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00:02:57 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046044 << quite.

00:02:57 assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 18:48:35; asciilifeform: whereas the real issue is, whether google should be permitted to stuff arbitrary strange into mainline kernel on their say-so

00:03:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046053 << you are seriously not missing out on anything.

00:03:33 assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 19:03:30; asciilifeform: the folks who are willing to use 'lynx' for 100% of their www needs already know who they are.

00:04:10 mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever.

00:04:35 mircea_popescu: if anyone claims something beats text he means that a) he's stupid and b) given a it's easier for him. fuck that person with old transformer cores.

00:05:13 asciilifeform: cad is a bitch with raw tty, but otherwise can't not agree

00:05:32 mircea_popescu: so make a cad station.

00:05:37 asciilifeform: sorta did.

00:05:40 mircea_popescu: so then.

00:06:01 mircea_popescu: you will not behehehelieve the improvements of productivity once you simply do not any longer support the methods of timewasters.

00:06:19 mircea_popescu: "no audio, no video, if you can't write it so i feel like reading it you never happened."

00:06:29 *: asciilifeform is presently lulzing at reciprocidad.provincianet.com.ar, where he is buying a ticket to ride argentina. like it were amusement park.

00:06:41 mircea_popescu: lol

00:09:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00032601 = 3.6839 BTC [+]

00:10:37 asciilifeform: !up saifedean

00:20:20 *: asciilifeform once took the theory described above by mircea_popescu to its logical conclusion and bought an ibm 'green phosphor' tty.

00:21:21 *: asciilifeform didn't stick with it long-term, but that's a story for another day

00:22:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, that thing mails plaintext pw

00:22:25 asciilifeform: the ar entry fee gizmo, that is

00:22:35 asciilifeform: other u.s. folks take note!

00:22:51 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6 ^^^^

00:22:52 ben_vulpes: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.cabochon.com/~stevey/blog-rants/tour-de-babel.html << more linkrot

00:22:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo also ?

00:23:16 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what was this

00:23:20 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah i saw that last year

00:23:31 ben_vulpes: it actually choked on my passport name

00:23:34 ben_vulpes: er, number

00:23:40 ben_vulpes: oh man i changed my name and have a new passport

00:23:46 ben_vulpes: i have to pay the reciprocity fee again don't i

00:23:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes went to ar last year!?

00:24:04 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is not news.

00:24:09 *: asciilifeform forgot this somehow

00:24:13 ben_vulpes: !s steak from:ben_vulpes

00:24:14 assbot: 0 results for 'steak from:ben_vulpes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=steak+from%3Aben_vulpes

00:24:21 *: asciilifeform vaguely recalls

00:24:21 ben_vulpes: !s steak from:benkay

00:24:22 assbot: 7 results for 'steak from:benkay' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=steak+from%3Abenkay

00:24:27 ben_vulpes: somewhere in there

00:24:31 asciilifeform: ^ that must be why forgot

00:24:36 asciilifeform: filed under old name in head.

00:24:48 asciilifeform: benkay -everyone knows- went to ar..

00:24:50 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the link in question is about amazon's use of emacs in their frontline customer support

00:24:57 ben_vulpes: what, he just did a runner?

00:25:09 asciilifeform: l0l

00:25:38 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at any rate, their online store thing claims it's valid for 10 yrs.

00:25:49 ben_vulpes: right

00:25:53 ben_vulpes: but it's filed under the old name.

00:25:56 asciilifeform: if you can prove same guy

00:26:00 ben_vulpes: what, do i bring all of my name change paperwork?

00:26:05 ben_vulpes: old, punched passport?

00:26:06 asciilifeform: probably ought to

00:26:11 ben_vulpes: will anyways.

00:26:20 ben_vulpes: ars is not actually the problem.

00:26:26 ben_vulpes: it's my own statal agents i've gotta convince the papers are legit.

00:26:27 asciilifeform: aha, on way back in

00:26:34 ben_vulpes: no, not even *in*

00:26:48 ben_vulpes: they actually won't let you on the plane without the paper printed out.

00:29:48 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've seen the "amusement park ticket" requirement for Argentina.

00:33:12 asciilifeform: '2015-02-18 16:30:53 We are Now Processing Your Order [...snippetysnip...] 2015-02-25 15:16:28 We Have Ordered PCBs for Your Order / 2015-03-09 21:26:08 We Have Received PCBs for Your Order'

00:33:22 asciilifeform: ferfphuxxsake

00:33:27 asciilifeform: slowpokes.

00:33:50 asciilifeform: 'made in usa' and it shows

00:37:05 mod6: <+asciilifeform> the ar entry fee gizmo, that is << lol wtf, you have to pay a 'reciprocity fee'?

00:37:38 asciilifeform: mod6: aha

00:38:01 mod6: mp: you run .ar now right? just tell 'em im comin and it's all good.

00:38:05 danielpbarron: that meowmix character found me on another irc network -- i recognize the hostmask; it appears to be from my area as well

00:38:49 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: if he's human, he ought to win a 'least distinguishable from perl script' award of some kind.

00:41:10 BingoBoingo: !b 2

00:41:11 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1N3TCSP.txt )

00:41:34 asciilifeform: http://www.migraciones.gov.ar/accesible/indexN.php?identidad_genero << lol!!

00:41:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7jiH6 )

00:42:45 BingoBoingo: lol http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/03/ios-8-2-uses-your-home-screen-as-an-apple-watch-advertisement/

00:42:46 assbot: iOS 8.2 uses your home screen as an Apple Watch advertisement | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7joi5 )

00:43:33 mod6: jesus cristo, $160!?

00:45:39 danielpbarron: i created a folder to dump all the undeletable apps and hide the whole thing on the last page

00:46:35 *: asciilifeform lulzz at how iPnohe needs a remote controller now

00:46:51 asciilifeform: why not make these briefcase-sized again

00:46:58 asciilifeform: like '80s mobiles

00:47:16 asciilifeform: if you're expected to speak into the wristwatch

00:47:41 danielpbarron: oo what about a shoe phone like in those old detective shows

00:47:55 asciilifeform: hruschevphone

00:50:02 danielpbarron: http://xkcd.com/1420/

00:50:03 assbot: xkcd: Watches ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7kaLX )

00:50:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00032227 = 4.0123 BTC [-]

00:57:39 asciilifeform: when are folks showing up in buenos aires again?

00:57:51 *: asciilifeform is about to buy ticket

01:01:50 mod6: i wont be there until like 9-10am friday morning. i leave on thursday afternoon.

01:16:48 cazalla: danielpbarron: i created a folder to dump all the undeletable apps and hide the whole thing on the last page <<< hah i do this too and the folder is titled useless

01:18:00 cazalla: but i don't use my phone much at all now since i was relegated back to iphone 4 after smashing the 5, if it wasn't for google maps i'd get rid of it

01:26:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: anything damning we ought to know about 'Aerolineas Argentinas' ?

01:26:48 asciilifeform: the price alone suggests that it might be their version of 'aeroflot'

01:27:33 cazalla: http://om.co/2015/03/09/a-statement-about-gigaom/ who's next?

01:28:15 asciilifeform: site is dead

01:28:41 asciilifeform: or hm, not

01:29:20 cazalla: tldr is that it's shutting down

01:29:27 asciilifeform: what even was it.

01:29:32 asciilifeform: hoster?

01:30:28 cazalla: gigaom was some tech site or other, never really read it tbh, just knew of the name

01:30:39 cazalla: here is mashable's ver anyway http://mashable.com/2015/03/09/farewell-gigaom-tech-news-powerhouse-shutting-down/

01:30:40 assbot: Farewell, GigaOm: Tech news powerhouse shutting down ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ac5R4R )

01:30:42 *: asciilifeform iirc never once heard of it

01:31:47 cazalla: here is the text from gigaom site if it's not loading for you http://dpaste.com/0BDQPTS.txt

01:31:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ac5Wp6 )

01:32:45 asciilifeform: why this death is notable? did they go down 'in style', taking $maxint of chumpmoney into neverneverland with them ?

01:36:34 cazalla: not that it's notable, just serves as another example of what is to come for similar sites

01:37:49 cazalla: as for bezzle.. "22.3 Million in 6 Rounds from 8 Investors " didn't seem to help

01:40:29 asciilifeform: ;;calc (22.3*10**6) / (400*10**3)

01:40:29 gribble: 55.75

01:40:52 asciilifeform: cazalla: it would have bought ~55 buses in a major american city.

01:41:08 asciilifeform: betcha 55 buses would turn a profit.

01:42:03 asciilifeform: make it a nice round 50, have some left over for petrol & drivers

01:42:20 asciilifeform: (and bakshish for city hall)

01:45:34 decimation: asciilifeform: re: passports < did you notice that the us state dept. now issues an 'rf proof' sleeve with all passports?

01:46:15 asciilifeform: decimation: nope

01:46:20 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the ar entry fee gizmo, that is << i don't think you can readily imagine how tech retarded the argentines actually are.

01:46:24 asciilifeform: decimation: last i saw, you had to spend an extra buck & buy it

01:46:30 mircea_popescu: picture small siberian village cca 1995.

01:46:35 asciilifeform: srsly?!

01:46:37 asciilifeform: l0l!

01:47:21 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> i have to pay the reciprocity fee again don't i << reciprocisquat all the names!

01:47:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13998 @ 0.00032155 = 4.5011 BTC [-]

01:47:54 decimation: http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/passports/FAQs.html < " Laser engraving and state-of-the-art security features minimize the possibility of counterfeiting and forgery. The card is issued with a protective sleeve that prevents the card from being read when not in use."

01:47:56 assbot: Frequently Asked Questions ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ac7zDs )

01:48:22 decimation: apparently the state department 'officially admitted' that the passports were insecure and leaked info

01:49:31 decimation: re: apple watch < my question: did they spend an extra $10 for a temperature compensated crystal oscillator or does it have a cheapass crystal which requires constant correction

01:49:42 decimation: not that it much matters, given that it will barely work for a day without charging

01:50:26 asciilifeform: decimation: almost certainly the cheapest crystal (if any! might well have rc oscillator!) - given as the thing only works with iPnohe, which has always-on tcp

01:50:31 asciilifeform: (and hence ntp)

01:50:48 decimation: I thought it had its own built-in gps

01:51:15 mircea_popescu: <mod6> mp: you run .ar now right? just tell 'em im comin and it's all good. < haha nah.

01:51:32 decimation: ah apparently not. that makes it absolutely worthless for any purpose

01:51:59 mod6: awe!

01:52:01 asciilifeform: decimation: it's a remote for iPnohe. mega-snore. other vendors had these ages ago.

01:52:11 asciilifeform: (for turdroid)

01:52:21 decimation: yeah. I would be interested in it if it could be used as a heart-rate monitor only

01:52:29 decimation: but apple isn't in the business of making functionality

01:52:33 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: anything damning we ought to know about 'Aerolineas Argentinas' ? << i think they've notlost a plane yet.

01:52:33 mod6: mircea_popescu: is someone coming to pick me up from the aeropuerto tho?

01:52:43 asciilifeform: mod6 asks good question

01:52:51 ben_vulpes: 'twas promised!

01:52:56 asciilifeform: as in, from what day's the room booked, and till what

01:53:14 asciilifeform: because i'm being offered l337 discountz if come early & go late, etc

01:53:25 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> hoster? << gigaom was a ms shill back when ballmer was new and ms thought blogs might matter.

01:53:42 mircea_popescu: mod6 yup

01:54:00 mod6: aw sweet. thx!

01:54:04 mircea_popescu: "Gigaom is winding down and its assets are now controlled by the company?s lenders. It is not how you want the story of a company you founded to end. " << ahaha. this is so fucking convenient.

01:54:23 mircea_popescu: goes with my "Remember the inept newsweek goon, Leah McGrath Goodman ? The chick with the mortgage she can't pay on her own ? Like that other chick, like each and every other chick in this quagmire of chickdom ?

01:54:23 mircea_popescu: That's the thing. It looks like it should work, on the surface. If you don't dig too deeply, you may even come to the mistaken belief it worked for others. Meanwhile... Social Studies Do Not Work."

01:55:50 decimation: so the eu announced they would be printing euros, and in reaction german gov't bonds... rallied?

01:56:23 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> srsly?! << yes srsly. http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ba-15-5.jpg

01:56:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENMlRb )

01:56:26 decimation: ;;ticker

01:56:27 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 293.55, Best ask: 293.67, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 293.55, 24 hour volume: 66303.97185286, 24 hour low: 275.56, 24 hour high: 295.99, 24 hour vwap: None

01:56:30 decimation: as did bitcoin

01:57:20 asciilifeform: la finalizacion del soporte [!!!] para windows xp....

01:57:24 asciilifeform: ^^^ l0l!

01:57:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you can enjoy your discounts, vipness is accomodating.

01:58:02 asciilifeform: neato-matic.

01:58:08 decimation: 'nobody was fired for buying microsoft'

01:58:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that thing is pretty much THE showcase thing, about 20 feet tall, two blocks from center of town, right by natl theatre

02:00:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HwDEfDMdFTU/R1NwsoURThI/AAAAAAAADCE/RhHA4Zabjxk/s1600-R/largest-adobe-flash-crash-closeup.gif << times square, nyc.

02:00:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENNicn )

02:00:27 mircea_popescu: maybe they were going for that then

02:05:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046045 << this is accurate.

02:05:26 assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 18:49:19; asciilifeform: a good chunk of the reputation of linus t. is that he's been fairly effective at keeping a lid on this kind of thing, historically

02:05:33 mircea_popescu: all the derps derping derpage about how linus "iusn

02:06:13 mircea_popescu: isn't nice"/up to whatever libertarded snuff miss the point by a planetsize. his capital 100% consists of reliably telling "authorities" to go fuck themselves. sorta like me, in his field.

02:06:32 mircea_popescu: which is why he is a central figure, and a nail off which many hats are hung. the moment he comes loose off of that, he lost it all.

02:07:07 mircea_popescu: this mentioned mostly to explain why om malik was never worth anything, and the "entrepreneurship" he deludes himself with / defrauded naive investors with pure puff.

02:10:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046079 << somethimes this approach is notbad.jpg such as for instance http://36.media.tumblr.com/72032cc1ee0dfc7a09dafad2184448b0/tumblr_mzns2gMtxD1r2lceuo5_1280.jpg

02:10:03 assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 19:09:12; thestringpuller: punkman: keybase is forcing users to trust in central authority rather than forcing users to learn "their lessons"

02:10:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENPIb5 )

02:10:34 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller who made http://i.imgur.com/t2sfuot.jpg ?

02:10:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ENPRLA )

02:21:38 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: we may never know. just thought it was relevant when I saw it on r/bitcoin

02:21:56 mircea_popescu: pretty great.

02:22:51 mircea_popescu: the fact that it's one of the lamest "superheroes" (ghost something i dun recall) of one of the lamest "brands" (hanna-barbera, makers of utter age of crap atrocities like scooby doo and the jetsons) only bolsters the point

02:22:53 mircea_popescu: by like > 9000

02:23:26 thestringpuller: lol mircea_popescu never saw space ghost coast 2 coast

02:23:41 thestringpuller: Space Ghost had a night show before Colbert did you know...

02:24:16 mircea_popescu: and obama ate his own feces before pan troglodytes ?

02:24:27 mircea_popescu: what sort of contest was there.

02:29:49 mircea_popescu: !up JustSomeGuy

02:29:56 JustSomeGuy: thnx

02:30:04 mircea_popescu: sure.

02:30:42 cazalla: mircea_popescu, do you get tamarillo's over that way?

02:33:38 mircea_popescu: if they do i never had one

02:33:49 danielpbarron: spaceghost is the show ATHF spun off from

02:34:30 cazalla: i read they grow em next door in chile.. quite nice (old guy over the back has a tree)

02:34:55 cazalla: it's like a tomato and passionfruit combined

02:35:19 mircea_popescu: http://santa-fe.guia.clarin.com/cementerio-parque-de-la-eternidad-del-grupo-funarg/515224 << funarg problem

02:35:22 assbot: Cementerio Parque De La Eternidad Del Grupo Funarg en Rosario, sucursal de Salta 3070,Rosario,Santa Fe ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbdKGL )

02:36:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57426 @ 0.00032569 = 18.7031 BTC [+] {4}

02:37:00 asciilifeform: http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/LISP/MIT/Weizenbaum-FUNARG_Problem_Explained-1968.pdf << yes, that weizenbaum. (of 'eliza.') and pdf because scan of a scan of a xerox of a xerox...

02:39:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2015#1046150 << such nonsense.

02:39:36 assbot: Logged on 08-03-2015 19:31:23; decimation: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/08/on-secretly-terrible-engineers/ < mostly rambling but has an interesting point "The difference between finance, management consulting, and engineering is that the first two fields have status hierarchy, and the third one doesn’t."

02:40:20 mircea_popescu: all fields have hierarchy. good fields like finance, consulting and [good] engineering have competence based hierarchy. bad fields like women in tech, women in blabla have derpage based hierarchy.

02:42:36 mircea_popescu: props to the idiot women running tech crunch nowadays tho, going to town with their typically idiotic "we claim nonsense as fact, because bois are generally too shy to tell us to stuff it"

02:45:47 mircea_popescu: "I?ve always been curious what all these people have been up to in the Valley. Where do they go all day? What do they do? If we are so surrounded by lackluster talent, how do we build all of these companies that seem to be taking over the world?"

02:45:49 mircea_popescu: ooookay.

02:45:58 mircea_popescu: taking over my penis already.

02:46:53 mircea_popescu: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/05/07/the-lying-liars-who-lie-about-psychiatry/ << this guy is a) banal and b) nutty.

02:46:55 assbot: The lying liars who lie about psychiatry « Jon Rappoport's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1NCtzjU )

02:47:09 mircea_popescu: i'd prefer the opposite of b, but in no case am i interested in anything but the opposite of a.

02:47:43 asciilifeform: so perhaps it was -that- rappoport

02:48:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1047093 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2015#1047096

02:48:10 assbot: Logged on 09-03-2015 23:56:03; asciilifeform: lol, rappoport! directly affiliated with d. icke, iirc? who gave us the lizards ?

02:48:10 assbot: Logged on 09-03-2015 23:56:39; asciilifeform: http://www.nomorefakenews.com << him ?

02:54:45 decimation: re: 'what do they do: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2009/05/far-out-space-nuts.html < related “The Americans have gone to the moon. And the Russians. The Chinese and Indians will go there soon. Africans are the only ones who are stuck here,” Museveni said, addressing a meeting of the Uganda Law Society in Entebbe.“We must also go there and say: ‘What are you people doing up here?’”

02:54:46 assbot: Across Difficult Country: Far out space nuts ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbhjNb )

02:55:01 ben_vulpes: haha

03:00:15 decimation: ben_vulpes: did you solve your osx emacs woes?

03:00:28 decimation: the macports 'emacs-app' works fine for me

03:05:18 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards < note the complete lack of modern intel xeons on the 'supported' list

03:05:22 assbot: Supported Motherboards - coreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbjsbB )

03:12:58 ben_vulpes: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2015/03/09/announcing-starfighter/ << on the topic of "no quality engineers"

03:12:59 assbot: Announcing Starfighter | Kalzumeus Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbkJ2C )

03:13:31 danielpbarron: i guess it wasn't bitcoind that caused the power cycle; just happened again just now and it wasn't running..

03:16:35 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> so perhaps it was -that- rappoport << seems entirely plausible

03:18:40 decimation: ben_vulpes: lol, maybe we can 'seo' the brains of prospective hires

03:20:41 mircea_popescu: i knew that church idiot wasn't the only cockroach in the kitchen

03:20:51 mircea_popescu: i suppose this is going to be the next personal trainer.

03:21:59 decimation: actually he is making exactly the same error that you claim the iq testing guys are making

03:22:12 mircea_popescu: aha ?

03:22:19 decimation: the ability solve random puzzle games probably has nearly nothing to do with being a productive employee

03:23:04 decimation: it might yield interesting patterns across large demographics, but the bridge of causality has yet to be constructed

03:23:21 mircea_popescu: something like that

03:23:40 mircea_popescu: just like the pizzeria that gives you a cute plushie isn't necessarily going to be the best pizza for your buck.

03:24:59 decimation: there is a mystery: plenty of folks sit around all day playing WoW, etc for hours, and yet cannot find a productive 'real job'

03:25:51 mircea_popescu: the job thing cuts so low that it is absolutely NEVER the case ANYONE couldn't find a job. it's just they do not wish to do the jobs available to them.

03:26:20 mircea_popescu: the 2nd and 3rd degree losses from this far outstrip the 1st degree.

03:27:10 mircea_popescu: ie, random imbecile 20something figures it's ok for him to forego employment as the guy bagging my groceries on the grounds that he can do without the 380 a week that job pays, and besides, he's a college grad! so he plays wow.

03:27:32 mircea_popescu: this does not cost him just the 380, but also the ease of interacting with people that job would have forced upon him. so he has no girlfriend.

03:27:43 mircea_popescu: and also the sort of self discipline that job forces on him, so he is now also fat.

03:28:05 mircea_popescu: these are 2nd degree. then the town he lives in goes to shit, because no servants can be found, so smart people leave and usg moves in.

03:28:15 mircea_popescu: that's the 3rd degree. soon enough the whole charade collapsed.

03:28:34 decimation: then he's lowered into peasant-hood and has to work to eat?

03:28:39 mircea_popescu: nope.

03:28:56 mircea_popescu: he gets killed by a "terrorist" who proceeds to rape his corpse and boil his pet.

03:29:19 mircea_popescu: there's no easy ways out.

03:29:21 decimation: heh. others of his kind post on reddit about how terrible this is

03:29:50 mircea_popescu: for all the difference that'll make...

03:30:09 mircea_popescu: i suppose the terrorist can then wipe his bloody tool on reddit screencaps printed on archival paper

03:32:58 mircea_popescu: a normally functioning economy would incentivize him to get out of the loop, by for instance starvation. however... all this desire to "help people" the wrong way, and the overpowered and hyperactive mothers that overprotect the squirrulous fruit of their womb makes any sort of meaningful rescue impossible.

03:35:18 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in saner countries, http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac4ddb551c451eab25d59445a170f180/tumblr_mywedrd2KT1sjp5vmo1_400.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/9ea7cf2925cde2838e3b7fe6084060ac/tumblr_mywedrd2KT1sjp5vmo2_400.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/079aee9ef30fd118676cd7c204377622/tumblr_mywedrd2KT1sjp5vmo3_400.gif

03:35:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbowwO )

03:35:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AboyEX )

03:35:24 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Abox3Q )

03:37:14 ben_vulpes: ahaha so let me trumpet the superiority of my woman for a moment

03:37:20 ben_vulpes: her mother's been banging on for a visit recently

03:37:23 ben_vulpes: lady v has scheduled this trip to coincide with con3

03:37:39 mircea_popescu: o, she's not coming over ?

03:37:59 ben_vulpes: wags was a bust last round according to you

03:38:30 mircea_popescu: ah yeah.

03:44:07 cazalla: danielpbarron, lol @rabite blocked me now

03:45:12 danielpbarron: me too

03:45:14 danielpbarron: :D

03:58:19 mircea_popescu: o.O

03:58:59 ben_vulpes: the troll who trained shanley? blocking trolls?

03:59:31 mircea_popescu: these guys must be really good.

04:02:41 ben_vulpes: https://vid.me/e/HNrC << working on obedience at distance in casa vulpes esta noche

04:02:42 assbot: Video upload (HNrC) - vidme ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOfSdC )

04:05:41 decimation: mircea_popescu: re: terrorist < eh, I don't see it. what does it benefit the terrorist to even bother?

04:05:54 decimation: other than being a megalomaniac and/or sick fuck

04:09:14 decimation: on another note, another lesson to learn from the french revolution: the problem with being a lefty populist is that there's always someone else who is a little more left and a little more populist

04:10:46 decimation: because unlike reactionaries, nobody on the left can actually claim to legitimately vest sovereignty in a particular person - all leftist government are of a temporary and emergency nature

04:11:59 cazalla: not that i'd buy one, but at least these new mac laptops have 16:10 display.. with all the 16:9's doing away with master race 16:10's, it must be coming back into fashion

04:13:08 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that beast yours ?

04:13:30 asciilifeform: longdog is long

04:14:56 decimation: asciilifeform: re: old macbooks < apparently coreboot supports the old 1,1 and 2,1 macbooks

04:15:56 asciilifeform: decimation: iirc 'efi' (standard apple/sun/sgi bootloader) a) has published source b) doesn't do particularly much in the first place

04:16:12 decimation: yeah, good point.

04:16:33 decimation: the main issue are all the peripherals. they sort of work.

04:16:43 decimation: but probably not suspend-to-ram

04:16:47 *: asciilifeform has had more than his fill of 'sort of work

04:16:48 asciilifeform: '

04:18:06 decimation: more interesting are all of the server motherboards, but it seems like support is limited to old opterons

04:18:47 asciilifeform: pretty much whole amd product line works

04:20:58 ben_vulpes: why is suspend to ram such a big deal?

04:21:16 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: for me in particular? or asking why difficult to implement correctly

04:21:26 ben_vulpes: for you in particular.

04:21:29 asciilifeform: aha

04:21:40 asciilifeform: because i often use machine for a minute or two at a time

04:21:48 asciilifeform: and then put back on shelf or in bag

04:21:53 asciilifeform: and have no desire to boot

04:22:03 asciilifeform: or, conversely, to lose state when closed down

04:22:19 *: asciilifeform does not carry out crypto or secret work of whatever kind on such machines

04:22:34 ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/F6KDREa << my beast, fairly long. yellow object is nine inches.

04:22:35 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkErI )

04:22:48 ben_vulpes: also tonight the beast acquired a new trick: "hold the fuck still while i put things on you"

04:23:11 cazalla: i love dogs but a dog in the house.. i dunno mang

04:23:19 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes got the dog properly level ?

04:24:06 cazalla: my staffy lived for 16 years and she was only permitted into the laundry

04:24:40 asciilifeform: leg shape in toilet on upper right hand corner of photo is ben_vulpes ?

04:24:57 asciilifeform: or other pet

04:25:37 cazalla: asciilifeform, towel or gown is my bed

04:25:40 cazalla: bet

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04:37:00 ben_vulpes: hahahahaha

04:37:02 ben_vulpes: towel.

04:37:09 asciilifeform: lol

04:37:17 ben_vulpes: y'no see the tag, and the drapes, and the tag, and the being of in the bathroom?

04:38:46 mircea_popescu: <decimation> other than being a megalomaniac and/or sick fuck << kinda the definition.

04:39:49 asciilifeform: processing of homo redditicus by countereconomic 'hobbyist' sick fuck is only one possibility

04:39:58 asciilifeform: there is also colonization and industrial rendering for biodiesel.

04:40:43 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/rjMI2Dh.gif

04:40:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOoCk4 )

04:40:47 asciilifeform: a la incas or east eur. / east asia circa ww2

04:45:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6546 @ 0.00032732 = 2.1426 BTC [-]

04:51:32 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

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05:57:47 mircea_popescu: hey, has doge registered the .moon tld yet ?

05:57:54 mircea_popescu: doge.moon sounds pretty apt.

06:15:45 BingoBoingo: No idea if they have? can they afford a tld?

06:31:30 mircea_popescu: well if they sold all the doge in the world...

06:31:47 mircea_popescu: i guess the answer im looking for is no.

06:36:39 mircea_popescu: and in the daily wtf, http://40.media.tumblr.com/7213e1473373def4e3cff85f189a6ae1/tumblr_nira03BKqI1u1gbqro1_1280.jpg

06:36:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5PvAc )

06:42:20 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047115 << this is why i don't quite buy the "trillion dollar project" argument.

06:42:20 assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 00:04:10; mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever.

06:42:42 mircea_popescu: which argument is that ?

06:43:06 ben_vulpes: redoing modern compute is impossible without your own icbm and maintenance staff for.

06:43:10 ben_vulpes: icmbs*

06:43:14 ben_vulpes: and silos and etc etc

06:43:16 mircea_popescu: ah. alf just likes hyperbolae

06:43:25 ben_vulpes: i know this, but for the loggerheads.

06:43:26 mircea_popescu: a pretty good place to deploy them, too.

06:43:37 ben_vulpes: the argument deserves surfacing.

06:43:44 mircea_popescu: no rush anyway.

06:43:54 ben_vulpes: it's a trillion dollar project if you swallow the whole spitoon of what constitutes modern computing.

06:43:57 ben_vulpes: x11, the whole nine.

06:43:57 mircea_popescu: the world was apparently content to wait fifty fucking years for us to come along

06:44:05 mircea_popescu: it can wait while i finish my cake slice too.

06:45:19 mircea_popescu: it's so apt that, you know that ilf of ilf & petrov fame also was an initialism ?

06:47:06 mircea_popescu: for that matter, it is unclear to me that the notion of "fonts" adds any value whatsoever and is anything other than shitgnomism, 80s flavour.

06:47:35 mircea_popescu: not to mention i still distinctly recall my cat-ish mistrust as an 8 yo boy confronted with "special symbols". why exactly something like $ is even needed, or useful, is imo still open to debate.

06:47:54 mircea_popescu: 27 fucking letters and be happy if you get case next version.

06:50:09 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/who-made-this/

06:52:26 mircea_popescu: and with that, i'm off!

06:54:16 ben_vulpes: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=c517d838eb7d07bbe9507871fab3931deccff539

06:54:17 assbot: kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hs5VCs )

06:58:03 cazalla: thestringpuller, ya see hotline miami 2 is out.. i didn't, it's fucking banned in australia lol

06:58:18 ben_vulpes: movies get banned in oz?

07:01:15 cazalla: yes, e.g battle royale

07:03:13 cazalla: ken park was another

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07:36:31 mats: http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer

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07:36:43 mats: hello cuties

07:45:43 mats: http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~yoonguk/papers/kim-isca14.pdf

07:45:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E809EU )

07:48:30 ben_vulpes: oh that's delightful

08:05:41 punkman: https://twitter.com/neweraesthetics/status/574869026817601536

08:05:42 assbot: TREASURYPUNK http://t.co/GH9ig69CkR

09:12:11 davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu hory shet, i was just thinking about this, how every single bitcoin noob and nigger displays this particular feature, he has "found a problem", and "wants to fix it"

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09:29:45 davout: !rate justusranvier -10 not sure whether the guy is malicious, stupid or both. either way...

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09:31:05 davout: ;;rate justusranvier -10 not sure whether the guy is malicious, stupid or both. either way...

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09:33:39 cazalla: davout, that 20mb block size limit thread derailed 50 pages back

09:34:18 davout: cazalla: yeah, that's right. i just need to kill some time while http://xkcd.com/303/

09:34:19 assbot: xkcd: Compiling ... ( http://bit.ly/1wVwPlw )

09:45:57 kakobrekla: speaking of xkcd, such pogo: http://xkcd.com/1495/

09:45:57 assbot: xkcd: Hard Reboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AZBAWd )

09:49:22 davout: kakobrekla: lmao

09:59:32 davout: kakobrekla: you're not coming to BA btw?

10:00:09 kakobrekla: correct.

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10:17:53 davout: kakobrekla: :-(

11:14:08 cazalla: I?m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers ? the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I?m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I?m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin ? the next major release, which will be sometime

11:14:08 cazalla: in the June timeframe ? to have a scheduled hardfork to increase the block size in it. I probably won?t get there. It?ll probably be in the release after that, but we?ll see.

11:14:31 cazalla: i

11:14:42 cazalla: i'll give you one guess as to who i am quoting

11:17:44 davout: cazalla: gah-veen of course

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11:40:53 adlai: cazalla: battle royale << i'm sorry but that was a terrible movie, basically Running Man without arnie = worthless

11:41:12 cazalla: how dare you!

11:42:01 cazalla: adlai, are you sure you're not confusing br1 with br2?

11:42:01 adlai: usually i like cult films but this is an exception, if it wasn't for hours of boredom that had to be staved off somehow i'd never have even finished it

11:42:28 adlai: hmmaybe? i just watched whatever the other sergeant said was a movie we had to watch

11:42:47 *: adlai spent >90% of his lifelong screen-watching-time in the army

11:43:16 adlai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YAAku7kTro

11:43:17 assbot: jarhead - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EPXalL )

11:43:49 cazalla: i enjoyed it but it's not exactly up there amongst my top fav cult films, that spot is claimed by a chinese ghost story and the young and dangerous series

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11:45:55 adlai: soylent green!

11:47:15 cazalla: i'll have to check that one out

11:48:25 adlai: what really amazed/disappointed me was that NONE of the initial press coverage of 'soylent cream' mentioned 'soylent green'

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13:13:08 mircea_popescu: davout ayup, it's a thing.

13:13:26 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047115 << implies that text is by far fastest/most reliable channel to push bits into the brain

13:13:26 assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 00:04:10; mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever.

13:13:42 mircea_popescu: it does.

13:13:49 jurov: i concede all the other attempts were feeble, but it may not be the ultimate case

13:13:51 mircea_popescu: if it weren't, we wouldn't CODE IN FUCKING TEXT

13:14:32 mircea_popescu: the day someone makes derp++ and starts iterating splines in a cube conditional, we can revisit this.

13:15:46 mircea_popescu: that said, feel free to draw out your love and other emotions, preferably directly on the object, with sticky matter.

13:15:57 jurov: that's not what i'm saying

13:16:26 jurov: i'm saying it looks like local optimum and when retina is fully reverse-engineered, better methods may be found

13:16:38 jurov: but everyone is so used to text, it will be hard

13:16:52 jurov: *local maximum

13:17:29 mircea_popescu: that somehow didn't emerge. so wait, reverse engineer the retina ? in what sense ? it's pretty well described as is

13:18:23 jurov: even if, the knowledge is not yet being used in practice to achieve better bitrates

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13:19:04 mircea_popescu: i think the bitrate approach misses the fundamental point here. you'll never beat the bitrate of "put out random pixels" with any bitmap approach.

13:19:14 mircea_popescu: this is where anything but text fails : no abstractive power.

13:19:28 mircea_popescu: a curve does not meaningfully stand for a set of curves like a word stands for a set of words.

13:20:07 jurov: there was the cad example, for curves that meaningfully stand for something

13:20:30 mircea_popescu: only because there's a textual context to generously support it.

13:20:34 mircea_popescu: you can't make a cad based kernel.

13:20:51 mircea_popescu: and if you can't do that, which is the absolute bare minimum of communication, you can't do anything meaningful.,

13:21:22 jurov: you don't tell me what i can do and don't. i already combine charts and text for production code

13:22:10 jurov: but i consider things like drakon editor a feeble attempt led by gut feeling of russina mathematicians

13:22:15 jurov: *russian

13:22:42 mircea_popescu: well actually, yeah, this is what i do :) my fucking thesis was on the limits of knowledge.

13:22:43 jurov: and woinder if they have known what we know of retina, how would it end up

13:22:59 mircea_popescu: an' i'm tellin' you, "visual" is not a complete language.

13:23:25 mircea_popescu: obviously it's an adjunct. everything can be an adjunct to speech.

13:23:51 dignork: jurov: afaik it was russian project where they tried to build complex software, like space c&c.

13:23:57 mircea_popescu: (In linguistics, an adjunct is an optional, or structurally dispensable, part of a sentence, clause, or phrase that, if removed or discarded, will not otherwise affect the remainder of the sentence.)

13:24:53 jurov: lol. you know deafies are considering whole speech as "dispensable"

13:25:03 jurov: signs are teh best!!1

13:25:17 mircea_popescu: signs are a reimplementation of speech.

13:25:28 mircea_popescu: this is like saying "my ms dos fixedsys display is graphical"

13:25:50 jurov: not for prelingval deaf, the "grammar" is purely visual

13:25:51 mircea_popescu: (i didn't mean speech as in the sound thereof)

13:26:10 jurov: and they hate the 1:1 attempts to translat speech into signs

13:26:46 mircea_popescu: eh, while i can appreciate the theoretical beauty of this "fuck you, i'm a dragon" approach, i do not credit it any. in fact, i think it only exists because the context is of the "fuck you, dragons" nature.

13:27:18 mircea_popescu: and i think the sort of idiots running around pretending "everything;'s something!11" are doing deaf people a major disfavor.

13:29:08 jurov: as compared to pretending "text is everything and forever will be"?

13:29:26 mircea_popescu: right.

13:29:35 jurov: i have videos and podcasts as anyone, but this?

13:29:39 jurov: *hate

13:31:40 mircea_popescu: let's move it in a different field. you acquainted with the happenstance that iconoclastic civilisations prospered intellectually whereas iconocladic civilisations failed ?

13:33:21 jurov: yes

13:34:05 mircea_popescu: so do you explain it ?

13:34:33 kakobrekla: just lucky i guess.

13:35:05 jurov: egypt prospered thousands of yeats with *very* augmented text

13:35:12 jurov: *years

13:35:35 mircea_popescu: to be fair, i loved the "visual equalizer" in whatever program first played mp3s on 386s, single session. and obviously computers are for pronz.

13:35:48 jurov: the original discussion was that having X*Y fixed terminal is sufficient for every intellectual endeavor

13:36:17 jurov: that was what prompted me

13:36:28 mircea_popescu: more like, "x*y field terminal is great for cutting out timewasters"

13:39:13 jurov: i see

13:39:47 mircea_popescu: it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't. exactly the opposite service of a powerpoint presentation.

13:40:05 mircea_popescu: but that said, computers are still for pronz.

13:40:21 adlai: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Quicksort_DRAKON.png vs http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithms/Quicksort

13:40:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnisGd )

13:40:25 assbot: Sorting algorithms/Quicksort - Rosetta Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnitd1 )

13:40:56 mircea_popescu: adlai you're not seriously proposing innovative pagination turns text into "graphical" do you ?

13:41:13 *: adlai proposes nothing, just dumps links in the logs

13:41:28 mircea_popescu: lol

13:41:41 mircea_popescu: particularly bad example too, quicksort is like seven lines forty words.

13:41:59 adlai: i've not yet encountered something which worked better for me than text, but i'm not sold on it being the global maximum, short of sticking wires in the brain

13:42:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't << why not goose quill pen, then

13:42:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a simple restriction on volume.

13:42:25 asciilifeform: i understand the appeal of 'this is the fucking army, you will paint the snow white until your fucking beg'

13:42:50 asciilifeform: but pray tell what were the 'timewasters' on a 'symbolics' box ?

13:42:56 mircea_popescu: well, more like, "if you can't say it in words you've not understood it"

13:43:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i will use your own body to defeat you! how long did you spent with the box, and how much did you make in that time ?

13:43:48 asciilifeform: or for that matter mathematical symbols. modern mathematics -began- when they switched from naked words to the occasional piece of graphical 'garbage'

13:44:32 adlai: how about "if you can't present it in an original fashion, you've not understood it"

13:44:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no dice. spent as little time as did with box because a good chunk of it is replicated in my modern 'emacs' - with which i've made just about everything in my adult life

13:44:44 mircea_popescu: no it didn't. modern mathematics began once they gave up the "mysticism" and "unexpressible" and "obvious" visual/intuitive nonsense and started putting everything in words.

13:44:48 adlai: granted, most presentations will be words

13:45:21 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/var/SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v

13:45:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQP4P9 )

13:46:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well then that's all i got, because i've never spent considerable enough time with one to say anything cogent.

13:46:09 adlai: !s SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v

13:46:10 assbot: 0 results for 'SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v

13:46:10 asciilifeform: now all of this probably plays into mircea_popescu's thesis, because it turns out that the main use of graphical bitmaps in a 'symbolics' box or in my emacs is to better shovel text around

13:46:22 mircea_popescu: heh!

13:46:24 asciilifeform: adlai: it used to be a link to my site

13:46:40 asciilifeform: adlai: but the original google video was censored

13:46:44 asciilifeform: so we cached it.

13:46:50 mircea_popescu: wait, we do that ?!

13:46:57 adlai: aha, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=932

13:46:58 assbot: Loper OS » Kalman Reti, the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQPvJ8 )

13:47:03 asciilifeform: kakobrekla offered that time

13:47:18 asciilifeform: because thing wasn't just some idiot talking, but a film of the machine in use

13:47:34 asciilifeform: yet another example of an item for which you absolutely need a moving picture

13:48:10 mircea_popescu: is it computer pronz ?

13:48:19 asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat

13:48:27 adlai: eh, the information in a video can be reliably conveyed through a transcript

13:48:34 asciilifeform: adlai: nope.

13:48:35 asciilifeform: not that one.

13:48:37 asciilifeform: fucking watch it

13:48:43 adlai: 2 minutes left

13:48:52 adlai: until then, i'm here

13:49:02 *: adlai remains silent, to leave some doubt

13:49:47 adlai: asciilifeform: what of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=858 ?

13:49:49 assbot: Loper OS » May 2012 Update ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQQhGd )

13:50:02 asciilifeform: adlai: shelved

13:50:21 adlai: that's nice, for the shelf

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13:50:36 asciilifeform: adlai: because started falling into c shitpit

13:50:51 adlai: why not write it in lisp?

13:51:54 asciilifeform: adlai: because c os

13:52:13 asciilifeform: adlai: if i could choose just one small idea from my entire set of writings to survive, it would be that 'abstractions push up'

13:52:19 asciilifeform: as well as down

13:52:46 asciilifeform: the basic idea was known to the ancients as 'spoonfull of shit in a barrel of honey'

13:52:53 asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had an article re: same.

13:52:54 adlai: in this case, the problem is that limitations push upwards

13:53:20 mircea_popescu: well... chicks not having two cunts certainly has made it so we don't have two penises, amirite ?

13:54:22 asciilifeform: adlai: if you're curious, i quit the emulator when i realized that even the text output absolutely trivial on a dataflow machine cannot be rendered in real time on a von neumann box (simply attach dependency graph to each rectangle of video buffer ram)

13:54:38 asciilifeform: to explain this in usable detail would take a while

13:54:42 asciilifeform: but perhaps the basic idea is clear

13:54:53 adlai: the basic idea is an obvious limitation of von neumann

13:55:05 asciilifeform: and one that breaks, in practice, the turing thesis

13:55:12 asciilifeform: some things -can't- be emulated usably

13:55:23 asciilifeform: (mathematically - in 'batch mode' - yes. usably in real time - no)

13:55:39 asciilifeform: now wondering if mircea_popescu will suggest bringing back batch processing

13:55:50 asciilifeform: because that was surely the ultimate 'derp zapper'

13:55:58 mircea_popescu: lol

13:56:04 asciilifeform: batch programmers typically never even saw the machine...

13:56:51 mircea_popescu: well actually, under the "least bugs in code" criteria, the best programming was done 1100ad - 1700ad.

13:57:04 mircea_popescu: why stop at batch mode :D

13:57:10 asciilifeform: there we go.

13:57:55 asciilifeform: but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang.

13:58:03 asciilifeform: what a bitch it'd be

13:58:15 asciilifeform: good abstractions are not only orthogonal and well-chosen, but -compact-

13:58:21 asciilifeform: brainspacewise

13:58:49 mircea_popescu: trivial to write integrals in plain language, what.

13:58:51 mircea_popescu: "integral"

13:59:02 asciilifeform: i said triple

13:59:06 asciilifeform: with varying params

13:59:36 mircea_popescu: i still dunno why you think the current notation is somehow nonverbal.

14:00:11 asciilifeform: it isn't nonverbal in the sense of what geometers liked to do

14:00:21 asciilifeform: but used 'weird symbols' not found on my keyboard, was the point

14:01:28 mircea_popescu: well that's your point, but notrly what was discussed. a simple mapping from that to "integral" and problem solved.

14:01:32 mircea_popescu: a symbol is a symbol.

14:01:33 asciilifeform: http://www.tutapoint.com/kcimages/TripleIntegraParaboloidPlate_.jpg << pulled out of the aether arbitrarily for folks who had too many years from school

14:01:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQTHIT )

14:01:39 asciilifeform: to illustrate what is being spoken of

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14:02:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simple mapping to the word brutally linearizes the expression

14:02:09 asciilifeform: forces you to demunge it in your head

14:02:33 asciilifeform: there is a reason why newton and leibniz both came up with new symbols for this example

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14:02:52 mircea_popescu: "triple integral for x = 4y**2 + 4z**2 and x=4"

14:03:02 asciilifeform: and what of the bounds ?

14:03:10 asciilifeform: glommed on separately somewhere ?

14:03:11 mircea_popescu: implicit neh ?

14:03:31 asciilifeform: l0l!

14:03:41 mircea_popescu: but it is!

14:03:46 asciilifeform: in this problem!

14:03:55 mircea_popescu: WHICH IS MY POINT :D

14:03:58 asciilifeform: whatddoihavetodo, scan a schoolbook! lol

14:04:09 mircea_popescu: exactly! see ?

14:04:10 asciilifeform: let's suppose they weren't implicit.

14:04:22 asciilifeform: easily most of real life

14:04:28 mircea_popescu: the very general case where it's easier to show me than to tell me reduces to pr0n.

14:05:13 mircea_popescu: (/me could have been deformed by years of insisting pets verbalize as part of their education)

14:05:37 asciilifeform: or simply to the fact that straight line of alphabet yes, can unambiguously describe everything. but it takes titanic space for a large class of concepts

14:06:14 asciilifeform: human languages as a class aren't even automatically unambiguous structurewise, and to hammer them into this shape results in the kind of verbiage that led people to invent 'squigglies' in the first place.

14:06:33 mircea_popescu: the more important point here was if you're somehow going to leverage the visual processor to think with, rather than whether it sometimes saves representative space for the linguistic processor to conveniently symbolize.

14:07:15 mircea_popescu: natural language "ambiguity" is a machine problem, not a human problem.

14:07:18 asciilifeform: when you teach the pets to reassemble kalash, will it be visually (tactile!) or verbally ?

14:07:21 jurov: there are cases linguistic processor may require storage of more than 7 items

14:07:26 *: adlai sees a surprising parallel between processing a long string of characters and the von neumann approach to executing a linear sequence instructions referring an array of memory...

14:07:31 jurov: which it the core of the problem

14:07:49 mircea_popescu: adlai not coincidental either.

14:07:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pronz!

14:08:19 mircea_popescu: there's no understanding involved in mashing the bits together. i also teach cooking by example only.

14:08:45 mircea_popescu: jurov 7 bits should be enough for everyone!

14:09:17 asciilifeform: i think he was speaking of the 7 levels of stack thing

14:09:21 jurov: yes.

14:09:39 asciilifeform: i've seen it trotted out as an argument that it is impossible to program in common lisp

14:09:43 jurov: and mnemonics is all about replacing the stuff eith rememberable *visual* interpretation

14:09:49 asciilifeform: because one encounters sometimes more than 7 levels of nesting

14:09:58 asciilifeform: which was a mega-l0l

14:11:20 jurov: i'm trying to get at that... you have to convert text into some internal representation in order to store more thasn 7 items

14:11:40 adlai: 7 is some average (mode?) though, rather than a neurological law.

14:11:42 jurov: so why it not possivble to feed these more directly to the brain?

14:11:53 asciilifeform: it is.

14:12:36 asciilifeform: i promised yesterday to say why i quit the ibm green phosphour terminal; this was why

14:12:37 mircea_popescu: jurov you know this is nonsense. i store thousands of items.

14:13:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: likely thinking of a different 'store'

14:13:05 jurov: but not as text!

14:13:15 jurov: i have seen you to mangle several names for example

14:13:24 asciilifeform: the original '7' thing was re: short-term memory and juggling arbitrary symbols as strings

14:13:26 adlai: http://www.gwern.net/DNB%20FAQ

14:13:34 mircea_popescu: jurov nothing is error free, not even non-ecc memory.

14:13:46 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, my articles are generally preformed and i just tyoe them out.

14:13:56 adlai: like wagner

14:14:23 mircea_popescu: most of the "mind science" is pure gunk, ftr.

14:14:41 mircea_popescu: and it doesn't start with pharma, freud was closer to a fraud than anything. and all the way back.

14:14:57 jurov: ^ yes, that i meant by "feeble attempts" to present nontext information

14:15:12 asciilifeform: 'What?s the real difference between having a type signature in your short-term memory or prominently displayed in your second monitor? What?s the real difference between writing a comment in your mind or touch-typing it as fast as you create it? Just some speed. Just some time. And the more visible that type signature is, the faster you can type out that comment, the larger your ?memory? gets. And the larger your memor

14:15:12 asciilifeform: y is, the more intelligent/productive you can be.'

14:15:31 asciilifeform: ^ will sign under every word of that

14:16:33 mircea_popescu: minus the last sentence.

14:16:43 mircea_popescu: if memory made intelligence, computers'd be pretty smart.

14:16:46 asciilifeform: it's only true in the opposite

14:16:56 asciilifeform: artificially clamping your memory -> stupider

14:17:01 asciilifeform: like strapping weights to a runner

14:17:28 mircea_popescu: maybe.

14:17:30 asciilifeform: removing bricks from on top another brick, will not make the latter a faster runner...

14:17:38 mircea_popescu: hahaha

14:17:44 mircea_popescu: ok that's maybe your best analogy to date.

14:18:02 jurov: the human memory is content addressable. computers are very poor at that

14:20:14 asciilifeform: jurov: a von neumann limitation.

14:20:41 asciilifeform: jurov: think about how you can't 'ask' every machine word in your ram simultaneously whether it 'equals such-and-such'

14:20:49 asciilifeform: have to go through all $maxint of it and ask, ask, ask...

14:20:53 asciilifeform: because idiocy

14:21:06 asciilifeform: there is no physical/electrical reason why it can't worh the other way

14:21:08 nubbins`: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cia-hacked-iphone-ipad-mac-security-snowden-documents-reveal-extent-privacy-invasion-1491258

14:21:09 assbot: CIA hacked iPhone, iPad and Mac security – Snowden documents reveal extent of privacy invasion ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQZNZN )

14:21:11 asciilifeform: !s TWINKLE

14:21:12 assbot: 11 results for 'TWINKLE' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=TWINKLE

14:21:21 jurov: yes, that. but it is fully parallel comparison really doable on 2D silicon?

14:21:24 nubbins`: "As well as targeting the iPhone and iPad directly, the CIA also claims to have developed a poisoned version of Xcode, the software development tool used by app developers to create the apps sold through Apple's hugely successful App Store. It is unclear how the CIA managed to get developers to use the poisoned version of Xcode, but it would have allowed the CIA install backdoors into any apps created using their version."

14:21:28 nubbins`: dat toolchain o.O

14:21:42 asciilifeform: compiler-infection is as old as time.

14:24:26 adlai: !s trusting trust

14:24:27 assbot: 13 results for 'trusting trust' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trusting+trust

14:25:52 asciilifeform: https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2015/03/10/strawhorse-attacking-macos-ios-software-development-kit << at least they cite thompson.

14:25:53 assbot: Strawhorse: Attacking the MacOS and iOS Software Development Kit - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1KR1kis )

14:27:46 adlai: antecedent failure... for a moment, parsed that as [firstlook] cite thompson... but i guess they're just journalists

14:33:08 asciilifeform: lol re: usg spending $maxint to extract apple symmetric key from cpu

14:33:14 adlai: here's something that doesn't translate well to text: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/C-element-from-NANDs.svg

14:33:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KR3lva )

14:33:17 asciilifeform: where are the moles?

14:33:53 asciilifeform: adlai: a good chunk of the total world of engineering fits in this category

14:34:14 asciilifeform: know the saying 'picture is worth 1000 words' ? it isn't a joke

14:34:25 asciilifeform: and 1000 is, often, optimistic

14:34:39 adlai: eh, you can describe this picture in less than 1000

14:34:43 mircea_popescu: the only reason that picture is even meaningful to you is because you long ago digested its text

14:34:55 adlai: on the contrary

14:34:55 mircea_popescu: so now it's symbolized and you look at it and you figure hey, it's so much better than text

14:35:06 adlai: the only text which i needed was the filename

14:35:08 mircea_popescu: not unlike ruby programmer imagining "o wow, so much better than asm".

14:35:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the reasons whereby ruby sucks have nothing to do with the representation

14:36:08 *: adlai would've had to use trial-and-error to figure out which gate was represented, if the filename hadn't specified it

14:36:09 mircea_popescu: otherwise, it translates to text quite perfectly well, and plainly : "if and only if". but this is familiar to people trained in humanities more than in cs i guess.

14:36:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the c-gate !?!

14:36:40 asciilifeform: nope.

14:36:56 *: asciilifeform suggests actually understanding what adlai linked to

14:37:00 *: mircea_popescu looks at gate again

14:37:20 asciilifeform: i regard c-gate as among the greatest inventions in 20th c. electronics

14:37:31 asciilifeform: (even though it is used virtually nowhere...)

14:37:38 *: adlai is trying to actually understand what loper-os links to...

14:37:45 mircea_popescu: "if not both"

14:37:54 asciilifeform: it lets you have asynchronous circuits without metastability problems

14:38:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the function of the 'extra' gates does not become clear unless you understand why extant cpus (which do not use muller's c-gate) need 'clocks' at all

14:38:47 asciilifeform: they have to wait for inputs to 'settle'

14:39:46 asciilifeform: because an ordinary logic gate can enter a 'metastable' wedge-state if it is given a 'pathological' input transition (i.e. you try to use the output before the inputs are stable)

14:40:12 *: mircea_popescu has been spending some time looking at this circuitry, understands why it backfeeds now.

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14:40:34 mircea_popescu: i'll note you'd have had a much more reliable response had you described rather than shown :)!!!

14:40:54 mircea_popescu: seeing how i'm not an electrical engineer, i'm prone to misinterpret. the boon of ignorance.

14:41:14 asciilifeform: but if didn't show, only explained why, the thing would have to be re-invented to be built

14:41:26 asciilifeform: not necessarily impossible - but who's to say when.

14:41:27 mircea_popescu: not our concern, now is it.

14:41:45 asciilifeform: my concern because life is short and i want to compute with c-gates.

14:42:01 mircea_popescu: and this is why i became a theoretical physicist

14:42:03 mircea_popescu: albeit briefly.

14:42:22 asciilifeform: wanted to see something physzed ?

14:42:43 mircea_popescu: no, simply did not give a shit.

14:42:53 mircea_popescu: but anyway, this IS a pretty beautiful thing huh ?

14:43:00 asciilifeform: sure is

14:43:03 asciilifeform: !s c-gate

14:43:04 assbot: 5 results for 'c-gate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=c-gate

14:43:04 mircea_popescu: it actually can't ever be metastable can it.

14:43:12 asciilifeform: ^ iirc we did it a bit

14:43:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure if this is rigorously proven, but approximately yes

14:44:12 asciilifeform: but at any rate they do not end up wedged in practice (folks with $maxint have built otherwise conventional cpu without clock using c-gate, they don't wedge)

14:44:20 asciilifeform: exhibits other interesting properties.

14:44:25 asciilifeform: you cool it down, it speeds up

14:44:31 mircea_popescu: it would

14:44:33 asciilifeform: (no clock, so only propagation delays matter)

14:44:39 mircea_popescu: right

14:45:09 asciilifeform: but i seem to be the only one who (publicly) realized that it is the very thing for building dataflow comp.

14:45:17 asciilifeform: and was in fact the missing ingredient

14:45:27 mircea_popescu: i wonder if there;s a limit of how many you can plop together before you end up in some novel hell

14:45:49 asciilifeform: if never metastable, then no

14:45:59 asciilifeform: unless novel hell is of some higher-level mathematical variety

14:46:04 asciilifeform: rather than physical effect of individual gate

14:46:13 mircea_popescu: right.

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14:47:17 asciilifeform: but one can put together a few mil. of these, without any apparent daemonic possession of the machine, is what we experimentally have so far.

14:47:25 asciilifeform: somebody even sells a clockless 'arm'.

14:47:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7682 @ 0.0003474 = 2.6687 BTC [+]

14:47:40 asciilifeform: (that, afaik, is the limit of what anyone with actual funding has dared)

14:48:10 asciilifeform: !s achronix

14:48:11 assbot: 0 results for 'achronix' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=achronix

14:48:41 asciilifeform: or hmm, maybe that wasn't it

14:49:52 asciilifeform: !up stoya

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14:59:37 asciilifeform: http://www.railslove.com/stories/my-way-into-clojure-building-a-card-game-with-om-part-1#Other_Misgivings << mega-l0l (from server logs)

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15:00:17 asciilifeform: '...we should start with cleaner hardware, then write a cleaner replacement for the JVM (same cross-platform capabilities!?, same performance optimisations!?), as well as all its libraries... we'd be busy at least for another decade and required backing from several large companies.'

15:00:51 *: asciilifeform wrote a flame many years ago and the 'butthurt' over it never seems to abate

15:01:17 asciilifeform: and there's something palpably poisonous about that page

15:01:56 asciilifeform: not sure what the word for it is

15:25:01 asciilifeform: incidentally, my explanation at 14:39:46 is a bit broken but i'll leave it as exercise for the reader.

16:10:08 PeterL: asciilifeform:but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang. << When writing such an integral, I use words in my head as I put down the symbols (eg. integral from 0 to 2pi integral from 0 to 1 integral from 4r^2 to 4 of xdxrdrd(theta) )

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16:22:51 jurov: http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer?ModPagespeed=noscript asciilifeform, good addition to cardano, i guess :D

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16:24:10 jurov: "windows detected? zap it"

16:31:13 PeterL: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/plumgeek/ringo-the-palm-size-robot-with-real-personality?ref=video this looks fun

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16:53:38 mats: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/us/secede-republic-claims-texas-never-joined-us.html

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17:13:08 jurov: ;;ticker

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17:57:17 BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve

17:57:45 *: thestringpuller is excited for baseball season. Anyone else?

17:58:00 HeySteve: hey. anyone gone through this yet? https://medium.com/@chrispacia/subspace-73059a1cff71

17:58:01 assbot: Subspace — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1KS1qXa )

17:58:12 HeySteve: not sure how it improves over bitmessage

17:58:40 *: adlai hasn't, beyond knowing that they claim to not require everybody to store everything (which bitmessage requires)

18:00:46 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:01:05 thestringpuller: ascii_field is with us live from the streets

18:01:19 ascii_field: 'subspace' >> 'Unfortunately, downloading all messages scales very poorly. In Subspace, we use a filtering technique that allows us to mix our messages with a user-defined subset of the total message space, reducing your bandwidth consumption while preserving your privacy.' >> shitgnomism

18:01:36 adlai: the catcher in the _field

18:01:50 ascii_field: 'let's do this thing except we'll do it without actually doing it because actually doing it is omghardm4thish4rd and weloveruby'

18:02:03 *: ascii_field throws up a little just writing this

18:03:04 ascii_field: in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time!

18:03:09 ascii_field: literally. there is exactly one jack

18:03:34 thestringpuller: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/gavin-andresen-optimistic-about-scaling-bitcoin/30652 << Gavin is throwin out dates for axe and sword time

18:03:56 thestringpuller: ascii_field and danielpbarron: generals of the pogo army

18:05:16 kakobrekla: i heard the 100 dorra device you plug into it can indeed charge at same time as you use usb or whatever it is

18:05:42 thestringpuller: "I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the next major release, which wi

18:08:18 ascii_field: the turdmeisters replacing the genuine blockchain download process with an 'equivalent' one that 'omg111itfinallyscales!!11' - was inevitable

18:08:54 ascii_field: this is their most beloved gambit

18:09:30 ascii_field: take something that works but doesn't 'democratize' enough, or can be spun as such, and replace it with sham 'equivalent'

18:09:41 kakobrekla: re adapter, but i havent really bothered reading http://www.cnet.com/products/apple-usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter/

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18:13:45 ascii_field: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/multiple-teams-creating-bitcoin-based-prediction-markets/30429 << notice what site is missing from this article

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18:14:10 ascii_field: obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916

18:14:10 assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.

18:15:01 adlai: thestringpuller: you're missing the best part of the talk: "A tenth of a Bitcoin for anyone who takes the livestream and puts a pope hat on me during the stream. That would be awesome." http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/mit-bitcoin-expo-2015/keynote-gavin-andresen/

18:15:02 assbot: keynote-gavin-andresen ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdIMPc )

18:16:24 kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment.

18:16:53 ascii_field: bitbet

18:17:51 ascii_field: not that it 'needs' to be in there

18:17:56 ascii_field: down in the sewer

18:18:08 kakobrekla: bb css is not up to par.

18:19:16 kakobrekla: i always sucked at that.

18:19:54 ascii_field: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/us/secede-republic-claims-texas-never-joined-us.html << idiots who still imagine that a legalistic pill against usg exists. as described in mircea_popescu's 'sovereign citizens' article.

18:19:57 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1wpUaeG )

18:20:20 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-stash-baffles-dutch-police/

18:21:12 adlai: "fight fire with fire" breaks down when The Law is above itself

18:21:33 ascii_field: 'rule of law' is fundamentally a scam

18:21:34 ascii_field: always was.

18:21:50 ascii_field: obligatory classic: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm

18:21:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AdJUCp )

18:22:46 ascii_field: the only thing statal (vs tribal) law ever was, is a '3 ring binder' affair to simplify peasant-herding

18:23:44 ascii_field: so you (crown) don't have to personally sit and review every idiot land dispute, stray ox, etc

18:23:52 ascii_field: but can delegate

18:24:41 ascii_field: but the (very modern!) notion that the state would or could tie its own hands - lunacy.

18:25:46 ascii_field: !s rule of law

18:25:47 assbot: 31 results for 'rule of law' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rule+of+law

18:31:13 jurov: "since french revolution" is "very modern" ?

18:33:14 jurov: and some such idea can be discerned in Roman Republic, too

18:38:58 PeterL: ascii_field: there is something to be said for making it hard to change laws, if changing the law is too easy then nobody will be able to keep track of it

18:43:29 kakobrekla: do you keep track of it now?

18:43:52 PeterL: big changes get put in the news, usually

18:44:29 kakobrekla: so thats a no

18:44:49 PeterL: right, I am not saying the current system is good

18:45:17 kakobrekla: so if its not good why want to change it slowly

18:46:27 PeterL: well, once you get a good system, then make it change slowly

18:47:09 kakobrekla: ok grandpa.

18:47:36 PeterL: bleh, maybe I just have no idea what I am talking about

19:04:28 BingoBoingo: http://cl.jroo.me/z3/I/a/d/e/a.baa-Love-between-dog-and-tiger.jpg

19:04:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GCazAe )

19:15:53 thestringpuller: ;;later tell danielpbarron re: hosting images, direct that inuiry to BingoBoingo

19:15:54 gribble: The operation succeeded.

19:16:36 ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time! << they want you to buy a thing to make more holes

19:18:26 ben_vulpes: still

19:18:28 ben_vulpes: hyuuuuu

19:45:42 cazalla: kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment. <<< might be the funniest thing i've read for a while

20:19:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00030968 = 4.7381 BTC [-] {3}

20:24:53 BingoBoingo: !up excelor

20:30:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11688 @ 0.00030762 = 3.5955 BTC [-]

20:50:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.0003006 = 9.2284 BTC [-] {2}

21:04:58 cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/alleged-usms-auction-winner-leaves-eldritch-message/

21:04:59 assbot: Alleged USMS Auction Winner Leaves Eldritch Message | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHfdsW )

21:05:04 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/alleged-usms-auction-winner-leaves-eldritch-message/

21:05:12 cazalla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu lucy, u got some 'splain' to do!

21:05:12 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:07:30 cazalla: how interesting is that eh

21:11:09 thestringpuller: LOL

21:11:27 thestringpuller: a mircea_popescu appears

21:12:00 mircea_popescu: aha ?

21:12:04 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

21:12:05 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.75, Best ask: 295.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 295.04, 24 hour volume: 67374.24839178, 24 hour low: 287.91, 24 hour high: 303.96, 24 hour vwap: None

21:12:14 mircea_popescu: wtf is this no vwap srsly.

21:12:36 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

21:12:43 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 291.98, vol: 13364.07282246 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 289.92, vol: 14891.63951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 294.99, vol: 67374.24839178 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 293.5286, vol: 199564.72520000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 295.0, vol: 28.37516667 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 293.6175, vol: 257.91908055 | Volume-weighted last average: 293.610134295

21:12:46 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1950 / 295

21:12:46 gribble: 6.61016949153

21:14:35 mircea_popescu: davout http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-112937 btw.

21:14:36 assbot: The conference, third edition pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHiI2F )

21:14:47 mircea_popescu: and check this shit out : http://fraudsters.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932

21:14:48 assbot: Various kinds of stickiness pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FHiMPR )

21:14:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00030333 = 5.0049 BTC [+]

21:14:54 mircea_popescu: (real dooglus btw)

21:14:56 mircea_popescu: !up dooglus

21:15:14 thestringpuller: ah so mr. davout is going to conference

21:17:42 mircea_popescu: $conference

21:17:53 thestringpuller: that bot is down

21:17:55 mircea_popescu: btw - only a few days left, hurry up in case the btc collapses.

21:18:02 ben_vulpes: bit rottttt

21:19:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:!up stoya <omfg no fucking wai.

21:19:42 mircea_popescu: stoya was here ?!

21:25:40 davout: mircea_popescu: ty for the quote

21:25:51 davout: however, it has more than 8 decimal places

21:26:00 thestringpuller: :D

21:26:13 davout: and if we're doing signatures it's probably the payment address that needs to be signed along with the amount

21:29:09 mircea_popescu: davout it's a running joke with jurov and others that watch the mpex statements :)

21:29:45 mircea_popescu: davout notrly, because i may have to verify people later, in person, whereas you won't have to verify payments later in a different venue.

21:29:56 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's not funny. this is srs bsns.

21:30:09 mircea_popescu: that's what makes it funny.

21:30:39 thestringpuller: like nubbins` joking about dufflebag of cocaine in trunk while we cross canadian border

21:30:44 thestringpuller: sure we end up in jail, but it was funny!

21:33:49 BingoBoingo: !up _FeltPen

21:33:55 thestringpuller: i like how plane ticket is more expensive than VIP ticket

21:33:59 thestringpuller: like wtf airlines

21:34:18 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: how much was it from up there in the mountains?

21:36:34 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

21:38:31 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: who knows which stoya

21:38:34 ascii_field: it didn't talk..

21:38:52 ascii_field: i like how plane ticket is more expensive than VIP ticket << where'ya flying from

21:39:00 ascii_field: greenland ?

21:39:27 *: mircea_popescu would rather see stoya here than paul graham.

21:39:50 ascii_field: only if actual stoya

21:40:19 mircea_popescu: same for pg :)

21:42:30 davout: mircea_popescu: i noticed the decimals thing on mike_c's quote as well :)

21:42:54 davout: as for the signature, how do i verify your wordpress wasn't haxxored?

21:43:25 ascii_field: possibly we do a 'key party' this time ?

21:43:33 davout: ascii_field: totally

21:43:59 davout: with mandatory s.nsa collider std check

21:44:42 ascii_field: incidentally, if someone wants to generate a fatter key, now would probably be a good time

21:44:50 mircea_popescu: ascii_field yep, we are.

21:44:57 mircea_popescu: davout for one, it's the sameaddress everyone else paid to

21:45:02 mircea_popescu: the beauty of reusing addresses.

21:45:56 mircea_popescu: ascii_field has an excellent point : this is a fine time to make new keys / reorganize the keyplan, make a master key which then signs other keys as you need etc.

21:46:30 davout: mebbe the haxxorer also changed other addresses on the same page, signing can't really hurt can it

21:46:34 mircea_popescu: also i'm very well connected into the old style strong set, so there is that.

21:46:53 mircea_popescu: davout it can't hurt but i'm about to hop in a car. will make a deed when im back later

21:47:04 mircea_popescu: speaking of which yo trinque ! old deeds ? new display style ?

21:47:27 davout: mircea_popescu: no worries, just poking at you

21:47:35 mircea_popescu: (also what i meant was, you can check thje address see payments received)

21:48:26 davout: which dates and amounts i crosscheck against... teh webpage :p

21:48:50 thestringpuller: davout: how do I get a French passport?

21:49:02 ascii_field: lol 'meee tooo'

21:49:09 davout: thestringpuller: marry a french chick i guess

21:49:16 ascii_field: want cheaper!

21:49:16 thestringpuller: wait that works?

21:49:49 davout: thestringpuller: why do you want a communist nation's passport anyway?

21:49:49 trinque: mircea_popescu: yeh, in sqlite it's all still broken into parts; I might be able to hax that tonight

21:50:09 ascii_field: davout: because anything other than usa

21:50:15 ascii_field: even nork

21:50:44 thestringpuller: davout: although France is communist, they got style

21:50:51 thestringpuller: haven't you heard Niggas In Paris?!?

21:52:04 davout: haha what about them?

21:52:16 davout: (and technically you could also marry a french dude!)

21:52:34 thestringpuller: LOL

21:52:44 mircea_popescu: what french dude'd have him ?

21:53:05 mircea_popescu: anyway, im off! tell all the stoyas.

21:54:01 davout: i presume anchor kids could also work

21:54:46 davout: or just come, hang around naked on a beach, pretend you're amnesiac

21:54:48 ascii_field: davout: whatcha gonna suggest next, the 'foreign legion', lol

21:55:19 davout: ascii_field: hah! that too

21:55:30 thestringpuller: ahaha

21:55:47 davout: go marry a french legionnaire

21:57:36 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/windows-stuxnet-patch-left-vulnerability-open/

21:59:13 _FeltPen: excellent. qntra does good work, that site is how I discovered this channel. fwiw.

21:59:22 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: mega-lol!

21:59:39 ascii_field: but did you really expect microshit to patch without opening a new orifice? because that'd be a first.

22:00:08 ascii_field: in fact (not big secret!) professional 0day-diggers regard microshit's patches as a golden source of goodies

22:00:17 ascii_field: and occupy much of their time reversing them

22:00:51 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Not at all, but it is interesting how the ghost of HP is trying to do anything it can to say "Butt weur gud guiz, buy from us"

22:01:04 BingoBoingo: _FeltPen: cool

22:01:40 thestringpuller: Ballmer was the Nero of MicroPoo

22:06:22 danielpbarron: i had to literally de-"bug" .. :/

22:06:54 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

22:12:14 danielpbarron: !up airgapped

22:39:18 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

22:53:45 danielpbarron: height=268264 vs height=204752

22:58:04 BingoBoingo: lol, looks like in the case of bullets vs. ATF bullets have recieved a reprieve http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2015-03-021015-advisory-notice-those-commenting-armor-piercing-ammunition-exemption-framework.html

22:58:05 assbot: Notice to those Commenting on the Armor Piercing Ammunition Exemption Framework | ATF ... ( http://bit.ly/18yUUmp )

23:11:07 BingoBoingo: !up stunna

23:27:24 kakobrekla: perspective matters; http://shrani.si/f/3j/PS/2nc2wx0t/outputqwydkc.gif

23:27:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5bx71 )

23:28:41 BingoBoingo: That's a good one

23:36:25 adlai: not his fault, he got framed