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00:01:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133200 @ 0.00035784 = 47.6643 BTC [-] {3}

00:02:15 funkenstein_: the latest ben fulford piece is pretty good

00:02:36 funkenstein_: not sure why i like him, considering a decade of wrong predictions once a week

00:04:48 mircea_popescu: lol

00:07:57 mircea_popescu: and since we're talking art an' freedom, http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-soft-underbelly-of-hedonism-exposed/

00:07:57 assbot: The soft underbelly of hedonism, exposed. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I2HiL0 )

00:14:07 funkenstein_: i can smell that sundae :)

00:14:24 funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159811 <-- reminds me of a joke translated to me from mandarin

00:14:24 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 21:40:27; trinque: I'm skeptical of the american notion of individualism, but am not precisely sure how far to take that skepticism

00:14:51 funkenstein_: american, african, and chinese are all asked, what's your opinion of your country's food?

00:15:05 funkenstein_: american says: wait what's my country?

00:15:15 funkenstein_: african says: wait what's food?

00:15:26 funkenstein_: chinese says: wait, what's my opinion?

00:17:46 mircea_popescu: lol

00:45:52 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159963 << go ahead & generate a few million 4096-bit turds using your favourite /dev/random. see how many divisible by 29.

00:45:52 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 23:57:56; mircea_popescu: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E << interesting how these cluster. now we have a pure M * 29. rather than 11 or 13 rounding out, we get 29 diverging even further from expectation.

00:46:13 mircea_popescu: just about every 30th :D

00:46:50 asciilifeform: so whence the 'divergence from expectation' ?

00:50:14 mircea_popescu: we currently have 29 like 4 times (expected 2ish) and 11 or 13 0 times

00:50:26 mircea_popescu: this is all re http://fraudsters.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/

00:50:27 assbot: The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3ZkFJ )

00:50:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try confining the search to the non-mirrored moduli

00:50:58 asciilifeform: although these, too, may have odd properties, being (as far as i can determine) mutilated versions of 'proper' ones

00:51:41 asciilifeform: not certain if we have a sufficiently large sample of these to make solid empirical conjecture

00:51:58 asciilifeform: (number theorists in the audience, please ready your barf bags)

00:54:02 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i prefer: 'american says: what's food? chinese says: country ? african: wait, someone asked for my opinion?!'

00:55:37 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159915 << the problem with agreeing to become the ball in a game of liberasty football is that, well, folks will kick you

00:55:37 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 22:26:59; nubbins`: imagine being so empty of purpose that you put actual energy into creating internet fat shame memes

00:59:30 asciilifeform: !up Vexual

01:00:03 Vexual: hi, the amount of alcohol required to parse the logs is increasing

01:02:04 asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: did we ever discuss nuking the 'randomized change address' thing ?

01:02:17 asciilifeform: because in my considered opinion, it is clinically retarded

01:02:28 asciilifeform: and must die (tm)

01:02:48 Vexual: just a matter of time

01:03:21 Vexual: what the foundation policy on sending small amounts?

01:03:22 asciilifeform: Vexual: none of this is 'matter of time.' if we shoot it in the head, it dies. otherwise - lives.

01:03:31 asciilifeform: and i don't see how amounts matter.

01:03:46 Vexual: yeah, that was more aabout the amount of alcohol reqd

01:03:51 asciilifeform: l0l

01:04:28 Vexual: so why disallow sending 1 satoshi?

01:04:39 asciilifeform: Vexual: go, send

01:04:54 asciilifeform: other folks won't retransmit, because 'sheepskin not worth the tanning'

01:05:41 Vexual: yes yes

01:06:19 asciilifeform: Vexual: we're not in the business of trying to euchre strange into the network rules. for that, go straight to phoundation.

01:06:59 asciilifeform: i'm kinda surprised that gavin and his merry gnomish friends have not attempted to reinstate 'dust'

01:07:02 asciilifeform: to help fill blocks

01:07:19 Vexual: what of poorly designed services that might send unconfirmed amounts with fees then?

01:07:31 Vexual: another matter^

01:07:43 asciilifeform: what of poorly designed services that connect a user's mouth to his own arse ?

01:08:10 Vexual: well im postulating, i dont know of any

01:09:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the problem with it ?

01:10:07 asciilifeform: with what ?

01:11:08 Vexual: dust

01:11:52 asciilifeform: Vexual: just postulating that gavin & co would like to see blocks fill up, to help push their phork

01:14:58 funkenstein_: lifting all these blocks gonna give me a hearneia

01:15:21 mircea_popescu: the change address

01:15:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the classical 'random change address' is absolutely lethal to wallet backups

01:15:43 asciilifeform: thought that this was obvious to all

01:16:36 asciilifeform: i have serious trouble grasping what justification there could possibly be for it

01:17:33 asciilifeform: i can't fathom how a serious bitcoin user would be willing to tolerate it.

01:17:47 mircea_popescu: nothing prevents you from generating any arbitrary count of addresses.

01:17:57 funkenstein_: one solution is to just rip out all the wallet stuff completely

01:18:09 mircea_popescu: moreover, backups should be periodic anyway.

01:18:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking here of the default 'sendtoaddress' behaviour.

01:18:22 mircea_popescu: yes

01:18:34 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: we spoke of this. i say that'd be braindamaged, because we are maintaining a -reference client-

01:18:34 mircea_popescu: you can pre-load your wallet with 100k addresses for future use.

01:18:41 asciilifeform: which means that it is a complete description of bitcoin.

01:18:49 asciilifeform: this is why the cpu miner stays

01:19:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, you can. but bitcoind as we have it will generate a 100,001th if you fire it.

01:19:57 asciilifeform: (alternatively, we could deprecate 'sendtoaddress' in favour of 'sendmany' only)

01:20:23 mircea_popescu: alternatively we could just leave this be for now and focus on CLOSING things rather than opening new things before we closed anything.

01:20:39 asciilifeform: did not say it has to be shot -today-.

01:20:44 mircea_popescu: aha.

01:20:45 asciilifeform: (not like it's a hard patch)

01:20:50 asciilifeform: but as overall question.

01:21:03 asciilifeform: why keep a pistol that fires towards the hilt in your pistol collection ?

01:21:35 funkenstein_: by random change address, I thought you meant the order it is listed in the TX

01:21:38 mircea_popescu: because it's your father's pistol collection and nobody asked you anything ?

01:22:06 mircea_popescu: throwing out the pistols that are on fire is one thing

01:22:12 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by that token, ought not to touch any of it, l0l

01:22:12 mircea_popescu: but the rest can be shaved later

01:22:17 mircea_popescu: well...

01:23:13 asciilifeform: i see the 'generate change addr' as a boobytrap for the unwary (and extra lines of code) with no rational justification for continued existence

01:23:16 asciilifeform: but that's just me.

01:23:31 mircea_popescu: but anyway, the change address mechanism is bizarre, esp in its interraction with backups, but imo not actually doing anything bad. you shouldn't have backups that it affects negatively anyway, if you comprehend backups.

01:23:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how do you propose to create a backup that it won't affect ?

01:24:00 mircea_popescu: there's a huge difference from taking out harmful stuff and taking out spurious stuff. these are never ghoing to be the first step, and we've not completed the first step yet

01:24:05 mircea_popescu: ergo, they're untouchable for now

01:24:25 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when you speak of "a" backup you're already out in cosmic space. backups are a process not an item.

01:24:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'generate addr' for instance prevents the use of the hypothetical 'brainwallet' machine discussed earlier.

01:25:08 mircea_popescu: tough :D

01:25:35 asciilifeform: well, on closer look, it doesn't.

01:25:47 asciilifeform: (you craft a tx and feed it into the machine for signing, when you visit the darkroom)

01:27:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of 'hands off father's pistols,' i'm still waiting for a 'meta,' 'theevenmorerealbitcoin.org' which will take issue with the excision of 'orphans' etc

01:28:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8872 @ 0.00037892 = 3.3618 BTC [+]

01:28:10 asciilifeform: if the enemy had any class to speak of, this'd be a master trolltron

01:30:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5081 @ 0.00037212 = 1.8907 BTC [-]

01:30:25 asciilifeform: unrelated:

01:30:39 asciilifeform: has anyone contemplated collecting the set of sks keys which crash the parser ?

01:30:45 asciilifeform: i bet a good chunk of those is stego blob

01:30:49 asciilifeform: for botnet c&c, etc.

01:31:01 asciilifeform: (since sks will apparently host -anything- purporting to be a key)

01:31:09 asciilifeform: and - apparently - permanently

01:32:04 asciilifeform: or is this, too, folks are waiting for me to do.

01:32:07 asciilifeform: there is no reason to wait!

01:32:11 asciilifeform: it isn't hard or anything.

01:32:37 asciilifeform: not like i didn't post example code here.

01:33:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25909 @ 0.00037212 = 9.6413 BTC [-]

01:33:26 funkenstein_: easier to use pastebin or mega methinks

01:33:33 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: nope.

01:33:43 asciilifeform: funkenstein_: both are heavily censored, and entirely centralized

01:33:51 asciilifeform: sks is more like usenet

01:33:57 asciilifeform: write-only

01:34:12 asciilifeform: or rather, write-once

01:34:30 asciilifeform: i'm frankly surprised that it hasn't been spammed to cinders

01:34:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enemy is not in it for aesthetic considerations

01:35:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aethetics are not entirely separable from utility here

01:35:13 asciilifeform: in a propaganda war

01:36:05 mircea_popescu: maybe, but this cockroach doesn't fly.

01:36:48 asciilifeform: but where are the other insects, which -do- fly ?

01:36:51 asciilifeform: why absent ?

01:37:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform judging by the alleged models they use, i'd be surprised too. except i don't believe even for a second the inept allegations of the shithead ycombinator parade.

01:37:39 asciilifeform: which allegations ?

01:38:10 *: asciilifeform has not been keeping up with the flea circus

01:39:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21751 @ 0.00037892 = 8.2419 BTC [+]

01:45:05 mircea_popescu: that "this is just how sks servers work"

01:45:42 asciilifeform: not like the code is not public

01:45:47 asciilifeform: who wants - go, read.

01:52:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00037677 = 4.427 BTC [-]

01:56:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.0003771 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2}

01:57:28 decimation: asciilifeform: are you saying google is gonna buy sks servers and slowly fade them away?

01:57:57 mod6: Going back to this error from lastnight: net.cpp:1358:23: error: 'INT64_MIN' was not declared in this scope

01:59:18 decimation: mod6 is there an INT64_MIN in bitcoin? jurov's tool doesn't see it

01:59:33 mod6: here's what I discovered: ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' is in ``headers.h''. But if I add ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' directly after the #define in net.cpp, then it compiles fine. I found the same errors in util.cpp and wallet.cpp. Added those two lines fixes it in all places.

02:00:26 mod6: decimation: should be line 1359 int64 nBest = INT64_MIN; of (net.cpp)

02:01:09 mod6: im not sure what jurov's thing shows. i go by what's in the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE.tar.gz with hash: 5c41fe6cf286770a25bf61ab0c35747d0c760f8656754296d2e1d3c4274b5686

02:01:21 decimation: ls

02:03:15 mod6: anyway, after I fixed those hiccups, then I ran into this when linking. any thoughts here? this is a gentoo with nearly nothing installed... : http://dpaste.com/0HQTB32.txt

02:03:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXrLiy )

02:05:05 decimation: INT64_MIN is defined in stdint.h on my redhat machine

02:05:18 decimation: adding #include <stdint.h> should be cool

02:06:54 decimation: the linker is saying it can't find your built libssl and libcrypto

02:07:08 mod6: yeah, i tried with just ``#include <stdint.h>'', no dice, same error. my /usr/include/stdint.h has: #if !defined __cplusplus || defined __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS ... # define INT64_MIN (-__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)-1)

02:07:49 mod6: <+decimation> the linker is saying it can't find your built libssl and libcrypto << hmm i guess i can understand libcrypto, but openssl was built with auto.sh... would have though it could ifnd it..

02:08:03 decimation: did it actually build?

02:08:21 mod6: ip-172-31-2-241 bitcoin-v0_5_3_1 # whereis libcrypto libcrypto: /usr/lib/libcrypto.so

02:08:30 mod6: ah, it's an .so... so maybe it's looking for a .a

02:08:34 decimation: yep

02:08:44 decimation: you told it -Wl,-Bstatic

02:08:49 mod6: openssl? yeah, i believe it built just fine.

02:09:05 mod6: I have that whole part saved in a typescript. lemme check

02:09:16 decimation: is your target libcrypto and libssl in /usr/lib or in your built auto.sh targets?

02:10:32 decimation: like, libssl.a and libcrypto.a should be in /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib

02:12:31 mod6: ip-172-31-2-241 sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc # find /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc -name "*libssl*" \ /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/libssl.pc \ /mnt/btc-dev/sandbox-20150609-v0531-gentoo-uclibc/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/libssl.a

02:12:49 decimation: yeah but that's not in ourlibs/lib

02:12:50 mod6: the typescript does say that it had some error installing the documents or something though, but other than that, looks ok.

02:13:07 decimation: yeah and when it failed to install documents it didn't move it to ourlibs/lib

02:13:15 decimation: which is where bitcoin's makefile wants it

02:13:27 decimation: you are probably missing that one tool

02:13:28 mod6: ah, thanks decimation. that's probably the other part of what nubbins` was saying before about not being copied correctly. i had to copy the headers by hand for it to compile...

02:13:31 decimation: I think I told you about the docs

02:13:36 mod6: ah, ok.

02:14:30 decimation: I remember looking into it

02:14:37 decimation: I think I solved it by turning off doc generation

02:16:10 mod6: ok copied libcrypto.a and libssl.a into ourlibs/lib

02:16:17 mod6: got passed that problem... but now have something else.

02:17:17 decimation: yeah it's that perl doc bullshit

02:17:24 decimation: it makes make install fail

02:17:35 mod6: http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt

02:17:36 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXtxAn )

02:22:46 decimation: it's a weak symbol, the unwind shit is related to debugging

02:27:40 decimation: I'm not sure what the issue is exactly, it's probably some complicated ulibc <-> gcc interaction

02:29:02 mod6: hmm. well, this didn't help either: recompile with -fPIC

02:29:18 mod6: maybe I have it in the wrong spot though.

02:31:43 mod6: gentoo has a page that mentions PIEs & PICs... maybe i can try without -fPIE and see what happens.

02:33:03 mod6: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hardened/Toolchain

02:33:04 assbot: Hardened/Toolchain - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXvJYH )

02:39:28 mod6: didn't seem to help: http://dpaste.com/0FV0TC3.txt

02:39:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KXwD7n )

02:39:29 mod6: hmm...

02:42:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32484 @ 0.00036214 = 11.7638 BTC [-] {2}

02:43:14 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14266 @ 0.0003576 = 5.1015 BTC [-]

02:50:45 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160111 << i spoke of this a month or two ago. afaik - unsolved

02:50:45 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 02:07:08; mod6: yeah, i tried with just ``#include <stdint.h>'', no dice, same error. my /usr/include/stdint.h has: #if !defined __cplusplus || defined __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS ... # define INT64_MIN (-__INT64_C(9223372036854775807)-1)

02:51:17 asciilifeform: !s stdint

02:51:18 assbot: 8 results for 'stdint' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=stdint

02:51:49 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160137 << you still have dns invocations in there

02:51:49 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 02:17:35; mod6: http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt

02:54:15 mod6: oh you think that's causing this issue?

02:54:26 asciilifeform: mod6: two separate issues here!

02:55:38 mod6: well, i've got the stdint thing figured out for the time being. i've applied your patch "asciilifeform-kills-integer-retardation.patch" and "nubs-gentoo-sanity.patch".

02:55:57 asciilifeform: this worked ?

02:57:07 mod6: no, those where in there from the beginning. i ended up adding ``#define __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS'' with ``#include <stdint.h>'' to net.cpp, util.cpp and wallet.cpp and then is ok.

02:57:39 mod6: the other issue is the linking thing...

02:58:54 mod6: the linker is saying that an R_X86_64_PC32 relocation against an undefined symbol can't be used in a shared object... maybe your removal of the dns shit fixes this. not sure. will try adding that patch as well if this next thing doesn't work.

02:59:10 asciilifeform: what symbol ?

03:00:45 mod6: __GI___pthread_cleanup_upto

03:01:16 asciilifeform: ferphuxxsake

03:01:23 asciilifeform: what triggers this ?

03:01:50 mod6: did you look at this? http://dpaste.com/2PJ42CQ.txt

03:01:51 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDGUr )

03:02:45 mod6: unless i'm just dumb, and it's related to "getnameinfo()", but i honestly didn't think it was reated.

03:02:48 mod6: *related

03:03:14 asciilifeform: methinks we got our first uclibc-ism here

03:03:20 decimation: no getnameifo isn't at fault

03:03:30 decimation: it's something to do with linking between ulibc, gcc, pthread

03:03:39 asciilifeform: try building a boost-y 'hello world' statically with uclibc

03:03:41 decimation: http://blog.docker.com/2013/06/create-light-weight-docker-containers-buildroot/ < some dude found the same problem

03:03:42 assbot: Create lightweight Docker containers with Buildroot | Docker Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHDSmF )

03:05:02 mod6: decimation: i saw that there. lol, there aren't many people who've encoutered this.

03:05:10 decimation: not this exact error, no

03:05:24 asciilifeform: the set of folks doing static builds today consists - approximately - of us.

03:05:36 asciilifeform: (and perhaps the linuxbios folks)

03:05:58 mircea_popescu: and some more isolated pockets, but yeah

03:06:07 decimation: yeah

03:06:10 asciilifeform: microcontroller folks, too

03:06:18 asciilifeform: but none of'em are stuck with cpp, much less 'boost'

03:09:26 decimation: heh yeah only crazies would consider writing cpp for embedded or static linking

03:09:38 decimation: mod6 what version of ulibc are you using

03:09:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3510 @ 0.00036274 = 1.2732 BTC [+]

03:10:03 decimation: http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/ChangeLog-0.9.31_0.9.32 < "Date: Fri May 27 17:08:36 2011 +0200 Fix build issue due to missing symbols in !NPTL case: - _longjmp_unwind"

03:10:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHECIt )

03:11:03 asciilifeform: does uclibs even contain setjmp() routines ?

03:11:10 asciilifeform: *uclibc

03:11:33 *: asciilifeform looks, learns that it does. or claims to.

03:13:51 mod6: <+decimation> mod6 what version of ulibc are you using << lemme see what i can find.

03:16:04 mod6: 0.9.33.2 looks like: http://dpaste.com/21W7WXW.txt

03:16:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqF6jN )

03:16:37 decimation: asciilifeform: http://bugs.rosalinux.ru/show_bug.cgi?id=1127

03:16:39 assbot: Bug 1127 – segmentation fault error when the busybox execute ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFdvI )

03:16:57 decimation: https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=32219

03:16:59 assbot: 32219 – optimizer causes wrong code in pic/hidden/weak symbol checking. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqFheX )

03:18:22 decimation: lol it's a gcc bug reported in 2007, not fixed until 2015

03:18:38 decimation: mod6: what version of gcc are you using

03:18:55 mod6: gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4

03:19:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53378 @ 0.00035927 = 19.1771 BTC [-] {2}

03:32:10 decimation: unless the fix was backported, you need gcc 5.1

03:32:43 decimation: if it's this gcc bug, it wasn't fixed until 13 feb 2015

03:34:37 decimation: https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue

03:34:38 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHHRQ2 )

03:36:42 mod6: hmm...

03:46:10 mod6: so this might not be a problem, but i was just looking at the environement to see if something is out of whack. it seems the /usr/bin/gcc isn't quite the same as the /usr/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc/gcc-bin/4.8.4/x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc : http://dpaste.com/19T1QMN.txt

03:46:11 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJehC )

03:46:15 mod6: Is this wrong?

03:47:09 mod6: they do have different hashes, etc.

03:47:56 decimation: I'm not sure, but I do know if that if the fix I found above isn't integrated it might not matter

03:48:47 mod6: yeah. it seems weird from that other link that uclibc should have a fix applied in branch 0.9.32, or did i misunderstand that.

03:49:12 mod6: so thinking that my 0.9.33.2 /should/ be okay...

03:51:11 mod6: <+decimation> https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2015-02/msg00410.html < gcc patch that maybe fixed the issue << is there any likelihood that this patch can be applied to 4.8.4? or is 5.x required?

03:51:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IHJJIt )

03:51:38 decimation: I donno, I'm not a gcc expert

03:52:11 mod6: ok. np. the message didn't say. i guess i could try pulling the 4.8.4 source or whatever and see.

03:52:59 mod6: i would think i would need to build whatevre this is: x86_64-gentoo-linux-uclibc-gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.8.4 p1.5, pie-0.6.1) 4.8.4 + the obscure patch in msg00410

03:53:44 mod6: makes me as jumpy as a longtalied cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

03:54:08 decimation: hehe me too

03:56:00 decimation: !up bekusoararu

03:57:08 mod6: mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic.

03:59:23 bekusoararu: ^^

04:00:01 *: bekusoararu bows

04:07:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87300 @ 0.00037653 = 32.8711 BTC [+] {2}

04:16:46 bekusoararu: ;seen duffer

04:18:47 bekusoararu: balls deep i suppose

04:20:49 bekusoararu: !s richard prior

04:20:50 assbot: 0 results for 'richard prior' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=richard+prior

04:21:10 trinque: pryor?

04:21:40 bekusoararu: yuo just seem to know everything

04:22:16 trinque: unlikely, but I know that

04:22:30 bekusoararu: i know you, i ike you

04:23:29 bekusoararu: noone doesnt

04:23:53 bekusoararu: you just got a tony

04:25:09 bekusoararu: !g dirtycash dizzee

04:25:34 bekusoararu: nevermind

04:26:38 bekusoararu: i confer helen mirrin rights upon trinque

04:28:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00037372 = 6.3159 BTC [-]

04:35:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00037194 = 6.5833 BTC [-] {2}

04:55:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.0003576 = 4.0051 BTC [-]

05:11:40 mircea_popescu: !up laylagottawatch

05:12:10 laylagottawatch: 8premKyl5nc

05:13:02 laylagottawatch: seriously tho people say how eric clapton bout this watch or that watch, who gives a shizen

05:14:02 mircea_popescu: <mod6> mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. << WUT ?!

05:21:25 laylagottawatch: nobody has a watch

05:22:00 laylagottawatch: they were all stolen long ago

05:28:19 laylagottawatch: kinda necessary for bitcoin tho

05:29:31 laylagottawatch: ektsOP8yOQM

05:33:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00037307 = 8.8045 BTC [+] {2}

05:34:55 laylagottawatch: !g diesel!g johnny diesel and the injectors

05:36:00 laylagottawatch: 9K0vKfpfpx8

05:36:28 laylagottawatch: cry in shame

05:36:52 laylagottawatch: b00STMSnu1s

05:38:17 laylagottawatch: notice fp onn thge couch

05:41:56 laylagottawatch: ]funkenstein knows the sax guy\

05:42:59 davout: wtf am i reading

05:54:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00037243 = 5.5492 BTC [-] {3}

05:58:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00037923 = 7.3571 BTC [+]

06:16:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22082 @ 0.00037952 = 8.3806 BTC [+] {2}

06:39:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.0003576 = 10.2452 BTC [-]

06:55:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10311 @ 0.00036026 = 3.7146 BTC [+]

07:07:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00035675 = 12.9679 BTC [-] {2}

07:17:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00036026 = 3.8007 BTC [+]

07:22:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7939 @ 0.00036026 = 2.8601 BTC [+]

07:32:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00036446 = 2.3508 BTC [+]

07:44:56 punkman: !up ben_vulpes

07:45:15 ben_vulpes: ty punkman

07:45:44 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'change addr' << i have banged on at length about this brain damage

07:56:37 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159166 <<< nah, that's not the conversation i was trying to have, just letting you both know so you don't assume i've wandered off

07:56:37 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 15:29:44; mircea_popescu: cazalla well, dja wanna quit ?

07:57:45 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159168 <<< trans girl who 4chan furiously jacked it to until they found out she was trans.. some continued anyway https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2442/3630600841_172e5551e1.jpg

07:57:45 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 15:39:41; mircea_popescu: who/what is a bailey jay

07:57:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1I3h0bm )

08:07:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00037456 = 6.1428 BTC [+] {2}

08:19:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00036887 = 5.6437 BTC [-]

08:22:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00036412 = 14.6922 BTC [-] {2}

08:29:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10230 @ 0.00036887 = 3.7735 BTC [+]

08:36:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00037885 = 3.3718 BTC [+] {2}

08:40:40 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159739 <<< http://i.imgur.com/LFtCt55.png

08:40:40 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 20:31:23; BingoBoingo: Fuck you reddit. The one time there is something almost worthwhile they kill it https://www.reddit.com/r/fatpeoplehate

08:40:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JM5OUV )

08:41:59 cazalla: which is really strange given coontown does target (reddit's ver of targeting) people

08:42:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00037954 = 11.8416 BTC [+]

09:07:01 cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159784 <<< that's bad but i think this is worse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTHbY9mVYAM

09:07:01 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 21:21:40; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159520 << re: "high functioning autism" -- I just found out about this internet phenomenon -> https://youtu.be/wEKLxgRJnAc?t=2m20s

09:07:02 assbot: VINE MARATHON VOLUME 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1JM7uOp )

09:09:07 shinohai: The mix tape for a new generation.

09:16:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00037954 = 9.1279 BTC [+]

09:23:17 shinohai: https://twitter.com/LivingComputers/status/608829778360033280/photo/1

09:31:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00037954 = 7.439 BTC [+]

09:48:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15320 @ 0.00037442 = 5.7361 BTC [-] {2}

09:49:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89030 @ 0.00036919 = 32.869 BTC [-] {2}

09:58:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00037954 = 1.5941 BTC [+]

10:00:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00037954 = 8.6156 BTC [+]

10:08:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00036206 = 1.7922 BTC [-] {2}

10:11:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.0003565 = 28.8409 BTC [-] {4}

10:28:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32073 @ 0.00037954 = 12.173 BTC [+]

10:37:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.00037954 = 14.821 BTC [+]

10:44:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00037954 = 7.3251 BTC [+]

11:42:04 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00035513 = 2.7523 BTC [-]

11:42:42 punkman: http://aripecola.tumblr.com/post/115523611261/i-love-science-i-think-its-the-most-beautiful

11:42:43 assbot: benby brilliance ... ( http://bit.ly/1QqSpHq )

11:44:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00037351 = 13.8199 BTC [+] {2}

11:44:28 shinohai: biodiversity is an interesting subject.

11:46:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00037954 = 5.4464 BTC [+]

12:01:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00037954 = 14.1379 BTC [+]

12:14:30 nubbins`: "the fact that most people won’t learn about sexual variation until COLLEGE is ... VIOLENT"

12:14:31 nubbins`: o.O

12:15:03 nubbins`: the fact that "Leah, 20." feels the education system should be the primary educator of children is telling

12:17:18 nubbins`: http://aripecola.tumblr.com/post/121184028396/obeykingafrica-short-hair-dont-care-also-i

12:17:19 assbot: benby brilliance ... ( http://bit.ly/1f4M57B )

12:17:21 nubbins`: and i'm done

12:17:37 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE9JlONzrVU

12:17:38 assbot: Your standard fuckparty. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f4M7MX )

12:18:37 nubbins`: i've been trying to sell a single bitcoin in -otc for three days

12:19:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33136 @ 0.00036279 = 12.0214 BTC [-] {2}

12:22:59 nubbins`: !up Guest24615

12:35:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37200 @ 0.00037954 = 14.1189 BTC [+]

12:38:23 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

12:38:23 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00035086 / 0.00036706 / 0.00037954 (2532822 shares, 929.71 BTC), 7D: 0.00031746 / 0.00035429 / 0.00037954 (38569463 shares, 13,665.09 BTC), 30D: 0.00024032 / 0.00030726 / 0.00037954 (137645789 shares, 42,294.10 BTC)

12:44:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00036151 = 15.9607 BTC [-]

12:59:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00038028 = 7.9098 BTC [+] {2}

12:59:40 mircea_popescu: and in breakfast news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maj3va0iHC1rewmkdo1_1280.jpg

12:59:41 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUJS4g )

13:03:57 nubbins`: now that's a spicy meatball

13:04:57 mircea_popescu: she doesn't look like she got enough sauce on hers.

13:05:58 nubbins`: i think she ordered the vegetarian spaghetti

13:06:19 *: nubbins` contemplates making meatballs

13:06:55 mircea_popescu: that's good, a slut somewhere's contemplating eating manballs.

13:07:32 nubbins`: tesla batteries would be great for my home, if (a) non-peak rates were offered here, or (b) net metering was an option

13:07:39 asciilifeform: so my neighbour's house has been in the care of garbage men wearing gas masks for a week now.

13:07:49 nubbins`: asciilifeform !!

13:07:51 asciilifeform: they are also wearing sacks over their shoes

13:08:02 nubbins`: obola?

13:08:11 nubbins`: was this the neighbour who'd been broken into?

13:08:14 asciilifeform: nubbins`: cat woman

13:08:18 nubbins`: o.

13:08:23 mircea_popescu: oh.

13:08:26 mircea_popescu: i was hoping for aliens.

13:08:27 nubbins`: i guess she's not a cat woman anymore.

13:08:37 asciilifeform: nubbins`: not clear where the beasties went

13:08:48 asciilifeform: they put out zoological traps but none sprang

13:08:48 nubbins`: humane services, most likely

13:08:56 asciilifeform: i think they escaped

13:09:04 nubbins`: never to return? seems unlikely

13:09:11 nubbins`: unless they were held against their will

13:09:21 nubbins`: (cats are v territorial, don't just "run away")

13:09:36 asciilifeform: these were kept indoors

13:09:47 asciilifeform: and probably have severely defective firmware

13:09:51 nubbins`: heh

13:09:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` and also if (c) you were a salamander so fire hazard was not a concern

13:09:59 nubbins`: maybe so, but even though

13:10:18 nubbins`: cats running away generally isn't a thing that happens, unless they're running from a new home to their previous one

13:10:27 nubbins`: but they'll lose that urge after a couple weeks.

13:10:28 mircea_popescu: much like women.

13:10:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9349 @ 0.00038149 = 3.5666 BTC [+]

13:10:51 nubbins`: anecdote: Dory popped through the screen window yesterday

13:11:15 nubbins`: i step through the front door to fetch her, and she's worriedly trotting around meowing at neighbouring windows, trying to figure out which house is hers

13:11:16 nubbins`: ;(

13:12:08 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

13:12:34 asciilifeform: woah she had a 'king' mattress

13:12:37 asciilifeform: mega-luxury

13:12:40 nubbins`: heh.

13:12:45 mircea_popescu: i imagine The Outside must look to a modern pet cat much like the same looks to a modern teenager.

13:12:46 asciilifeform: (though i count 11 or so gigantic spots)

13:12:54 nubbins`: we have a king size mattress. they're not THAT expensive :P

13:13:04 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the floor space - is

13:13:09 *: mircea_popescu has a 2.2 x 2.3 matress even here

13:13:19 nubbins`: :o

13:13:28 nubbins`: so if you wanna lie sideways, your legs hang off the edge?

13:13:44 mircea_popescu: ...

13:13:50 mircea_popescu: you think i'm over 2 meters long ?

13:13:55 nubbins`: that was directed towards alf, heh

13:14:03 mircea_popescu: oh lol

13:14:17 nubbins`: that was actually dory's second time out front

13:14:25 nubbins`: the first time, she was just sitting in the window checking things out

13:14:31 asciilifeform: nubbins`: i'm not even a very tall fella, but the only orientation i can lie down in where legs do not go over the edge is diagonal (after pushing pet out)

13:14:33 mircea_popescu: "and i threw it out"

13:14:34 nubbins`: then her hated enemy, Gandalf, approaches the window

13:14:56 nubbins`: and Dory actually launched herself at him, busting the screen out of the window, and chased him down the block

13:15:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could cut her in half, have a chunk curl up on either side.

13:15:04 nubbins`: it was bananas and i was almost too high to deal with it

13:15:06 mircea_popescu: alternatively, start dating 12yos

13:15:20 mircea_popescu: "your honor, i only fuck preteens because the floor space is so expensive"

13:15:40 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i actually often say to pet, 'mainly what i need a 2nd one for is to have stators on both sides'

13:15:51 mircea_popescu: because you spin ?

13:15:54 asciilifeform: aha

13:16:03 mircea_popescu: does it do work /

13:16:13 nubbins`: only when they wear the copper brush undies

13:16:17 asciilifeform: in the schoolbook physics sense, surely.

13:16:18 mircea_popescu: bwahahaha

13:16:25 nubbins`: and you thought a hair shirt was bad

13:16:59 nubbins`: so i've got this conveyor oven for curing ink on shirts, yes?

13:17:14 mircea_popescu: is this still about dory ?

13:17:19 nubbins`: no :(

13:17:25 nubbins`: i ws connecting some ducting to the exhaust fan last fall and realized that the mfg installed the fucking fan upside-down

13:17:26 mircea_popescu: proceed

13:17:43 mircea_popescu: the manufagturer ?

13:17:45 nubbins`: seriously. exhaust fan pointed down into the oven.

13:17:48 asciilifeform: nubbins`: so he built you a crematorium ?

13:18:05 nubbins`: he built me a t-shirt oven that blasts cool air onto the sides of the shirts it's trying to cure.

13:18:27 mircea_popescu: so you're making cool shirts.

13:18:27 nubbins`: anyway. no big deal, tap some new holes, screw the thing in the right way.

13:18:35 mircea_popescu: you know, smoked meats should be cold cured.

13:18:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19247 @ 0.00038149 = 7.3425 BTC [+]

13:18:39 nubbins`: they also wired the fucking motor backwards

13:18:47 mircea_popescu: aaahahahaah

13:18:56 mircea_popescu: see, this is why slump times in sv are bad

13:19:01 nubbins`: so the heat/speed controls are on the fucking output side of it

13:19:02 mircea_popescu: the fucktards end up employed in productive activities

13:19:08 mircea_popescu: and bring their "coding experience" with them

13:19:09 asciilifeform: ^^^^

13:19:36 nubbins`: anyway, this is a roundabout way of saying that i'm gonna be rewiring a DC motor for the first time today

13:19:44 nubbins`: sources say i just gotta swap the red and black

13:19:45 asciilifeform: this is rather akin to the famous clusterfuck in usa circa '80s when reagan turned the psych ward folks loose

13:20:07 nubbins`: asciilifeform i think the usa is still dealing w/ that

13:20:19 mircea_popescu: nubbins` not really, it's just a lefty meme.

13:20:23 asciilifeform: aha, as described by herr orlov - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/06/crazyland.html

13:20:24 assbot: ClubOrlov: Crazyland ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUNIdM )

13:20:25 asciilifeform: and others.

13:20:26 mircea_popescu: "oh reagan was bad because bla bla"

13:20:34 nubbins`: was he the actor?

13:20:38 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform /me is deeply unconcinved by the theory.

13:20:39 nubbins`: i mean, they all are.

13:20:39 nubbins`: but

13:20:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, he was the only qualified one.

13:20:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pinning it on reagan may be a liberast hobby horse, but it did happen.

13:21:05 mircea_popescu: well, some whore also got office in italy about some time

13:21:06 nubbins`: the only one w/ a SAG membership, anyway.

13:21:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that he let the loonies out is a fact. the proposition that this had any measurable effect is loonytalk

13:21:43 mircea_popescu: mostly off the sort of schmucks who either depend on or aim to depend on a "social worker" career

13:21:49 mircea_popescu: which is built exactly on this proposition.

13:21:52 nubbins`: in other shop news, i've got a lead on a new (to me) flash dryer from the shop i used to work part-time at

13:21:53 asciilifeform: the only definitively measurable effect was on the population of bums

13:22:01 mircea_popescu: according to whom ?

13:22:04 nubbins`: new owners love their new flash dryer so much that they DON'T WANT their old one.

13:22:18 nubbins`: nevermind that they've got two shirt presses and one of them can only do single-color prints because it has no flash.

13:22:27 nubbins`: nevermind that

13:22:32 nubbins`: sell the old, working flash to me :D

13:23:02 mircea_popescu: sounds like you got yourselves the best sort of friends after "she likes to fuck" : the clueless.

13:23:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps not 'definitively.' but everyone i meet in usa appear to be firmly convinced that this cataclysm happened.

13:23:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't this make you suspicious ?

13:23:24 asciilifeform: sure.

13:23:32 *: asciilifeform wasn't there yet, did not see with own eyes

13:23:33 mircea_popescu: other things "everyone in usa" is convinced of include the fact that their feelings matter.

13:23:37 asciilifeform: l0l aha.

13:23:47 mircea_popescu: also without factual basis.

13:24:04 asciilifeform: incidentally, there are still asylums, in a sese

13:24:06 asciilifeform: *sense

13:24:11 asciilifeform: but the denizens rotate in and out

13:24:23 asciilifeform: this is intensely lucrative for a variety of 'social work' orgs

13:24:24 nubbins`: http://np.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/39b67t/im_a_retired_bank_robber_ama/cs26ah1

13:24:26 assbot: ErisGrey comments on I'm a retired bank robber. AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUOkjA )

13:24:37 mircea_popescu: yeah, there are. over 10mn people live in them, half of which "veterans"

13:24:46 mircea_popescu: except they're no longer centralized and so less obvious

13:24:46 nubbins`: asylums are not fun places

13:25:23 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. typically built into normal hospital.

13:25:34 *: asciilifeform once visited a chum who ended up in one

13:25:34 mircea_popescu: ah, no. that's the 1%

13:25:43 mircea_popescu: the 99% is, basically, random apartments all over town

13:28:26 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160260 << i made the mistake of unbanning vexual because people complained forreasons i don't fathom, and then i made the mistake of upping random name.

13:28:26 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 05:42:59; davout: wtf am i reading

13:28:49 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160273 << a ok than!

13:28:49 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 07:56:37; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159166 <<< nah, that's not the conversation i was trying to have, just letting you both know so you don't assume i've wandered off

13:29:03 asciilifeform: i think the poor fella might be #b-a's very own 'asylum veteran'

13:29:23 mircea_popescu: maybe

13:29:35 nubbins`: woo, new printer just arrived

13:29:44 *: nubbins` now owns three epson 1430s

13:30:06 asciilifeform: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/01/geotrax-currency-tracker.jpg << from that bank robbery thread. i think i own one of these modems, l0l!

13:30:07 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJdQzl )

13:30:46 asciilifeform: have robbers never heard of 'rf bags' ?

13:30:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5619 @ 0.00037892 = 2.1292 BTC [-]

13:31:09 mircea_popescu: what is that thing supposed to be ?

13:31:18 asciilifeform: (according to the u.s. patents, the 'money boobytraps' are 100% rf-activated.)

13:31:24 asciilifeform: and this one is not explosive, but a gps tracker.

13:31:28 nubbins`: heh.

13:31:43 nubbins`: i bet those things cost like $500ea

13:31:46 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/LFtCt55.png <<< bwahahaha WHO THE FUCK comes up with this shit.

13:31:47 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IJedKe )

13:32:02 mod6: <+mircea_popescu> <mod6> mod6: Sir Grayhawk, I would like to use this recipe to craft a static apple pie. Sir Grayhawk: Let me traide you for this here Universe Schematic. << WUT ?! << 'twas a joke. the old one about how a programmer wanted to bake an apple pie but first has to invent a universe. 'cept in this one static bitcoind is the pie, and the universe is gentoo/uclibc/gcc/etc. :]

13:32:08 mircea_popescu: o god almighty, a whole generation of ignorant, poor twerps. running their own country.

13:32:26 mircea_popescu: im so going to go on bison safari through the most powerful country in the world before long...

13:32:35 nubbins`: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

13:32:39 mircea_popescu: mod6 oic

13:32:42 nubbins`: "we're banning people, not coontown"

13:32:46 nubbins`: i cannot even.

13:32:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu will have to bring own bisons, i suspect

13:33:03 mircea_popescu: nubbins` and the best part is, someone rolled their eyes and muttered "obviously" over this.

13:33:08 nubbins`: hahah

13:33:09 nubbins`: like

13:33:11 mircea_popescu: you culd be banging her, if you got out more.

13:33:12 asciilifeform: unless 'bisons' refers to another species altogether

13:33:15 nubbins`: i need someone to buy me this book: http://www.beheadingboredom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/how-to-even-for-dummies.jpg

13:33:16 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUPKuv )

13:33:16 mircea_popescu: because they're everywhere.

13:33:19 nubbins`: that is how much i cannot even

13:33:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not extinct is it ?

13:33:42 mircea_popescu: even romania has zimbrii come back

13:33:53 mircea_popescu: (they were throught extinct after ww2. much like anything larger than a cat)

13:34:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supposedly was reintroduced. somewhere.

13:34:07 *: asciilifeform only ever saw in zoo

13:34:20 mircea_popescu: i know i had its meat so it can't be that rare.

13:34:34 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ted turner invested $maxint in bison farms

13:34:49 mircea_popescu: aha

13:36:16 nubbins`: hm

13:36:25 nubbins`: is the singular of zimbrii "zimbra"?

13:36:29 mircea_popescu: zimbru

13:36:39 nubbins`: aw.

13:36:41 mircea_popescu: the european woolen bison, slightly smaller.

13:36:46 nubbins`: ;;google talking heads i zimbra

13:36:47 gribble: Talking Heads - I Zimbra (HQ) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-RDJ4Z4XrQ; I Zimbra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Zimbra; Talking Heads - I Zimbra Lyrics | MetroLyrics: http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-zimbra-lyrics-talking-heads.html

13:36:49 mircea_popescu: zimbra prettyt much means hickey

13:36:55 nubbins`: ^ worth a listen.

13:36:55 asciilifeform: зубр

13:37:11 mircea_popescu: him

13:37:57 nubbins`: after clicking around on /r/coontown a bit

13:37:58 nubbins`: i uh

13:38:06 *: nubbins` gestures helplessly

13:38:25 nubbins`: sure am glad reddit is a, uh.. safe space?

13:38:32 *: nubbins` frowns, thinks

13:38:48 *: asciilifeform waits for the reddit thread 'iama craigslist bitcoin robber, ask me anything'

13:38:53 mircea_popescu: ad hoc legislation looks just like ad hoc coding.

13:39:14 mircea_popescu: a) it doesn't compile, so they prefer interpreted languages instead and b) it doesn't debug, so they prefer to write more instead.

13:40:09 nubbins`: http://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/zCl-7opvFRrVGJEJHc8BVEV6AL8Hxdg227GzeQYJpSA.jpg

13:40:09 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUR68m )

13:40:12 nubbins`: mis lados

13:40:24 asciilifeform: wtf even is that

13:40:43 nubbins`: that's ellen pao explaining why coontown wasn't one of the subreddits that got banned

13:40:59 asciilifeform: sure, but what -was- it

13:41:05 asciilifeform: (is?)

13:41:08 nubbins`: is.

13:41:13 nubbins`: http://reddit.com/r/coontown

13:41:14 assbot: reddit.com: over 18? ... ( http://bit.ly/1FURggf )

13:41:24 nubbins`: because maintaining a "nigger hate" forum isn't behaviour, it's an idea

13:41:33 nubbins`: or smth

13:41:38 nubbins`: ELLEN PAO, LOGICIAN

13:42:48 jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-06-2015#1159677 haha i concur. and if you exposed ms-dos to untrusted data and got it to crash or worse, it was *your* fault.

13:42:48 assbot: Logged on 10-06-2015 19:42:15; ascii_field: ms-dos was not asked to do very much. at least, at first. but i still remember screwing with qemm, xms, etc. towards the last years.

13:43:16 mircea_popescu: I STILL PREFER MSDOS

13:43:32 asciilifeform: as an msdos aficionado myself, i find the comparison to 'adult' os to be a rather odd one

13:43:33 mircea_popescu: to everything i've seen since the 80s, i by a very fat large margin prefer msdos.

13:43:40 asciilifeform: dos wasn't really 'present' in the sense unix is

13:44:08 mircea_popescu: you know i never had a computer "freeze" ? crash, yes.

13:44:20 mircea_popescu: but wtf is a freeze. a stable state of nonsense ?

13:44:23 asciilifeform: proggy (esp. in the latter days, with 'protected mode' gamez etc) took over machine entirely

13:44:40 asciilifeform: 'freeze', then, as now, is when box no longer answers to keyboard

13:44:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is a lot to be said for this.

13:45:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, which is why i am still living there. (like to program embedded chips where this holds true)

13:46:09 asciilifeform: (re: 'freezing' - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215 )

13:46:11 assbot: Loper OS » First Law of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSb08 )

13:46:46 nubbins`: http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/interview/there-is-no-right-not-to-be-offended/article3969404.ece

13:46:47 assbot: ‘There is no right not to be offended’ - The Hindu ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSh7K )

13:47:00 nubbins`: quote in title from salman rushdie

13:47:13 asciilifeform: in other news,

13:47:19 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29E48E92BF1A5E83EAA2C9F4927191B0A345037362BC78DCB8F5BA2A3E9D8D70 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A42CBD68B7426A8BAE00317B4196B4551BB2673EEFCECBBD60E8D9C55255A6A0

13:47:26 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSmsi )

13:47:55 nubbins`: mister starck!

13:48:12 nubbins`: one of these days i'mma read up on exactly wtf phuctor is doing

13:48:24 *: nubbins` has laughably little hands-on experience with the nuts & bolts of this math

13:48:25 asciilifeform: friend of yours ?

13:48:29 nubbins`: nah

13:48:56 asciilifeform: nubbins`: as for what it is doing, this fits in a paragraph - http://nosuchlabs.com/theory

13:48:57 assbot: Theory | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUSEPG )

13:50:21 nubbins`: ty

13:50:39 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: were you the one who proposed an msdos port of bitcoind ?

13:50:45 asciilifeform: somebody did

13:50:48 asciilifeform: (was it me...?)

13:50:51 mircea_popescu: prolly you

13:50:52 nubbins`: heh

13:51:04 asciilifeform: was there a reason we didn't do this ?

13:51:13 asciilifeform: (how tcp? over slip/rs232, of course)

13:51:28 mircea_popescu: yes. yes there was.

13:51:37 asciilifeform: anyone recall what it was ?

13:51:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160039

13:51:50 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 01:20:23; mircea_popescu: alternatively we could just leave this be for now and focus on CLOSING things rather than opening new things before we closed anything.

13:51:57 asciilifeform: that you can't squeeze db into a 2g fat16 volume, perhaps ?

13:52:03 mircea_popescu: before bitcoin on pogo looks like eulora/binaries,

13:52:05 asciilifeform: (no prob. write raw blocks)

13:52:09 mircea_popescu: you don't get to start more stuff.

13:52:16 asciilifeform: well that was why -i- didn't do it

13:52:22 asciilifeform: but how about other folks.

13:52:23 mircea_popescu: that's why anyoner's not doing it.

13:52:25 mircea_popescu: gotta focus.

13:52:28 nubbins`: haha

13:52:43 nubbins`: i'm still working on porting 0.5.3.1 to IBM i

13:52:55 nubbins`: dat built-in DB.

13:53:25 *: asciilifeform wonders of which there are more - pogos, or msdos-able boxes

13:53:33 mircea_popescu: ?There is no right not to be offended? << this is broken, ftr. "there is no right TO not be offended"

13:53:46 mircea_popescu: pogos.

13:53:56 *: asciilifeform not so sure of this

13:54:25 asciilifeform: speaking of - when's the last time anyone checked on the warehouse-full-of-pogos thing

13:54:30 asciilifeform: are they still there ?

13:54:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's scheduled for after the build's ready to go.

13:54:52 mircea_popescu: there's no point checking in between

13:55:17 *: asciilifeform will be disappointed if they fly away. because there is not likely to be a reasonable substitute.

13:55:32 asciilifeform: (a $150 box is not a substitute)

13:55:40 nubbins`: until the next time some shit cloud device get liquidated

13:55:54 asciilifeform: nubbins`: mno. they don't overengineer them any more

13:55:58 mircea_popescu: life is what happens while software wasn't ready.

13:55:59 asciilifeform: no more 1G ethernet or sata

13:56:01 asciilifeform: on any of them.

13:56:08 asciilifeform: nor 128 whole megs.

13:56:13 nubbins`: good thing i stocked up :(

13:56:24 asciilifeform: (pogo itself used to come with 256, otherwise identical)

13:56:38 nubbins`: altho i'm somewhat tempted to put my SSD in this disc duplicator instead

13:56:53 asciilifeform: pogo is really a 400 usd widget selling for 20.

13:56:58 nubbins`: but i suppose i should wait and see if that's a necessary thing first.

13:57:02 mircea_popescu: only because it's 2015

13:57:08 mircea_popescu: in 2020 it will be a 1000 usd widget

13:57:21 asciilifeform: aha but 1000 circa 2020 is around what 100 is now.

13:57:45 *: asciilifeform puts flower on grave of 'moore's law'

13:58:09 nubbins`: any of you familiar with this "M-DISC" technology?

13:58:48 nubbins`: from what i can glean from marketing hype, they use special dvd-rs and ramp up the laser strength to make "permanent" optical media

13:59:04 nubbins`: they keep using phrases like "ETCHED IN STONE" and shit which sounds a bit much

13:59:23 asciilifeform: nubbins`: today, as 10 yrs ago, the basic tech is same. reflective layer, and above it, something that melts

13:59:29 asciilifeform: laser melts hole.

13:59:40 asciilifeform: this layer is typically a dye

14:00:07 asciilifeform: in very spiffy disks (taiyo yuden, afaik, is the -only- remaining maker) it is gold, instead.

14:00:18 asciilifeform: but above the dye (or gold) is still plexiglas

14:00:44 asciilifeform: it is subject to cracking, and chemical reaction with atmosphere over time

14:01:42 nubbins`: yeah

14:01:43 asciilifeform: (why cracking? stress from spinning in drive)

14:01:54 *: nubbins` has seen a dremel explode a CD

14:01:57 asciilifeform: the '1000 years' thing is utter bunk

14:02:00 asciilifeform: even 10 is pushing it

14:02:09 nubbins`: http://www.mdisc.com/what-is-mdisc/

14:02:11 assbot: What is M-Disc™? - The M-DISC™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1B5gvRk )

14:02:22 nubbins`: "up to" 1000 years

14:02:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could make them out of plain glass.

14:02:42 nubbins`: they use the phrase "engraved in stone" a few times

14:02:45 asciilifeform: glass, l0l!

14:02:49 mircea_popescu: gold+glass > lasts forevar.

14:02:53 nubbins`: borosilicate, yo.

14:02:53 asciilifeform: until you drop it

14:03:17 mircea_popescu: do not drop it

14:03:21 mircea_popescu: you can not have EVERYTHING

14:03:22 asciilifeform: or spin it in a drive

14:03:25 mircea_popescu: you can only has the things you choose.

14:03:28 mircea_popescu: it spins ok.

14:03:35 asciilifeform: how about when drive jams.

14:03:37 nubbins`: i actually make my own discs out of bronze backed w/ ultra-black nanoparticles

14:03:40 mircea_popescu: fuck you then.

14:03:41 asciilifeform: and disk gets 50 G's

14:03:58 nubbins`: i wonder how long minidisc media holds onto data?

14:04:10 *: nubbins` found his minidisc player/recorder yesterday, still works!

14:04:22 asciilifeform: nubbins`: recall mircea_popescu's observation that 'backup is a process not an artifact' ?

14:04:23 nubbins`: it's "magneto-optical" so i'd say fairly transient

14:04:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00037892 = 5.1912 BTC [-]

14:04:42 nubbins`: asciilifeform no, but that's sage

14:04:46 asciilifeform: the only backup worth mention appears to be herr torvalds's 'put it on public ftp and have people give a damn and mirror'

14:05:27 mircea_popescu: right. worked splendidly for the literary cannon

14:05:31 mircea_popescu: everyone's read shakespeare. right ?

14:05:39 mircea_popescu: if tomorrow i rewrite it about cocks everyone'll know

14:05:42 mircea_popescu: RIGHT ???

14:06:05 asciilifeform: picture if bowdler had lived -today-

14:06:10 mircea_popescu: he does.

14:06:10 asciilifeform: and shakespeare were a www

14:06:13 mircea_popescu: his name is "everyone"

14:06:22 nubbins`: heh

14:06:23 mircea_popescu: i'm drowning in a sea of little bowdlers.

14:06:23 asciilifeform: what would we know of proper shakespeare then

14:06:28 nubbins`: BOWDLER LIVES AND HIS NAME IS MAN

14:06:35 mircea_popescu: we now nothing of proper shakespeare, for this reason.

14:06:47 nubbins`: i learned recently that shakespeare invented the name "jessica"

14:06:48 mircea_popescu: "we don't ban ideas, we just ban anything that's unbowlder, for bowlder is us"

14:06:51 nubbins`: !up allahisgreat2000

14:06:59 allahisgreat2000: Can I ask a question about bitbet here?

14:07:01 nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: as-salaam aleikum

14:07:04 nubbins`: oh

14:07:06 nubbins`: i mean

14:07:06 nubbins`: yes

14:07:11 allahisgreat2000: salaam friend

14:07:13 asciilifeform: shakespeare suffers from the other problem of backups, much lamented by astronomy/physics folk crying over old pdp-8 tapes. that is, loss of reading mechanisms...)

14:07:39 allahisgreat2000: I'm having trouble figuring out how weight for a bet is calculated

14:07:57 nubbins`: asciilifeform language in general suffers from loss of reading mechanisms over time

14:07:58 mats: http://blog.wuntee.sexy/reaching-the-mach-layer << artifacts from a different era

14:08:00 assbot: Reaching the MACH layer · blog[wuntee] ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUW3xW )

14:08:18 nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: it's sort of complicated, and your odds will change as more people bet

14:08:23 mircea_popescu: allahisgreat2000 ok, but ask a question.

14:08:45 allahisgreat2000: what stops people from betting more when the results start getting obvious and ruining your bet?

14:08:55 *: nubbins` seriously considers purchasing a new(er) minidisc player and some more blanks, while he still can

14:09:08 mircea_popescu: allahisgreat2000 they get lower weight for betting later.

14:09:13 nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: generally the weight will decrease as the bet gets closer to close.

14:09:16 asciilifeform: mats: aha, 'microkernel', academitardia circa late '80s-early-'90s that apple folks still live with today.

14:09:34 allahisgreat2000: but you get lower returns as well, even tho you bet early?

14:09:52 nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: early bets have higher weight and are therefore worth more.

14:10:11 nubbins`: a last-minute bet will take some of your winnings, yes, but they'd have to bet an enormous amount and get chump change in return

14:10:14 nubbins`: example: https://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/

14:10:14 assbot: BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 :: 1.18 B (8%) on Yes, 14.07 B (92%) on No | closed 8 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUWsAs )

14:10:26 nubbins`: that last bet put 8 BTC on the line, but only earned 0.2 BTC

14:10:27 mircea_popescu: lol is that you nubbins` ?

14:10:30 nubbins`: because the weight was so low

14:10:32 nubbins`: mircea_popescu 8)

14:10:50 nubbins`: had to monetize that warrant somehow

14:11:10 allahisgreat2000: the weight depends on time?

14:11:12 nubbins`: allahisgreat2000: the earlier 5 BTC bet won ~0.7 BTC

14:11:13 nubbins`: yes.

14:11:20 allahisgreat2000: oh ok

14:11:20 nubbins`: note how the weight is lower for each successive bet

14:11:30 nubbins`: initial bet weight: 100,000

14:11:41 nubbins`: final bet weight: 24,000

14:11:47 mircea_popescu: nubbins` clever.

14:11:56 allahisgreat2000: I'm trying to figure out if there could be a system to combine pool betting and livebetting/betting exchange

14:11:57 asciilifeform: mats: can you believe, they took seriously the idea that process separation (which barely works in 'userland') could apply to device drivers!

14:12:14 asciilifeform: on a machine with von neumann arch, and even things like dma, no less

14:12:28 asciilifeform: what kind of dope it was necessary to smoke, to arrive at this notion, i still do not know.

14:12:39 nubbins`: mircea_popescu it took me about a week to figure out the nuts & bolts of it.

14:12:50 mircea_popescu: allahisgreat2000 see http://fraudsters.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/

14:12:51 assbot: Let's understand mutual betting together on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUWWGP )

14:13:10 nubbins`: but i was set to gain either way

14:13:28 mats: asciilifeform: OSX has so many skeletons, from NeXT, Mach, and the PPC days...

14:13:49 nubbins`: tying up 5 btc for 6 months to earn 0.7 isn't particularly lucrative; if i were to do it again, i'd do a shorter bet

14:14:01 allahisgreat2000: thank you i'll read that

14:14:16 asciilifeform: mats: it is, in practice, the last remaining commercial unix

14:14:26 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/#selection-57.90-59.33 <<->> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160714 lawls.

14:14:27 assbot: Let's understand mutual betting together on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FUXaOp )

14:14:27 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 14:13:10; nubbins`: but i was set to gain either way

14:14:29 asciilifeform: (there are nominally others but outside of usg you will never see them)

14:14:59 mats: you know you're rich when a 14% ROI over 6mos is considered a weak investment

14:15:15 nubbins`: mircea_popescu living proof :D

14:15:34 mircea_popescu: mats no, actually, that's when you know you're poor.

14:15:37 nubbins`: mats i live the life of the carefree boheme, as alf would put it

14:15:41 mircea_popescu: high percentile and low basis go hand in hand.

14:16:17 mats: :(

14:16:21 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160319 << didn't danielpbarron want it ?

14:16:21 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 12:18:37; nubbins`: i've been trying to sell a single bitcoin in -otc for three days

14:16:23 asciilifeform: nubbins`: carefree l0l. so nubbins` prints because he likes the smell of ink ?

14:16:26 asciilifeform: and for no other reason ?

14:17:08 nubbins`: actually, i print because there's a very basic yet powerful reinforcement in holding something of beauty that you've created with your own hands.

14:17:24 nubbins`: i do, incidentally, like the smell of ink, but only water-based acrylic

14:17:27 mircea_popescu: i suppose it's why boys jack off.

14:17:28 nubbins`: plastisol smells neutral

14:17:35 nubbins`: mircea_popescu yup

14:17:51 mircea_popescu: also why they dislike small penii

14:17:55 asciilifeform: lol, how did it go... 'paul graham: programmers, like painters, like making things. audience wag: so do chickens!'

14:18:03 mircea_popescu: (women, contrary to what they project, would biologically prefer the smaller imposition)

14:18:06 nubbins`: heh

14:18:23 *: nubbins` imagines that most of the lurkers in here assume he's on welfare

14:18:44 mircea_popescu: weren't you derping about having tenants ?

14:18:47 mircea_popescu: wut welfare is that.

14:19:13 nubbins`: just one tenant now

14:19:43 nubbins`: mircea_popescu the majority of people on irc who don't work in tech are generally on some form of social assistance

14:19:49 mircea_popescu: o.O

14:19:52 mircea_popescu: i don't work in tech.

14:20:05 mircea_popescu: do i work in tech ?

14:20:22 nubbins`: not in this sense

14:20:31 mircea_popescu: in other news, MANCAVE!!!1 http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8rb04QEVv1qe9d8go1_1280.jpg

14:20:32 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B5kmO8 )

14:20:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is zoologist, not 'tech'

14:20:39 nubbins`: you're not on social assistance either, which puts you on one of the tails

14:21:16 mircea_popescu: i think "in tech" is one of those, could either be in or out depending where you want to present yourself.

14:21:52 mircea_popescu: are women that live somewhere in the continuum between chattel property and housewife on "some form of social assistance" ?

14:21:58 asciilifeform: recall dijkstra's observation re: how we might regard an astronomer who introduces self as 'working in telescopy' ?

14:22:03 mircea_popescu: ahahaha

14:22:39 nubbins`: mircea_popescu nope

14:22:47 mircea_popescu: if not them, why anyone else ?

14:22:48 nubbins`: unless, y'know, the husband is on social assistance.

14:22:55 mircea_popescu: do you mean "centrally planned social assistance" ?

14:22:58 nubbins`: i specifically mean cashing cheques written by gov.

14:23:01 mircea_popescu: why should that make a difference.

14:23:08 nubbins`: !!

14:23:09 mircea_popescu: yes you do, but the model's broken.

14:23:24 nubbins`: that's why they're sitting on irc.

14:23:35 asciilifeform: somewhere, long ago, one fella (lost the link, unfortunately) described the 'in tech' folks as quite like the quasi-retarded assistants in a magic show, who think that the performance is actually -about- the ropes and trap doors

14:23:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33878 @ 0.00037857 = 12.8252 BTC [-] {2}

14:23:43 mircea_popescu: is this going to be a reductio ab coontown argument ?

14:23:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite apt.

14:24:08 mircea_popescu: buncha dumb blondies all over, except they're not so nice to look at anymore.

14:24:16 mircea_popescu: kinda the intension of my old "too dumb to sling dope" piece

14:24:54 nubbins`: i've seen some pret-t-t-t-t-y dumb people sling dope

14:24:57 nubbins`: "smart" ones too

14:25:23 mircea_popescu: not this dumb.

14:27:02 mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, if your definition of social assistance is "spends govt checks" then everyone in the us is on social assistance, much like everyoner ever in any developed country throughout history, at all points.

14:27:05 *: asciilifeform waits for mircea_popescu to write sequel, 'too dumb to build igloos'

14:27:18 mircea_popescu: because essentially what statehood means is this "we band together, get the bison, and then you can have some"

14:27:32 mircea_popescu: so yes roman citizens lived off the imperial dole. but also fought in the wars.

14:27:41 mircea_popescu: and yes the british citizenry lived off the imperial dole. but etc.

14:27:57 mircea_popescu: just as soon as people become unwilling to participate, the dole dries out AND civilisation's gone

14:28:00 mircea_popescu: they go together, these.

14:28:16 nubbins`: my definition is "gov gives you money for not doing anything, and this is your sole source of income"

14:28:24 mircea_popescu: your definition is dumb.

14:28:42 nubbins`: so are most of the people on irc.

14:28:43 mircea_popescu: what is this "not doing anything", and whence it became possible to not do anything.

14:28:55 asciilifeform: nubbins`: what if it gives you money through six intermediaries, and instead of 'not doing anything' you have to put on a robe and chant rain prayer every day ?

14:28:59 asciilifeform: then - not 'welfare' ?

14:29:12 nubbins`: what if this discussion devolved to absurdity?

14:29:12 mircea_popescu: good example.

14:29:26 mircea_popescu: it's not absurdity yo. it's just outside of your preconceived outlook.

14:29:31 nubbins`: lel

14:29:38 asciilifeform: it's where i live.

14:29:48 mircea_popescu: take the mental experiment of, two states which each consist of one woman.

14:29:59 mircea_popescu: state a keeps her "on welfare". state b makes her work in the grocery store.

14:30:16 mircea_popescu: i visit. if it's the case that i like the rested look of the woman in a, then state a just scored. no longer welfare.

14:30:32 mircea_popescu: if i like the busy look of woman in b, then b just scored. a is a pos nao shame on it for its moral bending ways.

14:30:35 *: nubbins` runs out of hands, smacks face on desk

14:30:42 nubbins`: i'm out

14:30:43 mircea_popescu: as you can see, the entire definition rests on what ~i~ prefer,

14:30:49 mircea_popescu: the rich nabob states exist to please.

14:32:09 mircea_popescu: aww, and i didn't even get to inquire if the woman that said "because we are also the only ones who give birth to men." was on welfare or not.

14:32:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever notice how office elevators are not specced to hold grizzly bears ?

14:32:18 asciilifeform: why not ?

14:32:38 mircea_popescu: situation not commonly encountered ?

14:32:45 asciilifeform: to modern schmuck state, a character like mircea_popescu is a wtf, like a grizzly walking streets of new york

14:32:53 mircea_popescu: not so.

14:32:53 asciilifeform: not even considered as possibility

14:33:04 mircea_popescu: the fact that pubescent girl has not considered the possibility of cock

14:33:18 mircea_popescu: does not mean her cunt is not evolving with deliberate decisiveness towards accomodating it.

14:33:25 mircea_popescu: natural processes contain their ends.

14:33:50 mircea_popescu: this idea that homo artifex and somehow things that are are the result of deliberate reason etc...

14:33:55 mircea_popescu: please. read some code sometime.

14:34:06 asciilifeform: l0l who said 'reason'

14:34:10 mircea_popescu: well then.

14:35:04 asciilifeform: just observing that 'homo welfaricus', male and female, will live and die without encountering mircea_popescu, by approximately same reason as elevator - grizzly.

14:35:13 mircea_popescu: or will they ?

14:35:18 mircea_popescu: i don't have to be encountered directly.

14:35:44 asciilifeform: if indirectly, as 'horseman' of popescucalypse - then surely.

14:35:52 mircea_popescu: this is my objection throughout this conversation : he was cutting the definiton to its first surface, like the people in your magic show. and now you wish to cut interaction to the first branch.

14:36:00 mircea_popescu: i will cloink you all in the head with a taleb hammer

14:37:37 asciilifeform: well, the invocation of stretching gurlz etc. certainly suggested interaction of the flesh-to-flesh kind

14:37:46 asciilifeform: but perhaps i'm just thick

14:38:22 *: asciilifeform answered door, found gurl pushing jizzus saveth yer soul!!11!1 brochure in his face

14:39:06 asciilifeform: wonder if the knocked next door, and got the fella in the gas mask

14:39:10 nubbins`: heh

14:39:21 nubbins`: i had my first jehovas a couple days ago

14:39:33 nubbins`: in 4 years of living at this address

14:39:33 asciilifeform: (these are still shoveling. they just brought out a very ornate lamp, covered in grime)

14:39:45 nubbins`: asciilifeform maybe it's an episode of hoarders?

14:39:56 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the interesting thing is,

14:40:28 asciilifeform: i remarked to the pet: 'my well-informed colleagues explained to me that science knows of three species of hoarders: 'clean,' 'dirty', and 'cat' '

14:40:59 asciilifeform: pet: 'realize that if we died tonight, the entire contents of this room will be carried out in just the same kind of black bags as are stacked over there'

14:40:59 nubbins`: things get tangly exponentially fast with the cat ones

14:41:05 mircea_popescu: i thought iut was "newspaper ; plastic bottle ; other"

14:41:25 asciilifeform: crew will probably not distinguish mountain of circuit boards from the poor old woman's plastic bottles

14:41:28 nubbins`: asciilifeform and they won't even wear spacesuits

14:41:36 asciilifeform: they might, from general sop

14:41:41 nubbins`: too true

14:41:43 mircea_popescu: ahaha woman's wit...

14:41:44 nubbins`: fool me once, etc

14:41:46 asciilifeform: after all, who knows what a hooligan might have

14:41:56 asciilifeform: esp. after they find the pcb etchants etc

14:42:01 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00037026 = 8.7937 BTC [-] {2}

14:42:04 mircea_popescu: time to get satin trims alf.

14:42:23 nubbins`: i wonder what specific changes i'd need to make to print PCBs here

14:42:31 asciilifeform: nubbins`: surprisingly few

14:42:37 *: nubbins` suspects "more ventilation" is high on the list

14:42:40 asciilifeform: nubbins`: you probably already own 95% of it

14:42:41 *: mircea_popescu hopes to visit one such house before he dies, where half is all tussled in silks and the other half is roughtly what i imagine alf already built.

14:42:46 mircea_popescu: a happy medium between the hosts.

14:42:52 nubbins`: asciilifeform i think solvent inks and a few chems are about all i'd need

14:42:55 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pet is not the 'silks' type

14:43:08 mircea_popescu: something like out of the buttefield 8 interiors.

14:43:28 mircea_popescu: nubbins` by print pcbs do you mean draw on them, ordo you mean etch them ?

14:44:00 asciilifeform: if i lived alone, would probably have treadplate put in. as such, wooden floor. only difference in decor accounted for by pet.

14:44:04 nubbins`: draw

14:44:05 nubbins`: ident layer

14:44:23 nubbins`: i'm sure you could also silkscreen etching mask stuff, but sounds nasty

14:44:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know she's not silks type ?

14:44:46 asciilifeform: nubbins`: silkscreen aside, think more 'b&w photography' than printing

14:45:26 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how do i know that not a dog

14:45:44 mircea_popescu: i think there's a difference between those two is-es

14:45:47 nubbins`: asciilifeform in fact, prepping a screen for printing is very similar to b&w photography.

14:45:59 asciilifeform: nubbins`: the silkscreen on pcb is largely optional

14:46:24 nubbins`: mesh is coated with photosensitive emulsion, exposed on light table w/ positive image masked

14:46:29 nubbins`: etc

14:46:32 asciilifeform: (component values help the folks doing the assembly, and has logo of maker, etc.)

14:46:40 nubbins`: nod

14:46:41 asciilifeform: nubbins`: then yes

14:46:45 asciilifeform: can go, do now.

14:47:00 asciilifeform: incidentally everything that is needed for small-scale (onesies-twosies) pcb making fits in a large suitcase

14:47:04 asciilifeform: at least, mine does

14:47:31 nubbins`: fun!

14:47:39 asciilifeform: it is even possible to make proper soldermask (think the green glossy coat on most commercial boards) in jungle conditions, but this, i have not tried.

14:48:01 asciilifeform: need something like the apparatus used to paint car fenders

14:48:14 nubbins`: solder mask can be silkscreened

14:48:37 asciilifeform: can. but any error is disastrous

14:48:47 nubbins`: it's disastrous on a t-shirt too

14:48:51 nubbins`: 8)

14:48:59 asciilifeform: i mean, off by 0.1mm - straight to dump

14:48:59 *: nubbins` doesn't make errors

14:49:16 nubbins`: i should show you some of the multi-layer prints i've done

14:49:25 asciilifeform: any geometric distortion - straight to dump

14:49:25 asciilifeform: etc.

14:49:57 asciilifeform: but yes, equipment - largely same.

14:51:03 *: asciilifeform just realized that neighbour's car is still in its place. perhaps she... died ?

14:51:43 nubbins`: oh maybe.

14:51:53 nubbins`: cats almost certainly ate her face, if so

14:51:56 nubbins`: (srs)

14:52:00 asciilifeform: well-known

14:52:06 asciilifeform: (what else are they supposed to eat?)

14:52:09 asciilifeform: snatch first ?

14:52:10 nubbins`: hm, you can silkscreen etch-resist too

14:52:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00038001 = 6.9922 BTC [+]

14:52:17 nubbins`: alf HEH

14:52:33 decimation: I read a paper recently that indicated that there was a link between long-term cat ownership and crazy

14:52:39 *: nubbins` throws paper away and devotes life to producing PCBs

14:52:42 asciilifeform: decimation: the toxoplasma thing ?

14:52:44 asciilifeform: overblown

14:52:50 decimation: yeah I suppose that's the mechanism

14:52:58 decimation: perhaps, but when you are a crazy cat lady with 50 cats...

14:53:04 nubbins`: i think the mechanism is lonely people buy cats and further withdraw

14:53:12 asciilifeform: would be interesting if it worked on people the same way as on rat, though

14:53:27 asciilifeform: causing overwhelming urge to visit the zoo, closer and closer to lions..

14:53:30 decimation: asciilifeform: I'm typing on a genuine model m, it is better than the unicomp

14:53:30 nubbins`: lel

14:53:33 decimation: but it is missing keys

14:53:40 asciilifeform: decimation: get bag of keys on 'ebay'

14:53:43 asciilifeform: or local junk shop.

14:53:45 nubbins`: packs of old ladies circling the shelter all day

14:53:53 decimation: no, no 'meta'

14:53:54 asciilifeform: all model m keys, unlike later kbds, have same geometry

14:53:56 decimation: only alt

14:54:06 asciilifeform: decimation: i assume you remapped capslock

14:54:10 asciilifeform: then ctrl can be meta

14:54:10 decimation: of course

14:54:19 nubbins`: ^ geometry drove me away from DVORAK

14:54:20 decimation: I didn't think of that for some reason

14:54:43 decimation: but the whole point of remapping control is so that you don't cripple pinky

14:54:55 mircea_popescu: so you get meta :D

14:55:03 asciilifeform: i put meta on thumb

14:55:11 decimation: ah right vs left

14:55:12 asciilifeform: which is where 'alt' normally lives

14:55:17 mircea_popescu: you emacs folk really shoulds have pedals

14:55:20 mircea_popescu: there's no way around it

14:55:21 asciilifeform: i have pedals.

14:55:24 decimation: you can buy pedals

14:55:31 mircea_popescu: the REASON it didn't use to be available was pure expense, but now every xbox comes with em

14:55:35 asciilifeform: overrated. find that i don't used them often.

14:55:44 asciilifeform: (reaction time. legs - long.)

14:55:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform probably because they're shitty whole foot pedals

14:55:49 mircea_popescu: try toe pedals.

14:55:50 asciilifeform: nah

14:55:55 asciilifeform: these are proper pedals.

14:55:58 decimation: somehow it works for pianos

14:56:09 decimation: but timing on the 'volume control' in the piano isn't quite as critical

14:56:15 mircea_popescu: orly.

14:56:25 asciilifeform: http://s192804805.onlinehome.us/ebayimages/lister4_3_14/xl_Kinesis_Savant_AC004PF_(6).jpg << quite like this.

14:56:27 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHVrDe )

14:56:27 decimation: nevertheless, the key feel of a real model m is suprerior to unicomp

14:56:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that looks whole foot to me.

14:56:49 nubbins`: asciilifeform those look largely inefficient

14:56:52 nubbins`: ^^

14:57:09 mircea_popescu: toe pedal. like one of those clickers people use to count crowds ?

14:57:16 asciilifeform: i would like something more like what one finds in an old airplane, yes

14:57:21 asciilifeform: but would have to build this

14:57:27 asciilifeform: (not aware of any commercial supplier)

14:57:34 nubbins`: you need something like a stompbox

14:57:38 asciilifeform: mno

14:57:41 asciilifeform: gotta be digital

14:57:42 mircea_popescu: right, because a clicker's hard nao

14:57:44 asciilifeform: as in, hard transition

14:57:58 nubbins`: stompbox casing w/ whatever switch you like

14:58:08 asciilifeform: can rest foot on it?

14:58:17 decimation: asdf asdfasdfasdfsasdfasdfasdfsdfa~/

14:58:17 decimation: 44444545451234123

14:58:26 decimation: doh sorry for the chan spam

14:58:29 asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu was largely correct, one reason i'm not overly fond of this pedal is the difficulty of resting the foot )

14:58:35 nubbins`: how about a sewing machine pedal?

14:58:39 asciilifeform: again, analogue

14:58:43 asciilifeform: i must have the click

14:59:03 nubbins`: kick drum pedal w/ clicky button under the hammer.

14:59:03 decimation: yeah, instant feedback

14:59:10 nubbins`: wait, no

14:59:17 nubbins`: apple "magic mouse" resting on floor.

14:59:19 nubbins`: 8)

14:59:21 asciilifeform: (btw i began with a sewing machine pedal. turns out, they have terrible analogue noise in the switching mechanism )

14:59:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know you could prolly hack a gravimeter off an old "smart"phone and a sock together into an excellent pedal.

14:59:34 asciilifeform: again gotta have the click-snap

14:59:42 mircea_popescu: arbitrarily defined and hten learned

14:59:45 asciilifeform: not enough to just push foot against piece of shit

14:59:56 decimation: without tactile feedback for when shit 'breaks'

15:00:00 asciilifeform: (which is why 'data glove' is lunacy)

15:00:02 mircea_popescu: ah, no, this was for sitting crosslegged

15:00:09 mircea_popescu: and twitch your off the ground foot

15:00:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00038001 = 1.273 BTC [+]

15:00:30 nubbins`: asciilifeform have you considered just mounting a keyboard spring mechanism on a piece of wood and putting a hinged cover on it?

15:00:38 mircea_popescu: i dunno how much you folk spend crosslegged tho

15:00:43 nubbins`: you could use your favourite letter.

15:00:56 decimation: what about that guy who did the card-counting scam in the casino

15:00:58 asciilifeform: nubbins`: considered a gigantic version of 'buckling spring' as seen in model m

15:01:06 asciilifeform: but realized that it has to be finely adjustible

15:01:06 decimation: he used a foot-counter of some kind

15:01:17 asciilifeform: decimation: he used a tact switch in his show.

15:01:18 asciilifeform: shoe

15:01:27 nubbins`: asciilifeform put some levelers under the spring mech so you can raise/lower it

15:01:28 asciilifeform: under toe.

15:01:35 nubbins`: even a simple turnscrew

15:01:50 asciilifeform: nubbins`: arrived at this very thing. but did not build, because too few hands.

15:01:56 asciilifeform: it is still on the list.

15:01:59 nubbins`: well :D

15:02:20 decimation: on the other hand, organists play entire keyboard with feet

15:02:30 asciilifeform: decimation: 'not from a good life'

15:02:35 asciilifeform: the instrument demands it.

15:02:39 decimation: go to a church with a proper pipe organ and see

15:02:43 nubbins`: it's true

15:02:43 *: asciilifeform saw

15:02:47 nubbins`: the hands are just for show

15:03:00 nubbins`: like a conductor

15:03:02 nubbins`: 8)

15:03:06 decimation: not only that but ranks of pull-switches to change voice

15:03:31 asciilifeform: decimation: i recently learned that one of the great theatre organs, 'wurlitzers,' still works!

15:03:35 nubbins`: asciilifeform arcade-style buttons have a nice click and reasonable action

15:04:06 asciilifeform: nubbins`: perhaps when they're new? i don't think i've ever encountered one that wasn't obviously mashed to all hell

15:04:24 asciilifeform: decimation: http://www.adrianworks.com/pod/source/image/berkeley-theatre-organ.jpg << these

15:04:25 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWmDM )

15:04:25 nubbins`: http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/610198841_1/50-PCS-lot-America-style-Round-Push-Button-parts-for-arcade-game-machine-white-black-blue.jpg

15:04:26 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWkM9 )

15:04:26 decimation: asciilifeform: they are now associated with 'black church music'

15:04:32 nubbins`: i've got a box full of them somewhere

15:04:35 decimation: but used to be common in everyday 'talkie'

15:04:45 nubbins`: nice click. i think they bounce like crazy tho

15:04:59 asciilifeform: http://www.cotps.com/cotps-sold/i205.jpg << percussion section from a 'wurlitzer'

15:05:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHWpPU )

15:05:00 nubbins`: but very satisfying to push

15:05:29 *: nubbins` frowns, considers building MAME cabinet

15:05:36 decimation: heh that's neat

15:05:51 decimation: obviously the point was to save on labor - 'one man band'

15:06:05 asciilifeform: aha.

15:06:13 *: asciilifeform bbl

15:06:30 nubbins`: JESUS that's an organ

15:06:38 nubbins`: this is like the analog equivalent of a room-sized Moog

15:06:46 *: decimation back to the mines...

15:06:56 BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160496 << Almost all 'Murican Bison live on closed ranches now, Ted Turner et all. Almost all are genertically 25-50% cow in ancestry

15:06:56 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 13:33:12; asciilifeform: unless 'bisons' refers to another species altogether

15:07:45 nubbins`: i thought you guys called em buffalo

15:08:30 BingoBoingo: Wild Bison release still largely verboten for the same reason they were eradicated. Transportation issues and can't let the Sioux get a foothold.

15:09:20 mircea_popescu: bison bison is one thing, the us buffalo. bison bonasus is the european guy, like the one discussed above.

15:09:25 mircea_popescu: there is no "bison" outside of this.

15:10:03 mircea_popescu: and bos sp (ie, cows/oxen of all types) hybridize with it.

15:10:46 mircea_popescu: unlike the case with eq. africanus / eq, caballus, the offspring's not usually infertile.

15:12:07 mircea_popescu: (the yak, although long haired, is still a sort of cow, rather than a sort of bison)

15:17:33 nubbins`: theatre organs, who knew

15:17:37 nubbins`: fascinating

15:18:08 BingoBoingo: Oh http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/#comment-26807

15:18:09 assbot: Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KZtLHf )

15:20:05 mircea_popescu: and in unrelated stuff : it is perhaps known by the esteemed audience that the (mostly) lacedemonian cult of hyacinth most likely provided the backing for most of christianity's christ-centric mythology (as opposed to its mary fixations).

15:20:34 mircea_popescu: specifically, this was a very accomplished youth that was disputed by the sun god and the wind god, and favoured the sun god. so the wind god arranged for something to fall on his head.

15:20:39 mircea_popescu: but then he was... reborn.

15:21:03 mircea_popescu: so they had a festival (hyacinthia) which took three days, and the first was mourning, and the 2nd celebration over the alleged rebirth and so on.

15:21:31 mircea_popescu: all this, a good five to ten centuries before jewish sect split off.

15:21:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18774 @ 0.00037137 = 6.9721 BTC [-] {2}

15:22:23 mircea_popescu: and the spartans took breaks from their wars to go back and celebrate... hyacinthsmas.

15:23:32 mircea_popescu: !up ksipax

15:23:51 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo haha ocol

15:25:35 pete_dushenski: lol hyacinthmas !

15:26:25 pete_dushenski: i could see secular post-post-modern version being 'narcissismas'

15:27:17 pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/FirefoxSetup29.exe << mystery "firefox 29" version from oldapps.com hosted

15:27:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHZBLc )

15:27:44 pete_dushenski: i also found that the winbloze "firefox 29" links to... the exact same mystery file

15:28:16 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/want-high-end-flight-sim-pedals-put-500-in-a-polish-bank-account-and-contact-slaw/

15:28:17 assbot: Want high-end flight sim pedals? Put $500 in a Polish bank account and contact Slaw | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1JHZK1q )

15:28:18 pete_dushenski: in the 20-odd other versions i checked, all the others linked to the expected file

15:29:18 mircea_popescu: haha narcissismas works

15:29:31 mircea_popescu: "at this sacred time of the year we go back home to be by ourselves)

15:31:01 pete_dushenski: "on our phones. in front of the mirror. while sitting on the shitter."

15:31:27 pete_dushenski: "it's how we remember where we came from and where we're going"

15:32:02 pete_dushenski: in other news, inflation strikes mozilla : "Mozilla has more than doubled the cash rewards under its dusty bug bounty to beyond $10,000."

15:32:12 pete_dushenski: up from $3k 5 years ago

15:35:08 BingoBoingo: Ok they keep rolling in http://qntra.net/2015/06/popescus-response-to-bhararas-ulbrict-sentencing-commentary-inquisition/#comment-26810

15:35:09 assbot: Popescu's Response to Bharara's Ulbrict Sentencing Commentary Inquisition | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI0EuH )

15:35:28 mircea_popescu: lmao

15:36:25 pete_dushenski: hahaha notbad

15:37:01 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc87lbpH7r1rsl8k7o1_500.gif << woman's shadow, greatly exceeds the size of the woman

15:37:02 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI0YcV )

15:38:10 pete_dushenski: guy watching shadow out of corner of his eye

15:38:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00036224 = 11.2838 BTC [-] {2}

15:53:56 scoopbot_revived: Exodus From New York Begins http://qntra.net/2015/06/exodus-from-new-york-begins/

15:58:54 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell copypaste nice work https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHOBXVZVIAAMylU.png:large

15:58:55 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsRGPN )

15:58:55 pete_dushenski: "the fledgling accountless Bitcoin gaming site Satoshi Dice lead it to a long reign" << BingoBoingo wordiness aside, it's missing "and"

15:58:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:59:54 BingoBoingo: Fixed, pete_dushenski but instead of "and" fixed it with "ing"

16:00:52 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: also "as the most popular Bitcoin gambling sites of the time." << mixing singular and plural

16:02:05 mircea_popescu: i can't read that fuckin ss. can't it be a log in text format like with sane ppls.

16:04:26 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: copypaste twatter'd it as an image

16:04:45 BingoBoingo: Basically copypaste pointed out reddit users are cuckolds who just take it

16:05:55 mircea_popescu: anyway, copypaste has it. "adjusting to circumvent the rules" is more empowering of the idiots than actually following the rules. NO. let them go hang with their rules.

16:06:27 mircea_popescu: david thorne basically has it : http://www.27bslash6.com/massanutten.html

16:06:29 assbot: Massanutten. Water slides, mini-golf and bears. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMHJ0r )

16:06:45 mircea_popescu: Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority, I will continue to secure trash correctly.

16:06:56 mircea_popescu: there shall be no toleration of improper authority.

16:17:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59176 @ 0.00036591 = 21.6531 BTC [+] {2}

16:17:40 mircea_popescu: http://www.27bslash6.com/interviews.html << look at that, he updated.

16:17:41 assbot: "How is this an issue? Just ask ten fucking interview questions." ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsVCjq )

16:18:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40367 @ 0.00038149 = 15.3996 BTC [+]

16:19:11 pete_dushenski: "I have also heard that music soothes the savage beast but the last time I sang Whitney Houston's 'The Greatest Love of All' to my offspring, it had the opposite effect despite what I considered to be an excellent reproduction of her tonal range." << combined with dog/bear in jeep and... i died !

16:21:21 BingoBoingo: Have an actual zippo now apparently there is something 'Murica still manufacters well http://imgur.com/y8raHin

16:21:21 assbot: Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsWggS )

16:22:39 pete_dushenski: "I know someone who contracted Ross River Virus several years ago and he needs to be pushed around in a wheel-chair, moaning the whole time about his joints and inadequate ramp access. I visited him in his ground-floor apartment once but it was a miserable and forced conversation so I told him I had a present for him in the car and went to get it. Then drove home."

16:22:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12653 @ 0.00038149 = 4.827 BTC [+]

16:24:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105900 @ 0.00036061 = 38.1886 BTC [-] {5}

16:25:07 nubbins`: http://gschoppe.com/embedded/the-anonybox-squid-socks-and-openvpn-all-for-15/

16:25:09 assbot: The AnonyBox – Squid, SOCKS, and OpenVPN, all for $15 | Gschoppe.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsWVia )

16:25:09 pete_dushenski: quite the little spread between bid/ask on mpoe these last few days.

16:28:02 BingoBoingo: Oh, reddit banned an subreddit dedicated to actual whale watching thinking it was a part of the fat hate movement https://archive.is/nsZKC

16:28:03 assbot: whalewatching ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMJUkr )

16:30:22 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski im surprised he's not a lot more widely known.

16:30:29 mircea_popescu: for instance i have nfi how it's possible alfie's not a fan

16:30:40 pete_dushenski: he's... not ?!

16:30:48 mircea_popescu: i dunno

16:30:49 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ahaha

16:31:30 pete_dushenski: i came across thorne a few years back when a friend bought me a collection of his stories

16:31:35 pete_dushenski: epic lulzfest

16:32:06 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and i expect reddit admins don't now self ban for the whale watching incident because while they don't ban ideas but actiosn, nevertheless their own actions are extempt, because

16:32:10 mircea_popescu: "io was just doing my job"

16:32:12 pete_dushenski: pretty sure i mentioned and sourced (at least) one of his pieces for a contravex article a few months back

16:32:26 mircea_popescu: ie, to the bureaucrat's mind, HE is the only one entitled to be in the world (on account of his job)

16:32:26 BingoBoingo: Seriously

16:32:30 mircea_popescu: everyone else - just a guest here.

16:32:38 mircea_popescu: which is exactly what we'll be doing to them.

16:32:43 mircea_popescu: everyone ELSE is entitled to be here

16:32:48 mircea_popescu: but bureaucrats have no civil rights

16:32:54 mircea_popescu: you feel rapey one morning, rape a cop.

16:32:57 mircea_popescu: that's what they're there for.

16:33:14 BingoBoingo: This seems to be the reddit's last inflection point on the digg curve https://archive.is/p72br

16:33:14 assbot: all subreddits ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMKpuK )

16:33:16 pete_dushenski: the world must conform to the bureaucrat's 'ideas', namely, the words scrawled on the 'regulation' piece of paper

16:33:41 pete_dushenski: though they have no idea from whence these words came

16:33:48 pete_dushenski: 'mana from heaven'

16:33:56 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the funny thing is, they watched the internet completely destroy the journalism business model, 1990-2010

16:33:59 pete_dushenski: "you should be grateful"

16:34:04 mircea_popescu: and did not for a second realise that... guess who's next ?

16:34:11 mircea_popescu: as they say, if you don't know who's next.... you're next.

16:34:24 punkman: oh a new one http://www.27bslash6.com/chairs.html

16:34:25 assbot: It's like an involuntary tic or a really boring form of Tourette's ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMKv5A )

16:34:25 pete_dushenski: "first they came for... etc"

16:35:10 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: bureaucrats probably assumed they could throw manufacturing under the bus next

16:35:14 pete_dushenski: perhaps academia

16:35:19 mircea_popescu: except nobody asks them :)

16:35:36 pete_dushenski: true !

16:36:46 BingoBoingo: Seriously though zippo, works exactly as advertsed while made in USia. I did not know anything like this was still made

16:37:28 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: simple enough mechanism, i guess

16:37:35 pete_dushenski: not a car, dishwasher, etc

16:37:55 BingoBoingo: My though is maybe the manufactering setup is too expensive to move?

16:38:16 pete_dushenski: also, smokers are a traditional bunch, not looking for bluetooth connectivity on their zippo

16:38:53 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: more likely brand value of "made in usa" and sufficiently cheap labour (non-union)

16:38:54 BingoBoingo: yes we are

16:39:12 BingoBoingo: Well the thing is stamped pennsylvania so likely union

16:39:35 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo could be a case of brazil made but well hidden fact fraud. how do you know it's us made ?

16:40:03 BingoBoingo: that is a point

16:41:19 BingoBoingo: Can't find anything online about the great zippo layoff though

16:41:58 pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1160746 << 'majority' is only 51%, even though i agree that 'direct welfare' is an awful definition

16:41:58 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 14:19:43; nubbins`: mircea_popescu the majority of people on irc who don't work in tech are generally on some form of social assistance

16:42:52 mircea_popescu: in any case, i'll make the point that i am not at all against welfare, but i am dead-stone-cold against the state having anything to do with it.

16:43:11 mircea_popescu: it's a source of power for it that it should never even dream of, and it's a source of moral hazard for society the likes of which can not even be described.

16:43:17 nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ze5GxP7V

16:43:18 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt0jK5 )

16:43:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:43:27 mircea_popescu: welfare, like ownership of women and children, should be strictly in the hands of the citizenry.

16:44:21 mircea_popescu: (the two incidentally are not at all that distinct, welfare and ownership of people as things)

16:45:34 pete_dushenski: just found a curious bug in search.b-a : if the search contains the '%' symbol, clicking 'next page' sends you back to the blank search homepage

16:45:43 pete_dushenski: ^kakobrekla

16:46:04 pete_dushenski: not necessarily a big deal, just to note.

16:47:22 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so it's in the state's interest to maximise welfare distribution

16:47:33 pete_dushenski: as it would be for any private citizen

16:47:51 mircea_popescu: well, it baloons because the state doesn't have to pay for it.

16:48:10 mircea_popescu: if i got to sign checks off your bank account, i could probably have enough "friends" to fill your house with drunks.

16:48:23 pete_dushenski: whereas a citizen is limited by his own pocketbook, right.

16:48:37 mircea_popescu: if you also gotta make that money first...

16:48:47 mircea_popescu: as shown by the relative rarity of homeowners filling thew place with drunks.

16:48:56 mircea_popescu: (rent!=ownership here)

16:51:01 pete_dushenski: which gives us "low-income/social" housing

16:52:18 pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field

16:54:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29077 @ 0.00036356 = 10.5712 BTC [+] {3}

16:55:56 nubbins`: ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161149

16:55:56 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 16:43:17; nubbins`: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ze5GxP7V

16:56:05 nubbins`: i believe you requested this a while back

17:01:06 pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats

17:01:09 gribble: Current Blocks: 360488 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 375 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 57 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None

17:01:19 pete_dushenski: none...

17:01:31 pete_dushenski: ;;nethash

17:01:32 gribble: 383308350.87

17:01:40 pete_dushenski: mhm.

17:03:15 ascii_field: nubbins`: i'm out here sans key

17:03:19 ascii_field: will have to look, later

17:03:24 nubbins`: a treat for later

17:03:27 ascii_field: ok

17:04:10 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: afaik NOBODY makes good digital pedals

17:04:19 ascii_field: (entirely not same animal as racing or flightsim pedals)

17:04:26 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Ah digital. yeah that's analog

17:07:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00038149 = 9.8806 BTC [+]

17:09:20 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161101 << wai wat, of what ?

17:09:20 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 16:30:29; mircea_popescu: for instance i have nfi how it's possible alfie's not a fan

17:10:56 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: of the thorne guy

17:11:15 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html

17:11:16 assbot: "Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt4Wnr )

17:13:04 ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2015#1161134 << what's it, a bottle of petrol and a flint ?

17:13:04 assbot: Logged on 11-06-2015 16:36:46; BingoBoingo: Seriously though zippo, works exactly as advertsed while made in USia. I did not know anything like this was still made

17:13:14 ascii_field: archetypically american archaicism

17:13:25 ascii_field: (butane lighters have existed for what, half a century now ?)

17:13:56 BingoBoingo: ascii_field: It's a wick that runs through a course of rayon balls soaked in naptha

17:14:10 BingoBoingo: Excels in the wind which is a constant bane of the smoker

17:15:05 BingoBoingo: Not a single moving part or wear item that isn't user servicable

17:17:00 *: BingoBoingo has used butane lighters for the longest time, almost always disposable. The refilable ones don't tend to last.

17:17:00 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i often find these on the pavement. when turned over, they invariably read 'made in china'

17:17:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00036392 = 6.1502 BTC [-] {2}

17:17:59 BingoBoingo: I've had previous lighters of the zippo form before , but they almost always leaked within weeks of purchase

17:18:22 BingoBoingo: And if Imma smoke cigarettes I don't want my meat becoming a fire hazard

17:20:25 nubbins`: ascii_field "fake zippos" are plentiful and outnumber the real ones thousands to one

17:20:53 nubbins`: "real zippos" come with lifetime warranties, and if you mail them a broken zippo from 1930 they'll fix it for free

17:21:03 nubbins`: and truly are windproof

17:21:21 nubbins`: i can hold one 6" from my face and empty my lungs at it without extinguishing the flame

17:21:53 *: BingoBoingo has been lighing cigarettes in front of fans in awe. I don't know what I was missing with "Bic"

17:21:55 nubbins`: that said, the ubiquitous Bic lighter is a marvel in its own right

17:22:16 BingoBoingo: It is. Bic will probably remain my lighter for driving

17:22:53 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:22:56 ascii_field: BingoBoingo: why not the electric lighter built into the car?

17:23:26 BingoBoingo: My beloved Saturn, which has forded floods and traversed cornfields... lacks one

17:23:45 BingoBoingo: Instead it has utility plug which rejects replacement lighters

17:24:04 BingoBoingo: Just refuses to heat them

17:24:05 ascii_field: wai wat, how ?!

17:24:20 BingoBoingo: I dunno how, but I've tried.

17:24:29 nubbins`: heh

17:24:39 nubbins`: contact the dealership

17:24:51 BingoBoingo: Maybe some Z80 motherfucker detects the resistance of a lighter

17:24:52 nubbins`: my car also has a "power outlet" w/ no lighter

17:25:06 nubbins`: but those things suck anyway

17:25:08 nubbins`: dodgy to use

17:25:16 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Dealership was rental place which rented car previously

17:25:19 BingoBoingo: !up mixdio

17:25:22 nubbins`: just as likely for the cig to stick to the coil and you end up with a hot cherry in your lap

17:25:52 nubbins`: plus they get dirty w/ ash etc

17:26:06 nubbins`: about as sensible as lighting a cig on an electric stove element while in the home

17:26:10 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Yeah in previous car I disliked it. Cig sticks the thing stays hot so potential disaster if dropped. No point in it if it can only be safely used while parked or staopped

17:26:26 nubbins`: i dropped the car lighter once while driving, had to pull over

17:26:42 BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> about as sensible as lighting a cig on an electric stove element while in the home << have done this numberous times. Works splendidly

17:26:56 nubbins`: works splendidly but i bet you swore for a bic each time

17:27:25 BingoBoingo: Nah, only most times. Most times did it as a party trick for visiting smoker guests.

17:31:03 nubbins`: all this talk of smoking

17:31:06 nubbins`: :/

17:31:30 ascii_field: in other news,

17:31:37 ascii_field: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76 http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC3860B1F474ECBA8A5E4B3EE68EC611E2A60731994E56C22070EC864766D4A6

17:31:39 assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mt9wC0 )

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17:33:07 *: BingoBoingo pretty sure he has figured out the part of leak resistance most zippo clones neglect.

17:34:27 BingoBoingo: combination of plated brass case and steel fuel holding insert is the trick (beyond measurements)

17:35:17 nubbins`: brass and steel huh

17:36:00 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well think about the metals in terms on conparatice hardness and their willingness to flex

17:36:56 nubbins`: i will do no such thing!

17:38:18 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148

17:38:19 assbot: Medical marijuana legal in all forms, Supreme Court rules - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtbmTF )

17:39:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00036801 = 10.2675 BTC [+]

17:40:03 BingoBoingo: fine, the outer case is a plated flexible Brass, the inner insert is rigid steel. There is a taper and ring combination between the case and inset that is tight to non-polar fluids. Aluminum on aluminum and Zamac on Zamac don't accomplish this. <<< ATTN CHINESE COUNTERFEITERS PLS ACK

17:40:06 nubbins`: related:

17:40:07 nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/my-qp-why-does-my-child-have-to-smoke-his-medical-marijuana-1.2841202

17:40:07 assbot: My QP: Why does my child have to smoke his medical marijuana? - Politics - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtbQcm )

17:40:59 nubbins`: 10yo kid has severe epilepsy, weed reduces their frequency by 99%, kid is not permitted to eat hash brownie

17:41:03 nubbins`: MUST smoke joint

17:41:08 nubbins`: (until today!)

17:41:18 BingoBoingo: Brass though generaly a useful metal. doesn't spark.

17:43:25 nubbins`: "We will continue to combat it. We will continue our anti-drug strategy, we will target youth with the message that marijuana pot is bad for them," the minister said.

17:43:36 nubbins`: marijuana pot is bad for you

17:48:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00035513 = 7.6886 BTC [-]

17:50:49 *: jurov hits nubbins` into the head with the pot

17:50:56 jurov: BAD FOR YA, I TOLD YOU

17:53:14 *: BingoBoingo may be wrong about bimetallic theory, 0.5 BTC is too much to test at the moment http://www.zippo.com/product.aspx?id=1023714

17:53:15 assbot: Zippo - Slim® (Style #1500-000038-Z) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KCCHV1 )

17:53:18 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

17:55:41 BingoBoingo: !up allahisgreat2000

17:55:47 allahisgreat2000: ty

17:55:51 BingoBoingo: allahisgreat2000: Further BitBet questions?

17:55:59 allahisgreat2000: yes

17:56:05 jurov: ;;seen yhwh

17:56:06 gribble: I have not seen yhwh.

17:56:08 BingoBoingo: !up BoobBarker

17:56:08 jurov: ;;seen yhwh_

17:56:09 gribble: yhwh_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 weeks, 1 day, 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <yhwh_> tight

17:56:16 BingoBoingo: allahisgreat2000: continue

17:56:23 allahisgreat2000: I just wanted to ask why the provision is so low

17:56:32 BingoBoingo: Which provision?

17:56:41 allahisgreat2000: the 1 %

17:56:47 allahisgreat2000: bitbet takes

17:56:56 BingoBoingo: Because some bets get BIG

17:57:06 kakobrekla: cheap whores

17:57:10 BingoBoingo: ;;google biggest bets on Bitbet

17:57:12 gribble: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B ...: https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/; BitBet: https://bitbet.us/; BitBet history on fraudsters - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2015/bitbet-history/

17:57:23 BingoBoingo: But yes also cheap whores

17:57:29 allahisgreat2000: oh nice

17:58:01 allahisgreat2000: someone lost 400,000 dollars hahahahahha

17:58:08 allahisgreat2000: I can't help but laugh

17:58:37 allahisgreat2000: sorry

17:59:09 jurov: wait till you lose big on "easy" bets

17:59:21 kakobrekla: jus bet on no

17:59:25 allahisgreat2000: basically

17:59:31 allahisgreat2000: just bet against bitcoin and you're fine

17:59:52 jurov: do is mell martingale?

18:00:32 BingoBoingo: Not always bet against bitcoin, and not always on no

18:00:43 allahisgreat2000: why did some bets get so much popularity

18:00:43 BingoBoingo: ;;google bitbet worth more than satoshi dice

18:00:45 gribble: Satoshi Dice - The Biggest Bitcoin Game in the World: https://www.satoshidice.com/; NEXT: 06-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2014; A New Spin on Parimutuel Wagering - Btc Alpha: http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-spin-on-parimutuel-wagering/

18:01:34 BingoBoingo: ;;google site:bitbet.us bitbet worth more than satoshi dice

18:01:36 gribble: BitBet - CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th ...: https://bitbet.us/bet/1121/clam-losing-grip-sells-0-0029-or-lower/

18:02:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5043 @ 0.00035513 = 1.7909 BTC [-]

18:02:51 allahisgreat2000: are there other sites like bitbet?

18:03:16 BingoBoingo: https://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/

18:03:17 assbot: BitBet - BitBet will we worth more than Satoshi Dice :: 3.92 B (18%) on Yes, 17.83 B (82%) on No | closed 1 year 11 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1MthlHX )

18:03:21 BingoBoingo: Not really

18:03:56 allahisgreat2000: if not they could probably raise to 5%, I don't think it would seriously set people back from betting

18:04:01 allahisgreat2000: and that's 5x the profit

18:04:14 allahisgreat2000: just my 2 percent

18:10:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00035874 = 4.8789 BTC [+] {2}

18:11:21 BingoBoingo: allahisgreat2000: Well, the thing is since they already get betting volume 1% keeps away erstwhile competitors

18:12:43 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: 0.5 btc too much for lighter, then 50 btc is right out eh. http://www.zippo.com/product.aspx?id=1023765

18:12:44 assbot: Zippo - Classic (Style #195-001-Z) ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtjCTx )

18:12:56 pete_dushenski: hm. lighter or mpex seat.

18:13:00 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Indeed

18:14:46 allahisgreat2000: bitbet trades on mpex

18:14:50 allahisgreat2000: is it a registered company?

18:14:57 allahisgreat2000: or how does it work

18:15:22 pete_dushenski: in other news, rupert murdoch stepped down as ceo of 21st century fox today

18:16:32 allahisgreat2000: i'll try to google it I guess

18:17:42 BingoBoingo: allahisgreat2000: It trades is registered on MPEx

18:18:18 allahisgreat2000: it trades as a registered company itself?

18:19:10 pete_dushenski: allahisgreat2000: being traded on mpex is a registration of sorts unto itself

18:19:23 pete_dushenski: arguably the one and only (tm)

18:21:51 mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Excels in the wind which is a constant bane of the smoker << this. butane sucks.

18:21:58 mircea_popescu: i dunno who the fuck uses them for for what.

18:22:23 BingoBoingo: I mean the butane torch lighters are cool... until they need refilled

18:23:13 allahisgreat2000: why does mpex has such a poor layout?

18:23:32 mircea_popescu: because you're new and have nfi.

18:23:44 mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field

18:23:55 allahisgreat2000: it's still shitty

18:24:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15719 @ 0.00036532 = 5.7425 BTC [+]

18:25:05 mircea_popescu: M * 193 ? heh

18:25:20 TheNewDeal: for the lelz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp2CEJb4oyY

18:25:21 assbot: Criminal Masterminds: Man uses balloons to dispose of illegal drugs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mtmyj7 )

18:25:48 BingoBoingo: <allahisgreat2000> why does mpex has such a poor layout? << easy to parse

18:27:26 mircea_popescu: ftr i'd rather not see more from this derp this year.

18:27:39 BingoBoingo: yeah

18:28:17 mircea_popescu: "oh raise it 5x it'd raise 5x and wouldn't lower 5x just my 2%" he should probably target young people with pot messages.

18:28:30 nubbins`: so i now have "concierge service" with the royal canadian mint

18:28:33 nubbins`: o.O

18:28:36 mircea_popescu: either that or he's one of those people who've been targetted by ministers

18:28:40 mircea_popescu: which IS bad for them

18:28:44 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: add an item to the 'civilization no longer knows how to make these not be garbage' list: logic analyzers...

18:28:50 mircea_popescu: the jury's still out on weed. but fucking ministers are HORRIBLE for youth

18:29:08 nubbins`: i'll be the first to say weed messes kids up

18:29:28 nubbins`: i guess i won't be the first.

18:29:29 nubbins`: heh

18:30:28 mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc1pvnNEvi1r3si7eo1_500.gif << liek fresh apple pie

18:30:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MtnAvw )

18:30:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18710 @ 0.00036532 = 6.8351 BTC [+]

18:31:14 TheNewDeal: speaking of fresh. Yesterday was quite the day in fresh news

18:31:24 mircea_popescu: wha happened ?

18:31:38 TheNewDeal: 4 articles published

18:32:07 TheNewDeal: and I think 3 were in a matter of a few hours

18:32:12 mircea_popescu: o you mean qntra ?

18:32:49 TheNewDeal: well I said news, of course

18:33:19 TheNewDeal: whats the 1 day record?

18:33:35 mircea_popescu: might have been... gotta consult teh experts.

18:35:18 TheNewDeal: looks like feb 18th might have it

18:35:40 TheNewDeal: scratch that

18:36:15 mircea_popescu: so why not write one an' help the records along?

18:36:57 TheNewDeal: oO

18:37:07 BingoBoingo: If I remember right 5-ish was the record

18:37:22 TheNewDeal: Oct 9th, 2013 - (11)

18:38:53 TheNewDeal: I had an idea for one titled the U.S. War on Crptography, but it started looking like garbage to me. Might have to go back for a rewrite

18:39:12 mircea_popescu: the first 10`000 or so rewrites are always the hardest

18:39:18 mircea_popescu: you go numb after that.

18:39:21 TheNewDeal: hahaha

18:40:18 mircea_popescu: !up goregrind

18:44:32 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Instead of big sweeping pieces it is easier to start with smaller ones that lead to a big sweeping piece later. It is alwas possible to cite oneself later

18:45:11 TheNewDeal: not a bad idea

18:45:53 TheNewDeal: Although I think I'm slightly braindamaged and forget how to find real news. Where exists real breaking news these days, outside of the propaganda machine?

18:46:19 TheNewDeal: the blagosphere?

18:46:48 BingoBoingo: AH, actual news is hard to find

18:51:00 jurov: if you do stuff, real news will find you

18:51:50 mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal actually, you could go ask people things.

18:52:11 mircea_popescu: take random "event" as reported by the noisemakers, ask the people involved intelligent questions, write down their answers.

18:52:32 mircea_popescu: can't miss. nobody in "journalism" has asked an intelligent question since that time in 1996 that chick asked me if she may suck my cock.

18:53:31 jurov: lol as today, due to my stint at hard-of-hearing nonprofit (now defunct, but my phone is still listed on only non-derpy slovak website related to hearing disability)

18:53:42 jurov: i got a call from immigration police

18:54:03 jurov: "we have sme deaf ukrainians here, we dun know wtf to do"

18:54:33 kakobrekla: did you tell em they are just pretending

18:55:26 mircea_popescu: ^

18:55:33 jurov: heh i had to explain them twice why the sign language may be different here and there, their manner convinced me they are genuine cops

18:55:47 mircea_popescu: not the cops. the ukrs.

18:56:05 jurov: oh. never occurred to me

18:56:08 mircea_popescu: lol

18:56:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20563 @ 0.00036532 = 7.5121 BTC [+]

18:57:19 jurov: but i meant that as illustration for TheNewDeal that if you get involved, things happen. soe are ordinary, like this, some are newsworthy, like eulora

18:57:33 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: for your qntsideration http://dpaste.com/1W2XWE9.txt

18:57:34 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GACt0x )

18:57:56 TheNewDeal: ahhh

18:58:04 mircea_popescu: he has a point there.

19:02:45 scoopbot_revived: 17-year-old Virginian Pleads Guilty to Tweeting About Bitcoin and ISIS http://qntra.net/2015/06/17-year-old-virginian-pleads-guilty-to-tweeting-about-bitcoin-and-isis/

19:03:32 pete_dushenski: ^another poor kid signed the papers

19:03:54 mircea_popescu: "using the only and only cryptocurrency" ?

19:04:21 pete_dushenski: hm. "one and only"

19:04:26 pete_dushenski: please to fix BingoBoingo

19:04:55 pete_dushenski: only^2 !!

19:05:10 pete_dushenski: 1 is the onliest number

19:05:21 BingoBoingo: fxd

19:05:36 pete_dushenski: cheers

19:05:41 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/5iYsa

19:05:43 assbot: Reminder that Ellen Pao, reddit's CEO, demanded $2.7M to not appeal lost gender discrimination lawsuit, exactly the same amount her husband owes in legal fees for his Ponzi scheme case : conspiracy ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8gi3R )

19:06:43 mircea_popescu: ahahaha good one.

19:06:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo qntra ?

19:07:14 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: You want a first qntra scoop? There's reddit drama!

19:07:39 mircea_popescu: a large piece about what a piece of human refuse pao is, and what a huge turd everything ycombinator touches turns out, and specifically about what a failed human being altgman is and what a morally repugnant schmoe graham is for allowing the charade to continue

19:07:42 mircea_popescu: would kinda hit the spot.

19:08:19 mircea_popescu: people kinda need to hear about all this filth.

19:08:46 mircea_popescu: lest they end up believing "professional" is something other than "toilet clogged with nail polish on"

19:13:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00036801 = 2.0241 BTC [+]

19:15:13 kakobrekla: jurov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St98rOLZlEs

19:15:14 assbot: The Wire - English Motherfucker - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GADOVm )

19:15:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00036637 = 6.2283 BTC [-] {3}

19:16:34 jurov: ?

19:17:05 kakobrekla: nvm

19:20:19 TheNewDeal: Think I'm going to have a heater here. Might take a month or so

19:25:01 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Nah, gotta work on that speed

19:35:08 TheNewDeal: qualitay is the game

19:35:32 TheNewDeal: Learned that as a Green Belt(tm) ;)

19:38:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00037417 = 9.8781 BTC [+]

19:43:47 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Sure

19:44:17 TheNewDeal: Not indicating yours are low quality, just want to find my own niche

19:52:02 BingoBoingo: Well there's seriously the reddit thing if you want low hanging fruit.

20:00:29 mircea_popescu: pretty ripe, height irrespective.

20:02:23 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

20:02:35 ascii_field: mats, anybody remotely else: does anybody on the planet sell a logic analyzer that isn't an utter piece of shit?

20:02:48 ascii_field: for any price ?

20:03:22 mircea_popescu: define ?

20:03:49 ascii_field: 1) 500MHz+ 2) no winblows, on the analyzer OR pc end 3) pisses out capture to pc at channel rate

20:07:26 jurov: usb tv tuner not suitable?

20:07:35 jurov: http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr

20:07:36 assbot: rtl-sdr – OsmoSDR ... ( http://bit.ly/1cOoyGm )

20:07:50 thestringpuller: how is Voorhees operating a business in new york when he defected and moved to panama to avoid US taxes?

20:08:07 jurov: thestringpuller: very ethically

20:08:13 ascii_field: thus far i can't even find a supplier who will guarantee two out of these three

20:08:13 ascii_field: (#2 is not negotiable, the thing feeds into an automated system)

20:08:14 *: ascii_field pronounces curse on the lying pieces of shit who built the chinese instrument he is presently attempting to use

20:08:14 ascii_field: everything they make is an electronic equivalent of 'gutter oil.' EVERYTHING.

20:08:24 ascii_field: jurov: not logic analyzer!!!

20:09:09 mircea_popescu: ascii_field something like Saleae Pro 8 Logic ?

20:09:10 jurov: anything that takes samples at requested rates can be repurposed to logical analyzer. or, educate me.

20:09:16 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a turd

20:09:42 mircea_popescu: nevertheless it is 5msamples and iirc os ?

20:09:53 ascii_field: jurov: needs not only an input buffer that lets you define the 'high' and 'low' voltage, but a gigantic sram buffer for the bits

20:10:04 ascii_field: and a very fast connection (pci, or usb3 at the minimal) to pc

20:10:19 ascii_field: otherwise you only get fraction of a second 'blast'

20:10:45 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we considered salae thing. vastly underpowered, and (last checked) requires use of their app

20:11:13 mircea_popescu: i don't really recall how that was left. hazy memory at best.

20:11:20 jurov: that yes... if you insist on capturing long sequences at >500MHz at such constraints... God help you.

20:11:41 ascii_field: jurov: i'd be satisfied if the boxes which claimed 100, actually did anything near.

20:12:14 jurov: what if you buy 100 of these dongles and instruct them to fire sequentially?

20:12:30 ascii_field: jurov: that is PRECISELY why the chinese unit sucks

20:12:32 ascii_field: that's what it does.

20:12:39 ascii_field: trick is that the phases -never- line up.

20:12:43 mircea_popescu: ahh

20:12:45 jurov: lolk

20:12:50 ascii_field: 1024 chickens

20:12:54 ascii_field: cannot equal the ox.

20:13:16 mircea_popescu: the phases will never line up for stuff to do with planck's constant

20:13:32 ascii_field: mircea_popescu: more elementarily, for stuff to do with chineseness

20:13:43 ascii_field: we are working well below ultimate physical limits here

20:14:42 mats: ascii_field: for generic high speed stuff, get a Rigol oscope and write your own tools?

20:14:52 mircea_popescu: i am pretty sure you won't find a unit with 8 gb ddram which reads at 500mhz and stores 16 seconds for you.

20:14:56 ascii_field: mats: that's what i have!!!!

20:14:59 ascii_field: it's a fucking turx

20:15:00 ascii_field: turd

20:15:14 mats: bummer

20:16:03 ascii_field: 500mhz/1chan/16sec ~= 1000 MByte.

20:16:09 mircea_popescu: ascii_field how about connecting it straight to the cpu ?

20:16:28 ascii_field: input would have to be processed in 1 cycle

20:16:40 ascii_field: then you have idiocies like interrupts, dram wait states...

20:16:53 mircea_popescu: hm

20:17:06 trinque: something keeps knocking that guy offline

20:17:08 mircea_popescu: but you don't really care WHICH seconds you capture, as long as you capture some ?

20:17:13 ascii_field: no

20:17:15 mircea_popescu: just write a driver for it as if it were i dunno, an ethernet

20:17:20 ascii_field: gotta capture a particular span of time

20:17:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0003647 = 14.0774 BTC [-] {2}

20:17:35 ascii_field: again, there can be no variation in the latency of the capture

20:17:44 trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1FD6NBK.txt

20:17:45 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B65rmY )

20:17:45 deedbot-: accepted: 1

20:17:45 mircea_popescu: what are you trying to do ?

20:17:48 ascii_field: the reason i even tell this story is that i sorta realized that logic analyzers don't actually exist

20:18:01 ascii_field: and that the instruments sold under this label are apparently a cheap fraud

20:18:06 mircea_popescu: seem some pretty heavy constraints

20:18:18 mats: here we go again

20:18:29 jurov: trinque this is wiki material

20:19:08 trinque: I dun haz an account

20:19:50 trinque: jurov: that's for mod6 who is writing up something more fleshed out

20:20:20 jurov: still nice to have, ask kakobrekla for acct

20:20:30 ascii_field: looked at how logic analyzer is typically built, and was immediately struck by the idiocy of it using synchronous logic

20:20:37 ascii_field: i.e. sampling at fixed frequency

20:20:51 danielpbarron: http://gfy.com/20496100-post1.html >> I am selling my account on Agora as well as all my inventory. I simply don't have the time to be packing up orders and running out to the post office a couple times a week. I will also reveal my sources for all these items. I have almost 1000 transactions on there and have a feedback rating of 4.68 out of 5.

20:20:52 assbot: GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum - View Single Post - For Sale Make Big Money on the Darkweb. I Am Selling My Elite Vendor Account + Inventory! ... ( http://bit.ly/1cOq3V7 )

20:21:16 ascii_field: i fail to see any reason why it isn't instead a series of registers clocked asynchronously by the inputs, causing a single time-stamp reg to be shifted out the arse end upon any transition

20:21:24 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so you wanna buy it ?

20:21:41 danielpbarron: buy what? this dude's agora account? no

20:22:15 mircea_popescu: ascii_field hm.

20:22:17 ascii_field: yes, engineers say 'we hate clock domain transitions.' well, motherfuckers can dig for uranium in butugychag until they learn to ~like~

20:22:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28903 @ 0.0003723 = 10.7606 BTC [+] {2}

20:23:21 mircea_popescu: have a pic of a suspender bra instead. http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma98asTIHd1r6ppbno1_1280.jpg

20:23:23 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1B65RtB )

20:23:32 ascii_field: l0l

20:29:05 mats: http://www.msreverseengineering.com/blog/2015/6/9/x86-trivia-for-nerds

20:29:06 assbot: Trivia Questions for X86 Nerds — Möbius Strip Reverse Engineering ... ( http://bit.ly/1B66iEn )

20:32:33 *: ascii_field was expecting a '#26: if you can answer all of these, your life is a waste. eat your Luger.'

20:33:12 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field

20:34:39 nubbins`: danielpbarron re: account sale lel

20:38:30 mats: heh

20:54:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59650 @ 0.00037013 = 22.0783 BTC [-] {3}

20:55:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00035513 = 15.4837 BTC [-]

21:17:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00035945 = 15.1688 BTC [+] {2}

21:28:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.25362132 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 5 satoshi per share

21:29:19 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/226HVEM.txt

21:29:21 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1I7u53x )

21:29:22 deedbot-: accepted: 1

21:31:29 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/109VEQM.txt

21:31:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e6IoOI )

21:31:29 deedbot-: accepted: 1

21:31:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 77.96824298 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 15 satoshi per share

21:42:57 shinohai: 15 sats per share o my https://i.imgur.com/ZNMF05U.jpg

21:42:58 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1e6JvxG )

21:47:43 trinque: that time I clicked a shinohai link in public

21:47:55 trinque: no regrets

21:48:05 shinohai: #yolo

21:48:44 shinohai: If I could figure out how to marry my love of porn to btc I might make something

21:59:37 mircea_popescu: nice girl.

22:24:59 jurov: shinohai perhaps you can make 3d models for eulora?

22:35:01 mircea_popescu: btw, anyone has noticed yet the girls have no underwear and if you fiddle the camera there's an anus shot ?

22:35:54 asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

22:36:02 ascii_field: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/01/blockchain_app_shows_how_not_to_code << did we do this lul ?

22:36:03 assbot: Android Bitcoin wallet Blockchain was briefly borked • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8QEvR )

22:36:16 ascii_field: ^ not to be confused with the -last- time this happened

22:37:56 mircea_popescu: sort-of

22:38:03 trinque: what the fuck, blockchain was/is using somebody else's API for "random" data?

22:38:14 mircea_popescu: heh

22:38:29 mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works trinque m'boy.

22:38:48 ascii_field: again, not to be confused with the time they used defective rng on android proper

22:39:20 mircea_popescu: gottra love all these "A second programming error"

22:39:27 danielpbarron: jurov> http://www.explo.yt/eulora_rec_9.png this camera angle was mircea's idea, eh?

22:39:29 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S8RfOb )

22:39:29 trinque: criminals everywhere, man

22:40:13 mircea_popescu: yet blockchain.org is different from daybitrade.com because... oh right, because meni rosenfeld doesn't own the wsj. that's all.

22:40:32 kakobrekla: it was bitdaytrade :)

22:40:32 mircea_popescu: ahaha win

22:40:40 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a right.

22:40:51 kakobrekla: the famous AA.

22:41:45 mircea_popescu: jurov next you run into me in game remind me to give you a coin for teh pervshot lol

22:42:14 trinque: dude this is rank bullshit

22:42:29 trinque: there's no way they were feeding the http status code into their thing as the random dada

22:42:31 trinque: *data

22:42:53 kakobrekla: intval($result) gets you that prolly

22:43:06 trinque: good god

22:43:08 trinque: it probably does

22:43:44 trinque: who knows, criminal either way

22:48:34 trinque: I find it hard to believe that these guys were doing http by opening a socket if they're lazy and stupid enough to use random.org

22:49:21 trinque: can't think of a http lib that doesn't give you the http request already parsed and parceled

22:49:27 trinque: *response

22:52:09 jurov: wonder why no one is using phone camera as source of randomness. you can't recreate the shot no matter how you try

22:53:11 BingoBoingo: especially if phone camera picture is taken in memory palace

22:53:30 jurov: !b 2

22:53:31 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/29700DS.txt )

22:53:40 trinque: jurov: pic ends up automatically uploaded to g+/fb/whatever

22:53:52 trinque: derpy user cries that the world is hard and where's his mother

22:54:04 jurov: no, barcode readers can use camera without pic being uploaded wherever

22:54:12 trinque: ah you're right

22:55:03 BingoBoingo: Seriously though what was that question yesterday about memory palace standing. A quality memory palace's geometry should be so readily describable.

22:55:36 BingoBoingo: It should really be a stretch to say memory palace's configuration has geometry.

22:56:51 BingoBoingo: In twatter news Costolo is out, Dorsey is back in

22:58:47 BingoBoingo: Can't make it easy to have the entire memory palace plucked out of the brian in one go

23:05:05 jurov: wait and how it depends on gemetry?

23:05:09 jurov: *geometry

23:06:20 BingoBoingo: jurov: Simple geometries are easy to read, this is why the weak and vulnerable make headgear out of tinfoil. To truly build a quality memory palace which resists attack one must channel their inner dank and vexual

23:06:36 mircea_popescu: who's costolo ?

23:06:45 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The current twatter CEO

23:06:50 mircea_popescu: aok

23:07:02 BingoBoingo: Dorsey was one of the founders who also did the Derpy Square thing

23:07:07 jurov: you mean by reading brainwaves?

23:07:25 BingoBoingo: jurov: Or however it is to be done.

23:07:39 trinque: >channel their inner dank and vexual

23:07:40 mircea_popescu: ya

23:07:42 trinque: lol

23:08:18 kakobrekla: even i dont get that and i have been here the longest

23:08:27 BingoBoingo: Before accessible crypto people kept their secrets by hiding them.

23:09:21 BingoBoingo: Of course this could just be yesterday's vodka I was too sleep to drink them talking

23:10:56 BingoBoingo: Also this exists http://bookofbrodin.wikia.com/wiki/Book_of_Brodin_Wiki

23:10:57 assbot: Book of Brodin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwXVTb )

23:11:47 *: mircea_popescu recalls some schmuck used a "supersecret" klingon poem or somesuch

23:11:56 mircea_popescu: because totally, nobody else read the same pulp he did.

23:12:44 BingoBoingo: The last thing a memory palace should resemble is literature of language

23:13:03 trinque: wtf is a memory palace

23:13:25 trinque: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci << ah

23:13:26 assbot: Method of loci - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMTZhc )

23:15:05 shinohai: [nsfw] http://40.media.tumblr.com/e519c4ed50ffa69050141ba100ee25cf/tumblr_njyh5jfQYw1ssvqz2o2_540.jpg

23:15:05 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MMUbgt )

23:15:36 trinque: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/11/military-leaders-debate-US-escalation-in-Iraq.html << empire's headed back to die there, I guess

23:15:37 assbot: Military leaders debate US escalation in Iraq | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwYvjO )

23:15:58 BingoBoingo: trinque: Because the first and second times were not enough

23:16:18 trinque: BingoBoingo: we'll unite the middle east (against us) yet

23:17:24 BingoBoingo: I dunno, if hitler couldn't unite all of Isaac's brothers I doubt Obola can unite all of Esau's

23:24:11 scoopbot_revived: Butterfield 8 http://fraudsters.com/2015/butterfield-8/