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00:05:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00032355 = 8.7035 BTC [+] {2}

00:12:42 cazalla: TIL danielpbarron is mircea_popescu

00:13:07 cazalla: and here i thought it was nubbins or perhaps even hanbot

00:17:54 danielpbarron: i guess it's the beard or something

00:18:00 jurov: can't he be everyone?

00:18:35 danielpbarron: new tshirt slogan for nubbins "I AM MP"

00:20:42 BingoBoingo: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/05/chemistry_incident_in_manchester.php

00:20:44 assbot: Chemistry Incident in Manchester. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1b0JQQF )

00:21:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00032424 = 18.8383 BTC [+]

00:23:40 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: reprieve << ahaha lol no. it's the usual 'we'll slip it up your arse later when brouhaha is over and nobody's paying attention' usg business.

00:25:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They will likely try that yes. It's just very expensive politically to anger the gun lobby in this way.

00:25:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ratchet still cranks.

00:25:57 asciilifeform: when has usg legalized anything formerly forbidden ?

00:26:11 asciilifeform: that'd be like a lion un-eating a gazelle

00:26:34 BingoBoingo: Well, there was that one time they listened to women on booze and retracted, but it was an earlier time.

00:26:43 cazalla: danielpbarron, it could be the beard, i'd wager there is a higher ratio of men with beards than not in #b-a and higher ratio of men with bikini wax at /r/bitcoin

00:26:51 asciilifeform: only retracted when found a new use for the armed thugs

00:28:55 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still a lot of blame for this goes to the fuckers who made AR-style pistols. Some feasibe civilian arms in the US are simply not made due to the legal/regulatory cascade which would follow. (ex. 'smart' guns)

00:29:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc 'smart' in the sense of electrical detonation is explicitly forbidden

00:29:28 asciilifeform: on account of being a software patch away from full auto

00:30:05 asciilifeform: and this apparently is a great irritant to many marksmanship types who would much like electrical striker for a few percent decrease in mechanical jitter

00:30:08 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That, but also 'smart' in the sense of authenticates user is defacto forbiden because of New Jersey law.

00:30:33 asciilifeform: the one that makes it mandatory if ever becomes available on the market ?

00:30:41 BingoBoingo: That one indeed

00:32:13 asciilifeform: still not sure how anything the size of a 1990s laptop can be called a 'pistol' with a straight face

00:33:00 asciilifeform: (in usa - anything that has only one hilt it being roughly 90 degree to the barrel, iirc, is legally 'pistol')

00:33:10 BingoBoingo: ^

00:34:21 asciilifeform: ianal, but phun phact (tm):

00:34:58 asciilifeform: my understanding is that in usa, war machines that do not use pyrotechnic effects are not considered 'arms' and are not regulated at the national level

00:35:08 asciilifeform: e.g., arbalest, laser, electron beam weapon, etc.

00:35:41 asciilifeform: there are prohibitions on nukes (lol), poisons, and biowar - but that's, iirc, it.

00:36:43 asciilifeform: not that appropriate text couldn't be crapped into the penal code overnight if lizardhitler wished it, mind you

00:36:48 asciilifeform: but still entertaining, this omission.

00:36:57 BingoBoingo: There's state level prohibitions on top of things. In any number civilian taser/stun gun ownership is banned

00:37:10 asciilifeform: too 'humane' ?

00:37:10 *: jurov once had some stray thoughts about nanotubes-reinforced arbalest

00:37:18 trinque: asciilifeform: fascinating; all I can find re: lasers is labling requirements, etc

00:37:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So it seems

00:37:56 asciilifeform: trinque: i have a 'class 4' laser right in this room

00:37:56 BingoBoingo: trinque: With sufficiently good batteries laser, magnetic rail, and other exotica might finally be banned.

00:38:07 asciilifeform: trinque: if it were 10,000 times larger, would still be 'class 4'.

00:39:11 BingoBoingo: At the moment I imagine there is no explict ban because USG wants to see what Boeing might buy for them off of a sufficiently advanced crackpot while it is still safe to assume such things are minimally portable.

00:39:33 trinque: BingoBoingo: eh probably just hasn't been a problem yet

00:40:00 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: usg-sponsored ($maxint) laser shenanigans traditionally involve chemical (that is, single-shot) machines

00:40:05 trinque: there's something there too about being able to outwit the regulators by virtue of them not having the imagination to conceive the necessary ban

00:40:06 asciilifeform: loaded like cannon

00:41:02 asciilifeform: trinque: it isn't like one could cut through a phalanx of usg stormtroopers and stay legally in the clear simply because the machine is not banned per se

00:41:03 trinque: though I think that tends over time towards ever vaguer "regulations" which amount to "we can stop you for doing anything we deem 'dangerous'"

00:41:15 trinque: asciilifeform: heh! no, certainly not

00:41:48 asciilifeform: usg could and did put down rebellion even in the era when arbitrary hardware was permitted to whoever could afford it

00:41:52 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048068 <<< absolutely, it's also loads of fun

00:41:52 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 00:40:05; trinque: there's something there too about being able to outwit the regulators by virtue of them not having the imagination to conceive the necessary ban

00:42:04 jurov: carbon nanotubes can provide 10 times greater force than steel... that would make for quite an arbalest :>

00:42:07 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but if sufficiently crazy/monied/intelligent crackpot produces solid state laser pistol with more than anti vehicle firings per charge that isn't too portable they would likely consider it a purchase

00:42:15 jurov: don't see how'd ban that

00:42:42 jurov: laz0rs can be bannet more easily than that

00:42:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: good physical reasons why you would not want to be standing even behind such a thing, much less holding it, when fired

00:42:51 jurov: *banned

00:43:30 asciilifeform: what will almost certainly be usg-banned quite soon - and banned the way chemistry as a class was, rather than as specific types of small arm were - is flying machines

00:43:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, but maybe it might make sense USG-ified on a boat

00:44:49 asciilifeform: eventually a 'multicopter' (perhaps usg provocateur-piloted) will be used in some loud, public vandalism (graffiti of $landmark or wtf) and it'll be 'reichstag fire'

00:46:19 BingoBoingo: Ah, you mean like that time Uhaul rented a truck from their yellow competitor to sully that brand

00:46:52 asciilifeform: ?

00:47:06 BingoBoingo: The oklahoma scam

00:47:13 asciilifeform: aha lol

00:48:09 BingoBoingo: At one point in Civ II I edited the files to add the yellow truck as a unit type

00:48:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25476 @ 0.00032741 = 8.3411 BTC [+] {2}

00:49:41 asciilifeform: incidentally, to continue an earlier thread with mircea_popescu et al re: 'jungle bullet' - has anyone ever attempted to militarize the old familiar 'hydrogen cannon' ?

00:50:27 asciilifeform: where the propellant is H and O produced via electrolysis for each shot

00:51:14 asciilifeform: (and ignited, of course, via electrical spark)

00:51:21 BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:45mm_CLGG_figure_1.jpg ???

00:51:23 assbot: File:45mm CLGG figure 1.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5lt0g )

00:51:39 asciilifeform: not quite

00:52:03 asciilifeform: 'light gas gun' is its own animal, where a gas where speed of sound is faster than in air is used as a 'piston'

00:52:17 BingoBoingo: Ah

00:52:25 asciilifeform: typically used in experimental physics, rather than war, because it is rather fussy

00:52:51 asciilifeform: hmm seems like linked item does use for propellant as well..

00:53:30 BingoBoingo: It does, just combusted

00:53:56 BingoBoingo: next step from that is "scram cannon"

00:54:18 asciilifeform: at any rate this is a golden toilet

00:54:33 asciilifeform: but there is no particular reason why the principle cannot be applied to a man-portable small arm

00:56:09 BingoBoingo: tooling in the big challenge it seems. requires a finer grit than bastard file offers

00:56:24 asciilifeform: why?

00:56:39 asciilifeform: fundamentally less precision metalwork needed here

00:57:13 asciilifeform: and with correctly-shaped projectile, smooth barrel would suffice

00:57:43 asciilifeform: potentially bullet itself could even be molded during the process of firing

00:58:05 asciilifeform: (explosion-forming of vaguely correct quantity of $material)

00:58:30 BingoBoingo: These still require something of a piston system though?

00:58:36 asciilifeform: the gas is the piston

00:58:54 BingoBoingo: Interesting

00:59:42 jurov: get a pipe, seal one one side but connect it to electrolyzer, jam bullet into other side,

00:59:51 asciilifeform: jurov: that's the basic idea, yes

01:00:10 jurov: geerate gases, fire...oh need spark plug, too

01:00:40 BingoBoingo: AH, space musket

01:00:43 asciilifeform: need to have some notion of stoichiometry and strength of materials to avoid creating self-grenade instead of musket

01:01:05 asciilifeform: but again this is an ancient idea, not mine.

01:01:36 asciilifeform: it is interesting to remember that, at a certain velocity, it no longer really matters what a bullet is made of

01:01:45 asciilifeform: one could literally pierce a tank with a compressed turd

01:02:00 asciilifeform: -if- it could be made to travel fast enough.

01:02:32 asciilifeform: (think about micrometeorites, etc. and occasionally there is a cosmic ray travelling with the energy of a well-thrown baseball.)

01:03:44 BingoBoingo: But a better throw baseball isn't always a faster baseball.

01:04:04 BingoBoingo: (baseballs have effective target zone too)

01:04:08 jurov: lol.. someday maybe we learn how to generate cosmic rays with scotch tape

01:05:26 BingoBoingo: lol

01:11:28 BingoBoingo: further lol https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=b0bc65729070b9cbdbb53ff042984a3c545a0e34

01:11:30 assbot: kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeBCub )

01:13:15 cazalla: for any baldur's gate lovers.. pillars of eternity out in a few weeks, looks interesting http://youtu.be/roK1wzOLT-k?t=15m16s

01:13:17 assbot: Pillars of Eternity Gameplay 03/07/15 Pax East - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeBN8M )

01:15:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21637 @ 0.0003348 = 7.2441 BTC [+]

01:17:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20402 @ 0.00033535 = 6.8418 BTC [+] {2}

01:29:00 asciilifeform: 'If however, anyone feels personally abused, threatened, or otherwise uncomfortable due to this process, that is not acceptable. If so, please contact the Linux Foundation's Technical Advisory Board at...' << linus begins to totter ?!!?

01:29:56 asciilifeform: obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998178 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998185

01:29:56 assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:49:56; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ? << that's not the point. in a normal society, the threat is a fundamental tool to hierarchy building.

01:29:56 assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.

01:30:18 BingoBoingo: It might be the case linus wavers

01:30:34 BingoBoingo: Related lols http://developers.slashdot.org/story/15/03/10/2149256/on-firing-open-source-community-members

01:30:36 assbot: On Firing Open Source Community Members - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeDnrl )

01:36:35 asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/chaos-practice-and-applications.html << mega-l0l

01:36:36 assbot: ClubOrlov: Chaos: Practice and Applications ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeDWBe )

01:37:22 asciilifeform: ^ worth reading mainly for the slipping car anecdote

01:39:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.0003333 = 8.4325 BTC [-] {2}

01:53:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047818 << actually this is a remarkably good piece on the textual merits.

01:53:34 assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 14:59:37; asciilifeform: http://www.railslove.com/stories/my-way-into-clojure-building-a-card-game-with-om-part-1#Other_Misgivings << mega-l0l (from server logs)

01:54:47 mircea_popescu: jurov kukuruku is a great name. used to be this shitty wafer when i was a kid, most ridiculous advertisements.

01:55:27 asciilifeform: кукареку

01:56:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept

01:57:08 asciilifeform: fucker knows what he's doing. not ignorant.

01:58:12 asciilifeform: see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-3383 .

01:58:13 assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1Do4lkZ )

01:58:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but formally, as far as writing is concerned, as far as the art of blogging is concerned, it's a good piece.

01:58:55 mircea_popescu: i can't be arsed to wade into the merits.

01:59:21 asciilifeform: i suppose it is 'good' in the sense in which the products of herr goebbels were.

01:59:53 mircea_popescu: right.

02:00:06 mircea_popescu: which they definitely were. the russians copied liberally but never equalled

02:00:13 asciilifeform: whole world copied.

02:00:22 mircea_popescu: that's more recent

02:00:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16572 @ 0.0003429 = 5.6825 BTC [+] {2}

02:01:43 BingoBoingo: I mean the Germans did win the propaganda war.

02:02:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55200 @ 0.00032968 = 18.1983 BTC [-] {2}

02:03:19 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047857 << check it out, the shithead lies about imaginary consensus in december, then "is working" on building the consensus he lied about having, in march. get lost, fucksticks. your gig is up.

02:03:19 assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 18:05:42; thestringpuller: "I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of bitcoin — the

02:03:20 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:04:36 mircea_popescu: "i'm going to pretend like if i find five people that can be bribed, scared or fooled then that's all that was needed to begin with. just, the usg is so ridiculous, toothless and impotent I CANT EVEN SAY WHO THE FUCK THE FIVE WILL BE. hopefully we even find five idiots, or else... whatever, three's enough. one's me, one's me dressed as satoshi, one's me in my wife's panties. win!"

02:05:03 BingoBoingo: !b 1

02:05:03 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3VFJHE9.txt )

02:05:11 mod6: lol

02:05:30 asciilifeform: usg assets don't surrender, they keep doing their thing until the stool is kicked and the rope goes taught. or how did it go.

02:05:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047858 << that part was inevitable. what was evitable, and usually is avoided, but couldn't be and consequently wasn't here is - the whole thing critically failing and in the process exposing them, their methods and the whole farm to public ridicule.

02:05:59 assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 18:08:18; ascii_field: the turdmeisters replacing the genuine blockchain download process with an 'equivalent' one that 'omg111itfinallyscales!!11' - was inevitable

02:06:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the expression is, lolcow.

02:06:34 mircea_popescu: an internet retard who simply can not stop providing the lolz.

02:06:48 mircea_popescu: so people just milk it and milk it and milk it.

02:06:56 asciilifeform: but they did replace it (with the headers-only crap) and even a buncha morons are running the thing

02:07:09 mircea_popescu: a buncha morons are running ripple, what's your point ?

02:07:19 mircea_popescu: a buncha morons actually believe the song and dance about "ethereum investment"

02:07:27 mircea_popescu: a buncha morons were all over "neo bee revolution" last spring.

02:07:43 mircea_popescu: now if only morons mattered.

02:07:46 asciilifeform: point isn't that gavin&co are 'winning', but that the absence of said winning is not driven home to them

02:07:53 mircea_popescu: yeah, right.

02:08:13 mircea_popescu: which is why he's "building consensus", and which is why he's carefully waiting for my lunch breaks. because it's not driven home.

02:08:15 asciilifeform: they're still alive, well-fed, and polluting the sky

02:08:21 mircea_popescu: it's home alright. he sleeps with it in bed.

02:08:29 mircea_popescu: everyone's well fed, including the bums.

02:08:37 mircea_popescu: notacriteria.jpg

02:09:19 mircea_popescu: now if ben_vulpes an' mod6 get this show off the ground, it'll be reheheheally fascinating in short order.

02:09:56 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047863 << the only one that solved the problem the usg backed "teams" are "working towards" i would presume without reading.

02:09:56 assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 18:13:45; ascii_field: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/multiple-teams-creating-bitcoin-based-prediction-markets/30429 << notice what site is missing from this article

02:10:09 mircea_popescu: it's ok, they've been doing this for years nao.

02:10:24 asciilifeform: 'parallel world where none of it happened' (tm)

02:10:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047869 << no one knows kakobrekla s dry wit like i do hehehe

02:10:34 assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 18:16:24; kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment.

02:11:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30423 @ 0.00032353 = 9.8428 BTC [-]

02:12:28 mircea_popescu: anyway. so teh usg-vc-turdatron is "building prediction markets" and usgavin is "building consensus" among the "core developers" of a meanwhile obsoleted branch of bitcoin core.

02:12:43 mircea_popescu: welcome to late 2012 early 2013, i imagine a btc/usd run-up is coming ?

02:13:16 asciilifeform: we still need a goxoinbase ehem.

02:13:45 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

02:13:52 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 291.28, vol: 12500.04342666 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 288.504, vol: 15536.49063 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 293.98, vol: 65572.1613873 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 292.227045, vol: 223377.47330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 289.0, vol: 29.73914519 | Volume-weighted last average: 292.369523406

02:14:01 BingoBoingo: ^ mircea_popescu Looks likely

02:14:05 mircea_popescu: heh.

02:15:05 BingoBoingo: most stagnant low in years + recent large scam deaths === bull run impending

02:15:35 asciilifeform: '2015-03-10 20:02:29 One or More Panels Have Entered Into a Pick And Place Machine'

02:15:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23566 @ 0.00031952 = 7.5298 BTC [-]

02:15:48 mircea_popescu: the 200ish wallow is reminiscent (to me) of the $2 wallow

02:15:50 mircea_popescu: was a great fun time.

02:16:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048025 << wait wut ?!

02:16:15 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 00:12:42; cazalla: TIL danielpbarron is mircea_popescu

02:16:47 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048036 << don't go there. marihuana is coming legal.

02:16:47 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 00:25:57; asciilifeform: when has usg legalized anything formerly forbidden ?

02:17:19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they'd have to backpedal on 50 yrs. of forced treaties with most of the planet

02:17:27 asciilifeform: for full-bore legal

02:17:48 mircea_popescu: it's now going into senate. most states are going off the ganja bust.

02:17:56 asciilifeform: rather than idiot contradictory crap like the netherlands

02:18:14 asciilifeform: (where use is legal but production & shipment is prosecuted)

02:18:54 mircea_popescu: no current western state is capable of noncontradictory, meaningful legislation

02:18:59 asciilifeform: wasn't speaking, note, of whether usians will smoke weed mostly without harassment (they already have for years) - but of whether fed usg specifically will let go of the bludgeon

02:19:00 mircea_popescu: strictly because of their sovereignity problem

02:19:30 danielpbarron: wait wut ?! << https://twitter.com/ofnumbers/status/575445435441000448

02:19:31 assbot: /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash core 0.10 was released feb 16 & is now 2nd largest "user agent" (node) on network. https://t.co/MUpvRFk2pP http://t.co/tUExE2e8gF

02:19:31 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> now if ben_vulpes an' mod6 get this show off the ground, it'll be reheheheally fascinating in short order. << just wrapping up the regression of the static binary: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ny9m6Q3R and after this, we just need to bundle up this thing and sign patches & tar ball. gettin close!

02:19:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeHR0U )

02:20:02 mircea_popescu: mod6 sweet.

02:20:39 danielpbarron: and because assbot and twitter don't get along: "@danielpbarron you are Mircea Popsecu. creator of #bitcoin-asssets, kicked of twitter for violating TOS due to threat on @aantonop"

02:20:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048052 << i knew a chick who kept arbalest.

02:20:39 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 00:34:58; asciilifeform: my understanding is that in usa, war machines that do not use pyrotechnic effects are not considered 'arms' and are not regulated at the national level

02:20:50 mircea_popescu: nasty thing, too. could definitely cut down a small amr.y

02:21:10 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lol mircea popsicle.

02:21:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, kakobrekla created bitcoin-assets.

02:21:32 asciilifeform: laugh or not, bolt will go straight through 'kevlar', 'spektra', etc. anything without solid plates.

02:21:45 mircea_popescu: yup.

02:22:02 mircea_popescu: not fast enough for rayon to do anything. powerfdul enough to cut through leather, wood etc

02:22:06 asciilifeform: cuts the fibers individually (they are designed to contain blunt impact, just as silk - the first ballistic vest material - did)

02:22:25 asciilifeform: archduke ferdinand, famously, wore one ^

02:22:29 asciilifeform: silk vest, that is

02:22:32 asciilifeform: not arbalest

02:22:39 BingoBoingo: Ah, cazalla's pice looms just under the threshold for srs reddit xposture https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ylqkl/alleged_usms_auction_winner_leaves_eldritch/

02:22:41 assbot: Alleged USMS Auction Winner Leaves Eldritch Message : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeI848 )

02:23:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As did Doc Holliday and other Western gunfighters who lived more than a few weeks into their careers

02:24:31 mircea_popescu: i thought holliday just had tb.

02:24:38 mircea_popescu: he also had sv ?!

02:24:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00031846 = 17.1968 BTC [-] {2}

02:24:59 BingoBoingo: I could have sworn he had one

02:25:06 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048076 << fwik it's the crankers strength that limits it, not the materials.

02:25:06 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 00:42:04; jurov: carbon nanotubes can provide 10 times greater force than steel... that would make for quite an arbalest :>

02:25:17 BingoBoingo: holliday had tb, twas what sent him to the dry west

02:25:23 mircea_popescu: bows are closer, but even there...

02:25:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: materials. strength can be levered (literally) by gearing

02:26:03 asciilifeform: but speed of bolt will not exceed speed of sound in the spring

02:26:07 asciilifeform: thinkaboutit

02:26:21 mircea_popescu: but levering by gearing slows down the operation.

02:26:26 asciilifeform: sure.

02:26:31 mircea_popescu: well it's a problem.

02:26:35 asciilifeform: still generally faster than musketry.

02:26:51 mircea_popescu: IF you don't leverage the strength to the point where it isn't :L)

02:26:52 BingoBoingo: Wind the gears mechanically

02:26:58 mircea_popescu: that point is way below what steel can carry.

02:27:40 mircea_popescu: bows are almost limited by materials, but not really, still mostly the archer. crossbows however, it's all the shooter.

02:27:55 asciilifeform: at any rate, in the age of the arbalest the beryllium-copper spring did not exist. wood was the spring.

02:28:02 asciilifeform: and was, iirc, pushed to more or less the limit

02:28:50 mircea_popescu: nah, steel was still the spring./

02:29:11 mircea_popescu: steel was used for the x part in the xbow before it was abundant enough to go into swords.

02:30:31 BingoBoingo: Well, since the 1800's Krupp has done a lot to improve steel strengths and specializations...

02:30:58 asciilifeform: http://margo.student.utwente.nl/sagi/artikel/steelbow/steel2.html

02:30:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeIOqc )

02:31:44 asciilifeform: http://www.atarn.org/letters/ltr_dec04.htm << forensic archaeology, built, tested

02:31:45 assbot: Letter: December 2004 ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeITdp )

02:34:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00034304 = 8.0614 BTC [+]

02:37:45 BingoBoingo: I'll just throw out again that less-wrong's propaganda Harry Potter dicided to solve the Voldemort thing by decapitating everyone with carbon nanofiber tightened by magic.

02:39:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00034304 = 15.0766 BTC [+]

02:39:55 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048128 << i don't understand this open ended "we will work toi resolve your problems" approach.

02:39:55 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 01:11:28; BingoBoingo: further lol https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=b0bc65729070b9cbdbb53ff042984a3c545a0e34

02:40:10 mircea_popescu: the only thing it does is it encourages "problems" being dreamed up by people who otherwise aren't worth the time of day.

02:40:36 mircea_popescu: if you don't know how to apply pressure, don't have an avenue to voice your concerns, that means that your concerns aren't worth shit. go die or whatever it is losers do.

02:40:39 BingoBoingo: Maybe Linus's ace in the whole just might be counting "STFU" as a resolution, but my hope for that is dim

02:40:48 asciilifeform: linus totters.

02:40:52 asciilifeform: eventually - falls.

02:41:07 mircea_popescu: everything fails eventually. guy's been doing it for what, 20 years ?

02:41:31 mircea_popescu: i don't personally expect anything further from linux. in this sense, he's retired already.

02:41:36 asciilifeform: 'single point of failure' and enemy knows it.

02:42:20 mircea_popescu: single point of failure of a meanwhile obsolete position, but hey. enemy loves to pat himself on the back over having "Conquered" the strongpoints of yesteryear, meanwhile abandoned.

02:43:23 BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: You want a press credential, yes?

02:43:34 BingoBoingo: ;;google ULC press credential

02:43:35 gribble: Press Pass & Parking Placard | Universal Life Church Monastery: http://www.themonastery.org/catalog/presspassparkingplacard-p-193.html; Wallet Sized Press Pass - Universal Life Church: http://www.themonastery.org/catalog/walletsizedpresspass-p-277.html; Legal ID & Badges - Universal Life Church Store: http://www.themonastery.org/catalog/-c-38.html

02:43:43 BingoBoingo: It's what I use

02:43:51 thestringpuller: I iz /w da dly qnt

02:44:03 mircea_popescu: lol get a hat.

02:45:00 mircea_popescu: oh, in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b126231cb86d89ecba1190317bd07302/tumblr_nirxk3XOsI1tcuxu9o1_500.jpg

02:45:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeJZ95 )

02:45:31 BingoBoingo: I wonder if this is the late Andreas of the house of derp http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-16766

02:45:33 assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeK5xw )

02:46:05 mircea_popescu: lmao

02:51:11 asciilifeform: point re: herr torvalds was, that a healthy culture doesn't consist of a corral of helpless pets and one wizard waving iron staff standing on a bridge doing the 'thou shall not pass' thing

02:51:52 cazalla: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048025 << wait wut ?! <<< reference to some guy you might know and have written about before named tim swanson who thought danielpbarron was you, occurred on twitter

02:51:52 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 00:12:42; cazalla: TIL danielpbarron is mircea_popescu

02:52:23 cazalla: ah nevermind, in the logs..

02:54:54 danielpbarron: stoya was here ?! << is this the stoya you were thinking of? -> https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/575129423097147392

02:54:55 assbot: Do I know anyone who knows a bitcoin expert?

03:06:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf is the point of the faux 'press' card ?

03:07:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's issued by a (actual) church publication. What n00b would deny it?

03:08:15 *: asciilifeform at one point had an entirely genuine card from $censored_media_conglomerate and never found any good 'social engineering' use for it

03:09:18 *: asciilifeform was not involved in broadcast chumpatronics in any way, even remotely, but ended up having paycheques issued by one such thing by sheer accident

03:09:22 BingoBoingo: There's always opportunities

03:10:29 asciilifeform: where, exactly, does one get in by virtue of having such a thing, that you would wish to go ?

03:11:44 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In plaintext best to attribute things to the imagination. Various other credentials that legitimate religious organization offers work well for prisons, nursing homes, other institutions....

03:13:00 asciilifeform: any idiot can print a card.

03:13:03 asciilifeform: not wunderwaffen.

03:13:45 asciilifeform: incidentally, dye-sub card printers are plentiful on 'ebay' and the like.

03:14:41 BingoBoingo: Sure any idiot can print a card, but special is the third pary that will keep a record of having issued such a card and affording it officialdom.

03:15:04 asciilifeform: creating such an 'organization' is basic spamatronics-101.

03:15:33 asciilifeform: using the same 'church' as 100,000 other would-be spamatronicists - fail.

03:16:27 asciilifeform: incidentally, if you want a mailing address inside an actual, historically-mapped church - it is trivial to arrange.

03:16:46 asciilifeform: many such properties in u.s. cities are hard up for cash and will rent as much as half the premises to random folks

03:17:02 BingoBoingo: Of course

03:17:19 asciilifeform: i was briefly a member of a kind of electronics club that met in a huge old church

03:17:33 asciilifeform: complete with massive circa-1920s boilers that didn't work

03:19:17 BingoBoingo: In USia there is a golden middle of Churches, generally for resource use you want an installation which is part of a larger mainline organization which happens to be helmed by a person favorable to yourself.

03:20:16 asciilifeform: caveat is that the ancient truce whereby usg would not openly fuck with a church - no longer really holds

03:20:21 BingoBoingo: Anything too new or independent tends to attract investigations for any number of reasons.

03:24:35 BingoBoingo: One good indicator though is people of the cloth who go for this sort of chumpatron are too be avoided http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/9000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg

03:24:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wX8yLO )

03:24:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27203 @ 0.00034153 = 9.2906 BTC [-] {2}

03:25:03 asciilifeform: 'citadel' ?

03:25:20 asciilifeform: or wtf is that honeypot

03:25:22 BingoBoingo: Yeah

03:25:37 BingoBoingo: The prefab end times bunker honeypot

03:26:36 asciilifeform: lol re: footprint of 'grow room' garden pots

03:26:39 asciilifeform: vs. bed count

03:26:55 asciilifeform: one inevitably concludes that it grows only ganja for the occupants

03:26:56 BingoBoingo: Although in that example with their allocation of floor space I like how they in a historically justified manner unspokenly conceed the "dental Room" to all manner of surgery

03:27:02 BingoBoingo: lol

03:28:59 BingoBoingo: 2/3rd the square footage adds shooting range and "quarantine" room http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg

03:29:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeNKeA )

03:30:40 mircea_popescu: cazalla oh lol.

03:30:49 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mega-idiocy

03:31:13 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It really is.

03:31:17 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yes, actually!

03:31:19 mircea_popescu: !s stoya

03:31:20 assbot: 32 results for 'stoya' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stoya

03:31:37 mircea_popescu: hey, tell her i'm a fan, see if she'll do http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/

03:31:38 assbot: I'll pay for your tits pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnVtLn )

03:31:46 mircea_popescu: she can have dbl bitcents because she's famous.

03:33:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Especially lulzy since the already built nike garages go for ~$75k where one would need only hang drywall

03:33:45 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and actually, since im in a great mood : you get 100 bucks worth of bitcoin bet on any bitbet of your choice, lemme know what you want.

03:34:05 mircea_popescu: dude got some pretty slick moves with da ladies i'll tell you that.

03:34:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have no idea who the chumpatronicists in question are, or what they charge, but the drawings show that none of it has any relation to physical reality

03:35:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You've watch computer engineering long enough to know reality doesn't sell. Charging+Input port sells. Reflective screens sell. Actual reality doesn't sell.

03:36:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's ordinary chumpatronics, where someone at least showed a bit of effort, and there's utter rubbish that falls apart after thinking about it for ten seconds if you've half a clue

03:37:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49043 @ 0.00034462 = 16.9012 BTC [+] {3}

03:38:38 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've actually though that kindest thing to do for customers in this market would be standard grain silo pointing down (jsut like missile silo) full of rye. At least can trip balls or have mash to distil before doom

03:39:12 asciilifeform: the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape.

03:39:23 BingoBoingo: Then again the last really big LSD production bust in the US if I recall correctly was an Atlas-F silo used pretty much this way

03:39:24 asciilifeform: (taken as an approximate thing)

03:39:44 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. << Yeah, seems at least as much as cost of escape.

03:40:04 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

03:40:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo speaking of which, have passport yet ?

03:40:36 Vexual: ive got a nice new inkjet

03:40:43 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm still on the wade through mud plan.

03:41:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20633 @ 0.00032916 = 6.7916 BTC [-]

03:41:26 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you start now, could make it to next year's.

03:42:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If I did foot the whole way still ~3-4 months late, not counting the antihills of the Darien

03:42:37 asciilifeform: sail might be faster.

03:44:03 BingoBoingo: It would, but requires sinking more costs on expendables. Considering indirect air travel.

03:44:41 Vexual: arent u on a river?

03:44:56 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the funny thing is, that the cost of a reasonable death bunker is nearly equal to the cost of escape. << if you think about it, this is necessarily so.

03:46:02 asciilifeform: necessarily?

03:46:45 BingoBoingo: Vexual: A river is near. One navigable by small craft... Maybe...

03:47:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58550 @ 0.00031464 = 18.4222 BTC [-] {3}

03:47:23 mircea_popescu: well yes. prices are not unlike communicating vessels.

03:47:39 mircea_popescu: substantially the same thing wil lcost substyantially the same in a free market. and this is one.

03:47:52 asciilifeform: i get that it's a price signal

03:48:02 asciilifeform: but sorta failing to grasp precisely which.

03:48:09 asciilifeform: death bunker is not substantially the same thing as escape

03:48:27 asciilifeform: except in the 'fuck you i'm a dragon' (tm) sense, i suppose

03:49:20 mircea_popescu: right.

03:49:26 mircea_popescu: "solution to problem X"

03:49:26 BingoBoingo: Does anything else matter?

03:49:33 BingoBoingo: !b 5

03:49:34 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/27SK2XV.txt )

03:52:06 *: asciilifeform invites aficionados of the subject to study what bunkers that were built by folks who weren't strangers to arithmetic looked like, what was inside, how long expected to function, under what kind of pushback, etc.

03:52:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00030937 = 8.1519 BTC [-] {3}

03:53:44 asciilifeform: my mind is still reeling that anyone, anywhere, might have swallowed the '3000 sq. ft for two dozen people', 'grow room' the size of bedroom, idiot hollywood 'motorcycle garage' and 'gun vault', etc.

03:54:31 asciilifeform: instead of taking twenty seconds to find well-documented fortifications built in recent history, as many photos, drawings as could ever wish

03:54:45 *: BingoBoingo imagines better layout than popular belief one is modest wood frame farmhouse with "bunker" portion used as underground farm/garage

03:55:30 asciilifeform: the concept of clandestine 'farm' with electric lights is a sufficiently familiar one that folks ought to be able to take a napkin calculation and say

03:55:42 asciilifeform: what kind of energy is required, for how much biomass

03:55:52 asciilifeform: and how much, e.g., diesel this translates into

03:56:02 asciilifeform: and what the mtbf of your turbine is

03:56:10 asciilifeform: and how much exhaust

03:56:48 BingoBoingo: Granted this is all easier if you conceed to having an RTG or twenty somewhere on the property.

03:57:01 asciilifeform: a large rtg is about 1kW.

03:57:13 asciilifeform: sell the Pu, buy a cuba.

03:57:28 asciilifeform: from just one.

03:58:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most of Iowa is set upon a radio material goldmine, atm it is ust more economical to get food from the topsoil

03:59:35 Vexual: if you're digging deep, why not go to the hot rocks and steam power?

03:59:54 Vexual: then you can recycle water

04:00:18 asciilifeform: Vexual: unless you're in particularly favourable geography (e.g. iceland) - the cost is roughly equal to orbit

04:01:14 asciilifeform: at any rate, basic formula that ought to put things in picture: take the mtbf of each life-critical piece of mechanism in your bunker

04:01:17 asciilifeform: find the smallest number

04:01:22 asciilifeform: this is now your life expectancy.

04:01:32 asciilifeform: (or rather, upper bound thereof)

04:04:24 BingoBoingo: Still, escape is more reliable for the same reason this "security" talking head is wrong https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/in-partial-defense-of-the-seahawks-play-calling/

04:04:26 assbot: In Partial Defense of the Seahawks’ Play Calling ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrOR2h )

04:06:07 BingoBoingo: If you have a chance to resolve your deficit swiftly versus waiting for a problem to happen, doing the former offers leverage while doing the latter lets fucking New England win the superbowl.

04:08:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24052 @ 0.00032067 = 7.7128 BTC [+]

04:12:54 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

04:20:32 Vexual: well considering shafts and orbits, cruising in a sub is possibly the best of both worlds if money isn't an option

04:22:52 Vexual: just don't buy an aussie one, loud and slow

04:23:46 Vexual: youll want slow and low, with fast as an option

04:27:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83998 @ 0.00031216 = 26.2208 BTC [-] {2}

04:28:54 cazalla: http://dpaste.com/37G7E5D

04:28:55 assbot: dpaste: 37G7E5D ... ( http://bit.ly/1wsdAj7 )

04:28:59 cazalla: ah wrong window

04:30:51 Vexual: are you doxxing somes or does qntra do fantail wrappers now? coz i think i know this

04:33:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00030739 = 5.656 BTC [-]

04:34:29 cazalla: Vexual, attempting to dox mysterious winner of usms auction or at least someone connected to it

04:35:24 Vexual: sounds like some good investigative journalism, when did they get the money to afford such a bid tho?

04:36:37 cazalla: perhaps this person simply handle the coins on behalf of another and did not buy himself, i dunno, wild goose chase tbh

04:37:09 Vexual: yes, or its not in chronological order

04:42:32 Vexual: his dead uncle perhaps?

04:43:45 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

04:45:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00030585 = 12.8763 BTC [-] {2}

04:52:17 Vexual: why not call the sherrif, stephen colbert wallpaer is either a derranged fag or a troll

04:55:10 Vexual: youll need a secretarty that sounds like shes ovulating, and a jeb bush voice

04:58:44 Vexual: its not funny really, the coins were stolen under duress, but you know

05:00:02 Vexual: thats the nature of theft

05:00:35 cazalla: OK, i know who the supposed winner of the 27k is

05:00:59 Vexual: dang that was quick

05:01:06 cazalla: couple of hours

05:01:23 Vexual: is it a scoop?

05:02:16 BingoBoingo: Not sure.

05:02:44 Vexual: print it!

05:16:04 mircea_popescu: and in cruise news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/af28fd470c15c3d37e51b16f5faf86a3/tumblr_n9ywquMmEX1sonex9o1_1280.jpg

05:16:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EauuTi )

05:16:31 BingoBoingo: Vexual: Situation in this case is being handled politely

05:16:53 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is that Kimbo Slice?

05:17:58 mircea_popescu: kimdo dought it.

05:18:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the entire "shitgnome doesn't give up", you ever read http://fraudsters.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#footnote_1_46308 ?

05:18:55 assbot: Various kinds of stickiness pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EauKBX )

05:19:05 mircea_popescu: it's really innate nationalistic behaviour, i suspek

05:25:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00030325 = 9.4008 BTC [-] {2}

05:34:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22852 @ 0.00031299 = 7.1524 BTC [+] {2}

05:43:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11798 @ 0.00032384 = 3.8207 BTC [+]

05:48:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15102 @ 0.00030743 = 4.6428 BTC [-]

05:53:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11398 @ 0.00032351 = 3.6874 BTC [+]

06:07:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46283 @ 0.00029797 = 13.7909 BTC [-] {3}

06:09:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (or rather, upper bound thereof) << your house doesn't collapse the moment a tile hanger in the bathroom falls off, but still,

06:09:17 mircea_popescu: a reasonable engineering approach

06:10:10 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Been a while since you've seen an American built house...

06:10:20 mircea_popescu: a decade or so.

06:10:43 mircea_popescu: <Vexual> sounds like some good investigative journalism << very much this cazalla

06:10:57 BingoBoingo: Near the end of the last boom, they were building them to about the lifespan of American cars.

06:11:09 BingoBoingo: cazalla's been doing fucking work.

06:12:28 mircea_popescu: !paycoin

06:12:33 mircea_popescu: !s paycoin

06:12:34 assbot: 35 results for 'paycoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=paycoin

06:22:00 BingoBoingo: Deedbot newest version is deedbot.org? docs?

06:22:40 cazalla: BingoBoingo, knew i was onto something :)

06:37:54 mircea_popescu: http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2014/01/15/kdbus-details/ btw, re the linus thing

06:37:56 assbot: kdbus details - Linux Kernel Monkey Log ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAEgM )

06:38:07 cazalla: deedbot-, add-deed http://dpaste.com/28XZS58.txt

06:38:08 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAIgP )

06:38:32 cazalla: is that right or just no confirmation unless included in block?

06:39:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23967 @ 0.00031366 = 7.5175 BTC [+] {2}

06:39:11 mircea_popescu: deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/28XZS58.txt

06:39:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAVjX )

06:39:27 mircea_popescu: trinque was going to fix the bizarro counterintuitive interface last we went through this

06:43:25 cazalla: well, in its absence, i have 2 people who are aware what that hash represents so it should work for a time stamp eh?

06:43:31 BingoBoingo: Fuck, is deedbot just too good of an idea to live

06:44:08 BingoBoingo: 3bf559b252621b8e34345ce6f54e8f1a310d0b29ec070a2156f4fd0465f8aa50415bbb56e2a5182e41d719d002a5d2084860b0cc73cb47022339817dcfd76b77

06:44:15 mircea_popescu: i have nfi

06:44:21 BingoBoingo: ^ Won't expire like dpaste at the least

06:44:28 mircea_popescu: right.

06:49:33 BingoBoingo: !up DanTheBitcoinMan

06:49:37 BingoBoingo: Hello DanTheBitcoinMan

06:49:44 BingoBoingo: !up diametric

06:49:59 DanTheBitcoinMan: Hey, guys over at BitBet keep shitting on my new bet I'm submitting

06:50:36 DanTheBitcoinMan: Trying to get rich off the XPY cult

06:50:41 BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Which bet?

06:50:56 BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: WHich bet?

06:51:22 DanTheBitcoinMan: https://bitbet.us/propositions/ , the latest.

06:51:23 assbot: BitBet Propositions ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzDVwR )

06:52:33 BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: BitBet tends to reject bets unlikely to attract betting action

06:52:58 DanTheBitcoinMan: I see, but I thought it would attract some good betting action.

06:53:40 DanTheBitcoinMan: So many idiots out there supporting this blatant scam, surely they would bet on it. Kind of like how the BFL Monarch delivery bet went.

06:53:46 BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: I'm not a BitBet mod, but a short on XPY with small stakes looks like Garza looking to rob again

06:54:16 mircea_popescu: DanTheBitcoinMan the idea is for the proponent of the scamcoin in question to put btc down on it.

06:54:30 DanTheBitcoinMan: Ah, nevermind I completely didn't think about that.

06:54:42 mircea_popescu: this worked historically with bfl, stuck them for a decent sum

06:54:45 DanTheBitcoinMan: Yeah, they'd manipulate and dumb to oblivion to win the bet, last ditch effort if it got big enough

06:54:55 DanTheBitcoinMan: dumb = dump

06:55:04 DanTheBitcoinMan: Yeah, the BFL Bet was beautiful.

06:55:06 mircea_popescu: and more generally, http://fraudsters.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/

06:55:06 assbot: The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzEQNE )

06:55:35 mircea_popescu: anyway, the right way to go about it is, challenge garza or w/e is pushing the thing to put some btc down

06:57:17 DanTheBitcoinMan: Missed that one. The delivery bet needs to be used more often.

06:58:55 mircea_popescu: indeed.

06:59:44 BingoBoingo: Anyways the onus is on the deliverer or someone they've built faith in to initiate one of those

07:01:15 BingoBoingo: Thing is even Josh Zerlan knew where to put money down and Homero doesn't respect that.

07:01:55 DanTheBitcoinMan: Yeah, really, I'm sure that BFL placing that bet they still ended up convincing some poor souls that they truly were going to deliver

07:02:07 DanTheBitcoinMan: I guess it just costs them a little bit more to keep running their scams

07:04:45 BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: And yet in the long run BFl lost so much more.

07:05:33 DanTheBitcoinMan: So what are everyone's thoughts here about Gavin running around and trying to promote his idea of raising the block size limit? Can anyone point me to a very good argument detailing the reasons this should be avoided?

07:06:02 BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: Qntra has a good number of pieces on this point

07:06:12 BingoBoingo: !up Vexual

07:06:46 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:qntra.net gavin

07:06:47 gribble: Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork ...: http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/; Gavin Andresen: "Expect Chaos & Drama" | Qntra.net: http://qntra.net/2014/11/gavin-andresen-expect-chaos-drama/; Flashback: Gavin Andresen | Qntra.net: http://qntra.net/2014/11/flashback-gavin-andresen/

07:07:00 Vexual: thoughtless miners are dissappearing, i think thats one reason bigger blocks wont propogate

07:08:05 Vexual: when the reward halves next time, fees are more importsnt

07:09:07 Vexual: also, whens the last time you tried to sync anode?

07:10:25 Vexual: the anode is adjacent to important things, so, you know

07:13:02 Vexual: also dimandoid lasers and shit

07:13:18 Vexual: all the electrons cant be wrong

07:14:32 Vexual: its in the design

07:15:11 mircea_popescu: <DanTheBitcoinMan> I guess it just costs them a little bit more to keep running their scams << this is the crucial point.

07:15:35 mircea_popescu: DanTheBitcoinMan funny you should ask, because... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048163

07:15:35 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 02:03:19; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047857 << check it out, the shithead lies about imaginary consensus in december, then "is working" on building the consensus he lied about having, in march. get lost, fucksticks. your gig is up.

07:15:56 davout: ohai$

07:17:40 mircea_popescu: hei frenchie

07:18:47 Vexual: yeah even if you try to unsatoshi, youll get flomabaied

07:20:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btq, qntra for linux : https://lwn.net/

07:20:50 assbot: Welcome to LWN.net [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1wsDjI8 )

07:20:57 mircea_popescu: note the almost exact match of thing for thing.

07:21:23 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Actually saw that later

07:21:36 mircea_popescu: and toddf quoite the guy, "For those who don?t want to take the time watching the talk, lwn.net wrote up a great summary of the talk, and that article is here. For those of you without a lwn.net subscription, what are you waiting for? You?ll have to wait two weeks before it comes out from behind the paid section of the website before reading it, sorry."

07:21:51 mircea_popescu: they don't really understand what they're doing, but they ARE trying.

07:22:31 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_eCQYK4a2Q

07:22:34 BingoBoingo: It is a model I wish I would have seen 5-10 years ago

07:27:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00032316 = 2.246 BTC [+]

07:35:55 Vexual: guess dan wasn't really looking for everyones thoughts

07:36:17 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/stuff-i-dont-understand-and-other-likable-parts/

07:46:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13001 @ 0.00032316 = 4.2014 BTC [+]

07:51:16 mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/35cb5c2a717be46ac3b0e7d34c3054e8/tumblr_ni8hqj0v0e1tbhgn7o1_1280.jpg

07:51:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsduM6 )

07:51:23 mircea_popescu: you can't spell grape without rape.

08:00:04 BingoBoingo: !up lrak

08:03:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00032364 = 8.1234 BTC [+]

08:05:38 mircea_popescu: eleaks org ?

08:06:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.0003275 = 17.2593 BTC [+] {2}

08:31:11 hanbot: hey mp! http://www.sitescore.co/fraudsters.com << your site doesn't exist! it's just read by a bunch of people!

08:31:12 assbot: SiteScore | Site Ranking ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3u1h1 )

08:33:01 mircea_popescu: lol

08:33:06 mircea_popescu: sounds about right, sure.

08:39:24 scoopbot: New post on fraudsters by Mircea Popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-fun-read/

08:42:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.000327 = 14.6496 BTC [-]

09:00:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00032903 = 10.1341 BTC [+] {2}

09:08:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44469 @ 0.00033016 = 14.6819 BTC [+] {2}

09:15:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00033157 = 18.7669 BTC [+] {2}

09:16:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00033179 = 7.1501 BTC [+]

09:30:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6396 @ 0.000327 = 2.0915 BTC [-]

09:51:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.00032645 = 22.0517 BTC [-] {2}

10:00:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.0003264 = 3.3782 BTC [-]

10:14:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13048 @ 0.00033179 = 4.3292 BTC [+]

10:31:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00034551 = 15.0642 BTC [+]

10:44:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40452 @ 0.00034519 = 13.9636 BTC [-]

10:45:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24840 @ 0.00033897 = 8.42 BTC [-] {2}

10:45:30 cazalla: garza's missus https://anonimg.com/img/dabfb2d6f14a1f18f1b5278fb95c7ce9.jpg https://anonimg.com/img/dca78566589571fd74043b299a38ede7.jpg

10:45:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWmeb3 )

10:45:31 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWmfvu )

10:46:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27160 @ 0.00034879 = 9.4731 BTC [+]

10:55:34 davout: cazalla: lol srsly?

10:56:33 cazalla: ya, seen others, just not as provocative

10:57:26 davout: keep em coming

10:59:40 cazalla: ah i just found those ones on the tardstalk forum

11:03:09 davout: hah, link plox?

11:03:53 davout: and what was that train ticket bzns where they were moving to brussels or sthg, grepped my logs, couldn't find it

11:04:22 cazalla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10732463#msg10732463

11:04:23 assbot: GAW Miners Paybase Paycoin unofficial uncensored discussion.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWqAPa )

11:04:49 cazalla: not sure what become of hte train tickets, i don't follow it as close as i once did, might skim that thread every couple of days

11:05:43 cazalla: mp suggested we fire at most 2 bullets.. i think garza is bullet ridden by this point so unlikely to ever be more

11:36:52 dignork: http://habrahabr.ru/post/252725/ - translation: skype deletes links to dx.com from user messages

11:36:54 assbot: Цензура ссылок скайпом / Хабрахабр ... ( http://bit.ly/18A2xcm )

12:15:30 cazalla: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/11462193/Irish-court-accidentally-makes-drugs-legal.html not that it matters, they're all drunks

12:15:32 assbot: Irish court 'accidentally' makes drugs legal - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsK68K )

12:15:56 davout: pretty lulzy

12:20:16 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048345 << here's a bitbet deposit address generated for a 'yes' on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" -> 157sBJsrLoTheQUpZ7nXMnfELCmrW8xsHz

12:20:16 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 03:33:45; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and actually, since im in a great mood : you get 100 bucks worth of bitcoin bet on any bitbet of your choice, lemme know what you want.

12:21:36 danielpbarron: that 100 USD worth could be 700 USD worth for me at current odds :D

12:23:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50937 @ 0.0003358 = 17.1046 BTC [-] {2}

12:24:33 danielpbarron: also, "@stoya The author of this blog is a fan of yours, and he's willing to pay you 0.2 (double because you're famous). http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ..."

12:24:34 assbot: I'll pay for your tits pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wtwwhm )

12:28:58 danielpbarron: height=269680 vs height=205735

12:40:00 kakobrekla: http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2015-03-09-dlakava-dlan-marčevski-uritoff-39042.jpg

12:40:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsNn7M )

12:41:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00034106 = 17.7692 BTC [+] {4}

12:42:08 cazalla: asian?

12:42:22 fluffypony: THATS RACIST

12:43:09 cazalla: fluffypony, if you had to guess though?

12:43:21 fluffypony: Swahili

12:44:28 cazalla: looks like some hambeasts in the background though

12:56:01 cazalla: coindesk deals.. they must be doing it tough over there

12:57:46 cazalla: i guess i could use a https://deals.coindesk.com/sales/bactrack-mobile-breathalyzer-us

12:57:48 assbot: BACtrack Mobile Smartphone Breathalyzer | CoinDesk Deals ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVSXm2 )

12:58:08 fluffypony: so Coindesk is now Groupon?

12:58:36 cazalla: seems they only accept credit card or paypal, no bitcoin

12:58:54 cazalla: i'd write this up just for the lulz but had a few too many

13:00:27 cazalla: seems it runs through this mob https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/stackcommerce

13:00:29 assbot: StackCommerce | CrunchBase ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVTwvX )

13:05:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00034879 = 1.6044 BTC [+]

13:10:25 fluffypony: ahahahahahah ha hah ahaha hah: http://i.imgur.com/RZHCtoZ.jpg <- Cat 5-o-9 tails

13:10:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVVZ9S )

13:20:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00034303 = 6.0373 BTC [-]

13:32:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0003495 = 8.7375 BTC [+] {4}

13:41:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00035086 = 1.1403 BTC [+]

13:42:56 adlai: asciilifeform: working my way through the lispm talk makes me want to study EE

14:02:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00034545 = 7.669 BTC [-]

14:22:01 nubbins`: <asciilifeform> i was briefly a member of a kind of electronics club that met in a huge old church <<< we hold pop-up art sales in churches a couple times a year

14:22:10 nubbins`: incredibly, incredibly inexpensive

14:24:37 nubbins`: also

14:24:40 nubbins`: "genarator room"

14:24:43 mircea_popescu: fluffypony that shit's evil.

14:24:44 nubbins`: re: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg

14:24:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AfN1K3 )

14:25:31 mircea_popescu: nubbins` the lulziest part there is the "rabbits and fish" thing. i imagine cazalla may have a good laugh.

14:25:46 nubbins`: nod yeh

14:25:59 nubbins`: even if those pots indicate /shelves/ of pots...

14:25:59 mircea_popescu: ESPECIALLY who the fuck came up with the bright idea of making four tiny tanks

14:26:17 nubbins`: i suspect whoever drew this has never seen, say, a tuna

14:26:21 mircea_popescu: as large as the motorcycle garage! because this is sensible now.

14:26:46 nubbins`: i like how there's 4 queen size beds too

14:27:03 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://www.madscientistblog.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/penfieldhomunculus.jpg

14:27:04 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wtVKMu )

14:27:05 nubbins`: and ~50 single-person cots

14:27:07 mircea_popescu: "the man according to the man himself"

14:27:25 mircea_popescu: because mindshare is realityshare, and how important things are in your stupid head really is how important things actually are.

14:27:44 nubbins`: "twenty rabbits should be enough for anyone"

14:28:09 mircea_popescu: hory shit i just saw the scale

14:28:14 nubbins`: right?

14:28:18 mircea_popescu: check it out, i can have two bunkers here.

14:28:24 nubbins`: notu badu

14:28:28 mircea_popescu: plus half a bunker in the closet.

14:28:43 nubbins`: i've got about a half bunker here between the house and the backyard

14:28:59 mircea_popescu: nubbins` im with you. never saw tuna, in either the marine or the feminine variant.

14:29:04 nubbins`: heh

14:29:25 nubbins`: massive, *massive* things. almost silly to see the full thing next to a canned portion

14:29:36 nubbins`: like purchasing a thimblefull of elephant meat

14:29:55 mircea_popescu: japanese ppls regularly buy 1mn dollahs worth of a tuna capture

14:30:01 mircea_popescu: i never saw a head of cattle worth 1mn

14:30:25 nubbins`: BingoBoingo:asciilifeform: If I did foot the whole way still ~3-4 months late, not counting the antihills of the Darien <<< get a boat from panama to turbo, colombia

14:30:33 nubbins`: NOBODY WALKS THE DARIEN GAP

14:30:50 nubbins`: mircea_popescu the famous tokyo fish auctions have $2mn+ tunas being sold on the regular

14:31:04 nubbins`: they had to ban foreigners because too many

14:31:16 mircea_popescu: leaving aside the insanity of all those bunk beds, space's barely fit for you and one woman's spawn : why the fuck is the quarantine room the most central thing in there ?

14:31:29 nubbins`: because THRETT

14:31:29 mircea_popescu: shit's got like 4 doors, what is this, the set for alien 8 ?

14:31:38 nubbins`: THRETT LEVEL REDD

14:32:09 mircea_popescu: i wonder if they make women go in there while on their period.

14:32:17 mircea_popescu: looks like enough for three or four.

14:34:23 mircea_popescu: ahaha this thing... the more you look the lulzier it gets. so in the office, for no reason whatsoever, they opted to make the door open into one of the seats. when they could just have had the weirdo table arrangement in the other end.

14:34:36 mircea_popescu: author must be ~13.

14:36:09 mircea_popescu: laundry room ahahahaha. and where DOES THE WATER GO.

14:36:26 mircea_popescu: obviously it comes from the supermarket, not worried about that part.

14:38:40 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048572 << what is dx.com /

14:38:40 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 11:36:52; dignork: http://habrahabr.ru/post/252725/ - translation: skype deletes links to dx.com from user messages

14:44:23 nubbins`: that's actually a massage table, treadmill, stationary bike, and a rack of free weights in the laundry room

14:44:36 nubbins`: because, y'know, people like exercising next to an operating clothes dryer.

14:45:08 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla notbad.jpg

14:45:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` gotta power the shit somehow...

14:45:45 nubbins`: also, quarantine room/hallway/elevator/generators/garage is a fully enclosed section with no way in or out

14:45:52 nubbins`: np 8)

14:45:53 nubbins`: *mp

14:46:17 nubbins`: srsly, start in quarantine and make your way to a toilet

14:46:21 nubbins`: i dare ya

14:46:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048595 << lawl.

14:46:26 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 12:58:08; fluffypony: so Coindesk is now Groupon?

14:46:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` why do you want a toilet ? YOURE IN QUARANTINE!

14:47:02 nubbins`: heh

14:47:07 mircea_popescu: hold it in.

14:47:11 nubbins`: the motorcycle ride shook my bowels

14:47:28 nubbins`: plus the fumes from the garage and generator room are making me ill

14:47:38 mircea_popescu: fumes are a myth

14:47:52 nubbins`: indistinguishable from co2

14:48:00 mircea_popescu: free vaping

14:48:11 thestringpuller: nubbins` never sniffed glue to get high

14:48:21 nubbins`: not even once

14:48:21 mircea_popescu: anyway, the url is, let me remind and underscore, www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg

14:48:26 thestringpuller: Didn't beavis and butthead intrigue you with the paint thinner episodes?

14:48:28 nubbins`: ULTIMATE

14:48:32 mircea_popescu: this is EXACTLY indicative of the general quality of the internets.

14:48:47 nubbins`: "MOTERCYCLE GARAGE"

14:48:56 mircea_popescu: it's not below average. this is the sort of shit the consumer internet is made of. from wikipedia to the last fucking blogspot blog.

14:48:57 nubbins`: "GENARATOR ROOM"

14:49:30 mircea_popescu: the internet's for porn because really, it can't do anything else... not well, it isn't a question of well.

14:49:42 mircea_popescu: it can't do anything else above mongoloidism.

14:50:00 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

14:50:01 gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.31, Best ask: 294.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 294.4, 24 hour volume: 47068.57062534, 24 hour low: 290.2, 24 hour high: 303.96, 24 hour vwap: None

14:50:38 nubbins`: lel again @ gun range

14:50:58 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sent it. i guess we find out if anyone's replacing kako's logs :D

14:51:09 danielpbarron: tyvm :D

14:51:42 mircea_popescu: also lawl at that choice. "o you wanna give me 100 ? let me take it as 7!"

14:51:45 mircea_popescu: that's the spirit.

14:52:13 nubbins`: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/photo-gallery/

14:52:15 assbot: Photo Gallery of our Underground Products America's Best! Underground Bunkers, Gun Safes, Storm Shelters ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu0YI2 )

14:52:33 nubbins`: "all we've built so far is steel coffins roughly the size of shipping containers, but we swear we can build a 9000sqft bunker"

14:52:59 mircea_popescu: the notion that anything under ~50k sqft or so is a "bunker".

14:53:06 mircea_popescu: what's wrong with "cellar".

14:53:17 nubbins`: these ones are *cough* nuke-proof

14:53:19 nubbins`: XD

14:53:20 mircea_popescu: not the same scent to it while sleepover ?

14:54:05 *: mircea_popescu has been in the casa poporului bunker

14:54:14 mircea_popescu: the thing a crazy dictator builds for himself.

14:54:42 nubbins`: plenty of old ww2 us military bunkers around here

14:54:51 nubbins`: not like these tho

14:54:55 mircea_popescu: for one thing, there's 18 ~meters~ of concrete between the bunker and the atmosphere. the last 3 interspersed with steel plate.

14:54:55 nubbins`: concrete, above ground

14:54:58 mircea_popescu: not "a steel plate".

14:55:02 nubbins`: heheh

14:55:03 nubbins`: right?

14:55:09 nubbins`: "a couple inches of topsoil should be good"

14:55:20 nubbins`: nevermind that this isn't a bunker, it's a fucking rotisserie

14:55:27 mircea_popescu: "nuke proof - but careful if the bomber tries to land nearby"

14:55:34 nubbins`: all you need is for two vendor reps to spit-roast you in the quarantine room

14:55:42 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

14:55:59 nubbins`: my sides

14:56:18 nubbins`: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/Bunker-Getting-Some-Skin.jpg

14:56:19 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrCDow )

14:56:23 nubbins`: ball-peen hammer on floor for scale

14:56:25 mircea_popescu: and by spitroast we mean http://40.media.tumblr.com/f85183b002ff82c91455c4bc4464bb55/tumblr_n0s1piP2iK1tra55do5_1280.jpg

14:56:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrCDVo )

14:56:44 *: nubbins` nods sagely

14:56:52 mircea_popescu: wait. what is that ?!

14:56:57 nubbins`: bottom guy should be standing tho

14:57:10 nubbins`: mircea_popescu the only thing they have actual pictures of

14:57:17 nubbins`: i guess that's the grow room ;p

14:57:23 mircea_popescu: this is a mental condition

14:57:25 mircea_popescu: it must be.

14:57:44 mircea_popescu: "and here's joe. joe has bunker. he's on 720mg clorazepine".

14:58:59 nubbins`: ^

14:59:20 nubbins`: http://www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/Bunker-and-Bunker-Brother.jpg

14:59:22 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu2lXn )

14:59:29 nubbins`: okay, they're actually like 4 feet under the topsoil

14:59:32 nubbins`: i retract all criticism

14:59:40 nubbins`: except for all the mean things i said

15:00:03 nubbins`: Q: Does each bunker come with ten motorcycles, or do I have to provide my own?

15:00:35 nubbins`: also the frieght elevator has one elevator door and two swinging interior doors

15:00:40 mircea_popescu: nubbins` what i wanna know is, do they carve it by hand ?

15:00:51 nubbins`: heh

15:00:54 nubbins`: looks laser-y

15:01:06 nubbins`: that guy is still seling wooden w/e on the forums hey?

15:01:12 nubbins`: with his -1024 neg trust

15:01:16 mircea_popescu: dude... in srs now. they can't be intimating that those steel frame boxes are the "bunkers" ?

15:01:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00034573 = 11.3399 BTC [+] {2}

15:01:43 thestringpuller: I get a lot of notifications on twitter for someone who doesn't really tweet.

15:03:18 nubbins`: mircea_popescu if not, they've posted WAY too many pictures of them

15:04:24 mircea_popescu: but

15:04:34 mircea_popescu: i guess these idiots never heard of scatter gamma huh ?

15:05:37 asciilifeform: time for an elementary likbez on the bunkers of gringolandia

15:05:49 asciilifeform: charlatans have been selling these steel coffins since mid-1950s.

15:06:20 asciilifeform: they were, at the dawn of that age, popular to such an extent, that a great many houses -still- have them buried in the yard

15:06:30 asciilifeform: and the owner does not even necessarily know

15:06:34 mircea_popescu: anyway, for the kids that didn't like physics class : any metal, if subjected to radiation such as a nuclear explosion, becomes a secondary source of gamma rays, as it slows down the rads.

15:06:37 asciilifeform: when they know, often used as a wine cellar

15:06:41 mircea_popescu: it's like being in a microwave oven

15:06:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only when you catch neutrons

15:07:17 asciilifeform: and if you're close enough for this, you're already dead of gamma burst

15:07:21 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what is the definition of likbez?

15:07:26 thestringpuller: ;;ud likbez

15:07:27 gribble: Google found nothing.

15:07:41 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that's because you gotta search for ликбез

15:07:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now this all depends.

15:08:21 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: short for 'ликвидация безграмотности', or 'elimination of illiteracy', a 1920s sov. catchphrase for all sorts of 'popular enlightenment' crackpottery

15:08:33 asciilifeform: today used to refer to quick&dirty intro to something or other.

15:08:45 thestringpuller: google translates the short phrase to: "educational program"

15:08:46 thestringpuller: lol

15:09:07 mircea_popescu: if it's russian, it prolly has liquidation in it somewhere.

15:09:17 mircea_popescu: guys have a serious problem with ice, and it shows.

15:09:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think of it more as a quick shower, rather than dirty :D

15:10:10 asciilifeform: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/53/2f/f1/532ff1d90f480e199803d6b46e9530ed.jpg

15:10:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrEREp )

15:10:34 asciilifeform: these were originally referred to as 'fallout shelters', which is a somewhat more honest description of what one might actually hope to achieve with one

15:11:09 asciilifeform: not in any way shape or form designed to resist blast or serious gamma, and certainly not direct enemy action on the door

15:13:51 mircea_popescu: "canned water" srsly ?

15:13:54 asciilifeform: as with any consumer idiocy, these became 'status object' and those with some money would build appropriately bigger ones, with more pointless luxuries

15:14:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the canned water, yes. still found on 'ebay'

15:14:17 asciilifeform: actually came in cans, like sardines

15:14:21 mircea_popescu: what is it, magnesium residue, just add water ?

15:14:27 asciilifeform: straight water.

15:14:57 nubbins`: "this shelter is gross, all the cans are lined with BPA"

15:15:51 asciilifeform: http://www.ohgizmo.com/2008/08/18/cheap-mini-blast-fallout-shelter-makes-you-question-which-is-the-worse-fate

15:15:56 assbot: Cheap Mini Blast & Fallout Shelter Makes You Question Which Is The Worse Fate - OhGizmo! ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu5BBY )

15:15:57 asciilifeform: ^ for the poor - coffin.

15:16:17 nubbins`: next door neighbour has been shrieking hoarsely at the top of her lungs for ~45 seconds now

15:16:19 asciilifeform: someone should've taught these folks how to do wagner&cyanide

15:16:24 nubbins`: wordlessly

15:17:26 mircea_popescu: "Is someone really going to settle for ?fairly good nuclear protection?? It?s like they?re comparing radioactive fallout to a chilly breeze, and as long as you block most of it, you should be relatively comfortable. "

15:17:38 mircea_popescu: the ohgizmo piece is about as retarded as the originals

15:17:47 mircea_popescu: this is EXACTLY what you do. block most of it.

15:17:54 asciilifeform: linked for the photo

15:18:04 mircea_popescu: it's not a fucking ideological issue, it's a practical matter. radiation isn't this fucking thin from outer space, it's everywhere.

15:18:07 mircea_popescu: stones give it off!

15:18:17 asciilifeform: esp. underground

15:18:26 mircea_popescu: but for that matter, these idiots would prolly be amazed to hear about the ocean of air with its 100kpa right

15:19:35 nubbins`: "but that's so heavy!"

15:19:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intel says this is basically a married life phenomenon. familiar to eu/ru folks as the "going to work on car" man had enough of wife thin

15:19:56 mircea_popescu: g

15:20:09 asciilifeform: absolutely ^ this

15:20:20 asciilifeform: in usa, traditionally called 'man cave'

15:20:28 asciilifeform: as in, the compartment where he hides from wife

15:20:41 asciilifeform: because this is apparently sop

15:20:42 nubbins`: oh, i have a relevant link

15:20:43 nubbins`: sec

15:20:50 nubbins`: ;;google toronto pan am man cave

15:20:51 gribble: Toronto tunnel dug by 2 men as 'man cave', police say ... - CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-tunnel-dug-by-2-men-as-man-cave-police-say-1.2978109; Toronto Police: Men Built Mystery Tunnel to Use as Man Cave - ABC ...: http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/toronto-police-criminal-intent-tunnel-29322877; Toronto police say no criminal intent with tunnel - US News: (1 more message)

15:20:55 mircea_popescu: i thought the man cave is where you take the daughter's classmates / maid / random roadkill for processing in the family way.

15:21:04 nubbins`: lel

15:21:13 nubbins`: "i brought this roadkill in for processing... in the family way"

15:21:30 mircea_popescu: nubbins` also known as hitchhikers.

15:21:42 nubbins`: o-o-o-o!

15:21:54 nubbins`: gj

15:21:57 mircea_popescu: see ? makes perfect sense :D

15:22:15 *: mircea_popescu realises tardively he might be the only one here subscribing to the hitchiker = roadkill convention.

15:22:15 nubbins`: "The man who owned some of the equipment which was found at the tunnel saw it on television and called police. He said he had loaned it to an employee — a construction worker who underpins homes."

15:22:20 nubbins`: ^ second line is best line

15:22:47 nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'd imagine there's just as many people using the phrase "long pig"

15:23:01 mircea_popescu: but dats racis ?

15:23:16 nubbins`: nobody knows for sure

15:23:30 mircea_popescu: anyway, "in the family way" is this 50s periphrase, for fucking. well, fucking in the 50s way, ie -> pregnancy.

15:23:38 nubbins`: best part of this "mystery cave" (which captivated the nation btw) is the people saying "they shouldn't be allowed to do that!!"

15:23:46 mircea_popescu: of coruse not.

15:23:47 nubbins`: can you fuckin imagine if you were /not allowed to dig holes/?

15:24:00 nubbins`: in the family way, i knew

15:24:03 mircea_popescu: the one thing 1980s russia, romania, poland etc agreed in their own idioms was

15:24:09 mircea_popescu: "they shouldn't be allowed to do that"

15:24:12 mircea_popescu: it's a commie thing.

15:24:30 nubbins`: canada: leftist sensibilities under a hard-right exterior

15:24:45 mircea_popescu: hard right exterior ? which way is it pointed ?

15:24:50 nubbins`: inward

15:25:00 nubbins`: :(

15:25:21 asciilifeform: in usa, excavation on your property (not even talking about some random place you've no official busines in) without a 'socially acceptable' excuse is thought to be a sign of 'up to no good' -- like duffel bag of benjies under your car seat

15:25:34 asciilifeform: you must be a deviant, is the thought

15:26:29 chetty: and besides you are making a mess in the neighborhood, not allowed. No messy laundry or flags either

15:27:00 asciilifeform: flags are generally permitted so long as it's a regulation american flag

15:27:42 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you are so paranoid! lol.

15:27:43 asciilifeform: (ianal but iirc my state actually imposes penalties on anyone, incl. landlord, who interferes with the display of a standard american flag)

15:28:24 thestringpuller: i roll around with dufflebag of benjies under my car seat all day erryday

15:28:36 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 1 traffic stop away from penury

15:28:43 nubbins`: ^

15:28:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100930 @ 0.0003489 = 35.2145 BTC [+] {3}

15:28:49 thestringpuller: well the money is going to jail not me

15:28:51 asciilifeform: and you can take that to the bank.

15:28:56 nubbins`: "just let us know why you have 'em and if it checks out you can have em back"

15:29:01 asciilifeform: or rather, not (bank doesn't have much to do with an empty bag)

15:29:26 thestringpuller: bank would probably call feds if you showed up with dufflebag full of benjies

15:29:39 nubbins`: s/probably/be required by law to

15:29:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17897 @ 0.00035333 = 6.3235 BTC [+]

15:30:21 mircea_popescu: !up xinxi

15:30:31 xinxi: thanks

15:30:37 mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?

15:30:51 xinxi: The owner of coinut.com

15:31:00 mircea_popescu: get in teh wot.

15:31:04 nubbins`: ^

15:31:18 xinxi: I used to be in wot.

15:31:28 adlai: wot happened?

15:31:30 xinxi: I don’t know why I am not now.

15:31:37 mircea_popescu: !gettrust xinxi

15:31:37 assbot: xinxi is not registered in WoT.

15:31:37 adlai: ;;ident xinxi

15:31:37 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None

15:31:41 dignork: mircea_popescu: what is dx.com / << chinese online shop with cheap electrnic garbage, very popular in RU

15:31:48 jurov: !trust assbot xinxi

15:31:49 mircea_popescu: dignork oic.

15:31:50 adlai: xinxi: gribble wot ≠ assbot wot

15:31:54 jurov: !gettrust assbot xinxi

15:31:54 assbot: xinxi is not registered in WoT.

15:32:03 mircea_popescu: xinxi ic!

15:32:03 adlai: popular in israel too

15:32:58 xinxi: I see. How to get registered in assbot wot?

15:34:15 thestringpuller: !gettrust wangxinxi

15:34:15 assbot: Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/thestringpuller/wangxinxi | http://w.b-a.link/user/wangxinxi

15:34:21 thestringpuller: You're already in it apparently

15:34:25 mircea_popescu: xinxi coupla coimmands, see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot

15:34:26 assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrI0nG )

15:34:42 mircea_popescu: but yes, you don't need to, you were grandfathered when they split .

15:35:28 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: what mains plug in Ar ?

15:36:06 thestringpuller: xinxi: how goes coinut?

15:36:07 asciilifeform: seeing some disagreement from www on the question

15:36:41 xinxi: thestringpuller: I am still trying to attracting more users.

15:36:59 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is the godfather of options

15:37:17 xinxi: thestringpuller: yeah, mpoe was great.

15:38:15 xinxi: there are buyers, and I’m trying to find a big seller for them.

15:38:30 xinxi: one is asking for 100 BTC+ binary options.

15:38:47 xinxi: and the other is asking for vanilla options for his 4000 BTC.

15:40:06 xinxi: Maybe you guys can help?

15:40:24 thestringpuller: so basically you want financing to underwrite options...

15:41:01 xinxi: I don’t sell. I need you to sell.

15:42:52 xinxi: 100 BTC binary options should be fine for many of you. The size is not that big.

15:43:20 trinque: mircea_popescu: cazalla: you guys just tried to add a rando text file with a hash in it

15:43:26 trinque: not a signed gpg message

15:44:02 trinque: and uh, did I just hear the word "intuitive"?

15:44:42 trinque: !up deedbot-

15:44:59 trinque: cazalla: use deedbot-: add-key dpaste.com/blah.txt

15:45:18 trinque: cazalla: use deedbot-: add-deed dpaste.com/blah2.txt

15:45:32 trinque: where key is your gpg public key

15:48:23 trinque: publishing a hash directly isn't a bad idea at all, though

15:50:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42830 @ 0.00034294 = 14.6881 BTC [-] {2}

15:50:34 thestringpuller: deedbot seems complicated now ~_~

15:50:49 trinque: fucks sake, how to use it was in the logs

15:50:50 trinque: :p

15:51:09 trinque: it will get "improved", but I also have real life to attend to

15:54:15 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sequencing-fraud-on-9-cibc-visa-cards-like-groundhog-day-for-ottawa-man-1.2989611

15:54:17 assbot: Sequencing fraud on 9 CIBC Visa cards like 'Groundhog Day' for Ottawa man - Canada - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NK9OXE )

15:54:22 nubbins`: "It seems somehow the hacking team or the hackers have been able to get a hold of banking 'enigma' code so they're able to generate the exact same sequence of the card that I would be receiving in the mail."

15:54:23 nubbins`: o.O

15:54:35 thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski

15:54:58 pete_dushenski: thx thestringpuller :)

15:55:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 220v V section

15:55:29 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: cut your cards, cut your cards!

15:55:43 mircea_popescu: but adapters are trivial to find so don't worry too much

15:56:04 pete_dushenski: and to all: a sunny hello from jamaica !

15:56:26 mircea_popescu: xinxi what's the difference between a binary option and a bitbet like danielpbarron was talking earlier ?

15:56:54 mircea_popescu: <trinque> publishing a hash directly isn't a bad idea at all, though << it is.

15:57:07 pete_dushenski: obligatory scoop : http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/11/this-is-what-permissionless-innovation-looks-like/

15:57:08 assbot: This is what permissionless innovation looks like. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKaz3d )

15:57:12 mircea_popescu: i didn't actually check teh journos did in fact sing. yo BingoBoingo ! i'm holding you responsible!

15:57:24 mircea_popescu: cazalla we know is new to this entire computer thing :D

15:57:27 trinque: mircea_popescu: is a bad idea?

15:57:38 trinque: thought that's what you gents were trying to do

15:57:49 mircea_popescu: i had no idea they didn't actually SIGN IT

15:57:55 trinque: ahh... heh

15:57:57 mircea_popescu: but publishing unsigned mattrer on the deedbot is horribru.

15:58:37 nubbins`: i find this "sequencing fraud" thing a bit much

15:58:51 xinxi: mircea_popescu: you need to price a binary option before you buy or sell.

15:59:00 nubbins`: what, the haxxors enumerated 100 million visa card numbers and /tried them all/ every time this guy got a new card?

15:59:09 nubbins`: sorry, 10 million

15:59:27 mircea_popescu: xinxi i mean specifically http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048579

15:59:27 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 12:21:36; danielpbarron: that 100 USD worth could be 700 USD worth for me at current odds :D

16:00:15 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you dun understand how weak ssn is. see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009887 and thereabous

16:00:15 assbot: Logged on 06-02-2015 03:09:05; mircea_popescu: "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide."

16:00:33 PeterL: asciilifeform: is this the kind of thing you were talking about? http://www.amazing1.com/products/hho-hydrogen-pistol-paper-plans.html

16:00:33 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

16:00:34 assbot: HHO Hydrogen Pistol (Paper Plans) - Information Unlimited ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKbAIj )

16:00:36 mircea_popescu: they cram 9 digit people into 9 digit sig space.

16:00:37 trinque: danielpbarron: ^ MARK OF DA BEEST

16:00:42 nubbins`: sure, but linked story was this poor canadin schmo who has had NINE credit cards IN A ROW compromised

16:01:09 mircea_popescu: yes well, it's journalism. what starts as a discussion about us ssn ends up as a story about a canadian fucking a gator.

16:01:11 nubbins`: like, he says "this is nuts, can i pick up my replacement at the branch this time?" and on his drive home he gets a call saying his card number was stolen

16:01:24 nubbins`: !up xinxi

16:01:39 mircea_popescu: xinxi you can just !up in private at assbot to permavoice

16:01:53 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: he has to change nicks

16:02:12 mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, "sequencing fraud" is how illiterate gubernmint pinheads refer to "we use shit crypto and so it gets broken all the time"

16:02:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00034223 = 5.4945 BTC [-]

16:02:51 nubbins`: straight up tho, impossibly small address space.

16:02:52 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i would have been "squencing fraud" had fetlife actually been the government it takes itself for / behaves like.

16:02:54 assbot: Page not found pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKchl3 )

16:03:07 nubbins`: 16 char visa number, first 4-8 are predictable based on bank/branch

16:03:15 nubbins`: last one is checksum

16:03:22 *: nubbins` shakes head

16:03:23 wangxinxi: thestringpuller: it works now. thanks

16:03:58 mircea_popescu: 16 digit number. as in you know, fuckall. eight chars pw.

16:04:40 pete_dushenski: most online banking is at this level

16:05:04 pete_dushenski: 'can only use pw with !@# symbols'

16:05:04 nubbins`: when i was in korea in ~2007 they had some serious online banking voodoo

16:05:53 nubbins`: 1) install activex certificate on usb drive 2) put usb drive in computer 3) go to banking website & log in 4) grab OTP list from wallet and enter random 2 of 24 codes

16:06:16 nubbins`: tap your elbows 3 times, kill a monkey, etc

16:06:24 mircea_popescu: sounds like it's broken.

16:06:57 nubbins`: the wallet card thing was mildly interesting, although overall very cumbersome

16:07:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28271 @ 0.00033333 = 9.4236 BTC [-]

16:07:37 pete_dushenski: sk must be running low on monkeys by now

16:07:48 mircea_popescu: nah, they breed like rabbits

16:07:54 mircea_popescu: inside a row of 6 gallon tanks.

16:07:54 nubbins`: ^

16:07:57 nubbins`: hahah

16:08:08 nubbins`: GUN RANGE

16:08:14 nubbins`: EXPLOSIVES RANGE

16:08:20 mircea_popescu: jackoff range

16:08:30 mircea_popescu: by their floor space combined, > 100x the size of the 8 showers.

16:08:40 mircea_popescu: imagine how that thing smells, anno 7 pd.

16:08:41 nubbins`: who needs a water purification setup when you have ten motorcycles

16:08:51 nubbins`: post derp

16:08:53 mircea_popescu: TEN MOTORCYCLES! WITH GUN RANGE!

16:09:24 mircea_popescu: those chucks prolly don't even wash, they just circle each other riding on one wheel and shoot the dirt off.

16:09:37 nubbins`: ha

16:09:54 mircea_popescu: or maybe they chrome themselves pre-sheltering.

16:09:59 mircea_popescu: chroming unit omitted from plans.

16:10:13 pete_dushenski: reading darwin atm and his comment on the 'breed like rabbits' thing is less 'huge numbers' and more 'anywhere, anytime'

16:10:31 mircea_popescu: that's "breed like co-eds".

16:10:41 pete_dushenski: his comments on captive breeding were mildly interesting

16:10:47 mircea_popescu: rabbits don't go to college on account of raceism.

16:11:05 pete_dushenski: lol mebbe darwin didn't either

16:11:53 pete_dushenski: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102493458 << cazalla BingoBoingo

16:11:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrXmpY )

16:11:58 nubbins`: ;;google chroming planet earth

16:11:59 gribble: Black chrome plating problem: Plating is gray instead of black: http://www.finishing.com/108/18.shtml; Living on Earth: Chromium Pollution Exposure: http://loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=03-P13-00010&segmentID=9; Be Alright: http://be-alright.bandcamp.com/

16:12:03 *: nubbins` shrugs

16:12:05 mircea_popescu: incidentally re water purification : ozone by far the best bet for the application.

16:12:16 pete_dushenski: qualcomm getting into bitcoin mining space to the tune of $116 mn

16:12:17 nubbins`: https://be-alright.bandcamp.com/track/chroming-planet-earth

16:12:19 assbot: Chroming Planet Earth | Be Alright ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrXtBT )

16:12:19 mircea_popescu: hydrolize for oxigen, spark for ozone, closed cycle.

16:12:22 nubbins`: ^ have a listen

16:12:38 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski better late than never.

16:12:49 mircea_popescu: they actually still have enough inefficiencies to wring out, so...

16:13:26 pete_dushenski: quite so.

16:13:26 nubbins`: i've a UV-C water purifier that's served me well in many a tropical shithole

16:13:32 PeterL: ozone can be generated by hitting O2 with the right UV wavelength

16:13:41 pete_dushenski: i can't imagine intel and amd are far behind such public ventures.

16:13:41 nubbins`: except for that one trip where i slipped up and brushed my teeth with tap water.

16:13:56 wangxinxi: mircea_popescu: I don’t see that danielpbarron asked for binary options.

16:14:03 pete_dushenski: though i imagine they've already been tapped for more covert operations already

16:14:04 PeterL: another wavelength destroys the ozone when you are done using it to clean your water

16:14:24 nubbins`: ;;google steripen

16:14:25 gribble: SteriPEN Water Purification | UV Water Purification: http://www.steripen.com/; SteriPEN Traveler | UV Water Purification: http://www.steripen.com/traveler/; SteriPEN Freedom | UV Water Purification: http://www.steripen.com/freedom/

16:14:38 mircea_popescu: wangxinxi https://bitbet.us/bet/1120/btc-to-top-500-before-1st-may/ << that, what's that ?

16:14:42 nubbins`: 10/10 will buy another if this one breaks

16:15:50 mircea_popescu: PeterL yup.

16:16:03 mircea_popescu: it's a very powerful combo, which is why all modern water purification is done by this uv/ozone thing

16:16:12 mircea_popescu: well, they're also trying to get bio stuff working, but that's iffier.

16:16:14 mircea_popescu: !up Jrum

16:16:41 PeterL: reverse osmosis is good for getting salt out of your water

16:17:32 mircea_popescu: it is yes. but the application here is more "get her dead epithelia / endometrium out of the washing water"

16:17:33 wangxinxi: mircea_popescu that seems not an option. But it’s definitely quite exciting.

16:17:55 mircea_popescu: wangxinxi but the question is, in what manner is it not an option ? if it goes over you win, if not you lose, or reverse.

16:17:59 mircea_popescu: right ? what's missing ?

16:20:59 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: new comment held up in the spamorator

16:21:19 wangxinxi: mircea_popescu I don’t know. But can we relate it with volatility?

16:21:33 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: goddamit

16:21:56 mircea_popescu: wangxinxi well of more practical interest : just back your options into it. clearly there's volume there, which is exactly what the purpose of bitbet is : to provide liquidity/insurance to repackagers such as yourself.

16:22:15 mircea_popescu: so, if you have uncovered demand, simply calculate what backing you need and offload the risk on bitbet

16:22:24 mircea_popescu: as you say, 100btc ain't much.

16:22:57 thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: LOL. And you once said "Bitbet is just a toy"

16:23:00 thestringpuller: lol

16:23:08 mircea_popescu: everything good's a toy.

16:23:14 wangxinxi: mircea_popescu that could be a good idea. can we calculate the delta of such a bet?

16:23:24 mircea_popescu: im sure we can.

16:23:46 mircea_popescu: wangxinxi http://fraudsters.com/2013/how-to-cancel-your-bitbet-bet/ << here's a good primer of the maths involve.d

16:23:47 assbot: How to cancel your BitBet bet. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrZT3t )

16:24:46 wangxinxi: interesting. let me check first.

16:25:33 thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski

16:25:51 pete_dushenski: ty!

16:26:21 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other end of the nuclear shelter spectrum, http://41.media.tumblr.com/9cc26bb441b1a672d509870cac083e2a/tumblr_ndmg6imkQ91sl37wro1_1280.jpg

16:26:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs0wu1 )

16:32:19 pete_dushenski: “following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.”

16:32:32 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048981 << also https://jobs.lever.co/21/

16:32:32 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 16:11:53; pete_dushenski: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102493458 << cazalla BingoBoingo

16:32:34 assbot: 21 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs1Mgx )

16:32:50 jurov: looks like cloud mining chupmatron

16:33:13 pete_dushenski: lol nice find jurov

16:33:23 pete_dushenski: does look that way

16:38:37 wangxinxi: mircea_popescu it’s possible to hedge. but it seems not very liquid. so it’s a bit difficult in practice.

16:40:46 Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049034 << They’re using SQL! Imagine that! No mongodb and node.js!? Must not be a serious bitcoin startup

16:40:46 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 16:32:32; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048981 << also https://jobs.lever.co/21/

16:41:39 pete_dushenski: not serious, not community-driven, smells like trouble ;)

16:41:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 78 @ 0.02348457 = 1.8318 BTC [+] {7}

16:45:06 jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10731711#msg10731711 mircea_popescu davout behold this gem

16:45:07 assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs4Fhq )

16:45:39 davout: jurov: lol

16:46:32 danielpbarron: haha i was wondering when that would finally get pasted in here

16:48:15 mod6: mit lol

16:53:02 ben_vulpes: far cuter girls at blues night than mit, dun see why i'd bother

17:05:49 adlai: but why couldn't it use https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_lTAhJXEAA9oWE.jpg:large

17:05:50 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs99os )

17:11:01 ben_vulpes: the hell is he wearing?

17:13:50 *: adlai writes his patent guy about 'cape hoodies'

17:28:09 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: is this you? https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues/1076

17:28:10 assbot: Electrum Wallet · Issue #1076 · spesmilo/electrum · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Brk421 )

17:36:19 danielpbarron: "Now let me tell you about my dog: i don't have a dog. So that is the end of that."

17:40:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16706 @ 0.00033254 = 5.5554 BTC [-] {2}

17:41:24 jurov: lol haven't i complained yest that it scans gigabytes of data per wallet?

17:42:34 jurov: oh and btw reducing pruning limit did not help here, fluffypony

17:43:02 fluffypony: jurov: you'd have to reduce the limit and go from scratch afaik

17:43:36 jurov: yea i suspected building the db with lower limit is neede.. but i gave up. maybe when i get ssd available

17:54:43 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

17:55:41 ascii_field: 'sequencing fraud' << i suppose this is when i attempt to explain 'fiat banks create small-time sp4mz0r fraud' thing

17:55:55 ascii_field: imagine you had access to money printer, but only as a lackey

17:56:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56210 @ 0.00033245 = 18.687 BTC [-] {2}

17:56:15 ascii_field: i.e., you can't easily scoop from it directly in broad daylight

17:56:29 ascii_field: but you are in charge of, e.g., the door locks

17:56:32 ascii_field: or alarms

17:56:34 ascii_field: etc.

17:56:53 ascii_field: so you strike a deal where the place is robbed 'a little' now and again.

17:57:00 ascii_field: in exchange, you get a cut.

17:57:32 ascii_field: very basic mechanics here.

17:58:29 ascii_field: the money printer is something like a black hole of 'moral hazard', it has this effect where it is more or less impossible to behave like anything other than a scammer when sufficiently near the event horizon

17:59:19 ascii_field: the sequences are -deliberately- predictable, the crypto is quite consciously weak, the authenticators are a joke, the turdamatics require winblows, etc.

17:59:29 ascii_field: and none of this should surprise anyone who understands what a fiat bank is.

18:00:02 ascii_field: and likewise all of the fraud-mitigation stuff is bones thrown to the plebes to shut'em up.

18:00:56 ascii_field: sums to >>>> 'it's not a bug - it's a feature!'

18:01:37 ascii_field: there were CC # generators on usenet in the mid-'90s

18:01:42 ascii_field: and everybody knew about them

18:01:46 ascii_field: mega-snore.

18:02:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16440 @ 0.00033471 = 5.5026 BTC [+]

18:16:09 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My bad :( fluffypony: Nope

18:22:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28568 @ 0.0003361 = 9.6017 BTC [+] {2}

18:28:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.01351001 = 1.2429 BTC [-] {2}

18:38:29 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

18:38:46 ascii_field: http://www.devthought.com/2012/06/09/richard-stallman-robbed-in-argentina << vintage lulz

18:38:48 assbot: Richard Stallman has his bag stolen in Argentina | Guillermo Rauch's Devthought ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbuGDB )

18:41:43 nubbins`: "I was right there, after the talk. It was a very sad moment. He was really distressed. He started yelling and punching himself in the head."

18:42:44 nubbins`: google-translated linked source: "We all try to find the bag that thought was lost. Stallman was bad and sad."

18:45:23 trinque: nubbins`: "punching himself in the head" << how autistic

18:47:10 ascii_field: old news, found by sheer accident when reading piece re: rms no longer using 'loonson' mips laptop on account of it having been pinched and no replacement could be had

18:49:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 135 @ 0.01350837 = 1.8236 BTC [-] {3}

19:07:12 nubbins`: say, any thoughts on thin client laptops?

19:09:42 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

19:22:07 ascii_field: nubbins`: thin client laptops ?

19:23:36 nubbins`: like, say, chromebooks

19:23:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 240 @ 0.01339666 = 3.2152 BTC [-] {2}

19:23:43 ascii_field: !s chromebook

19:23:44 assbot: 11 results for 'chromebook' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chromebook

19:24:14 ascii_field: i bought the one with exynos 'arm' chip, it's gathering dust. there is not enough published chipset info to run a proper os on it

19:24:42 ascii_field: (the only distro where -all- of the hardware works, incl. suspend mode, is google's gpl-violating gentoo fork that ships with it)

19:25:01 trinque: old cheap thinkpads?

19:25:07 ascii_field: the runner up, and afaik only other working os, is 'arch' - which is systemd-infested

19:25:54 ascii_field: trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries

19:26:07 ascii_field: lcd backlight tubes fade, also (but these one can generally find replacements for)

19:26:43 ascii_field: in this discussion i'm making the assumption that you intend to actually work with the machine - rather than, say, using for pgp

19:26:49 nubbins`: yeah

19:27:04 trinque: ascii_field: does not seem that there are any good choices to be made

19:27:22 trinque: if it's actually "thin" though, its job might just be terminals and ssh

19:27:30 trinque: and have an *bsd box somewhere else

19:27:31 nubbins`: thin-esque

19:28:22 trinque: in my dreams there's an e-ink terminals-only device with an ethernet port and hardware rng

19:28:44 ascii_field: e-ink sucks even compared to teletype

19:28:46 ascii_field: refreshwise

19:29:00 nubbins`: i have a kobo e-reader that i'm pretty sure i could ssh on

19:29:09 nubbins`: but yes, it's absolutely brutal to, say, type five characters.

19:29:19 nubbins`: flip a page every couple minutes? no sweat

19:29:22 ascii_field: best cure is to obtain, e.g., 'amazon kindle', jailbreak, enlinuxate, and actually try it

19:29:24 nubbins`: enter a wifi password? get out

19:29:25 ascii_field: you'll see what i mean.

19:29:42 trinque: in my dreams, of course, eink does not suck

19:29:56 trinque: also my harem numbers 5000 and I rule earth

19:30:37 *: danielpbarron is very good at using ssh terminal on iphone

19:30:59 nubbins`: i only yesterday tried this, no joke

19:31:14 nubbins`: speaking of kobo, i should charge that thing

19:31:34 danielpbarron: i've kept up with some very fast paced arguments using only my thumbs

19:31:44 *: nubbins` wanders off to read

19:34:27 danielpbarron: i don't recommend getting a iphone strictly for this purpose though; it's just a nice bonus if you already have one

20:05:48 thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i can't code in ssh terminal on iphone tho unfortunately.

20:05:56 thestringpuller: it's a bit much to thumb code

20:06:25 danielpbarron: yeah that's not so fun

20:07:52 scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/mystery-startup-allegedly-raises-funds/

20:08:06 danielpbarron: probably a good thing; anything worth using should probably only be coded on a setup similar to what i've heard asciilifeform describe

20:08:54 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

20:19:52 mike_c: "He compares 21’s work in building bitcoin products for the general public to the sequential development of 56-kilobit Internet modems, international fiber cables and wireless Internet towers, which all helped bring the Internet into people’s homes in the late 1990s."

20:19:59 mike_c: their working on the pogo build!

20:20:02 mike_c: *they're

20:24:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00033226 = 12.4265 BTC [-] {3}

20:28:49 ascii_field: 116mil 'mystery startup' << expect to see $maxint of this. usg will build malicious 'wallets' and other mainstreamadoptatron crap for all-comers

20:30:19 ascii_field: expect also to see 'siliconized' versions of gavincoin sold at massive discount and 'dropped from airplane' etc

20:31:28 ascii_field: the buggers got the message that purely spreadshit-based shenanigans don't have the desired 'bang'

20:31:58 ascii_field: so they're moving on to, well, the actual game.

20:36:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00033674 = 3.3001 BTC [+]

20:41:38 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

20:45:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.014 = 1.12 BTC [+]

20:48:28 mircea_popescu: !up RetroUpriser

20:48:47 mircea_popescu: mike_c who's "21" ?

20:48:52 RetroUpriser: Hello

20:48:56 mircea_popescu: hi

20:48:59 mike_c: 21 inc is the new $116 million startup

20:50:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00033003 = 6.7161 BTC [-]

20:50:23 davout: my read on 21 is "some bitcoin noob that happens to be fiat rich rounded a couple of other rich buddies, and wants to fix bitcoin"

20:50:28 mircea_popescu: so a thing that did no work is actually compared to the few things that did work selected out of the large set of things that also did work by the criteria that they survived ?

20:50:54 mircea_popescu: very smart. by this reading, the grime on these peoples' bathtubs is like a mouse : almost a life form, and one that didn't go extinct, either.

20:50:56 mircea_popescu: davout quite.

20:51:12 ascii_field: nobody in usa gets to so much as look with one eye at 112mil usd without a gauleiter reviewing it

20:52:06 mircea_popescu: ascii_field anyway, this scurrying to coinbase and mysterymeat is a good indicator of a) how painful the crushing of shitvin shitdressen was and b) how scary #bitcoin-terrorists actually is.

20:52:51 davout: lol, now i'm forever_alone.jpg in #bitcoin-terrorists

20:53:08 ascii_field: if they're feeling pain, it's a secret from me

20:53:22 mike_c: did the fork happen?

20:53:24 ascii_field: what does printing an extra 112m cost them?

20:53:46 ascii_field: one fewer 'f16' ?

20:53:48 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the humiliation that 112mn is trying to assuage and can never be assuaged is the issue.

20:53:59 mircea_popescu: always the impotence is the issue, never the neurosis attendant.

20:54:23 mircea_popescu: mike_c i see 347214.

20:56:15 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049033 << poor polyanna boring, she had imagined she has something. as if the us isn't chock full of dumb 50yo cunts some petreus or other is trying to promote to "ambassadoirships"

20:56:15 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 16:32:19; pete_dushenski: “following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.”

20:56:19 ascii_field: when usg officials start vanishing from the stage because no longer can pay bills, rather than folks like moiety disappearing from our ranks - then we know, yes, victory

20:56:32 mircea_popescu: ascii_field we're ahead on that score then.

20:56:40 thestringpuller: whatever happened to moiety?

20:56:44 ascii_field: just pointing out that we've not taken berlin yet.

20:56:47 thestringpuller: did derps scare her off?

20:56:52 mike_c: i think she went broke..

20:56:59 ascii_field: thestringpuller: went br0k3

20:57:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049040 << if you think bitbet's not liquid you have a serious problem on your hands.

20:57:07 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 16:38:37; wangxinxi: mircea_popescu it’s possible to hedge. but it seems not very liquid. so it’s a bit difficult in practice.

20:57:18 thestringpuller: ascii_field: that's cause you wouldn't give her duffle of benjies!

20:57:56 mircea_popescu: it's very weird, this psychology of the failed entrepreneur. he comes here with a 100 btc problem, is given a solution that can and historically has covered 1000s.\

20:58:18 mike_c: investors in US follow silicon valley like the midwest follows new york fashion. Now that they are pouring money into these startups, it could be a feeding frenzy kind of year.

20:58:19 mircea_popescu: the catch being that in order to avail himself of it, he has to give up some shard of his entrepreneurial delusion, and instead buckle down and work like a honest man.

20:58:21 mircea_popescu: this is too much.

20:58:29 mircea_popescu: mike_c fosho.

20:58:30 ascii_field: thestringpuller: first i'd have to dig one up myself

20:58:52 mircea_popescu: the sort of usd rain we're going to see here has not yet seen before, and will not be seen afterwards.

20:59:22 mike_c: i used to enjoy marking the bull run by when MPOE had to update its strike prices. can we bring that back this year? :)

20:59:50 mircea_popescu: haha. well, we'd need an actual exchange first.

21:00:18 mike_c: ah, yes. not to worry, the winklevii are almost done with that.

21:00:24 mircea_popescu: "mit's expo" ?

21:00:30 mircea_popescu: da fuck is this.

21:00:49 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: bezzlacademia's hooked up and at full revv now

21:01:09 mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy to me is the part where these schmucks have gone from claiming "unanimity" three months ago to claiming "majority" a month ago" to claiming... parity, today.

21:01:11 ascii_field: legitimacy-spraying the sc4mz0rz like in every other field

21:01:29 mircea_popescu: at this rate by the end of the year they'll be claiming they exist and nobody'll be buying it.

21:01:58 ascii_field: incidentally, (may have mentioned this in the past) - 'mit press' is among the clearest possible illustrations of what happened to american academia in past 20 yrs

21:02:08 ascii_field: (look at the book catalogue then, vs. now)

21:02:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24118 @ 0.00033819 = 8.1565 BTC [+] {3}

21:02:26 mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea that i'm not invited to give talks about how to ruin bitcoin to fucking cia is not the worst credential ever.

21:03:11 mircea_popescu: not so much because they don't think i could figure out a way, but for the more obviously blunt reason that they correctly realise that if i give them a trojan horse they wouldn't have the intellectual werewithal to spot it.

21:08:45 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049105 << on the battery score, i dunno wtf weird planet that is, but you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk.

21:08:45 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 19:25:54; ascii_field: trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries

21:08:50 mircea_popescu: they work splendidly.'

21:09:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049123 << no historical harem got that large.

21:09:42 assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 19:29:56; trinque: also my harem numbers 5000 and I rule earth

21:09:52 trinque: dreams!

21:09:52 mircea_popescu: generally a harem ceases to function over about 50 heads or so.

21:10:00 trinque: har-army?

21:10:12 mircea_popescu: but what sort of dreams! you wouldn't even know most of the hetairai

21:10:23 trinque: man I dunno, I was just saying old ThinkPads are cool

21:10:48 mircea_popescu: then what's all this stuff about small penises and pigmen ?

21:10:59 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk << raw cells - yes. the charge controller, with its parameter rom calibrated to those cells for correct discharge curve - no.

21:11:22 trinque: mircea_popescu: LOL, that'll teach me to discuss my dreams here

21:11:25 mircea_popescu: ascii_field no i mean the whole shebang, in a plastic casing to match original.

21:11:38 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i've bought 5 types or so, all crud

21:11:38 mircea_popescu: i have three dozen for my old ibm thinkpads.

21:11:43 ascii_field: aha thinkpads sure

21:11:48 ascii_field: but something more obscure - no.

21:11:59 mircea_popescu: they have it all. find a chinese person.

21:12:01 ascii_field: plus they tend to sit on shelves for years, and Li ion rots in storage

21:12:02 mircea_popescu: they even have the cure for baldness.

21:12:11 ascii_field: and yes from china, from where else

21:13:16 dignork: !up ascii_field

21:13:50 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: separate problem is that, typically, none of these machines had decent battery run even when the cells were new...

21:14:01 mircea_popescu: well there is that. nutty design energetically

21:14:10 ascii_field: thank intel

21:17:23 ascii_field: incidentally, and i've not seen this observation made elsewhere, but i noticed that laptop mechanical build quality went to shit around the time they stopped costing what a decent used car cost.

21:17:43 ascii_field: there was a pretty clear 'phase change' some time around 2000

21:17:50 mircea_popescu: i think it's related to advances in plastics. once they went fully injected everyone stopped caring.

21:17:59 mircea_popescu: there's this thing that happens once something becomes "a solved problem".

21:18:00 ascii_field: e.g., toshiba's 'libretto' cost ~$6k

21:18:09 mircea_popescu: that something is, buncha smart kids leave, buncha women move in.

21:18:31 ascii_field: 'the men build, the women inhabit' - al schwartz

21:19:07 ascii_field: when the machines turned 'disposable', they stopped having, among other things, steel skeleton

21:19:19 ascii_field: or a proper latch

21:19:28 mircea_popescu: something like that.

21:19:33 ascii_field: (and 50 other supposedly-'optional' items)

21:21:34 trinque: while we're veering towards the "there are no computers" topic, what's wrong with the idea of doing a little lisp-running raspberry pi competitor as a toe-hold into the computer making business?

21:21:46 ascii_field: trinque: what's wrong << everything

21:21:57 thestringpuller: ascii_field: is just a h8er

21:22:31 trinque: no one once ever worked his way into a market

21:22:56 ascii_field: trinque: and let's sell candy made from 9 parts sugar to 1 part turd

21:23:02 ascii_field: 'work into market' by reducing turd %

21:23:32 thestringpuller: one mans turd, another fly's delicacy

21:23:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29473 @ 0.00034403 = 10.1396 BTC [+] {3}

21:23:36 ascii_field: nope

21:24:51 ascii_field: selling turd where c-machine abstraction stack continuously leaks into the supposed 'lisp' - is pure sc4mz4tr0nix

21:24:55 thestringpuller: ascii_field: "this is a turd free zone"

21:26:19 trinque: ascii_field: there are almost limitless tiers of potential products between hfcs and actual food

21:26:34 ascii_field: trinque: but before you can even have this line of thought, find a stock chipset to which you can even port 'minix' without -any- blobs or -any- detectable dysfunction

21:27:55 trinque: there are plenty of people out there that don't give a shit about the blobs

21:28:08 trinque: why not sell something to them with the intent of removing said poo

21:28:19 trinque: in n iterations

21:28:36 trinque: whether they *should* care is another question

21:28:40 ascii_field: trinque: wake me up when this has actually happened, anywhere, ever.

21:28:53 thestringpuller: trinque: you ever try removing poo from your food so its edible?

21:29:02 ascii_field: in practice 'it works, fuck you, we're practical people, go away' and blob stays

21:29:04 trinque: thestringpuller: I don't need to discuss the details of the metaphor

21:29:44 trinque: ascii_field: so don't have those people involved in the decision

21:29:50 trinque: you're CEO of deturdatronix

21:30:05 thestringpuller: ~_~ ya

21:30:20 ascii_field: trinque: you're talking about reverse-engineering, a la nvidia driver, xilinx (see old thread, etc.)

21:30:25 ascii_field: do you know how it usually ends?

21:30:31 ascii_field: by the time you have something usable, chip is out of print

21:30:32 trinque: ascii_field: why does it need a GPU?

21:30:33 ascii_field: permanently

21:30:38 ascii_field: didn't say it needed gpu per se

21:30:49 ascii_field: just bringing up well-known example of this kind of process

21:30:54 trinque: I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port

21:31:04 trinque: start absurdly stupid

21:31:13 ascii_field: buncha folks spend years picking apart the vendor's driver (mind you, this tells nothing about hidden functionality in the silicon)

21:31:26 ascii_field: and when the product is something like ready to use in life - bam.

21:31:36 trinque: I'm sure you're right about that

21:31:37 ascii_field: chip is out of print, and next version is quite deliberately incompatible.

21:31:43 ascii_field: don't take my word for it!

21:31:43 trinque: but then I'd just say aim for something dumber

21:31:54 ascii_field: trinque: let's hear the actual part #s

21:31:59 ascii_field: suggest a chip

21:32:11 ascii_field: that you would like to see starring in this film, so to speak

21:32:18 ascii_field: brb

21:32:58 chetty: isn't the new apple watch thing planned that way? chip is not replaceable

21:33:53 trinque: here's the opportunity I see; maybe I'm wrong

21:34:11 trinque: all these shitty boards like the rpi are going to be making their way into all kinds of "smart" products

21:34:24 trinque: they're all going to get hacked and fucked with like it's 90s windows all over again

21:34:55 trinque: meanwhile some plucky upstart builds something really dumb, like my ethernet light switch

21:35:15 trinque: understands the thing the whole way through, demonstrates its superiority against everything that's been ravaged by hax

21:36:05 trinque: maybe version 5 of the thing gets a USB port

21:36:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31840 @ 0.00033707 = 10.7323 BTC [-]

21:48:22 mircea_popescu: <trinque> I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port << this is kinda how this process is going as is. hence the cardano.

21:49:30 mircea_popescu: and you know exactly how it'll go : the usg horde will derp their derpage, most idiots of the jwz ilk will "not want to pick the political bone" and so on and so forth.

21:49:49 mircea_popescu: nttawwt, but don't imagine slaves come to sense through any process that doesn't involve clubbing them into the dirt.

21:51:22 danielpbarron: !up julmac

21:52:03 cazalla: trinque: where key is your gpg public key <<< for some reason i thought i read bot imported pub key from wot, my bad

21:53:20 mircea_popescu: better this way, the less the sks servers are involved the better.

21:53:31 cazalla: deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt

21:53:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MswsAl )

21:54:31 cazalla: deedbot- add-key dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt

21:55:36 cazalla: so do i include the : ? deedbot- pm'd me with "Bad URL or network outage"

21:55:48 cazalla: ah dw, imported

21:57:34 trinque: !up deedbot-

21:57:56 trinque: deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt

21:57:57 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EALBk0 )

21:58:00 cazalla: trinque, forgot about upping the thing, i'm hung over :)

21:58:08 trinque: nbd, maybe it's misbehaving?

21:58:46 cazalla: i'll just stick to pm'ing it so that i can throw a bunch of commands until i get what it is i need and no-one here will be the wiser

21:58:59 deedbot-: imported: FD9FB3F73B5AE8499A02F0C521B9818A468F4AD0

22:00:36 trinque: looks like just being slow

22:02:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51650 @ 0.00033707 = 17.4097 BTC [-]

22:08:08 trinque: cazalla: yeah it's running butt slow

22:08:24 trinque: I'll look into that, meanwhile let me know if it ever eats your deed

22:14:34 trinque: it's strange, the load average on the box is 0.24

22:15:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00034396 = 8.3238 BTC [+]

22:25:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7142 @ 0.00034396 = 2.4566 BTC [+]

22:29:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00034396 = 5.8473 BTC [+]

22:32:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.00034829 = 27.8632 BTC [+] {4}

22:49:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00035089 = 1.965 BTC [+] {2}

22:53:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00035202 = 18.8683 BTC [+]

22:58:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00033707 = 3.91 BTC [-]

23:03:04 danielpbarron: fyi the "blue" pogo (the one that doesn't have sata port) is works just like the purple one would if installing to a SD card

23:03:27 danielpbarron: in that if you have instructions that work for the purple one, the will also work for the blue one

23:21:15 mircea_popescu: http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/03/08/kenyan-lawyer-sue-isreal-for-killing-jesus/

23:21:15 assbot: Kenyan Lawyer Sue Isreal For Killing Jesus | JEWSNEWS ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcNmBg )

23:21:16 mircea_popescu: dat site.

23:25:23 davout: bwhaha

23:25:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00034982 = 3.4807 BTC [+]

23:29:15 jurov: should have implied vatican, it incorporated roman laws, too

23:31:22 jurov: and eastern orhodox church even more so

23:36:39 mircea_popescu: implicated ?

23:38:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in ba http://www.clarin.com/sociedad/Urbanudismo-pasearon-desnudas-boedo-avril_x_0_1318668331.html

23:38:39 assbot: Pasearon completamente desnudas por pleno Boedo ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcPxVu )

23:39:26 jurov: yes, implecated :)

23:39:32 jurov: implicated

23:39:51 mircea_popescu: hehe

23:45:15 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#Press-list

23:45:16 assbot: The conference, third edition pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BsujTN )

23:46:24 BingoBoingo: ^ thestringpuller