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00:00:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00403528 = 0.4277 BTC [-] {4}

00:17:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001772 = 0.1772 BTC [-] {4}

00:22:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.04240333 = 1.2721 BTC [+] {3}

00:24:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00087326 = 16.4173 BTC [+]

00:28:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02190005 = 0.2847 BTC [-] {3}

00:28:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07000002 = 0.14 BTC [-]

00:29:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.043 = 0.129 BTC [+] {3}

00:31:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6089995 = 4.263 BTC [+] {5}

00:49:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0039988 = 0.1999 BTC [-]

00:50:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 794 @ 0.00401378 = 3.1869 BTC [+] {3}

01:34:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00594457 = 0.1189 BTC [-] {5}

01:35:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00586121 = 0.4103 BTC [-] {4}

01:36:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6128 @ 0.00087421 = 5.3572 BTC [+]

01:47:22 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ says final dividend is 8100 btc, but exactly half of that made it onto the mpoe statement on mpex (http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE)

01:47:34 copumpkin: what am I missing?

01:49:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00087326 = 11.1341 BTC [-]

01:51:49 kakobrekla: the float on exchange is only half of all

01:52:01 copumpkin: oh

01:52:10 copumpkin: fair enough :)

02:01:20 benkay: just to fuck with us, copumpkin.

02:04:34 kakobrekla: dunno if this was here already

02:04:37 kakobrekla: www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1zhjwh/certificate_verification_vulnerability_in_all/

02:08:48 benkay: mhm

02:09:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00087245 = 41.9212 BTC [-] {4}

02:17:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087062 = 3.6566 BTC [-]

02:26:27 nubbins`: as of today, march 10, 2014, it is illegal to ride in the bed of a pickup truck in this province

02:31:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00087355 = 5.285 BTC [+]

02:33:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00087355 = 7.4252 BTC [+]

02:36:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1039 @ 0.00422801 = 4.3929 BTC [+] {11}

02:38:17 bloctoc: Artifex just tried to scam me

02:40:10 artifexd: Me?

02:40:30 copumpkin: artifexd: quit scamming!

02:40:31 bloctoc: nope Artifex

02:40:42 copumpkin: bloctoc: oh, from -otc?

02:40:43 artifexd: I didn't do it. Seriously

02:40:54 copumpkin: bloctoc: you have a transcript?

02:41:13 bloctoc: I'll check

02:42:25 bloctoc: can't find a transcript anywhere in textual but I'm not a textual expert. if anyone knows if that's possible?

02:42:39 bloctoc: to pull up a transcript?

02:42:54 nubbins`: ;;ident bloctoc

02:42:54 gribble: Nick 'bloctoc', with hostmask 'bloctoc!~bloctoc@c-50-168-9-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net', is not identified.

02:42:57 nubbins`: ;;ident artifexd

02:42:57 gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is not identified.

02:43:11 nubbins`: ;;gettrust bloctoc

02:43:11 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013

02:43:14 artifexd: One sec and I'll ident. Cause it wasn't me.

02:43:16 nubbins`: ;;gettrust artifexd

02:43:17 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user artifexd: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=artifexd | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=artifexd | Rated since: Wed Mar 5 02:06:14 2014

02:43:21 bloctoc: Artifex not artifexd

02:43:25 nubbins`: IDGAF, just curious ;p

02:43:35 nubbins`: oh

02:43:35 artifexd: Then I'll sit down and shut up.

02:43:40 nubbins`: who's artifex?

02:44:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087407 = 10.8385 BTC [+] {4}

02:44:36 bloctoc: Artifex is just someone who pm'd me and tried to scam. I sent a warning. that's all

02:44:53 bloctoc: artifexd != Artifex

02:44:54 nubbins`: he's not even in here :(

02:44:58 benkay: ;;gettrust Artifex

02:44:59 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Artifex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Artifex | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Artifex | Rated since: Sat May 7 03:44:47 2011

02:45:18 nubbins`: guise my neighbour tried to scam me

02:45:23 benkay: dat +5 with a -30

02:45:29 nubbins`: her name is captain sally rockwell

02:46:07 nubbins`: benkay: check the -30's ratings

02:46:11 nubbins`: dollar chargebacks

02:46:12 nubbins`: lel

02:47:22 artifexd: ;;ident

02:47:22 gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None

02:48:14 benkay: it's a lot of money in some parts of the world, nubbins`.

02:48:30 nubbins`: too true

02:50:09 copumpkin: bloctoc: what kind of scam? just an offer to buy or was it genuinely sketchy?

02:50:50 bloctoc: it looks like it's still going. he's trying to buy btc from me and sell to someone else in bitcoin-otc

02:51:51 copumpkin: oh

02:54:11 nubbins`: not much to be done about it in here

02:54:20 nubbins`: report it in -otc and be done with it

02:54:44 nubbins`: everybody knows unsolicited PMs are the mark of a scammer

02:56:57 kakobrekla: bloctoc theres like no btc usd trading happening here ever

02:57:21 nubbins`: ^

02:57:46 bloctoc: he tried to copy/paste the get trust results into chat.

02:59:20 nubbins`: yep, scammers do that

02:59:33 nubbins`: not much you can do about it, i wouldn't get too wound up

03:01:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3787 @ 0.00391884 = 14.8406 BTC [-] {36}

03:02:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 11213 @ 0.00351718 = 39.4381 BTC [-] {46}

03:05:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9494 @ 0.00331059 = 31.4307 BTC [-] {10}

03:06:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00312698 = 4.6905 BTC [-] {12}

03:07:28 mircea_popescu: copumpkin well half the shares are treasury

03:07:36 copumpkin: congrats :)

03:07:57 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: you're going to need a moneybin soon, like uncle scrooge has

03:07:57 mircea_popescu: Mar 04 11:22:27 <assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share

03:08:32 mircea_popescu: no because it's all digital see

03:08:40 mircea_popescu: they're not real money, because they have no value backing them

03:08:57 benkay: satoshi's fiat

03:08:58 nubbins`: what is real, anyway

03:09:10 *: benkay pictures a crypto-car

03:09:19 *: benkay pictures a really shitty crypto car

03:09:22 *: nubbins` pictures a queen music video

03:09:32 copumpkin: mircea_popescu: oh damn, I keep forgetting that

03:09:35 copumpkin: oh well

03:09:55 mircea_popescu: @Wolverineks ? 7h @Beautyon_ i used to think @Mircea_Popescu was full of shit. Now I know I was just dumb.

03:09:59 mircea_popescu: dude twitter is like an ego trip

03:10:10 mircea_popescu: why can't you people be more like lloyd braun!

03:10:53 copumpkin: lol

03:11:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00087025 = 39.7704 BTC [-] {3}

03:15:27 mircea_popescu: @Wolverineks I am not going to argue this. That man is a dyed in the wool genius, no doubt about it. Go read his blog.

03:15:42 mircea_popescu: i gotta make a collection of these for the benefit of the forum fans

03:16:03 mircea_popescu: o wait, actually there's an entire thread dedicated to that huh. a well.

03:18:19 mircea_popescu: moving on, http://25.media.tumblr.com/7ffcb293eedca83d0ebe220277c678d2/tumblr_mz3p7yo4071s0tgwso1_1280.jpg

03:19:00 nubbins`: hmm

03:33:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19740 @ 0.00087197 = 17.2127 BTC [+]

03:52:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (unrelated) consider one day telling the tale of where you dug up MPOEPR.

03:53:17 mircea_popescu: friend of a friend.

03:54:23 asciilifeform: aha

03:55:18 mircea_popescu: how else, you know ?

03:56:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00310001 = 0.3441 BTC [-] {3}

03:56:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23529 @ 0.00086786 = 20.4199 BTC [-] {2}

03:57:04 asciilifeform: yeah, has to be that, or you built her from scratch.

03:57:27 mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as scratch

04:01:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06899603 = 1.7249 BTC [-] {6}

04:04:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'entropy' link was epic. author deserves some kind of medal. 'Order of Golden Turd, First Class' ?

04:06:09 mircea_popescu: which one is this ?

04:06:17 asciilifeform: i don't think i've ever read such an artful piece of disinfo

04:06:47 asciilifeform: http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom

04:06:48 ozbot: Myths about /dev/urandom

04:07:00 mircea_popescu: moiety yes i am.

04:07:12 mircea_popescu: o that. well... his gross point re random/urandom has some validity

04:07:21 asciilifeform: or the linked:

04:07:28 asciilifeform: http://blog.cr.yp.to/20140205-entropy.html

04:07:28 ozbot: cr.yp.to:

04:07:30 mircea_popescu: tbh i figure it's just random kid that overheard the adults talking and ran off with whatever he misunderstood of it

04:08:25 asciilifeform: watch where he proposes a pill against the recent (theretical) break of lattice crypto.

04:08:54 mircea_popescu: o look, moiety is actually kinda cute irl, if somewhat upside down

04:10:34 asciilifeform: it's not a kid, the bastard knows what he's doing.

04:11:11 asciilifeform: or rather, what he wishes us to do.

04:11:58 mircea_popescu: what'd that be ?

04:12:24 asciilifeform: running off prng, for one

04:12:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999999 BTC [+]

04:13:07 asciilifeform: this chap is not a schneier, he's an 'fda grade-A' mathematical judas goat.

04:13:26 mircea_popescu: let's consider some fun facts together : gpg takes ~5 minutes to generate a 2k key

04:13:39 mircea_popescu: bitcoind/qt take 0 seconds to generate a new address.

04:13:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00086746 = 14.9637 BTC [-] {4}

04:14:00 Mats_cd03: .bait

04:14:02 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/faf83800206c12c27f60c7a286a61fa7/tumblr_meuv4isDQ81rzw5ydo1_500.jpg

04:14:06 mircea_popescu: then people derp about how incredible secure bitcoin addressing is

04:14:12 mircea_popescu: sure, it *could* be.

04:14:22 asciilifeform: ecc remains mystery meat.

04:14:57 asciilifeform: yeah, we've been eating it, no ill effects - so far.

04:15:21 mircea_popescu: but leaving that aside for a moment, bitcoin runs off prng

04:16:47 asciilifeform: bad rng is not a magical instant death

04:17:00 mircea_popescu: artifexd nubbins` bloctoc well, that artifex guy in the wot has all his ratings during may/june of 2011

04:17:01 asciilifeform: attack against rng should be seen as 'part of a balanced diet' of pwnage

04:17:08 mircea_popescu: most likely someone stole the nickserv reg

04:17:32 mircea_popescu: !t h neobee

04:17:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00301000 / 0.003579 / 0.00425000 (33532 shares, 120.01086616 BTC), 7D: 0.00301000 / 0.00401661 / 0.00497520 (116451 shares, 467.73874230 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.00439242 / 0.00600000 (621992 shares, 2732.04948959 BTC)

04:17:42 mircea_popescu: honeymoon over huh

04:18:23 artifexd: About an hour ago someone dumped 20k+ shares and emptied the orderbook from .004 to .003.

04:18:24 benkay: !t h rent

04:18:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00586004 / 0.00626295 / 0.00662900 (296 shares, 1.85383408 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00557609 / 0.00900001 (29516 shares, 164.58401921 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00553635 / 0.00900001 (61796 shares, 342.12401921 BTC)

04:19:25 mircea_popescu: artifexd news or something ?

04:19:45 artifexd: Not that I know. I've looked and didn't find anything.

04:19:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.0008672 = 10.0162 BTC [-]

04:19:55 mircea_popescu: cbg resigned i see

04:20:30 mircea_popescu: turks claim they're coming to terms with the greeks

04:21:01 mircea_popescu: what sort of a twisted joke is having your central bank run by a guy whose name is panicos

04:21:21 chetty_: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/10/the-messages-on-these-condom-wrappers-were-deemed-too-sexually-suggestive-to-hand-out-to-high-schoolers/

04:21:22 ozbot: The Messages on These Condom Wrappers Were Deemed Too Sexually Suggestive to Hand Out to High School

04:21:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 277 @ 0.00357557 = 0.9904 BTC [+] {7}

04:22:26 mircea_popescu: chetty_ lmao, what are they supposed to say, "o hi, this is just a baloon" ?

04:23:21 chetty_: makes as much sense as most things - which is to say - none

04:24:28 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/momsmt/status/440987057775575040 << this is the twe4et in question

04:24:29 ozbot: Twitter / momsmt: Free condoms @bostonschools ...

04:24:40 mircea_popescu: why am i reading in the blaze about what some nobody said ?

04:24:50 mircea_popescu: is it because the blaze is trying to fish for imaginary controversy ?

04:25:16 Duffer1: that's kinda their thing

04:25:25 benkay: i met an ex-teacher while drinking beers after closing a deal the other day. he mentioned teaching sex-ed in an abstinence-only situation, and when I asked him "so how do you actually teach them?!" he said something along the lines of "well the smart ones can read between the lines"

04:25:44 benkay: this dodges entirely the question of how to educate the idiots who aren't reading, much less inferring.

04:26:02 Duffer1: it's glen becks bullshit factory

04:26:30 mircea_popescu: sex ed should basically consist of assisted fucking. "now all the girls take off their clothes. give your panties to the boy you'd like to fuck you"

04:26:38 mircea_popescu: "now all the boys take off their clothes. put your condom on like so"

04:26:47 mircea_popescu: "now go fuck"

04:27:47 benkay: but the feeeewiiiings

04:27:48 mircea_popescu: "don't push that way, more like this. there you go"

04:27:57 benkay: "i didn't get any panties!"

04:28:03 mircea_popescu: yeah, then mock all the teens that finish too early.

04:28:13 mircea_popescu: benkay sluts obviously don't need further training.

04:29:02 chetty_: well all that time in sex ed they dont have to bother teaching hard stuff like maths

04:29:29 mircea_popescu: if kids got laid once a week mandatorily maths'd prolly be a lot easier to teach

04:30:32 benkay: fr srs

04:30:37 mircea_popescu: oh, now i see the wisdom of what you said.

04:30:50 mircea_popescu: i suppose the kids that don't get any panties for five weeks running are going to be gelded

04:30:56 mircea_popescu: for free, sponsored by obamacare

04:31:29 Duffer1: obamacare is best care, comrade

04:31:51 benkay: what, me wisdom?

04:31:56 mircea_popescu: then all the testicles thus obtained could be canned into pet food, shipped to stray dog shelters

04:32:02 benkay: <Duffer1> obamacare is best care, comrade << nice

04:32:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.093389 = 0.4669 BTC [+] {2}

04:32:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.0008672 = 17.6475 BTC [-]

04:33:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}

04:33:39 mircea_popescu: fun fact : the cypriot government pre-collapse ? communist.

04:34:57 Duffer1: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/03/09/rethinking-the-40-hour-work-week/reduce-the-workweek-to-30-hours

04:34:57 ozbot: Reduce the Workweek to 30 Hours - NYTimes.com

04:36:26 BingoBoingo: Oh, some miner finally sold some ATC

04:38:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, do you readily know of a problem mersene might have as a crypto prng?

04:39:21 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/443094155921588224 this guy is pretty lulzy

04:39:22 ozbot: Twitter / DorianSatoshi: @TheBitcoinWife Can you tell ...

04:44:49 nubbins`: more testicles means more iron

04:45:04 nubbins`: those "ONE" brand condoms have tons of different designs, it's their thing

04:45:28 nubbins`: also impossibly difficult to open iirc

04:46:25 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah i was thinking, who the fuck makes round wrappers

04:46:31 mircea_popescu: the corners are there for a god damned purpose

04:46:38 nubbins`: nod

04:46:46 benkay: what, you need a perforated strip too?!

04:46:47 nubbins`: "maybe if we package these tennis balls in a large sphere"

04:47:07 nubbins`: benkay, go buy a pack of ONE condoms and open 'em all on your first try

04:47:09 nubbins`: i dare ya

04:47:47 kakobrekla: now we came to the roots of round corner hate.

04:48:05 mircea_popescu: benkay for instance i hate the durex brand because not only they fit much too tightly, but uber-retarded wrapping.

04:48:25 mircea_popescu: magnums are comfortable, the box is non-plastic and perforated, the individual wrappers tear easily.

04:48:37 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hahaha i guess you caught me

04:50:08 nubbins`: the ones with the roomy tips are nice

04:51:24 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/cornul-abundentei-sau-ma-rog/

04:51:25 ozbot: Cornul abundentei. Sau ma rog… pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:51:34 nubbins`: "The condoms should have had more realistic pictures on them. Such as a teenager laying in bed with a baby crying in the background and an alarm clock showing 2 am, or a teenager with a paper hat on cooking fries."

04:51:35 nubbins`: heh

04:52:25 mircea_popescu: wait, why are these realistic for condoms ?

04:52:38 nubbins`: "get a job or you'll be asking people if they want fries with that" turns into "what are you, too good for a fast food job?" and people wonder why the kids are confused

04:52:43 mircea_popescu: those should be the illustration on absent condoms

04:52:52 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: because your sin pokes holes in them

04:53:01 mircea_popescu: in who, in the girls ?

04:53:10 asciilifeform: the illustration on absent condoms << 'sound of one hand clapping'

04:53:11 nubbins`: the condoms!

04:53:51 mircea_popescu: im confused.

04:54:10 nubbins`: "Try these sayings: 1 Corinthians 6:18 Leviticus 18:22 Colossians 3:5"

04:54:15 nubbins`: i actually won't try those sayings

04:54:23 mircea_popescu: ;;google Corinthians 6:18

04:54:24 gribble: 1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee from sexual immorality. All other - Bible ...: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6:18; 1 Corinthians 6:18 ESV - Flee from sexual immorality. Every - Bible ...: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A18&version=ESV; 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 - Flee from sexual immorality. All other - Bible ...: (1 more message)

04:54:37 nubbins`: well, that's short and sweet

04:54:37 mircea_popescu: derp.

04:54:51 nubbins`: ;;google leviticus 18:22

04:54:51 mircea_popescu: what's this, "How to be fucktarded, a guide" ?

04:54:51 gribble: Leviticus 18:22 - “'Do not have sexual relations with - Bible Gateway: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+18:22; Leviticus 18:22 KJV - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as - Bible ...: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+18%3A22&version=KJV; Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one ...: (1 more message)

04:54:58 nubbins`: ah, heh

04:55:17 mircea_popescu: well... this leviticus is one i could get behind

04:55:25 mircea_popescu: oops.

04:56:05 nubbins`: afaik leviticus 18:22 instructs you not to fuck men in their pussies

04:56:21 nubbins`: odd advice to give

04:56:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.000871 = 32.7496 BTC [+] {2}

04:56:29 nubbins`: ;;google colossians 3:5

04:56:30 gribble: Colossians 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your ...: http://biblehub.com/colossians/3-5.htm; Colossians 3:5 KJV - Mortify therefore your members which - Bible ...: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+3:5&version=KJV; Colossians 3:5 - Put to death, therefore, whatever - Bible Gateway: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+3:5

04:57:12 nubbins`: "Why doesn’t the school just go for broke and provide kids with alcohol and copies of the Kama Sutra"

04:57:16 mircea_popescu: http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f149/447815d1367782489-man-pussy-buck-20angel-20-283-29.jpg

04:57:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00087206 = 4.3603 BTC [+] {2}

04:57:52 nubbins`: the bible forbids it

04:57:56 nubbins`: you have to fuck him in the ass

04:58:28 mircea_popescu: imo it's her

04:59:01 nubbins`: ya think?

05:00:13 mircea_popescu: tis possible.

05:01:46 asciilifeform: what illustration on absent parachutes !

05:02:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform parasuta is, of course, yet another way to say whore in romanian.

05:02:17 asciilifeform: ahahah!

05:02:31 mircea_popescu: along with firecracker, rag and roadster

05:02:40 nubbins`: ah, internet says f2m

05:02:50 mircea_popescu: f2m ?!

05:02:53 nubbins`: nod

05:02:59 mircea_popescu: ;;ud f2m

05:03:00 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=f2m | f2m. 1. Technically stands for Female to Male AKA "FTM". 2. Describes someone born w/ a Female physical form who feels they are actually male & were born ...

05:03:02 ozbot: Urban Dictionary: f2m

05:03:08 mircea_popescu: aok

05:03:12 nubbins`: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5cPTXau3a9c/UU1OznQqMeI/AAAAAAAApRs/4bqxtTnx8yI/s1600/131.jpg

05:03:50 mircea_popescu: if anyone is looking for a crazy hard exercise of romanian translation, i dare recomend http://fraudsters.com/2009/nevoi/

05:03:55 mircea_popescu: i'd rate it postdoctoral level.

05:04:37 nubbins`: bed time

05:09:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00368999 = 0.214 BTC [+] {2}

05:12:41 Mats_cd03: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/can-this-70-dongle-stem-the-epidemic-of-password-breaches/

05:12:42 ozbot: Can this $70 dongle stem the epidemic of password breaches? | Ars Technica

05:12:58 Mats_cd03: isnt this inferior compared to yubikey

05:17:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]

05:18:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.615 = 1.23 BTC [+]

05:19:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61971428 = 4.338 BTC [+] {4}

05:20:41 Mats_cd03: idk much about this crypto shit except that the dongle seems to have more entropy? feel free to chime in if you know anything

05:26:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00375499 = 0.1502 BTC [+] {5}

05:26:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62798165 = 3.7679 BTC [+] {5}

05:27:43 benkay: http://getpopcornti.me/

05:27:51 benkay: amazed it took so long.

05:27:55 benkay: ;;lasers

05:27:56 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

05:30:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62999 = 1.26 BTC [+]

05:31:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.635 = 2.54 BTC [+] {3}

05:32:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.641 = 2.564 BTC [+] {3}

05:33:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00087427 = 14.6877 BTC [+] {3}

05:33:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.643 = 1.929 BTC [+] {2}

05:35:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.642 BTC [-]

05:36:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6468857 = 4.5282 BTC [+] {4}

05:37:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.65000545 = 7.1501 BTC [+] {4}

05:38:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00381932 = 0.1146 BTC [+] {5}

05:40:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00087514 = 13.3896 BTC [+]

05:40:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00599112 = 0.1737 BTC [+] {3}

05:44:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00360003 = 0.288 BTC [-] {3}

05:44:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00599709 = 1.1994 BTC [+] {5}

05:44:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.647 = 3.235 BTC [-]

05:45:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00355001 = 0.2805 BTC [-] {4}

05:46:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00350793 = 0.5297 BTC [-] {6}

05:46:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.006 = 0.624 BTC [+]

05:47:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.00609897 = 0.7868 BTC [+] {2}

05:48:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.0061 = 0.793 BTC [+]

05:48:40 antephialtic: Mircea_Popescu: you should get Marc Andreessen to invest in bitbet (https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/443260220379115520)

05:51:45 benkay: what funding does bitbet need, antephialtic?

05:52:36 antephialtic: probably not any. But Andreessen would probably purchase some shares

05:54:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22843 @ 0.00087412 = 19.9675 BTC [-] {2}

05:54:30 benkay: mpex is right over there

05:54:43 benkay: and coinbr just a hop skip and a jump from that

06:01:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00604 = 0.151 BTC [-] {2}

06:15:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02295749 = 0.1377 BTC [+] {2}

06:16:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0061 = 0.122 BTC [+]

06:19:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.00613973 = 3.6838 BTC [+] {7}

06:21:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 281 @ 0.0062858 = 1.7663 BTC [+] {6}

06:23:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00633876 = 1.3311 BTC [+] {6}

06:25:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1294 @ 0.00645587 = 8.3539 BTC [+] {9}

06:26:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 302 @ 0.00649911 = 1.9627 BTC [+] {7}

06:27:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.0065 = 0.1885 BTC [+]

06:31:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00087087 = 14.3258 BTC [-] {2}

06:36:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00345 = 1.035 BTC [-] {4}

06:55:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.0425605 = 1.0215 BTC [-] {22}

06:58:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]

06:58:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00086933 = 19.5165 BTC [-] {2}

06:58:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0933898 = 0.1868 BTC [+] {2}

06:58:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]

06:59:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0422875 = 0.1692 BTC [-] {3}

06:59:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0933898 = 0.3736 BTC [+] {2}

06:59:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]

07:07:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00086958 = 5.7392 BTC [+]

07:07:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}

07:08:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0933898 = 0.4669 BTC [+] {2}

07:08:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] {2}

07:09:52 BingoBoingo: That he doesn't know of BitBet does not bode well for them.

07:14:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00087445 = 16.4397 BTC [+] {2}

07:26:17 Apocalyptic: hum, so Openex appears to be insolvent and is closing, guy is confused about what to do with outstanding balances

07:31:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00087137 = 13.1577 BTC [-]

07:33:15 BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Glad you made that exchange

07:33:35 BingoBoingo: Or... ATC would have gotten completely goxxed

07:34:01 Apocalyptic: looks like it, hope the ATC guys didn't have much ATC there

07:35:54 BingoBoingo: I moved out

07:43:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0008698 = 4.0011 BTC [-] {2}

07:44:30 KRS-One: .bait

07:44:31 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb6r1pggNB1rqnok6o1_500.jpg

07:44:39 KRS-One: .bait

07:44:40 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ljt79Ttn1qdistlo1_1280.jpg

07:47:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29313 @ 0.0008755 = 25.6635 BTC [+] {4}

07:47:28 cazalla: kuka robot lost

07:47:42 cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIIJME8-au8

07:47:57 cazalla: looks more like an advertisement than a match though

07:48:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10228999 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {2}

07:48:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0681003 = 0.2043 BTC [-] {2}

07:50:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06800001 = 0.204 BTC [-]

08:29:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1500 @ 0.00600322 = 9.0048 BTC [-] {8}

08:34:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22737 @ 0.00087534 = 19.9026 BTC [-] {4}

08:38:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19646 @ 0.00087631 = 17.216 BTC [+]

08:49:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00087467 = 6.1227 BTC [-]

08:50:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00087263 = 2.3561 BTC [-] {2}

09:14:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00087099 = 11.3229 BTC [-]

09:27:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00087407 = 2.797 BTC [+]

09:33:16 jurov: ;;bc,stats

09:33:18 gribble: Current Blocks: 290007 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 296 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 44 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4193481648.71 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.90003

09:33:37 Apocalyptic: .d

09:33:37 ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 296 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.8229% in 1d 20h 15m 59s

09:34:49 jurov: http://bitbet.us/bet/596/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-less-than-10/ ya know...

09:35:01 ozbot: BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10%

09:42:36 *: dub switches chains ;)

09:45:42 jurov: ;;prevdiffchange

09:45:49 gribble: 21.92473

09:46:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00018 = 0.1395 BTC [-]

09:49:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.005868 = 0.2934 BTC [-] {3}

09:55:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04217 = 0.2109 BTC [+]

09:56:00 *: jurov bribes dub to stay off btc

09:57:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.06726552 = 3.0942 BTC [-] {10}

10:05:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00087099 = 13.7181 BTC [-]

10:12:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00087099 = 6.6631 BTC [-]

10:37:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00086905 = 17.6852 BTC [-] {3}

10:43:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18790 @ 0.00087093 = 16.3648 BTC [+]

10:48:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00087093 = 16.6348 BTC [+]

10:54:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15601 @ 0.00086875 = 13.5534 BTC [-]

11:02:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00087101 = 8.1004 BTC [+] {2}

11:02:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09339 = 0.3736 BTC [+]

11:03:15 punkman1: "The 21-hour battle for B-R5RB resulted in more than 11 trillion ISK in damage, all thanks to a lapsed bill by one very important user in the EVE Online universe."

11:10:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00086833 = 2.7787 BTC [-] {2}

11:19:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21830 @ 0.00087376 = 19.0742 BTC [+] {3}

11:30:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00086766 = 16.0517 BTC [-] {2}

11:39:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00087089 = 13.9778 BTC [+] {2}

11:39:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 576 @ 0.00354027 = 2.0392 BTC [-] {6}

11:40:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.003534 = 0.5478 BTC [-]

11:41:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.071704 = 0.8604 BTC [+] {2}

11:43:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00369998 = 0.333 BTC [+] {2}

11:43:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 34 @ 0.0064877 = 0.2206 BTC [+] {2}

11:50:16 jurov: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin/status/443340888870096896/photo/1

11:50:17 ozbot: Twitter / Bitcoin: Are you a bitcoin investor? ...

11:54:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00369998 = 0.37 BTC [+]

11:55:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0064 = 0.576 BTC [+]

11:55:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00086747 = 7.8072 BTC [-]

12:00:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+]

12:00:37 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell antephialtic https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/443355527364739072 yet something tells me he's no different from all the other bitcoin noobs in imagining he knows better and etc bla bla yadda yadda

12:00:38 gribble: The operation succeeded.

12:03:08 mircea_popescu: 11 trn isk ~= 1k btc irc

12:03:57 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 11*10**12 / 30*10**9

12:03:58 gribble: 366666666666666688512

12:04:30 mircea_popescu: haha nanotube why does gribble mess up ?

12:04:41 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 11*(10**12) / 30*(10**9)

12:04:41 gribble: 366666666666666688512

12:04:54 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (11*(10**12)) / (30*(10**9))

12:04:55 gribble: 366.666666667

12:05:01 mircea_popescu: nm, it's not gribble it's me.

12:05:16 mircea_popescu: anyway, ~350 btc worth of isk ships and whatnot.

12:08:13 moiety: mew :)

12:14:26 moiety: or ʍǝɯ mircea_popescu!

12:25:22 mircea_popescu: lol

12:27:59 mircea_popescu: let the permanent record reflect that kuka is a piece of shit scam rather than a robot manufacturer, and that they made a bunch of fake news which resulted in http://bitbet.us/bet/760/kuka-table-tennis-robot-to-beat-human/ having to be cancelled.

12:28:09 mircea_popescu: never buy anything from these fuckwits, they don't deserve to survive.

12:31:13 nubbins`: OH FUCK THIS IS A PERMANENT RECORD

12:31:16 nubbins`: D;

12:31:52 mircea_popescu: :D

12:32:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0064 = 0.128 BTC [+]

12:33:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ten years later, multi-billion dollar business doesn't understand for the life of it why it can't sell anything anymore.

12:33:55 mircea_popescu: does more social media bs, buys more deadmedia advertising, nothing

12:33:57 mircea_popescu: eventually goes away.

12:34:16 mircea_popescu: at least cisco knew what hit it.

12:34:28 nubbins`: i prefer the term antisocial media for trees/teevees

12:35:03 mircea_popescu: asocial i guess

12:35:30 nubbins`: that works

12:35:59 cazalla: i don't know whether to feel stupid for being duped by kuka or whether i should've known better

12:37:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9527 @ 0.00087208 = 8.3083 BTC [+]

12:37:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065201 = 0.1304 BTC [-] {2}

12:37:06 mircea_popescu: i dunno dood. they seemed reasonably sane to begin with, german robotics maker with 1 bn in revenue worldwide

12:37:17 mircea_popescu: i closed the internal investigation without prejudice.

12:43:59 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/average-student-debt-difficult-to-pay-off-delays-life-milestones-1.2534974

12:44:00 ozbot: Average student debt difficult to pay off, delays life milestones - Canada - CBC News

12:44:07 nubbins`: "Verge originally intended to become a teacher, but changed her mind after one year at Memorial University. She spent the next two years at Nova Scotia Community College completing a photography program, hoping to become a photojournalist."

12:44:13 nubbins`: no fucking shit she can't pay off her student loans

12:44:49 nubbins`: "Verge dicked around for three years on borrowed money at an average cost of $24/day"

12:45:19 TomServo: Verge?!

12:46:06 nubbins`: "Verge's husband is currently pursuing a masters in history at Saint Mary's University in Halifax and hopes to continue into a PhD program. "

12:46:09 nubbins`: groan

12:46:13 nubbins`: yep, that'll bring in the bucks

12:46:48 mircea_popescu: $24 ? that's not that bad is it ?

12:47:23 mircea_popescu: i think i spend that much on stockings

12:50:42 nubbins`: sure, but you make money

12:50:48 nubbins`: "If she could go back to her senior year of high school, Verge would make different choices, namely being more certain of what she wanted to study before spending $8,000 on a year's worth of university tuition, books and living costs."

12:51:06 Neil: Yeah that kuka thing was a letdown. I was looking forward to having sthg interesting to watch when I got back home.

12:53:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00087208 = 7.7615 BTC [+]

12:55:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.06470776 = 2.653 BTC [-] {11}

12:56:13 Neil: Clearly kuka not even close to being able to cut the mustard

12:58:27 mircea_popescu: nubbins` "If she could go back to her senior year of high school, Verge would make different choices, like hooking up with guys that beat her into sense and spend $24 a day on stockings alone rather than the current looser she's hitched with"

12:58:29 mircea_popescu: fifh

12:58:36 moiety: so is the new production place in china a bunch of BS then?

12:58:42 moiety: re kuka**

12:58:53 mircea_popescu: moiety depends what the ad copywriter was eating that day

12:59:12 moiety: fuck

13:00:21 moiety: asshats everywhere

13:00:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00639999 = 0.448 BTC [-] {2}

13:00:35 moiety: http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/216576/heres-a-selfie-from-1920/ something cheery

13:02:23 moiety: " It took two people to hold the camera, probably because it was heavy as fuck."

13:08:54 asciilifeform: 'graduated in 2008 with about $25,000 of debt ? just about the national average. More than five years later, she has only managed to pay back about $2,000.' << where did this kid work - Butugychag?

13:10:37 Neil: mircea_popescu: I don't remember you taking a 1% fee on such cancellations before on Bitbet.

13:13:22 asciilifeform: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gen-y-struggles-in-expensive-housing-rental-market-1.2102109

13:13:26 ozbot: Gen Y struggles in expensive housing, rental market - Canada - CBC News

13:16:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61425728 = 4.2998 BTC [-] {5}

13:17:09 moiety: asciilifeform: here, you don't have to pay back your student loans until you earn over X amount

13:17:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.06519316 = 2.021 BTC [+] {6}

13:18:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2757 @ 0.00086817 = 2.3935 BTC [-]

13:19:21 asciilifeform: wonder how many of these folks would theoretically accept a russian passport and guaranteed metallurgical work in norilsk.

13:20:41 asciilifeform: they'd get $LOAN richer just by sending the creditors to pound sand up their arses.

13:21:03 asciilifeform: and the 'college' racket could finally implode.

13:24:31 moiety: it becomes a lifestyle for some doing degree after degree, never actually working

13:26:53 cazalla: moiety: are you from australia?

13:27:32 moiety: Scotland, Uk cazalla

13:27:50 cazalla: they do that here in australia, a lot of graduates take jobs that pay under the threshold as to avoid paying back the debt

13:28:20 moiety: yep same, all the time. that or they just sign up for another degree

13:29:01 moiety: i know one guy who did Politics, then Mental Health Nursing and now plans on a Philosophy degree

13:30:26 moiety: actually writes an anti-psychiatry anarchist blog

13:30:35 cazalla: i'm a high school drop out, my brother has a degree (medicinal chemistry)

13:31:18 cazalla: he makes sammages at subway heh

13:31:46 moiety: i would bite your hand off to go to uni ... but in my own time. worked since 14. it doesn't make you less of a person at all, they just like you to think so

13:32:31 moiety: lol @ the contradiction of medicinal and subway :)

13:33:13 mircea_popescu: Neil i don't think it akes any fee does it ?

13:33:35 cazalla: tx fee i think he means

13:33:39 moiety: http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/11/nigel-thew-brighton-worker-sacked-after-throwing-drunk-passenger-off-bus-in-saltdean-east-sussex-4518578

13:33:57 ozbot: Nigel Thew: Brighton worker sacked after throwing drunk passenger off bus in Saltdean, East Sussex |

13:34:20 mircea_popescu: " Police in Danville are investigating the theft of more than $15,000 worth of manhole covers that were stolen from various parts of the city"

13:34:28 mircea_popescu: almost enough to pay for college

13:34:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 31 @ 0.08550831 = 2.6508 BTC [-] {9}

13:35:03 CheckDavid: cazalla: if you get a shitty job you don't have to pay debt?

13:35:05 cazalla: shipped to china like all the copper that gets knocked off i guess?

13:35:29 moiety: i know a guy who was trying to flirt with a girl a few years ago by giving her some bitcoins.... she contacted him when they hit $1k to tell him, she paid for her college tuition with them :)

13:35:39 cazalla: CheckDavid: you are only required to begin paying the debt once you earn over x amount

13:35:47 asciilifeform: 'Having bits of the landscape disappear can be a rude surprise. One summer I arrived in St. Petersburg and found that a new scourge had descended on the land while I was gone: a lot of manhole covers were mysteriously missing. Nobody knew where they went or who profited from their removal. One guess was that the municipal workers, who hadn't been paid in months, took them home with them, to be returned once the

13:35:47 asciilifeform: y got paid. They did eventually reappear, so there may be some merit to this theory. With the gaping manholes positioned throughout the city like so many anteater traps for cars, you had the choice of driving either very slowly and carefully, or very fast, and betting your life on the proper functioning of the shock absorbers.'

13:36:00 asciilifeform: - orlov's 'post-soviet lessons for post-american century'

13:36:35 CheckDavid: cazalla: who issues the loan? Government?

13:37:00 cazalla: CheckDavid: yes

13:37:03 mircea_popescu: CheckDavid they're sort-of govt backed in most places.

13:37:10 asciilifeform: it's all fun'n'games until the boat girls mount DSHKs and hoist the black flag.

13:37:30 moiety: cazalla: i think you guys have certain degrees that never get fees at all, like nursing, right? bursary instead to get people to do it

13:37:30 CheckDavid: I see. Because I guess banks wouldn't care that much

13:37:56 moiety: we do here

13:37:59 asciilifeform: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_okE2fz_Pef8/TGJgBld9ziI/AAAAAAAACn0/KNS-17rr0Bk/s1600/img634170544374531250.JPG

13:38:11 asciilifeform: fits great. don't need a gigantic tub

13:38:36 cazalla: moiety: not sure if any are exempt but you can go back again and again to rack up more debt

13:38:42 mircea_popescu: Neil no 1% was charged (site does indicate that, but it's erroneous). the tx is 3a01762308fc1c9b36478d3bb4c3198eb69f3c29ab24af2e4520727c7fa9c79c3a01762308fc1c9b36478d3bb4c3198eb69f3c29ab24af2e4520727c7fa9c79c once it propagates you can check it.

13:40:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that looks like it could propel the boat, in a spot.

13:41:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11586 @ 0.00087081 = 10.0892 BTC [+]

13:41:48 asciilifeform: it never ceases to amaze me how the 'excess people' make so little trouble, 'going gently into the good night'

13:42:00 mircea_popescu: why ?

13:42:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14764 @ 0.00086781 = 12.8123 BTC [-] {2}

13:42:39 mircea_popescu: it's like "it never ceases to amaze me how the impotent never rape anyone". well of course not. if they could they wouldn't be impotent.

13:43:24 asciilifeform: they can't all be impotent

13:44:31 mircea_popescu: well no, but that's besides the point : they are all excess, as per your definition.

13:45:50 asciilifeform: if starving boat grls, where the hell are the jacqueries, i ask.

13:46:48 asciilifeform: where are the mass migrations

13:47:34 mircea_popescu: curretnly the mass migrations are from sane places to idiotic places,

13:48:04 mircea_popescu: which is actually the greatest boon on the developing world : all those mexicans, arabs etc leeching the welfare states aren't doing it so they may be us or eu citizens etc

13:48:29 mircea_popescu: they're doing it because a fool and his resources are soon partying, and once the party's over they'll just go back home and start their own renaissances.

13:48:44 asciilifeform: i meant - of the boatgirls.

13:49:16 mircea_popescu: what's a boat girl ?

13:49:37 asciilifeform: pictured here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gen-y-struggles-in-expensive-housing-rental-market-1.2102109

13:49:44 asciilifeform: (linked from earlier piece)

13:50:06 ThickAsThieves: “Zero transaction fees is the future,” Li said. According to him, the freemium business model is the new norm of the twenty-first century, and no industry, not even financial services, is safe from its disruption.

13:50:14 mircea_popescu: haha she's a boat alright.

13:50:15 asciilifeform: big empty space in the middle for DSHK.

13:50:23 mircea_popescu: i'll trade ya http://25.media.tumblr.com/21b2acb5bf1b8edc7b9633e6ee0acc72/tumblr_mqayfocu1s1rg2jxoo1_1280.jpg

13:50:35 asciilifeform: deal.

13:50:40 chetty_: http://rt.com/news/ukraine-mp-abducted-threatened-882/

13:51:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your chick's not putting a machine gun in the middle for the same reason she's not getting laid

13:51:02 mircea_popescu: too much hassle.

13:51:15 asciilifeform: betcha she gets laid plenty.

13:51:27 chetty_: I'll hang you by the balls and have you f***ed' ? Ukrainian presidential hopeful abducts pro-Russian MP

13:51:59 mircea_popescu: lol nice

13:52:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform deal.

13:52:03 mircea_popescu: how we check ?

13:52:05 asciilifeform: chetty_: possibly of interest - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-crimean-crisis-and-western-bias.html

13:52:57 chetty_: I gave up reading about it, its all disinfo anyway, I just liked that headline

13:55:27 ThickAsThieves: so these bigfoot guys wanna promote bitcoin on the streets or whatever, and this is the brochure they come up with... http://bitcoinbigfoot.com/showcasing-plan-b-brochure-mock/

13:55:43 ThickAsThieves: 2/3 is just logos

13:55:58 ThickAsThieves: then 10 or so bullet points, and more logos

13:56:11 ThickAsThieves: fucking idiots

13:56:16 mircea_popescu: comments are better

13:56:17 mircea_popescu: "Love what your doing but I see you do not send to the UK. My company are about to leash a few ATMs on the UK and would love to get a hold of perhaps your ai or pdf so I could print some off to give to everyone who is attending our launch in Feb."

13:56:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, there's tons of these outfits consisting of basically one guy and his adobe illustrator pretending to be in some form mass movements.

13:57:16 ThickAsThieves: BitPremier is one of the logos

13:57:17 mircea_popescu: i'd love nothing more than contact with a large club of street people, but these muppets ain't it.

13:57:17 ThickAsThieves: wtf

13:57:30 mircea_popescu: gimme detroit's grafitti artist club.

13:57:45 mircea_popescu: gimme the seattle bladers association

13:57:48 mircea_popescu: gimme something i can use

13:57:50 chetty_: well tons of single guys does sorta make a mass ....something

13:57:59 mircea_popescu: a two tone brochure i can have made in a half hour

13:58:11 asciilifeform: mass in the physical sense, perhaps

13:58:23 mircea_popescu: chetty_ tons of single guys with delusions of leadership, self-importance and whatever else makes maybe a ton of twitter accounts

13:58:26 mircea_popescu: but not hing useful.

13:58:51 chetty_: well mass ----something could wll be mass pile o shit

13:58:52 asciilifeform: 1) mass 2) ??? 3) lenin 4) profit!1!!1

13:59:57 asciilifeform: (for the nitpickers, notice that i said 'profit!1!!1', not 'profit.')

14:00:34 cazalla: don't you mean profit!1!1!oneeleven!11

14:01:12 mircea_popescu: hi guise im eleven and what is this11

14:02:05 asciilifeform: at some point the lost souls will add up to a destructive mess, the question is when.

14:02:21 chetty_: yesterday

14:02:54 asciilifeform: nah

14:03:01 asciilifeform: festering != destructive

14:03:53 asciilifeform: these folks aren't disintegrating lepers, they're able-bodied creatures who could in principle create actual problems if they felt like it.

14:03:56 mircea_popescu: how do you know they will ?

14:04:04 mircea_popescu: no, they're disintegrating lepers.

14:04:32 asciilifeform: how do you know they will << hey don't look at me, i'm not their lenin. naturally i don't know. but historical parallels.

14:04:52 mircea_popescu: no such thing.

14:04:57 mircea_popescu: these people can't even say nigger.

14:05:09 asciilifeform: perhaps they could learn.

14:05:20 mircea_popescu: perhaps it'd cost more to learn than they're worth.

14:05:27 mircea_popescu: disintegrating lepers could also heal.

14:05:58 asciilifeform: surely that girl could learn to pull a trigger, for example.

14:06:11 asciilifeform: or at least service the fellow who does

14:06:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00086747 = 9.7157 BTC [-]

14:07:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu would appear to be right, none of the traditional 'bubbling of rebellion' is happening, as far as i can see

14:08:03 asciilifeform: but i'm curious why.

14:09:32 mircea_popescu: no, she could not. how could she ?

14:09:56 chetty_: hahahaha:The municipal bond rating for Peoria has been downgraded

14:11:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086747 = 6.9398 BTC [-]

14:12:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 582 @ 0.0001845 = 0.1074 BTC [-]

14:14:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]

14:16:38 nubbins`: asciilifeform: she defaulted on her federal loans and has her wages garnishes, that's why she's only paid back $2k in 5 years

14:16:50 nubbins`: $33/mo

14:16:57 artifexd: http://sha256coins.com/sample-page/atc-altcoin/

14:16:58 ozbot: ATC – Altcoin | SHA-256 Coins

14:17:02 nubbins`: think about that -- paying off a $25,000 loan at $33/mo

14:17:18 nubbins`: hope the photography "course" was worth it ;p

14:18:55 nubbins`: TBH i don't think they should give loans for degrees/diplomas in navel gazing

14:19:04 nubbins`: you want a student loan to learn a skilled trade? sure, here ya go

14:19:13 nubbins`: you want one to get your PhD in history? get fucked

14:24:02 ninjashogun: nubbins`, how do you feel about a personal loan to develop a proprietary hardware tech past proof of concept stage?

14:24:25 nubbins`: less than enthusiastic

14:24:34 ninjashogun: (which is what I've been looking for 3-4 weeks since receiving angel demo invites)

14:24:39 ninjashogun: how come?

14:24:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00086731 = 7.1119 BTC [-] {2}

14:24:55 nubbins`: because i have no reason to believe that you're capable of anything besides hanging around here and bumming for money

14:25:09 ninjashogun: it's the same thing - something marketable that needs something up-front. You can't just ask people to speculate, you should extend the possibility of a loan to cover information asymmetry and personal responsibiilty. I wouldn't be gamblign with otehr people's money

14:25:18 *: nubbins` yawns

14:25:21 nubbins`: at least you keep trying

14:25:47 ThickAsThieves: loans are generally something to be unenthusiastic about

14:25:49 ninjashogun: nubbins` - fair enough. I've personally developed the proof of concept using vision software as well as embedded electronics with an arduino

14:25:51 nubbins`: ;;gettrust ninjashogun

14:25:52 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user ninjashogun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=ninjashogun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ninjashogun | Rated since: never

14:25:59 ThickAsThieves: loans for convenience are okay i guess

14:26:10 nubbins`: ninjashogun: you need to realize that what you're saying means nothing to anyone here

14:26:11 ThickAsThieves: but loans on hopes and dreams, not so much

14:26:33 nubbins`: bitcoin is littered with the corpses of people who had better ideas and more resources than you

14:26:41 ninjashogun: nubbins`, that's not true. I guarantee 100% that there are people int his channel who know what vision algorithms are, and what electronics engineering and embedded programmigng are. 100% guaranteed.

14:26:49 nubbins`: no, you misunderstand

14:26:58 ninjashogun: (those are just two examples of the tech I've used.)

14:26:58 nubbins`: it's the fact that YOU are saying it

14:27:08 nubbins`: you're a nobody

14:27:23 nubbins`: and generally, adults don't give free money to nobodies with "ideas"

14:27:28 ninjashogun: nubbins`, but nubbins doesn't mean anything to me either.

14:27:39 nubbins`: okay, so?

14:27:46 nubbins`: i'm not asking you for a wheelbarrow of cash

14:27:48 ThickAsThieves: he didnt ask for monet

14:28:05 ninjashogun: It's not an "idea', first of all, I'm working on a company that was founded mroe than a year ago and has assigned IP as well as fullz developed prototypes that prove concept, using vision, some robotics elements, arduino, etc.

14:28:13 nubbins`: blah blah blah

14:28:15 nubbins`: same thing every time

14:28:23 nubbins`: people tell you precisely why they will never, ever give you money

14:28:32 nubbins`: and you try to argue that it's in their best interest to do so

14:28:46 ninjashogun: No, I do not argue it's in anyone's best interest, absolutely not.

14:28:48 nubbins`: it's like a child convincing dad that a can of frosting is a good idea for lunch

14:29:04 nubbins`: why are you wasting your time asking over and over?

14:29:05 ThickAsThieves: ninja how old are you

14:29:14 ninjashogun: I am looking for something similar to what I found before, which is someone who is interested in exploring the idea with me and would do so without necessarily having any big personal interest in it, other than obviously not losing money on it.

14:29:27 nubbins`: you won't find what you're looking for here

14:29:30 nubbins`: i guarantee it

14:29:30 ThickAsThieves: why did the last people leave?

14:30:23 ninjashogun: So, it was not people, it was one person, and he didn't leave but continues to express 'definite' interest (we've prepared loan paperwork, etc). I!ve pressed several times for a firm closure and he's repeated definite interest (instead of taking the chance to say, look, it's not that interesting to him)

14:30:53 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 340 @ 0.0029461 = 1.0017 BTC [-] {2}

14:31:16 ninjashogun: The main reason I ask here is because it is people who are technical (almost by definition), have early vision and interest (almost by definition) and in many cases have enough funds that they can consider helping me on such a basis. Some people ahve been interested but the amount is too larger for them, I understand but that is nto the kind of person I'm lookiing for.

14:31:23 *: nubbins` yawns again

14:31:44 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:31:47 ThickAsThieves: just stop

14:31:52 nubbins`: ^

14:31:56 nubbins`: this, a thousand times this

14:32:01 mircea_popescu: Georgia Becomes First State in History to Pass the Convention of States Application

14:32:12 nubbins`: which georgia?

14:32:17 mircea_popescu: http://www.conventionofstates.com/news/georgia-becomes-first-state-history-pass-convention-states-application

14:32:17 ozbot: Georgia Becomes First State in History to Pass the Convention of States Application | Convention of

14:33:32 bitcoinpete: Markus Ortman, "COO of Bitcoin", explains all to Conan:

14:33:33 bitcoinpete: http://teamcoco.com/video/bitcoin-explaination

14:33:34 ozbot: Bitcoin's COO Explains What Bitcoin Is @ TeamCoco.com

14:33:44 nubbins`: ah, interesting

14:33:55 Diablo-D3: who the fuck is markus ortman

14:33:58 ThickAsThieves: what is this convention?

14:34:05 Diablo-D3: never heard of him

14:34:28 ThickAsThieves: it's a joke

14:34:30 bitcoinpete: Diablo-D3: he's made-up

14:34:45 Diablo-D3: I dont find jokes funny.

14:34:53 bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: the dissolution begins

14:34:55 Diablo-D3: Lets light this guy on fire for being a heretic.

14:34:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9032 @ 0.00086713 = 7.8319 BTC [-] {2}

14:35:40 bitcoinpete: and howdy

14:36:20 ThickAsThieves: yeah the coco thing isnt funny

14:37:49 mircea_popescu: <Diablo-D3> I dont find jokes funny. << lol

14:38:35 ThickAsThieves: http://www.salon.com/2014/03/09/the_ballad_of_bitcoin_jesus_the_tech_millionaire_evangelist_who_fears_for_his_life/

14:38:36 ozbot: The ballad of “Bitcoin Jesus”: The tech millionaire who fears for his life - Salon.com

14:38:38 ThickAsThieves: see that's funny

14:38:55 ThickAsThieves: "I have sworn not to write the name of the island where Roger Ver is currently residing, the reason being that he fears for his life."

14:39:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00086745 = 15.2671 BTC [+] {2}

14:39:33 ThickAsThieves: "Satoshi Nakamoto — who, it turns out, is an elderly Japanese man by the same name, "

14:39:35 ThickAsThieves: ...

14:40:11 ThickAsThieves: “The U.S. is making it extremely difficult for me to stop being American.”

14:40:15 ThickAsThieves: lol

14:40:31 bitcoinpete: that's actually way funnier

14:40:49 ThickAsThieves: "The discontentment is also there when he talks about the first time he was arrested, at 18"

14:40:58 bitcoinpete: conan was only indicative of where the middle is, or isn't

14:41:04 ninjashogun: "Bitcoin was not created by Satashi Nakamoto, but by another man of the same name."

14:41:53 mircea_popescu: which jesus is this one, #6 ?

14:42:18 ThickAsThieves: Jesus Ver

14:42:48 nubbins`: http://www.singleblackmale.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/black-jesus-sacred.jpeg

14:42:49 nubbins`: jesus 0

14:43:36 mircea_popescu: whoa

14:43:39 mircea_popescu: black males can be single ?

14:43:45 mircea_popescu: i thought that was genetically impossible

14:44:35 nubbins`: jesus was single?

14:44:40 *: nubbins` raises eyebrow

14:45:39 jurov: ssh spiral

14:48:18 nubbins`: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/10/Gay-Black-Republican-Selling-Guns-Online-for-Bitcoin

14:48:18 ozbot: Meet the Gay Black Republican Selling Guns Online for Bitcoin

14:48:23 nubbins`: i know all those words, but...

14:48:37 *: nubbins` scratches head

14:48:44 nubbins`: ...i didn't think you could put them together like that

14:49:59 bitcoinpete: "Bitcoin enthusiasts don’t generally spend any time thinking about privilege. But greater computer literacy among the poor and easier-to-use interfaces, along with addressing tech’s gender problems should be a goal we all strive toward."

14:50:06 bitcoinpete: http://cathyreisenwitz.com/blog/2014/03/11/bitcoins-actual-privilege-problems/

14:50:43 bitcoinpete: "t’s not essential, or possible, that the privilege crowd fully understand bitcoin or that the bitcoin crowd fully understand privilege. What would be very helpful, however, is for both parties to admit the vast sums which comprise what they do not know."

14:51:53 mircea_popescu: wait what.

14:52:29 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is like distilled privilege what the fuck is she on about.

14:52:44 nubbins`: one of the nice things about privilege is that you don't need to be aware of it

14:52:58 mircea_popescu: but im keenly aware of it.

14:53:14 mircea_popescu: that's the point of fucking bitcoin : to put privilege above the reach of the unprivileged.

14:53:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00620739 = 0.1428 BTC [-] {5}

14:53:36 nubbins`: ehhh, it's not privilege unless you were born into it

14:53:53 bitcoinpete: and there's more. it's fuckin privilege day

14:53:59 nubbins`: you saw something that was a good idea and you bought in. that's not privilege, it's sense

14:54:01 bitcoinpete: "You would have to be living under a rock feasting solely on anti-Bitcoin propaganda to think that Bitcoin is only about making money and oppressing the lesser privileged."

14:54:03 mircea_popescu: lol look at that, she has no comments section.

14:54:09 bitcoinpete: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11003/bitcoin-post-privilege-pro-human-rights/

14:54:11 mircea_popescu: i was gonna let her know we were just talking about her.

14:54:29 mircea_popescu: here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2014#554683

14:55:12 bitcoinpete: You can let MK Lords know: https://twitter.com/BitcoinNotBombs

14:56:10 bitcoinpete: "If we really want perspective on privilege, the global implications of an easy to use payment system must be taken into account for its efficiency in providing aid directly to people all over the world—especially disadvantaged women, many of which must raise families on low resources while their partner finds work in more economically healthy areas."

14:57:04 mircea_popescu: they're beyond clueless.

14:57:15 mircea_popescu: but ah well. most idiots manage to become useful in some manner.

14:58:12 bitcoinpete: "Bitcoin cannot possibly be limited to only the privileged as anyone (even people in Kenya) can gain access to it through standard cell phones, a tool which the developing world has increasing access to."

14:58:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [+]

14:58:21 bitcoinpete: and they keep going...

14:58:25 mircea_popescu: yeah, totally.

14:58:40 mircea_popescu: the ease of access is totally not a tool of privilege.

14:58:47 mircea_popescu: like say, the tv. anyone even in kenya can get a tv.

14:58:53 mircea_popescu: thus therefore, the tv is highly democratic :D

14:59:05 bitcoinpete: tv=voting

15:00:43 mike_c: http://www.ariannasimpson.com/this-is-what-its-like-to-be-a-woman-at-a-bitcoin-meetup/

15:00:45 ozbot: This is what it's like to be a woman at a Bitcoin meetup - Arianna Simpson

15:00:51 mike_c: being a guy is so much easier.

15:04:47 mircea_popescu: i left her a comment

15:04:51 mircea_popescu: shitty blog interface tho

15:06:35 mike_c: yeah, wordpress. what can you do ;)

15:08:46 mircea_popescu: lol

15:08:51 mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, my wp doesn't suck

15:09:20 mike_c: you gotta upgrade to get the suck

15:10:20 ThickAsThieves: http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/03/call-for-acid-bath-stem-cell-paper-to-be-retracted.html

15:10:22 ozbot: Call for acid-bath stem-cell paper to be retracted : Nature News Blog

15:10:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629999 BTC [+]

15:10:40 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah srsly.

15:12:00 mircea_popescu: sooo... the rift people added a new profession, which is cool.

15:12:11 mircea_popescu: however to rank it up you need noob materials, which stressed the ufck out of the market.

15:12:28 mircea_popescu: noobs being noobs are too stupid to beeline for the generators and feed th hunger of the uberrich privileged maxlvl players

15:12:35 chetty_: http://www.finra.org/Investors/ProtectYourself/InvestorAlerts/FraudsAndScams/P456458?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fb

15:12:36 ozbot: Investor Alert - Bitcoin: More than a Bit Risky - FINRA

15:12:38 mircea_popescu: and so here i am, lvl 60, one hitting lvl 6 mobs with my DOT

15:15:07 Neil: mircea_popescu: Great. I'd have thought (apart from signatures) the site it automated, including transaction generation. I guess someone corrected it?

15:16:22 rbones: .

15:16:38 mircea_popescu: Neil it's not automated.

15:16:51 mircea_popescu: it's highly human supervised.

15:17:55 ThickAsThieves: from finra "If no one accepts bitcoins, bitcoins will become worthless."

15:17:58 ThickAsThieves: genius

15:18:03 Neil: lol

15:18:23 ThickAsThieves: "digital wallets can be hacked"

15:18:25 ThickAsThieves: ...

15:18:42 ThickAsThieves: that's really the extent of that comment too

15:18:56 Neil: I'll always accept bitcoin, if only to bet on bitbet

15:19:18 ThickAsThieves: "Purchases can be refunded, but that depends solely on the willingness of the establishment to do so."

15:19:24 ThickAsThieves: and the law?

15:19:56 ThickAsThieves: they act like everything is so absolute

15:20:38 Neil: Bitbet seems better arb-ed than 9 months ago.

15:20:56 mike_c: for example?

15:21:20 Neil: Well there was easy money before in the difficulty bets; no longer the case.

15:21:30 mike_c: TaT stopped donating

15:21:33 mircea_popescu: Neil tbh it always was pretty well arbed, in the sense that i occasionally try taking one side and i have yet to come to a situation where i wasn't covered properly by the other side

15:21:38 mircea_popescu: even on obscure bets a la halep

15:21:47 mircea_popescu: it's just people are control freaks and want to MAKE SURE

15:22:32 Neil: Shitty turnouts like SDICE and Gox 1Mar wiped out my profits...

15:22:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04265 = 0.1706 BTC [+] {2}

15:23:20 mircea_popescu: so that prevents them from betting (like say http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#c2574 )

15:23:42 mircea_popescu: in a sense bitbet acts like the exact oposite of the doctrine of gpg contracts

15:23:52 Neil: The sky-high BTC price bets are always interesting psychologically

15:23:58 mircea_popescu: in that it's quite safe to go "i bet x btc on this and expect the other side to work out the odds"

15:24:04 mircea_popescu: yeah.

15:24:13 mircea_popescu: but i meant specifically the guy's concern re calculating final odds

15:25:32 Neil: Yes, to some extent the other side will come in to make up the odds (witness the recent CME bets) but there's still some friction. The large CME bets were ballsy and I guess should be worse than evens but an equal amount to the opening bet hasn't come in yet.

15:25:58 Neil: Perhaps my judgment of the odds is off.

15:26:05 mike_c: but.. why place a wager and then let someone else set the odds.

15:26:27 Neil: mike_c: coz you think you know better I suspect.

15:27:05 Neil: Actually the iron ore has more on the other side now. Hadn't noticed but that makes sense.

15:27:53 Neil: mike_c: Also the odds on both sides are somewhat random; it's not as if you can fix them given subsequent bettors

15:28:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00364 = 0.3276 BTC [-] {2}

15:29:02 mircea_popescu: Neil it's months out tho

15:29:15 mircea_popescu: it only matters whst the pool is at end

15:29:18 Neil: If BTC > $10k resolves as yes it'll be the biggest fiat bet yet

15:29:27 Neil: yup

15:31:24 mircea_popescu: nah, there was a 2k pool one when btc was 1.2k

15:31:30 mircea_popescu: so that was like 2.5mn almost

15:31:37 ThickAsThieves: http://promotions.newegg.com/HDD/14-0860/696x288.jpg

15:32:15 Neil: I wonder how long until a bitbet user suffers a MITM attack on the send-to address display

15:32:36 mike_c: ^ i have wondered about that.

15:32:43 ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinpride.com/t-shirts/featured/bitcoin-miner.html

15:32:45 ozbot: Bitcoin T-Shirt | Bitcoin Shirts & Tees - Bitcoin Pride Bitcoin Miner - Featured - T-Shirts

15:32:47 Neil: I'd feel much better if that bit were https

15:32:53 ThickAsThieves: someone stole graphics

15:33:18 mircea_popescu: Neil it's discussed periodically. you can always test before you send

15:33:24 mircea_popescu: as in, send a few bitcents first before your bet

15:33:56 Neil: You have a point for the bigger bets. But hardly ideal. Why expose your users?

15:34:04 artifexd: TAT: My wife bought that shirt for me. So many custom tshirt sites print on shitty quality shirts. This one was a good quality tshirt.

15:34:33 mircea_popescu: Neil what, i'm not telling them to be mitm'd.

15:34:33 mike_c: https doesn't cure all

15:34:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.0427 = 0.7686 BTC [+]

15:34:57 Neil: https makes it *much* harder unless I'm missing something.

15:35:16 mike_c: you are. i believe mitm is the most popular way to attack https.

15:35:18 diametric: yeah the effort required would make it not really worth it.

15:35:46 mircea_popescu: diametric arguable, because false reliance would sweeten the pot.

15:35:53 diametric: satoshi dice would be much easier to MITM

15:35:55 mircea_popescu: on a naked system like bitbet people know what the risks are

15:35:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00086667 = 5.1567 BTC [-] {2}

15:36:02 mircea_popescu: on a pseudosecure system like https people misrepresent them

15:36:18 diametric: mircea_popescu: thats true

15:36:45 Neil: mircea_popescu: So you have no intention of improving the address thing, even if it starts to be taken advantage of?

15:36:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00373 = 0.1492 BTC [+]

15:37:29 mircea_popescu: Neil once it gets taken advantage of it'll be changed

15:37:38 mircea_popescu: maybe add signed addresses

15:37:38 Neil: Hmm.

15:37:40 diametric: Satoshi dice would be very easy to attack since it's blocked in the US, which causes most US visitors to use TOR, which is easy to MITM especially since Satoshi Dice doesn't use https.

15:37:44 mircea_popescu: not that anyone'll bother checking anyway

15:37:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13184 @ 0.00086842 = 11.4492 BTC [+]

15:37:59 diametric: Then you simply need to create the 1DICE vantiy addresses and MITM replace them on load

15:38:07 Neil: I would if sending > 5 BTC

15:38:12 diametric: Hell, you could even implement the proper gambling and make people think they're just losing all the time.

15:38:28 mircea_popescu: Neil what's wrong with just sending a few bitcents ?

15:38:33 mircea_popescu: you can literally verify it this way.

15:38:46 mircea_popescu: if you were mitm'd either it doesn't show

15:38:55 mircea_popescu: or if the gy is really evil and it does show, it won't show as per your txid

15:38:57 Neil: Well, the main site could suffer the MITM too. Harder again, yes.

15:39:13 mircea_popescu: so check off a diff connection what.

15:39:32 Neil: I could fly to Romania too!

15:39:37 mircea_popescu: send 0.05, go to library, load page, come back send your 5btc or w/e

15:39:53 mircea_popescu: what, just becayse better internet here?

15:40:59 mike_c: it's closer to the server, harder to get mitm'd

15:41:23 mircea_popescu: not really that much closer i dont think

15:41:33 Neil: mircea_popescu: Visit kako, place the bet in person over a beer of course

15:41:43 mircea_popescu: anyway : all it takes for stupid "solutions" to take over the world is for people who know better to use them anwyay.

15:41:53 mircea_popescu: i will never, under any circumstances and for any reason use https as if it were secure.

15:42:06 mircea_popescu: i don't care that it's "somewhat better".

15:42:15 mircea_popescu: either it solves the problem and then i buy it, or else it does not and then i do not buy it.

15:42:19 mircea_popescu: i don't buy "sorta" solutions.

15:42:41 mircea_popescu: god forbid i ever get cancer, the doctors will have a fucking handful with me

15:42:51 mircea_popescu: "so does this cure it ? " "well... maybe..." "fu."

15:42:54 jurov: forget https. most sites use *email* as if it was secure

15:43:01 Neil: mircea_popescu: What happens to MPEX if you're run over by a bus?

15:43:48 jurov: Neil i'll hire mercenaries and go to timisoara to take it over

15:43:54 mircea_popescu: lol

15:43:55 jurov: :DDDD

15:44:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00600016 = 1.8 BTC [-] {6}

15:44:28 mircea_popescu: i dunno, i suppose goldman sachs' ll run it.

15:45:20 Neil: I worked there once.

15:45:38 mike_c: mitm ssl:

15:45:40 mike_c: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/sslsniff/

15:45:41 ozbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Software >> sslsniff

15:47:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2272 @ 0.00086549 = 1.9664 BTC [-]

15:47:11 diametric: mike_c: you'll note that to deploy that successfully, and not make the browser shit red warnings everywhere, you'll need a forged cert.

15:47:47 jurov: diametric or unpatched apple/linux machine

15:47:59 mircea_popescu: forged certs are a matter of course

15:48:02 mircea_popescu: jut impersonate cloudflare

15:49:08 bitcoinpete: Speaking of cloudflare

15:49:09 bitcoinpete: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/443409899687399424

15:49:10 ozbot: Twitter / bitcoinpete: Check out @blockchain being ...

15:50:03 mike_c: cloudflare is breaking the internet one stupid site at a time.

15:50:37 mircea_popescu: yeah

15:50:59 Apocalyptic: .d

15:50:59 ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 247 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3029% in 1d 12h 40m 57s

15:51:13 mircea_popescu: it's like... between cloudflare, what's that fucktardec omments thing

15:51:20 mircea_popescu: disqus

15:51:41 mircea_popescu: web is slowly dieing the death of a thousand idiots.

15:52:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00086532 = 24.6616 BTC [-] {3}

15:53:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00364 = 0.233 BTC [-] {3}

15:58:27 mircea_popescu: lmao check out this guy

15:58:27 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5637500#msg5637500

15:58:30 ozbot: [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus

15:59:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44287593 BTC to 3`707 shares, 65899 satoshi per share

16:02:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07419943 = 1.113 BTC [+] {4}

16:02:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.99778525 BTC to 13`595 shares, 14695 satoshi per share

16:03:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17666 @ 0.00086842 = 15.3415 BTC [+]

16:03:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00600001 = 0.204 BTC [-]

16:04:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00600001 = 0.276 BTC [-]

16:05:11 thestringpuller: disqus is still a thing?

16:05:20 thestringpuller: i thought by now it went the way of geocities

16:05:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.041789 = 0.3761 BTC [-] {3}

16:05:57 mircea_popescu: no because chicks with college debt and no prospects keep adding it to their blogs

16:06:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0415 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3}

16:06:54 dexX7: good thing that i use ghostery + adblock

16:07:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04125 = 0.1238 BTC [-] {2}

16:08:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-] {2}

16:09:24 mike_c: i wish there were a one stop shop where i could find a veterinarian, a therapist, and a hedge fund manager.

16:10:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00373314 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {5}

16:10:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}

16:11:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0037651 = 0.1694 BTC [+] {5}

16:11:56 mircea_popescu: hahaha

16:12:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00388252 = 0.1009 BTC [+] {4}

16:13:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00389978 = 0.2223 BTC [+] {2}

16:14:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04057142 = 0.284 BTC [-] {4}

16:15:47 mircea_popescu: "Line to GET IN the security line is wrapped around the check-in area of the Austin airport. "

16:16:00 mircea_popescu: maybe they should hire sony

16:16:08 deadweasel: DrGregMullface was so funny that I'm now getting 502 for the forums.

16:16:23 dexX7: haha

16:16:49 dexX7: the forum is gettinmg 502 for more than a month now from time to time :S

16:17:15 dexX7: www.onename.io considers to add bitcointalk and wot

16:17:20 dexX7: kinda tells where those people came from

16:17:22 dexX7: or not came from

16:17:39 wao-ender: oh, namecoin project?

16:17:44 wao-ender: i'm totally supporting them

16:17:49 dexX7: it looks shiny

16:18:12 deadweasel: wow, takes 9 developers to display a QR code

16:18:25 Apocalyptic: hum nobody squatted 'mircea_popescu' yet

16:18:26 wao-ender: :D

16:19:26 dexX7: somewhere in the reddit comments they said there will be some kind of authentification. like: you claim you are mp and insert his twitter handle, but to proof it, you'd need to post a verification tweet

16:20:13 mircea_popescu: meh there's in principle 5k "services" like that and no barrier to entry

16:20:24 mircea_popescu: tomorrow it'll be 1name.cx or w/e

16:21:26 Apocalyptic: <dexX7> somewhere in the reddit comments they said there will be some kind of authentification // well if someone regged the u/* entry i wonder how can they claim it back

16:21:38 Apocalyptic: it's not like they can enforce anything at this point

16:22:26 wao-ender: v0v, i'm there! so social

16:22:42 dexX7: i have no idea how it works under the hood

16:22:58 wao-ender: it's namespace u/ in namecoin?

16:23:03 Apocalyptic: yes

16:23:40 Apocalyptic: https://www.onename.io/mircea_popescu

16:23:46 Apocalyptic: lol, someone just regged it

16:24:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8592 @ 0.00086842 = 7.4615 BTC [+]

16:24:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.006 = 0.354 BTC [-] {2}

16:24:47 wao-ender: lol

16:25:53 dexX7: yesterday someone said this is trash. any insight why?

16:27:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.00587222 = 0.276 BTC [-] {4}

16:28:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 94 @ 0.00576181 = 0.5416 BTC [-] {5}

16:28:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.040115 = 0.8023 BTC [-] {2}

16:30:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63055 = 1.2611 BTC [+] {2}

16:32:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 144 @ 0.00389978 = 0.5616 BTC [+] {6}

16:34:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06700013 = 0.469 BTC [-] {2}

16:35:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700013 = 0.335 BTC [-]

16:35:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00599998 = 0.15 BTC [+] {3}

16:36:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0405 = 0.81 BTC [+]

16:38:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700006 = 0.335 BTC [-] {3}

16:40:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0405 = 0.324 BTC [+]

16:41:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06700007 = 0.201 BTC [+]

16:42:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0405625 = 0.1623 BTC [+] {2}

16:48:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00086527 = 13.5847 BTC [-] {2}

16:59:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-]

17:02:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}

17:04:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.0008682 = 18.1888 BTC [+] {2}

17:07:31 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about linking bitbet bet income/outbound to blockr ?

17:09:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [+]

17:10:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00086927 = 17.2985 BTC [+] {3}

17:19:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087025 = 15.0988 BTC [+]

17:25:59 benkay: this morning at the café, some nice lady is standing next to the air pot, idling, hoping for attention

17:26:02 benkay: i go for coffe, she informs me that this air pot is empty

17:26:10 benkay: so what is to be done but put the empty one on the counter and pop the cherry on the new one

17:26:14 benkay: why can nobody do anything for themselves?

17:26:42 mike_c: what the hell is an air pot?

17:27:04 mike_c: ah. i did for myself and googled

17:27:47 mike_c: hey benkay, did you ever end up making that rent short happen?

17:28:05 benkay: nope

17:28:08 benkay: !t h rent

17:28:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00570000 / 0.00595958 / 0.00654999 (457 shares, 2.72352803 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00558308 / 0.00900001 (28720 shares, 160.34603001 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00554085 / 0.00900001 (58409 shares, 323.63553001 BTC)

17:28:14 benkay: cuz i r lazy

17:28:18 benkay: and fukken

17:28:20 benkay: busy

17:28:24 mike_c: it popped up, but is sliding back.

17:28:43 benkay: still noodling on a 6 month put basically

17:29:34 mike_c: meh, just buy more btc. it would be slightly better.

17:29:37 benkay: yeah.

17:29:48 benkay: i've already decided on that strategy. i think rent plays are a red herring.

17:29:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1001 @ 0.00017531 = 0.1755 BTC [-] {13}

17:29:56 benkay: plus, what do i look like, a trader?!

17:30:38 mike_c: wheeler & dealer

17:30:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3999 @ 0.0001705 = 0.6818 BTC [-] {5}

17:31:58 benkay: so when do the big markets start to price in the taper?

17:32:19 benkay: when does the taper even kick in?

17:35:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00389978 = 0.195 BTC [+]

17:35:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0744241 = 2.1583 BTC [+] {7}

17:35:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13014 @ 0.00086487 = 11.2554 BTC [-] {2}

17:36:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7178 @ 0.00086389 = 6.201 BTC [-]

17:36:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 449 @ 0.006 = 2.694 BTC [-]

17:37:09 mircea_popescu: there's no taper.

17:37:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00391923 = 1.3325 BTC [+] {8}

17:42:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-]

17:43:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00396315 = 1.5853 BTC [+] {11}

17:48:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5684 @ 0.00086371 = 4.9093 BTC [-] {2}

18:16:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086634 = 10.8293 BTC [+]

18:25:44 dexX7: hey guise what do you think about a blockchain postcard service? users submit a message which is then posted via op_return. i bet some devs would love the idea! :D

18:29:39 benkay: ipo it to the moon

18:32:00 mircea_popescu: i thought this existed.

18:39:32 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-peeconomy/

18:39:33 ozbot: The peeconomy pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:39:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11725 @ 0.00086955 = 10.1955 BTC [+] {2}

18:41:17 dexX7: brb creating cryptostocks ipo account

18:46:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04075 = 0.2038 BTC [-]

18:49:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0409 = 0.2045 BTC [+]

18:58:18 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/CandaceBushnell.png omfg look at this troll

18:59:37 dexX7: "the ugly who became a writer instead of cum sucking slut"?

19:00:38 mircea_popescu: well... "writer"

19:01:09 mircea_popescu: she's a sorta leah, and as we all know it sucks to be leah

19:01:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.613802 = 6.138 BTC [-] {6}

19:01:51 dexX7: well, i can't say that anything i ever wrote lead to a tv serie

19:02:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 98 @ 0.59465477 = 58.2762 BTC [-] {30}

19:02:33 the20year2: Are there any bitcoin businesses that are using GAAP-approved accounting?

19:02:37 mircea_popescu: if i ever watched tv perhaps that'd sound like a lot more.

19:02:54 dexX7: don't, it's usually not worth

19:02:56 mircea_popescu: the20year2 the bitcoin standard is the an0.

19:03:11 mircea_popescu: even simplyfied as it is, very few actually use it.

19:03:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.57480927 = 52.8825 BTC [-] {24}

19:03:28 the20year2: When did the bitcoin foundation approve an0?

19:03:47 dexX7: since when does create the foundation standards?

19:03:49 *: TomServo ducks and covers

19:03:55 dexX7: ^ :D

19:03:55 mircea_popescu: the who ?

19:04:04 the20year2: Isn't the client maintained by the foundation?

19:04:08 mircea_popescu: nope.

19:04:25 the20year2: So, what's special about your accounting format?

19:04:34 mircea_popescu: that it's the bitcoin standard.

19:04:41 mircea_popescu: what's so special about the gaap ?

19:05:09 the20year2: It's accepted by a country with a 17t economy plus other economies resulting over 25t of gdp

19:05:19 mircea_popescu: right

19:05:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.57 = 13.68 BTC [-] {3}

19:05:28 mircea_popescu: an0 is accepted by the exchange doing 90%+ of all bitcoin financials.

19:05:46 the20year2: Is it in use outside of mpex?

19:06:02 mircea_popescu: nobody cares what the scammers do.

19:06:15 the20year2: So all companies outside of mpoe is a scammer?

19:06:20 mircea_popescu: are. yes.

19:06:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]

19:06:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059217 = 0.5922 BTC [-] {6}

19:06:30 the20year2: And how is neobee scamming?

19:06:38 dexX7: or rent?

19:06:40 mircea_popescu: not publishing financial results.

19:07:06 the20year2: Are an0 financials audited by outside organizations?

19:07:34 mircea_popescu: there aren't such organisations yet.

19:08:19 *: nubbins` chuckles

19:08:54 the20year2: So, financial reports are prepared by the company who issues them?

19:09:06 artifexd: mp, an0 == http://fraudsters.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ ?

19:09:14 mircea_popescu: that's generally the way it goes, yes.

19:09:16 mircea_popescu: artifexd yea

19:09:23 the20year2: So, what prevents the organization from lying?

19:09:35 mircea_popescu: the20year2 bitcoin is not about preventing anyone from lying.

19:09:38 nubbins`: the correct question is "how is lying identified"

19:09:40 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is about the conseuqences of having lied.

19:10:50 joecool: consequences will never be the same

19:10:54 nubbins`: the answer is left as an exercise to the reader

19:10:55 mircea_popescu: defo.

19:11:25 dexX7: havelock down, forums extremely slow

19:11:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00087059 = 5.7894 BTC [+] {2}

19:14:28 mike_c: has bitbet ever been ddos'd?

19:14:36 mircea_popescu: the20year2 this dovetails nicely into your earlier curiosities re listing on mpex w/o an account. itstands to reason that large financial institutions that have their own account can keep their accounting straight ;

19:14:57 mircea_popescu: whereas small players will have to retain the help of an investment banker, in which case they get auditing as a packaged deal anyway

19:15:06 mircea_popescu: mike_c well people try occasionally.

19:15:09 the20year2: Maybe so

19:15:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23504 @ 0.00086725 = 20.3838 BTC [-]

19:15:36 mike_c: i take that to mean they aren' very successful

19:15:51 mircea_popescu: not so far.

19:16:05 mircea_popescu: didja see the thing where they tried to hijack the dns via social engineering ?

19:16:17 mike_c: interesting, no.

19:16:44 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/

19:16:47 ozbot: O hai let me verify your identity pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

19:17:02 mike_c: wait, wasn't that how mpex got down? somebody impersonated you to a proxy server admin?

19:17:23 mircea_popescu: yes, a year ago.

19:17:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00590256 = 1.7708 BTC [-] {7}

19:17:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04050001 = 0.2025 BTC [-]

19:17:37 mike_c: hehe. cuddle-puddle.

19:18:56 joecool: i've seen more than a few domains get jacked from social engineering, the best are ones that clone the site, set up shop somewhere without many laws (romania?), then monetize the stolen site

19:19:15 thestringpuller: lol

19:19:19 joecool: and even if the domain was with a US registrar it usually takes a month or two to go through the processes to get it back

19:19:26 joecool: and a lot of money

19:19:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04034999 = 0.2017 BTC [-] {5}

19:19:42 thestringpuller: someone would have just manipulated the mpex trades

19:19:47 mircea_popescu: they need to cease this id-by-email bs.

19:20:00 thestringpuller: and made it look like real trades

19:20:04 mircea_popescu: it's about as bad as "cc over the phone"

19:20:06 thestringpuller: and profit on people trading on bad info

19:20:23 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it got caught pretty quick.

19:20:37 joecool: mircea_popescu: cc over the phone is less bad in my opinion

19:20:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0401 = 0.2807 BTC [-]

19:20:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09298999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}

19:20:45 mircea_popescu: joecool why ?

19:21:04 joecool: mircea_popescu: it's fairly easily reversible, just claim the charges were fraud

19:21:34 joecool: mircea_popescu: not like a CC carries any sort of personal info other than name and address which are often already public record

19:21:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.09339 = 0.5603 BTC [+]

19:21:45 mircea_popescu: well sure, reversible.

19:21:52 mircea_popescu: the fact you can reverse it doesn't mean it didn't fail thjo

19:21:55 thestringpuller: yea but the attacker wouldn't have profited directly on stealing people's money, mpex key is still guarded by naked lady ninja assassins

19:22:34 joecool: thestringpuller: that would depend on whether the attacker actually received goods, if they ran a merchant account they'd have the money clawed back

19:22:55 mircea_popescu: joecool they do triangles.

19:22:59 thestringpuller: i was talking more about an attacker getting access to mpex key via the proxy

19:23:07 thestringpuller: but I don't think the proxy decrypts trades just announces

19:23:44 joecool: mircea_popescu: skimmers are a bigger threat if you can duplicate the magstripe, but most non-US countries figured that out and went chip and pin

19:24:26 mircea_popescu: not what i meant. what i meant was, fraudster sells the merchandise to ignorant buyer, gets irreversible payment from him

19:24:29 joecool: ie. if i walk into a store with a stolen magstripe you don't know i have, i can purchase goods and even if there's a chargeback, it only claws back from the store those goods were bought at

19:24:40 mircea_popescu: you can reverse all you want, it;s not really helping much

19:24:50 mircea_popescu: right

19:25:05 joecool: oh sure yeah if you pull the old paypal-style MITM that's burned so many people in OTC

19:25:19 nubbins`: even places that use chip-and-pin will fallback to magstripe if there's a problem with the chip

19:25:25 mircea_popescu: ^

19:25:34 mircea_popescu: fiat world security is appalling

19:25:43 nubbins`: grab a chip and pin card, rewrite the stripe, smash the chip with a ball-peen hammer

19:26:32 nubbins`: a friend of mine had "PLEASE ASK FOR PHOTO ID" on the signature panel of his credit card some years ago

19:26:35 joecool: true heh, in canada i use magstripe and it throws off all the clerks

19:26:40 nubbins`: he says "watch this"

19:26:47 joecool: cause only one or two US issuers have chip and pin as an option

19:26:55 nubbins`: pays for item in store, cashier looks at back, says "heh" and swipes the card

19:27:22 joecool: nubbins`: i've tested this theory, writing various things like "I STOLE THIS CARD" on the signature pad

19:27:25 dexX7: nubbins`: "please ask for photo id" - that's an awesome move

19:27:25 nubbins`: heh

19:27:31 joecool: only two types of places ever gave me shit

19:27:32 joecool: 1. best buy

19:27:41 nubbins`: great idea but you might as well say "FREE BLOWJOB PLZ"

19:27:42 joecool: 2. stores around ghetto'd aeras

19:27:44 joecool: *areas

19:27:45 nubbins`: for all the good it does

19:28:02 the20year2: I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to publish an0 + gaap reports

19:28:07 mircea_popescu: the blowjob you might get

19:28:11 nubbins`: but for free?

19:28:20 nubbins`: "sorry my break isn't for another half hour"

19:28:50 mircea_popescu: the20year2 i'll bet you you'll be giving up on the gaap style within 12 reporting periods

19:29:00 mircea_popescu: 10x the effort, hardly any extra benefit delivered

19:29:08 mircea_popescu: but by all means, try the experiment

19:29:22 the20year2: If we use GAAP it makes it easier to transition to a public corp

19:30:03 mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with keeping multiple styles anyway

19:30:09 mircea_popescu: most large corps do both gaap and ifra anyway

19:30:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087063 = 4.7885 BTC [+]

19:30:54 the20year2: an0 looks pretty simple, and my idea was to publish something non-gaap anyways since i don't think we can count bitcoin in that, and we'll always have btc balances onhand, so I planned on issuing non-gaap reports at the same time the gaap ones were done (TSLA does that)

19:31:17 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: MPOE will still pay dividends from new sign up fees no?

19:31:21 thestringpuller: dumb question

19:31:22 thestringpuller: disregard

19:31:24 thestringpuller: lol

19:31:36 the20year2: Although in the case of tesla, they issued the non-gaap a few hours before gaap and gained an extra $50/share

19:31:49 mircea_popescu: and the sec never investigated

19:32:05 mircea_popescu: cause they were too busy confiscating the money of traders who had bought options on berkshire

19:32:12 the20year2: Yeah , i don't know though if it's illegal to issue non-gaap reports

19:32:47 mircea_popescu: but look here : some people bought options, in switzerland. they had their accounts frozen and they were required to... prove!!! they didn't trade on insider info.

19:33:02 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, tesla creates random info disparities, nobody cares.

19:33:30 mircea_popescu: quite scandalous, at least to my eye.

19:34:38 the20year2: how big was the loss/gain on the berkshire stuff?

19:35:47 mircea_popescu: like 20x, a few million

19:36:00 the20year2: tesla's was way more than a few million

19:36:12 mircea_popescu: kinda my point.

19:37:34 mircea_popescu: https://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1365171512848

19:37:37 mircea_popescu: that's the link

19:37:49 ozbot: SEC.gov | SEC Freezes Assets in Swiss-Based Account Used in Suspected Insider Trading Ahead of Hein

19:37:53 mircea_popescu: so what i want to know is, how many accounts that traded on the pre-gaap release were frozen by the sexc

19:38:03 mircea_popescu: if they have the time to freeze 100k worth of options.

19:38:26 the20year2: usgov has alot behind tesla's success

19:38:40 mircea_popescu: right.

19:38:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02114995 = 0.1057 BTC [+]

19:38:57 mircea_popescu: basically we're seeing the 1990s of the russian republic all over again.

19:39:21 mircea_popescu: here are the companies the government supports, here are the people it doesn't support, "rule of law" stuff.

19:39:44 the20year2: Just about

19:40:34 mircea_popescu: so you know, where's the list of washington, dc people who bought tsla pre-release.

19:40:55 mircea_popescu: that's what an investigative finacial journo that's looking to jump out of a window would pursue.

19:42:57 nubbins`: or in front of a subway!

19:43:54 mircea_popescu: easier to "find" satoshi i guess.

19:44:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.04005262 = 0.761 BTC [-] {5}

19:47:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.02034704 = 0.3052 BTC [-] {4}

19:48:24 mike_c: what. the. fuck. "all ur assets belong to us". and now they have to *prove* their innocence?

19:48:30 mircea_popescu: why's Plaxant sound familiar to me.

19:48:37 dexX7: here is a general warning: mp cooperates with the sec, so be careful what you tell here

19:48:42 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah, they weren't on the list of people who are allowed to make moneyz.

19:49:01 mircea_popescu: dexX7 aren;t you in the us ?

19:49:26 dexX7: hehe no

19:50:06 Plaxant: mircea_popescu I don't know

19:52:27 mircea_popescu: anyway, no, we're not there yet. currently the sec is trying to get its shit together to be able to cooperate with mp.

19:53:44 mike_c: what a joke. "Plaintiff Securities and Exchange Commission ("Commission"), for its Complaint against

19:53:44 mike_c: defendants Certain Unknown Traders"

19:56:48 mircea_popescu: mike_c put that in perspective. the bezzle is the bezzle. people who are authorised to handle the imaginary portion of the monetary base may do X Y Z types of things. people who are not, however, may not.

19:57:15 mircea_popescu: a trillion dollars is not much loss for usg ineptitude. a hundred grand is too much gain for real world people,

19:57:30 mircea_popescu: for the directly obvious reason that the trilion in question doesn't really exist.

19:58:01 mike_c: the asset seizure laws are what get me.. they are just unbelievable.

19:58:20 mircea_popescu: the system is desperate to acquire as much as possible of the real portion of the monetary base.

19:58:50 mircea_popescu: that's why they'll gladly give you "401k" in exchange for your paycheck.

19:59:06 mircea_popescu: the 401k is b*i type.

19:59:10 mircea_popescu: your paycheck is a type

19:59:26 dexX7: http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/po_vc_03112014.htm

19:59:41 dexX7: no gribble preview? "NYDFS ISSUES PUBLIC ORDER ON VIRTUAL CURRENCY EXCHANGES"

20:00:38 mircea_popescu: it's just an "order" to consider proposals.

20:01:05 mircea_popescu: dunno who wants to make a ny exchange, anyway.

20:01:19 dexX7: the second market/circle guys afaik

20:01:43 mircea_popescu: but that's at least part of why the "someone will actually manage to spring up somewhere to allow us to trade in confidence" part is in the last mpoe statement.

20:01:54 mircea_popescu: yeah, maybe.

20:02:28 dexX7: yeah well. is this a bad thing?

20:02:49 mircea_popescu: i don't see why it would be a bad thing.

20:03:03 mircea_popescu: people who like it can move to ny, people who don't like it can move out of ny.

20:03:13 dexX7: yup

20:03:43 mircea_popescu: it's unlikely to buck the us emigration trend, but who knows.

20:06:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04 = 0.48 BTC [-]

20:08:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 125 @ 0.00324 = 0.405 BTC [+]

20:09:06 mircea_popescu: lemme spam you all :

20:09:23 mircea_popescu: Stock Splits and Stock Activity

20:09:23 mircea_popescu: We often are asked why Berkshire does not split its stock.

20:09:23 mircea_popescu: The assumption behind this question usually appears to be that a

20:09:23 mircea_popescu: split would be a pro-shareholder action. We disagree. Let me

20:09:23 mircea_popescu: tell you why.

20:09:24 mircea_popescu: One of our goals is to have Berkshire Hathaway stock sell at

20:09:26 mircea_popescu: a price rationally related to its intrinsic business value. (But

20:09:30 mircea_popescu: note ?rationally related?, not ?identical?: if well-regarded

20:09:32 mircea_popescu: companies are generally selling in the market at large discounts

20:09:34 mircea_popescu: from value, Berkshire might well be priced similarly.) The key to

20:09:36 mircea_popescu: a rational stock price is rational shareholders, both current and

20:09:38 mircea_popescu: prospective.

20:09:40 mircea_popescu: If the holders of a company?s stock and/or the prospective

20:09:42 mircea_popescu: buyers attracted to it are prone to make irrational or emotion-

20:09:44 mircea_popescu: based decisions, some pretty silly stock prices are going to

20:09:46 mircea_popescu: appear periodically. Manic-depressive personalities produce

20:09:48 mircea_popescu: manic-depressive valuations. Such aberrations may help us in

20:09:50 mircea_popescu: buying and selling the stocks of other companies. But we think

20:09:52 mircea_popescu: it is in both your interest and ours to minimize their occurrence

20:09:54 mircea_popescu: in the market for Berkshire.

20:09:56 mircea_popescu: To obtain only high quality shareholders is no cinch. Mrs.

20:10:00 mircea_popescu: Astor could select her 400, but anyone can buy any stock.

20:10:03 mircea_popescu: Entering members of a shareholder ?club? cannot be screened for

20:10:05 mircea_popescu: intellectual capacity, emotional stability, moral sensitivity or

20:10:07 mircea_popescu: acceptable dress. Shareholder eugenics, therefore, might appear

20:10:09 mircea_popescu: to be a hopeless undertaking.

20:10:11 mircea_popescu: In large part, however, we feel that high quality ownership can be attracted and maintained if we consistently communicate our business and ownership philosophy - along with no other conflicting messages - and then let self selection follow its course. For example, self selection will draw a far different crowd to a musical event advertised as an opera than one advertised as a rock concert even though anyon

20:10:15 mircea_popescu: e can buy a ticket to either.

20:10:18 mircea_popescu: Through our policies and communications - our ?advertisements? - we try to attract investors who will understand our operations, attitudes and expectations. (And, fully as important, we try to dissuade those who won?t.) We want those who think of themselves as business owners and invest in companies with the intention of staying a long time. And, we want those who keep their eyes focused on business resul

20:10:23 mircea_popescu: ts, not market prices.

20:10:24 mircea_popescu: Investors possessing those characteristics are in a small minority, but we have an exceptional collection of them. I believe well over 90% - probably over 95% - of our shares are held by those who were shareholders of Berkshire or Blue Chip five years ago. And I would guess that over 95% of our shares are held by investors for whom the holding is at least double the size of their next largest. Among companies

20:10:31 mircea_popescu: with at least several thousand public shareholders and more than $1 billion of market value, we are almost certainly the leader in the degree to which our shareholders think and act like owners. Upgrading a shareholder group that possesses these characteristics is not easy.

20:10:35 mircea_popescu: Were we to split the stock or take other actions focusing on stock price rather than business value, we would attract an entering class of buyers inferior to the exiting class of sellers. At $1300, there are very few investors who can?t afford a Berkshire share. Would a potential one-share purchaser be better off if we split 100 for 1 so he could buy 100 shares? Those who think so and who would buy the stoc

20:10:40 mircea_popescu: k because of the split or in a

20:10:42 mircea_popescu: split or in anticipation of one would definitely downgrade the quality of our present shareholder group. (Could we really improve our shareholder group by trading some of our present clear-thinking members for impressionable new ones who, preferring paper to value, feel wealthier with nine $10 bills than with one $100 bill?) People who buy for non-value reasons are likely to sell for non-value reasons. Their pre

20:10:47 mircea_popescu: sence in the picture will accentuate erratic price swings unrelated to underlying business developments.

20:10:56 mircea_popescu: apparently a smaller amt of phone number isn't better after all!

20:13:26 dub: is this some form of comedy?

20:13:39 mircea_popescu: it must be.

20:14:06 joecool: !rate mircea_popescu 1 seems legit

20:14:15 *: chatquack stands and claps

20:14:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2770 @ 0.0001799 = 0.4983 BTC [+]

20:14:36 mircea_popescu: anyway, the hate re finance industry continues, http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1983.html

20:15:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2753 @ 0.0008686 = 2.3913 BTC [-]

20:15:52 mircea_popescu: and to wash the horror of all that text,

20:15:53 mircea_popescu: http://25.media.tumblr.com/8b4c582f11725ac5b4d081686b48c9e2/tumblr_msq4bc4AMn1s2kr10o1_1280.jpg

20:20:59 mircea_popescu: http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/03/11/bitcoin-foundation-ramps-up-lobbying-efforts-with-high-profile-hires/

20:21:00 ozbot: Bitcoin Foundation ramps up lobbying efforts with high-profile hires | SiliconBeat

20:21:23 mircea_popescu: lulzy : as it is downgraded to "one of the world?s leading advocacy groups for the cybercurrency," bitcoin foundation hires jim harper and some pr

20:22:45 bitcoinpete: In continuing our celebration of Privilege Day:

20:22:49 bitcoinpete: "Those in the 21st century who are most enamored of the word privilege—and often wield it as a bludgeon—make two mistakes. First, as Skwire shows us, they underestimate the complexity of power dynamics and social context. But they often take it a step further. In the name of reducing their newer, fuzzier kind of social privilege, they often advocate increases in the simple, old-fashioned, government-based variety."

20:22:56 bitcoinpete: http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/check-your-history

20:22:57 ozbot: Check Your History : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education

20:23:22 bitcoinpete: More from another MK, Marcus instead of Lords

20:23:35 mircea_popescu: all this aside : nobody has so far explained what the problem is with privilege in the first place.

20:23:51 mircea_popescu: some people are better than others. intrinsically so. unequivocally so. what of it ?

20:24:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16026 @ 0.0008686 = 13.9202 BTC [-]

20:25:24 bitcoinpete: I wish I had an answer

20:25:55 mircea_popescu: all these kids running around acting as if universal equality is somehow a fait accompli.

20:26:05 mircea_popescu: ridoinkulous.

20:26:33 bitcoinpete: it's not signed and sealed yet, gays can't marry everywhere and we don't have free govweed

20:26:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 117 @ 0.00488 = 0.571 BTC [+]

20:26:56 ThickAsThieves: "privilege" is in the same toolkit as "mean"

20:27:20 bitcoinpete: and we still have to share our privilege with africa

20:27:22 ThickAsThieves: a separation of logic and comfort

20:27:31 bitcoinpete: his will be dun

20:27:33 benkay: the20year2: your operation can't possibly file an0.

20:28:03 dub: they shared AIDS with us, its only fair

20:33:50 mircea_popescu: dub i thought the monkeys gave us aids

20:34:12 mircea_popescu: because privileged upper class british explorer people got bored playing the anthropologist

20:39:32 mike_c: it's not FAIR. that's what of it.

20:39:47 mike_c: re:privelege

20:41:59 dexX7: The stability and longevity of the virtual currency, which exists outside of government and bank regulation, has been in question ... yeah well, tells enough

20:42:44 dexX7: sometimes i wonder why such experts dare to think their contribution was asked for in the first place

20:43:25 mircea_popescu: hey, me too.

20:44:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00086686 = 26.6993 BTC [-] {3}

20:46:06 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell copumpkin http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpoe_sign.txt

20:46:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

20:49:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00086569 = 62.3297 BTC [-] {5}

20:50:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00615994 = 1.848 BTC [+]

20:50:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62632993 = 1.879 BTC [+] {3}

20:51:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 343 @ 0.00615994 = 2.1129 BTC [+] {2}

20:51:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.628 BTC [+]

20:53:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00386884 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3}

20:58:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06800694 = 1.7002 BTC [-] {7}

21:12:29 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.04378767 = 0.9195 BTC [-] {6}

21:14:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.04300321 = 0.9461 BTC [-] {4}

21:15:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00615994 = 0.2464 BTC [-]

21:16:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.618 BTC [-]

21:22:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.04300333 = 0.301 BTC [+]

21:27:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086916 = 1.2168 BTC [+]

21:36:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00086777 = 6.7252 BTC [-]

21:39:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [-]

21:40:21 jurov: i did not get the overstock spam, should i fear i'll be left behind by impending rapture?

21:40:37 mircea_popescu: as you can see

21:40:42 mircea_popescu: we are being left behind

21:41:46 jurov: Patrick Byrne: Bitcoin Messiah, CEO of Overstock, Scourge of Wall Street

21:41:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [-]

21:42:02 mircea_popescu: another one ?

21:42:04 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/eskimo-nell/

21:42:14 jurov: trying to reinvent austro-hungarian nomenclature and failing badly

21:42:36 mircea_popescu: cause you didn't use enough dashes.

21:42:40 mircea_popescu: you gotta dash the audience

21:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086777 = 4.7727 BTC [-]

21:43:00 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/443488826795646976/photo/1

21:43:07 mircea_popescu: His Most Eminent Serenicy, Patrick Byrne, Messiah-CEO of the Bitcoin Realms

21:43:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo win

21:44:11 BingoBoingo: Eh, this web thing isn't for security

21:44:38 mircea_popescu: also Chris Morrow is pretty hawt

21:45:36 jurov: "Go forth in search of fun" translates into "Merg sa-si caute pizde de scos la raport", rly?

21:46:03 kakobrekla: http://bou.si/rest/namorm.png

21:46:07 kakobrekla: runnin low on coin.

21:46:27 jurov: nice css

21:46:41 mircea_popescu: jurov well that'd be untranslatable.

21:47:01 kakobrekla: yes, lel, the guy making the shot mentioned i should look at css.

21:47:53 mircea_popescu: but literally it'd be "they go looking for cunts to make fall-in", as in the military thing.

21:48:02 mircea_popescu: fall in for inspection

21:48:25 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla is that what they say when an acct is unverified ? or is it what they say when they're out of btc ?

21:50:32 kakobrekla: i dunno what difference does it make, its btc we are talking bout

21:51:02 mircea_popescu: if you have some bitcoin it's not your bitcoin

21:51:04 mircea_popescu: obamastamp

21:51:35 kakobrekla: also it IS verified.

21:52:38 benkay: mystical coins

21:52:50 mircea_popescu: oh

21:52:54 mircea_popescu: well that's not so good.

21:53:50 Bunnyh: i got that too a few weeks ago. i got an email too, which explained that withdrawal was blocked because of attempted phishing attacks, and i had to contact support

21:53:57 Bunnyh: took a few days to clear that out

21:54:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00086799 = 15.6238 BTC [+] {3}

21:54:28 mircea_popescu: Bunnyh so did you get your bitcoin back eventually ?

21:54:30 kakobrekla: phishing attacks cause they were hacked which they didnt admit?

21:54:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla stop slandering you soul you.

21:55:02 Bunnyh: yes, after they finally cleared the block the withdraw was pretty fast

21:55:46 mircea_popescu: bitstamp is like a respectable business and everything

21:55:54 mircea_popescu: they just don't know what they're doing is all

21:55:54 Bunnyh: first support response was the same message, even with the "Please contact support part", that was a bit funnyt

21:56:00 mircea_popescu: lmao

21:56:17 Duffer1: ha

21:58:12 Bunnyh: i had only 6 BTC there so unless everyones withdraws were blocked at that time, i can't imagine it was any kind of liquidity problem

21:58:27 thestringpuller: ;;google tony hawk twitter hunt

21:58:28 gribble: Tony Hawk Twitter Hunt 2014: http://www.tonyhawk.com/thth/; Tony Hawk (tonyhawk) on Twitter: https://twitter.com/tonyhawk; Tony Hawk wants you to find a prize via Twitter – USATODAY.com: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/action/story/2012-04-14/tony-hawk-twitter-hunt-to-kick-off/54272918/1

21:59:49 mircea_popescu: Bunnyh unless they have a fractional reserve problem and then they do rolling window withdrawals

21:59:55 mircea_popescu: trying to delay everyone a set interval.

22:00:39 mircea_popescu: (this is useful for the fractional reserve business not exactly because it improves cash flow, which it does not, but much moire because it allwos it to "see into the future", as it were, ie to know ahead of time what financial resources it will need down the road)

22:10:31 dexX7: they don't have one and were audited

22:11:01 dexX7: but nevertheless i think they were attacked, the number of reports of spam to bitstamp users is very, very high

22:11:54 jurov: http://www.ehackingnews.com/2014/03/bitstamp-hacked-users-are-receiving.html says they admitted it to eleuthria

22:12:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00086656 = 9.8788 BTC [-]

22:16:25 Bunnyh: from what i can tell it looks like bitstamp isn't using any spf rules on their domain, wouldn't that block many phishing attempts?

22:16:43 mike_c: spf + domainkeys help.

22:19:48 kakobrekla: www.coindesk.com/new-york-accepting-applications-digital-currency-exchanges/

22:19:54 kakobrekla: here we go :D

22:20:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00086401 = 12.7873 BTC [-] {2}

22:21:13 dub: to da moon like doge?

22:21:39 kakobrekla: like aurora

22:22:14 nubbins`: i hope ninjashogun comes back later and pesters us into giving him money

22:22:25 kakobrekla: in april we should do an astronaut dresscode or something

22:22:35 nubbins`: heh

22:22:40 nubbins`: finally, an excuse to wear my spacesuit

22:24:58 FabianB: ;;bc,stat

22:25:00 gribble: Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command.

22:25:00 FabianB: [As

22:25:04 FabianB: ;;bc,stats

22:25:07 gribble: Current Blocks: 290098 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 205 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4206454280.77 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.24001

22:25:53 FabianB: ;;calc 3.81572379881463E9/10000.0

22:25:54 gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)

22:26:32 FabianB: ;;calc 4206454280.77/10000.0

22:26:33 gribble: 420645.428077

22:26:51 mircea_popescu: dexX7 audited ? what are you talking about ?

22:27:02 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you're late :D

22:27:03 dexX7: sec

22:27:10 dexX7: www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-audit-proves-behind-147m-mystery-bitcoin-wallet/

22:27:22 dexX7: inb4 ".co domain, not legit"

22:27:50 FabianB: !t m X.IDIFF.MAR

22:27:50 assbot: [MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC)

22:28:16 kakobrekla: >>Kodrič also projected this process would “raise the bar” for other exchanges to follow suit.

22:28:20 mircea_popescu: so coindesk links a pdf published on bitstamp;'s website

22:28:26 kakobrekla: careful there, one day he wont be able to reach it. the bar i mean

22:28:28 mircea_popescu: i think perhaps you're unfamiliar with what an audit is ?

22:29:19 dexX7: well, it would certainly be nice, if it were firestartr.co who hosted the file and even more, if it were gpg signed, that of course

22:29:34 mircea_popescu: right.

22:29:42 mircea_popescu: and ideally, if it WEREN'T firestarter.co

22:29:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.0039 = 0.1014 BTC [+]

22:29:51 mircea_popescu: but some actual auditor with an actual track record of auditing.

22:30:06 kakobrekla: fuck i just found out that bitcoin does indeed pay interests

22:30:27 mircea_popescu: random website with a domains by proxy registration and a prepackaged css suite slapped in fails to impress.

22:30:31 kakobrekla: you just need to have a large enough wallet and spammer idiots will sends satoshis to your balance along with a blockchain info note

22:30:35 dub: no virgins for you

22:30:36 kakobrekla: infinite money

22:30:38 dub: derka derka

22:30:56 mircea_popescu: Registered On May 15, 2013 wait even better

22:31:25 dexX7: Firestartr's team has been behind €6.7Bn in transactions over the last 20 years; a dozen trade sales and IPOs and started eight companies from scratch covering brands like Skype, Orchestream and Geneva. Our current community of ventures includes names like Rightster, Teleportd, Badoo, Pusher, Fanatix and UC4 Software.

22:31:35 mircea_popescu: who ?

22:31:45 mircea_popescu: "team". whio ? they have a website which consists of... "we"

22:32:04 mircea_popescu: badoo ?!

22:32:14 mircea_popescu: what the fuck parallel reality is this.

22:32:23 dexX7: huh?

22:32:30 mircea_popescu: Badoo is a dating-focused social networking service, founded in 2006, which uses deceptive tactics to attract new users

22:32:43 mircea_popescu: a history of fraudulent behaviour, and random cardboard web ventures

22:32:48 mircea_popescu: just want you want out of an "auditor"

22:33:48 mircea_popescu: and if they list badoo, which is owned and operated by the russian... shall we not call it online fraud division, but merely refer to it as "Андрей Оганджанянц".

22:34:02 mircea_popescu: i would like to know why other stuff like spylog or begun aren't listed there

22:34:08 mircea_popescu: or w/e, mamba.ru

22:34:40 dexX7: so what are you saying? do you doubt that the result of the "audit" is legit and bitstamp is running a fractional reserve?

22:34:52 mircea_popescu: i am saying that either the firestartr thing is an outright fraud,

22:35:03 mircea_popescu: or else it's a deceptive front for a well known group of grayhats

22:35:14 mircea_popescu: to put it mildly.

22:36:33 mircea_popescu: anyway, that aside, i appreciate the humour of jess powell signing statements,

22:36:48 mircea_popescu: seeing how kraken managed to fuck up deposit addresses creating a mess worth 100s of btc, that they lied about.

22:37:06 mircea_popescu: someone should tell cary it's a bad idea to CONTINUE signing in the company of such doofusry.

22:38:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 56 @ 0.02012201 = 1.1268 BTC [-] {7}

22:41:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04 = 0.2 BTC [-]

22:42:16 nubbins`: kakobrekla: enjoy sochi!

22:42:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 172 @ 0.0061 = 1.0492 BTC [+]

22:42:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]

22:43:22 mircea_popescu: dexX7 did all that coalesce into a point for you ?

22:44:10 dexX7: sure

22:44:16 dexX7: +

22:44:17 dexX7: <dexX7> inb4 ".co domain, not legit"

22:44:17 dexX7: :D

22:44:31 nubbins`: bit of a long shot, but do any of you guys have casascius coins?

22:44:40 dexX7: no :(

22:44:46 nubbins`: i'm trying to track down a brass 2011 series-2

22:44:49 Duffer1: i ish

22:44:54 mircea_popescu: dexX7 ok, let's go through it slower.

22:44:57 nubbins`: so fuckin hard to find

22:44:58 dexX7: no

22:45:02 moiety: ok. i woke up. i have no idea wtf ive been thinking for the past ....months. *new leaf*

22:45:26 mircea_popescu: so, bitstamp is this bitcoin exchange. people have been havng their doubts about it for a while. bitstamp came up with this theory whereby it's been audited.

22:45:29 nubbins`: people are all hung up on 2011 "error coins" (series-1), oblivious to the fact that the series-2 2011s are so much more rare

22:45:42 dexX7: i agree and i expected something such a reaction. you don't need to convince me or something

22:45:51 dexX7: -something

22:45:53 mircea_popescu: i'd like to lay the thing out so it can be followed.

22:46:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0059034 = 0.6199 BTC [-] {7}

22:46:04 dexX7: well then, why not :)

22:46:23 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Is that ninjashogun restaurant guy still asking for money because some mystery man in #dogecoin left him hanging on hit 1337 hardware project

22:46:27 mircea_popescu: so, this purported audit is in very poor form, for a myriad of reasons, such as for instance it being published by the audited entity rather than by the auditor.

22:46:30 *: BingoBoingo is catching up on logs

22:46:59 mircea_popescu: more importantly, the purported auditor does not substantially exist. it consists of a recently registered, domain-by-proxy website, upon which some random copy has been plastered.

22:47:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]

22:47:11 nubbins`: BingoBoingo: yeah, you tell him that there's no way in hell and that he's wasting his time, and he tries to argue that it's worth his time and it's totally a possibility

22:47:19 mircea_popescu: this copy fails the form test, and more importantly makes some claims, which would seem to be false.

22:47:56 mircea_popescu: specifically, their claim as to be behind badoo is immediately suspect, seeing how a) badoo is not particularly a respectable venture and b) it is run by a certain group of russian folk, well known to be disreputable.

22:48:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00086353 = 4.3608 BTC [-]

22:48:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.01940161 = 0.3686 BTC [-] {3}

22:48:11 moiety: BingoBoingo: did he interview everyone via pm, like me?

22:48:19 mircea_popescu: also important, that same group of russian folk run a number of other ventures, which are inexplicably absent from the firestartr claims,

22:48:20 BingoBoingo: Well, when ButtStamp dies this fall, I reckon people outside the WoT will largely be outside of BTC forever.

22:48:32 BingoBoingo: moiety: Indeed he did it seems

22:48:34 mircea_popescu: whereas skype, claimed by firestartr, is obviously not theirs to claim.

22:48:56 mircea_popescu: these facts allow two constructions : either firestartr is simply lying, and has no relation to badoo any more than it has to skype

22:49:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0059 = 0.2242 BTC [-] {3}

22:49:06 mircea_popescu: basically some kid just put random names on a website

22:49:37 BingoBoingo: http://deadspin.com/marlins-dad-abandons-son-for-ground-rule-double-1541200832

22:49:39 mircea_popescu: or else, it is in fact related, and for whatever reason the respective disreputable russian group does not wish to admit to it. so it's more like a front.

22:50:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]

22:50:13 mircea_popescu: these considerations sink the entire thing, either way. either way they've lied, which means they can't audit.

22:50:35 mircea_popescu: make sense now ?

22:50:56 dexX7: yes

22:51:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.601 = 1.202 BTC [-]

22:51:08 nubbins`: bingo, lel

22:51:14 BingoBoingo: Well, bitcoin. It's hard to tell Buttstamp knew what an audit was, other than having had one seemed like a good thing.

22:51:22 BingoBoingo: Then they forget audit is a term of art

22:51:35 mircea_popescu: good, cause on re-read the first verion seemed to me to be making little sense if at all.

22:51:38 BingoBoingo: And were in no way capable of having an actual audit

22:52:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09319999 = 0.2796 BTC [-]

22:53:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well for what it's worth they seem to more or less have moved a bunch of coins in november

22:53:45 mircea_popescu: tho i don't seem to find any proper proof, like signatures.

22:53:52 mircea_popescu: if anyone wants to help dig that can't hurt.

22:56:03 mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/cpQEV86 holy shit, that's the end of it

22:56:07 mircea_popescu: ponzi advertising ?

22:56:30 moiety: THATS ^ what i said other day!!!

22:56:41 mircea_popescu: so hows your new leaf ?

22:57:00 moiety: i'm not sure how to start it i just want it. does that make any sense?

22:57:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ponzis buying ads on the forum openly is no new news.

22:57:08 mircea_popescu: news to me, sorry

22:57:17 mircea_popescu: moiety sure.

22:57:27 BingoBoingo: There was a thread in Meta, I'll dig it up

22:57:35 mircea_popescu: "Marc Andreessen favorited your Tweets 11h: Reply to @pmarca If your intel dept didn't stink, you'd know all about BitBet. http://bitbet.us/ "

22:57:48 mircea_popescu: somebody's getting screamed at today

22:57:52 BingoBoingo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=472000.0

22:58:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 75 @ 0.01769606 = 1.3272 BTC [-] {7}

22:58:20 moiety: hey i didn't know there was a thread! didn't they take enough crap regarding BFL ads?!?!

22:58:22 BingoBoingo: Maybe Marc Andressen needs an Intel department?

22:58:36 mircea_popescu: they have one

22:59:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe they need intel people for their intel department?

22:59:08 dexX7: yesterday's reddit frontpage: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zzzq0/ponzicoin_operator_steals_money_investors_get/

22:59:16 dexX7: and a day later: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2023pn/ponzicoin_depositors_get_payed_back_wasnt_a_scam/

22:59:20 dexX7: 'nuff said :D

22:59:26 mircea_popescu: lmao

22:59:34 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo intel is hard.

22:59:48 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is indeed

22:59:49 moiety: also BingoBoingo re first comment in ponzi ad thread... theymos doesn't actually have legal responsibility in reality does he?

23:00:08 moiety: sounds like gum bumping to me

23:00:26 mircea_popescu: moiety it roughly depends where he lives.

23:00:27 BingoBoingo: moiety: Well the pirate case might touch on Thermos's responsibility as he said sure Pirate, you can start a thread, allegedly

23:00:35 benkay: moiety gum bumping?

23:00:42 dexX7: why the fuck should this be "illegal"?

23:00:47 dexX7: @ ads

23:01:02 BingoBoingo: benkay: It's when you take a bit of coke an touch it to your gums to see if it is coke or not

23:01:15 B007: mircea_popescu: your paywall on your blog is lel. and easy to get past

23:01:21 dexX7: if "investors" want to play ponzi games, why not?

23:01:36 mircea_popescu: dexX7 it's generally illegal to advertise illegal activities in many jurisdictions

23:01:44 dexX7: not like anyone made any effort to hide what's the website is about

23:01:47 mircea_popescu: which is why you don't see ads for hookers in your favbourite magazine

23:02:01 moiety: benkay: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bumping%20his%20gums

23:02:20 mircea_popescu: B007 the point isn't really to make it impossible to get past.

23:02:40 nubbins`: ^

23:02:50 B007: ip based so no effort required

23:03:09 nubbins`: the point is to make it annoying enough to make you want to spend the dollar it takes to buy credits ;p

23:03:24 B007: new ssh tunnel takes me like 10 secs

23:03:42 nubbins`: congrats, where did i leave my gold stars...

23:03:47 mircea_popescu: 10 secs are, for most people in the civilised world, worth more than the respective satoshis.

23:04:06 B007: it'd take far more time to accually pay

23:04:12 B007: for me anyway

23:04:15 mircea_popescu: you pay for your ips don't you ?

23:04:19 B007: nope

23:04:29 mircea_popescu: well then you're not in target anyway.

23:04:29 nubbins`: free ips

23:04:29 B007: well one of them yes

23:04:57 B007: and then there is tor

23:04:59 nubbins`: i used to be with this ISP and if you connected a switch to your dsl modem, they'd give a public ip to every connected machine

23:05:04 nubbins`: for free

23:05:07 nubbins`: minor oversight ;p

23:05:12 B007: nice

23:06:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 38 @ 0.00307552 = 0.1169 BTC [-] {2}

23:06:26 nubbins`: was nice at the time

23:06:33 B007: what ISP?

23:06:33 nubbins`: couldn't give any less fucks these days

23:06:44 nubbins`: a local subsidiary of bell that you've never heard of

23:08:11 nubbins`: this was back before wireless routers were a common thing

23:10:47 dexX7: nubbins`> the point is to make it annoying enough to make you want to spend the dollar it takes to buy credits ;p < flip the statement: it's more comfortable to buy than to leech. kinda nice approach btw.

23:11:12 nubbins`: nod

23:12:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1830 @ 0.00017111 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {9}

23:12:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00086341 = 13.9009 BTC [-] {2}

23:12:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0061 = 1.22 BTC [+] {2}

23:13:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+]

23:16:38 B007: why is it more comfortable to buy than to leech?

23:16:54 MAKABEakira: would have ff a lot of wtf if i found fraudsters 6 months ago instead of last month. btc infospace is a formidable fog of war for newbs

23:17:07 mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira this is true.

23:17:41 Duffer1: welcome to the club makabe

23:17:45 mircea_popescu: kinda why i encourage people to blog and so forth, make good info a little more accessible.

23:18:28 mircea_popescu: i mean some people are just deliberately being stupid, but in many more cases people just don't have the info, at all.

23:18:45 BingoBoingo: So... Apparently 'Merica is annexing luxembourg? http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2014/03/united_steaks_of_america_map_if_each_state_could_have_only_one_meat_what.html

23:19:01 MAKABEakira: no lack of content, but quality content has evolved some rather effective parasitic mimics

23:19:22 mircea_popescu: aptly put.

23:19:23 moiety: mircea_popescu: how to prove a publisher knew something was illegal when they advertised it though?

23:19:30 mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira what do you do irl ?

23:19:43 MAKABEakira: TV

23:20:00 MAKABEakira: mostly watching, sometimes producing

23:20:05 mircea_popescu: moiety "should have known", "reasonable person standard", "duty of care" etc etc. the jurisprudence is taller than you,

23:20:16 mircea_popescu: cool.

23:20:29 mircea_popescu: o wait, you ever read my variety speak article ?

23:20:50 MAKABEakira: are you, you irl?

23:20:56 dexX7: B007: well i once paid a tiny amount and can enjoy fraudsters probably for lifetime. that's comfort vs. "need to reset my ip now and then"

23:21:03 mircea_popescu: what do you mean am i me me

23:21:04 MAKABEakira: i assume so, but. mimcs cc.

23:21:09 *: moiety nods - fe

23:21:23 MAKABEakira: is your name actually mircea p

23:21:28 B007: yes

23:21:37 MAKABEakira: i assume so but not sure if you have 'fans'

23:22:12 BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: He's not the Mircea Popescu that does pottery if that is your question

23:22:17 mircea_popescu: MAKABEakira a yes, it is.

23:22:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 298 @ 0.00266378 = 0.7938 BTC [-] {20}

23:22:37 MAKABEakira: ah ok.. brb, rl intrudes irl

23:22:41 mircea_popescu: it is a reasonably common name, so there's a dozen or so other people by the same name

23:22:54 MAKABEakira: and no, haven't had the plesh

23:23:06 moiety: aw fuck so no chance of vases in here... bye!

23:23:08 BingoBoingo: http://www.absolutearts.com/portfolios/m/mpopescu/artist_exhibitions.html

23:23:08 ozbot: Mircea Popescu Exhibition History - Artist Website

23:24:04 BingoBoingo: So... Looks like Obama's suit budget might go bust http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/03/11/men_s_wearhouse_to_acquire_jos_a_bank_for_1_8_billion.html

23:25:34 moiety: why on earth is that artists exhibitions list not in chronological order? site almost gave me ocd

23:26:12 mircea_popescu: by the way, for whoever was wtfing about all the nude shots :

23:26:12 mircea_popescu: http://www.phototours-ukraine.com/

23:26:14 ozbot: Phototours-Ukraine - Ukrainian models and photography workshops

23:26:18 moiety: oh ignore ^ its hideously labelled instead

23:26:29 mircea_popescu: there's actually people who make it their business to organise a "photographic vacation"

23:27:13 moiety: they have a whole nude in public section! love it!

23:27:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 490 @ 0.00378959 = 1.8569 BTC [-] {4}

23:29:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61 = 1.83 BTC [+]

23:32:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086308 = 2.3735 BTC [-] {2}

23:34:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00086275 = 17.0825 BTC [-]

23:35:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 16770 @ 0.0001519 = 2.5474 BTC [-] {13}

23:36:46 Duffer1: Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 9h

23:36:47 Duffer1: When it comes to markets and finance America is the 'short bus' that is slowing down global growth.

23:36:57 Duffer1: how long's it been since he's mentioned his coin...

23:37:04 Mats_cd03: http://www.qoinpro.com lol

23:37:36 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he's forgotten all about it.

23:37:41 mircea_popescu: (both of em)

23:37:57 Duffer1: i doubt the suckers he scammed have forgotten

23:37:58 mircea_popescu: guy's target are people with short attention spans and limited memory space.

23:41:22 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/443532114802118656

23:41:23 ozbot: Twitter / BBoingo: @ArsLaw @cfarivar And bitcoin ...

23:41:24 MAKABEakira: human memory is lossy compression

23:41:31 MAKABEakira: more limited you got, more loss you get

23:41:38 BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: How lossy depends on the person

23:41:56 mircea_popescu: ther'es a space between lossy and lousy.

23:48:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.0039 = 0.2964 BTC [+]

23:51:06 MAKABEakira: is barry seibert really going ahead with this. last i heard it was a string of "we hope our partners" this and "if regulation" that, but so far, tumbleweeds

23:51:21 BingoBoingo: Who is Barry?

23:52:01 MAKABEakira: fred i mean

23:52:40 MAKABEakira: nm i shdnt type while on phone. Barry Silbert - SecondMarket

23:54:23 BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: Well going ahead with what?

23:54:25 MAKABEakira: yet SM's exchange launch is taken as a foregone conclusion.

23:55:19 MAKABEakira: apologies i was under impression this was watercooler talk everywhere. don't shoot

23:56:00 Duffer1: you mean are they going ahead with SMs bitcoin exchange?

23:56:42 BingoBoingo: MAKABEakira: It is a talk of some kind. Just... when you name nobodies like Barrys and Larrys, you have to mention what they are trying to do.

23:57:51 MAKABEakira: Duffer1 yes. silbert put an embargo on all employee trading actvity after Count Goxula started his final bender. has not resumed since afaik

23:58:31 Duffer1: if they had traders on gox then i doubt they're fit to run an exchange of their own

23:59:00 Duffer1: nobody paying attention for more than a month would have known to not have $$ there

23:59:29 MAKABEakira: i am sure there were some. i think it's more of PR 'not it' move