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00:00:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8061 @ 0.00048243 = 3.8889 BTC [-]

00:45:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44112 @ 0.00049274 = 21.7357 BTC [+] {3}

00:45:40 nubbins`: there's a guy selling one of Carl Mark Force IV's business cards

00:45:44 nubbins`: lewell

00:45:59 asciilifeform: h0ly relic ?

00:46:04 nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1281571.0

00:46:17 nubbins`: asciilifeform +1, it's even gilded.

00:47:03 nubbins`: this is almost as impressive as my genesis-block copy of the times

00:57:46 *: danielpbarron has a collection of business cards

00:59:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's card is neat

01:00:25 nubbins`: my card is neat

01:00:40 nubbins`: hand-printed on test print paper

01:00:45 nubbins`: each one yooneek!

01:02:29 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/G0SsJ << l0ls from the st00ge

01:02:29 assbot: Alleged Satoshi Twitter Posts - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU3xc4 )

01:03:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18739 @ 0.00048243 = 9.0403 BTC [-]

01:04:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19611 @ 0.00048052 = 9.4235 BTC [-] {2}

01:04:55 nubbins`: fuckin wanker

01:05:02 nubbins`: we should try to get martin shkreli in here

01:06:33 asciilifeform: meanwhile, the power rangerz declare that signature checking is to be done away with. ( https://news.bitcoin.com/segregated-witness-concept-turning-point-bitcoin )

01:06:34 assbot: The Segregated Witness Concept: A 'Turning Point' for Bitcoin? - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVFVnN )

01:06:43 asciilifeform: because...

01:06:52 asciilifeform: because shuddup terror15t

01:06:54 asciilifeform: or something.

01:09:03 thestringpuller: it's gonna be ugly

01:10:15 asciilifeform: imbeciles are free to spawn altcoinz, and even to trade in their genuine coin for them, no prob.

01:10:29 BingoBoingo: Another one of these http://hackaday.com/2015/12/09/echo-of-the-bunnymen-how-amd-won-then-lost/

01:10:31 assbot: Echo of the Bunnymen: How AMD Won, Then Lost | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU425T )

01:11:14 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i wonder why everyone wants to spam the blockchain so badly

01:11:27 thestringpuller: this whole notion of 7 billion people transacting daily seems...fucktarded

01:11:33 asciilifeform: 'From 2003 until 2006, Intel paid $1 Billion to Dell in exchange not to ship any computers using CPUs made by AMD. Intel held OEMs ransom, encouraging them to only ship Intel CPUs by way of volume discounts and threatening OEMs with low-priority during CPU shortages. Intel engaged in false advertising, and misrepresenting benchmark results. '

01:11:37 thestringpuller: I've sent 3 transactions this year alone.

01:11:59 asciilifeform: ^ intel & microshit, one is nothing without the other

01:12:44 asciilifeform: 'Intel does much more than just silicon. Hidden inside their design centers are the keepers of x86, and this includes the people who write the compilers for x86 processors.' << while there is in fact an intel compiler, the article is here revealed as catastrophically braindamaged

01:13:42 asciilifeform: 'Permanently disabling AMD CPUs through compiler optimizations ensured AMD would not quickly retake this market share.' << wtf

01:13:46 asciilifeform: NOBODY USES INTEL'S COMPILER

01:13:51 asciilifeform: except for a few fortranistas

01:15:05 BingoBoingo: Prolly Red Hat built their GCC with Intel compiler

01:15:21 thestringpuller: i didn't know anyone still used fortran

01:15:40 BingoBoingo: Fortran is great for WWW backends

01:15:41 nubbins`: o.O

01:15:42 thestringpuller: i thought you had to be 50 or older to use it

01:15:44 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it remains ubiquitous in the number-cruncher community

01:15:55 thestringpuller: yea if you have gray hair

01:15:55 nubbins`: you see some bizarre shit in industry

01:16:20 nubbins`: i worked at a company that does ~$1bn in annual revenue, all back-end is accessed via RPG IV

01:16:33 nubbins`: ("what's that?" exactly)

01:17:06 thestringpuller: IBM RPG....i haven't heard that in a loooong time.

01:17:24 nubbins`: still exists

01:17:53 nubbins`: the company literally had to get a local college to offer a course in it, and they sent an employee over to teach it

01:19:19 asciilifeform: the closest thing i know of to a 'puzzle' esolang that is actually used in industry is...

01:19:20 asciilifeform: mumps.

01:19:24 asciilifeform: as seen here, http://thedailywtf.com/articles/A_Case_of_the_MUMPS

01:19:25 assbot: A Case of the MUMPS - The Daily WTF ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU4yRn )

01:20:04 thestringpuller: this is the only esolang I've used: http://esolangs.org/wiki/chef

01:20:19 asciilifeform: 'The primary design goal MUMPS was to create code that, once written, can never be maintained by anyone ever again. The syntax is somewhat reminiscent of FORTRAN and SNOBOL (no, not the toilet cleaner), only much, much worse. Ironically, being inflicted with mumps (the disease) is much more pleasant that actually working with MUMPS (the language). A more apt name for the language certainly would have been EXPLOSIVE-DIARRHEA; I

01:20:19 asciilifeform: ?m sure they could have even worked SNOBOL (the language, or, heck, even the toilet cleaner) in there as well.'

01:20:26 asciilifeform: ^ not an entirely unfair description

01:20:54 asciilifeform: but, interestingly,

01:21:05 asciilifeform: around the time this article was written, i sat down and learned the language

01:21:16 asciilifeform: (for a potential gig that never went through)

01:21:22 asciilifeform: and found it to be quite a pleasant thing, in its own way

01:21:23 nubbins`: "OPERATORS: No precedence, executed left to right, parenthesize as desired. 2+3*10 yields 50."

01:21:28 asciilifeform: in the msdos-and-fuck-you way.

01:24:20 nubbins`: poor bryan

01:51:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41241 @ 0.00049391 = 20.3693 BTC [+]

01:52:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7459 @ 0.00049414 = 3.6858 BTC [+]

02:07:29 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> imbeciles are free to spawn altcoinz, and even to trade in their genuine coin for them, no prob. <<< kinda how socialism works.

02:07:43 mircea_popescu: revolutionize the things, end up trading your vaginal virginity for a pair of jeans

02:07:47 mircea_popescu: and teh anal, for some tp.

02:08:50 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> NOBODY USES INTEL'S COMPILER << mediatards, whats they know.

02:09:39 asciilifeform: it was ridiculous the first time the thing popped up

02:09:45 asciilifeform: in, when... 2006 ?

02:09:46 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> the company literally had to get a local college to offer a course in it, and they sent an employee over to teach it << this is how it should work, actually. all the OTHER courses should be discontinued, pretty much.

02:10:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like that

02:12:29 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "OPERATORS: No precedence, executed left to right, parenthesize as desired. 2+3*10 yields 50." <<< imo this is the symptom of a badly written assembler or w/e the thing is.

02:13:28 asciilifeform: hey strict ll(1) parser

02:13:33 asciilifeform: simplicity!

02:17:35 mircea_popescu: except by the time you're done with paranthesizing it's no longer simple.

02:17:46 asciilifeform: what parenthesizing.

02:17:47 mircea_popescu: in fact the reason precedence even exists is because it's a schelling point for lazy.

02:17:49 asciilifeform: eat one by one.

02:18:00 mircea_popescu: well suppose i don't want 2+3*10 to yield 50

02:18:43 asciilifeform: rpn solves this.

02:24:46 mircea_popescu: i guess.

02:25:08 mircea_popescu: note that if they were sane they'd have said THAT.

02:25:14 mircea_popescu: the fact that they don't makes me... a little wary.

02:36:33 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur

02:36:39 gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 376.670799, vol: 19128.54633847 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 378.431, vol: 115.7018 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 381.402, vol: 13.52976722 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 386.30358, vol: 240304.83800000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 376.70777, vol: 10647.775584 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 384.89, vol: 172.91386498 | Volume-weighted last average: 385.23969499

02:36:49 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

02:36:55 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 414.79, vol: 19128.54633847 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 412.147, vol: 15552.7705 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 417.1, vol: 47160.63996846 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 13.52976722 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 425.374866, vol: 240300.28560000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 412.7, vol: 289.42946321 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 423.76389, vol: 172.91386498 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

02:36:59 BingoBoingo: ;;more

02:36:59 gribble: 422.887495447

03:04:42 danielpbarron: !up nolanbugg

03:19:04 danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.nolanbugg.9:10d6602305c3aa607c5f25a23d2e5d057b189cee4dc0cede030717ca67f1ae61

03:19:05 assbot: Successfully added a rating of 9 for nolanbugg with note: childhood friend, known for 15+ years

03:19:58 BingoBoingo: Welcome nolanbugg

03:20:12 BingoBoingo: Quite an introduction

03:21:50 nolanbugg: daniel insisted i join, it has been a long time since i have used irc

03:22:01 nolanbugg: but it is good company to be in

03:22:24 BingoBoingo: The only better time to join than now is the past.

03:23:43 nolanbugg: yea, i take a long time to do anything but i feel like i have a feel for some of the personalities here, but i have plenty of catching up to do with the logs

03:40:13 BingoBoingo: nolanbugg: !up yourself now

03:46:32 mod6: ;;bc,stats

03:46:34 gribble: Current Blocks: 387589 | Current Difficulty: 7.910238090022598E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 389087 | Next Difficulty In: 1498 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

03:47:17 mod6: Hey, took one guy a whole day to figure out the recipes go in the mind slot :D << lol!

03:47:54 mod6: could have been longer even. can't remember. *blush*

04:39:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00049299 = 11.4127 BTC [-]

04:49:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7840 @ 0.00049296 = 3.8648 BTC [-]

04:49:46 deedbot-: [Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Has History Of Business Bad Blood - http://qntra.net/2015/12/hoaxtoshi-has-history-of-business-bad-blood/

05:02:07 BingoBoingo: "What is PC but verbal form of gentrification?"

05:17:54 mircea_popescu: "helping the economy" ?

05:18:07 mircea_popescu: how goes MobGod

05:18:10 mircea_popescu: i mean mod6

05:21:50 mod6: good! busy.

05:24:03 mod6: got a fair chunk of a script to alter the buildroot .mk files working.

05:24:35 mod6: hoping to test it with the required packages in a test dir on the foundation site this weekend.

05:25:34 mod6: looking forward to that.

05:28:02 mod6: g'night all!

05:29:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40209 @ 0.00048756 = 19.6043 BTC [-]

05:35:02 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 14.99980000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b12

05:59:45 pete_dushenski: http://image.itmedia.co.jp/news/articles/1512/09/kf_iphone_01.jpg <--> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVy3SwkWsAA0cHo.jpg

05:59:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QgFdEk )

05:59:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QgFaZl )

06:01:32 pete_dushenski: "our phone is so epic that we had to rip off a chris bangle design from 20 years ago to just to allow it to function for an entire day without recharging! electric batteries are our future! (tm) (r)"

06:03:57 pete_dushenski: "Saudi Arabia stood accused on Tuesday of trying to wreck the Paris climate summit in order to protect its future as one of the world’s largest oil producers." << wow. 'wreck' is so apt they had to use it twice. 1st su, 2nd us. now the only thing missing is a shiny red star in bahamas' (faux) fur hat and you'd swear you had deja vu.

06:09:08 pete_dushenski: "A US supreme court justice has suggested that black students may benefit from the end of affirmative action admissions policies in US universities because many are “pushed ahead too fast” and should go to “lesser schools” instead."

06:09:19 pete_dushenski: "The comments by Antonin Scalia came as conservatives on the court gave a sympathetic hearing to a white student who claims she was deprived of a place at the University of Texas due to her race."

06:09:26 pete_dushenski: "Abigail Fisher graduated two years ago from Louisiana State University instead, but the court was warned that the number of minority students on US college campuses could “plummet” if her appeal against UT is successful – something Scalia suggested could be no bad thing."

06:09:34 pete_dushenski: "“There are those who contend that it does not benefit African Americans to get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school, where they do well,” he said."

06:10:20 pete_dushenski: "“I’m just not impressed by the fact that the University of Texas may have fewer [black students if the admissions policy changes]. Maybe it ought to have fewer. And maybe, when you take more, the number of blacks, really competent blacks, admitted to lesser schools, turns out to be less,” he added. “I don’t think it stands to reason that it’s a good thing for the University of Texas to admit as many

06:10:20 pete_dushenski: blacks as possible.”"

06:11:20 mircea_popescu: lol, "we accuse this guy of trying to survive. HES A WRECKER!"

06:11:22 pete_dushenski: ^in which scalia pulls the mask off bahamas' incompetent ruse.

06:11:22 mircea_popescu: nuts.

06:11:36 pete_dushenski: totally nuts

06:12:00 pete_dushenski: "your future is the planet's future"

06:13:07 mircea_popescu: anyway. the saudi's have russia's backing, which is what the whole oil glut and cutting bahamas down at the knees was all about. they did their part and the russkis can't afford to sell them out. nor does anyone exist who could make a decent offer, bahamas' is dead broke and the eu is a joke.

06:13:15 pete_dushenski: "your children will survive von luft und liebe!"

06:13:21 mircea_popescu: china's going to stick with them, disinterestedly, quietly.

06:13:23 mircea_popescu: and that's that.

06:14:19 mircea_popescu: the current meaning of the paris accord is, "the decaying west trying to parlay its unavoidable, certain industrial demise into some sort of international subsidies for itself"

06:14:31 pete_dushenski: why can't ruskies afford to sell out saudis ?

06:14:39 mircea_popescu: they'll get a little, but they'll get less than they would gladly take and WAY less than what they'd need to keep the charade going.

06:15:08 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski because without saudis their whole southern flank collapses, and that's how they had a famine in leningrad last time.

06:15:45 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b6

06:15:46 pete_dushenski: saudis needed to keep baku burning ?

06:15:56 mircea_popescu: that's unclear.

06:16:16 pete_dushenski: aha

06:17:08 mircea_popescu: anyway, they should have met in rome.

06:17:27 mircea_popescu: that's traditionally where these grand adventures against abstractions predicated on a shortage of currency traditionally started

06:17:32 mircea_popescu: back when they were called "the crusades"

06:18:27 pete_dushenski: a millennia is too long of a historical recollection for idjits still using last century's slurs.

06:19:01 mircea_popescu: we wish the dukes and counts the best of luck in aleppo, and we move on to more important matters.

06:19:33 BingoBoingo: again

06:20:43 BingoBoingo: Now in other news... It's the right thing to refer to segregated witness as "Jim Crow" for signatures?

06:22:13 BingoBoingo: Or maybe more specifically "Jim Crow For Signatures On Blockchain"

06:22:50 BingoBoingo: Thoughts on this phrasing before it enters the media cycle?

06:29:45 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b12

06:43:15 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b14

06:49:26 pete_dushenski: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/satoshis-pgp-keys-are-probably-backdated-and-point-to-a-hoax << speaking of which, adlai

06:49:28 assbot: Satoshi's PGP Keys Are Probably Backdated and Point to a Hoax | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiEGw )

06:50:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00049299 = 6.3842 BTC [+] {2}

06:50:37 pete_dushenski: nyooz at 11, wright's a lazy scammer. myth. busted.

06:52:43 pete_dushenski: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/12/08/obamas-speech-about-san-bernardino/ << notterribad.

06:52:44 assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama’s speech about San Bernardino ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiTl8 )

06:52:57 punkman: I don't think at this point you can ever have the "real" satoshi

06:53:16 punkman: maybe you can have a believable one, but it can't be proven

06:53:27 pete_dushenski: oh ?

06:54:06 punkman: suppose Craig had whatever keys you want him to have. who's to say he didn't steal them sometime in the past 5 years

06:57:09 pete_dushenski: i was about to saw that an alien invasion was more likely than satoshi leaving his privkeys open to any sort of theft, then i remember his affinity for dsa and winbloze...

06:57:19 pete_dushenski: s/say/saw

06:58:36 pete_dushenski: punkman: there are presumably questions that one could ask of any potential "satoshi" during an interrogation

06:58:58 pete_dushenski: this would at least weed out the very poor actors who hadn't spent 2-3 years memorising minutiae

07:01:12 BingoBoingo: This really doesn't look like the first time Hoaxtoshi has keep up a con for multiple years

07:01:45 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b4

07:02:15 punkman: pete_dushenski: sure, we can weed out the weak satoshis just by reading X lines of text they've written

07:06:13 punkman: I certainly can't think of any question or piece of data that'd prove the satoshi.

07:07:48 mircea_popescu: which is exactly what the man wanted, apparently.

07:09:28 punkman: can't wait for a believable satoshi though, will be fun

07:10:14 mircea_popescu: like the non-dumb politician, or the well read pundit, or so forth.

07:12:35 mircea_popescu: but in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9e003947beacd65a21eed3227d66c17c/tumblr_n5sr97TCCA1qkgs0xo1_1280.jpg

07:12:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGkxmz )

07:17:22 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/pfHdWCI.png

07:17:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGkYxg )

07:17:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7591 @ 0.00048759 = 3.7013 BTC [-]

07:18:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17709 @ 0.00048725 = 8.6287 BTC [-]

07:22:14 deedbot-: [Qntra] After XT Failure Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain - http://qntra.net/2015/12/after-xt-failure-gavin-andresen-supports-jim-crow-for-signatures-on-the-blockchain/

07:23:14 pete_dushenski: see, and here i was wondering what the fuck the shitgnomes were up to now. qntra to the rescue !

07:24:29 BingoBoingo: Thank you pete_dushenski for editting the editor

07:25:13 pete_dushenski: np at all

07:30:20 punkman: "disposable structure known as a "witness" that does not get committed to the blockchain" << sigs still stored in blockchain last time I looked

07:30:55 pete_dushenski: i only edited grammar, i only edited grammar !!1

07:31:48 *: pete_dushenski can't do all BingoBoingo's work ;/

07:31:51 BingoBoingo: punkman: Not with the new derp

07:31:59 BingoBoingo: If implemented

07:33:24 BingoBoingo: punkman: The entire point of this derpology is making more space for transactions by kicking signatures out of blocks

07:36:33 punkman: what new derp? SPV/pruning/sig-check-skipping nodes exist already

07:37:50 BingoBoingo: punkman: New derp is 1MB blocks that hold transactions of 1.7-4 MB blocks because no signatures in block.

07:38:03 BingoBoingo: "Scalibility"

07:38:14 BingoBoingo: Like lizards see

07:38:24 punkman: the worst part is that new core nodes won't be sending witness data to old nodes

07:39:34 BingoBoingo: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011936.html

07:39:35 assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Not this again. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGmXlc )

07:39:51 punkman: lol

07:40:28 pete_dushenski: "Nowadays I ask computer-science faculty candidates to explain their view on the ethical responsibilities of computer scientists. Some respond like a deer in headlights, unsure what such a question could even mean." << via http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf

07:40:29 assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1N1Y401 )

07:40:48 pete_dushenski: ^speaking of morals and ethics

07:41:16 pete_dushenski: "The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by Phillip Rogaway"

07:42:04 pete_dushenski: the kid can seriously cite sources, i'll give him that.

07:43:16 punkman: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/011935.html

07:43:17 assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Segregated Witness features wish list ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWxcwA )

07:43:59 deedbot-: [Qntra] Satoshi: Craig Steven Wright Not Me, We All Are Me - http://qntra.net/2015/12/satoshi-craig-steven-wright-not-me-we-all-are-me/

07:44:24 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: 'visTomail'

07:44:41 BingoBoingo: ty fxd

07:56:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35450 @ 0.00049299 = 17.4765 BTC [+]

08:03:27 fluffypony: punkman I have an idea

08:03:41 fluffypony: every time there's a new feature we just create a new separate chain

08:03:52 fluffypony: and then in the old chain we just store pointers to data in the new chain

08:04:03 fluffypony: no more hard forks ever, and you have thousands of useless zombie nodes

08:05:54 BingoBoingo: That's basically what this Jim Crow thing is

08:06:17 fluffypony: yup

08:07:31 pete_dushenski: "Taleb’s tantrum is reprehensible, but at the end of the day it’s his own business whether he is willing to listen to actual experts. He does more harm by setting a bad example. He’s not just refusing to engage opposing opinions himself, he’s encouraging his readers and followers to do it too"

08:08:56 pete_dushenski: "This isn’t just bad manners, it’s destructive. Taleb is intentionally tearing down the kind of back-and-forth conversations that are critical to helping laypeople (like himself) form educated opinions about the safety of GMOs and other scientific subjects. And he’s doing with ugly, personal insults that demonize the other side of the debate, just because it’s fun. It’s a terrible, foolish strategy." <

08:08:57 pete_dushenski: < boohoo everyone should be a middle class conformist and comport themselves with only the flattest and shallowest mannerisms and phraseologies.

08:09:09 pete_dushenski: http://violentmetaphors.com/2015/08/14/good-science-communication-means-never-calling-them-retard-even-if-youre-nassim-taleb/

08:09:10 assbot: Good science communication means never calling them “retard” – even if you’re Nassim Taleb – Violent metaphors ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWyPKC )

08:10:21 pete_dushenski: "By trying to disqualify everyone who disagrees with him from civilized debate, Taleb and those who follow his tactics merely disqualify themselves." << bwahaha who's disqualified again ? oh, that's right, it's 'the people', 'us', 'we', (women), etc.

08:11:27 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

08:11:30 pete_dushenski: if you can't put your personal feelings to the side, you have no place in civilised discourse and debate. period.

08:11:33 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 411.9, vol: 16099.86267219 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 409.923, vol: 12284.00268 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 413.37, vol: 39668.32493164 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 1.96139836 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 422.697093, vol: 125581.98560000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 414.10999, vol: 258.92544114 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 417.886, vol: 146.39836446 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

08:11:34 BingoBoingo: ;;more

08:11:34 gribble: average: 419.070693236

08:12:56 BingoBoingo: Invisibru https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w6zdh/gavin_andresen_supports_jim_crow_for_signatures/

08:12:57 assbot: Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWz2NT )

08:13:09 BingoBoingo: !up BashCo ^

08:15:56 pete_dushenski: from same fishcrap, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3w48d8/p2pool_release_150_hardfork_upgrade_urgently/

08:15:57 assbot: P2Pool release 15.0 - HARDFORK - Upgrade URGENTLY required. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWOCAO )

08:16:25 BingoBoingo: Physics https://archive.is/ewr9L

08:16:26 assbot: Praise be to the Higgs Broson, the swoliest particle known to man : swoleacceptance ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWOEst )

08:16:34 pete_dushenski: that btc miners would go to reddit for their latest news is pretty mindboggling

08:17:07 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta realize P2P isn't the big miners

08:17:44 pete_dushenski: that's a point.

08:18:52 pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, eth below 0.002 and dropping. i think we've got a nail-biter on our hands !

08:19:19 BingoBoingo: lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10709402

08:19:20 assbot: > Edit to add PS: Also what is Satoshi's original mail. I hope satoshi@vistomail... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWP0PK )

08:23:10 BingoBoingo: The only fitness question that mattershttps://archive.is/JOiuz

08:23:25 *: pete_dushenski guesses : 10 chin-ups ?

08:24:10 pete_dushenski: wtf is swoleacceptance ?

08:25:34 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's basically body acceptance for people who don't suck.

08:27:30 pete_dushenski: aha 'juice monkeys'

08:28:26 *: pete_dushenski to bed. bon soir !

08:28:58 BingoBoingo: Swolepression is real https://i.imgur.com/hnEchw8.jpg

08:29:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWA0tw )

08:32:41 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/YZfjT

08:32:42 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWAct0 )

08:42:00 BingoBoingo: This is in contrast to: "We had one huge manlet of a kid in junior high. 14 years old probably 300+ pounds at about 5'4. We all hated the kid not just because he was fat and stunk like shit, he was a massive nerd and a complete prick. Some shitlord brought up the fact that he smells so bad because he probably can't fit in the shower, so we took a pink highlighter, not a permanent marker, and highlighted his arm to test the bathing

08:42:00 BingoBoingo: theory. Fucking mark was on his arm for at least two weeks."

08:47:01 BingoBoingo: !up Birdman

08:53:55 Birdman: not sure if its because of the thread q difference now or what but the yield in my mining has been up between 5-10%, while my hit rate has gone from 70-80% to ~40%

08:54:46 punkman: what is hit rate?

08:56:03 Birdman: im sorry it wasn't meant for this channel

08:56:14 punkman: aww

09:04:06 BingoBoingo: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV1UJKWWoAEFJpl.jpg

09:04:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2s3uN )

09:13:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00048725 = 22.4622 BTC [-] {2}

10:22:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16981 @ 0.00048725 = 8.274 BTC [-]

11:19:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23860 @ 0.00048602 = 11.5964 BTC [-] {2}

12:10:47 jurov: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png intel miners on?

12:10:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1jPWp5e )

12:11:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00048367 = 11.5113 BTC [-]

12:16:07 punkman: nice

12:18:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48800 @ 0.00048336 = 23.588 BTC [-] {2}

12:49:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19540 @ 0.00048493 = 9.4755 BTC [+]

13:03:04 mircea_popescu: sooo... here's an idea for a consumer company : dropship nuts.

13:03:30 mircea_popescu: have a website, with a selection of nut packages. some serving sizes of peanuts, pistachios, whatever.

13:03:42 mircea_popescu: then allow user to specify an image file and an address

13:03:53 mircea_popescu: print the image on the package and mail them over.

13:04:02 mircea_popescu: call it Deez Nuts

13:04:24 mircea_popescu: or w/e, Dee'z Nuts. have Dee the DD blondy your mascot, you can re-use all the godaddy advertising gimmicks.

13:09:26 mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do it ? you need a few k sq ft of warehouse, somewhere where it's cheap (michigan ?), a coupla packaging machines, a plastic printer and a few workers, no prior skills required that's it. 50k for advertising 50k for the gear gets you wll going. buy the nuts in bulk for cents, sell the packs for dollars, you're looking at 99% margins.

13:19:18 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's remarkable how plainly dedicated to wrecking bitcoin the usg agents are, huh.

13:19:45 mircea_popescu: "oh, so you exposed us ? whatever, redditards still depend on usg for their daily survival, and are dumb anyway. so we'll just carry on, but this time without shame"

13:20:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, nice write-up.

13:21:29 mircea_popescu: mod6 perhaps an announcement that the bitcoin foundation maintains and will continue to maintain a real bitcoin client, notwithstanding continued attacks from well known usg agents on the core values of sound money ?

13:23:17 punkman: http://i.imgur.com/mgByuTB.jpg

13:23:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2SPmM )

13:23:52 mircea_popescu: <punkman> the worst part is that new core nodes won't be sending witness data to old nodes <<< guess why.

13:24:50 mircea_popescu: they want a fork. they failed to ghet the xt fork going, they're back to pretending like they're in after spending a year pretending like reddit/xtcoin was anything but outsourced philipinos. and now the pretense is that you know, whatever, nobody knows anything of the last year, nobody learned anythning, we'll just do... this. which is that.

13:25:23 mircea_popescu: punkman no but this is with a z see

13:25:53 mircea_popescu: anyway, the truth of the matter is that the usg-dole livers don't belong in bitcoin. not in any other sense than they CAN NOT be in bitcoin. simply impossible.

13:25:58 mircea_popescu: so they'll find their way out, and good riddance.

13:31:36 mircea_popescu: next time you feel the itch to "drive adoption", specially to poor/stupid people, think that giving a car to a guy living in a horsepulled cart doesn't help him.

13:31:57 mircea_popescu: and it does create a mess for the people on the highway.

13:40:58 mircea_popescu: midnightmagic http://qntra.net/2015/12/after-xt-failure-gavin-andresen-supports-jim-crow-for-signatures-on-the-blockchain/#comment-81695 << see ? why even bother. \

13:40:59 assbot: After XT Failure Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQ8HdO )

13:52:23 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/0aLpT << lulz at the trezor/"bitcoin speculation" derp. seriously, "there exists consensus" ? tardstalk references ? le sigh already.

13:52:23 assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Segregated Witness features wish list ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQafEG )

13:56:23 mircea_popescu: "Okay. So I am Pieter Wuille. I'll be talking about segregated witness for Bitcoin. Before I can explain this, I want to give some context. We all know how bitcoin transactions work. Every bitcoin transaction gets inputs, which refer to previous outputs being spent. Every input has the txid and the signature to prove that it is allowed, plus an amount and script in every output. What this presentation will mostly be ab

13:56:23 mircea_popescu: out is the question of whether all of this data is equally important.

13:56:23 mircea_popescu: In particular, we are going to be talking about signatures. It's important to realize here that signatures are really only needed for fully-validating nodes. As a light-weight client, you are not validating signatures, even though they are part of the transactions you still have to download them. If you are using a full-node that is syncing historical data, you don't actually validate all of the signatures in there. Cu

13:56:26 mircea_popescu: rrently there is a mechanism in there using checkpoints, which we want to deprecate soon, but the result will still be that we're not validating all signatures from years ago in deep history."

13:56:31 mircea_popescu: herp. and this isn't something that should be fixed, rite.

13:56:38 mircea_popescu: no, it's "industry standard" eh ?

14:00:50 mircea_popescu: !rate sipa -10 moved on to work on wrecking bitcoin.

14:00:50 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/48186f880d4bcfc0

14:01:35 mircea_popescu: !rate sipa -10 moved on to work on wrecking bitcoin. see https://archive.is/03a9R#selection-131.0-139.533

14:01:35 assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/c0eca0ff96891b90

14:01:35 assbot: segregated-witness-and-its-impact-on-scalability ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQbB2q )

14:01:54 mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.sipa.-10:1a26db89a81ce7908b35e80bcfc1c5db9088d9b331b2aee2d10218a41c226c5c

14:01:54 assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for sipa with note: moved on to work on wrecking bitcoin. see https://archive.is/03a9R#selection-131.0-139.533

14:02:04 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth

14:02:04 gribble: (eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.

14:02:08 mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu

14:02:09 gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452

14:02:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12036 @ 0.00048923 = 5.8884 BTC [+] {2}

14:02:36 mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:feaed86ad30df427690c0e066ea0461853b2511a08790892239c341f

14:02:37 gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452

14:02:48 mircea_popescu: ;;rate sipa -10 moved on to work on wrecking bitcoin. see https://archive.is/03a9R#selection-131.0-139.533

14:02:49 assbot: segregated-witness-and-its-impact-on-scalability ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQbB2q )

14:02:49 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user sipa has been recorded.

14:03:36 mircea_popescu: and since we're doing vermin for some reason this morning, check out https://archive.is/iMqlE

14:03:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQc7NF )

14:04:02 mircea_popescu: scammers & usg agents decide the actual wot is kinda unfriendly to their ilk, "reboot" it. because yeah, totally, that's how it works.

14:05:13 mircea_popescu: Christopher Allen Former CTO Certicom Co-Author TLS 1.0 ; Jon Callas Former CTO of PGP Now CTO Silent Circle ; Greg Maxwell Bitcoin Core Maintainer CTO Blockstream ; Peter Todd Bitcoin Core Contributor ; Greg Slepak OKTurtles and DNSChain ; Markus Sabadello OASIS XDI Internet Identity ; Vitalik Buterin Founder of Ethereum and Bitcoin Magazine ; F. Randall Farmer Author of "Building Web Reputation Systems" ; Pie

14:05:13 mircea_popescu: ter Wuille Co-founder at Blockstream Bitcoin Core Developer ; Kiara Robles Creator of blockchainMe ; Juan Benet Creator of IPFS Founder of Protocol Labs ; Alex Leverington Core Developer Ethereum ; Tyler Close Access control thinker and implementer ; Ryan Shea Co-founder Onename ; Muneeb Ali Co-founder Onename ; Drummond Reed Co-Founder & CTO Respect Network ; Matthew Schutte Co-Founder at Collaborative Advanta

14:05:15 mircea_popescu: ge ; Joseph Bonneau Applied Crypto Group ; Jude Nelson Syndicate Private Cloud Storage ; Michael Folkson Founder of RiskBazaar ; Noah Thorp Co-Founder Citizen Code ; Harlan T Wood Citizen Code Enlightened Structure ; Duke Dorje Citizen Code Formerly PGP ; Joel Dietz Citizen Code Founder of Swarm ; Patrick Deegan CTO of Personal BlackBox ; John Edge Cofounder & Chairman Identity2020 ; Justin Newton Netki Foun

14:05:20 mircea_popescu: der and CEO ; Wayne Thayer VP of Security Products at GoDaddy

14:05:22 mircea_popescu: ^ kill list, for future convenience.

14:10:33 shinohai: It's like whitewashing a fence!

14:12:17 mircea_popescu: "The reason for this name is because signatures are not part of the transaction. They don't describe what the transaction is doing." herpitty derp, fancy that!

14:13:04 mircea_popescu: "Wouldn't it be nice to just drop the signatures? The reason why we can't do this is because the signature is part of the transaction hash. If we would just drop the sig from the transaction, the block wouldn't validate, you wouldn't be able to prove an output spend came from that transaction, so that's not something we could do. But let's simplify the problem. What if we could redesign Bitcoin from scratch? What if yo

14:13:04 mircea_popescu: u're designing an altcoin, there's really no reason why you would want to do this in Bitcoin. This is actually something we did in sidechain alpha."

14:13:05 mircea_popescu: mmkay.

14:13:20 mircea_popescu: "You would mark the signature data as special. You are indicated by green color on this slide. Everything but the green part goes into the hash of a transaction. The signature doesn't. It's just a piece of data that's still there, but we don't consider it part of the transaction.

14:13:20 mircea_popescu: This redesign would allow you to drop this data."

14:13:33 mircea_popescu: is there no honest man that ever worked for a university ?

14:14:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120550 @ 0.00048362 = 58.3004 BTC [-] {7}

14:17:47 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the strategy is to throw turds at bitcoin 'until one sticks.' there is a squad devoted to throwing large ones (e.g., xt, 'segregated' nonsense, etc) and another for smaller ones (weird and useless tx types, etc)

14:18:44 mircea_popescu: aha

14:18:50 mircea_popescu: well, i guess it's time for an article, what can i say.

14:18:55 asciilifeform: the 'embrace & extinguish' busienss is tried&true usg vs linux

14:19:02 asciilifeform: (notice, it largely... worked)

14:19:16 mircea_popescu: no money in linux.

14:19:42 asciilifeform: big money in continued microshitification though.

14:22:51 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340306 << this is the umpteenth attempt, but - iirc - the only one thus far to reference the ~actual~ wot, in the 'embrace&extinguish' sense

14:22:51 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 14:04:02; mircea_popescu: scammers & usg agents decide the actual wot is kinda unfriendly to their ilk, "reboot" it. because yeah, totally, that's how it works.

14:23:09 asciilifeform: in the keybase vs actual-pgp sense

14:23:15 mircea_popescu: aha

14:26:02 asciilifeform: none of the idiot heresies are even in any sense new. 'multisig', for instance, is simply 1990s clinton key escrow, 'old wine in new bottle'

14:29:12 mircea_popescu: aha

14:29:22 mircea_popescu: a bottle made of tin foil.

14:36:12 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340188 << it was discussed a week or so ago

14:36:12 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 07:40:28; pete_dushenski: "Nowadays I ask computer-science faculty candidates to explain their view on the ethical responsibilities of computer scientists. Some respond like a deer in headlights, unsure what such a question could even mean." << via http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf

14:36:39 asciilifeform: ^ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-12-2015#1334630

14:36:39 assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 18:09:50; ascii_field: from the l0ltr0ns: http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf >>>>> http://dpaste.com/02AW7SH.txt

14:37:32 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340227 << lulzy indeed: 'I feel that in the interest of disclosure I should inform you that I am one of the moderators of the bitcoin-dev mailing list and I approved that email. I regret it already.' (kanzure)

14:37:32 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:19:19; BingoBoingo: lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10709402

14:37:52 asciilifeform: now kanzure (hi! and whatcha still doing here) is an interesting fella.

14:38:20 asciilifeform: made his richez young, and theoretically wants for nothing, but still was somehow tempted to join the usgification-of-bitcoin crowd. long ago.

14:39:01 asciilifeform: perhaps they took his mother, or his dog, hostage, whatever.

14:39:18 mircea_popescu: or perhaps he's amoral for reason of mental retardation.

14:39:38 asciilifeform: if anybody gives a shit, walk into #bitcoin-wizards and ask him.

14:40:00 asciilifeform: ('wizards' is where they spend all day thinking of what shit-to-bolt-on-the-side-of-the-kalash)

14:40:32 asciilifeform: !s bitcoin-wizards

14:40:33 assbot: 10 results for 'bitcoin-wizards' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoin-wizards

14:40:44 mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, really.

14:41:05 asciilifeform: it is entertaining, and i occasionally read their logz for lulz

14:41:07 mircea_popescu: i nten million bars all over the world a hundred million derps spend hours discussing what shit they'd stick to the sides of kardashian, also

14:41:24 asciilifeform: these folks are fully convinced that they are 'the ~cerebral~ #bitcoin-assets'

14:42:10 asciilifeform: and virtually the whole rogue's gallery of gavinistas etc. who were shown their latrine place here, have reappeared there.

14:46:24 mircea_popescu: well... good for 'em neh ?

14:46:28 mircea_popescu: tis a free world.

14:48:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111000 @ 0.00047337 = 52.5441 BTC [-] {8}

14:49:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00047252 = 24.9254 BTC [-] {2}

14:52:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340251 << l0l, miner usgocalypse ?

14:52:15 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 12:10:47; jurov: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png intel miners on?

14:54:29 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340273 << tell it to intel and the belching smokestacks of the 14nm fabs

14:54:29 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 13:25:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, the truth of the matter is that the usg-dole livers don't belong in bitcoin. not in any other sense than they CAN NOT be in bitcoin. simply impossible.

14:59:27 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 perhaps an announcement that the bitcoin foundation maintains and will continue to maintain a real bitcoin client, notwithstanding continued attacks from well known usg agents on the core values of sound money ? << sounds good, will write something up by EOD.

14:59:34 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/1bjpD << some mild lulz (for entomologists strictly)

14:59:35 assbot: I fear gwern has gone off the deep end on this one, situation is getting ridicul... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1lxi2sW )

15:02:35 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340160 << not especially hard to prove that a particular imbecile ~isn't~, however. e.g., sit him down and ask a few basic q's re: the src.

15:02:35 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 07:06:13; punkman: I certainly can't think of any question or piece of data that'd prove the satoshi.

15:03:04 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/

15:03:05 assbot: There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1lxiG9S )

15:03:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess you might enjoy.

15:03:25 asciilifeform: this can even be conveniently done in a 'coke machine' setup, where a robotic instrument of torture discourages contrived malingering mistakes

15:03:31 *: asciilifeform reads

15:07:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how in satan's name does one produce 'verifiable death certificate' ?

15:07:30 asciilifeform: afaik the historical gold standard is... the head

15:07:31 mircea_popescu: never you mind. we're talking to idiots here.

15:07:46 mircea_popescu: things aren't what they are, they're what the packaging says they are.

15:07:48 mircea_popescu: and so...

15:09:58 mircea_popescu: and yeah re the src point : /me would enjoy a show conssiting of alf crossexamining pretenders.

15:10:08 *: asciilifeform would also enjoy.

15:10:41 asciilifeform: and i can think of a buncha other folks here who could readily play the part of the fella with the hot soldering iron

15:13:05 asciilifeform: 'Nodes means "fully validating" nodes. The other version, the faux-nodes, the "not really nodes", the "I can't believe it's not a node" SPV nonsense are the ones that require the specification just like when an honest man meets a thief the honest man is Jim and the thief is Jeff the Thief - not the other fucking way around.' << gold

15:13:07 *: asciilifeform fallz down

15:16:12 mircea_popescu: it's hysterical tho, last year they were all "oh noes, moore's law, infinity resources, must make blocks infinitesize"

15:16:28 mircea_popescu: this year they're all "oh noes, scarce resources, must replace blockchain with a napkin"

15:16:34 mircea_popescu: da fuck already.

15:17:55 mircea_popescu: why would you need to purge anything, i thought usgavin had consensused with a bunch of experts as to how there's plenty of room for everything.

15:19:45 thestringpuller: i see mircea_popescu is not happy with PW's SW

15:20:15 deedbot-: [fraudsters] There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. - http://fraudsters.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/

15:39:10 mircea_popescu: aww... experiencing a little bit o' ddos, somehow. back shortly.

16:06:13 davout: mircea_popescu: "Valid Bitcoin addresses start with a "1"" <<< since when?

16:08:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00049299 = 3.4509 BTC [+]

16:16:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.0004907 = 28.1171 BTC [-] {2}

16:19:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7723 @ 0.0004907 = 3.7897 BTC [-] {2}

16:24:37 mircea_popescu: davout since forever.

16:24:40 mircea_popescu: what, it changed ?

16:36:51 thestringpuller: yea you can put 3 in front of it

16:36:54 thestringpuller: and it's a multisig!!!!!!

16:37:19 mircea_popescu: never heard of it.

16:37:26 thestringpuller: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/List_of_address_prefixes << some sauce for you

16:37:39 mircea_popescu: that's ok, i don't much read social media.

16:38:16 thestringpuller: !b 2

16:38:18 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2HK5V9Q.txt )

16:51:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00048567 = 2.1855 BTC [-] {2}

16:58:06 mircea_popescu: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/03/introducing-rr.html << for some obscure reason, rr joins the pile of all the other attempts at record/replay. along with mozilla itself.

16:58:07 assbot: Well, I'm Back: Introducing rr ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhnmNt )

16:58:09 mircea_popescu: odd how this works.

17:03:27 mircea_popescu: getting back to yest's lulzthread, https://hbr.org/2014/08/venture-capitalists-get-paid-well-to-lose-money

17:03:28 assbot: Venture Capitalists Get Paid Well to Lose Money ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhnY5K )

17:03:36 mircea_popescu: "2013 had all the signs of being a comeback year for venture capital. Booming public equities and a recovered IPO market generated record portfolio company exits and distributions from VC funds. The industry realized its highest returns since the Internet boom.

17:03:36 mircea_popescu: Yet 2013 annual industry performance data from Cambridge Associates shows that venture capital continues to underperform the S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell 2000."

17:03:47 mircea_popescu: 2015 has moar hype, less wealth. and 2016...

17:05:44 mircea_popescu: "But the bigger problem ? and the real problem for investors ? is how little of a problem this persistent underperformance is for VCs themselves. LPs have created and perpetuate an industry of such structural economic misalignment that VCs can underperform and not only survive, but thrive."

17:06:30 mircea_popescu: i fully expect the 2016 sv vc verbiage to be all about special pleading of the "employee contracts" sort seen this year. "we lose a lot of money but want you to somehow believe everything that exists is due us!"

17:06:37 mircea_popescu: vapid housewife standard fare.

17:09:05 mircea_popescu: VCs barely invest in their own funds. The ?market standard? is for VCs to personally invest 1% of the fund size, and for investors to contribute the remaining 99%. <<

17:09:25 mircea_popescu: the best part is that this works out to a 50% discount for the first year. basically, they;re out there selling adjustable APR mortgages to suckers.

17:09:29 mircea_popescu: and the [same] suckers are buying.

17:12:25 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

17:14:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6273 @ 0.00048751 = 3.0582 BTC [+] {2}

17:15:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340202 << and nobody will ever notice or care, either. you've perhaps noticed the conferences get smaller and smaller and the attendance ever more obscure.

17:15:15 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:04:03; fluffypony: no more hard forks ever, and you have thousands of useless zombie nodes

17:15:20 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340403 << this is an ancient idea

17:15:20 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 16:58:06; mircea_popescu: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/03/introducing-rr.html << for some obscure reason, rr joins the pile of all the other attempts at record/replay. along with mozilla itself.

17:15:33 mircea_popescu: so it is.

17:15:40 mircea_popescu: just discussing his observation it never went anywhere.

17:15:53 ascii_field: the reason that nobody ever ~did it right~ - and not gdb, either - is the ridiculous qty of not only bandwidth, but FAST storage, required.

17:16:21 ascii_field: gotta record every flipped bit of register, BUT ALSO OF RAM

17:16:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340205 << from http://violentmetaphors.com/2015/08/14/good-science-communication-means-never-calling-them-retard-even-if-youre-nassim-taleb/ and do we actually know taleb's NOT reading b-a ?

17:16:26 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:07:31; pete_dushenski: "Taleb’s tantrum is reprehensible, but at the end of the day it’s his own business whether he is willing to listen to actual experts. He does more harm by setting a bad example. He’s not just refusing to engage opposing opinions himself, he’s encouraging his readers and followers to do it too"

17:16:28 assbot: Good science communication means never calling them “retard” – even if you’re Nassim Taleb – Violent metaphors ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWyPKC )

17:16:29 ascii_field: and satan help you if your program actually does any i/o.

17:16:33 mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware they say retard on ws.

17:16:59 ascii_field: herr taleb, iirc, is self-funded, says whatever the fuck he pleases

17:17:42 mircea_popescu: "Taleb has been kicking up the dust lately on Facebook and Twitter, encouraging his readers to not even listen to people who disagree with his beliefs about GMOs." << apparently encouraging readers to not erven listen to people who know better than to buy in the "rape" narrative, or the "global warming" narrative is a-ok. the problems only start when power exists unalligned to the usg, then the means are VERY BAD!!11

17:21:42 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340385 << everything but hat3sp33ch!1111 e.g. sigs

17:21:42 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 15:17:55; mircea_popescu: why would you need to purge anything, i thought usgavin had consensused with a bunch of experts as to how there's plenty of room for everything.

17:21:54 mircea_popescu: aok

17:22:11 mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats

17:22:16 gribble: Current Blocks: 387713 | Current Difficulty: 7.910238090022598E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 389087 | Next Difficulty In: 1374 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

17:22:47 mircea_popescu: funny tho, so their target is "bitcoin community" < 6months old ?

17:22:50 *: ascii_field sees the '7.91....' and immediately thinks 'pretty good!111' but then remember he isn't looking at 'ent'

17:23:27 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340224 << actually p2p is all the tiny confuseled derps.

17:23:27 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:17:07; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta realize P2P isn't the big miners

17:23:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4110 @ 0.00049298 = 2.0261 BTC [+] {2}

17:23:42 mircea_popescu: ascii_field lol

17:23:50 mircea_popescu: it does say E!

17:23:51 ascii_field: actually p2p is, for the most part, the botnetz

17:24:09 *: ascii_field had no idea anyone still bothered

17:26:08 mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV1UJKWWoAEFJpl.jpg <<< ah, the leah goodman derp still involved in all this ?

17:26:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2s3uN )

17:26:13 mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people lmao.

17:28:28 mircea_popescu: "So there are two possibilities here. One is that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto. The other is that Wright has been conducting an elaborate, year-long con to convince the world that he is Satoshi Nakamoto." mno... timmy boy. the third which is really the only one that matters, is that http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2015#1339534

17:28:28 assbot: Logged on 09-12-2015 11:13:57; mircea_popescu: anyway, so the point of the "is random derp X ?" (no) article was so that reuters could run a piece saying "Australian police raided the Sydney home and office on Wednesday of a man named by Wired magazine as the probable creator of bitcoin and holder of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of the cryptocurrency, Reuters witnesses said."

17:29:44 mircea_popescu: and of course, so that tim lee/vox can say "If Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, he will instantly become the most prominent person in the Bitcoin world."

17:30:26 mircea_popescu: im guessing if the "swj" update to bitcoin goes the same way the xt update goes, usg is going to discover that really, gavin has no objection to wearing a going to wear a satoshi costume permanently ?

17:30:59 mircea_popescu: "oh, we discovered the real-real-real one, it's this derp, and as vox said, this now makes him the most important rite ?"

17:31:08 ascii_field: the other enigma is,

17:31:21 ascii_field: was it really so impossible to find a halfway-convincing actor ?

17:31:26 ascii_field: e.g. somebody literate

17:34:15 mircea_popescu: same thing as "properlly spelled spam" i guess.

17:36:09 mircea_popescu: ascii_field http://nodes.p2pool.co/ < minefast.coincadence.com 78 TH/s ; elizium.name 22 TH/s ; xt.warp2pool.eu 18 TH/s ; galactica.geekgalaxy.com 15 TH/s ; cammello.agaland.it 9 TH/s ; 108.31.56.9 6 TH/s ; p2pool.science 4 TH/s ; 75.101.102.41 2 TH/s ; p2pool.servebeer.com1 TH/s

17:36:10 assbot: P2Pool.co Node Scanner ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qhr9dS )

17:37:30 mircea_popescu: most of it is random "seo experts" front.

17:39:08 mircea_popescu: PO Box 110211 Stamford, CT 06911-0211 United States. of http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Scammers-Demand-Money-Threaten-to-Kill-Stamford-Residents-290678861.html fame.

17:39:10 assbot: Scammers Demand Money, Threaten to Kill Stamford Residents | NBC Connecticut ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhrpcM )

17:39:17 HeySteve: mircea_popescu, do you really want Pieter Wuille's blood on your hands?

17:39:51 mircea_popescu: say wut ?

17:39:57 HeySteve: you've made your point but that's going too far

17:40:43 mircea_popescu: you're one to judge this ?

17:40:59 HeySteve: any sane person will make this judgement

17:41:12 mircea_popescu: then any sane person will do something else with their time, i guess.

17:41:38 HeySteve: this will only undermine opposition to SW

17:41:50 mircea_popescu: you're one to judge this ?

17:42:37 HeySteve: I might not be the best person to judge the technical issues. but to judge murder for hire? yes, why not

17:42:52 HeySteve: I wish you would reconsider, this is madness

17:44:32 mircea_popescu: tell you what : the oposition to xt was... me. that you or any other "sane persons" jumped on later on or not is relatively irrelevant. and, for that matter, the opposition to pirate was also me. and everything in between - me. meanwhile "sane persons" were busy with derping at me about how "mpoe-pr is unprofessional calling out the scam".

17:44:50 mircea_popescu: so... you know. this is where you learn from what works.

17:46:20 HeySteve: I hope you continue to oppose scammers and act for the conservation of "classic" bitcoin. but this is not the way to go about it.

17:47:06 HeySteve: I mean really, putting out a hit? what if some desperate or crazy person takes you up on it, are you ready for the criminal charges?

17:47:18 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> actually p2p is, for the most part, the botnetz << Not feasible anymore really. p2P diff is too high. Most seems to be 1-5 dedicated recent mining rigs, so home users.

17:50:52 mircea_popescu: again. how would you know ?

17:51:38 BingoBoingo: Just guessing by the range of hashrates reported. Also did the p2pool thing with ATC.

17:51:44 mircea_popescu: not you lol, him

17:52:05 mircea_popescu: guy knows the way to go about things he ain't doing, and wishes to inform the people actually doing it.

17:52:13 HeySteve: I know evil bullshit when I see it.

17:52:18 mircea_popescu: how ?

17:52:46 mircea_popescu: do you basically grep for strings or is there more to it than that ?

17:53:20 HeySteve: step 1 is not being a psychopath. try it sometime.

17:53:31 mircea_popescu: right.

17:53:53 mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the delusional notion that their lives aren't on the line is what makes people do most of the fucktarded shit they do. it certainly is the case with the power rangers.

17:54:01 mircea_popescu: a little reality call never hurt anyone

17:54:04 mircea_popescu: unpun unintended.

17:54:21 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

17:54:39 ascii_field: wake me up when i can buy a ticket to the impalements.

17:54:52 mircea_popescu: which those ?

17:55:22 ascii_field: of 'power rangerz', et al

17:55:29 mircea_popescu: ah ah i read implements.

17:55:34 ascii_field: l0l

17:56:11 mircea_popescu: in also lulzy news, the maryland-based righteous ddosing of fraudsters earlier was kinda weak and ineffectual, when compared to the standard angry economics driven ddosen we've seen over the years.

17:56:21 mircea_popescu: i guess yet another field where the private sector has the public sector whupped.

17:56:30 ascii_field: l0l md where

17:56:37 ascii_field: the uni ?

17:56:45 mircea_popescu: lemme fish the ips i banned

17:57:45 HeySteve: well, I wash my hands of this place

17:58:03 ascii_field: HeySteve: don't let the door hit you on the arse

17:58:16 mircea_popescu: baltimore mostly.

17:58:56 mircea_popescu: how exactly is the world supposed to work without "psychopaths". so asshole goes and does something outright evil, and we all what, chant to purge his "sw" out of bitcoin ? hold hands ?

17:58:58 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: was it udp barf from konsoomer modems?

17:59:05 mircea_popescu: keep sending him home baked pies ?

17:59:33 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i've really not spent so much time looking into it, gb-and-a-half piddle from 10s of ips.

17:59:47 ascii_field: likely it then

18:00:24 mircea_popescu: !rated heysteve

18:00:24 assbot: You rated user heysteve on 25-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Fairer sex connoisseur.

18:00:33 mircea_popescu: im trying to recall who this guy is/was.

18:01:04 mircea_popescu: oh fuck, he's the guy with the sa rentals. right.

18:01:12 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-10-2015#1306046

18:01:12 assbot: Logged on 23-10-2015 14:24:36; HeySteve: as for the rest, mircea_popescu, you may dismiss everything that isn't Bitcoin 0.5 as a scam but I do not take this view without evidence

18:01:48 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-10-2015#1306040

18:01:48 assbot: Logged on 23-10-2015 13:56:49; HeySteve: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305598 < scalable means up to 10,000 TPS, fast means ~5 second confirms, flexible means you can create all kinds of financial instruments (like integrating BANX or creating market-pegged assets)

18:01:54 mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=heysteve+landlords more on point.

18:01:54 assbot: 4 results for 'heysteve landlords' - #bitcoin-assets search

18:02:24 mircea_popescu: incidentally, why do people wish to add semantic content to bitcoin ?

18:02:33 ascii_field: like waht?

18:02:35 mircea_popescu: hasn't html/xml/sgml failed horribly enough ?

18:02:38 mircea_popescu: like "scripts"

18:02:57 ascii_field: same reason why add a 2kg telescope to kalash ?

18:03:05 ascii_field: or a searchlight projector

18:03:16 ascii_field: 'BECAUSE K00L!!111'

18:03:16 thestringpuller: kalash makes a good sniper rifle tho

18:03:25 mircea_popescu: so no more unix philosophy, just... everything expands to read mail ?

18:03:29 ascii_field: thestringpuller: wai wut

18:03:47 mircea_popescu: assault-sniping.

18:04:12 ascii_field: thestringpuller: if you live in usa you are not far from some place where you can rent a kalash and try 'snipe' at 100 metres into a plate

18:04:22 ascii_field: go, try

18:04:23 thestringpuller: ^- i've done this

18:04:27 thestringpuller: it's not so bad

18:04:38 thestringpuller: not as good as a "real" sniper rifle

18:04:44 ascii_field: aha. now try 500m which is what 'snipe' means in the civilized world

18:04:46 mircea_popescu: much better than a water gun

18:07:31 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340521 << now the other thing is: chumpatronic engineering

18:07:31 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 18:02:24; mircea_popescu: incidentally, why do people wish to add semantic content to bitcoin ?

18:07:55 ascii_field: in the specific sense of 'goldmansachsization'

18:08:13 shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340503 <<< A #b-a ragequit ? O.o

18:08:13 assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 17:57:45; HeySteve: well, I wash my hands of this place

18:08:14 ascii_field: moar mechanical complexity, more room (or so they hope) for mechanized fraud

18:08:47 mircea_popescu: except this approach handed their country to china on a silver plate.

18:08:53 mircea_popescu: why the fuck would they still expect it to work

18:08:56 mircea_popescu: no, nm.

18:09:09 ascii_field: the fact never sank in

18:09:14 thestringpuller: because ethereum is revolutionary and thus bitcoin needs to be moar like it

18:09:21 ascii_field: because - largely - cn never came in and repossessed the whores & coke

18:09:25 mircea_popescu: myeah. i had a mp sitting on my shoulder going "Doh" as i hit enter

18:10:21 mircea_popescu: shinohai in fairness, wouldn't by any stretch be the first person we/i've driven to excuse themselves.

18:10:39 ascii_field: what was the name of the treason guy

18:10:46 ascii_field: !s treason

18:10:47 assbot: 40 results for 'treason' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=treason

18:12:10 shinohai: Life is precarious, get over it ^^

18:12:40 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999266

18:12:40 assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.

18:13:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00049401 = 18.7477 BTC [-] {3}

18:13:31 thestringpuller: yet ascii_field you are afraid to launder USG money? lol.

18:14:00 mircea_popescu: lol that really stuck with you huh

18:14:14 ascii_field: thestringpuller: in the same sense as i'm afraid to thermonuke davos

18:14:21 ascii_field: (elementarily lack the means)

18:14:43 thestringpuller: ic makes sense then.

18:16:42 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> what was the name of the treason guy << midnightmagic

18:17:10 ascii_field: and iirc there were moar

18:17:34 BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> aha. now try 500m which is what 'snipe' means in the civilized world << This is job for the other (Mosin) Nagant

18:19:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102800 @ 0.00049219 = 50.5971 BTC [-] {4}

18:19:38 mircea_popescu: in less emotional-driven nonsense,

18:19:40 mircea_popescu: "The Model is Confused and Misused. Frequently the same group that is arguing for more spending is the same one that ?owns? the LTV calculation. (This is a mistake ? finance should monitor LTV). As a result, it is not uncommon for one to see shortcuts taken that allow for greater freedom. As an example, marketers often divide spend by total customers to calculate SAC rather than just those customers that were

18:19:40 mircea_popescu: ?purchased.? If you have organic customers, they shouldn?t be included in the spend calculus. They would have arrived regardless of spend. Also, many people discount ?revenues? rather than marginal cash contribution. It is critical to bundle all future variable costs of supporting the customer in order to fairly estimate the future contribution. As an example of the sloppiness that exists around the formula,

18:19:41 mircea_popescu: consider this blog post (http://blog.kissmetrics.com/how-to-calculate-lifetime-value/) from KISS metrics, a company whose aim is to ?help you make smarter business decisions.? Not only do they include a version of the model that specifically ignores future costs, but also they recommend taking an average of three different results, two of which are clearly flawed. This voodoo-math has no place as part of a multi-mi

18:19:46 mircea_popescu: llion dollar marketing exercise."

18:19:48 mircea_popescu: from http://abovethecrowd.com/2012/09/04/the-dangerous-seduction-of-the-lifetime-value-ltv-formula/

18:19:51 assbot: The Dangerous Seduction of the Lifetime Value (LTV) Formula | Above the Crowd | By Bill Gurley ... ( http://bit.ly/21SdtK0 )

18:20:04 mircea_popescu: "ltv" being one of the lulziest snakeoil products the marketing scambunch has been pushing down the throats of public cos

18:28:44 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

18:28:56 ascii_field: ;;later tell mod6 trb www still shows non-v patches ?!

18:28:56 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:30:09 mircea_popescu: !up btcdrak

18:30:45 btcdrak: mircea_popescu: what on earth are you up to?

18:31:01 mircea_popescu: bothering people, apparently.

18:31:41 btcdrak: mircea_popescu: I'm trying to divine if you are just trolling or dead serious.

18:32:28 mircea_popescu: well... i signed it, didn't i ? what's more.

18:32:31 mircea_popescu: why, you got the cert ?

18:33:21 btcdrak: mircea_popescu: Well I'm done here. You're out of order.

18:33:36 mircea_popescu: aite.

18:33:46 btcdrak: please remove my gpg key from assbot

18:33:47 *: mircea_popescu didn't even know he was in an order b4.

18:33:57 btcdrak: you are an idiot

18:34:03 ascii_field: !s gettrust btcdrak

18:34:04 assbot: 0 results for 'gettrust btcdrak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gettrust+btcdrak

18:34:07 ascii_field: !gettrust btcdrak

18:34:07 assbot: ascii_field is not registered in WoT.

18:34:11 ascii_field: l0l

18:34:21 asciilifeform: !gettrust btcdrak

18:34:21 assbot: Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user btcdrak: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=btcdrak | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/btcdrak/

18:34:36 mircea_popescu: all these people with the higher moral ground calling peeps names and shit.

18:36:11 *: ascii_field has no idea we had so many of these

18:36:51 ascii_field: what were the remoras even doing here.

18:36:54 mircea_popescu: well, people gotta form their own opinions on things neh.

18:39:50 mircea_popescu: in fairness, the emotional angle is really hard to get past. which is why the thing's so effective in the first place.

18:40:07 ascii_field: wai wut

18:40:16 mircea_popescu: which part ?

18:40:20 ascii_field: emotional angle

18:41:11 mircea_popescu: try screaming "YOU MAKE EXCELLENT PIE" at the top of your lungs @woman, see if she takes it as a compliment.

18:41:34 mircea_popescu: !up dbclk

18:41:44 shinohai: Well I never would have guessed two individuals would get their panties in a bunch in one day.

18:42:24 mircea_popescu: life is the foremost value, yo! notwithstanding that the delusion of "freedom from consequence" is the fundamental corner stone of "creativity" as understood on the internets.

18:42:26 mircea_popescu: deep issues.

18:43:26 ascii_field: i thought it was 'any degree of scumhood is virtuous when it's in the service of usg, lie, cheat, kill, whatever'

18:43:51 mircea_popescu: you keep thinking the usg a prime mover

18:43:56 ascii_field: prime stator

18:44:02 mircea_popescu: the usg is mere detritus resulting from malfunctioning metabolism

18:44:20 mircea_popescu: nobody's glycemia gave them diabethes.

18:44:53 ascii_field: neh it's rather more like the original aids victim

18:45:04 ascii_field: the fella who wouldn't rest until he infected as many as he could

18:45:16 mircea_popescu: in me eyes tis entirely passive. does what "teh people" "need".

18:47:20 *: ascii_field always has, in back of head, suspicion that 'usg' is catastrophically misnamed, considering that the communicable disease in question goes back to at least voltaire

18:50:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'Not only are they part of the transaction, not only are they an integral part of the transaction : they are the only actually needed part. What makes a transaction a transaction is the signature, nothing else. Everything else is like marketing : contributes to costs, not to revenue.' << here i will note that, if bitcoin used rsa sigs, the tx and the signature could be literally one and the same thing

18:50:02 ascii_field: (with a very small amount of number-theoretical elbow grease)

18:50:17 mircea_popescu: indeed.

18:51:24 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: [malleability] 'This is a major problem, principally driven by the deliberately broken state of the FOSS' << btw it affects pgp (via the braindamaged pkcs1.5) to same extent

18:51:33 mircea_popescu: it does.

18:56:05 kakobrekla: ftr 'gettrust' takes second argument optionally

19:03:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28168 @ 0.00049441 = 13.9265 BTC [+] {4}

19:14:50 mircea_popescu: nothing to see really. http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/btcdrak/

19:14:52 assbot: btcdrak WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1NexTFr )

19:15:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00048811 = 20.0857 BTC [-] {5}

19:15:54 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792159 etc.

19:15:54 assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 02:20:21; TimSwanson: That's not how debates work

19:18:55 mircea_popescu: but in softer news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/ddbfb0f4b02fcab0975572149d01b09c/tumblr_mhp018OsvD1rm9y3no1_500.gif

19:18:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeybMK )

19:39:07 BingoBoingo: Damn, It's like people forget about Andreas whose ghost supports this thing.

19:42:27 BingoBoingo: http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2014/06/19/323326424/a-fresh-cry-of-pain-fat-shaming-in-science << Win

19:42:28 assbot: A Fresh Cry Of Pain: Fat-Shaming In Science : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1NezWJI )

19:42:37 BingoBoingo: "She told me that her team did a lot of collaborative work in this lab, and she didn't need someone who was going to 'eat more than their fair share of the pizza, if you know what I mean.' "

19:44:31 BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/12/after-xt-failure-gavin-andresen-supports-jim-crow-for-signatures-on-the-blockchain/#comment-81778

19:44:32 assbot: After XT Failure Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeA77Q )

20:06:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00048578 = 12.6303 BTC [-] {3}

20:49:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12822 @ 0.00049461 = 6.3419 BTC [+]

20:55:39 thestringpuller: http://imgur.com/G7mNXUI << coinbase's exchange built from MTGox code.

20:58:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24611 @ 0.00049156 = 12.0978 BTC [-] {2}

21:10:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13341 @ 0.00049156 = 6.5579 BTC [-] {2}

21:41:02 BingoBoingo: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8461925&cid=51094567

21:41:03 assbot: WordPress 4.4 Arrives - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/21SHqd3 )

21:53:33 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/9NAQg

21:53:34 assbot: Okay, so I think I've figured out 'Dr' Craig White's end game in pretending to be Satoshi. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/21SJxO4 )

21:53:39 BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash

21:58:08 tripleslash: woo

21:58:14 tripleslash: I haz voiceseses

21:58:43 BingoBoingo: Are you going to ragequit the channel too?

21:59:01 BingoBoingo: Seems to be trend today. Happened twice.

22:01:45 shinohai: First time I had seen that happen, but I've only been here since June.

22:02:01 shinohai: Twice in one day tho ... puritans.

22:02:13 BingoBoingo: It seems to happen from time to time.

22:03:08 shinohai: I guess this place isn't for everyone, :/

22:05:58 BingoBoingo: What place is?

22:09:58 BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1

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22:15:54 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b15

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22:32:30 BingoBoingo: https://i.sli.mg/8j3rYR.png

22:32:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeRhCq )

22:41:11 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3420

22:41:12 assbot: JL: Riding the Lie ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeSgCz )

22:43:11 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:43:25 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: aka anarchotyranny / 'yi yi zhi yi'.

22:43:33 BingoBoingo: lol

22:43:37 BingoBoingo: yes

22:45:37 BingoBoingo: !up SirArthur_2

22:46:16 SirArthur_2: TY

22:51:55 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.01279645 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b10

23:02:07 BingoBoingo: !up cazalla_

23:02:31 cazalla_: thanks, i'd log in properly but won't stay long

23:05:25 cazalla_: asciilifeform, any idea if zed shaw knows his stuff? working through his learn python the hard way book past month or so, recommend any books once i'm done with this one (or anyone else for that matter)

23:06:23 ascii_field: cazalla_: i'm entirely unfamiliar with this author

23:06:48 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ << This guy

23:06:50 assbot: Learn Python The Hard Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeUP7w )

23:07:25 cazalla_: yeah that guy, i actually bought a hard copy of the book though, been working on in it 1-2 hours each evening, trying to make a Legend of the Red Dragon mud type game meets bitcoin

23:07:36 ascii_field: looks like a perfectly legit guide to py

23:08:05 BingoBoingo: Even sticks to actual python 2 and not heretical 3

23:08:27 punkman: I've read a couple of his learn X books, not bad

23:12:16 punkman: http://programming-motherfucker.com/

23:12:17 assbot: Programming, Motherfucker - Do you speak it? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd6Q19 )

23:12:34 cazalla_: punkman, i'm finding it good and i'm on pace to actually finish it, but figured seeing i know little, might be best to ask he if what im learning has any value

23:13:11 shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3wa9zf/butter_offers_1_btc_reward_for_the_death_of/ <<< top kek, mircea_popescu made buttcoin

23:13:12 assbot: Butter offers 1 BTC reward for the death of Pieter Wuille (Buttcoin developer) : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd6Y0C )

23:13:34 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

23:51:30 BingoBoingo: !up tcrypt