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00:41:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.00055211 = 45.1074 BTC [-]

00:56:12 mircea_popescu: and in more of the same, http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Card-frauds-used-bitcoins-to-trade-money/articleshow/50922983.cms

00:56:13 assbot: Card frauds used bitcoins to trade money - Times of India ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWL5QZ )

00:58:39 mircea_popescu: but whatever, the fiat deck of cards will endure because... i dunno, everyone will promise to not take a shit on it and also uphold that promise. sounds workable :D

00:59:26 gernika: mod6 verified in v99995_beta2 that it no longer presses a non-existent patch name and throws an error instead.

01:02:29 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b20

01:06:09 mircea_popescu: and in other muslim news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5f6qtZHfh1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

01:06:10 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1o4yjqo )

01:06:14 mircea_popescu: cheers gernika

01:27:02 mod6: thanks gernika!

01:27:48 gernika: yw mod6 :)

01:36:31 deedbot-: [Qntra] Bitcointalk Default Trust Member Escrow.ms Arrested For Debit Card Fraud - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bitcointalk-default-trust-member-escrow-ms-arrested-for-debit-card-fraud/

01:37:28 kakobrekla: lolk

01:37:33 mircea_popescu: kik

01:38:54 punkman: the neverending *chan drama eh

01:39:17 BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu recalls the lulzier years in 2011-2012 back when roger ver was actually pretending to be like, a business man, and stuff. << NEver forget $50 Blockchain.info chargeback because Ver's sticky hands were in all the things then

01:40:15 mircea_popescu: ,

01:40:25 mircea_popescu: lol. ridoinculous.

01:40:41 punkman: mircea_popescu: did you ever advertise on 2ch?

01:40:42 mircea_popescu: the "captains of industry" days.

01:41:00 mircea_popescu: punkman i asked them to either support bitcoin or do a one time deal for me. they were going to get back, never did.

01:41:24 mircea_popescu: why, you know someone ?

01:41:51 punkman: was just wondering if you ever talked to the Jim fellow that owns both that and 8ch

01:42:31 mircea_popescu: nope.

01:45:04 BingoBoingo: Remember when copypaste though he owned 8chan? That's the sort of misunderstanding that seems to preclude doing business with 2ch.

01:46:57 punkman: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/2ch_Chronicle

01:46:57 assbot: 2ch Chronicle - Wikibooks, open books for an open world ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrtxPa )

01:47:02 punkman: also the other guy that thought he owned 2ch

01:47:54 punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."

01:53:59 punkman: http://8ch.net/newspaper/res/3.html#255

01:54:02 assbot: /newspaper/ - [HISTORY][2CH.NET][RP] ... ( http://bit.ly/1RrulDD )

01:55:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129944 @ 0.00055274 = 71.8252 BTC [+] {2}

01:57:43 BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/456ej8/agents_of_thermos_default_trust_member_escrowms/

01:57:44 assbot: Agents of Thermos: "Default Trust" member Escrow.ms arrested, Tradefortress still at large : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1RruGX0 )

02:02:50 mircea_popescu: punkman mind that by their very nature, chans NEVER pay for their bills.

02:02:59 mircea_popescu: it's always a godfather sort of deal.

02:06:00 BingoBoingo: I just found out that apparently using a radio telescope pointed at a pulsar for a time source is something actually being done.

02:06:19 mircea_popescu: for a while now. quite good timepiece, a pulsar.

02:06:56 punkman: mircea_popescu: well Jim must be making some money to pay for the bandwidth, no?

02:07:00 mircea_popescu: no.

02:07:00 BingoBoingo: I can finally replace wound spring for keeping me standard time

02:10:03 punkman: !up copy

02:12:56 mod6: ;;halfreward

02:12:57 gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 14 04:52:41 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 22 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds.

02:14:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75056 @ 0.00055199 = 41.4302 BTC [-] {4}

02:14:44 BingoBoingo: Today I learned Gavin Assassinen is on the city council https://archive.is/XXyKh

02:14:45 assbot: BatChainer comments on Bitcoin Classic Release Announcement ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWTqUH )

02:15:30 mircea_popescu: by "godfather sort of deal" i mean specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300594

02:15:30 assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 15:12:55; mircea_popescu: aka, pay for all our sins, as we can't afford to do it. and so you get godfathers, and get to enjoy the movie. that's his role in the community : that he pays your blodgelt for you.

02:19:19 deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Sociological catalogue entry: Chumpatronico Cancúnica - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/10/sociological-catalogue-entry-chumpatronico-cancunica/

02:24:18 asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/gchq-malware-boing-boing-16-0202.pdf << l0ltr0n1c

02:24:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWUoQP )

02:24:50 asciilifeform: also 3133333337 latex !!111 vs american microshit wurd !!111

02:25:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62650 @ 0.00055199 = 34.5822 BTC [-] {2}

02:25:19 BingoBoingo: In the ongoing collapse American serfs now being moved to scratch different patches of dirt http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/urban-farmers-working-vacant-kinloch-property-get-surprise-when-land/article_a69bbb45-2cc1-542d-b7c0-51e6205c8e2c.html

02:25:20 assbot: Urban farmers working vacant Kinloch property get surprise when land's rightful owner shows up : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QWUt75 )

02:30:43 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_d_out You know, you might want to defend your title from nubbins' as it seems he wants all of Canada to himself.

02:30:44 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:36:18 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402608 << l0l! the 'montrex' gambit!

02:36:18 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 01:47:54; punkman: "To whom it may concern: The previous management was not able to generate enough income to pay the bills for the expenses of running 2ch. Previously I allowed some autonomy to them. During that time my name has been slandered. The ability for 2ch to generate enough income to stay open was damaged. I hope that with proper management that 2ch can recover."

02:36:48 asciilifeform: (who remembers?? 'i was never a sc4mz0r, but now you called me one, and thereby i now lack the money to fill $promise' )

02:40:40 BingoBoingo: That's roughly half of all discussions in the history of bitcointalk

02:49:11 punkman: heh

02:49:41 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Uf1uN8haI

02:49:42 assbot: the magnetic fields - underwear - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdEBRb )

02:52:31 shinohai: https://i.imgur.com/TUZ3hZ7.jpg <<< must have this shirt

02:52:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TdENzP )

03:05:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107518 @ 0.00055222 = 59.3736 BTC [+] {2}

03:06:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12582 @ 0.00055694 = 7.0074 BTC [+]

03:13:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138865 @ 0.00055147 = 76.5799 BTC [-] {4}

03:14:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53585 @ 0.00055121 = 29.5366 BTC [-]

03:27:59 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu one well-massaged class of super-NP complexity classes is PSPACE - and i distinctly recall a proof that the mega-game 'sokoban' is PSPACE-complete.

03:27:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:28:31 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.52.41 << here we go.

03:28:33 assbot: CiteSeerX — Sokoban is PSPACE-complete ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTJSwy )

03:28:33 gribble: The operation succeeded.

03:35:07 punkman: sokoban as PoW would be interesting

03:41:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45150 @ 0.00055694 = 25.1458 BTC [+]

03:45:13 mircea_popescu: aha!

03:46:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78177 @ 0.00055065 = 43.0482 BTC [-] {5}

04:15:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114130 @ 0.00055046 = 62.824 BTC [-] {4}

04:34:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94843 @ 0.0005578 = 52.9034 BTC [+] {2}

05:06:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149600 @ 0.00055939 = 83.6847 BTC [+]

05:11:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40296 @ 0.00055701 = 22.4453 BTC [-] {2}

05:27:54 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401640 << sustained

05:27:54 assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:16; nubbins`: speak now if you believe a lord that has contributed TRB patches, who owns the second-largest s.mg stock warrant, who trades in the only physical collectibles that are priced solely in BTC, who pays the bill for eulora.org, who is the republic's de facto minister of letters awaiting with bated quill the whittling-down of a codebase fit to publish, should be stripped of his title; speak your treason now, th

05:29:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00055213 = 9.6071 BTC [-]

05:29:21 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles

05:29:21 assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 04:32:44; nubbins`: what's pete doing on the list anyway

05:34:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66350 @ 0.00055213 = 36.6338 BTC [-]

05:38:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53742 @ 0.00055213 = 29.6726 BTC [-]

05:44:02 danielpbarron: !up ggggg

05:46:09 ggggg: TQ

05:46:19 danielpbarron: yw, who are you?

05:46:47 ggggg: just a lurkr crypto guy

05:47:01 danielpbarron: lots of those around these days

05:58:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4604 @ 0.0005531 = 2.5465 BTC [+]

06:02:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83751 @ 0.00055342 = 46.3495 BTC [+]

06:07:52 ggggg: did not know about https://bitbet.us

06:07:53 assbot: BitBet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LixajI )

06:07:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29549 @ 0.00055342 = 16.353 BTC [+]

06:08:27 danielpbarron: ah, so not lurking for very long then

06:09:12 ggggg: lol ... I am more alt less btc

06:09:19 danielpbarron: which alts?

06:09:45 punkman: eth at 0.012 btc

06:09:51 ggggg: all of them ... fan of UNO

06:10:23 ggggg: $eth kills me ... stayed out thought it was vaporware

06:10:38 danielpbarron: why UNO?

06:11:04 ggggg: merge mined with btc network, low inflation

06:11:18 punkman: ggggg: eth's still vaporware

06:11:42 ggggg: true, but there is $ backing it

06:11:47 punkman: is UNO the unobtainium one?

06:11:53 *: danielpbarron assumed so

06:12:05 ggggg: the unobtainium one ;)

06:12:29 punkman: what was it, 12 coins max?

06:13:16 ggggg: about 200k coins right now ... max 250k will take 300 odd years to mine the last 5th

06:13:44 punkman: but can I buy a loongson with it?

06:14:17 ggggg: you can buy anything you want, just as long as it is under $100

06:14:24 ggggg: liquidity is low

06:14:37 mats: rofl

06:14:46 punkman: http://unobtanium.uno/ they even have a TLD

06:14:47 assbot: Unobtanium - UNO | The original rare cryptocurrency ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcXwJe )

06:15:04 mats: 10/10 jokes ggggg

06:20:41 *: ben_vulpes was halfway hoping for a different kind of crypto animal

06:21:00 ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread?

06:21:00 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 03:35:07; punkman: sokoban as PoW would be interesting

06:26:42 punkman: ben_vulpes: remind me

06:29:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72303 @ 0.00055939 = 40.4456 BTC [+]

06:31:29 danielpbarron: i rememer that one, and it related to mining needing to take up enormous physical space in order to scale

06:37:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79848 @ 0.00056324 = 44.9736 BTC [+] {2}

06:39:02 ben_vulpes: punkman: i wish i remembered more, or could effectively dig up the thread

06:39:07 ben_vulpes: paging mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, per usual

06:40:28 ben_vulpes: things i recall:

06:40:54 ben_vulpes: - nothing

06:56:52 punkman: in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a).

07:03:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 137050 @ 0.00055714 = 76.356 BTC [-] {4}

07:17:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169800 @ 0.00055565 = 94.3494 BTC [-] {4}

07:31:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134600 @ 0.00056156 = 75.586 BTC [+] {4}

08:10:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174650 @ 0.00056064 = 97.9158 BTC [-] {5}

08:14:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99500 @ 0.00055775 = 55.4961 BTC [-]

08:20:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00056456 = 16.7674 BTC [+] {2}

08:24:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92864 @ 0.00055591 = 51.624 BTC [-] {3}

08:35:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102001 @ 0.00055402 = 56.5106 BTC [-] {3}

08:46:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19193 @ 0.00055436 = 10.6398 BTC [+]

08:50:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95852 @ 0.00056283 = 53.9484 BTC [+] {2}

08:58:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50795 @ 0.00055894 = 28.3914 BTC [-] {2}

09:04:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00056457 = 16.3725 BTC [+]

09:21:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65384 @ 0.0005621 = 36.7523 BTC [-] {3}

10:01:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.0005534 = 32.1525 BTC [-] {2}

10:29:04 deedbot-: [Qntra] Cattle Rancher And American Patriot Cliven Bundy Arrested In Portland - http://qntra.net/2016/02/cattle-rancher-and-american-patriot-cliven-bundy-arrested-in-portland/

10:57:41 deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/

11:07:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00055515 = 16.4324 BTC [+] {2}

11:07:49 deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b92

11:19:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76881 @ 0.000556 = 42.7458 BTC [+]

11:25:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81700 @ 0.0005593 = 45.6948 BTC [+] {2}

11:41:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77108 @ 0.0005564 = 42.9029 BTC [-] {3}

11:52:13 BingoBoingo: Tensor, Tensor! https://archive.is/UzkqW

11:52:14 assbot: Industrial Society and Its Future - Wikisource, the free online library ... ( http://bit.ly/23YGvZB )

12:08:41 BingoBoingo: !up smooth

12:13:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 449700 @ 0.00055181 = 248.149 BTC [-] {8}

12:33:35 BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow

12:33:41 punkman: "Categories: Commodities to End Climate Change, Data Seance, Smart Garbage, Monetizing Children, Artisanal Ad Networks, The Sharing Economy, Fetal Leaning In, Disrupting Solid Foods, Open Source Debtors Prison, 3D Printed Drugs, Deepest Learning, Compostable Neural Networks, Cybersecurity, Ayn Rand, Edible Electronics, Virtual Reality (For Babies)"

12:34:19 BingoBoingo: Where is this?

12:35:45 punkman: the stupid hackathon

12:35:49 punkman: http://www.stupidhackathon.com/2016/poors-good.jpg

12:35:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wg25Dd )

12:36:41 BingoBoingo: aha

12:37:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00055513 = 9.9368 BTC [+] {2}

12:41:10 punkman: http://dumbwill.com/cults/

12:41:11 assbot: C.U.L.T.S ... ( http://bit.ly/1TemCdi )

13:01:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00055535 = 19.826 BTC [+] {2}

13:02:01 BingoBoingo: punkman: That is just beautiful

13:11:52 punkman: http://www.ptt-museum.dk/en/online_magazine/previous_articles/broadcasting/?id=74

13:11:55 assbot: Radio - Post & Tele Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4Cx6b )

13:14:54 punkman: http://www.nature.com/news/the-chips-are-down-for-moore-s-law-1.19338

13:14:54 assbot: The chips are down for Moore’s law : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4COGd )

13:17:58 BingoBoingo: !up da2ce7

13:18:28 da2ce7: hello

13:18:29 da2ce7: :)

13:20:54 BingoBoingo: hello

13:25:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127800 @ 0.0005593 = 71.4785 BTC [+] {2}

13:27:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00055931 = 28.5807 BTC [+]

13:34:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402711 << recall, mircea_popescu came up with a spiffier one since then

13:34:57 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:39:07; ben_vulpes: paging mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, per usual

13:35:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402714 << turing-complete vtron or bust

13:35:45 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:56:52; punkman: in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a).

13:36:24 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402730 << gendarmerie!

13:36:24 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 10:57:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/

13:37:05 BingoBoingo: Seriously

13:37:22 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402729 << no partizans in usaschwitz.

13:37:22 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 10:29:04; deedbot-: [Qntra] Cattle Rancher And American Patriot Cliven Bundy Arrested In Portland - http://qntra.net/2016/02/cattle-rancher-and-american-patriot-cliven-bundy-arrested-in-portland/

13:41:23 BingoBoingo: yet

13:41:57 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402667 << old rusty benz is tmsr infrastructure now ??

13:41:57 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 05:29:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles

13:42:37 asciilifeform: can my old sapping shovel be also?

13:43:03 asciilifeform: how about lispm.

13:44:02 BingoBoingo: My Remington MB-20 beard trimmer is plainly essential #b-a infrastructure

13:44:45 asciilifeform: if pete_d's benz then it also yes!

13:44:54 asciilifeform: l0l

13:44:59 asciilifeform: bbl.

13:45:30 BingoBoingo: It's seriously pretty sweet though. Uses two AA batteries so not ruined when internal nicd or li-ion battery quits

13:53:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15839 @ 0.00055931 = 8.8589 BTC [+]

13:55:43 PeterL: would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention?

13:56:34 punkman: asciilifeform: .. << turing-complete vtron or bust << I'll get there eventually. Though, I think the standard unified-diff representation is useful even if patchons consisting of script are available.

14:02:27 BingoBoingo: PeterL: Brokered convention? Could be very interesting. I won't pledge to bet it without seeing the form it takes

14:04:15 danielpbarron: i bet on there being a brokered convention last timme

14:06:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00055985 = 9.9653 BTC [+] {2}

14:09:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 146047 @ 0.00056373 = 82.3311 BTC [+] {4}

14:29:13 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb

14:29:21 gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2590.0, vol: 20984.45070000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2590.0

14:29:23 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

14:29:29 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 379.11, vol: 7161.37862854 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 384.577, vol: 5665.8749 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 380.94, vol: 20247.87538418 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.0, vol: 0.35414649 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.68, vol: 20987.53210000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 381.81986, vol: 1050.75864489 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.35658943, vol: 105.63472011 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

14:29:30 BingoBoingo: ;;more

14:29:30 gribble: 385.935598679

14:30:49 punkman: http://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ouch-soundcloud-losses-show-a-broken-business-model-in-desperate-need-of-a-fix/

14:30:50 assbot: Ouch: SoundCloud losses show a broken business model in desperate need of a fix - Music Business Worldwide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pba7 )

14:31:30 punkman: all that money and they can't put a fucking volume slider on their audio player

14:32:47 BingoBoingo: lol

14:36:48 punkman: https://www.soundcloudcommunity.com/soundcloud/topics/volume-control-nuocgr2e2nh0r?topic-reply-list[settings][filter_by]=all

14:36:52 assbot: Volume control | SoundCloud Community Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pCB2 )

14:41:53 kakobrekla: volume control? that wouldnt look cool.

14:46:44 punkman: they have volume control on soundcloud.com, but there's this radio show I listen to, they started embedding soundcloud recently and there's no volume control on it. and of course there is no way to find the embedded tracks on their soundcloud profile.

14:47:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126550 @ 0.00056141 = 71.0464 BTC [-] {2}

14:49:18 punkman: I bet they have 3 teams of "usability" experts.

14:51:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 170150 @ 0.00055782 = 94.9131 BTC [-] {4}

14:52:35 punkman: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Lanai-Architecture

14:52:36 assbot: LLVM Patches Confirm Google Has Its Own In-House Processor - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9r7PU )

14:54:55 BingoBoingo: punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story.

14:58:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171000 @ 0.00055552 = 94.9939 BTC [-] {5}

15:00:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402686 << it is vaporware lol. weren't they going to release something "right next week" for the past... i dunno, 6months ?

15:00:32 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:10:23; ggggg: $eth kills me ... stayed out thought it was vaporware

15:00:43 mircea_popescu: buterin is by now indistinguishable from that kate/craig imbecile of http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-stuple/ fame.

15:00:44 assbot: The stuple. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9rYjv )

15:04:16 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402704 << aha. mike_c was ahead of his time!

15:04:16 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:21:00; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread?

15:05:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402730 << lol ferguson is not newsworthy anymore in the pravda, they moved the circus to flint now. this is so fucking soviet, they had a truck going around the country bringing "news"

15:05:26 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 10:57:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/

15:05:54 BingoBoingo: Seriously

15:06:59 mircea_popescu: http://www.stupidhackathon.com/2016/poors-good.jpg << this is actually a perfectly valid point. if you're going to publicly associate with people via facebook, you're exposing yourself and your fambly to usg & friends rapine in various manners, such as the one described.

15:07:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Wg25Dd )

15:07:01 mircea_popescu: this is a fact.

15:07:48 mircea_popescu: for prophet lol. nb.

15:08:13 mircea_popescu: "The startups move to our private compound for 3 months, during which time we work intensively with them to get the company into the best possible shape and refine their pitch to potential new members." <<< i hope they apply the bivolaru tradition

15:08:19 mircea_popescu: "pls send noodies to evaluate your auras"

15:19:44 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402754 << fucking nature. what happened to "as indicated by MP in January 2015, Moore's law..."

15:19:44 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 13:14:54; punkman: http://www.nature.com/news/the-chips-are-down-for-moore-s-law-1.19338

15:20:12 mircea_popescu: journalism by the bums for the bums ffs.

15:21:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402782 << yeah actually.

15:21:00 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 13:55:43; PeterL: would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention?

15:22:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402795 << what fucking fix ? "giving away free beer will result in the largest party on campus. it will also be a sausage fest that no one cool would even consider."

15:22:00 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 14:30:50; assbot: Ouch: SoundCloud losses show a broken business model in desperate need of a fix - Music Business Worldwide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pba7 )

15:22:30 mircea_popescu: exactly what the fuck is going to be "fixed" in this necessary situation ? time to face the music : a large number of people is NOT a business value. it is a business cost.

15:23:06 mircea_popescu: NOT having many users is as valuable as NOT having a fucktarded US-like VC on your board, or NOT having a fatass woman with a history of USG employment in "human services" roles in your staff.

15:23:28 mircea_popescu: keep all these three heads of doom away, it is plain impossible to not make money.

15:25:01 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402807 << you know, it occurs to me that publishing mockful rebuttals of exactly this sort of thing IS in fact newsworthy.

15:25:01 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 14:54:55; BingoBoingo: punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story.

15:25:23 mircea_popescu: gadfly the fucktard ointment, by taking their stories and taking them apart, adding details they don't wish circulated, stuff like that.

15:26:10 mircea_popescu: perfectly legitimate and certainly useful behaviour - not least of all because automated systems as well as most people will select X out of a set of A=B=C=D, X = A+i.

15:26:54 mircea_popescu: and because they're all bound by the same ideology, it is trivial to produce the i they can never print ; whereas because they are all subject ot the same pressure, it is nigh on impossible for dA vs dB to be anywhere as large as i.

15:29:20 BingoBoingo: I might get something on that out later today.

15:29:30 mircea_popescu: yeah was jus' sayin' in general.

15:29:59 BingoBoingo: This one's waiting while I watch Oregon to see if this morning brings news

15:31:54 mircea_popescu: i would guess they'll hurry up to pack it up before ben_vulpes' nude amazon charge shows up

15:32:25 BingoBoingo: lol

15:35:56 mircea_popescu: but in further oregon news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/232cfbc63c345f52cccd200f4a189d91/tumblr_nwbqdilQau1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

15:35:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6JAXt )

15:43:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 175000 @ 0.00055715 = 97.5013 BTC [+] {4}

15:50:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 237200 @ 0.00055974 = 132.7703 BTC [+] {4}

15:56:34 asciilifeform: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Clang-The-Kernel-2016 << l0l, the destallmanization gnomes never sleep

15:56:35 assbot: The Project To Compile The Linux Kernel With LLVM Clang Is Still Alive - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6NUpD )

15:57:40 mircea_popescu: in ~principle~ the fact i can't compile the kernel with any random compiler i wrote myself is an argument that linux = windows, ftr.

15:58:40 asciilifeform: in the same way that me slipping on the pavement is = to being run over by a bus, yes.

15:59:27 mircea_popescu: it's deeper than that, imo. the point here is that bitcoin is not making any attempt to limit ownership of its tokens by say, usg agents.

15:59:37 asciilifeform: interestingly, somebody did build linux kernel with quinniec's 'tinycc', would be interesting to learn how.

15:59:37 mircea_popescu: original linux as a subversive device had the same property.

15:59:50 mircea_popescu: by the time it has to be defended cby this sort of principle backtracking... there's nothing there to defend.

16:00:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is not too clear on the concept of bottles with no outside, is he

16:00:33 mircea_popescu: go on ?

16:00:45 asciilifeform: where do i go from linux ?

16:00:55 asciilifeform: dirigible os? write it for me.

16:00:57 mircea_popescu: keep the old versions.

16:01:18 asciilifeform: and he laughs at my stockpile of old hardware, even

16:01:23 asciilifeform: old versions run on guess what.

16:01:24 mircea_popescu: i do not!

16:01:44 asciilifeform: then you see it.

16:01:46 mircea_popescu: !up ahmedbodi

16:01:50 mircea_popescu: of course i fucking see it.

16:01:56 mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea thinkpad

16:01:57 assbot: 7 results for 'from:mircea thinkpad' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+thinkpad

16:02:03 asciilifeform: ah!!

16:02:07 asciilifeform: i was just buying thinkpads!

16:02:14 asciilifeform: so far ~failing~ to obtain a working x60-series

16:02:21 asciilifeform: on 2nd attempt now.

16:02:27 punkman: wrong screen?

16:02:50 asciilifeform: punkman: nah, they just tend to be in abysmal physical shape

16:02:54 asciilifeform: they literally fall apart

16:02:59 asciilifeform: it isn't 2008 any more

16:03:06 asciilifeform: and the chassis was not made of shitanium

16:03:17 mircea_popescu: the one i bought is solid as a rock and i have a pile of spare batteries for it too.

16:03:28 asciilifeform: they ~look~ solid aha

16:03:31 mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, stockpiles.

16:03:32 asciilifeform: but go and buy now.

16:03:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just yesterday it faceplanted from bed to the floor. no damage.

16:03:59 asciilifeform: i guess the example i have here fell 1,001 times.

16:04:05 asciilifeform: notably it still ~runs~.

16:04:17 asciilifeform: just won't latch, and the parts waltz when you pick it up.

16:06:06 asciilifeform: i will also point out that stockpiles only go so far.

16:06:11 asciilifeform: you can't trb-develop on the x60.

16:09:34 asciilifeform: in other mostly non-news,

16:09:54 asciilifeform: https://boingboing.net/2016/02/02/doxxing-sherlock-3.html << since nobody but me read the original pdf turd, here's the circus version

16:09:55 assbot: Exclusive: Snowden intelligence docs reveal UK spooks' malware checklist / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1WgjM5y )

16:10:14 asciilifeform: (lulziest hangout to date)

16:11:25 mircea_popescu: in other "things that don't work but faux japanese men drinking bottled beer like to pretend anyway", http://40.media.tumblr.com/28bf92be1f3e4bf544e5c504dbcf0602/tumblr_nwbq2sc4K91qlne6uo1_1280.jpg

16:11:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WgjVpL )

16:12:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: srsly the old thinkpad's sata-1 does not cut it

16:12:51 mircea_popescu: i mostly use it to watch movies, and i have a strict "700mb format only" policy so... works ok for me!

16:13:01 asciilifeform: but i am still collecting x60s, and if mircea_popescu has extras i will buy !

16:13:50 *: asciilifeform imagines 'indiana jones' warehouse

16:14:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever say ~which~ thinkpads you liked

16:14:44 mircea_popescu: lol don't get carried away

16:15:01 mircea_popescu: and i didn't even look at multiple, just picked one. lemme see what it is.

16:15:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88540 @ 0.00055986 = 49.57 BTC [+]

16:16:09 mircea_popescu: "type 2373"

16:16:20 mircea_popescu: made 2003

16:16:31 asciilifeform: holy shit my original

16:16:38 asciilifeform: door-smasher

16:16:45 mircea_popescu: it's pretty tough yes

16:17:12 mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/Vtd5k << yep this exactly

16:17:13 assbot: ThinkPad T40 2373 Specs - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6SHHz )

16:17:19 asciilifeform: and yeah there is no question of running trb on this.

16:17:36 asciilifeform: even if you fit a flash disk

16:17:49 asciilifeform: prolly still has the 8G limit, too

16:17:55 mircea_popescu: prolly.

16:18:08 mircea_popescu: but in terms of worx... it WORKS. i can do anything i do on it.

16:18:13 asciilifeform: about same specs as my 'libretto.'

16:18:14 mircea_popescu: which i suppose is a testament of how little i do.

16:19:29 asciilifeform: try build 'rotor' on it, for shits&gigglez, see how many days it takes.

16:19:47 asciilifeform: (will it even sit down on the max disk in that thing)

16:20:20 mircea_popescu: i would bet you it would take less than a day, but i don't want to delete all this porn etc.

16:20:54 asciilifeform: l0l

16:23:18 *: asciilifeform reads 'game of life pow' in the logz, and pictures prisoners of war being sent to clear mine fields laid in g.o.l. patterns

16:23:56 mircea_popescu: lol

16:24:03 mircea_popescu: random factor!

16:24:26 asciilifeform: aha!

16:31:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4110 @ 0.00056342 = 2.3157 BTC [+]

16:32:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00055337 = 14.5536 BTC [-]

16:39:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113016 @ 0.00055263 = 62.456 BTC [-] {4}

16:47:02 mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora.

16:47:05 mircea_popescu: THIS IS LOGICAL

16:55:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402927 << 'double, double, toil and trouble' (tm) (r)

16:55:52 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 16:47:02; mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora.

16:57:22 asciilifeform: complain to ieee.

16:58:22 asciilifeform: see also http://floating-point-gui.de .

16:58:22 assbot: The Floating-Point Guide - What Every Programmer Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPB6Ol )

17:04:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 432100 @ 0.00054894 = 237.197 BTC [-] {9}

17:07:17 asciilifeform: unrelatedly,

17:07:21 asciilifeform: anybody ever play with http://prosecco.gforge.inria.fr/personal/bblanche/proverif ?

17:07:21 assbot: ProVerif ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPC5ya )

17:07:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes dude but it's a fucking nightmare maintaining inherited 100k+ loc stacks.

17:08:08 mircea_popescu: "what the fuck, this used to work" all the fucking day long

17:08:21 mircea_popescu: "yes, but now you're exposing a hole you weren't before." idem

17:08:35 asciilifeform: http://proverif.rocq.inria.fr/index.php << demotron

17:08:36 assbot: Online demo for ProVerif ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPCctq )

17:08:48 asciilifeform: ^ not recommended or otherwise, nfi how it works yet

17:09:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think everybody here knows what 100kline shitstack feels like, on own skin

17:19:32 punkman: mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora. << works here

17:28:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66600 @ 0.00055102 = 36.6979 BTC [+] {3}

17:34:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119200 @ 0.00054736 = 65.2453 BTC [-] {4}

17:38:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00054706 = 22.0739 BTC [-] {3}

17:40:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either

17:42:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ritter answered, actually. maybe he even shows up.

17:56:35 *: BingoBoingo had his turn being tricked by and article title "how to subdue a duck for easy transportation" was about catching ducks to move them, not convert them into a conveyance

17:59:36 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402949 << wai wut?!

17:59:36 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 17:40:11; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either

17:59:46 asciilifeform: with what does mircea_popescu ~think~ it is built ??

18:00:17 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402950 << spiffy. i got no answer from blaze, thus far

18:00:17 assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 17:42:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ritter answered, actually. maybe he even shows up.

18:05:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform test this.

18:05:47 mircea_popescu: i think it is built out of duct tape and spit, and the process is not reproducible outside of sheer luck.

18:09:00 asciilifeform: rotor.

18:09:01 asciilifeform: qed.

18:09:09 mircea_popescu: wasn't that busybox ?

18:09:17 asciilifeform: turn on normal userland.

18:09:29 asciilifeform: (in the menuconfig thingie, or by hand.)

18:09:45 mircea_popescu: pff. besides the fucking point. what i am saying is that a) you download source from current linux repo ; b) you built it on random gcc you have installed and c) lol.

18:09:46 asciilifeform: i built a 'rotolinux' that boots from cd, and i think trinque (?) did similar

18:09:59 mircea_popescu: anyway bbl

18:10:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so long as it isn't gcc5, it builds.

18:10:03 asciilifeform: go, try.

18:10:22 asciilifeform: i did this 1,001 times prolly.

18:10:51 asciilifeform: linux kernel is a fort that stands. for now.

18:11:17 asciilifeform: the battering ram swings, swings into the gate, every day, yes.

18:11:31 trinque: yep, I've got a gentoo-buildinator that works more than once

18:11:35 asciilifeform: ^ neato

18:33:08 deedbot-: [Qntra] As ClassicCoin Client Hits Release, Miners Formally Reject It - http://qntra.net/2016/02/as-classiccoin-client-hits-release-miners-formally-reject-it/

18:34:20 BingoBoingo: ^ Gloatware

18:43:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: should there be a link in there somewhere ?

18:43:54 BingoBoingo: If you insist I'll dig up the least obnoxious one

18:45:46 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/TCo6o Inserted at "signed a letter"

18:45:47 assbot: A Call for Consensus — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVblOw )

18:46:53 BingoBoingo: There are no reports on ClassicCoin's move from beta that do not include deviations from reality which would allow linking

18:53:19 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3813

18:53:21 assbot: JL: Bring Us Your Curious, Your Young, Your Weak ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5dRua )

18:53:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181800 @ 0.00054678 = 99.4046 BTC [-] {4}

19:08:35 BingoBoingo: It's over https://archive.is/9m2Bk

19:08:38 assbot: Oregon standoff: 4 holdouts all in FBI custody as occupation ends (live updates) | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVdDx6 )

19:11:56 asciilifeform: summed to 0, huh.

19:12:01 asciilifeform: just as i predicted.

19:12:17 asciilifeform: exactly like the other 'occupy'.

19:14:02 BingoBoingo: Depends on how the inevitable next one plays out

19:14:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 270341 @ 0.00054667 = 147.7873 BTC [-] {6}

19:15:01 asciilifeform: next one will need to feature a new set of farmers

19:15:11 asciilifeform: the old one will not be seen again, i suspect.

19:15:44 mod6: finally figured out, I think, what the weird problem is with vdiff on ubuntu with that unmached quote.

19:15:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23659 @ 0.0005426 = 12.8374 BTC [-]

19:16:06 asciilifeform: mod6: is this the one with the defective awk ?

19:16:19 BingoBoingo: Microshaft http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/future_tense/2016/02/11/microsoft_garage_releases_experimental_fetch_app_that_identifies_dog_breeds/cats.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

19:16:20 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVexts )

19:16:30 mod6: So gentoo uses 'gawk' by default, and ubuntu, uses 'mawk'. So if you install 'gawk' on ubuntu, then change the script so that it calls 'gawk' instead of 'awk', all is well.

19:18:08 mod6: asciilifeform: so yeah, basically.

19:19:30 asciilifeform: i could've sworn we had this thread

19:19:34 asciilifeform: !s mawk

19:19:35 assbot: 3 results for 'mawk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mawk

19:20:34 mod6: i think we did too.

19:20:58 mod6: anyway, no worries.

19:40:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00054665 = 21.702 BTC [+]

19:45:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00055944 = 46.5454 BTC [+] {2}

19:51:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81750 @ 0.00054648 = 44.6747 BTC [-] {4}

20:01:51 shinohai: ;;ticker --market all

20:01:58 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 374.0, vol: 6318.93996717 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 380.727, vol: 4460.2787 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.79, vol: 14220.36323502 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 382.0, vol: 1.35900749 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.8603, vol: 20114.24070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 373.69, vol: 1177.9914599 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 374.022001133, vol: 99.90444738 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)

20:02:54 BingoBoingo: ;;more

20:02:55 gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.

20:03:03 BingoBoingo: ;;more shinohai

20:03:04 gribble: 381.144674541

20:05:26 shinohai: ;;more

20:05:26 gribble: 381.144674541

20:10:22 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron please to stop using twitter messaging feature.

20:10:23 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:11:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56620 @ 0.00055945 = 31.6761 BTC [+] {2}

20:25:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.0005426 = 27.7269 BTC [-] {2}

20:26:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130900 @ 0.00054201 = 70.9491 BTC [-] {2}

20:45:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106116 @ 0.0005603 = 59.4568 BTC [+] {4}

21:06:41 ben_vulpes: http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/uaz-452-52#currency=USD

21:06:41 assbot: UAZ-452 - Jeeps, Trucks & Motos - Mortarinvestments.eu - Mortar Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ru0tGK )

21:06:56 ben_vulpes: PURCHASE A UAZ-452 MINIVAN, THE INDISPENSABLE COMPANION OF YOUR LONG TRIPS TO THE NATURE.

21:09:48 shinohai: That's just begging for you to turn it into The Mystery Machine ben_vulpes

21:12:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.0005604 = 28.1601 BTC [+] {2}

21:22:16 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: classic sov 'microbus'

21:24:46 asciilifeform: in other nyooz, first-ever detection of gravity wave in real time is being claimed.

21:25:37 asciilifeform: i won't link to the newzcrud because atrocious

21:29:49 mod6: just read about that

21:30:04 BingoBoingo: From what I understand lasers and mirrors

21:30:53 shinohai: Probably just Gavin sitting down on his fat ass.

21:31:42 BingoBoingo: likely

21:32:20 mod6: Kip Thorne said, "It is by far the most powerful explosion humans have ever detected except for the big bang."

21:32:35 asciilifeform: we laugh at gavin but he's prolly set for life..

21:38:24 shinohai: Of course he is with cia paying the bills

21:43:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142050 @ 0.00055268 = 78.5082 BTC [-] {2}

21:43:29 asciilifeform: i have nfi what he does all day, but i would bet against any of it involving commute, office, or work

21:49:48 BingoBoingo: But he does it at cost of cyanide buttplug

21:50:30 asciilifeform: doubtful

21:54:42 mod6: to be ignored by the future minstrels

21:54:53 asciilifeform: mega-cost, l0l

22:00:14 asciilifeform: i mean yes, in the abstract, the fella deserves to start at nuremberg2 and flayed

22:00:19 asciilifeform: but i don't expect to live to see this.

22:00:25 asciilifeform: *star at

22:08:17 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i lolled.

22:10:03 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> we laugh at gavin but he's prolly set for life.. << just as you predicted ?

22:10:48 asciilifeform: !s from:asciilifeform predict gavin

22:10:49 assbot: 0 results for 'from:asciilifeform predict gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+predict+gavin

22:10:57 asciilifeform: !s from:ascii_field predict gavin

22:10:57 assbot: 0 results for 'from:ascii_field predict gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii_field+predict+gavin

22:10:59 asciilifeform: hm

22:11:03 asciilifeform: what did i predict.

22:12:15 ben_vulpes: shinohai: i want the http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/ats-59-artillery-tractor-275 artillery tractor

22:12:16 assbot: ATS-59 artillery tractor - Jeeps, Trucks & Motos - Mortarinvestments.eu - Mortar Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1KevUmT )

22:12:34 mircea_popescu: apparently you predicted something or the other about the oregon folks. bout the same strength of prediction as your groundless if insistend belief gavin has it well. which, for the lulz, is exactly homologuous with your prior "prediction"/firm belief that leah goodman was floating in it, which did get debunked publicly but for that reason doesn't need further mention ; or for that matter something about jews

22:12:41 mircea_popescu: whatever family was it, rothschild ?

22:12:42 asciilifeform: ah them, l0l

22:13:09 mircea_popescu: you got this special drawer of a certain kind of kimchi.

22:13:37 asciilifeform: now why groundless.

22:13:44 mircea_popescu: but anyway, you know who else was "set for lyf" ? that objectionable "open source" shithead.

22:13:49 asciilifeform: yes, there is not enough usg kimchi for ~all~ quislings to live work-free in mega-house

22:13:52 asciilifeform: true.

22:14:01 asciilifeform: eric raymond ?

22:14:02 mircea_popescu: what's his name, raymond something.

22:14:06 mircea_popescu: yea

22:14:13 asciilifeform: he was a chump, accepted payola denominated in toiletpaper

22:14:17 asciilifeform: ('stock')

22:14:40 mircea_popescu: there's only one kind ever offered. which is why http://fraudsters.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/

22:14:41 assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6aNyh )

22:15:05 asciilifeform: looks as if gavin was smarter, paid in sinecure and rent-free house ?

22:15:23 mircea_popescu: just like any teenaged slut in argentina that i stick my cock into for the time being ?

22:15:28 asciilifeform: similar!

22:15:45 asciilifeform: except most males never get half as good a deal in life

22:15:57 mircea_popescu: in infinitely more interesting news, the fundamental problem of slavery : http://40.media.tumblr.com/6c74441da85e1c5cfe00aedca0e54365/tumblr_np667iedoF1uu92gho1_1280.jpg

22:15:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KewmSd )

22:16:49 mircea_popescu: to explain : on one hand the slave is put in circumstances (be it clothing, or accoutrements, or whatnot) that make it the focus of attention, necessarily. you can't do most of those things permanently, as a thing. to understand why, imagine you'd make a silo full of puppies. how long before it is a silo full of rotting meat ?

22:17:03 asciilifeform: ugh

22:17:04 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, on the other hand the theoretical structure of the relationship is exactly opposite to this reality.

22:17:11 mircea_popescu: and hence, there's a problem!

22:17:28 asciilifeform: eventually ~everything~ is a silo of meat.

22:17:32 asciilifeform: only question of timescale.

22:17:56 asciilifeform: thermodynamics takes mercy on no one.

22:18:22 mircea_popescu: sure, but that's a consideration on a different timescale.

22:18:57 asciilifeform: how's that

22:19:24 mircea_popescu: what do you mean how. yes all puppies eventually die, but that's not what we're talking about.

22:19:39 mircea_popescu: you have a maximal puppy density that allows the biomass in question to stay puppy-shaped

22:23:22 asciilifeform: hard to argue with this

22:23:28 asciilifeform: but how does it tie to the thread..?

22:23:33 asciilifeform: am i thick?

22:24:12 *: ben_vulpes would appreciate slightly less heavyweight metaphors too

22:24:19 mircea_popescu: well no, it's unrelated. hence the "infinitely more interesting news"

22:24:25 asciilifeform: ah!

22:24:29 asciilifeform: l0l

22:24:36 asciilifeform: and here i was breaking my brain.

22:24:56 mircea_popescu: anyway. maximal density is the killer. yes, obedient slave takes whipping. there's a maximal % of her time she can spend being whipped.

22:26:25 mircea_popescu: "In a rare bid for sanity, the Harford County School District had cancelled all field trips for students into Baltimore, as it is clearly an unsafe environment. The mulattress mayor [the same whore who let the city burn and then requested that 1,000 Somali refugees be settled in Baltimore] was outraged. Phone calls were made, and the school authorities waffled, and will now be sending their children into harm's way, wh

22:26:26 mircea_popescu: ere else, but in Harm City."

22:26:30 mircea_popescu: such hate speech.

22:26:46 asciilifeform: i can only assume that if this 'engine redline' is held for long enough, mircea_popescu will throw the chick back into the wild, or otherwise expel

22:27:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't believe in externalities. so, no.

22:27:44 mircea_popescu: or mebbe we're not talking about the same thing. hm.

22:28:17 mircea_popescu: the idea is! that the picture there linked is trying to mesh two unmeshable things. notice the dude is all like "business as usual, whatever". whereas in fact, it's nothing but!

22:28:17 asciilifeform: if she requires more whipping than is readily available

22:28:37 mircea_popescu: ah ah. but i was discussing recreational whipping not educational whipping.

22:28:41 asciilifeform: ah!

22:31:06 asciilifeform: i can't even tell, what is she doing

22:31:17 asciilifeform: to what is the brush attached ?

22:31:39 asciilifeform: and why is the dude sitting there idly

22:32:09 mircea_popescu: what dop you mean, attached ? she's holding it

22:32:42 mircea_popescu: but the idea is see, he's hanging out, the mistress sleeping (as if any woman sleeps in garter belt and high heels) and the slave doing doing houseworkl

22:32:47 mircea_popescu: with a fucking wrecking ball attached.

22:33:36 asciilifeform: i immediately thought that this picture was not intended to represent 'typical day in the life' but rather is a boschian thing

22:33:39 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the cramped environment : yes, woman can be made to do either. but it wouldn't be fucking sleep or fucking work. it'd be THIS. and this is not life, this is THIS.

22:33:52 mircea_popescu: it is very mujch a boschian thing, specifically because of this tension.

22:34:01 asciilifeform: aha, that much was clear

22:34:08 mircea_popescu: it has the unmistakable immaturity of virginal youth, unaware that pegs are round, holes are square.

22:34:55 mircea_popescu: you know, people who never kept slavegirls could conceivably dream up this alt-reality where slave girls go like this.

22:35:10 mircea_popescu: i suppose if we must have an aesop, someone who wasn';t ever gavin might imagine things about how being gavin is.

22:35:17 mircea_popescu: but still ... the pegs and the holes.

22:35:26 asciilifeform: it did not even occur to me that anyone would think this.

22:35:40 mircea_popescu: i know plenty of people who think exactly this.

22:35:54 mircea_popescu: ~exactly~ this. and very much don't want to think otherwise, either.

22:36:05 asciilifeform: if i show a picture of, e.g., chess players, what , viewer will assume that they play from dawn to dusk until they drop, and while cleaning the house, eating, shitting ?

22:36:17 mircea_popescu: it is possible.

22:36:50 mircea_popescu: if shown a cheesecake picture, they DO in fact imagine that the woman looks like that from dawn to dusk, while shitting, etc.

22:36:56 asciilifeform: i don't even sadomasochate but i always assumed that it was a hobby like any other

22:37:01 mircea_popescu: what shitting! cheesecake chicks don't even fart.

22:37:03 asciilifeform: you do it for some time and then do other thing

22:37:10 mircea_popescu: not quite.

22:38:07 asciilifeform: well sure, there is a certain amount of 'like sledding? like pulling sled too!'

22:38:23 asciilifeform: gotta set up household for the pets, etc?

22:39:16 mircea_popescu: not what i meant. depends on what variant one entertains etc, but there is such a thing where the slave's the slave throughout the day, do what she may.

22:40:33 asciilifeform: aha but still this involves more housework than walking with weights, i'd imagine ?

22:41:10 mircea_popescu: yeah i dunno why you'd be walking with weighs, big calves aren't particularly in demand.

22:41:25 asciilifeform: but i think i see where mircea_popescu is going, this is the old 'thirsty man thinks he can drink the sea' theorem

22:42:40 mircea_popescu: well... i guess. more akin to "boy sees no use for veggies, they're getting in the way of cake"

22:43:14 asciilifeform: more of how the boy might have problems grasping why his parents do anything other than eating cake

22:43:20 mircea_popescu: quite!

22:43:23 mircea_popescu: that does it.

22:43:49 mircea_popescu: i suspect every youthful generation's conviction the previous people are dumb and generally suck has a lot to do with this.

22:43:51 asciilifeform: and it does not take a heroic amount of introspection to find oneself int his picture

22:44:11 asciilifeform: i, for instance, am fixated on free time and escape from workschwitz

22:44:22 asciilifeform: can't imagine what i might possibly want, if had that

22:44:24 mircea_popescu: that's not bad caker.

22:45:04 asciilifeform: imagine if all the cake you ever got to eat was, say, 20 grams max

22:45:13 asciilifeform: so you know what it tastes like and that's it.

22:46:23 mircea_popescu: aha

22:47:58 *: asciilifeform had not done what most folks think of as 'vacation' since 2011

22:48:11 mircea_popescu: i never did that.

22:48:16 mircea_popescu: vacation fucking sucks.

22:49:17 jurov: when i was a kid i have imagined adults fulfill their desires in some secret magical way, so that they don't eat cake all the time

22:49:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was never a slave, so probably can't even conceptualize it

22:49:58 mircea_popescu: no but seriously... spend some time doing SOMETHING OTHER than what you're doing ? dude, if i thought this is a good idea... i would just stop doing what i;m doing. that day. forever. wtf.

22:50:10 mircea_popescu: jurov not a bad working model for a preteen huh

22:50:11 asciilifeform: aha because mircea_popescu has a choice !

22:50:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the monty python "there are two kinds of people" sketch ?

22:51:13 asciilifeform: no but i can easily picture where this goes

22:51:33 asciilifeform: 'there are mircea_popescus and there are offal, off to the fermentation vats, offal'

22:52:16 mircea_popescu: they pretend to be wilde, shaw and i dun recall who.

22:52:36 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxXW6tfl2Y0

22:52:37 assbot: Writers (Wilde, Shaw) - Monty Python's Flying Circus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlBPJ )

22:53:04 mircea_popescu: http://www.montypython.net/scripts/oscar.php << check it out, script available!

22:53:05 assbot: Monty Python: The Oscar Wilde Sketch ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlG5Z )

22:53:26 jurov: everyone has a choice. but choices have consequences, at least for mere mortals.

22:53:40 asciilifeform: ^

22:53:51 BingoBoingo: Sufficient butthurt to fissure the anus https://archive.is/PPOg5

22:53:52 assbot: As ClassicCoin Client Hits Release, Miners Formally Reject It : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlL9C )

22:53:59 mircea_popescu: choices have consequences for everyone. the "mere mortals" care about consequences.

22:54:56 asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu 'doesn't care' - at all - how come he doesn't, e.g., factor rsa using everett's device ?

22:55:14 asciilifeform: all of the 'stop caring' theory really resolves to it, as i understand

22:55:14 mircea_popescu: because wtf do i care about rsa ?

22:55:29 jurov: for example i'm recently considering to close coinbr, it would simplify my life considerably as it tends to desync from mpex at the worst possible times

22:55:29 asciilifeform: so only because mircea_popescu has no key he urgently needs to break ?

22:55:36 mircea_popescu: i am, and for years have been, destroying the usg through everett's device.

22:55:37 jurov: but -- gotta eat.

22:55:48 jurov: or should i say fuck it?

22:56:00 jurov: dont care?

22:56:04 mircea_popescu: jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-01-2016#1387080

22:56:04 assbot: Logged on 27-01-2016 16:26:09; mircea_popescu: no one can tell a man what his fucking life looks like!

22:58:26 asciilifeform: btw there is a version that turing discovered everett's device before everett

22:58:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00056041 = 10.9 BTC [+] {3}

22:58:29 asciilifeform: and fired it.

22:58:55 jurov: but i can definitely tell myself that hacking trb and eulora client by deep immersion for days would be better life than this.

22:59:51 jurov: maybe someday when i learn to live off air.

22:59:59 asciilifeform: aha teach me also.

23:00:03 mircea_popescu: in other "life sucks" news, i've been trying to buy a red lacquered fine leather ball gag for the past fucking week. this country thinks itself a masterful leather manufacturer, NOBODY has it.

23:00:21 mircea_popescu: everybody has the same cheapo chinese 50cent crap they're trying to sell for 20 bux.

23:00:33 asciilifeform: l0l this is 3rd week now ?

23:00:37 asciilifeform: !s ball gag

23:00:38 assbot: 2 results for 'ball gag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ball+gag

23:00:58 mircea_popescu: 2nd i guess.

23:01:03 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-02-2016#1393289 aha

23:01:03 assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 22:03:10; mircea_popescu: in other news : mp decides new heels and dress would go very well with a shiny-red lacquered leather ball gag. proceeds to inquire with a dozen or so sex shops in the farming town. they ALL have the same exact item.

23:01:47 asciilifeform: jurov: i spend most of every day churning out crud that nobody will ~even read~

23:02:02 asciilifeform: (most of the time, at any rate)

23:02:10 mircea_popescu: stop slandering the cosmococcic corporation alfie.

23:02:27 jurov: i'm not actually into who-has-it-worse contests

23:02:48 asciilifeform: l0l

23:03:04 asciilifeform: it isn't a ~bad job~

23:03:15 asciilifeform: could be substantially worse.

23:03:42 asciilifeform: 'i thought i had a good job! but that was before i learned, how we'd make 'new and tasty' ! '

23:06:30 mircea_popescu: to get back to the news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/7e5143d6c21be74b2aef262921920363/tumblr_nw9o4llWfR1qlne6uo1_500.gif

23:06:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xmnc84 )

23:07:05 jurov: if i found out nobody cares about my work, could not resist throwing in something spiteful

23:07:32 mircea_popescu: most of civilisation is built on trusted work by various people. who do you think reads most doctors' reports ?

23:08:00 mircea_popescu: actuaries could sink any firm, and nobody'd notice until after they did it - seen this one play out time and again on ws ever since the gaus copula bs\

23:08:01 BingoBoingo: The lawyers?

23:08:04 mircea_popescu: and for that matter long before.

23:08:08 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 1 in 1000 if that.

23:08:23 mircea_popescu: most software is never fucking read.

23:08:24 BingoBoingo: Depends where you are how many doctors notes get read by lawyers

23:10:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is still thinking like a normal person in some honest non-soviet economy

23:11:02 asciilifeform: where things such as doctors and accountants exist

23:11:13 mircea_popescu: i did say civilisation.

23:11:24 asciilifeform: i'd like to visit civilization.

23:11:25 mircea_popescu: for the record, the us is an example of nothing and a measuring stick for nothing,

23:11:34 mircea_popescu: ghana is more relevant to any discussion than the united states.

23:11:57 asciilifeform: iirc ghana, like many abject shitholes, is 100% usgtronic

23:12:39 mircea_popescu: ghana existed long before the british were invented.

23:12:50 asciilifeform: iroquois also existed

23:12:57 asciilifeform: but modern usa is not them.

23:13:00 asciilifeform: ditto ghana.

23:13:33 mircea_popescu: well technically... the arabs conquered them.

23:13:43 mircea_popescu: but anyway, one of the few and far between actual cultures in africa.

23:14:17 mircea_popescu: (ftr, the camel is not native to africa. was introduced, with an effect similar to the introduction of metalworking in europe)

23:14:38 asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu is right, the sheer phantasmagoric disconnect from physical reality in usaschwitz has no analogue anywhere else in known spacetime

23:15:14 mircea_popescu: a dream, no matter how shared, is not a thing, nor could be a thing, and so does not matter to any actual thing.

23:15:23 asciilifeform: interestingly, camel was introduced to the americas in early 19th c

23:15:25 asciilifeform: and even took hold

23:15:31 asciilifeform: but for some reason nobody rides them

23:15:42 asciilifeform: (i am told that there are places where they can be.. hunted)

23:16:34 mircea_popescu: camel needs a lot of training to be ridden

23:16:51 asciilifeform: more than horse ?

23:16:57 mircea_popescu: think bronco busting, and then think camel is roughly 2x the size.

23:17:05 asciilifeform: ah this yes

23:17:07 mircea_popescu: much more than horse. for one thing, horse loves people.

23:17:27 mircea_popescu: camel, like mule, doesn';t really give a shit.

23:19:36 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the third person in the monty python sketch was whistler. "I shall be born when and where I want, and I do not choose to be born in Lowell." whistler.

23:21:13 asciilifeform: l0l!

23:28:59 mircea_popescu: and in further news of pseudopolicial boobality, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llvna1qKvT1qjngnjo1_1280.jpg

23:29:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xmpmoe )

23:37:54 BingoBoingo: Last American president Jefferson Davis signed of on the import of camels when he was just a Senator

23:40:57 BingoBoingo: "It is virtually impossible to overload a camel. When, in a camel's considered opinion, the load strapped to it is excessive; it simply will not rise. Neither cursing nor beatings will budge an overloaded camel." << http://www.desertusa.com/animals/desert-camel-experiment.html

23:40:58 assbot: Desert Camel in America's southwest deserts - DesertUSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmqwzS )

23:47:42 gernika: Interesting. Looks like camels originally evolved in North America.

23:47:49 gernika: well, the americas

23:48:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48607 @ 0.00056042 = 27.2403 BTC [+]

23:50:45 BingoBoingo: Well, prehistoric camels had some role, but creation does not have a block chain so until all bones are dug and cataloged there is an element of mystery here

23:51:42 gernika: I suppose DNA is not a blockchain? Proof of sex?

23:52:05 BingoBoingo: Random noise gets introduced, DNA does error correction poorly

23:52:25 BingoBoingo: I'm just disappointed giant ground sloths did not make it to the present

23:53:01 BingoBoingo: At one point there were the avacado's only natural predator

23:54:49 gernika: Damn Paleo-Indians.

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