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00:00:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60508 @ 0.00051431 = 31.1199 BTC [-]

00:10:51 whaack: I'm working on installing the eulora client on mac, and I have two questions

00:13:00 whaack: (1) When you unzip the tar you get a directory with Eulora, data-cs, and a readme. Do you want people installing the game to remove the data-cs and readme and rename the "Eulora" directory to eulora-src?

00:14:30 whaack: If not, it seems that every instruction on the wiki should be .../eulora-src/Eulora/... instead of /eulora-src/

00:15:50 whaack: (2) The last instruction says to run ./configure inside of eulora-src, but there is no configure file

00:18:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00052319 = 17.056 BTC [+]

00:19:58 asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo the min fee thing isn't, as far as i can tell, in therealbitcoin. interested in writing a patch ?

00:19:58 gribble: The operation succeeded.

00:21:28 BingoBoingo: I'm not sure I am good enough at create new code. I might dig and mail code I pull from turdmeister's 0.7.3 version for this and getpeerinfo, unsure if I can put together something that *works*

00:21:53 williamdunne: jurov: Any plans to get Eurola on steam?

00:22:07 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h#0527

00:22:08 assbot: Satoshi ... ( http://bit.ly/1INoy6R )

00:22:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ what we have

00:22:34 mircea_popescu: whaack the mac instructyions may be a little stale

00:22:48 mircea_popescu: give a look at the nix stuff maybe it clarifies ?

00:23:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41108 @ 0.0005126 = 21.072 BTC [-] {2}

00:23:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: GetMinFee figures in AcceptToMemoryPool and CreateNewBlock

00:23:32 asciilifeform: just as one might expect.

00:23:39 BingoBoingo: Ah

00:23:45 asciilifeform: and in CreateTransaction

00:24:31 asciilifeform: the way i see it, what to relay is really a personal choice for node operator

00:24:57 asciilifeform: last i saw, the 'spammer' was sending 'old coins' though

00:25:22 asciilifeform: presently i'm not certain why i should give a fuck re: the spam

00:26:26 *: asciilifeform not a big fan of the whole 'mempool' scheme, but has said this before, it's in the logz

00:36:32 *: williamdunne has nearly got Eurola running, interface reminds me of a game I worked on once upon a time

00:37:26 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Would y'mind setting me up with an account?

00:38:57 mircea_popescu: nope

00:39:01 mircea_popescu: onesec

00:41:39 williamdunne: God, now I'm having flashbacks to working with scaleform and Adobe Flash

00:42:37 mircea_popescu: lol no flahs here

00:42:43 whaack: mircea_popescu: yeah it seems there was an instruction that was missing that was in the other sections, I've updated the wiki

00:42:50 mircea_popescu: tyvm.

00:42:58 mircea_popescu: usually how these things go

00:43:07 mircea_popescu: you want an acct too ?

00:44:45 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well, IIRC it wasn't flash directly, but for some retarded reason they thought it'd be a good idea to reverse engineer the flash format so you'd do some coding and the design in adobe flash

00:45:05 williamdunne: So the process was create frames in Photoshop, import to flash, add some actioncrap, and then export to scaleform

00:45:12 williamdunne: Which 50% of the time wouldn't work

00:46:03 mircea_popescu: williamdunne http://dpaste.com/3EYNJJP

00:46:04 assbot: dpaste: 3EYNJJP ... ( http://bit.ly/1INrgt8 )

00:46:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54042 @ 0.00051194 = 27.6663 BTC [-] {2}

00:47:24 whaack: mircea_popescu: yes please, but I'm still working on getting the client running

00:47:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48158 @ 0.00050997 = 24.5591 BTC [-] {3}

00:47:33 mircea_popescu: aite

00:48:03 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Thanks, seems to be working so far

00:48:09 mircea_popescu: o hey

00:48:16 mircea_popescu: ima be in there in a few mins get you started :)

00:49:17 williamdunne: Awesome

00:50:54 mircea_popescu: whaack http://dpaste.com/3KT2S67

00:50:55 assbot: dpaste: 3KT2S67 ... ( http://bit.ly/1INrSio )

00:53:45 BingoBoingo: Ah, the minrelaytxfee flag I thought I was using was doing nothing, because it apparently didn't exist until 0.9

00:58:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.000534 = 15.486 BTC [+]

01:01:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00053839 = 1.9382 BTC [+]

01:07:03 shinohai: !up SuchWow

01:07:25 SuchWow: is there a litecoin-assets yet lol

01:07:44 shinohai: ren't you a dogecoiner SuchWow ?

01:08:39 ben_vulpes: SuchWow: what's litecoin?

01:08:49 shinohai: kek

01:09:32 ben_vulpes: 271609

01:10:10 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i want every token << you probably want the serialization insanity as well

01:11:11 BingoBoingo: Ah, the pull request that created the -minrelaytxfee flag https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577/files

01:11:13 assbot: Treat dust outputs as non-standard, un-hardcode TX_FEE constants by gavinandresen · Pull Request #2577 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1INtRTZ )

01:11:26 ben_vulpes: anyways with all this froofraw it'd be nice to have a mining pool that ran 0.5.3

01:12:33 SuchWow: shinohai: dogecoin is just what got me into crypo in dec 2013, i then daytraded btc/usc (and occasionally alts, plus a small mining venture) from Jan-July '13, and have been back to just working a day job for the last year or so

01:12:44 SuchWow: i still find it fun and useful to keep a close eye on cryptos daily

01:12:57 SuchWow: that 'future' gonna be here quicker than we know it :)

01:12:58 ben_vulpes: > fun

01:13:03 ben_vulpes: nothing is fun

01:13:06 ben_vulpes: arbeith macht frei

01:13:38 SuchWow: o/

01:13:44 SuchWow: ;p

01:14:52 ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> As far as I can tell time does not exist other than as a projection perpetrated by the brain << hear hear

01:15:19 ben_vulpes: but it's not so much the brain as the necessity of linearization of memory for things that travel along a 3-brane

01:15:36 ben_vulpes: (that itself is drifting steadily along another axis)

01:16:18 ben_vulpes: too heady for you, SuchWow?

01:18:28 ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> pogo cannot see the sun! << i hazard that pogo is not the thing

01:18:34 ben_vulpes: but the people setting pogos up is the thing

01:18:40 ben_vulpes: the difference between "fire and forget"

01:19:00 ben_vulpes: and giving some random noobs the opportunity to play bitcoinrpb

01:19:05 ben_vulpes: bitcoingrpg*

01:19:16 ben_vulpes: see there's eulora for the gamers

01:19:24 ben_vulpes: qntra for the writers

01:19:29 ben_vulpes: and the real bitcoin for the hackers

01:19:32 SuchWow: sry, super sleep dep, 14 hour workdays, being engaged on multiple chans

01:19:34 SuchWow: reading

01:20:01 ben_vulpes: it's okay suchwaoender, i'm approximately 1.8lol behind

01:20:12 SuchWow: we need lolyears

01:20:26 ben_vulpes: 1.8klol*

01:20:36 ben_vulpes: a lol is a "line of log", SuchWow.

01:20:36 SuchWow: whereas the speed of lol is somehow inversely proportional to the speed of gossip on the interent or some such

01:20:43 SuchWow: or that would work to

01:20:49 ben_vulpes: gossip is already a reserved term, sorry.

01:20:52 SuchWow: *too

01:21:24 SuchWow: yeah, no, i'm seriously too wasted (exhausted) to have much intelligent discourse. Thanks for the up tho, next time :)

01:21:53 ben_vulpes: SuchWow: get a fucking key.

01:21:55 ben_vulpes: fucking register.

01:22:14 ben_vulpes: shinohai: you up him again...

01:22:18 ben_vulpes: I KEEL U

01:22:23 SuchWow: this is irc lol

01:22:33 SuchWow: i will not register with anything for the ability to speak in an irc chan

01:22:37 SuchWow: it's just ludicrous imo

01:22:44 SuchWow: exercise basic chan mgmt :)

01:22:52 SuchWow: i opped #dogecoin for 18 months

01:22:55 SuchWow: it *can* be done lol

01:22:56 shinohai: ludicrous how? to verify your identity securely?

01:23:05 SuchWow: i regged with nickserv

01:23:07 SuchWow: that's plenty

01:23:09 *: shinohai dogecoin is a scam

01:23:22 SuchWow: i haven't paid attention to dogecoin in the longest time

01:23:41 BingoBoingo: Wow, init.cpp got bloated between 0.5.3 and 0.9

01:24:00 shinohai: http://bit.ly/1glId2X

01:24:01 assbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1INvd14 )

01:24:24 BingoBoingo: More than doubled in size

01:25:00 SuchWow: i think dogecoin is mainly just investor speculation at this point, and obviously several very large investors from early on and probably throughout

01:25:20 SuchWow: the community has shrunk almost as exponentially as it grew over the last year

01:25:35 SuchWow: but i don't think this chan is about that kind of stuff?

01:26:06 SuchWow: everytime i talk here, you all start bring up dogecoin - for the record, it has never once been me.

01:27:21 shinohai: > but i don't think this chan is about that kind of stuff?

01:27:59 shinohai: anywho ben_vulpes did u say i no can give cheezburger to SuchWow ?

01:28:17 SuchWow: he's just fuckin around cuz he wants me to register with your bot or something

01:28:25 SuchWow: it's cool lol

01:28:34 SuchWow: at least i don't bitch about being upped anymore :)

01:30:10 williamdunne: Oh god, Eurola has got me looking over some of the work I had done previously. Not all of em' are good uns'

01:30:57 mats: so, interestingly, one 'Vitaliy Toropov' appears to be a current employee of ZDI (as of 29Apr2015) and... appears to have sold exploits to HT

01:31:04 mats: hue hue hue

01:31:28 mats: er, as of that date, afaik

01:31:48 shinohai: not my bot ftr

01:36:28 mats: https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/emailid/48098

01:36:29 assbot: WikiLeaks - The Hackingteam Archives ... ( http://bit.ly/1INwIfG )

01:40:21 mats: actually, strike that, having difficulty confirming whether he's actually an employee

01:43:02 shinohai: arch is kinda neat

01:46:17 mircea_popescu: SuchWow investor may not mean what you think it means.

01:46:18 *: BingoBoingo actually trying to put this knob together. ;;;;

01:46:22 mircea_popescu: it's not directly equivalent to "spent money".

02:08:01 shinohai: Erik Voorhees to the rescue again http://coinivore.com/2015/07/09/litecoin-exchange-volume-outpaces-bitcoin-for-first-time/

02:08:03 assbot: Litecoin Exchange Volume Outpaces Bitcoin For First Time - Coinivore ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaOHWU )

02:13:32 mod6: So I was stuck on block: 363734, then updated time, restarted bitcoind, now seem be be stuck on 363736 for >24 hours.

02:13:52 asciilifeform: mod6: who are you peered with ?

02:13:58 mod6: mp

02:14:04 asciilifeform: he's wedged iirc !

02:14:12 asciilifeform: stop peering with him until he unwedges

02:14:21 asciilifeform: betcha his clock is off too.

02:14:58 mod6: ok, i had thought that I read somewhere that he said he was gonna let it be until he could examine the fork closer. I never could find it in the log though. Thought maybe I imagined it.

02:15:25 asciilifeform: he did

02:15:32 asciilifeform: and apparently letting it be didn't unwedge it

02:15:42 mod6: ah.

02:15:48 asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts his clock is off.

02:15:50 asciilifeform: like mine was.

02:16:00 mod6: mine was 25 seconds behind or something.

02:16:26 asciilifeform: that's not enough to wedge

02:17:39 mod6: hrm. maybe im misinterpreted the output

02:18:35 mod6: anyway, it might not be a bad time for me to stop it now anyway, and break off to try some other things. I wanna test build stator on gentoo.

02:19:01 asciilifeform: its natural habitat!

02:19:04 asciilifeform: test, test.

02:19:19 mod6: I see that nubs' gentoo sanity patch isn't applied, wanna get some testing in there. I'm putting a guide together so someone can patch by hand if they like.

02:19:42 asciilifeform: i never needed that one

02:19:45 asciilifeform: to run on my gentoos

02:19:54 asciilifeform: so i never applied it

02:20:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40332 @ 0.00053839 = 21.7143 BTC [+]

02:20:09 asciilifeform: though i think one or two things in it are in my kills_integer_retardation patch

02:20:25 mod6: ok, good to know. i'll give it a shot on my end. will report back sometime next day or so.

02:21:18 mod6: yah. and that is included.

02:22:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43576 @ 0.00053862 = 23.4709 BTC [+]

02:23:30 mod6: in particular, this test will be with vanilla gcc (glibc) and not uclibc. With uclibc, I had to do some extra tweaks: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160161

02:23:30 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 02:57:07; mod6: no, those where in there from the beginning. i ended up adding ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' to net.cpp, util.cpp and wallet.cpp and then is ok.

02:23:53 asciilifeform: i thought nobody got anywhere with uclibc ... ?

02:24:09 mod6: well, no, never did link for me properly

02:24:18 asciilifeform: anyone try musl yet ?

02:24:36 mod6: but these problems arose during compiliation. and once the above was applied, was seemingly resolved.

02:24:37 williamdunne: https://github.com/hackedteam/rcs-common/blob/master/lib/rcs-common/evidence/file.rb#L17

02:24:38 assbot: rcs-common/file.rb at master · hackedteam/rcs-common · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GaQg7x )

02:24:46 mod6: haven't tried musl yet no.

02:24:51 mod6: it's on the list.

02:25:04 mod6: heh, it's a long list. :]

02:25:11 asciilifeform: williamdunne: l0l!

02:25:12 mod6: i'll get there though.

02:26:41 williamdunne: asciilifeform: Wonder how many times it was used

02:27:04 williamdunne: Looks like that feature was created at the request of the Italian gov mabbeh

02:27:06 mod6: williamdunne: did you get setup in euloraland?

02:27:20 williamdunne: mod6: Ish, I did all the beginner stuff, and then died

02:27:57 mircea_popescu: mined anything ?

02:28:17 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: No, dieded. Then had some marketing work I figured I ought to be doing

02:28:22 williamdunne: To be continued

02:29:40 mircea_popescu: mod6 it won't go past that for a while.

02:29:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is your node still wedged ?

02:30:11 mircea_popescu: im sure it is.

02:30:22 asciilifeform: and clock ?

02:30:26 mircea_popescu: hm

02:30:47 asciilifeform: make sure to compare epoch clock

02:30:50 asciilifeform: not calendar

02:30:54 mircea_popescu: $date

02:30:54 mircea_popescu: Thu Jul 9 22:30:43 EDT 2015

02:30:57 mod6: hi mircea_popescu! ok thanks. ima shut it down for now. although, im gonna sync against it with obsd here in the next few days.. different env.

02:31:12 *: BingoBoingo nearing -minrelaytxfee recipe

02:31:28 mircea_popescu: $hwclock

02:31:28 mircea_popescu: Thu 09 Jul 2015 10:30:49 PM EDT -0.727640 seconds

02:31:30 mircea_popescu: better ?

02:32:14 asciilifeform: date +%s

02:32:16 asciilifeform: ^^^^^^^

02:32:43 mircea_popescu: 1436495557

02:32:48 mod6: 1436495564

02:33:11 asciilifeform: hm matches mine within a few s

02:33:15 mod6: yea

02:33:20 asciilifeform: and still at original wedgepoint ?

02:33:25 mircea_popescu: well yes.

02:33:32 asciilifeform: peer count ?

02:35:07 mircea_popescu: netstat -ao | grep "8333" | wc -l

02:35:07 mircea_popescu: 55

02:35:51 asciilifeform: does mircea_popescucoind keep logs ?

02:35:58 mircea_popescu: sure.

02:35:58 asciilifeform: anything re: rejected blocks in those

02:36:39 mircea_popescu: nah just spam txn rejected.

02:37:12 asciilifeform: that'd be most peculiar

02:37:43 asciilifeform: it would mean, if there is nothing peculiarly tight-lipped about mircea_popescucoind's logging mechanism, that no one has so much as tried throwing the recent blocks at it

02:38:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so was the xemist guy nobody voiced actually al ?

02:38:30 asciilifeform: waitasec

02:38:31 asciilifeform: when was that

02:38:34 asciilifeform: fuck

02:38:58 mircea_popescu: heh. paymoar attention

02:39:15 *: asciilifeform scrolls

02:39:20 *: asciilifeform was... elsewhere

02:39:22 mircea_popescu: anyway, i shall be off playin

02:39:26 mircea_popescu: laters!

02:39:29 asciilifeform: come back, Xemist

02:39:31 asciilifeform: damn.

02:40:30 *: asciilifeform sent him a mail with link to this logtime..

02:40:54 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> !up Xemist

02:41:12 mod6: he came here, was here for 5 minutes, was up'd while here, never said anything.

02:41:22 asciilifeform: hm

02:41:39 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> Xemist you wouldn't be al would you ?

02:41:53 mod6: no response to that either.

02:42:11 asciilifeform: mod6: netsplit ??

02:42:14 asciilifeform: i don't see this up

02:42:15 asciilifeform: or the convo

02:42:38 asciilifeform: OR he got ddosed

02:42:41 mod6: lemme check for split, and i'll paste the log.

02:42:43 asciilifeform: which is still a thing

02:43:05 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu when do we get the ddoser's head on a stick?

02:43:05 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:44:10 mod6: i don't see any splits in my log, but here's the log from b-a: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195623

02:44:10 assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 21:25:25; mircea_popescu: !up Xemist

02:44:31 asciilifeform: it isn't in my log!

02:44:42 asciilifeform: or in log.bitcoin-assets.com !

02:44:47 asciilifeform: go, see

02:44:54 mod6: i can paste mine if that helps, but connect/disconnect msgs included

02:44:59 asciilifeform: i believe

02:45:05 asciilifeform: but ipso facto netsplit

02:45:21 mod6: check the log link I just posted above.

02:45:21 scoopbot_revived: Mouse / Keyboard Automation for Linux http://fraudsters.com/2015/mouse-keyboard-automation-for-linux/

02:46:06 asciilifeform: mod6: apologies, i had the 10-7 page up

02:46:11 asciilifeform: yes, it's in there.

02:46:21 asciilifeform: gonna guess he got ddosed.

02:46:40 mod6: ah, ok. he came in from webchat, looks like to me.

02:46:54 asciilifeform: aha, iirc danielpbarron invited him to.

02:47:08 mod6: ah

02:47:50 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

02:53:28 asciilifeform: for completeness, i will also mention the possibility that we (or what al can see of us in his light-cone) didn't pass his bozo filter.

02:53:44 BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/3V1972C.txt

02:53:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPsXcE )

02:54:34 BingoBoingo: ^ recipe for adding flag to stator

02:55:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: methinks you left something out ?

02:55:50 asciilifeform: grep -i nMinRelayTxFee * | wc -l

02:55:50 asciilifeform: 0

02:56:58 BingoBoingo: Ah, wrong version

02:57:32 asciilifeform: what version was the patch for ?

02:58:02 BingoBoingo: stator. I mean wrong version of the revision, lemme pull up init.cpp and fix this

02:58:16 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no reason to hurry

02:58:34 mod6: true. and perhaps use unified diff

02:58:47 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i normally post patches after i read five times or so, and test them (to the point where 150,000+ blocks are pulled)

02:58:55 BingoBoingo: no idea what unified diff means

02:59:11 BingoBoingo: By yes, playing with this one first.

02:59:11 asciilifeform: there's a handy page on therealbitcoin.org

02:59:20 asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html

02:59:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPtbjZ )

02:59:42 mod6: asciilifeform is quicker on the draw than me tonight.

02:59:47 asciilifeform: congrats to BingoBoingo though, for taking the gloves off and going at the patch game

02:59:48 mod6: i just had that in hand.

02:59:54 mod6: yeah, thasnks BingoBoingo

03:00:20 mod6: anyway, that link is a bit old as it describes the directories as: bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b

03:00:25 mod6: but you'll get the general idea.

03:01:17 mod6: ask in here if you get stuck, but again, no rush.

03:02:43 BingoBoingo: Actual changes http://dpaste.com/1Y0MG37 will look at actually submitting after more reading and testing and learning process

03:02:44 assbot: dpaste: 1Y0MG37 ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPthIi )

03:03:15 BingoBoingo: Surprised how little change this seems to take vs. 0.9 Bitcoin CORE implementation of flag

03:04:46 asciilifeform: wai didja just return printf("... ?

03:05:04 BingoBoingo: I know nothing better to do

03:06:53 asciilifeform: a few other nitpicks. the all-caps convention in bitcoind refers to constants

03:07:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: printf happens to return 1 (true) if it succeeded in printf-ing

03:08:06 asciilifeform: so you'd want to printf and then return false

03:08:42 asciilifeform: this is not seriously important in this case, but it follows 'unix philosophy' in the sense that a proggy returning false lets you use its failure as part of a shell script

03:09:22 asciilifeform: that's pretty much it.

03:11:07 asciilifeform: not a bad start BingoBoingo

03:11:20 asciilifeform: this patch is gonna be a first-class bitch to actually test though..

03:11:55 asciilifeform: really gotta write a proper node monitor

03:12:04 asciilifeform: (tx incoming, tx relayed, blocks...)

03:12:30 asciilifeform: ('incoming' in the network may-or-may-not-relay sense, rather than coins sense)

03:13:10 asciilifeform: oughta be able to watch the 'vital signs' of a node, if one wishes

03:13:29 asciilifeform: see forks with own eyes, pop open a block and scroll the tx, etc.

03:13:40 asciilifeform: anybody here likes programming for x11 ?

03:13:46 *: asciilifeform listens to the sound of silence

03:14:47 asciilifeform: ~another~ interesting scientific instrument would be a fly trap for invalid tx

03:14:51 asciilifeform: which would collect, in a zoo

03:15:02 asciilifeform: who is sending what kind of retarded tx, and why?

03:15:17 asciilifeform: how often - bad sig

03:15:29 asciilifeform: and how often is the latter a plausible result of bitrot

03:15:56 asciilifeform: how often is bad tx resulting from the use of some peculiar 'hearnia' ? (on my node - apparently, quite often)

03:16:05 BingoBoingo: So ever so slightly less shitty revision? http://dpaste.com/0SBAYB4

03:16:06 assbot: dpaste: 0SBAYB4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRlVQS )

03:16:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the return never happens

03:16:46 mod6: <+asciilifeform> see forks with own eyes, pop open a block and scroll the tx, etc. << ncurses instead of x11?

03:16:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: c n00b mistake. need else { ... ... }

03:16:56 asciilifeform: mod6: gonna be ugly

03:16:59 asciilifeform: mod6: could try

03:17:24 asciilifeform: i fucking hate ncurses-mouse proggies

03:17:29 *: BingoBoingo ptolly needs to practice C

03:17:35 asciilifeform: and not sure if there is a simple way to weasel out of using the rodent here

03:17:41 mod6: fair enough. i guess if it were me, it'd be great start to just dump the block txs to a file or STDOUT or something.

03:17:46 *: asciilifeform not ui specialist

03:17:54 asciilifeform: mod6: phf wrote a tx dumper

03:17:58 mod6: me either

03:18:01 mod6: really?

03:18:07 asciilifeform: aha

03:18:08 asciilifeform: see log

03:18:16 *: mod6 looks

03:18:42 BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/3XVTZ6H << last go at de shittening for a while

03:18:44 assbot: dpaste: 3XVTZ6H ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPtP0U )

03:19:30 asciilifeform: mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185338

03:19:30 assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 17:50:03; phf: i was exploring block storage format, so i wrote some lisp code to read blocks out of .dat in sequence or directly from dumpblock'ed file http://paste.lisp.org/+38JG. i'm not sure where i'm going with it, so i'm leaving it here for interested parties.

03:19:43 BingoBoingo: It's only been a decade since I touched C++ source with anything other than delete key

03:19:52 mod6: thx ascii

03:20:07 mod6: oh yeah, i remember now.

03:20:50 mod6: i know exactly jack & squat about lisp

03:21:38 mod6: i'll have to give this a try sometime.

03:24:16 mod6: well, i guess i kinda got my toe wet with Nock.

03:25:01 mod6: anyway, another thing for the list :]

03:38:13 decimation: re: pci ocxo < yeah the ocxo is the metal case in the lower left

03:38:48 decimation: and yeah that cesium standard is cheap - suspiciously so. cesium only lasts so long.

03:43:08 asciilifeform: decimation: tube's good for ~decade

03:43:17 asciilifeform: decimation: that can looks like a normal quartz resonator

03:46:00 williamdunne: ..... this is a thing:

03:46:00 williamdunne: https://github.com/trevorlinton/webkit.js/tree/master

03:46:01 assbot: trevorlinton/webkit.js · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPuKhX )

03:46:22 asciilifeform: wai wat

03:46:37 asciilifeform: or rather, why??!!!

03:47:42 trinque: because his github picture is professionally shot

03:48:16 trinque: yet he wore a hoodie

03:48:25 trinque: but also a jacket, y'see

03:48:29 *: asciilifeform doesn't see a picture

03:48:38 trinque: https://avatars3.githubusercontent.com/u/3111873?v=3&s=400

03:48:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0y4nA )

03:48:55 decimation: nah ocxo often looks like a can

03:49:11 decimation: but admittedly I can't say for sure, and they do have versions of the card with tcxo

03:49:53 asciilifeform: http://www.eevblog.com/2012/01/14/eevblog-236-fe-5680a-rubidium-standard-teardown << interesting

03:49:54 assbot: EEVblog #236 - FE-5680A Rubidium Standard Teardown | EEVblog - The Electronics Engineering Video Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0yiLs )

03:50:14 decimation: http://www.mti-milliren.com/ocxo_260_ocxo.html < this ocxo is as good as rubidium in terms of thermal stability

03:50:16 assbot: MTI-Milliren Technologies, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0yni0 )

03:50:22 decimation: and quartz typically has better phase noise than rb

03:50:39 decimation: but a new one will be >$500 in small qty

03:50:41 asciilifeform: what's the point of rb then

03:51:27 decimation: it does have slightly better aging

03:51:44 decimation: but a new rb is like $2.5k

03:52:30 decimation: note, these are well beyon pedestrian clocks, only for folks who 'need' less than miliseconds per year

03:52:57 *: asciilifeform always thought that a 'proper' computer oughta include a bnc jack for rb or cesiumfountain on front panel

03:53:02 asciilifeform: superceding the usual clock

03:53:06 asciilifeform: (for cpu and rtc both)

03:53:06 decimation: agreed

03:53:14 decimation: it's rediculous that doesn't exist actually

03:53:44 decimation: also the timing hardware available on typical x86 is usually shitty

03:55:26 decimation: asciilifeform: the thing that's odd is that this kind of feature isn't 'avaiable for any price'

03:55:30 decimation: at least on x86 servers

03:55:37 decimation: surely the market is nonzero

03:55:38 asciilifeform: on any machine i know o

03:55:38 asciilifeform: f

03:56:02 asciilifeform: ... except for my biggest fpga board

03:56:15 decimation: I think I linked an sbc that folks modded for this

03:56:17 asciilifeform: it's got goldplated coax 'in's for clocking

03:56:28 asciilifeform: no less than 4 of'em

03:57:46 decimation: yeah that's typical for fpgas

03:57:54 decimation: because people use for actual hard timing specs

04:06:05 asciilifeform: http://www.periodictable.ru/037Rb/Rb_en.html

04:06:06 assbot: Rubidium ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0ANxf )

04:08:46 asciilifeform: http://www.mar.li/memento_mori.php << lulz

04:08:47 assbot: Martin Bircher - Art (www.mar.li) ... ( http://bit.ly/1dPwiZ3 )

04:11:57 decimation: lol

04:12:17 decimation: asciilifeform: you should make one and calibrate in micromorts

04:15:45 asciilifeform: http://pmonta.com/blog << also neat

04:15:47 assbot: Signal and noise | Peter Monta's projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0Chr7 )

04:16:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131236 @ 0.00053662 = 70.4239 BTC [-] {3}

04:19:29 asciilifeform: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill << lulz.

04:19:30 assbot: First Atomic Clock Wristwatch ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0CNWg )

04:19:52 asciilifeform: 'The watch keeps time to a few nanoseconds per day. The attractive display is based on 7-segment red LED technology. Batteries are included (they last about 45 minutes but are rechargeable). AC adapter included. There are no adjustments for daylight saving time; however the clock does handle leap seconds and keeps track of the [Modified Julian] date. This HP wristwatch includes 5/10 MHz and 1 PPS outputs. An internal keypad is

04:19:52 asciilifeform: used to set the date and time. Not waterproof nor even water resistant. '

04:21:12 asciilifeform: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-tom << moar.

04:21:13 assbot: Climbing with Atomic Clocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0D9vV )

04:21:14 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=3 (Paul Okkerse (Hoofd ICT) ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAB44446629F9CF37EB64BF72BBB6471AB6817777283D5F20F162E4FD344C3C5#BE5C08DD7A277168E207BFD7F45D308B8C129DF60FF8C094E8797B8AA3E3F61C

04:21:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JrCWjS )

04:21:16 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Paul Okkerse (Hoofd ICT) ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAB44446629F9CF37EB64BF72BBB6471AB6817777283D5F20F162E4FD344C3C5#B220922A162EB630FC0602375072D4B541230D8305458E827459A3C3828B5F84

04:21:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 )

04:21:25 decimation: that's a neat project (the gps receiver)

04:21:46 decimation: lolz

04:22:36 decimation: his 'wristwatch' still relies on wwvb

04:22:48 decimation: oh wait, no it's cesium

04:22:49 decimation: lol

04:23:29 decimation: Are these more pirate partai types

04:23:56 asciilifeform: devil knows

04:24:43 decimation: oh he was on mircea's list already

04:25:15 asciilifeform: that list oughta contain ~all~ the 4294967297 folk (see old log as to why)

04:25:53 decimation: okay makes sense

04:26:06 decimation: http://rondomvoetbal.nl/jonathan-steelt-punt-van-valleivogels/ apparently there's a paul okkerse who plays soccer

04:26:08 assbot: Jonathan steelt punt van Valleivogels | Rondom Voetbal ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0DQpe )

04:27:42 asciilifeform: the 'leapsecond' blog is a goldmine

04:28:57 asciilifeform: 'The talk concludes with a first-hand description of Project GREAT, perhaps the ultimate DIY clock experiment. Van Baak methodically selected three of his best portable cesium clocks, outfitted the family minivan (with his wife's permission) as a traveling time laboratory, and drove with his three children up the highest mountain in Washington State. After staying on Mt. Rainier for a long weekend they returned home to compare

04:28:57 asciilifeform: the traveling clocks against several atomic clocks left at home. Measurements confirmed that the clocks returned 22 nanoseconds ahead in time. ' << try sr at home!

04:29:18 decimation: lol

04:29:46 decimation: that's alot of cash to invest in 'diy'

04:29:57 asciilifeform: the fella collects, builds, clocks

04:30:01 decimation: !up Vexual

04:30:41 asciilifeform: http://www.leapsecond.com/images/LabJan2001r.jpg

04:30:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0Ex1N )

04:31:02 decimation: " A 5071A uses about 50 W at 24 VDC (~2 A)." damn that's alot of battery power

04:31:25 Vexual: BingoBoingo, hows that red/green watch running?

04:31:30 decimation: wow that's probably at least $500k in equipment

04:32:05 decimation: he must have a 'golden toilet' job

04:32:32 asciilifeform: ... or retired and he cut a zero or three of the price tags by repairing with own hands

04:32:44 decimation: heh yeah possibly

04:33:53 decimation: I bet he runs an ntp server

04:35:14 asciilifeform: http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/saoff << when clinton ordered gps to be made useful to public

04:35:15 assbot: Effect of no SA on HP 58503A GPS Time & Frequency Receiver ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0FeYI )

04:36:22 decimation: the stability and accuracy of modern clocks actually enables a great deal of science and engineering

04:37:48 decimation: interesting selective availability messed with time stability by a factor of 3

04:38:07 Vexual: shit bb finds c++, suddenly both wrists show the same time, so is alfs predator time

04:39:32 asciilifeform: clinton's announcement was a little disingenuous - the random noise is gone, yes, and the recent sats don't have it - however they do have option of beam-forming and denying gps to geography of hitler's choice

04:39:59 asciilifeform: (if anyone remembers the old eu/galileo thread, where usg pissed and moaned about not being given root on galileo)

04:40:23 asciilifeform: 'give us root or we'll shoot' was the actual statement

04:41:59 decimation: heh

04:42:03 decimation: and then there's glosnas

04:42:22 asciilifeform: one interesting aspect of the 'selective availability' era was that folks would actually collect the crud and broadcast... corrections! from an accurately-surveyed point

04:42:31 asciilifeform: neatly cancelling out the fuzz

04:42:43 asciilifeform: there was a whole industry, almost, devoted to this.

04:44:37 asciilifeform: galileo was also in planning at the time (ru 'glonas' was in a serious state of decay and not relevant) and one legend goes that clinton's order was a failed gambit to sink it

04:46:13 decimation: that tom von baak character is a regular on time-nuts http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.nuts

04:46:14 assbot: Gmane -- Mail To News And Back Again ... ( http://bit.ly/1JY9l1G )

04:46:41 decimation: surely the ru generals saw the writing on the wall

04:47:00 asciilifeform: decimation: there was no money

04:47:15 decimation: also, that kind of 'correction' is now broadcast from satellite today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Augmentation_System

04:47:16 assbot: Wide Area Augmentation System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JY9pyq )

04:47:52 decimation: ^ attempts to correct for the ionoshere messing with the gps frequency band as it goes through

04:48:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00053863 = 38.4582 BTC [+] {2}

04:48:50 decimation: so that gps users can approach 1m accuracy with simple equipment

04:50:20 decimation: "Aircraft conducting WAAS approaches must possess certified GPS receivers, which are much more expensive than non-certified units. In 2006, Garmin's least expensive certified receiver, the GNS 430W, had a suggested retail price of US$10,750.[27]"

04:51:13 decimation: aircraft are very effective at bleeding rich folk

04:52:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29540 @ 0.00052766 = 15.5871 BTC [-]

04:52:59 Vexual: only if you admit

04:53:09 decimation: admit to owning one?

04:54:00 Vexual: yeah

04:54:23 Vexual: some bitch will always go back for her shoes

04:54:26 decimation: I wish; I view blowing a few $k on computers and electronics to be a big expense

04:54:57 decimation: yet along paying $10k for something that can be had for $200 or less

04:57:49 asciilifeform: other thing re: gps is that there is ~still~ an encrypted band (as of a few yrs ago, ~two~ separate ones)

04:58:04 Vexual: wait wot?

04:58:08 asciilifeform: idea being that hitler can order the public band jammed, when he wants.

04:58:46 Vexual: oh, yes

04:59:00 decimation: yeah I think there are still two encrypted signals

04:59:19 Vexual: still look for mountains

04:59:37 decimation: hitler would only do this (in a civilized place) at the cost of massive disruption to many things

04:59:58 decimation: to the point where it's probably almost unthinkable unless under threat of immediate attack

05:00:08 Vexual: it happens a lot

05:00:29 Vexual: for sport as ascii said

05:00:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10013 @ 0.00052766 = 5.2835 BTC [-]

05:00:45 decimation: !up Vexual

05:01:10 decimation: Vexual: it would be a big deal if civilian gps service were degraded

05:01:33 Vexual: no

05:01:40 asciilifeform: anybody's guess whether gps will decay from sat attrition (as glonas did in the 'roarin' 90s' ru) before usa implodes, civilian aviation on its territory Officially ends, and public freebie is turned off

05:01:56 decimation: ^ yeah that's honestly a bigger threat

05:02:10 asciilifeform: sorta one of the places i was going with ntp.

05:02:10 decimation: usg can no longer employ/manage to keep the thing running

05:02:18 asciilifeform: can't/won't/forgot

05:03:09 decimation: http://gpsworld.com/next-gen-gps-ground-control-system-in-question/ "A March 2013 report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) seems to claim that the projected cost of the next-generation GPS ground-control system, known as OCX, increased by 43 percent, or $1 billion over the past year, to a total cost estimate of $3.7 billion."

05:03:10 assbot: GPS OCX Ground Control in GAO Report : GPS World ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaCpm )

05:03:42 asciilifeform: if cheap autonomous flying machines haven't reignited usg interest in geographically-selected gps jamming, nothing will

05:04:07 asciilifeform: i suspect the equipment, protocol, the inescapable 3-ring binders, are all in place.

05:04:13 Vexual: hey you're getting cheap clocks

05:04:21 decimation: http://www.insidegnss.com/node/3054 "“We'll be ready to launch the first GPS III in 2015, but it now appears the next generation GPS Operational Control System, or OCX, won't be ready for about a year or two after that,” General William L. Shelton, commander of Air Force Space Command told attendees at the 28th Annual National Space Symposium. "

05:04:22 assbot: First GPS III Launch Delayed by Up to a Year, OCX by Two Years | Inside GNSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaI0q )

05:04:52 decimation: asciilifeform: sure, but it takes balls to pull the trigger

05:05:16 asciilifeform: why?

05:05:31 decimation: http://spacenews.com/launch-of-first-gps-3-satellite-now-not-expected-until-2017/

05:05:32 assbot: Launch of First GPS 3 Satellite Now Not Expected Until 2017 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaMNG )

05:05:47 decimation: if over a civilized area there are going to be lots of innocent bystanders

05:05:47 asciilifeform: that particular trigger is pulled every time fuhrer rolls by in his fuhrermobile

05:06:09 asciilifeform: i sometimes drive around with gps display, and more than once found myself in africa

05:06:12 decimation: it would be interesting to know if they actually jam gps

05:06:14 asciilifeform: or an ocean

05:06:21 asciilifeform: they do.

05:06:25 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cxr1-b6Xkc

05:06:40 decimation: that's a big deal, especially with all the aircraft around wash dc

05:06:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16337 @ 0.0005292 = 8.6455 BTC [+]

05:06:53 asciilifeform: aircraft in usa are not permitted to rely solely on gps!

05:07:01 decimation: no, but still

05:07:14 Vexual: don't be messing with the 55 track!

05:07:17 asciilifeform: http://www.quora.com/What-would-be-the-consequences-of-reinstating-GPS-selective-availability

05:07:18 assbot: What would be the consequences of reinstating GPS selective availability? - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1JYaTsC )

05:07:18 decimation: not for precision approach in heavy weather anyway

05:07:20 asciilifeform: ^ as described here

05:07:41 decimation: there's a huge difference between selective availablity and turning off service

05:07:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63182 @ 0.00051183 = 32.3384 BTC [-] {4}

05:08:10 decimation: I suppose now is the time to buy your H-maser

05:08:26 decimation: instead of when gps is kaput

05:08:45 asciilifeform: i personally don't expect to outlive gps by an especially long time.

05:08:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18790 @ 0.00050776 = 9.5408 BTC [-] {2}

05:08:52 Vexual: its kaput in any sector every day

05:09:31 Vexual: you can't tell coz its under 2 hours

05:09:56 *: decimation to bed, to dream of all the lion's mouths into which his head is voluntarily stuck

05:10:06 *: asciilifeform also off to bed

05:12:07 Vexual: suchvolcano

05:14:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37648 @ 0.00050707 = 19.0902 BTC [-] {2}

05:15:23 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwRl1eQXsbs

05:15:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7129 @ 0.00050505 = 3.6005 BTC [-]

05:17:07 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUmpGFcdFyE

06:09:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49533 @ 0.00050097 = 24.8145 BTC [-] {4}

06:27:55 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/09/us-japan-nato-missile-exclusive-idUSKCN0PJ2RV20150709

06:27:56 assbot: Exclusive: Japan interested in joining NATO missile consortium | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1Scte70 )

06:40:02 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/1DxCMWo.png

06:40:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRBN5H )

07:01:25 punkman: trinque: this python-gnupg is a motherfucking piece of shit << which one are you using?

07:02:26 trinque: https://pythonhosted.org/python-gnupg/ << newest of this

07:02:30 assbot: python-gnupg - A Python wrapper for GnuPG — Python Wrapper for GnuPG v0.3.7 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1HREcxs )

07:02:51 punkman: you want this one https://github.com/isislovecruft/python-gnupg

07:02:52 assbot: isislovecruft/python-gnupg · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HREh46 )

07:03:27 punkman: asciilifeform: iirc 2 chokes on just about anything other than straight ascii << I rarely have problems with that

07:03:27 trinque: punkman: cool, I'll try that out

07:12:20 punkman: there's also python-gpgme that skips the "pipe to shell" retardation

07:12:29 punkman: though nobody uses gpgme so I'm wary

07:17:10 punkman: (here it is https://launchpad.net/pygpgme )

07:17:11 assbot: PyGPGME in Launchpad ... ( http://bit.ly/1ScxuDE )

07:22:45 mircea_popescu: shinohai so never got an email huh ?

07:22:57 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hm ?

07:25:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196167 << kinda weird. i have it in my log, but it's not on website log. did assbot get split or something ?

07:25:47 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 02:44:42; asciilifeform: or in log.bitcoin-assets.com !

07:26:42 mircea_popescu: heh i also had the wrong one up. nm

07:27:25 punkman: Al walked in when the doge was derping, unfortunate

07:28:16 punkman: (no ddos, he closed the page both times)

07:28:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196225 << yes. and published.

07:28:26 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 03:14:47; asciilifeform: ~another~ interesting scientific instrument would be a fly trap for invalid tx

07:28:46 mircea_popescu: punkman the time intervals don't at all match a ddos. that's usually a 5 minute stay.

07:31:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48138 @ 0.00049707 = 23.928 BTC [-] {2}

07:31:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196295 << i dunno man... fatties destroying scales and you expect lazy aspies to wanna buy clocks ?

07:31:14 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 03:55:37; decimation: surely the market is nonzero

07:32:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4422 @ 0.00049706 = 2.198 BTC [-]

07:35:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196364 << only failed because the euros decided to waste moar moneyz

07:35:01 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 04:44:37; asciilifeform: galileo was also in planning at the time (ru 'glonas' was in a serious state of decay and not relevant) and one legend goes that clinton's order was a failed gambit to sink it

07:39:40 punkman: "Gogglebox is a British observational documentary which has aired on Channel 4 since 7 March 2013. The show features recurring couples, families and friends from across the United Kingdom sitting in their living rooms watching weekly British television shows."

07:39:43 punkman: such meta

07:40:20 fluffypony: I read that as Googlebox

07:40:30 mircea_popescu: "observational documentary" ? wtf, new words = no content.

07:41:12 punkman: apparently it's been copied by US, AU, Canada, Italy, Poland, Slovenia, Israel and Germany.

07:41:56 mircea_popescu: sure, cheap format.

07:42:21 mircea_popescu: i was walking through town today, and tons of advertising for... ANT MAN.

07:42:31 mircea_popescu: which is yet another "dude in scooba gear" "movie".

07:42:40 mircea_popescu: question : why all these masked "hero" bullshits ?

07:42:40 punkman: hah

07:43:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34024 @ 0.00049706 = 16.912 BTC [-]

07:43:36 punkman: kabuki of "super heroes"

07:43:58 mircea_popescu: answer : they really dun wanna pour all that money into AN ACTOR's own capital good.

07:44:02 mircea_popescu: wear the fucking mask.

07:44:11 mircea_popescu: i dunno how the screen guild stands for it, but... it does.

07:45:35 mircea_popescu: an' in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/30db452b7a40c2ae6fe3ce321f95d89d/tumblr_na11k1mBSA1tv6w3wo1_1280.jpg

07:45:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVvv6O )

07:46:05 punkman: cute

07:46:08 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> answer : they really dun wanna pour all that money into AN ACTOR's own capital good. << This. Also they don't have to write new stories which they couldn't.

07:46:36 mircea_popescu: right. no more of that "seinfeld doesn't wanna do more shows so he gets a bn dollars and then decides when to end the series"

07:46:41 mircea_popescu: mask.

07:47:10 punkman: but they don't wear the mask during the whole movie

07:47:52 punkman: usually have long sequences of unmasked derpy "clark"

07:48:17 BingoBoingo: Well with the superhero movies now it the standard seems to be signing the actors to 7-10 movie long contracts.

07:48:44 mircea_popescu: !up heh too slow.

07:48:59 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell xemist you know this is irc not a forum. you gotta stick around for anything to work.

07:48:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:49:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo options, not pop.

07:49:35 BingoBoingo: sure

07:50:35 punkman: interesting https://github.com/gigablast/open-source-search-engine

07:50:37 assbot: gigablast/open-source-search-engine · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjDHdW )

07:52:02 mircea_popescu: lots of these neh ?

07:52:13 BingoBoingo: So stator with experimental minrelaytxfee option patch was syncing well as a drop in replacement for previous stator on testbed then laptop became unplugged and battery dead. Restarted with -rescan because BDB hates stopping suddenly and the blockindex is screwed.

07:52:21 punkman: mircea_popescu: not really

07:52:41 BingoBoingo: Other than the hardware/filesystem hiccup seems to work so far.

07:53:52 mircea_popescu: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131813/postmortem_irrational_games_.php < vaguely interesting.

07:53:53 assbot: Gamasutra - Postmortem: Irrational Games' System Shock 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HjDQhF )

07:54:07 mircea_popescu: from that "how start-up fails" angle, for the collector.

08:04:11 *: BingoBoingo still amazed at the difference between http://dpaste.com/3XVTZ6H and https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2577/files seriously can't wait for that tool to measure behavior to tell if it actually works.

08:04:12 assbot: dpaste: 3XVTZ6H ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVxFmZ )

08:04:14 assbot: Treat dust outputs as non-standard, un-hardcode TX_FEE constants by gavinandresen · Pull Request #2577 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVxF6A )

08:04:14 scoopbot_revived: What the market is and what it isn't. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/10/what-the-market-is-and-what-it-isnt/

08:14:10 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttfinex

08:14:12 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.31, Best ask: 271.38, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 271.4, 24 hour volume: 25826.5008129, 24 hour low: 267.81, 24 hour high: 273.0, 24 hour vwap: None

08:19:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106500 @ 0.00050315 = 53.5855 BTC [+] {2}

08:29:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70450 @ 0.00049894 = 35.1503 BTC [-] {2}

08:38:36 punkman: http://www.gigablast.com/admin.html#features

08:38:38 assbot: FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRs2GJ )

08:52:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00049703 = 28.4798 BTC [-] {2}

09:02:28 BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve

09:02:33 BingoBoingo: !up shinohai

09:02:39 BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli

09:02:45 shinohai: ty BingoBoingo

09:02:50 HeySteve: hi, thanks

09:03:59 scoopbot_revived: Transaction Fee Market Develops Amid Surge in Transaction Volume http://qntra.net/2015/07/transaction-fee-market-develops-amid-surge-in-transaction-volume/

09:06:58 BingoBoingo: So recovered the instance of bitcoind-stator-minrelaytxfeeconfflag to resume old stator's sync. And now I started it on a fresh one.

09:07:42 jurov: williamdunne: why do you ask me of all people about steam?

09:08:46 shinohai: I have to do another build sometime this weekend I guess

09:09:09 felipelalli: hi BingoBoingo! Thanks for remember. How are you?

09:09:20 BingoBoingo: not bad

09:09:27 felipelalli: not bad is bad.

09:11:02 BingoBoingo: shinohai: I don't have a formal patch for this, just a recipe in dpaste. Not comfortable enough to formally submit. All it is supposed to do is allow you to set the -minrelaytxfee flag in Bitcoin.conf which isn't a big deal because if you are building it you can just change the number in main.h

09:11:12 BingoBoingo: felipelalli: It really isn't bad at all.

09:11:46 shinohai: That's what i did was change main.h

09:12:11 shinohai: but i goofed somewhere and my static build isn't very static on the pogo.

09:13:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00050099 = 23.0455 BTC [+] {2}

09:14:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00050562 = 12.1349 BTC [+] {2}

09:17:13 punkman: http://www.miningpool.co.uk/amir-taaki-backs-up-ross-ulbrichts-claim-of-leaving-silk-road-after-creating-it/

09:17:16 assbot: Amir Taaki Backs Up Ross Ulbricht’s Claim of Leaving Silk Road After Creating It - Mining Pool ... ( http://bit.ly/1HROMEL )

09:17:30 punkman: well if amir is backing it...

09:18:35 punkman: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11729659/Taxman-gets-new-US-style-powers-to-raid-tens-of-thousands-of-personal-bank-accounts-to-recover-debts.html

09:18:36 assbot: Taxman gets new US-style powers to raid tens of thousands of personal bank accounts to recover debts - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1HROUns )

09:29:56 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/qiVeJ

09:29:57 assbot: Bitcoin price rallies sharply as robust transaction fee market develops proving the naysayers were wrong. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRPMbS )

09:35:14 BingoBoingo: Qntra bunny is now in 10th place on /r/bitcoin's front page

09:37:20 shinohai: \o/

09:37:45 shinohai: ./|\

09:38:11 BingoBoingo: It's been a while

09:38:59 shinohai: I used to have like a ton of reddit troll accounts

09:39:10 BingoBoingo: This one was not one of mine

09:39:32 BingoBoingo: Also F2Pool celebrating the TxMarket https://blockchain.info/tx/cb550c9a1c63498f7ecb7bafc6f915318f16bb54069ff6257b4e069b97b367c8?show_adv=true

09:39:37 shinohai: Still good for qntra

09:40:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.00050654 = 20.5655 BTC [+]

09:40:37 BingoBoingo: Yeah

09:41:15 BingoBoingo: I stopped submitting qntra to reddit myself, because I'd rather just make reddit a more miserable place on my own without the bunny drawing aggro

09:41:29 shinohai: I like stirring thee pot with r/crypto too.

09:42:20 shinohai: I posted a qntra article there and got the most downvotes EVAH

09:43:57 BingoBoingo: lol

09:44:17 shinohai: http://redd.it/3crw7p

09:44:18 assbot: Is there any code left written by Satoshi? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HRQOV9 )

09:44:19 BingoBoingo: I honestly prefer dropping qntra links in /buttcoin

09:44:24 shinohai: ^ therealbitcoin heh

09:45:06 shinohai: I had snapshill bot working so perfect before the blackout

09:59:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.0005076 = 31.6996 BTC [+] {2}

10:06:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56301 @ 0.00050079 = 28.195 BTC [-] {2}

10:07:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17449 @ 0.0004969 = 8.6704 BTC [-]

10:13:13 shinohai: >>> http://cryptomatic.io/products/the-cryptomat-silver


10:34:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97260 @ 0.00051073 = 49.6736 BTC [+] {3}

10:37:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00051403 = 5.8085 BTC [+]

10:50:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 45 @ 0.08 = 3.6 BTC [+]

11:01:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109550 @ 0.00051504 = 56.4226 BTC [+] {2}

11:21:06 jurov: ;;ticker

11:21:07 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 286.43, Best ask: 286.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 286.43, 24 hour volume: 60789.47237163, 24 hour low: 267.81, 24 hour high: 292.66, 24 hour vwap: None

11:21:15 jurov: !t m x.eur

11:21:15 assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00404251 / 0.0040653 / 0.00407783 (292 shares, 1.19 BTC), 7D: 0.00404251 / 0.0040951 / 0.00435631 (2398 shares, 9.82 BTC), 30D: 0.00136203 / 0.00431765 / 0.00494794 (6607 shares, 28.53 BTC)

11:21:54 jurov: ;;calc 1/0.00397737

11:21:54 gribble: 251.422422354

12:18:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27634 @ 0.00049654 = 13.7214 BTC [-] {4}

13:58:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58400 @ 0.00050037 = 29.2216 BTC [+]

14:17:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88950 @ 0.00050708 = 45.1048 BTC [+] {3}

14:29:56 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/07/ht-email-addresses.htm

14:29:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1UJI0WT )

14:37:59 asciilifeform: Xemist was here ?

14:38:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00051811 = 29.7913 BTC [+]

14:39:02 decimation: yes, from two different ips apparently

14:39:13 asciilifeform: probably looking for a proxy that works

14:39:21 asciilifeform: three differents, so far

14:42:41 asciilifeform: has anyone recently probed for the continued existence of the ddos bot ?

14:42:55 asciilifeform: because i'm pretty sure it's still here.

14:44:50 *: Adlai may have gotten whacked by it, a while back

14:45:16 decimation: he might have come back after the latest excitement

14:45:27 Adlai: while = 2-3 weeks

14:46:14 asciilifeform: i still don't see why kakobrekla doesn't make the chan invite-only. anyone who wants in would pm one of the folks speaking. just like voice currently works

14:46:24 asciilifeform: what do we need the idling remoras for ?

14:47:09 Adlai: well there is something to be said for openness, although "requests will be honored by default" is still rather open

14:47:44 asciilifeform: what openness, when tomorrow, e.g., taleb, logs in, and gets ddosed off by a tard

14:48:16 asciilifeform: who wants just to read - can read the www log

14:49:37 decimation: how about a policy of randomly kicking people who are remoras?

14:49:54 asciilifeform: decimation: i don't understand why there has to be anything random about it

14:50:00 asciilifeform: FUCK THEM

14:50:03 asciilifeform: all of them

14:50:26 asciilifeform: l0l

14:50:28 kakobrekla: you do it.

14:50:33 decimation: awesome

14:50:42 mats: what's to say someone that's voiced isn't feeding IPs for ddos

14:50:50 mats: ?

14:50:58 asciilifeform: mats: a fungus among us! (tm) (R)

14:51:18 *: asciilifeform checks back of head for parasite crab

14:51:23 decimation: gabriel_laddel: did you get ddos-kicked?

14:51:38 Adlai: mats is right.anybody doing ddos-botting is already feeding links into the channel

14:52:12 Adlai: if you mean lurking for ips through uncloaked hosts... the uncloaked fools should know better -_-

14:52:21 decimation: well, that was kinda the conclusion last time

14:52:27 decimation: it was a service provided by tards

14:52:42 Adlai: !s fivezerotwo

14:52:43 assbot: 206 results for 'fivezerotwo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fivezerotwo

14:52:59 Adlai: for the tards, of the tards, by the tards

14:53:07 decimation: but there exists a class of non-irc-savvy people who are actual people

14:53:17 *: asciilifeform bbl, off to the uranium mines

14:53:17 Adlai: lies

14:53:25 *: decimation too

14:53:46 kakobrekla: what, dont you dare to press the button?

14:53:59 *: asciilifeform promises to press some buttons, later.

14:54:07 kakobrekla: k

14:56:37 punkman: btw, you could probably decloak everyone without even being in channel

14:56:50 kakobrekla: true

14:56:51 punkman: unless freenode patched it

15:00:32 Adlai: you'd have no list of 'everyone'

15:00:42 kakobrekla: log is enough

15:01:01 Adlai: log doesn't have lurkers

15:01:16 kakobrekla: but if you have only lurkers you dont have a chan really

15:03:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54850 @ 0.00051693 = 28.3536 BTC [-]

15:05:06 punkman: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-10/markets-love-the-greek-proposal

15:05:07 assbot: Markets Love the Greek Proposal - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LZT1Ay )

15:05:37 shinohai: i lurk >.>

15:05:56 shinohai: Halls of the #b-a monastery

15:08:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82350 @ 0.00051941 = 42.7734 BTC [+]

15:14:23 Adlai: true lurkers don't even /join, what else are logs for

15:15:47 Naphex: lurkers gonna lurk

15:15:51 Naphex: don't tell me what to do ;]

15:16:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00051693 = 18.5061 BTC [-]

15:19:57 williamdunne: jurov: There was a thought process behind it, but not a though process to be proud of.

15:24:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00050928 = 10.9241 BTC [-]

15:40:39 lobbesbot: New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Matthias_Schmidt ; ) http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B3A2E526E50140EE75C270884290DB8270F202BA7E2382F7F20D735D62E0104E#CB5B4CC7349D53137B86679F668640AC8692B8D4B44C2F782602460B0B870C06

15:40:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 )

15:53:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00050928 = 19.5054 BTC [-]

16:05:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23904 @ 0.00050638 = 12.1045 BTC [-]

16:36:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 61000 @ 0.00003009 = 1.8355 BTC [-] {4}

16:43:46 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196593 << eh I bet it's just other disqus users who were curious about the link

16:43:46 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 14:39:21; asciilifeform: three differents, so far

16:45:39 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196617 << i've been uncloaked through the whole thing and only once or twice was i knocked off and even in those cases i'm not sure it was the ddosser

16:45:39 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 14:52:12; Adlai: if you mean lurking for ips through uncloaked hosts... the uncloaked fools should know better -_-

16:53:33 Adlai: then perhaps they were targeting based on link-follows

16:53:43 Adlai: which is tbh more consistent with what happened a few weeks ago

16:54:06 *: Adlai experienced sudden router failure mere moments after rejoining freenode, same router had functioned just fine for a while before

16:54:27 danielpbarron: i "click" most of the links here by pasting them into archive.is

16:54:47 Adlai: aka "why is wotnet notyet"

16:55:28 *: danielpbarron wonders if assbot can automatically submit urls to archive.is like he currently submits them to bit.ly

16:55:49 Adlai: no that is clearly a violation of intergalactic law

16:56:18 *: danielpbarron also wonders what is the correct gender pronoun for a bot, and in particular, assbot

16:57:35 danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf2wbRWb9xI "obligatory" and also has tits

16:57:36 assbot: Basshunter - Boten Anna (Original Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUj1Ni )

16:58:53 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

17:01:52 ascii_field: one possible idea re: how to let n00bs speak: host a few 'bathyscaphe' bots, having www-based chat on one end and a pre-regged cloaked account on the other. but if a bozo connect to one, can be signalled from here to add his ip to ban list.

17:02:47 ascii_field: i can already guess what mircea_popescu will say to this: 'we don't dignify sp4mz0rz by reacting to anything they do'

17:03:01 ascii_field: kakobrekla will answer, not unreasonably, 'how about ~you~ do this'

17:03:14 ascii_field: i will answer 'i shall do it, in my Copious Spare Time! (tm)'

17:05:34 ascii_field: meanwhile taleb and uncleal will log in, witness a thread about dogecoin, then get a flood of ddos, vomit, and never return

17:05:39 fluffypony: danielpbarron: the lyrics are my favourite: http://artists.letssingit.com/basshunter-lyrics-boten-anna-translated-to-english-4z56w84

17:05:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUjU8D )

17:05:46 fluffypony: "she can ban, ban you so hard"

17:07:16 ascii_field: my current hypothesis is that all the relevant folks are waiting for 'gossipd' and don't give much of a fuck

17:08:14 ascii_field: however, some of the same work will have to be done then

17:08:48 ascii_field: in particular, www gateways to gossip net will necessarily resemble the 'bathyscaphe' i described above

17:08:56 ascii_field: and will come under every conceivable kind of attack

17:09:29 ascii_field: ~precisely~ in order to get us to switch them off

17:10:02 ascii_field: this entire line of thought is not entirely disconnected from the 'transaction spam' thread

17:13:04 trinque: Adlai | aka "why is wotnet notyet" << hear hear

17:13:14 Adlai: artifexd: wtf

17:13:34 Adlai: where's the grindstone and where's your nose, and why are neither bloody

17:14:28 Adlai: ascii_field: the lack of dignification is aka the refusal to be terrosrized

17:15:05 Adlai: which is largely how the <western nation> lost <war> long before the first grunt printed the first boot in the desert

17:16:47 ascii_field: Adlai: i think he went off to learn c

17:16:59 Adlai: lolololotroll

17:17:07 trinque: really isn't a "learn C" task eh?

17:17:32 Adlai: tbpfh, wotnet could be build using the shell, even pre-rebirth

17:17:42 ascii_field: mno.

17:17:47 trinque: Adlai: heh I wrote two bash oneliners for cheap p2p chat

17:17:56 ascii_field: 'wall'

17:17:56 Adlai: mya.

17:17:58 ascii_field: comes with unix5

17:18:03 ascii_field: but NOT WOTNET

17:18:54 Adlai: wake me up when eternal september ends.

17:19:34 ascii_field: ends when we end it.

17:19:42 trinque: the luser final solution.

17:19:49 ascii_field: luserwagen.

17:20:26 Adlai: "we"L

17:20:49 *: Adlai educates the qwerty-sheltered public that L is a common dvorak typo for the query suffix

17:21:25 Adlai: who knows how many log-lurkers there are!

17:21:56 trinque: !up Xuthus

17:22:08 Adlai: !s xuthus

17:22:09 assbot: 23 results for 'xuthus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xuthus

17:22:34 trinque: !down Xuthus

17:23:14 Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2015#1022379 LOL

17:23:14 assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 18:00:13; Xuthus: mircea_popescu, why don't you go and code something ?

17:23:53 decimation: http://blog.bofh.it/id_456 < "Short summary: if these emails are true, and so far nobody has found any credible reason to believe that they are not, then some major italian ISPs hijacked the IP addresses of a foreign ISP on request of the section of the Carabinieri which investigates terrorism and organized crime."

17:23:54 assbot: Hacking Team and a case of BGP hijacking ... ( http://bit.ly/1eNgU0e )

17:24:46 Adlai: "never trust a fart^H^H^H^H^Hn IP address" - bill murray

17:25:31 ascii_field: jurov ^

17:25:36 ascii_field: re: ntp thread.

17:30:11 thestringpuller: !up ascii_field

17:34:22 thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cs3q8/bitcoin_price_rallies_sharply_as_robust/ << cazalla BingoBoingo massive lulz and butthurt

17:37:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118300 @ 0.00050928 = 60.2478 BTC [+]

17:37:54 ascii_field: oderint dum metuant (tm) (r)

17:39:45 thestringpuller: nigga, hate fuels MPOE stock prices. we'll probably be able to trade hate as a currency soon with all the butthurt.

17:43:22 shinohai: hmm [MPEX] [HATE] *fueled by reddit

17:46:23 thestringpuller: I always wondered about archiving the most idiotic of the reddit comments on bitcoin somewhere as entertainment

17:49:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00050928 = 6.748 BTC [+]

17:52:02 trinque: no, lisp and other wonderful things were thrown down the memory hole by these fucks

17:52:06 trinque: it's their turn to be forgotten.

17:52:49 ascii_field: trinque: important to remember that these folks are just as powerless to do constructive things as they are to do serious damage

17:52:58 ascii_field: what if they ~had~ wished for lisp machine?

17:53:08 ascii_field: i'll have you know that reddit circa 2006-2007 - sorta did!

17:53:16 trinque: ascii_field: yeah, I recall

17:53:20 trinque: was written in CL first

17:53:29 ascii_field: not the operators

17:53:34 ascii_field: but the regulars on the site

17:53:45 ascii_field: were sympathetic to the idea. but nothing came of it, as nothing could have

17:53:51 trinque: yeah, I see your point about good ideas in the wrong hands

17:53:52 ascii_field: you can't crowdsource a moonshot.

17:54:15 ascii_field: a pile of shit? happily

17:55:36 trinque: all the better reason for them to be forgotten

17:55:50 ascii_field: who?

17:55:51 trinque: whatever's left of them can keep an oral tradition

17:55:54 trinque: redditards

17:56:09 ascii_field: reddit clearly doesn't try to remember anything

17:56:20 ascii_field: i once logged in, and for amusement tried to access some of my old posts

17:56:21 ascii_field: gone

17:56:36 trinque: heh, plowed under

17:56:56 ascii_field: most recently, when digging out the 'mother nature' infanticide study link for ben_vulpes

17:57:11 ascii_field: for several years, my link to it was among the top few all-time hits on reddit

17:58:21 trinque: when it had one subreddit and wasn't well known you could almost have a conversation on there

17:58:27 trinque: s/sub//

17:58:28 ascii_field: aha

18:04:19 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:04:30 mircea_popescu: hallo ascii_field

18:04:45 ascii_field: http://wrtnode.com << now only a factor of ~2 away from pogo bang/bux

18:04:47 assbot: WRTnode Opened for $25 ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcsurI )

18:05:13 ascii_field: (it still needs a chassis, power, storage, ... clock!)

18:05:34 *: ascii_field has not tried this device

18:08:06 ascii_field: https://wikidevi.com/wiki/MediaTek_MT7620 << fairly classic

18:08:08 assbot: MediaTek MT7620 - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcsLLc )

18:08:35 ascii_field: http://www.anz.ru/files/mediatek/MT7620_Datasheet.pdf

18:09:19 ascii_field: iirc it is similar to the chipset in 'hootoo'

18:09:59 ascii_field: http://www.aliexpress.com/price/mt7620_price.html << can, supposedly, be sourced !

18:10:01 assbot: Compare Prices on Mt7620- Online Shopping/Buy Low Price Mt7620 at Factory Price | Aliexpress.com | Alibaba Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcsW9m )

18:12:54 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/IeZdl << Oh the lulz

18:12:57 assbot: Bitcoin price rallies sharply as robust transaction fee market develops proving the naysayers were wrong. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cva2Q0 )

18:14:49 mircea_popescu: bwahaha

18:15:21 *: trinque notices the confederate flag under the rabbit

18:15:22 trinque: loool

18:15:46 ascii_field: Xiaomi Router sells 7620-based routers for ~25-35 usd, with usb jacks (but 128m ram, as pogo)

18:15:59 mircea_popescu: qntra comtinues to bring home the wins.

18:16:21 ascii_field: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mini << them.

18:16:22 assbot: Xiaomi MiWiFi Mini [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GctImA )

18:16:36 *: ascii_field not overly fond of 'wifi'

18:16:59 BingoBoingo: Reddit still shows 40+ points inspite of being 40% downvoted.

18:17:31 mircea_popescu: dude, the wishful thinking of the empire of fail matters so very much...

18:17:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99748 @ 0.00050149 = 50.0226 BTC [-] {3}

18:17:42 mircea_popescu: every mother warned her daughter about the perils of fast cars throughout the 60s.

18:17:47 mircea_popescu: so very well that worked, srsly.

18:18:15 ben_vulpes: anyone running dd-wrt have a recommendation on midprice router hardware?

18:18:30 trinque: ben_vulpes: I had it running on a buffalo something

18:18:33 trinque: was cheap, did the job

18:18:38 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: it will run on just about anything

18:19:00 ben_vulpes: certainly, but i'd like something nice-/ish/

18:19:18 ben_vulpes: i have eight people here and this consumer object is falling over

18:19:35 mircea_popescu: omg get them to play eulora!!11

18:19:43 ben_vulpes: get outta heah!

18:20:10 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: that 'ufo'-like thing by the people who made 'edgerouter' - the same one i whined about and posted disassembly photos - runs wrt pretty well

18:20:14 ascii_field: 100% uptime since feb.

18:20:15 mircea_popescu: no u! it's graet gaem

18:20:44 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

18:20:49 gribble: Current Blocks: 364739 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 156 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.55833

18:20:49 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

18:20:51 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 288.64, Best ask: 288.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 288.73, 24 hour volume: 70201.9012057, 24 hour low: 268.58, 24 hour high: 292.66, 24 hour vwap: None

18:20:57 mircea_popescu: mmkay

18:21:03 ben_vulpes: rallymoad?

18:21:21 trinque: iirc mircea_popescu called 300 a week or two ago

18:21:59 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: "unifi ap"?

18:22:03 ascii_field: aha

18:22:11 ascii_field: but don't even think about trying to use the included firmware

18:22:13 mircea_popescu: trinque thought it was more like 5 days or somesuch

18:22:14 ascii_field: it's worthless

18:22:19 BingoBoingo: More lulz today http://www.citylab.com/commute/2015/07/iowa-makes-a-bold-admission-we-need-fewer-roads/398021/ << Iowas gives up on Roads!!!

18:22:19 assbot: Iowa's DOT Chief Expects the State's Road Network to Shrink - CityLab ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcuccA )

18:22:22 trinque: mircea_popescu: ya could've been

18:22:26 ben_vulpes: ascii_field: wipe and slam with dd-wrt?

18:22:34 ascii_field: or other unixlike

18:22:56 ben_vulpes: ah that's delightfully affordable

18:23:10 ascii_field: ben_vulpes: comes with power-over-ethernet brick

18:23:15 ascii_field: at least, mine did

18:23:16 punkman: have a look at http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page

18:23:17 assbot: linux-sunxi.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcugZX )

18:23:31 punkman: supports a lot of chinese boxes

18:23:32 ascii_field: (the 'ufo' has no dc jack. gotta supply dc bias on the ethernet cable)

18:24:48 ben_vulpes: neat trick.

18:29:44 mircea_popescu: williamdunne btw you know about #eulora do you ?

18:30:17 thestringpuller: ascii_field: can't crowdsource a cumshot. save that for the professionals.

18:30:30 mircea_popescu: lmao say wut ?

18:30:36 mircea_popescu: !s bukkake

18:30:37 assbot: 15 results for 'bukkake' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bukkake

18:30:52 ascii_field: !b 5

18:30:52 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/19RJ7SW.txt )

18:35:08 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:35:18 asciilifeform: !up Gabriel-work

18:36:05 mircea_popescu: gabriel WORK !?

18:36:13 mircea_popescu: da fuck last thing i ever expected to see.

18:36:19 Gabriel-work: lol

18:36:31 mircea_popescu: what do you work ? :D

18:36:44 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he might know how to eat tree bark, but still has to pay for bandwidth, no ?

18:36:53 mircea_popescu: ascii_field btw is mr xemist all butthurt at our new fangled techs ?

18:36:54 Gabriel-work: ascii_field: other people pay for my bandwith

18:36:56 Gabriel-work: and my food

18:37:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00051949 = 31.1694 BTC [+] {2}

18:37:05 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he hasn't mailed me back

18:37:07 *: Gabriel-work had antipasta for breakfast

18:37:11 mircea_popescu: he could be a woman in tech, if he had any tits.

18:37:25 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and i could be an anteater

18:37:37 Gabriel-work: anyways, I work with lab equipment and CL

18:37:37 *: ascii_field signs up for ant-eating academy

18:37:38 mircea_popescu: if you had the nose.

18:37:39 Gabriel-work: and russians

18:37:43 ascii_field: precisely, if the nose

18:37:54 mircea_popescu: Gabriel-work the heavy drinking, lithe natasha type ?

18:37:59 mircea_popescu: or the noseless ant eater type ?

18:38:05 Gabriel-work: the latter

18:38:14 Gabriel-work: I think they'd like Stas

18:47:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45913 @ 0.00049609 = 22.777 BTC [-] {2}

18:48:01 mircea_popescu: !up qntranet

18:49:44 mircea_popescu: http://mmocadet.com/ <<

18:49:45 assbot: MMO Cadet - YOUR GUIDE TO THE VERSE-ES ... ( http://bit.ly/1M05PXV )

18:49:49 mircea_popescu: inaugural post. also happens to be last post.

18:49:57 mircea_popescu: the internet is so full of sad stories.

18:51:44 mircea_popescu: but, on the brighter side, also a lot of butthurt. http://40.media.tumblr.com/aaacdb7330ec2c3cf1a1bcc07580c961/tumblr_n02tli4eQH1trou22o1_1280.jpg

18:51:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1M05W5y )

18:54:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195844 << incidentally kako has a golden point. if you actually solder a clock in there, suddenly it does have rng

18:54:59 assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 22:35:26; kakobrekla: yet

18:55:11 ascii_field: clock != rng

18:55:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2015#1195851 << should be user-settable!

18:55:25 assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 22:38:18; asciilifeform: ^^ i dare to suggest that the patch be considered by therealbitcoin ^^

18:55:35 mircea_popescu: ascii_field close enough, since any two clocks are an entropy measuring tool.

18:55:57 ascii_field: pretty bad tool unless the resolution of said clocks is high

18:56:00 mircea_popescu: and any programmable computer necessarily has an interrupt clock

18:56:02 ascii_field: (1sec certainly doesn't cut it)

18:56:05 mircea_popescu: so adding a 2nd => rng.

18:56:41 ascii_field: thing is, rng needs attributes ~other~ than 'shits entropy'. namely, not to be correlated with variables manipulable or monitorable by enemy

18:56:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have no idea what sort of an argument is this. there's no such thing as good or bad entropy. the thing is unqualifiable by definition. do you mean that you'd have to wait longer to generate a strong address? so you would.

18:56:52 ascii_field: interrupts are precisely the wrong kind of animal

18:56:54 mircea_popescu: at the rate people use adresses you need something like 1 byte of entropy per hour.

18:58:50 ascii_field: 'bad entropy' is easy: the kind which the enemy can cut you off from by silencing your net connection; or the kind he can guess some bits of, by watching packets (no interrupt source in pogo is in any sense entropic other than the NIC's)

18:59:53 mircea_popescu: i guess, but there's some practical security considerations here.

18:59:59 ascii_field: at any rate, if you really must have rng on pogo for some perverse reason, can do it right now

19:00:00 mircea_popescu: yes, you can't run satoshi dice off a pogo.

19:00:02 ascii_field: using the emulated rtc

19:00:11 mircea_popescu: yes, you'll prolly be safe to keep a coupla btc for going to porcfest.

19:00:14 ascii_field: you don't need calendar date for rng-from-interrupts

19:00:58 shinohai: $poker

19:00:59 mircea_popescu: rtc/interrupts seems to me a much worse scheme than ic2 clock / interrupts

19:04:07 ascii_field: ic2 ?

19:06:32 ben_vulpes: k

19:06:38 mircea_popescu: i2c

19:07:29 mircea_popescu: incidentally, gotta say that laser cooled cesium clock thing is pretty spiffy an idea.

19:07:47 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

19:07:50 ascii_field: 1950s idea

19:08:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235200 @ 0.00052394 = 123.2307 BTC [+] {5}

19:08:45 mircea_popescu: most good ideas are half a century old or mopre.

19:11:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196545 << butt did he open source it!

19:11:00 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 09:17:30; punkman: well if amir is backing it...

19:12:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196594 << multiple times over the past ~6 months. behaviour was not reproducible.

19:12:52 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 14:42:41; asciilifeform: has anyone recently probed for the continued existence of the ddos bot ?

19:12:59 mircea_popescu: as best anyone knows, kid moved on.

19:14:12 shinohai: is it the same guy that is is in dogecoin

19:14:20 mircea_popescu: no idea

19:14:31 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196600 << omg stop improving it.

19:14:31 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 14:46:24; asciilifeform: what do we need the idling remoras for ?

19:15:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196602 << everyone gets to have their basic skills tested. if old hand can't breathe, old hand dies. i'll be the first to regret it with you, and the last to change the requirement for continued breathing because old man mcschmuck can do it no longer.

19:15:18 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 14:47:44; asciilifeform: what openness, when tomorrow, e.g., taleb, logs in, and gets ddosed off by a tard

19:15:33 mircea_popescu: it's a pity ulcer got naggum. it is out of the question we change how ulcer works to get people.

19:15:37 ascii_field: shovel derp != breathe

19:15:42 mircea_popescu: so you think.

19:15:46 mircea_popescu: ask the afids on your eyelids.

19:18:21 ascii_field: i mean, mircea_popescu does have a point

19:18:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196623 << just like there exists a class of innocent nazi ministers, and nice soviet officials, and respectable usg civil servants and so on. THEORETICALLY. in practice, no.

19:18:39 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 14:53:07; decimation: but there exists a class of non-irc-savvy people who are actual people

19:18:44 ascii_field: but put yourself in the place of herr schwartz. you get invited, and then some rotter throws shit in your face

19:18:54 mircea_popescu: i know i know.

19:19:04 mircea_popescu: it is unfortunate at best.

19:19:12 mircea_popescu: but the obvious solution happens to be wrong is all.

19:19:26 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I didn't know about #eurola, I'll join

19:19:42 mircea_popescu: incidentally, clinton had the same problem. "gee, mr yeltsin, i wish i could say the same"

19:20:12 williamdunne: Ehhh I appear to me on my own in #eurola

19:20:23 mircea_popescu: also try dylsexia.

19:23:37 mircea_popescu: in other news, facebook clone passes one trillion users! ---> http://vk.com/id74024866

19:23:38 assbot: Dfgf Vby ... ( http://bit.ly/1HqMS9x )

19:23:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66300 @ 0.00049572 = 32.8662 BTC [-] {2}

19:24:20 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: why would a fella who owns 'rpg7' need inflatable gurl ?

19:24:37 mircea_popescu: you mean the dildo in the pic ?

19:24:41 ascii_field: aha

19:24:44 ascii_field: both of'em

19:25:14 mircea_popescu: with great dongs comes great need for inflatable support ?

19:26:03 *: mircea_popescu kinda likes the fake look, ftr. if nothing else, it shows the girl is trying, and willing to go to extreme inconvenience for an idea. and it's the right sort of idea, too : pleasing others.

19:26:14 mircea_popescu: much better than the alternative "career woman" from a purely moral standpoint.

19:27:10 mircea_popescu: the latter may be right, but in principle she'll be right some of the time and it's necessarily hard to separate them. the latter's gonna be nice, also some of the time, but much easier to separate.

19:27:26 mircea_popescu: as it mostly scales with age.

19:27:55 shinohai: ! s pr0n mpex

19:28:44 trinque: hm, time to work on some hunchentootage

19:28:47 *: trinque pushes one button

19:28:58 ascii_field: trinque: it's pretty spiffy

19:29:13 Adlai: more than just an opera!

19:29:48 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196645 << heh.

19:29:48 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 15:15:51; Naphex: don't tell me what to do ;]

19:29:49 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'fake look' to me suggests that there's 'nobody home', rather than organism 'trying' anything

19:30:00 mircea_popescu: and why is this, ascii_field ?

19:30:19 ascii_field: solely from personal experience with creatures having this appearance

19:30:37 ascii_field: where i live - they're monosyllabic. mental age permanently 12 or so

19:31:04 ascii_field: on mircea_popescu's planet - different ?

19:31:15 mircea_popescu: do you prefer a 12 yo with fake tits or an obnoxious 12yo ?

19:31:22 mircea_popescu: becauyse guess what ? the 12yo mental age IS A GIVEN

19:31:31 ascii_field: why?!

19:31:34 ascii_field: why a given

19:31:49 mircea_popescu: because there's not enough brains to feed seven billion heads.

19:32:15 ascii_field: and not enough room in block for phree tx for 7 trillion redditors, aha

19:32:24 ascii_field: and not enough rubidium lamps for every pc

19:32:27 ascii_field: etc

19:32:32 mircea_popescu: that's the point. once you know she's gonna be 12 for the rest of your life - would you rather have the sort that goes under the knife for approval or the sort that smashes scales ?

19:32:52 mthreat: hola todos

19:32:58 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: to borrow from herr churchill, 'if she were my wife, i'd drink it'

19:32:59 mircea_popescu: seems to me the former's by far the morally apt posture.

19:33:01 shinohai: hola pues

19:33:04 mircea_popescu: hola mthreat. how goes ?

19:33:16 shinohai: que hay de bueno

19:33:20 mthreat: not bad... just got the itch to poke my head in here

19:33:32 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i still have no idea why anyone'd get married, but then again i'm weird like that.

19:33:46 mircea_popescu: mthreat hey, you gonna try eulora ? :D

19:33:55 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: all i can say is that here in mordor, they do it because health 'insurance'

19:34:02 mthreat: mircea_popescu: some financial reasons - inheritence, taxes, citizenship, etc

19:34:02 ascii_field: and sometimes for passport

19:34:02 shinohai: make eulora a MUD xD

19:34:07 mircea_popescu: ascii_field aka "their mental age is 15" ?

19:34:52 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aka no signature - no doctor

19:34:53 mthreat: oh also, to avoid being forced to testify

19:35:03 trinque: ^ that one's not bad

19:35:04 mircea_popescu: lol that's a good one.

19:35:35 mthreat: although these days they just throw both the man and woman in jail to make that hard

19:35:53 mircea_popescu: in any case, disparaging the owner of a technologically improved sexual body while at the same time holding notionm like, "marry - to satisfy social expectations, be they in the form of taxation or citizenship or anythin else" seems confused.

19:36:22 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ftr i don't give a flying fuck how much of the gurl is made of what polymer

19:36:25 ascii_field: just that 'nobody's home'

19:36:39 mircea_popescu: note that i'm not for a moment proposing a course of action. nevertheless, holding the owner of 50k in silicone dispersed through her fat tissue in less regard than the mean seems nonsensical.

19:36:42 ascii_field: entirely separate concerns

19:36:56 ascii_field: (not that my opinion is relevant to any of the folks involved. they and i live on separate planets)

19:36:57 mircea_popescu: i can see that. but then again, how're you to know from a pic.

19:37:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 154700 @ 0.0004944 = 76.4837 BTC [-] {5}

19:37:44 ascii_field: 'different strokez for different folks', i don't give a damn if she bought 50k of plastic tit or of 'cessna'

19:37:48 mircea_popescu: and especially nonsensical given that there's an exactly just as silly, but opposite direction social convention : people going around with a prosthetic leg are apparently GREAT!11

19:37:54 mircea_popescu: seems just more puritan nonsense at wurk.

19:38:05 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

19:38:42 ascii_field: prosthetic leg - only great if comes with good war story. (or pirate!)

19:38:52 ascii_field: and only for 5min or so.

19:38:56 trinque: prosthetic pussy is its own war story

19:39:03 mircea_popescu: you know... retrospecitvely i agree ? i think we found the common ground!

19:39:15 mircea_popescu: for to my eyes too, "Fake tits only great if come with great whoredom story"

19:39:16 ascii_field: trinque: see opera 'hedwig and the angry inch'

19:39:25 trinque: ascii_field: I have a cat named hedwig!

19:39:26 trinque: male

19:39:28 trinque: or was!

19:39:33 ascii_field: l0l

19:39:35 mircea_popescu: does he have a helmet ?

19:40:02 trinque: heh he does not

19:40:12 trinque: thought he was female, then the day of spaying his balls dropped

19:40:18 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196659 << assbot does the bitly for this reason - use it

19:40:18 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 16:53:43; Adlai: which is tbh more consistent with what happened a few weeks ago

19:40:20 ascii_field: !s a pig like that

19:40:21 assbot: 3 results for 'a pig like that' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a+pig+like+that

19:41:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196677 << some of the relevant folk are so far behind what passes for banal standard here, takes them a week of meditation to get to a place where it can be arranged into a semblance of sense.

19:41:58 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 17:07:16; ascii_field: my current hypothesis is that all the relevant folks are waiting for 'gossipd' and don't give much of a fuck

19:42:00 mircea_popescu: ask around.

19:42:54 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i meant - the lot of us. nobody wants to really break a sweat for channel housekeeping because gossipd is 'the right thing'

19:44:17 ascii_field: but i suspect that the puzzle of how to get 'talebs' in here without the doorway being permanently plugged with reddit turds will remain

19:44:23 *: shinohai will work here

19:47:40 mircea_popescu: no, i happen to think your housekeeping ideas are a short path to hell.

19:47:47 ascii_field: probably

19:48:25 ascii_field: kakobrekla did point out (later in thread) that none of it would make a whit of difference

19:49:27 mircea_popescu: to make things too pointed for life : tyhis place doesn't need X, for any given x. it can use x, but it has alternatives. X however, ~does not~ have alternatives. he pretends like he does and perceives that he does. he does not. the reason this is the case is specifically for particularities of this place that should never be fixed.

19:49:47 mircea_popescu: for should they ever be fixed, yes, it'd perhaps be "easier" for x to get involved. nevertheless, it'll also be pointless for anyone to get involved.

19:51:06 ascii_field: this is a good summary of why, e.g., voice model and gpg mechanizm

19:51:28 mircea_popescu: exaclty.

19:51:34 ascii_field: but the n00bs-get-ddosed turd still stinks. no matter how dresses as sausage

19:51:46 mircea_popescu: obviously invite-only would solve all the same conundrums we currently solve in this particularly circumlocutionary manner

19:52:04 mircea_popescu: this isn't because we're circumlocutory idiots. it's because it's actually necessary, for very good reasons.

19:52:09 mircea_popescu: and yes shit will still stink.

19:52:15 mircea_popescu: !up Gabriel-work

19:52:26 Gabriel-work: thank you

19:52:28 mircea_popescu: np

19:52:29 Gabriel-work: IMHO

19:52:35 Gabriel-work: there are only three or four "talebs"

19:52:46 mircea_popescu: you're only counting the old ones.

19:52:47 Gabriel-work: in the invite, let them know about the DDOS bot

19:52:51 mircea_popescu: this is worse than useless.

19:52:54 Gabriel-work: ?

19:52:55 Gabriel-work: how so?

19:52:59 mircea_popescu: "oh there's only three or four spent cartridges on the floor"

19:53:08 mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares. i want the taleb in his 20s not the taleb in his 70s.

19:53:16 mircea_popescu: not that i MIND the later. but neither to i drastically care.

19:53:26 Gabriel-work: Ahhh

19:53:26 *: ascii_field was a sort of borderline case when invited to bitcoin-assets by hanbot

19:54:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, all this too pointed for life discussion. i tire of it.

19:54:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109007 @ 0.00052684 = 57.4292 BTC [+] {2}

19:54:18 Gabriel-work: taleb in his 20s will find his way here

19:54:23 mircea_popescu: fact remains, there's going to be some inconvenience.

19:54:26 Gabriel-work: taleb in his 70s needs to be invited

19:54:27 mircea_popescu: sorry about that.

19:55:57 ascii_field: i suspect that '20-y.o. taleb' may be a contradiction in terms

19:56:01 ascii_field: like 20.y.o. socrates

19:56:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196739 << don't knock it, it's how women survived for millenia before there were fake knockers.

19:56:06 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 17:55:51; trinque: whatever's left of them can keep an oral tradition

19:56:09 ascii_field: man life cycle doesn't quite work that way

19:56:16 mircea_popescu: ascii_field but socrates was factually 20.

19:56:23 ascii_field: aha

19:56:27 ascii_field: was 2, too

19:56:30 mircea_popescu: right.,

19:56:38 ascii_field: but 'not socrates yet'

19:56:42 mircea_popescu: i always thought that's the king of pedos : the guy that fucks future stars only

19:56:44 mircea_popescu: when they're 5.

19:56:58 mircea_popescu: then buys their records, 15 years later.

19:59:04 Adlai: and forever regrets, "if only i'd bought her that lollipop"

19:59:39 mircea_popescu: lol nah, this'd be a more frank-the-ditch-esque personality.

19:59:49 mircea_popescu: dumps them when they're 7, too old now, going to school.

20:00:03 Adlai: which ditch is called frank?

20:00:10 mircea_popescu: ;;google frank the ditch

20:00:11 gribble: Doing 'The Ditch' Capt. Frank's Way - Inside Practical Sailor Blog ...: http://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/ICW-cruising-tips-11383-1.html; SOLUTION: Dave can dig a ditch in 6 hours, and Sam can ... - Algebra: http://www.algebra.com/algebra/homework/Rational-functions/Rational-functions.faq.question.308994.html; Arizona: Water It Makes a Village | The Nature Conservancy: (1 more message)

20:00:16 mircea_popescu: pff google!

20:00:27 *: Adlai has not the ability to load google from this client

20:00:34 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/frank-the-ditch/

20:00:35 assbot: Frank the Ditch on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUBR59 )

20:00:37 Adlai: google is too much cruft

20:00:43 mircea_popescu: still gives hanbot nightmares.

20:01:27 mircea_popescu: and with that... of to craft!

20:01:55 *: Adlai stops reading after the first sentence of every paragraph!

20:02:06 Adlai: again and again. fancy that.

20:02:12 punkman: I'd setup a gigablast instance fed by log links

20:02:12 *: Adlai goes back to work

20:02:51 punkman: that fortress of code looks impenetrable on one hand, seems to work out the box on the other

20:04:16 *: trinque thinks mircea_popescu would write good metal lyrics

20:05:57 ascii_field: http://labs.bromium.com/2015/07/10/government-grade-malware-a-look-at-hackingteams-rat << analysis of some of the ht turdwarez

20:05:58 assbot: Government Grade Malware: a Look at HackingTeam’s RAT | Bromium Labs ... ( http://bit.ly/1NUDjUY )

20:08:12 trinque: ascii_field: heh some of this we did at a previous job as "parental controls" software

20:08:24 trinque: the IM interception and social website session hijacking

20:08:28 trinque: was a lot of fun actually

20:08:36 trinque: !up ascii_field

20:08:40 ascii_field: trinque: aha, sop

20:09:00 ascii_field: nothing really remarkable in the turd, just a 'complete set'

20:09:36 trinque: yeah, looks like the list of features on sub7 or back orifice

20:09:57 BingoBoingo: I'll be back in a few

20:10:30 trinque: my god they have antivirus detection functions!

20:10:36 trinque: twenty-six of them!

20:11:04 trinque: hopefully this means the government will spend more of my future on cybersecurity

20:11:32 mircea_popescu: http://minigame.bz/jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked%20Team/ << if anyone cares.

20:11:48 assbot: Index of /jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked Team

20:13:35 ascii_field: ^ neat!

20:13:59 mircea_popescu: there is no guarantee that it will stay up forever.

20:14:21 ascii_field: not a bad test of 'bulletproof' host

20:14:31 ascii_field: the bullets - will fly

20:14:42 mircea_popescu: dobut they will and this isn't even bulletproof.

20:16:16 ascii_field: this might be the first lulzleak where i think it is interesting and mircea_popescu proclaims snorefest

20:17:28 mats: it's interesting because the capability is wide

20:17:45 mats: and snorefest because it's relatively easy

20:17:58 ascii_field: mats: the code is by far the most boring part

20:18:19 ascii_field: the interesting part is that these folks were in the buttbuddy s333k000r1ty wot

20:18:28 ascii_field: and handsomely paid to do trivial shit

20:19:15 mats: but if you're a nation-state without access to the wot or a skilled pool of devs

20:19:20 ascii_field: (iirc mircea_popescu had some unnamed intelligence that the 'handsomely paid' part didn't happen...?)

20:19:42 mats: and you've got an op you need talent for, folks like HT to aid you

20:19:54 ascii_field: that wasn't the unknown in the equation

20:20:01 ascii_field: but rather 'why does ht get to do this'

20:20:12 mats: rather than force you to forego the opportunity the op presents, or spend six months to a year spinning up

20:20:44 mats: er, folks like HT exist to aid you

20:21:42 ascii_field: my point is that if i, or mats, write to, e.g., saudi, offering ht work, will be laughed out of the room; and, since these twits don't believe in pgp, we'd get a visit from gasenwagen the next day

20:22:13 ascii_field: ergo, ht et al carry out their trade under crown concession.

20:23:03 mats: sure

20:23:05 ascii_field: on one side of the coin - someone to vouch for them, prevent laugh-out-of-the-room; on other - to avoid 'having problems', wash the money, handle employees who might like to go free-agent

20:23:05 trinque: maybe one of them got arrested back in the day

20:23:45 mats: and one day we may have the same fellas at the fringes of our wot, tryna get in

20:25:05 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-02-2015#1023860 << see also

20:25:05 assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"

20:25:43 ascii_field: ^ namely, the fact that we even think about 'moles' is indicative of how low the entire computing thing has fallen

20:31:45 *: trinque thumps emacs on the side of the head

20:31:52 trinque: it's off dreaming of electric sheep again

20:33:13 ascii_field: http://minigame.bz/jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked%20Team/m.romeo/screenshots/HsCzCKRf.jpeg

20:33:15 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPNOJU )

20:33:15 ascii_field: ^ l0l

20:36:24 ascii_field: ^ Run Moar Winblowz

20:37:06 shinohai: is webchat obsolete?

20:37:13 ascii_field: i'm still floored by all the drooling morons who think that you need to build code under microshit's compiler, when writing turdware

20:37:59 trinque: impostors posing as human beings everywhere

20:38:09 shinohai: if everyone voiced here was in my irc then i could sync node

20:38:27 ascii_field: shinohai: wai wat

20:38:29 trinque: they saw other Very Serious People using windoze, and so that's what they do

20:38:58 ascii_field: trinque: even the 'project olympic games' team at nsa seems to use 100% vs

20:39:05 ascii_field: what a sad joke

20:39:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46150 @ 0.000524 = 24.1826 BTC [-]

20:39:51 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:40:17 ascii_field: i'm not sure how a compiler which produces a 300KB 'hello world' and 800KB 'virus' could evoke anything but derisive laughter

20:41:09 trinque: ascii_field: I saw a picture somewhere that drove it home

20:41:19 trinque: super serious NSA guy at some congressional hearing

20:41:34 trinque: on his windows laptop, some daytime television FireEye screen

20:41:51 trinque: they're all morons acting out a terrible show

20:42:19 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756107 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2014#756108

20:42:19 assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:27; asciilifeform: one of my first job interviews out of uni. telephone. a fellow from one of the giant gov. contractors was really intrigued that i know x86 asm., have reversed crud for money. i ask him 'what's the job'. he: automated reversing. me: of what. he: ever hear of karatsuba's algo? me: sure. bignum mult. him: well, we wanna find encryption softs on terrorist drives!

20:42:19 assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me.

20:42:23 jurov: http://minigame.bz/jurov/HackedTeam/Hacked%20Team/c.pozzi/screenshots/eflMbLTM.jpeg obligatory solitaire

20:42:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hr77Ut )

20:43:03 jurov: why such hate? it pays the bills

20:43:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52600 @ 0.00052587 = 27.6608 BTC [+] {2}

20:43:27 trinque: jokes on us, libjpeg is pwn3d, and we all just got rooted

20:43:33 trinque: gg haxor team

20:44:28 trinque: !up gabriel_laddel

20:45:00 gabriel_laddel: ty

20:45:03 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197128 << because why should it pay ~their~ billz

20:45:03 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 20:43:03; jurov: why such hate? it pays the bills

20:45:05 gabriel_laddel: trinque: how goes

20:46:57 trinque: not bad, hunchentootin' today

20:46:59 trinque: and you?

20:50:00 ascii_field: trinque: perhaps meta-nsa doesn't need the libjpeg 0day, given as we'll confess in the coke machine anyway

20:50:21 trinque: heh

21:01:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106350 @ 0.00052862 = 56.2187 BTC [+] {2}

21:03:01 williamdunne: lol

21:03:02 williamdunne: https://twitter.com/pierre_rochard/status/619610930335191040

21:05:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00052058 = 10.9322 BTC [-]

21:06:09 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: good afternoon

21:07:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7662 @ 0.00052058 = 3.9887 BTC [-]

21:11:05 shinohai: O.o hay +O

21:12:47 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: hey what's happenin

21:20:02 trinque: ag3nt_zer0: hacking the day away, yourself?

21:32:33 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

21:32:43 ascii_field: https://blockchain.info/ip-address/ << l0l, didn't know this pheature existed

21:32:44 assbot: Transactions Relayed By - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkVpOb )

21:37:37 ascii_field: https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-chains-longer-than-10 << l33t sp4mz0rz

21:37:38 assbot: Bitcoin Number of Transactions Excluding Chains Longer Than 10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkW1DF )

21:39:53 trinque: https://blockchain.info/charts/transaction-fees << and a little bump here too

21:39:54 assbot: Bitcoin Total Transaction Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkWh5p )

21:39:57 decimation: 'chains longer than 10' does that mean that there are 10 transactions that end up consolidating into one account?

21:41:20 decimation: at any rate it is clear someone revved up spam machine

21:41:57 decimation: ascii_field: http://rusty.ozlabs.org/?p=522

21:41:59 assbot: The Megatransaction: Why Does It Take 25 Seconds? - Rusty Russell's Coding Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkWAx0 )

21:42:12 decimation: https://blockchain.info/tx/bb41a757f405890fb0f5856228e23b715702d714d59bf2b1feb70d8b2b4e3e08

21:42:43 decimation: someone laid a mega-fecolith into the blockchain

21:43:03 ascii_field: 0 fee, aha

21:43:46 jurov: "Chains Longer Than 10" imo chains of unconfirmed txs

21:44:00 ascii_field: decimation: parallelizing the sig verify thing would be pretty simple

21:44:10 decimation: aye

21:45:27 decimation: jurov: ah that kinda makes sense. would be useful if they had docs

21:48:17 jurov: what dox? nice pix that pay their bills suffice.

21:56:02 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/10/us-usa-reddit-resignation-idUSKCN0PK2HZ20150710 << lol!

21:56:03 assbot: Ellen Pao resigning as CEO of Reddit: source | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkYfD0 )

21:56:06 mircea_popescu: "It was widely reported to take about 25 seconds for bitcoin core to process this block: this is far worse than my ?2 seconds per MB? result in my last post, which was considered a pretty bad case. Let?s look at why."

21:56:18 mircea_popescu: clearly, 20 mb blocks HAVE CONSENSUS BEHIND THEM

21:56:21 mircea_popescu: the consensus of bleating idiots

21:56:32 trinque: and they are losing their glorious leader, it seems

21:56:47 mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that gavin idiot now ? where are all the twerps that were going on about how my article describing him in terms of mental retardation was, to any degree, off mark ?

21:56:55 ascii_field: we know where

21:57:00 ascii_field: at noblis et al, spamming tx

21:57:01 mircea_popescu: the man belongs in an institution for the developmentally delayed.

21:58:12 mircea_popescu: Short Term Steps Use the Intel and ARM optimized SHA256 routines, which increase SHA256 speed by about 80%. << NO.

21:58:14 mircea_popescu: not now, not EVER.

21:58:34 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: pretty transparent that the derps ~want~ to tempt the easily tempted

21:58:41 ascii_field: with 'magic accelerator'

21:58:46 mircea_popescu: sure. nevertheless...

21:59:11 mircea_popescu: fucking hell, having usg-ssh imported into bitcoin wasn't bad enough

21:59:15 mircea_popescu: let's also import "intel".

21:59:27 mircea_popescu: five billion lines of proprietary code in an unknown language that nobody has ever seen.

21:59:42 ascii_field: decimation et al: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/fud-halt-all-trading-very-important-info-inside-42.246888 << one of the few search hits for that 19VAb9zAhpWLaWfEuqw9HXup2zaNoNPPyE

22:00:08 mircea_popescu: is this going to be another scammer doing the goat routine ?

22:00:20 ascii_field: who or wat it was, i do not know

22:00:31 ascii_field: but that's the source of the 1mb monolithic tx turd from earlier

22:01:05 ascii_field: (or rather, ~a~ source)

22:01:08 mircea_popescu: ah that

22:01:11 mircea_popescu: it's meaningless really.

22:01:57 jurov: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-military-tested-bacterial-weapons-in-san-francisco-2015-7

22:01:58 assbot: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1HkYSMI )

22:02:01 mircea_popescu: !s a-ads

22:02:02 assbot: 7 results for 'a-ads' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=a-ads

22:02:11 ascii_field: not entirely. these, after all, aren't raindrops, they have arms and legs growing out of them somewhere.

22:02:19 ascii_field: jurov: i thought this was well-known for decades?

22:02:34 jurov: not by me

22:03:19 trinque: jurov: "This is a crazy story; one that seems like it must be a conspiracy theory." << beatings for people who do this

22:04:04 trinque: it's fucking 2015

22:04:15 trinque: the govt testing bioweapons on the population is not weird or fringe

22:04:33 trinque: people are just cowards and must remind themselves that "they wouldn't dare!" like an autistic tic

22:04:45 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski "I?m not sure how this level of thrills compares with, say, Eulora" << disfavourably. 50% returns not that uncommon, but i just brought home 4200 grass on a 2 axes + 400 threads run (like 220%).

22:04:45 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:05:42 jurov: oh yes. and then it lands on my fucking body and needs several tests and cultivations to ascertain what it is and how to cure it

22:05:52 jurov: presently, in my left ear

22:06:29 mircea_popescu: an actual bacteria ?!

22:06:47 jurov: that was the first hypothesis

22:07:36 jurov: now the doc was like "hm, something still there, looks like fungi or yeast

22:07:48 mircea_popescu: did you get the streptomycin/cephalosporin/etc barage ?

22:07:57 mircea_popescu: oh. see, that's a different story.

22:08:28 mircea_popescu: it is rare to see bacteria giving trouble to imuno-indemn individuals. yeasts on the other hand... ask an adult woman.

22:08:29 jurov: no bacteria was cultivated, and i avoid atb until strictly necessary

22:09:09 jurov: as our whole family is half deaf thanks to them

22:09:51 mircea_popescu: hm

22:09:57 mircea_popescu: how's that work ?

22:09:57 jurov: specifically, streptomycin, erythromycin and one more i forgot

22:10:10 jurov: it just kills ear nerve endings

22:10:18 mircea_popescu: yeah. it's a bitch - best way to handle staph aureus (guy on skin), but ototoxic

22:11:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197080 << so we complement each other.

22:11:44 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 20:16:16; ascii_field: this might be the first lulzleak where i think it is interesting and mircea_popescu proclaims snorefest

22:12:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197087 << it's really one step up from getafreelancer, that stuff. which is why not terribru interesting to me.

22:12:42 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 20:19:20; ascii_field: (iirc mircea_popescu had some unnamed intelligence that the 'handsomely paid' part didn't happen...?)

22:12:55 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:13:02 ascii_field: notice, sometimes i have to try run a mircea_popescu under emulation, when the real one is asleep

22:13:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197093 << "go talk to her then" "i'd be laugh out of the room" "yes, now you will be."

22:13:20 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 20:21:42; ascii_field: my point is that if i, or mats, write to, e.g., saudi, offering ht work, will be laughed out of the room; and, since these twits don't believe in pgp, we'd get a visit from gasenwagen the next day

22:13:47 mircea_popescu: lol emulated mp

22:14:14 jurov: mircea_popescu has forked as eulora owner/player, maybe he can do again for you

22:14:30 ascii_field: incidentally, if we ever abandon this place for gossipd etc. someone oughta leave shannonized (from logs) versions of us

22:14:35 ascii_field: let'em converse.

22:14:46 trinque: hahaha

22:14:52 trinque: the first test is whether you notice

22:15:11 mircea_popescu: im sure this is happening as we speak.

22:15:17 mircea_popescu: some kids in a private chan somewhere.

22:15:17 ascii_field: betcha it'd still make for better reading (or fuck, even conversation) than 'reddit' et al

22:15:57 mircea_popescu: www.metacafe.com/.../a_bronx_tale_1993_imitating_sonny_and_his_crew/‎ <<

22:16:39 jurov: http://imgur.com/Ydmf7Xl << mircea_popescu is step ahead as always

22:16:40 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl0eHj )

22:17:07 ascii_field: l0l!

22:17:12 ascii_field: was that nubbins`'s work ?

22:17:14 mircea_popescu: ahaha that was nubbins` ?

22:17:18 mircea_popescu: ye

22:17:21 jurov: y

22:17:25 mircea_popescu: i particularly like the tuft

22:17:46 *: ascii_field wonders what his buttons would be

22:18:04 mircea_popescu: gotta be lizard hitler in there.

22:18:10 trinque: "mega-l0l"

22:18:18 ascii_field: nah those are separate keys

22:18:21 jurov: "tron" compose key

22:18:25 trinque: hehe

22:18:28 mircea_popescu: i never saw anything but mega-lol.

22:18:48 ascii_field: eh, plenty

22:18:54 mircea_popescu: !s plenty-lol

22:18:55 assbot: 1 results for 'plenty-lol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=plenty-lol

22:18:55 ascii_field: mega-b00kz

22:19:01 trinque: !s mega-snore

22:19:02 assbot: 8 results for 'mega-snore' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mega-snore

22:19:04 trinque: ^

22:19:08 mircea_popescu: other than mega not other than lol!

22:19:35 ascii_field: we live in intense time. not many centi-, kilo-, snores

22:19:46 mircea_popescu: centisnore!

22:19:57 jurov: nanosnore :D

22:20:33 ascii_field: ^ one 10**9th of the boredom required to actually fall asleep ?

22:20:50 mircea_popescu: you know if you snore when you sleep it's apnea

22:21:10 *: ascii_field apparently doesn't

22:21:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80140 @ 0.00051988 = 41.6632 BTC [-] {2}

22:22:06 mircea_popescu: btw, anyone wanna make an emacs eulora client ?

22:26:03 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1197125 << in translation, "we prefer to hope they will than consider the matter. because if we considered the matter, i'd have to find a diff job, and so would my boss."

22:26:03 assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 20:42:19; assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me.

22:30:33 mircea_popescu: in related news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/97293b64e3203aa8ea15eaba7f01905e/tumblr_n00c2qbmB51r5dekpo1_1280.jpg

22:30:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTzmQc )

22:34:49 mthreat: !s "in other news" from:mircea

22:34:50 assbot: 279 results for '"in other news" from:mircea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22in+other+news%22+from%3Amircea

22:42:09 williamdunne: You can do !s http:// from:mircea_popescu and get vast quantities of porn

22:42:15 williamdunne: !s http:// from:mircea_popescu

22:42:17 assbot: 9006 results for 'http:// from:mircea_popescu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2F+from%3Amircea_popescu

22:45:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111055 @ 0.00052703 = 58.5293 BTC [+] {2}

22:46:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3495 @ 0.00052894 = 1.8486 BTC [+]

23:34:04 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

23:34:13 ascii_field: achtung, panzerz!

23:34:21 ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:

23:34:28 ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000119.html

23:34:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcYRGL )

23:34:35 ascii_field: (EXPERIMENTAL) A farewell to 'testnet.'

23:34:37 ascii_field: and

23:34:45 ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000120.html

23:34:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcYUCu )

23:34:54 ascii_field: (EXPERIMENTAL) Add '-verifyall' option.

23:35:59 ag3nt_zer0: trinque: same here little of this and little of that

23:36:39 ascii_field: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: so far, no one has signed any of my patches... am i to conclude that nobody reads these things?

23:36:55 ascii_field: or that nobody understands what is inside?

23:37:00 ascii_field: because if so, i can try to help...

23:37:23 ascii_field: or is it that jurov doesn't have a handy mechanical way to group these sigs together yet ?