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00:01:10 *: EPiSKiNG- rejoices

00:01:28 EPiSKiNG-: ;;ident

00:01:28 gribble: Nick 'EPiSKiNG-', with hostmask 'EPiSKiNG-!~EPiSKiNG-@unaffiliated/episking', is identified as user 'EPiSKiNG-', with GPG key id 721730127CD7574D, key fingerprint EBFC267F8F10EFD1FB84854D721730127CD7574D, and bitcoin address 1EPiSKiNG139bzcwTm8rxMFNfFFdanLW5K

00:06:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60258 @ 0.0005088 = 30.6593 BTC [+] {2}

00:07:23 undata: +asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: most u.s. subjects don't have an obvious rational action to follow the awakening of 'aha so i'm living in a zoo run by demented vivisectionists, now i need to...' << make money and gtfo in my case

00:08:39 undata: or hell, loot the nearest shoe store for some nikes if that's all you can muster

00:10:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1650 @ 0.00120998 = 1.9965 BTC [-] {8}

00:13:04 undata: seems to me that there are two circumstances to avoid: 1) being crunched under the US gov's ever-increasing bureaucratic mass 2) the skullfucking that is due to the US when there's an entity powerful enough to perform it

00:17:36 nubbins`: seems to me there's not a whole lot you can do to avoid either

00:18:32 undata: I can; as for the rest, natural selection's a bitch

00:19:14 nubbins`: !up EPiSKiNG-

00:19:27 nubbins`: not sure it's natural selection

00:20:15 undata: how is govt any less natural a hazard?

00:43:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00050647 = 15.1435 BTC [-]

00:49:37 asciilifeform: undata: 'gtfo' from u.s.-centric international monetary system costs considerably more than an airplane ticket.

00:50:11 undata: asciilifeform: I just want somewhere to sit and watch the bonfire

00:50:19 asciilifeform: undata: i haven't the faintest clue about where you went (or will go) but most u.s. expats may as well be living back home, where they are.

00:50:24 asciilifeform: in terms of dependence

00:50:45 undata: maybe so, but I'd rather have something to struggle towards

00:51:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9652 @ 0.00050293 = 4.8543 BTC [-] {2}

00:51:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so.

00:52:52 undata: argie let nazis retire there; what's wrong with a few 'muricans? :D

00:52:56 asciilifeform: the pub is really the property of the freeloaders, or local chieftain, whoever; the 'owner' is simply a clown kept around for entertainment value and while he brings over friends to spend usd

00:53:19 asciilifeform: undata: the germans had self-contained biospheres where they lived and worked.

00:53:41 asciilifeform: how many u.s. expats are willing to, say, break their backs doing actual work for the locals ?

00:53:43 undata: I think you're right; it won't be a great thing abroad to be or have been an american

00:53:59 asciilifeform: no, it's always 'i'm gonna own an xxx and a yyy which will bring in...'

00:54:42 undata: I intend to stay active creating software; I'd probably continue to work with americans

00:54:45 asciilifeform: software for which - who? pays

00:54:46 asciilifeform: in what?

00:57:17 asciilifeform: (re: germans: there is ample evidence that fleeing nazis wanted for nothing, and were kept in plentiful supply of every conceivable necessity and luxury by u.s. cia. but 'traditional' narrative still has them living in what were essentially reservations in ar.)

00:57:49 undata: I've got various software things cooking now, one operational and paying my rent

00:58:04 asciilifeform: in usd

00:58:08 undata: correct

00:58:23 asciilifeform: with a gigantic, mainly usg-operated apparatus to keep 'paying for software' as a going concern even.

00:59:26 undata: I don't feel a burning urge to attract the attention of that govt

00:59:32 undata: they can have their taxes, etc

00:59:59 undata: speaking of Thailand, my accountant lives there most of the year

01:00:03 undata: wife there, etc

01:01:04 undata: Chile is one that's appealed to me

01:14:24 thestringpuller: today I heard the phrase: "Encryption as a Service" used as a buzz-phrase.

01:28:16 assbot: EPiSKiNG- +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

01:28:36 danielpbarron: !up EPiSKiNG-

01:29:59 thestringpuller: that is a name I haven't seen in sometime

01:30:19 EPiSKiNG-: someone needs to rate me

01:30:23 EPiSKiNG-: all those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love

01:30:43 danielpbarron: ;;gettrust EPiSKiNG-

01:30:44 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask EPiSKiNG-!~EPiSKiNG-@unaffiliated/episking. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user EPiSKiNG-: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 15 via 15 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=EPiSKiNG- | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=EPiSKiNG- | Rated since: Thu Jun 9 02:05:20 2011

01:31:00 EPiSKiNG-: ;;rated danielpbarron

01:31:00 gribble: You have not yet rated user danielpbarron

01:31:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56450 @ 0.00049984 = 28.216 BTC [-] {2}

01:31:19 EPiSKiNG-: ah. I think you'd do it. :)

01:31:19 danielpbarron: you're pretty high in my l2, huh

01:31:52 danielpbarron: well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord

01:32:19 *: EPiSKiNG- is confused. Need to read rules.

01:33:37 danielpbarron: EPiSKiNG-, http://fraudsters.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/

01:33:38 assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yzhod7 )

01:35:03 danielpbarron: you've got quite a few positive ratings from users i don't trust

01:36:50 kakobrekla: <EPiSKiNG-> all those WoT ratings, and assbot has no love < this thing apparently works, those ratings are useless

01:36:52 thestringpuller: who me?

01:45:12 EPiSKiNG-: worthless are they?

01:45:18 *: EPiSKiNG- is still readin

01:49:23 danielpbarron: you're from a different WoT, sort-of; all your connections are from -otc, and none are from here (or at least from anyone here who matters (and therefore anyone anywhere who matters))

01:50:37 decimation: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: deterministic wallets << the ware that someone dropped in the chan a few days ago was amusing: you enter you die rolls on the command line (history!) and then it converts to 'diceware' string, and then it takes a sha256 hash

01:50:55 decimation: seems like a good recipie to greatly restrict the keyspace

01:51:45 kakobrekla: someones coding license needs to be revoked?

01:55:42 decimation: yeah, it was a noob implementation. But it brought up a question in my mind: for RSA, private key and public key are derived from a prime number. Is there a similar procedure for ECDSA?

02:16:19 mike_c: ecdsa works on the magical horseshoe principle. you start from one spot on the horseshoe and shoot over to the other side, and where you land is difficult to figure out.

02:16:32 mike_c: unless you use the nsa horseshoe, which everyone knows the answers to.

02:27:21 asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/ru-im-malware-scan-14-1209.htm

02:27:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxCs8S )

02:27:26 asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol. run moar winblows!

02:28:15 decimation: asciilifeform: why would the russian foreign ministry run winblows?

02:28:28 asciilifeform: decimation: why would iranian ministry of nukes run winblows

02:29:15 decimation: well, probably for the same reason soviets wanted pdp11

02:29:15 asciilifeform: decimation: also this story concerns the russian ministry of internal affairs (sorta equivalent to u.s. fbi)

02:29:44 decimation: what is the difference between that and the fsb?

02:30:16 asciilifeform: that'd be more analogous to u.s. dhs

02:30:17 *: decimation took a course in soviet politics years ago and I left more confused about its bureaucracy

02:30:32 asciilifeform: see, until dhs there was no ready u.s. analogue.

02:30:51 decimation: so all internal security is nominally 'under' fsb?

02:31:17 asciilifeform: nominally, internal security in its intelligence aspects

02:31:27 decimation: ah, makes sense

02:31:29 asciilifeform: also some external work. ussr had two competing intelligence agencies

02:31:35 decimation: I guess in the us the fbi is kinda the secret police

02:31:56 asciilifeform: gru (approximately, central office of reconnaissance) and (portion of) kgb

02:32:06 asciilifeform: gru was a branch of military intelligence apparatus

02:32:18 asciilifeform: kgb - 'civilian.'

02:32:18 decimation: do these still compete today? russian military and svr?

02:32:37 asciilifeform: svr was post-collapse rebranding of kgb intelligence directorate

02:32:49 asciilifeform: this is extensively beaten to death in the literature.

02:33:22 asciilifeform: http://svr.gov.ru

02:33:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhcJAF )

02:33:28 asciilifeform: ^ apply for a job today, l0l

02:33:56 decimation: probably about the same kind of stuff as the us version

02:35:08 asciilifeform: speaking of which...

02:35:09 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/12/defeat-is-victory.html

02:35:10 assbot: ClubOrlov: Defeat is Victory ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ghd71W )

02:36:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10220 @ 0.0005022 = 5.1325 BTC [+]

02:36:22 decimation: this page on ecdsa history is depressing http://blog.cr.yp.to/20140323-ecdsa.html

02:36:23 assbot: cr.yp.to: 2014.03.23: How to design an elliptic-curve signature system ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhdfyE )

02:37:23 asciilifeform: cache timing attacks are a snore.

02:37:35 asciilifeform: if enemy has access to your cache hit/miss data, you were fucked already.

02:38:00 decimation: nah, not that stuff, the history of the development of ecdsa

02:38:25 decimation: and speculation on why the most retarded design decisions were made to force vulnerabilities

02:40:03 asciilifeform: why the most retarded design decisions << this was never a genuine mystery.

02:40:13 decimation: yeah, but it is still depressing

02:40:26 decimation: "the people" of the us should demand their tax dollars back

02:40:26 asciilifeform: not to 'evil conspiracy crackpots', that is. to 'reasonable, polite society folks' it will be a mystery until the day they die.

02:40:39 asciilifeform: (which is likely to be sooner rather than later)

02:41:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-11-2014#927130

02:41:28 assbot: Logged on 18-11-2014 01:12:37; asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.

02:42:38 decimation: I guess my question above (rephrased) is this: does the secp256k1 algorithm allow for any arbitrary 256 bit vector to be used as a key? Or is there a restricted set that will be more secure than other cases?

02:47:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26085 @ 0.00051033 = 13.312 BTC [+] {2}

02:48:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8665 @ 0.0005116 = 4.433 BTC [+]

03:01:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.12800001 = 1.28 BTC [+]

03:06:17 mircea_popescu: <undata> or hell, loot the nearest shoe store for some nikes if that's all you can muster << petty crime is really a very poor plan.

03:07:34 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how many u.s. expats are willing to, say, break their backs doing actual work for the locals ? << all women that i ever met. srsly.

03:08:27 mircea_popescu: ;;rate EPiSKiNG- 1 New blood :p

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03:08:36 decimation: there is plenty of 'hard work' going on in the us, just misdirected

03:08:38 mircea_popescu: !up EPiSKiNG-

03:08:40 mircea_popescu: there you go.

03:08:55 decimation: !up badon

03:09:12 mircea_popescu: decimation quite.

03:09:39 thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr

03:09:40 assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00015 / 0.00015943 / 0.00016 (5300 shares, 0.85 BTC)

03:10:10 mircea_popescu: <decimation> Is there a similar procedure for ECDSA? << sort-of. the exponent is ideally chosen randomly as well as the index.

03:10:29 decimation: Yeah I am going to have to work it out for myself it seems

03:10:40 decimation: using the secp256k1 parameters

03:12:30 mircea_popescu: tho i am very suspicious of ecdsa for what you'd call "political" reasons.

03:12:33 mircea_popescu: as in, notscientific.

03:13:00 decimation: yeah, I agree

03:13:05 mircea_popescu: but there's also some scienfitic doubt. you really don't know a) how good a "random curve" is n the generla case ; b) you don't really know how to calculate the quality of a good curve.

03:13:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's fond of pointing out to the pi problem of "random numbers", ie, for all you know xth index of pi digits is random

03:13:38 mircea_popescu: for FUCKING OBVIOUS reasons, such as... the involvement of pi! this is true for curves too.

03:13:59 decimation: yeah this is why RSA seems more compelling

03:14:03 decimation: people have been banging their heads against factoring large primes for a long time

03:14:10 mircea_popescu: there's also that.

03:14:17 mircea_popescu: in fact the reason why we favour rsa is quite long.

03:14:48 mircea_popescu: list of reasons*

03:15:02 decimation: I can see why satoshi avoided using the nist curves, but using ecc in general was probably a bad move

03:15:13 decimation: it's true it greatly reduced the size of the blockchain, but at what cost?

03:15:23 mircea_popescu: well, he hedged his bets.

03:15:29 mircea_popescu: ecdsa alone isn't enough to breach it.

03:16:01 mircea_popescu: it has to be said, again and again, lest anyone forgets : this was designed as a prototype.

03:16:05 mircea_popescu: it's what it is.

03:16:05 TomServo: ha! did orlov crib 'infinite hit points?

03:16:28 mircea_popescu: he did ?

03:17:29 TomServo: Consider this: knowledge is always limited and specific, but ignorance is infinite and completely general; knowledge is hard to convey, and travels no faster than the speed of light, but ignorance is instantaneous at all points in the known and unknown universe, including alternate universes and dimensions of whose existence we are entirely ignorant. In short, there is a limit to how much you can

03:17:30 TomServo: know, but there is no limit at all to how much you don't know but think you do!

03:17:48 asciilifeform: factoring large primes << l0l! i'll factor any large prime for you, free! limited time 0ff3r!

03:17:50 mircea_popescu: eh i don't have a lien on that.

03:18:20 TomServo: Just immediately reminded me of it is all.

03:18:37 decimation: asciilifeform: sorry, I mean factoring large composites :)

03:18:48 mircea_popescu: lol

03:19:04 mircea_popescu: such a stickler is he :D

03:19:13 asciilifeform: laugh, but bill gates referred to the great unsolved problem 'factoring large primes' in one of 'his' 'books', in dead tree print.

03:19:14 mircea_popescu: TomServo it does link nicely.

03:22:07 decimation: orlov is right that wages haven't increased, but prices have fallen

03:22:09 decimation: at least, for food and computers

03:22:14 asciilifeform: re: public key: incidentally, agitprop! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/03/gchq_boffins_quantumbusted_own_crypto_primitive

03:22:15 assbot: GCHQ boffins quantum-busted its OWN crypto primitive • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1uipowx )

03:22:16 mircea_popescu: not for food, per se.

03:22:24 decimation: yeah, for 'food'

03:22:27 mircea_popescu: just, they found ways to repackage cheaper shit as food.

03:22:31 asciilifeform: and 'computers'

03:22:43 decimation: I was pricing a nice wild-caught salmon from alaska, goes for $20 per lb at the cheap rate

03:23:08 mircea_popescu: my own personal opinion is you're taking that too far. srsly, current cpus are worth 80 2014 dollars

03:23:08 mircea_popescu: if a z80 was worth 40 1980 dollars.

03:23:48 asciilifeform: for numeric wrangling, sure, i'll take 2014. see last week's thread.

03:24:09 asciilifeform: for overall quality of life - 1980.

03:24:09 mircea_popescu: i thought you were kinda arguing both ends of a candle here :p

03:24:15 asciilifeform: it's burning on both ends!

03:24:25 mircea_popescu: so blow.

03:24:44 decimation: the problem is that 2014 has 1980 built into is core, under layers of 'tardation

03:24:54 mircea_popescu: but faster bus :D

03:24:58 BingoBoingo: It's a fucking candle, piss it out.

03:24:59 asciilifeform: 1980 built into its core << only the bad parts

03:25:10 decimation: heh yeah

03:25:10 mircea_popescu: you can't argue with that part. they got really good at printing them.

03:25:11 decimation: no lisp machine in an x86

03:25:27 mircea_popescu: these specific things, like the quality of paints...

03:25:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dja recall soviet paints of the 80s ?

03:25:39 mircea_popescu: that maroon ?

03:25:43 asciilifeform: aha

03:26:11 asciilifeform: there's a post office here where i live now, that seems to have been painted with the very same paints

03:26:27 mircea_popescu: those shitty plastics of the era... not really very mouldable...

03:28:51 decimation: I know for certain that nazi-era IG farben was way ahead of the world in paint technology at the time

03:28:53 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: why would iranian ministry of nukes run winblows <<< recall that buenos aires pantalla ?

03:29:14 mircea_popescu: they run it because they're not smart enough to even figure there's away out of the paper bag, as a principle.

03:29:14 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

03:31:32 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/79DTA7H << 'no parking' sign outside of that post office. (i don't presently have a photo of the inside.)

03:31:33 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiruMX )

03:32:52 decimation: http://imgur.com/79DTA7H << "By 2020, current cost trends will lead to an average cost of between $15 billion and $20 billion for a leading-edge fab, according to the report. By 2016, the minimum capital expenditure budget needed to justify the building of a new fab will range from $8 billion to $10 billion for logic, $3.5 billion to $4.5 billion for DRAM and $6 billion to $7 billion for NAND flash, according to the report."

03:32:52 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1uirH2T )

03:32:54 mircea_popescu: decimation "at the time" for 1940 tho.

03:33:00 decimation: this strikes me as more limiting than physics

03:33:18 mircea_popescu: i linked aus dem leben der marionetten here yest.

03:33:37 mircea_popescu: if you're curious to get a feel for the actual flavour of everyday bvack then, it's a good primer.

03:33:42 mircea_popescu: all those lightbulbs and whatnot.

03:35:21 Vexual: now the koreans are making the best limo at the best price, just coz they can

03:35:48 asciilifeform: i see no light bulbs in that article. are they inside the arses ?

03:36:08 mircea_popescu: they're in teh film

03:36:21 mircea_popescu: whoever did the decors put a shitton of intelligent work in

03:37:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64100 @ 0.00050754 = 32.5333 BTC [-]

03:38:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.0005116 = 9.26 BTC [+]

03:38:54 decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN-HIA4H1vA << even street urchins wore jackets in new york ca. 1900

03:38:55 assbot: New York City Street Scene Easter 1900 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wZqK6m )

03:39:24 Vexual: t-shirts are a recent invention

03:39:31 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/das-schlangenei/ << also good. perhaps actually better.

03:39:32 assbot: Das Schlangenei pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wZqRPv )

03:39:51 mircea_popescu: you know, lightbulbs going out, visibly. because back then ? they did.

03:40:13 Vexual: slowly?

03:40:25 mircea_popescu: (also bergman)

03:41:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70082 @ 0.00051256 = 35.9212 BTC [+] {2}

03:41:31 mircea_popescu: it just occured to me that b-a is actually the only place on the english web where german, russian,french, spanish etc are not merely spoken,

03:41:41 mircea_popescu: but the respective cultures actually accessible and tied in.

03:41:51 mircea_popescu: at least afaik the only place.

03:42:43 asciilifeform: we have a german ?

03:43:10 mircea_popescu: no but we like them :D

03:43:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm from transylvania, i could as 1/3 german.

03:43:30 Vexual: mircea runs a mercedes

03:43:41 mircea_popescu: jurov's from slovakia, that's like 1/2 german, and kako's somalia is an ex german colony. so like 1/6

03:43:51 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1/3 + 1/2 + 1/6

03:43:51 gribble: 1.0

03:43:54 mircea_popescu: win.

03:44:04 decimation: Ich spreche einbisschen Deutch

03:44:43 decimation: my family is nearly all from germany, but they stopped teaching their kids the language around wwii (in the us)

03:45:14 mircea_popescu: decimation afaik about 40% of the us is actually from germany at some point

03:45:30 decimation: yes, the majority of 'white people' in the us are german

03:45:40 decimation: which is why the englishers had to squash that shit

03:45:44 mircea_popescu: anyway, quick quiz : who is the first person to have spoken german in public in israel post ww2 ?

03:46:03 Vexual: was he in physics?

03:46:11 decimation: eh? weren't nearly all the 'returning jews' from german backgrounds?

03:50:35 decimation: http://forward.com/articles/154277/jews-stream-back-to-germany/?p=all << "But under German law since May 1949, any Jew — or the descendants of such a Jew — who fled Nazi Germany has the right to become a naturalized German"

03:50:36 assbot: Jews Stream Back to Germany – Forward.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uivnlc )

04:01:10 decimation: academic/media/civil servant complex is the us is chattering about increasing the gas tax, since prices have nearly halved

04:01:25 decimation: no talk about rebalancing spending to cover the shortfall

04:06:40 mthreat: there's also people asking if the US fracking companies will be "bailed out"

04:07:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00050723 = 5.1991 BTC [-]

04:12:06 decimation: mthreat: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/opecs-no-to-oil-production-cut-dents-crude-prices-3-energy-funds-to-dump-mutual-fund-commentary-cm419481

04:12:07 assbot: OPEC's No to Oil Production Cut Dents Crude Prices: 3 Energy Funds to Dump - Mutual Fund Commentary - NASDAQ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiAf9P )

04:12:09 TomServo: http://www.mprnews.org/story/2014/12/09/daily-circuit-transportation-funding

04:12:10 assbot: Transportation chief: $1 billion surplus can't fix road problems | Minnesota Public Radio News ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiAhi0 )

04:12:19 decimation: opec is dumping oil to kill the fracking producers in the us

04:14:10 TomServo: Aye - 20-40% fewer well permits being reported, depending on production area.

04:15:38 decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-11-2014#931330

04:15:38 assbot: Logged on 22-11-2014 04:04:57; mircea_popescu: you familiar with the "giant stool" approach to economics ?

04:16:00 decimation: opec wants to grow into a giant to squash the midgets in oil

04:17:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00051437 = 20.4205 BTC [+] {3}

04:19:03 PeterL: is opec not already a giant?

04:19:34 decimation: yes, and they can embiggen themselves to squash any troublesome midgets for a period of time

04:27:21 mats: i wonder how putin feels about it

04:27:39 asciilifeform: http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/ws/660/amz/worldservice/live/assets/images/2014/12/06/141206063050_putin_poster_624x351_ap.jpg

04:27:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiDVIE )

04:29:13 BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2014/12/09/the-richest-man-in-russia-bought-james-watsons-nobel-prize-just-so-he-could-return-it/

04:29:15 assbot: The richest man in Russia bought James Watson’s Nobel prize just so he could return it - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiEja5 )

04:30:21 decimation: BingoBoingo: that's awesome

04:31:34 asciilifeform: lol!

04:38:44 asciilifeform: picture if - the equalistas will step up their game now. i recall there already was talk of (soviet-style!) revocation of watson's degrees.

04:39:50 decimation: asciilifeform: such a development would be welcome, as it would require a press release with names attached

04:39:54 BingoBoingo: Ah, the greatest protest Watson could undertake would be to sell his nobel annually

04:39:56 asciilifeform: and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish

04:40:09 mircea_popescu: <decimation> eh? weren't nearly all the 'returning jews' from german backgrounds? << yep.

04:40:24 []bot: Bet placed: 2.00000001 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before Feb 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1080/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.43248982 BTC. Current weight: 89,167.

04:40:28 asciilifeform: who bribes inquisitors ?

04:40:36 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish << Respect comes from the buyers returning it, like the many "Gems"

04:41:10 asciilifeform: he did not know that it would be returned.

04:41:29 asciilifeform: said, supposedly, that he will buy back into respectability with the money.

04:42:03 BingoBoingo: Ah

04:42:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish << i didn't read any such plan in there. just, "i want money" "what for ?" "fuck you lol:

04:42:27 asciilifeform: he did utter 'will use it to return to public life'

04:42:33 BingoBoingo: But now Watson can surmise he will be saved by stotting behavior until the one time he isn't

04:42:34 decimation: nah he said he would give it to a few institutions

04:42:37 asciilifeform: and did, iirc, mention donations to various academitrons

04:42:41 mircea_popescu: more like "this should do x"

04:42:59 mircea_popescu: he didn't seem to want to personally do anything past telling the others what they should be doing

04:43:01 asciilifeform: giving money to his tormentors looks like pure nuttery

04:43:10 mircea_popescu: admittedly, the traditional behaviour of intellectual types.

04:43:39 mircea_popescu: understand old man psychology : the whole world is made out of younger men

04:43:45 mircea_popescu: and for this reason, his toermentors.

04:43:51 decimation: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/41594/title/Watson-Sells-Nobel-for--4-1M/ "Watson told The New York Times that he planned to donate most of the proceeds from the sale to academic institutions, including the University of Chicago, which he attended as an undergraduate; Indiana University, where he earned his PhD; Cambridge, where he and Crick worked; and Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. “The sale is to support

04:43:53 assbot: Watson Sells Nobel for $4.1M | The Scientist Magazine® ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7jrgj )

04:43:53 decimation: and empower scientific discovery,” he said."

04:43:54 mircea_popescu: he will ~talk about~ giving them money.

04:44:10 asciilifeform: but in actuality, mail it to 'isis' ?

04:44:13 decimation: yeah he was unspecific about the amounts - "most"

04:45:12 mircea_popescu: he was also going to buy some painting

04:45:15 *: asciilifeform thinks he understands old man psychology very well

04:45:16 mircea_popescu: dithering, basically.

04:45:41 *: asciilifeform had birthday a few days ago

04:45:45 mircea_popescu: cast a wide net of tormentors looking for a handout, watch em squirm basically.

04:45:50 mircea_popescu: lol how old does that make you ?

04:45:56 asciilifeform: 31 + epsilon

04:46:32 decimation: all of those except maybe cold spring will waste it on stupid shit

04:46:32 mircea_popescu: that's not so old.

04:46:40 mircea_popescu: you could do a lot better!

04:46:44 asciilifeform: lol

04:46:48 mircea_popescu: next year...

04:47:09 asciilifeform: ;;google you're older than you've ever been

04:47:09 gribble: Older - They Might Be Giants (Best Version) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2bo_u_YmW8; Older - They Might Be Giants (official video) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdIRrmNN_CQ; Lyrics:Older - TMBW: The They Might Be Giants Knowledge Base: http://tmbw.net/wiki/Lyrics:Older

04:47:34 decimation: for instance, Indiana University has floated the idea of starting an engineering school http://www.idsnews.com/article/2014/11/committee-to-explore-engineering-program-at-iu-bloomington

04:47:37 assbot: Indiana Daily Student: :: ​Committee to explore engineering program at IU-Bloomington ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiIhQ4 )

04:49:19 decimation: "Of the 62 universities in the Association of American Universities, only four do not have programs in engineering, according to the plan. Of those four, two have joint programs in engineering with other institutions."

04:49:33 decimation: but everyone else does it!!

04:50:23 asciilifeform: on one hand, old man feels old, envies young impotently, etc. on the other - has impulse for 'last hurrah.' word is that e. teller dreamed of presiding over a nukefest until the day he died.

04:50:43 asciilifeform: to 'go out with a bang.'

04:51:35 decimation: if watson wanted to 'go out with a bang' he would find the right young men to found an institute that explicitly is an enemy of his idio-cratic critics

04:53:37 BingoBoingo: Or he'd do the Jurassic park, breed theme park monsters thing

04:53:39 asciilifeform: about equally doable.

04:53:48 asciilifeform: and for approximately same reasons.

04:56:53 BingoBoingo: Actual dinosaurs impossible. Theme park monsters with vague resemblance to dinosaurs could probably be done in a decade or two if anyone cared to go monsanto on chickens

04:59:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00050889 = 12.9258 BTC [-]

04:59:44 decimation: yeah as Mr. Yarvin enjoys pointing out, the past is dead, cannot live again

05:00:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00052146 = 30.8704 BTC [+] {4}

05:03:59 BingoBoingo: That's actually the line the Jurassic park sequels take when dinosaur feathers happened to become the consensus-ish thing IRL

05:09:36 PeterL: http://xkcd.com/1211/

05:09:37 assbot: xkcd: Birds and Dinosaurs ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiMbZh )

05:20:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00052508 = 3.8331 BTC [+]

05:26:14 asciilifeform: incidentally, german phrase of the day:

05:26:20 asciilifeform: verscharfte vernehmung.

05:38:35 BingoBoingo: http://wapc.mlb.com/cutfour/2014/12/08/103552062/adam-wainwright-apologizes-to-fantasy-baseball-players-for-missing-final-start

05:38:36 assbot: Adam Wainwright apologizes to fantasy baseball players for missing final start | MLB.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uiRR5l )

05:44:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00052529 = 11.2675 BTC [+] {2}

05:45:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 127 @ 0.00857331 = 1.0888 BTC [+] {2}

05:45:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00052727 = 17.3999 BTC [+] {2}

06:02:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00050889 = 7.7351 BTC [-]

06:11:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00052754 = 1.3189 BTC [+]

06:19:17 ben_vulpes: okay 700 log lines. go!

06:21:17 ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> ;;rate jyap 1 https://twitter.com/jyap/status/542409148323741697 << easy come easy go lol

06:21:18 assbot: I hope he comes here to tell us how "gpg is not user friendly and too hard." /jyap http://t.co/w1PgofiYzc /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /ElectrumWallet

06:22:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55900 @ 0.00052756 = 29.4906 BTC [+] {2}

06:23:16 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ad nauseum << lol!

06:24:13 ben_vulpes: <undata> it's this social progress thing << sounds like it's time to have another dinner party

06:25:17 ben_vulpes: ;;ident mats

06:25:17 gribble: Nick 'mats', with hostmask 'mats!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jxahmfiunuuiztjr', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None

06:25:29 ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot mats

06:25:30 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mats!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jxahmfiunuuiztjr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mats | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mats | Rated since: Thu Jun 19 20:47:48 2014

06:26:22 ben_vulpes: ah i think i recall now.

06:31:13 mircea_popescu: used to be mats_something

06:31:25 ben_vulpes: mats_cd03

06:35:49 ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord << when did this happen?

06:44:15 ben_vulpes: decimation: "street urchins" << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzT8EqhuYxA moar tenements, i say!

06:44:16 assbot: Tenement Life 1860-1910 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1sbDm9v )

06:52:11 ben_vulpes: well hm.

07:32:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00052776 = 30.2934 BTC [+] {2}

07:35:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52800 @ 0.00050891 = 26.8704 BTC [-]

07:40:21 punkman: decimation: I guess my question above (rephrased) is this: does the secp256k1 algorithm allow for any arbitrary 256 bit vector to be used as a key? Or is there a restricted set that will be more secure than other cases? <- exponent must be smaller than curve order, which is 0xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffebaaedce6af48a03bbfd25e8cd0364141

07:45:59 punkman: and fwiw, http://blog.bettercrypto.com/?p=1004

07:46:02 assbot: Controversy Around Bitcoin Elliptic Curve | Financial Cryptography, Bitcoin, Crypto Currencies ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztbFJE )

08:04:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00053389 = 15.9633 BTC [+]

08:16:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1567 @ 0.00122 = 1.9117 BTC [+]

08:17:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1254 @ 0.00122 = 1.5299 BTC [+]

08:28:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.0005344 = 15.3373 BTC [+] {3}

08:32:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1587 @ 0.00120218 = 1.9079 BTC [-] {10}

08:33:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.13924399 = 2.0887 BTC [+] {4}

08:36:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00051253 = 26.2928 BTC [-]

08:46:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62350 @ 0.00053736 = 33.5044 BTC [+] {2}

08:52:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68800 @ 0.00054858 = 37.7423 BTC [+] {3}

08:57:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22358 @ 0.00055552 = 12.4203 BTC [+]

09:01:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00055898 = 1.5651 BTC [+]

09:23:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75634 @ 0.00055287 = 41.8158 BTC [-] {2}

09:26:07 BingoBoingo: !up ivok

09:28:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40242 @ 0.00055898 = 22.4945 BTC [+]

09:32:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16431 @ 0.00055955 = 9.194 BTC [+] {2}

09:36:42 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/a-normal-man-sentenced-to-48-months-prison/

09:36:55 cazalla: fetch scoopbot, fetch, good dog

09:37:18 cazalla: ah it was sit but whatever the fuck

09:37:23 fluffypony: lol

09:37:37 fluffypony: then he should be called oobot

09:37:52 cazalla: still remember that for some reason, clearly you do too fluffypony

09:38:02 fluffypony: yup

09:39:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35597 @ 0.00054829 = 19.5175 BTC [-]

09:45:56 punkman: cazalla: did the normal man have a website?

09:47:26 cazalla: info is scarce at this time, few diff stories floating around http://wglt.org/wireready/news/2014/12/05124_bitcoin_sentence2_164332.shtml

09:47:27 assbot: Bitcoin Launderer From Normal Sentenced To Federal Prison | WGLT ... ( http://bit.ly/1AemUnA )

09:47:27 cazalla: clearly he was anything but normal

09:48:27 cazalla: there is a john powell negro on youtube who is into bitcoin from 2013, nfi if it is him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q85mvDbX40

09:48:28 assbot: WWCW Keynote - john powell - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Aen2Do )

09:48:35 cazalla: seems a nice man

09:49:29 cazalla: age fits

09:50:46 cazalla: speaking of black people, i was watching some notorious big music videos and it occurred to me, his weight looks average now, bit much to call him big by 2015 standards

09:51:08 punkman: lol

09:51:45 cazalla: srs, watch him in juicy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZom_gVfuw

09:51:46 assbot: The Notorious B.I.G. - "Juicy" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AenEJc )

09:52:44 cazalla: it was all a dream, i use to read bitcoin magazine..

10:00:55 punkman: so turns out royalmail's "airmail" is now "truckmail"

10:01:01 punkman: fuckers

10:01:19 punkman: and I was wondering why it took 10+ days every time

10:02:50 fluffypony: that's the untracked one?

10:02:54 punkman: tracked

10:03:01 fluffypony: oh that's stupid of them

10:03:04 punkman: http://www.royalmail.com/international/consumer-changes

10:03:05 assbot: Information for international customers | Royal Mail Group Ltd ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNIfVT )

10:03:12 punkman: they rebranded earlier this year

10:03:27 punkman: 10 GBP for truck mail? that's highway robbery

10:08:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48810 @ 0.00054171 = 26.4409 BTC [-] {2}

10:17:11 punkman: http://www.keurighack.com/ hilarious

10:17:12 assbot: KeurigHack.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNLv3B )

10:18:10 cazalla: ppl really use those pod things?

10:18:34 punkman: aha

10:18:41 cazalla: prefer tea tbh, coffee meh

10:22:34 *: punkman sneaks off to make a cup of matcha

10:24:15 cazalla: nice cup of fukashima green tea eh punkman

10:24:22 cazalla: you fkn glow as green as the tea

10:25:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28753 @ 0.00056211 = 16.1623 BTC [+] {2}

10:26:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00056459 = 7.1703 BTC [+]

10:27:11 punkman: cazalla, aye straight from japan, still neon green

10:28:48 cazalla: i use to drink a lot of sencha until fukashima

10:29:21 cazalla: then i was like, fkn japanese dogs try to sell mongorrians tainted green tea

10:32:10 punkman: cazalla, could buy some from west japan

10:32:21 cazalla: maybe fukashima farmer takes his tea to west japan, claims tea grown there

10:32:36 cazalla: anyway, we have green tea grown here, just not as good

10:33:00 punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage

10:33:12 cazalla: yeah that too

10:33:25 cazalla: my missus asian bff, offerred me some chinese liqour once

10:33:30 punkman: well what you gonna do, not drink tea

10:33:58 cazalla: without thinking of cultural sensitivity, i say i'm not drinking that shit, she was most offended lol

10:35:42 cazalla: punkman, fuck that, i has about 10 cups a day

10:37:15 cazalla: use to have a bit of a rooibos habit too

10:38:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1600 @ 0.00122755 = 1.9641 BTC [-] {4}

10:39:38 cazalla: where is vexual when ya need him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG0txzWT-DM

10:39:39 assbot: Jo Jo Zep & The Falcons- Hit And Run - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNQYr3 )

10:44:24 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tbQRbNMlks

10:44:25 assbot: Grinspoon - Just Ace (Recovery, 1998) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNRKV2 )

10:47:40 punkman: cazalla: scoop for you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888343.0

10:47:41 assbot: Twitter and GMX accounts compromised ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujQweD )

10:48:08 cazalla: nooooo, i want to believe he hates the nigs

10:48:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41011 @ 0.00056621 = 23.2208 BTC [+] {2}

10:49:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.13999988 = 1.4 BTC [+] {2}

10:53:31 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCA7--Qcp78

10:53:32 assbot: Regurgitator - Black Bugs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujRHuE )

10:56:19 cazalla: and muh fav https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnMmRV8y0xM /me far too much to drink tonight

10:56:20 assbot: Spiderbait - Calypso - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujSnQG )

10:58:04 cazalla: as i said to BingoBoingo, the fraudsters article on fat people and their diet which culiminates in day 10-14 gorging themselves on food, tonight, i gorge on alcohol after an abstinence

11:00:13 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC_axjAEPlg

11:00:14 assbot: Spiderbait - Glockenpop - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNUuBL )

11:03:03 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJPq2c8wxFE

11:03:04 assbot: Magic Dirt - City Trash (Official Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1vNV2Yn )

11:09:50 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjB71I9to30 and zzzzzzzzzz

11:09:51 assbot: Magic Dirt - Vulcanella (Billabong Detour) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ujUVhI )

11:23:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00056221 = 9.3046 BTC [-]

11:47:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54559 @ 0.00056293 = 30.7129 BTC [+] {3}

11:57:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41050 @ 0.00056157 = 23.0524 BTC [-]

11:59:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00056157 = 1.0108 BTC [-]

12:21:06 danielpbarron: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2014#949905 << the first revision http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/

12:21:06 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 06:35:49; ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> well my having not done it doesn't matter as i'm no longer a lord << when did this happen?

12:21:06 assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5ZOQw )

12:28:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16340 @ 0.00056112 = 9.1687 BTC [-] {2}

12:42:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00056092 = 14.9766 BTC [-] {2}

12:46:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41358 @ 0.00055679 = 23.0277 BTC [-] {2}

13:13:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13548 @ 0.00056795 = 7.6946 BTC [+] {2}

13:15:37 nubbins`: hi

13:16:52 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot danielpbarron

13:16:52 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013

13:17:29 nubbins`: gues you never were

13:19:55 danielpbarron: lol i was; i was on the first list

13:20:12 nubbins`: o

13:20:24 danielpbarron: not sure why, since i had just recently joined the channel

13:20:31 nubbins`: well i guess assbot doesn't issue ;;rate commands in-chan

13:20:56 nubbins`: danielpbarron you'll find that most things around here are overly ad-hoc in their implementation

13:21:33 nubbins`: this novus dominus thing is no different 8)

13:21:46 nubbins`: !s rate from:assbot

13:21:53 assbot: 70 results for 'rate from:assbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rate+from%3Aassbot

13:22:04 danielpbarron: it was fun while it lasted; I got to lord over the -otc folk a bit

13:22:17 nubbins`: !s danielpbarron from:assbot

13:22:18 assbot: 11 results for 'danielpbarron from:assbot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=danielpbarron+from%3Aassbot

13:23:11 *: nubbins` shrugs

13:24:05 nubbins`: !s !up

13:24:06 assbot: 20366 results for '!up' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%21up

13:26:21 danielpbarron: if you're looking for the rating change, it's logged in #bitcoin-otc-ratings

13:31:12 nubbins`: o

13:31:28 nubbins`: (that's a channel?!)

13:33:21 danielpbarron: yeah, a pretty cool one too

13:45:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27280 @ 0.00059633 = 16.2679 BTC [+]

14:00:15 decimation: punkman: thanks for the link

14:00:18 decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah usg runs the tenement business now, mostly funded by its credit

14:01:05 assbot: Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

14:02:24 TomServo: !up Vexual

14:03:59 Vexual: thanks for the continue TomServo, i thought this was flappy birds for a minute

14:04:25 Vexual: L0 again?

14:05:46 decimation: http://a.abcnews.com/images/Entertainment/AP_Prince_William_Kate_LeBron_bc_141210_4x3_992.jpg

14:05:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B86NJg )

14:06:12 Vexual: worst .bait evar

14:06:13 decimation: that is an amusing image: the British public took offense because it looked like an ogre was breaching royal protocol

14:06:31 decimation: to the american eye, it looks like they are just 'having fun'

14:06:58 Vexual: what is the protocol there?

14:07:15 decimation: I think "don't grab the princess" is on the list

14:07:52 Vexual: no shit

14:08:15 Vexual: what next? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2AHvZWojSc

14:09:50 decimation: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1166490/Ones-new-best-friend-The-Queen-Michelle-new-touchy-feely-protocol.html

14:09:51 assbot: One's new best friend: The Queen, Michelle and the new touchy-feely protocol | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/136ZRRs )

14:11:39 Vexual: aka swinging just got real

14:11:52 Vexual: (nasty)

14:23:24 thestringpuller: ;;ticker

14:23:25 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 350.81, Best ask: 352.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.42000, Last trade: 350.79, 24 hour volume: 12556.48664474, 24 hour low: 343.97, 24 hour high: 356.99, 24 hour vwap: 349.130565322

14:27:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00060326 = 3.2576 BTC [+]

15:05:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00060326 = 20.2695 BTC [+]

15:08:17 mats: it surges

15:18:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.12993213 = 1.0395 BTC [-] {4}

15:22:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 150 @ 0.13929999 = 20.895 BTC [+] {5}

15:23:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.13964496 = 5.5858 BTC [+] {5}

15:25:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.14239652 = 4.1295 BTC [+] {5}

15:27:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00059661 = 26.5491 BTC [-] {3}

15:34:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.14083333 = 2.1125 BTC [-] {2}

15:56:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49100 @ 0.00060713 = 29.8101 BTC [+] {2}

15:57:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29772 @ 0.00061354 = 18.2663 BTC [+] {2}

16:00:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 100471 @ 0.0012 = 120.5652 BTC {4}

16:01:10 thestringpuller: !t h AMHASH1

16:01:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AMHASH1] 1D: 0.00120003 / 0.00121776 / 0.00124200 (15060 shares, 18.33946488 BTC), 7D: 0.00119000 / 0.00122054 / 0.00125000 (112339 shares, 137.11374519 BTC), 30D: 0.00112000 / 0.00121932 / 0.00127000 (392251 shares, 478.28083452 BTC)

16:01:14 thestringpuller: !t h AMHASH2

16:01:33 assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.

16:01:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1650 @ 0.0012 = 1.98 BTC

16:01:44 thestringpuller: !t h AMHASH3

16:01:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AMHASH3] 1D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (102121 shares, 122.54520000 BTC), 7D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (102121 shares, 122.54520000 BTC), 30D: 0.00120000 / 0.0012 / 0.00120000 (102121 shares, 122.54520000 BTC)

16:03:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1287 @ 0.0012 = 1.5444 BTC {3}

16:06:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1050 @ 0.0012 = 1.26 BTC {3}

16:07:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 6553 @ 0.0012 = 7.8636 BTC {2}

16:09:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 6569 @ 0.0012 = 7.8828 BTC {4}

16:10:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 9940 @ 0.0012 = 11.928 BTC {4}

16:11:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 859 @ 0.00121999 = 1.048 BTC [+]

16:12:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 5753 @ 0.0012 = 6.9036 BTC {3}

16:13:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3855 @ 0.0012 = 4.626 BTC {3}

16:18:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2056 @ 0.0012 = 2.4672 BTC {2}

16:22:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2957 @ 0.0012 = 3.5484 BTC {2}

16:26:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 5300 @ 0.0012 = 6.36 BTC {2}

16:29:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17738 @ 0.00059126 = 10.4878 BTC [-]

16:29:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4306 @ 0.0012 = 5.1672 BTC {3}

16:38:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1268 @ 0.0012 = 1.5216 BTC {2}

16:40:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2501 @ 0.0012 = 3.0012 BTC {2}

16:41:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1500 @ 0.0012 = 1.8 BTC

16:44:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC

16:46:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 6050 @ 0.0012 = 7.26 BTC

16:49:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 851 @ 0.0012 = 1.0212 BTC {3}

16:51:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1979 @ 0.0012 = 2.3748 BTC {4}

16:52:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3016 @ 0.0012 = 3.6192 BTC {2}

16:54:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 5600 @ 0.0012 = 6.72 BTC

16:55:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00058371 = 6.9461 BTC [-]

16:55:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC

16:57:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC

17:01:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1041 @ 0.0012 = 1.2492 BTC

17:02:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00058371 = 3.8817 BTC [-]

17:03:56 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to win vs S&P 500" http://bitbet.us/bet/989/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 50(Y):50(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.32410779 BTC. Current weight: 16,370.

17:04:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1750 @ 0.0012 = 2.1 BTC

17:07:48 mircea_popescu: punkman no notary still ?

17:10:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11177 @ 0.00058371 = 6.5241 BTC [-]

17:11:42 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1300 @ 0.0012 = 1.56 BTC

17:13:40 mircea_popescu: Namworld send me teh fb data if it's done (seems to be ?)

17:20:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4957 @ 0.0012 = 5.9484 BTC

17:45:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10671 @ 0.0006401 = 6.8305 BTC [+] {2}

17:49:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3766 @ 0.0012 = 4.5192 BTC

17:53:46 Namworld: I just checked, it's about 3/4th of the way through.

18:03:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6908 @ 0.00066468 = 4.5916 BTC [+]

18:08:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2000 @ 0.0012 = 2.4 BTC

18:11:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00061962 = 17.969 BTC [-]

18:24:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1009 @ 0.0012 = 1.2108 BTC {3}

18:24:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00121935 = 1.2194 BTC [+]

18:52:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 8118 @ 0.0012 = 9.7416 BTC {2}

18:53:07 mircea_popescu: Namworld ah kk ty

19:01:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4210 @ 0.00121935 = 5.1335 BTC [-]

19:06:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40000 @ 0.00064862 = 25.9448 BTC [+]

19:09:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19173 @ 0.00061945 = 11.8767 BTC [-] {2}

19:16:05 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/alOGguf

19:16:06 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1x3431c )

19:17:06 dignork: nubbins`: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2851910/Russian-circus-attaches-hamsters-balloons-DROPS-children-gifts-dead-arrival.html

19:17:08 assbot: Russian circus attaches 'dead' hamsters to balloons and DROPS them as 'gifts' | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1x34gS3 )

19:17:23 dignork: ^ fake but still fun

19:18:20 nubbins`: lel

19:18:34 nubbins`: russian "circus" throws dead rats in jars at children

19:19:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66871 @ 0.00057701 = 38.5852 BTC [-] {4}

19:29:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.14075 = 2.815 BTC [-] {2}

19:36:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26727 @ 0.00062562 = 16.7209 BTC [+] {2}

19:37:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16642 @ 0.00068095 = 11.3324 BTC [+] {2}

19:38:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17308 @ 0.00069042 = 11.9498 BTC [+]

19:50:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10957 @ 0.0002 = 2.1914 BTC [-] {21}

19:56:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7877 @ 0.00018133 = 1.4283 BTC [-] {38}

20:15:41 thestringpuller: $depth mpoe

20:15:41 empyex: thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=26 Or use a valid MPSIC!

20:15:53 thestringpuller: $depth s.mpoe

20:15:53 empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 11123 @ 0.00064896 1500 @ 0.00056345 23817 @ 0.00056344 31631 @ 0.00055679

20:15:53 empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 46700 @ 0.00065278 64200 @ 0.00066432 28551 @ 0.00068328 52200 @ 0.00068937

20:17:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 930 @ 0.0012 = 1.116 BTC

20:22:39 thestringpuller: notary is down for extended maintenance I thought.

20:23:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10473 @ 0.00064896 = 6.7966 BTC [-]

20:29:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35827 @ 0.00065246 = 23.3757 BTC [+] {2}

20:39:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2420 @ 0.00121799 = 2.9475 BTC [+] {2}

20:47:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7754 @ 0.00014999 = 1.163 BTC [-] {3}

20:59:36 mircea_popescu: iirc was last weekend. anyway.

20:59:53 thestringpuller: punkman: you got some 'splainin to do!

20:59:54 thestringpuller: jkjk

21:03:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00063602 = 7.7594 BTC [-]

21:11:31 mircea_popescu: 63s now huh ?

21:11:57 thestringpuller: it's because you announced the mircea_popescu stimulus package

21:12:03 mircea_popescu: oidid ?

21:13:05 thestringpuller: Haha. I was just imagining you as Bitcoin's Obama. It was funnier in my head because of the implied irony.

21:13:09 thestringpuller: But whatever.

21:13:29 mircea_popescu: i thought this was ghoing to be a sex joke.

21:13:50 thestringpuller: that probably would have been a better avenue

21:13:54 thestringpuller: i get booed off the stage when I do stand up :(

21:14:01 mircea_popescu: "the mp stimulus package", http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/pula_mea2s.jpg

21:14:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBYJFF )

21:14:52 thestringpuller: shemlessly opened in the middle of a training session at work

21:16:09 mircea_popescu: that'll train ya.

21:17:10 thestringpuller: I wish my teacher was a porn star teaching the class naked.

21:17:29 mircea_popescu: whjat class is it anyway

21:17:41 thestringpuller: mandatory training for onboarding on this company

21:17:54 thestringpuller: it's like Google's Bootcamp, but for this company (VMWare)

21:19:00 mircea_popescu: aha

21:26:52 mircea_popescu: cazalla who was John Powell in bitcoin-terms ?

21:27:45 mircea_popescu: punkman: 10 GBP for truck mail? that's highway robbery <<< no, it's... AIRWAY ROBBERY

21:27:48 mircea_popescu: har har har

21:28:22 jurov: nubbins`: http://makezine.com/2011/08/25/art-student-hand-illuminates-binds-a-copy-of-tolkiens-silmarillion/

21:28:23 assbot: Art Student Hand-Illuminates, Binds a Copy of Tolkien's Silmarillion | MAKE ... ( http://bit.ly/1IC1ZAR )

21:28:36 mircea_popescu: punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage << actually good for it.

21:28:49 mircea_popescu: whoa nubbins` now you have to hire that guy

21:28:51 mircea_popescu: or marry him.

21:31:35 mircea_popescu: http://blog.bettercrypto.com/?p=1004 << this by the way is an excellent write-up. anyone know the guy / invite him over ?

21:31:40 assbot: Controversy Around Bitcoin Elliptic Curve | Financial Cryptography, Bitcoin, Crypto Currencies ... ( http://bit.ly/1IC2A5J )

21:33:43 mircea_popescu: "unanimous allergic reactions when serious security questions are raised by uninvited academics"

21:33:44 mircea_popescu: heh.

21:35:45 kakobrekla: was there a new ssh vuln found past 24hrs?

21:36:39 mircea_popescu: "ERROR: JavaScript and Cookies are required in order to post a comment.

21:36:39 mircea_popescu: Please be sure JavaScript and Cookies are enabled in your browser."

21:36:44 mircea_popescu: derpistan.

21:37:31 cazalla: mircea_popescu, dunno yet, no court docs online, not entered in offender search yet either

21:37:39 asciilifeform: ecdsa curves, 'nothing up my sleeve' constants << think back to the legend with the 'randomly wired' neural net. if secp256k1 (or, another example, aes s-boxes) have sufficiently broad classes of 'weak key' - then all you need to do is find a simple, e.g., sqrt(2), whatever, 'sleeve constant' that impresses the fools.

21:39:23 nubbins`: jurov "he hand-illuminated the text which had been printed on his home Canon inkjet printer. He worked with a binder to assemble the resulting book."

21:39:26 mircea_popescu: so the guy that wrote that otherwise interesting post : 1) aslo wrote http://blog.bettercrypto.com/?p=640 , a complete misrepresentation of the tim swhatever incident ; 2) runs a blog where you need cookies/js to leave him a comment pointing out that no, he's not extempt from the common requirements of "know what you're talking about before you posture" ; 3) has a contact page where i could donate btc to him (or ltc he

21:39:28 assbot: Bitcoin Security and Cryptography: Reasons to Worry | Financial Cryptography, Bitcoin, Crypto Currencies ... ( http://bit.ly/1umah5a )

21:39:28 mircea_popescu: h), but which does not include his email, or his pgp key.

21:39:33 mircea_popescu: how the fuck do these people expect to survive, seriously ?

21:39:38 nubbins`: dude uses a canon ;/

21:39:43 mircea_popescu: i get it, he's a "google scholar" and he has patents. whopee.

21:39:49 nubbins`: and didn't even bind it himself!

21:39:58 nubbins`: what kind of art preschool did he attend?!

21:40:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform atm im trying to discern whether the recent "secp256k1" talk is simply the defeated nsa trying to find a better reason to fork bitcoin, or these derps actualy have something.

21:40:40 mircea_popescu: but they're so fucking derpy they're not helping me, as itemized above.

21:40:41 asciilifeform: 'one cannot safely just ignore the advice of the cryptographic community about the elliptic curves. Not taking these questions seriously is bad, potentially a gross professional misconduct, and one could in theory even go to prison for that on the basis of some existing laws, for example safeguards rule in the US Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act...' << obey or gasenwagen!

21:40:54 mircea_popescu: heh.

21:40:57 cazalla: mircea_popescu, there is http://i.imgur.com/55MwjMX.png too

21:40:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1umaxkR )

21:41:25 cazalla: wonder why they didn't mention drugs in the news article

21:41:31 mircea_popescu: srsly, he keeps linking to reddit thinking/pretending to think he's engaging bitcoin thereby.

21:41:35 mircea_popescu: so much nuttery.

21:43:03 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm wrestling with my PACER login to find some filings in the Powel case

21:43:52 mircea_popescu: cool.

21:44:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still, i can see the argument that "7" is not safe just for being you know, the number of holes on your body.

21:46:45 mircea_popescu: i wonder, if i say Dr. Nicolas T. Courtois will this then be the first hit on his name tomorrow or something ?

21:48:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, birdy whispers in my ear guy's from group that came up with the original xls aes attack. definitely more standing than tim swanson or w/e.

21:49:58 asciilifeform: 'there is like 30 papers each year published in cryptographic literature in which cryptosystems fail exactly because they use small integers...' << ahahaha. what a brazen and deliberate confusion. bringing up rsa coppersmith attack in thread on unrelated cryptosystem.

21:50:46 mircea_popescu: but the principle remains. "small integers" are not in fact either small or integers but for our perspective.

21:50:55 mircea_popescu: they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so.

21:52:28 mircea_popescu: !up rdymac

21:53:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform (incidentally, coppersmith didn't think much of the xsl thing)

21:54:31 BingoBoingo: Finally got the login sorted out, vague indictment was vague

21:55:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they can put people away without even saying what for huh.

21:56:10 BingoBoingo: Well, Indictment lists the charges as money transmission stuff, and "possession of marijuana with intention to distribute"

21:56:19 BingoBoingo: Going to read more

21:56:54 mircea_popescu: heh

21:57:00 mircea_popescu: so the guy had a bag big enough is it ?

21:57:06 mircea_popescu: iirc that's what intent is predicated on

21:57:33 asciilifeform: questionable attacks on aes, etc << there are stables of ops grunts paid to sow disinfo - false research leads, general-purpose 'fud' for the academic community, promotion of sensational mystery meats ('badbios' !), etc.

21:58:50 asciilifeform: a bag big enough >> :

21:59:00 asciilifeform: !s toilet tank

21:59:01 assbot: 7 results for 'toilet tank' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=toilet+tank

21:59:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00064487 = 18.1208 BTC [+] {2}

21:59:35 BingoBoingo: So many sealed documents. Apparently last employed April 2008 making $10k/month

21:59:52 BingoBoingo: 2006 Hyundai Sonata

22:01:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. which is why it's so difficult to discern.

22:01:45 mircea_popescu: obviously, honest man would be in wot rather than sitting at the fringe arguing about how him being in the thief seats is wholly immaterial, he's just there for the view, comfort and etc.

22:01:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sometimes, the buggers 'go into tilt' and make it laughably easy. that piece reads as if it had been written by mr. spamgun himself.

22:01:59 BingoBoingo: The fuckers, part of his pre-trial release conditions was a prohibition on alcohol, 21st amendment yo!

22:02:07 mircea_popescu: i still dunno why we'd believe 7 is a good exponent

22:02:12 mircea_popescu: rather than whatever any other one.

22:02:26 mircea_popescu: obviously, this is no reason to change anything, but as an intellectual pursuit.

22:02:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically they're just begging for attention at this point.

22:03:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i didn't pick the 7! but i dare to guess that it was chosen out of spite.

22:03:45 mircea_popescu: i didn't pick it either, and i am thankful for not having had to.

22:03:56 mircea_popescu: i certainly am not about to go over the man's picks and "improve em".

22:04:00 mircea_popescu: but even an ant may wonder.

22:07:05 BingoBoingo: Here's the defendan't blog http://sharethezing.blogspot.com/

22:07:07 assbot: Share The Zing ... ( http://bit.ly/1umeE0m )

22:07:43 cazalla: is this related to ddos guy or just random http://dpaste.com/0DZR5J9 ?

22:07:44 assbot: dpaste: 0DZR5J9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1umeGoT )

22:08:54 BingoBoingo: One of the presentencing documents is a prinout of the fucking wikipedia page on Bitcoin

22:09:27 mircea_popescu: cazalla sems random spam

22:09:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo which court is this ?

22:10:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: US Central District of Illinois

22:10:10 mircea_popescu: idiots.

22:11:47 BingoBoingo: The entire witness list consists of one item "Group of Photos"

22:12:34 BingoBoingo: And some illegible name with them Luke something or other

22:13:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1300 @ 0.001205 = 1.5665 BTC [-] {5}

22:13:50 BingoBoingo: And... he plead guilty

22:14:22 mircea_popescu: on advice from his court-provided or else court-owned scamlawyer

22:15:07 mircea_popescu: the crowd of vultures pretending to represent people's interests in the us courts while strictly representing the court's interest in people's lives is one of the most underrated problems of that country.

22:15:20 mircea_popescu: it's like nigeria, except in nigeria you can't find dentists. in the us you can't find lawyers.

22:15:54 BingoBoingo: I'm guessing court appointed, but no way to tell. The only interesting filing was his handwritten filing pre sentencing.

22:17:29 BingoBoingo: Also the "Statement of Reasons" last filing is also unavailable

22:25:00 undata: that top qntra article is sad.

22:25:13 undata: I was working on my own crypto-only exchange for a bit, then thought better of it since I don't have piles of money for lawyers

22:25:16 BingoBoingo: Not much in the documents other than how evil it is to plea guilty because it lets prosecutors become lazy

22:25:18 undata: looks like I made the right choice

22:25:30 undata: side note: bitswap.io is for sale :p

22:28:26 mircea_popescu: the more interesting tyhing is that BingoBoingo is practically becoming a field-trained paralegal.

22:29:04 BingoBoingo: Well, I'm already a university trained librarian. The rest is just getting a vague idea of what the law shit means

22:29:17 mircea_popescu: i guess so.

22:30:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00064929 = 2.4998 BTC [+]

22:33:53 BingoBoingo: Well, the university training wasn't much other than social justice derping as a minority.

22:34:09 BingoBoingo: *surviving

22:35:25 BingoBoingo: Because when they are in the majority the social justic derps oppress, just less competently

22:35:43 BingoBoingo: Which is to everyone's detriment.

22:38:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16476 @ 0.0006518 = 10.7391 BTC [+]

22:40:54 *: BingoBoingo may have called out fellow students for hating on the Football team, by suggested they we hating the way those young men expressed their gender...

22:42:49 *: BingoBoingo also might have suggested the derps were racist for hating the football team because it is one of the most prominent means by which young african americans can achieve upwards social mobility

22:43:07 mats: yeah, and joining the military.

22:43:44 BingoBoingo: Yeah there's that too.

22:43:45 mats: your chances of killing yourself are roughly half!

22:44:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00065278 = 8.4209 BTC [+]

22:44:19 BingoBoingo: I know football presents a greater chance of disability for much more imaginary future money

22:44:32 adlai: do we finally see potus for what it is, just another role on a stage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95KTrtzOY-g

22:44:33 assbot: The Colbert Report - President Obama Delivers The Decree - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlbEbb )

22:44:50 mats: yeah, what is it, like two in three NFL players end up broke after leaving the league?

22:46:01 mats: o wow. even higher. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/story/2012-04-22/Pro-athletes-and-financial-trouble/54465664/1

22:46:04 assbot: Pro athletes and financial trouble – USATODAY.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Glc0OR )

22:46:34 mats: > Sports Illustrated estimated in 2009 that 78 percent of NFL players are bankrupt or facing serious financial stress within two years of ending their playing careers and that 60percent of NBA players are broke within five years of retiring from the game.

22:47:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1667 @ 0.0012 = 2.0004 BTC

22:49:24 BingoBoingo: Yeah, they get that access to so much money so fast

22:50:11 undata: probably not a profession that selects for intelligence to begin with, and it runs a high risk of frontal lobe injury

22:50:48 ben_vulpes: and who said slavery and gladiation was dead!?

22:51:14 BingoBoingo: undata: Well, pretty much any impact related brain injury is possible. Because helmets make people Invincible! Who cares about physics.

22:52:27 undata: BingoBoingo: heh, they even use that animation of the two helmets colliding

22:53:53 BingoBoingo: Even though the players aren't allowed to do that anymore because it is "Targeting" and justifies suspending the SEC sacks leader mid game so Alabama won't have to suffer the possibility of a close game.

22:54:00 mats: the NFL should just get rid of helmets.

22:54:29 BingoBoingo: Prolly, or go back to the doofy leather things

22:54:31 undata: I need a word for this. It's such a common Americanism.

22:54:55 undata: football *certainly isn't* about watching idiots injure each other

22:55:10 undata: like child beauty pagents *certainly aren't* weird quasi-child-porn

22:56:03 undata: ah Orwell already treated it as "war is peace"

22:56:42 undata: BingoBoingo: mats: or just accept that what we're doing is watching people fuck each other up

22:56:50 undata: at least the UFC has very little pretense about that

22:57:32 mats: meh. i don't watch sports on television.

22:58:00 BingoBoingo: The UFC sucks because the matchups aren't competative.

22:59:39 mats: things i do watch: Homeland, The Newsroom, New Girl, Sons of Anarchy, Psycho Pass

22:59:52 mats: if you enjoyed Ghost in the Shell, you'll probably like Psycho Pass.

23:00:35 mats: i lost the battle in giving up TV. i haven't picked up anything new though, so thats a win, i guess

23:02:10 undata: mats: the newsroom is a good show

23:02:51 mats: the last episode was terrible. they should've avoided all commentary about feminazis in the media

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23:03:38 mats: they do alright, generally, but chicks i talk to about it aren't happy with how women are portrayed in the show

23:03:51 mats: their characters are shallow, and apparently don't pass the Bechdel test.

23:03:57 mats: ;;google Bechdel test

23:03:57 gribble: Bechdel test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test; Bechdel Test Movie List: http://bechdeltest.com/; 10 Famous Films That Surprisingly Fail The Bechdel Test: http://filmschoolrejects.com/features/10-famous-films-that-surprisingly-fail-the-bechdel-test.php

23:04:02 undata: yeah I can see that

23:04:23 undata: the various romance subplots are insufferable

23:04:25 mats: the more you know!

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23:23:35 ben_vulpes: what i really want is to listen to strong female characters talking about...what to strong female characters talk about?

23:26:02 mats: whatever the dudes talk about, i suppose.

23:26:47 mats: http://aje.me/1x2Vun8 looks like they're not even going to bother with taking kurdistan first

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23:30:04 mats: http://news.usni.org/2014/12/10/u-s-navy-allowed-use-persian-gulf-laser-defense

23:30:06 assbot: U.S. Navy Allowed to Use Persian Gulf Laser for Defense - USNI News ... ( http://bit.ly/1x3N3Ib )

23:31:44 mats: what a useless and expensive weapon

23:33:46 mircea_popescu: jesus the fruits in this country, i can't get over it.

23:33:53 mircea_popescu: i have never in my life had cherries this good

23:33:57 mircea_popescu: an' romaians are big on cherries.

23:36:23 mircea_popescu: mats http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#comment-110532 wd :)

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23:37:55 mircea_popescu: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/New-Jersey-breast-pump-thief-786543 << the lingering q is how the fuck are lactation aids worth 1k

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