literal" nuclear option?

04:32:57 mircea_popescu: !up ihb

04:33:08 mircea_popescu: if you didn't get teh email, ask for another one.

04:33:11 IHB: <+mircea_popescu>

04:33:13 IHB: i got it

04:33:18 IHB: i sent you the coin

04:33:18 mircea_popescu: and look in your mailserver logs see wtf is ahppening

04:33:19 mircea_popescu: ah k

04:33:20 IHB: whew

04:33:30 whaack: ;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299

04:33:31 gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.

04:33:53 IHB: dude. i really want to get into WOT

04:34:09 IHB: as soon things settle down with my team. i am gonna do it

04:34:16 mircea_popescu: "where they are met either with a mass of angry villagers, who refuse to let them take anyone" so czar's army, this.

04:34:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00040344 = 16.9243 BTC [+]

04:34:28 whaack: ;;eregister whaack 54D96EEE73C04299

04:34:29 gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.

04:34:46 mod6: whaack: you can pm gribble too.

04:34:51 whaack: apolagies

04:34:59 mircea_popescu: decimation: " In a Facebook post that was quickly deleted, Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak wrote: ?According to unofficial sources, hostels and motels in border regions of neighboring Romania are completely filled with draft dodgers.? << this is true. romania took in like 50k refugees.

04:35:07 mod6: np

04:35:18 mircea_popescu: being kept under wraps because whatever, can't go out saying the us caused a war atrocity and a refugee wave.

04:36:20 decimation: are the romanians pissed about the extra ukrainians?

04:36:23 mircea_popescu: decimation: wonder how many lei it takes to get the local romaninan police to 'overlook' your immigration << it's a civilised country. if you don't break the law they don't care. if you show up at the border without proper paperwork you get fined 500 lei (~100 euro) and generally forbidden to reenter for 5 years.

04:36:28 mircea_popescu: nah.

04:37:04 mircea_popescu: this entire "don't let people in" is purely a welfare state thing. romania is not one.

04:37:15 decimation: so the romanian government explictly granted this refugee status?

04:37:29 mircea_popescu: nah.

04:37:35 mircea_popescu: as above :)

04:38:43 decimation: my understanding is that ukrainians have all been granted russian citizenship anyway, if they choose to use it

04:39:08 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: he was top notch. << not really. too much anger.

04:39:22 decimation: if I were some derp in a ukrainian village I think I would be on the way to whatever frontier I could manage

04:39:39 mircea_popescu: decimation you gotta understand, europe is europe. think texas during the 1800s, mix-y.

04:39:58 mircea_popescu: decimation but you are that, in that situation, and you're sitting put :)

04:40:15 decimation: heh perhaps

04:40:20 mircea_popescu: what, you think ukrainian peasant has no material or emotional properties ? just because you discount them as alien doesn't make them go away.

04:40:28 mircea_popescu: he loves his oak.

04:40:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00040344 = 1.3515 BTC [+]

04:40:45 decimation: aye, I can see that

04:40:56 decimation: but the threat of dying for that oak has become quite real

04:41:08 mircea_popescu: actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil.

04:41:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84485 @ 0.00040688 = 34.3753 BTC [+]

04:41:42 decimation: multi-generational farms and the like?

04:41:44 IHB: people in india kill each other all the time over less than an oak tree

04:41:49 mircea_popescu: multi in the sense of 50.

04:41:59 decimation: in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil

04:42:15 decimation: some are, but they are rare

04:42:18 mircea_popescu: yeah well i tell you something, nobody who knew me in a pervious life ever imagined i'd leave cluj.

04:42:18 IHB: <+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes

04:42:21 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> actually arond there, from say vienna to about moscow, people are fucking fixated on the soil. << Amazing how in spite of it mostly being a source of minable lead Ozark folk are still more fixated on their soil

04:42:21 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:42:24 mircea_popescu: it was a joke for up until the plane left.

04:42:47 BingoBoingo: <IHB> <+decimation> in the us, people are so mobile that they hardly have any loyalty to the soil < this more true as every day passes << Less mobile every week

04:42:59 mircea_popescu: less mobile more alabama ? :D

04:43:13 asciilifeform: in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil'

04:43:37 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << Only because you are on the east left coast

04:43:59 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> less mobile more alabama ? :D << More sweet home alabama, less freebird

04:44:17 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him. << gtfo that's so totally not what happened.

04:44:24 IHB: i lived in louisiana for a while and we went to bama all the time

04:44:37 IHB: i like better than here in LA

04:44:39 mircea_popescu: i think i have a pic of me in mobile.

04:44:59 IHB: did you smell the pulp from the factory in mobile?

04:45:29 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/fire-in-alabama-lets-make-the-most-of-it/ < there we go.

04:45:30 assbot: Fire in Alabama, let's make the most of it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIebCL )

04:45:35 IHB: hey <+mircea_popescu> why did they suspend your twitter account? how do you get suspended but ISIS is allowed to troll away

04:45:40 mircea_popescu: IHB actually no, there was a strike or something. they weren't going.

04:45:51 mircea_popescu: IHB i killed some derp.

04:46:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You fucked a fort in mobile. Full of nubile ROLL TIDE cheerleaders, or at least that will be the legend in 2145

04:46:29 mircea_popescu: lol wut.

04:47:43 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You for get the weather that erodes civilization... time.

04:48:01 lobbes: <asciilifeform> in usa, it's jobs/professions more than 'soil' << aye, this is what binds me. This mouse-trap cheese is so tasty

04:48:20 mircea_popescu: lobbes you and... all the usians here pretty much.

04:48:25 lobbes: maybe can get some before it slams down

04:48:31 mircea_popescu: say, y;all know the aesop fable of the fat mouse ?

04:48:32 IHB: <+mircea_popescu> too bad. his derp friends probably spent more money on his funeral than he would have derping away

04:48:34 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: fraudsters reflects you were in Alabama. When trends on reddit change suddenly they will say you fucked all of the Bama cheerleraders in a heroic battle agaisnt Condie Rice

04:48:56 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i can't recall who i fucked in mobile.

04:49:02 mircea_popescu: it's kinda hazy at this point.

04:49:11 asciilifeform: http://fatmouse.org << obligatory

04:49:14 assbot: THE DOMAIN OF THE FATMOUSE - UNOFFICIAL MIRROR

04:49:16 asciilifeform: ^ legendary

04:49:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And the fanfic crowd will on that doubt rewrite history.

04:49:32 asciilifeform: 'FATMOUSE IS COMING AND HE HAS A MESSAGE AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. FATMOUSE WILL CONSUME YOUR POOR THIN WORLD AND REGURGITATE IT IN HIS OWN IMAGE. FATMOUSE DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU AND HE DOES NOT ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR MEAGRE HOPES AND DREAMS. IT IS BETTER TO WALK WITH FATMOUSE THAN TO BE IN HIS PATH, FOR FATMOUSE MUST FEED.'

04:50:04 whaack: So going back to my bitcoinquestion spree - do you guys believe the conversation in /r/bitcoin is controlled by a few people with many accounts directing an unnatural conversation?

04:50:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is this, the bitcoin jesus ?

04:50:16 mod6: asciilifeform: pretty long bumper sticker

04:50:47 BingoBoingo: whaack: To an extent, largely controlled by systemic failures in reddits mode of failing to social means

04:51:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to this day i have no idea. originally found it some time in '99, i think. appears to be inspired by one of the 'leptin knockout' experimental mice

04:51:39 mircea_popescu: srother is pretty fucking pissed.

04:52:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prototype knockout mice often get extreme obesity or cancer for their compelled bravery.\

04:52:33 mircea_popescu: Guest85903: i'm working on setting up all the shit in the wiki << this really should be in the bash lol

04:52:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja know, mouse farming makes bitcoin mining look tame both re: profit (in fiat terms at least) and risk

04:53:09 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ten thousand $maxint custom mice can croak overnight

04:53:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./

04:53:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well... Mice are awfully fragile. Especially when $maxint is spent knocking out something that was important

04:53:47 asciilifeform: esp. then.

04:54:05 asciilifeform: but, interestingly, even 'standard' mice.

04:54:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too

04:54:13 mircea_popescu: uh wait. it was you wasn;'t it

04:54:17 asciilifeform: possibly.

04:54:21 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: Except for midsession disconnections << xchat irssi and all others can be config'd to not autoreconnect. so you can handle manually./ << Working on a online machine migration in the near future.

04:54:24 *: asciilifeform not directly involved with mouse farming at any point

04:54:55 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform someone in biotech had this sad story a while back about a lost farm. i had one too << Was this the lab flooded in the hurricaine?

04:55:27 mircea_popescu: my memory fails me.

04:55:54 mircea_popescu: mebbe it was bugpowder

04:56:20 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: Guest85903, just use the name that your mother and father gave you; honor them. << not a bad principle.

04:56:34 whaack: yeah

04:56:55 whaack: <-based on my name

04:57:42 BingoBoingo: whaack: Are you a winkelvii?

04:58:03 mircea_popescu: im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt

04:58:03 whaack: Yeah the shorter brother who they wouldn't let in the film :(

04:58:34 BingoBoingo: whaack: When did Yall move to San Jose?

04:58:48 BingoBoingo: Or is it a VPN?

04:59:06 whaack: I'm using a VPN

04:59:11 BingoBoingo: Ah

04:59:20 whaack: Because when I don't and I join this channel my internet cuts out for 30 fucking minutes

04:59:31 whaack: Seriously made me wanna kill something

04:59:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> im waiting for the first Carmen_Beercunt << If I make my escape to the Phillipines to scoope up a handful of Azn wives I'll name the second this

05:00:20 mircea_popescu: i think you name their spawn, not them themselves.

05:00:25 mircea_popescu: whaack get a cloak.

05:00:40 BingoBoingo: "FATMOUSE IS A SELF-SUSTAINING INDUSTRY. FATMOUSE NEEDS A SUPERCOMPUTER TO COUNT ALL THE CALORIES HE MUST CONSUME. STOCK IN FATMOUSE ALWAYS GOES UP. YOU SHOULD BUY STOCK IN FATMOUSE. FATMOUSE EATS YOUR STOCK. YOU ARE AN INITIAL PUBLIC OFFERING TO FATMOUSE."

05:01:34 BingoBoingo: !up whaack

05:01:40 whaack: mircea_popescu: A cloak is a VPN no? I have one now

05:01:58 mircea_popescu: whaack you can go in #freenode ask for a cloak

05:02:03 BingoBoingo: whaack: Nah a cloak is freenode masking your VPN

05:02:47 whaack: ah okay

05:03:14 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://www.pbfcomics.com/270/

05:03:17 assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship

05:03:58 BingoBoingo: Oh, look at Gawker Media try to infring on fraudsters territory http://adequateman.deadspin.com/an-exceedingly-polite-beginners-guide-to-anal-sex-1683774847/+robharvilla

05:04:00 assbot: An Exceedingly Polite Beginner's Guide To Anal Sex

05:05:27 mircea_popescu: lol running out of femtalk ?

05:05:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly?

05:06:02 BingoBoingo: Then again this is the "polite" guide

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05:08:37 BingoBoingo: In a sort of roundabout way it did. Kind of a combination of a horror story that was deemed too gross to run in AaCP's former home and some recent questions left in the comments of the bedwetting post.

05:08:44 mircea_popescu: derp.

05:08:49 asciilifeform: penalty!

05:08:55 mircea_popescu: ya srsly.

05:09:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo xx btc to kako beer fund

05:09:16 mircea_popescu: LEARN HOW TO KBD NOOB

05:09:52 mircea_popescu: !up BingoBoingo

05:10:00 mircea_popescu: oh i thought you had made an infinity paste.

05:10:49 BingoBoingo: !up Sorry, was playing with Emacs as a manager for my pasta buffers. In over my head.

05:10:58 mircea_popescu: that thing when you notice an event that's been announced weeks ago that nobody is going to go to, declare you're going and within six hours everyone's going and teh oirganizer emailed to thank you. twice.

05:12:15 whaack: What's the best way to break through the I-have-no-trust catch 22

05:12:47 BingoBoingo: e9e17fb4b3d7f044c329464497b47f3d9ee0facf9b699d05d54f18fdd46f3b0b

05:13:10 mircea_popescu: whaack not being stupid usually yields some mercy 1's. also doing something useful.

05:13:13 BingoBoingo: whaack: Well, where are you located?

05:13:39 whaack: NYC

05:13:54 BingoBoingo: Ouch

05:14:01 mircea_popescu: did we have anyone we needed whacked in nyc ?

05:14:04 whaack: financial capital of the world!

05:14:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Preet seems to whack himself pretty well

05:15:09 mircea_popescu: he's not italian even.

05:15:14 mircea_popescu: who the fuck';s gonna bother with him.

05:15:56 whaack: mircea_popescu: was the pun on my name intentional?

05:16:07 mircea_popescu: no, i often speak biaccident.

05:16:17 BingoBoingo: !b 2

05:16:26 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XPNJZN.txt )

05:17:20 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck';s gonna bother with him. >> http://sexylosers.com/089.html

05:17:21 assbot: #089 - Boys Night Out [3 of 4] ... ( http://bit.ly/1vfmpqx )

05:19:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163000 @ 0.00039168 = 63.8438 BTC [-]

05:20:39 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

05:21:29 Vexual: Whilst strolling thru some summer city

05:21:29 danielpbarron: whaack, hey neighbor! I'm in CT

05:22:07 whaack: nice :)

05:22:10 Vexual: Met a girl very wall-eyed and pretty

05:22:18 whaack: what part?

05:22:49 danielpbarron: shoreline

05:23:04 danielpbarron: more towards the NYC side at the moment

05:25:22 Vexual: Her backdoor was ajar

05:25:35 whaack: alrightie well I'm out thanks for the help with setting up the WoT shit

05:25:37 Vexual: So I slammed the thing hard

05:26:04 Vexual: Now her eyes are aligned mores the pity

05:26:52 Vexual: Anyone got a selenim guy? I wanna get loaded

05:29:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00039867 = 10.8438 BTC [+]

05:30:09 mod6: Vexual: selenium?

05:31:23 Vexual: Err whats that load testing suite of trickiness?

05:31:57 Vexual: More a motel room I guess

05:32:22 mod6: selenium doesn't really do perf testing if that's what you're looking for. it mainly can just drive through html like a browser.

05:32:52 Vexual: Perf testing?

05:32:58 Vexual: Ah

05:33:00 mod6: performance

05:33:07 Vexual: Yes

05:33:47 mod6: there's jmeter for load testing, but it bites, mainly. and it's scripting sucks even more.

05:33:55 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Disney just scored another victory today agaisnt the persistent lack of 'Murican culture http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/9/8010169/spider-man-in-marvel-movies-the-avengers

05:33:58 assbot: Spider-Man is now a part of Marvel's Cinematic Universe | The Verge

05:34:33 mod6: it's a free tool. other perf testers can get expensive. *shrug*

05:37:34 Vexual: Whats selenium for then? A cheaper version of 10k iphones?

05:38:28 mod6: selenium lets you automate fuctional testing of a http framework -- you can use it to drive through a website, click on stuff, fill out forms, etc.

05:38:43 mod6: *functional

05:43:45 Vexual: Neato

05:46:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00039867 = 19.0166 BTC [+]

05:48:17 Vexual: Bb I saw some mall managers measuring shopfronts for glossiness ignoring the knock off asian disney shit in the centre of their center

05:48:57 Vexual: Peripheral vision

05:54:15 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/hong-kong-monetary-authority-uses-mycoin-hk-debacle-to-troll-consumers/

06:27:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144564 @ 0.00040574 = 58.6554 BTC [+] {2}

06:28:51 BingoBoingo: ;;google Tony Larussa eye herpes

06:28:52 gribble: Doctor Writes That Pinkeye Is Most Certainly Not To Blame For Tony ...: http://deadspin.com/5795015/doctor-writes-that-pinkeye-is-most-certainly-not-to-blame-for-tony-larussas-frightening-face; La Russa's shingles are tough opponent : Sports: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/la-russa-s-shingles-are-tough-opponent/article_e3ca259a- (1 more message)

06:29:06 cazalla: BingoBoingo, beat ya to it

06:29:43 BingoBoingo: Ah

06:30:18 cazalla: well, landed on the wikipedia page first

06:32:04 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/565035372980490240

06:32:13 assbot: Anybody know how I can stop systemd /var/log/journal from filling ever partition it's in?

06:45:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149489 @ 0.00039122 = 58.4831 BTC [-] {3}

06:54:20 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by taking it off ?

06:54:46 BingoBoingo: Well one way.

06:55:47 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

06:59:35 Vexual: Or send it somewhere unique

07:00:38 Vexual: !s horse outside

07:00:39 assbot: 0 results for 'horse outside' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=horse+outside

07:01:24 Vexual: $hit

07:03:03 Vexual: Now I can use kakos bucket shop

07:04:47 mircea_popescu: i find it quite amusing how gavin's 5th column are trying to turn their laughable defeat around into a sort of victory along the lines of "well we can';t have what we want, and that's okay as long as you admit democratic process".

07:05:18 mircea_popescu: somethingm along the lines of http://www.27bslash6.com/trash.html

07:05:21 assbot: I checked with Carol at the mini-golf hut and no pants were found on the fence.

07:05:48 Vexual: Lol

07:05:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They are 'Murican and can't distinguish consent and consensus

07:05:55 mircea_popescu: "Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority", that sort of stuff, "it doesn't matter which way it goes as long as you accept our framing of the issues"

07:06:20 mircea_popescu: sort of bullshit. whenever you run into it you can be pretty sure you've run into an usg nest, it's like the fox scent and the fox.

07:06:32 mircea_popescu: at any rate : they can't have that much. bitcoin is NOT a democracy. votes DO NOT count. in fact, votes are squarely irrelevant in this matter.

07:07:30 Vexual: ! Baidu horse outside

07:08:38 BingoBoingo: http://rt.com/usa/230759-cnn-us-troops-ukraine/

07:09:39 Vexual: Whats happening in Ukraine? I've limited bandwidth

07:12:23 Vexual: Qntra got a world affairs tab yet?

07:13:27 BingoBoingo: Ish

07:13:37 Vexual: ?

07:23:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aww, and all this time spend claiming it was teh russians!

07:31:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105600 @ 0.00040615 = 42.8894 BTC [+] {3}

07:36:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215012 @ 0.00041036 = 88.2323 BTC [+] {3}

07:39:54 BingoBoingo: Looks like it

08:09:06 BingoBoingo: !up beetcoin

08:09:10 BingoBoingo: !up hktud0

09:01:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51150 @ 0.00039189 = 20.0452 BTC [-]

09:15:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56800 @ 0.00039189 = 22.2594 BTC [-]

09:16:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47315 @ 0.00039045 = 18.4741 BTC [-] {2}

09:18:54 punkman: cazalla: a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit << maybe http://www.amazon.com/Bakers-Edge-Nonstick-Brownie-Pan/dp/B000MMK448

09:18:57 assbot: Amazon.com: Baker's Edge Nonstick Edge Brownie Pan: Novelty Cake Pans: Kitchen & Dining ... ( http://bit.ly/16KCyhm )

09:20:03 punkman: or DIY with thick foil/sheet metal

09:27:00 punkman: http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=44437.0

09:27:02 assbot: Hac (Pilgrimage) - First-Person Adventure W/ Focus on Interaction ... ( http://bit.ly/16KE7vA )

09:27:57 punkman: "a pilgrimage through 1990

09:28:10 punkman: 1990's Europe, in a low-poly Trabant

09:31:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165500 @ 0.00039219 = 64.9074 BTC [+] {2}

09:46:25 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/nyregion/stream-of-foreign-wealth-flows-to-time-warner-condos.html

09:46:28 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1DedOed )

09:49:55 cazalla: punkman, that's a start!

09:59:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104800 @ 0.00039326 = 41.2136 BTC [+]

10:03:37 BigBitz: ben_vulpes: Not sure what you mean?

10:11:47 cazalla: http://www.mweb.co.za/games/ViewNewsArticle/tabid/2549/Article/18116/Gamer-faces-five-years-in-prison-for-Swatting.aspx

10:11:49 assbot: Gamer faces five years in prison for Swatting > Gamezone > View News Article ... ( http://bit.ly/1Deg98N )

10:38:28 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9crB74IAAAe3TV.jpg

10:38:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeiCA4 )

10:56:05 punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/06/books/enough-true-belivers-to-run-a-small-war.html

10:56:06 assbot: ENOUGH TRUE BELIVERS TO RUN A SMALL WAR - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1vfXWkP )

11:07:57 Naphex: lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJMJJIaIurs#t=604 . How are they even hooking anyone on this :o

11:08:00 assbot: BYXPRESS Presentation - YouTube

11:27:08 mircea_popescu: !up NewLiberty

11:28:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137296 @ 0.0003962 = 54.3967 BTC [+]

11:33:18 mircea_popescu: Naphex: lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded << teh accent lol. &teh mouthbreather speech speed...

11:33:41 Naphex: mircea_popescu: apparently they are official google partners as well :O

11:34:07 Naphex: i'm just amazed. that people will "invest" that high amount and do zero dilligence

11:34:09 mircea_popescu: every half serious mfa spammer has that.

11:34:35 Naphex: http://www.arq.ro/-byxpress-la-arad

11:34:39 assbot: ByXpress la Arad ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcOIIx )

11:34:54 Naphex: thing is this guys seem to be starting from local, so basicly ruining any market

11:35:50 Naphex: is this the early stages, or just selectively picking idiots?

11:36:04 mircea_popescu: mlm is mostly idiots pretending. sort-of like reddit.

11:36:40 punkman: http://crockpotveggies.com/2015/02/09/automating-tinder-with-eigenfaces.html "Am I still using the bot? I've actually turned it off for now. Admittedly, it worked too well and started to conflict with work."

11:36:41 assbot: Automating Tinder with Eigenfaces ... ( http://bit.ly/1DeolpC )

11:36:47 Naphex: do they get busted? they use real names I assume

11:36:59 Naphex: and essentialy just defraud their aquantances when it busts?

11:37:12 punkman: acquaintances, family, whoever

11:38:05 mircea_popescu: Naphex yes, it's what one of these things is, "con your family and friends".

11:38:27 mircea_popescu: "they won't give you money directly ? that's fine, trick them into giving it to us! "

11:38:50 Naphex: yeah but they just send it upwards

11:38:54 Naphex: which is even more retard it

11:39:51 mircea_popescu: as average iq keeps dropping and average intelligence drops with the square of the iq, and as complexity increases like a fucking cube of time or something, there's bound to be more and more of these.

11:40:01 mircea_popescu: when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself.

11:40:10 mircea_popescu: now im 35 and the average 35 yo CAN NOT support himself.

11:41:33 mircea_popescu: kinda why defranchising of most of the population / having money and resources controlled by a tiny minority / having most people live in ever larger harems, as ever more abject slaves of whoever's brain still works is unavoiable.

11:42:13 mircea_popescu: this is the case for it : people of average intelligence are not actually smart enough to survive.

11:43:09 mircea_popescu: and you can't you know, "make everything illegal so idiots have a chance". it will be tried, obviously, but with no expectation of working to any degree.

11:43:09 chetty: Have people actually gotten dumber or has the world just gotten more complex?

11:43:26 mircea_popescu: people have factually gotten dumber. AND the world has got more complex.

11:44:32 mircea_popescu: something like smart = Cx / t^2 while complexity = Cy + a t ^ 3

11:44:38 mircea_popescu: clearly smart/complexity -> inf.

11:44:57 mircea_popescu: -> 0 *

11:46:25 mircea_popescu: (the reason one can be ^ -2 while the other is at ^ 3 is the hugeness of population : you only need one guy to push complexity up. so in this sense, lower population is in fact insurance against decreasing average life quality)

11:46:54 chetty: well the time between your 18 and 35 is not enough for actual species change, so its environmental ?

11:47:22 mircea_popescu: but megatrends may well be observable in a short interval even if they are not in fact contained in that interval.

11:47:29 punkman: re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity?

11:47:59 mircea_popescu: if some drunk driver loses control over vehicle at t=0, goes over embankment at t = 1.8s and explodes at t = 3.5s,

11:48:13 mircea_popescu: it will be BECAUSE he lost control, but the losing of control would have happened long before

11:48:41 mircea_popescu: punkman depends how you select them. if well selected, something pretty cool i imagine. like, a world in which nobody is going to spam.

11:49:41 *: mircea_popescu points to http://fraudsters.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/ because it's illustrative of the concept. a global village is probably better than the current metastatic urban sprawl.

11:49:41 assbot: Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DepwFw )

11:50:10 mircea_popescu: imagine a web without all the idiotic "web start-ups".

11:50:37 chetty: may not be that far off, if us declares it public utility

11:50:46 mircea_popescu: no further need for makework jobs, no more government crapolade, etc.

11:51:39 mircea_popescu: the need for police, for instance, is a strict function of population density. places with < 1 person / sqkm do not need any police.

11:54:55 mircea_popescu: !up CoraCrisT

11:55:14 CoraCrisT: thanks, Mircea

11:55:21 mircea_popescu: cheers.

11:59:18 mircea_popescu: punkman "''a giant theft machine,'' moving billions illegally around the world, engaged in financing the heroin trade, tax fraud and wound up bilking innocent investors of at least $50 million." << the substance of unsubstantiated journalism.

11:59:56 mircea_popescu: "he was a drug lord and thief, moving many thousands of dollars and running an unpaid bill of at least 50 bux"

12:02:09 punkman: mircea_popescu: downsizing would of course remove large swaths of complexity/scarcity, but I was thinking if "global village", how many people do we need so I can have computer and underwater fiber network, 10m doesn't sound like enough

12:02:40 mircea_popescu: punkman robots.

12:02:52 mircea_popescu: you don't seriously imagine that "people" out and about are in fact efficient ?

12:03:15 punkman: doesn't take much to feed them

12:03:47 mircea_popescu: currently you have machinery that can cut up, melt and re-set the asphalt. much like a sort of "3d printer for roads", really.

12:03:58 mircea_popescu: the only reason it's not automated ? roads aren't straight. and that is because ?

12:04:24 mircea_popescu: take out 99.85% of the population, suddenly roads can be straight np.

12:04:36 CoraCrisT: :)))))))))

12:04:59 chetty: no more cities ... everyone lives in the country on their own estates?

12:05:06 mircea_popescu: global VILLAGE.

12:05:10 CoraCrisT: and this is how you become the favorite architect of every dictator in the world

12:05:11 punkman: friend wanted to buy one of those, but local council wasn't gonna fire 12 man-crew

12:05:18 mircea_popescu: exactly.

12:05:24 mircea_popescu: no more need for make work jobs ? robots.

12:05:36 mircea_popescu: i seriouslydon't see why anyone would be laying optic fibre by hand.

12:05:59 mircea_popescu: and we actually have the technoogy to make the robots work together and automatically

12:06:03 CoraCrisT: becouse as a cable company, we pledge to offer jobs ;))

12:06:07 mircea_popescu: much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean

12:06:12 mircea_popescu: what's it called. the little derpy robot guy

12:06:49 punkman: hard to replace human repairman with robot currently

12:06:57 mircea_popescu: only because so dense.

12:07:04 CoraCrisT: hmm.. i would disagree

12:07:07 mircea_popescu: once space no longer such a constraint, very easy to do.

12:07:25 CoraCrisT: robots are pretty capable of diagnosis and automated repairs

12:07:27 punkman: because human can do things robot can't, even if it has a brain to remote-control it

12:07:46 mircea_popescu: there's no doubt in my mind that the "every fuckhead's sacred, god needs every one" current mantra is headed the same way monty python saw catholicism go.

12:07:47 CoraCrisT: also robots can do things humans can`t

12:07:59 mircea_popescu: punkman yes, but those things don't have to matter.

12:08:14 CoraCrisT: imagine a waste disposal team made of robots , in chemical situations, etc :)

12:08:15 mircea_popescu: this is like saying "artisan can do things cnc mill can not"

12:08:20 CoraCrisT: fukushima robo cleaners

12:08:27 mircea_popescu: very true. however, you don't HAVE to fight a war to suit the artisan.

12:08:27 chetty: actually no need to straighten the roads, just do away with them

12:08:33 mircea_popescu: you can fight the war so as to suit the cnc mill

12:08:49 mircea_popescu: which is fundamentally the point of ww2.

12:09:37 mircea_popescu: chetty they won't be roads i imagine, more like hovercraft pads.

12:11:58 mircea_popescu: <punkman> doesn't take much to feed them << this is true. cigarettes also don't take much to buy.

12:12:06 mircea_popescu: dealing with the after effects of having bought them, however, different story.

12:12:26 mircea_popescu: it is incontrovertible fact that most people alive today will have cost more than they were worth by the time they die, and this by orders of magnitude.

12:24:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67102 @ 0.00040104 = 26.9106 BTC [+]

12:25:25 mircea_popescu: lol this is funny.

12:25:28 mircea_popescu: ;;google "Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam"

12:25:28 gribble: Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.20; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/ponzi.htm; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - Reason.com: http://reason.com/archives/2008/12/18/a-50-billion-ponzi-scheme

12:25:41 mircea_popescu: ;;google Personal responsibility and the Ponzi scam

12:25:42 gribble: Personal responsiblity and the Ponzi scam. - Bitcoin Forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.20; Ponzi Schemes and Bubble Scam Investment Frauds: http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/InPerson/MajorPerson/ponzi.htm; A $50 Billion Ponzi Scheme - Reason.com: http://reason.com/archives/2008/12/18/a-50-billion-ponzi-scheme

12:29:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113094 @ 0.00040228 = 45.4955 BTC [+] {4}

12:51:13 mircea_popescu: CoraCrisT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1M28fAPHl4 << tine acolo la caz ca ajung astia aradenii bogati. nu se stie.

12:51:14 assbot: RObotzi.S01.Ep6.Paralele - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPvYEt )

13:03:50 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/futurology-or-the-very-scary-story-of-how-doomed-you-are/

13:06:51 punkman: related: "Indonesia has formally complained to Malaysia over an advert for a robot vacuum cleaner which told consumers to "Fire your Indonesian maid now"." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31143198

13:06:52 assbot: BBC News - 'Fire your Indonesian maid' advert sparks row with Malaysia ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPyQRP )

13:07:34 mircea_popescu: !up karcano

13:08:03 mircea_popescu: unrelated : Teacher explains superlatives, then has children give examples. Little Johhny : Big, bigger, biggest. Little Sammy : Hard, harder, hardest.

13:08:03 mircea_popescu: Little Loli : Deep, deeper, ouch!

13:51:47 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/genderbendin-lulz/

13:52:25 mircea_popescu: http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/food-blogger-plunges-to-his-death-from-roof-of-coq-dargent/ar-AA9cZDM?ocid=mailsignoutmd

13:52:26 assbot: Food blogger plunges to his death from roof of Coq D'Argent ... ( http://bit.ly/16Lz3qZ )

13:52:39 mircea_popescu: they're down to food bloggers now ? no further bankers left ?

13:54:57 mircea_popescu: https://wilkes888.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/final-message-thank-you-everyone/

13:54:58 assbot: Final Message… thank you everyone… | @wilkes888 - London based Food & Drink-o-phile ... ( http://bit.ly/16LzDFh )

13:59:07 punkman: lolwut "The reason for my death is simple. I have concluded that in the realm of dating and relationships the primary characteristics required for men are as follows."

14:01:55 mircea_popescu: "Mircea Popescu February 10, 2015 at 14:01 Reply Your comment is awaiting moderation.

14:01:56 mircea_popescu: Congrats for figuring it out, and doing the right thing.

14:01:56 mircea_popescu: If only more people in your unfortunate situation had the intellectual honesty to look their failure in the eye and take the jump, the world would be a much better place.

14:01:56 mircea_popescu: Even among losers, there?s hierarchy : the better ones leave, the scum of the scum sticks around."

14:02:01 mircea_popescu: sadly i dun think it's ever getting approved.

14:04:10 mircea_popescu: "I originally performed this test 5 times and found approximately a 95% skew" << :D

14:04:36 danielpbarron: the guy's name was "boozedude" ..

14:04:49 danielpbarron: kinda like bitcoindude

14:07:45 mircea_popescu: "I was told that this sample set was too small so I performed the same test over four to five years until I reached the sample size of 10,000 in total split into tranches of 100. Every time the answer effectively remained the same. All the samples lie between a 94% bias and a 100% bias."

14:22:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137135 @ 0.00039644 = 54.3658 BTC [-] {3}

14:27:02 ben_vulpes: http://wkbn.com/2015/02/05/niles-cop-disciplined-after-questionable-traffic-stop/

14:27:04 assbot: Niles cop back on the job; report found he threatened couple | WKBN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/16OEENu )

14:27:10 ben_vulpes: "questionable"

14:33:57 ben_vulpes: http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2015/02/09/apple-has-93-of-mobile-profits-650m-users-by-2018-says-canaccord/ << hard not to read this as "apple mobile users dumbest in the room"

14:33:59 assbot: Apple Has 93% of Mobile Profits; 650M Users by 2018, Says Canaccord - Tech Trader Daily - Barrons.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1CPQdBP )

15:28:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2926 @ 0.00040302 = 1.1792 BTC [+]

15:41:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76012 @ 0.00040303 = 30.6351 BTC [+] {2}

15:47:04 thestringpuller: "Yes, and it reaches this point over 100 years from now." << i don't like to think of the future cause i'll be dead, let my children deal with the problem.

15:47:14 thestringpuller: love these pseudo arguments. better entertainment than television

15:49:18 nubbins`: 100 years? that's like forever

15:49:37 nubbins`: so what if the garbage will catch fire after i throw a lit cigarette in? i'm already on my way out of the building.

15:49:54 nubbins`: Parking brake? But I'm not in the car anymore!

15:53:49 jurov: thestringpuller what do you quote?

15:53:52 jurov: *did

15:54:27 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0;all

15:54:28 assbot: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/195ru0b )

15:55:42 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/02/masters-of-parallel-universes.html << orlol

15:55:44 assbot: ClubOrlov: Masters of Parallel Universes ... ( http://bit.ly/195rNrH )

15:56:46 asciilifeform: ;;bc,stats

15:56:50 gribble: Current Blocks: 342880 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1855 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49234655973.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.75064

15:56:58 asciilifeform: 337149.

15:58:30 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.msg10362163#msg10362163

15:58:30 assbot: Permanently keeping the 1MB (anti-spam) restriction is a great idea ... ... ( http://bit.ly/195slOf )

15:58:32 nubbins`: ^^ o.O

15:58:37 nubbins`: not sure if srs

15:58:44 nubbins`: suspect it is

15:59:03 asciilifeform: nubbins`: gag

15:59:09 nubbins`: heheh

15:59:13 nubbins`: prolly just a lel actually

15:59:23 asciilifeform: inexpensive lol

15:59:32 nubbins`: i can't imagine anywhere in the world having the capacity or desire to replicate 4k floppies at a time

16:00:17 jurov: it comes with robot to manipulate these floppies

16:00:31 PeterL: ;; later tell mircea_popescu is there no report for F.DERP for january?

16:00:32 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:00:54 nubbins`: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/incentive/

16:00:55 assbot: Bitnodes Incentive Program - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/195sO2R )

16:01:00 nubbins`: jurov oh! like those cd replicators

16:01:04 nubbins`: couple servo arms

16:01:06 *: nubbins` nods

16:03:40 asciilifeform: nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change

16:04:24 nubbins`: are you talking about the .foundation now? XD

16:04:33 asciilifeform: the phoundation

16:04:43 asciilifeform: which appears to sponsor the 'bitnodes' thing

16:06:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28143 @ 0.00040766 = 11.4728 BTC [+]

16:08:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42349 @ 0.00039866 = 16.8829 BTC [-] {2}

16:09:27 nubbins`: o rly!

16:09:45 *: nubbins` scrolls down, sees logo

16:09:58 nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road

16:10:15 nubbins`: maybe a better use of funds than sending hand-printed posters to slum tenants in middle america

16:10:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean << i recently bought just such a machine. there are at least a dozen manufacturers, and apparently all but one sell machine that work on 'random walk' principle.

16:12:16 asciilifeform: nubbins`: like blood donations, this is probably not the kind of thing you want to pay for and end up seeing done by folks who need the money.

16:12:26 nubbins`: heh

16:12:38 nubbins`: alf, you're a sage

16:12:52 asciilifeform: at least not until 'torrent-like' sync mechanism for bitcoind

16:13:33 asciilifeform: at present, you end up connecting to a node using ip-over-dead-goat-modem and curse your fate until disconnects

16:13:46 nubbins`: .foundation torrent might work, but it'd be janky

16:13:54 nubbins`: throw a fresh torrent up weekly

16:13:59 asciilifeform: it has to be a built-in mechanism

16:14:06 nubbins`: leave the stale one around for a week to let existing peers finish

16:14:19 nubbins`: not really smooth sailing for any definition thereof, but it's a start

16:14:30 asciilifeform: it isn't the start for anything you want

16:14:40 nubbins`: download your Genuine .Foundation Blockchain today

16:14:48 asciilifeform: manually dropping in blockchains is... ick

16:15:11 nubbins`: someone'll do it, if not us!

16:15:26 nubbins`: but you're right

16:15:46 nubbins`: imaigne manually patching .5.3 for two days, then downloading the blockchain off a random torrent

16:15:51 nubbins`: o.O

16:16:14 nubbins`: i guess my pogoplug will arrive this week?

16:16:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79850 @ 0.00040766 = 32.5517 BTC [+] {2}

16:16:57 nubbins`: this orlov guy is fun to read, but JESUS does it ever send me on tangents

16:17:14 nubbins`: 5 tabs of info about tunneling diodes... "oh, wait, i was reading an article"

16:24:53 asciilifeform: re: pogo: i have a cross-compile setup of netbsd for pogo (run on any reasonable unix) working

16:24:58 asciilifeform: except for the ramdisk

16:25:30 asciilifeform: (netbsd's cross-build system is buggy as all hell, and it may turn out that i'm the only one trying to use it in anger presently)

16:25:58 asciilifeform: ramdisk is a must because there is no support in netbsd for pogo's nand flash

16:26:43 asciilifeform: not as much of a deal-killer as it appears, however, because netbsd kernel + required userland (not incl. bitcoind) can slide under 2MB easily

16:27:28 asciilifeform: thing will be snarfed from nand by 'u-boot' on powerup, same as linux kernel presently is, and then run

16:28:01 jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it

16:28:03 asciilifeform: if sata drive found, then looks for blockchain on it, sets as datadir

16:28:09 asciilifeform: if not found - formatted

16:28:18 asciilifeform: *blockchain not found

16:28:24 asciilifeform: if drive not found, red led blinks.

16:28:27 asciilifeform: that's more or less it.

16:28:56 asciilifeform: jurov: castrato clients are uninteresting

16:29:42 jurov: but the bootstrap file itself is pretty harmless. just blocks, nothing else

16:30:16 jurov: and when the torent is updated, it is only appended to

16:30:29 thestringpuller: jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vbi45/i_find_it_comedic_that_people_think_bitcoin_can/cogl1ke << some redditard

16:31:57 thestringpuller: https://appsto.re/us/QI_74.i << so someone also stole the deedbot idea?

16:34:42 davout: thestringpuller: the idea of timestamping stuff in the blockchain is as old as bitcoin

16:35:41 davout: oh, a romanian camel dude

16:36:20 mircea_popescu: PeterL not much trade, gonna do a joint statement

16:36:24 mircea_popescu: davout wait wut ?!

16:36:34 thestringpuller: davout: i kno. i'm just being a h8er. Can't I just hate on people.

16:36:41 thestringpuller: Oh hey the romanian camel d00d!

16:36:55 thestringpuller: Who opposes the blocksize limit cause he can't get laid.

16:36:58 thestringpuller: And doesn't have any money.

16:37:03 thestringpuller: ~_~

16:37:38 nubbins`: thestringpuller "stole"? o.O

16:38:05 thestringpuller: nubbins`: I was being facetious!

16:38:10 nubbins`: faseeshus

16:38:16 thestringpuller: :(

16:38:24 mircea_popescu: faces r us ?!

16:40:02 nubbins`: faces while u wait

16:41:24 mircea_popescu: so im having the 2nd breakfast of the day. like the previous one, this one also consists of milk and apple pie.

16:41:43 mircea_popescu: this is why i oppose change.

16:46:14 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so you're a hobbit?

16:46:25 thestringpuller: ;;google 2nd breakfast tolkien

16:46:26 gribble: Second breakfast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_breakfast; J.R.R. Tolkien - The Hobbit: Second Breakfast Day: 21st September ...: http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/1024039-second-breakfast-day-21st-september; Popular items for second breakfast on Etsy: https://www.etsy.com/market/second_breakfast

16:46:45 nubbins`: i had coffee and two homemade cookies

16:48:51 mircea_popescu: 2 lemonade nookies > homemade cookies !

16:54:14 mircea_popescu: that dumb thread seriously still going ?

16:54:24 mircea_popescu: eh, nm, what am i asking.

16:55:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68696 @ 0.00041054 = 28.2025 BTC [+]

16:56:10 mircea_popescu: in any case, i guess they don't manage in however many posts to get to addressing the key point of "who pays davis' salary these days".

16:56:12 mircea_popescu: do they ?

16:56:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71350 @ 0.00041157 = 29.3655 BTC [+] {2}

16:58:29 nubbins`: http://nypost.com/2015/02/08/charles-mansons-fiancee-wanted-to-marry-him-for-his-corpse-source/

16:58:30 assbot: Charles Manson’s fiancée wanted to marry him for his corpse: source | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/195FtTr )

16:58:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54800 @ 0.00040108 = 21.9792 BTC [-]

16:59:05 nubbins`: VOLCA SAMPLE OS 1.3 RELEASED

16:59:06 nubbins`: woop!

16:59:18 nubbins`: dem parameter locks!!

17:01:21 nubbins`: (incidentally, the volca sample receives OS updates as modulated audio via a 3.5mm stereo jack)

17:14:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4738 @ 0.00081347 = 3.8542 BTC [-] {6}

17:22:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change << you have to understand the extrmely problematic nature of infinite budget. suppose you were trying to fly an aeroplane that had infinite thrust.

17:22:15 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road << you're keeping screenshots aren't you.

17:27:48 TomServo: http://ownme.ipredator.se/

17:27:49 assbot: BTC Piñata ... ( http://bit.ly/1E3H7yb )

17:28:00 TomServo: Interesting concept there.

17:28:37 mircea_popescu: basically a dice game amirite ?

17:28:46 nubbins`: mircea_popescu who needs it? !s pin from:nubbins`

17:28:58 nubbins`: dem tools

17:28:59 mircea_popescu: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << are we desperate for old style blockchains ?

17:29:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110250 @ 0.00041416 = 45.6611 BTC [+] {3}

17:29:24 jurov: mircea_popescu: read on, it is NOT blockchain

17:29:32 jurov: it's just a bag of blocks

17:29:36 nubbins`: !

17:29:38 nubbins`: fun

17:29:39 mircea_popescu: o.O

17:29:46 mircea_popescu: why not a bag of dicks, while at it.

17:29:46 nubbins`: lego style

17:29:50 nubbins`: what will YOU build

17:30:02 nubbins`: !b 19

17:30:04 assbot: Last 19 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KX2T38.txt )

17:30:05 nubbins`: fuck!

17:30:17 mircea_popescu: only underage bashes accepted.

17:30:39 nubbins`: dat single backspace to erase two-char number ;/

17:51:03 thestringpuller: lol the quarterly reports are coming out

17:51:37 thestringpuller: How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days?

17:51:56 chetty: never

17:53:39 thestringpuller: Really needs to be a drinking game for these things where you take a shot everytime someone uses a buzz word.

18:00:36 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vf5xs/deathandtaxes_has_a_brilliant_posting_on_the/ << more whining and machinations of flailing arms

18:00:50 thestringpuller: much more noisy death than most animals.

18:03:49 thestringpuller: so is the bitcoin incentive program going to scale into "If you upgrade to hard fork, we'll incentivize you *wink wink* ?!?"

18:03:58 thestringpuller: We should just take their money by running old nodes.

18:05:31 thestringpuller: LOL they are already doing it!!!

18:05:32 thestringpuller: "Bitnodes uses Bitcoin protocol version 70001 (i.e. >= /Satoshi:0.8.x/), so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped."

18:22:10 nubbins`: heh

18:22:29 nubbins`: there are plenty of people who would do this for like 5 bucks a month

18:27:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 245 @ 0.00588819 = 1.4426 BTC [-] {3}

18:31:11 mircea_popescu: der[/

18:31:14 mircea_popescu: derp*

18:31:27 mircea_popescu: this stench of desperation is like overpowering by now.

18:32:33 nubbins`: there are people who would do this for a buck a month

18:38:28 mircea_popescu: there are people who would take a fucking picture of a fucking poster for fifty bucks

18:38:36 mircea_popescu: not in ohio, of course, but nevertheless.

18:39:43 ben_vulpes: how do these "chinese liquidity injections" actually work?

18:39:48 ben_vulpes: is it a straight up purchase of dud assets?

18:40:08 mircea_popescu: yes.

18:40:14 mircea_popescu: exactly like the us counterparts.

18:40:26 mircea_popescu: except china has more and much dudlier assets than you could ever imagine.

18:41:08 ben_vulpes: "cleanest shirt in the room" is the phrase i hear our financial "pundits" bandy about.

18:42:10 mircea_popescu: except it's not. mpex also in that room.

18:42:28 mircea_popescu: "cleanest shirts of the shirts we're willing to see" doesn't have quite the same... flavour

18:43:36 ben_vulpes: these are "NPR" reporters - they've no idea that MPEx even exists.

18:45:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, it doesn't matter that the us is the cleanest shirt in the room. that's not really the criteria.

18:46:54 mircea_popescu: in the woods cabin that is this world, the us shirt sits on the chest of a 16 yo, and his brother the 15yo yurp wears a dirtier one. Nevertheless, the absolute dirtiest one is worn by the 32 yo chinese man, whose shirt is dirty because he's the ony one who gets to fuck the only local woman

18:47:01 mircea_popescu: her name's monetization, and that's the whole story.

18:47:36 mircea_popescu: it's true that an online blog the boys read said clean shirt wins.

18:47:51 mircea_popescu: it's not true that it meant in this context.

19:01:36 asciilifeform: usa 'cleanest shirt in the room' << healthiest horse in the glue factory

19:04:21 mircea_popescu: that.

19:09:22 mircea_popescu: for that matter... russia has been "under sanctions" for half a year.

19:09:36 mircea_popescu: i am terribly curious how the us would look should the eu decide to sanction IT for half a year.

19:09:57 mircea_popescu: not that much to the clean shirt theory if one looks closely at the seams.

19:12:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00041521 = 16.2762 BTC [+]

19:16:22 mircea_popescu: "Skipping a bunch of details, they left something in her and it was the cause of last week's night in the ER. The working theory is it is a part from the surgical robot that got dislodged or broken off as all their sponge, suture, and staple counts were on. Regardless, it wasn't there before and it is now and I have no idea what the fuck is going to happen next. According to my wife, the surgeon is of the opinion that

19:16:22 mircea_popescu: we should wait and see if it causes any more pain or if it will 'settle in'."

19:16:25 mircea_popescu: sounds legit.

19:16:34 asciilifeform: '...so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped.' << phoundation's answer to us, yes. anyone contemplating kelvin versioning again ? why should enemy have this much of an easy time with rejecting our nodes?

19:16:42 mircea_popescu: "we fixed your car and your wife, overal the parts count has conserved"

19:17:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, reacting to idiots is an inept policy. you will end up with egg on your face.

19:17:21 mircea_popescu: the correct thing to do is to ignore stupid not to code up to stupid.

19:17:28 mircea_popescu: the latter always leaves YOU with stupid in your code.

19:18:19 asciilifeform: in general i agree re: 'wrestling with the pig', but i'm at a loss re: how we aren't simply wearing bull's eyes for no particular reason

19:18:23 mircea_popescu: but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file

19:18:33 mircea_popescu: or i guess i'll ask danielpbarron to include instructions on how to arbitrarily set it.

19:18:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason is that the nude woman is perfectly safe in the manly company of the impotent.

19:19:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is very easy to set. but i wanted to see logic.

19:19:29 mircea_popescu: fuck em. best logic ever.

19:20:30 mircea_popescu: oh lulzy, so they're going to skip safe nodes from whatever harebrained changetip scheme they came up with next ?

19:20:35 mircea_popescu: help me rwanda.

19:21:00 mircea_popescu: notice who is driving this boat : i want to improve incentive structure for nodes ? they execute.

19:21:10 mircea_popescu: why exactly is this bad and why exactly should this be fixed ?

19:21:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which this ?

19:21:48 mircea_popescu: let idiots FINALLY pay nodes to node, after five years wasted power rangering, because mp said so. win-win.

19:22:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah that. ^ they'll be paying (chump change, apparently) for satanic nodes.

19:22:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the entire discussion about how someone (who ?) is going to (citation needed) pay some loose change to everyone that runs a node ?

19:22:48 mircea_popescu: so let them do something useful for once in their lifetime, it's not a bad thing.

19:23:04 asciilifeform: phoundation.

19:24:31 asciilifeform: if actually happens, even - it's chump bait. 0.8.6 nodes that will be 'seamlessly upgrades' to gavincoin (how? easy - will lose most history, faux verification from that point on, etc.)

19:24:31 mircea_popescu: yaya, fake foudation doesn't actually have what to pay gavin with for the rest of this year. had they stayed in the us they'd have been open to some pretty lulzy litigation.

19:24:42 mircea_popescu: and as far as i hear you can't really sell A series as a non profit.

19:25:20 asciilifeform: nsa can always donationwash another or ten.

19:25:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly my point. let them spend their resources paying nodes to node, it's useful. they are incentivized to maximize numbers, which means they will be paying nodes that are conformant to us.

19:25:28 nubbins`: seems easy enough to write a patch that changes version string

19:25:43 mircea_popescu: becayuse while someone may take 1 buck a day to noide, as nubbins` says, they won't fuck up a node for chump change.

19:25:46 mircea_popescu: an' so...

19:25:59 nubbins`: would be pretty lelly to publicly fire up a few k's of .foundation nodes on EC2 and start claiming dat money

19:26:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i already bought a bunch of the pogo guys

19:26:30 asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, easy. question was about the logic.

19:26:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a stupid idea anyway, how do you verify nodeness ?

19:26:39 mircea_popescu: if it could be done it'd have been in the fucking protocol.

19:26:53 nubbins`: well, y'know the next step

19:26:56 mircea_popescu: if they manage to do it well, all the better, goes into actual fork.

19:27:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: congrats on scoring the pogos!

19:27:18 nubbins`: web dev equivalent: "don't target the browser, target the features"

19:27:36 nubbins`: make a >1MB block and pay nodes that relay it

19:27:56 mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, sure.

19:28:02 mircea_popescu: anbd then discover you actually fucked up the code

19:28:07 mircea_popescu: LIKE EVERY SINGLE PREVIOUS TIME

19:28:20 nubbins`: didn't stop em before

19:28:35 nubbins`: anyway, mark my words

19:28:47 nubbins`: if they're shelling out cash, they're not doing it for a user-settable agent string

19:28:52 mircea_popescu: yeah, because gavin really has a coupla k bitcoins laying around to "repay" the miners that bit a steel girder by trusting him.

19:28:59 nubbins`: they're doing it to push the first block of a fork

19:29:01 mircea_popescu: this is so totally happening, everyone has reddit's memory.

19:29:19 mircea_popescu: which fails to explain how come some people own millions worth of gear and reddit can barely afford a webcam, but hey.

19:29:29 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/euloraleaks/

19:29:49 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i hope they do this as you describe it, easily maximal lulz.

19:30:02 nubbins`: i'll put a pin in this, too ^

19:30:15 mircea_popescu: "this is the right thing and in your best interest, and we're so certain of this we'll pay you to do it."

19:30:22 mircea_popescu: such sense this makes i couldn't begin to tell you.

19:30:34 mircea_popescu: !up NewLiberty

19:31:52 nubbins`: "Bottled Queef Gas may be worth 755%"

19:31:57 nubbins`: :0

19:37:58 NewLiberty: Sidechains during a hard fork...

19:39:13 mircea_popescu: and a bottle o' queef gas.

19:39:50 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ-p4EzWDiE

19:39:51 assbot: Whitesnake - Slide it in - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ahr2pT )

19:50:48 mircea_popescu: !up beetcoin

19:53:14 beetcoin: wow, I have voice.

19:53:25 ben_vulpes: are you amazed?

19:53:30 beetcoin: pretty much.

19:53:57 beetcoin: I'm not in the WoT yet.

19:56:10 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/02/epic-v-dhs-15-0210.pdf << BingoBoingo: wanna clean this up & try an article ?

19:56:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhvHIk )

20:15:47 Naphex: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vfwx8/bitcoin_core_dev_patrick_strateman_petertodd_is_a/

20:15:49 assbot: Bitcoin Core Dev Patrick Strateman: "petertodd is a retainer slut. hourly is low but most people are paying him for work he isn't doing" : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhB4aK )

20:15:58 Naphex: so much fiteing on reddit nowadays

20:20:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll give it a read

20:20:54 mircea_popescu: Naphex someone remind strateman that a) he is a fucking felon fraudster, whose name is forever besmirched by one of bitcoin's most idiotic heists (bitcoinica)

20:21:15 mircea_popescu: and that he is also one of the MOST inept "coders" involved in the early stages.

20:21:25 mircea_popescu: ie, back when all the idiots thought they're bitcoin coders.

20:21:45 mircea_popescu: ;;rated phantomcircuit

20:21:45 gribble: You have not yet rated user phantomcircuit

20:22:14 mircea_popescu: ;;everify mircea_popescu

20:22:15 gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.

20:22:22 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu

20:22:23 gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

20:22:42 mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b4adb22156bc3560f7f16c899dd2896a9af5c26d90b4c8cf345a6562

20:22:43 gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

20:24:28 punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2340 "nobody uses nlocktime, how am I gonna built stupid shit on top of it. I know let's make the core wallet use nlocktime on all the transactions."

20:24:30 assbot: Discourage fee sniping with nLockTime by petertodd · Pull Request #2340 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1AhDG8v )

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20:25:04 mircea_popescu: ;;rate phantomcircuit -10 Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted.

20:25:05 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user phantomcircuit has been recorded.

20:25:47 mircea_popescu: fucktards.

20:25:57 mircea_popescu: "oh, let's lay low for a coupla years everything will be fine".

20:26:09 Naphex: >>> He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted. | lmao!

20:26:17 mircea_popescu: Naphex seriously. one line of python.

20:26:23 mircea_popescu: because "security experts" codes in production.

20:27:09 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: sorry for comment spam on fraudsters

20:27:20 thestringpuller: fucking << don't work in fraudsters

20:27:31 thestringpuller: cause html or something

20:27:40 mircea_popescu: lol well yes.

20:27:58 thestringpuller: i blame asciilifeform

20:27:59 thestringpuller: jk

20:28:00 mircea_popescu: ok i delete the first two keep the last ?

20:31:01 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea

20:31:10 thestringpuller: thx :D

20:33:27 mircea_popescu: answer't/

20:55:54 BingoBoingo: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << I thought 0.7.2 and later all support it, 0.7.2 being the only version to unpack it as BDB blockchain

20:56:20 danielpbarron: 0.7.2 stops at block 150`000 or something

20:56:28 danielpbarron: which makes bootstrapping useless

20:58:15 mircea_popescu: torrent chains are a very fucking dumb idea anyway.

20:58:26 mircea_popescu: what's next, usagi's privkey generation services ?

20:59:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'torrent' in the usual sense would be braindamaged. but nodes loading blocks from more than one peer - is a must.

21:00:23 nubbins`: ^

21:01:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i strictly meant the point discussed above, "bootstrap"

21:01:15 mircea_popescu: otherwise absolutely.

21:01:35 mircea_popescu: funny how botomless the capacity of these people to generate conflicting names.

21:01:40 mircea_popescu: it almost looks engineered by now.

21:01:46 nubbins`: set max number of connections, threshold for abandoning slow peers

21:02:14 nubbins`: as a percentage of average download speed, i guess

21:02:34 mircea_popescu: !up beetcoin

21:02:39 beetcoin: Thanks.

21:02:57 mircea_popescu: nubbins` slow peers nbot even it. out of order block peers much worse.

21:03:03 mircea_popescu: you end up throwingaway bw.

21:03:08 beetcoin: I'm curious about the general sentiment around here that says bitcoin should not scale. That it is not for "the common man".

21:03:23 beetcoin: not that I necessarily disagree,

21:03:27 mircea_popescu: you should prolly read the logs eh.

21:03:30 nubbins`: beetcoin, you'll remain curious for a while

21:03:34 nubbins`: perhaps the forseeable future

21:03:57 ben_vulpes: "should not scale" << heh.

21:04:01 ben_vulpes: such unexamined assumptions.

21:04:23 beetcoin: maybe those aren't the best words

21:04:45 beetcoin: I have read some of the logs, but it is rather a lot to read

21:05:06 asciilifeform: i was specifically thinking about the out-of-order crapolade.

21:05:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is that if you penalize nodes for misbehaving thus, you'll just in practice randomly cut them off. as thery all do.

21:05:32 ben_vulpes: beetcoin: one can either read the forums, or the log. not both.

21:05:43 ben_vulpes: reddit, in this case, counts as a forum.

21:05:45 mircea_popescu: now... if OUR node was better, to privilege it would make sense. and itd; be worth WAY more than the five bux or w/e on tap.

21:05:57 nubbins`: ben_vulpes that's like saying one can either read a brief history of time or their cereal box

21:06:09 danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, heh yeah at least log.b-a is finite; can't that /that/ long to read

21:06:45 ben_vulpes: nubbins`: more like "collected works of mark twain"

21:06:54 mircea_popescu: one million lines is it ? should be about a year, for someone that is professionally qualified to read.

21:06:58 nubbins`: man's still gotta eat brekkies 8)

21:07:13 danielpbarron: whereas reddit et al. is a bottomless pit of idiocy

21:07:33 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nobody ever read all of reddit. so it's okay : failure by design.

21:08:26 beetcoin: what role should bitcoin play then?

21:08:37 danielpbarron: what role does gravity play?

21:08:57 beetcoin: well, i realize bitcoin is not a sentient 'actor'

21:09:12 beetcoin: but humans can't really change gravity

21:09:17 ben_vulpes: beetcoin: what, is an uninterdictable store of value not enough for you?!

21:09:17 danielpbarron: exactly

21:09:37 beetcoin: it's good enough

21:09:51 ben_vulpes: what could be more awesome than the knowledge that the system will have 21M coins...FOREVER?

21:09:55 ben_vulpes: it ain't broke

21:09:59 ben_vulpes: don't fuck with it.

21:10:33 mircea_popescu: <beetcoin> but humans can't really change gravity << or bitcoin.

21:10:49 mircea_popescu: that's the principal point here. it's not a "technology". it's not an invention. bitcoin is a discovery.

21:11:04 beetcoin: bitcoin has changed somewhat since its invention though

21:11:05 mircea_popescu: it was always there, and it'll hit you over the head until you die if you cross it.

21:11:10 mircea_popescu: for ANY value of you.

21:11:22 mircea_popescu: i just said it wasn't invented lol.

21:11:40 beetcoin: okay, so it has changed since its discovery

21:11:50 mircea_popescu: notrly.

21:12:23 beetcoin: fundamentally, it hasn't

21:13:04 beetcoin: but a number of forks have occurred

21:13:13 mircea_popescu: you might need to go do some reading.

21:13:45 mircea_popescu: if you mean the unintentional power ranger fuckup of 2013, that fork was killed.

21:13:52 danielpbarron: one could make the argument that bitcoin wasn't really discovered until you could use it on MPEx, and since then it hasn't changed

21:13:59 mircea_popescu: we are still on the OLD chain, we didn't move to the new one that emerged then.

21:14:04 ben_vulpes: beetcoin: the last time gavin tried to change bitcoin in one of these "fundamental" ways, he burned a lot of capital fixing all of the idiots bitcoinds who went with him.

21:14:07 mircea_popescu: in spite of it having been - temporarily - longer.

21:14:07 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/mwlauthor/status/565196442789507072

21:14:09 assbot: "Custom crypto-cracking hardware is pricey & rare, but your local tool store has cheap human-cracking hardware." /hashtag/tsmastery?src=hash

21:14:36 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ever wonder how he could afford that /

21:14:40 beetcoin: a fork is not impossible in principle

21:14:50 mircea_popescu: one year you throw away k's of btc, the next year you need foundation salary for 10s of btc ?

21:14:51 beetcoin: if enough people wanted to, it could happen

21:14:53 ben_vulpes: in practice, however.

21:14:56 mircea_popescu: beetcoin and you know this how ?

21:15:01 ben_vulpes: beetcoin: not "enough" people.

21:15:01 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not a democracy

21:15:04 ben_vulpes: the right people.

21:15:18 mircea_popescu: what "enough people" want and five dollars in cointips buys them a cup of coffee.

21:16:03 beetcoin: bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy?

21:16:17 mircea_popescu: its a rule of the universe.

21:16:32 beetcoin: it just does what it wants then

21:16:36 mircea_popescu: quite.

21:17:02 danielpbarron: man the redditards have amnesia i guess; they used to use the honeybadger example of "bitcoin don't give a bit!"

21:17:06 ben_vulpes: Starsoccer: you're joining and cloaking in the wrong order.

21:17:35 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron this was back when reddit mostly consisted of people who had bitcoins.

21:17:51 mircea_popescu: they either gotr scammed and sold out as the price went up, because they couldn't justifyably keep those hjoldings

21:18:03 mircea_popescu: now it's mostly people who don't have bitcoin, and desperately wish to be told "that's okay".

21:18:10 mircea_popescu: so... new set of memes for the new set of retards.

21:19:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simple experiment shows that penalizing nodes sending out-of-order blocks - does very little. as pointed out. what we want is to 'embrace & extend' the block sync process in the sense of preferring friendly nodes for sync.

21:19:45 asciilifeform: those being ours.

21:20:22 mircea_popescu: only if we can make our nodes give out blocks in order.

21:20:27 mircea_popescu: otherwise pointless.

21:20:30 asciilifeform: well yes.

21:21:10 mircea_popescu: right.

21:21:38 asciilifeform: any of you try 'micro-ecc' yet ?

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21:23:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48540 @ 0.00041332 = 20.0626 BTC [-] {2}

21:24:35 asciilifeform: punkman ? ben_vulpes ?

21:30:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00041267 = 11.7611 BTC [-]

21:37:47 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/02/dc-court-of-appeal-upholds-redaction-of-protocol-to-shutdown-wireless-networks/

21:37:48 assbot: DC Court of Appeal Upholds Redaction of Protocol to Shutdown Wireless Networks | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5szey )

21:38:41 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/dc-court-of-appeal-upholds-redaction-of-protocol-to-shutdown-wireless-networks/

21:39:00 mircea_popescu: " two damns on the US-Mexico border" ?

21:40:51 BingoBoingo: fxd, mispelling due to habit

21:41:06 asciilifeform: question for all: has anyone, ever, built netbsd ramdisk on cross-compile build system, or knows of anyone who has done so, or knows so much as a shred of evidence that this has ever worked?

21:41:48 asciilifeform: the published cookbooks, without exception, describe a process which leads nowhere.

21:42:32 asciilifeform: open sores.

21:44:54 mircea_popescu: ;;isup http://fetlife.com

21:44:56 assbot: Bondage, BDSM & Fetish Community - FetLife ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRLcZC )

21:44:56 gribble: http://fetlife.com is up

21:45:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know people who have tried and gave up.

21:45:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most NetBSD instructions do. Most platforms they support can get some sort of bootable kernel but not much in the way of a useful userland... The Japanese love it because they can say their toilets "run" unix...

21:46:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've built perfectly usable netbsd boxes previously. but this one -has- to be a cross-compile. and live in ramdisk.

21:48:05 asciilifeform: thing is, netbsd is the one and only path because 1) it builds the toolchain 2) builds a <1MB kernel 3) perfectly set up for a one-executable userland. but (3) refuses to happen so far

21:48:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78019 @ 0.00041104 = 32.0689 BTC [-] {2}

21:49:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77781 @ 0.00040995 = 31.8863 BTC [-]

21:50:23 asciilifeform: and the frustrating thing is, i have the kernel built. and all standard userland proggys. but ramdisk also needs the /dev and /etc; the former - has to get crapped out of a build script thingie that refuses to grind

21:51:30 nubbins`: lel @ fetlife

21:54:34 mircea_popescu: i thought i broke it.

21:55:20 BingoBoingo: If only you had a Sharp Zaurus to do a native compile

21:56:30 diametric: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/crystalwash/crystal-wash-20-clean-laundry-with-no-detergents/

21:56:32 assbot: Crystal Wash 2.0: Clean Laundry with No Detergents by Crystal Wash — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5vm7n )

21:56:39 diametric: magic.

21:56:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: zaurus << and a spare century or two

21:57:11 BingoBoingo: Or week...

21:57:25 asciilifeform: kickstarter now lists ~40+ year-old scamatrons...

21:58:38 asciilifeform: not only listed on ks, but 'staff pick'

21:59:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00041525 = 27.6141 BTC [+] {3}

21:59:52 mod6: asciilifeform: MAKEDEV doesn't work?

22:00:37 asciilifeform: mod6: nothing involving netbsd's 'make' - 'nbmake' - works.

22:01:57 BingoBoingo: "Everyone loves Raymond" https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00457.html

22:01:58 assbot: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5wcRI )

22:02:35 asciilifeform: mod6: 'nbmake: no system rules (sys.mk).' in all cases.

22:02:54 asciilifeform: mod6: and yes, the file exists. just isn't seen.

22:04:16 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this is pretty huge. if you feel like spinning it together with the discussion re symbols a few weeks ago makes a pretty great qntra article. informative and in depth of what matters.

22:04:21 mircea_popescu: want me to find the log ref for you ?

22:04:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is esr posting from a parallel universe where llvm has actual optimizations ?

22:04:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform esr is posting from an universe where apple has ambitions.

22:04:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can only conclude that he is an apple/usg shill.

22:05:06 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've waken today to a rather full plate, maybe someone else wants.

22:05:08 mircea_popescu: as the expression goes, "it could buy all of russia!"

22:05:19 mircea_popescu: it can't actually do THAT, but some other things it can buy

22:05:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Best I can tell as always ESR simply thinks he can avoid starvation

22:06:16 mod6: asciilifeform: are you building from the tooldir? or added it to your path? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/minix3/slkHJV1SXW4

22:06:17 assbot: Google Groups ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5wW9j )

22:06:24 mod6: not sure if that helps at all.

22:06:31 asciilifeform: 'TL;DR: You can't beat clang. Join it.' << this idiot has long avoided his correct place - in pederasty and by the latrine corner.

22:06:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ?

22:07:06 asciilifeform: mod6: yes, it is set to the path that the 'tools' build.sh process spits out.

22:07:19 mod6: hmm.

22:07:28 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ? << Probably FreeBSD 10 generally slower than 9 because clang/LLVM

22:07:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the llvm thing, prior to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia

22:08:43 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 475 @ 0.00505845 = 2.4028 BTC [-] {3}

22:09:42 asciilifeform: for folks unfamiliar with esr, he has always been an unabashed barnacle who clung to whatever he saw as 'winning' at the moment. so usg did not have to break his kneecaps. he knew exactly when to bend over and lube up.

22:13:41 asciilifeform: gcc is a natural target, as one of the last remaining total bastions agains poetteringization and 'modern advances,' 'pr0gr3ss!111!1111!,' etc.

22:14:53 asciilifeform: the ancient, gnarly code, the caretakers - few in number, mostly know one another; the infrequent patches - not an especially shitgnome-friendly environment.

22:16:14 asciilifeform: thus it will be attacked in every available way. the 'consensus' of 'the community' and 'how the world works' will stand as a solid wall against the 'obsolete, white male privileged' gcc.

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22:31:57 asciilifeform: can anyone here shed any light on the question of how netbsd's 'nbmake' finds its global config, 'sys.mk' ? the docs are silent. and no, it doesn't look in its install dir.

22:33:53 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1D045X0

22:33:54 assbot: dpaste: 1D045X0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5Ax7k )

22:34:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you;ll enjoy my write-up, if it gets picked up :D

22:34:54 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/jeb-bush-document-dump-identity-theft-risk/

22:35:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, exactly. the problem is that they (unknowingly) approximate the wot

22:36:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform $home ? "D

22:36:45 asciilifeform: let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr0gr3ss'

22:37:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. this is a cross-compile and uses 'TOOLDIR' var.

22:37:47 mircea_popescu: o righjt

22:42:14 mircea_popescu: "Licenses and "control" have absolutely nothing to do with it. Stefan" :D

22:42:37 mircea_popescu: oh, some holdouts still don't wish to trade power for the fetish of power ? pretend like power doesn't even exist anymore!

22:42:44 asciilifeform: wat

22:43:38 mircea_popescu: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00472.html

22:43:39 assbot: Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5BRao )

22:44:49 mircea_popescu: probably more notable, https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00498.html

22:44:50 assbot: Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5C1P4 )

22:45:02 mircea_popescu: "As mentioned earlier, in any case I will happily accept and install LLDB support into gud.el. So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer, your opinion on whether this might ruin the FSF's goals are not relevant."

22:45:20 asciilifeform: mask fell off.

22:45:54 asciilifeform: open challenge to rms? the latter will remove the gnome if he has any balls left

22:46:50 mircea_popescu: he hasnot so far done so.

22:48:22 mircea_popescu: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00598.html << best irony award

22:48:23 assbot: Re: Defending GCC considered futile ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5CyQZ )

22:50:28 mircea_popescu: what shocks me is the extreme structural coherence of the red herrings deployed.

22:50:46 mircea_popescu: metzger could be that blind schmuck in systemd could be gavin etc.

22:50:48 asciilifeform: almost like there's a script, aha.

22:51:00 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/a-discussion-of-military-strategy-in-the-21st-century/

23:04:36 Naphex: mircea_popescu: lmao http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/620xX/Feb2015/61633021.jpg :D

23:04:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5EMjk )

23:05:06 mircea_popescu: aha ?

23:06:13 hanbot: bingoboingo "pretty patters" > patterns

23:07:00 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you mean to say patterns or patters

23:07:42 BingoBoingo: With your acid rain metaphore

23:07:54 mircea_popescu: patterns

23:08:16 mircea_popescu: odd how that ~degraded~ gracefully huh

23:08:38 asciilifeform: anyone with ideas re: resolving the 'sys.mk' retardation, speak.

23:09:07 asciilifeform: netbsd or minix are afaik the only practical paths towards a 100% crud-free node box.

23:09:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform management sez take a break you're chewing the scenery.

23:09:09 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mailing list?

23:09:29 mircea_popescu: btw re ers : i'm not so sure about all that barnacle. isn't the guy a major libertarian ?

23:10:04 asciilifeform: and while i could, with some effort, shoehorn bitcoind into one of the still-produced alternatives for 'pogo' - all of which have no more than 32M of ram - it presumes something other than the mega-turd that linux kernel is.

23:10:40 asciilifeform: i'm taking a forced break, simply have no time presently

23:11:18 BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archives

23:11:18 assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5FIEk )

23:11:36 asciilifeform: and yes, esr was a barnacle on 'foss' from day one. authored inconsequential crap, claiming to be 'contributor'; attached his name to 'jargon file' historical book, having added various bogus entries; etc

23:11:40 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ESR professes as to be such

23:12:15 mircea_popescu: isn't he the guy with the catedral anbd bazaar book ?

23:12:38 asciilifeform: yes, him

23:12:56 BingoBoingo: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/deb-ian << Particularly related

23:12:57 assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Deb-Ian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5FUDw )

23:14:45 danielpbarron: asciilifeform, what about gentoo on the pogo?

23:15:08 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: linux kernel and minimal userland are massive compared to netbsd

23:15:27 danielpbarron: those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 ?

23:15:30 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the latter is almost -readable- in length

23:16:27 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: those can't be stored on /dev/sda1 << absolutely not. node must be self-contained and able to format a brand-new disk entirely on its own, when plugged in.

23:16:40 danielpbarron: ohh..

23:16:50 danielpbarron: right :/

23:17:16 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 128M of eeprom are more than enough to store whatever you want, but these things eat up ram footprint (both by themselves and when read-cached)

23:17:45 danielpbarron: is there a way to modify the linux that comes with the pogo?

23:17:48 danielpbarron: i have its source

23:17:56 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: but try to understand a more fundamental principle here. eventually this needs to turn into a system with -no- extraneous parts. as in, i take a stick and point to a byte, and you are able to tell me why it is there.

23:18:31 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i have not been able to build the linux that comes with pogo. the included patches do not apply cleanly.

23:18:41 danielpbarron: i haven't tried it yet

23:19:05 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit.

23:19:51 danielpbarron: so it's not just me; this stuff is just very frustrating

23:20:21 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: linux 2.6.x kernel is a mega-turd. and while there remains a single line therein which does not execute during the normal operation of bitcoind-on-pogo, i will maintain that this is true.

23:21:08 danielpbarron: i like your high standards :D

23:21:18 danielpbarron: i so wish that programmer castle school existed

23:21:40 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and there is no practical way to separate the 'flies from the cutlets' here. who here has even 'tried' building a lin. kernel with -not one- driver for hardware you don't have or want?

23:22:32 asciilifeform: it certainly cannot be accomplished by twiddling the usual config. there is crud in there by the megatonne, glued in with glass.

23:24:40 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit. <<< funny how much stock rms puts in the nude declaration, huh.

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23:25:31 danielpbarron: well i would still like to put gentoo on my pogo inplace of arch, even if it is not the final solution

23:25:51 asciilifeform: and before anyone asks, no, you can't automagically strip the crapolade away with a profiler. certain routines are quite legitimately there but are traversed infrequently (say, only when shutting down, or if disk is full, or a cable is unplugged, nuclear war has been declared, and so on.)

23:28:07 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: not so simple (doable, though) - it has to run from rom. you almost certainly must use 'buildroot.' i have a 'buildroot' config that grinds out a kernel and a userland, but said kernel fails to boot and produces no output to /dev/ttyS0 - despite being configured to do so. evidently the support for Marvell chips in the mainline 3.xx kernels is bogus.

23:28:55 *: danielpbarron sighs

23:29:16 asciilifeform: shitgnomes lie, lie, but that would be inconsequential if the lies did not also take the form of bogus code that supposedly functions, but go and try to replicate. not one thing in ten works as described or to spec.

23:29:53 mircea_popescu: one of the best parts of living in argentina ? you can have email exchanges with "don Pablo Picasso". literally.

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23:57:43 cazalla: at this rate, housing might outpace gavin's blocksize roadmap