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00:00:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hypnosis ?

00:00:09 mircea_popescu: nlp.

00:06:06 BingoBoingo: Apple naming is retarding, what the fuck is up with a watch, watch edition

00:10:29 devthedev: Who knows? The device seems pretty feature rich though.

00:11:16 mircea_popescu: o, they launched a new isomething ?

00:12:15 BingoBoingo: Yeah, some sort of wrist screen. Three version. watch, watch sport edition, and watch watch edition

00:12:49 mircea_popescu: i think it's a star trek trope this, the magic watch

00:12:52 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looks quite like their smallest 'ipod' product, but with straps on.

00:12:53 mircea_popescu: no wait. bond, was it ?

00:13:09 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It really does.

00:13:13 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/927a6345b6090367454dd78b57cbd037/tumblr_n1dw775zW31rmrwgqo1_1280.jpg << somewhat related.

00:13:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what waveform did you use ?

00:14:09 mircea_popescu: lol not my pic, and it looks like dc.

00:14:24 asciilifeform: banana jack colours can deceive.

00:14:40 mircea_popescu: true this.

00:15:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 1000 @ 0.0015 = 1.5 BTC [+] {5}

00:15:38 mircea_popescu: o btw, did i ever tell you how i illustrated the concept of current as a thing to bright young minds ?

00:16:07 asciilifeform: use square wave with no dc offset (or your partner will grumble, chemical burns from hcl)

00:17:02 asciilifeform: salt water is great for electric chair, where the action is over in minutes, but useless here. use the green gel that is sold for eeg machines.

00:17:25 asciilifeform: concept of current ?

00:17:41 mircea_popescu: myeah.

00:17:56 asciilifeform: let's guess - explained via demonstration.

00:18:03 mircea_popescu: get a steppable transformer. wrap packing tin foil around dildo, insert. set transformer to low voltage, short over dildo-clit.

00:18:09 mircea_popescu: set transformer on high voltage, short idem.

00:18:28 mircea_popescu: the burn being the same in both cases, shows that current is current.

00:18:41 mircea_popescu: proceed to explain wattage, voltage, amperage.

00:20:33 asciilifeform: bad demo. meat is not an ideal resistive load.

00:21:08 mircea_popescu: so you only use it on feminist chicklets that think the cunt is an ideal material.

00:21:21 asciilifeform: http://soundlab.cs.princeton.edu/learning/tutorials/sensors/img29.gif

00:21:22 asciilifeform: lol

00:21:54 mircea_popescu: anyway. experimentally it's pretty close, and when coupled with the subjectivistor inside the subject's skull it works fine.

00:22:37 mircea_popescu: (ie, i didn't measure the effects, i inquired as to the effects)

00:23:08 *: asciilifeform used a constant-current amplifier

00:23:36 asciilifeform: http://www.eecs.tufts.edu/~dsculley/tutorial/opamps/opAmpCurrentSource.JPG << like this.

00:23:46 mircea_popescu: was this as part of brain plasticity experiments ?

00:23:58 asciilifeform: byproduct of different experiment.

00:24:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487646

00:24:37 assbot: Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain.

00:24:39 asciilifeform: had apparatus left over.

00:24:51 mircea_popescu: lol

00:27:27 mircea_popescu: since we're doing scary biostuff, http://33.media.tumblr.com/f63c5beaf6f9a4f8a2a229ed2e96ed0d/tumblr_n5b4pxJTPB1r4lyg6o1_400.gif

00:27:55 kakobrekla: <assbot> Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain. < looks like it worked wonders

00:28:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's gotta be fake

00:28:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?

00:29:11 asciilifeform: what kind of meat propagates wave like solid block of sorbothane.

00:29:42 mircea_popescu: girlfat ?

00:30:40 mircea_popescu: isn't sorbothane based on studying female thighs anyway ?

00:30:49 *: asciilifeform showed to pet, who believes it's plausible

00:31:10 mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it's factual.

00:31:55 kakobrekla: asciilifeform any particular voltage / current one should aim for?

00:32:05 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: in which experiment.

00:32:09 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you're not seriously going to do this ?

00:32:26 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if mircea_popescu's - why ask me. ask your playmates.

00:32:28 mircea_popescu: now listen here kako. i can live with the cardano taking forever. but bitbet gotta stay online.

00:32:34 asciilifeform: lol

00:32:38 mircea_popescu: hehe

00:32:43 kakobrekla: lol

00:33:05 kakobrekla: well ok i wont do it now that you pointed that out

00:33:11 kakobrekla: still curious about the values, ascii?

00:33:46 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: again, values for which. girlfat, or for stage 4 sleep?

00:34:10 kakobrekla: ah sorry i thought that got cleared out. the current through brain.

00:34:44 mircea_popescu: lampelina run honey. i'll keep him busy.

00:34:53 kakobrekla: lol

00:35:14 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for the latter, i never found a satisfactory setting where i could pronounce the old papers - replicated. but the usual idea is to set 100-200 Hz, square wave (some insist sinusoid instead), constant current (not constant voltage) output, and ramp up from zero.

00:35:33 kakobrekla: logged

00:35:34 mircea_popescu: anyone here know norman spinrad ?

00:36:07 kakobrekla: perhaps we even discussed this in ro but i forgot

00:36:11 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: used own replica of old soviet mask, anode on eyelids, cathode on occiput

00:36:30 kakobrekla: fun

00:37:51 mircea_popescu: i'd have imagined it'd be temple to temple

00:38:26 asciilifeform: nope. afaik that never worked.

00:38:32 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Current through the temporal lobes alone likely has undesirable side effects

00:38:38 asciilifeform: americans, if i recall, tried ear-to-ear.

00:38:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo like ?

00:39:01 asciilifeform: (there's a commercial product in usa with earclips, forget which.)

00:39:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, temporal lobe is where most of the electical dysfunctions happen in most forms of epilepsy.

00:39:45 mircea_popescu: but you can't give yourself epilepsy

00:40:03 mircea_popescu: hm. i guess if you stress a weak system it may come huh.

00:40:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, there's a way.

00:40:13 BingoBoingo: Called kindling effect

00:40:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall an experiment from the '70s where everyone who was placed in apparatus had seizure. from ordinary flash lamp - but not at the familiar 20hz which sets off known sufferers

00:40:55 BingoBoingo: Accidently yourself enough seizures, they'll start coming on their own.

00:40:57 mircea_popescu: pity one can't resolve vitus' dance by just putting current through to reset things

00:40:58 asciilifeform: but tied to eeg peaks of victim.

00:41:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, that'd be much better interrogation technique.

00:41:38 *: asciilifeform read this many years ago, and wondered if anyone tried the obvious next step

00:41:57 asciilifeform: that is, record what pattern of flashes is necessary, for average victim, and play back

00:42:20 asciilifeform: Obligatory:

00:42:21 asciilifeform: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm

00:42:22 assbot: BLIT - a short story by David Langford

00:57:18 mircea_popescu: holy shit.

00:57:36 mircea_popescu: apparently there was a case of a symptomatic rabies patient that survived.

00:57:41 mircea_popescu: ;;google milwaukee protocol

00:57:42 gribble: Milwaukee protocol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_protocol; Failure of the Milwaukee Protocol in a Child With Rabies: http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/53/6/572.full; Rabies may not be the invincible killer we thought - health - 21 June ...: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20593-rabies-may-not-be-the-invincible-killer- (1 more message)

01:05:41 mircea_popescu: "This was their part of town; the women flocked there each morning, twittering in their saris like bright alien canaries."

01:05:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform twittering was a word ? who knew.

01:07:17 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> 10:1 this and 13:1 that ThickAsThieves ? srsly nao. // is that the 10000btcusd bet odds vs the 31b diff bet odds?

01:07:26 mircea_popescu: yep

01:07:44 ThickAsThieves: 10000btc seems much less likely imo

01:07:51 mircea_popescu: exactly.

01:08:13 mircea_popescu: and it's priced 10:1 which seems reasonable more or less.

01:08:48 ThickAsThieves: i bet Yes

01:09:20 ThickAsThieves: youre welcome whoever... maybe!

01:09:31 mircea_popescu: lol

01:10:41 ThickAsThieves: so i'm playing with this 1BRCXE challenge

01:10:53 ThickAsThieves: where the fuck does the order book come from?

01:11:02 ThickAsThieves: 1BTCXE*

01:11:20 ThickAsThieves: https://1btcxe.com/buy-sell.php

01:11:22 assbot: Login

01:11:51 ThickAsThieves: seems like it might just be a random market excercise and not tied to real market at all

01:12:40 ThickAsThieves: lol:

01:12:43 ThickAsThieves: We won't allow placing buy-limit orders at 20% or more below the market price.

01:12:43 ThickAsThieves: We won't allow placing buy-limit orders at a price below that of the user's sell-stop orders.

01:12:43 ThickAsThieves: We won't allow placing sell-stop orders at a price above that of the user's buy-limit orders.

01:12:47 asciilifeform: mega-lol >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfsWoNpHg2s << had no idea someone had an english translation of this.

01:12:47 assbot: The Volga Boatmen - sung by Paul Robeson - YouTube

01:13:11 ThickAsThieves: "circuit-breaker measures"

01:14:07 mircea_popescu: weirdo arbitrary nonsense.

01:14:10 mircea_popescu: anyway

01:21:37 thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe

01:21:37 assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00077114 BTC [-]

01:21:47 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

01:21:49 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 474.17, Best ask: 475.47, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 475.48, 24 hour volume: 9446.51164521, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 476.4, 24 hour vwap: 467.933946682

01:25:57 BingoBoingo: http://valleywag.gawker.com/clinkle-ceos-statement-on-apple-pay-reads-like-a-eulogy-1632726709/+gabriellebluestone

01:25:58 assbot: Clinkle CEO's Statement On Apple Pay Reads Like a Eulogy

01:35:11 *: asciilifeform never heard of a 'clinkle' before - and guesses that it might be a service which lets you nominate people for the clink.

01:35:47 BingoBoingo: It's payment fro smartphones, but by Sound!!!

01:35:54 asciilifeform: snore.

01:36:10 BingoBoingo: Exactly, but it raised 30 million dollars

01:36:44 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2014#814484

01:36:44 assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 04:46:41; asciilifeform: mike church was ripped a new arse here, but he had a good piece on how such 'laundries' work

01:37:59 BingoBoingo: Indeed

01:50:34 BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranial_electrotherapy_stimulation

01:50:35 assbot: Cranial electrotherapy stimulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

01:50:53 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: long ago.

01:51:15 BingoBoingo: Well, introduced into the US with approvals recently

02:13:25 kakobrekla: since we are still on a brain frying subject, is there any explanation to why 100-200hz is the shit

02:13:51 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: last i checked - none that had predictive power (i.e. worth bothering with.)

02:15:08 kakobrekla: mkay

02:15:43 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: latest fashion is magnetically-induced currents.

02:16:33 asciilifeform: for good overview, see wassermann, epstein & ziemann - 'oxford handbook of transcranial stimulation'

02:16:59 kakobrekla: sounds like a beach read

02:17:20 asciilifeform: at this point there's probably a 'for dummies'

02:17:33 kakobrekla: lol

02:17:40 asciilifeform: the machines are now ubiquitous

02:18:17 asciilifeform: (helmholtz coil with plumbing for water - must actively cool - and a power source similar to what one might find in a large stroboscope.)

02:18:49 asciilifeform: i once set about building this one too - but life got in the way.

02:19:02 asciilifeform: if you want one - 'ebay.'

02:20:15 asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time.

02:20:33 asciilifeform: but i was not able to replicate the famous result of going straight 'to the goods'

02:21:29 The20YearIRCloud: So shock therapy is old?

02:21:41 asciilifeform: 'shock therapy' is entirely different affair

02:21:45 asciilifeform: 10-100x the current.

02:21:51 asciilifeform: induced seizures.

02:22:06 asciilifeform: it, too, is still used. quite popular in usa, i'm told.

02:22:52 asciilifeform: now with anaesthetics, so no more picturesque screaming madman in straps

02:23:11 asciilifeform: just a fellow a few thousand $ poorer and with episodic memory loss.

02:29:39 TheNewDeal: ding ding ding

02:31:25 The20YearIRCloud: How is everyone?

02:49:03 TheNewDeal: grrrrrrrrreat

03:48:19 The20YearIRCloud: so how's the exchange doing?

04:49:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1100 @ 0.00063924 = 0.7032 BTC [+] {4}

05:01:33 asciilifeform: kakobrekla, BingoBoingo: i remembered the american firm that made electrocranial something-or-others - 'alpha-stim.' but i never tried or even saw their gadget - and, a bit dubious, smells a little of spam.

05:02:29 asciilifeform: but it does pop up once or twice in refereed journals, apparently.

05:03:48 *: asciilifeform has an entire book shelf of ancient crapolade re: electrocranial diddlage from 1940s up, in 4 languages. all decaying xerocopies. ought to scan in one day...

05:45:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5865 @ 0.00076844 = 4.5069 BTC [+]

06:24:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.010639 = 0.532 BTC [-]

06:57:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01063957 = 0.532 BTC [+] {4}

07:19:11 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/paypal-to-accept-payments-in-bitcoin-20140909-10emi7.html

07:25:03 cazalla: meh, smh is a rag

07:25:12 cazalla: "Bitcoin prices have swung between more than $US900 to as low as $US341 this year as enthusiasts try to address the digital currency's weaknesses, persuade consumers to embrace it and overcome governments' concerns that it could be misused by criminals. " ok lol

07:26:36 RagnarDanneskjol: its the first I'd heard anything definitive about bitcoin-paypal

07:26:44 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/banking/sbi-launches-multicurrency-international-card/article6390903.ece

07:26:45 assbot: SBI launches multi-currency international card | Business Line

08:15:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8923 @ 0.00076653 = 6.8397 BTC [-]

08:57:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1150 @ 0.00061435 = 0.7065 BTC [-] {2}

10:51:56 RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.valuewalk.com/2014/09/currency-risk-equity-exposure/

10:51:56 assbot: Don't Layer Currency Risk on Top of Equity Exposure

11:12:26 fluffypony: xmj: around?

11:12:51 xmj: fluffypony: si

11:13:03 xmj: fluffypony: How may I help you on this bright Wednesday ;)

11:13:55 fluffypony: xmj: so oaes_lib uses ftime() like a retard, and we don't have spare contributors to rewrite the two places its used to rather use gettimeofday - is there anything particularly wrong with using -lcompat for the moment till we can see to that?

11:14:17 xmj: that's c, or c++ ?

11:14:17 fluffypony: also the original oaes_lib author seems to eschew modernising it, so we may dump it completely at some stage rather than bother

11:14:24 fluffypony: C

11:14:31 xmj: hrm, i'm not a c dev

11:14:52 xmj: if you're interested in having that question answered from a BSD perspective, you could try #bsdports on efnet

11:14:58 fluffypony: kk

11:15:02 xmj: there's plenty of people who could answer it

11:15:31 xmj: what's oaeslib do?

11:15:49 fluffypony: open aes

11:16:13 fluffypony: code.google.com/p/openaes/

11:18:02 xmj: hum

11:18:10 xmj: that's not AES-Ni is it?

11:18:18 fluffypony: no

11:18:28 xmj: hang on..

11:47:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized << well of course, everything's being commercialised, from cow piss (redbull) to an app to prove you're rich. dun really much matter if it works, as long as someone somewhere thought of it, it's available to buy.

11:47:10 mircea_popescu: gotta keep teh economy out.

11:47:13 mircea_popescu: i mean up

11:47:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time. <<< why ?

11:48:21 xmj: BingoBoingo: brain electricity sleep stuff is prone to commercial failure, see Zeo.

11:48:25 mircea_popescu: to me all this "let's improve sleep" stuff reads a lot like "this cnc control code would be a lot better if we took out all sleep() references"

11:48:52 xmj: BingoBoingo: you can *technically* exist on 2h of pure REM sleep a day.

11:49:02 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: So shock therapy is old? << just about contemporaneous with electricity itself.

11:49:09 xmj: I know people who have done so for long(er) stretches of times

11:49:29 xmj: fluffypony: I got confused. aren't AES routines implemented by libcrypto?

11:50:45 fluffypony: xmj: afair this is used in the PoW, so it uses openaes for speed

11:51:40 xmj: PoW?

11:51:51 mircea_popescu: fluffypony afaik lcompat just does a gettimeofday clal anyway

11:51:56 mircea_popescu: xmj proof of work eh.

11:51:59 xmj: gotcha

11:52:01 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes exactly

11:52:07 fluffypony: lcompat seems to be working fine

11:52:21 xmj: fluffypony: thing being, iff it uses AES AND iff AES needs to be fast, you'll want to look into crypto(4) and aesni(4)

11:52:22 fluffypony: but going to actually rip this out and rewrite it to use gettimeofday on bsd

11:52:33 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't expect any problems. in fact it's probably better reviewed code than w/e it's been replaced with anyway.

11:52:57 *: xmj still waits for OpenSSL to be replaced with LibreSSL on FreeBSD

11:54:21 mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.

11:54:28 mircea_popescu: "how many times this was read. increment by hand"

11:54:56 mircea_popescu: as a v0.1. then for v0.2 of this, have an actual crypto signed procedure where everyone who reads a line of code signs and it's wot-abble this.

11:55:22 mircea_popescu: that's what github'd be doing, if it weren't wasting its time with imbecile females vying for attention the only way imbecile females know how.

11:57:11 mircea_popescu: anyone want to make a fork of git and implement all this ?

12:08:31 RagnarDanneskjol: yes

12:10:24 xmj: mircea_popescu: do feel free to put your money where your mouth is.

12:10:32 xmj: i'm sure you'll find lots of people who love paying for this

12:11:03 mircea_popescu: xmj what exactly makes you think my money isn't where my mouth is, nooblet ?

12:12:12 xmj: oh here we go again

12:12:18 xmj: /ignore -replies mircea_popescu

12:12:34 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol ima wait for delivery on that other thing first, and i have a queue there anyway.

12:12:43 xmj: better.

12:12:44 mircea_popescu: ie, i'll need another bot after that one

12:13:44 RagnarDanneskjol: He and Alz had a long convo about it a few hours ago.. also put him in touch with chetty - discussed gribble for eulora

12:14:01 mircea_popescu: gribble for eulora ? wut ?

12:14:05 RagnarDanneskjol: he is going to deliver way ahead of schedule I believe

12:14:53 chetty: mircea_popescu, said there should be a gribble npc ...

12:15:21 mircea_popescu: o, in the monthly report ?

12:15:41 mircea_popescu: i read "gribble for #eulora" for some reason.

12:16:03 RagnarDanneskjol: oh - that too

12:16:26 mircea_popescu: lol this guy. hey RagnarDanneskjol is there something you won't try to do ? :D

12:16:39 RagnarDanneskjol: no homo

12:16:57 mircea_popescu: you coming for the $conference incidentally ?

12:17:08 RagnarDanneskjol: which?

12:17:35 mircea_popescu: $conference

12:17:37 empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 7 months and 7 days. Estimated cost today: 2.76775979 BTC (Details: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )

12:19:02 RagnarDanneskjol: sure, sounds fun. I missed that

12:20:12 mircea_popescu: that's why that bot command is so handy. easy to miss things in the deluge.

12:20:25 mircea_popescu: i think fluffypony was going to charter a plane or i dun remember how that went.

12:21:01 RagnarDanneskjol: nice. so are you staying in BA for the forseeable future (not that its any my business)

12:21:03 fluffypony: we haven't really pursued that idea, the nice charters are very expensive per-person even if we fill the plane

12:21:55 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol yeah. fluffypony i imagined :p

12:27:31 mircea_popescu: o hey, there's something for xmj https://bitcointa.lk/threads/popescud-need-not-be-a-verb-nor-a-discussion-all-say-aye-say-aye-aye.286274/

12:27:31 assbot: Popescu'd need not be a verb nor a discussion. All say aye.., say AYE!, "AYE!" | Bitcointa.lk

12:44:30 mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/16f4a23c3513a7073668fff76fe5d882/tumblr_n5nl0rB2mf1sc74vfo1_500.jpg << talking about teh human condition...

13:16:25 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/OCvuUxX.gif

13:17:06 nubbins`: so i've got these two new roomies

13:17:28 nubbins`: one of 'em just got a job at canada's top restaurant, which is, conveniently, just a short tumble down the hill from here

13:17:47 nubbins`: current plan is to injure his legs and confine him to the kitchen here

13:18:13 xmj: solid plan

13:18:24 xmj: nubbins`: alternatively you could -ask- them

13:18:40 nubbins`: oh he's already said he's gonna recreate some menu items for us

13:18:44 nubbins`: i just want to seal the deal

13:18:47 nubbins`: related: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/food-trends/jeremy-charles-canadas-real-top-chef/article20495580/

13:18:47 assbot: Jeremy Charles: Canadas real top chef - The Globe and Mail

13:18:58 cazalla: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/509458562167226368 this cunt is coming to australia

13:18:59 assbot: My November speaking tour is coming together: LA, Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland, Queenstown

13:20:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "computer monitor of better than 600 x 300 pixels resolution." pandering to the new ega displays i see ? :D

13:20:18 nubbins`: ^ lel

13:20:36 mircea_popescu: you wanna seal the deal by breaking a guy's legs ?

13:20:41 mircea_popescu: jesus canucks are tought.

13:20:47 nubbins`: i'd like a gribble module that polls alf's output for interesting short stories

13:20:55 nubbins`: mircea_popescu the climate made us this way

13:21:12 mircea_popescu: no wonder all the eskimos are gone with only some scroungy inuit left

13:21:16 nubbins`: it's only with the advent of higher temperatures that we've mellowed. 10 years ago i woulda had the guy surgically attached to the kitchen counter

13:21:16 mircea_popescu: YOU FUCKEM ATE THEM DIDNT YOU

13:21:53 nubbins`: heh

13:22:07 mircea_popescu: cazalla lol speaking tours. this is roughly the equivalent of the plague, don't envy a man his misery.

13:22:21 nubbins`: besides, the aboriginal people in this province are generally innu; you'd have to go a lot farther for inuit

13:22:53 mircea_popescu: you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ?

13:23:42 nubbins`: in fact, both were bred from an animal called the St. John's Water Dog

13:24:06 nubbins`: itself, a mixture of portuguese, english, and irish working dogs

13:24:11 nubbins`: why in the fuck do i know all this?

13:24:22 mircea_popescu: because you're canadian, and that makes you weird ? :D

13:24:48 nubbins`: heh.

13:24:54 nubbins`: golden retrievers come from this same stock

13:25:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, one wonders what happens when a coupla gals working canada's best whorehouse move in with nubsy.

13:25:05 nubbins`: almost all modern retrievers, in fact

13:25:25 nubbins`: mp: "in fact, the clitoris is located above the vulva, not below"

13:25:31 mircea_popescu: surgically attached to toilet bowl, shower curtain or bedstand ?

13:25:52 nubbins`: toilet bowl, wtf?

13:25:56 nubbins`: "this one just shits"

13:26:09 mircea_popescu: "here i shit, here i piss, here i come"

13:29:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the fundamnetal idea is sound. if one could weaponize idiocy at will one wouldn't need any further wishes from the djinn.

13:30:21 nubbins`: i feel like there's loot to be made with one of those bitcoin ATMs here, but i also feel like i can't be fucked to manage an ATM

13:35:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the close is flawed. the mind can not on its own recreate the damagingly illogical. this is pretty much the largest most important safety we have.

13:35:59 mircea_popescu: it's a biological protection on the level of "dead by holding his own breath", except implemented in nature rather than in the body.

13:41:29 nubbins`: ah, in the normal run of events, sure.

13:41:46 nubbins`: go visit a bughouse and tell me none of those people recreated the damagingly illogical :D

13:42:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm

13:42:23 assbot: BLIT - a short story by David Langford

13:42:37 mircea_popescu: it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop.

13:42:40 nubbins`: (i know a guy who claims he's had a cube stuck inside his brain for ~17 years. he declines to elaborate)

13:42:48 nubbins`: yah, i read that last night

13:42:50 nubbins`: good one

13:43:10 nubbins`: snow crash, same idea but novel-length and w/ language rather than sight

13:43:33 nubbins`: and, inexplicably, an adult male having sex with a female child

13:45:23 mircea_popescu: sf is period code for weirdo

13:45:34 mircea_popescu: much like queer used to be code for weirdo

13:46:22 mircea_popescu: so for some inexplainable reason 93% of all the comment spam sent to fraudsters has to do with bags

13:46:26 mircea_popescu: ie, women's handbags.

13:46:26 mircea_popescu: wtf.

13:46:27 nubbins`: sci-fi eye on the straight guy

13:47:13 ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> it's a sf story about how the exposure to fractals make brains pop. /// a couple weeks ago i was charting for hours on end, using fib spirals and picking apart fractal patterns, and this repeating melody started in my head, not a song i knew, just a sequence. It was there for a day or two. First time I was musically inspired in a while.

13:47:32 mircea_popescu: not bad.

13:48:40 mircea_popescu: im curious who's gonna be the first b-a alumn to become famous in an unrelated field.

13:49:21 mircea_popescu: (i also have a bet with some unfriendly parties as to whether that film' gonna be criminal insanity or not, but that's a different story)

13:49:30 mircea_popescu: s/film/first/

13:49:54 ThickAsThieves: bitcoin has nasty habit of consuming "unrelated fields"

13:50:35 nubbins`: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/U33LTcjZhGN/MTV+TRL+Presents+Jonas+Brothers+T+Lady+GaGa/1zXNO2Hhne-/John+Keefe

13:50:35 assbot: John Keefe Pictures - MTV TRL Presents The Jonas Brothers, T.I., Lady GaGa and Boys Like Girls - Zimbio

13:50:45 nubbins`: that douche on the left has essentially the same name as me

13:50:51 nubbins`: closest i've gotten to fame so far

13:51:07 nubbins`: infamy, i'm already there. but fame? different story

13:56:49 nubbins`: [11:25:53] samO__ (6d5dedf1@unaffiliated/samo) left IRC. (Changing host)

13:56:49 nubbins`: [11:25:53] samO__ (6d5dedf1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.93.237.241) joined the channel.

13:56:52 nubbins`: mask on a web client?

13:58:46 mircea_popescu: infamy ? how are you infamous ?

13:59:08 mircea_popescu: and yes, you can login with nameserv from a webirc session as well as from any other session

14:07:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: vestigial waste of time. <<< why <<<< if you pharmacologically zap stages 3 and 4 of sleep - eventually death. stages 1 and 2 are spandrels. they're, as far as anybody knows, worthless - if you sleep only 1 and 2, approx. same as not sleeping at all. but our meat is not equipped for skipping straight to 3 normally.

14:07:24 mircea_popescu: define worthless.

14:07:28 mircea_popescu: what's your measure of worth ?

14:07:32 asciilifeform: waste of time.

14:07:36 asciilifeform: ;;google evolutionary spandrel

14:07:36 gribble: Spandrel (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandrel_(biology); Evolution The Spandrels of San Marco and the Panglossian ...: http://faculty.washington.edu/lynnhank/GouldLewontin.pdf; Adaptations, Exaptations, and Spandrels - Social Sciences Division: http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/webdocs/spandrels.html

14:07:39 mircea_popescu: you know that's no good do you ?

14:08:47 asciilifeform: not that 'stage 1+2 is a spandrel' is a proven hypothesis, of course. merely that it has not been tested. i suspect that it can be proven.

14:09:23 mircea_popescu: but even if it were, that's still not enough for what you're arguing.

14:10:22 asciilifeform: if it were, that's still not enough << ??

14:10:41 mircea_popescu: it isn't. you're saying it's "a waste of time", a spandrel merely means "not directly resulting from selection"

14:10:46 mircea_popescu: these aren't the same strength.

14:10:50 asciilifeform: aha

14:10:56 mircea_popescu: take the case of the heart.

14:10:56 asciilifeform: perhaps spandrel is wrong word.

14:11:11 mircea_popescu: the heart is a well designed pump, that works very well in its own engineering envelope.

14:11:33 mircea_popescu: people who use it outside of that envelope, such as for instance habitual stimulant abusers, stock brokers and other such "high stress" occupations usually die of heart failure.

14:11:46 mircea_popescu: the reason for this is that the heart can't do too many regime change cycles a day

14:12:13 mircea_popescu: now, having a period of time where it can relax and clean up may be exactly what it needs. even if this is enforced by cnc paralysis rather than another venue

14:12:44 asciilifeform: sure.

14:12:47 mircea_popescu: the human body being a final case of "the protocol is the code". it works like we've discussed, as this insane collection of things repaired by malfunction in unassociated things

14:12:48 asciilifeform: hence stages 3, 4.

14:12:56 mircea_popescu: there were some renaissance mechanical models for this.

14:13:19 thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo good luck my friend

14:13:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

14:13:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that for me to disprove your stance, all i need is an example of possible failure, which i've satisfied. for you to support your stance giving a counterexample is not enough.

14:14:06 asciilifeform: hypothesis here is that stages 1 and 2 are 'runway'

14:14:22 mircea_popescu: i read the hypothesis here as "stages 1 and 2 can be safely removed"

14:14:31 asciilifeform: test would be - some means of reliably rocketing through them straight to 3 on demand.

14:15:00 asciilifeform: (and staying in 3+4 without the normal gaps of 1,2)

14:15:04 mircea_popescu: only problem with that test is you won't be able to distinguish the source of any side effects - from the rocketing or from the rocket.

14:15:14 asciilifeform: certainly.

14:15:29 thestringpuller: walking into bitcoin-assets becomes more like walking into a random lecutre hall at a good university...

14:15:31 mircea_popescu: but anyway. i don't expect improvement here.

14:15:37 thestringpuller: and this is just "normal" conversation

14:15:40 *: mircea_popescu waves at thestringpuller

14:16:03 asciilifeform: just as the example you gave, of stimulant abusers - most of the documented medical sequelae, afaik, are from extreme sleep deprivation...

14:16:15 mircea_popescu: well, they removed 1 and 2 did they not.

14:16:19 *: thestringpuller salutes mircea_popescu and asciilifeform *good day sirs*

14:16:29 asciilifeform: and 3, 4, and they won't even lie down

14:16:30 asciilifeform: yes.

14:16:39 mircea_popescu: rocket and rocketing again :)

14:17:33 mircea_popescu: but at this point, we suddenly face the danger of falling into nominalism. consider a pill that zaps 1&2 so you can 3-4 only, withj the caveat that to be used safe over a century, you have to lie down for two to three hours each day and relax independently of sleep.

14:17:47 mircea_popescu: well... so what does the pill do again ? allows you to rename things ? i can do that w/o pills :D

14:18:04 asciilifeform: well, for one thing you could 'sleep' when not palpably weary

14:18:11 mircea_popescu: i can do that now.

14:18:13 asciilifeform: like housecat

14:18:28 asciilifeform: (some people already know how to do this, yes.)

14:18:40 mircea_popescu: theres really nothing to know, you just... lie down and sleep

14:19:18 asciilifeform: then perhaps mutants.

14:19:26 *: asciilifeform cannot do this unless chronically deprived of sleep

14:19:43 mircea_popescu: !up chalbersma

14:19:51 mircea_popescu: i think the more likely producitve approach is psychologic tho

14:20:23 mircea_popescu: can you normally tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was the cause, if you're sick ?

14:20:32 mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://www.reddit.com/r/shutupandtakemymoney/comments/2g099b/what_is_bitcoin_silkscreened_posters_150_left/

14:20:32 assbot: "What is Bitcoin?" silkscreened posters [1/50 left] : shutupandtakemymoney

14:21:01 nubbins`: ha

14:21:04 nubbins`: an honor, i'm sure

14:21:06 asciilifeform: i'd say yes

14:21:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then just lie down with yourself and relax, it's doable.

14:21:43 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: takes an hour or to to even begin to switch gears, and that's if tired.

14:21:51 mircea_popescu: why ?

14:22:37 nubbins`: oh, it links to the ink-mixing post

14:22:37 *: asciilifeform precisely wishes to know why

14:22:49 nubbins`: i thought this was some sort of sarcastic butthurt style reddit

14:23:05 nubbins`: now i'm just confused

14:23:15 ThickAsThieves: skip to 3&4 with 5 shots of vodka

14:23:24 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: opposite effect, there.

14:23:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform say, take the pet, go to yoga class.

14:23:34 mircea_popescu: on one hand, chicks in yoga pants!

14:23:40 mircea_popescu: on the other hand, relaxation is an important skill.

14:23:47 ThickAsThieves: but but vodka makes you live longer

14:24:02 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i dun sell gherkins to gardners and vodka to russians.

14:26:25 chetty: mircea_popescu, has these insane instant change mode switches .... he really don't understand how the rest of us live

14:26:27 *: asciilifeform doesn't know the secret of the hypothetical, legendary 'motorized sleep.' but suspects that, just as eight cylinder engine is an improvement over the most skilled runner, there could be a means for improvement here.

14:27:35 ThickAsThieves: maybe we need to go on life support when we sleep

14:27:57 asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: question'd be, which sort.

14:28:21 mircea_popescu: i don't think sleep improvement is impossible per se. but i do think what's herein contemplated is of the level of improving cpu caching with drills, lathes and other mechanical tools.

14:28:28 asciilifeform: lol!

14:28:28 mircea_popescu: even if it works it hasn't worked.

14:28:38 ThickAsThieves: maybe humans have a built in hibernation function we dont know how to work yet

14:29:02 mircea_popescu: or maybe sleep is a very high level cognitive function, and humanity still struggles with logic.

14:29:17 ThickAsThieves: maybe we're always sleeping

14:29:27 *: asciilifeform has wild, '9000%' variation in sleep quality from day to day, since childhood, and would be satisfied with knowing why and having knobs for it.

14:29:28 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got the stomach for some mysticism ?

14:29:32 asciilifeform: sure

14:29:40 mircea_popescu: you know anything about the pashtun ?

14:29:46 asciilifeform: quite a bit.

14:30:00 mircea_popescu: suppose there's a well respected, honorful general of this one tribe

14:30:07 mircea_popescu: he lives in a hut, like all the others, rural pashtun.

14:30:14 mircea_popescu: suppose "good sleep" is being in his tent.

14:30:35 mircea_popescu: suppose the normal introduction so you may be allowed there takes a coupla hours, going through all the complicated pashtun honor ceremonies.

14:30:56 *: asciilifeform sees where this is going

14:30:58 mircea_popescu: suppose shady gringo in the kabul market offers to sell you a dust which, if sparkled around, will teleport you straight into tent, no further need for "Wasting time"

14:31:01 mircea_popescu: how much ?

14:31:07 asciilifeform: lol

14:31:22 asciilifeform: !s bathtub catapult

14:31:23 assbot: 1 results for 'bathtub catapult' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bathtub+catapult

14:31:23 mircea_popescu: HOW you get there may be as important as how much time you spend, neh ?

14:31:34 mircea_popescu: after all, ninjashogun spent some time here too.

14:31:42 mircea_popescu: he HAS that catapult.

14:31:46 mircea_popescu: what's it do for him ?

14:32:00 mircea_popescu: plenty of people work up the nerve to speak over hours. plenty more probably haven't yet. so ?

14:32:30 ThickAsThieves: who wants to spend their waking ours managing their sleeping ones

14:32:35 ThickAsThieves: hours*

14:32:40 asciilifeform: good analogy, except that, with correct plans, it is possible to survive the bathtub catapult (parachute exists.)

14:32:55 The20YearIRCloud: Closed on the loan today, joy

14:33:10 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you ever met that blessed folk that will spent sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep", 5 dolla an hour ?

14:33:59 asciilifeform: sixteen hours a day working to "make money while they sleep" >> they're struggling for escape from arbeit macht frei.

14:34:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe mere survival ain't the goal.

14:34:06 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud how much did you get in the end ?

14:34:18 The20YearIRCloud: 100k

14:34:21 mircea_popescu: not bad.

14:34:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform escape < they still get paid in paypal. what escape. incape.

14:34:44 asciilifeform: didn't say - successful escape. attempted.

14:34:46 The20YearIRCloud: It's a fixed rate credit line, which is nice as we can go out, buy properties, refinance said properties, then just continue to buy more

14:34:56 asciilifeform: a few bullets from the guard towers lodged in arse.

14:35:27 ThickAsThieves: i wonder if people who only sleep 3-5 hrs a day, live more or less waking hours than those sleeping 8+

14:35:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the premise is flawed. they're trying to escape... into da's office ?

14:35:31 asciilifeform: likewise, paid in scrip, but never need to wake up / go places / take orders - still a kind of escape.

14:35:43 mircea_popescu: i guess.

14:35:45 *: rithm hugs scrip

14:35:56 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves chetty used to sleep 4ish hours for many years.

14:36:26 mircea_popescu: i suspect this is a lot easier for women

14:36:37 ThickAsThieves: i rarely sleep more than 5 for a long time

14:36:38 asciilifeform: ah and that's another tidbit - some people need considerably less, for firing on all cylinders, than others. find out why. if can replicate - win.

14:36:55 ThickAsThieves: i do get tired though

14:36:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some people are fucking dumb. others - not so. find out why, avoid, win.

14:36:59 mircea_popescu: wtf are you on about lol :D

14:37:33 asciilifeform: picture hypothetical - what if actually needing 8+ hours is something like 'beriberi'

14:37:34 mircea_popescu: if you're going for this why not make smart pill directly, why bother with sleep pill.

14:37:34 ThickAsThieves: i think eating frequency is a factor as well, metabolism

14:37:55 asciilifeform: what if we just aren't eating enough $rareearth

14:38:02 mircea_popescu: what if, ok. but i dun believe that has a leg to stand on.

14:38:15 mircea_popescu: sleep is very similar, and in fact one of the better arguments pro homogenity in the human race

14:38:29 *: asciilifeform does not even remotely know the answer to this one, but can't rule out a beriberi-like gotcha

14:38:29 mircea_popescu: the fact that all cultures had beds, and the fact that all cultures could go to bed with any others.

14:38:39 mircea_popescu: that exists in all climes ?

14:38:50 mircea_popescu: what WOULD you take to rule it out ?

14:39:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.00488188 = 1.9528 BTC [+] {4}

14:40:29 asciilifeform: what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.'

14:41:05 mircea_popescu: how are you going to fix mother dna outside of eugeny ?

14:41:14 asciilifeform: that was example of 'can't'

14:41:28 mircea_popescu: (yes, that's how that "extra" dna from the mother side works - mitochondria has its own dna set)

14:41:34 asciilifeform: alternatively, scenario where there is a fix. some folks feel that they would profit from being - taller. in russia, they can fix this.

14:41:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah i read "can fix"

14:41:39 asciilifeform: (illegal in usa, afaik.)

14:41:52 mircea_popescu: lol how do they fix it ? suspension ?

14:42:03 mircea_popescu: procust's bed ?

14:42:11 asciilifeform: surgeon breaks both of your legs with a clever little instrument; sets them in such a way that they grow 10cm or so at a time - longer.

14:42:28 asciilifeform: a year+ in wheelchair.

14:42:30 mircea_popescu: i had no idea.

14:42:48 mircea_popescu: shitty trade tho. i wouldn't spend a year in wheelchair for an extra four inches

14:43:00 asciilifeform: matters more for one man than another

14:43:27 asciilifeform: used to be, folks would travel there for this op, just like others went to thailand for 'sex change' etc

14:43:33 ThickAsThieves: like Gattaca

14:43:35 mircea_popescu: im almost tempted by your theory. "you can sleep better if you never have sex again. here's the pill"

14:43:39 chetty: ooo GATTICA

14:43:39 ThickAsThieves: ever seen than movie?

14:43:41 asciilifeform: dulap!

14:43:53 asciilifeform: schlick.

14:43:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, the pill just makes you uber horny.

14:44:00 ThickAsThieves: mp you should watch it

14:44:07 mircea_popescu: i think i have.

14:44:19 ThickAsThieves: word

14:44:21 *: asciilifeform saw, not impressed

14:44:42 mircea_popescu: isn't it some derpy "kid wants to be fighter jet pilot, cock not big enough, o lala la drama" story ?

14:44:46 ThickAsThieves: well, the goal is to be entertained, not impressed per se :)

14:44:49 chetty: well it did have application for longer legs

14:45:11 *: asciilifeform pictures a jet actually piloted using cock

14:45:23 ThickAsThieves: cock must be this big to ride

14:45:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, the us-agitprop makes me chaf. "o noes, you can do anything, retards are people too, form a circle let's hold hands"

14:45:39 mircea_popescu: meh. not my kettle.

14:45:41 asciilifeform: the way, some say, stephen hawking drives his wheelchair with arse muscle joystick

14:45:41 ThickAsThieves: good tshirt for a porn actress

14:45:59 mircea_popescu: ^ prolly done to death.

14:47:07 asciilifeform: form a circle let's hold hands << in old science fiction, it'd have been 'cripple builds cybernetic mega-coc, proceeds to kill worlds'

14:49:35 The20YearIRCloud: I found a few singlewide trailers for our company

14:49:53 The20YearIRCloud: we're looking at two different lots that have them, i'm pretty darn excited, it all gets me one step closer to being the slumlord I desire

14:50:15 asciilifeform: wait - people rent these?

14:51:14 *: asciilifeform thought trailer was for 'owning home' when you only have a few thousand usd in pocket

14:52:06 chetty: asciilifeform, no need for that anymore, mortages grow on gubermint trees

14:52:36 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud trailers ?!

14:54:38 The20YearIRCloud: Yeah

14:54:53 The20YearIRCloud: I've got a pretty good concept of what i want to do, just need a municipality where I can do it legally

14:55:10 ThickAsThieves: i rented a trailer when i first moced to fl

14:55:16 ThickAsThieves: moved*

14:55:18 mircea_popescu: so what is that, the ohio happy brothel ?

14:55:21 asciilifeform: mortages grow on gubermint trees << more complicated than this. no houses in the usual sense, near what remains of civilization in usa, are permitted to cost less than mid six digit.

14:55:24 The20YearIRCloud: But the premise is to take crappy trailers, and have my guys refurbish them in a way that they'd be superior to most conventionally built houses with regards to energy, and then rent em out for median pricing

14:55:44 mircea_popescu: what's the floor surface of a trailer ? 200sq ft ?

14:55:53 rithm: closer to 1000

14:55:55 rithm: 750

14:55:59 mircea_popescu: that big ?

14:56:02 *: asciilifeform would happily live in a refrigerator truck, or a partizan dugout, or similar, if it didn't come with being corralled into a ghetto of similar wretches

14:56:03 rithm: depends on single or double

14:56:13 mircea_popescu: why not just buy shipping containers then. not so expensive, can be stacked...

14:56:19 mircea_popescu: rithm he just said double

14:56:20 The20YearIRCloud: ones i'm looking at are 900-1000

14:56:24 mircea_popescu: shit. he just said single.

14:56:27 The20YearIRCloud: Not legal in my area to use a shipping container

14:56:30 rithm: shipping container buried the side of a hill sounds lovely to me

14:56:42 asciilifeform: Not legal in my area to use a shipping container << perhaps you can guess why.

14:56:53 mircea_popescu: cauze it'd be cheaper and more efficient ?

14:56:53 The20YearIRCloud: At least, a trailer lives up to code when it was built, and it isn't illegal to use one that's old as dirt

14:56:54 rithm: mircea_popescu i totally do not follow the chat and just jump in randomly as if i knew what were going on

14:57:01 asciilifeform: for the same reason buckminster fuller's injection-molded plastic house was banned.

14:57:16 nubbins`: ^

14:57:23 asciilifeform: real estate parasite scum live, breathe, to keep housing costly.

14:57:25 The20YearIRCloud: Zoning is quite slow

14:57:34 The20YearIRCloud: We're just catching on to doing steel skinned, soy insullated houses

14:57:47 nubbins`: wait, i thought it was unions that did his house-pod things in

14:57:47 The20YearIRCloud: the fiberglass people a pretty crazy when it comes to supressing new types of insullation

14:57:56 nubbins`: Big Glass

14:58:03 mircea_popescu: lol

14:58:20 mircea_popescu: fiberglass isn't that bad, but it's fucking toxyc.

14:58:23 The20YearIRCloud: There's this one type of soy insullation we want, it's 4x more efficient per cubic meter than anything fiberglass has to offer, and some municipalities still don't allow

14:58:39 nubbins`: BIG GLASS IS IN THE TREES

14:58:44 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud how do you keep the wevils out ?

14:58:45 *: nubbins` swivels wildly about

14:58:51 asciilifeform: big glass << laugh all you like, 'corning co.' is one of the few remaining mega-industrial giants in usa

14:59:11 asciilifeform: fiberglass toxic << yes

14:59:39 *: asciilifeform has workshop in a very large garden shed, that came with current rental. itches every time coming out of it.

14:59:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform partizan dugout may be pretty cool.

14:59:49 mircea_popescu: i hear all the truant tattooed teenagers swarm there

15:00:29 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd be great, but would have to be deep in a forest, secret, with a stump for a chimney - just like during the war. because living in something that isn't a house is highly illegal in usa (unless part of a designated ghettoschwitz)

15:01:32 mircea_popescu: and it gotta be in usa ?

15:01:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall a story of yours, about a chum who went to usa and left in disgust, when he was not permitted to build other than a cardboard house.

15:02:25 mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.

15:03:03 The20YearIRCloud: alot of it depends on municipality

15:03:18 The20YearIRCloud: there's areas where I live that they don't care what you put up or what you live in (Sheds included), but those aren't areas I want property in

15:03:52 asciilifeform: gotta be in usa << currently. (as discussed in the past)

15:04:12 mircea_popescu: yeah well, partisan dugouts in the us may have to wait a few years.

15:04:22 asciilifeform: if could afford to escape - would. just like every other schmuck

15:06:29 asciilifeform: those aren't areas I want property in << designated ghettoschwitzes, yes. notice how it is highly illegal to keep out scum other than through real estate pricing, in any part of usa.

15:06:58 assbot: chalbersma +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

15:07:07 asciilifeform: cannot, for example, 'to buy property here you must solve this here single-variable integral.'

15:07:39 kakobrekla: !up chalbersma

15:07:43 asciilifeform: or even 'name the 50 states of usa'

15:08:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "and their capitols"

15:08:14 asciilifeform: any of it.

15:08:31 mircea_popescu: the idea holds water tho. money is supposed to work as an iq-meter.

15:08:38 mircea_popescu: if it doesn't, THAT has to be fixed, not this.

15:08:42 asciilifeform: bidding wars

15:09:01 mircea_popescu: hm ?

15:09:37 mircea_popescu: im not even sure i could do integration by hand, outside of recognising the formulaic equivalents.

15:10:16 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607598

15:10:17 assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 14:59:26; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.

15:10:56 asciilifeform: doesn't have to be integrals. i just picked an example from 'captchas' used on some russian forums.

15:11:11 mircea_popescu: haha they actually use integrals as captchas ?

15:11:37 mircea_popescu: but it's simple pattern recognition, right ? of the ilk of "what is x2 + y2 + 2xy"

15:11:41 asciilifeform: (perhaps mircea_popescu and i might've forgotten how to grind gnarly integrals mentally, but we still have the neurons to grind with 'macsyma' etc.)

15:12:26 asciilifeform: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2174/2268237733_cda4a1dbb3.jpg?v=0

15:12:32 The20YearIRCloud: No, not ghettos, extremely rural areas with low property prices/low market

15:12:36 asciilifeform: (american version)

15:12:48 The20YearIRCloud: If i'm going in those areas, i'm getting land for the land, not to build cheap houses

15:13:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ouch lol. i have nfi

15:13:19 mircea_popescu: what am i supposed to be, 18 ?!

15:13:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://lurkmore.so/images/c/cc/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%87%D0%B0.jpg

15:14:07 asciilifeform: http://avz.org.ua/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/captcha2.gif

15:14:08 asciilifeform: and the like.

15:15:12 mircea_popescu: heh. so the top is what, like 2/3x^2/3 + x ?

15:15:19 mircea_popescu: this shit's awful wtf.

15:15:44 *: asciilifeform brings this up as example of something that you certainly, definitely, under threat of harsh punishments, could not get away with in allocation of american housing.

15:17:34 mircea_popescu: does that russian forum actually expect someone to type out (2/3 * x ** (2/3))/((3/4 * x ** (3/4) -(6/7 * x ** (6/7) )+x as a reply to a captcha ?

15:17:37 mircea_popescu: or am i missing something ?

15:17:53 *: kakobrekla doesnt feel bad about 'XVII + nineteen' anymore

15:17:59 asciilifeform: answer's usually short.

15:18:10 mircea_popescu: well is this one ?

15:18:28 chetty: not so very different than making people jump through gpg hoops to get voice in here

15:18:35 *: asciilifeform can't be arsed. does not frequent said forums, or advocate this recipe.

15:18:42 asciilifeform: it was example.

15:19:04 mircea_popescu: scam.

15:19:05 nubbins`: chetty 8)

15:19:19 asciilifeform: but i'd rather do these integrals every ten minutes, than be asked to come up with $mil.

15:19:26 mircea_popescu: why the fuck ?

15:19:34 mircea_popescu: i got more $mil than #patience.

15:19:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you - yes. sure

15:19:50 mircea_popescu: let teenagers suck the cock and do the integrals, wtf are they for.

15:21:21 diametric: asciilifeform: you actually can make stipulations like that in american housing.

15:21:22 asciilifeform: point not being that i personally relish integral puzzles, but that if it were possible to escape usaschwitz by getting good at them, i'd be inclined to try.

15:21:45 asciilifeform: diametric: really? i was told it was banned as 'racist' at one point.

15:21:47 diametric: asciilifeform: re: home owners associations. they can basically place any number of arbitrary conditions on home ownership.

15:21:57 asciilifeform: ;;google disparate impact

15:21:58 gribble: Disparate impact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact; Disparate Impact legal definition of Disparate Impact - Legal Dictionary: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Disparate+Impact; What is disparate impact? definition and meaning: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/disparate-impact.html

15:21:59 mircea_popescu: diametric may have a point. you can prolly ge away with a community agreement where every tenant has to play scrabble or some shit

15:22:09 mircea_popescu: exactly.

15:22:10 diametric: mircea_popescu: exactly.

15:22:19 mircea_popescu: ha! i beat someone to it for once, even if it was 2nd pass.

15:22:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall that if your torture test ends up affecting one ethnic faction more than another, you get in hot water

15:22:50 diametric: usually hoas are run by bored housewives and middle managers that want to feel the power of lording over people.

15:22:51 mircea_popescu: only if you take fed money.

15:23:01 asciilifeform: 'griggs vs duke power'

15:23:29 asciilifeform: though, if i recall, it concerned employment rather than real estate

15:23:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, the thing you cite is employment law.

15:23:34 mircea_popescu: damn.

15:24:03 *: asciilifeform ianal, does not know if 'integral torture' on real estate sales would be permitted in usa

15:24:03 diametric: asciilifeform: there are only very specific sets of things hoas can't do. For example they can't say "no blacks allowed" or "women can't park here."

15:24:18 mircea_popescu: in principle, disallowing absurd selection practices for employers may be unavoidable. otherwise, think of that church idiot and his "advice"

15:24:22 mircea_popescu: imagine how it'd proliferate.

15:24:48 asciilifeform: which 'advice'

15:24:55 asciilifeform: he had a number of crackpot recipes

15:25:05 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/how-the-other-half-lives-or-michael-o-church-is-a-scummy-fuckwit/

15:25:06 assbot: How the other half lives, or Michael O. Church is a scummy fuckwit pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

15:25:24 asciilifeform: aha

15:29:06 chetty: personally I have trouble seeing the difference between "women can't park here." and bakers must bake any cake requested

15:30:10 diametric: chetty: US law specifically says one is "special"

15:30:42 diametric: bakers aren't afforded the luxury of a special status

15:30:47 mircea_popescu: chetty a baker applies for permission to be a baker.

15:30:52 mircea_popescu: a woman is a woman afore the state.

15:31:28 mircea_popescu: it's quite logical, if you care to follow the twisted remants of logic inside the system

15:31:35 chetty: mircea_popescu, well it used to be like that nayway, these days it can be a choice

15:31:56 mircea_popescu: which is why so much lobby to not distinguish natural and manufactured women

15:34:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, what irks me isn't the weirdo stuff in the us as much as the memetic tendency. if it worked like, "if you want women to park anywhere and bakers to bake anything, go to ohio ; if you want women to not be allowed to park anywhere, go to montana" etc it'd be fine.

15:34:38 mircea_popescu: have a pedo state, send all pedos there, have a 1950s household, send all 1950s types to utah, and so on and so forth

15:34:48 mircea_popescu: but if you try make all teh places run on the same software...

15:35:19 mircea_popescu: but no, lincoln must has know better what's best!

15:35:55 chetty: well that was the idea when they started ... but states as sovereign entities has gone away

15:38:11 mircea_popescu: well, the accident that guncotton is not made out of cottons while guns are made out of fllailed earth had something to do with it.

15:39:13 mircea_popescu: it's universal this, absent universally pervasive dedication to diversity, diversity flounders because by its very definition it's multiple examples are not all equally fit.

15:40:09 mircea_popescu: this is usually obvious in computer game design. if there's a warrior, a mage and an archer, having them all "equally powerful" defeats the point of having 3 of them. having them "differently powerful" often reduces to the former.

15:40:13 mircea_popescu: no real way to solve it.

15:49:31 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

15:49:33 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 484.63, Best ask: 485.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 485.0, 24 hour volume: 12575.72910500, 24 hour low: 462.56, 24 hour high: 492.0, 24 hour vwap: 476.417919968

15:49:52 chetty: but in practice it tends to reduce to the lowest common denominator not the most fit wins ...

15:50:30 mircea_popescu: you underestimate the importance of cheapness.

15:50:44 mircea_popescu: there's more ants than people alive not because ants are better tea company

15:50:51 mircea_popescu: but because they cost less to produce and less to maintain

15:51:22 mircea_popescu: cheapness is, so to speak, the mother of fit.

15:59:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.46195344 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 388 satoshi per share

16:02:56 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell hanbot http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Perfect-Timing-Photos-157-630x605.jpg

16:02:57 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:03:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40933458 BTC to 15`374 shares, 9167 satoshi per share

16:05:11 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re 9000%: factors for me are exercise and regularity of schedule

16:18:35 mircea_popescu: and this one is for my mom : http://i.imgur.com/68Uyseu.jpg

16:30:19 thestringpuller: ants are also eusocial

16:30:44 thestringpuller: probably more termites than ants

16:43:29 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the entire "eusocial" bs is little more than socialist propaganda.

16:43:39 mircea_popescu: just about zero scientific merit to it.

16:44:28 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://i.imgur.com/gjnU3b1.jpg

17:13:20 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is anti-social

17:15:27 mircea_popescu: no, i'm eusocial, and i take offense at the dilution of terminology.

17:52:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.000605 = 0.605 BTC [-]

17:59:41 kakobrekla: https://buy.hardwarewallet.com/hw1shop/#shop

17:59:41 assbot: HardwareWallet

17:59:47 kakobrekla: >GreenAddress : safer multiplatform wallet with multisignature, second factor confirmation of all transactions and anti-goxing protection.

18:05:04 kakobrekla: It is unfortunately not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware due to NDA restrictions, however you can verify with the specification that all commands do what they are supposed to do, and that clients are only sending documented commands.

18:05:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 858 @ 0.0006014 = 0.516 BTC [-] {4}

18:18:07 thestringpuller: NDA restrictions?

18:18:09 thestringpuller: from who? themselves?

18:43:33 ThickAsThieves: NDA that greenaddress gas with NSA

18:43:39 ThickAsThieves: has*

18:45:37 thestringpuller: wtf is "anti-goxing" protection?!?!?

18:45:46 thestringpuller: is this just for the lulz?

18:47:14 ThickAsThieves: means they won't let anyone named Mark have an account

18:49:29 ThickAsThieves: !up truffles

18:49:42 ben_vulpes: ho shit

18:49:44 ben_vulpes: ;;seen truffles

18:49:45 gribble: truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over

18:49:53 truffles: its not over

18:49:59 truffles: i was curious

18:50:45 truffles: i tried to arrange that chess match with nubbins a while back kinda difficult to do when not in same room..

18:51:13 ThickAsThieves: that almost makes sense

18:52:38 truffles: it bugs me when i dont resolve things..

18:59:14 ben_vulpes: bingoboingo's had much success running games over irc and webgames...

19:28:07 thestringpuller: I challenge ben_vulpes to Starcraft!

19:41:35 artifexd: My "copper rounds" just showed up. They *are* nice.

19:43:21 jurov: BLIT << wasn't this actually invented by monty python? only they had it as deadly joke

19:43:51 jurov: obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast

19:48:03 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: it's been years and i was never any good :P

20:02:07 jurov: re:smart pill - i think there may yet be surprising discoveries

20:02:25 jurov: such as, wide occurrence of latent chlamydia

20:03:24 jurov: that bugger tends to lurk in fat tissue where it is untreatable by antibiotics and slowly releases neurotoxins

20:04:25 jurov: result? unexplicable pain and lowered mental performance

20:04:59 jurov: why it isn't object of research till recently? doctors were taught it's simple treatable veneral disease

20:05:28 jurov: ans sexual diseases research is uncool

20:06:53 jurov: how do i know? i was diagnosed ch. pneumoniae (lung one, not the sexual one)

20:07:04 jurov: and not in lungs, but on skin

20:07:30 jurov: and every time i exercise and get skinner, i get sick

20:08:21 ben_vulpes: fascinating!

20:08:22 jurov: tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture

20:08:41 rithm: i'm in good health, i've never broken a bone or had any type of major surgery

20:09:06 rithm: i love menthol cigarettes too

20:09:26 ben_vulpes: i too support more sex disease research

20:09:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00076812 = 6.529 BTC [-]

20:10:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00076607 = 6.8272 BTC [-] {2}

20:15:13 ben_vulpes: twould be grand if life could go on without condoms

20:15:42 HeySteve: hello, was wondering if a prepared NDA exists which can be cryptographically signed?

20:16:59 ben_vulpes: yes

20:18:42 HeySteve: great, even better if you have a link

20:32:50 thestringpuller: re: health. pharma corps suppress a lot of research to increase profits it seems.

20:59:34 The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: i'm pretty sure they can, since they've talked alot about contracting via blockchain

21:07:20 thestringpuller: The20YearIRCloud what are you referring to?

21:07:43 The20YearIRCloud: I'll have to dig it up, but there's a few altcoin or places that say they can sign contracts via blockchain

21:10:47 thestringpuller: wouldn't gpg contracts be easier?

21:12:34 HeySteve: I'd think so

21:12:37 ben_vulpes: HeySteve: i mean i bought mine, and gpg sign it.

21:13:08 HeySteve: yeah someone linked me to a good generic one, will use that with gpg sigs

21:20:30 ben_vulpes: strip the text out, hard wrap it at 80 chars, gpg sign it

21:22:54 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.' << I dunno mitochondral replacement might be an interesting experiment

21:25:17 BingoBoingo: If mitochondria are some separate symiote we just depend on, there may be a way do a replacement

21:28:39 The20YearIRCloud: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/sep/10/bank-of-japan-interest-rates-zero

21:28:39 assbot: Bank of Japan drives rates below zero | Business | The Guardian

21:29:12 The20YearIRCloud: I'd hope that driving rates below zero and seeing little inflation would be more of a sign to keneysian economists that believe that inflation is solely driven by interest rates

21:34:14 ben_vulpes: http://bubblear.com/about-those-credit-default-swaps/

21:34:15 assbot: 403 Forbidden

21:40:36 The20YearIRCloud: interesting

21:49:15 ben_vulpes: 403 forbidden?

21:49:22 ben_vulpes: http://bubblear.com/about-those-credit-default-swaps/

21:49:23 assbot: 403 Forbidden

21:49:31 ben_vulpes: weird.

21:49:40 kakobrekla: hehe: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=777296.new#new

21:49:40 assbot: Cryptostocks PROBLEMS

21:51:21 kakobrekla: too bad it isnt in the bash

21:52:53 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/X2vZyFK.jpg

21:53:47 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: It is unfortunately not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware << lol

21:54:29 mircea_popescu: artifexd: My "copper rounds" just showed up. They *are* nice. << which are these ?

21:55:04 mircea_popescu: jurov: obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast << yeah i think you can say that. what was it, 70s ?

21:55:32 artifexd: The coins that look all circuit board-y

21:56:05 mircea_popescu: you mean the ones i linked like two days ago ?!

21:56:42 mircea_popescu: jurov: tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture << interesting, the chlamyda story.

21:57:01 mircea_popescu: *idya

21:58:35 mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: I'd hope that driving rates below zero and seeing little inflation would be more of a sign to keneysian economists that believe that inflation is solely driven by interest rates << there's no possible significance to keynesians anymore. they're a cult by now, like the collodial silver derps.

21:58:49 mircea_popescu: "o no but it relaly helps, we've just not found out what yet"

21:59:01 mircea_popescu: "everything"

21:59:52 mircea_popescu: omg lok at that, kakobrekla is still on account #4. what happened there, their mods got thrown in jail or something ?

22:00:20 kakobrekla: i just got this one today.

22:01:01 rithm: trickle-down, yo

22:01:03 mircea_popescu: !s "with Cryptostocks than MPEx"

22:01:03 assbot: 1 results for '"with Cryptostocks than MPEx"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22with+Cryptostocks+than+MPEx%22

22:03:17 mircea_popescu: lol it's from a jimmothy thread ?

22:03:18 mircea_popescu: "Why not addressing one of the several elephants in the room? Why is 90% of their revenue from recruiting new investonomers? Why is the exchange owner taking such a huge role in "educating" his "investors"? Why is every single company co-owned by the exchange owner?"

22:03:32 mircea_popescu: duh. because bitcoin people are stupid, in both cases. why else ?

22:04:54 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/3a46c43ff7dca6d11fc87d884f8589a1/tumblr_mvia2xrFj51qbfo7so1_1280.jpg

22:09:13 jurov: !mpif

22:09:14 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]

22:27:15 mircea_popescu: %p

22:27:18 atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net

22:27:18 atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9.93 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s

22:27:34 mircea_popescu: 1.7th ?! that's a lot innit ?

22:27:36 mircea_popescu: %d

22:27:37 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 283088.83 in 1271 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.93

22:28:50 BingoBoingo: %t

22:28:52 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221

22:28:58 artifexd: mircea_popescu: yes those

22:29:15 mircea_popescu: a nice.

22:29:29 BingoBoingo: %v

22:29:30 atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 843k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195

22:30:41 kakobrekla: ;;calc 14/232

22:30:41 gribble: 0.0603448275862

22:31:06 BingoBoingo: %d

22:31:06 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 283088.83 in 1271 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.93

22:31:34 mircea_popescu: i don't get it. shouldn't 2 th breeze through ?

22:35:23 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/braintree-paypal-company-accept-bitcoin/

22:36:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01046331 = 0.5022 BTC [-]

22:53:15 mircea_popescu: %p

22:53:16 atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net

22:53:16 atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.69 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.12 TH/s

22:53:41 mircea_popescu: i guess those are just random numbers basically

23:12:17 BingoBoingo: ATC is an interesting lab for what happens when nethash and difficulty disagree in strong ways

23:14:14 mircea_popescu: this is pretty lulzy http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/

23:14:15 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No : Buttcoin

23:14:41 mircea_popescu: "There's another fun gotcha: the winnings are paid out in bitcoin. So if bitcoin falls, and you win the bet, the value of the magic beans you won also goes down."

23:14:46 mircea_popescu: "Plus if you lose, you lose magic beans that were worthless anyway."

23:16:53 BingoBoingo: Lolzy http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ckeb3o8

23:16:53 assbot: RghoNomic comments on BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No

23:17:06 BingoBoingo: "Best part of that bet: The "scams" link lists the highest volume USD (Bitfinex) exchange as a scam AND it lists Coinbase as a scam."

23:30:10 mircea_popescu: how is bitfinex an exchange at all ?

23:30:20 mircea_popescu: it's just this bucket shop where you can pretend like you're trading bitcoin

23:31:48 BingoBoingo: Well, ask r/buttcoin

23:33:32 mircea_popescu: something good did come out of this tho. hey kakobrekla check this out : http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

23:33:32 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 46`812 (100`000 to 1)

23:33:42 mircea_popescu: as per title, 193.66. as per page display, 193.65

23:34:17 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker--market all

23:34:17 gribble: Error: "ticker--market" is not a valid command.

23:34:25 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

23:34:32 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 478.54, vol: 11585.02199166 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 473.5, vol: 3851.5951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 476.5, vol: 8487.06626041 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 477.220814, vol: 14662.47770000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 475.00001, vol: 0.02 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 488.4138, vol: 65.71840573 | Volume-weighted last average: 477.10619284

23:38:02 BingoBoingo: !up bhcoins

23:38:07 kakobrekla: myea one is using floor and the other is round

23:38:11 BingoBoingo: Hello bhcoins

23:41:24 kakobrekla: flor i mean

23:41:36 kakobrekla: whats with the double o, i dont know

23:42:05 kakobrekla: o no it floor

23:42:07 kakobrekla: lol

23:42:20 kakobrekla: flur.

23:42:25 punkman: someone tried to scam me as `punkman, just how high are these idiots

23:42:36 kakobrekla: lol

23:42:42 BingoBoingo: http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/09/10/1922252/researcher-fired-at-nsf-after-government-questions-her-role-as-1980s-activist

23:42:43 assbot: Researcher Fired At NSF After Government Questions Her Role As 1980s Activist - Slashdot

23:43:47 *: kakobrekla got confused cause of failed syntax highlighting :(

23:43:52 BingoBoingo: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5680999&cid=47876377 << lol comment

23:43:53 assbot: Researcher Fired At NSF After Government Questions Her Role As 1980s Activist - Slashdot

23:44:23 kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/

23:44:23 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 46`810 (100`000 to 1)

23:44:48 gernika: `punkman tried to scam me as well.

23:48:09 kakobrekla: actually im not fixing that.

23:57:33 mthreat: has mircea_popescu been to vancouver recently? http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/so-thats-what-they-meant-by-the-beast-will-rise-up

23:57:35 assbot: A Statue Of Satan With A Huge Erection Has Appeared In Vancouver For Some Reason

23:59:28 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/09/a-big-chunk-of-the-sierra-nevada-caught-fracturing-on-video/ << California begins breaking off into the ocean

23:59:28 assbot: A big chunk of the Sierra Nevada caught fracturing on video | Ars Technica