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00:08:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127123 << probably a good place to hook that old http://fraudsters.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/ or specifically

00:08:00 assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 17:55:59; asciilifeform: that's the thing, the 'increasingly sees as pointless' was after things turned 'rational'

00:08:00 assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8EjCO )

00:08:00 mircea_popescu: This would also be why I don't think so very much of the libertards, and why I find myself so often in contradiction with people who view them as either powerful or in any sense a threat (usually both) : they aren't, either, nor could they really be, either, because the only tool they know actually works for them only a short distance of its run, and for us the entire length of that same run. The libertard's gambit is

00:08:00 mircea_popescu: essentially the position of the Catholic church, hoping that it may teach people to read and write in such a way that they'll actually continue to take the "Holy Scripture" seriously. Why would they ? They won't, they don't, it's just not how that works.

00:08:19 mircea_popescu: thatr's exactly what it is. the whole thing that made usg work makes us work. it'll make us great long after it buried it.

00:08:25 mircea_popescu: exactly the us-su dynamic.

00:08:52 mircea_popescu: sheeeit i should have linked http://fraudsters.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.386 instead. gotta learn to use this great tool now!

00:08:53 assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8EopW )

00:18:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126650 @ 0.00026541 = 33.6142 BTC [+] {3}

00:57:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00025548 = 4.3176 BTC [-]

01:10:07 mircea_popescu: williamdunne yo scoop's dead.

01:13:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 195730 @ 0.00025533 = 49.9757 BTC [-] {2}

01:19:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101000 @ 0.00025397 = 25.651 BTC [-] {3}

01:24:12 scoopbot_revived: I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. http://fraudsters.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/

01:26:29 ben_vulpes: "people are no longer motivated by appeals to broader, more abstract values, that what motivates them are more narrow, survival-oriented approaches" << http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/resilience-is-the-new-black.html subconsciously, everyone knows what's coming

01:26:30 assbot: Resilience is The New Black | naked capitalism ... ( http://bit.ly/1bITabO )

01:38:08 decimation: re: uranium < http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_163.shtml < this guy says there are 4.5 bil tons of U in the oceans (4E12 kg)

01:38:08 assbot: Ch 24 Page 163: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1bIUgEq )

01:39:44 decimation: so your estimate might be off by about 1000 if you include that. Also presumably most of the 'heavy hitter' bombs would use heavy water fusion secondaries

01:42:30 decimation: or lithium deuteride rather

01:47:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55500 @ 0.00025551 = 14.1808 BTC [+]

01:58:47 ben_vulpes: !up copumpkin

01:58:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65083 @ 0.00025173 = 16.3833 BTC [-] {3}

02:04:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142628 @ 0.00024686 = 35.2091 BTC [-] {6}

02:05:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56731 @ 0.00024326 = 13.8004 BTC [-]

02:06:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29316 @ 0.00024326 = 7.1314 BTC [-]

02:20:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10470 @ 0.00025551 = 2.6752 BTC [+]

02:21:20 williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks

02:21:41 williamdunne: Anyone want to ask him if he thinks we should implement X11ScryptDark++ too?

02:30:40 decimation: hell add on google protocol buffers too

02:32:57 williamdunne: Might as well port the DB to MongoDB while we're at it

02:39:41 mircea_popescu: !up livegnik

02:40:03 mircea_popescu: decimation yes, they are. gl taking it out.

02:40:09 mircea_popescu: in the same sense there's a shitton of gold.

02:40:46 livegnik: Thnx mircea_popescu . I'll be off in 30 minutes or so, and haven't been able to get sirius in here yet. Both pretty busy atm, but sure he'll join us some other time.

02:40:53 mircea_popescu: williamdunne because clearly 1 minute blocks are so helpful to ltc it already tookover.

02:41:46 mircea_popescu: wtf is with these idiots. don't they realise just how obvious their agenda becomes from all the failures ? "we gotta fuck up bitcoin. o, i know, let's make the blocks larger. wait, mp said no. i know, make the timing shorter. one way or another, must destroy the decentralisation!!11"

02:41:56 mircea_popescu: livegnik np.

02:42:05 mircea_popescu: #b-a is eternal.

02:42:14 livegnik: :)

02:42:47 williamdunne: Na thats 2.5 minute blocks, so this is like 2.5 litecoins. And there are double as many litecoins as there are bitcoins so this idea is worth what, 105,000,000 bitcoins?

02:42:59 livegnik: Anything else I might be able to explain about Identifi? I remember that there were some more questions last time after I left.

02:43:11 mircea_popescu: at least.

02:43:23 williamdunne: I think I've been hearing about identifi recently, let me check I'm on about the right thing one sec

02:43:29 livegnik: Sure thing.

02:44:22 livegnik: http://identifi.org is our not-up-to-date website. The proto-type of what a front end *could* look like can be found on http://identi.fi/. The proto-type of the back-end can be found here: https://github.com/identifi/identifi

02:44:23 assbot: Identifi - Address book with ratings ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGr2ay )

02:44:24 assbot: Identifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGr2aP )

02:44:25 assbot: identifi/identifi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGr2rj )

02:44:25 williamdunne: Ah okay, not what I was hearing about. Still interested tho so give me a sec to read-up again on it

02:44:31 livegnik: Sure thing.

02:44:35 mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, the important point in all of that is the natural insolation on ground is to the degree of 20 MJ/day.

02:45:10 livegnik: williamdunne: Here's a human readable (very summarized) version of what it does: http://unbit.nl/2014/09/16/martti-malmi-on-bitcoin-and-identifi/

02:45:11 assbot: Unbit.nl - Martti Malmi on Bitcoin & Identifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGraH8 )

02:45:56 livegnik: We don't have a whitepaper yet. Working on it though. It would be much easier to grasp the concept with some details on the data format, database design, network topology, etc.

02:46:33 williamdunne: WhitePapers are overrated

02:46:45 williamdunne: Can I have a link to your profile, I wanna see the rating system?

02:47:02 mircea_popescu: livegnik you'd be much better served getting in the wot than writing white papers. experimentally, nobody reads thoise.

02:47:06 mircea_popescu: especially if they're a pdf.

02:48:39 williamdunne: livegnik: Looks ok I guess, rating system and account system seems pretty 'tarded atm

02:48:41 livegnik: williamdunne: Sure. Just don't stare at the front-end too much, it's only to give you an idea. The real magic happens on the back-end; the daemon.

02:48:42 livegnik: http://identi.fi/id/url/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Ftimoowpie

02:48:44 assbot: Identifi - Tim Pastoor ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJ1F6K )

02:49:15 williamdunne: Take it back

02:49:19 livegnik: mircea_popescu: I agree. I'm no academic nor coder, so I'm not even gonna give it a shot.

02:49:24 williamdunne: It isn't so tarded, just the search function

02:49:36 livegnik: Yeah, it's an early alpha.

02:49:46 livegnik: It's nothing special, if you'd ask me.

02:50:06 williamdunne: The self-rate things are a bit odd

02:50:19 livegnik: You can do RPC calls on the back-end, basically how you can do it with bitcoind

02:50:39 williamdunne: i.e IS_OVER_18 YES url https://www.facebook.com/timoowpie

02:50:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJ1N6h )

02:50:51 williamdunne: IS_OVER_18 YES url https://www.facebook.com/timoowpie

02:50:52 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGsb27 )

02:50:59 williamdunne: IS_NL_RESIDENT YES url https://www.facebook.com/timoowpie

02:50:59 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGseuP )

02:51:07 livegnik: The self-rate thing is verifying identifiers (which are called "connections" there). By verifying an identifier you add said identity + that identifier to your WoT.

02:51:23 livegnik: That's just an example.

02:51:50 livegnik: I could add an identifier like that and get a verifaction from my bank and/or social network that way.

02:51:59 williamdunne: Mmm adding them as rates seems awkward, should be separate. Also gives a false sense of security

02:52:09 livegnik: They're not the rates.

02:52:25 livegnik: Identifiers are what construct the identity. The ratings are apart from that.

02:52:35 williamdunne: Shows up on the received part either way

02:53:00 livegnik: You can only up/down-vote the identifiers themselves. Next, you can say anything about them under ratings.

02:53:07 livegnik: So there's the ID part and the reputation part.

02:54:55 mircea_popescu: the entire thing would drastically benefit from getting the people involved here. it has fundamental problems which are apparently difficult to grasp. whatever they may think they're doing with their time that's a better use, isn't.

02:55:38 williamdunne: Feels a bit awkward. I like the idea but it feels like crap

02:56:12 livegnik: I like the analogy of an electronic Rolodex. It's dissimilar to the extent that it wasn't shared as easily among all trusted parties.

02:56:12 livegnik: The system doesn't only consist of the identities within the digital Rolodex, but also of all the claims that have been made about them,

02:56:12 livegnik: by any other (1st to infinite degree) party at any time. This information should at least make it much easier for any party to decide for themselves what is best for them.

02:57:01 livegnik: williamdunne: that's why I said not to stare at identi.fi too much, it's basically meant for demo-purposes, to explain the back-end.

02:58:21 livegnik: mircea_popescu: Not sure what you're trying to point there for sure, but one of the reasons I've joined this channel is because there are probably a few people who have thought extensively about this topic.

02:59:06 mircea_popescu: "I agree. I'm no academic nor coder" << basically, you're trying to sell something. the problem is that the thing you're trying to sell has problems. send the engineers that made it instead.

02:59:41 livegnik: As long as it doesn't go in-depth concerning the technicals, a good salesman should at least be able to discuss the concept, right?

03:00:27 decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah, apparently 'our' knowledge of uranium reserves are quite limited. people haven't been trying to mine uranium for thousands of years (like gold)

03:00:28 mircea_popescu: depends with whom.

03:00:44 livegnik: If something goes in-depth too far for me, I'll definitely let you know to get in touch with sirius about it.

03:01:57 livegnik: You can join #identifi to get in touch with sirius directly.

03:03:41 livegnik: So, as a salesman, I might sell it as supernode Rollodex, relaying information among trusted parties.

03:04:03 mircea_popescu: !gettrust sirius

03:04:03 assbot: sirius is not registered in WoT.

03:04:07 livegnik: I prefer evangelist though. I'm way too stoked about our product to be a regular salesguy.

03:04:07 *: mircea_popescu shrugs.

03:05:25 decimation: mircea_popescu: incidentally, uranium fission is the only non-mass-polluting technology that can deliver first world level energy to the entire population for a thousand years

03:05:49 mircea_popescu: it is pretty polluting.

03:05:50 decimation: every nuclear bomb made represents a massive waste of potential energy production

03:06:03 decimation: how? heavy metals in a water bath?

03:06:17 mircea_popescu: not really, unless it's actually fired, the stuff can be reclaimed (and has, on a grand scale - that's what START is really all about)

03:06:36 mircea_popescu: decimation most of them use the thin walled sphere with boron chain fillings. they can be safely dismantled.

03:06:50 decimation: well, sure but it would have been more efficient to use it at lower enrichment levels in the first place

03:07:01 mircea_popescu: eh, waste is what life's all about.

03:08:43 decimation: "At 25 ml per

03:08:43 decimation: year, a lifetime?s worth of high-level nuclear waste would amount to less

03:08:46 decimation: than 2 litres. Even when we multiply by 60 million people, the lifetime vol-

03:08:49 decimation: ume of nuclear waste doesn?t sound unmanageable: 105 000 cubic metres.

03:08:52 decimation: That?s the same volume as 35 olympic swimming pools. "

03:08:57 decimation: shit my new irc client doesn't rate limit my pastes :(

03:09:03 decimation: http://www.withouthotair.com/c24/page_170.shtml

03:09:03 assbot: Ch 24 Page 170: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGviHl )

03:09:32 mircea_popescu: 60 mn ? what's wrong with 60bn ?

03:09:54 mircea_popescu: and yes, a cubic kilometer of very poisonous stuff sounds pretty unmanageable./

03:09:59 decimation: well, he was writing about the uk

03:11:20 decimation: "Compare this 25 ml per year per person of high-level nuclear waste with the other traditional forms of waste we currently dump: municipal waste 517 kg per year per person; hazardous waste 83 kg per year per year"

03:11:41 mircea_popescu: "hazardous waste" is old monitors.

03:11:59 bitstein: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 << the link to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35hpkt/please_remind_me_once_again_why_we_cant_decrease/cr4wk0g

03:11:59 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks

03:12:00 assbot: gavinandresen comments on Please remind me once again why we can't decrease the time interval between blocks instead of increasing their size ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGvUww )

03:12:00 mircea_popescu: the only way it'll kill you is by falling on your head.

03:12:52 mircea_popescu: there's a very simple way to decrease interval between blocks : gavin can just go buy some miners and stfu.

03:13:07 mircea_popescu: if the need is there, the fix is obvious. pay more per btc, so miners get more mining done, so more txn get in per day.

03:13:29 mircea_popescu: if the need isn't there... i guess go derp on reddit about things of great interest and matters of great import.

03:18:45 mod6: here's today's update on v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/1TX25HH.txt

03:18:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGxcrj )

03:20:04 decimation: the alternative to nuclear fission is to emit radiation via coal burning

03:24:44 mircea_popescu: how does that work ?

03:24:52 mircea_popescu: lead, mercury etc are the problem, not radiation

03:25:46 decimation: "Uranium and thorium have concentrations of roughly 1 ppm and

03:25:47 decimation: 2 ppm respectively in coal."

03:26:14 decimation: plus I like to eat bluefin tuna, and coal emissions are ruining it

03:26:32 mircea_popescu: eh, welfare is ruining it.

03:26:42 decimation: http://www.epa.gov/radiation/tenorm/coalandcoalash.html

03:26:43 assbot: Coal Ash | Radiation Protection | US EPA ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGyNgO )

03:26:48 mircea_popescu: if the peons didn't have the printing folk to give them free money, they wouldn't afford bluefin tuna.

03:27:27 decimation: well, that's no reason to piss mercury into the ocean

03:30:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00024942 = 10.6876 BTC [-]

03:30:27 mircea_popescu: looky, mercury is heavy. it'll go to the bottom.

03:31:03 mircea_popescu: this happens naturally as well. it's what it does.

03:33:07 decimation: so to be clear, it's your position that it's better w.r.t. to "pollution" for electricity to come from coal vice nuclear fission?

03:35:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00024326 = 5.8869 BTC [-]

03:35:41 mircea_popescu: better requires some criteria.

03:36:35 decimation: well, my favorite criteria are "pollution sits in a pool" rather than "pollution is spammed over planet's surface"

03:40:53 mircea_popescu: i suspect coal is much clenaner then.

03:41:02 mircea_popescu: take a look at fukishima to understand this problem.

03:41:47 decimation: uranium is heavy; it'll go to the bottom.

03:41:53 mircea_popescu: also, consider that a comparison of new nuclear with old coal is pretty stupid. you're not advertising deployument of 1970s soviet nuclear plants. consequently, you don't get to compare to 1950s coal plants.

03:42:02 mircea_popescu: the modern liquefied coal stuff is actually pretty clean

03:43:40 mircea_popescu: in unrelated tinfoil hat fodder : i dunno if anyone remembers the one time world came closest to nuclear war (1983), or the fate of kal-007. the thing is tho, the russians at the time claimed the bad flightpath was deliberate provocation, and that the cia had warned nixon not to go with that flight.

03:44:16 mircea_popescu: this seemed pretty ridiculous at the time, and perhaps it is. or perhaps it's part of a playbook, and the same strategy was later used to try and "turn public opinion" in the ukraine.

03:47:31 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127561 << didn't work, and I was able to re-create my own not-working selection -> http://fraudsters.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.22

03:47:31 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 00:08:52; mircea_popescu: sheeeit i should have linked http://fraudsters.com/2015/why-representative-democracy-doesnt-work-and-doesnt-make-sense/#selection-151.0-157.386 instead. gotta learn to use this great tool now!

03:47:32 assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGCbIz )

03:48:59 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron how did it not work ?

03:49:27 danielpbarron: doesn't jump down to that part of the page and doesn't select the text

03:49:32 danielpbarron: it works for you?

03:49:39 mircea_popescu: yup, just tried.

03:49:41 danielpbarron: i can produce other urls that do work

03:49:44 mircea_popescu: and no js errors pop up.

03:50:03 danielpbarron: browser bug on my end then i guess

03:51:26 danielpbarron: 151.0 makes it start the selection at the "xii" footnote link

04:06:17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kal-007 << 100% sop today, ua being example, yes

04:06:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere

04:06:36 asciilifeform: it even has english name - 'meaconing'

04:14:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80289 @ 0.00024318 = 19.5247 BTC [-] {2}

04:14:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2015/i-think-you-drastically-overestimate-the-military-importance-of-nuclear-weapons/#comment-114105

04:14:58 assbot: I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGIr39 )

04:25:20 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127543 << we did the tile here, iirc. my argument that they will never repay the cost of their manufacture seems ever closer to utter certainty

04:25:20 assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.

04:25:36 asciilifeform: one can debate the solar panels - but this seems like a hands-down defeat.

04:26:14 asciilifeform: esp. if they were to become at all common and shoot the difficulty into outer space

04:26:44 asciilifeform: (solar panels, in contrast, at least do not suffer from the problem of becoming proportionately more useless with each one made)

04:31:17 asciilifeform: re: nuke thread: decimation has it. nobody (save possibly pakistan) fields pure fission warheads today. not even for the tiny 'dial-a-yield' things fashionable in usa & ru. too 'dirty' and not considerably cheaper than 2-stage affair

04:33:34 decimation: yeah some deuterium spices up the party

04:33:50 asciilifeform: tritium

04:33:59 asciilifeform: (depending on your cycle, sure)

04:36:04 decimation: at any rate, as I wrote later, it seems that the actual amount of U in the ground isn't really fully known

04:36:07 asciilifeform: the interesting thing is, as i pointed out in link, 1) kinetics (how quickly energy is delivered) matter far more than thermodynamics (how much is delivered)

04:36:45 decimation: yeah, 8 mm of water vaporization would zing if delivered in a few microseconds

04:37:05 asciilifeform: 2) not only flesh but infrastructure - are fragile. 'tsar bomba' knocked out power lines for many km despite being tested far from civilization (emp by zipping charged particles through van allen belt, a well-understood effect.) picture just one of these over, e.g., new york

04:37:53 asciilifeform: put it this way, falling on ice onto one's arse delivers more kinetic energy than any bullet

04:38:00 asciilifeform: which one would you rather take

05:09:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00024504 = 14.1511 BTC [+]

05:24:15 mircea_popescu: !up rotarydialer

05:24:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no discussion about the difficulty going to outer space.

05:24:57 mircea_popescu: about as avoidable as farts.

05:30:37 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform answer't.

05:31:19 mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere << to my [dis]credit, i just came up wiuth it on my own. i guess i should read more.

05:51:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73800 @ 0.00025054 = 18.4899 BTC [+] {3}

05:52:11 mircea_popescu: and speaking of ukraine weird, am i the only one to think Ю́щенко's disappearing act from ukrainian politics is weird ? the guy was strong enough to be worth poisoning a decade ago, gets 1% in 2012 ?

05:53:23 mircea_popescu: not to mention the woman, w/e her name was

06:01:01 mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Medvedev%2C_Putin_and_Tymoshenko.jpg << check it out, someone really liked medveev.

06:01:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KWrj4m )

06:20:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50200 @ 0.00024787 = 12.4431 BTC [-]

06:58:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73700 @ 0.00025043 = 18.4567 BTC [+]

07:14:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00024707 = 19.4938 BTC [-] {2}

07:20:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00024555 = 11.148 BTC [-] {2}

07:37:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56100 @ 0.00024591 = 13.7956 BTC [+]

07:53:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20047 @ 0.00024346 = 4.8806 BTC [-] {2}

07:54:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18603 @ 0.00024266 = 4.5142 BTC [-]

08:05:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95600 @ 0.00024591 = 23.509 BTC [+]

08:12:41 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 <<< pretty sure that's bait so he can turn around and say see, people troll me regardless of what i say therefore my 20mb blocksize limit argument has merit

08:12:41 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks

08:12:41 scoopbot_revived: Views From A Shithole, or Periplus Through Stupidity http://fraudsters.com/2015/views-from-a-shithole-or-periplus-through-stupidity/

08:13:59 mircea_popescu: cazalla it'd work a lot better if anyone gave a shit what he says.

08:14:28 cazalla: and anyway, even if he made a good argument for an increase in the blocksize, his current proposition differs to the incremental increase he suggested only a few months back, can't respect a guy that secede his position so quickly regardless of merit

08:15:38 mircea_popescu: i think he went from salesman trying to impress & get a raise to salesman desperate to avoid the glengarry prize for third place.

08:16:04 cazalla: heh

08:17:21 mircea_popescu: in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c2JWOCHEDM

08:17:22 assbot: FOAR GURLS FRUM BOXXY - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ4ixT )

08:18:21 davout: cazalla: i can't help to think that if the guy's really compromised than he probably feels pretty good about the way his proposals are going

08:18:53 mircea_popescu: o yea ?

08:19:46 davout: i mean, if he's compromised and is actually against raising the limit, he has to be happy about it not going too well, right

08:19:47 mircea_popescu: you're not about to introduce your own rendition of the meta-nsa theme are you.

08:19:56 mircea_popescu: o boy.

08:20:01 cazalla: mircea_popescu, linking new boxxy is like 20mb block size limit whereas old boxxy.. pre-famous boxxy are 1mb sizes, l2p

08:20:02 mircea_popescu: right, clearly.

08:20:28 davout: is that so stupid? not sure if sarcasm

08:20:41 mircea_popescu: cazalla honestly i like the new boxxy much better. shit she's saying is of course a lot dumber than before, but at least now it's banal too. easier to ignore.

08:20:52 mircea_popescu: davout it's not stupid per se. it's boundless.

08:21:17 mircea_popescu: you know, maybe the shrimp i had earlier and am now digesting REALLY MEANT to be eaten. it was its plan all along. i fell into its well laid out trap!

08:21:18 mircea_popescu: sure...

08:21:34 davout: who's to know

08:21:36 cazalla: mircea_popescu, but the new ones reak of how can i leverage my succesful random videos with new, non-random random videos with adsense

08:21:50 mircea_popescu: davout more importantly, who's to care.

08:22:02 mircea_popescu: maybe hitler's plan was to lose the war, kill himself, and have his idiocy remade by the winners.

08:22:09 mircea_popescu: if it was, he totally won that bet.

08:22:17 mircea_popescu: cazalla yep.

08:22:59 cazalla: i'd even wager her come back video has some ad agency or fucking youtube studio involved

08:23:09 cazalla: had even

08:23:16 davout: yea no argument here

08:23:52 mircea_popescu: in other words : the space of possibilities is necessarily and by definition very vast and entirely open. this however does not make it automatically also interesting.

08:24:23 mircea_popescu: "why did you hit this man in the head ?" "i thought maybe it'd do him good" "why ?" "dunno" judge thinks it through "alright, case dismissed. maybe it does do him good."

08:24:37 cazalla: davout, i think he is more likely to be trolling than a canary as you said on /r/bitcoin.. the guy has had his childish tantrums on bitcointalk before in 40pt font

08:24:56 mircea_popescu: hard to bead diablo-d3 at that.

08:25:29 mircea_popescu: anyone else remember his "THE BITCOIN COMMUNITY ~must~ give me 1mn BTC to do stuff I came up with because that's the only way IT'll matter!11", or am i the only one ?

08:26:12 mircea_popescu: then people lol'd and he went apeshit.

08:26:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87933 @ 0.00024266 = 21.3378 BTC [-]

08:30:28 mircea_popescu: i guess it's only me. a well, was lulzy.

08:33:44 davout: mircea_popescu: lol when was that?

08:33:52 mircea_popescu: 2012ish

08:33:56 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/6aa41bb8b99299d0804958b220fcda59/tumblr_mx2l06UT1k1rkrrhko3_500.gif

08:33:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5b9A )

08:34:05 davout: cute!

08:35:06 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg861656#msg861656

08:35:07 assbot: Diablo Mining Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5cud )

08:36:31 mircea_popescu: and yeah she;s a total cutie. http://sexslaveemporium.tumblr.com/post/74400459676

08:36:32 assbot: Shadow Centurion's Sex Slave Emporium ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5gKv )

08:38:11 davout: mircea_popescu: ah, i misread, thought the 1mn thing was about gavin

08:39:43 cazalla: cutie? i see no face in that gif, could be butter for all i know

08:41:47 mircea_popescu: butter ?!

08:42:14 cazalla: u know, butterface, all those gifs and no face, odds are good you'll be paperbagging that cutue

08:42:58 mircea_popescu: ;;ud butterface

08:42:59 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=butter+face | n. A girl who is hot, except for her (but her, butter) face.

08:43:05 mircea_popescu: o.O

08:43:11 mircea_popescu: the shit i learn hanging out here.

08:43:25 cazalla: mebe it's aussie slang, i unno

08:43:42 mircea_popescu: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/636787/

08:43:43 assbot: Butterface Girls - Gallery ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5CAT )

08:44:09 mircea_popescu: i had noticed before how extremely rare it is for a great ass to find itself on a pretty face.

08:44:15 mircea_popescu: but tits, i think, more commonly.

08:46:13 cazalla: which do you prefer, great ass or tits

08:46:45 davout: cazalla: which do you prefer? bumping blocks to 20mb, or shrinking them to 100kb?

08:46:48 davout: :D

08:47:26 cazalla: davout, well my missus has one of thise 20mb fat asses

08:47:59 cazalla: (not that i really give a shit these days)

08:48:07 davout: heh

08:48:26 cazalla: and to think how bad i was jonesing to hit that lol

08:52:01 davout: ;;ud jonesing

08:52:02 gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jonesing | Sheeeit beeeitch after smokin' dat weed I'm jonesing for some grub! Shaniqua is mad jonesing for Rasheed, dat bitch follow him around everywhere. by Nick D ...

08:52:15 davout: lol

08:56:12 cazalla: https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1411/84/1411847912290.jpg while browsing, not related to my bitching of the missus

08:56:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJBa0O )

08:56:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75123 @ 0.00024999 = 18.78 BTC [+] {2}

08:56:48 punkman: http://fraudsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/periplus-1.jpg < http://i1.mdzol.com/files/image/594/594580/5544b8e4af5f8_565_319!.jpg

08:56:48 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJBaOq )

08:56:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1bJBb4S )

08:57:02 punkman: Obaca, my sides

08:57:28 davout: cazalla: topkek

09:02:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17316 @ 0.00025039 = 4.3358 BTC [+]

09:06:33 mircea_popescu: 4plebs lol

09:06:45 mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, great ass. tits easier to fix.

09:07:52 mircea_popescu: is that jpg proposing the derpy chicks above are somehow dangerous ?

09:07:57 mircea_popescu: to what, fudge ?

09:11:13 cazalla: i guess more so danger, they have issues but whatever i liked it so whatevers i link what i want

09:11:49 mircea_popescu: lol

09:11:57 cazalla: drinking some cheap shitty cherry brandy amyways

09:12:11 mircea_popescu: you know you could distil your own rabbits!

09:12:20 mircea_popescu: i wonder what rabbitrandy tastes like

09:12:49 cazalla: don't have em, not for a while, fucked em off given the situation here

09:13:21 mircea_popescu: oh ?

09:14:44 cazalla: meh what can i say, made my own bed

09:38:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00024471 = 22.7825 BTC [-]

09:46:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59358 @ 0.00024471 = 14.5255 BTC [-]

10:31:05 mats: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/nsa-skynet-intercept-15-0507.pdf

10:52:56 mircea_popescu: this one's for BingoBoingo : http://firstdown.ro/stiri/diverse/bucharest-warriors-inving-categoric-mures-monsters/

10:52:57 assbot: Bucharest Warriors înving categoric Mureș Monsters | First Down | Fotbal american în România ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvQbL4 )

10:53:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48348 @ 0.00024471 = 11.8312 BTC [-]

10:57:47 mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34zini/some_say_gavin_can_kill_1000_trolls_in_a_single/ << check out the post-structuralist world. idiots on either side of an imaginary divide discover that well... they're really just idiots, the divide was imaginary, stuff like that.

10:57:49 assbot: Some say Gavin can kill 1000 trolls in a single swing : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVys4b )

11:10:50 cazalla: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3073349/Is-world-s-longest-tongue-18-year-old-lick-nose-chin-EYE.html imagine that on ya balls

11:10:52 assbot: World's longest tongue can lick Adrianne Lewis' nose, chin and EYE | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVzrkX )

11:14:31 mircea_popescu: easier with two girls

11:16:08 cazalla: i dunno, sorta like micropenis guy claiming 4-5 of his would be just as good if not better than a 10" eh? :P

11:18:57 mircea_popescu: lol

11:21:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83522 @ 0.00024216 = 20.2257 BTC [-] {6}

11:30:15 cazalla: horry shit, people actually kill themselves over ransomware http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11363099/Autistic-boy-hanged-himself-after-receiving-bogus-police-email.html

11:30:18 assbot: Autistic boy hanged himself after receiving bogus 'police' email - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9qGmZ )

11:38:05 scoopbot_revived: The Chicken Brothers Cook Up Some Ransomware http://qntra.net/2015/05/the-chicken-brothers-cook-up-some-ransomware/

11:43:06 cazalla: i could really go for some of that chicken right now

11:48:49 cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/35fftw/satoshi_dressup_impersonator_gavin_andresen_has/

11:48:50 assbot: Satoshi dress-up impersonator Gavin Andresen, has given up promoting larger block sizes. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9s6h6 )

11:50:26 mircea_popescu: aww

11:50:44 mircea_popescu: "Most news sites you see on the internet are just one guy writing under multiple names. Writers are expensive. This wouldn't be the first site that does that nor would it even be unusual.

11:51:07 mircea_popescu: pround member of the "things the voices in my head tell me are real" internet liberation party

11:55:26 davout: cazalla: "but at this time that inbox is empty" <<< can you read it?

11:56:45 cazalla: davout, mailinator is one of those disposable email services that anyone can check if you give out the username

11:57:24 davout: ic, and the username is the email username i take

11:57:35 davout: weird they'd pick that

11:58:00 cazalla: yup, so if you don't want to have spam sent to your inbox or want an address that is shared, it's useful for that

11:58:26 davout: jon matonis on the qntra itbit piece "Market-based legitimacy will always trump any flavor of institutional or political legitimacy. Bitcoin outlives political institutions."

11:58:47 davout: quite ironic he'd speak about "institutional legitimacy"

12:02:58 cazalla: davout, dunno what to make of it, he retweets a lot of qntra stuff despite his bitcoin foundation history

12:03:59 cazalla: to borrow a line.. in other news, 75% of these women on MFC are fucking useless camwhores

12:04:14 cazalla: if i was a chick, i'd be top 5 mfc easy

12:07:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35210 @ 0.00024121 = 8.493 BTC [-]

12:12:08 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35jnw9/is_bitcoin_vulnerable_to_a_financial_attack_like/

12:12:09 assbot: Is bitcoin vulnerable to a "financial attack" like the one the gold market suffered? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tL6h )

12:12:24 cazalla: https://grrrgraphics.wordpress.com/2015/05/08/cuck-a-duck-by-ben-garrison/ lulz ben garrison strikes back against moot even though moot didn't face his drawings but anyway

12:12:25 assbot: Cuck a Duck by Ben Garrison | GrrrGraphics ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tK2i )

12:12:25 mircea_popescu: [?]Future_Prophecy 0 points 7 hours ago

12:12:25 mircea_popescu: Read this: http://fraudsters.com/2014/lets-pretend/

12:12:26 assbot: Let's pretend... on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tK2o )

12:12:26 mircea_popescu: permalink

12:12:26 mircea_popescu: [?]bitcoinquestions001 0 points 7 hours ago

12:12:26 mircea_popescu: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this.

12:12:26 mircea_popescu: derp.

12:13:17 cazalla: the /r/bitcoin mods fkn banned me the cunts :\

12:13:38 cazalla: you can call people niggers but don't tell people to kill themselves

12:15:24 mircea_popescu: maybe they didn't like teh qntra.

12:15:32 cazalla: nah, wasn't that

12:15:44 cazalla: i rarely submit qntra there anyway

12:16:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59600 @ 0.00024505 = 14.605 BTC [+]

12:16:50 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/#comment-114111 << check it out, BingoBoingo s filipino dreamgirl. https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/428549020479279105/L7WQO3J2.jpeg

12:16:51 assbot: I'll pay for your tits on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwprQb )

12:16:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwppYL )

12:17:00 cazalla: specifically http://i.imgur.com/5Xkhidy.png

12:17:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwpqfl )

12:17:47 cazalla: https://twitter.com/cutiemerz27 for bb

12:17:49 assbot: merzy caballero (@cutiemerz27) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwpyvd )

12:18:12 mircea_popescu: cazalla lol why so hostile anyway

12:18:26 cazalla: was prob drunk

12:18:51 mircea_popescu: lol and you found out a week later ?

12:19:18 cazalla: no no, just mentioning it now

12:19:40 cazalla: not exactly news or bragworthy, like the 5th time i've been banned from /r/bitcoin

12:19:58 cazalla: just had a bit more time sunk into this account

12:21:52 cazalla: bit of a disgrace considering bruce fenton of the bitcoin foundation has change tipped fedora'd me a couple times

12:32:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58865 @ 0.00024625 = 14.4955 BTC [+]

13:40:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64889 @ 0.00025042 = 16.2495 BTC [+] {2}

13:59:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00025043 = 1.5902 BTC [+]

14:01:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24162 @ 0.00024571 = 5.9368 BTC [-] {2}

14:02:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21588 @ 0.00024702 = 5.3327 BTC [+] {2}

14:54:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57400 @ 0.00025103 = 14.4091 BTC [+] {3}

15:08:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38466 @ 0.00025518 = 9.8158 BTC [+]

15:28:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89303 @ 0.00025638 = 22.8955 BTC [+] {4}

15:29:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55097 @ 0.00026231 = 14.4525 BTC [+] {2}

15:37:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59800 @ 0.0002505 = 14.9799 BTC [-] {2}

15:40:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77600 @ 0.00024143 = 18.735 BTC [-] {3}

15:47:28 jurov: https://jonasnick.github.io/blog/2015/05/09/fuzzing-bitcoin-consensus/

15:47:29 assbot: Fuzzing Bitcoin Consensus - nickler's ... ( http://bit.ly/1PC7ss8 )

16:00:00 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35lebr/announcing_pgp_support_on_bitmex/ << PGP support announced for an exchange. The plot thickens?

16:03:32 ben_vulpes: http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-smartphone-market-slows-down-1431296873 << modern manufacturing can crank out so many units as to completely overwhelm demand. this, i believe, is what's actually driving apple into the 'watch market', such as it is

16:03:34 assbot: China’s Smartphone Market Slows Down - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1PC9UyS )

16:06:41 thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."

16:17:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17713 @ 0.00025531 = 4.5223 BTC [+] {2}

16:24:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.00024021 = 6.6058 BTC [-] {2}

16:26:46 williamdunne: thestringpuller: Not the first exchange to add PGP support

16:26:55 williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch

16:27:06 williamdunne: IIRC Kraken does signing but not encryption

16:27:22 williamdunne: Would be tragic for the NSA to lose out on that valuable data

16:27:43 thestringpuller: MPEx was the first exchange to have GPG support...

16:28:11 BingoBoingo: this one's for BingoBoingo : http://firstdown.ro/stiri/diverse/bucharest-warriors-inving-categoric-mures-monsters/ << That's quite the one sided game. The write up of the handegg game as though it is a soccer game is an interesting cultural artifact. Also that quarterback with all the touchdown passes seems to have an awfully generic name...

16:28:13 assbot: Bucharest Warriors înving categoric Mureș Monsters | First Down | Fotbal american în România ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT5rWB )

16:30:09 williamdunne: thestringpuller: I know, although its not really used much by the people in question

16:30:34 williamdunne: thestringpuller: It also has the most thorough implementation

16:37:06 danielpbarron: !up bitcoinquestions

16:39:56 bitcoinquestions: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?

16:40:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00026534 = 15.9204 BTC [+] {2}

16:41:13 danielpbarron: bitcoinquestions, to which link are you referring?

16:41:32 bitcoinquestions: http://fraudsters.com/2014/lets-pretend/

16:41:33 assbot: Let's pretend... on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT7RV7 )

16:41:56 bitcoinquestions: in response to http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35jnw9/is_bitcoin_vulnerable_to_a_financial_attack_like/

16:41:57 assbot: Is bitcoin vulnerable to a "financial attack" like the one the gold market suffered? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT7XMm )

16:49:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52203 @ 0.00026561 = 13.8656 BTC [+] {2}

16:51:53 danielpbarron: "But what if one of these government backed exchanges start working with a huge leverage using fiat as its backing and not bitcoins?" << start? isn't that the SOP?

16:56:47 pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!

16:56:48 assbot: All-Russian 'Elbrus' PCs and servers go on sale • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KB6Txg )

16:57:00 pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus 4c used in the PCs and servers is said to support two instruction sets: very long instruction word and SPARC."

16:57:18 pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus ARM-401 PC is a minitower packing a version of Linux also called Elbrus and boasts four USB 2.0 ports, a PCI-express slot, gigabit ethernet and not much more."

16:57:24 pete_dushenski: "The CPU is otherwise unremarkable: it packs four cores, but they stroll along at 800 MHz and are built using a 65 nm process."

16:57:35 pete_dushenski: "The Server Elbrus 4.4 is a four-socket affair and four of the machines fit into a 1U chassis. Gigabit ethernet, SATA and plenty of PCI slots connect it to other kit and the rest of the worlds."

16:57:48 pete_dushenski: !s elbrus

16:57:49 assbot: 13 results for 'elbrus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=elbrus

16:58:26 williamdunne: thestringpuller: PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS). Signing and encrypting with PGP is a nice way to bypass using authorization tokens, though, but it is not usable in a modern exchange interface. Trades on MPEx are very slow as a result.

16:58:26 williamdunne: MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.

16:58:32 williamdunne: You got your response

17:01:00 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell danielpbarron cheers!

17:01:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:01:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47634 @ 0.00026688 = 12.7126 BTC [+] {2}

17:02:22 danielpbarron: mainstream acceptance is not desirable

17:02:37 danielpbarron: such a thing may be what caused the great depression

17:02:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15716 @ 0.00026768 = 4.2069 BTC [+]

17:02:54 danielpbarron: letting anybody with 2 cents to rub together trade on margin

17:03:29 danielpbarron: williamdunne, ^, ssl is a suitable alternative for GPG !?

17:03:44 williamdunne: Apparently so! I never knew!

17:03:57 danielpbarron: oh that was a copy paste?

17:03:58 williamdunne: > However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.

17:03:59 williamdunne: That assumes mainstream acceptance is the goal.

17:03:59 williamdunne: >PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS).

17:03:59 williamdunne: That depends on the function you are going for. SSL doesn't serve as a way to verify each party and obviously has some contentious things going on with cert authorities.

17:03:59 williamdunne: There are ways of doing similar things in a usable and optional fashion.

17:04:00 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i dun think williamdunne wrote that..

17:04:03 mike_c: you should put quotes around stupid crap like that

17:04:07 danielpbarron: lol sorry

17:04:26 williamdunne: Yeah, that was the CTO of BitMex

17:04:29 pete_dushenski: mike_c: good point.

17:05:51 pete_dushenski: williamdunne: you wanna invite him over ?

17:06:00 williamdunne: Yeah I'll do that

17:07:05 williamdunne: Invited

17:07:13 pete_dushenski: cool.

17:07:50 danielpbarron: !up ascii_field

17:08:36 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127958 !

17:08:36 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:56:47; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!

17:08:49 pete_dushenski: ... can it be ?

17:09:45 ascii_field: eh no distributor afaik

17:10:19 pete_dushenski: no factory direct ?

17:10:23 ascii_field: nope

17:10:27 ascii_field: just an email addr

17:10:30 ascii_field: 'inquiries'

17:10:36 pete_dushenski: what the hell are airplanes for ?

17:10:38 ascii_field: in other, more interesting news,

17:10:39 ascii_field: http://gfycat.com/FinishedScratchyFoxhound

17:10:40 assbot: all - Jiffier gifs through HTML5 Video Conversion. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTdDWP )

17:10:43 ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^^

17:10:48 ascii_field: mega-sport

17:11:51 williamdunne: They really do have some creative shows..

17:12:25 ascii_field: pretty clear from the www that they aren't selling onceies

17:12:53 williamdunne: 65 nm - thats BFL standards

17:13:43 pete_dushenski: hm. so groupbuy it is.

17:16:10 williamdunne: Are we gonna be able to get maybe 10k units between us?

17:16:19 williamdunne: Bitcoin-ISP growing faster than expected

17:16:42 ascii_field: williamdunne: if you exclude mircea_popescu, i doubt we can get 10,000 plastic forks between the lot of us

17:17:05 pete_dushenski: lolk

17:17:52 pete_dushenski: except excluding mp from this consideration is like excluding air from discussions of breathing.

17:18:16 pete_dushenski: to what end do you make this exclusion ?

17:18:59 ascii_field: to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly

17:19:29 ascii_field: but to go to original point, there is nothing magical about ru cpu (esp. a sparc clone, almost certainly built from 'opensparc')

17:19:46 pete_dushenski: 'groupbuy' implies nothing about proportions.

17:20:02 pete_dushenski: so it's 95-5

17:21:03 pete_dushenski: but yes, is this elbrus isn't sufficiently magical, then it makes as much sense as buying 10,000 apple watches

17:21:17 ascii_field: more like 10,000 'loongson's.

17:23:30 ascii_field: from spec sheet: 800MHz sparc-like; sata-2; 12 ddr3 ecc dimm slots; various standard i/o (e.g., pci-e, GbE;) and, most interestingly, built-in fpga for 2d interconnect into clusters by directly linking bus (202 G/s claimed.)

17:23:44 ascii_field: so far reminiscent of sgi 'origin'

17:24:24 pete_dushenski: 'there's nothing new under the sun'

17:24:44 ascii_field: beg to differ.

17:24:52 ascii_field: but 'nothing new sold retail' - sure

17:25:29 pete_dushenski: ok, so is similarity to 'origin' a positive step or a mark of failure ?

17:25:40 pete_dushenski: (for those of us who have nfi)

17:27:34 ascii_field: positive

17:27:51 ascii_field: one of the things glaringly missing from even the costliest x86 mb is a means for connecting them as tiles

17:27:55 ascii_field: at full bus speed

17:29:49 pete_dushenski: interesting.

17:32:33 ascii_field: http://www.overclockers.ua/news/hardware/2015-05-09/115773 << alleged price, 4k usd

17:32:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zThFyv )

17:33:01 ascii_field: though, pictured unit is a much more modest demo, it appears

17:33:13 ascii_field: rather than the quad cpu rack mount thing from earlier link

17:33:54 ascii_field: offered to 'russian incorporated entities only'

17:33:55 pete_dushenski: same as this : http://www.mcst.ru/arm-elbrus401

17:34:07 ascii_field: aha.

17:34:27 pete_dushenski: was in article as well.

17:34:44 pete_dushenski: it's surely doable to incorporate in russia

17:34:53 pete_dushenski: if the juice is worth the squeeze

17:35:07 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: iirc you gotta have a physical agent there.

17:35:40 ascii_field: (and do at least a convincing simulacrum of legit business)

17:36:20 pete_dushenski: ok so not exactly wrapped in an amazon box and shipped to your door

17:36:35 ascii_field: at any rate, for what it is - 4k usd is not an obscene bag of benjies; but i have doubts that you can get these 1) in onecies 2) for anywhere close to the manufacturer's retail cost

17:36:35 pete_dushenski: but hey, if this things are cool enough, they're not exactly 'unobtanium'

17:36:43 ascii_field: 3) any time soon.

17:37:02 pete_dushenski: *these things

17:37:06 ascii_field: first one here to grab one, please write in.

17:37:14 pete_dushenski: ascii_field: doubts shmouts

17:37:41 pete_dushenski: this seems like a worthy project

17:37:57 pete_dushenski: for all the bitching about usg chip diddling in this place

17:38:01 ascii_field: pete_dushenski: mebbe you can trade that astonmartin for an 'elbrus'

17:38:11 pete_dushenski: it's a mercedes !

17:38:15 ascii_field: ah

17:38:16 ascii_field: l0l

17:38:26 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

17:38:50 ascii_field: danke pete_dushenski

17:39:03 pete_dushenski: bitte :)

17:39:26 ascii_field: elbrus for many decades (yes) had reputation not entirely unlike 'butterfly labs' or what was it.

17:39:33 ascii_field: since soviet times, even

17:39:43 pete_dushenski: 'pay now, mebbe ship later'

17:39:47 ascii_field: aha

17:40:24 williamdunne: At least its marginally less important when the kit arrives in some circumstances than with bitcoin mining

17:40:30 pete_dushenski: typical crowdfund dealio apparently wasn't invented for crowdfunding. who knew.

17:40:44 pete_dushenski: is there nothing those crowdfundtards won't steal!

17:41:02 ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant

17:41:23 *: pete_dushenski is reminded of recent commenter who was all "crowdfund your bitcoin nodes if they're too expensive"

17:41:37 williamdunne: 3) With considerable performance losses

17:41:49 williamdunne: 4) At greater cost per computational unit

17:41:50 ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers

17:41:57 williamdunne: ^tm

17:42:12 williamdunne: 5) With far less support in terms of software you may need to run

17:42:32 ascii_field: williamdunne: lack of support for winblows is a feature, not bug

17:42:46 williamdunne: I never mentioned windows

17:43:02 ascii_field: (and there is claimed x86 dynamic translation, a la apple ppc. so it may yet turn out that most 'elbrus' will end up running winblowsxp...)

17:43:14 ascii_field: williamdunne: what did you have in mind ?

17:43:50 williamdunne: Admittedly it was a while ago, but I can remember getting most things to run on an RPI-like was an absolute bitch

17:44:37 ascii_field: williamdunne: rpi in particular was a miserably underpowered (nic shared usb line with drives) thing

17:45:03 ascii_field: or do you consider any box where you can't suck down prebuilt packages from the net, to be 'a bitch to run'

17:45:26 williamdunne: Mmm the second thing a bit. Prebuilt certainly makes mundane tasks that should be easy, easy

17:46:22 trinque: nothing that hard about cross compiling to arm

17:46:30 ascii_field: or compiling on arm

17:46:43 ascii_field: (the only reason we don't build bitcoind on pogo is the ram-poverty)

17:46:53 williamdunne: Nothing that hard, but often its ignored by developers

17:49:03 ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, if it won't compile on my box, for my box, it doesn't exist

17:54:31 mircea_popescu: you're not the only one.

17:56:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45836 @ 0.00025338 = 11.6139 BTC [-]

17:58:52 ascii_field: usg photol0l: http://cryptome.org/sugar-grove-bunker.jpg

17:59:01 *: jurov is curious for how many people will eulora exist then

17:59:40 jurov: there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure

17:59:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33332 @ 0.00025338 = 8.4457 BTC [-]

17:59:47 ascii_field: wat

18:00:07 jurov: yes. ask ben_vulpes or mod6

18:02:21 ascii_field: l0l, that thing has a www! http://www.nioc-sugargrove.navy.mil

18:02:22 assbot: Welcome to Navy Forces Online Public Sites ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTmXtR )

18:02:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73765 @ 0.00025332 = 18.6861 BTC [-] {2}

18:03:33 mod6: yeah, I don't remember having that problem before with CS... but maybe i'd forgotten?!

18:03:48 ascii_field: http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB23/09-03.htm << ran a classic 'echelon' node

18:03:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTngVk )

18:05:14 danielpbarron: !up ericmuys_

18:08:59 trinque: http://fraudsters.com/2015/views-from-a-shithole-or-periplus-through-stupidity/#selection-111.62-111.89 << ahaha, I'm saving that one for later.

18:09:00 assbot: Views From A Shithole, or Periplus Through Stupidity on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zToikq )

18:19:39 davout: !up ascii_field

18:20:45 davout: !up ascii_field

18:22:09 davout: williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit

18:23:52 mats: fun fact: you can use scrypt to attempt remote code integrity attestation on microprocessors.

18:24:33 jurov: what is "emote code integrity attestation"?

18:24:46 mats: (as long as you fill unused flash with high entropy NOPs that eventually jump to a fault handler, and do attestation via reset to a minimal bootloader that can use all memory)

18:27:18 jurov: mats: i still don't understand you

18:27:24 mircea_popescu: there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure << ahaha wut!

18:27:55 mircea_popescu: trinque isn't it great that now you can :D

18:28:12 trinque: yeah that selection script is sweet

18:28:30 mircea_popescu: :D

18:28:40 mircea_popescu: mats yep, part oif why the entire "attestation" bs is so lulzy.

18:28:43 davout: is it supposed to work on fraudsters? as in, i select arbitrary text and i'l given a URL reference?

18:28:52 mats: jurov: p much what it sounds like: generating a proof of certain properties re: integrity, e.g. configuration and state of hardware/sw stack

18:29:20 mats: jurov: usual approach is through hashing regions of memory for comparison

18:29:28 mircea_popescu: davout yup. requires js, but it's pretty solid. try itr.

18:29:40 davout: i tried, didn't werk

18:29:48 davout: hence confusion

18:29:54 mircea_popescu: well, what error does the console pop ?

18:30:45 davout: none

18:30:52 davout: maybe i need to flush cache

18:31:19 mircea_popescu: do you run js at all ?

18:31:30 davout: i use an apple computer

18:31:35 davout: that says it all

18:32:09 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat

18:32:09 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 18:24:33; jurov: what is "emote code integrity attestation"?

18:32:25 mircea_popescu: davout safari ? or what does it use for a browsder ?

18:32:28 davout: i must be misunderstanding something here, i tried in safari, ff, and chrome

18:32:42 mircea_popescu: ugh. so what happens if you follow trinque's link ?

18:32:42 ascii_field: essentially a byword for 'let's find a way to enforce ban on general-purpose computer'

18:33:05 davout: open an article randomly, select random bit of the article, nothing happens

18:33:18 davout: ooh

18:33:19 davout: i get it

18:33:24 davout: the URL changes

18:33:38 davout: i kindof expected a little pop-up like on the btc-dev mailing list

18:33:38 mircea_popescu: lol mkay. what did you expect, a bj ?

18:33:44 mircea_popescu: what am i, retarded ?

18:34:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00025572 = 9.6918 BTC [+] {2}

18:34:39 mats: fun fact: passive radar using 802.11 points and such is a thing.

18:34:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, if there are any javascript experts in the room, you, trinque, whoever : currently it pisses me off because if you click on page it scrolls you to top. any idea how to fix it so it ignores clicks ? just, never scroll as a result of a click.

18:34:49 scoopbot_revived: Liberland "President" Arrested http://qntra.net/2015/05/liberland-president-arrested/

18:35:18 ascii_field: mats: not only a thing, but effectively defeats famous 'stealth airplane'

18:35:42 mats: how so?

18:36:01 mircea_popescu: ascii_field wut, it connects to wireless ?

18:36:06 mircea_popescu: wifi raiding bomber ?

18:40:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127936 more like, "we'll make our own theatre here in akron, ohio. what schubert in new haven ? what square mile ? broadway ? nah dude. ohio teatre."

18:40:34 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:06:41; thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."

18:41:00 mircea_popescu: "those guys are the top just because they're priviledged, we can be just as good as them, even better. because we want to, that's why!"

18:41:23 jurov: stealth bomber does reflect microwaves

18:41:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00025925 = 13.2477 BTC [+] {2}

18:42:16 danielpbarron: !up soypirate

18:42:18 mats: fun fact: since OLPC machines use IEEE1275, they all have a Forth implementation baked into the firmware.

18:44:41 mircea_popescu: jurov it never flies that low does it ?

18:45:08 mircea_popescu: ascii_field https://jonasnick.github.io/blog/2015/05/09/fuzzing-bitcoin-consensus/ << you seen this ? fucking major.

18:45:10 assbot: Fuzzing Bitcoin Consensus - nickler's ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0l9R0 )

18:45:26 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes, saw

18:45:46 ascii_field: let the golang folks be proud of their flagship, l0l

18:46:23 jurov: well, serbians did use passive radar to shoot one down. and then 2.4ghz sources were far not so plentiful

18:46:35 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wut, it connects to wireless << it casts a shadow in microwave spectrum

18:46:39 mircea_popescu: jurov serbians shot down a stealth plane ?

18:46:57 jurov: yea, there's a piece exhibited in belgrade

18:47:01 mircea_popescu: i didn't know they had rockets fast enough even. wtf is this.

18:47:24 mircea_popescu: hey check it out, 1999 F-117A shootdown. is a thing.

18:47:53 mircea_popescu: with a goa lol.

18:47:59 mircea_popescu: those things are as big as the damned f117

18:49:01 mircea_popescu: "In addition, the Serbs had also intercepted and deciphered some NATO communications" AAAAhahahahaha

18:49:06 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha o god have mercy.

18:49:16 jurov: it isn't so inconceivable to point an antenna to sky and scan for reflected 2.4ghz sources

18:49:54 *: ascii_field floored that mircea_popescu had not heard of the mega-airplane

18:50:10 ascii_field: it even sits in a museum, one can visit it

18:50:22 ascii_field: (what's left of it)

18:50:35 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i'm only very marginally interested in this sort of wankery tbh.

18:50:52 ascii_field: there is a (plausible) legend that the strike on the cn embassy was deliberate - as it was where the carcass was hidden

18:51:46 mircea_popescu: ah, where are the rambunctious years of the serbian "pace" mission.

18:51:53 mircea_popescu: imagine, the us daring to hit a cn embassy today :D

18:52:07 mircea_popescu: how much has changed, how the mighty have fallen, etc.

18:55:05 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127940 << as in, customer can opt to have no communication with exchange outside of pgp ?

18:55:05 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch

18:56:07 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127949 << i feel the comments are the only good stuff on that reddit piece, which is amusing seeing how they both got 0 votes.

18:56:07 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:39:56; bitcoinquestions: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?

18:56:15 mircea_popescu: the derp was @reddit not at teh comments themselves.

18:56:42 mircea_popescu: and why is bitcoinquestions ?

18:57:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127967 << what are you, nuts ? no exchange with a lower fee EVER, in the entire history of finance, gained mainstream acceptance.

18:57:36 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:58:26; williamdunne: MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.

18:57:42 mircea_popescu: how much do you think nyse costs ?

18:57:56 mircea_popescu: yes, they used to be more expensive, and have been alligning to the mpex price over the years. nevertheless...

18:58:21 mircea_popescu: im not going to even go into the whole pki nonsense, too lazy atm.

18:58:32 davout: he was quoting apparently

18:58:38 davout: (the pki stuff)

18:58:43 mircea_popescu: oh.

18:58:48 mircea_popescu: well use quotes lol.

18:59:03 mircea_popescu: i was thinking hm, williamdunne ran an exchange ?

19:00:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128006 << that gyfcat thing is old, one of the sluts was using it to greatly impress.

19:00:35 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:10:43; ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^^

19:00:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 2850 @ 0.00035271 = 1.0052 BTC [+]

19:00:59 mircea_popescu: ahaha lol.

19:01:22 mircea_popescu: i thought you meant the site. gotta love those girls, great sports.

19:02:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_field wait, so you're not gonna write an inquiry to the elbrus folks ?

19:02:57 mircea_popescu: you know i *am* willing to buy one, host it in the ukr lands closeby, and so on.

19:03:58 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128018 << says the guy who bought & brought an entire fucking case of pogos, lol.

19:03:58 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:18:59; ascii_field: to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly

19:04:50 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

19:05:03 pete_dushenski: but but but pogos are cheap and shipped to door!

19:05:15 ascii_field: ty mircea_popescu. and pete_dushenski has it - those were lunch money, yes

19:05:17 pete_dushenski: which.... is considerable

19:05:32 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: buy elbrus ... << ru corps only is the advertised offer

19:05:34 mircea_popescu: well wtf is a server supposed to cost, 20k ?

19:05:47 ascii_field: elbrus advertised retail is ~4kusd

19:05:49 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i can bitch at someone there to buy it, i imagine. prolly so can you

19:05:52 mircea_popescu: ahaha wut ? why ?

19:05:57 ascii_field: ask'em why

19:06:10 mircea_popescu: lolk.

19:06:15 ascii_field: probably answer is 'not made in cn, therefore add a zero to cost'

19:06:15 mircea_popescu: so basically they can only sell to rug.

19:06:33 pete_dushenski: and $4k is for mini tower, not server, neh ?

19:07:16 ascii_field: aha

19:07:21 ascii_field: 1xcpu, 4core

19:07:23 mircea_popescu: there is some residual interest in exploring this thing, because it will definitely become the standard in ru bureaucracy, and knowing its holes will allow us to complete our collection of michelle obama cockinmouth.jpg with all the random hos putin manhandles.

19:07:25 ascii_field: basically demo unit

19:07:26 mircea_popescu: but i suspect too early yet

19:07:41 ascii_field: i'd buy in a hearbeat if had any lead on where.

19:07:54 ascii_field: for approx. same reason as mircea_popescu

19:08:06 mircea_popescu: ascii_field they're prolly looking atm.

19:08:17 mircea_popescu: give it a coupla years, they won't even be able to fix anything anymore because of deployment

19:08:27 mircea_popescu: you use a 0day now, you burn it.

19:08:36 mircea_popescu: even testing for one might burn undiscovered ones.

19:08:36 ascii_field: by the time we find it, it's ripe

19:08:56 ascii_field: but i see a number of oddities right off the bat

19:09:02 ascii_field: e.g., they appear to use foreign nic

19:09:15 mircea_popescu: maybe just for the demo units

19:09:39 ascii_field: and implication from brochure is that there is no native linux port, but uses x86 translatron

19:09:47 mircea_popescu: ahaha wtf

19:09:51 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nah advertised for both

19:09:56 ascii_field: (on vendor's site, specs)

19:10:03 mircea_popescu: myea

19:11:19 ascii_field: so from what i can see, 1) they cut every possible corner 2) rolled in x86 because unspoken 'winblows 4ever'

19:11:34 ascii_field: and 3) no public docs whatsoever. i looked.

19:12:23 mircea_popescu: i don't get why they'd make a x86 sparc.

19:12:38 ascii_field: 'hybrid of bulldog and rhinoceros'

19:12:49 ascii_field: they did it for same reason dec included x86 translator with alpha

19:12:54 ascii_field: -- because microshit

19:13:11 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128065 << then again that's how the russians sold cars, too.

19:13:11 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:39:43; pete_dushenski: 'pay now, mebbe ship later'

19:13:57 pete_dushenski: 7 years later... it shows up.

19:14:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128070 << this is much more valuable than it looks. run them in tandem.

19:14:13 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:02; ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant

19:14:27 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: see rest of thread

19:14:30 mircea_popescu: independence is built EXACTLY out of having access to all the flavours of idiocy

19:14:35 mircea_popescu: that's why trade centers get fat.

19:15:10 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128074 << transistor spec that fits in head, hopefully ?

19:15:10 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:50; ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers

19:15:25 ascii_field: not so hard.

19:15:28 mircea_popescu: (this is not as lulzy as it sounds. there MUST be a fractal pattern somewhere that also makes a machine)

19:16:32 mircea_popescu: anyway, you KNOW most elbrus will be running excel in govt offices. so yes.

19:16:33 mats: fun fact: SQLite compiles queries to a non-trivial VM https://www.sqlite.org/opcode.html

19:16:34 assbot: SQLite Virtual Machine Opcodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd820l )

19:16:43 ascii_field: machine that is -intended- for tandem operation in single yoke with identical units made by foreign skeptics operating from docs - must be purpose-designed.

19:17:16 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i don't get why they'd make a x86 sparc. << this is scary. i'd think you'd lose all ops/clock-cycle optimizations doing some translation between the two right?

19:17:23 mircea_popescu: right.

19:17:36 mircea_popescu: it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc"

19:17:40 thestringpuller: williamdunne: seems like d00d thinks GPG is a toy or marketing ploy.

19:18:05 mircea_popescu: ascii_field success comes from a very patent absence of intent.

19:18:18 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc" << lol

19:18:26 mircea_popescu: intent being the general mark of impending failure.

19:18:53 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: tandeming without a single point of failure - 'trusted' vote counter, etc. -- requires something like 'millionaire protocol' and purpose-designed iron.

19:18:58 ascii_field: just the way it works.

19:19:28 mircea_popescu: orly ? so how do the bitcoin nodes tandem ?

19:19:43 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: poorly. see sync protocol for instance.

19:19:47 mircea_popescu: clearly the largest use of tandem computing in the history of humanity, by any measure, by a very fat margin.

19:19:55 mircea_popescu: ascii_field fuzzily, is the point.

19:20:16 ascii_field: to take extant bitcoind as gold standard for anything whatsoever - is lunacy

19:20:22 ascii_field: it is only standing because no one is pushing.

19:20:23 mircea_popescu: you don't want the hard sort of thing you're thinking about. you just want an impredictable sort of tandem.

19:20:31 mircea_popescu: o, they be pushing.

19:20:42 ascii_field: pushing with strength of a child.

19:20:42 mircea_popescu: bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means.

19:20:47 mircea_popescu: "gold standard for everything else"

19:21:03 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the only reason you're not walking through walls is also, that you're pushing with the strength of a child.

19:21:11 mircea_popescu: and not even a female child at that. katrina did way better than you.

19:21:28 mircea_popescu: two week old!!1

19:21:31 ascii_field: the proverbial wall-drilling blades of grass, aha

19:23:30 ascii_field: bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means << then very clearly we don't have bitcoin yet

19:23:47 ascii_field: it still must be built.

19:23:49 mircea_popescu: shut up and eat your beans.

19:26:36 jurov: "x86 sparc" ofc this was tried. cue "transmeta crusoe"

19:26:56 *: ascii_field remembers the astonishing - even for that era - hype around 'transmeta'

19:28:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27570 @ 0.00025689 = 7.0825 BTC [-]

19:28:50 mircea_popescu: For checking if a string is empty, null or undefined I use: return (!str || 0 === str.length); For checking if a string is blank, null or undefined I use: return (!str || /^\s*$/.test(str)); For checking if a string is blank or contains only white-space: return (this.length === 0 || !this.trim());

19:28:56 mircea_popescu: dude this javascript thing...

19:29:02 ascii_field: http://www.mcst.ru/files/523816/aa0cd8/50cb4e/000010/news_121229_2.jpg << small elbrus. also unobtainable afaik

19:29:03 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd8T0N )

19:30:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00026075 = 7.5878 BTC [+]

19:30:53 jurov: sooo, russia and china put export embargo to their crown jewels.

19:31:18 ascii_field: jurov: as far as i can tell, not so much embargo as 'not enough to go around, so members-only'

19:31:34 trinque: mircea_popescu: JS... only winning move...

19:33:36 ascii_field: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqiYIidbwmY

19:33:37 assbot: Российский процессор оказался неуязвимым ЭЛЬБРУС - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd9dgb )

19:33:43 ascii_field: ^ contains some tidbits not found elsewhere

19:34:53 ascii_field: poor schmucks are almost certainly running 'systemd' from the looks of that demo screen


19:35:50 trinque: !up ascii_field

19:37:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00026215 = 24.3275 BTC [+] {4}

19:38:09 mircea_popescu: fuck, i finally fixed it.

19:38:11 mircea_popescu: if (newhash.length > 0) location.hash = newhash;

19:38:45 mircea_popescu: win.

19:38:54 mircea_popescu: i'm a javascript coder now!

19:38:57 trinque: mircea_popescu: you can just use shitty javascript truthiness for that

19:38:59 trinque: if(newhash)

19:39:21 mircea_popescu: trinque well, took a while to figure out wtf actually needs testing in those two pages of blerg

19:39:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40572 @ 0.00026388 = 10.7061 BTC [+] {2}

19:39:31 trinque: unless newhash = undefined is meaningful to it

19:39:34 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the dumbass page jumping when click behavuoyur has been fixed

19:39:35 trinque: of course you've got null too

19:39:41 trinque: gotta have both null and undefined

19:39:57 mircea_popescu: and 0 and "" ?

19:40:42 mircea_popescu: that's what i like about "typed" languages, you know ? if (i = "" or i =="" or i === "" or i = 0 or i == 0 or i === 0 or i &= null or i ^= undefined) fuck your mother.

19:40:54 mircea_popescu: (obv null and undefined each get their own special equalities)

19:41:30 ascii_field: js is one of the great crimes of the '90s 'digerati'

19:41:49 mircea_popescu: it's just elbrus for the rest of us.

19:42:16 trinque: undefined in js means the property or varname hasn't been given a value, whereas null is a value meaning... no value

19:42:26 trinque: no need for two, it's not as though it uses that distinction for any benefit

19:42:47 mircea_popescu: trinque i imagine ti must be useful when you're trying to exploit overflows.

19:47:06 trinque: heh, JS's whole design philosophy being "create as much attack surface as possible"

19:49:50 mircea_popescu: WEBSITE: By the Principality For the Principality Website established under Royal Command by: Inspector General, FM. Lord Steven G. P. Baikie, Earl of Tankerness KGCRO., ADC., Dip.Eng. (Electronics)., DSF., RHRL. & The Hon. Sir Phillip G. Baikie KIOM. Maintained under Royal Command by: PHR I.T. Department

19:49:58 mircea_popescu: bwahaha wtf. dipl eng (electronics) ? orly ?

19:50:35 ascii_field: wai wat

19:50:54 mircea_popescu: http://www.principality-hutt-river.org/gov/Media_Release/Index.htm

19:50:57 assbot: PHR Government - MEDIA RELEASES ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hdawvv )

19:51:28 ascii_field: l0l au version of 'sealand' ?

19:52:02 ascii_field: interestingly,

19:52:21 ascii_field: http://www.principality-hutt-river.org/gov/PHR_Govt_Notice_of_False_Misleading_&_Fraudulent_Representation.htm << this kind of thing is a major problem for 'micronation' derps. but for some reason not one has, afaik, ever contemplated pgp.

19:52:23 assbot: Principality of Hutt River Government ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdaEv5 )

19:52:39 ascii_field: which is the one and only pill against.

19:52:45 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works.

19:53:07 ascii_field: it 'works' by imbeciles shouting at one another, aha

19:53:11 ascii_field: or so we are to suppose

19:53:12 mircea_popescu: it works like so : the things people do shed no light on the things people can do. not anymore, at any rate.

19:53:36 mircea_popescu: just because some twerp is in the doctor's room at the hospital doth not mean he's a doctor.

19:53:54 mircea_popescu: guy in the oval office'd be best suited to carry heavy loads. stuff like that.

19:54:21 mircea_popescu: nobody goes "you know what ? maybe this shit's really supposed to be done by someone who, unlike me, is not actually an imbecile."

19:55:23 mircea_popescu: "why do you think you're an olympic athlete ?" "~~~BECAUSE~~~ I'm a quadriplegic. If I weren't, I wouldn't give a shit about the olympics, like everyone else."

19:58:33 ascii_field: i can't imagine too many folks would be the least bit interested in discovering what they are 'best suited for'

19:59:09 trinque: ah I dunno, depends when you ask them

19:59:44 mircea_popescu: trinque how you mean ?

20:00:16 mircea_popescu: ascii_field dude i must have missed some memos here. last i recall, that was pretty much the only point of interest. i blinked and now everyone seems to be running around trying to pretend like they can do things they most obviously can't.

20:00:31 mircea_popescu: it looks so badly like water poisoning you can't imagine.

20:00:50 mircea_popescu: "TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."

20:00:51 ascii_field: wai wat

20:00:57 trinque: anyone remotely useful tends to actually enjoy the structure of being given a worthwhile task

20:01:09 mircea_popescu: contrary to what the guy claims, the bugs he found appear to be in the power rangers "consensus" library, not in conformals'.

20:01:14 trinque: even if it's just some physical, menial task

20:01:16 mircea_popescu: who was here from conformal, i forget ?

20:01:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_field which part ? trinque sure, yes. so then, depends who you ask ?

20:02:08 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the part about 'that was pretty much the only point of interest'

20:02:55 mats: mircea_popescu: davec i believe

20:03:16 mircea_popescu: !up davec yo. about this jonas nick fellow ?

20:03:27 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: dhill as well iirc

20:03:45 mircea_popescu: ascii_field for as long as i can remember, the entire point, of school, and of intellectual activity of young people, was to find wtf they're good for.

20:03:48 trinque: mircea_popescu: point of my statement was that if the person's put to what they're actually best suited for, their opinion if it matters at all isn't worth hearing until they've felt what it's like

20:03:49 mircea_popescu: not in your experience ?

20:04:17 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: from schoolmaster's point of view - yes

20:04:39 mircea_popescu: trinque well entirely different consideration, this. i was looking at it from the subjective perspective. nevermind what the world tells you to do. why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? it's as if at the orchestra auditions everyone wanted to play the instruments they sucked at.

20:04:47 ascii_field: from student's point of view - to get himself credentialled/blessed for something closest to wtf he feels like doing

20:05:06 mircea_popescu: weird.

20:05:16 ascii_field: why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? << who wants to be biodiesel ?

20:05:27 mircea_popescu: biodiesel.

20:05:42 mircea_popescu: what, you thought it wanted to be pots and pans ?

20:06:00 trinque: on the one hand this is "what's to be done with all these walmart morons" and the other is "what's to be done with healthy humans"

20:06:02 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but, to quote the standard ru prison tattoo, 'dum spiro spero'

20:06:16 ascii_field: while the biodiesel still has arms and legs, it does not want to go to the reactor pot.

20:06:29 trinque: sure, make candles of 'em; but if we're going into long-term biodiesel production human stock's not nearly the best choice

20:06:41 mircea_popescu: ascii_field i'd say "wow, check out the weird divide between eastern europe and the us", but it's not it. tons upon tons of livresque reference to this exact thing, in english too.

20:06:50 mircea_popescu: "finding one's way" and whatnot. all the way through the 90s

20:06:54 mircea_popescu: when it suddenly went poof.

20:06:56 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

20:07:20 trinque: best times in my career have been when some older guy said "make X, and do it precisely this way"

20:07:31 mircea_popescu: well yes

20:08:22 jurov: worst times in mine

20:08:30 trinque: jurov: why's that?

20:08:49 jurov: maybe it was not the right older dude

20:08:53 jurov: dunno

20:09:20 trinque: of course that matters

20:09:57 trinque: in the case where the older dude has made something of himself already, he knows tasks the novice won't ever think of doing himself, novice comes away having found out he can build an X

20:11:45 trinque: I tend to think there's a lot more learned helplessness out there than actual uselessness.

20:11:56 trinque: just labor's too expensive

20:12:10 jurov: lmao. it involved building the X, literally

20:12:26 trinque: "my god... two lines.... crossed!"

20:12:28 trinque: jurov: exactly!

20:12:31 trinque: lol

20:12:42 ascii_field: thing is, 'being judged re: what one is best for' has a baked-in implication of brute slavemarket

20:12:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67075 @ 0.00025416 = 17.0478 BTC [-] {2}

20:13:23 mircea_popescu: trinque this is exactly it. to use my spiffy new js quote, http://fraudsters.com/2014/patriarchy-is-a-thing-because-nobody-likes-living-in-a-world-populated-by-little-girls/#selection-115.29-119.225

20:13:24 assbot: Patriarchy is a thing because nobody likes living in a world populated by little girls on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASqBPD )

20:13:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14375 @ 0.00024688 = 3.5489 BTC [-]

20:15:21 trinque: it didn't select the text that time, but plonked me on the paragraph

20:15:36 *: jurov was asked to extract relevant code from libxpm so that they can have color icons without dynamically linking it

20:16:00 *: jurov had to explain and provide sample that it's not really possible

20:16:18 mircea_popescu: jurov this does not seem what he said AT ALL.

20:17:02 trinque: mircea_popescu: exactly right though; when college didn't provide that experience for me, I left it and went to work for the entrepreneurs I knew, learned there

20:17:19 jurov: yes, the diffrence is my older dudes were asking me something they *did not* ever do themselves.

20:17:57 trinque: this is not to say that college cannot provide the experience, but that the shitty one I was paid to attend did not

20:18:27 mircea_popescu: jurov your "older dudes" are simply idiots. what he meant was "people who know this"

20:19:00 ascii_field: very few folks have the good fortune of a proper apprenticeship

20:19:02 *: ascii_field did not

20:19:17 mircea_popescu: prolly the principal value of #b-a.

20:19:27 mircea_popescu: in many a young man's life, it's the first time when someone says "DO X!"

20:19:37 mircea_popescu: they usually do not, which is indicative of just how badly brought up they are.

20:20:02 mircea_popescu: i blame the whores that fucked the drunks to spawn them.

20:21:19 ascii_field: what of the masters, whose teachings consist of 'go reinstall winblows for the 111th time' ?

20:21:38 ascii_field: this is supposed to teach the value of following a master ?

20:21:55 mircea_popescu: i have no idea. are they or aren't they ?

20:22:11 mircea_popescu: if you equivocate between master and idiot, don't expect me to be able to say much

20:22:22 ascii_field: 'we go to war with the army we have'

20:23:14 mircea_popescu: a vast majority of the great she-cooks i know (younger than me) started their cook life by being made to cut cabbage, and beaten for cutting it badly. and made to cut more.

20:23:38 ascii_field: cabbage (or the proverbial potato-peel-detail) are points in a progression to somewhere.

20:23:40 mircea_popescu: there is some value in the "go reinstall windows for the 11th time". the only issue is, who gives the order.

20:23:53 mircea_popescu: and no, you CAN NOT establish if X is or is not "master" by reading the orders.

20:24:00 mircea_popescu: anymore than you can establish if bits are code or data.

20:24:22 trinque: step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel

20:24:27 mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's only a progression to somewhere sometimes.

20:24:29 trinque: heh, the task was to flatten them out into a driveway

20:24:30 mircea_popescu: some other times, you suck.

20:24:45 trinque: there was a backhoe nearby

20:25:04 trinque: it knocks the shithead out of you so you listen better when the task is more important

20:25:26 mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=344&pr=0

20:25:28 assbot: JL: Boxing for MMA: Fundamentals ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2DM9g )

20:25:37 trinque: also teaches you to stop being a pussy in the face of every hard task

20:25:38 mircea_popescu: "A kid comes into a boxing gym. Your job as a coach is to discourage him so that he quits early on and does not waste your time."

20:25:42 mircea_popescu: guy gets it well enough.

20:25:44 trinque: heh there you go

20:26:22 mircea_popescu: at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck.

20:26:52 mircea_popescu: the one thing redditards dedicate their lives to avoiding.

20:26:57 mircea_popescu: and yes, it IS tantamout to rape, all this.

20:27:05 mircea_popescu: their notion of rape, at any rate.

20:27:29 trinque: of course I had no idea what I was being taught until later

20:27:40 trinque: thought the guy was just having a twisted laugh watching me shovel

20:27:50 mircea_popescu: maybe he was.

20:28:00 mircea_popescu: there's not even any possible relation between the two, is the thing.

20:28:09 trinque: between what?

20:28:17 mircea_popescu: between what he was doing and what you were doing.

20:28:42 mircea_popescu: think of it as separate machines. what the meaning of data is in X, as it passes it to Y, matters little for Y. and vice-versa.

20:28:55 trinque: hm yeah, whatever he meant of it and whatever I gained from it are distinct

20:28:57 mircea_popescu: Y will take it, in its own context, and do something with it.

20:28:58 trinque: I see your point

20:29:10 mircea_popescu: X is responsible to passing the right data, not to "passing the right data in the right internal context"

20:29:50 trinque: right, the pile of rocks could've been a papua new guinean tradition nobody had a coherent reason for

20:30:03 mircea_popescu: or actually a sadistic streak.

20:30:21 trinque: dunno that I'd count it against him if it was

20:30:43 mircea_popescu: exactly. which is the biggest problem for the touchy-feely types. absolutely HORRID people can make exceptional teachers

20:31:01 trinque: yeah nobody I've learned from was a sweetheart

20:31:48 trinque: points at a thing I don't have a word for.

20:32:29 trinque: the difference between the naive, single-step "compassion" and the longer view, which involves pain, suffering, so on, but a better outcome

20:34:33 ascii_field: at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck. << the popular version of this was, iirc, 'the bad dancer is hindered by his own arse'

20:35:08 mircea_popescu: also the fact that each of his legs is longer than the other.

20:35:13 ascii_field: aha.

20:37:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107167 @ 0.00024659 = 26.4263 BTC [-] {2}

20:40:43 *: mircea_popescu fondly recalls elena dragos. woman was a bit of a famous thing in cluj at the time. an entire year, 180ish students HATED the woman.

20:40:59 mircea_popescu: we got along great. i think might have been my favourite teacher.

20:41:17 mircea_popescu: the woman's sin ? she just... didn't think very much of random teenagers. this, terribru sin for the teenagers in question.

20:46:58 decimation: Happy Feast of St. Cyril & St. Methodius!

20:50:55 jurov: what?

20:51:23 jurov: we celebrate these two at 5th of July

21:09:17 jurov: !up yhwh_

21:09:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00026022 = 12.5166 BTC [+] {2}

21:16:07 thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/35lgre/bitcoin_network_simulator_we_need_a_simulation/ << "We need something like testnet, just not testnet."

21:20:43 jurov: http://www.explo.yt/GBTC_Bitcoin_Investment_Trust_2015-05-11_23.10.09.png going strong!!!1

21:20:44 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeLW1C )

21:21:20 jurov: 37.98-94.86 hahaha

21:24:49 *: jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD

21:26:07 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 8050 @ 0.000206 = 1.6583 BTC [-]

21:26:43 jurov: !mpif

21:26:44 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]

21:29:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.0002502 = 7.8563 BTC [-]

21:35:35 davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128371 <<< maximum kek

21:35:35 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 20:05:16; ascii_field: why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? << who wants to be biodiesel ?

21:38:23 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2342&pr=0

21:38:24 assbot: JL: The Return of Men? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeOwoo )

21:44:15 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128425 <<< american version of a traumatic childhood?

21:44:15 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 20:24:22; trinque: step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel

21:44:27 trinque: what, doing work?

21:44:45 trinque: I should probably go get some pills for that

21:44:53 cazalla: and see a therapist :P

21:46:59 trinque: http://www.tnellen.com/westside/harrison.pdf

21:47:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PePAbP )

21:47:45 davout: jurov: wrt that GBTC thing, it says "each represents ownership of approximately 0.1 BTC", wtf *approximately*?

21:48:32 jurov: i did not feel like examining exact details of that braindamage

21:48:38 cazalla: anyway, having your step son shovel rocks sounds like a good way for the guy to bang your mum without you interrupting

21:49:45 trinque: damn! that makes it clear

21:49:47 trinque: lol

21:50:13 davout: thestringpuller: "We need something like testnet, just not testnet." <<< the thing is that testnet doesn't even behave like actual bitcoin, because magic rules, because reasons

21:51:39 jurov: pity we don't have TaT around anymore. he could have pitched altcoin to them

21:52:16 mircea_popescu: * jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD << i would, if i didn't know in advance that the entire charade is entirely outside of any sort of economical considerations.

21:53:27 jurov: ;;seen thickasthieves

21:53:28 gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 27 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: but you da boss

21:53:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw i think he's smoking corn cobbs. srsly, if some woman needs me to walk everywhere with her i dun want anything to do with her. learn to kungfu.

21:54:29 BingoBoingo: Sounds reasonabru

21:54:40 mircea_popescu: davout has it. testnet is about as useful to testing bitcoin as it is to testing litecoin.

21:55:16 jurov: http://atc.blockr.io/ lol still lives!

21:55:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey3j2c )

21:55:35 mircea_popescu: o wow ?

21:55:49 davout: also i finally understand why the power rangers think checkpoints are a good idea

21:56:12 mircea_popescu: 11 blocks in 30 days ?

21:56:12 davout: "because otherwise one would notice that the synchronization protocol is absolutely and completely broken"

21:56:24 mircea_popescu: davout among other things, yes.

21:56:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00025764 = 7.9353 BTC [+] {2}

21:56:42 mircea_popescu: they have a solid tradition of covering old shit that;s starting to stink with freshly laid shit.

21:56:45 mircea_popescu: monkeys.

21:57:36 davout: it would be pretty lulzy to actually fix it in and then "backport" it to 0.11

21:58:05 mircea_popescu: odds of that are low, seeing how a) they're too stupid-proud to do it and b) we got better shit to do than maintain dead forks.

21:58:38 mircea_popescu: taking shit from b-a log and pretending like your "expert" economists finally figured it out a month later is one thing. taking code and backporting it is harder to deny.

22:02:10 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meaa8uqOfN1qeyx9go1_1280.jpg

22:02:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey4AWV )

22:12:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45268 @ 0.00024372 = 11.0327 BTC [-] {4}

22:49:35 williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Mm soft-launch of the one that I shall be re-launching soonish ^tm >>> i was thinking hm, williamdunne ran an exchange

22:50:19 mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.

22:50:31 mircea_popescu: prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first.

22:50:33 williamdunne: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127940 << as in, customer can opt to have no communication with exchange outside of pgp ? <<< All email communications were encrypted, and they could communicate with me directly in an encrypted manner. No order entry tho

22:50:33 assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch

22:51:26 williamdunne: 19:22:10 - davout: williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit << it was stupidity at its finest, pretty sure they only implemented GPG for another buzzword

22:51:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70383 @ 0.00024066 = 16.9384 BTC [-]

22:52:01 williamdunne: Sorry was just going over the logs didn't see your message

22:52:18 williamdunne: 23:50:20 - mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.

22:52:18 williamdunne: 23:50:31 - mircea_popescu: prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first. <<< we're doing the KYC bs on the first exchange

22:52:27 williamdunne: Then there will be a separate exchange in the future without the BS

22:52:33 mircea_popescu: heh.

22:52:34 williamdunne: mabbeh

22:52:54 williamdunne: You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat

22:53:00 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/2493d3bccce515da983cd8e6ab5e0925/tumblr_mznsdvwQCC1r2sy0fo1_500.gif << and she's going to be a princess.

22:53:01 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7b1H1 )

22:53:02 mircea_popescu: one day.

22:53:03 mircea_popescu: maybe.

22:53:49 williamdunne: She's her daddy's princess

22:54:51 mircea_popescu: quite. and exactly the same with kyc. if you implement the us rules, you're stuck working for the us. it probably doesn't want you to be doing this, and consequently, you are only allowed to "do it" if you don't actually do it, and for as long as you bring money from home.

22:54:53 ben_vulpes: You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat << mhhhhhm.

22:55:23 mircea_popescu: otherwise, lawsky has his own guy that bribed him to do it, and whoever else has whoever else, and none of those schmucks is you.

22:56:07 williamdunne: It won't be me doing it

22:56:29 williamdunne: Directly anyway

22:56:59 mircea_popescu: nothing changes. let's work an example to get what we mean.

22:58:34 mircea_popescu: so, you wish to grow tomatoes. you can either grow tomatoes on land owned by old man KYC, who offers the following deal : "you may [pretend like] you're growing tomatoes here, provided you suck my cock for longer than you derp in the garden, and if any tomatoes grow up you owe me twice as many tomatoes on top of those tomatoes", or you could grow them on unrelated land. which may or may not be able to grow tomatoes in

22:58:35 mircea_popescu: the first place, and may or may not be inhabited by poisonous alien flying earthworms.

22:58:48 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, ~IF~ you do get some tomatoes to grow, they are yours.

22:59:04 mircea_popescu: now... to answer this you're telling me that you wouldn't be doing the planting directly ? what difference does it make.

22:59:15 ben_vulpes: no, the *sucking*

22:59:24 mircea_popescu: that's not optional.

22:59:35 ben_vulpes: b-b-but that's the compliant guy's job!

22:59:43 mircea_popescu: right.

23:00:09 mircea_popescu: because that's totally how the mob works, "hey, i don't owe you money, that was my other personality / sister / neighbour"

23:01:20 ben_vulpes: "noice likkle exchange ew've got there"

23:01:25 ben_vulpes: "shame if anything were to..."

23:01:34 ben_vulpes: "...happen to it."

23:01:47 *: ben_vulpes topples a rack of servers

23:02:02 ben_vulpes: "oh goodness. wot a tragedy."

23:02:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if only that guy with the younger queen of spades gf had had the sense to do this, you know ? "hey, i just own the team. go fire my racism guy if you don';t like my being racist"

23:04:19 ben_vulpes: i don't know that story

23:04:37 trinque: old dude owned a basketball team and said something not even that racist

23:04:55 trinque: about his rented gf not being photographed with black men, but she could fuck 'em

23:05:29 trinque: Donald Sterling

23:07:27 cazalla: and with the imminent aussie budget due, muh country slide further down the drain.. "A new tax on bank deposits to build a fund that could be used in the event of a banking collapse. In a handy little boost, the money would also sit on the budget balance sheet. "

23:07:57 williamdunne: Negative interest rates'll be next

23:08:21 mircea_popescu: cazalla lmao

23:08:32 ben_vulpes: http://emacs-users.shithouse.tv/

23:08:32 assbot: emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYhWt )

23:08:38 ben_vulpes: http://vim-users.shithouse.tv/

23:08:39 assbot: vim-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYj0A )

23:08:43 ben_vulpes: http://real-vim-users.shithouse.tv/

23:08:44 assbot: real-vim-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYl8N )

23:08:47 ben_vulpes: http://real-emacs-users.shithouse.tv/

23:08:48 assbot: real-emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYjO8 )

23:09:06 trinque: oh no, the shitposting... it's leaking!

23:09:16 mircea_popescu: ...

23:10:08 ben_vulpes: http://real-unix-users.shithouse.tv/

23:10:09 assbot: real-unix-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYwks )

23:15:44 ben_vulpes: wait cazalla this is a cypressalike?

23:18:23 cazalla: ben_vulpes, no specific details yet afaik, but this country is fucked regardless

23:20:58 cazalla: reports from earlier in the year suggest 0.05% on deposits up to $250,00 AUD

23:29:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37558 @ 0.00024066 = 9.0387 BTC [-]

23:31:21 decimation: jurov: re: st. cyril & methoius < apparently it depends on whether you use the julian calendar

23:33:13 decimation: and apparently in slovakia & czech republic it is 5 july, because pope pius ix said so

23:33:36 decimation: http://www.pitt.edu/~votruba/qsonhist/cyrilmethodiusholidayhistory.html

23:33:37 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWqfwM )

23:49:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56597 @ 0.00024066 = 13.6206 BTC [-]

23:56:12 asciilifeform: http://real-emacs-users.shithouse.tv << aha.

23:56:13 assbot: real-emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsdNu )

23:56:35 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 14000 @ 0.000207 = 2.898 BTC [+]

23:57:16 trinque: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e1/78/20/e17820c0bf8a3fb9cf56dbe83abf6a55.jpg << I found another.

23:57:17 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsi3N )

23:57:30 trinque: as you can see, the suit's perfectly conformed to his unique form

23:57:59 trinque: eh dunno if that's tape

23:58:13 asciilifeform: trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 << my ancient attempt

23:58:15 assbot: Loper OS » Programmer’s Editors, Illustrated. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsobK )

23:59:38 assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10510 @ 0.000207 = 2.1756 BTC [+]

23:59:40 trinque: heh