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Transcript for 10-11-2015, 547 lines:

00:06:30 BingoBoingo: Did you start putting the bebe to work yet?

00:07:23 pete_dushenski: i'm waiting until he figures out whose little baby fists keep punching him in the face.

00:07:46 pete_dushenski: until he can work his way through this process of elimination, ima let kids be kids :)

00:09:58 BingoBoingo: I see

00:17:20 ag3nt_zer0: pete_dushenski: just wanted to say thanks for the great reads over at Contravex... also, thanks for that minor comment regarding my skills with the students that one day... it means something

00:17:58 pete_dushenski: ag3nt_zer0: don't mention it

00:18:26 pete_dushenski: general q : are there any documents or text floating about that were verifiably pgp-signed by satoshi ? inquiring minds...

00:21:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00054816 = 13.8136 BTC [-] {2}

00:33:33 pete_dushenski: https://grouponvouchersettlement.com/ << anyone here every tried one of these class action dealios ?

00:34:00 pete_dushenski: pretty sure i'm eligible for this groupon one. i dun see why i shouldn't give it a go.

00:37:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00055682 = 5.6796 BTC [+] {2}

00:38:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00054816 = 12.361 BTC [-]

00:42:12 mircea_popescu: haha cute.

00:43:02 ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: once or twice a year i get a check for $10 or so from them.

00:43:04 mircea_popescu: ascii_field www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-inventor-satoshi-nakamoto-nominated-nobel-prize-economics-bhagwan-chodry <<< lmao usg trying to resurect the gavin clown ?

00:43:29 mircea_popescu: hey, chances are pretty good, if obama got one, the road is open for any monkey irrespective of merit or competence.

00:43:40 mircea_popescu: the nobelwood prizes!

00:44:24 mircea_popescu: ascii_field> meanwhile buterin's waterfall reloaded by usg with another 44,000 btc << can't afford to lose bitbet bet :D

00:45:16 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> the dill's what makes this dish though whether this is a traditional ingredient, i couldn't say << certainly not.

00:45:33 pete_dushenski: didn't think so... but oh my was it fine !

00:46:43 pete_dushenski: anyways, the satoshi nobel thing is a few days old : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318943

00:46:43 assbot: Logged on 06-11-2015 22:32:00; adlai: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bhagwan-chowdry/i-shall-happily-accept-th_b_8462028.html "Satoshi Nakamoto already is in possession of several hundred million U.S. dollars worth of bitcoins so the additional prize money may not mean much to him. Only if he wants, the committee could also transfer the prize money to my bitcoin address, 165sAHBpLHujHbHx2zSjC898oXEz25Awtj. Mr Nakamoto and I will settle

00:47:44 mircea_popescu: i really vote for gavin to do the impersonation. he's so talented for it! also has costume!

00:47:45 pete_dushenski: http://www.the-tls.co.uk/tls/public/article1625175.ece << usually allergic to 'new' books, but this looked too interesting to pass up.

00:47:46 assbot: Pavlov’s parables | TLS ... ( http://bit.ly/1WJNrsw )

00:48:07 pete_dushenski: ftr, not my review, my copy is en route

00:48:21 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you really vote ;)

00:48:33 mircea_popescu: lol

00:48:36 mircea_popescu: well anyway.

00:49:27 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: hey neat

00:49:27 BingoBoingo: Headline win http://investmentwatchblog.com/illinois-school-discriminated-against-male-student-by-refusing-to-let-him-shower-with-naked-girls-obamas-education-dept-rules/

00:49:42 mircea_popescu: win.

00:53:06 mircea_popescu: in equally riveting news, real or fake ? http://41.media.tumblr.com/9110b350acf1bce4fdf46cf7b99aed58/tumblr_ms381lKa3V1rso06oo1_1280.jpg

00:53:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDLAJx )

00:53:55 *: pete_dushenski sadly discovers that he's ineligible for groupon pwnage because not a resident of Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vermont, or Washington.

00:54:28 pete_dushenski: how come americans get all the breaks ?

01:00:32 ben_vulpes: oh content thyself with not living in this insanely litigious 'soi-disant' state

01:00:47 BingoBoingo: We don't if you take the pitty check you forfeit your right to actual compensation down th eline

01:01:38 ben_vulpes: > actual compensation

01:01:43 ben_vulpes: haha bb you kill me

01:02:17 phf: actual compensation, flag on Reichstag?

01:02:54 BingoBoingo: Seriously ben_vulpes gotta read the small print. Probably in the near future going to be disclaimers leik "By accepting this you forfeit any claims to our anus in the name of TMSR"(tm)(r)

01:04:31 ben_vulpes: anyone writing contracts mentioning tmsr~ without being in the wot's looking for a paddlin

01:05:24 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/08/it-takes-more-than-time-it-takes-generations/#comment-34659

01:05:25 assbot: It takes more than time. It takes generations. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDMeqq )

01:05:26 BingoBoingo: Which is why they might start.

01:06:21 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: didja use <blockquote> tags ?

01:06:35 asciilifeform: <blockquite cite="...">

01:06:39 asciilifeform: *quote

01:06:50 pete_dushenski: why the 'cite' ?

01:06:50 ben_vulpes: quite the block, that citation.

01:07:01 pete_dushenski: that mighta been the issue

01:07:02 asciilifeform: b0rk3d

01:07:24 pete_dushenski: i'll clean it up :)

01:07:26 asciilifeform: ty

01:08:09 adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1FFSQG1.txt

01:08:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDMlCn )

01:08:12 deedbot-: accepted: 1

01:08:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321050 << aha. but when i first saw it, i thought it to be a gag

01:08:20 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 00:46:43; pete_dushenski: anyways, the satoshi nobel thing is a few days old : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-11-2015#1318943

01:08:56 asciilifeform: adlai: didja make a 'deedbot-fs' and using it for backups now?

01:08:59 asciilifeform: or what.

01:09:24 ben_vulpes: adlai: vV? MMM? vJ?

01:09:32 asciilifeform: if you wanna make him charge per kB, this is probably how.

01:09:50 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: probably just trying to wind mircea_popescu up on other avenues

01:10:26 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the satoshi nobel thing is, yes, sort of a gag in the sense that browntown has 'suggested' that satoshi be nominated, not ~actually~ nominated him

01:10:53 pete_dushenski: and used his position of 'suggestor' to angle for a free buck

01:12:27 asciilifeform: oh for fucks sake adlai

01:14:21 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/7hNKXMi

01:14:22 assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDMGEZ )

01:14:30 asciilifeform: was this really necessary.

01:15:14 asciilifeform: ^ contents of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321085

01:15:14 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 01:08:09; adlai: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1FFSQG1.txt

01:15:22 ben_vulpes: phillips exeter, y'say?

01:15:37 ben_vulpes: how'd you pull that out, asciilifeform?

01:15:46 asciilifeform: with hands.

01:22:18 asciilifeform: ;;later tell adlai how do you get to be a chandrasekhar in israel ? and why so depressed.

01:22:18 BingoBoingo: !up PeterL

01:22:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

01:22:26 BingoBoingo: !up Evolyn

01:22:43 PeterL: greetings, earthlings

01:22:53 BingoBoingo: Greetings our beloved cook

01:23:12 asciilifeform: PeterL: greetings herr organiker

01:23:13 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/08/it-takes-more-than-time-it-takes-generations/#comment-34662

01:23:14 assbot: It takes more than time. It takes generations. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDN86m )

01:23:54 pete_dushenski: unfortunately, that's all the time i have for now. later gents !

01:28:01 mod6: ben_vulpes will now refer to this corner of the us as "the tonsils" << haha.

01:32:11 ben_vulpes: http://deedbot.org/bundle-375398.txt

01:32:12 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDNzO1 )

02:08:41 BingoBoingo: http://takimag.com/article/mugging_me_softly_jim_goad#axzz3qgxdcog9

02:08:42 assbot: Mugging Me Softly - Taki's Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDPTEO )

02:22:59 asciilifeform: 'When I met my friend for dinner and told him what happened, he speculated that I was being set up for a ?soft mugging,? which is a term for when homeless people attach themselves to you and won?t leave until you give them some money.'

02:23:03 asciilifeform: ^ i call this 'megging'

02:23:06 asciilifeform: and it's a thing.

02:24:36 BingoBoingo: It's totally a thing

02:27:46 BingoBoingo: http://jimgoad.net/images/coexist.jpg

02:27:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MT0CTt )

02:27:53 BingoBoingo: ^ From author's site

02:37:35 hanbot: I stopped, looked him straight in the eyes, and said, ?What?s going on here? Why are you following me?? << seriously? what happened to "fuck off"? "Oh, --*-of CoUrSe-*-- I could've kung fu-ed..." but you didn't, schmuckelodeon. passive aggressive nonsense already, no wonder he's prey.

02:39:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was that all about ?

02:56:59 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

02:57:05 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 376.22, vol: 30395.91427305 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 372.5, vol: 10810.3052 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 378.93, vol: 38809.47548363 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 388.0, vol: 1.39112865 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 390.635712, vol: 54732.42380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 376.50999, vol: 46.90146658 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 368.7936, vol: 126.60491756 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

02:57:09 mircea_popescu: megging is totally a thing, i suspect half the marriages happen thrugh that method

02:57:09 BingoBoingo: ;;more

02:57:10 gribble: 382.542538549

02:59:52 hanbot: mircea_popescu well at least those marriages could be dissolved with this guy's plan. walk her up to some chicks, "listen, i know this is weird, but this woman won't leave me alone. would you stay with me a while so she'll maybe leave?"

03:00:58 mircea_popescu: i give this 0.3% chances of working

03:02:33 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/JRjyE

03:02:34 assbot: Why did Mike Hearn meet with the banks today? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0xK8P )

03:13:35 mircea_popescu: "the banks" hurrr

03:14:02 mircea_popescu: these people are the same fucking idiots that created "the banks" of Bitcoin cca 2012.

03:23:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00055697 = 2.7292 BTC [+] {3}

03:23:49 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/901052c0e25f7fc18afe1cb107ff2ae8/tumblr_n4xd4hNstL1qmwidzo1_400.gif

03:23:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WJZbey )

03:23:50 BingoBoingo: https://torrentfreak.com/rutracker-counters-lifetime-isp-ban-by-going-public-151109/

03:23:51 assbot: RuTracker Counters Lifetime ISP Ban By Going Public - TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1WJZaHy )

03:24:51 mircea_popescu: wtf is a "lifetime isp ban"

03:27:11 ben_vulpes: "In each case, I was not the instigator, only the one who fought back. But being unapologetically white and male worked against me in every case."

03:27:20 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Rand Paul will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1208/rand-paul-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/#b13

03:27:26 ben_vulpes: whoo hoo hoo

03:28:49 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some silly eastern thing

03:29:31 *: mircea_popescu wonders at just how dumb black folks in the us gotta be. seriously, a negligible minority being cast into this "infiltrated all levels of power!!!" role and they don't figure out what's next ? WAKE THE FUCK UP YO! THIS IS ~~~exactly~~~ WHAT HAPPENED OT THE JEWS, 1915-1935.

03:34:18 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321129 << which that

03:34:18 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 02:39:56; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was that all about ?

03:34:48 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321146 << great wall

03:34:48 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 03:24:51; mircea_popescu: wtf is a "lifetime isp ban"

03:35:22 ben_vulpes: funny, i was just having a conversation with ladybird about how "teh h0rr0r" of the holocaust (mostly concentration camps) is the entirety of what americans are taught about wwii and hitler and de and politics of the time generally. another instance of "stealing the having been stolen from".

03:36:29 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aka 'holocaustianity'

03:37:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you were asking re: the adlai thread: i decoded that turd he keeps deedbotting

03:37:45 mircea_popescu: o.o

03:37:58 mircea_popescu: gpg 0day ?? ?\

03:38:05 asciilifeform: aka base64.

03:38:08 mircea_popescu: a

03:38:36 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes looked surprised also, l0l

03:39:03 mircea_popescu: i have no idea how the russkis imagine "great wall" works on people who follow torrents

03:39:09 mircea_popescu: i mean, the peasantariat of china, ok.

03:39:24 mircea_popescu: it hinders the least effort, bs approach of the ustarded "media", ok

03:39:26 asciilifeform: it works on moo

03:39:31 mircea_popescu: but how's this supposed to work.

03:39:35 mircea_popescu: well moo's not on trackers

03:39:49 asciilifeform: 'omg111111 allthetorrentsareinoneplace.com is down!!111'

03:40:51 mircea_popescu: you know, the one red thread here is, a certain mental pattern of the imbecile. "hearn spoke TO BANKS" says the idiot who, after asking two awkward hermit females and a distant relative, gladly reports "i asked WOMEN".

03:40:58 mircea_popescu: so then "this is the website of torrents!"

03:41:09 mircea_popescu: because hey, "this is place of work" and "this is paycheck" and "this is life"

03:42:23 mircea_popescu: he's the same sort of idiot who parks in the nuclear core twice, ~~~discovers~~~ "nothing happened" and announces there's a conspiracy re nuclear cores to make proles believe they're bad for you when really NOTHNING HAPPENS

03:42:28 mircea_popescu: he's tried twice!

03:43:01 mircea_popescu: makes me think of the argentines a lot. this very speciffic "wool pulled deeply over eyes" going through things.

03:43:01 asciilifeform: 1,2,3,maxint

03:43:48 mircea_popescu: pretty much. a deeply seated, apparently deliberate but certainly defiant opposition to data integrity.

03:43:56 mircea_popescu: the meaningless-er the better-er!

03:44:30 asciilifeform: anyway the situation with ru torrent bans, prosecutions of the great b00kw4r3z libraries (yes) etc. is that the copyrasts latched onto putin's 'dictatorship of the law' thing of the past decade to try to have their 'rights'

03:44:58 asciilifeform: which, unknown to most western folks, include outrages like privatization of classic sov. works incl. children's items which are still ubiquitous, etc

03:45:16 asciilifeform: and the public at large is largely laughing its collective arse off

03:45:21 mircea_popescu: not so smart.

03:46:52 asciilifeform: can't fault their logic though - if privatization of the rest of the shebang (from petro to fish) slid by without mass guillotinings, why not this.

03:47:56 asciilifeform: and given as the thread holding these folks together is the particular odd notion that books, films, are entirely like petro & fish - unsurprising

04:02:10 asciilifeform: in other 'news', sov era 2kB EPROMs have been regularly selling for 5 bux or so each. SOMEBODY's buying.

04:02:20 asciilifeform: and there are NOT 5bux of au in there.

04:04:23 phf: perhaps to mount on a wall, framed retro style?

04:04:30 *: asciilifeform walked 'ebay' and similar and concluded that it is quite feasible to build whole computer, and in fact run a conveyor, out of nothing post-1990 and nothing west of bulgaria

04:06:54 asciilifeform: phf: it is not uncommon for the listings to feature a link to a modern scan of the data sheet

04:06:58 asciilifeform: so prolly not for wall hangings...

04:07:18 asciilifeform: they get plugged in.

04:08:49 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/11/supporting-evidence.html << spiffy orlol

04:08:50 assbot: ClubOrlov: Supporting Evidence ... ( http://bit.ly/1HDXgfm )

04:09:14 asciilifeform: 'A number of readers ran straight for the ?conspiracy theory? rabbit hole. ?Conspiracy theory? is strictly a term of abuse invented by the enemies of free speech and used to try to invalidate narratives that are not officially sanctioned by the L?genpresse (the lying press). This term fails to signify anything beyond the fact that those who use it need to be taken out to the woodshed.' << with new, shiny, teutonic fla

04:09:15 asciilifeform: vour !

04:10:14 asciilifeform: 'Hundreds of Magdeburg citizens affiliated on a Facebook group with the goal of creating a militia. In Barleben, according to an report by the ?Volksstimme,? a milita was already formed and patrols the village. Around 70 citizens want to secure their village.'

04:10:40 asciilifeform: 'Austrian Army Major: ?I was at the border today: It's a war!? ?21 October 2015: Today is the blackest day of my life. At 11:30 I had to witness with my own eyes how around 5,000 men, all of them young and very fit, breached the Austrian border at Spielfeld, completely unopposed and unchecked.?'

04:29:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4786 @ 0.00055192 = 2.6415 BTC [-] {2}

04:33:14 mircea_popescu: imo conspiracy theorism is a discrete pathology. now, that derps run off with it... sure, they run off with everything.

04:33:31 mircea_popescu: but in any case, "rabbit hole" is misused in that context.

04:56:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3414 @ 0.00055042 = 1.8791 BTC [-]

04:57:52 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what kind of os would one run on that kind of hardware? old 'nixy' things?

05:09:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00056175 = 13.1169 BTC [+] {3}

05:18:27 phf: perhaps http://retrodeluxe-msx.org, https://github.com/EtchedPixels/FUZIX alan cox thing, unix that targets z80, builds with pcc

05:18:29 assbot: EtchedPixels/FUZIX · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/20IFRhf )

05:25:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3967 @ 0.00055444 = 2.1995 BTC [-] {2}

05:28:47 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2014#675702 << deserves tacking on of https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/28/373 and https://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/28/375 re: alan cox

05:28:47 assbot: Logged on 15-05-2014 00:24:14; mircea_popescu: in which alan cox fucks up the pty.

05:28:50 assbot: LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [PATCH] kdesu broken ... ( http://bit.ly/20IGXcT )

05:28:50 assbot: LKML: Alan Cox: Re: [PATCH] kdesu broken ... ( http://bit.ly/20IGXcV )

05:36:03 ben_vulpes: today i learned that one can else in a for in python

05:36:06 ben_vulpes: what the shit

05:38:27 phf: it's a pretty useful behavior

05:39:56 ben_vulpes: oh i get it now.

05:40:37 phf: like for example, for stuff in things: if right(stuff): break; else: error("can't get the right stuff")

05:41:29 ben_vulpes: but that's inside out!

05:41:34 phf: i think typical refactoring done elsewhere is to put the whole for loop into a small function, replace break with return and then assume that any escape out of loop is an error

05:42:41 phf: or rather an escape out of loop means that nothing was found and the alternative should be taken

05:44:19 phf: otherwise you need to do foo=NULL; for(...) {...}; if(!foo) { ... }

05:44:21 ben_vulpes: looks like ad hoc implementation of common use cases with arbitrary language features to me, but i've also spent a bit of time with the loop macro lately

05:44:29 phf: but then you potential run into sentinel issue

05:46:11 ben_vulpes: i just discovered named loops and returning from inner loops to arbitrary outer loops and am just startled at this particular codification of the pattern.

05:46:51 ben_vulpes: it's an interesting gem demonstrating how the design of a language determines how people think about solving problems in it.

05:47:50 ben_vulpes: related: mod6 and asciilifeform's v implementations.

05:51:16 phf: named loops in common lisp? i don't actually know the feature

05:51:51 phf: but speaking of v.pl, lines 92-102, is precisely that pattern

05:52:29 ben_vulpes: yeah, using variables.

05:52:37 ben_vulpes: the else thing just threw me.

05:53:24 ben_vulpes: (loop named foo ... (loop named bar ... (return-from foo thinger))

05:55:13 phf: in fact in v's case $verified serves no other purpose, but to do the whole for:else:

05:55:36 ben_vulpes: exactly.

05:57:01 phf: oh yeah, re lisp, i've not had a chance to use it, but i'm pretty sure i have a bunch of code that does (loop .. do (catch :foo ... (loop ... (throw :foo ...)))

05:57:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9807 @ 0.00054864 = 5.3805 BTC [-] {2}

05:57:39 phf: probably can be cleaned up, but where's that catch being interpolated when you do (loop named foo...)

05:57:51 ben_vulpes: interpolated?

05:58:22 phf: placed in the form that's the result of macro expansion of loop

05:59:18 phf: oh, it's placed around, so (loop named foo ...) == (block foo (loop ...))

06:01:52 phf: ok, on this incoherent note, i'm going to sleep

06:02:00 ben_vulpes: ah, blocks under the hood

06:02:07 ben_vulpes: i've not touched blocks yet.

06:02:37 phf: ben_vulpes: yeah, you can do macroexpand on loop to see what's going on underneath, though it's probably least readable macroexpansion

07:12:26 punkman: bon dia

07:19:51 punkman: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/release/archive/2015/one-degree

07:19:52 assbot: Global temperatures set to reach 1 °C marker for first time - Met Office ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTw97M )

07:22:01 punkman: https://news.artnet.com/people/pyotr-pavlensky-fire-russian-security-headquarters-358952

07:22:03 assbot: Artist Sets Fire to Russian Security Headquarters - artnet News ... ( http://bit.ly/1iPNX5s )

08:01:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25375 @ 0.00054816 = 13.9096 BTC [-] {2}

09:10:27 shinohai: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/09/sean-parker-social-media-facebook <<< also the Sun is hot. More at Eleven.

09:10:28 assbot: Sean Parker on tech industry's 'tricks': 'Social media feeds our narcissism' | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBdOfL )

09:12:17 punkman: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance-disturbing-truth travel by boat an increasingly attractive proposition

09:12:17 assbot: The Disturbing Truth About How Airplanes Are Maintained Today | Vanity Fair ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBdZry )

09:14:27 shinohai: Perhaps there are equally disturbing truths concerning boat maintenance somewhere.

09:31:06 BingoBoingo: Overheated, core breach https://archive.is/LM8SF

09:31:07 assbot: Missouri protesters force media out of “safe space” quad. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBfVjM )

10:07:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8249 @ 0.00054804 = 4.5208 BTC [-]

11:16:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00054804 = 3.7541 BTC [-]

12:31:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00054804 = 4.8228 BTC [-]

13:29:21 punkman: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/czur-scanner-build-your-own-digital-library

13:29:23 assbot: Czur scanner : build your own digital library | Indiegogo ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mxt6jw )

13:30:16 copypaste: Cool, an affordable book scanner

13:30:52 copypaste: I've seen current professional book scanners, they are huge and cost $10K USD minimum

13:31:24 copypaste: Oh, actually, it's not that impressive.

13:31:58 copypaste: I thought it had all the moving parts of a pro one; automatic page turning and so on

13:33:38 punkman: page turning is tricky indeed

13:35:03 copypaste: punkman: http://www.amazon.com/Fujitsu-PA03641-B005-Document-Scanner/dp/B00FPW9946

13:35:05 assbot: Amazon.com: Fujitsu PA03641-B005 Document Scanner: Electronics ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mxu13k )

13:35:09 copypaste: color me unimpressed

13:35:40 copypaste: this Fujitsu product has been out a year already, and since it's not a KickStarter there's actually a chance of getting what you ppaid for ;)

13:35:51 punkman: yeah this design seems nice for quick document scanning

13:36:56 punkman: the foot pedal seems like a nice touch on the Czur

13:39:33 copypaste: And here is a pro book scanner like Google would use for their Books service https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdipuAuWsEs

13:39:34 assbot: ScanRobot 2.0 MDS: Scanning very thick books up to 15 cm (6 inch) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxuN0h )

13:39:47 copypaste: i doubt they needed that much money just to make a foot pedal

13:40:20 copypaste: I am again thoroughly convinced that KickStarter is nothing more than a platform for clueless derps to make money on even more clueless derps

13:42:10 copypaste: well, maybe it's a good thing for Communist countries. It gives people something to do.

13:42:18 copypaste: "Your job is to turn pages and press a red button."

13:42:22 copypaste: "Da"

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14:07:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00054875 = 4.9936 BTC [+]

14:27:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25407 @ 0.00054656 = 13.8864 BTC [-] {3}

15:09:58 thestringpuller: anyone in china that can do me a solid?

15:12:57 jurov: a what?

15:14:45 *: shinohai actually wishes he was in China.

15:27:49 thestringpuller: "BitPay and Coinbase are forward-thinking companies." My lulz for the day are complete.

15:28:56 punkman: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/10745009/The-desperate-tactics-being-used-to-avoid-inheritance-tax.html

15:28:57 assbot: The desperate tactics being used to avoid inheritance tax - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1kmUMNC )

15:29:16 punkman: "A wealthy, elderly man, for example, could technically marry the father of his daughter’s children. This would enable an estate of any size to pass tax-free into the next generation on the older man’s death. After his elderly “husband” had died, of course, the younger man would be free to marry the daughter, with the estate thus secured intact."

15:44:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321203 << a unix or any other multitask os, on an 8-bit box with no mmu, running at a few MHz - would be a sad joke

15:44:03 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 04:57:52; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what kind of os would one run on that kind of hardware? old 'nixy' things?

15:44:10 asciilifeform: (though yes, it is physically possible)

15:44:30 asciilifeform: so no, this would not be your pc, it would be a machine with a specific purpose

15:44:51 asciilifeform: ideally, a purpose that fit into 64kB of z80.

15:45:47 asciilifeform: (and i anticipate that somebody will mention bank switching. ahahaha. tricks like that demolish the already unenviable performance of such a box)

15:47:11 asciilifeform: so, a 'soviet' comp built in 2015 would have to have a very specific purpose in life. e.g., xoring serial stream with a onetimepad stored on magnetic tape, or the like.

15:48:42 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321246 << can't wait for the 'hyooooooman rightz!!!!111' nato bootlicks to help this fella emigrate to usa and practice his fascinating 'art' in washington.

15:48:42 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 07:22:01; punkman: https://news.artnet.com/people/pyotr-pavlensky-fire-russian-security-headquarters-358952

15:49:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321262 << and they don't flip pages, either

15:49:29 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 13:30:52; copypaste: I've seen current professional book scanners, they are huge and cost $10K USD minimum

15:49:47 asciilifeform: at least not the $15k one i used some years ago

15:50:18 asciilifeform: today i use a tripod and ordinary digital cam, similar to how old-time spies used 'minox'

15:50:20 asciilifeform: it works fine.

15:51:11 asciilifeform: scanning books is very tedious work, but it is important to remember that:

15:51:19 asciilifeform: 1) there are NOT so many books worth keeping!

15:51:21 asciilifeform: and

15:51:29 asciilifeform: 2) NOBODY ought to have to do this twice

15:51:56 asciilifeform: which is why a proper w4r3z infrastructure is essential. folks will scan if they have some notion that the result will be taken up and live.

15:52:27 asciilifeform: for completeness, and because mircea_popescu is asleep, i will mention the third,

15:52:55 asciilifeform: 3) could always just decide that books are for the birds, and that the congo is an acceptable standard of civilization.

15:53:37 asciilifeform: 3 comes with risks though.

15:54:53 thestringpuller: i choose 3

15:55:43 thestringpuller: so BIP-65 adoption may kill XT if it's not merged in

15:55:59 thestringpuller: since BIP-65 and BIP-101 are incompatible in practice

16:00:14 mircea_popescu: say my name say my name

16:00:16 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQgd6MccwZc

16:00:17 assbot: Destiny's Child - Say My Name (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1kmXJhd )

16:02:40 thestringpuller: today i learned that mircea_popescu listens to destiny's child

16:02:58 thestringpuller: yesterday I learned what he looked like as a child

16:03:02 thestringpuller: i wonder what I'll learn tomorrow

16:03:43 *: jurov googled bip-65 , first cam giihub, second one qntra. wd!

16:04:22 mircea_popescu: i wonder what the libtards will do when they discover the machines actually like their enemies much better than them

16:06:45 thestringpuller: iirc from terminator that's when we start time traveling?

16:17:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21252 @ 0.0005509 = 11.7077 BTC [+] {5}

16:21:29 mircea_popescu: heh

16:22:41 punkman: https://twitter.com/jvaleski/status/663870880448012288

16:24:02 punkman: in other news https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTdlU35U8AEGGI4.jpg:large

16:24:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ5sMH )

16:25:28 mircea_popescu: sweet.

16:32:47 mircea_popescu: who the hell is she ? i have this unshakable impression of knowing the girl

16:33:18 punkman: remy lacroix, she gets around

16:33:26 mircea_popescu: oh right

16:52:31 asciilifeform: recent wash., d.c. lulz for mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/GratyXB.jpg , http://i.imgur.com/2zAYWDJ.jpg

16:52:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuR9iw )

16:52:33 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuR9iE )

16:59:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, recall the indian kid ? with an idea ? for an app ?

16:59:24 asciilifeform: can't say that i do..

16:59:38 asciilifeform: and doesn't every indian kid 'have idea for app'

16:59:44 mircea_popescu: o was such a great thread. lemme fish it out.

17:00:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://fraudsters.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/ << log link y compris.

17:00:28 assbot: "You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong." on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLBmfH )

17:10:30 asciilifeform: the 2nd photo is even lulzier

17:10:43 asciilifeform: so much braindamage packed into one ad

17:11:08 mircea_popescu: why ?

17:12:08 asciilifeform: 'each gift helps outfit a woman for her interview'

17:13:09 asciilifeform: sorta implies that there is this silent mass of downtrodden mill gurlz or somesuch who could have the coveted american dream (tm) Respectable Job, if only she could afford a new skirt...

17:14:06 mircea_popescu: nah

17:14:12 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the ring works.

17:14:16 asciilifeform: and that the moneyed ladies who buy ersatz chocolate in a train station for the cost of its weight in plutonium, ought to pay for this

17:14:36 mircea_popescu: it's not a practical matter. it's that if you give a woman a token she can fix her grip on, she'll be less anxious and more confident

17:14:42 asciilifeform: which ring? the 'one ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind'em' ?

17:14:45 mircea_popescu: think baby in bath situation. needs your finger! FOR BALANCE!!1

17:16:38 mircea_popescu: so, give her this supervaluable unique important trinket that can focus the love and good will of the community for her.

17:17:02 mircea_popescu: it's there in mythology as well, for the 50% of the heroic population that's battling cunted demons in their head.

17:20:48 asciilifeform: baby in the bath wants finger, but won't grab the faucet - how does the charity thing work

17:20:59 asciilifeform: where is the 'human element' or whatnot

17:21:25 asciilifeform: or do i just lack the necessary lsd here.

17:22:53 mircea_popescu: you don't see how the charity aspect actually strengthens it ?

17:23:05 mircea_popescu: "he doesn't love me, he just likes my tits, doesn't count."

17:23:06 asciilifeform: precisely

17:23:13 mircea_popescu: "these people don't even know me! IT MUST BE FOR THE REAL ME"

17:23:25 asciilifeform: ah, and the charity 'could not possibly like my tits,' ergo - genuine ..?

17:23:40 mircea_popescu: which, in the kind of the sort of woman that doesn't even own her own suit, is precisely how it goes. "real me = motherhood" or some bs.

17:23:48 asciilifeform: 'it must be ~ME~!111!, couldn't possibly be my mass in pork !'

17:24:13 mircea_popescu: aha.

17:24:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, the 2nd add is very well done, i wouldn't negrate the author

17:24:30 mircea_popescu: even tho they're an advertiser.

17:26:18 jurov: http://echtlustig.com/6429/weltneuheut--der-schnurlose-duschkopf lmao

17:26:19 assbot: Weltneuheut - Der schnurlose Duschkopf | echtlustig.com - Lustige Bilder, Lustige Videos und Picdumps die dich zum Lachen bringen ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAkGJ7 )

17:26:52 asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CS9akt-WUAA8LZU.mp4

17:26:53 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAkOs3 )

17:28:39 mircea_popescu: (the above is, incidentally, the whole reason and rationale of the diamond ring, and the fact this point is never made in oh-so-edgy and libertarded discussions of the habit plainly indicates for me just how much of women do the incels in question understand, and what miserable family heads they;'d make.

17:29:07 mircea_popescu: not yet old enough to own his own goat, something pashtun kid passed with flying colors age 11. but hey, maybe "we" "need" to spend more on "education". clearly it's been doing wonders for them.)

17:29:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, bbl.

17:31:29 shinohai: https://wiki.peercointalk.org/index.php?title=Peercoin_blockchain_fork_of_2015-11-09 <<< kek

17:31:30 assbot: Peercoin blockchain fork of 2015-11-09 - Peercoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1PAlA8q )

17:32:38 jurov: btw, bitmonero is going to hardfork, too

17:42:30 funkenstein_: is that a repeat of the block 168000 fork?

17:51:36 funkenstein_: maybe not exactly the same but appears to also be related to dynamic linking to whatever happens to be there in openSSL

19:18:09 shinohai: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/10/us-hacking-indictment-idUSKCN0SZ1VM20151110

19:18:09 assbot: U.S. charges three in huge cyberfraud targeting JPMorgan, others | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1knkrpx )

19:20:12 asciilifeform: preeeet!

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20:16:12 BingoBoingo: <copypaste> I thought it had all the moving parts of a pro one; automatic page turning and so on << Faster still is cutting the spine off of book and using sheet fed scanner

20:16:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: generally, the books for which this option is attractive are ~already~ on warez

20:17:33 asciilifeform: and otherwise you're nuking something worth 300-500 usd

20:17:38 asciilifeform: (depending on the b00k)

20:18:33 BingoBoingo: Also for that purpose get the trade paperback of the book.

20:18:48 asciilifeform: again those tend to be findable in clean scan ALREADY

20:19:05 asciilifeform: and/or being pablum that isn't worth scanning to begin with

20:19:14 BingoBoingo: Page numbering gets fucked in mass market paperback

20:19:43 asciilifeform: (if nobody scans '50 shades of shit' or whatnot - it'll be a ~better~ future)

20:21:15 BingoBoingo: <jurov> btw, bitmonero is going to hardfork, too << Up to twice a year

20:21:31 jurov: rly? lol

20:21:32 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: that's pretty ingenius. going to tell people that next time someone asks me how to "scan a book"

20:22:00 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: generally, the books for which this option is attractive are ~already~ on warez << Sure

20:22:38 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and otherwise you're nuking something worth 300-500 usd << For this you want a sewn hardcover to unsew, or a page flipping monkey

20:23:04 BingoBoingo: jurov: Yeah, It's what got MP disinterested

20:26:08 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> again those tend to be findable in clean scan ALREADY << But yes, reason these are available in clean scan is exactly not fancy "book scannzors" but likely sensible people who know to lop the spine off and just do the sheetfed thing.

20:56:02 BingoBoingo: for mircea_popescu http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/covlin-attempted-marry-teen-daughter-prosecutors-article-1.2428476

20:56:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y2Uhql )

21:08:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually not a single one of my ru scans looks like the result of cutting spine & sheetfed

21:08:54 asciilifeform: i suspect that partly it is a cultural thing

21:09:17 asciilifeform: but partly that you don't nuke something that nobody will be making any more of, and which you ~like having~ enough to want to go through the bother of a scan

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22:04:18 thestringpuller: so for now one buy 2 copies of everything

22:04:24 thestringpuller: one to gut one for collecting

22:06:03 mircea_popescu: wait why for me ?

22:09:25 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321251 << in honesty i never quite understood the "scrap boats" thing in the 30s/40s. or rather, why in the 50s they didn't fix it.

22:09:25 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 09:12:17; punkman: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/airplane-maintenance-disturbing-truth travel by boat an increasingly attractive proposition

22:09:41 mircea_popescu: ok, so via plane you get there faster. whatever. what if you're not the sort of infantile imbecile that has to get places fast ?

22:10:03 mircea_popescu: what if what's important is to get there with three women and a library in woprking order, while having your evening port in comfort ?

22:10:11 BingoBoingo: Boat can have problems too

22:10:47 mircea_popescu: sure. but on the speed/size continuum all choices are arbitrary. you don't don a spacesuit to be shot to new york.

22:10:59 mircea_popescu: maybe i want to travel in no less than 1k sqft.

22:12:12 BingoBoingo: ;;google edmund fitzgerald

22:12:12 gribble: S.S. Edmund Fitzgerald Online: http://www.ssedmundfitzgerald.org/; SS Edmund Fitzgerald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald; 40 years ago, the 'Witch of November' sank the Edmund Fitzgerald: http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/11/09/edmund-fitzgerald-wreck-gordon-lightfoot-witch-of-november/75453176/

22:12:31 mircea_popescu: "In a truly weird turn, the Mizzou story now seems to have rotated into a battle between activists and another Mizzou institution: the media."

22:12:38 mircea_popescu: lmao, the media is "a mizzou institution" ?

22:12:42 mircea_popescu: the media's everyone's enemy, doh.

22:12:48 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321411 << now we know why atomic dirigible !!

22:12:48 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:09:41; mircea_popescu: ok, so via plane you get there faster. whatever. what if you're not the sort of infantile imbecile that has to get places fast ?

22:13:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you understand how every urgency is the result of bad design, right ?

22:13:16 mircea_popescu: the person who's always in a rush is simply stupid by another name.,

22:13:27 asciilifeform: or slave

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22:13:48 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao, the media is "a mizzou institution" ? << "Top Journalism School"(TM)(R)

22:14:31 BingoBoingo: The j-school's building is probably in the best location on campus

22:14:46 mircea_popescu: heh

22:15:04 mircea_popescu: see, libtard camp falling over itself on the score of "who shall profit from this event".

22:15:36 BingoBoingo: Seriously

22:15:53 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321275 << no, that's "america".

22:15:53 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 13:40:20; copypaste: I am again thoroughly convinced that KickStarter is nothing more than a platform for clueless derps to make money on even more clueless derps

22:16:33 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321288 << word.

22:16:33 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 15:29:16; punkman: "A wealthy, elderly man, for example, could technically marry the father of his daughter’s children. This would enable an estate of any size to pass tax-free into the next generation on the older man’s death. After his elderly “husband” had died, of course, the younger man would be free to marry the daughter, with the estate thus secured intact."

22:16:48 mircea_popescu: the consequences of the derps "revolutionizing" things are always this one and the same.

22:17:18 mircea_popescu: not "technically" and not "desperate". the word is "in yo' face, foos!" and "you are poor for a reason, and that reason is you suck."

22:20:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2015#1321306 << books, not even once.

22:20:16 assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 15:51:29; asciilifeform: 2) NOBODY ought to have to do this twice

22:20:21 mircea_popescu: they shouldn't have been fucking books in the first place.

22:20:28 mircea_popescu: dumbass process from hell. write a blog already.

22:21:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like it or not, just about everything worth knowing at present is ONLY on dead tree

22:21:36 asciilifeform: not even in a live head anywhere.

22:21:51 asciilifeform: sorta like it's the year 1000 again.

22:22:19 jurov: ;;ticker

22:22:20 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 335.0, Best ask: 335.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 335.0, 24 hour volume: 77100.43220391, 24 hour low: 330.51, 24 hour high: 384.44, 24 hour vwap: None

22:23:58 *: mircea_popescu is in principle opposed to scanning books for the same reason he was against the "preservation of historical buidlings" in http://fraudsters.com/2009/el-ingenioso-hidalgo-don-quijote-de-la-mancha-si-conul-andrei-pippidi/ (and summarized in http://fraudsters.com/2009/n-am-putea-sa-avem-si-noi/#selection-49.186-53.326 )

22:23:59 assbot: El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha si conul Andrei Pippidi. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1iSqaln )

22:24:00 assbot: N-am putea sa avem si noi on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1iSqalr )

22:24:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could wait 10,000 years for it all to get rediscovered but IT'S GONNA END UP IN BOOKS AGAIN

22:24:43 asciilifeform: forfuckssake

22:25:29 mircea_popescu: ie, there, "it's not the job of the state to protect the cultural patrimony OF INDIVIDUALS and their clans ; if those individuals and clans are so degenerate, bankrupt and chlorotioc as to no longer be able to protect their heritage, let the worms havce it. no, not even for comunist metaphisics ; no, the property of x isn't "ours", no x's history isn't "ours". let them uphold it or let it die.

22:25:40 mircea_popescu: same exact fucking thing with the books : they belong to a defeated people.

22:25:44 mircea_popescu: either retel the

22:25:56 mircea_popescu: either retell the books you care about or let them die.

22:28:03 phf: après nous le déluge

22:28:09 mircea_popescu: no.

22:28:16 mircea_popescu: they lost. i didn't tell them to lose. they did it all on their own.

22:28:29 mircea_popescu: unless they come back out from the graves and make books matter again, they get burried with them.

22:29:00 mircea_popescu: i'm not scanning fucking accra idols, either. i piss on them instead. they make fine urinals, for a very good reason.

22:29:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu sees no difference between, e.g., galois algebra, and an idiot idol ?

22:29:36 mircea_popescu: is it in a book ?

22:29:41 mircea_popescu: if it's in the logs it gets to live.

22:29:51 mircea_popescu: if it's not in the log, the difference is not there.

22:30:00 asciilifeform: it isn't in the log until it is.

22:30:12 mircea_popescu: so put it in there. but mind what i said : RETELL.

22:30:21 mircea_popescu: this is important. the defeated tribe does not get to live on through "scanning".

22:30:28 asciilifeform: i can retell galois or i can $work.

22:30:34 mircea_popescu: they get culturally absorbed. the price is complete and total loss of identity.

22:30:47 mircea_popescu: like women marry. no rights for the people of books.

22:30:59 asciilifeform: btw ru did this when it swallowed europe's maths & eng.

22:31:02 mircea_popescu: right ?

22:31:06 mircea_popescu: and look how well it worked.

22:31:21 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "america" (the ideal construct, that never really existed) SCANNED the fucking europe books.

22:31:21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, i betcha you learned 'ostrogradsky's' and not 'gauss's' theorem.

22:31:26 mircea_popescu: look where it's now.

22:31:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it was gauss'. the romanians sat omn the sidelines poking fun at the russians.

22:31:46 asciilifeform: then only because of this.

22:31:51 mircea_popescu: yea.

22:32:38 mircea_popescu: kinda why/how that "ustards keep rebranding things" article came about. the comment in the house of mp was "check these idiots out, like the second coming of some castrated soviets"

22:42:37 funkenstein_: hardcopy can survive a generation of nobody giving a shit.

22:42:56 mircea_popescu: it can't survive this.

22:43:32 mircea_popescu: it is culturally irrelevant now, because i expect my text searchable and my lines logged and indexed and so forth.

22:43:37 mircea_popescu: there's no way for books to compete with the log.

22:44:04 funkenstein_: as long as there are people of means archiving the log, i agree

22:44:22 mircea_popescu: this is not a valid precondition

22:44:28 mircea_popescu: as it's the precondition to culture in general.

22:44:35 mircea_popescu: if there aren't, books aren't gonna MAKE THEM

22:44:39 asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> it can't survive this. << this is demonstrably false.

22:44:42 mircea_popescu: the us experience again is informative.

22:44:52 funkenstein_: look at e.g. greek classics.. would be lost without hard copies in arabic

22:44:59 asciilifeform: i personally picked up too many of these to list. and they will live for at least as long as i do.

22:45:07 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ill be sure to recall this if we dispute computers in the future :)

22:45:16 mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ they ARE lost.

22:45:34 funkenstein_: ouch

22:45:48 asciilifeform: i dug balanced ternary system out of FUCKING BOOKZ

22:45:57 asciilifeform: and could have otherwise spent my whole life rediscovering it

22:46:09 mircea_popescu: good for you, asciilifeform

22:46:12 mircea_popescu: good for YOU.

22:46:20 asciilifeform: so this is all batshit. if i need islam i know where to find it

22:46:34 mircea_popescu: i dug whatever, the giving tree out of a book too.

22:46:39 mircea_popescu: it sucked as i found it.

22:47:08 mircea_popescu: and im not linking to the book. because, elementary, can't. because IT is fucking islam.

22:48:50 mircea_popescu: (i lie, i never read the actual book, it was online or it wouldn't have existed.)

22:49:32 phf: is the idea that ascii can read book, or whatever, can even give me copy to read, or whatever, but ultimately there's not going to be library of b-a, because only relevant knowledge is whatever ascii or i (in this example) say in the logs, how we got there is our own business?

22:49:44 mircea_popescu: pretty much.

22:50:17 mircea_popescu: to put it another way, if you think the SCANNING is time consuming you have nfi.

22:50:38 phf: right

22:50:46 asciilifeform: the translation, reading, GROKKING, etc. are very time consuming. i expect to spend most of my life on it.

22:50:51 asciilifeform: but none of it can happen without the scanz!

22:50:58 mircea_popescu: i expect you to be happy that your life ends before it.

22:51:02 mircea_popescu: because... srsly, think about it.

22:54:24 asciilifeform: not having to rederive, e.g., motherfucking group theory, is ~how we actually advance~. not because better classes of human were dropped down from the sky each generation, no. (quite opposite, afaik)

22:54:57 jurov: yes, should we recreate everything out of orally handed first principles?

22:55:12 mircea_popescu: not a matter of should. that's reallty all you got.

22:55:42 mircea_popescu: not like anyone invented a substitute for actually re-derivign the whole group theory IN YOUR HEAD as part of "grokking" it.

22:56:03 mircea_popescu: what barbarian apostasy is this, the talisman of book ?

22:56:03 jurov: and burning the books helps how?

22:56:09 asciilifeform: ^

22:56:22 mircea_popescu: i only burned a coupla!

22:56:43 mircea_popescu: and also they were not very good.

22:58:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: talisman of the parachute. it's old, rat-eaten, and has ДОСААФ 1966 printed on it, but ~it's the one you're wearing~ while falling. and you can try to make a new one out of your underwear before you splat, or use that one.

22:58:28 phf: well, it's very medieval idea (without the negative connotation) or reminiscent of samizdat culture. scans only come when someone asks for a scan, rather then the other way around, i.e. "archiving initiatives"

22:58:59 mircea_popescu: do i look like i'm falling to you ?

22:59:17 asciilifeform: no but only because 'i'm ok to ride a horse'

22:59:30 mircea_popescu: what more could there be ?

23:00:40 asciilifeform: i mean, this ~is~ a self-consistent thing. pashtun needs galois like a dog needs beets.

23:01:00 mircea_popescu: do you need all the ars longa you don't currently have ?

23:01:04 asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu for some reason is not moving to afghan, has not sold his computer, bought moar horse ?

23:01:29 asciilifeform: actually yes

23:01:33 mircea_popescu: aha.

23:01:44 mircea_popescu: relax, alfie. you got plenty of time.

23:01:47 asciilifeform: i'ma need electron beam lithography, for instance.

23:01:58 asciilifeform: and possibly a bit of else.

23:02:01 *: funkenstein_ once had pictures of dog eating beets. Sadly they were never put on paper so lost after a decade or so.

23:02:59 asciilifeform: phf: at no point did i ever propose 'scan everything'

23:03:13 asciilifeform: that'd be the braindamaged pack rat approach, and yes, it has adherents

23:03:45 mircea_popescu: loot the tombs at your leisure.

23:03:57 mircea_popescu: just for as long as you understand they're tombs. you don't belong there.

23:04:04 asciilifeform: exactly what i was suggesting re: the scanz.

23:04:08 mircea_popescu: what's that great quote...

23:05:01 asciilifeform: and i think i might have once described how maths is to work should a sane computer ever be constructed

23:05:06 asciilifeform: (as a demonstrable moving part of the edifice)

23:05:18 asciilifeform: somewhere, in the logz

23:05:20 mircea_popescu: "My companion drew in the dank, cold air of the Tomb. It seemed to... strengthen him. I stood in the doorway between Light and Dark. What was left of my sanity implored me not to enter. But that voice... was just a whisper now. As we worked our way down, deeper and deeper into the Crypt, I began to see a change in my companion. He seemed to be gaining strength. I could hardly see in the gloom, but my companion seemed t

23:05:20 mircea_popescu: o know the way. We came at last to a great hall... It was then I realized my companion hadn't been gaining strength. He had been losing what was left of his humanity."

23:06:11 mircea_popescu: damn the dumbass "humanity" all to hell.

23:06:35 *: mircea_popescu , perfectly willing to wipe books altogether to get rid of rousseau & friendz.

23:08:18 mircea_popescu: or in other words, books, much like plutonium, are liable to make your stupid and your offspring monstruous. handle with care.

23:09:23 asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu have anti-rousseau spray to apply to prevent relapse ?

23:09:28 mircea_popescu: mno.

23:09:43 mircea_popescu: i read somewhere it can't be had.

23:09:46 asciilifeform: this also is sorta what the books are for.

23:09:51 mircea_popescu: mno.

23:10:13 mircea_popescu: not unless you mean "cancer is also what people are for"

23:12:05 phf: asciilifeform: right, i'm not arguing your original statement, just trying to understand this part of thread. if i wanted to grok electrodynamics, can get scan, or easier to just walk to friend and get landau of the shelf. doesn't matter that he has millions of other books, or that there's an archive of book scans somewhere. mp's point seems to be that the activity should be treated as tomb raiding either way, rather then "i have a

23:12:05 phf: library, therefore"

23:12:34 asciilifeform: phf: everybody and his mother has a copy of landau

23:12:47 asciilifeform: but many of my own explorations are powered by relatively obscure works

23:12:50 mircea_popescu: i just don't want the easy mistake be made where the stupidity of the children of books today is ascribed to non-bookdom.

23:12:59 mircea_popescu: it is UPON THE BOOKS. they, chiefly, mostly, did this.

23:13:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3 y.o. finds an uzi, sprays. not the machine's fault

23:13:30 asciilifeform: it's an excellent leadthrower

23:15:28 asciilifeform: the other thing is that, at least from my perch, nowhere are there symptoms that the folks pushing rousseauism actually read the bloody book

23:15:45 asciilifeform: idiots are perfectly able to propagate their cults without the verbatim text

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23:43:13 punkman: asciilifeform: that'd be the braindamaged pack rat approach, and yes, it has adherents << dunno, I like archive.org

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23:51:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu mazdak, quite possibly, was 'rousseau' long before rousseau. what bookz do we blame him on ?

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23:52:39 asciilifeform: unless i catastrophically misread this thread, it is almost as if mircea_popescu thought that stupidity were a ~technology~ that we'd be happily without if only some malefactor had not carefully developed it, and dropped on us, like a nuke

23:55:43 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Tag Heuer is more $1500 than 10 k price range

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