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00:01:09 mircea_popescu: it would not surprise me.

00:01:19 mircea_popescu: crypto inglesa

00:01:23 mthreat: mircea_popescu: I've heard (unverified) that there is some law about requiring sale of condoms in bathrooms here

00:01:31 mircea_popescu: mthreat wait, what ?!

00:01:42 mircea_popescu: dude the fucking weird laws they have, texas is nothing compared

00:01:44 BingoBoingo: Crypto Inglesa sounds more like GPG

00:01:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no that's correo inglesa

00:02:03 mthreat: mircea_popescu: even the women's bathrooms often have condom machines

00:02:15 mthreat: again, unverified

00:02:22 mircea_popescu: mthreat no even there. us condom dispenser machines are in girl's bathrooms too

00:02:39 mircea_popescu: i think i even have pics published on fraudsters somewhere of this in san antonio tx

00:02:51 BingoBoingo: Ah, Texas has some weird laws... I don't think it is legal for a Texan to make eye contact with a Steer and not offer it a handjob.

00:03:04 mthreat: i've seen them in texas, but i'm not aware of any law there

00:03:17 mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone's aware of what the laws are, in texas :D

00:08:28 BingoBoingo: One of the things I miss about Missouri was its general lack of laws

00:10:44 BingoBoingo: I thank the Busch dynasty for that (Beer Busches, not politics Bushes)

00:17:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27098 @ 0.00085375 = 23.1349 BTC [+] {3}

00:20:16 BingoBoingo: Were we still looking at the back part of July?

00:20:41 BingoBoingo: http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=stl#y=2014&m=7&calendar=DEFAULT and August http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/schedule/index.jsp?c_id=stl#y=2014&m=8&calendar=DEFAULT

00:20:41 assbot: Cardinals Schedule | cardinals.com: Schedule

00:20:41 assbot: Cardinals Schedule | cardinals.com: Schedule

00:20:57 BingoBoingo: Oops thestringpuller

00:21:52 BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/02/general-surgery/

00:21:53 assbot: American Board of General Surgery to Add Section on Barbering | Medical Satire - GomerBlog

00:22:40 mircea_popescu: ok so i ended up picking a link from someone in here and writing a fucking important and grandiose piece.

00:22:44 mircea_popescu: god i love this chan

00:22:59 mircea_popescu: (it's not done yet, but should be in a coupla hours)

00:27:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are you using that has 'll' ? unix system V ?

00:28:32 asciilifeform: (mentioned in footnote to 'strange things people think')

00:28:48 asciilifeform: ... minix ?

00:28:51 mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? fucking ubuntu has ll. debian has ll.

00:28:55 mircea_popescu: what doesn't have ll

00:28:59 asciilifeform: me.

00:29:19 mircea_popescu: lol ok

00:29:23 mircea_popescu: why not ? ls sucks

00:29:25 asciilifeform: (to be fair, if i didn't build it from src, it's not here)

00:29:56 mircea_popescu: (it's just an alias for ls -l you know)

00:29:59 asciilifeform: sure

00:30:10 asciilifeform: a little retro

00:30:16 mircea_popescu: well ya.

00:30:30 mircea_popescu: ls should be -l by default anyway.

00:30:36 asciilifeform: ltr

00:31:37 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that cat any closer to being tamed?

00:31:38 mircea_popescu: anyway, the requirement was to know what it does. you proposing bar too high ?

00:31:54 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cat is the ways she likes, wild, free

00:32:43 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All you need to do is move it to being wild, free, and attuned to your air defense needs.

00:32:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: battleship where they piss on patents: there is a smart and a foolish way to do this. the latter - e.g. ussr, where my father and countless other folks copied consumer gizmos from the west. smart way: develop tech that was entombed in patent hell in the west and never really hatched

00:33:17 mike_c: trippy. imma go throw up now. http://amiagoodperson.tumblr.com/

00:33:18 assbot: am i really a good person?

00:33:39 asciilifeform: e.g. electric nose, retinal projection display, various biological strange

00:33:49 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe

00:33:52 mircea_popescu: it's a complex problem

00:34:03 asciilifeform: more examples - anything to do with wavelets

00:34:14 asciilifeform: one could make a tedious list

00:35:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9064 @ 0.00085612 = 7.7599 BTC [+]

00:35:49 *: BingoBoingo wonders if Yarvin will revise the Urbit metaphor again when Bitcoin becomes a Naval power...

00:37:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: urbit belongs to rupture farms (or whatever that vc outfit was called) now

00:38:03 BingoBoingo: Imagined Urbit Progression: Feudalism >> Flotilla >> Trucking Company >> Single Toyota Hillux >> Truckstop Bathroom >> Condom on the floor of said bathroom >> Semen in the Condom >> AIDs

00:38:13 asciilifeform: http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0252.txt

00:38:23 asciilifeform: ^ yarvin as a kid, when he was more fun

00:38:59 asciilifeform: http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0234.html

00:39:00 assbot: cDc paramedia: texXxt #234

00:39:02 asciilifeform: ^ ditto

00:40:53 BingoBoingo: Interesting that web archeology is a big enough project that there can now be subject specialists.

00:41:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: actually moldbug/yarvin 'came out of the closet' when he bragged about inventing address space randomization in an obscure paper as an undergrad

00:41:53 asciilifeform: circa... 2009?

00:41:58 asciilifeform: that narrowed the candidate list to 1.

00:42:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22239 @ 0.00084961 = 18.8945 BTC [-] {3}

00:42:45 asciilifeform: at least that's when i (not acquainted with the man personally) learned the truth

00:43:21 BingoBoingo: Interesting how this works.

00:44:14 asciilifeform: that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it

00:44:50 asciilifeform: folks who do this for a living (e.g. spying) come with 'cover' biographies and essentially live the life of an actor

00:45:12 asciilifeform: and then understand that you can't use actual life experiences, etc. in conversation

00:45:33 asciilifeform: not worth it unless you're paid for the sweat (or perhaps half a step ahead of the gasenwagen...)

00:48:39 asciilifeform: going back to mr mold:

00:48:42 asciilifeform: 'Sacco and Vanzetti came up with an entirely different solution to the slow-MMU problem, one which if I do say so myself was less imaginative than mine, but both more general and more practical. They published theirs in a real conference, received much acclaim for it, and I believe patented it, started a so-called company and eventually sold it to Microsoft.'

00:49:06 asciilifeform: 'At some point during this period, however, I realized that the entire problem was a complete and utter pseudo-problem. ... So I am very confident that neither of these techniques, neither mine nor Sacco and Vanzetti's, has ever been used in practice. There is no need for them, there has never been any need for them, and there will never be any need for them. And this was quite obvious in 1993.'

00:49:15 asciilifeform: 'My Navrozov moment, of course, was when I approached one of the two - Sacco, I think - and attempted to have an intellectual discussion of this realization. The story is basically the same as Navrozov's, so it would be boring to repeat, but basically I came away with the feeling that I'd told someone his Sicilian grandmother liked to get drunk and fuck her own goats.'

00:49:25 asciilifeform: 'Which, in fact, I had. Because I'd essentially told him his research was fraudulent. The fact that my research was also fraudulent, and that neither of ours was particularly noteworthy in that regard, did not matter. And why should it? Others' crimes cannot excuse your own.'

00:49:28 asciilifeform: (end of mega-quote.)

00:49:34 asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-navrozov-moments.html

00:49:34 assbot: Unqualified Reservations: My Navrozov moments

00:49:38 asciilifeform: ^ the piece in question

00:49:48 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> that's when i realized that talking about anything worthwhile under a 'tight' alias is arduous to the degree that it's probably not worth it <<

00:50:10 mircea_popescu: similarly, managing noise levels in your building is not something you do anonymously.

00:50:34 asciilifeform: 'tight' understood to mean, actually making an effort to conceal your human name

00:50:40 mircea_popescu: ya

00:51:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, no research is ever fraudulent.

00:51:30 benkay: oh yeah. when neighbors act up, i go over in my underoos and say "hi. please stop."

00:51:37 mircea_popescu: the historyof nonsense is still scholarship

00:51:42 mircea_popescu: one just has to be jewish enough about it.

00:51:51 BingoBoingo: I like my current level of OL vs. IRL identity taint which is nearly complete, but maintained because I like it and it keep sthe lowest nags away.

00:52:02 mircea_popescu: benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better.

00:52:31 asciilifeform: 300 dollar shirt << chain mail?

00:52:42 mircea_popescu: no lol

00:52:51 BingoBoingo: I've heard... cycling my Mossberg tends to quiet the neighborhood from third hand reports...

00:52:52 asciilifeform: what other shirt has 'obvious' price

00:53:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: W-metal shirt

00:53:11 BingoBoingo: Or Z-weighted shirt

00:53:16 mircea_popescu: hm

00:54:16 *: BingoBoingo actually fancies the eventual acquisition of z-weighted storm shutters.

00:56:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?

00:58:21 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, wind storms are a thing here and... should a hot war start with a nuclear power... I live all to close to Air Mobility command atm to count on these plastic window blinds to save me from radiation poisoning while I wait out the initial fallout's decay.

00:59:58 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice that the folks who are forced to live 'in a target' on account of their profession, have rather different nukefest preparations than the crap traditionally suggested to commoners

01:00:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all others - if they can afford it, live elsewhere, rather than building bunkers, investing in chemsuits, escape vehicles

01:02:23 asciilifeform: a fine example, actually, of solving wrong engineering problem

01:02:33 asciilifeform: consider, likewise, the infamous 'suit for surviving bear attack'

01:02:53 asciilifeform: most people, at least, have the sense to solve the latter problem another way.

01:03:41 BingoBoingo: Bunkers and chemsuits would be a bit much here. It's not that close and the wind tend to be favorable... I'm more concerned about the windstorms, but if I'm protecting against that unlike the neighbors buying new windows might as well find a solution that offers utility in a few more situations.

01:04:16 BingoBoingo: I mean unless Russian and Chinese missile guidance is that shitty... Then... I'm fucked...

01:04:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: russian rockets are traditionally specced to the 'texas sharpshooter' method

01:05:01 asciilifeform: and thus off by 200+km without fail

01:05:52 benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors.

01:05:56 benkay: (as well)

01:06:42 asciilifeform: can't speak for the chicoms. but, given as their machines are more recent, perhaps they do the obvious thing - targeting the loud, unmistakeable radio-cacophony of the target

01:06:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I was kind of hoping the Russianmilitary reforms from Georgia to Crimea would have also been evidenced in the missile fleet...

01:07:36 BingoBoingo: So... I could be fucked both ways... Loud radio caucophany is my anti-tempest strategy...

01:07:50 asciilifeform: radio-seeking guidance is sop even now.

01:07:59 benkay: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/09/hidden-deep-inside-the-oregon-woods-is-a-boeing-727-and-it-wasnt-parked-there-by-accident/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=ShareButtons

01:08:00 assbot: Hidden Deep Inside the Oregon Woods Is a Boeing 727 and It Wasnt Parked There by Accident | Video | TheBlaze.com

01:08:09 benkay: see, cascadia's full of rad old coots

01:08:12 asciilifeform: (for short-range rockets)

01:09:01 BingoBoingo: Yeah, US has been using it against any afghan with a Sat phone.

01:09:30 BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/06/10/the_official_live_thread_of_the_south_carolina_and_virginia_primaries.html

01:09:30 assbot: Eric Cantor Loses: The Official Live Thread of the South Carolina and Virginia Primaries

01:10:57 asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison

01:11:03 asciilifeform: so they all got rocketed.

01:11:10 asciilifeform: (triangulation)

01:12:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0709 = 0.1418 BTC [+]

01:13:27 BingoBoingo: Ah, the if Oracle was a Defense Contractor strategy............ =====

01:15:46 mircea_popescu: <benkay> <mircea_popescu> benkay 300 dollar shirt, no underwear works better. // by the time i feel okay about buying 300 dollar shirts, i hopefully can delegate the harrasment of neighbors. << and peeing ?

01:16:19 asciilifeform: on battleship, harass neighbours with... exocets

01:16:50 BingoBoingo: Unless the neighbors are British... They probably have countermeasures for that by now...

01:17:23 dub: benkay reinforces another jew stereotype

01:17:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there can be countermeasure against 1,2,3... but not five. see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014&bots=true#488932

01:17:37 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

01:17:53 mircea_popescu: !up rmerritt

01:19:02 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison << i heard the same story passed off as successful intel mission, stole

01:19:02 mircea_popescu: the crucial bit of spec, rendered whole thing useless.

01:19:10 mike_c: what does ring pattern have to do with it? HARM busts up jammers regardless I thought

01:19:20 mike_c: just homes in on strongest source.

01:19:40 asciilifeform: mike_c: consider the question of how one finds the strongest source.

01:19:48 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm guessing you never got the Radio merit badge in the Boyu Scouts?

01:19:56 mike_c: i did not.

01:20:02 BingoBoingo: Ah

01:20:02 mircea_popescu: mike_c if properly geometrically spaced the harm misses

01:20:11 mike_c: what, it plunks in the middle?

01:20:16 mircea_popescu: sort-of yea

01:20:37 asciilifeform: beauty is, you can now do experiment (vs gedankenexperiment) yourself, just need ~$100 and local computer junk shop

01:20:44 mike_c: and a HARM

01:20:47 asciilifeform: buy 'wifi' locator keychain and a box of old routers.

01:20:54 mircea_popescu: mike_c just the seeking part.

01:20:57 mircea_popescu: diy, 50 bux

01:21:15 mircea_popescu: or yeah i guess asciilifeform's version is even better.

01:21:44 mike_c: well, there is the other easy way to hose gps jammers.

01:21:51 mike_c: as long as you know which way is up..

01:21:57 mike_c: ignore signals from down.

01:22:02 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: tale: take with requisite grain of whatever salt, it was told by a russian

01:22:12 asciilifeform: !up jborkl

01:22:20 jborkl: Thank you

01:22:25 mircea_popescu: mike_c you can't always identify directionality like that

01:22:38 mike_c: not always, but when you are designing for it you can.

01:22:54 asciilifeform: mike_c: clouds - moon, if you want! are... reflective.

01:23:06 asciilifeform: if you need, it can 'come from down'

01:23:07 mircea_popescu: mike_c not only the ionosphere reflects, but

01:23:12 BingoBoingo: And it must be remembered "ring does not necessarily mean 1 ring or centered rings

01:23:15 mircea_popescu: plenty of times the sattelites will be under your horizon

01:23:27 asciilifeform: signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise.

01:23:38 asciilifeform: (how do we pick it up? open a textbook, pll...)

01:23:59 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> signal from the genuine gps sat is... below thermal noise. << exactly, and directionality is w-expensive.

01:24:17 BingoBoingo: Subtly move the center of the complex from the 1337 command center to the squash court

01:24:28 asciilifeform: gps would be worth very little if you could only use the signal that is 'up'

01:24:31 asciilifeform: think about it

01:24:34 jborkl: My server has been at 70k kbps for the last 24 hours

01:24:51 jborkl: Not sure if it is traffic or ?

01:24:56 mircea_popescu: jborkl welcome to the internet.

01:25:11 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 7000 * 3600 * 24 / (1024 ** 3)

01:25:12 gribble: 0.563263893127

01:25:22 asciilifeform: jborkl: 'tcpdump', 'wireshark', etc

01:25:24 mike_c: asciilifeform: i am thinking. but i believe this problem has been worked on over the years. like with stronger gps sats, no?

01:25:48 mircea_popescu: mike_c sort-of. obviously it's an endless battle etc. but it's not nearly as lopsided as you seem to think.

01:26:09 BingoBoingo: mike_c: GPS sats only get so strong. Most "GPS" relies on indigenous signals to achieve a finer resolution

01:26:10 mike_c: i think it wasn't that lopsided in operation saddam

01:26:14 mike_c: but i think it is now

01:26:20 asciilifeform: mike_c: there are practical limits for electrical supply in orbit. (russia launched reactors, pissing on treaties, for this reason)

01:26:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c actually the 2nd gulf war was probably the pinacle of us military tech advantage

01:27:01 mircea_popescu: and i'll be it'll never be reached again in the lifetime of that republic.

01:27:04 BingoBoingo: Most under rated turn of the century film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0186566/

01:27:05 assbot: Space Cowboys (2000) - IMDb

01:27:19 mircea_popescu: it certainly isn't nowhere near today.

01:27:24 asciilifeform: modern rocket men have taken an interest in terrain tracking, gravimetric maps, etc. - things the opponent can't jam

01:27:28 asciilifeform: for this reason.

01:28:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile opponent is researching how to fuck with the [measured] gravity

01:28:04 mircea_popescu: also for this reason

01:28:25 BingoBoingo: And the US is abandoning it's premier attack aircraft...

01:28:37 mike_c: yeah but we got lots of uav's

01:28:44 mircea_popescu: but anyway, the chinese extremely heavy investment in cheap, easy to deploy, rocket defenses and the way research has been going, it's quite clear we're entering another pikeman phase.

01:28:57 asciilifeform: obligatory:

01:29:02 asciilifeform: ;;google you and the atomic bomb

01:29:02 gribble: George Orwell: You and the Atomic Bomb: http://orwell.ru/library/articles/ABomb/english/e_abomb; Orwell's 5 greatest essays: No. 4, "You and the Atomic Bomb" - Los ...: http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/05/business/la-fi-mh-orwells-atomic-20131104; Fifty Orwell Essays - Project Gutenberg Australia: http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html

01:29:20 BingoBoingo: The pikeman phase was my least favorite part of Civ II

01:29:54 BingoBoingo: Unless facing Ghandi when it becomes the nuclear age.

01:30:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in actual history it wasn't so bad.

01:30:39 BingoBoingo: Ghandi was just a Brown Edward Teller

01:30:50 mircea_popescu: problem is civ was written from a broken (french revolutionary) pov.

01:30:58 mircea_popescu: were you born in a less dumb culture it'd have been more pleasant.

01:31:17 asciilifeform: gotta pity the kid who learns history from 'civilopaedia'

01:31:33 mircea_popescu: you mean everyone on reddit ?

01:31:34 asciilifeform: 'i built Woman's Suffrage, can now research Atomic Power !'

01:31:37 BingoBoingo: Well, I eventually started playing Civ with the aim of maintaining an Iberian City state and nothing else...

01:31:48 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this may then be relevant to your interests :

01:32:02 *: asciilifeform started and ended with civ-1

01:32:13 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/sid-meiers-civilisation-3/

01:32:15 assbot: Sid Meier’s Civilisation (3) pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:32:17 mircea_popescu: me single town owning world.

01:33:50 mircea_popescu: shit sorry wrong link

01:33:52 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2011/revelatie-nocturna/ < that one

01:33:53 assbot: Revelatie nocturna pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:33:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Never had access to the civilopedia... Civ II was the only Civ at walmart and I was running a 486 at the time

01:34:51 mircea_popescu: wasn;t it in game ?

01:35:06 mircea_popescu: anyway, 70k gold +1k per turn. sexy!

01:35:11 asciilifeform: mine was an ascii turd that came with the warez.

01:36:14 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It was in game, but... beyond my ability to load... Even Windows software back then was modular enough the rest of the game worked.

01:36:29 mircea_popescu: nice huh

01:36:36 BingoBoingo: That is a beautiful situation you fell into

01:37:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084872 = 2.3764 BTC [-]

01:38:10 BingoBoingo: Another thing I loved about the early civ games was "customizing" the sprites and rules.

01:38:20 *: asciilifeform played as barbarians...

01:38:39 BingoBoingo: :D

01:39:04 *: asciilifeform ashamed, probably spent more time patching games than playing

01:39:34 BingoBoingo: Nothing to be ashamed of. The thing is back then, that was the fun.

01:41:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8555 @ 0.00084942 = 7.2668 BTC [+] {2}

01:41:45 BingoBoingo: rules.txt has to be one of my top 5 favorite files of all time

01:42:16 jborkl: So I am guessing I am getting ddos ? My CDN also says it served 200mb today. I will have to use tcpdump tomorrow

01:42:30 jborkl: And see what's up

01:43:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of radio triangulation, cryptome is back - with: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/dea-nsa-sandkey.pdf

01:43:22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, others: http://cryptome.org/2014/06/iron-box-security.htm

01:43:48 asciilifeform: (summary: fellow read 'the mice' or likewise woke up, pessimist)

01:44:05 BingoBoingo: Wait, drug trafickers use voice on VHF? not Morse plus One time pad?

01:44:37 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sit down for this one. they don't use pgp either...

01:44:49 mircea_popescu: jborkl http://fraudsters.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/

01:44:50 assbot: Awstats and stuff pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

01:45:01 mircea_popescu: fraudsters serves 5gb a day on average. maybe you're just becoming famous ?

01:45:08 BingoBoingo: Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job.

01:45:21 jborkl: Well I guess that is what I am trying to figure out

01:45:28 asciilifeform: 'But maybe "computer" is the wrong word. It's actually an iron box with a padlock. Also known as a computer whose security model is simple enough to understand and whose operating system is known completely enough to trust.'

01:45:33 mircea_popescu: so grep the log for unique ips

01:45:51 benkay: <BingoBoingo> Fuck... If Farc catches me... I might get an actual IT job. // worse things could happen

01:46:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still with the fucking pdfs. anything good in that sandkey thing ?

01:46:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo more or less summarized the one interesting gibblet

01:46:31 mircea_popescu: aok

01:47:02 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech)

01:47:17 benkay: ;;google agenture

01:47:18 gribble: Agenture apparel manufacturing, Bestbase group | LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/company/agenture-hk; Gabay-agenture.net: http://gabay-agenture.net/; Agenture Cortese « KOOPmedia: http://www.koopmedia.nl/index.php/agenture-cortese/

01:47:35 benkay: ?

01:47:41 asciilifeform: benkay: 'humint' to english folks

01:47:42 asciilifeform: sorry

01:47:56 benkay: no need to apologize for my poor education

01:48:12 BingoBoingo: -assets, where crackpots become spies

01:48:21 benkay: agenture - huh, as in the acts of agents?

01:48:28 asciilifeform: aye

01:48:33 asciilifeform: as in, recruiting traitors

01:48:55 asciilifeform: (what the word 'spy' means to folks who actually earn their bread by spying)

01:51:01 BingoBoingo: Oh, that was an interesting link to cause Firefox to crash...

01:51:06 asciilifeform: lol

01:51:13 asciilifeform: stack trace?

01:51:23 asciilifeform: or BingoBoingo doesn't like money

01:51:46 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How do I get a stack trace?

01:51:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: your favourite debugger

01:52:13 BingoBoingo: You have to remember, Librarian... HTML and twitter were what we called technology

01:52:14 asciilifeform: if on linux box, check syslog

01:52:48 BingoBoingo: Explain this to me like I'm Usagi

01:53:01 BingoBoingo: !up jborkl

01:53:12 asciilifeform: re: humint: intro textbook:

01:53:13 asciilifeform: http://nekaka.com/d/WNRkvY3LBE

01:53:13 assbot: NEKAKA - Download File - spies.pdf

01:53:25 dub: type> dmesg

01:54:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0709 = 0.1418 BTC [+]

01:57:24 asciilifeform: ^ ignore the sensational cover, it's a pretty good schoolbook

01:57:55 benkay: downloading, but it's definitely going in below the Hathaway letters.

01:58:03 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mozilla crash report, dmesg about to go in dpaste https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611

01:58:06 assbot: [@ SetStyleSheetReference] - Firefox 29.0 Crash Report - Report ID: ef1152b5-3111-4239-a51b-0065c2140611

01:58:32 diametric: asciilifeform: you're still online, so i take it you didn't drown today

01:58:45 asciilifeform: diametric: nope. but front yard kinda dissolved.

01:58:55 diametric: fun

02:01:24 *: asciilifeform experienced drowned computers one and only time - on 2nd floor of a gigantic office park. no prizes for guessing how

02:01:35 BingoBoingo: Fuck, why is Nigbuntu still running on any of my machines.

02:01:40 asciilifeform: (fire alarm, flooders)

02:02:29 BingoBoingo: NIGbuntu is trying to tell me I don't have any system logger

02:04:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07075196 = 3.5376 BTC [-] {3}

02:04:17 diametric: nigbuntu?

02:06:46 BingoBoingo: diametric: That's it's name nao.

02:11:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can I trust you if I send you this machine's Var partition all GPG'd up somehow?

02:11:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afraid you're on your own for this one, my hands are full

02:11:48 asciilifeform: but it's a good educational exercise.

02:12:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ask diametric perhaps

02:12:23 asciilifeform: or put a bounty.

02:12:47 diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe

02:12:53 asciilifeform: lolz

02:13:14 BingoBoingo: Or... this SSD is getting up there in years... Might be time to get a barrel...

02:13:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try magnesium

02:14:02 BingoBoingo: A bit of anthracite and oak should get NAND up to adequate temperatures.

02:14:20 asciilifeform: in glass jar (outdoor, just in case.) see if you can get the stoichiometry of air in jar and Mg right

02:14:56 BingoBoingo: But... How do I cook porksteaks on a Jar...

02:14:56 asciilifeform: (recall the old-fashioned camera flash bulbs)

02:15:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange

02:15:45 BingoBoingo: It makes me stronger in death... I shall not decompose...

02:16:06 asciilifeform: [insert the tired old mozart joke here]

02:16:18 BingoBoingo: Or Bentham...

02:16:28 asciilifeform: ;;google mozart decomposing

02:16:28 gribble: "Mozart: Decomposing Since 1791." - Threadless.com - Best t-shirts ...: https://www.threadless.com/product/2552/Mozart_Decomposing_Since_1791; Musician Jokes - A Joke a Day: http://www.ajokeaday.com/Clasificacion.asp?ID=59; Mozart Decomposing: Musician Jokes at Jokes.Net: http://www.jokes.net/mozartdecomposing.htm

02:17:46 BingoBoingo: So for purposes where linux is not readily replaced by a BSD I might need a new flavor. Is gentoo the consensus sane choice?

02:18:04 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: forget consensus

02:18:20 BingoBoingo: That's a good point.

02:18:33 asciilifeform: i personally like gentoo because i'm a *bsd exile.

02:18:37 asciilifeform: your mileage may vary.

02:18:45 benkay: what exiled you from bsd?

02:18:53 asciilifeform: hardware support

02:19:07 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ThickasTheives Altcoin is holding me back.

02:19:08 gribble: The operation succeeded.

02:20:12 asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting

02:20:20 BingoBoingo: I'm also wondering did firefox crash because of tabs or because of Cryptome. Cryptome crashing Firefox seems like a sloppy thing, but then aain they passed Snowden on the background check

02:20:26 asciilifeform: you'll have problems you never knew existed - in exchange for various plus

02:20:47 dub: ff crashed because ff

02:21:21 BingoBoingo: I embrace bad life decisions like that. I detest Bicycles though because they endager nerves that are too valuable...

02:21:34 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo - understand that not all crashes are exploitable

02:21:40 BingoBoingo: ANd instead drive a plastic car.

02:22:33 asciilifeform: the choice of what kind of wheeled coffin to perish in is an intensely personal matter...

02:23:54 BingoBoingo: It isn't just that it crashed, it is that it can't copy /var into a .tar.gz in a timely manner.

02:23:54 BingoBoingo: Even if it isn't exploited it sucks around the edges.

02:24:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hanging on locked file?

02:24:45 Namworld: At last. Each time I tried to reconnect I was disconnected after like 1 second.

02:25:10 BingoBoingo: Nah, hanging, because blocking itself in a controlled way. One core is at 100% the other lazing like usual.

02:29:24 benkay: wb Namworld

02:30:06 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re: choice of softs: helps to sit and think about what you actually want from the machine, other than heating the room

02:30:56 asciilifeform: (not only about what you don't want)

02:32:00 BingoBoingo: Hmmm... OpenSolaris has a Linux compatibility layer and I like CDE... Never tried it on the Portable yet...

02:32:21 BingoBoingo: Imma drink moar and think about it.

02:32:28 asciilifeform: for a masochist - minix...

02:32:43 asciilifeform: ;;google men were men and wrote own device drivers

02:32:43 gribble: Linus Torvalds - Wikiquote: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds; Free minix-like kernel sources for 386-AT - Google Groups: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.os.minix/4995SivOl9o; Linux Device Drivers, 2nd Edition: Preface - XML.com: http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ch00.html

02:33:39 BingoBoingo: The problem with Minix is when I read a FAQ and they assume a hypervisor... It's like a girl taking off her panties to release the smell of Candida...

02:34:03 asciilifeform: for unsatisfied masochist - 'menuet'

02:34:11 BingoBoingo: A fool me once sort of deal...

02:34:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what minix is that? certainly not the one in my schoolbook

02:34:44 BingoBoingo: Minix 3

02:35:12 asciilifeform: wow, never knew it went retarded

02:35:18 asciilifeform: get '1'

02:35:24 decimation: asciilifeform: so I see you tried kicad - that seems to be the latest open source fad cad

02:35:37 asciilifeform: decimation: now if only it... worked

02:35:43 BingoBoingo: I'd confess I'm tempted to run A/UX on this machine in a hypervisor, but... I don't want this channel to assume stockholm syndrome...

02:35:54 decimation: what part failed - the autorouter?

02:36:14 asciilifeform: decimation: it. and the gui (shits snow on the screen)

02:36:24 asciilifeform: i suspect they only test under winblows

02:36:45 asciilifeform: took me a week to get it to build, too

02:36:47 decimation: heh. wouldn't suprise me. For some weird reason the only working ee design software runs on windows

02:36:55 decimation: and costs a fortune

02:37:22 asciilifeform: other than cadsoft's. it's rather turdalicious, but usable

02:37:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00085336 = 5.3762 BTC [+]

02:37:41 asciilifeform: in electric world, open source sorta never really happened

02:37:45 decimation: back in my undergrad days we used to use orcad on solaris - I'm sure support for that was dropped long ago

02:37:50 asciilifeform: with possible exception of 'magic'

02:37:52 asciilifeform: (vlsi package)

02:38:06 BingoBoingo: Brb

02:38:14 decimation: well, and 5,000 versions of spice, all of which suck

02:38:46 asciilifeform: 'spice' is pretty good for what it is (mechanism for solving unsolvable problem)

02:39:43 decimation: it's just that no one wants to come up with new ideas for the most part. this qucs thing is the only new idea I've heard about in awhile http://qucs.sourceforge.net/

02:39:44 assbot: Qucs project: Quite Universal Circuit Simulator

02:40:16 asciilifeform: used, wasn't particularly impressed

02:40:17 decimation: wrt the autorouter, I think it is well known in the pcb industry that they all suck

02:40:27 asciilifeform: varying degrees of suction

02:40:33 asciilifeform: the difference is not irrelevant in practice

02:41:01 decimation: seems like that problem is due for a really good ai based solver

02:41:07 asciilifeform: e.g. does it 'let you help', or resists valiantly

02:41:32 asciilifeform: due for a really good ai << np-complete. good luck.

02:41:55 decimation: well, many problems are NP-complete yet significant gains have been made

02:42:13 asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones.

02:42:18 asciilifeform: like kikad's.

02:42:48 decimation: I remember orcad's autorouter was crap back in the day. I would be deeply disappointed to shell out $$$ and have crapware

02:43:18 asciilifeform: decimation: the field suffers from 'golden toilet' problem

02:43:21 BingoBoingo: My this looks so much better (Plz noone try to send me N.vir over client to client)...

02:43:28 asciilifeform: i.e. 100% of users are paying out of someone else's pocket

02:44:37 decimation: yeah that's a good point, that's why the software companies get away with charging $$$ for crapware

02:44:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]

02:44:47 asciilifeform: 'enterprise!'

02:44:48 decimation: "we'll fix it in in the next release, etc"

02:45:15 decimation: Today I went snorkeling in the shadow of Larry Ellison's private island

02:45:16 BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon"

02:46:10 decimation: it amazes me that crapware can buy a such real estate

02:46:31 *: BingoBoingo wonder this if this nest of lies within lies can work on the portable...

02:47:19 asciilifeform: the real nasty re: orcad isn't the cost (leech it) but that you end up in an os with no sane infrastructure (where's grep? etc)

02:47:36 asciilifeform: and condemned to use various cockeyed substitutes provided 'helpfully' by the turdware folk

02:47:54 BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure one of these layers have grep....

02:48:13 asciilifeform: at one point, some years ago, i tried to build the turd intel was passing off as their version of 'open source bios'

02:48:22 asciilifeform: not only did it not build, but the entire tool chain was... winblows

02:48:30 asciilifeform: MB of... .bat script

02:48:35 asciilifeform: and other unspeakables

02:49:05 asciilifeform: if you ever sit and 'my life suxx', consider that people... live with this

02:49:16 BingoBoingo: I have to say I constantly under rate the Sun 5

02:49:35 decimation: from surfing the various VHDL crapware packages, it seems the universal language for automation is... tcl

02:49:52 BingoBoingo: decimation: Blame Sun for Tcl

02:50:19 BingoBoingo: Their promotion of TCL is what pushed them into making and forcing Java

02:50:27 BingoBoingo: And now the world burns

02:50:36 asciilifeform: ask why there is a desert, not why the oasis is a puddle of piss

02:51:02 asciilifeform: (camel gotta piss)

02:51:06 BingoBoingo: Or Maybe just I burn, because I need to rotate this pizza box that has been running for months.

02:51:25 decimation: amazingly, the overlap between those who know how to actually program and those who demand design software is nearly the null set

02:51:25 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:52:18 BingoBoingo: Also amazing is how there is no effort to educate people into the overlap

02:52:18 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

02:52:28 decimation: something other than market forces are operating here

02:52:43 asciilifeform: educate whom? the chinese folks graduating from american schools, who will design with a crayon if ordered to?

02:52:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00085575 = 6.1614 BTC [+]

02:53:04 asciilifeform: the set of folks who design hardware and actually give a shit about workflow (or their lives) is approximately null.

02:53:25 BingoBoingo: Of course the chinese (and Indian) folks

02:53:35 decimation: about a third of my us ee undergrad class was chinese (like off the boat, not second generation). Most of them couldn't design anything, but they generally aced the math tests

02:55:11 asciilifeform: cad app is one of those cases where a 'proper' solution involves essentially re-creating a smbx box

02:55:22 asciilifeform: on top of whatever os you're stuck with

02:55:22 BingoBoingo: "Smoking rock candy is a great way to gain all the social benefits of meth use with none of the open sores.

02:55:22 BingoBoingo: Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_21183_6-unexpected-things-i-learned-from-being-drug-dealer_p2.html#ixzz34INw2rHH

02:55:22 assbot: 6 Unexpected Things I Learned From Being a Drug Dealer | Cracked.com

02:55:22 BingoBoingo: "

02:55:52 BingoBoingo: Y tu Sun 5

02:55:56 decimation: ascii that is a good insight (lack of engineers caring about their own lives), the irony is that those who are designing hardware generally care an aweful lot about the efficiency of their design target

02:55:58 asciilifeform: (in approximately the same way emacs does)

02:56:12 asciilifeform: decimation: by and large they care about... paycheck

02:57:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from your link: http://www.cracked.com/article_21165_6-works-propaganda-that-backfired-in-hilarious-ways.html

02:57:18 assbot: 6 Works of Propaganda That Backfired in Hilarious Ways | Cracked.com

02:57:37 decimation: ascii as in super mario brothers?

02:57:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.24 = 1.92 BTC [+]

03:01:48 asciilifeform: decimation: ?

03:01:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.24979999 = 0.9992 BTC [+]

03:02:01 BingoBoingo: I have a feeling many famous last words begin with "I'm switching to CERN linux, no way the NSA fucks with science..."

03:04:18 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was it price of principle that kept the symbolics pagemaster from parting with their schematics...

03:04:36 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: afaik he's a sworn vassal of the estate. and some bozo bought it.

03:04:54 decimation: What did you mean by "SMBX"?

03:04:57 decimation: ;;google smbx box

03:04:58 gribble: SMBX Tutorial: How to make a message box - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwSWoo00A1U; SMBX Level Editor Tutorial | Advanced | Layers & Events - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGDBkUBKkQU; Super Mario Bros X - Cheat Codes - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhm8qwjlPQM

03:05:03 asciilifeform: symbolics corp.

03:05:08 decimation: ah

03:05:10 asciilifeform: used to be on 'nasdaq' as smbx

03:05:38 BingoBoingo: ;;google adam sandler "the price is wrong"

03:05:39 gribble: The Price Is Wrong, Bitch - Happy Gilmore (8/9) Movie CLIP (1996 ...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QJiAK-s5a0; The Price is Wrong - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L6Uz67u4xM; The Price Is Wrong Bitch GIFs on Giphy: http://giphy.com/search/the-price-is-wrong-bitch

03:05:56 decimation: apparently there is a massive demoer scene for super mario brothers X

03:06:12 decimation: goes to show how forgotten symbolics is I guess

03:06:42 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.symbolics-dks.com

03:07:22 asciilifeform: david lives in a little house, generously stocked with parts, and fixes the remaining machines for a modest fee.

03:07:39 asciilifeform: not sure if he has any left to sell these days

03:07:57 asciilifeform: but if he does, and you want one, he'll pick up phone, invite you over.

03:08:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6894 @ 0.00085334 = 5.8829 BTC [-] {2}

03:08:25 asciilifeform: (that's where i got mine)

03:08:59 asciilifeform: the man is in his 80s i think

03:09:37 BingoBoingo: A drive sounds tempting atm, furthest east I;ve been is 'New Harmony" Indiana. I still need to drink on this matter some more.

03:09:42 asciilifeform: the only other 'playing characters' in the outfit are, afaik, a fellow named kalman reti (software support; wrote the x86-64 emu)

03:09:54 asciilifeform: and, of course, the owner.

03:10:21 BingoBoingo: Reti did that beautiful presentation you embeded.

03:10:21 asciilifeform: for some years, it was a new york (?) serial con man, who bought and sold corpses of old companies

03:10:25 asciilifeform: died with millions in debt

03:10:41 asciilifeform: even had artificial heart, bought on a kited cheque

03:10:51 decimation: I wonder if you can run modern emacs on one of those things

03:10:53 decimation: lol

03:10:54 asciilifeform: didn't know a thing about computers

03:11:10 decimation: reminds me of that "rabite" guy that MP recently unarchived

03:11:25 BingoBoingo: rabite is a different monster...

03:12:01 asciilifeform: a source that didn't want to be named told me that one dr john mallery (mit) bought it for fire sale price

03:12:07 asciilifeform: after topping (con man) died

03:12:19 asciilifeform: mallery wrote cl-http, infamous for draconian license

03:12:26 asciilifeform: for some years it ran www.whitehouse

03:12:34 BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz.

03:13:25 asciilifeform: mallery is a 'man of wealth and taste', possibly consults for nsa & friends.

03:13:50 decimation: wouldn't be surprising. USG has all kinds of ancient irreplacable computer systems

03:14:01 BingoBoingo: Wealth in itself is nothing without taste.

03:14:07 asciilifeform: what the present-day symbolics corp. is for is not a secret:

03:15:10 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I envy you that Sympolics ended on a high note and Apple outlived its masterpiece the SE/30.

03:15:56 asciilifeform: http://usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7B%22search_term%22%3A%22SYMBOLICS+TECHNOLOGY+INCORPORATED%22%2C%22recipient_duns%22%3A%5B%22966978090%22%5D%7D&sort_by=dollars&per_page=25

03:16:41 asciilifeform: it brings in a few $10k/yr in maintenance contracts, dated into eternity

03:17:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.024386 = 0.1463 BTC [-]

03:17:26 decimation: Interesting. Fort Belvoir. Someone in DoD is a fan of these things

03:17:44 asciilifeform: decimation: if i recall, they do cartography there

03:18:11 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months?

03:18:34 asciilifeform: can't say that i can

03:19:06 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's my Urbit one. Apparently the Google/NSA complex really dislikes Nock too....

03:19:28 asciilifeform: re: symbolics: if anyone has a $mil or two in their sofa cushions, can probably buy it. but then you'll be conscripted into supporting the ancient contracts.

03:19:42 asciilifeform: it's worth about what a decent restaurant in a small town is.

03:19:53 BingoBoingo: So... $10 mill can piss on the contracts?

03:20:33 asciilifeform: i doubt the contract will be honoured when dks finally succumbs to old age

03:20:45 asciilifeform: there is scarcely anyone left alive who could take his work

03:21:04 decimation: well, $10k per year is hardly worth much. but if one could resurrect the whole project, complete with hardware...

03:21:17 asciilifeform: it's more like 40-50k

03:21:21 BingoBoingo: Can and Can pretend, this distinction enabled the F-35

03:21:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: unlike the airplane folks, this is a case where the rubber actually hits the road. there's a couple dozen ancient boxes, that cannot be replaced.

03:22:48 asciilifeform: proggys dating to gulf war 1 (at least) for which there will be no substitute

03:22:49 asciilifeform: etc

03:22:57 decimation: well, the can be "replaced", FAA style

03:23:03 asciilifeform: sure

03:23:15 asciilifeform: AmEx was once the largest customer of smbx

03:23:17 BingoBoingo: Airplanes hit the road as well. I hope I can find a kind Brazillian tribe to adopt a pastie like me when America surrenders the world's only successful CAS plane.

03:23:30 decimation: these people have been "replacing" routing software since the 90's http://hf.tc.faa.gov/projects/stars.htm

03:23:31 assbot: Standard Terminal Automation Replacement System (STARS)

03:23:34 asciilifeform: they sold thousands of surplus boxes when they moved to some 'enterprise' crudware

03:24:27 decimation: this reminds me of the "point of sale" system upgrades I've witnessed at various US bodegas

03:24:41 asciilifeform: (the lisp machines ran a fraud detector heuristic gizmo, afaik the first of its kind.)

03:24:55 decimation: old mainframe based serial terminals - reliable and invulnerable to hackers (at least, at the lowest layers)

03:25:04 BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog???

03:25:17 decimation: how could any thinking person consider a winblows interface an 'upgrade'?

03:26:07 decimation: using a mouse on a cash register is going to be demonstrably slower for data entry for one thing

03:26:07 asciilifeform: the way this usually works is that old vendor (say, ibm) either 'end of lifes' or decides to charge a fortune for support

03:26:14 asciilifeform: microshit comes and offers to 'help'

03:26:15 BingoBoingo: decimation: THe use case I find for fancier DE's over wimple wm's is portables. Smaller the machine the more pointy clicky is a benefit.

03:26:15 asciilifeform: etc

03:26:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00085386 = 7.514 BTC [+] {3}

03:26:54 decimation: well portable ipad based bodegas or whatever are a corner case. I'm talking about Target

03:26:57 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on the contrary, using portables as a student is what got me using 'ratpoison'

03:27:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try using 'clitoral mouse' on the old toshibas, for example

03:27:21 decimation: I wonder if whoever decided to "upgrade" the target POS system to winblows was fired or promoted?

03:27:49 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Really. Clitoral mouse pushes me into a left side xfce panel.

03:28:11 BingoBoingo: Cwm makes me want a real keyboard.

03:28:11 decimation: I recently decided to force myself to use emacs for sole text editor, took me about a week to get the movement stuff down. THere's no excuse for a cash register not to be purely keyboard basd

03:28:49 asciilifeform: decimation: nothing like the target corp. 'hack' takes place without the cooperation of managerial traitors

03:28:51 BingoBoingo: decimation: What about bar codes. Reisters are run by tards.

03:29:25 decimation: bar code readers are a trival add-on character device

03:29:31 BingoBoingo: Also.. am I actually drunk or am I coding messages...

03:30:13 decimation: I remember my high school days worked at the local library - used IBM serial terminal with "scan gun" that would insert code at the appropriate spot on the terminal screen

03:30:14 BingoBoingo: And when the hell will Pinay cam girls start shaving...

03:30:44 asciilifeform: decimation: i distinctly recall when the libraries here went winblows

03:31:04 asciilifeform: threw out hundreds of perfectly good ibm green screens

03:31:19 decimation: yeah exactly with great model m style keyboards

03:31:33 decimation: I think unisys bought the main library vendor

03:31:49 BingoBoingo: I still can't fucking believe RDF beat Dublin core.

03:32:19 BingoBoingo: LIke Nigbungu brainwashed everyone.

03:33:05 BingoBoingo: And I have yet to verify a nigger with black skin. I've only met white niggers.

03:35:01 decimation: re: managerial traitors : the problem is that somehow standard criminal and civil liability law doesn't apply for some reason

03:35:28 asciilifeform: decimation: u.s. software industry was essentially exempted from ordinary consumer liability by statute some time in the '80s

03:35:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2498 = 1.249 BTC [+]

03:35:56 asciilifeform: don't make the mistake of thinking of this as a 'prime mover' though

03:36:13 asciilifeform: the bureaucrats simply bent under the weight of the seemingly inevitable

03:36:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.024389 = 0.9512 BTC [+]

03:36:55 BingoBoingo: Eh, come Septemeber one project of mine might consist of making interesting case law. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/08/inconvenience/

03:36:57 assbot: Inconvenience | Bingo Blog

03:37:11 decimation: for example, I read this story in the morning paper: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/25730375/estate-of-late-state-health-director-files

03:37:11 assbot: Estate of Loretta Fuddy, state health director killed in plane c - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL

03:37:50 decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water)

03:37:57 BingoBoingo: Are there any lawyers in the Illinois bar here? I'd be interested in making contact if so.

03:38:16 asciilifeform: that makes what, 6? 7? 'interesting' people died in private airplanes in the past year or two

03:38:23 asciilifeform: in usa.

03:38:34 decimation: her estate is suing pratt & whittney for not having fixed the "forseeable" problem of the metal fatigue destroying a prop

03:38:53 BingoBoingo: Fuck, I've have never been measured having a "normal" heart beat.

03:39:17 decimation: how the hell does she get the right to sue a real engine maker, yet no one can sue larry ellison (she died not far from his private hawaiian island)

03:40:03 BingoBoingo: Because Pratt is in the engine industry and Ellison is in the problem industry.

03:40:45 BingoBoingo: Also aside from torsades de points no ununsual heart beats are that... rare

03:41:36 asciilifeform: what are they to do - sue the nice folks who put the thermite limpet in the turbine the night before?

03:41:51 decimation: well, "died of cardiac arrythmia" could be more properly stated as "died of being old, fat and out of shape"

03:42:34 BingoBoingo: Some people therapeutically have abnormal heartbeats

03:42:35 asciilifeform: or should they sue the bartender who mixed the a saxitoxin cocktail?

03:42:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.024389 = 0.4878 BTC [+]

03:42:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.251 = 0.502 BTC [+] {2}

03:43:06 decimation: yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices

03:43:52 BingoBoingo: What devices, hearts are easy to treat pharmaceutically. Hearts are awfully deterministic for organic machines.

03:44:01 decimation: ascii, I'm reluctant to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon because the usg seems unable to accomplish anything "good" very well

03:44:11 decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well?

03:44:17 *: asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun

03:44:28 decimation: or fall out of a building

03:45:17 asciilifeform: that, etc.

03:45:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.00229936 = 0.1012 BTC [-]

03:46:50 asciilifeform: at the rate the bureaucrats work, might die of old age. can never get quality service around here!

03:46:53 BingoBoingo: All of those are too obvious vor contemporary assassinations. What about was prescribed too much Vitamin D3?

03:48:04 BingoBoingo: Is no one creative anymore?

03:48:33 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bunch of folks in ussr once died from vitamin d overdose. a tank of it was stolen and sold as 'cooking oil' (has roughly the correct appearance and consistency)

03:48:51 BingoBoingo: It does indeed

03:49:34 asciilifeform: interestingly no mention of this on pediwikia

03:50:09 asciilifeform: the case was an interesting one, in that it was initially treated as epidemic

03:50:29 asciilifeform: they ended up having to call in the soviet equivalent of a 'pinkerton' to crack the puzzle

03:50:37 asciilifeform: (what did the corpses have in common)

03:50:47 BingoBoingo: Well, my father liked to see records of how much strontium 90 us younguns got growing up. A few weeks after a med adjustment his heart gave out, but he had great bones...

03:51:10 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see also the death of slobodan m.

03:52:16 asciilifeform: (conveniently given the 'opposite' heart rate med shortly before he was to testify)

03:53:45 BingoBoingo: The thing is I would have had no idea until I was accidentallied the pharmacy school's microphone slave.

03:54:20 BingoBoingo: Then again people with ideas are idiots.

03:57:29 BingoBoingo: I seriously wonder what will happen now at the late August court date since... I am not an idiot and the acting DA should not be an idiot and is not inocent.

03:57:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02777999 = 0.1389 BTC [-] {3}

03:57:54 BingoBoingo: I mean the Federalk government has all of these weird laws to blow the whistle on.

03:58:22 BingoBoingo: Most people can survive the regime on civilized arrangements.

03:58:54 BingoBoingo: !up justusranvier

03:59:05 BingoBoingo: justusranvier: Plz say your dog is okay.

03:59:06 asciilifeform: i often wonder how many people go to bed every night, with not one nailgun wound, disappointed at their insignificance

03:59:53 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've been dping that since the not at all secret saturday reveal. I am disappoint

03:59:55 asciilifeform: 'i'm still alive, must be a tard'

04:00:19 BingoBoingo: Indeed. My new alias is Tater Totz

04:00:30 BingoBoingo: Fuck me

04:00:37 BingoBoingo: I suck

04:01:00 BingoBoingo: Oh, someone else is using the nick Tater Totz

04:01:19 BingoBoingo: This... must really suck for them...

04:01:46 *: asciilifeform doesn't get the reference - or really want to

04:02:11 justusranvier: BingoBoingo: She is ok

04:02:22 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The reference is merely to the pseudo source of carbo hydrates.

04:02:28 BingoBoingo: justusranvier: That is great.

04:02:41 justusranvier: Suppose I should tweet a follow up

04:02:51 BingoBoingo: Dogs are too much better than us to suffer much

04:07:35 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/476576385796825088

04:07:36 assbot: I'm a big Matt Carpenter fan. But, for Pete's sake, swing the bat! /hashtag/stlcards?src=hash

04:07:48 justusranvier: I am rather fond of them but I wouldn't go so far as to say "better than us".

04:08:29 BingoBoingo: justusranvier: Name a single person other people would knwo who inheres the property of being innocent...

04:09:21 justusranvier: BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/476575872636289024

04:09:22 assbot: She's doing much better than a few days ago. http://t.co/0DRu2ae1qD

04:09:28 BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/cfarivar/status/476491781614624768

04:09:29 assbot: It's not everyday you get a letter from the NSA. :-) /hashtag/FOIA?src=hash http://t.co/nmXYFpF8CS

04:09:58 BingoBoingo: Thank you justusranvier

04:10:06 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/ <<

04:10:07 assbot: On The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations to Why the Worst Get on Top) pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:10:10 mircea_popescu: mp proudly presents.

04:10:51 BingoBoingo: That is some hella timing

04:12:06 BingoBoingo: Also, I am probably never refering to canonical's product ever again as anything but nigbuntu. Even Windows is almost better.

04:12:34 mircea_popescu: lol

04:12:40 mircea_popescu: but why nig ?

04:13:28 BingoBoingo: Because in dutch "nig" and "ignorant" resolve to the same root word.

04:13:52 mircea_popescu: oic.

04:14:29 mircea_popescu: mike_c: i do :) i should clean up some of my scripts and publish them sometime.. << prolly.

04:15:44 BingoBoingo: Also, seriously, nothing was logging system faults. I share some blame for not ensuring this, but... Who the fuck did I expect to do this.

04:16:11 BingoBoingo: Lazy ass watermelon eating Mark Shuttleworth.

04:16:29 mircea_popescu: hm, syslog ?

04:16:37 BingoBoingo: Makes me hope there is NEVER a new Rhodesia.

04:17:01 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Firefox crashed opening a cryptome link.

04:17:30 mircea_popescu: uh

04:17:40 mircea_popescu: that's not likely a kernel errror

04:18:26 asciilifeform: if all (even userland) crashes were exploitable - we'd all be rich

04:18:36 asciilifeform: (or just very sad)

04:19:33 BingoBoingo: I assumed all crashes were logged, but I was too niggardly to make sure.

04:20:11 BingoBoingo: Now I'm connected to IRC through a pile of lies.

04:20:16 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

04:20:18 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/186BRM9.txt )

04:20:18 mircea_popescu: !b 2

04:20:35 asciilifeform: ratio of crashes to useful (exploitable) crashes is roughly like kimberlite to diamond.

04:20:57 BingoBoingo: Explain those minerals in Eve terms...

04:21:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://fraudsters.com/2014/on-the-superiority-of-monarchy-or-adnotations-to-why-the-worst-get-on-top/

04:21:28 BingoBoingo: Also... I'm glad I never turn the Ultra 5 off

04:21:38 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: volcanic rock, found in za

04:23:20 mircea_popescu: davout: do i read this one correctly or is euronext valued somewhere around a fifth of whatsapp << if you believe the numbers, yes.

04:23:52 BingoBoingo: Za mean nothing now that South africa has the abreviation. Where did the great Rhodesia go???

04:24:12 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust nkuttler

04:24:13 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nkuttler!~nkuttler@unaffiliated/nkuttler. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nkuttler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nkuttler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nkuttler | Rated since: Mon Apr 8 17:12:48 2013

04:24:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally you can still get '.su'

04:24:50 BingoBoingo: Wake me up when I can get .nig

04:25:02 BingoBoingo: SHort for shuttleworth

04:25:19 asciilifeform: wonder who will have '.us' a decade hence

04:25:54 BingoBoingo: Never since Adrian IV has someone squandered prominence as much as Shuttlecock has.

04:26:38 mircea_popescu: !up joesmoe

04:27:07 mircea_popescu: to auto-voice you need to a) identify with gribble. you don't need gpg for this, tho gpg works. you can also identify with your btc address ; b) be in assbot's l2 trust.

04:27:12 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe

04:27:12 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013

04:27:23 mircea_popescu: you currently are not, which is why assbot isn't upping you.

04:28:39 joecool: ;;gettrust assbot joecool

04:28:40 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011

04:28:41 BingoBoingo: Through this mess of VM's I'll also say the portale's original Mobo is dead. Fuck you '12 BIOS update.

04:28:44 mircea_popescu: punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=634283.0 << holy shit that 2nd post reads like yahoo answers

04:28:45 assbot: Where i can sell my business plans and ideas about bitcoin and its dev?

04:28:52 mircea_popescu: they've created their own community alright.

04:28:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's post: f?hrerprinzip, it works. preaching to choir?

04:29:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im justannoyed that people like mises and hayek, ultimate fucking socialists, are represented as some sort of anti-socialism.

04:29:48 mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit, collectivists arguing with each other as to the proper way to the gallows, pretending like it's a world.

04:30:01 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, ~= 'единоначалие'. how do you say 'führerprinzip' in english? 'steve jobs' ?

04:30:39 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think these are the same tbh.

04:30:55 asciilifeform: true

04:31:05 asciilifeform: if they were, there'd be no need to learn languages

04:31:13 mircea_popescu: there's this very active, latin approach to leadership that i object to.

04:31:20 mircea_popescu: your leader is not fucking here to tell you what to do.

04:31:26 asciilifeform: i like to call it 'playing civ-1'

04:31:32 mircea_popescu: it's exhausting.

04:31:50 asciilifeform: stalin was never more frustrated and ineffective than when he played civ1

04:32:01 mircea_popescu: lol

04:32:20 mircea_popescu: what, on the early years of the front?

04:32:34 asciilifeform: there, and occasionally at home

04:35:59 BingoBoingo: My favorite part of C machines is their capacity for deception.

04:36:25 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: cant they make it any longer << lmao

04:37:10 mircea_popescu: jurov: bitcoin is registered trademark nao << always has been. by... mtgox. bcause... "it;'s better someone with bitcoin's interests at heart have the tm than someone random"

04:37:33 mircea_popescu: now it will be bought for pennies in a court auction, and you will ALL have to be on my pissing on patents submarine, willy-nilly.

04:37:47 mircea_popescu: well, the dorks that made bitcoin* stuff, at any rate.

04:38:05 asciilifeform: cue the 'we live in submarine' song

04:40:32 mircea_popescu: drawingthesun: I shudder to think what people have said about ActiveMining here << lol fluffypony who's she ?

04:40:34 mircea_popescu: !up drawingthesun

04:40:37 BingoBoingo: It is truly amazing what happens when you walk a disgraced judge's steps backwards a few steps.

04:40:37 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

04:41:51 mircea_popescu: pankkake: French hair salons love word plays in their names. it's ridiculous << the lumbar yard!

04:42:38 BingoBoingo: I know I've played chess here a few times. In the interim have batter cess players found their way here?

04:43:35 BingoBoingo: moiety???

04:43:49 mircea_popescu: mnope

04:43:53 mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety

04:43:53 BingoBoingo: Ah

04:43:54 gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 12 hours, 19 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <moiety> ok moving time, see yous later!

04:44:01 mircea_popescu: wonder what happened to her

04:44:12 BingoBoingo: Prolly Phone blindness

04:44:28 asciilifeform: finally bought manul ?

04:45:00 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Manul won't counter my Pirc defense with an Austrian attack so boring...

04:45:00 asciilifeform: (phun phact. last i checked, you can legally own and keep any animal you wish in a moscow apartment.)

04:45:27 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Same holds in Missouri.

04:45:37 asciilifeform: there's a clip somewhere of a happy owner of siberian lynx in a little flat there.

04:45:46 asciilifeform: 8th floor.

04:45:57 BingoBoingo: Missouri is the only US state that keeps the promise.

04:46:08 asciilifeform: (new meaning for tired old 'longcat is long')

04:49:24 penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-updates-imperial-monarch-might-ship-600gh-model-now/

04:51:45 decimation: mircea_popescu - your intro to the Hayek post calls to mind Mr. Moldbug's point about "chronic kinglessness"

04:52:29 decimation: most of the west would be unable to pass the test of being willing to happily die for the wishes of a particular man or set of men

04:52:55 asciilifeform: decimation: carlyle, evola, ..., ..., limonov, moldy... if one were to spit out all the folks who complained about kinglessness, freenode will boot you for flooding

04:53:48 decimation: yeah, when you think clearly about the nature of soveriegnty, it becomes obvious

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04:55:40 decimation: also, modern china, singapore, dubai, etc show that "totalitarianism" (lack of collectivism?) is hardly a barrier to economic development

04:57:31 asciilifeform: 'All cannot play the king, and a host of leaders is no wise thing. Let us have but the one leader, the one true king...' - homer's iliad, part ii

04:57:34 asciilifeform: etc

04:59:01 asciilifeform: decimation: the subject of democracy as a successful parasite on wealthy nations was beaten to death by countless people.

04:59:13 asciilifeform: before mr. m touched it

04:59:42 asciilifeform: somehow he gets credited with it by the reddit folks, sorta like tim leary getting credit for lsd

05:00:04 asciilifeform: (most americans seem to think that leary discovered it)

05:00:48 decimation: yeah that's a good point. I guess the reason I "credit" him is because he was the one who brought me out of my ignorance on the subject

05:00:49 *: BingoBoingo actually had a grad class that spent a few weeks on the Leary papers.

05:01:11 decimation: but there is no doubt that it is ancient complaint

05:02:29 asciilifeform: pity he couldn't stop at popularizing and had to mix in assorted crud.

05:03:27 asciilifeform: when we make monkey noises at moldbug, have to remember, the man perhaps should not be held responsible for his audience

05:03:30 mircea_popescu: decimation how;s that one go ?

05:03:50 asciilifeform: 'you go to war with the enemy you had, not the enemy you wish you had' - or how'd that go.

05:04:14 decimation: the complaint about the degenerate nature of democracy (and its various aliases)?

05:04:26 mircea_popescu: the irony being that democracy works fine... here.

05:04:35 mircea_popescu: among people who comprehend the nature of freedom, so to speak.

05:04:46 mircea_popescu: which is notreally distinct from the nature of sovereignity.

05:04:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00006623 = 0.1325 BTC [-]

05:05:33 BingoBoingo: There are geographic anamalies that break democracies and republics, the premier example of which is Illinois.

05:05:36 asciilifeform: incidentally, old russian folk phrase for a fool, 'без царя в голове' - literally, 'without a king in his head' is useful & applicable

05:05:54 asciilifeform: sovereignty starts 'at home'

05:05:58 mircea_popescu: pretty much

05:06:18 asciilifeform: some american or other wrote about 'femtoeconomics' - keeping order in your own brain, i think it was

05:06:21 asciilifeform: perhaps similar concept

05:06:49 decimation: my brain recalls moldbug's discussion of cis vs. trans democracy

05:08:04 asciilifeform: mr mold sometimes reminds me of a kid, given a chess set but with no notion of the game, treating the pieces as a curious kind of marble / blunt or pointed weapon.

05:08:37 decimation: yeah, he has mastered that "alien" form of thinking

05:09:21 BingoBoingo: WTF is cs vs. trans. SHould be dex vs. levo...

05:09:57 decimation: well, I don't think he's an expert chemist...

05:10:42 asciilifeform: obligatory:

05:10:43 asciilifeform: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm

05:10:44 assbot: Why is there Anti-Intellectualism?

05:11:07 BingoBoingo: That isn't expert shit, that is learning things rotate shit.

05:11:21 asciilifeform: 'It is useful, however, to distinguish between tinkering and creativity...'

05:11:44 asciilifeform: '...The tragedy of our society is not that so many people outgrow their childlike curiosity, but that so few do. The adult equivalent of childlike curiosity is channel surfing and the ten-second sound bite.'

05:13:17 mircea_popescu: not a bad observation.

05:13:27 mircea_popescu: too many kids running around, raising kids of their own

05:19:59 decimation: asciilifeform, that's a brilliant essay, thanks for the link.

05:20:21 decimation: It strikes me that curiousity is a feature of genetic expression

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05:23:12 BingoBoingo: !up Ukyo

05:26:02 mircea_popescu: decimation indeed it is.

05:26:12 mircea_popescu: that's also why it continues to exist after havingkilled numerous cats

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05:36:15 BingoBoingo: %ticker

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05:41:54 BingoBoingo: OMG

05:47:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0243847 = 0.1219 BTC [-]

06:10:18 mircea_popescu: "Sub-Saharan Africans never discovered Madagascar. Madagascar was settled initially by sailors from Indonesia"

06:10:35 mircea_popescu: perhaps some reparations are in order.

06:10:51 mircea_popescu: Africans never discovered nearby islands like the Cape Verde archipelago.

06:14:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00085347 = 4.6087 BTC [-]

06:23:02 mircea_popescu: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/whyantiint.htm << splendid read indeed.

06:23:03 assbot: Why is there Anti-Intellectualism?

06:23:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.00085347 = 0.2134 BTC [-]

06:44:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07035599 = 0.6332 BTC [-] {2}

06:45:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06988 = 0.6988 BTC [-] {5}

06:46:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0700002 = 0.28 BTC [+]

06:56:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085609 = 0.6849 BTC [+]

07:01:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07 = 1.54 BTC [-]

07:02:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00085609 = 9.5026 BTC [+]

07:11:07 dub: is buttpay having issues anyone is aware of?

07:11:21 dub: namecheap can't take my coinz

07:12:05 fluffypony: dub: I made a BTC payment to NameCheap yesterday

07:12:13 fluffypony: what's it doing?

07:17:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-]

07:18:02 dub: not happneing, they have acknowledged a problem

07:18:06 fluffypony: kk

07:21:28 dub: http://status.namecheap.com/?p=15985

07:21:29 assbot: Namecheap Status » [Updated] BitCoin Connectivity Issues

07:24:49 fluffypony: that's annoying

07:25:00 dub: indeed

07:28:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 11 @ 0.02890909 = 0.318 BTC [+] {2}

07:35:03 fluffypony: rice boys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z2K2lCgbXw

07:35:03 assbot: Who needs air? (Better Quality) - YouTube

07:41:43 decimation: for those innocent of the subject, here's a video that gives a taste of the Chinese dominance of the electronics market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBtRJc-z05k

07:41:43 assbot: Electronics shops in Hua Qiang Bei, Shenzhen, China - YouTube

07:44:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00085639 = 2.8261 BTC [+]

07:46:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 80 @ 0.01801326 = 1.4411 BTC [-] {9}

07:50:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.02439593 = 1.6589 BTC [+] {5}

07:58:44 davout: good morning

07:58:56 fluffypony: morningz

07:59:17 Naphex: morning

07:59:58 davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot!

07:59:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

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08:15:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.25888887 = 0.5178 BTC [+]

08:16:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2608 = 1.304 BTC [+] {2}

08:32:53 pankkake: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5265047&cid=47207157

08:32:54 assbot: Firefox 30 Available, Firebug 2.0 Released - Slashdot

08:40:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 650 @ 0.00085609 = 0.5565 BTC [-]

09:21:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00085442 = 1.7943 BTC [-]

09:55:45 davout: kakobrekla: isn't that a little unclear? -> http://bitbet.us/bet/897/s-mg-profitable-in-2014/

09:55:45 assbot: BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`875 (100`000 to 1)

09:56:12 pankkake: "If the most optimistic predictions for am's performance come true, I will be able to cover my losses from virtually every other garbage scheme I bought into, plus some." bitcointalk, still looking at a bailout

09:56:18 davout: as in, it can have revenue but still be unprofitable due to expenses

09:56:18 pankkake: s/at/for/

09:56:46 fluffypony: lol

10:00:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 17 @ 0.0299999 = 0.51 BTC [+]

10:05:00 chetty: It?s hard to deny just how poorly Chicago?s public schools are performing when it hits you in the face. Such is the case with Paul Robeson High School?s 2014 prom theme: ?This is Are Story.?

10:06:01 pankkake: :o thanks obama!

10:13:20 Mats_cd03: they meant to do it, i promise

10:14:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 122 @ 0.01800022 = 2.196 BTC [-] {3}

10:15:01 chetty: pankkake, to be fair Obama hasn't been around long enough to ruin the HS kids

10:15:20 dub: but blame africa

10:15:51 pankkake: but he's from Chicago right?

10:16:29 chetty: well he didn't go to HS there, but if he did that might explain a lot

10:16:34 Mats_cd03: barely

10:16:47 dub: its a story about pirates

10:17:48 chetty: now heres one to feed the fear: http://witscience.org/analysis-of-radio-frequency-identification-rfid-chip-prevalence-in-3-discrete-united-states-populations/

10:17:49 assbot: Analysis of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) Chip Prevalence in 3 Discrete United States Populations – WIT

10:18:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.261 BTC [+]

10:22:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7761 @ 0.00085426 = 6.6299 BTC [-] {2}

10:27:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0693002 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2}

10:31:44 dub: I'd like to know whats on the chip

10:32:34 dub: one of our american brothers should dump one

10:34:17 chetty: shouldnt be that hard to get a filling replaced and check it out

10:34:39 dub: should be able to just scan it

10:34:44 fluffypony: http://cacr.uwaterloo.ca/techreports/2014/cacr2014-10.pdf

10:34:45 fluffypony: that is awesome

10:38:06 *: dub IPO's the Personal Faraday Cage

10:40:32 fluffypony: lol

10:41:29 dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY

10:41:29 assbot: Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube

11:14:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0698 = 0.698 BTC [+]

11:16:03 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.029999 = 0.21 BTC [-]

11:39:10 pankkake: http://www.lacnic.net/en/web/anuncios/2014-no-hay-mas-direcciones-ipv4-en-lac

11:39:11 assbot: Home - LACNIC

11:41:30 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-betting-kicks-brazil-world-cup/

11:41:30 assbot: Bitcoin Betting Kicks Off for Brazil World Cup

11:41:43 pankkake: no bitbet either

11:43:19 davout: dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzpdABiEbzY <<< old but gold

11:43:19 assbot: Struttergear: Strutter Bubble - YouTube

11:47:29 kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <davout> kakobrekla: isn't that a little unclear? -> http://bitbet.us/bet/897/s-mg-profitable-in-2014/

11:47:29 assbot: BitBet - S.MG profitable in 2014 :: 0.06 B (60%) on Yes, 0.04 B (40%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 99`823 (100`000 to 1)

11:47:30 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:55:15 dub: davout: handome coke sniper is the best

11:55:34 dub: hansom*

11:55:39 davout: watching

11:57:54 davout: dub: amazing

11:57:54 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

12:02:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00085444 = 9.527 BTC [+] {3}

12:08:06 Mats_cd03: ;;ticker

12:08:07 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 630.0, Best ask: 632.07, Bid-ask spread: 2.07000, Last trade: 631.89, 24 hour volume: 7078.38017203, 24 hour low: 627.12, 24 hour high: 654.13, 24 hour vwap: 649.944906232

12:08:14 Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats

12:08:17 gribble: Current Blocks: 305253 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1178 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12243694772.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14359

12:49:10 kakobrekla: !up weenfan

12:49:23 kakobrekla: how stupid is this.

12:57:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.029999 = 0.36 BTC [-]

13:01:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0699 = 0.3495 BTC [+]

13:02:44 assbot: weenfan +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

13:03:03 kakobrekla: !up weenfan

13:03:08 kakobrekla: !up SomeoneWeird

13:04:12 weenfan: :)

13:04:17 kakobrekla: welcome!

13:13:40 fluffypony: kakobrekla: what's stupid?

13:14:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.029 = 0.203 BTC [-]

13:16:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0244 = 0.3172 BTC [+]

13:17:47 kakobrekla: fluffy http://dpaste.com/2J7QFJ6.txt

13:18:42 fluffypony: lol

13:20:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0701255 = 1.4025 BTC [+]

13:23:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07039137 = 0.7039 BTC [+]

13:23:27 Mats_cd03: http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867

13:23:28 assbot: The Argentine bond saga, made simple : SCOTUSblog

13:26:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+]

13:38:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00085349 = 3.9261 BTC [-]

13:42:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0244 = 0.1952 BTC [+]

13:45:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 104 @ 0.00429979 = 0.4472 BTC [-] {2}

13:45:56 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was talk a few yrs ago (russian) regarding a mesh net built on modern radio hardware in mexican mountains. supposedly destroyed (via agenture methods, no fancy tech) << built by the mexican mafia, was it.

13:48:10 mircea_popescu: benkay the totality of russian personnel residing on foreign soil would be the residentura. the subset doing interesting stuff out of them (such as, not the ambassador's personal homebred imported cocksucker - in most places you have to import women as they don't grow locally babes tall enough, blonde enough, fair skinned enough, lithe enough etc etc etc) would be the... agentura.

13:48:16 mircea_popescu: but since we're on it : agentura.ru :D

13:48:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0694053 = 0.4164 BTC [-]

13:49:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085495 = 11.5418 BTC [+] {3}

13:52:39 mircea_popescu: (mostly andrei soldatov, a much more interesting fellow than mossberg, imo)

13:53:16 mircea_popescu: and speaking of mossberg : a google on re/code does NOT pop up the wikipedia page on the top 10 results, like for absolutely any other word with a wikipedia entry.

13:53:33 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it DOES pop a right panel with a summary of mossberg's wikipedia page.

13:53:53 mircea_popescu: someone should put the time into researching the matter, it seems clear to me by now google is entirely manual, they have no algo left at all.

13:54:26 mircea_popescu: basically the 400bn mkt cap company is in its entirety a hundred people trying to maintain a web directory, and we're back to the early 90s over here.

14:00:28 mircea_popescu: diametric: use truecrypt. hehehehe << lol ok. that was worth it :D

14:03:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has an odd penchant for eating byproducts of combusting strange << it's seriously not that healthy.

14:03:45 mircea_popescu: i didn't eat the pork fried on the bible/coran/etc for the record.

14:04:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: gentoo is arguably a 'bad life decision' - like the folks who insist on bicycle for commuting << im interested to hear more of the latter part, do tell ?

14:06:07 mircea_popescu: dub: ff crashed because ff << more specifically, because mozilla co STILL can't make a half decent garbage collector, so they constantly leak memory. yes, even version 69 or w/e they're up to by now.

14:06:47 mircea_popescu: this has fundamental causes in the original training of the people involved with the code, which is why you don't want to learn to computer on bullshit fashionable languages.

14:06:50 pankkake: their garbage collector is better each version, but they add more garbage each version

14:07:13 mircea_popescu: you gotta learn to computer on a language everyone despises, that'll keep you from thinking too much of fucking languages.

14:07:26 mircea_popescu: pankkake haha you have a way with words mr.

14:11:21 mircea_popescu: ok, here's another thing. asciilifeform: there are not (and probably cannot be) 'good' autorouter, but there are plenty of terrible ones. << intuitively it seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not ?

14:11:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gentoo is a source-only distro, where you get to twiddle compiler flags, wait a week for newly-provisioned machine to compile the universe, and - most annoyingly - suffer in the innermost circle of 'dependency hell' where you have to tear up the entire world to build xxxx

14:12:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the latter part. bycicling

14:12:26 mircea_popescu: i know why gentoo sucks :D

14:12:28 asciilifeform: (on account of xxxx depending on yyy which cannot be built with old version of xxxx around, etc. - sometimes 50 packages long 'chain')

14:12:38 asciilifeform: aha

14:13:08 asciilifeform: picture the folks who ride 50km on bicycle in each direction every day

14:13:23 mircea_popescu: but why would it have to be 50km ?

14:13:28 asciilifeform: because usa

14:13:36 mircea_popescu: but that's because non-cycle.

14:13:46 mircea_popescu: in a town designed for walking everyone else does fine.

14:13:55 asciilifeform: obviously true

14:13:55 mircea_popescu: in a town designed for driving nothing ever works.

14:14:12 asciilifeform: also true

14:14:15 mircea_popescu: (yet another fundamentally wrong design decision that sits at the core of the us' failure, and can't be fixed)

14:14:31 asciilifeform: seems to me there should be good autoruters. why not << 'travelling salesman problem'

14:14:56 mircea_popescu: let's start with what autorouter does. it fills in routes you didn't make yourself ?

14:15:04 asciilifeform: correct

14:15:13 asciilifeform: some proggys even try to place components

14:15:18 asciilifeform: (this, afaik, never works)

14:15:37 mircea_popescu: ok so now... the number of possible connections is finite.

14:15:46 mircea_popescu: what's the problem with bruteforcing it ?

14:16:05 asciilifeform: finite human lifespan...

14:16:23 mircea_popescu: maybe that's what i'm not getting. how many routes are there on an average board ? thousands ?

14:16:38 *: asciilifeform peeks at autorouter window mournfully

14:16:47 asciilifeform: thousands.

14:17:16 asciilifeform: but understand, it isn't enough to merely connect things

14:17:29 mircea_popescu: so then what in the fuck. you take an infinite lifespan to try out 10k options on a computer ?

14:17:46 asciilifeform: gotta obey various rules (minimal clearances between various kinds of objects; minimized path lengths; avoid vias like the plague in high-frequency signals; etc)

14:18:10 asciilifeform: sometimes N or more paths have to be of the same length (to 0.1 mm or so) and you end with 'meanders' (look at the bottom side of stick of sdram)

14:18:25 asciilifeform: on top of this, the tracks, vias, components - occupy space

14:18:38 asciilifeform: a via occupies space on all N layers of a board

14:18:47 asciilifeform: (unless it doesn't. called 'blind' via)

14:18:53 asciilifeform: ^ expensive

14:19:26 mircea_popescu: i still think this should be a solvable problem.

14:19:34 *: mircea_popescu is quite naive.

14:19:52 asciilifeform: in practice, it is solvable - in the sense that man applies 'muscle grease' and board gets routed. eventually.

14:20:01 asciilifeform: and the machine's contribution is substantial

14:20:11 asciilifeform: (no one but children, afaik, uses cad without autorouter entirely)

14:20:12 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now.

14:21:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i actually added this to the list of things to do when im old and retired.

14:21:15 mircea_popescu: no fucking way this doesn't have a good solution

14:22:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: MB of... .bat script << the origin of batshit.

14:23:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: things to do << fundamentally we're all making a mistake, of solving salesman problem on von neumann engine. instead,

14:23:53 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#517931

14:23:54 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

14:24:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my intuition is that the machine couldhave evolving bias. like you know, a virgin girl trying to fuck you.

14:24:30 mircea_popescu: "like this ?

14:24:34 mircea_popescu: "how about this ?

14:24:38 mircea_popescu: "is this any good ?"

14:25:04 asciilifeform: (variation on the famous puzzle-joke where mathematicians were given piles of sticks to sort. they puttered around with algorithms - and then janitor comes, and simply stands the sticks up on table, picking them off longest first...)

14:25:28 mircea_popescu: something like that

14:31:10 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Rabite's purpose is not correctness, security, or anything else understandable.... Rabit is soley for the lulz << lulz is quite understandable, if not machine-understandable. the trick most people claiming to be "only in for the lulz" do is copied directly from that ancient trick of the socialist, "in it only for the soviets" : they oft use it to cover their own (usually intellecual) laziness

14:31:41 mircea_popescu: with the infantile expectation that no one might figure it out, and should someone figure it out they'd necessarily be easy to laugh down, "because lulz"

14:32:01 davout: "BingoBoingo: Introduce religion and then bugs become "canon" << they've been trying to do that to bitcoin for a coupla years by now." <<< which is one of the reason specifying the protocol was deemed 'too hard'

14:32:09 mircea_popescu: obviously it doesn't work that way, but "obviously" doesn't work for your average screentanned neckbeard because obviously depends on social experience

14:32:47 mircea_popescu: davout indeed. the dirty little open secret here is that if you don't specify it openly, mp will specify it closedly and then beat you over the head every time you deviate

14:32:55 mircea_popescu: and you'll be painfully wrong and he'll be lulzily right each time he does it

14:33:04 mircea_popescu: and now you've engineered humiliatory failure for yourself.

14:33:21 mircea_popescu: but, like the above, not something the screentanned neckbeard can figure out on his own. (same reason)

14:33:42 davout: everyone's trying to be as cool as the openssl folks

14:33:59 mircea_popescu: and plenty are succeeding lol

14:35:06 davout: so, what do you think about the wording of the "s.mg profitable in 2014" bet ?

14:35:24 mircea_popescu: i gotthe gribble but not there in the log so dunno context yet.

14:35:29 mircea_popescu: what's th problem with it ?

14:35:50 davout: the resolution says it has to have "revenue", the title says it has to be "profitable"

14:36:03 davout: i'm saying it can have revenue without being profitable

14:36:14 mircea_popescu: ah that. well, if all else fails the bitbet backstop is that titles are informative, bets are descriptive

14:36:20 mircea_popescu: much like you know, newspaperarticles

14:37:05 davout: ok, so by this logic i just have to make a donation to s.mg to have it have "revenue", and the bet resolves to 'yes'

14:37:21 mircea_popescu: how would you make adonation to s.mg ?

14:38:02 mircea_popescu: (and if the bet was worded otherwise, this would havbe been true. if you can make a hundred billion dollar donation to berkshire you can currently win the berkshire bet too)

14:38:47 davout: by sending it money, assuming there's some sort of service rolled-out by end 2014, if not it can't really have revenue or be profitable, but in this case the bet title might as well be reworded to "s.mg open for business" or something like that

14:39:22 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would you venture to guess at which post of my blog might pass the Mircea OpenBSD one in the next few months? << something with cats in it. or depending on whaty you mean by pass.

14:39:27 davout: just saying the resolution condition should be rewritten, which shouldn't be much of an issue since there are only house bets for now

14:39:42 mircea_popescu: i don't think that ever happened to date.

14:39:51 davout: said the virgin

14:39:53 mircea_popescu: moreover, you're saying it, but you're not backing it up.

14:40:32 davout: howso ?

14:41:01 mircea_popescu: lol. you ask me how so you've failed to make a case ? by failing to make a case lol.

14:41:53 mircea_popescu: howso you think you did make it, is more the question.

14:41:57 davout: what part of "the title isn't consistent with the bet resolution condition" do you disagree with?

14:42:05 mircea_popescu: the part where that matters.

14:42:52 mircea_popescu: consider perhaps a better example : we go into a japanese restaurant together, where we're given sticks to eat with.

14:42:55 mircea_popescu: these aren't equal length.

14:43:13 kakobrekla: how do you sort them?

14:43:21 mircea_popescu: when pointed out to the manager, he explains that while they mostly try to make it the same length, being two different items obviously they can never in fact be equal length, for quantum reasons

14:43:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00085315 = 2.9007 BTC [-]

14:43:39 mircea_popescu: and so for any case, the backstop is that the larger stick's length is defined as the pair's equal length

14:44:39 mike_c: what? that's ridiculous. the shorter stick should be the pair's equal length.

14:44:47 davout: well, i get how that can be clarified, all i'm saying is that it can't really hurt to make them consistent, especially when no one else has bet yet

14:44:55 mircea_popescu: obviously mike_c runs the rival FUD japanese restaurant across the street

14:45:07 mircea_popescu: where not only they sleep with their horses in the bed, but also all house numbers are even

14:45:13 mircea_popescu: like slovenly sluts.

14:45:27 davout: and also that the bet doesn't make that much sense if to resolve to yes s.mg only has to report an incoming money transfer > 0

14:45:38 kakobrekla: he likes to use that word.

14:45:40 mircea_popescu: davout well let's do these one at a time huh ?

14:46:24 mircea_popescu: it can't really hurt to make them consistent, before they're made. but the entire model (not just of bitbet, for that matter) rests on absolutes, and the proposal of improving this bet runs into the absolute that it's already published,

14:46:28 mircea_popescu: and so it'll go nowhere.

14:46:52 mircea_popescu: and as to how much sense a bet makes... who the fuck cares outside of the people betting on it.

14:46:59 mike_c: bibet has stooped to making clarifying comments before. this may be appropriate in this case.

14:47:03 mircea_popescu: imo bs shakespeare tony awards bets don't make any sense

14:47:13 mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah but i prefer to make it buried in here.

14:47:33 mircea_popescu: gotta give fluffypony's platform a living after all.

14:47:44 davout: granted, but following your logic, if the title doesn't matter wrt the bet resolution there's no problem changing it :-)

14:48:05 mircea_popescu: only because you abusively equate distinct things.

14:48:16 fluffypony: what did I miss

14:48:27 mircea_popescu: the absolute isn't a conditional absolute, ie, "the bet won't changed except for parts we can get away with"

14:48:33 mircea_popescu: +Be

14:49:00 mircea_popescu: now if only the us congress spent their morning today reading this log instead of absolutely anything they've been doing,

14:49:09 mircea_popescu: the us might have a chance of being properly administered for a day.

14:49:15 mike_c: davout: you can easily fix this by asking the question in the comments.

14:49:47 mircea_popescu: mike_c fud #2 for you today, suggesting the choice of venue is upon the plaintiff! WHO EVER HEARD OF THIS

14:49:49 davout: the way i understand what you say is that the bet title is merely a convenience, it has no value with regards to resolution, so by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever

14:50:01 mircea_popescu: davout sure, but the way you understand things has little bearing

14:50:14 mircea_popescu: this isn't some sort of diplomatic negotiation where you can make oral notes on your signing of the treaty

14:50:27 mircea_popescu: "germany understands this peace treaty as a carte blanche to fuck all your womenz"

14:50:43 davout: hm

14:50:59 mircea_popescu: the way it was said was that in any dispute between the two, the body carries.

14:51:32 davout: i'm not saying there's an ambiguity in the bet resolution, it's perfectly clear if the body supersedes the title

14:52:11 mircea_popescu: yeah but you're trying to equivocate between "in any dispute between the two, the body carries" and "by changing the title you're not really changing the bet itself, much like you could change the css around it or whatever"

14:52:21 mircea_popescu: these are not the same, really. for instance, the title is indexed.

14:52:39 mircea_popescu: as far as bitbet is concerned, the string of english words that is the title NOW MEANS the string of english words that is the body.

14:52:49 mircea_popescu: much like if you made an alias.

14:53:10 mircea_popescu: that's the meaning of the japanese sticks story : not that you can throw out one stick

14:53:16 mircea_popescu: but that whatever you may think your measurement shows,

14:53:25 mircea_popescu: the shorter stick IS ACTUALLY as long as the longer one.

14:53:33 davout: yes, i got all that :-)

14:53:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085432 = 0.6835 BTC [+]

14:53:45 davout: let's move on to the second part

14:53:47 mircea_popescu: win.

14:53:51 davout: wait

14:54:08 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people reading the logs just got a legal & philosophical education.

14:54:47 mircea_popescu: what was the second part lessee

14:54:59 davout: the way the resolution is worded can be reduced to : "bet resolves to yes if at some point during 2014, it is possible to send money to an address owned by s.mg"

14:55:08 davout: because that would count as revenue

14:55:15 mircea_popescu: well then it also has to report it.

14:55:23 mircea_popescu: or perhaps it could report revenue nobody sent as btc

14:55:40 mircea_popescu: such as for instance i dunno, blizzard gets scared and pays us 50 bux to not run wow out of business

14:55:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.070003 = 0.28 BTC [+]

14:55:56 davout: that would count as revenue

14:56:01 mircea_popescu: indeed.

14:56:07 davout: making the bet resolve to yes

14:56:11 mircea_popescu: right.

14:56:26 davout: even if there are 500 BTC expenses to cover leading to a loss

14:57:01 mircea_popescu: right.

14:57:22 davout: so the bet resolution could be rewritten as "yes if s.mg receives at least one satoshi in 2014"

14:57:58 chetty: you know it is fascinating how much this convo sounds like this 'issue':http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/the-argentine-bond-saga-made-simple/#more-212867

14:58:27 mircea_popescu: davout except satoshi is misleading, itcould receive a goat.

14:58:49 davout: win


14:59:30 chetty: If someone gives me a goat I will never tell

14:59:41 mircea_popescu: davout sure.

14:59:43 mike_c: goat embezzlement!

14:59:50 mircea_popescu: chetty lmao

15:00:01 davout: it also has implications wrt to the bet resolution time

15:00:20 davout: the bet can actually resolve as soon as s.mg is open for business

15:00:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0699 = 1.398 BTC [-]

15:01:09 mircea_popescu: indeed.

15:02:30 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/propositions/ is too small, I can't see older rejects

15:02:31 assbot: BitBet Propositions

15:02:44 pankkake: or you should remove the pure spam

15:02:57 mircea_popescu: or you could check daily.

15:03:19 mircea_popescu: or add a rule "whenever the last bet on page is not in my list of read bets, halve the checking interval"

15:03:39 mike_c: isn't there an rss?

15:03:56 mike_c: ah, not for proposed

15:04:05 mircea_popescu: now that may be a good idea

15:04:09 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, proposed bets rss ?

15:05:04 pankkake: I did check yesterday

15:05:28 pankkake: there was just too much bets (and spam) in a short timeframe

15:05:44 pankkake: well, alternatively I can submit it for the third time :D

15:05:57 mircea_popescu: chetty "Or, the Court might ask the Obama administration for its views on pari passu"

15:06:07 mircea_popescu: since when the motherfucking hells does the administration have a say in this!

15:06:20 mircea_popescu: jesus republic of the soviets they got going over there. go ask lenin whydontcha

15:06:50 mircea_popescu: pankkake prolly rss is the best solution

15:07:39 pankkake: why not remove the "fsdfdf" bets? they make up 80% of the page

15:07:44 kakobrekla: pankkake if you are looking for the reason i can look it up

15:08:02 pankkake: it's a bitcoin-central vs. kraken volume bet

15:09:50 kakobrekla: this one : This bet resolves has Yes if Bitcoin-Central has a 30d BTC/EUR trading volume higher than Kraken's, at any point before 2015, as computed by http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/

15:09:51 assbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets

15:09:51 kakobrekla: ?

15:09:56 pankkake: yes

15:10:02 kakobrekla: reason: Not going to check two pages every day to make sure; come up with a better resolution source if possible.

15:10:23 mircea_popescu: hm

15:10:43 pankkake: unfortunately there isn't, as neither exchanges publish a 30d volume

15:10:57 davout: kakobrekla: dun worry, i'll tell you a couple in advance which day i'll push dogecoin volume to bitcoin charts

15:11:07 kakobrekla: lel

15:11:08 davout: *couple of days

15:11:37 kakobrekla: btw when are you going to connect to rtbtc again

15:12:19 davout: prolly sthg i'll work on during the summer

15:12:26 mircea_popescu: pankkake this sort of bet is problematic, because what the fuck's the submitter to do.

15:12:47 mircea_popescu: im thinking a solution going forward would be "claim bets", ie, bets that resolve one way unless proof to the contrary is presented in the comments.

15:13:22 pankkake: yeah, for the CNY volume bet I actually wrote a script to watch the result

15:13:23 mircea_popescu: the problem with this, of course, is that it gives a monetary incentive to make comments, at which point the result will be a flood of nonsense

15:13:33 pankkake: then quickly archive.is the page

15:13:46 mircea_popescu: (ie, someone who's not won loses nothing by making a spurious claim he has. this then taxes mod time, and the more complex the claim the better for the claimant)

15:14:05 mircea_popescu: one of those subjects being thought about.

15:14:12 pankkake: though for a 30d volume bet, you should see it coming

15:14:25 mircea_popescu: pankkake unless one exchange is offline for a little bit.

15:14:57 pankkake: no but I mean you have to care only if they are reasonably close, which isn't the case at all now

15:15:09 mircea_popescu: not so.

15:15:16 mircea_popescu: suppose each does 10 btc a day on average.

15:15:28 mircea_popescu: suppose one day there's a panic, which takes one offline but not the other, which now dows 500 btc

15:15:32 mircea_popescu: have you seen it coming ?

15:15:44 mircea_popescu: surely if they both were online both'd have done 500 btc, keeping their parity

15:15:46 mircea_popescu: but they weren't.

15:16:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 4 @ 0.042 = 0.168 BTC

15:16:39 mircea_popescu: "Particular difficulties ensue if the rules are not simple multiples of each other, and when vias must traverse between layers with different rules."

15:16:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok im cured. this and the oxide gate problems, i can see it now.

15:17:34 mircea_popescu: "The earliest types of EDA routers were "manual routers" -- the drafter clicked a mouse on the endpoint of each line segment of each net. Modern PCB design software typically provides "interactive routers" -- the drafter selects a pad and clicks a few places to give the EDA tool an idea of where to go, and the EDA tool tries to place wires as close to that path as possible without violating DRC." << my naive bias thing

15:17:34 mircea_popescu: actually well implemented etc.

15:20:00 Mats_cd03: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2440866

15:20:01 assbot: Intraday Momentum: The First Half-Hour Return Predicts the Last Half-Hour Return by Lei Gao, Yufeng Han, Guofu Zhou :: SSRN

15:21:53 mircea_popescu: hm

15:25:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [+] {2}

15:26:58 mike_c: it's amazing how many great links come through this channel without any need for up/down voting systems.

15:26:58 assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

15:28:13 benkay: <decimation> yeah no doubt, but those people probably could be identified and treated with various medical devices // my favorite of these is made my a local shop (designed in germany, though). it sits on your nervous system and listens to your heartbeat, supplying it's own 'carrier wave' when necessary to entrain the signal that nominally keeps things beating in time.

15:28:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC

15:28:46 benkay: i almost took a job making fixtures for them before i knew how little i enjoyed shop support at big shops.

15:29:36 benkay: * asciilifeform doesn't own airplane, will probably have to settle for slipping in his bath with a cocked nailgun // are the 'suicides' humorously staged yet?

15:30:00 mircea_popescu: !down mike_c

15:30:04 mircea_popescu: no up/down indeed :D

15:30:12 mike_c: well there is that.

15:30:47 mircea_popescu: benkay afaik heart beats on its own localised nervous system

15:30:52 mircea_popescu: not going through the spine

15:31:07 benkay: one of the subnets.

15:31:13 benkay: installation was a pain

15:31:15 benkay: :D

15:31:18 mircea_popescu: lol

15:31:32 mircea_popescu: so this is the day of the longlog huh

15:31:50 benkay: for me at least.

15:32:37 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Also, did anyone else here have reason to learn Ubuntu 12.04 ships without syslogd or rsyslog << is that even possible ?!

15:32:42 mircea_popescu: or you mean, "not turned on"

15:33:23 benkay: BingoBoingo: 'man logger'

15:34:24 mircea_popescu: they even had a special doohickey made so they could add it in the menus

15:34:28 mircea_popescu: a sort of gui log reader

15:35:55 mircea_popescu: or do you mean that ancient "rsyslogd was HUPed, type lightweight" bug they've had for ages ? did it eventually prevail upon them and so they just took logging right out of 12.04 ? :D

15:36:13 benkay: logging is hard

15:36:16 benkay: users don't care

15:36:24 benkay: give everyone a touchscreen

15:38:55 mircea_popescu: since now im looking into logs,

15:38:56 mircea_popescu: [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth1 OUT= SRC= DST= LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=242 ID=65083 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=46252

15:39:15 mircea_popescu: ppls haxxing off 443 now ?

15:40:21 dignork: mircea_popescu: might be heartbleed probes

15:40:41 dignork: mircea_popescu: nop, sorry, it's SPT

15:41:01 Mats_cd03: http://aswathdamodaran.blogspot.com/2014/05/alibaba-china-story-with-profitable.html

15:41:01 assbot: Musings on Markets: Alibaba: A China Story with a profitable ending?

15:41:40 davout: root

15:41:45 davout: fail

15:43:23 dignork: davout: might be just weird NAT router

15:43:35 mircea_popescu: davout hm ?

15:49:03 mircea_popescu: decimation: the burea-tard who signed Obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash (survived the crash but "had irregular heart beat" after 60 minutes in the water) <<< that took a while.

15:49:22 mircea_popescu: someone'll prolly write a blockbuster in a little

15:49:32 davout: nvm, wrong window

15:49:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 10 @ 0.042 = 0.42 BTC

15:50:23 kakobrekla: it was his username and password, root and fail.

15:50:33 mircea_popescu: seems reasonable.

15:50:57 davout: kakobrekla: hahaha, actually the password is root too

15:51:09 kakobrekla: :)

15:51:45 Mats_cd03: i take credit for good links in this channel

15:51:54 mircea_popescu: i once broke into a network with the root-leaf combo

15:51:59 kakobrekla: http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/slike/2014-06-10-dlakava-dlan-junijski-uritoff-28170.jpg

15:52:03 kakobrekla: now i take credit.

15:52:06 mircea_popescu: this is why you don't make wicca chicks sysadmins

15:52:26 Mats_cd03: ur dirty

15:52:41 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's not a good link, that's a bead link.

15:52:48 davout: such nsfw

15:53:03 kakobrekla: where dafuq do you work

15:53:11 mircea_popescu: yogurt factory.

15:53:21 benkay: !up blackwhite

15:53:25 kakobrekla: ah, they buy milk from us?

15:53:39 mircea_popescu: not from us, from usagi.

15:59:08 thestringpuller: can't have cookies without milk

15:59:18 fluffypony: lulz

15:59:25 mircea_popescu: !up mjr_

15:59:32 mircea_popescu: !up TheNewDeal

15:59:38 mircea_popescu: how's diff betting coming along

15:59:48 TheNewDeal: it's gonna be close

15:59:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87487208 BTC to 8`766 shares, 21388 satoshi per share

16:00:10 TheNewDeal: we're actually losing some time this change, making the 3rd change iffy

16:00:25 mircea_popescu: fun huh

16:00:34 TheNewDeal: meh

16:00:57 TheNewDeal: more interested in the opec production news of the morn

16:01:00 Mats_cd03: thats not good news

16:01:17 TheNewDeal: what is?

16:01:59 mircea_popescu: russia is emerging as a major ally of the muslims, and its strategy to energetically isolate the west is starting to take shape.

16:02:37 TheNewDeal: west has lucked out with oil prospects of late

16:02:44 TheNewDeal: not sure how long it will help though

16:03:38 Mats_cd03: diff bet and opec news

16:04:12 TheNewDeal: both, I know

16:04:17 mircea_popescu: problem is

16:04:26 mircea_popescu: youy never know if the west is lying or not

16:04:27 TheNewDeal: I was hoping for the bitcoin network and the opec producers to ramp up production :D

16:04:29 Mats_cd03: iraq is going to lose a fourth city to the fictional caliphate

16:04:34 Mats_cd03: by the end of this year

16:04:56 TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu true, and oil prospects are always estimates

16:05:02 mircea_popescu: exactly.

16:05:22 mircea_popescu: i can't image a us policy of easy money not including easy reserves.

16:05:36 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7250864#msg7250864

16:05:36 assbot: BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]

16:05:40 fluffypony: "On the other hand it was expected that usagi will get confused and "loose" the wallet. In general he's so confused that he doesn't know if he's a she or she's a he."

16:05:41 fluffypony: lol!

16:05:50 fluffypony: I love forum catch-up days

16:05:53 Mats_cd03: losing mosul to militants is a death blow

16:06:02 mircea_popescu: i love olives

16:06:18 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 you know, iraq 2 mayt well turn out to be the largest intl mistake the us ever made

16:06:21 TheNewDeal: be back

16:06:23 mircea_popescu: especially through being the last.

16:07:00 pankkake: the USAgi?

16:07:44 mircea_popescu: lol

16:08:01 fluffypony: hah hah

16:09:15 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/expedia-will-accept-bitcoin-hotel-bookings/

16:09:16 assbot: Expedia Will Accept Bitcoin for Hotel Bookings

16:09:22 mircea_popescu: funny btw, the us overthrew ukraine, the russian-backed syria overthrew iraq.

16:09:26 mircea_popescu: so far, check.

16:10:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711999 = 0.1424 BTC [+]

16:10:21 Mats_cd03: the northern alliance was the best bet iraq ever had for any semblance of security

16:11:19 Mats_cd03: i wonder if the kurds have the stomach to breach doors and fight house to house

16:11:30 Mats_cd03: probably not

16:11:44 mircea_popescu: stomach they have

16:11:47 mircea_popescu: numbers they have not.

16:12:03 mircea_popescu: at any rate, back on the realpolitik map, i wonder just how defensible afghanistan is w/o iraq,

16:12:20 mircea_popescu: and once the withdrawal is complete by autumn i wonder just how safe any us interests in the midwest will ever be again.

16:13:13 mircea_popescu: proll best start dealing with venezuela.

16:14:47 TheNewDeal: mexico and canada as well

16:15:19 mircea_popescu: canada is a given, 52nd state, after uk

16:15:28 mircea_popescu: mexico looks iffy tho

16:16:33 chetty: its ok Mexico is currently moving to Arizona

16:16:43 TheNewDeal: mexico is 3rd to canada and saudi arabia

16:17:03 mircea_popescu: saudi arabia is in no way on the list.

16:17:14 TheNewDeal: http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m.htm

16:17:15 assbot: U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports

16:17:22 mircea_popescu: it's an ally of the us in thesense the tour guide of the fat tourist is an ally of his.

16:17:28 mircea_popescu: taking him to all the good fleecing spots.

16:17:40 mircea_popescu: i'll bet you the us won't be buying much oil from sa by the end of the decade.

16:19:06 TheNewDeal: regardless of saudi, mexico is ~1/4 - 1/3 of the opec total

16:19:46 mircea_popescu: also a doomed hope. the cartels will sooner or later make continued oil exports dependent on continued opium imports

16:19:52 mircea_popescu: much in the manner of england colonising china

16:20:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 1000 @ 0.002 = 2 BTC

16:20:12 mircea_popescu: it'll work, too. mexico has a better chance of ruling the us than either democrat or republican party in ten years.

16:20:33 TheNewDeal: there is a booming mexican population within the us

16:20:42 mircea_popescu: sure

16:21:05 mircea_popescu: colonisation usually works that way.

16:21:37 TheNewDeal: except when you infect the indigenous population with deadly diseases

16:22:16 mircea_popescu: i don't imagine biological shock is going to be much going forward

16:22:22 mircea_popescu: we've had flight for a centuryby now

16:22:36 TheNewDeal: I'm just saying it happened in mexico too

16:22:58 TheNewDeal: knocked out a bunch of mayans and others when the conquistadors came through

16:23:08 mircea_popescu: yeah.

16:24:05 TheNewDeal: speaking of viruses and disease

16:24:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0711999 = 0.2848 BTC [+]

16:24:22 TheNewDeal: I tried betting both sides to the MERS, not looking good now

16:25:02 mircea_popescu: "The day's developments mean Isis now has effective control over three cities, including Falluja and Ramadi in neighbouring Anbar. "

16:25:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+]

16:25:18 mircea_popescu: no, the day's developments mean that isis has now secured communication lines for its pincher of baghdad

16:25:57 TheNewDeal: what is Isis?

16:26:19 mircea_popescu: the syrian expeditionary army in iraq

16:27:06 TheNewDeal: Islamic State Isomething Ssomething?

16:27:13 mircea_popescu: Iraq's embattled government said it would arm civilians and ask the parliament to declare a state of emergency. << this is a splendid point in case. the us-allied iraq government is going to... arm the civillians.

16:27:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 8 @ 0.042 = 0.336 BTC

16:27:19 mircea_popescu: right.

16:27:46 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal "of iraq in syria"

16:28:31 mircea_popescu: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/10/1402409110353/Iraqis-fleeing-Mosul-011.jpg << People fleeing the violence queue at a checkpoint near Mosul.

16:28:47 mircea_popescu: This i don't fucking understand. if you're trying to leave mosul and there's some fuckwits holding a "checkpoint" in your way

16:28:50 Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: arming civilians is really the only thing they can do. what, its not like the state can secure anything

16:28:59 mircea_popescu: the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails

16:29:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0712 = 0.356 BTC [+]

16:29:20 mircea_popescu: then videotape it and post it on youtube, should any other fuckwits need training as to the importance of "holding checkpoints"

16:29:48 mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "arming civillians" strictly means, in this sense, "Taking these weapons the us gave us and giving it to the people they were trying to fight"

16:30:04 Mats_cd03: well yeah

16:30:05 mircea_popescu: what civillians ? "we're giving the n billions worth of material to al-quaeda. because fuck you, that's why"

16:31:22 benkay: <mircea_popescu> the only rational, and the only moral action is to feed them their own entrails // learned helplessness of the last rats to flee?

16:31:35 mircea_popescu: but i mean look at tyhe picture

16:32:06 mircea_popescu: cars where camels go, a bunch of redditards trying to pretend like they're playing WoW irl.

16:32:24 benkay: isn't this the kind of desert where one can simply drive around road obstructions?

16:32:26 benkay: !up cipi

16:32:28 mircea_popescu: i wonder how many of the fuckwits still have the lease papers in the glove compartment.

16:32:29 benkay: ;;gettrust cipi

16:32:30 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user cipi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=cipi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cipi | Rated since: never

16:32:49 benkay: what's wrong with lease papers in the glove compartment?

16:33:00 mircea_popescu: benkay it's the sort of desert where a car doing less than 50 is a death trap.

16:33:11 mircea_popescu: benkay that nobody fucking owns title to anything anymore.

16:33:41 mircea_popescu: german serfs cca 1100 knew as much, "the day foreign armed men walk the province, all tax obligations are null and void"

16:33:56 Mats_cd03: heh

16:34:14 thestringpuller: havelock is becoming the spam of IPOs

16:34:14 kakobrekla: !up CiPi

16:34:14 mircea_popescu: "The city fell like a plane without an engine," said a Mosul businessman << what's with these people and planes.

16:34:15 Mats_cd03: when there's blood on the streets...

16:34:25 Mats_cd03: steal a tv

16:34:26 mircea_popescu: you'd think they could have less humorous metaphores.

16:34:32 thestringpuller: it's like every fucking day I get a new email "IPO AVAILABLE!"

16:34:51 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bitcoin available ? :D

16:34:54 benkay: !up samson_

16:36:53 Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, yeah havelol spam starting to be annoying

16:37:26 fluffypony: I eventually just blacklisted their domain

16:37:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00229947 = 0.2299 BTC [+]

16:37:32 fluffypony: so now I don't get any email from them

16:38:01 pankkake: you can unsuscribe from IPO announcements. did it months ago

16:38:03 mircea_popescu: but think ofall the opportunities!

16:38:44 Apocalyptic: opportunities!!1!

16:39:02 mircea_popescu: opporturdities

16:39:20 pankkake: opportnudetities

16:39:38 pankkake: no, that's on fraudsters

16:39:39 mircea_popescu: this almost sounds like an improvement

16:39:57 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/afc801fdf4033715a186c389bdc2b1fd/tumblr_n5ov5g3MW31r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:40:12 mircea_popescu: o boy i gotcher nao.

16:40:13 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/06eb0d0ea9f889594956100fbfe37bdd/tumblr_n5ov4cgTN81r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:40:14 pankkake: give her something to eat, poor girl

16:40:27 pankkake: ew

16:40:28 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/562a57e24c1f363fa54e8d256cf08218/tumblr_n5ov3jzavH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:40:36 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/98d97ff00e69651207f7f7265392ff0b/tumblr_n5ouxvMXqm1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:40:42 Duffer1: :(

16:40:44 mircea_popescu: and you know what it's gonna be, and yet you can't look away

16:40:50 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/44c5cb790e9a599d6f3d87c6dafd4181/tumblr_n03226ov601r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:41:00 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/14e277ab71c17d39726de474524f808c/tumblr_mpa2frkYet1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:41:09 benkay: of ffs

16:41:15 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/a4795fff1483b83f61581ce15813a6f4/tumblr_mocdml62xy1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:41:21 kakobrekla: spam

16:41:28 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72x46xj9l1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:41:38 benkay: !down mircea_popescu

16:41:41 mircea_popescu: da fuck is that even

16:41:51 mircea_popescu: like chest flap

16:41:56 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6lh931Iqg1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:42:04 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m50ns6XJBW1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:42:12 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1gewxiBem1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:42:18 Mats_cd03: fuck

16:42:21 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpif2hFC51r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:42:22 Mats_cd03: why

16:42:31 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvpid63QVC1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:42:39 mircea_popescu: i sold out to the usg!

16:42:44 mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltqmu7JZ1a1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:42:45 benkay: stahp

16:42:48 *: kakobrekla sets mode +m #bitcoin-assets

16:42:52 mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt2nmzazVH1r4g61uo1_400.jpg

16:43:01 mircea_popescu: that should be enough for a day huh ?

16:43:06 mircea_popescu: com back tomorrow, same time !!1

16:43:21 pankkake: didn't look at the last ones. usually I don't resist, but too much at a time

16:43:37 mircea_popescu: well the'll be in the log

16:43:39 mircea_popescu: waiting for you

16:43:49 mircea_popescu: being ugly and waiting. waiting and being ulgy.

16:44:37 benkay: makes one miss ozbot.

16:46:09 mircea_popescu: decimation: why would they be able to accomplish anything "evil" well? << a solid argument, except, why does a cat manage to break things so well when no cat has yet produced any thing ?

16:47:40 jurov: if everyone suspects the deaths being staged, then ofc they were not well accomplished

16:47:49 pankkake: I wish I knew how ozbot found the images

16:48:49 mircea_popescu: pankkake just went through some selected tumblrs

16:50:47 pankkake: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/09391f1561178e3112f44516be6dbe4b/tumblr_n6pbmpw0PE1s9dnijo1_1280.jpg on the homepage, what a horrible pic

16:52:26 mircea_popescu: whats with all the black people ?

16:52:30 mircea_popescu: is obama racist or something ?

16:53:26 pankkake: my first thought was "this looks like a typical stock photo where minorities must be present otherwise you're racist. oh wait, who's this guy, i think i know him"

16:53:54 TheNewDeal: while I was going there, my school got caught photoshopping a black person into a photo

16:54:12 TheNewDeal: the black guy came out publicly stating he was not in the photo originally

16:54:55 pankkake: wow, so it was a photo of know people in the school? and they thought they could get away with it?

16:55:16 pankkake: anyway, the classic: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/26/microsofts-ad-in-poland-p_n_269366.html

16:55:16 assbot: Microsoft's Ad In Poland Photoshops Black Man, But Keeps Asian Man, White Woman

16:55:35 TheNewDeal: actually, looks like it was before my time. http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/uwmadison.asp

16:57:08 TheNewDeal: pankkake niiice

17:03:01 pankkake: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/3c67ec86122253f5d2eb70757b91d789/tumblr_n5ix72EeKc1rrq7ino1_1280.jpg

17:09:28 mircea_popescu: davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu liked the hayek commentary a lot! << thanks!

17:10:47 mircea_popescu: dub: but blame africa << everyone knows africans aren't pirates, they couldn't even discover madagascar.

17:10:59 mircea_popescu: it's the muslims that are the pirates.

17:16:41 mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/v3TgQCo

17:16:42 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

17:16:46 TheNewDeal: updating the diff change estimate to 6.8%

17:17:02 mircea_popescu: why tyhe fuck do they continue to push all the derpage and try and pretend is entirely beyond me

17:17:21 mircea_popescu: roughly in the situation of a small african country trying to push this alt-geography where china doesn't exist

17:18:11 TheNewDeal: whats the sham betsite?

17:18:13 mircea_popescu: !up mgio

17:18:19 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot mgio

17:18:20 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mgio: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mgio | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mgio | Rated since: never

17:18:32 mircea_popescu: you will need ti get in assbot's l2 to voice yourself.

17:18:39 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i dunno, a bevy of pretenders

17:18:45 mircea_popescu: they change about quarterly

17:19:12 mircea_popescu: the pretense remains unchanged. "there's mpex, we don't talk about. the exchange we talk about is <Del>glbse<del>btct<del>bitcoin whatever<del>etc"

17:19:22 TheNewDeal: they the results of the proposition spam?

17:19:27 mircea_popescu: "there's bitbet, we don;'t talk about. the betting sites we talk about is <del>etc"

17:19:33 mircea_popescu: i have no idea

17:19:46 mircea_popescu: !up joesmoe

17:19:51 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot joesmoe

17:19:52 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joesmoe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joesmoe | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joesmoe | Rated since: Tue Mar 12 17:07:21 2013

17:19:55 joesmoe: i can't seem to get assbot to like me, its being a real ass

17:20:04 mircea_popescu: same goes to you that i said to mgio : unless you're in assbot l2's trust you can't up yourself.

17:20:12 joesmoe: ahhh

17:20:16 joesmoe: i'm suprised i'm not

17:20:25 joesmoe: i've done a few transactions on otc a while back

17:20:27 mircea_popescu: well, look at l1, talk to the people there.

17:20:59 mgio: i see

17:21:07 mgio: has anyone seen ukyo around recently?

17:21:17 mgio: thanks for the help

17:21:19 mircea_popescu: ;;seen Ukyo

17:21:19 gribble: Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 25 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping

17:23:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 34 @ 0.042 = 1.428 BTC

17:24:31 mgio: not a good sign, oh well

17:24:43 Apocalyptic: he's here right now

17:24:47 joesmoe: lol

17:25:38 TheNewDeal: weird

17:27:06 mircea_popescu: mgio what's your interest anyway, if it's not secret ?

17:28:17 joesmoe: mgio is NSA, tracking Ukyo down

17:28:32 mgio: ukyo.loan, he owes me a lot of money and it supposedily working on some projects to pay it back. wondering what the status is

17:29:04 mgio: I'm probably more patient than I should be

17:29:22 mircea_popescu: well what recourse other than patience do you have anyway.

17:29:24 mike_c: what's the other option?

17:29:30 mircea_popescu: beat you.

17:29:32 benkay: NONE THIS IS BITCOIN

17:30:05 benkay: the whole 'can you assbot' thing as test of technical ability is a neat filter to boot.

17:30:18 mgio: legal options, of course

17:30:33 mike_c: mircea_popescu: what do you think is the best judge of money supply? m2? m4?

17:30:35 benkay: ninjashogun's been harping at me again. anyone else catching his flak?

17:30:47 mike_c: yes

17:31:02 mike_c: wait for the part where he asks you how many bitcoin you have.

17:31:02 mgio: he lives in the US, as do I, and the terms of the loan are pretty straightforward

17:31:10 mircea_popescu: <mgio> legal options, of course << that didn't mwean anything.

17:31:22 mgio: only way to get out of it if he was to declare personal bankrupcy

17:31:29 mgio: in other words, sue him for the btc owed

17:31:42 mircea_popescu: mike_c what are you judging it for ?

17:32:02 benkay: !up AncientAliensBTC

17:32:02 mircea_popescu: !up AncientAliensBTC

17:32:04 benkay: oh this will be good

17:32:17 mircea_popescu: !sideways benkay

17:32:28 benkay: my btc come from aliens

17:32:32 TheNewDeal: ooooh goat's milk - so milky

17:32:38 benkay: i have an alien miner

17:32:41 benkay: in a pyramid

17:32:41 Apocalyptic: <benkay> oh this will be good <<

17:32:59 AncientAliensBTC: SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good.

17:33:05 TheNewDeal: surpised I haven't heard speculation that satoshi was an alien.

17:33:21 benkay: yeah totally

17:33:26 benkay: satoshi nakamoto is ancient aliens

17:33:33 chetty: time traveler

17:33:34 benkay: its the only sensible option

17:33:45 benkay: nono der paradoxen

17:33:50 benkay: aliens makes sense tho

17:33:59 mike_c: mircea_popescu: hard to describe. i am trying to think about how many dollars there are, which is obviously a complicated topic.

17:34:03 Apocalyptic: AncientAliensBTC, hope you are Giorgio

17:34:27 benkay: <AncientAliensBTC> SN was clearly Aliens the tech is too good. // actually the thing is that the tech is so bad that only an agent entirely unfamiliar with cultural standards could have done it

17:34:50 mircea_popescu: mike_c ok, but dollars in what sense ?

17:35:09 mircea_popescu: it's always the case you can narrow and pin things down in a macro discussion, tho it's almost always the case people are reluctant to do so

17:35:18 mircea_popescu: functionally, deductively, somehow there's a way

17:35:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00085432 = 3.5027 BTC [+]

17:36:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8180 @ 0.00085661 = 7.0071 BTC [+] {2}

17:36:52 AncientAliensBTC: More seriously though, anyone want to discuss the betting of both sides on BitBet? I'm curious about discussing the theory behind the results of the data dump.

17:37:03 mircea_popescu: you seen mike_c article ?

17:37:54 AncientAliensBTC: Nope

17:38:12 TheNewDeal: Someone found the truth Re:I am ... by cshark @slashdot http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4562153&cid=45709487

17:38:13 assbot: Bitcoin Inventor Satoshi Nakamoto Could Actually Be Group From Europe - Slashdot

17:38:25 mircea_popescu: ;;google btcalpha betting bitbet

17:38:26 gribble: Betting BitBet Both Ways - Btc Alpha: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/; Btc Alpha - Analysis tools for bitcoin finance.: http://www.btcalpha.com/; When Does BitBet Money Come In? - Btc Alpha: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/when-does-bitbet-money-come-in/

17:38:38 mircea_popescu: it's a good site generally.

17:39:39 AncientAliensBTC: poured through fraudsters and btc alpha already :)

17:39:43 mike_c: mircea_popescu: well, i am trying to internalize money supply. like it seems m2 floats around 4x m1. the fed says m3 is meaningless, but others say it isn't. and i don't entirely understand m4 yet.

17:40:11 mike_c: i thought you might have some insight to measures worth understanding vs. ones that are just noise.

17:40:15 Apocalyptic: "the fed says m3 is meaningless" // is anything the fed says meaningfull ?

17:40:17 mircea_popescu: the fed is engaged in a doomed fight to maintain the financial relevancy of a dead industrial base.

17:40:30 mircea_popescu: m3 is only relevant if you wish to pierce through that veil

17:41:12 mike_c: anyone have any good book recommendations on the topic?

17:41:20 Apocalyptic: mike_c, do you distinguish between money supply and monetary base ?

17:41:59 mike_c: Apocalyptic: i am trying to :)

17:42:52 mircea_popescu: hm

17:43:11 mircea_popescu: all the goodstuff i read on the paper were romanian cb white papers in the 80s and 90s

17:43:16 mircea_popescu: on thetopic*

17:43:16 mike_c: AncientAliensBTC: i see betting both sides of a bitbet as a bet on action. if the bet receives a lot of action, you should do well.

17:45:18 mircea_popescu: !up dexX7

17:45:22 mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot dexX7

17:45:23 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dexX7: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013

17:45:37 dexX7: thanks

17:45:42 dexX7: i think i can up myself

17:47:07 mircea_popescu: aha yeah you can.

17:47:22 mircea_popescu: whoever made the mp being wrong bitbet : i was all for it but the mods shot it down.

17:47:27 mircea_popescu: bitbet mods suck

17:47:54 pankkake: agreed

17:48:12 AncientAliensBTC: How does betting later affect my odds? Say I bet 1 BTC (as the site shows) with a 3.5 BTC payout. How much will I cash in on my early betting vs lose out to my position becoming more popular/dilute other side?

17:48:37 pankkake: and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong

17:51:46 kakobrekla: AncientAliensBTC someone made an app to simulate that i think

17:53:19 TheNewDeal: it's easy enough to calculate

17:53:39 TheNewDeal: ancientaliensbtc is it ok to assume no more bets will be made on the opposing side (more conservative) ?

17:53:41 fluffypony: mircea_popescu: what was the bet?

17:54:31 pankkake: fluffypony: http://bitbet.us/propositions/

17:54:31 assbot: BitBet Propositions

17:54:46 TheNewDeal: top one MP to admit being wrong in #b-a

17:55:16 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> and it's not mp being wrong, it's mp admits being wrong << no its not. i always admit it when i'm wrong, it's just im not wrong that often

17:55:33 fluffypony: heh

18:03:56 TheNewDeal: would be interested to see what % of bitbet is made into private bets

18:04:12 TheNewDeal: or are they quite rare?

18:04:50 mircea_popescu: well they're private.

18:05:11 kakobrekla: actually they are public.

18:05:21 TheNewDeal: how so?

18:05:31 TheNewDeal: you can see it, but need a password to bet?

18:05:32 mircea_popescu: quantum

18:05:35 kakobrekla: cause transparency.

18:05:49 mike_c: have their been any?

18:05:52 TheNewDeal: not concerned as much with the why

18:05:53 mircea_popescu: banany

18:05:54 kakobrekla: correct TheNewDeal

18:05:56 mike_c: *there

18:05:59 mircea_popescu: are

18:06:04 assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HF6ZMY.txt )

18:06:04 mircea_popescu: !b 12

18:06:15 mircea_popescu: bah

18:06:27 kakobrekla: mike_c yes, refused.

18:07:31 TheNewDeal: could I bet both sides at the beginning as well?

18:07:50 kakobrekla: no

18:08:08 TheNewDeal: what!

18:08:20 kakobrekla: im trying to save on the btc addresses!

18:08:25 kakobrekla: you know they are finite, right.

18:08:30 TheNewDeal: yes

18:08:42 mircea_popescu: no they're not

18:08:56 TheNewDeal: can't you reuse?

18:10:26 kakobrekla: depends

18:11:02 benkay: http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // waaaaaaaaaaaaat is this

18:11:03 assbot: Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide?

18:11:13 TheNewDeal: I have accidentally been requesting new addresses when betting the same side at a later time. Didn't realize you could just resend to same

18:11:36 kakobrekla: you can have it either way

18:13:07 TheNewDeal: but back to this private bet. You're saying I couldnt bet both sides at the beginning, then hand out the password to close group of people?

18:14:05 kakobrekla: you can take one side, wait for approval, bet the other side and then hand out the pass

18:15:08 TheNewDeal: ahhh

18:15:12 TheNewDeal: same difference

18:17:26 mircea_popescu: yup

18:17:29 mircea_popescu: !up alex_c

18:18:11 mircea_popescu: anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ?

18:18:28 TheNewDeal: perhaps. cooked in oven?

18:19:33 TheNewDeal: I'm not confident enough with my fish via grill skills

18:19:40 mircea_popescu: nah silverstone half-wok

18:20:17 TheNewDeal: sure

18:21:16 dignork: benkay: http://www.bluecoat.com/company-blog/2013-05-09/what%E2%80%99s-your-ssl-traffic-trying-hide // i've seen similar hardware deployed by companies to monitor their employees traffic. Single point of failure. Awesome point to hack.

18:21:17 assbot: Blue Coat – Whats Your SSL Traffic Trying to Hide?

18:21:31 []bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/

18:22:46 Mats_cd03: fucking ssl

18:23:55 mircea_popescu: "Now you can have visibility into all the encrypted SSL traffic on your network?at extremely high performance?so you can inspect it, identify potentially nefarious activities, and feed the intelligence to an ecosystem of security application vendors?all through Blue Coat."

18:23:58 mircea_popescu: herp.

18:24:37 benkay: snake oil?

18:24:41 asciilifeform: ninjaspamz0r is back!? lol

18:25:03 dignork: mircea_popescu: well, they are actually lying, for this to work, they either have to ssl-strip, or plant corporate CA in all their system

18:25:12 mircea_popescu: the latter.

18:25:28 mircea_popescu: which increases the vulnerability of their "security" tremendously

18:26:04 pankkake: corporate CA is the usual trick

18:26:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5248 @ 0.00085751 = 4.5002 BTC [+] {2}

18:26:16 pankkake: can you even restrict CAs to tlds?

18:27:02 chetty: <mircea_popescu> anyone interested in my salmon teriyaki recipe ?// do tell

18:27:16 mircea_popescu: aite i'll photo document soonish

18:28:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.0299 = 0.4186 BTC [+]

18:34:20 fluffypony: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you haven't seen it, this is by far the best flopping attempt in recent history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbmnhusvWTc

18:34:21 assbot: Amateur football at its best - YouTube

18:34:21 gribble: The operation succeeded.

18:36:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC

18:37:34 fluffypony: something I said?

18:37:38 fluffypony: :-P

18:39:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 341 @ 0.00038033 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {3}

18:44:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 13 @ 0.03 = 0.39 BTC [+] {3}

18:47:06 jurov: !t m f.mpif

18:47:06 assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021703 / 0.00021721 / 0.00021725 (5601 shares, 1.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)

18:49:47 davout: pankkake: "can you even restrict CAs to tlds?" <<< wat?

18:51:27 pankkake: you could add a CA and have it validate only .mycompany

18:52:24 TheNewDeal: when did mpif start? was it april?

18:53:33 TheNewDeal: looks may

18:54:06 mike_c: started trading in may. it started operating a bit before that.

18:57:54 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: 12.04 did indeed ship without rsyslog or syslogd, it can produce dmesg but the terminal is of course too short to display the whole thing.

18:58:09 mircea_popescu: o.o

18:58:20 mircea_popescu: so go back to 10.04

18:58:34 pankkake: shift+pageup?

18:59:08 pankkake: no logger? or does upstart have one, like systemd?

18:59:40 mircea_popescu: does it keep a journal for the hdd or dispensed with that too ?

19:00:03 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dmesg | less

19:00:21 pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-wins-best-virtual-currency-startup-award-europas/

19:00:22 assbot: Bitstamp Wins Best Virtual Currency Startup Award at The Europas

19:00:32 BingoBoingo: I really lacks all of the useful system tools. I'm afraid it might tell me I need to install cat if I try to use it now

19:00:42 mike_c: imagine if they had three cans

19:01:24 mircea_popescu: what's eruopas ?

19:04:34 kakobrekla: jupiters moon?

19:06:09 mircea_popescu: i guess.

19:19:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.23211011 BTC [-]

19:20:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23211016 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2}

19:28:54 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm telling you with the diff bets you have to consider the externalities.

19:29:58 TheNewDeal: yes the network is quite variable over short term

19:30:39 davout: pankkake: ic

19:31:28 davout: mircea_popescu: lol

19:33:32 TheNewDeal: bingoboing I'm also looking at the short term history for comparison

19:35:07 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm telling you that Datacenters in the summer aren't pretty. Mix that up with Knc's generally sloppy build quality...

19:35:36 BingoBoingo: fluffypony: http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/storm-damage-greatly-improves-name-of-tennessee-car-was-1589411382/+Tom_Ley

19:35:36 assbot: Storm Damage Greatly Improves Name Of Tennessee Car Wash

19:35:43 TheNewDeal: April 29 - May 12 the difficulty increased 10.66 %. Blocks came through on average 542 seconds. To get 3 changes, we need to find blocks at an average of 554 seconds

19:36:33 kakobrekla: TheNewDeal you can always ddos some pools

19:37:12 TheNewDeal: I wouldn't dare attempt something along those lines

19:37:18 TheNewDeal: plus I'm hoping for yes

19:38:53 kakobrekla: <mike_c> imagine if they had three cans < imagine if they could do maff

19:39:19 TheNewDeal: we're nethashing at 89.9 PH, once we pass 91.1 we should be finding faster than 554 s/ block

19:40:52 fluffypony: BingoBoingo: that is a great name, I much prefer it over the original

19:41:28 BingoBoingo: It's always a good time at the Asstime Car wash

19:42:06 jurov: ass time is good time

19:44:05 mike_c: srsly BingoBoingo. those gawker sites are going to rot your brain.

19:44:31 BingoBoingo: mike_c: That's what the Vodka's for. It's a preservative.

19:45:04 jurov: BingoBoingo I gather you want to taxidermize yourself alive?

19:45:30 BingoBoingo: Slowly, hopefully it will take another century.

19:46:53 jurov: http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy6.jpg it will end up like this

19:47:06 mike_c: kakobrekla: sometimes shit gets accidentally converted to floats :) maff is hard.

19:47:20 kakobrekla: :)

19:48:15 fluffypony: jurov: what's the problem with that?

19:48:15 fluffypony: I expect to be like a well-matured red wine by the time I die

19:48:15 fluffypony: rich and full of body

19:48:41 jurov: http://stuffo.ddmcdn.com/stuffyoushouldknow/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2013/11/roguetaxidermy23.jpg imma use this for coinbr maintenance page

19:49:39 jurov: or rather 500 errors

19:50:18 jurov: !up belcher

19:50:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00085874 = 2.9627 BTC [+]

19:51:25 BingoBoingo: The monkeyfish would make a great error message.

19:57:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00085836 = 5.751 BTC [-] {2}

19:59:16 jurov: http://forum.truecrypt.ch/t/poll-what-name-would-be-best/29 vote for the last :D

19:59:16 assbot: Poll: What name would be best? - TCnext

19:59:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01856559 = 0.13 BTC [-]

19:59:58 jurov: they forgot cyphermaid/cryptmaid

20:05:17 fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1z5hnyKfBg

20:05:17 assbot: This Girl Didn't Make Her Point So Well - YouTube

20:05:18 fluffypony: lol

20:15:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.06843266 = 17.1082 BTC [-] {19}

20:19:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2050 @ 0.00006881 = 0.1411 BTC [+] {2}

20:20:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2952 @ 0.00005895 = 0.174 BTC [-] {8}

20:21:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11310 @ 0.00085506 = 9.6707 BTC [-] {2}

20:29:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5664 @ 0.00085432 = 4.8389 BTC [-]

20:30:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 669 @ 0.00036106 = 0.2415 BTC [-] {3}

20:30:31 Mats_cd03: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/iraqi-city-tikrit-falls-isil-fighters-2014611135333576799.html

20:30:32 assbot: Iraq city of Tikrit falls to ISIL fighters - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

20:33:38 Mats_cd03: opec should reconsider this morning's news

20:34:41 mike_c: bitbet: ISIL takes baghdad

20:41:59 BingoBoingo: Oh, a .net .split

20:46:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.029 = 0.116 BTC [-]

20:50:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.coindesk.com/expresscoin-launches-become-coinbase-unbanked/

20:50:25 assbot: Expresscoin Launches to Become Coinbase for the Unbanked - CoinDesk

20:51:41 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: coinbase for the unbanked << when do we get mazerati for the unmazeratied?

20:51:42 TheNewDeal: oooh dogecoin as well

20:52:11 TheNewDeal: I think the more avenues where btc/doge can be traded, the lower doge/btc will become

20:52:30 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably next week. I'll just need some fiberglass to duct tape to this lawnmower.

20:52:53 TheNewDeal: actually thats backwards

20:53:19 TheNewDeal: it will cost more doge to get one btc the more exchanges trade

20:54:22 benkay: mircea_popescu: i was under the impression the reds died out under a disease barrage from the early western explorers, far before the smallpox blankets.

20:55:37 BingoBoingo: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-11/with-the-machine-hp-may-have-invented-a-new-kind-of-computer#r=hp-lst

20:55:37 assbot: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek

20:56:31 jborkl: <asciilifeform> It was a DDOS attack it went up to 750k kpbs for a few hours this morning then stopped

20:57:51 jborkl: not really sure why though, not like it would make any difference?

21:00:37 Mats_cd03: some trivia: a lord jeffrey is responsible for the biological warfare against the reds, and today he has a bustling college town as his namesake

21:01:03 benkay: top shelf old mate

21:01:20 jborkl: ;;tldr mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time

21:01:21 gribble: Error: "tldr" is not a valid command.

21:01:32 jborkl: damnit what is it again?

21:02:12 mike_c: later tell ?

21:02:24 Mats_cd03: wot wot

21:06:00 jborkl: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I have a idea for the cherry truck, remind me next time

21:06:00 gribble: The operation succeeded.

21:06:13 jborkl: thank you mike_c

21:12:24 fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/06/11/microsoft_poised_to_take_web_server_crown_from_apache/

21:12:25 assbot: Microsoft poised to take Web server crown from Apache The Register

21:20:35 mircea_popescu: benkay so ?

21:22:04 BingoBoingo: %book

21:22:07 atcbot: 20k@265 20k@264 16k@260 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140

21:22:25 benkay: "Black population in Africa will become extinct under pressure from (legitimate) Chinese economic interest much in the way Red population in North America became extinct under pressure from (legitimate) European economic interest."

21:22:50 benkay: sounds like less of an economic pressure and more of an environmental pressure. new predators in the environment.

21:23:19 benkay: mircea_popescu:

21:24:18 mircea_popescu: it wasn't linguistic pressure

21:24:21 mircea_popescu: so it was economical

21:24:27 mircea_popescu: there's not a third.

21:28:45 []bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: booking points over 3110" http://bitbet.us/bet/899/

21:29:36 benkay: gotcha.

21:29:45 benkay: politics or economics.

21:30:01 benkay: why economics over thermodynamics?

21:30:12 mircea_popescu: but i mean what's the difference

21:30:36 jborkl: I rarely go to the forums anymore, but I guess all the actm peeps finally figured out it was a scam?

21:30:38 benkay: i guess its just politics :D

21:31:17 mircea_popescu: jborkl nah.

21:31:28 mircea_popescu: !up Radi777

21:32:04 mike_c: !t h am1

21:32:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.23211010 / 0.24845358 / 0.26100000 (47 shares, 11.67731831 BTC), 7D: 0.19301000 / 0.26587505 / 0.32900000 (1160 shares, 308.41505284 BTC), 30D: 0.11000000 / 0.29371218 / 0.50990000 (4694 shares, 1378.68495324 BTC)

21:32:15 Radi777: hey guys :)

21:32:18 mircea_popescu: ello

21:32:42 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

21:32:44 gribble: Current Blocks: 305315 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1116 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 18 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12282280955.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.4718

21:34:57 jborkl: I tried reading the actm thread and gave up,

21:36:46 Mats_cd03: brain hemorrhaging?

21:37:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 47 @ 0.0245 = 1.1515 BTC [-]

21:51:05 []bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: total red cards 18 or more" http://bitbet.us/bet/900/

21:56:25 []bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins" http://bitbet.us/bet/901/

22:00:12 fluffypony: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/warren-buffetts-30-billion-wager-on-clean-energy-is-one-of-his-safest-bets-yet

22:00:13 assbot: Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard

22:00:20 fluffypony: someone should just tell him about BitBet

22:02:23 jurov: is either side of that bitbet safe?

22:04:07 []bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: penalty kick success rate over 60%" http://bitbet.us/bet/902/

22:04:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 94 @ 0.02392752 = 2.2492 BTC [-] {16}

22:05:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06999993 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2}

22:07:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03045714 = 1.066 BTC [+] {2}

22:08:03 []bot: Bet created: "FIFA World Cup 2014: total USA goals" http://bitbet.us/bet/903/

22:10:24 mircea_popescu: <assbot> Warren Buffett's $30 Billion Wager on Clean Energy Is One of His Safest Bets Yet | Motherboard << it's very safe.

22:10:32 []bot: Bet created: "Blue Jays Flying High At All-Star Break" http://bitbet.us/bet/904/

22:10:32 mircea_popescu: we all know it's gonna lose, not much dispute.

22:11:33 jurov: how so?

22:12:35 jurov: expecting oil price to keep climbing in comparison to renewables is pretty safe assumption

22:12:42 []bot: Bet created: "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/

22:14:48 []bot: Bet created: "Neymar Wins Golden Ball" http://bitbet.us/bet/906/

22:20:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.01859916 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {2}

22:23:52 mircea_popescu: the only reason "renewables" seem economical atm is because govt picks up 80% of the tab.

22:24:01 mircea_popescu: govt won't be able to keep picking up any of the tab in the future,

22:24:05 mircea_popescu: but won't allow you to divest either.

22:24:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00085853 = 2.6614 BTC [+] {2}

22:24:21 mircea_popescu: from a business perspective, renewables = suicide.

22:26:31 jurov: fossils are heavily subsidised, either

22:27:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]

22:27:37 mike_c: BingoBoingo, you still want to sell some no?

22:29:01 jurov: plus, if musk succeeds to get prices of batteries down

22:29:18 mircea_popescu: fossils are not subsidised, fossils are taxed

22:29:19 jurov: .... but dunno i know, maybe it's all just a bubble

22:29:20 mircea_popescu: about the same 80%

22:29:36 mircea_popescu: so currently, the situation is that in the marketplace, a kilo of beef costs 11 and a kilo of pork costs 13

22:29:55 mircea_popescu: except, the beef costs 48 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 37 loss to the government

22:30:10 mircea_popescu: whereas pork costs 3 to produce, and every kilo sold is a 10 gain to the government.

22:30:26 mircea_popescu: the idea that stuff costing 50 will be able to compete with stuff costing 3 once the govt is out of the picture is nutty

22:30:48 jurov: now the earth gas supplied to europe is which one?

22:31:00 mircea_popescu: you mean methane ? ch4?

22:31:11 jurov: here only household gas is subsidised

22:31:22 mircea_popescu: if you mean natural gas, it's pork.

22:31:26 jurov: industrial usage is not

22:32:01 jurov: how it is a gain to the govt? slovak one, not russian

22:32:16 mircea_popescu: nobody cares about slovak one :)

22:32:34 mircea_popescu: the us (and eu) are being crushed atm because they're paying the 37, whereas russia, saudi arabia etc are pocketing the 10

22:33:55 jurov: and solar/wind is expensive to install, not to produce

22:34:41 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'd be amenable to selling up to half my bitcoin's stake in that bet.

22:34:43 jurov: the expectation is for the 48 to get down, and for 3 to get up

22:35:18 mike_c: BingoBoingo: this is b39, right?

22:35:34 jurov: i really don't know if it's realistic, but i don't think buffett haven't done any math around it

22:35:37 mircea_popescu: jurov install and maintain.

22:35:57 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Indeed it is.

22:36:08 mircea_popescu: jurov i think he's done plenty of math. it goes like this : "im too old to get it up anymore. will be dead soon anyway. who the fuck cares."

22:36:15 mike_c: and you are offering it at cost, yes? half for 0.5?

22:37:15 BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm amenable to offering it at a discount, i.e. selling the 0.5 stake for less than 0.5 BTC.

22:37:27 jurov: afaik maintenance is the part that is currently heavily subsidized for fossils

22:37:33 mircea_popescu: you two are gonna write a gpg contract ?

22:37:35 mike_c: what fun is that. i'll take it at cost.

22:37:37 mircea_popescu: this is getting excited.

22:38:03 BingoBoingo: mike_c: Sold.

22:38:29 mike_c: k, send addr sometime and i will send payment

22:39:03 BingoBoingo: mike_c: The payout address for that bet works 1PzuSnKaJsKwgyAqb6sqc5nsw55v2MnHoz

22:39:44 mike_c: ok. i'm going to send from a hot wallet, so don't send my winnings back there :)

22:39:50 mike_c: er, shared wallet

22:40:14 BingoBoingo: Alright. When summer cooks the miners and its time to pay you I'll ask for an address.

22:41:04 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TheNewDeal I'm afraid I'm out of 'No' stake to sell without losing my excitement.

22:41:06 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:41:24 TheNewDeal: haha mkya

22:41:27 TheNewDeal: mkay

22:41:38 kakobrekla: should be an auction or smth

22:43:16 BingoBoingo: Well, it kind of was.

22:43:54 jurov: well, stockholm forecast is up to balmy 24C .. not something to fry knc datacenter

22:44:06 jurov: ove next week

22:44:12 jurov: where's asicminer housed?

22:45:15 BingoBoingo: Well, knc ships miners out to other people doesn't it? I think Asicminer is somewhere costal south China.

22:45:21 jurov: looks like it's hongkong

22:45:42 jurov: 33C in Sunday, otherwise less

22:46:45 jurov: just picked most concentrated spots

22:47:56 BingoBoingo: I'm also considering less concentrated spots, like the Hillbillies in Texas and the MiddleWest whose data center is their garage.

22:48:05 kakobrekla: aynone took a look at this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=647457.0;topicseen

22:48:06 assbot: bitsquare.io - The P2P Fiat-Bitcoin Exchange

22:48:13 jurov: how many asics are there?

22:48:37 jurov: in hillbillies'garages?

22:49:12 jurov: pool ddos will have much higher effect imo

22:49:32 BingoBoingo: Well does Slaughter actually have a datacenter?

22:49:48 BingoBoingo: I doubt it, but I bet he has a garage.

22:50:17 jurov: how many % actm has?

22:50:56 BingoBoingo: No idea, but there's a bunch of forum tards and such out there...

22:51:28 jurov: he's using forum tards to generate hashrate?

22:51:46 BingoBoingo: I think so.

22:53:10 BingoBoingo: Thank you mike_c

22:53:37 mike_c: no thank you! we'll be the first ever to make money betting against difficulty :)

22:53:53 jurov: mike_c rly?

22:53:54 mike_c: i think we'll lose, but i like the odds now.

22:54:17 mike_c: jurov: first best greatest

22:54:17 jurov: iDiff-* was introduced when? a year ago?

22:54:41 mike_c: nobody has made money on idiffs betting against difficulty, that's for sure.

22:54:47 jurov: i did

22:54:56 mike_c: no way. they've all been capped?

22:55:00 jurov: till tat + asics came around

22:55:27 BingoBoingo: lol

22:55:56 jurov: to be precise, i did not bet against difficulty, too. just sold them at sufficiently high price

22:56:01 TheNewDeal: actually I made money betting no for april http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ and may http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/

22:56:01 assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April :: 9.83 B (5%) on Yes, 180.55 B (95%) on No | closed 2 months 3 weeks ago

22:56:01 assbot: BitBet - May I suggest 9B difficulty? :: 6.44 B (8%) on Yes, 72.03 B (92%) on No | closed 1 month 2 weeks ago

22:56:28 mike_c: fine, we won't be the first. but still best greatest.

22:57:51 jurov: on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing?

22:57:52 BingoBoingo: !mpif

22:57:53 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021649 BTC (Total: 433.00 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]

22:57:57 TheNewDeal: 1K4Fs has virtually 60% of the no

22:58:06 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That's mircea_popescu

22:58:14 TheNewDeal: indeed

22:58:17 BingoBoingo: It helps to know the other bettors

23:05:26 BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

23:05:34 gribble: Time since last block: 11 minutes and 24 seconds

23:08:17 mircea_popescu: <jurov> on that note, can't be some mpif put into idiff MMing? << too risky

23:08:46 TheNewDeal: too frisky?!

23:09:31 BingoBoingo: Altcoin, Less Risky than Idiff

23:09:32 TheNewDeal: Altcoin makes the cut, but idiff is too frisky?

23:10:50 mircea_popescu: yeah.

23:10:55 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1XARHGT.txt )

23:10:55 BingoBoingo: !b 5

23:10:57 mircea_popescu: altcoin is pretty much risk free.

23:11:48 TheNewDeal: on my screen, it shows my message before

23:12:10 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That's because your screen plays favorites

23:12:31 BingoBoingo: ;;rate TheNewDeal's screen -1 Biased

23:12:31 gribble: Error: 'screen' is not a valid integer.

23:12:37 TheNewDeal: hahaha

23:13:26 kakobrekla: altcoin can only lose 200 satoshi.

23:13:41 BingoBoingo: %ticker

23:13:42 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 250 Last Price: 143 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A

23:13:48 kakobrekla: +-

23:13:54 mike_c: 57 down, 143 to go

23:14:28 BingoBoingo: I hope ATC crashes to Doge prices for a while.

23:14:40 kakobrekla: how much is doge

23:14:46 mike_c: not with this nethash

23:14:58 mike_c: it's at like 6 th/s

23:15:06 mircea_popescu: doge is what, 50 by now ?

23:15:06 BingoBoingo: %diff

23:15:07 kakobrekla: which?

23:15:08 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 502280.32 in 1204 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -29.79

23:15:17 mike_c: kakobrekla: atc.

23:15:27 kakobrekla: and dropping

23:15:34 mike_c: not exactly

23:15:45 kakobrekla: just approximatley?

23:15:51 mike_c: nethash was at 5 th/s. then it plummetted to 1 th/s after last diff change.

23:15:55 BingoBoingo: Doge is about 68 satoshis

23:15:56 mike_c: that lasted a bit

23:16:01 mike_c: and now it's at 6 th/s

23:16:10 kakobrekla: O_o

23:16:16 kakobrekla: someone hopping the diff?

23:16:23 Apocalyptic: yeah unbalanced rent some hashpower

23:16:37 mike_c: two parties involved. pool-hoppers, and then unbalanced trying to screw the pool hoppers.

23:16:38 Apocalyptic: to avoid these hoppers

23:16:55 mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> and dropping << nah was -80% a coupla days ago

23:17:37 kakobrekla: so its dropping less :p

23:17:58 mike_c: well diff is :) but nethash isn't

23:18:14 kakobrekla: yeah nethash is just being hopped

23:19:08 mike_c: yeah. it's a bit of a mess. but such is the life of a young altcoin.

23:19:28 kakobrekla: the way of the road.

23:22:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0233 = 0.233 BTC [-]

23:29:01 benkay: <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 65 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0004. 24 hr volume: 944 megadoge

23:33:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.01902 = 0.1712 BTC [+]