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Transcript for 10-04-2014, 2054 lines:

00:00:12 dignork: wrong window :)

00:01:58 mod6: one thing that i seem to remember that I didn't like (many many moons ago) about xchat is that if you derp-paste a bunch of stuff into the wrong window, it doens't ask you if you're sure you'd like to do spammy paste.

00:02:19 mod6: irssi does ask, on the other hand.

00:02:29 mod6: CTRL+K to paste spam

00:03:05 dignork: mod6, weechat blocks it too

00:03:13 mod6: ahh coo

00:03:50 thestringpuller: oh look who finally decides to show up

00:03:55 *: thestringpuller looks at mod6

00:03:58 thestringpuller: lol

00:04:05 mod6: ahh looks reasonable, dignork

00:04:12 mod6: lol thestringpuller

00:04:19 mod6: got my teef drilled. ugh.

00:04:31 mod6: my entire face is numb.

00:04:38 mod6: they loaded me up.

00:05:42 *: mod6 drools

00:07:30 *: jurov uses Konversation. tried irssi but it was a pain

00:07:59 mod6: couldn't get it configured?

00:08:09 mod6: (the way you wanted it)

00:10:12 jurov: not sure if the window management can be configured to get at least halfway to my mental model

00:10:32 mod6: ah

00:10:34 jurov: and i was also "lucky" to run into 6yr old bugs with otr

00:11:23 dignork: jurov, try weechat, no stick/unstick madness, and otr works too

00:11:31 pankkake: irssi otr known to be buggy

00:11:43 dignork: done shilling for today

00:11:51 jurov: i just funded development of spiffy znc-otr plugin

00:11:53 Duffer1: stick/unstick?

00:12:09 jurov: https://github.com/mmilata/znc-otr

00:12:20 dignork: Duffer1, irssi has a weird idea about split-window functionality

00:12:22 jurov: so i don't have to stick to one client

00:12:38 Duffer1: isee

00:12:47 *: mod6 has never used split

00:13:14 *: dignork has a hude monitor, one window is too depressing

00:13:19 dignork: *huge

00:13:48 mod6: ah.

00:16:20 jurov: oh and original znc-otr succeeded to crash weechat's otr

00:16:38 jurov: so i'm not going to trust that one, too :)

00:19:49 dignork: jurov, i have otr in weechat, want to try crushing it? just curious.

00:29:39 dignork: Sammey, printf("We're all going to die\n");

00:30:00 dignork: dammit, multi-window has it problems

00:30:15 thestringpuller: lol otr

00:30:51 dignork: thestringpuller, but why?

00:31:44 thestringpuller: no i was saying it's good stuff

00:32:11 thestringpuller: i was just lol'ing cause i've talked about otr unrelated to this channel today; so lol'ing at the coincidence

00:49:58 decimation: mircea_popescu: "kalophilos, exists as such in german" << I see what you did there

01:01:19 SatoshiJack: ;;ident

01:09:28 TestingUnoDosTre: .d

01:09:28 ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1327 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.8349% in 8d 20h 31m 57s

01:11:40 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ticker

01:15:56 benkay: thestringpuller: ping

01:18:30 mod6: whats up benkay, thestringpuller is in transit or something

01:18:42 benkay: cool

01:18:54 mod6: so he pushed us back a bit, which works fine for me.

01:19:12 benkay: ah neat

01:26:23 nubbins`: https://medium.com/matter/22979c8ec9d6

01:32:03 Mats_cd03: ;;commands

01:32:10 Mats_cd03: ;;seen cads

01:32:29 Mats_cd03: hes dead

01:37:05 mikaeldice: ;;aol

01:37:50 nubbins`: ;;aol i wonder what this will do to my text

01:37:57 mikaeldice: ;;aol I want to invest in bitcoin securities

01:38:05 nubbins`: ;;aol heh

01:38:17 mikaeldice: It's just like bitcointalk

01:41:17 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;halfreward

01:41:43 TestingUnoDosTre: Y3K

01:42:53 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;nethash

01:44:46 mike_c: i butthurt gribble. <gribble> You've given me 12 commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 5 minutes.

01:47:19 TestingUnoDosTre: what are your thoughts on the price spike of btc so close to the block reward halving?

01:49:07 Mats_cd03: good news

01:49:46 TestingUnoDosTre: but were they entirely related?

01:50:05 benkay: when was the last halvening?

01:50:10 TestingUnoDosTre: November 28, 2013

01:50:40 TestingUnoDosTre: bitstamp high happened November 30, 2013

01:52:12 TestingUnoDosTre: Bueller?

01:54:27 mike_c: unrelated. plus, who cares. next one isn't for 2 years.

01:54:45 benkay: supply and demand curves always hold, mike_c

01:55:18 mike_c: yes.. but supply != block reward

01:55:23 TestingUnoDosTre: I cares

01:55:39 benkay: you're entirely wrong.

01:56:01 mike_c: oh yeah? well, YOU'RE entirely wrong.

01:56:10 benkay: supply is that which is constant!

01:56:32 TestingUnoDosTre: if you're talking about mined BTC, that supply definitely dropped

01:56:44 TestingUnoDosTre: say like, 50 percent

01:56:50 benkay: the only constant input in the system is the mining reward

01:56:54 benkay: sorry that was rude of me, mike_c

01:57:40 mike_c: (not butthurt). but the system being discussed is supply on the exchanges. which is not equal to freshly mined coins. many other factors.

01:58:21 benkay: input into system

01:58:50 TestingUnoDosTre: ooo I like that... like a thermodynamics equation

02:02:17 benkay: only valid frame of reference, TestingUnoDosTre

02:02:26 jborkl: Benkay is right supply is static, it is demand we don't know about

02:02:43 TestingUnoDosTre: how is supply static?

02:02:48 TestingUnoDosTre: *during a diff change

02:02:48 jborkl: We know how many btc there will be next year

02:02:54 TestingUnoDosTre: approximately

02:02:58 benkay: we know how many btc there will be per block

02:03:03 mike_c: it's not static. supply is not how many btc there are, it's how many are for sale.

02:03:20 jborkl: That is demand

02:03:28 mike_c: no, buyers are demand. sellers are supply

02:03:38 benkay: supply is input into the system

02:03:48 jborkl: ^

02:03:51 benkay: its the only way you can make the thing conserve

02:03:56 benkay: which is the whole damn point

02:03:57 mike_c: for instance, mp has a bunch of coins. they are not supply because they are not for sale.

02:04:10 jborkl: That is not more coons

02:04:13 jborkl: Coins

02:04:14 benkay: yeah

02:04:18 benkay: heh

02:04:27 jborkl: Heh badbtypo

02:04:31 benkay: a hoard is in no sense supply

02:04:38 TestingUnoDosTre: they will be if Bitcoin does worse than BRK-A this year

02:04:45 mike_c: right. and if miners are hoarding coins, block reward is not supply

02:05:37 benkay: mike_c: have you ever done the physics thing where you draw a circle around a system and label ins and outs?

02:06:01 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;google physics mass balance

02:07:05 mike_c: http://fraudsters.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/

02:07:06 ozbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:09:18 mike_c: benkay: it is fine to say it is an input. but i am saying it is a miniscule part of the equation.

02:09:20 TestingUnoDosTre: His example is slightly hogwash, as mtcox falsely increased the supply of bitcoins, and the price still increased.

02:10:37 jborkl: Bugpowder was a excellent trader

02:10:49 jborkl: That is to what he is referring

02:11:00 jborkl: Short term sentiment

02:11:57 thestringpuller: Bugpowder was a compulsive gambler too.

02:12:14 jborkl: And if mtgox inflated the supply of coins so the price should have been depressed

02:12:33 jborkl: I did not say he was a good gambler

02:12:41 jborkl: He was not good at that

02:22:30 TestingUnoDosTre: jborkl, what was your point. I didn't understand - what was bugpowder talking about?

02:29:52 Mats_cd03: http://hantim.ru/jobs/30698-revers-inzhener ministry of defense looking for a reverse engineer lol

02:30:35 Mats_cd03: i wonder what the benefits are like

02:31:18 Shakespeare: "This episode of CSI is so (adjective I forgot), the only way to experience it is to watch!"

02:31:21 Shakespeare: sigh...

02:33:14 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;nextretarget

02:34:30 TestingUnoDosTre: wait a tick. The last block reward halving was November 28, 2012. DOH

02:37:47 mike_c: see, i told you it wasn't an input ;)

02:38:17 benkay: there were serious distortions in the market over the past year

02:39:27 TestingUnoDosTre: no disagreement there

02:44:27 Shakespeare: facebook lols: I made a post briefing normals on heartbleed and the general concept that internet privacy doesnt really exist. Here's the best response so far: "Is Lifelock an answer?"

02:45:31 TestingUnoDosTre: if you want to get Lifefucked

02:47:13 artifexd: .bait

02:47:14 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8dz6yTWVs1rciywmo1_500.jpg

02:50:29 Shakespeare: missing snorkels!

03:14:05 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ticker

03:23:38 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ticker

03:27:17 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ticker

03:36:32 benkay: 450 -> 425

03:36:36 benkay: tell me that ain't a slide

03:36:48 *: nubbins` raises hands, shouts with glee

03:39:13 benkay: ;;later tell mike_c sometimes i think supply is constrained on the fiat -> btc pipe. if cash and reputation and connections are all you have, that's not a terribly wide pipe. perhaps there was something to gox' occasional ability to turn fiat wires into btc

03:39:40 nubbins`: sometimes you think? :D

03:40:03 TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ticker

03:40:12 benkay: ;;later tell mike_c i guess the appropriate local metaphor would be "for those who prayed, dove through, and magically weren't sliced to bits by the chumpatron"

03:40:19 nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: do you need to do that so often? :(

03:40:20 TestingUnoDosTre: spread is opening

03:40:26 TestingUnoDosTre: sorry

03:40:39 TestingUnoDosTre: no one was chatting before, thought I had the room to myself :D

03:40:42 nubbins`: protip: /msg gribble ticker :)

03:41:06 nubbins`: OT: we finally got ourselves an American Apparel wholesale account

03:41:40 nubbins`: turns out having a factory in downtown los angeles makes for expensive bulk tees

03:44:18 TestingUnoDosTre: t-shirts are expensive?

03:46:12 Mats_cd03: colin firth on daily show tonight

03:46:14 Mats_cd03: not bad

03:46:15 nubbins`: it's a relative measure

03:47:45 Mats_cd03: how hard was it to get the account

03:48:07 MisterE:

03:48:09 MisterE:

03:48:11 MisterE:

03:48:13 MisterE:

03:48:15 MisterE: http://www.coindesk.com/national-australia-bank-turns-back-bitcoin-closes-accounts/

03:48:17 MisterE: oops :/

03:48:20 nubbins`: way to paste

03:48:22 nubbins`: ;(

03:48:28 MisterE: sorry didnt know that was in the buffer, guess I pased out last night :/

03:48:34 *: Mats_cd03 slaps MisterE

03:48:49 joecool: whole lotta nothin there

03:49:06 MisterE: I'm surprised I didnt get flood kicked

03:49:06 nubbins`: Mats_cd03: three-page application form. we didn't have to fill out the whole thing because we pay up-front with credit cards, but if you want to do net 30 etc, you have to provide business references and a ton of extra info

03:49:31 nubbins`: also had to sign a contract stating that we won't, among other things, reveal prices nor will we resell undecorated garments

03:49:57 MisterE: bit of a selloff on the BOA news

03:49:57 Mats_cd03: i see

03:50:05 nubbins`: that said, same-day turnaround once we submitted the application

03:51:38 nubbins`: for reference, a plain AA unisex tee is about 40% more expensive than our go-to shirt (organic cotton) and 150% more expensive than our "discount quality" shirt

03:51:49 MisterE: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ny8h/agricultural_bank_of_china_freezes_bitcoin/

03:51:50 ozbot: Agricultural Bank of China FREEZES BITCOIN accounts on 4/15 : Bitcoin

03:52:18 Mats_cd03: lol

03:52:50 nubbins`: good bulk discounts, but they only kick in when you buy a dozen of the same style, color, and size

03:53:10 nubbins`: mot much use for a company that doesn't stock blanks :D

03:53:35 benkay: there's a certain symmetry to this one: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ny8h/agricultural_bank_of_china_freezes_bitcoin/cgoohv9

03:53:59 MisterE: heh

03:59:23 TestingUnoDosTre: bid depth on bistamp: 405 - 4000 , 400 - 10000

03:59:27 TestingUnoDosTre: what is that

04:01:12 TestingUnoDosTre: and by "What" I mean, Why are there more bids between 405 to 400 than there are compared with 400 to 395

04:02:29 Duffer1: i think chatzilla knows it's about to be replaced

04:02:33 Duffer1: it's stopped wrapping text >.<

04:04:13 cazalla: MisterE: you know who runs CoinJar right?

04:04:49 cazalla: MisterE: https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/04/10/nab-bitcoin-and-you/

04:05:25 cazalla: We have 4 major banks in Australia, CJ has been kicked from 2 now, other being CommBank

04:06:19 nubbins`: i gotta say, i liked australia a lot more as a kid

04:06:50 MisterE: I gotta agree with that sentiment

04:11:43 cazalla: yeah, seems there is a disproportionate amount of bitcoin scammers from here

04:13:51 cazalla: one of the latest being some real estate hustler who was in the papers saying he was bringing 100 robocoins to australia

04:14:31 cazalla: he also ran a conference where last year he said the winklevoss twins were book, months pass and it was the winklevoss twins are a maybe, then it's deleted from the website and the headliner was jeffrey tucker instead lol

04:14:47 cazalla: were booked*

04:15:28 MisterE: at least you don't have her: http://gawker.com/this-is-the-florida-woman-behind-the-topless-mcdonalds-1561300866

04:16:15 nubbins`: crazy/10 would not do business with

04:17:55 artifexd: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=456_1396780871 <- Uncensored video of it happening

04:17:55 ozbot: LiveLeak.com - Topless chick goes crazy in Mcdonalds

04:21:12 nubbins`: leel

04:21:23 nubbins`: actually crazy/10 would do business with

04:30:40 nubbins`: ;;later tell mike_c lel, eulorum.org is overrun with bot spam ;(

04:30:49 Duffer1: blah is there no weechat for windows?

04:33:10 Duffer1: nm cygwin brb buying linux laptop >.<

04:33:37 nubbins`: you can buy linux laptops? ;D

04:34:08 Duffer1: i can buy a laptop and install linux over whatever it comes with

04:34:28 TestingUnoDosTre: chrometop?

04:34:41 nubbins`: that's not the same as buying a linux laptop

04:34:43 Duffer1: i looked at those but they max at 16gb

04:34:52 nubbins`: mostly because you're paying microsoft $25

04:35:35 Duffer1: if i bought it new sure, but i'm looking at used, something i5 i can throw an ssd in

04:36:04 nubbins`: ah, then you get a pass

04:36:06 nubbins`: :D

04:36:16 Duffer1: :)

04:36:38 Duffer1: so my only experience with linux was probably 15 years ago, and was redhat4dummies

04:36:44 nubbins`: dell will uninstall windows and refund you the $25, as long as you don't turn on your new laptop and pay shipping both ways

04:36:45 Duffer1: what do i want these days?

04:37:02 nubbins`: try ubuntu or mint

04:38:08 Duffer1: thanks

04:41:03 nubbins`: 2:10am, time for sleep

04:41:04 mikaeldice: I can't wait for high resolution display support to become more common on desktop distros

04:42:33 mikaeldice: My lenovo yoga has a 3200x1800 display on 13", which most Linux distros look ridiculous on currently.. Good news is that a lot of the work is already done, just waiting to be included in distro repositories

04:43:52 mikaeldice: I think Ubuntu 14.04 will be the first if you don't want to pull a bleeding edge build for it

04:44:12 mikaeldice: Though I kind of dislike the more recent releases of ubuntu

04:45:16 Duffer1: downloading 13.1 atm from website

04:47:20 Duffer1: oo looks like i should wait for 14.04

04:47:29 cazalla: yeah, 15th i believe

04:49:57 TestingUnoDosTre: damn

04:51:50 benkay: been talking a lot lately about bsd

04:52:03 benkay: don' want no mo ssl holes like that one

05:18:45 benkay: http://www.ricehadleygates.com/

05:18:47 ozbot: Rice Hadley Gates LLC | International Strategic Consulting Firm

05:18:56 benkay: i want an international strategic consulting firm!

05:26:20 mike_c: nubbins`: ok.. now you have to pick out cat photos to create an account.

05:40:35 mike_c: 2,750 spam accounts created on eulorum. and mediawiki has no way to mass-delete users..

05:40:57 benkay: hahaha

05:41:08 benkay: sucker

05:41:28 benkay: uh so i'm no expert at these things

05:41:40 benkay: being barely capable at my chosen trade in "lisp etc etc

05:41:44 benkay: ("lisp")

05:41:53 benkay: i've just started hacking on c and man is this shit miserable

05:42:16 mike_c: i'll have to figure out how to add blocks in sql. the admin interface is useless.

05:42:33 benkay: tee hee abstractions

05:42:36 MisterE: c is suck

05:42:44 benkay: i dunno man

05:42:47 benkay: mebbe i'm retarded

05:43:38 benkay: i dig the types for sure

05:43:58 benkay: but voof. buffers? in my face? all the time? surely this is not a good use of my brain.

05:57:22 fluffypony: benkay: that's the problem with being that low level

05:58:28 ThickAsThieves: how come china bans bitcoin every week?

05:58:33 ThickAsThieves: yet market always reacts

05:58:50 benkay: market consists of a few people trading over tin can telephones

05:59:00 benkay: ;;ticker

05:59:06 benkay: ;;ticker --market all

05:59:15 benkay: 411 you say.

05:59:41 fluffypony: and that's why I don't price watch

05:59:57 MisterE: not price watching is no fun

06:00:05 ThickAsThieves: buying is fun

06:00:06 MisterE: then you can't make moves and coin up

06:00:58 fluffypony: MisterE: I suck at trading

06:01:04 fluffypony: day trading doubly so

06:01:16 MisterE: I dont usually trade multiple times in a day

06:01:21 MisterE: maybe once a day

06:01:31 MisterE: trends I look for are ~24 hr

06:01:45 fluffypony: true

06:02:02 MisterE: just for play fun, I have other investments that are in cold storage

06:02:59 MisterE: troll the btce trollbox for a while :)

06:03:03 fluffypony: lol

06:03:12 fluffypony: the btc-e trollbox is an awful bunch of human beings

06:05:33 MisterE: truly

06:05:50 fluffypony: bought some of these to give to my parents and my in-laws: https://www.titanbtc.com/product/titan-one/

06:06:06 fluffypony: arrived yesterday

06:06:16 fluffypony: it arrives unfunded and you email them to "activate" it, then they fund ut

06:06:23 MisterE: I once made a retarded comment about "double inverted helix head & shoulders formation at the 3rd Fibonacci band formed" in trollbox

06:06:24 fluffypony: (to prevent it being lost in transit, presumably)

06:06:36 MisterE: I promptly got a PM asking me what this high tech investment analysis was

06:06:40 fluffypony: MisterE: LOL!

06:15:12 cazalla: fluffypony: why would you trust them?

06:15:37 fluffypony: cazalla: didn't see any negative reviews

06:15:51 fluffypony: and we wanted something presentation-y

06:16:00 cazalla: but how do you know they don't keep a copy of the private key?

06:16:11 fluffypony: we don't

06:16:42 fluffypony: there's a 2 factor authentication thing

06:16:57 fluffypony: https://www.titanbtc.com/titan-bitcoin-security/

06:18:12 fluffypony: I mean check

06:18:26 fluffypony: it's just a gift to them for fun that they may or may not be able to use one day

06:18:35 fluffypony: it's not to put someone's life savings into

06:26:42 [\]: where's mircea?

06:28:50 fluffypony: [\\\]: sleeping?

06:29:53 [\]: I wanted to introduce him to a bunch of new friends

06:30:06 [\]: I name dropped the channel in #bitcoin-pricetalk

06:30:20 fluffypony: heh

06:31:26 akstunt600: oh hey fluffypony

06:31:33 fluffypony: hey akstunt600

06:31:48 akstunt600: thanks for the invite [\\\]

06:38:47 [\]: it wasn't a fucking invite

06:39:09 [\]: fluffypony, people don't know about /list *bitcoin*

06:39:30 fluffypony: people don't know about /list

06:39:36 [\]: sadly

06:40:50 keonne_: people don't know about irc in general

06:40:54 fluffypony: yeah

06:41:15 fluffypony: a lot of people think that mIRC *is* IRC

06:41:20 dub: sadly they now know about this channel

06:41:35 fluffypony: they have nfi about the underlying architecture or what services are available and what they do

06:41:56 keonne: dub: one insult from mirecea will probably change that

06:42:59 keonne: hows its going mr pony?

06:43:11 keonne: how is South Africa on this fine Thursday

06:43:13 fluffypony: keonne: not too bad

06:43:16 fluffypony: it's REALLY foggy today

06:43:21 fluffypony: I took a picture, will upload it in a bit

06:43:29 keonne: cool, i like pictures

06:43:33 keonne: especially of your wife

06:43:36 keonne: :p

06:43:39 fluffypony: we're like 1.2kms from shore, and the fog is right up at the house

06:43:40 fluffypony: lol

06:44:00 keonne: wow thats pretty crazy

06:44:15 keonne: Paris is bright and lovely

06:44:20 fluffypony: ah nice

06:44:28 keonne: I'm leaving today, back to soggy wet England

06:44:31 fluffypony: Paris is beautiful in the spring

06:44:37 keonne: it really is

06:44:37 fluffypony: lol

06:44:47 fluffypony: I could never live in England

06:45:03 keonne: i love England, but it is damp

06:45:06 fluffypony: I love the people and the culture, but the weather would make me sad

06:45:25 keonne: I'm from south Florida, and I hate the heat, so the mild weather is pretty nice

06:45:29 fluffypony: ah ok

06:46:06 keonne: ok now to catch up on the logs

06:46:17 keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job

06:46:36 MisterE: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/whitehat-hacker-goes-too-far-gets-raided-by-fbi-tells-all/

06:46:37 ozbot: Whitehat hacker goes too far, gets raided by FBI, tells all | Ars Technica

06:47:17 MisterE: keonne: I went to HS in Miami also lived in Tampa and the keys for a while

06:49:35 fluffypony: MisterE: that guy is an idiot

06:49:36 fluffypony: 'I basically "confessed" everything to the FBI already.'

06:49:40 fluffypony: you never talk to the cops!

06:49:51 MisterE: yea

06:49:58 keonne: MisterE: I went to Beach High

06:50:06 keonne: for 2 years anyway, before driopping out

06:50:11 MisterE: S. Miami Beach?

06:50:18 keonne: yep

06:50:37 keonne: c/o 2005

06:50:48 MisterE: I dropped after 2-years too

06:50:52 MisterE: got a GED

06:50:55 keonne: same

06:51:05 keonne: mircea_popescu: <mike_c> yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes. << zing lmao. what you say nao pankkake ? huh ? huh ?

06:51:11 keonne: i lol'd because so true

06:51:26 MisterE: heh, probably in NL too heh

06:52:26 keonne: MisterE: So you grew up in Miami?

06:53:47 MisterE: yea in my teens

06:54:02 MisterE: I was all around the grove and Kendall area

06:54:06 keonne: You seem like a smart guy, so i am assuming you left asap

06:54:18 keonne: that place is a pit

06:54:25 MisterE: yea just before andrew we got out lucky

06:54:41 MisterE: indeed I went back after and asked my friend why they were staying

06:55:13 keonne: oh wow, that is lucky. My dad was emergency services so we stayed during Andrew, was scary/fun

06:55:57 MisterE: oh, I was young then just lucky timing. But later I worked as a paramedic in the west for 3-years

06:56:35 keonne: Yeah I was young too, but I remember it pretty well... I remember the national guard closing streets down and what not

06:57:12 MisterE: Homestead, man never seen anything like that

06:57:18 keonne: yep

06:57:24 MisterE: I'd ben there before I knew it was trailer city

06:58:03 keonne: most of Florida is trailer city, bad move really considering there is a yearly fucking hurricane season, geniuses

06:58:15 MisterE: You know the joke about What do tornadoes and divorces in Kentucky have in common?

06:58:20 keonne: the sun does funny things to people

06:58:22 MisterE: could be FL

06:58:36 keonne: i dont know the joke

06:58:39 MisterE: indeed and back when I was a kid there was so much coke

06:58:52 MisterE: oh, either way someone loses a trailer...

06:58:56 keonne: there still is lol

06:58:57 keonne: haha

06:59:00 MisterE: lel

06:59:38 fluffypony: lol

07:00:59 keonne: 18:44:21 asciilifeform: there was a great soviet cartoon about a kid who hates history class and then gets a time machine

07:01:02 keonne: 18:44:35 asciilifeform: he goes back and kills... just about everyone he failed exams on

07:01:07 keonne: asciilifeform: i need to see this

07:03:22 taub: one panic exhaustion to 350 please and strong reversal

07:03:43 keonne: ugh this robwhiz22 is making my head hurt

07:06:59 MisterE: taub: it's going to be like this until the 15th passes

07:07:23 keonne: ^ agreed

07:08:12 keonne: mircea_popescu: most of the fraudsters that's not written in vi is written in nano

07:08:24 keonne: i also like nano, keeps it simple, and i don't need extra fucking thumbs

07:09:43 MisterE: nano and pico ++

07:10:28 MisterE: I dont really know the difference like wget and curl

07:11:15 keonne: wget is recursive

07:11:18 keonne: curl isnt

07:11:50 keonne: among other things

07:12:13 MisterE: i read wget was designed for really crappy connections

07:12:47 MisterE: maybe that means longer timeouts

07:13:42 keonne: God i am regretting all the whisky last night

07:13:55 keonne: i can smell it in my sweat and it is grossing me out

07:52:55 MisterE: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/04/heartbleed.html

07:52:56 ozbot: Schneier on Security: Heartbleed

07:55:09 dub: herp de derp

08:11:39 keonne: i hate that i have to sell bitcoin today :(

08:15:02 jurov: ;;later tell mikaeldice i resorted to running startx -- -dpi 200 with kde, it works quite nicely.

08:16:54 fluffypony: keonne: yeah that's the worst

08:17:00 fluffypony: when it's low and you have to sell to cover expenses

08:17:01 fluffypony: :/

08:22:58 Apocalyptic: could be worse

08:23:18 keonne: yeah

08:23:27 keonne: its mildly annoying

08:27:07 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/coinjedi-betsofbitco-in-scammers-declares-push-on-obvious-win-for-bfl-bet.96820/page-18#post-5863694

08:27:09 ozbot: coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet | Page 18 | Bitcoint

08:32:48 keonne: i hope china bans bitcoin again at the end of the month payday

08:33:46 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

08:33:56 BingoBoingo: ;;more

08:41:16 MisterE: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/florida-bitcoin-case-tests-money-laundering-limits/articleshow/33515832.cms

08:44:59 jurov: ;;bc,convert eur

08:45:59 MisterE: If you didn't already need a reason to DROP Dropbox: http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/09/condoleezza-rice-joins-dropboxs-board/

08:46:18 fluffypony: :(

08:46:25 fluffypony: I like DropBox

08:46:30 Apocalyptic: ...

08:46:44 Apocalyptic: cloud storage is overrated

08:46:47 fluffypony: I mean, it's great for quick collaboration

08:47:08 fluffypony: Apocalyptic: yeah but I tried running ownCloud

08:47:10 fluffypony: and it was shit

09:19:27 dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.msg6153395#msg6153395 alberto is on the run as it seems

09:19:28 ozbot: labcoin lawsuit

09:23:19 fluffypony: meh

09:23:27 fluffypony: the only problem with keeping the details all out in the open is that he can see it

09:23:31 fluffypony: and stay ahead of them

09:24:03 dexX7: i assume what is posted there is the bare minimum

09:24:09 fluffypony: hopefullly

09:29:18 dub: i assume that IS alberto

09:29:33 fluffypony: dub: clever

09:29:40 fluffypony: very meta if it is

09:29:48 dub: its not 'meta' at all

09:30:30 dexX7: it's not

09:30:36 dexX7: his id was confirmed

09:31:04 fluffypony: dub: it would be - its a scammer scamming the scamhunters :-P

09:31:22 dub: just like you confirmed who labcoin was before investin

09:31:33 dexX7: :D

09:31:47 fluffypony: lol

09:31:55 fluffypony: "due diligence" much

09:40:36 dub: !t h am1

09:51:10 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

09:53:00 dexX7: ^ i guess china banned bitcoin again

10:05:54 fluffypony: go Australia: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/health/nhmrc-rule-homeopathic-remedies-useless-for-human-health/story-fni0diac-1226878166107

10:32:32 Mats_cd03: geez, the price keeps correcting each time i pick up more btc ;(

10:32:44 dexX7: before or after you bought? ;)

10:32:56 Mats_cd03: after hence the tear

10:32:59 dexX7: meh

10:33:13 Mats_cd03: im being punished for not using -otc

10:33:47 dexX7: how would -otc help in this case?

10:34:32 truffles: cheaper

10:34:38 Mats_cd03: it wouldn't, it would just be mildly cheaper

10:34:46 dexX7: ah

10:35:32 Apocalyptic: cheaper ?

10:35:50 Apocalyptic: otc usual rates are quite above the market price

10:36:07 truffles: u sure?

10:36:13 Apocalyptic: heh

10:36:23 Apocalyptic: i'm an op there and frequent trader, so yeah pretty muc

10:36:24 Apocalyptic: *much

10:36:40 truffles: so u know that coin guy pfff

10:36:46 Apocalyptic: I do

10:36:48 truffles: let me quote u what happened

10:37:11 truffles: we were talking about pool, and how he can get 1k per game easy etc

10:37:26 truffles: so obv he's some kinda pool shark/baller

10:37:45 Mats_cd03: ;;tell benkay having adventures in C? me too we're bros

10:38:06 Apocalyptic: ;;later tell

10:38:13 Mats_cd03: senkq

10:38:49 truffles: tell?

10:38:58 truffles: oh he failed nm

10:39:21 Mats_cd03: Apocalyptic: oh... i was under the impression it was

10:40:05 truffles: truffles> why is coingenuity on the phone with banks?

10:40:05 truffles: <coingenuity> truffles: because banks are banning bitcoin

10:40:05 truffles: <coingenuity> try sending money to an exchange right now ;)

10:40:05 truffles: <truffles> if ure into btc why do u still hold onto bank accounts..

10:40:05 truffles: <coingenuity> truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies

10:40:06 truffles: <truffles> well i hope ure on there all day

10:40:06 truffles: * ChanServ sets mode: +o coingenuity

10:40:07 truffles: * You were kicked by coingenuity (you're)

10:40:07 truffles: <truffles> cry about it more plz

10:40:08 truffles: <@coingenuity> truffles: i'm trying to warn you to behave

10:40:08 truffles: <truffles> u mean to stroke ur ego?

10:40:09 truffles: <@coingenuity> really, dude

10:40:09 truffles: <truffles> oh look at u, u have "power"

10:40:10 truffles: * You were kicked by coingenuity (come back when you can behave)

10:40:15 truffles: chat spame

10:40:53 truffles: so then i in #bitcoin i was like "why are u such a bitch" i think im banned there too

10:41:04 Apocalyptic: maybe if you would write properly it wouldn't have escalated that far

10:41:10 truffles: haha

10:41:21 Apocalyptic: cause as far as I can see that's what the first kick was for

10:41:35 truffles: if spelling gets u kicks heh

10:41:40 Duffer1: truffles <coingenuity> truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies >> wtf is coingenuity?

10:41:47 truffles: some baller

10:41:53 truffles: mod on otc

10:42:07 Apocalyptic: Duffer1, he's running coinabul

10:42:47 truffles: i think he's on some kinda power trip ya know

10:42:50 Duffer1: isee

10:44:51 truffles: "Coinabul has been ripping people off for a while." shit no wonder he can drop 1k a game

10:47:24 kakobrekla: power trip? more like acid trip

10:47:57 Apocalyptic: kako, you have some history with coingenuity ?

10:47:58 BingoBoingo: Power Acid!

10:48:10 kakobrekla: i dont think i do

10:48:59 truffles: not surprised he's not a reputable guy

10:49:22 truffles: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149253.msg2876339#msg2876339

10:49:23 ozbot: SCAM - Coinabul owe me 81btc

10:50:33 Diablo-D3: so Im signing up with bitpay

10:50:40 Diablo-D3: so I can accept bitcoin

10:51:06 Diablo-D3: I dunno, after all the years Ive been in the Bitcoin community, I just can't turn my back on everyone

10:51:21 truffles: bitcoin for?

10:52:12 truffles: thought u cashed out and now rolling in money piles

10:54:59 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mpexrfc1/ << this is mpex' first rfc

10:55:00 ozbot: MPEx.RFC.1 pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

10:55:08 mircea_popescu: so please to read and comment

10:56:01 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 so you're averaging your cost down :D

10:56:42 mircea_popescu: <truffles> if spelling gets u kicks heh << dude i thought you were the english expert.

10:56:58 truffles: not on the internet

10:57:22 truffles: pretty sure id best u in something written in english for sure

10:57:34 mircea_popescu: on what, vellum ?

10:57:47 truffles: non pc topic

10:58:03 truffles: bring all ur minions too

10:58:53 truffles: prob not if one is english prof

10:59:07 mircea_popescu: mon minions font minette

11:03:35 pigeons: retro link of the day http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/

11:05:02 mircea_popescu: lol

11:05:33 mircea_popescu: poor mr gross.

11:05:46 mircea_popescu: http://ripper234.com/p/mt-gox-is-probably-insolvent/

11:05:52 mircea_popescu: has learned so little over so long.

11:06:54 mircea_popescu: http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/comment-page-1/#comment-33568 < with #assets link too.

11:08:09 dexX7: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92279.0 "not a scam but failed business"

11:08:10 ozbot: Why I used to trust Patrick Harnett

11:08:27 mircea_popescu: oh i c.

11:08:45 mircea_popescu: the failed business of having lied through your teeth accidentally for great justice.

11:09:25 dexX7: last edit nov 17 2012 though

11:09:29 taub: MisterE> taub: it's going to be like this until the 15th passes

11:09:33 taub: whats on the 15th?

11:09:41 dexX7: china finally bans btc

11:09:43 mircea_popescu: mod6 dignork only noobs want windows ok cancel boxes! i want my client to damn well do what i tell it to.

11:09:46 mircea_popescu: keeps me on my toes.

11:09:59 pigeons: if you dont want pirate risk, i can tell you its not with pirate and pay you less

11:11:13 mircea_popescu: pigeons in a meta-sense, everyone that fucked up so far has been fucked by the same thing : failure to take btc seriously enough. be it the derps that still don't have any, harping about how it's just a fad and quoting tired beanie babies examples,

11:11:42 mircea_popescu: or on the other extreme patrick harnetts and other herps figuring "oh, it's jsut a small little thing, i'm much bigger than it so should be ok"

11:11:54 mircea_popescu: the whole spectrum seems to reduce to "didn't take it seriously enough"

11:16:59 bounce: no definite answer, but a few possibilities: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/10/pgp_email_leak_mystery_snowden_greenwald/

11:17:08 mircea_popescu: jborkl: We know how many btc there will be next year << he has it, btc supply is extremely well know. the function that stabilises the dishing out of btc over time has been EXTREMELY efficient so far, in spite of massive hashpower changes. i would say btc supply side is the best known of any material in history. including gold, which used to hold that distinction (which was a key to its monetization)

11:22:04 mircea_popescu: bounce i myself am happy with the "clueless woman, learned to use gpg last week, does not quite grok what keys are or how they work"

11:22:31 mircea_popescu: i have no idea how come they still give diplomas to lawyers and journalists that aren't fluent with gpg since their sophomore year, but hey.

11:23:04 bounce: because formalities and actual achievements are quite disconnected

11:23:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c: for instance, mp has a bunch of coins. they are not supply because they are not for sale. << they are supply even if they are not for sale. review Wickard v. Filburn :D

11:25:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014#612648 << still empty log lines ?! kakobrekla omg

11:25:41 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

11:26:03 truffles: maybe he's busy

11:26:14 Apocalyptic: he's editing the shit out of it

11:26:22 truffles: lol

11:27:22 mircea_popescu: lol

11:27:38 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: wrt not taking it seriously - not sure about other countries, but we have a new (2009) act here that says that a director will be liable for losses suffered by the company as a result of the director having taken or failed to act against certain unauthorised or unlawful actions and situations

11:27:41 mircea_popescu: cazalla the life of the p t barnum promoter of roadside attractions is a precarious one.

11:27:45 kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/2o/J/Rgy8g6Y/log.png

11:28:14 mircea_popescu: fluffypony pretty sure that was the case before 2009, both in common and civil law jurisdictions.

11:28:20 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: not in South Africa

11:28:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla o wow he just pasted teh empty ? nm then

11:28:32 fluffypony: was pretty much the wild west here

11:28:36 mircea_popescu: fluffypony ah ah, ok.

11:30:39 mircea_popescu: actually eulorum.org doesn't even load.

11:31:04 mircea_popescu: mikaeldice: Though I kind of dislike the more recent releases of ubuntu << word.

11:32:17 wywialm: hello all

11:32:49 mircea_popescu: [\\\] i am here.

11:32:53 mircea_popescu: hi wy

11:34:26 mircea_popescu: aww dub why so sour ? noobs taste good.

11:39:23 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu is in high spirits today

11:39:32 Mats_cd03: did you get an afternoon bj

11:41:12 mircea_popescu: i just woke up.

11:41:55 mircea_popescu: keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here.

11:42:22 truffles: so ure a morning person eh

11:43:50 mircea_popescu: for some definitions of morning.

11:44:57 mircea_popescu: MisterE guy is definitely lying. had he made that reddit post BEFORE having tried to steal the data rather than as a coverup afterthought, all'd hgave been well.

11:45:32 truffles: some ppl r like zombies in the morning

11:46:37 mircea_popescu: yes, but those aren't the people that never woke up with a timer in their life.

11:47:22 truffles: orly

12:42:35 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you still around?

12:43:30 mircea_popescu: ya

12:44:24 thestringpuller: from fraudsters: MPEx webservers will have to keep a copy of the database. This is practically unavoidable (I think) because of two things : you.d like to be able to issue account statements for customers when they want, rather than when you get around to itviii and you.d like to pipe trade data into other services (like twitter, assbot on #bitcoin-assets etc).

12:45:11 thestringpuller: does this mean that each webserver holds trade data?

12:46:10 mircea_popescu: pretty much

12:48:12 thestringpuller: oh for STAT

12:48:18 thestringpuller: i see...

12:53:56 nubbins`: truffles, speeling = improtant

12:54:17 nubbins`: ;;later tell mike_c cats? now I'M signing up for multiple accounts :D

12:54:42 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: inexplainably is, inexplicably, not a word

12:56:15 fluffypony: that's unexplendifirous

12:58:34 nubbins`: i think the word you're looking for is cromulent

12:58:50 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: +1 for lost-key safeguard process, that's clever

13:11:16 kakobrekla: ok lel

13:11:17 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563303.0

13:11:19 ozbot: Invest Bitcoins due to launch shortly!

13:12:31 fluffypony: shut up and take my money!

13:12:43 Mats_cd03: does gpg timestamping continue to be an issue?

13:13:10 Apocalyptic: seriously...

13:13:23 Apocalyptic: "i don't have any idea about wtf i'm doing"

13:13:45 kakobrekla: me neither

13:13:52 pankkake: GPG puts timestamps in signatures?

13:14:38 nubbins`: "The investment is more for people who want to safeguard BTC at the current prices"

13:15:08 nubbins`: so it's just like cashing out, but instead of cashing out into your local currency, you cash out into indian government bonds

13:15:17 nubbins`: sounds like a win-win-win

13:15:55 Mats_cd03: pankkake: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mpexrfc1/

13:16:09 Mats_cd03: > Because of inherited weakness from pgp’s own timestamping, there is currently no reliable way to resolve time disputes : the client can very well present his own version (as included in the signed material), MPEx will present its own version (as reflected by when it has seen the order) and no further progress can be made (for which reason MPEx’

13:16:09 Mats_cd03: determination is final).

13:17:35 nubbins`: wait a minute, i know why i'm so bleary

13:17:39 *: nubbins` makes coffee

13:18:51 Mats_cd03: only pakistani govt bonds are more safe

13:19:13 pankkake: and don't confuse them with pankkistani bonds

13:19:22 Mats_cd03: weak

13:20:23 nubbins`: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/government-bond-yield

13:20:24 ozbot: France Government Bond 10Y | Actual Data | Forecasts | Calendar

13:20:24 nubbins`: yup

13:20:28 nubbins`: ;D

13:26:36 danielpbarron: "please learn to read. this coin is about raising awareness for rap music and rap victims. it's not about promoting rap. why would anyone do this? you're a sick person."

13:27:01 pankkake: what

13:27:36 truffles: tupac?

13:27:51 danielpbarron: a stupid altcoin, but i think the OP is trolling

13:27:55 danielpbarron: "yes. a launch. we have a coin, a website, a twitter, facebook, g+ profile, a windows wallet, no real concept and of course no innovation. everything you need for a great coin. this coin has muy potentialones."

13:28:12 pankkake: to the hood!

13:28:29 danielpbarron: made me laugh out loud when I read "rap victims"

13:28:48 MisterE: maybe it was typo

13:29:28 fluffypony: "muy potentialones"

13:30:05 truffles: pantalones

13:30:20 fluffypony: danielpbarron: definitely trolling

13:30:23 fluffypony: I mean, it's called RAPe

13:30:37 fluffypony: "Rap(e)Coin: the rap coin that's not about rape because rape is bad and rap isn't"

13:30:43 kakobrekla: lol

13:30:44 danielpbarron: lolol

13:31:05 kakobrekla: is this one of the Rap-e-ghosts thingy

13:31:37 nubbins`: better get ultimate scammer rg on the line to find out

13:31:42 fluffypony: LOL kakobrekla

13:31:49 nubbins`: ;;rated rg

13:32:52 danielpbarron: what's the deal with trezor? I'm gonna assume it's not as good as cardano will be?

13:33:03 danielpbarron: or should I not even be comparing these things?

13:33:09 kakobrekla: its good to asume its not even close to being the same thing

13:33:13 kakobrekla: assume

13:33:43 fluffypony: if you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME

13:33:49 fluffypony: *du-du-dish*

13:34:58 danielpbarron: i guess what I mean is, ... ultimately this is about securing BTC right? is trezor any good at that?

13:35:40 kakobrekla: cardano does not hold bitcoin private keys

13:35:42 danielpbarron: from what I understand, a lot of the cardano research is getting the right hardware RNG; is trezor up to the same standard?

13:36:34 kakobrekla: as to rng on trezor

13:36:40 kakobrekla: they use deterministic wallets afaik

13:37:04 danielpbarron: does that mean the user programs it?

13:37:59 kakobrekla: you supply the 12 or whatever words to make the seed from which all the future bitcoin key pairs are generated

13:38:44 danielpbarron: if I can type in the 12 words somehow, that's pretty cool

13:39:05 danielpbarron: otherwise, I don't think I can trust that little thing to make a secure enough seed

13:39:07 kakobrekla: its cool until it isnt.

13:39:58 danielpbarron: yeah it makes me suspicious when everyone is hyping it up and it's still on pre-order; sounds a lot like BFL

13:40:18 danielpbarron: "give us BTC today and maybe we'll ship you a product next year"

13:40:37 kakobrekla: thats trezor

13:40:43 danielpbarron: right, that's what I mean

13:40:44 kakobrekla: bfl is "give us btc and fuck you."

13:40:49 danielpbarron: lol

13:41:16 pLambert: has BitVPS buyout been discussed here yet? A big FU to all the shareholders

13:41:35 kakobrekla: what buyout?

13:41:58 pLambert: they are buying back shares based on the past couple dividends

13:42:09 Mats_cd03: 3btc is just a ridiculous cost imo

13:42:25 kakobrekla: dunno havent been following that story

13:42:30 pLambert: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141262.msg6151254#msg6151254

13:42:31 ozbot: [BTC-TC] BitVPS

13:42:32 Mats_cd03: im not stingy, but its unnecessary

13:42:32 danielpbarron: 2 BTC is ridic for an aluminium upgrade, Mats_cd03

13:43:01 danielpbarron: Mats_cd03: I don't mind it costing a lot, but it's insulting to say that using aliminum costs 2 BTC more than using plastic

13:43:12 kakobrekla: >>I invested 700 dollars, and you think I can be content with your forced 20 dollars buy-back?

13:43:12 kakobrekla: I would have been less offended if you had just said "Fuck you, I'm keeping your money."

13:43:13 kakobrekla: --

13:43:14 kakobrekla: lel

13:44:16 fluffypony: what have the dividends been like over the period? I take it not enough to cover the original investment?

13:48:03 danielpbarron: I am the issuer of the #5 ranked asset in counterparty :D

13:49:09 fluffypony: wd danielpbarron

13:49:18 pLambert: They keep saying "we are investing in more hardware, so dividends are low this month", then for the buyback they ignore all the hardware they just bought

13:50:02 danielpbarron: ty, fluffypony; I've got the market cap up to a record breaking 0.52 XCP

13:50:05 pLambert: arij: want to comment on this?

13:50:26 danielpbarron: pLambert: is this a mining company?

13:50:45 pLambert: BitVPS is a hosting company

13:50:50 danielpbarron: oh

13:51:15 pankkake: danielpbarron: is it something real?

13:51:24 pLambert: imagine if Warren Buffet wanted to buy shares of his company back based onthe dividends: $0.00 to you, shareholders

13:51:39 danielpbarron: pankkake: sorta, I backed my asset with a currency from a video game

13:52:11 pankkake: bitvps was profit shares though

13:53:26 danielpbarron: I'm doing it just for fun; trying out the protocol

13:54:49 benkay: thestringpuller: ping

14:17:32 benkay: last bitvps statement was december?

14:34:18 danielpbarron: what's the most influential group of bitcoiners? the devs, the miners, or whatever you call the individuals who own a lot of BTC

14:35:12 benkay: some in this channel would hold it to be this channel

14:35:35 benkay: miners are influential in that txns that adhere to 0.6 rules will probably always get relayed

14:35:44 pankkake: define influential

14:36:04 benkay: devs, unles you're talking about conformal, don't really do much other than implement dirty code into bitcoin-qt

14:36:36 pankkake: transaction/network wise, both miners *and* public nodes. devs, nothing really, as it is with all open source software

14:37:18 danielpbarron: i've been tempted into thinking it was the devs and then the miners that had all the power

14:37:37 danielpbarron: but now I'm leaning to that other group, the group i'm not sure what to call

14:38:06 benkay: "powerful"'s a good start.

14:38:17 danielpbarron: "holders" ?

14:38:26 danielpbarron: venture capitalists? or just capitalists?

14:38:30 benkay: *shrug*

14:38:36 benkay: power comes in many forms.

14:38:47 benkay: sometimes it looks like btc, sometimes it looks like hashes...

14:39:03 danielpbarron: pankkake is right about devs, it's open source stuff

14:39:34 danielpbarron: so then why not the miners? and keep in mind I mean the pool operators, not the guy in his basement

14:39:56 pankkake: pool operators are highly dependent on their users, as it is very easy to migrate

14:40:14 danielpbarron: yep

14:40:29 benkay: everyone forced to more or less play the same way

14:40:32 pankkake: but, at least for now, miners don't really care about pool transaction policies

14:40:47 danielpbarron: they sorta do, or at least, they do when they are also a dev

14:40:53 danielpbarron: i can think of 1 example

14:45:54 benkay: care to share, danielpbarron ?

14:46:14 danielpbarron: what? which dev is also a miner?

14:46:20 danielpbarron: is that not common knowledge?

14:47:18 benkay: oh, i thought you had an example of someone who cares about txn rules

14:47:29 benkay: and like maybe why and some other context

14:47:33 benkay: high hopes :(

14:47:36 danielpbarron: i do

14:48:20 danielpbarron: at the risk of starting the whole argument over again, the context is counterparty / mastercoin and the OP_RETURN controversy

14:48:36 benkay: oh sounds popcorny

14:48:40 danielpbarron: very

14:48:43 benkay: what is this controversy?

14:49:07 danielpbarron: counterparty stores its data in the Blockchain and the devs don't like this

14:49:16 danielpbarron: that's the tl;dr

14:49:24 benkay: what's the controversy over op_return?

14:49:52 pankkake: storage is a cost, and no one's rewarded for storing

14:49:55 danielpbarron: OP_RETURN is a place to store extra data in a transaction

14:50:04 pankkake: that's why transactions should be as small as possible

14:50:11 danielpbarron: ya, what pankkake said

14:50:34 pankkake: I wonder if I can easily make my public nodes stop relaying OP_RETURN :)

14:50:36 danielpbarron: full nodes should get most of the transaction fees, but they get nothing

14:51:01 danielpbarron: anyway my point is, there is controversy over transaction rules, so miners have so influence in that regard

14:51:05 benkay: whoa you can store data in the blockchain without paying?

14:51:14 danielpbarron: benkay: sorta

14:51:26 benkay: do elaborate i'd be much obliged

14:51:33 pankkake: miners get paid, not "storers"

14:51:39 danielpbarron: benkay: you pay, but the payment doesn't go to those actually doing the heavy lifting

14:51:48 benkay: oh

14:51:53 benkay: eh fuck 'em

14:51:57 benkay: blockchain's a nightmare anyways

14:52:07 benkay: miners get paid right?

14:52:10 benkay: that's all i care about.

14:52:13 pankkake: for me, bitcoin is terabytes of bandwith per month - I don't mind as it's almost free, but don't make the madness worse

14:52:17 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/morgentaler-abortion-clinic-in-fredericton-to-close-1.2604535

14:52:17 ozbot: Morgentaler abortion clinic in Fredericton to close - New Brunswick - CBC News

14:52:19 danielpbarron: yeah but they don't need the payment; they don't mine for profit anyway

14:52:33 danielpbarron: hey some good news!

14:52:40 benkay: miners don't mine for profit?

14:52:42 benkay: news to me.

14:52:49 danielpbarron: i believe miners mine for network control

14:53:00 jurov: pankkake meant nonminer nodes

14:53:01 benkay: the state sponsored ones definitely

14:53:28 jurov: i don't mind a terabyte per month,too but 10TB or more... um

14:53:30 danielpbarron: some individuals profit i guess, if they get really cheap electricity and make their own boards

14:53:42 benkay: this is one of those things about bitcoin. staging on the blockchain is just going to get more and more painfully expensive.

14:53:44 benkay: staying*

14:53:51 pankkake: yeah I think I'm capped at 6TB

14:54:04 benkay: either you'll pay for the privilege or you won't.

14:54:06 benkay: end of story.

14:54:08 danielpbarron: benkay: what do you mean "staying on the blockchain?"

14:54:12 Apocalyptic: how so benkay ?

14:54:14 benkay: staying up to date

14:54:27 Apocalyptic: the maximum potential blockchain growth rate is well known

14:54:34 danielpbarron: storage space is trivial

14:54:35 Apocalyptic: thanks for the block size limit

14:54:45 danielpbarron: the issue isn't hard drive space

14:54:47 Apocalyptic: it's just some gigs/year

14:55:07 benkay: we're talking about the mem pool, though, right?

14:55:25 danielpbarron: hard drive space is only an issue to those trying to take a principled stand on not storing content to which they personally object

14:55:53 benkay: txns in flight is the topic, though, correct?

14:55:57 Apocalyptic: <benkay> we're talking about the mem pool, though, right? // you can choose not to query peers for tx data

14:56:05 Apocalyptic: and only get blocks I think

14:56:10 benkay: so do that

14:56:13 danielpbarron: benkay: because OP_RETURN is too small to store counterparty data, they use multi-sig addresses instead, and that uses up memory

14:56:38 benkay: memory where for whom in what part of the process

14:56:45 danielpbarron: full nodes

14:57:04 danielpbarron: full nodes have to keep those addresses in memory as outputs that might get spent in future transactions

14:58:01 benkay: when do they need that? when validating a new block?

14:58:11 danielpbarron: when validating transactions

14:58:17 danielpbarron: full nodes are not miners and miners are not full nodes

14:58:26 Apocalyptic: he knows that

14:58:26 danielpbarron: there might be some overlap

14:58:42 Apocalyptic: but full nodes don't need mempool data for validating blocks

14:58:44 benkay: so take a counterparty transaction

14:58:59 danielpbarron: i might be explaining some technical details incorrectly; i'm not a dev

14:58:59 benkay: has it been confirmed yet?

14:59:14 benkay: let's tell a little story and try to work through this

14:59:26 benkay: start with a counterparty txn. is this thing in flight or has it confirmed?

14:59:33 dexX7: 1. metacoins and the utxo set: http://i.imgur.com/c9mpd8h.png, 2. what is way more "avoidable" than multisigs is the creation of multiple unspent outputs "to have free outputs ready" (@ xcp) x_x

15:01:25 danielpbarron: i'm on the side of counterparty if I had to choose, i think the decentralized exchange is a great idea

15:02:06 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: oh boo another glbse investor

15:02:17 danielpbarron: i never used that site

15:02:18 benkay: he's underwriting, thestringpuller

15:02:25 thestringpuller: exchanges will always be centralized things, there can be multiple exchanges

15:02:33 benkay: thestringpuller: ping ping ping ping ping

15:02:43 danielpbarron: i think there is room for both centralized and decentralized

15:02:44 thestringpuller: but each excahnge is centralized as you will always trust the issuer

15:02:46 dexX7: benkay: think of "let's create new transaction types and coins, encode the transaction information and store it on the blockchain as pubkeys in multisig transaction outputs"

15:02:52 thestringpuller: you will always have to trust the issuer*

15:03:01 danielpbarron: i get that, thestringpuller

15:03:43 Apocalyptic: oh "decentralized exchange" idea again ?

15:03:48 *: Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn

15:04:11 danielpbarron: s/idea/reality/g

15:05:03 thestringpuller: i feel a decentralized exchange would be littered with scams

15:05:08 danielpbarron: so?

15:05:17 danielpbarron: just like everywhere else

15:05:19 thestringpuller: so you want an exchange for scams?

15:05:30 danielpbarron: you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

15:05:32 fluffypony: http://revicharger.com

15:05:36 benkay: hang on this topic is stupid and boring and you're all stupid and boring for engaging in it

15:05:37 fluffypony: that's actually quite clever

15:05:37 danielpbarron: Bitcoin has enabled scams, so what?

15:05:45 thestringpuller: s.dice was teh closest thing to a scam no mpex...

15:05:55 thestringpuller: every other play exchange has had multiple scams...

15:06:05 danielpbarron: s.dice was a scam?

15:06:08 benkay: i want to know more about these memory requirements imposed by mastercoin

15:06:14 thestringpuller: like the ratio of scam to actual businesses was too damn high

15:06:17 danielpbarron: from what I read, S.DICE was managed very well

15:06:41 danielpbarron: benkay: why mastercoin? counterparty is live and working

15:06:55 benkay: counterparty whatever pedant

15:07:08 benkay: i lose track of all the colored coin implementations

15:08:03 danielpbarron: well, I'm not 100% behind the DEX; I understand the arguments against it, and it's not the end of my world if the devs figure out a way to stop it

15:08:14 kanzure: to be even more pedantic, counterparty isn't a colored coin implementation

15:08:17 kanzure: (don't kill me)

15:08:53 benkay: so you can't possibly be telling me that a full node needs to hold the whole bc in memory to do its job

15:08:53 benkay: is that so?

15:08:58 benkay: <-- does not run nodes

15:08:59 dexX7: the complaint was the amount of unspent outputs/utxo bloat created by those transactions - the argument fails because those unspent outputs are actually spendable and spent frequently

15:09:23 kanzure: the counterparty reference implementation requires a full bitcoin node with -txindex enabled

15:09:36 kanzure: so often this means reindexing the blockchain for nodes that haven't been using -txindex

15:09:50 kanzure: uh i wonder if -txindex is the right parameter. hrm. it's the one about indexing.

15:10:24 kanzure: anywho then the counterparty server sends getrawtransaction messages over rpc to the bitcoin node for every transaction since the burn period began

15:10:32 dexX7: you don't need to hold everything in memory, but there is a database with all unspent outputs. more outputs = delayed lookup

15:10:46 fluffypony: lol

15:11:21 fluffypony: my wife is talking about going to the US at some stage

15:11:22 fluffypony: "we must go to all 50 states. Except Alaska. Alaska isn't going to be nice."

15:11:44 danielpbarron: well i've seen plenty of individuals storing data in other ways, like using the last 4 or 5 decimal places of a balance to encode data

15:12:03 danielpbarron: the US kinda sucks; if you aren't here already, don't come

15:12:17 danielpbarron: not worth the risk of possibly not being allowed to leave

15:12:32 truffles: get items stolen at tsa

15:13:24 danielpbarron: get poisoned with crappy food, drugged water, groped by the "authorities," wealth confiscated because you probably sold drugs to get it

15:13:35 danielpbarron: or you're a terrorist

15:13:49 danielpbarron: honest individuals don't need money; Big Brother feeds them

15:14:08 kakobrekla: ;;ticker

15:14:08 fluffypony: danielpbarron: she meant for holiday, we would never move there

15:14:18 danielpbarron: fluffypony: i know what you meant; don't do it

15:14:28 danielpbarron: for all of the above reasons

15:14:34 truffles: he'll have a great time let him go

15:14:45 danielpbarron: heh ok; just speaking from my own experience

15:14:59 fluffypony: lol

15:14:59 fluffypony: the food is crappy

15:15:02 fluffypony: when I said that on Reddit ages ago I got attacked by apologists

15:15:16 Apocalyptic: dat dive

15:15:18 danielpbarron: there are ways to get non-crappy food but you have to know what you're doing

15:15:49 danielpbarron: and you probably have to avoid some taxes to afford it

15:16:43 fluffypony: danielpbarron: yeah that's what I figured

15:16:43 fluffypony: oh look, welcome to the magical 400.00

15:16:51 danielpbarron: :O

15:17:05 danielpbarron: bitcoinaverage says 389

15:17:07 danielpbarron: damn

15:17:09 taub: its on

15:17:10 fluffypony: ouch

15:17:17 fluffypony: yeah just took a nose dive down

15:17:33 danielpbarron: i guess those peeps who were bugging me to buy the other day are happy now

15:17:34 benkay: no demand :)

15:17:38 benkay: bitcoin's a scam

15:18:56 fluffypony: benkay: I thought it was a ponzi scheme?

15:19:39 kanzure: i'm making a collection of overly-enthusiastic claims about bitcoin

15:19:46 kanzure: i'm open to suggestions for what content to include

15:20:02 fluffypony: kanzure: this is GOOD news!

15:20:08 kanzure: i want the stuff that will still found funny even if bitcoin does eat up the world

15:20:14 kanzure: like this one: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/fanaticism/if-i-was-chairman-of-the-fed.yaml

15:20:49 danielpbarron: lol

15:21:09 danielpbarron: "If I was Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, the most powerful central bank in the world, I would be buying bitcoin like mad."

15:21:18 danielpbarron: LIKE MAD, YO

15:21:19 fluffypony: almost buttcoins http://i.imgur.com/6GhqT4q.jpg

15:21:49 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/patrick-brazeau-suspended-senator-arrested-in-gatineau-1.2605159

15:21:50 ozbot: Patrick Brazeau, suspended senator, arrested in Gatineau - Ottawa - CBC News

15:21:52 kanzure: personally i think all bitcointalk.org posts should start with "Yo,"

15:21:59 danielpbarron: haha i've probably been on that train, looks like MTA

15:22:15 nubbins`: from law-school dropout to canadian senator to strip club manager

15:22:22 nubbins`: GREAT SENATE PICK, HARPER

15:22:32 kanzure: what's wrong with running a strip club?

15:22:41 nubbins`: nothing

15:23:02 kanzure: oh i see, i should have asked what's wrong with the senate =)

15:23:07 nubbins`: EVERYTHING

15:23:47 nubbins`: seriously. the senate. highest judicial body in the country. guy gets fired for being a shitbag, and the best job he can scrounge together after that is putting together the weekly schedule at the fuckin Bare Fax

15:24:06 nubbins`: almost makes you think he shouldn't have been appointed to the senate in the first place

15:24:13 danielpbarron: "The banks would be saved because people would be borrowing as much money as possible in order to buy bitcoin." <-- ...

15:24:15 thestringpuller: bet closed

15:24:27 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

15:24:29 kanzure: danielpbarron: this is the sort of hyper-fanatacism that i am seeking

15:24:59 danielpbarron: one-of-a-kind stupidity there

15:29:58 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

16:00:13 ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 10000

16:00:35 ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 25000

16:00:43 ThickAsThieves: lol

16:00:53 ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 15000

16:01:01 ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 20000

16:01:21 ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 22500

16:01:35 ThickAsThieves: ;;market buy 23500

16:03:02 ThickAsThieves: so about 24k coins on the market

16:03:33 benkay: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579492364231819656?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303873604579492364231819656.html

16:03:34 ozbot: Weak Chinese Trade Data Cloud Growth Hopes - WSJ.com

16:04:36 dvsdude: Stephen Colbert will succeed David Letterman as host of 'The Late Show'

16:05:10 ThickAsThieves: that works

16:05:16 ThickAsThieves: letterman is boring as shit

16:05:39 ThickAsThieves: too bad theyll suck the sould out of colbert

16:06:31 benkay: colbert and stewart's shows are utterly inane

16:10:11 MisterE: ;;ticker --market all

16:39:05 BingoBoingo: !t h neobeeq

16:44:12 benkay: !t h rent

16:44:25 benkay: how long does this one go for?

16:45:02 pLambert: until the end of the month, I think

16:51:23 benkay: ;;cal 17.00250000/2267

16:51:29 benkay: ;;calc 17.00250000/2267

17:13:48 keonne: keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here. i see that, at least im honest, maybe one day i will be able to afford the trading platform fee and have my mind warped enough to warrant a spot in the full time club

17:14:22 keonne: er meant to tab mircea

17:15:26 nubbins`: what in the fuck is a job

17:16:17 keonne: honestly my job doesnt feel like a job, so i guess im lucky there

17:16:24 keonne: also h8 at nubbins`

17:16:40 nubbins`: don't h8, m8

17:16:54 keonne: since in my mind hes lounging in a pool flush with btc and pussy in the virgin islands

17:17:04 keonne: dont ruin the image, i want to be you

17:17:09 truffles: haha

17:17:24 truffles: cept he lives in frozen canada :D

17:17:39 keonne: oh dear

17:17:53 keonne: but aye on the pools of btc and pussy

17:19:23 truffles: pussy is so overrated anus is where its at

17:20:27 dignork: mircea_popescu, it's just a sensible default, which can be changed via weechat.look.paste_max_lines, same idea is implemented in some unixes by aliasing 'rm' to 'rm -i', just a default

17:21:06 nubbins`: it's too cold for backyard pools here

17:22:25 keonne: does anyone use the blockchain android wallet

17:22:42 nubbins`: android is for poor people

17:23:02 keonne: lol

17:23:05 truffles: dam i missed that memo

17:23:24 benkay: phones are for wage slaves

17:23:31 fluffypony: nubbins`: so you're a Windows Phone user, then?

17:23:35 nubbins`: http://www.osnews.com/story/27661/_Android_is_for_poor_people_

17:23:36 ozbot: 'Android is for poor people'

17:23:54 keonne: lol such helpful

17:23:55 nubbins`: http://gizmodo.com/5977625/android-is-popular-because-its-cheap-not-because-its-good

17:23:56 ozbot: Android Is Popular Because It's Cheap, Not Because It's Good

17:24:22 keonne: gizmodo is popular because it's cheap, not because it's good

17:24:24 nubbins`: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/362650/android-handsets-a-poor-mans-iphone-research-claims

17:24:34 ozbot: Android handsets a poor man's iPhone, research claims | News | PC Pro

17:24:37 nubbins`: http://theinterrobang.com/2013/07/rich-people-like-iphones-poor-people-like-android/

17:24:38 ozbot: Rich People Like iPhones, Poor People Like Android – The Interrobang

17:24:41 fluffypony: gizmodo is popular? I stopped reading there a long time ago

17:24:45 truffles: so Iphones are popular cuz theyre shiny?

17:24:50 keonne: how do you have all these on hand nubbins`

17:24:53 benkay: such science

17:24:55 nubbins`: i don't

17:25:03 nubbins`: i just googled "android is for poor people"

17:25:06 keonne: lol

17:25:18 keonne: this is why you get all the pussy and btc

17:25:23 keonne: and im a simple wage slave

17:25:29 nubbins`: not really

17:26:10 nubbins`: smartphones are for fucking losers in general

17:26:16 keonne: asciilifeform: what was the name of that soviet cartoon you mentioned earlier

17:26:25 nubbins`: REAL MEN CHECK THEIR TELEPHONES SEVERAL TIMES AN HOUR

17:26:32 truffles: nubbins` what do u use?

17:26:42 nubbins`: IPHONE

17:26:46 nubbins`: i mean, iphone

17:26:48 nubbins`: heh

17:26:51 keonne: iPhone

17:26:52 truffles: oh ok

17:27:12 truffles: im surprised cuz i read they dont withstand cold temps

17:27:31 fluffypony: nubbins`: want a wooden case for it? we have a bunch as gifts, but most of our customers are Android users, and the guy that makes them doesn't make Android cases

17:27:32 nubbins`: shrug. i keep my phone in my pocket, not my mailbox

17:27:59 nubbins`: fluffypony, i don't use cases, but tyvm

17:28:05 fluffypony: np

17:28:38 keonne: cases are for poor people according to nubbins`

17:28:42 fluffypony: lol

17:28:48 nubbins`: now you're putting words in my mouth

17:28:55 nubbins`: cases are for clumsy people

17:28:56 keonne: guilty

17:29:19 keonne: but i also did make up a life story for you

17:29:23 nubbins`: if you drop your $500 phone so often that you need to put it in a case, maybe you shouldn't have one

17:29:53 truffles: im pretty rough i need a case

17:30:05 keonne: my phone was $200

17:30:13 jurov: orly? mahogany smartphone box?

17:30:18 nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified

17:30:26 keonne: still stands

17:30:36 truffles: 200 sounds so modest dam!

17:30:48 nubbins`: keonne: but was it subsidized?

17:30:50 keonne: nexus 5

17:30:52 keonne: no

17:30:56 *: nubbins` claps

17:30:59 keonne: unlocked off contract

17:32:12 keonne: no, subsidized phones are for poor people

17:32:28 keonne: and for people who will probably be perpetually poor

17:32:36 jurov: http://www.magazinehive.com/2013/08/iphone-4-and-iphone-4s-cases/ grep for bamboo or mahogany

17:32:36 ozbot: 40+ Beautiful iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S Cases for Your Smartphone

17:32:37 keonne: because it's a really bad deal

17:32:54 nubbins`: no doubt you've got some math to back that up

17:33:16 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/Gv2WlWv.jpg

17:33:24 fluffypony: those are the cases we have

17:33:30 fluffypony: wood is pretty

17:33:35 nubbins`: it is indeed

17:33:36 keonne: thats nice fluffypony

17:33:38 nubbins`: engraving kinda ruins it

17:33:41 truffles: ppl actually back things up with scientific data itc? pfff

17:33:42 fluffypony: nubbins`: hush

17:33:50 fluffypony: :-P

17:33:50 nubbins`: might as well put a coca-cola logo on there

17:34:09 nubbins`: truffles: who said anything about scientific? napkin scribbles would do

17:34:21 truffles: might as well not

17:34:22 truffles: imo

17:34:52 nubbins`: suppose you save $500 by getting a subsidy. at the end of your two-year contract, you own your phone

17:34:57 truffles: that baseball case looks cute

17:35:05 keonne: well lets see, $500 phone you get for $250 because you sign a 2 year contract paying ~60-80 a month. 

17:35:07 nubbins`: or you spend the extra $500, and two years later, you own your phone

17:35:15 nubbins`: what's the difference?

17:35:50 keonne: the difference is poor people shouldnt eb buying 500 dollar phones

17:36:01 truffles: yep

17:36:09 nubbins`: well, that certainly answers a different question

17:36:13 nubbins`: how about the one i asked :D

17:36:14 truffles: im gonna aim for that 200 next phone!

17:36:14 keonne: sorry i keep going in and out of cell signal

17:36:25 nubbins`: shoulda bought an iphone i guess

17:36:33 keonne: or not be on a train going into tunnels

17:36:43 nubbins`: sure

17:36:45 nubbins`: either way.

17:36:58 nubbins`: explain to me how buying the phone outright is a better deal in the long run

17:37:11 keonne: depends on the price of the phone

17:37:24 nubbins`: let's say a new iphone

17:37:33 jurov: nubbins`: depends on if you're poor :DDDDD

17:37:33 nubbins`: $700 straight-up or $200 on a two-year contract

17:37:36 keonne: how much are those?

17:37:42 keonne: ah ok

17:37:53 keonne: thats insane..... first of all

17:38:09 daybyter: got my new smartphone today.

17:38:10 keonne: how much is the contract per month?

17:38:26 daybyter: pomp w88 Euro 105,- plus shipping.

17:38:33 TomServo: nubbins`: I think it depends on how much you value being able to switch carriers on a whim.

17:38:42 nubbins`: TomServo: $0

17:38:47 keonne: i mean i havent had a contract in 3 years

17:38:55 nubbins`: keonne: well, that depends heavily on how good you are at bargaining

17:39:10 keonne: and i have unlimited 4g data in both the US and Europe

17:39:11 TomServo: nubbins`: I'm just saying, that is what makes it a "better deal" to some people.

17:39:11 nubbins`: which (sorry to ruin the surprise) was the crux of my argument

17:39:18 keonne: for £15 pay as you go a month

17:39:51 nubbins`: canada is relatively expensive for cell service

17:39:57 nubbins`: i pay, i think, $50/mo

17:40:32 keonne: its all highly situational

17:40:35 nubbins`: yep

17:40:39 keonne: i remmeber not even being able to get a sim card in canada

17:40:52 keonne: without a canadian ID

17:40:54 nubbins`: all different now, LTE nationwide

17:40:58 nubbins`: ah, without an id

17:41:03 nubbins`: not sure about that

17:41:08 keonne: in UK i go to the corner shop

17:41:20 keonne: and i can buyt as many sim cards as I want for£1 each

17:41:39 nubbins`: neat

17:41:58 nubbins`: TomServo: fair enough, but worth an extra $500?

17:42:05 daybyter: any android coders here, who also do java?

17:42:10 nubbins`: ostensibly you're changing providers to get a better rate

17:42:38 nubbins`: to make it worth $500, you'd need to save ~$21/mo by switching providers

17:43:00 nubbins`: it could be argued that you just picked the wrong provider to start with

17:43:09 keonne: daybyter: not being snarky but dont all android devs have to know java? i thought that was part of the deal.

17:43:24 fluffypony: keonne: I was about to say the same thing

17:43:25 daybyter: I mean android and desktop-java.

17:43:26 fluffypony: say/ask

17:43:29 fluffypony: ah ok

17:43:46 daybyter: I have a lib that should run on desktop and android.

17:44:04 daybyter: no I wonder how to compile it best.

17:44:16 daybyter: add android.jar to the required libs?

17:44:25 daybyter: use conditional compiling?

17:44:28 nubbins`: ^

17:45:00 bounce: write it for z-machine

17:45:51 daybyter: I used antenna back in the days of j2me projects.

17:46:44 nubbins`: i googled everything back in the days of writing code ;D

17:46:53 nubbins`: why reinvent the wheel!

17:47:21 daybyter: google had no good solution available?

17:47:41 daybyter: maybe I'm just the first one who had this idea? :-)

17:47:44 nubbins`: if we were fencing, i'd say touche

17:49:06 keonne: bloody tunnels

17:49:31 truffles: is that code for sex?

17:49:36 nubbins`: HEH.

17:49:45 keonne: haha

17:49:48 fluffypony: yay! sex!

17:49:51 nubbins`: i want to enter your bloody tunnel

17:50:05 nubbins`: i should try this on my wife when she gets home

17:50:19 truffles: she likes red so go for it

17:50:22 keonne: let us know how that goes

17:50:52 nubbins`: my money is on a chuckle

17:52:15 keonne: gents i am off

17:52:25 keonne: as always its been a pleasure

17:52:32 daybyter: cul!

17:55:50 nubbins`: ;;ticker

17:56:07 nubbins`: oddly, no suicide hotline phone number on reddit

17:56:47 keonne: http://fraudsters.com/2014/filantropica/ god damn, this is a good article. I really want to see this movie even more now.

17:56:48 ozbot: Filantropica pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

17:59:52 fluffypony: keonne: you said you were off!

18:00:13 keonne: i know

18:00:17 keonne: train is a bit delayed

18:00:20 fluffypony: ah ok

18:00:43 daybyter: keonne: you're an android coder?

18:00:51 keonne: not at all daybyter

18:01:08 daybyter: you're an android designer?

18:01:19 keonne: The only coding I do is a very hobbyist hack job at python

18:01:38 keonne: im a designer in general, focusing on UI, and I do a lot of android apps

18:01:38 daybyter: oh...ok...

18:01:51 nubbins`: it'll be 14 months on sunday since i gave up programming

18:01:55 daybyter: hmmh...that sounds interesting!

18:02:12 daybyter: I want to create an android app and look for help with the UI.

18:02:20 keonne: current i am redoing the blockchain android wallet, which is why i as asking earlier if anyone used it

18:02:38 daybyter: interested in a trading app?

18:02:41 fluffypony: nubbins`: how are you handling it?

18:02:48 keonne: and if they wanted to bitch at me their least favourite things

18:03:09 keonne: nubbins`: congrats :)

18:03:17 nubbins`: fluffypony, never been happier

18:03:27 mike_c: eulorum is dead. long live eulorum.

18:03:33 nubbins`: woo

18:03:36 mike_c: new server, new install

18:03:39 mike_c: copied shit over

18:03:41 *: nubbins` high fives mike

18:03:47 daybyter: I write java trading code.

18:03:52 mike_c: nubbins, i copied over your password hash so you should be able to login

18:03:57 daybyter: and currently port some stuff to android.

18:04:03 nubbins`: i was briefly excited when i saw the "recent changes" page until i took a closer look :D

18:04:04 nubbins`: tyvm

18:04:17 nubbins`: keonne: thanks :D

18:04:21 daybyter: looking for someone to make a pretty app.

18:05:05 benkay`: what's your budget?

18:05:13 benkay`: daybyter: what's your budget?

18:05:32 daybyter: I thought about a collab.

18:05:53 daybyter: maybe share the profit, if the app could be sold.

18:06:16 keonne: daybyter: sorry man, i really dont have the time

18:06:23 benkay`: what's the app?

18:06:28 keonne: plus you would hate working with me

18:06:38 daybyter: tradebot

18:06:54 daybyter: maybe manual trading, but I wanted to start as simple as possible.

18:07:13 benkay`: and you don't have the budget to pay for its production?

18:07:14 daybyter: I already got most of the stuff running on desktop.

18:07:20 keonne: i'm incredibly anal when it comes to design, and more engineers go crazy working with me

18:07:24 keonne: plus im expensive

18:07:45 daybyter: http://i.imgur.com/MqHfF.jpg

18:08:07 daybyter: http://i.imgur.com/xpqoqnk.png

18:08:07 mircea_popescu: dignork i know i know, jus' being an hardass spuriously.

18:08:24 daybyter: but I want to use a strategy that is a lot more simple.

18:09:08 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves dvsdude benkay` what the shit, letterman was supposed to be a comic neh ? colbert is now funny ?

18:09:35 benkay`: colbert's never been funny.

18:10:22 daybyter: benkay`: mail me, if you are interested.

18:10:58 daybyter: my mail is in almost all my sources: https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib

18:11:46 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

18:13:51 keonne: ok now im leaving for real

18:14:05 daybyter: cu!

18:15:13 nubbins`: heh

18:15:23 nubbins`: educating -otc on the perils of referring to cash-in-mail as CIM

18:15:27 benkay`: daybyter: not really interested.

18:15:49 daybyter: ok.

18:15:55 daybyter: thanks for your answer.

18:16:06 truff1es: awww

18:16:23 nubbins`: "willing to do CIM" etc

18:16:24 nubbins`: my sides

18:17:00 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah it wasn't working b4 was it ?

18:17:39 mike_c: it was basically under assault from spam bots

18:18:02 mike_c: i didn't realize what a honeypot mediawiki is.

18:18:05 nubbins`: lots of pages about buying discount shoes

18:18:24 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what perils be those ?

18:18:33 mike_c: but the new cat photos captcha should prevent that.

18:18:42 nubbins`: mircea_popescu basically just drawing snickers from dirtbags like me

18:18:44 nubbins`: ;;ud cim

18:18:45 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: cim

18:18:54 mircea_popescu: oh oh

18:19:10 nubbins`: oddly, nobody looking for just COF

18:19:22 mircea_popescu: cash on forehead ?

18:19:28 nubbins`: ;;ud cof

18:19:29 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: C.O.F.

18:19:31 nubbins`: close enough ;D

18:19:51 benkay`: coin on, fellow.

18:19:55 nubbins`: heh

18:22:13 mircea_popescu: http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Apr2013/61303332.jpg

18:22:34 mircea_popescu: is bbbj like a blowjob with three girls ?

18:23:52 mircea_popescu: http://media.realitatea.ro/multimedia/image/201310/w728/taranul_83111800.jpg << cash on forehead. fo reals.

18:23:55 truff1es: why wouldnt u think doods

18:24:41 mircea_popescu: http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Jan2013/61251270.jpg

18:28:01 benkay`: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/28/article-1315776-0B612CFF000005DC-268_468x519.jpg

18:28:10 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

18:28:27 benkay`: 450 -> 398

18:28:31 mircea_popescu: srsly

18:28:44 benkay`: "why is it crashing?"

18:28:56 mircea_popescu: "because the exchanges are less and less relevant" ?

18:29:22 asciilifeform: we might be witnessing a bifurcation a la 'bezzle dollar'

18:29:42 asciilifeform: (or this happened ages ago, and i'm just the last one to notice)

18:29:56 mircea_popescu: they've painted themselves in a corner, basically. if all you wanna do is buy 20 bucks wortha btc to "have some", no way in fuck do you go through all the caudine forkland of "send us a pic with you holding a seal". odds are you don't even have a phone.

18:29:56 benkay`: there is a bit of a discount for magical bitcoins

18:30:15 mircea_popescu: if you want 20k worth of btc, no fucking way you'll take that level of service. just find an escort that does COF CIM and BTC

18:30:25 fluffypony: CIM

18:30:30 mircea_popescu: so i guess the scammers get a whole new market now.

18:30:30 fluffypony: :-P

18:30:31 asciilifeform: at this point, even the most threadbare engineer is probably just buying coin from his coworkers

18:30:52 fluffypony: I have a lot of people I know that prefer to buy from me instead of buying on the local exchange

18:30:58 fluffypony: even though I keep telling them to

18:31:04 fluffypony: because it's annoying

18:31:05 mircea_popescu: fuck the local exchange.

18:31:12 mircea_popescu: the future belongs to otc trades of btc.

18:31:33 mircea_popescu: the various fiat jurisdictions had ~5 years to get their shit together and suck our cock enough to acquire this revenue stream.

18:31:34 mircea_popescu: they have failed.

18:31:35 asciilifeform: wonder at what point exchanges will survive primarily on payola from whoever they are stoolies for, rather than commissions

18:31:41 mircea_popescu: no btc/fiat exchangesd for them. herp.

18:31:50 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we have a community here of < 500 people actively interested in Bitcoin, not just peripherally

18:31:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at the point of 2014.

18:31:55 mircea_popescu: fluffypony cool.

18:32:04 fluffypony: it's tiny

18:32:12 mircea_popescu: depends who they are.

18:32:20 fluffypony: true

18:32:21 mircea_popescu: 500 is too many for spartans.

18:32:31 taub: https://www.dropbox.com/s/z73tt8mgr6tndzy/FooledByRandomness.pdf cool book i'm reading right now

18:32:49 fluffypony: unfortunately the majority of them are kinda-nerdy-oh-look-here-I-can-get-rich

18:33:07 dignork: mircea_popescu, you said before that bitcoin-otc is irrelevant

18:33:16 truff1es: $$$$

18:33:27 fluffypony: dollah dollah billz, ya'll

18:33:42 bounce: otc is fun and fluffy and lovable and full of scammers

18:33:44 truff1es: ppl can change their minds

18:34:55 mircea_popescu: dignork otc as a concept. "over the counter"

18:35:06 mircea_popescu: as opposed to "in an 'organised' ie regulated market"

18:35:50 dignork: mircea_popescu, sure, but so far bitcoin-otc based on WOT is the closest to OTC that I've seen so far

18:35:52 mircea_popescu: bitcoin-otc was last i checked run mostly by dorks, and so consequently populated mostly by dorks

18:36:30 fluffypony: hah hah - this was posted re: the < $400 slump: http://i.imgur.com/2bVRHRX.jpg

18:36:49 mircea_popescu: dignork i dunno, imo all of irc and a lot more is otc in this sense.

18:37:42 mircea_popescu: fluffypony sure, except we've seen it three times already : the people who are butthurt during upswings because they were left out still don't buy during downswings because now it's more like "Haha! it's dead!"

18:38:00 mircea_popescu: mental issuez

18:38:03 fluffypony: that is VERY true

18:38:16 fluffypony: every time it's tanked I've bought on the downswing

18:38:51 mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#c2762

18:38:53 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June

18:38:54 mircea_popescu: this is a sad puppy

18:39:14 fluffypony: what is annoying is when the media talks about Bitcoin's "surprising resiliance despite being declared dead"

18:39:15 fluffypony: like wtf

18:39:26 fluffypony: just because someone says its dead doesn't automagically make it so

18:39:42 benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62

18:39:44 ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June

18:39:59 benkay: they imagine their imagination matters, fluffypony .

18:40:01 mjr_: what up everyone

18:40:06 benkay: oh look who it is

18:40:09 mjr_: hahaha

18:40:11 benkay: mr constantly dropping connections

18:40:16 mjr_: i know :(

18:40:24 benkay: still going to burning man with the shreminal?

18:40:29 mjr_: not sure...

18:40:37 benkay: 2 things i'm bummed about missing this year

18:40:38 mircea_popescu: fluffypony well yeah, it's sort-of like putin's surprising resilience in spite of being declared crazy.

18:40:41 mjr_: i was supposed to go hang out with him while i was in nyc

18:40:42 benkay: bm and mp

18:40:53 mircea_popescu: teh media has serious issues coming to some sort of representation of its own irrelevance.

18:41:02 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: or Robert Mugabe's surprising resilience despite him probably being dead

18:41:06 mjr_: am I safe in assuming that everyone here thinks trying to change the bitcoin symbol is stupid and a waste of time?

18:41:07 mircea_popescu: mjr_ dude wtf was with all those parts.

18:41:27 mjr_: when was that? I'm not sure if my laptop was even open...

18:41:28 kakobrekla: mircea_popescu ocd

18:41:37 benkay: i advocate we abandon the btc symbol all together and just use a capital b

18:41:40 benkay: 200B

18:41:42 mjr_: what up kakobrekla

18:41:47 kakobrekla: heya

18:41:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2014#609470

18:42:03 mjr_: basically i think i slam dunked the argument against symbol change

18:42:03 ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log

18:42:03 mircea_popescu: mjr_ ^

18:42:31 mjr_: phones can currently type the bitcoin symbol...i don't even know how you would convince apple or motorola to add a keyboard

18:42:40 mjr_: or what keyboard it should be under

18:42:58 mircea_popescu: benkay i never used no dumbass symbol.

18:42:58 kakobrekla: you comming to ro or what?

18:43:01 benkay: bitcoin advocacy, mjr_ ?

18:43:12 mjr_: but the amount of changes that using the proposed symbol would cost dwarf any benefit

18:43:21 benkay: no symbol.

18:43:27 fluffypony: benkay: what about a backwards Euro symbol, then it looks kinda like a monkey butt

18:43:29 mjr_: i have to try and get people to shut the fuck up and open their eyes and see how the world works

18:43:38 benkay: no man it's a waste of time

18:43:42 benkay: fuck retards get paper

18:43:45 mjr_: good point

18:44:02 mircea_popescu: how about we just use $

18:44:08 mircea_popescu: not like the usd will survive anyway.

18:44:20 bounce: and let people think it's the new USD?

18:44:23 mircea_popescu: and afair they stole it off the mexicans on the same grounds.

18:44:42 bounce: USB, the new USD

18:44:45 benkay: too early

18:44:46 mjr_: well...there are 30 other countries using $

18:44:51 mjr_: many more using "dollar"

18:44:53 mircea_popescu: bounce no moar like BD, the new USD

18:45:10 mircea_popescu: mjr_ exactly. argentina prices everything in "dollars", there's 3 of them

18:45:12 mircea_popescu: at least.

18:45:33 mjr_: which was my point...zeroblock told me on twitter "amateur hour is over"...i was like so canada, australia, mexico, etc are still in amateur hour...

18:45:48 mjr_: in the real world, symbols are mapped onto many currencies

18:45:54 mircea_popescu: who is zeroblock and what makes him think he can talk about amateur hour lol

18:45:58 mjr_: hahahaha

18:46:17 mircea_popescu: mp, lord of the fundamental questions.

18:46:21 mjr_: just part of the group of people who think that they understand the standards committees and how the real world works

18:46:26 mjr_: similar to the whole "XBT" thing

18:46:42 mjr_: which is the same issue...you don't pick a name and then ISO standardizes

18:46:51 mircea_popescu: we should have a drama department

18:46:52 mjr_: ISO will tell you what the official name is, and then you adopt it

18:46:54 mircea_popescu: like every highschool.

18:46:56 mjr_: yep

18:47:06 mircea_popescu: then the fat chicks can go and pretend like they're acting there after school

18:47:11 mjr_: its good to be chatting, and btw, it is very fun seeing people talk about you when you are not htere

18:47:18 mjr_: its nice

18:47:24 mjr_: to see yourself in the mirror

18:47:27 mircea_popescu: well they were talking about how much you piss them off

18:47:29 mjr_: and I think I will start blogging more

18:47:31 mjr_: hehehe

18:47:41 mjr_: maybe i didn't read that far down

18:47:52 mjr_: why not just ignore me?

18:48:07 benkay: ey lookit what princessnell's been up to: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2423461

18:48:12 mjr_: as in the IRC command, not attention wise

18:48:24 mircea_popescu: not sure.

18:48:40 mircea_popescu: benkay chick writing a paper about us ?!

18:49:19 benkay: oh indeed.

18:49:36 benkay: oh it's great

18:49:47 mircea_popescu: pastebin that shit

18:49:48 mircea_popescu: ssrn bs

18:49:51 bounce: "why not just ignore all the spam in your inbox?" "why not just ignore that DDoS coming in?" -- such sensible questions.

18:50:00 mircea_popescu: bounce he's new.

18:50:11 benkay: it has footnotes and stuff that won't survive so well

18:50:17 bounce: shh. lemme admire the sensibility a bit more.

18:50:31 benkay: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID2423461_code510873.pdf?abstractid=2423461&mirid=1

18:50:31 mircea_popescu: kk

18:50:32 ozbot: Bitcoin Financial Regulation: Securities, Derivatives, Prediction Markets, & Gambling by Jerry Brit

18:51:13 fluffypony: also known as BFR:SDPMG

18:51:19 fluffypony: bJB

18:51:29 bounce: SSRN, wasn't that a class of antidepressants?

18:52:11 akstunt600: Maybe bitcoin really needs to get cracked down on for it to thrive the way we want

18:52:31 akstunt600: the gen y kids the ones that need the most arent even using it yet really

18:52:46 akstunt600: bounce, tHAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT

18:52:50 akstunt600: oops caps

18:53:24 danielpbarron: bitcoin doesn't get "cracked down on;" it does the cracking

18:53:27 mircea_popescu: bounce nah a social studies bs

18:53:33 akstunt600: hhahaha

18:53:44 mircea_popescu: akstunt600 an' who might you be ?

18:54:06 bounce: "wordy stuff that makes you need antidepressants", right ho.

18:54:15 akstunt600: Just a fellow bitcoin persons

18:57:10 benkay: Accordingly, to the extent a contract delivers bitcoins at a date after the sale

18:57:10 benkay: (and not their cash equivalent), and is being used by a party to manage price

18:57:10 benkay: risk, it would likely be considered a forward and be excluded from the

18:57:13 benkay: CEA.

18:57:22 benkay: bold claim.

18:57:47 fluffypony: I don't see any <em> tags?

18:57:50 benkay: i'd like to meet the person who's willing to test that 'likely' in the states, or finance the establishment of caselaw.

18:59:35 benkay: options on pg 20

19:00:29 mircea_popescu: ;;google pg 20

19:02:50 benkay: "bitcoinica valued expediency and experimentation over postponement and risk-aversion"

19:03:05 benkay: gotta read more of this later

19:03:08 benkay: vms need hacking

19:03:20 mircea_popescu: oh really ? and i thought it simply valued pretense and pretending over competence or obeying your betters.

19:03:36 mircea_popescu: poor phantomcircuit still imagines his brain works, i wager.

19:04:56 fluffypony: the red wedding: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/world/Nigerian+child+bride+forced+into+marriage+poisons+meal/9723504/story.html

19:06:00 mircea_popescu: pretty cool.

19:06:26 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/eyl9jeF.jpg

19:07:42 fluffypony: lol

19:08:21 goonsamchi: best to have diverse opinions, instead of a nation of sheep all taking the scientists' word for it, never considering the possibility that someone could be wrong

19:09:23 chetty: most people are wrong,most of the time

19:09:29 mircea_popescu: goonsamchi it's not a good idea to have "opinions" on matters you have not the authority to have opinions on.

19:10:01 *: bounce mentions david nutt

19:10:04 mircea_popescu: last thing we need is every fuckwit social sciences major having opinions about how silicon valley start-ups should be run and so forth

19:10:26 goonsamchi: http://www.ctvnews.ca/why-medical-science-often-gets-it-wrong-1.744502

19:10:26 ozbot: Why medical studies often go wrong | CTV News

19:11:00 goonsamchi: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/308269/?single_page=true

19:11:08 ozbot: Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science - David H. Freedman - The Atlantic

19:11:27 mircea_popescu: sooo ?

19:11:51 fluffypony: goonsamchi: so you'd prefer they take their medical advice from a TV personality?

19:12:36 goonsamchi: no, i think people should be allowed to control their own lives

19:12:47 goonsamchi: i believe in individual liberty and the right for people to be wrong

19:12:57 goonsamchi: http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21588069-scientific-research-has-changed-world-now-it-needs-change-itself-how-science-goes-wrong

19:13:32 mircea_popescu: goonsamchi there's a difference between controlling your own life and having opinions tho.

19:13:44 goonsamchi: yes, and people should have both

19:13:49 mircea_popescu: nobody is disputing the woman's right to be as fucking wrong as she possibly can get away with.

19:13:55 truff1es: prob diff in murrca than rest of world

19:14:09 mircea_popescu: but i am outright denying her the right to air dumbassery under the guise that "she's entitled to an opinion"

19:14:10 mircea_popescu: she is not.

19:14:21 goonsamchi: not allowing people to be incorrect just leads to a monoculture of sheep who all think the same. even if they're right, there's still a lack of diversity

19:14:33 mircea_popescu: now how do you know that ?

19:14:42 truff1es: thats what this room would become haha

19:14:51 mircea_popescu: seems to me allowing fuckwits to have "opinions" has turned the us of a into a monoculture of sheep who all think the same.

19:15:05 mircea_popescu: had these same fuckwits been beaten to shit for daring to open their mouths when their teachers were speaking,

19:15:16 mircea_popescu: we'd perhaps have had something like 58 goethes coming out of there, this year alone.

19:15:17 truff1es: 0.0

19:15:44 mircea_popescu: at least if historical data is anything to go by.

19:15:55 fluffypony: goonsamchi: where do you draw the line? if a wildly popular personality says that everyone should kill themselves, and then a bunch of people do, should the person who expressed their "opinion" be entitled to it?

19:16:01 truff1es: beat some sense into them, thats it!

19:16:05 mircea_popescu: fluffypony definitely.

19:16:26 mircea_popescu: whoa this is going to be a good argument, i disagree with everyone.

19:16:26 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: population control?

19:16:29 fluffypony: :-P

19:16:35 fluffypony: meh

19:16:37 goonsamchi: you should be allowed to do anything you want unless it directly infringes on the rights of others.

19:16:40 mircea_popescu: no, but the discussion is metaphisics, and being listened to qualifies him to speak./

19:16:56 mircea_popescu: goonsamchi so your eating infringes on the rights of others, stop eating.

19:17:01 chetty: well there is a difference between having an opinon, and expressing it

19:17:02 goonsamchi: it does not.

19:17:07 mircea_popescu: how convenient.

19:17:34 mircea_popescu: of course it does. fucking world is constructed so your existence is built out of the death of your siblings.

19:17:38 mircea_popescu: thats how things work.

19:17:48 fluffypony: goonsamchi: there are starving people in Africa that would disagree

19:18:08 mircea_popescu: this is nothing less than the point of existence : for you to drive lesser versions out of existence, or for them to drive oyu.

19:18:54 goonsamchi: lol. my not eating would not affect the people in africa

19:19:02 mircea_popescu: how convenient #2.

19:19:10 benkay: mircea_popescu: the teachers'd need to be worth attending to.

19:19:17 mircea_popescu: benkay sure.

19:19:29 mircea_popescu: benkay im sure all of goethe's teachers were all supercool and worthy dudes.

19:19:43 mircea_popescu: not according to him, but what the fuck does he know.

19:19:52 chetty: you would listen to a 'teacher' that wasn't worth it?

19:20:10 mircea_popescu: problem is how the fuck would you distinguish.

19:20:23 mircea_popescu: idiots on the forum also think they know better. the reason they think so is because they don't know what they don't know

19:20:29 mircea_popescu: and on the basis of what they know, aka 0, they're right.

19:20:43 chetty: the best ones are the scariest!

19:21:22 fluffypony: but you can't even quantify "stuff you don't know"

19:21:25 truff1es: goonsamchi u make good points, id like to read more ur views on this

19:21:27 mircea_popescu: exactly.

19:21:37 chetty: if it hurts, you are learning something

19:21:40 truff1es: just wait til the sillyness washes away

19:22:03 thestringpuller: chetty if you start doing things right and realize you were once wrong you are also learning things :)

19:22:36 chetty: thestringpuller, and that hurts too

19:22:42 thestringpuller: most people seem to do things wrong, get told so, ignor as MP points out, then they run head first into concrete and complain about how they have brain damage

19:23:10 truff1es: told by whom?

19:23:26 fluffypony: although making mistakes *and learning from them* should be encouraged, no?

19:23:37 thestringpuller: you shouldn't make mistakes with other peoples money

19:23:40 thestringpuller: fucking use testnet

19:24:11 fluffypony: oh I agree with that

19:24:15 fluffypony: I was talking in generalisations

19:24:17 thestringpuller: no experimenting wiht production services, fucking get managers and shit. perhaps it's about time for another tally of the BTC losses due to scams and icompetence

19:24:17 chetty: fluffypony, that is I think, the definition of learning

19:25:18 mircea_popescu: fluffypony making mistakes should be encouraged in a narrow field : that where we don't know what the mistakes are. in the fields where we already know, they should not be.

19:25:19 chetty: bitcoins don't get lost (mostly) just transfered

19:25:33 mircea_popescu: such as, putting your hand in the flame may in principle do all sorts of cool things, like charge your phone battery

19:25:40 fluffypony: lol

19:25:41 mircea_popescu: but it won't. so don't learn from fucking experience.

19:25:47 fluffypony: yeah I use the "stove is hot" analogy often

19:25:55 fluffypony: but you end up with a burnt hand afterwards

19:26:29 truff1es: if u were tough enough it wouldnt matter!

19:26:51 mircea_popescu: <truff1es> just wait til the sillyness washes away << funny how on the spot this guy is. since forever the strategy of the mentally defective has been, just wait until the cool people get exhausted, and try to rebuild socialism then!

19:27:25 truff1es: says the person who wants to beat people to submission

19:27:27 mircea_popescu: the epic resilience of stupidity.

19:34:35 fluffypony: I think testnet is an under-utilised feature

19:34:46 robwhiz22: Good evening.

19:35:06 mircea_popescu: http://rt.com/usa/nevada-ranch-armed-feds-520/

19:35:12 mircea_popescu: the usg moving into cattle rustling

19:35:36 robwhiz22: Hi, mircea_popescu

19:35:47 chetty: shades of Waco??

19:37:13 robwhiz22: You kind of disappeared the other day. I'm hoping you had a chance to read what I'd written you earlier. If so could you tell me a decision please?

19:38:03 robwhiz22: If you need any more information, feel free to ask.

19:41:00 fluffypony: robwhiz22: you never emailed me:(

19:41:04 *: fluffypony feels left out

19:42:25 TomServo: robwhiz22: You're the "I can fix the Cardano" guy right?

19:42:59 fluffypony: TomServo: yes

19:43:03 asciilifeform: 'fix' in the 'veterinary' sense of the word.

19:43:17 fluffypony: for the low, low price of 10 BTC

19:43:17 fluffypony: monthly

19:43:19 fluffypony: with interest

19:43:20 TomServo: Sorry, I should've also put fix in quotes.

19:49:14 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/

19:49:15 ozbot: Anonymous derpage pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:52:04 *: bounce spots a developing tvtropes addiction

19:52:17 mircea_popescu: bounce no cause i was addicted muchly afore.

19:52:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gum chewing definition of ?acultural? << term 'nekulturny' actually pops up in english texts on occasion. because it applies.

19:52:54 mircea_popescu: wow it does huh

19:53:02 jurov: really?

19:53:02 mircea_popescu: ty, adding to my bag.

19:53:10 mircea_popescu: i'd never have guessed.

19:53:35 jurov: ;;ud nekulturny

19:53:36 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: nekulturny

19:53:46 Apocalyptic: sounds like a slovak word

19:54:05 asciilifeform: probably exists in all slavic languages

19:54:26 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

19:54:39 fluffypony: holy shit

19:54:40 jurov: from my cursory research it looks it's much more insulting in russian

19:54:41 fluffypony: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/americas-overtake-africa-most-murders

19:54:41 ozbot: Americas overtake Africa as region with most murders | World news | theguardian.com

19:54:49 asciilifeform: basic soviet meaning, a fellow who's had no truck with human cultural achievements - literature, physics, philosophy, whatever

19:54:55 fluffypony: we're not so bad here!

19:54:57 fluffypony: yay

19:55:03 asciilifeform: but also for folks with no manners

19:55:19 Apocalyptic: ^ that's the meaning that comes to mind first to me

19:55:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "a particular flavour of inhumanity"

19:55:26 asciilifeform: read 'savage brute'

19:55:49 mircea_popescu: fluffypony is that raw total or per capita ?

19:56:00 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: looks like it's per capita

19:56:23 fluffypony: they do it on a "murders per 100k people" basis

19:56:25 asciilifeform: in some places, savage brute is someone who picks his nose - in others, one who never heard of differential equations.

19:56:28 asciilifeform: all depends on context.

19:58:15 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu ...

19:58:38 mircea_popescu: fluffypony wow.

19:59:05 bounce: the student club had a rule that you couldn't actually lie. ie answers must be truthful. but you could refuse to answer on grounds of the question being too direct. add in some rules that made buying the entire bar population beers both very easy to do and hard to figure out for the barman... well, it's a student club, whaddaya expect?

19:59:30 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, I was quite surprised, the ex-pats have beaten the "murder rate in South Africa is the highest in the world" speech into everyone's heads we're starting to believe it ourselves

20:01:40 mircea_popescu: fluffypony but wait, you meant all of africa vs north, south and central america ?

20:01:58 bounce: compared to the conspiring, deceit, backstabbing, betrayal, "white" lieing, bald faced lieing, and all that, happening among the most cultured of any population, traditionally the aristocrats and like court dwellers, that's outright friendly and truthful.

20:02:18 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm talking specifically about South Africa - our murder rate is mentioned in the article, ~30 per 100k vs Honduras at ~90 per 100k

20:02:29 mircea_popescu: bounce aristocrats and courtiers don't map.

20:02:34 fluffypony: s/30/31

20:02:40 mircea_popescu: it's like saying smart people and web developers.

20:02:53 mircea_popescu: fluffypony what if you only count white people ?

20:03:01 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: significantly lower

20:03:12 mircea_popescu: well then okay.

20:03:13 twizt: lol

20:03:22 mircea_popescu: i had bought the same arguments, omg sa is terrible.

20:03:32 fluffypony: we're a small part of the population (relatively), and a lot of the murders are gang related

20:03:40 fluffypony: for eg. Cape Town now has a higher murder rate than Johannesburg

20:03:54 fluffypony: but something ridiculous like 80% of the murders occur in Lavender Hill

20:04:04 fluffypony: which is gang warfare territory in the Cape Flats

20:04:08 fluffypony: that even policeman don't go into

20:04:10 fluffypony: much less white people

20:04:16 mircea_popescu: aha

20:04:29 bounce: not true. any high concentration of power without proper management tends to bring lots of little kingdoms, warring each other. I'm told the pettiest squabbles can be found in academia.

20:04:48 mircea_popescu: bounce wait, what specifically isn't true ?

20:05:13 fluffypony: bounce: are we still talking about murder rates?

20:05:13 bounce: well, what did you mean with "don't map"?

20:05:25 mircea_popescu: lots of little kingdoms don't necessarily war each other, and moreover the wars of little kingdoms are not at all like the wars of national-socialist statal machines,

20:05:38 mircea_popescu: the sort that opposed the french and the germans, or the germans and the russians, or the french and the russians

20:05:59 mircea_popescu: bounce i meant aristocrats and courtiers are two mostly distinct things.

20:06:33 mircea_popescu: in general one can't be both. whenever aristocrats were forced to be courtiers historically, they lost their aristocracy, and the state collapsed

20:06:42 mircea_popescu: (seen both in china and in france, quite identical)

20:06:43 bounce: both are at the top of the societal pile, if in slightly different senses.

20:06:53 mircea_popescu: this does not make much of a similarity.

20:07:04 mircea_popescu: the top of a cake and the top of an oil tank aren't similar on grounds of topness.

20:07:16 bounce: but the cake is a lie.

20:07:49 bounce: anyhow, I'll gladly concede this since my interest is in a different point.

20:08:06 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I am not available for chatting much longer tonight.

20:08:32 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, did you 1) find my proposal among your emails now? 2) do you have an answer? I submitted it with the request that you review and answer within three business days, which I thought was reasonable.

20:08:55 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust robwhiz22

20:08:55 asciilifeform: robwhiz22 is 'elusive joe'

20:08:58 mircea_popescu: well... which point ?

20:09:10 asciilifeform: 'The "Elusive Joe" (Russian: Неуловимый Джо) has become an ironic nickname in Russia for various difficult-to-find persons (not necessarily unimportant ones). It is suggested that the nickname and the joke originated from a 1923 satirical novel An Elusive Enemy. American Novel by Mikhail Kozyrev (ru:Козырев, Михаил Яковлевич) which contained a funny song about a Joe who was e

20:09:10 asciilifeform: lusive because no one needed him.'

20:09:27 thestringpuller: lolololololololol

20:09:42 mircea_popescu: course it's more like elusive djo in russian

20:09:46 bounce: dose roossians

20:09:48 asciilifeform: naturally

20:10:02 asciilifeform: i used to think that 'elusive joe' is an american expression

20:10:13 mircea_popescu: haha

20:10:24 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, the whole proposal - I can email again if you have trouble fining the previous emails. There 2 I think, of which you answered the second one inviting me here, and one follow-up one.

20:10:32 mircea_popescu: i do't think american expressions are allowed to contain words such as elusive

20:10:33 asciilifeform: basic idea, desperado who isn't wanted for anything but thinks he's 'hot on the run'

20:11:07 bounce: robwhiz22: the best way for you to stop running around in circles is stop running around in circles. drop the text in a pastebin and share. you have permission to do this already.

20:11:10 fluffypony: robwhiz22: I think you're on /ignore, he was talking to bounce

20:11:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romanian canonical equivalent is "tu crezi ca te cauta militia pe messenger". ie, you think the militsya is pursuing you through im.

20:11:58 mircea_popescu: (joke beingthat the militsya was an obsolete institution, and famously the people it employed could not write)

20:12:30 robwhiz22: fluffypony, I doubt I am on ignore. He began to answer me but had to go. The other day, I had to leave earlier.

20:12:48 mircea_popescu: coined by a blogger, in this post : http://www.jeg.ro/dupa-monitoru-gri-stam-noi-anonimitatea/

20:12:50 bounce: .oO( certainly argumentative )

20:15:23 bounce: re reinventing the wheel, wasn't there a medico recently that got a paper published essentially reinventing calculus (and naming it after himself, naturally)?

20:16:32 asciilifeform: bounce: well there was (still is...) a wealthy american crackpot who claimed cellular automata as his invention, suing anyone who publicly disagreed

20:16:43 asciilifeform: ;;google wolfram batshit insanity

20:17:04 asciilifeform: but that was a while ago.

20:18:12 asciilifeform: to my great shame, i (well, my research group, at my request) bought his software once.

20:19:22 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I've just clicked 'forward all' and reforwarded you my proposal and follow-up email. Please check the mail and I would very much appreciate a response. I feel I've given adequate time for your consideration.

20:24:08 mircea_popescu: the whole thing sounds like tom sawyer's aunt.

20:24:43 mircea_popescu: also http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html doesn't exist

20:24:54 bounce: https://web.archive.org/web/20100322205031/http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram

20:24:55 ozbot: Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science

20:25:22 mircea_popescu: also, google does not return the wayback machine for a "web history" query.

20:25:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, they return all the wikipedia pages possible.

20:25:42 mircea_popescu: must be cool to run a search engine that consists of promoting your friends.

20:26:12 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu - ?

20:27:08 bounce: could (also) be self-selecting, of course. archive.org might wlel be.

20:27:14 bounce: s/wlel/well/

20:27:17 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

20:32:23 bounce: 9th paragraph, unkindly said, "applying the new jersey approach to the universe"

20:33:40 mircea_popescu: "My teacher, more patient than I would be with adolescent arrogance, gently informed me that it was a standard technique, in any book on linear algebra, called "reduction to Jordan normal form", after the man who discovered it in the 1800s. "

20:34:02 mircea_popescu: i want this entered into the record of proof for the importance of beating schoolchildren.

20:34:18 mircea_popescu: kids that have no experience with beatings have no conceivable incentive to abandon the notion they invented jordan normal form.

20:35:04 jurov: bah, even these who do

20:35:04 fluffypony: robwhiz22: why don't you just put the docs online for all to see/download? Or PasteBin it? You've been given permission to do so, after all.

20:35:26 bounce: nothing said the writer got beaten nor he didn't abandon the notion he wasn't the first when told

20:36:04 bounce: pretty cool he found it out himself, even if it turned out later he wasn't the first.

20:36:11 mircea_popescu: bounce sure, pretty cool.

20:38:18 BCB: http://vid.ly/7h6w6m <-- dev panel from PrincetonBTC

20:38:19 ozbot: vid.ly/7h6w6m

20:38:35 robwhiz22: fluffypony, I wouldn't need permission.

20:39:24 fluffypony: dun dun dun DUN

20:39:53 robwhiz22: fluffypony, more importantly, it's not like I did the entire project on spec (Google 'on spec' or 'spec work').

20:39:54 mircea_popescu: "Martin-L?f showed, again roughly speaking, that complex objects will pass many high-reliability tests for randomness, and conversely objects which pass randomness tests must have high algorithmic complexity."

20:39:58 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what nonsense is this ;/

20:40:30 asciilifeform: not familiar with the 'complex objects' in question.

20:40:33 jurov: s/complex/shiny/

20:40:38 jurov: :D

20:41:02 bounce: go on, polish xkcd's "4" some more, why don't you? :)

20:41:51 mircea_popescu: me either, but as described it's scandalous.

20:42:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he was probably speaking of greg chaitin's entropy.

20:42:31 mircea_popescu: the guy does declare he's trained as a phys, so i guess rank cluelessness about math may be excused

20:42:40 mircea_popescu: no he's talking of Kolmogorov

20:42:48 robwhiz22: :)

20:42:52 robwhiz22: I wrote "mircea_popescu, for what you're discussing now you should look at kolmogorov complexity."

20:43:00 BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: If you thing your solicitation reveals flaws, public disclosure is the responsible thing to do

20:43:03 robwhiz22: but I didn't submit as I didn't want to become your consultant on here for free. :)

20:44:07 robwhiz22: And more to the point I don't really know the application. It's, quote-unquote "out of scope"

20:44:37 fluffypony: quote-unquie

20:44:41 fluffypony: *unquite

20:44:45 *: fluffypony needs more wine

20:45:49 asciilifeform: ok, for everyone who didn't catch it the first time i posted it,

20:45:50 asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/mBLdFHzt

20:45:50 ozbot: derp_more.txt - Pastebin.com

20:46:21 asciilifeform: no one can say i wasn't patient.

20:46:39 BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: If you dunno they application how can you be competent to critique it?

20:47:17 asciilifeform: i'd also like to add, for the edification of future spammers, that blatant sockmuppetry (switching handles every week) does not add credibility.

20:48:35 robwhiz22: BingoBoingo, I didn't critique it. I don't know anything about any RNG project. I was just answering mircea_popescu's question, in which he quoted "and conversely objects which pass randomness tests must have high algorithmic complexity" and hten said "not familiar with the 'complex objects' in question.".

20:50:46 bounce: 966 lines. looks like a bit of a waste.

20:53:05 Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> no one can say i wasn't patient. << and that's an understatement

20:53:06 jurov: tl;dr:<ninjashogun> cardano can suddenly change into usb keyboard hence its insecure

20:53:15 jurov: i did not read further

20:53:27 asciilifeform: see mp's essay about 'your wife changes into dog'

20:53:40 mircea_popescu: wait i wrote that ?!

20:53:46 asciilifeform: somewhere.

20:53:53 jurov: or a pig... there's actually a book about that

20:53:56 bounce: no, he is a dog. this is the internets.

20:53:59 mike_c: 3 hours! that take some serious zen power.

20:54:07 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, are you working on an RNG project? Do you have a link?

20:54:17 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, or announcement?

20:54:20 mircea_popescu: mike_c next time you want to ask me why the cardano isn't done by xmas...

20:54:31 asciilifeform: how many pictures of the damn thing have to be posted

20:54:32 mike_c: hehe

20:54:56 jurov: robwhiz22: it's often discussed here, if you'd actually read the logs

20:55:07 asciilifeform: as if an rng were a nuke, or any other rarity

20:55:12 jurov: but you seem to be write-only dude

20:55:25 bounce: maybe it should be. backdoored and all.

20:55:36 mircea_popescu: ;;google wilbur glenn voliva

20:55:40 bounce: bogon-triggered tacnuke

20:56:01 mircea_popescu: he's like Julia A. Moore but forscience.

20:56:58 robwhiz22: jurov, why is it often discussed here? Could you summarize?

20:57:08 fluffypony: robwhiz22: the rng project is basically based on buttcoin:sharpie density

20:57:16 robwhiz22: jurov, is there a write-up somewhere?

20:57:40 thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe

20:57:49 asciilifeform: i can't wait for this fellow's Amazing RNG Improvement ideas.

20:57:54 jurov: robwhiz22: google the logs for hookers+microphone

20:58:42 fluffypony: asciilifeform: the seed is a digital breathalyser...works best when you're drunk;)

20:58:49 asciilifeform: http://fraudsters.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics

20:58:49 asciilifeform: etc

20:58:50 ozbot: Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mirce

21:01:40 mircea_popescu: "This brings me to the core of what I dislike about Wolfram's book. It is going to set the field back by years. On the one hand, scientists in other fields are going to think we're all crackpots like him. On the other hand, we're going to be deluged, again, with people who fall for this kind of nonsense. I expect to have to waste a lot of time in the next few years de-programming students who'll have read A New Kind of

21:01:40 mircea_popescu: Science before knowing any better."

21:01:44 mircea_popescu: fuycking problem of bitcoin.

21:02:04 mircea_popescu: we do not want "more adoption", especially if that "more adoption" is sandmans brought in by aspirin bitcoin "jesuses"

21:04:08 asciilifeform: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/BUxXH76CYdc/IunywkAxufMJ

21:04:26 asciilifeform: it is worth noting that herr w. created his flagship product by 'pulling a bitcoinica'

21:05:31 asciilifeform: (ran off with taxpayer-funded 'macsyma' and hired some people to write a gui)

21:05:45 thestringpuller: the problem of bitcoin is the problem of the internet...eternal september

21:06:10 asciilifeform: there's a unique species of crackpot - the kind with actual power

21:06:12 asciilifeform: e.g. lysenko

21:06:19 jurov: all that rubbish. why i had to do my first programming steps in qbasic?

21:06:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not pulling a bitcoinica, that's pulling a washingtonica.

21:06:30 turbo_ac100: no block found for 45 min. Is that true?

21:06:33 jurov: because nobody could be bothered to make free list for msdos

21:06:37 mircea_popescu: ;;tslb

21:06:39 jurov: *lisp

21:06:46 joecool: lawdy

21:06:55 [\]: balls

21:06:58 jurov: all these high horses

21:07:05 mircea_popescu: jurov if you stole msdos to the degree you thought it was free

21:07:10 mircea_popescu: why didn't you steal lisp too

21:07:19 jurov: cuz nobody around had it

21:07:22 fluffypony: jurov: you think that's bad, I started on GWBASIC and then progressed to Pascal

21:07:29 fluffypony: took me years to unlearn bad habits

21:07:33 asciilifeform: there were many lisps of various descriptions for msdos

21:07:33 jurov: i progressed to pascal, too

21:07:35 *: bounce liked pascal

21:07:39 mircea_popescu: i actually liked qbasic. dunno why all the hate.

21:07:42 asciilifeform: but, afaik, no 'adult' ansi common lisp

21:07:55 thestringpuller: who didn't like basic

21:07:58 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: qbasic or quickbasic?

21:08:00 thestringpuller: it's classic

21:08:00 mircea_popescu: nono, qbasic.

21:08:01 [\]: urmom

21:08:06 mircea_popescu: it had this auto eval window

21:08:10 *: daybyter throws in some java...

21:08:11 fluffypony: yeah that was cool

21:08:16 bounce: back when, no ubiquitous 'net, not even a modem, and no connections to extoll the virtues of lisp

21:08:18 mircea_popescu: you'd go ? 12*32 and it was really like ;;calc

21:08:20 [\]: I still remember seeing a=a+1 for the first time

21:08:23 fluffypony: I vastly preferred PowerBasic to Turbo PAscal

21:08:25 fluffypony: *Pascal

21:08:27 [\]: and thinking that that statement was impossible

21:08:33 bounce: did get a forth from somebody, but without a good book it was hard to get started with it

21:08:35 asciilifeform: phun phact. msdos 'edit' is actually 'qbasic', with the basic ineptly commented out - in such a way that the code is still buried in the binary.

21:08:35 [\]: since algebra says things must be balanced

21:08:43 fluffypony: asciilifeform: I remember

21:08:56 mircea_popescu: and besides. qbasic came with monkeys.bas

21:09:04 mircea_popescu: i kept editing the code to do weird shit. was loads of fun

21:09:05 fluffypony: omg that and the tank game

21:09:10 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I learned something today I never knew...mind blown.

21:09:31 daybyter: fluffypony: combat?

21:09:34 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it was [pretty obvious even at the time. they looked alike.

21:09:47 Diablo-D3: and you know whats really fun?

21:09:57 Diablo-D3: quickbasic uses a more powerful version of that editor

21:10:13 fluffypony: daybyter: can't remember

21:10:31 bounce: some things are best forgotten

21:10:32 fluffypony: I remember when I got my Nokia 6110 and it had Snake on it

21:10:34 fluffypony: I was like

21:10:37 fluffypony: "Nibbles?"

21:10:42 mircea_popescu: hahaha yeah

21:10:46 fluffypony: and nobody understood wtf I was talking about

21:10:47 Diablo-D3: fuck yeah nibbles

21:11:06 daybyter: fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m86ftny1uY

21:11:11 daybyter: that game?

21:11:13 fluffypony: *clicks*

21:11:31 Diablo-D3: no not that game

21:11:47 Diablo-D3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDc3ZEKl-Wc

21:11:47 ozbot: QBASIC Gorillas - YouTube

21:11:49 Diablo-D3: gorillas

21:11:50 Diablo-D3: lulz

21:11:55 fluffypony: daybyter: yes!

21:11:55 jurov: anyway. what i want to say, despite it was quite decent environment, it naturally led everyone to use turbopascal&co.

21:12:08 Diablo-D3: but yeah, qbasic had a scortched earth clone

21:12:12 jurov: if there was a cool DOS game built on lisp

21:12:22 jurov: we could have been years ahead

21:12:27 daybyter: fluffypony: I started a rewrite of that game in javascript to use it for coin gaming.

21:12:45 asciilifeform: problem being, all 'small' lisps are interpreters (what nearly everyone thinks of all lisps as being)

21:13:00 asciilifeform: because optimizing compilers are bulky - and require serious thought to write

21:13:08 joecool: finally a new block

21:13:09 fluffypony: jurov: I will say this much, Turbo Pascal forced me to learn asm because some functions were orders of magnitude faster when offloaded to inline asm

21:13:09 mircea_popescu: ^

21:13:22 mircea_popescu: actually it was a while until they had the first optimizing compiler working

21:13:35 jurov: what problem? 386 can run a nifty logic game with interpreter

21:13:45 fluffypony: who remembers Swag, the Turbo Pascal code snippets collection?

21:13:55 robwhiz22: sorry, I received a phone call and was disconnected without noticing.

21:14:01 mircea_popescu: i remember dlh, the useful game info collection.

21:14:03 asciilifeform: fluffypony: me. i still consult 'swag' for algos, once in a blue moon.

21:14:04 mircea_popescu: good enough ?

21:14:26 dignork: ew, I remember writing TSR programs in TP+asm, it was a horrible junk

21:14:27 asciilifeform: anyone remember the 'magical decompiler' somebody planted in 'swag'? (actually the 'gold bug' virus)

21:15:02 fluffypony: asciilifeform: I remember trading copies on stiffy disk because the Internet wasn't as common, and then eventually in like 1998/1999 downloading my first "current" release

21:15:20 fluffypony: dignork: it was the gold standard at the time :-P

21:16:11 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, you said earlier you did not see my two emails to you. I forwarded both to you now - did you get them?

21:16:47 daybyter: any android devs here?

21:16:53 daybyter: interested in tradebots?

21:17:03 robwhiz22: I used the address from the cryptome announcement, which you responded to once suggesting I talk to you here.

21:17:21 dignork: fluffypony, and Ralph Brown's INT list, although there was some nice interactive help system as well

21:17:24 robwhiz22: The forward includes both emails.

21:18:04 fluffypony: heh

21:18:16 fluffypony: dignork: before that list I used a Peter Norton programming guide that had an interrupt table

21:19:24 bounce: borland turbo pascal was a great step-up to asm because it was easy to get going with --also nicely light-weight compared to C!-- and made inline asm ridiculously easy.

21:19:36 fluffypony: bounce: agreed

21:19:50 fluffypony: borland really screwed things up over the years

21:20:33 bounce: smallest TSR I did was... 32 bytes total memory cost. 16 bytes code, 16 bytes allocated memory given to DOS before exiting.

21:20:54 jurov: ^ and 20 years later, lispers still accusatorily point fingers in vain

21:21:06 jurov: Meh.

21:21:22 mircea_popescu: bounce inline asm is not easy in c ?

21:21:31 mircea_popescu: you can just put it in a pointer and... execute it.

21:21:49 fluffypony: dat asm

21:21:49 bounce: the tp compiler does its thing much quicker than the tc compiler

21:21:49 *: fluffypony http://kd5col.info/swag/SORTING/0043.PAS.html

21:23:58 bounce: and can relatively simply be put on a 360k floppy; just drop the bgi stuff from the std lib collection. compiler, stdlib, 3rd party editor. off you go. that just doesn't work so well with C.

21:24:30 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want the compiler to asm for you, vs. having to drop in a hex string and function ptr to it, compiler has to understand inline asm.

21:24:44 dignork: bounce, there was a debug.exe just to write .COM, i think it was still supplied in winXP

21:24:49 mircea_popescu: but the difference is purely acaemic.

21:24:55 Naphex: people here should stop talking about turbo pascal

21:24:58 mircea_popescu: wtf is it going to do with it, give you asm error messages ?

21:25:01 Naphex: in order too keep this channel cool

21:25:20 Naphex: hehe

21:25:34 mircea_popescu: CD 21

21:25:38 mircea_popescu: there i've asm'd.

21:25:44 asciilifeform: lol!

21:26:14 mircea_popescu: :D

21:26:43 asciilifeform: i'm one of the lucky (unlucky?) folks who uses x86 asm at day job.

21:26:59 mircea_popescu: i haven't since the days i was looking through files to spot stoned.b

21:27:05 mircea_popescu: before "antivirus" was a thing

21:27:21 asciilifeform: a fun diversion, for those innocent of such matters:

21:27:24 asciilifeform: ;;google ascii shellcode

21:27:32 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I will have to go soon.

21:27:40 fluffypony: asciilifeform: on embedded devices or generally?

21:27:40 bounce: borland turbo C also had a similar "basm" thingy, so no need to fsck around with hexstrings. tp was just the thing we used because it was easy to use. indeed, easier than tc.

21:28:06 asciilifeform: fluffypony: generally. reading, rather than writing.

21:28:56 bounce: back in the days of 'zines over modem and even the odd book with virus listings from the library. forbidden knowledge!

21:29:41 MGK: Anyone interested in a graded MS65 1BTC casasius coin? Asking 1.5btc.

21:31:57 benkay: graded?

21:32:57 benkay: MGK: graded?

21:33:25 MGK: yes

21:33:30 MGK: MS65

21:34:14 jurov: as in, .999 fine brass?

21:34:26 benkay: as in .99 pure btc

21:36:02 fluffypony: bounce: fk was the shiznat

21:36:05 benkay: ;;lasers

21:36:14 jurov: ;;railgun

21:36:18 mike_c: ;;kittenlasers

21:36:28 asciilifeform: ;;nailgun

21:36:29 jurov: ;;monorailcat

21:36:45 fluffypony: bounce: or wait, I'm talking about the old South African zine called forbidden knowledge, not sure if you were just saying that in general

21:36:47 mike_c: ;;laserkittens

21:36:58 jurov: wuuut

21:37:13 benkay: wow.

21:37:20 mike_c: what? it's a kitten with a laser. no biggie.

21:37:35 bounce: that didn't quite reach faraway europe, I don't think, no.

21:37:51 bounce: or maybe it did and I just don't remember.

21:38:23 MGK: yes the brass 2013

21:38:31 MGK: sorry Im doing a few things

21:38:58 fluffypony: bounce: http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/FK/

21:39:02 fluffypony: terrible

21:39:51 bounce: .txt file, starts with <html>. huh.

21:39:51 BingoBoingo: ;;manul

21:40:24 mircea_popescu: ;;derpage

21:40:27 mircea_popescu: ;/

21:40:30 fluffypony: reading some of the stuff I contributed is painful

21:40:41 fluffypony: 14 years is a long time ago

21:40:43 bounce: ;;canned derpage

21:41:55 benkay: hey mircea_popescu i think i'm misreading your mpex tech stuff article - web servers have a copy of the db to fulfill stat requests?

21:42:22 mircea_popescu: pretty much

21:42:44 mircea_popescu: it's anonimized to some degree, mostly by replacing keys, but that shouldn't be relied on.

21:43:18 benkay: do they then have a copy of the mpex keys as well? for the signing of stats etc?

21:45:09 benkay: mircea_popescu ^^

21:45:28 mircea_popescu: no

21:46:15 benkay: how does a stat get signed then?

21:46:23 mircea_popescu: that's complicated.

21:48:29 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I'll try to reach you tomorrow. What is the best time to talk in here?

21:49:04 benkay: complicated i can handle

21:50:08 mircea_popescu: well no, what i mean is "that's complicated" in the sense of i'm not about to spill it.

21:50:10 MGK: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile PM me if youre interested in a MS65 1BTC coin

21:50:11 ozbot: An Error Has Occurred

21:50:24 benkay: oh i got that loud and clear

21:52:01 robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, that is a good policy.

21:52:14 robwhiz22: I'll be on tomorrow.

21:53:53 fluffypony: I look forward to robwhiz22 joining us tomorrow

21:54:05 fluffypony: maybe he'll show us the sekrit dokumints

21:54:14 benkay: ;;gettrust fluffypony

21:54:26 fluffypony: ;;ident fluffypony

21:54:35 fluffypony: ;;voiceme

21:54:40 *: fluffypony hugs gribble

21:54:42 rithm: /nickserv identify rithm sekritpa55word

21:54:43 *: bounce proposes an ignore-o-meter that'll show who gets ignored by how many others in nice convenient bargraphs

21:54:59 rithm: DOH!

21:55:06 fluffypony: rithm: PRIVKEY NEXT PLZ

21:55:18 mircea_popescu: !b 4

21:56:11 dignork: rithm, /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD sekritpa55word2

21:56:17 rithm: -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----

21:56:18 rithm: MIIEpQIBAAKCAQEA1lEXqr+TZ70mhIr+Ju92krlUiEO8MlXXXeZVAvZqlkI2AC2V

21:56:18 rithm: Qb+jTmfu/LwZXAYpsmgsi17zU0RytRO0/jYJ2P9HoY6x3qVvwm/Uoog1iVjaDrBd

21:56:18 rithm: F

21:56:37 rithm: omg hax

21:56:54 *: rithm knew he shouldn't have used ssl on his bouncer

21:57:06 *: fluffypony heartbleedz rithm dry

21:57:15 *: bounce next develops a calculus of (whatever the term is for the state of being ignored)

21:57:17 rithm: i tested my shit

21:57:23 dignork: rithm, pastebin your privkey, it got truncated :(

21:57:26 rithm: none of the affected are exposed

21:57:33 rithm: i'm taking my time

21:57:42 rithm: drinking beer and shit watching the internet burn

21:58:28 rithm: ya'll didn't even try to login to nickserv gah

21:58:31 rithm: boring

21:59:00 rithm: thanks fluffypony

21:59:04 fluffypony: :)

21:59:04 *: rithm feels better

21:59:10 fluffypony: I try to make you happy

21:59:30 dignork: rithm, i just checked that i have this password in list of human generated passwords (i did)

21:59:41 rithm: nice

21:59:53 rithm: it's my passphrase to my wallet too

22:00:03 rithm: that i generated in stock ubuntu

22:00:18 rithm: it's still online with billions of bitcoins if you want 'em come get em bro

22:00:46 los_pantalones: so what's goin on right now? gox coins flooding mkt ?

22:00:58 fluffypony: rithm: I think I'm going to try random sha256 hash collision instead

22:01:00 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones what gox coins ?

22:01:50 akstunt600: lol gox coins

22:02:09 los_pantalones: karpeles selling usbs on the street?

22:02:23 akstunt600: hahhahahah yeah right

22:02:33 akstunt600: he is too much of a pussy for all that

22:02:38 los_pantalones: why not? he's dumb enough

22:02:45 los_pantalones: well, not that i'd know personally

22:02:50 los_pantalones: he seems dumb enough, excuse me

22:02:50 akstunt600: because hes scared

22:02:56 akstunt600: nooooo terrified

22:03:06 akstunt600: he thinks btc has been around 10yrs

22:03:08 akstunt600: lol

22:03:15 fluffypony: ohaaaai Mark

22:03:24 akstunt600: hahha

22:03:24 los_pantalones: ever seen that study about how really dumb people don't realize they are dumb

22:03:28 los_pantalones: defense mechanism

22:03:30 fluffypony: akstunt600: I'm sure he meant 10 years experience in netsec and not btc, though

22:03:38 akstunt600: i know :p

22:03:42 akstunt600: im toying

22:03:49 jurov: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-core-developers-bitcoin-side-chains/ i herd you like blockchains, so...

22:04:01 akstunt600: hhahahahah jurov

22:04:12 akstunt600: this sidechain stuff is cool

22:04:33 akstunt600: like especially if they did like zerocoin styl on 2nd chain

22:04:34 los_pantalones: so, no theories on px move in here ?

22:04:44 los_pantalones: or no cares ?

22:04:58 fluffypony: what boggles my mind is that they (mtgox) were liquid enough to pay someone to rewrite everything in a less-crap way, and to permanently employ a bunch of CISSPs (at the very least)

22:05:13 benkay: ;;later tell princessnell it's actually gpg keys which are tied to mpex accounts

22:05:16 fluffypony: to have such an Ivory Tower complex that you don't is...well...

22:05:20 mircea_popescu: los_pantalones no one cares.

22:05:26 jurov: fluffypony look no further than thermos

22:05:29 los_pantalones: figured

22:05:30 los_pantalones: ty

22:05:41 fluffypony: jurov: don't get me started

22:05:52 fluffypony: makes me seriously irritated

22:05:55 akstunt600: lol

22:06:00 akstunt600: thermos?

22:06:04 akstunt600: wut?

22:06:08 fluffypony: akstunt600: yes, he doesn't keep the coffee hot!

22:06:09 mircea_popescu: fluffypony they never were liquid enough. not ever.

22:06:13 akstunt600: hahhahahhahahah

22:06:24 jurov: fluffypony no problem, lay here on the couch and let's latalk

22:06:29 jurov: *talk

22:06:39 kakobrekla: also put your pants down.

22:06:43 fluffypony: yes

22:06:46 benkay: davout mircea_popescu x.eur has delivery performed by delivery of cash to a bitcoin-central account, right?

22:06:50 fluffypony: and if someone can give me a scalp massage

22:06:56 mircea_popescu: benkay yes.

22:07:08 mircea_popescu: people don't quite grasp how bad a business mtgox was on a cashflow basis.

22:07:25 benkay: ;;later tell princessnell http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014&bots=true#614499

22:07:26 mircea_popescu: 1. it was created by jeb mccaleb, the douche that recently fucked up kraken, and some other derps, on a shoestring.

22:07:39 dignork: mircea_popescu, but nobody knows really, have they ever published any reports?

22:07:39 mircea_popescu: it went nowhere so 2. karpeles took it over, with aid from some angel investors.

22:07:56 akstunt600: what did you expect they were a magic the gathering trading site

22:07:58 mircea_popescu: he proceeded to buy some failed polish exchange, which was over its history a loss,

22:08:10 akstunt600: well not officialy but i dont believeit

22:08:12 mircea_popescu: and then 3. got raped by jeb mccaleb (the "auditor") taking btc to 1 cent.

22:08:29 mircea_popescu: then they ran at a loss for all of 2012, piling more and more angel round money into a hole.

22:08:36 fluffypony: eish

22:08:44 akstunt600: yeah such sad shit

22:08:51 mircea_popescu: then just as 2013 brought increased prices and revenues, they lost 5mn dollars to the us fed, because karpeles is retarded and doesn't understand when to say no.

22:08:55 akstunt600: at least they didnt try to sell goxshares

22:09:00 fluffypony: hah

22:09:05 akstunt600: like cryptorush fiasco

22:09:07 mircea_popescu: all through this they were trying to daytrade, and doing it as well as bitcoinica

22:09:08 fluffypony: or IPO it

22:09:10 mircea_popescu: (horribly badly)

22:09:10 akstunt600: but thats small potatoes

22:09:21 akstunt600: omg IPO would have been epic

22:09:40 fluffypony: akstunt600: I know

22:09:42 fluffypony: in fact

22:09:46 mircea_popescu: this is something you can maybe carry on for a while, but if you're trying to it's a damned good idea not to annoy me as a side dish.

22:09:46 fluffypony: they should have done it as a coin

22:09:47 jurov: akstunt600: they will inevitably try it as "Gox"

22:09:49 fluffypony: GoxCoin IPO

22:10:06 akstunt600: Oh yeah that

22:10:10 mircea_popescu: and so this brings us to the spring of 2013, ever increasing pressures and eventually their collapse.

22:10:11 akstunt600: gox builder

22:10:13 akstunt600: lol

22:10:21 mircea_popescu: they never actually had a lump of money they didn't owe someone.

22:10:34 jurov: i want to see a bank that'll dare to manage New Gox's acct

22:10:58 akstunt600: hahahha i dont even want to see that attempted

22:11:00 mircea_popescu: dignork yes.

22:11:03 mircea_popescu: pdf, of course.

22:11:19 akstunt600: mircea_popescu, that makes perfect sense to me

22:11:29 akstunt600: I never touched them

22:12:21 dignork: mircea_popescu if i read the history correctly, their report was published once, and long time ago

22:12:47 mircea_popescu: three reports they published afaik

22:13:07 mircea_popescu: 2010, 2011, 2012

22:15:31 jurov: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579493901002691642 as we speak

22:15:32 ozbot: Investor Group Seeks Court OK to Buy, Revive Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox - WSJ.com

22:15:48 jurov: need to find non paywalled article

22:16:02 los_pantalones: google the headline

22:16:11 mircea_popescu: jurov that's ok, that's the last anyone'll ever heard of that.

22:16:24 jurov: The investor group, which includes Brock Pierce, a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur,

22:16:32 jurov: i think that's all i need to know

22:16:57 fluffypony: LOL

22:17:38 fluffypony: from now on I'm going to tell people I"m a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur

22:18:09 jurov: .. and investor with hollywood ties

22:18:11 dignork: well, for 1btc I'd buy it just for lulz

22:18:26 akstunt600: hahhah jurov

22:18:33 mircea_popescu: dignork you familiar with court supervised acquisitions ?

22:19:35 bounce: not me, explain away. why do they need an "investor group" to pony up one full bitcoin, given that they're not paying the debts outright but planning to pay'em back by running the thing anew?

22:20:21 dignork: mircea_popescu, yes, not too deeply though. But I'd buy it only as "dignork", pgp key 8334BB7B5BDFA126

22:20:56 samson_: I can't get over the fact that 'Chicago-based SilkRoad Equity' are involved in this...

22:21:14 mircea_popescu: bounce you need to either pay upfront more than the judge evaluates the assets could conceivably fetch, or else execute a credible plan to deliver. and since this is examined by jurists rather than business people (and let alone forum fucktards) the estimates tend to be quite conservative.

22:21:22 akstunt600: samson_, I know right

22:21:24 fluffypony: samson_: I thought you were joking

22:21:30 samson_: no joke

22:21:30 mircea_popescu: there's a reason why noobs never succeed with these.

22:21:35 akstunt600: I dug that up to a while a go and was liek WTF

22:21:37 fluffypony: I know

22:21:40 fluffypony: http://www.silkroadequity.com

22:22:58 bounce: oh to start a company and requiring all titles to have "derp" in them somewhere.

22:23:12 fluffypony: Chief Derper

22:23:19 fluffypony: or Herpiest Derper

22:23:28 bounce: conservative as in generous?

22:24:06 cazalla: not surprising to see someone like Brock Pierce involved given his history with RMT, he's the 2nd person I've come across in bitcoin that I knew of before Bitcoin, first being voorhees from wickedfire heh

22:24:08 mircea_popescu: no, conservative as in "where did you go to school ?" and other anathema mp-esque questions the child actors of this world abhor.

22:24:10 dignork: bounce, not for the buyer

22:24:24 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: do they use a jury for financial stuff as well??? geeze...:/

22:24:33 mircea_popescu: fluffypony no, but that makes it worse.

22:24:41 bounce: "higher than a bargaining businessman would-be buyer would bid", then.

22:24:51 fluffypony: oh

22:24:54 fluffypony: I misread your sentence

22:25:01 fluffypony: I thought you said examined by jurors

22:25:10 fluffypony: too much wine and it's 12:30am

22:25:15 mircea_popescu: jurists, ie, people of teh legal profession

22:25:29 fluffypony: yeah re-read it now :)

22:25:55 bounce: ah. need to have an impressive name and such. so that's why this "child actor" got roped in.

22:26:16 jurov: i suspect hollywood wants to tap the drama

22:26:31 bounce: spendy drama quality drama

22:26:52 akstunt600: hahhahha fluffypony I would like to annouce new chief operating derp

22:27:00 jborkl: http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140410_78_127Y/ < mircea much better

22:27:01 ozbot: WebPagetest Test Result - Dulles : www.bcoinnews.com - 04/10/14 22:25:40

22:27:12 cazalla: I think he did much more in RMT than h is child acting days tbh

22:27:19 fluffypony: akstunt600: also we need a Derp Scientist

22:27:21 mircea_popescu: cazalla what's rmt ?

22:27:26 akstunt600: yup yup

22:27:30 cazalla: real money trade

22:27:31 bounce: a Science Derpist

22:27:31 mircea_popescu: jborkl indeed

22:27:38 mircea_popescu: cazalla uh what is that ?

22:28:01 cazalla: chinese gold farming

22:28:05 mircea_popescu: oh oh.

22:28:08 mircea_popescu: mkay.

22:28:16 cazalla: he was THE guy back in the EQ days

22:28:29 mircea_popescu: and voorhees you say ?

22:28:56 cazalla: yeah wickedfire which is interesting because I read an article where you said it would attrack the internet marketing crowd and I say there thinking oh top kek that's me

22:28:59 bgupta: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103374/mr-derp

22:29:02 ozbot: Mr. Derp - Video Clips - South Park Studios

22:29:14 cazalla: sat there, fuck i need a coffee

22:29:33 mircea_popescu: lol

22:31:34 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=287653.msg6159630#msg6159630 <- they're *still* Heartbleed vulnerable

22:31:36 ozbot: FairProof.com - the simplest provably fair bitcoin multi-lottery (instant)

22:31:47 fluffypony: I even pm'd them to tell them

22:31:52 fluffypony: and then they announce a new SSL cert, wtf

22:32:54 bounce: now the race is on to see who can post their secret key here the first

22:33:16 bounce: s/here the/here/

22:34:09 mircea_popescu: cazalla so what do you do, marketing wise ?

22:34:30 cazalla: nothing now, i just use to run spam blogs fill with adsense

22:34:36 mircea_popescu: fluffypony my wicked heart smiled when the thing was announced and schneier had to write an article about how he is affected. i on the other side, did not.

22:34:47 mircea_popescu: cazalla that's been dead for a while.

22:35:03 cazalla: panda/pengion killed it for me

22:35:25 fluffypony: cazalla: yeah, Google started loving content

22:35:28 cazalla: penguin even

22:36:18 cazalla: fluffypony: i wouldn't go that far, more like loving adwords and their pushing their own products into every profitable vertical

22:36:27 asciilifeform: what's the excuse for a blog using ssl anyway?

22:36:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "security"

22:36:45 asciilifeform: seekoority.

22:36:47 fluffypony: asciilifeform: aren't we moving towards SSL on everything forever?

22:36:54 mircea_popescu: no.

22:37:06 mircea_popescu: we are moving away from ssl and generally pki, and generally usg-crap. forever.

22:37:09 cazalla: still, never though indians writing 250 word articles for $3 would scale like it did

22:37:11 asciilifeform: as if ssl were useful if it worked as printed on the box.

22:37:19 fluffypony: this shit: https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere

22:37:28 cazalla: thought*.. going back to bed, damn baby crying all night and can't even focus on spelling

22:37:43 asciilifeform: all the noise people made about key escrow in the '90s - they swallowed it in the end regardless.

22:38:05 asciilifeform: all the buggers had to do was rename it 'pki'

22:38:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's the thing : bitcoin finally creates the possibility for natural selection.

22:38:20 asciilifeform: a turd 'by any other name would smell as...'

22:38:31 mircea_popescu: it matters not that ther world is full of mastodons as long as two mice are fucking somewhere.

22:50:13 akstunt600: WOW mu bro just refunded 3 neptunes

22:50:16 akstunt600: WTF

22:51:10 akstunt600: Thats 30k in btc wow

22:51:21 akstunt600: he shorted from 1k btc rpice wow

22:52:05 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

22:54:06 MGK: Im selling a graded MS65 1bitcoin casacious coin, asking 1.5BTC.

22:56:06 SatoshiJack: mp,tat -- you guys need to get some people building around atc! I've tried contacting the Brainwallet.org devs -- but no luck getting them to show atc some love...

22:57:16 jurov: SatoshiJack: brainwallet should work with atc out of the box, no?

22:59:08 SatoshiJack: nope -- I don't think so -- no way to have it autogenerate based on the rules for atc... they will have to add support which would mean tweaking code for determinsitc wallets etc...

22:59:23 jurov: but atc has same rules as btc

22:59:39 benkay: different addresses, tho

22:59:56 jurov: how different?

23:00:15 benkay: what does your altcoin addr start with?

23:00:19 jurov: 1

23:00:51 SatoshiJack: I will give you full details in a day or so -- we are going through the code now -- and figuring out what we have tobuild for it --- our big thing is -- how we generate address etc... I need to be able to generate like 1000 or so at a time -- and also to be able to submit transactions similar to how brainwallet.org works with blockchain.info for transaction submits...

23:00:52 benkay: huh

23:01:09 akstunt600: http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/

23:01:10 ozbot: Badger Badger Badger.com The Original Dancing Badgers!

23:01:10 benkay: coulda sworn they were different

23:01:27 akstunt600: thought you could use some cheering up

23:07:34 benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-f4gokRBs&list=PLBCFA347CE84FD2A9#t=151

23:07:34 ozbot: Mystery of Prince Rupert's Drop at 130,000 fps - Smarter Every Day 86 - YouTube

23:08:12 benkay: once upon a time i took 2nd place in physics for attempting to quantify polarization of light coming through a prd as a proxy for embedded stress

23:08:27 benkay: just look how fucking fast that thing tears itself apart

23:09:12 benkay: ha!

23:09:16 benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-f4gokRBs&list=PLBCFA347CE84FD2A9#t=199

23:09:17 ozbot: Mystery of Prince Rupert's Drop at 130,000 fps - Smarter Every Day 86 - YouTube

23:11:21 benkay: fractures move at like 1 mile/sec

23:11:26 benkay: wild stuff.

23:25:10 Mats_cd03: cute

23:32:19 blackwhite: so whats going on with btc? was it the australian bank that caused the drop?

23:33:49 midnightmagic: lol australian bank?

23:34:51 midnightmagic: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/bitcoin-dumped-by-national-australia-bank-as-too-risky ah you mean that. Lame.

23:34:51 ozbot: Bitcoin firms dumped by National Australia Bank as 'too risky' | World news | theguardian.com