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00:00:07 pete_dushenski: trinque so what should the b-a foundation's bitcoind cost to download ?

00:00:21 asciilifeform: trinque: 'should cost something' does not mean 'random derp gets to charge'

00:00:25 trinque: pete_dushenski: it always costs *someone* *something*

00:01:15 pete_dushenski: right, and we're talking about the end-user here, are we not ?

00:01:39 trinque: we're talking about the end user's packets

00:01:41 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << i've said it before, and will say it again - au is a usg-owned zoolag where they try out new and bleeding-edge idiocies

00:01:41 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."

00:02:29 pete_dushenski: trinque packets and pockets

00:03:52 trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax

00:04:28 trinque: at-will funding doesn't mean free, necessarily

00:04:37 trinque: anyhow, just saying good work costs money

00:05:08 pete_dushenski: agreed. "free" work results in retardopedia.

00:05:33 pete_dushenski: though that's also the result of low barriers to entry

00:05:46 pete_dushenski: which is a different consideration entirely.

00:06:22 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158558 << rly? from where i sit, it appears to be funded by folks willing to work for nothing

00:06:22 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 00:03:52; trinque: pete_dushenski: ftr the foundation's funded by a tax

00:06:33 *: asciilifeform for instance.

00:07:07 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform you're funded by s.nsa :D

00:07:11 trinque: yep, said it costs "someone something", time in this case

00:07:16 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: you sorta have it reversed

00:07:18 shinohai: I am not saying there is anything wrong with free (Debian for example). Just that if you want a different product with extended features, those cost $ to develop/

00:07:22 trinque: though perhaps money in time

00:07:31 trinque: shinohai: I'm saying someone always foots the bill

00:07:37 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: s.nsa is, in practice thus far, funded by my lunch money.

00:07:38 trinque: and there is no such thing as something without a cost

00:07:54 *: trinque wishes asciilifeform many cardano sales

00:08:05 *: asciilifeform wishes also.

00:08:26 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform as you've mentioned many a time, but in turn you're given stocks and options of some value

00:08:46 pete_dushenski: it seems that your lack of a meatspace broker is requiring expenses to be out-of-pocket

00:09:11 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it isn't a lack-of-broker problem, but an i-live-on-usg-scrip problem

00:09:38 asciilifeform: if i were to obtain (fell out of airplane, aha) a crate full of benjies, it would do exactly zero for my situation.

00:09:47 asciilifeform: (other than adding to my usg-jailable liabilities)

00:10:01 pete_dushenski: exactly zero ?

00:10:09 asciilifeform: well, epsilon.

00:10:20 asciilifeform: (one can buy petrol with them, that's mostly it)

00:10:33 pete_dushenski: eh, what's wrong with non-zero improvements ?

00:10:38 pete_dushenski: groceries

00:10:41 pete_dushenski: pre-paid visa cards

00:10:41 asciilifeform: sure.

00:10:46 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha no

00:10:56 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: prepaid cards, where i live, require government id

00:10:57 pete_dushenski: lolk mebbe not the visas...

00:11:33 pete_dushenski: though i'm sure pre-paid visas can be purchased on craigslist or the like

00:11:42 pete_dushenski: or through wot

00:11:46 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: invitation to be beaten and robbed

00:11:57 shinohai: craigslist kek

00:12:00 asciilifeform: if through wot, invitation to get some other fine fella gassed on my account

00:12:47 pete_dushenski: ok, so you stick with cash and take 'pet' out for lovely restaurant dinner, fill gastank, buy best organic veggies and steaks.

00:13:00 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this is perhaps 1-2% of my costs.

00:13:01 pete_dushenski: easy $1k/mo

00:13:12 pete_dushenski: you spend $100k/mo then ?

00:13:15 asciilifeform: mno

00:13:19 asciilifeform: but i don't eat that much food

00:13:24 asciilifeform: or burn so much fuel.

00:13:57 asciilifeform: to roughly compare, this wouldn't be an airplane, just a pogo stick that lets you jump a few metres.

00:14:18 asciilifeform: at the cost of now having to guard a suitcase of plutonium

00:14:57 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'cosmic rays' did this. << beats null op heh

00:14:58 pete_dushenski: plutonium = cash ?

00:15:06 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha

00:15:24 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in your own country a fella just sat down for 3 yrs for having turned up with a bag of benjies.

00:15:46 pete_dushenski: $10k isn't $1 mn +

00:15:53 mircea_popescu: 50k hsbc employees worked on wall street ? gimme a break.

00:16:27 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ftr, not my title ! i also proposed including "the city"

00:16:30 *: asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire

00:16:37 *: asciilifeform opens window

00:17:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << ok that shit's absolutely vile.

00:17:21 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 23:36:58; jurov: "You will be coming to us and we will be working with you," a DECO officer recently explained to academics. "When your ideas aren't necessarily that formed, it may be that we say to you, 'Look, at the moment we don't see any concern, come back to us at a further stage'."

00:17:22 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu though really, should be "50k fired from europe and americas"

00:17:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is 100% based on usg doctrine circa 1950s and onwards re: research even tangentially related to nukes

00:18:00 asciilifeform: ;;google born classified

00:18:03 gribble: Born secret - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret; Security Classification of Information, volume 2 (Quist), Chapter Three: http://www.fas.org/sgp/library/quist2/chap_3.html; What Does "Born Secret" Mean? (with pictures) - wiseGEEK: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-born-secret-mean.htm

00:18:05 mircea_popescu: fuck them.

00:18:15 mircea_popescu: if anyone asks them anything i'll be sure to send them an email.,

00:18:16 BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform in a somewhat more sour mood than usual, on account of floppy drive in 486 having caught fire << This is tragedy actual floppy drives that haven't been run to shit or decayed on their own are increasingly rare

00:18:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the specimen i turned up has clearly seen better days.

00:18:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 5v to gnd is a dead short.

00:19:26 asciilifeform: it bothers me that i am at a loss as to how this could even physically happen

00:19:31 asciilifeform: unit will have to be cut open, dissected.

00:19:54 mircea_popescu: i don't see it either.

00:19:56 mircea_popescu: what fire.

00:20:06 mircea_popescu: you had a nitrocellulose disk in there or what

00:20:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the power harness.

00:20:20 asciilifeform: overtemp from dead short in drive.

00:20:52 asciilifeform: incidentally, the au thing is more interesting than seems on the surface, because came directly out of 'wassenar agreement', a usg imposition on its entire colonial domain

00:21:00 asciilifeform: (including usa proper)

00:21:16 mircea_popescu: myeah.

00:21:48 asciilifeform: it was formally proclaimed that 'security tools' and especially 0days proper are now considered 'arms'

00:21:51 asciilifeform: like pgp in the '90s

00:21:54 BingoBoingo: USia just just starting to derp about itw Wassenar implementation

00:22:07 mircea_popescu: moreover, "this is where you have to break the laws of your country because we don't like breaking ours"

00:22:46 asciilifeform: interestingly, it is not even a treaty in the formal sense

00:22:48 asciilifeform: just an 'agreement'

00:23:02 asciilifeform: which means that legislatures do not get to discuss it as a yes/no

00:23:08 asciilifeform: but 'suck usg cock or else'

00:23:23 mircea_popescu: it is not worth the paper it's printed on.

00:23:33 asciilifeform: nato blok is run much like u.s. folk imagine warsaw pact was ran.

00:23:43 BingoBoingo: "There are no poisons that are specifically designed to kill lizards." >> http://www.ask.com/home-garden/poison-should-used-kill-lizards-ef7334a7b9c23689

00:23:44 assbot: Which poison should be used to kill lizards? | Ask.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gc1prW )

00:23:54 BingoBoingo: I wonder why?

00:24:10 mircea_popescu: lol

00:24:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo now drinking mellower pain thinners :D

00:24:44 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Taking the first half of the week off from that.

00:24:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik no lizard is a serious matter in agriculture. which would be why.

00:24:59 mircea_popescu: aha.

00:25:10 mircea_popescu: in fairness, plants did poison long before we showed up, and way better anyway.

00:25:19 mircea_popescu: we're basically trying to be substitute plants

00:26:13 mircea_popescu: "Defence said the new rules are necessary to stop the wrong technology falling into the hands of states or groups of proliferation concern." << this is bound to collide with bitcoin in the mid term, by the way.

00:26:24 mircea_popescu: states are untineresting, groups however...

00:26:28 asciilifeform: mid-term l0l

00:26:30 mircea_popescu: we're the state slayer. worst group ever.

00:26:35 asciilifeform: how about yesterday.

00:27:33 mircea_popescu: factually not yesterday, but anyway.

00:31:06 asciilifeform: it is also not a secret what they are pushing as 'wrong technology.'

00:31:52 asciilifeform: usg is working on plugging holes in the wintel-to-nsa pipeline.

00:32:10 mircea_popescu: aha.

00:33:15 BingoBoingo: Hence the intel graphics driver news

00:33:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: objective there is to herd the remaining linux/bsd diehards onto nvidia/ati

00:34:32 asciilifeform: 'want a vga card? run usg blobs. get on your knees, ready to please.'

00:34:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I thought it was to get people on the fence to return to winblows because they accidentally bought the wrong machine

00:35:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the only thing usg likes more than chump running winblows is a chump who thinks he isn't, but is.

00:35:12 mircea_popescu: that's a point.

00:35:13 BingoBoingo: yeah

00:35:38 mircea_popescu: and in between them, systemd.

00:35:40 asciilifeform: use of linux/bsd is a legal nsa 'selector.' this is publicly known by now.

00:37:50 asciilifeform: the proximate goal of wassenar etc. is not to jail academics (though the 'chilling effect' is a bonus for usg) but to herd the legit multinational corps who mine winblows 0days (e.g., 'vupen') and sell on market, into usg banners.

00:38:05 asciilifeform: 'do it under our watch or not at all'

00:38:29 mircea_popescu: romanian expression being "pasarea malai viseaza"

00:38:44 asciilifeform: (see old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1091295 etc)

00:38:44 assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 21:38:53; ascii_field: the qa meat robots determine 'yes it crashes if you feed it an odd number of letters in the address field' etc

00:40:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is that something like 'who speaks of what but the lousy will speak of baths' ?

00:40:45 mircea_popescu: "the bird dreams of ground corn"

00:40:52 asciilifeform: ('кто о чем а вшивый о бане')

00:40:58 asciilifeform: ah

00:42:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the full form actually is, "vrabia malai viseaza si lenesul praznic" (and the lazy man, a saint's day feast). sorta reminiscent of your drowned boy.

00:42:14 asciilifeform: aha

00:42:19 asciilifeform: we have several versions of this proverb.

00:43:15 asciilifeform: 'и рыбку съесть и на хуй сесть' << '[wishes for] to both eat the fish -and- sit down on the cock'

00:43:22 mircea_popescu: lol

00:52:05 asciilifeform: (question is always asked, how are these two activities in conflict? one version holds that original was '[to wish for] to both eat the fish -and- suck the cock')

00:52:42 asciilifeform: yet another was that it started life as 'to wish for to eat the fish and -not- sit down on the cock'

00:53:53 asciilifeform: see also http://matpogovorki.jimdo.com/%D0%B8

00:53:54 assbot: И - Крупнейшая коллекция матерных поговорок ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1pHvZ )

00:53:59 asciilifeform: ^ large collection of similar proverbs.

00:56:10 asciilifeform: 'Ивану за атаку - хуй в сраку. А Маньке за пизду - Красную Звезду.' << related. 'ivan led the attack, got a cock in his back. masha's twat went far, got her a red star.' ( http://ordenrf.ru/upload/nagrady/orden-krasnoy-zvezdy-3-a.jpg )

00:56:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1f1q3mn )

00:56:51 asciilifeform: everyone who likes proverbs pertaining to buggery - straight to this mega-resource.

01:08:57 mircea_popescu: pretty sure fish = cunt here

01:45:33 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GlWh-oQE7aM/UbcBnwxEz2I/AAAAAAAAAVM/cd9d-zEJPXo/s1600/188426_10150106868550178_120612075177_6796052_7699443_n.jpg"

01:45:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F73aTl )

01:49:21 scoopbot_revived: Browder the Bitcoinless http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless/

01:57:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35364 @ 0.00037257 = 13.1756 BTC [+]

02:01:15 mod6: Switched over to gentoo hardened with uclibc on amazon to see if we can get a build of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, and if so, hopfully get some profiling going here. This is what I'm workin with: http://dpaste.com/0B1CXQ8.txt

02:01:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F74ndu )

02:10:55 decimation: asciilifeform: re: which prisoners: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/us-usa-new-york-prisoners-idUSKBN0OP1YF20150609

02:10:56 assbot: Convicted killer in New York prison break on third escape attempt | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tWVD )

02:11:13 scoopbot_revived: US Government Shuts Down US Government Drug Manufacturing Operation http://qntra.net/2015/06/us-government-shuts-down-us-government-drug-manufacturing-operation/

02:11:13 decimation: it's been all over the news, has attracted half the cops in new york apparently

02:18:56 scoopbot_revived: Eulorean Crafting - The Pickaxe Illumination http://fraudsters.com/2015/eulorean-crafting-the-pickaxe-illumination/

02:35:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00035355 = 7.1417 BTC [-]

02:39:35 trinque: bahahaha, clicked "in other news link" expecting tits

02:39:37 trinque: got ducklings

02:45:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39636 @ 0.00037257 = 14.7672 BTC [+]

02:48:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.19990379 = 2.7987 BTC [-]

02:52:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23606 @ 0.00037552 = 8.8645 BTC [+]

02:56:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53679 @ 0.00035798 = 19.216 BTC [-]

02:58:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15021 @ 0.00035971 = 5.4032 BTC [+]

03:02:29 danielpbarron: !up goregrind

03:02:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158703 << i'm with herr limonov on this subject. the outlaw is '100x the man' of all of his pursuers put together.

03:02:31 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 02:10:55; decimation: asciilifeform: re: which prisoners: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/09/us-usa-new-york-prisoners-idUSKBN0OP1YF20150609

03:02:43 asciilifeform: i personally wish him a long life and many successes.

03:05:32 mats: http://risky.biz/RB368

03:05:34 assbot: Risky Business #368 -- AusCERT edition: Brian Krebs, Eva Galperin and more! | Risky Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGUf19 )

03:05:59 asciilifeform: mats: i actually just finished that one, l0l

03:06:03 asciilifeform: (in a car)

03:06:29 mats: im told its p good 3/4

03:06:36 asciilifeform: galperin was a very sad case

03:06:53 asciilifeform: eff lobbyist who tells us that 'wassenar is a done deal, all that can be done is to litigate some of the edges off'

03:07:25 mats: as expected

03:10:25 mod6: I forget whom it might have been, maybe nubbins` who said that the openssl headers don't get copied correctly on gentoo from the openssl build dir into ourlibs/include/openssl, i can confirm.

03:10:29 decimation: asciilifeform: as I said, many catch a bullet in baltimore every day, nobody gives a shit

03:10:52 decimation: two outlaws escape prison, commit the crime of making gov't look like buffons

03:10:53 asciilifeform: decimation: no one gives half a damn what orcs do

03:11:07 asciilifeform: aha, escaped prisoner is 'affront to the majesty of the law' (tm) (r)

03:11:21 decimation: exactly, which in this case consists of state bureaucrats

03:11:26 decimation: just like dpr did

03:14:04 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp

03:14:05 assbot: Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGVhKE )

03:14:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:14:39 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp's 'if you're reading it, it's for you' maxim? consider, why is this fella on front page of nyt? vs the $maxint other folks held without trial

03:14:40 assbot: Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGVkWY )

03:14:40 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:16:13 asciilifeform: e.g., did bernard von nothaus get on front of nyt? why not?

03:23:10 decimation: asciilifeform: good point, also committed lese majeste

03:28:10 decimation: https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/26/bullied-and-badgered-pressured-and-purged/ < many on herr handle's list too

03:28:15 assbot: Bullied and Badgered, Pressured and Purged | Handle's Haus ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGWWQg )

03:28:26 *: asciilifeform has met ^ alive a few times

03:29:02 asciilifeform: but not lately.

03:29:20 asciilifeform: we didn't really hit it off, and possibly also his boss ordered him to stop hanging out with hooligans.

03:29:20 decimation: I haven't met, would like too

03:29:44 decimation: too bad his blog seems dead

03:29:50 asciilifeform: hence (2)

03:30:05 mod6: hmm, weird, getting this error now: net.cpp: In function 'void ThreadOpenConnections2(void*)': net.cpp:1357:23: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope int64 nBest = INT64_MIN;

03:30:15 decimation: he occasionally posts on spandrell's

03:30:34 mod6: anyway, I'll pick this back up tomorrow. getting closer...

03:31:13 asciilifeform: herr handle works, well, you know where, https://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/01/04/a-fifth-column-in-every-pot/#comment-2056

03:31:15 assbot: A Fifth Column In Every Pot | Handle's Haus ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxHgQz )

03:32:57 decimation: heh someone should invite him here

03:33:08 asciilifeform: i doubt he'll show

03:33:55 danielpbarron: there are some people trying to get Bernard to speak at porcfest; not sure how that panned out

03:35:04 asciilifeform: my own personal picture of him is, he isn't 'ideological' usg, but rather a fella who quit a promising academic career to turn soldier, and went half-deaf in afghan, along with devil knows what else; but was then rewarded with lucrative bureaucrat post. he won't be giving it up.

03:35:17 danielpbarron: ah, apparently they sucessfully booked him

03:35:34 decimation: asciilifeform: probably alot of such in usg

03:35:35 danielpbarron: neato; I'll try to talk to this guy

03:35:39 asciilifeform: if herr handle turns up here, it will probably be in the 'ninjashotgun' capacity. so i'd rather he didn't

03:35:46 asciilifeform: let the man keep some dignity

03:38:00 mats: ah, the coveted 'ten point preference'

03:38:15 asciilifeform: mats: he's a lawyer.

03:38:24 asciilifeform: funnily enough.

03:38:27 decimation: I donno, I suspect usg is losing folks in droves

03:38:35 asciilifeform: decimation: the other usg.

03:38:39 asciilifeform: handle's usg is hiring.

03:38:41 mats: ah, assumed civil servant

03:38:43 asciilifeform: and bonusing.

03:38:53 asciilifeform: mats: lawyer employed as civil servant.

03:38:55 decimation: asciilifeform: nah, too hot of a potato

03:39:11 decimation: congress can't be caught doing anything positive for intel these days

03:39:31 asciilifeform: decimation: congress doesn't even sign off on that budget.

03:39:42 asciilifeform: ('intelligence committee' does. and signs like clockwork.)

03:39:45 decimation: lol of course they do

03:39:55 decimation: most of them just don't know what they are signing

03:40:06 asciilifeform: if they knew, they'd have to kill'em (tm) (r)

03:40:34 decimation: asciilifeform: what good can come from a congressman looking into secret stuff?

03:40:37 decimation: best case is nothing

03:40:40 trinque: the "they" that's smart enough to kill 'em is dumb enough to http://betanews.com/2013/01/03/windows-8-is-good-enough-for-the-us-department-of-defense/

03:40:41 assbot: Windows 8 is good enough for the US Department of Defense ... ( http://bit.ly/1GxHI1c )

03:40:41 asciilifeform: 'watchman may not know what is behind the door he is guarding; if he knew - would steal it himself' (tm) (r) (sov army)

03:40:48 decimation: worst case is that they learn something embarassing

03:41:04 trinque: we must be so goddamn tactically weak militarily at this point

03:41:09 trinque: the rot in our economy is surely there as well

03:41:39 asciilifeform: trinque: rot and infinite money, 200k usd office/fellatio assistants not only coexist, but go together like bread/butter

03:41:56 trinque: I'm sure

03:42:08 decimation: heh not on usg salary

03:42:28 decimation: unless they have general's pay

03:42:37 asciilifeform: decimation: intelligence has own pay grade ladder

03:42:52 asciilifeform: classified, and not subject to review except by self

03:42:52 trinque: and "intelligence" with which to make money

03:43:13 asciilifeform: plus access to butterball 'consulting' contracts

03:43:16 asciilifeform: where the actual money is

03:43:55 decimation: no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash

03:45:11 decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NSA-Salaries-E41534.htm < lol

03:45:12 assbot: NSA Salaries | Glassdoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGYUjN )

03:45:27 decimation: doesn't look like big money to me

03:45:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26274 @ 0.00035971 = 9.451 BTC [+]

03:45:46 asciilifeform: big money for folks with humble professions

03:46:02 asciilifeform: (e.g., programmers straight from school, maths grad students, etc)

03:46:07 trinque: about in line with working at a middling software company in portland

03:46:32 asciilifeform: plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc.

03:47:00 asciilifeform: herr handle bragged about keeping kid in day care 'guarded by battalion'

03:47:43 asciilifeform: obligatory: http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Bureaucrat_Song

03:47:44 assbot: Bureaucrat Song - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database ... ( http://bit.ly/1MGZlKN )

03:47:57 trinque: heh!

03:48:53 decimation: lol it might be worth making a burner identity to read these reviews

03:49:35 trinque: with the abovementioned rot, I tend to anticipate the day when some US enemy of the many just turns whatever network-connected weapons we have inward.

03:50:19 trinque: everything the NSA and other unmentioned corruptors have done has made us utterly. weak.

03:51:07 trinque: and I know such systems are supposed to be disconnected from other networks, sure

03:51:18 trinque: like the boeing entertainment system

03:51:39 trinque: nobody ever connects a flash drive at the weapons installations

03:52:01 asciilifeform: trinque: go connect flash drive to pdp-8.

03:52:31 trinque: we're making new weapons-carrying machines all the time

03:52:50 asciilifeform: with 'microvax' (yes)

03:53:01 trinque: maybe they're safer than I think

03:53:05 trinque: I wouldn't mind that being the case.

03:53:15 asciilifeform: the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's

03:53:20 asciilifeform: that is, on vintage iron

03:53:49 decimation: heh "Cons: The management. The lack of parking. The decrepit facilities. The location. The political fallout from recent events."

03:53:50 trinque: thank some god or another for that, then

03:54:15 decimation: doesn't sound like a sinecure to me

03:54:32 decimation: "cons: Process and management inhibit mission. Pay does not match market (as low as 60% of what you can get as a contractor)."

03:55:13 trinque: asciilifeform: still the thing must leak at the level of operational communications

03:55:26 trinque: I suppose that's what the win8 machines were for

03:56:18 decimation: "Very low quality workforce overall. At times NSA employment feels like welfare for ex-military who couldn't get better jobs. Moreover, because there are too many employees, we cannot reward the highest performers with a reasonable salary."

03:57:50 asciilifeform: no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.)

03:58:41 decimation: surely many of them are insane

03:58:58 decimation: otheres have found something interesting to do

03:58:58 trinque: not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life

03:59:02 asciilifeform: having worked in a very obscure usg bureaucracy (one of the many army labs) i will say this - it is a kind of valhalla for folks with own projects / ideas. not because anyone will support these (smoke less crack) but because there is virtually no accountability, management, or actual task

03:59:08 asciilifeform: you can sit there and do mostly whatever.

03:59:19 asciilifeform: for most of the 'staff', this consists of reading porn, yes

03:59:29 asciilifeform: but it is not mandatory

04:00:10 trinque: good place for scientist types to ponder; makes sense

04:00:23 decimation: the trouble is they still must eat

04:00:23 asciilifeform: so long as the thing you like to do can be done in front of a computer in a converted broom closet - you're in heaven.

04:00:31 asciilifeform: until the funding runs out

04:00:37 decimation: one can hardly raise a family in the wash dc area for $80k

04:00:53 asciilifeform: family no, reasonable monastic existence - yes

04:01:09 decimation: yeah, I buy that, good job for someone 'married to work'

04:01:21 asciilifeform: actually not at all

04:01:30 asciilifeform: good job for someone who doesn't give half a flying fuck about work.

04:01:42 decimation: heh good point

04:02:08 decimation: what's conquest's third law?

04:02:16 asciilifeform: didn't require selling soul or keeping secrets, either

04:02:25 asciilifeform: everything we did was printed in academitard rags

04:02:31 decimation: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "

04:03:49 decimation: asciilifeform: that sounds like a nice life, as long as you can work on what you want and aren't bothered by paperwork

04:05:37 asciilifeform: it was.

04:06:07 mats: so what i'm hearing is i should apply to be a clerk at the patent office

04:06:15 asciilifeform: mats: heavens no. they make you work!

04:06:18 asciilifeform: like post office!

04:06:19 decimation: mats: go read glassdoor

04:06:22 asciilifeform: complete with quotas

04:06:27 mats: o

04:06:29 decimation: yeah it's terrible work

04:06:34 asciilifeform: uspto is self-funded

04:06:39 asciilifeform: (like post office.)

04:06:42 decimation: unless you minimize your time there to become a patent lawyer

04:06:46 asciilifeform: bad, bad usg to work for.

04:06:47 trinque: I'm blessed I suppose by seeing software as only incidental to business

04:06:56 trinque: or any other such thing

04:07:01 trinque: I think I'd kill myself at any govt agency

04:07:30 mats: i enjoyed .mil service for this reason

04:07:58 mats: got a lot of college courses and personal projects done in my downtime

04:08:07 asciilifeform: mats: from my perch, it looks more like patent office (i.e. actual work) than the other kind

04:08:28 mats: and during work hours when not out playing fuck fuck games

04:08:28 asciilifeform: what good is downtime if it's in afghan with 300 baud modem-over-dead-goat

04:08:47 trinque: what's a social institution that works for this?

04:09:02 trinque: uber-wealthy king that funds research?

04:09:15 mats: my biggest regret is not going to afghan

04:09:31 mats: should've enlisted sooner

04:09:33 asciilifeform: mats: but presumably not because of the high-quality ways to spend time off work there ?

04:09:45 mats: well no.

04:09:56 decimation: asciilifeform: if stuck on base, you got a burger king, they are apparently universal

04:10:25 asciilifeform: decimation: being locked in a castle where quality food means 'burger king' sounds like my mental picture of jail

04:10:38 mats: lol

04:10:57 mats: i had a whopper this week and couldn't finish it

04:11:09 decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I think that's kinda the idea

04:11:13 trinque: it's not even food.

04:11:19 decimation: your alternative is mystery meat from local orc

04:11:49 asciilifeform: mats: one time when i was out of work for many months, i applied to be a... sysadmin in afghan. but was rejected, with polite letter that 'you gotta already be in the army.' for some reason this was not stated in the wanted ad.

04:12:18 mats: lol

04:12:25 decimation: asciilifeform: actually it would be interesting to be a russian speaker there

04:12:38 mats: where did you find ad? usajobs?

04:12:40 decimation: I bet you would find all kinds of obscure and interesting facts

04:12:46 asciilifeform: decimation: the office next to mine at old work was inhabited by a russian fella. with rank of major.

04:12:54 trinque: heh, I bet the locals would love a russian speaker around.

04:12:56 asciilifeform: (warrant officer, naturally, will never go near a war)

04:13:20 asciilifeform: mats: some snakepit. perhaps one of these. can't recall presently

04:13:40 decimation: major isn't warrant officer, that's field grade

04:13:51 asciilifeform: perhaps i am thinking of wrong term here

04:14:11 asciilifeform: what is it called in usa when you are nominally an officer, but only because you had ph.d. when you put on the uniform

04:14:15 asciilifeform: and never sent to command anything

04:14:34 *: asciilifeform checks dictionary. 'warrant officer'

04:15:08 decimation: heh

04:15:17 decimation: in the army 'warrant officer' is a specific rank

04:15:21 asciilifeform: hm.

04:15:26 mats: asciilifeform: sometimes regular officer

04:15:58 decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_officer_%28United_States%29

04:15:59 assbot: Warrant officer (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MH3G0N )

04:15:59 mats: through 'direct commission' e.g. med corps seeking doctors, nurses, other health professionals

04:16:09 mats: also JAG

04:16:16 decimation: yeah, they are 'officers' mostly in pay scale only

04:16:21 decimation: I think they do a few weeks of basic

04:16:25 asciilifeform: not only pay, but 'caste'

04:16:33 asciilifeform: (e.g., he eats with officers, avoids beatings, etc)

04:16:37 decimation: yeah, still get the 'customs and courtesies'

04:16:40 decimation: lol beatings

04:16:47 asciilifeform: is even permitted to grow fat

04:17:00 mats: ha, yes.

04:17:26 mats: get a 'walking profile' so you don't even hafta run the distance in fitness test.

04:17:50 mats: is a vigorous walk but still... always made me chuckle.

04:17:55 *: asciilifeform wonders where mats met these in the proper army

04:17:57 trinque: my googling suggests it depends on the service

04:18:05 mats: warrant officers

04:18:18 decimation: asciilifeform: I've seen recruiters for medical folks for this kind of position

04:18:32 mats: i spent some time loaned out like lawnmower

04:19:17 asciilifeform: mats: i wonder when usa will adopt the ancient ru tradition of commanders 'borrowing' entire regiments to build their country houses, chop wood, etc.

04:19:59 asciilifeform: i imagine it will materialize when the nominal 'civilian control over army' evaporates

04:20:04 decimation: asciilifeform: they used to do exactly this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapidan_Camp

04:20:05 assbot: Rapidan Camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0BNT8 )

04:20:16 trinque: order of magnitude or so of inflation I'd guess

04:20:28 decimation: "The Marine Corps provided construction labor as a "military exercise."

04:20:34 asciilifeform: l0l

04:20:46 decimation: but that was 1929

04:20:52 asciilifeform: and for potus

04:20:59 decimation: today every labor union in the country would be up in arms

04:21:13 asciilifeform: but not when mexicans build?

04:21:30 asciilifeform: mexicans - 'a-ok' ; soldiers - no ?

04:21:33 decimation: they are a class that is privledged with construction

04:21:36 mats: all the joes would piss and moan, good luck getting anything done when they take smoke breaks every hour

04:21:49 decimation: ^ yeah they probably would do a shit job

04:22:03 decimation: a pro mexican (or in your area salvadoran) framing team can frame a house in a day

04:22:10 asciilifeform: mats: they have not yet invented beating-the-shit-out in u.s. army ?

04:22:24 mats: its a new, softer army

04:22:29 asciilifeform: l0lrmy

04:22:33 decimation: asciilifeform: I think they gave that up in the 90's

04:22:40 mats: old traditions are alive in select groups

04:22:43 *: asciilifeform bbl

04:22:55 mats: ranger regiment does it informally to clear out trash

04:22:59 trinque: I spent a couple summers on air force bases in texas in the jrotc thing

04:23:07 trinque: the officers on base seemed like college bros

04:23:21 trinque: angry, pissy, well dressed college bros, but nonetheless

04:23:24 mats: because they are

04:23:29 trinque: did not enlist

04:23:54 decimation: well, technically officers are commissioned, not enlisted

04:24:11 trinque: did not enofficer either

04:24:28 mats: hes doing it wrong again

04:24:44 decimation: it's all bullshit anyway, why bother with the distinction

04:25:02 decimation: some grunt who has done honest work surely outranks some ditz with a degree in english

04:26:26 mats: dunno that i agree with that

04:26:54 mats: somebody has got to drive the bus and another to read the map

04:27:21 decimation: sure, but in centuries past the distinction was based on nobility vs. commoners

04:27:42 mats: is this not the case?

04:28:24 mats: going to college is a privilege

04:28:28 decimation: heh

04:29:44 decimation: I suppose what I am getting at is that having any kind of distinction at all flies in the face of usg's egalitarian sermonizing

04:31:50 mats: i get it

04:33:11 decimation: actually the fact that usg is weirdly reactionary is probably the only thing holding it together

04:35:20 mats: i do not enjoy this game of catching the falling knife

04:35:36 mats: where i remain resident in US

04:35:53 mats: exciting, yes, healthy, no

04:36:20 *: mats also off

04:55:23 mircea_popescu: "Brian Krebs, who talks about the weird symbiotic relationship he has with the criminal underworld" orly ?

04:55:30 mircea_popescu: can i has break now, plox gimme.

04:56:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158726 <<< yeah, the pact two lamers made to proclaim each other cool is "a done deal". one nobody cares about, shillatron efforts notwithstanding.

04:56:25 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:06:53; asciilifeform: eff lobbyist who tells us that 'wassenar is a done deal, all that can be done is to litigate some of the edges off'

04:58:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158741 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1157787

04:58:25 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:16:13; asciilifeform: e.g., did bernard von nothaus get on front of nyt? why not?

04:58:25 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 13:07:45; mircea_popescu: i will also observe that s.mg launches much awaited bitcoin's mmorpg, usg.agitprop is silent ; "blockstream" launches "much awaited" (by whom ?) nothing at all, the wsj seems compelled to write it up within the hour.

04:59:27 mircea_popescu: "As of 11-JAN-2015, this post has now been read by over 30,000 people." << wrong metric, i guess.

05:01:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness... rp oliver dude was beyond kooky. seriously, soviet conspiraci ?

05:14:41 mircea_popescu: by the way, the history of the "national alliance" is one of the top keks in kook history. so, nazi-like thing created in the 70s by a physics prof. he died cca 2000. appointed successor some random schmuck, who managed to lose pretty much everyone's support over the ensuing decade. some other schmuck eventualy staged a coop. schmuck #1 declares fuhrerprinzip refuses to yield. most of the membership follows schmuck #2,

05:14:42 mircea_popescu: because hey, new schmuck!!11

05:15:27 mircea_popescu: except he gets nabbed for child pr0nz and perhaps underage rape. so organization goes back to schmuck #1, who now quits, because he had just married a stripper and "needs to spend time with his family", presumably servicing the black cock she's bringing home.

05:15:56 mircea_popescu: http://www.erikasnydermakeup.com/about.html << she's now a "freelance make up artist" and none of the schmucks were ever heard from again.

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05:22:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00035971 = 16.0071 BTC [+]

05:31:45 mircea_popescu: 29-MAY-2002: Michel Houellebecq charged with inciting racial hatred for stating, in an interview, that Islam was ?the most stupid of all religions?.

05:31:55 mircea_popescu: lol k. houellebecq is a ways from being purged.

05:32:45 mircea_popescu: fallaci nigh-on got national funerals when she died mid 2000s

05:33:10 mircea_popescu: not a very good list this. a collection of derps (middle school teacher, seriously ?!) and reasonably known people who had little to nothing to do.

05:35:37 mircea_popescu: the import of "derp" is noted tho, good for haus.

05:46:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158770 <<< yeah, hiring, sure. as long as you can put up with being paid in confederate money while being stuck with fastfood management, it's hiring.

05:46:33 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:38:39; asciilifeform: handle's usg is hiring.

05:46:46 mircea_popescu: every pimp in baltimore is hiring on the same terms.

05:46:59 mircea_popescu: job prolly a lot more fun, even without lube.

05:48:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158783 << inb4 "no, the ~OTHER~ DoD". because ya know.

05:48:07 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:40:40; trinque: the "they" that's smart enough to kill 'em is dumb enough to http://betanews.com/2013/01/03/windows-8-is-good-enough-for-the-us-department-of-defense/

05:49:17 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158799 << no, no, the OTHER nsa.

05:49:17 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:45:11; decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/NSA-Salaries-E41534.htm < lol

05:50:29 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158806 << except they're not THAT guaranteed, are they. gotta hope your party wins, for one. other party has its own hangers.

05:50:29 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:46:32; asciilifeform: plus the mega-benefits of guaranteed employment for life, fat pensions, health 'insurances', etc.

05:51:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158807 << yeah, sure, sure. meanwhile something awful lost its head of eve ops irl. no batallion.

05:51:18 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:47:00; asciilifeform: herr handle bragged about keeping kid in day care 'guarded by battalion'

05:51:36 mircea_popescu: i guess they were all busy wiping this guy's kid's nose or something

05:55:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158822 << i can guarantee that no part of the usg does this. the parts that should provably do not. the parts that aren't provable to not, do not actually exist.

05:55:27 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:53:15; asciilifeform: the only reason the nukes have not yet 'wandered off' is that the 'serious' part of usg works the same way as my house, or mircea_popescu's

05:55:40 mircea_popescu: the only thing silence means on this network is that there's actually no machine there.

05:55:50 mircea_popescu: all connected machines - respond. as they shouldn't, myriad ways.

05:56:27 mircea_popescu: the only reason the nukes haven't wandered off is that a) they're not actually flight worthy and b) they're not actually strategically useful.

05:58:44 mircea_popescu: they'll fly off once the attention whores off social media get technically competent enough, which, barring any unemployed 40yo taxi drivers in fuckheadistan, pretty much means never.

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06:02:04 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158827 << contractor schmontractor. all the people that are even half-competent are working for options and warrants, not piddly fucking pay.

06:02:04 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:54:32; decimation: "cons: Process and management inhibit mission. Pay does not match market (as low as 60% of what you can get as a contractor)."

06:02:35 mircea_popescu: a salary is for the office cocksucker and for that twerp who actually sat through ALL FOUR YEARS of computer school.

06:03:01 mircea_popescu: these are not even "bright and brightest" of the 20th percentile.

06:06:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158831 << being a bureaucrat is much like being a housewife. it does, unerringly, without exception, require a broken brain.

06:06:06 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:57:50; asciilifeform: no one ever talks about the 'up side' of being a bureaucrat, but i think it is necessary. otherwise you are stuck believing that these people are clinically insane (they are not.)

06:06:36 mircea_popescu: one who is not mentally retarded can not BE a bureaucrat. they may temporarily work in a bureaucracy, but for short stints and fully loathing it, miller's cosmococcic empire style.

06:07:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158834 << generally speaking, prison's a better deal. sleep ad libitum, for one.

06:07:27 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:58:58; trinque: not that insane to collect a good check and be relatively certain of life

06:07:41 mircea_popescu: how many people do you suppose actually and deliberately go to jail ?

06:12:24 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158924 << not so russian. what the roman army did in between the marian reforms and the utter collapse.

06:12:24 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 04:19:17; asciilifeform: mats: i wonder when usa will adopt the ancient ru tradition of commanders 'borrowing' entire regiments to build their country houses, chop wood, etc.

06:23:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158956 << if only. compare like things : some ditz with a degree in english with some derp with ten years' counterstrike experience

06:23:33 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 04:25:02; decimation: some grunt who has done honest work surely outranks some ditz with a degree in english

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07:25:35 assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 19:41:12; shinohai: Meth, hell of a drug: http://np.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/330c0u/bailey_jay_is_le_proof_inside_woops_i_made_a/

07:31:25 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158555 <<< http://i.imgur.com/sJaLVBR.jpg

07:31:25 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 00:01:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158532 << i've said it before, and will say it again - au is a usg-owned zoolag where they try out new and bleeding-edge idiocies

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11:32:13 scoopbot_revived: MasterCard Requests Regulation Break Bitcoin http://qntra.net/2015/06/mastercard-requests-regulation-break-bitcoin/

12:03:13 jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMo6v_uFZKU wow such whoring. complete with peroxide blonde.

12:03:13 assbot: Spice Girls - Headlines (Friendship Never Ends) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F7Ya0T )

12:09:20 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/dddoEjN.jpg

12:09:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F7YLzB )

12:19:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 2941 @ 0.00239993 = 7.0582 BTC [-] {5}

12:29:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83700 @ 0.0003515 = 29.4206 BTC [-] {2}

12:32:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49754 @ 0.00035086 = 17.4567 BTC [-]

12:42:54 punkman: http://www.zachtronics.com/tis-100/

12:42:56 assbot: Zachtronics | TIS-100 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnX7iP )

12:54:31 wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats

12:54:35 gribble: Current Blocks: 360302 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 561 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 15 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49378249574.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.75851

12:55:21 punkman: http://swedenreport.org/2015/06/02/goodbye-sweden/

12:55:23 assbot: Goodbye Sweden | THE SWEDEN REPORT ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnZ2Ea )

12:59:34 jurov: "american" complains about addition of foreigners? color me surprised

13:09:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00035445 = 13.4691 BTC [+] {2}

13:20:10 funkenstein_: 早上好比特币-财富人 <-- mornin' b-a

13:21:02 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158673 <-- selector for what?

13:21:02 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 00:35:40; asciilifeform: use of linux/bsd is a legal nsa 'selector.' this is publicly known by now.

13:22:29 funkenstein_: so i threw a coin at s.nsa the day of first phuctoring.. can't help but notice that was the last listed volume

13:25:59 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158732 <-- interested parties might follow the story of one Russel Maroon Shoatz

13:25:59 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:11:07; asciilifeform: aha, escaped prisoner is 'affront to the majesty of the law' (tm) (r)

13:28:04 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158798 <-- always bothered me we still use the phrase "private sector" when the bill is paid by the public

13:28:04 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 03:43:55; decimation: no doubt it's the private sector where usg showers it cash

13:32:58 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158990 << last i saw, the 'confederate money' buys a good bit of btc.

13:32:58 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 05:46:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158770 <<< yeah, hiring, sure. as long as you can put up with being paid in confederate money while being stuck with fastfood management, it's hiring.

13:35:11 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158998 << mircea_popescu is posting through a temporal modem from 1870s ? because 'spoils system' in usg civil service is long, long gone. nobody at nsa, usually not even the director (they don't stick around long anyway) worries about which party is in the white house.

13:35:11 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 05:50:29; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158806 << except they're not THAT guaranteed, are they. gotta hope your party wins, for one. other party has its own hangers.

13:36:02 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159000 << what was this ?

13:36:02 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 05:51:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158807 << yeah, sure, sure. meanwhile something awful lost its head of eve ops irl. no batallion.

13:36:54 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159003 << understand, they don't do it through deliberate choice, but inertia. nothing more recent than 'microvax' is (last i heard) approved for 'minuteman' rocket, etc.

13:36:54 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 05:55:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158822 << i can guarantee that no part of the usg does this. the parts that should provably do not. the parts that aren't provable to not, do not actually exist.

13:38:14 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159015 <-- one can simulate such a broken brain with a functional one dontcha think?

13:38:14 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 06:06:06; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158831 << being a bureaucrat is much like being a housewife. it does, unerringly, without exception, require a broken brain.

13:38:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159011 << this has to win some sort of prize for 'martial in atomic dirigible.' EVERYBODY i ever met in usa works for salary. i suppose it follows that neither i nor anyone i know in meatspace is 'even half-competent.'

13:38:16 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 06:02:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158827 << contractor schmontractor. all the people that are even half-competent are working for options and warrants, not piddly fucking pay.

13:38:26 asciilifeform: *martian

13:39:19 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159017 << didja read last night's tale re: how i worked in the ultimate bureaucracy ?

13:39:19 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 06:06:36; mircea_popescu: one who is not mentally retarded can not BE a bureaucrat. they may temporarily work in a bureaucracy, but for short stints and fully loathing it, miller's cosmococcic empire style.

13:39:36 funkenstein_: people say they work only for the money but in fact work is also done because it is worth doing

13:39:56 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i work for the money.

13:40:04 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i also do 'things worth doing' but nobody pays for those

13:40:15 asciilifeform: or is ever likely to.

13:41:24 asciilifeform: i suppose i should clarify, again, that i wasn't speaking of -actually working- as bureaucrat - that is, sitting in meetings, filing reports in triplicate. just that being paid to do, in effect, whatever the fuck you want, is almost like being rich.

13:41:37 asciilifeform: and that you can get this, if lucky, in the bowels of u.s. dod.

13:43:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158992 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159018 << mircea_popescu travelled for years through usa but did not, apparently, discover the caste system we have here. said system explains why you will never see an engineer contemplate 'working with a pimp' or considering whether prison may be a good vacation.

13:43:17 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 05:46:46; mircea_popescu: every pimp in baltimore is hiring on the same terms.

13:43:17 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 06:07:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158834 << generally speaking, prison's a better deal. sleep ad libitum, for one.

13:44:05 asciilifeform: brahmin would demand 'orbital' hazard pay just for -being in the same room- with an untouchable for a few hours.

13:44:09 funkenstein_: allow me to hypothesize that what you do for the money is not totally useless

13:44:26 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i can guarantee you that it is. from the big-picture standpoint.

13:44:37 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: allow me to explain. i work for something quite like an antivirus firm.

13:44:40 funkenstein_: incidentally i have very little luck with this argument in UK

13:45:57 funkenstein_: if one person appreciates what you do, my argument is proven

13:46:25 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i've met folks who 'appreciate' what preet bharara does. and obama. etc

13:46:25 funkenstein_: !up Petit_Dejeuner

13:46:33 funkenstein_: merci gar?on

13:46:35 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: does it follow that they are in 'useful work' ?

13:47:12 funkenstein_: I think so. Cocksuckers have their use.

13:48:43 funkenstein_: what their use is to humanity is another question

13:48:48 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: if you don't grasp the fact that some folks do work which ultimately helps destroy everything that is good and bright, i have very little to say.

13:49:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64520 @ 0.00036405 = 23.4885 BTC [+] {2}

13:50:05 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159076 << you know full well what kind of 'foreigners' sweden is importing, and why.

13:50:05 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 12:59:34; jurov: "american" complains about addition of foreigners? color me surprised

13:50:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38530 @ 0.00036902 = 14.2183 BTC [+]

13:50:37 asciilifeform: standard socialist-flavoured cultural collapse.

13:51:56 funkenstein_: very true, sadly..

13:52:18 funkenstein_: and many of them have been fooled by this whole "work is for the money" nonsense

13:56:27 asciilifeform: how the fuck do i even parse this.

13:59:07 asciilifeform: did funkenstein_ miss the entire collection of threads re: 'the bezzle' (term from galbraith) ? and mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' essay? re: how imbeciles print money like toilet paper, and the only way to afford food & rent in usa is to work for the folks who get first or second dip into the freshly-printed bucket ?

13:59:26 asciilifeform: (to a first approximation)

13:59:40 funkenstein_: no no, sorry I speak to quickly as usual

13:59:43 funkenstein_: *too

14:01:34 funkenstein_: one needs to get the tokens to pay for food and rent, this implies you have something to do with your tokens, not just working "for tokens"

14:02:36 funkenstein_: and we usually need the tide variety

14:02:43 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: there are folks who work for food and roof more or less directly (soldiers, mexican slaves.) it is useful to distinguish the categories.

14:02:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19634 @ 0.00036902 = 7.2453 BTC [+]

14:03:34 funkenstein_: even in that circumstance it is useful to realize one has the option to starve and be homeless, which one should take over some jobs

14:03:47 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: have fun with that

14:04:30 funkenstein_: if you offer me "destroy what is good and bright or be homeless" I will gladly take the latter

14:05:19 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: go, take. if you're gainfully employed in usa, you are almost certainly either one of the destroyers or supplying necessities to those who are.

14:05:28 funkenstein_: Henry Miller goes on and on about his right to starve, rather unconvincingly

14:06:12 asciilifeform: 'in its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.' (tm) (r)

14:07:00 funkenstein_: lol, majestic

14:07:45 funkenstein_: if I were so employed, perhaps I could be a useful mole for you.

14:08:34 funkenstein_: but yeah, sometimes i think even the indirect handling of fiat would put me in the category of destoroyer

14:09:05 funkenstein_: and so I should ask you lords, if this is a pardonable offense

14:09:11 funkenstein_: in all seriousness

14:10:22 lobbes: a lot of people here are in that category. 'if you starve enough' etc

14:10:31 lobbes: I surely am in that category

14:10:37 *: lobbes shrug

14:10:55 lobbes: I like living, though

14:13:11 asciilifeform: in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/63016E43A530350EC983F09A74C50EC8E87FEB92F3DEAC355BE2E64CA7985921

14:13:15 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dwj2bX )

14:13:18 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1dwj2sJ )

14:13:23 asciilifeform: ^^^ where the hell is my ticker ?!

14:14:13 shinohai: another one bites the dust.

14:14:24 asciilifeform: i dare to say these are more interesting than what happened every minute on 'havelock'

14:14:29 asciilifeform: but that's just me

14:14:35 *: kakobrekla agrees.

14:14:36 lobbes: I'd agree

14:46:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119336 @ 0.00036935 = 44.0768 BTC [+] {2}

14:47:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59454 @ 0.00037558 = 22.3297 BTC [+]

14:56:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94296 @ 0.00035948 = 33.8975 BTC [-] {2}

15:29:44 mircea_popescu: cazalla well, dja wanna quit ?

15:30:02 mircea_popescu: i mean, people can quit, it's a job not a conviction.

15:39:41 mircea_popescu: who/what is a bailey jay

15:41:06 mircea_popescu: "So basically I like to follow the philosophy of Toaism and the concept of wei wu wei, the closest English translation apparently is "action without action" which basically means you don't do anything. "

15:41:14 mircea_popescu: and why the fuck do i follow these reddit links even.

15:41:20 mircea_popescu: one in a dozen or so is still too much

15:41:34 mircea_popescu: toaism, aka sitoncouchism.

15:44:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00035086 = 17.9289 BTC [-]

15:44:39 shinohai: http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Pinks-Anal-Brightening-Cream/dp/B007CLTKH4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348978283&sr=8-1&keywords=anal+bleach

15:44:41 assbot: Amazon.com: Dr. Pinks Anal Brightening Cream - Natural Ingredients - No Hydroquinone - All Skin Types,50 ML/1.7 FL OZ: Health & Personal Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ulHD )

15:44:55 mircea_popescu: oooookays

15:45:00 shinohai: "Your asshole is looking a little dingy my dear. Freshen that up, will ya?"

15:45:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159046 <<< juuuust teh fact that mastercard perceives the need to make this case...

15:45:42 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 09:49:38; wyrdmantis: materials for a qntra piece: http://qz.com/423739/mastercard-makes-the-case-that-its-safer-and-faster-than-bitcoin/

15:46:01 mircea_popescu: glwt. housewives everywhere have been making the case that they are safer and faster than hitchhikers

15:46:16 mircea_popescu: who ever fucks a housewife and who ever passed up the chance to wet it in random roadkill ?

15:46:56 *: shinohai will dip his pen in whatever ink presents itself ...

15:48:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159051 <<< ahahahaha fuckwit

15:48:09 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 10:17:47; scoopbot_revived: Bharara Seeks To Prosecute Silk Road Trial Commenters http://qntra.net/2015/06/bharara-seeks-to-prosecute-silk-road-trial-commenters/

15:48:34 mircea_popescu: dude do the stupid go to a special stupid school that makes them self defeating or what the fuck is it

15:49:44 shinohai: Welcome to the land of the free, and the home of "What the actual fuck."

15:56:45 wyrdmantis: !b 2

15:56:45 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2AJ2JRG.txt )

15:59:15 mats: http://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/92943/former-cia-director-were-not-doing-nearly-enough-protect-against-emp-threat << what.

15:59:21 assbot: Former CIA Director: We're Not Doing Nearly Enough To Protect Against The EMP Threat | Peak Prosperity ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4wHGA )

16:04:16 mircea_popescu: trinque wtf happened to teh deedbot yo!

16:04:38 trinque: wut

16:04:42 *: trinque checks

16:04:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt << there you go, a qntra exclusive.

16:04:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4xDuu )

16:06:11 mats: i loled

16:07:10 mircea_popescu: curious how'll they sort this one out.

16:07:31 mircea_popescu: ty!

16:07:37 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt

16:07:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4xDuu )

16:08:25 trinque: too many spaces for teh regex

16:08:37 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt

16:08:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ygEq )

16:08:40 deedbot-: accepted: 1

16:08:42 mircea_popescu: ah ok ty.

16:08:45 trinque: np

16:09:29 mats: i wonder who will be the first to be hanged for #b-a association

16:10:06 mircea_popescu: i wonder how much time will elapse between t1 where we reach hanging parity and t2 when there's 100 usis hangings per historical b-a hanging

16:10:24 mats: hue

16:10:49 mircea_popescu: provided we stop at 100

16:11:01 mircea_popescu: tho it kinda is historically the outer bound of responsibility.

16:11:53 mircea_popescu: moreover, you need better stuff than shit assemblages to not crumble way before any sort of parity is to be had.

16:12:29 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

16:13:10 ascii_field: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt << l0l neato

16:13:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ygEq )

16:14:00 mircea_popescu: no, seriously, i'm curious how the majesty of the turd statue is going to recover from something like that.

16:14:08 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the usual way!

16:14:24 mircea_popescu: no, not really. notice that they knew enough to try and do it in secret.

16:14:25 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916

16:14:25 assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.

16:14:28 mircea_popescu: you know why this is.

16:14:29 ascii_field: ^ that's how

16:14:36 mircea_popescu: oh, so i get legal immunity ?

16:14:37 mircea_popescu: cool.

16:14:43 mircea_popescu: hopefully now the rest of you know how that goes.

16:14:54 ascii_field: the immunity of 'it never happened, move along'

16:15:01 mircea_popescu: coolness.

16:15:05 mircea_popescu: that's all the immunity i ever need.

16:15:11 mircea_popescu: i hope their daughters lubricate well.

16:16:20 ascii_field: their 'daughters' probably have shriveled syphilitic cocks.

16:16:25 ascii_field: (if all else is any indication)

16:16:45 mircea_popescu: all else is never an indication about daughters.

16:18:09 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159189 << ancient scamatron. see, e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-12-2014#951698 (and up a few lines)

16:18:09 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 15:59:15; mats: http://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/92943/former-cia-director-were-not-doing-nearly-enough-protect-against-emp-threat << what.

16:18:09 assbot: Logged on 12-12-2014 00:03:19; asciilifeform: chemically-powered emp bomb is one of those weapons that really fails basic physics, for almost any scenario, but the brass can't ever fall out of love with it

16:20:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159063 << for a moment i expected it'd be gavin accepting some award for spice girls career achievement or something.

16:20:32 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 12:03:13; jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMo6v_uFZKU wow such whoring. complete with peroxide blonde.

16:23:09 mircea_popescu: "But what makes me the most pessimistic about Sweden?s future is how the social fabric itself has been undermined. " << heh. NORDIC SYSTEM!!11

16:23:21 ascii_field: no meat without flies.

16:23:22 mircea_popescu: like the mouse system. "it works for as long as there's cheese to eat".

16:24:11 ascii_field: ^ applies to all living things

16:24:21 mircea_popescu: no. only applies to SOME living things.

16:24:27 mircea_popescu: some other living things make their own cheese.

16:24:40 ascii_field: out of grass

16:24:42 ascii_field: etc

16:25:08 mircea_popescu: do you feel particularly like twenty gallons of ocean water today or something ?

16:25:33 ascii_field: approximately.

16:25:38 mircea_popescu: yes eventually everything applies to all things. in this sense preet's a respectable fellow - hey, how many indians own their own suit ?!

16:25:40 mircea_popescu: nevertheless...

16:26:07 ascii_field: l0l

16:26:15 ascii_field: i really can't help but wonder what motivates the man

16:26:39 ascii_field: torquemada, as i understand, believed in god

16:26:40 mircea_popescu: what motivates all quislings ever ?

16:26:44 ascii_field: what does preet believe in ?

16:26:48 mircea_popescu: a perceived social consensus and low self esteem.

16:26:56 mircea_popescu: doesn't believe in anything, why should he ?

16:27:09 mircea_popescu: there's a minimum bar to belief, and it's "not being made out of pressed shitboard"

16:27:11 mircea_popescu: he doesn't pass it.

16:27:16 ascii_field: because being inquisitor is something like work ?

16:27:22 mircea_popescu: only to you.

16:27:22 ascii_field: folks generally do work for a reason

16:27:30 mircea_popescu: yes. a perceived social consensus and low self esteem.

16:28:37 ascii_field: i'd imagine having men thrown in chains at one's say-so does something for 'self-esteem' ?

16:28:52 mircea_popescu: and you'd be wrong.

16:29:14 mircea_popescu: vast expanses of marble arches do nothing for the self esteem of the slavegirls chained there.

16:29:24 mircea_popescu: yes, it's "their" palace, or in proper words their master's palace.

16:29:48 ascii_field: it isn't clear to me whether preet understands that it isn't 'his' palace

16:29:55 mircea_popescu: right.

16:30:06 mircea_popescu: because self esteem built on self delusion works

16:30:17 mircea_popescu: this is how the us became the most beloved, greatest and best country in the world.

16:30:18 mircea_popescu: herp.

16:32:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159086 << last i saw, you said http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158580

16:32:13 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:32:58; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158990 << last i saw, the 'confederate money' buys a good bit of btc.

16:32:13 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 00:09:38; asciilifeform: if i were to obtain (fell out of airplane, aha) a crate full of benjies, it would do exactly zero for my situation.

16:32:20 mircea_popescu: at some point you'll have to reconcile the two.

16:32:35 ascii_field: nothing to reconcile

16:32:44 ascii_field: the confederate money just needs to be 'legitimated'

16:32:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159088 << was briefly gone. it's coming back, and in a big way. ask around.

16:32:50 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:35:11; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158998 << mircea_popescu is posting through a temporal modem from 1870s ? because 'spoils system' in usg civil service is long, long gone. nobody at nsa, usually not even the director (they don't stick around long anyway) worries about which party is in the white house.

16:33:20 *: ascii_field knows buncha folks working in civil service, not one gives a flying fuck which party is in office

16:33:34 mircea_popescu: are they consulting for $$$ or just taking living wage as zeks ?

16:33:57 ascii_field: both

16:34:02 mircea_popescu: strange.

16:34:13 ascii_field: gotta understand, the dod mega-projects have lifespans of decades and contracted for $maxint in advance

16:34:23 mircea_popescu: and the contractors keep getting shuffled.

16:34:34 ascii_field: as one fella put it explaining to me, 'it doesn't matter if they elect the democrats, republicans, or lesbians. i get paid.'

16:34:38 mircea_popescu: and whether the next budget overrun is going to be ok'd or not is always up in the air

16:34:57 mircea_popescu: and while people might pretend like it's not the case, everyone depends on their contacts and the days of the dual-head contracts are coming to an end

16:35:11 mircea_popescu: (which is what the recent prosecutions around the govt of ny marks)

16:35:47 ascii_field: 'lockheed', 'raytheon', etc. laugh at the budget crap.

16:35:59 ascii_field: they are attached straight to the bezzle reactor core.

16:36:06 mircea_popescu: by what conduit ?

16:36:28 *: ascii_field does not know, has not touched with own hands

16:36:38 ascii_field: i suspect by the conduit of 'we get paid or the lot of you die'

16:36:39 mircea_popescu: again, this is what the coumo associates prosecutions mark. not that it wans't a fact a while before.

16:36:51 mircea_popescu: that conduit is politically vulnerable, whoever has the courts can send the guy up river.

16:37:26 mircea_popescu: which is why i spend my time publicly humiliating bharara rather than "the liberal lion elizabeth warren"

16:37:34 mircea_popescu: or the set of schmucks over at state.

16:37:45 mircea_popescu: either much softer, easier, lulzier targets.

16:38:25 ascii_field: wake me up when there's a humiliated rockefeller.

16:38:32 mircea_popescu: uh

16:38:49 mircea_popescu: what, seriously ? that's your golden standard ?!

16:38:59 ascii_field: nah just snap example

16:39:19 ascii_field: rothchild, if you like more

16:39:32 mircea_popescu: bad one, eh. what was the entire "we will herd you over at wh and tell you where to donate your money - it's not confiscation btw" episode than this ?

16:39:42 mircea_popescu: all the young schmucks enthusiastically approving the obamaplans.

16:39:52 ascii_field: that was done to middle class

16:40:07 mircea_popescu: no, it was done to a collection of "scions" of rockefeller and rotschild and the like.

16:40:09 ascii_field: rockefeller - laughs.

16:40:12 mircea_popescu: orly.

16:40:46 mircea_popescu: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/20/fashion/white-house-hosts-next-generation-young-and-rich.html << to make sure we're on same page here.

16:40:49 assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1wfaZ )

16:40:49 ascii_field: mircea_popescu argues that -all of these folks- are in 'we'll show you what to sign, herr hindenburg' mode ?

16:41:19 mircea_popescu: no.

16:41:42 ascii_field: so there we go. the remaining ones are our $rothchilds

16:41:49 mircea_popescu: they're in "we thank the party for its great idea to make an orphanage in our ex country house - we would have done the same if we were as smart as it" mode

16:41:58 ascii_field: ah same thing

16:42:00 mircea_popescu: and there's no remaining ones, except for this place.

16:42:12 mircea_popescu: i guess similar thing yeah ok

16:42:31 ascii_field: what of saud? brunei ?

16:42:49 mircea_popescu: if you go abroad it gets complicated.

16:42:56 ascii_field: or let's try the zaibatsus

16:44:20 mircea_popescu: there's a large contingent of liberts (such as bharara, on the bureaucratic side, such as http://qntra.net/2015/01/pierre-omidyar-also-started-a-qntra-back-in-october-his-failed/ on the accounting side etc)

16:44:21 assbot: Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWduTt )

16:44:31 mircea_popescu: freed slaves with "a lot of money" or "power" or "influence"

16:44:46 mircea_popescu: usually castrated prior to their ascension and torn to pieces by the crowd after.

16:45:18 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

16:45:45 ascii_field: freed slaves aha.

16:46:04 mircea_popescu: they're cheap.

16:46:10 mats: http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/my-minilock-concerns

16:46:11 assbot: Jacob Torrey - My MiniLock Concerns ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWdN0p )

16:46:12 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-05-2015#1130032 << related

16:46:12 assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 05:12:34; decimation: heh there are amusing layers here > "In 1854, when sculptor Thomas Crawford was preparing models for sculpture for the United States Capitol, Secretary of War Jefferson Davis (later to be the President of the Confederate States of America) insisted that a Phrygian cap not be included on a Statue of Freedom, on the grounds that "American liberty is original and not the liberty of the freed slave". "

16:46:12 mircea_popescu: which is the point of all the immigration

16:47:13 ascii_field: mats: gotta love the shitgnomatic pgptrons and truecryptrons

16:47:25 ascii_field: 'easy to use!! no keys files!!!'

16:47:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_field there's a bit to go with that : the more or less official hymn of the romanian revolution, which is this thing : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkI42zPuH7w (very neener tune, incidentally, much like the argentine's favourite thing - and btw those guys put the cap everywhere)

16:47:44 assbot: Imnul golanilor - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWe0kn )

16:47:51 mats: if you put enough secret sauce in there, maybe no one will want to taste it

16:47:56 ascii_field: aha the damned cap is everywhere

16:48:05 mircea_popescu: it goes "better a hooligan than a communist" etc, and it specifically says "we do not wish for original liberty and other lies"

16:48:08 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: didja know, even u.s. senate has it in their logo ?

16:48:15 ascii_field: and (at least formerly) u.s. army ?

16:48:16 mircea_popescu: the notion that anyone can have a peculiar, different, original liberty...

16:48:45 mircea_popescu: mats myeah, exactly.

16:48:46 ascii_field: mats: if i were fuhrer, i'd fire these louts. the crap isn't even -trying- to be plausible !

16:49:02 mircea_popescu: "the limit on open source is the open sourcer's willingness and ability to read code - so put more code in there!11"

16:49:21 mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you were fuhrer we wouldn't be at war in the first place.

16:49:23 scoopbot_revived: Space travel isn't for you. There are no virgins there either. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/space-travel-isnt-for-you-there-are-no-virgins-there-either/

16:49:42 mircea_popescu: the only reason we're here is that they're too stupid to understand they need to negotiate, and yesterday, or for that matter to correctly evaluate their hand

16:50:54 ascii_field: https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-June/007785.html << mega-l0lz

16:50:56 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWeuqH )

16:51:47 ascii_field: aaaand

16:51:48 ascii_field: https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-June/007774.html

16:51:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWeE19 )

16:51:55 ascii_field: 'Fwd: [Cryptography] Did Intel just execute its warrant canary ?'

16:52:05 mats: ^silliness

16:52:25 mircea_popescu: ahahaah wait, INTEL had a warrant canary ?

16:52:27 mircea_popescu: wtf is this roflmao

16:52:35 mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper

16:52:38 ascii_field: hey, if apple could

16:52:40 ascii_field: why not intel

16:52:45 ascii_field: 'right hand bites left hand'

16:52:46 mircea_popescu: because intel's not cool.

16:52:58 mircea_popescu: you understand ? beria may rape women off the street.

16:53:20 mircea_popescu: the hero of the soviet union, marshall zhukov... no.

16:53:41 ascii_field: now this one's a definite yes.

17:00:38 ascii_field: mats: http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/my-minilock-concerns << i -still- insist that if your brainwallet is crackable, you are a moron

17:00:39 assbot: Jacob Torrey - My MiniLock Concerns ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWfQkY )

17:00:45 ascii_field: it is the ultimate 'iq test'

17:00:50 ascii_field: with instant results

17:01:10 mircea_popescu: iam not so convinced.

17:01:22 ascii_field: tests mental nimbleness, originality, memory, everything which makes someone worthy contender

17:01:43 mircea_popescu: let's work this out. ascii_field would you agree that the mental cost PER UNIT of generating five random bytes is larger than generating six ?

17:01:53 mircea_popescu: ie, that the marginal cost monotonically increases ?

17:02:02 ascii_field: this is mistaken right off the bat

17:02:07 mats: it can't be that hard

17:02:09 ascii_field: they don't need to be generated on the spot

17:02:11 mats: i use a memory palace

17:02:15 ascii_field: ^^^

17:02:39 mircea_popescu: ok, we can aproach this one too.

17:02:45 ascii_field: perhaps i generated it when i was 5 y.o.

17:02:52 mircea_popescu: mats would you agree that your palace is standing ?

17:03:07 mats: not sure where we're going with this, but ok

17:03:09 mats: yes

17:03:44 mircea_popescu: did i just make a prediction about your palace ?

17:04:25 mats: no.

17:04:28 mircea_popescu: ...

17:04:53 mats: perhaps i am not the right stand-in for this conversation...

17:05:03 mircea_popescu: perhaps.

17:05:24 mircea_popescu: i dun really think so tho.

17:05:46 ascii_field: go guess a bi- or tri- lingual macaronic poem that some fella wrote in his head as a boy.

17:06:05 *: ascii_field ^ not my key, for what it's worth. but example.

17:06:37 mircea_popescu: ascii_field but it was written in a language nevertheless, right ?

17:06:44 ascii_field: macaronic

17:06:49 mircea_popescu: and the argument here isn't about "guessing", it's about reducing entropy.

17:06:50 ascii_field: so, in this example, at least two languages

17:07:03 mircea_popescu: even so. constraints are present.

17:07:08 mircea_popescu: you wouldn't stand for this in your cardano rng.

17:07:13 ascii_field: i can 'reduce entropy' of mircea_popescu's pgp key by telling that the factors are odd. what of it.

17:07:19 ascii_field: still doesn't reduce it -usefully-

17:07:31 mircea_popescu: this obviously will only be verified in practice

17:07:37 ascii_field: it is certain to be.

17:07:38 mircea_popescu: as it's now an utility rather than a math argument

17:08:23 ascii_field: as it is, i would not trust serious coin, were i to have any, to anything other than brainwallet operated with optical keyboard connected to soviet z80.

17:08:30 ascii_field: in dark room.

17:08:47 ascii_field: (proper rng for the nonces, naturally)

17:09:10 mircea_popescu: oic

17:09:11 mircea_popescu: k

17:09:29 ascii_field: this is the -real- difference between btc and gold

17:09:34 ascii_field: go and store gold in your brain.

17:10:26 *: ascii_field can even imagine 'disposable' computer for operating brainwallets. thermite brick after each transaction signature.

17:10:38 ascii_field: hey, z80 is cheap!

17:10:43 ascii_field: go look, 'ebay'

17:10:51 ascii_field: $1 or so from hong kong

17:11:43 ascii_field: so no, i have no patience for the 'brainwallets suck because you are stupid' argument.

17:13:03 ascii_field: incidentally, most people are already using the worst aspects of brainwallet -and- conventional crypto

17:13:05 mircea_popescu: brainwallets provedly suck in te general case

17:13:10 mircea_popescu: and i have my doubts about the particular case.

17:13:19 ascii_field: in that they keep multiple copies of their key around on the planet (or worse, don't)

17:13:33 ascii_field: and hence the location of key, and any symmetric decrypt password to it, -is- the brainwallet

17:14:45 ascii_field: i am not sold on the 'probably suck' bit.

17:14:49 ascii_field: *provably

17:15:10 mircea_popescu: but you've seen the general public lose btc to weak "brainwallets" ?

17:15:17 mircea_popescu: that's "the general case", what you tell urmom to do

17:15:17 ascii_field: yes

17:15:23 ascii_field: and i don't give a fuck about general public

17:15:33 ascii_field: general public cannot and must not operate reactors

17:15:39 mircea_popescu: aha well k then

17:15:39 ascii_field: or cut own appendix

17:15:54 ascii_field: reactor man - operates reactor. surgeon - appendix.

17:16:00 mircea_popescu: the entire thing was mostly about instructing the bitcoin-lemmings (peeps who think themselves "the community") about where to not step on the tiger.

17:16:09 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:19:36 ascii_field: my point is that everyone here is either using brainwallet in some form already (backup of your key in a postbox in japan, symmetrically encrypted with pw in your brain, and postbox # also in your brain) OR is one stint in pow camp away from 'civil death' (total loss of key)

17:20:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56729 @ 0.00035435 = 20.1019 BTC [+]

17:20:47 ascii_field: so it is not a question of whether to use brainwallets - but whether to -also- use permanent copies of keys !

17:21:57 ascii_field: i would also like to point out that framing the question of key quality in terms of 'bits of entropy' is slightly misleading

17:22:09 ascii_field: because there are two kinds of 'entropy' here

17:22:21 ascii_field: one kind of the strictly-quantifiable varieties (kolmogorov, shannon, etc)

17:22:31 ascii_field: the other is actual 'guessability by enemy', a more nebulous thing

17:22:48 ascii_field: my favourite example is 'digits of pi', which max out (1) while being rock bottom on (2)

17:23:22 ascii_field: most defective (or subverted) electronic rng have similar property

17:23:52 ascii_field: 128 bits from first 1 petabyte of digits of pi will be guessed

17:24:08 ascii_field: 128 bits by a clever child in three languages - never

17:24:20 ascii_field: even if kolmogorov complexity of both is equal.

17:24:44 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i can see that angle.

17:24:49 ascii_field: i urge mircea_popescu to eat some top ice cream and think of this.

17:24:54 mircea_popescu: "machine-empowered brainwallet"

17:25:19 ascii_field: machine is bonus. can hash on paper if you must.

17:25:23 mircea_popescu: the disagreement mostly stems from definitions tho. what people mean when they say "don't use brainwallets for you are stupid" mostly reduces to redditard going on brainwallet.org

17:25:24 ascii_field: (then - burn it.)

17:27:54 ascii_field: i normally presume 'fella knowing what he's doing' as the subject of my ruminations.

17:28:06 ascii_field: rather than 'will mr lamer shoot himself in the foot and blow away his entire torso'

17:43:04 mircea_popescu: unsafe presumption :D

17:52:52 mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper

17:52:57 mircea_popescu: !up referredbyqntra

17:53:15 referredbyqntra: Thanks MP

17:53:18 mircea_popescu: aha

17:54:10 referredbyqntra: http://dpaste.com/1MXJF0H Popehat or rather CloudFlare banning gpg content

17:54:11 assbot: dpaste: 1MXJF0H ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqkqtN )

17:54:31 referredbyqntra: That's the response when I try to put your declaration in there.

17:54:39 mircea_popescu: haha mmmmkay

17:55:49 referredbyqntra: I tried with and without link to deedbot.org but it barfs the same. Maybe allergic to -----

17:55:53 mircea_popescu: makes sense.

17:56:24 mircea_popescu: then again, this is kinda why we don't give a shit about the lot of them.

17:56:55 referredbyqntra: I see.

18:00:08 thestringpuller: i wonder how much irc traffic is referred by qntra/loper/fraudsters to here

18:00:14 BingoBoingo: So much log

18:08:04 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt << there you go, a qntra exclusive. << To write up or paste verbatim?

18:08:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoU1ei )

18:08:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ah, not necessarily either, at your disposal.

18:21:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.015 = 1.5 BTC [+]

18:21:01 scoopbot_revived: Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/

18:24:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39746 @ 0.00036001 = 14.309 BTC [+]

18:27:03 mircea_popescu: poor reddit, stuck with this sad situation where it doesn't matter, and the people doing things are the people it hates.

18:27:12 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> mats would you agree that your palace is standing ? << My memory palace doesn't abide by such quaint physical conventions

18:27:25 mircea_popescu: yeah but he doesn't drink as much :D

18:27:52 mats: pot arguably rots the brain moar

18:28:18 mircea_popescu: the penis too

18:28:48 mats: o rly

18:28:52 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo mircea_popescu the text on that last qntra piece is overflowing instead of wrapping. it's broked.

18:29:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71700 @ 0.00036001 = 25.8127 BTC [+]

18:29:15 mircea_popescu: prolly code element not playing well with long lines huh

18:29:24 mircea_popescu: or pre or whatever's used

18:29:50 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: What browser?

18:30:29 BingoBoingo: wraps on all my browsers

18:30:40 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo ah, seems to be safari-specific

18:30:46 pete_dushenski: serves me right !

18:31:01 BingoBoingo: Fuck safari if safari can't implement web standards

18:32:17 BingoBoingo: This isn't even derpy HTML5OMGWTFBBQBUTTSEX, this is simple fucking text presentation

18:33:36 mircea_popescu: odd huh.

18:33:41 pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/08/g7-leaders-agree-phase-out-fossil-fuel-use-end-of-century? << look who's going back to the stone age. da g7 !

18:33:42 assbot: G7 leaders agree to phase out fossil fuel use by end of century | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoZ7XY )

18:33:52 mircea_popescu: "the interwebs doesn't worx ? oh, you must be on a different browser"

18:34:20 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski feelings fusion to provide free energy soon

18:34:46 pete_dushenski: also soon : mars colonisation

18:35:02 pete_dushenski: because it works in theory.

18:35:57 BingoBoingo: Behold the glorious CSS which makes the <pre> text wrap: http://dpaste.com/19Q4G0T

18:35:58 assbot: dpaste: 19Q4G0T ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqpLkI )

18:36:49 BingoBoingo: Mozilla 1999, IE 5.5+, Opera since version 4, also works on Chromium and Midori that I tested

18:38:24 mircea_popescu: cool

18:39:29 BingoBoingo: It is literally THE CSS snippet used everywhere to make <pre> text wrap. And safari chokes on it?

18:40:34 pete_dushenski: like apple's ceo chokes on it. yes.

18:43:09 mircea_popescu: Prior to this years HOPE conference, a few articles appeared touting Nadim Kobeissi's new project, miniLock and him and I got into a heated debate regarding some issues that I, as a certified non-cryptographer, was concerned about in his design (at least what I could gather from it from the pre-release Wired article). The essence of my concerns boiled down to the fact that in miniLock, Nadim is using the human user as

18:43:10 mircea_popescu: the sole source for entropy in the ECC key generation. At the time of the debate, Nadim suggested I wait until the big unveiling at HOPE to pass judgement as he had some research into secure human-generated pass-phrases that he was going to share.

18:43:12 mircea_popescu: HOPE was last weekend (I didn't go) and finally the design specification has been posted along with the audited code. It appears that my initial concerns were warranted, each key is generated directly from the user's pass-phrase with no salt, thus leaving the true amount of entropy in the key generation process highly unknown.

18:43:16 mircea_popescu: bwahaha o gawd.

18:46:37 mircea_popescu: and yet the guy ends his very apt article with "You can also find me on Twitter and GitHub."

18:47:01 mircea_popescu: why ? what exactly is the value of 2k followers that he would use the irreproducible value of his intellectual output to prop up twitter ?

18:48:05 mircea_popescu: more interestingly, facebook has had it's "turner buys myspace" moment, a while back. the only way it's going now is to that same 99.999% "value" drop. so did twitter. recently, so did github. the process of packaging the ignorant vouches of the average imbecile, selling them and running off has completed with facebook.

18:48:34 mircea_popescu: the process of packaging the ignorant vouches of your average 20something aspie "young professional" / marketing expert slut idem, with twitter.

18:48:48 mircea_popescu: finally, the ignorant vouches of random geek has been sold, in github. what's left ?

18:49:01 mircea_popescu: the empire's running out of shit to pretend like it stole.

18:50:22 mircea_popescu: maybe instead of phasing out "fossil fuels" the g7 tards should get together and phase out the pretense of gargle-economy.

18:51:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159090 ;;google Sean Smith

18:51:02 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:36:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159000 << what was this ?

18:53:12 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159094 << it's not merely that i don't think. i know they can not. you try simulating a limp with working legs, see where it gets you.

18:53:12 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:38:14; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159015 <-- one can simulate such a broken brain with a functional one dontcha think?

18:53:28 mircea_popescu: (and yes, i know these things from experience - i have the benefit that i can order slave girls do anything.)

18:54:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.

18:54:56 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:38:16; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159011 << this has to win some sort of prize for 'martial in atomic dirigible.' EVERYBODY i ever met in usa works for salary. i suppose it follows that neither i nor anyone i know in meatspace is 'even half-competent.'

18:56:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu current best theory is that 'gargleconomy' will generate enough heat to keep homes warms in the winter and enough feelgoodery to keep bellies full year-round.

18:56:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159105 << no. being rich is not like that. being rich is like having the power to alter the course of the world, and the responsibility therein incumbent.

18:56:49 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:41:24; asciilifeform: i suppose i should clarify, again, that i wasn't speaking of -actually working- as bureaucrat - that is, sitting in meetings, filing reports in triplicate. just that being paid to do, in effect, whatever the fuck you want, is almost like being rich.

18:57:01 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski hey, it did it once or twice before...

18:57:15 mircea_popescu: to quote the pawnbroker, "more like a stench, if i remember"

18:57:31 pete_dushenski: quite so.

18:58:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159107 << you're right, i have very little patience and give very little credit to the affectations of people. the usians are not special in this regard - like i don't give a shit for the argentines' or the romanians', similarly i don't give a shit there.

18:58:07 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:43:17; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158992 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159018 << mircea_popescu travelled for years through usa but did not, apparently, discover the caste system we have here. said system explains why you will never see an engineer contemplate 'working with a pimp' or considering whether prison may be a good vacation.

18:58:10 mircea_popescu: caste schmaste.

18:58:14 pete_dushenski: and being rich is most definitely not waking up at 7am every day to fill out paperwork and have coffee with a gaggle of geese

18:58:31 pete_dushenski: which is what bureaucracy is.

18:58:59 mircea_popescu: if the geese have nice tits...

18:59:54 mircea_popescu: how's canada pimpin' these days btw ?

19:00:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu quite well !

19:00:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159107 << why shouldn't the poor blacks get some cheese ?

19:00:38 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:43:17; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1158992 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159018 << mircea_popescu travelled for years through usa but did not, apparently, discover the caste system we have here. said system explains why you will never see an engineer contemplate 'working with a pimp' or considering whether prison may be a good vacation.

19:00:40 pete_dushenski: summer is here at long, long last

19:00:45 mircea_popescu: what, it hath been ordained for the "nordicx systems" only ?

19:01:00 mircea_popescu: uh wrong url. i meant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159124

19:01:00 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 13:50:05; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159076 << you know full well what kind of 'foreigners' sweden is importing, and why.

19:04:01 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:04:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98400 @ 0.00036128 = 35.55 BTC [+] {2}

19:05:52 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159506 << 'highly unknown' ?!?!

19:05:52 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 18:43:12; mircea_popescu: HOPE was last weekend (I didn't go) and finally the design specification has been posted along with the audited code. It appears that my initial concerns were warranted, each key is generated directly from the user's pass-phrase with no salt, thus leaving the true amount of entropy in the key generation process highly unknown.

19:06:07 mircea_popescu: i agree, it is.

19:06:45 ascii_field: i just love the weird twist of the tongue - symptom of some mental fissure, surely

19:07:47 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159515 << ah, him. i think diametric knew the fellow. ask'im

19:07:47 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 18:51:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159090 ;;google Sean Smith

19:08:19 mircea_popescu: no need to ask nething really, it's all on public record.

19:08:20 mircea_popescu: no batallion.

19:08:39 ascii_field: battalion for some, for others - free burial

19:08:46 mircea_popescu: this doesn't work as a theory.

19:09:02 mircea_popescu: otherwise we'd still be on the pre-copernican astronomy.

19:09:09 mircea_popescu: "revolution for some - ??? for others!"

19:09:39 mircea_popescu: i can guarantee the schmuck in question had no "batallion", on the plain grounds that there isn't such a thing.

19:09:53 mircea_popescu: the reason the potus "security" is such circus is exactly the reason oprah's pay is so advertised :

19:10:09 mircea_popescu: to cover for the fact that i can go into the chambers of the ny comissioner for finance, and rape him.

19:10:26 ascii_field: go steal mr o's 'football' then

19:10:32 ascii_field: ought to be a convincing argument.

19:10:36 ascii_field: esp. if it works.

19:10:38 mircea_popescu: it does not trickle down.

19:11:07 mircea_popescu: mr o's "football"'s security protects you, bharara, forrest and cuomo just as much

19:11:10 mircea_popescu: which is to say not at all.

19:11:25 mircea_popescu: the only true universal equality, the equality to zero.

19:13:03 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159517 << again it is very easy to simulate the limp if -no one if checking- and it is enough to say 'yeah i limp' see the bureaucracy thread.

19:13:03 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 18:53:12; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159094 << it's not merely that i don't think. i know they can not. you try simulating a limp with working legs, see where it gets you.

19:13:16 mircea_popescu: it dun work thatway.

19:13:16 ascii_field: *if no one is

19:13:52 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it worked great. they pay you, and you sit in a broom closet and mostly do whatever.

19:14:01 mircea_popescu: worked, yes.

19:14:09 mircea_popescu: in the past. always in the past tense, this.

19:14:37 ascii_field: well, i personally only witnessed ~3 yrs of it, on account of the garden of eden having went under

19:14:54 mircea_popescu: which was in no way related to any politics

19:14:57 mircea_popescu: it just.... happened.

19:15:00 ascii_field: (i personally was only in it by accident, and one cannot replicate an accident)

19:15:07 mircea_popescu: aha.

19:15:32 shinohai: *one cannot replicate an accident

19:15:51 ascii_field: did not say 'this is a mega-system that will last 10,000 years and build many fine pyramids.' but was trying to explain why a thinking person might voluntarily work for usg somewhere

19:16:22 mircea_popescu: and the explanation comes out to "any girl can get so horny one night she fucks a dog"

19:16:24 mircea_popescu: sure.

19:16:50 ascii_field: because per -hour of Actual Work- they demand, you get $10,000.

19:17:04 ascii_field: and yes, not at post office

19:17:07 ascii_field: or patent office

19:17:15 ascii_field: but .mil

19:18:42 fluffypony: !up hegemoOn

19:18:42 ascii_field: and yes, this reduces to 'mouse economy', lasts while there is cheese

19:18:51 hegemoOn: hello there

19:19:09 hegemoOn: i wanted to share this arxiv.org research paper on bitcoin : http://arxiv.org/abs/1506.01513

19:19:10 assbot: [1506.01513] Social signals and algorithmic trading of Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1FSBr9Q )

19:19:33 hegemoOn: pretty fresh (4 june 2015)??

19:20:01 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159520 << l0l mircea_popescu, last i checked i was paying rent with usd, 100% of which comes from the fine fella i work for at $dayjob.

19:20:01 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 18:54:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.

19:20:32 mircea_popescu: ascii_field unrealised income is not for that reason automatically not income.

19:20:37 mircea_popescu: accounting's a fascinating field.

19:20:46 mircea_popescu: hegemoOn written by whom ?

19:20:57 hegemoOn: David Garcia, Frank Schweitzer

19:21:05 *: ascii_field engineer not accountant. so can't say 'submarine is powered by future energy.' it has to be powered by what is aboard.

19:21:09 mircea_popescu: never heard of 'em.

19:21:33 hegemoOn: Chair of Systems Design, ETH Zurich

19:21:35 hegemoOn: Weinbergstrasse 56/58, 8092 Zurich, Switzerland

19:21:55 mircea_popescu: whatevs.

19:22:16 mircea_popescu: let the man learn enough about how to use a computer to get a gpg sig and register it with the bot.

19:22:30 mircea_popescu: until that day, he can continue playing with the xbox or w/e it is he's doing.

19:22:32 hegemoOn: whom ???

19:22:37 shinohai: hue

19:23:06 mircea_popescu: either david garcia or frank whoever, chair of whatever else.

19:23:19 mircea_popescu: you were under the impression they're adults or something ?

19:23:32 hegemoOn: mircea_popescu: i think most of bitcoin trade are outside wot :)

19:23:47 mircea_popescu: you'd think that, sure.

19:24:06 mircea_popescu: most africans thing the world is africa, for that matter, and so outside of the world.

19:24:13 hegemoOn: but if you are not interested i can understand, just wanted to share a good paper :)

19:25:34 mircea_popescu: !gettrust hegemoOn

19:25:37 assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=hegemoOn | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/hegemoOn/

19:25:45 mircea_popescu: why's it good ?

19:26:09 mircea_popescu: so many people trying to matter in bitcoin "on their own terms" producing so much junk that's - to them, no doubt - meaningful and important that's not worth reading

19:26:21 mircea_popescu: what's so special about this one that made you click ? start with that part.

19:26:37 mircea_popescu: on its own strength, two kids pulling their dicks in zurich aren't worth the time of day.

19:27:22 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159523 << being rich, in my cosmography, simply means that your time is your own to do with as you please. everything else (starting wars, producing great inventions, etc.) is a cherry on the cake.

19:27:22 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 18:56:49; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159105 << no. being rich is not like that. being rich is like having the power to alter the course of the world, and the responsibility therein incumbent.

19:27:42 mircea_popescu: it dun work like that, not really.

19:28:09 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it dun work thatway. << easy enough to give onself an actual limp for arbitrary periods of time.

19:28:10 ascii_field: pray tell, how not?

19:28:30 ascii_field: all i personally want out of a hypothetical 'be rich' is for my daylight hours to belong to me and only me

19:28:45 ascii_field: with all else - constant

19:28:55 mircea_popescu: take the sexual metaphor. sure, sexual freedom would supperficially appear to be that situation where "the cunt;'s your own to do as you please". however, the cunt so liberated from a context wherein cocks make demands upon it is not in any sense something for you to do as you please, it's just a painful bit of bleeding garbage enbittering your existence.

19:29:14 ascii_field: ^ i find this example utterly opaque

19:29:17 mircea_popescu: (note that this example is gender-invariant)

19:29:18 ascii_field: is it just me ?

19:29:21 mircea_popescu: hm

19:29:44 mircea_popescu: ok, something else then.

19:30:18 mircea_popescu: horse's notion of freedom is "the ability to run where it will". nevertheless, absent a ground to push him up and an atmosphere to push him down, the horse's freedom's not quite what he imagined, but rather painful if short an affair.

19:30:36 mircea_popescu: or, if you prefer, that chinese story where cocklet in love wished the entire world went away and was left with just his darling

19:30:47 mircea_popescu: only to wish the world back into the picture piecemeal as the clock ticked seconds away

19:30:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu is trying to convince the horse not of the necessity of the ground, but of the yoke

19:30:58 *: ascii_field is an entirely unconvinced horse

19:30:58 mircea_popescu: no such thing.

19:31:38 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> mircea_popescu is trying to convince the horse not of the necessity of the ground, but of the yoke << Once free of yoke it becomes necessary to "protect your neck" to keep the yoke away

19:31:53 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: this is compiled into my definition of 'freed'

19:32:07 mircea_popescu: well then your definition of freed is compiled on gcc

19:32:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84683 @ 0.00036257 = 30.7035 BTC [+] {2}

19:34:09 hegemoOn: can someone explain me what assbot just said ?

19:34:18 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:34:44 BingoBoingo: hegemoOn: assbot tickered a transaction on the tapeophone

19:37:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how much 'freed' is achievable by mortals can be debated, but i'd settle for mircea_popescu-grade 'freed.'

19:37:49 hegemoOn: BingoBoingo: what kind of asset is it mpoe ?

19:37:57 mircea_popescu: it comes with an obligation, unenforced but nevertheless perceived, to for instance http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159202

19:37:57 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 16:08:37; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/preet.txt

19:38:05 mircea_popescu: is that a yoke ? if not, why not.

19:38:23 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get it, 'heavy is the crown' etc

19:38:32 mircea_popescu: heavy is the frigian cap more like it.

19:38:41 ascii_field: i'll take that 'heavy'

19:38:49 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

19:38:49 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00034281 / 0.00036145 / 0.00037646 (3520048 shares, 1,272.34 BTC), 7D: 0.00031083 / 0.00034987 / 0.00037646 (42475653 shares, 14,861.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00023904 / 0.00030515 / 0.00037646 (139278699 shares, 42,501.20 BTC)

19:38:51 mircea_popescu: alrighty then. so apparently alf is a very convinced horse ?

19:38:59 BingoBoingo: ^ hegemoOn that one

19:39:05 ascii_field: crown != yoke

19:39:09 mircea_popescu: orly.

19:39:17 hegemoOn: it's a "futur" ?

19:39:22 lobbes: still, you have the freedom to throw the crown off and sit on thumbs for a year

19:39:26 BingoBoingo: hegemoOn: It's a stock

19:39:26 mircea_popescu: hegemoOn do they have google in your country ?

19:39:27 ascii_field: ^^

19:39:39 hegemoOn: mircea_popescu: no just yahoo

19:39:49 mircea_popescu: lol

19:39:55 ascii_field: if mircea_popescu wanted to, he could vanish from the map and spend the rest of his existence in the company of ice cream, gurlz, and theorems

19:39:59 BingoBoingo: hegemoOn: Look at that 30 day volume though

19:40:09 mircea_popescu: lobbes sure. and in exchange, should you choose to do that, you get to see how they're "phasing out" grassland

19:40:14 mircea_popescu: or whatever the shit they come up with next.

19:40:31 mircea_popescu: sitting on thumbs and stroking cocks over "FOSS!111" has resulted in pretty much unusable software.

19:40:33 thestringpuller: "Even as an avid Bitcoiner, I can't stand waiting for bitcoinqt to sync. Makes me wonder if Gavin/Mike sabotaged it." via https://twitter.com/BitcoinErrorLog/status/608621825703223296

19:40:59 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely certain that 'we' (en masse) -ever- had 'usable software'

19:41:28 mircea_popescu: ms-dos worked.

19:41:33 trinque: ascii_field | if mircea_popescu wanted to, he could vanish from the map and spend the rest of his existence in the company of ice cream, gurlz, and theorems << and meanwhile they're making theorems illegal

19:41:35 mircea_popescu: and it WAS open source.

19:41:47 mircea_popescu: aha trinque gets it

19:42:15 ascii_field: ms-dos was not asked to do very much. at least, at first. but i still remember screwing with qemm, xms, etc. towards the last years.

19:42:18 ascii_field: it wasn't fun

19:42:37 lobbes: and meanwhile they're making theorems illegal << just keep running? debatable if that is true freedom, but arguably you wouldn't run out of places to run before end of life

19:42:56 mircea_popescu: lobbes this is EXACTLY what wall street has tried, 1945 - 2015

19:43:14 mircea_popescu: if you think "they" have a different set of problems... they don't.

19:44:56 ascii_field: what problems in particular ?

19:45:00 *: ascii_field a bit puzzled

19:45:13 shinohai: heh https://twitter.com/BitcoinErrorLog/status/608623448974307328

19:45:22 shinohai: *is interesting

19:47:53 mircea_popescu: ascii_field in this case, the "running" he describes.

19:48:21 ascii_field: who is rothchild running from ?

19:51:37 scoopbot_revived: OldApps.com under attack, or this is why you checksum. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/oldapps-com-under-attack-or-this-is-why-you-checksum/

19:52:21 pete_dushenski: ^started with "safari sucks a bag o' dix"

19:53:04 pete_dushenski: ended with a planted file on a website hosting old versions of browsers, irc clients, etc.

19:53:05 mircea_popescu: o.O

19:53:16 mircea_popescu: didja email them ?

19:53:40 pete_dushenski: not yet. will now.

19:53:45 mircea_popescu: ascii_field me.

19:56:08 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Give midori a go. Just keep in mind its SSL implementation is especially retared so http is not going to really offer much of an illusion even of protection

19:56:15 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wake me up when you catch him. i'd like a finger or toe as keychain.

19:56:33 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: can haz the payload plz ?

19:57:30 pete_dushenski: ascii_field http://www.oldapps.com/mac/firefox.php?old_firefox=14820 << click the floppy disk icon

19:57:31 assbot: Old Version of Firefox 29.0 Download - OldApps.com for Mac ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqzyY7 )

19:57:36 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: no

19:57:41 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i want -your- binary

19:57:44 ascii_field: with signature

19:57:53 ascii_field: who the fuck knows what is hosted at this moment.

19:58:02 pete_dushenski: good point.

19:58:12 ascii_field: don't ever think of the enemy as a mechanism

19:59:18 pete_dushenski: gimme a sec.

19:59:28 BingoBoingo: Ah, meter reading day.

20:04:57 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:06:42 danielpbarron: goodwill is my new favorite store! just picked up 5 pairs of shorts and 3 cat5e+ cables for under 30 USD

20:08:20 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I still favor Rural king where you can get flowers, carhart, circus peanuts, and an AR-15 in the same trip

20:08:38 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: sounds expensive

20:09:08 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Prolly would be. Never picked up that last item from there, but it is possible.

20:10:27 shinohai: My closest solution to a decent fap bot thus far are categorized rss feeds.

20:11:21 BingoBoingo: Another hypothetical Rural king shopping trip is beef jerky, well drilling apparatus, unsinkable brown water vessel, and hay.

20:17:58 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: galois's in on the btc-usg-bezzle?

20:18:27 nubbins`: dat time when -otc failed to produce a buyer for a lowly 1btc sell and nubs had to rely on circle

20:19:31 danielpbarron: i woulda bought it

20:19:41 mod6: hey nubbins`, did you ever see that issue on gentoo that I was talkin about lastnight?

20:19:52 nubbins`: i don't think so, log me up

20:19:56 nubbins`: danielpbarron you still can

20:19:59 danielpbarron: aha

20:20:35 nubbins`: ;;ticker

20:20:37 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 228.72, Best ask: 229.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.30000, Last trade: 229.0, 24 hour volume: 10489.59325785, 24 hour low: 227.48, 24 hour high: 230.02, 24 hour vwap: None

20:20:51 mod6: I haven't looked too deep into it, maybe something I missed. I did apply your & ascii's patches. http://dpaste.com/0DSP4BS.txt

20:20:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqDBUl )

20:21:07 nubbins`: that's a new one for me

20:21:08 mod6: I'm using uclibc, so far going well.

20:21:10 mod6: ok.

20:21:20 nubbins`: are you using the buildroot toolchain?

20:21:31 nubbins`: or targeting gentoo

20:21:32 mod6: I did have to copy over all of the openssl headers as you were saying once upon a time, but maybe i'm missing something else.

20:21:52 mod6: no, its just straight v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, i'll get to buildroot eventually.

20:23:02 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159715 << now, i didn't see with own eyes. nor do i have own intel dept. like mircea_popescu. but from the evidence presently known to me - yes.

20:23:02 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 20:17:58; ben_vulpes: ascii_field: galois's in on the btc-usg-bezzle?

20:26:42 hanbot: <asciilifeform> http://thewhet.net/2015/browder-the-bitcoinless << do you recall tlp's 'if you're reading it, it's for you' maxim? consider, why is this fella on front page of nyt? vs the $maxint other folks held without trial << i do remember, yeah. results of recommended consideration are grotesque for sure. all the more reason to hang out in here.

20:26:43 assbot: Browder the Bitcoinless | The Whet ... ( http://bit.ly/1KqEqfP )

20:28:52 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/jnkJfnc

20:28:53 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMQAj2 )

20:31:23 BingoBoingo: Fuck you reddit. The one time there is something almost worthwhile they kill it https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate

20:31:24 assbot: fatpeoplehate: this subreddit has been banned ... ( http://bit.ly/1QMQQP4 )

20:31:44 nubbins`: heh

20:31:47 nubbins`: fat people hate?

20:32:12 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/FirefoxSetup29.exe.asc << ascii_field

20:32:39 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i thought this was a mac binary ?!

20:32:50 pete_dushenski: you thought wrong !

20:32:54 BingoBoingo: Even fucking /r/fatlogic was banned.

20:32:56 ascii_field: and did you just clearsign a binary!?!??!

20:32:56 pete_dushenski: see my article

20:32:57 ascii_field: l0l!

20:33:02 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Indeed

20:33:19 ascii_field: plz post virginal binary, with detached sig

20:33:29 ascii_field: this one is not usable and i'm surprised your pgptron agreed to shit it out

20:33:45 BingoBoingo: The one time I encounter a hate movement with quality momentum to take off it gets fucking banned.

20:33:49 pete_dushenski: lol one sex.

20:33:50 ascii_field: (dashes removed, newlines swapped, other things which do not make for a usable winblows exe)

20:34:15 pete_dushenski: ascii_field and there's no detached sig, only checksums

20:37:20 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

20:37:40 pete_dushenski: i gotta jet. i'll post it up later. cheers

20:38:38 nubbins`: clearsigned bin :0

20:39:01 nubbins`: no wonder pete has an attitude, he obv doesn't give a fuck :D

20:50:13 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-04-2014#642266 << broken again

20:50:13 assbot: Logged on 25-04-2014 11:29:00; random_cat: mircea_popescue: <a href="http://xeur.bitcoin-central.net/"here/a on http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR is apparently invalid

20:50:35 danielpbarron: ;;later tell davout ^

20:50:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:51:25 danielpbarron: I'm curious as to how this future thing works through coinbr

20:51:59 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Last I heard Jurov shows up at you case with a suitcase full of euros

20:52:14 danielpbarron: that's if you have a key registered with MPEx

20:52:21 danielpbarron: oh you said jurov

21:06:37 mircea_popescu: hm yeh dead huh.

21:07:18 ascii_field: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i got it, but you oughta post it publicly.

21:07:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:17:21 shinohai: greetings danielpbarron o/ No news from the wonderful world of bitcoind?

21:17:35 BingoBoingo: http://slimgur.com/

21:17:39 assbot: SLiMGUR - A Shitlord Image Host ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxsFqR )

21:18:03 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:18:06 ascii_field: wtf is a 'shitlord'

21:20:29 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's what the social justice types call people who act like people. It was used as a slur too often and now people wear the title shitlord with pride.

21:20:41 danielpbarron: shinohai, my 0.5.3.x pogo is 6 blocks behind my 0.7.2 full size machine, and I'm not sure if it's because the network doesn't like two nodes asking for the same blocks from the same IP or what

21:20:52 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: A shitlord is basic anti-stupid

21:20:58 BingoBoingo: in some form or another

21:21:02 trinque: can confirm, am unrepentant shitlord

21:21:05 shinohai: You got me interested in that pogo thingy. I got one ordered.

21:21:23 shinohai: My other node, however, hums along perfectly of late.

21:21:40 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159520 << re: "high functioning autism" -- I just found out about this internet phenomenon -> https://youtu.be/wEKLxgRJnAc?t=2m20s

21:21:40 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 18:54:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159096 << you personally misrepresent your income, for whatever reasons, but you actually are mostly working for warrants these past coupla years. the others - probably a combination of incompetence (note that high functioning autism is still mental incompetence) and similar misrepresentation, similarly for whatever reasons.

21:21:41 assbot: (NSFW) "For J-R's Eyes Only.MOV" A.K.A. PUSSY EATING 102 [4/19/10] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtfFb )

21:23:28 mircea_popescu: ascii_field originally it was supposed to be some thing really cool 19yo girls with a modelling/pr career say about socially marginal, sexually undesirable geeks. five to ten years later it emerged as the new cool.

21:23:43 mircea_popescu: you know, like "faggot"

21:23:50 mircea_popescu: actually... perhaps more like "punk"

21:24:32 BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a5a81f7354b3aa3e797d973a7e6840f0e50e6533 << What the fuck. LibreSSL syncs fine

21:24:33 assbot: configure: Detect (and reject) LibreSSL · bitcoin/bitcoin@a5a81f7 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxtHTK )

21:24:43 mircea_popescu: lmao wut ?

21:25:11 mircea_popescu: herp, luke being luke.

21:27:53 davout: danielpbarron: werks nao

21:28:09 davout: deedbot-: http://xeur.bitcoin-central.net

21:28:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxuiVK )

21:28:10 deedbot-: accepted: 1

21:28:20 davout: while we're at it

21:28:25 shinohai: http://tpbit.blogspot.ca/2015/06/handling-bitcoins-during-hard-fork.html

21:28:26 assbot: ThePiachu's Bitcoin Blog: Handling bitcoins during a hard fork - pondering Bitcoin XT ... ( http://bit.ly/1dxukgh )

21:35:23 trinque: still chewing on that discussion of freedom

21:35:30 trinque: I tend to think it's a bad concept to work with

21:36:09 ascii_field: trinque: when you have ebola, your concept of health turns into 'not having ebola'

21:36:14 ascii_field: this is both reasonable and practical.

21:36:30 ascii_field: i know exactly what i want to be free of.

21:36:47 trinque: right, one can consider being liberated from a particular shackle

21:38:50 trinque: particularly considering human societies, do I want to be "totally free" whatever that means, playing cards on the worlds nicest beach, or do I want to be a part of the best-functioning giant human meat robot

21:40:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178911 @ 0.00036883 = 65.9877 BTC [+] {4}

21:40:20 danielpbarron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHKc3liU0AAMckE.jpg << check out my new business card (sorry nubbins` I'm not ready to be a baller yet)

21:40:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGLvtA )

21:40:27 trinque: I'm skeptical of the american notion of individualism, but am not precisely sure how far to take that skepticism

21:41:22 shinohai: nice danielpbarron

21:41:24 trinque: probably not getting it across

21:41:57 BingoBoingo: Reddit kinda lulzy at the moment shitlords are revolting against the admins https://www.reddit.com/r/all/

21:41:58 assbot: all subreddits ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGLOED )

21:42:21 trinque: the highest good being some kind of infinite individual liberation sounds like something we crapped into the mental ether

21:43:39 ascii_field: trinque: it is what folks with ideas of their own generally want

21:43:44 *: danielpbarron upvotes it all in total disregard for reddiquette

21:43:59 ascii_field: i, for instance, have sufficient undeveloped inventions to occupy me were i to live even 10,000 years

21:44:59 trinque: are you free of your desire to invent, or does it viscerally urge you without asking first?

21:45:07 ascii_field: what do you think.

21:49:02 trinque: !up ascii_field

21:49:26 trinque: that I can choose to ignore my desires or not, but I have not yet found the controls if any for desiring itself

21:49:37 trinque: they just seem to be there, built in

21:49:59 trinque: this in my ignorance, I think, grasps for an explanation for why the rich don't simply count their gold all day

21:50:17 ascii_field: trinque: see mircea_popescu's example about 'drinking the sea'

21:50:21 hanbot: trinque what does it matter if you have visceral urges or not, beyond using them as a diagnostic to tell whether or not you're alive?

21:50:26 ascii_field: thirsty man thinks he wishes to 'drink the sea'

21:52:45 trinque: hanbot: it's not a question of mattering

21:52:48 trinque: they *are*

21:54:26 trinque: I take a breath because thats what a functioning human body does

21:54:34 hanbot: yeah. but what of it? you can understand them and act rationally, or not. what else is there?

21:54:55 mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> i know exactly what i want to be free of. << my tao cat smile is thiiiiis wide

21:55:22 mircea_popescu: hint : you're well aware that eliberation is not necessarily the path to freedom. nuland's all about eliberations after all :D

21:58:30 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159753 << you know they could just go to 8chan and leave the corporapizde be.

21:58:30 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 20:33:45; BingoBoingo: The one time I encounter a hate movement with quality momentum to take off it gets fucking banned.

21:58:40 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i have been to free-time-land and it was the one part of my life that was actually worth living

21:58:48 ascii_field: so no one can say that i speak of hypotheticals.

21:58:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's a settlement of diaspora folk there

22:01:12 BingoBoingo: https://8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/

22:01:14 assbot: /fatpeoplehate/ - We hate fatties ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfB3p6 )

22:01:27 mircea_popescu: seems an imageboard way more adequate than reddit for the purpose anyway

22:02:43 mircea_popescu: and for the record, "accepting" fat people on the mere basis of them being fat people is exactly as morally wrong / intellectually bankrupt as hating them for the same reason.

22:02:58 trinque: hanbot: there's why bother to live in the first place, and act at all

22:03:27 trinque: not something I can say to you, in my case

22:03:27 hanbot: ascii_field i suspect the point is less about the where you are and more about the who you are. whatever gets to you in the present scenario will follow you to free-time-land or anywhere else, though probably in costume.

22:03:35 ascii_field: possibly mircea_popescu did not know this, but in usa 'fat' is a proxy for other things (mainly caste-related)

22:03:45 trinque: people-of-walmart ?

22:03:45 mircea_popescu: fat has always been this.

22:03:55 mircea_popescu: like, women with long nails -> do not need to work -> etc

22:05:39 trinque: hanbot: something along the lines of "because the meat robot is programmed that way" way lower than whatever is having a conversation with itself

22:06:28 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: except we have it here in reverse. in usa, grotesque fat is (in recent decades; not speaking of president taft etc) seen as a sign of poverty (not in the no-money sense, but in the offensively-stupid-poor (tm) )

22:07:13 mircea_popescu: aha. the macula of welfare.

22:07:17 ascii_field: (the 'why' is a separate subject, but it is not a baseless notion)

22:07:25 mircea_popescu: "you may eat for free, but the food will make you stay here"

22:07:38 ascii_field: (tm) (r) hades

22:07:52 mircea_popescu: but mind that reverse-indication is still not different indicatively.

22:08:01 mircea_popescu: whether fat = rich or fat = poor, fat signifies.

22:08:03 ascii_field: in that sense yes

22:08:09 ascii_field: they just flipped the sign bit.

22:08:19 mircea_popescu: and judging by signifiers rather than by realities is exactly the path to perdition

22:09:31 mircea_popescu: this is the crux of the entire discussion (of all text, as it were) : the ought/is debate is exactly this, observing the perils of judging by signifiers.

22:09:36 mircea_popescu: the cause/purpose idem.

22:09:47 mircea_popescu: the map/territory observation, idem.

22:09:53 ascii_field: !s name of the song

22:09:54 assbot: 3 results for 'name of the song' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=name+of+the+song

22:10:01 mircea_popescu: in the end, whosoever references pointers is going to end up with bitrot.

22:10:20 mircea_popescu: but yes, it is "faster". and of course "cheaper"

22:10:24 ascii_field: ;;google Haddocks' Eyes

22:10:25 gribble: Haddocks' Eyes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haddocks'_Eyes; Haddocks' Eyes?: http://www.haddockseyes.com/; Haddocks' Eyes - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXBwWYFTcbE

22:10:27 mircea_popescu: and we might be able to spend our entire lives running from it

22:10:32 mircea_popescu: or maybe not.

22:11:00 hanbot: trinque i'm sure it's a worthwhile investigation :)

22:11:39 trinque: been up one wall of my skull and down the other; I may be a barbarian

22:11:59 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and for the record, "accepting" fat people on the mere basis of them being fat people is exactly as morally wrong / intellectually bankrupt as hating them for the same reason. << Hate is an emotional reaction, in this case to aesthetics

22:12:35 lobbes: is a learned reaction, I would argue

22:12:51 ascii_field: notice that nobody really hates other kinds of deformed folks

22:12:56 ascii_field: e.g. paraplegics

22:13:01 ascii_field: hence the caste connection

22:13:16 mircea_popescu: i imagine the same thing drives people to kill cockroaches / rats / assorted vermin, to wash, to choose their sex mates and to reject fatties.

22:13:22 mircea_popescu: it offends a sense of order.

22:13:33 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this is especially cartoon-coloured vivid in children

22:13:40 mircea_popescu: ascii_field plenty of people do, actually. children certainly impulsivley hate all abnormality.

22:13:45 ascii_field: this - yes

22:13:45 mircea_popescu: aha!

22:13:50 shinohai: so no BBW porn in the bot. got it.

22:13:54 mircea_popescu: lol

22:13:56 trinque: wah ha ha

22:14:08 trinque: mircea_popescu: that sense of order thing might have something to do with what I'm babbling about

22:14:18 trinque: the kids hate weird because.

22:14:30 trinque: sure I have a rational reason for not wanting to be near someone sneezing

22:14:37 mircea_popescu: https://media.8ch.net/fatpeoplehate/src/1433969031770-0.jpg << kinmda lulzy. who's the bespectacled geek ?

22:14:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B7jokr )

22:14:44 trinque: doesn't mean that's what hit me first, or caused me to consider it in the first place

22:15:05 shinohai: Chairman Ellen Pao

22:15:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The Pao chick who is their new CEO, the one suing their former employer for insufficient promotions

22:15:18 trinque: reality gives you the options, then you select

22:15:22 trinque: there's no freedom to define reality itself

22:15:28 mircea_popescu: oh

22:16:57 BingoBoingo: But yes this obese underclass is typically refered to as hamplanets, they routinely exceed 350 pounds.

22:17:06 BingoBoingo: It's the corn thing.

22:17:08 shinohai: mircea_popescu should buy reddit and force her to wax floors or something

22:17:11 mircea_popescu: if only it were ham

22:17:13 mircea_popescu: it's usually lard.

22:17:28 mircea_popescu: why would i bother / expend effort and energy to serve her ?

22:20:18 mircea_popescu: anywya, i'm not gonna post on 8chan seeing how i still olathe captchas, but here's my contribution to resolving the conflict & fat acceptance : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI3tGgD4nMk

22:20:19 assbot: Animaniacs - Schnitzelbank - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1B7jXuo )

22:21:02 mircea_popescu: (nordic system)

22:21:29 nubbins`: <+ascii_field> mircea_popescu: i have been to free-time-land and it was the one part of my life that was actually worth living <<< wait now, you've been getting it this whole time? :/

22:21:49 mircea_popescu: lol

22:22:05 mircea_popescu: he's perverse isn't he.

22:22:27 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:22:35 ascii_field: what's so perverse here, l0l

22:26:04 nubbins`: "fat people hate" = zzzz

22:26:59 nubbins`: imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into creating internet fat shame memes

22:27:06 nubbins`: how depressing

22:28:59 mircea_popescu: how's this different from "imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into dirtying paper"

22:30:57 lobbes: ah, is this the cause/purpose thing again?

22:31:53 lobbes: I guess if one genuinely enjoys making shame memes, go for it

22:32:09 lobbes: just don't delude yourself that it is towards a purpose

22:33:44 mircea_popescu: what, dja think those people imagine they're making a better world ?

22:33:49 mircea_popescu: i thought that's the libertard fallacy.

22:34:48 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski and ben_vulpes are pretty cool though so I feel bad if I hate jooz nao. Hating on smelly butter golems though is fine.

22:34:56 trinque: lol

22:35:08 ascii_field: i'm happy to settle for the dream of making a -worse- world - for the enemy.

22:35:27 ascii_field: good enough motivator for damn near everything i work on

22:36:01 lobbes: BingoBoingo: what if one day you meet a butter golem you genuinely like? either hate big or don't hate at all, I say

22:36:05 lobbes: go for the gusto

22:36:13 trinque: ascii_field: I'm just going for "died on my feet"

22:36:18 trinque: will revise as things improve

22:36:33 BingoBoingo: lobbes: See, good hating begins with wordplay.

22:37:01 mircea_popescu: what's a butter golem ?

22:38:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The sort of rollie pollie that needs a rag on a stick to clean itself and always is covered in an oily sheen

22:40:01 mircea_popescu: oh

22:41:07 BingoBoingo: There's a whole vocabluary. Mini moons are fat kids, hamplanets are big and round. ham galaxies are the ones so big they flatten out on surfaces... Beetus monsters are covered in weeping wounds on their legs

22:42:49 BingoBoingo: Hating on the merely overweight is kind of a non-starter for me, but here in 'Murica there is no shortage of clearly celestial bodies to hate on.

22:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93750 @ 0.00035959 = 33.7116 BTC [-] {2}

22:44:50 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: you would really enjoy dan mocsny's collected writings.

22:45:47 ascii_field: mocsny wrote, among many things, re: how it is not really possible to become 'galactically' fat without a host of 'unsung heroes' - enablers who feed you, wipe arse, etc

22:46:11 ascii_field: and how those folks never seem to get 'press'

22:46:22 ascii_field: yet what they do is not unlike what mengele did

22:46:27 ascii_field: in terms of sheer perversity

22:46:31 mircea_popescu: they just mean to help

22:46:45 ascii_field: mengele also 'helped'

22:46:57 trinque: I hate Yellen far more than any hamplanet

22:47:09 trinque: and many others

23:12:26 BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard

23:12:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125221 @ 0.00037746 = 47.2659 BTC [+] {5}

23:40:22 mircea_popescu: "The great thing about /r/fatpeoplehate was it was a prominent (6th most active) part of an extremely popular website. This is too private; we aren't pissing off fatties being here."

23:40:27 mircea_popescu: ah mystery explained. k.

23:50:56 mircea_popescu: and in the same ol news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc29b0C5lR1rfma9no1_r1_500.gif

23:50:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2FH87 )

23:53:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159143 << quite unconvincingly. the only reason that guy wasn't warhol is that at the time the libertard infrastructure did not exist that'd support a warhol. he tried and tried, but with libertardicy in its infancy he merely scraped by.

23:53:42 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 14:05:28; funkenstein_: Henry Miller goes on and on about his right to starve, rather unconvincingly

23:53:56 mircea_popescu: (dali did a lot better, but dali quite specifically whored out to power rather than to plebes)

23:54:37 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159157 williamdunne's not been around in a few days, relax eh

23:54:37 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 14:13:23; asciilifeform: ^^^ where the hell is my ticker ?!

23:55:39 funkenstein_: lol :) well this helps me understand what is meant by libertardicy

23:56:53 Pierre_Rochard: http://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate2/ < that was fast

23:56:54 assbot: reboot of the newly destroyed fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2Giq7 )

23:57:06 mircea_popescu: "we the people" misunderstood as "we the pointlessly hopeful and unwarrantedly aspirational"

23:57:41 funkenstein_: young, dumb, and full of bezzle ?

23:57:56 mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E << interesting how these cluster. now we have a pure M * 29. rather than 11 or 13 rounding out, we get 29 diverging even further from expectation.

23:57:59 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2GohH )

23:58:11 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ it's really dbezzle/dt. not bezzle yet.

23:58:15 mircea_popescu: likely, not bezzle ever.

23:59:20 funkenstein_: ah right. "income".