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00:00:01 BingoBoingo: Yeah

00:00:04 BingoBoingo: The NFL is way too political

00:02:34 mircea_popescu: dude srsly.

00:02:39 BingoBoingo: The College game I don't mind

00:10:55 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/PnduKcd

00:10:56 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

00:12:47 thestringpuller: some lemmings shit right there

00:16:14 BingoBoingo: !up Jason

00:16:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00076641 = 12.2626 BTC [+]

00:17:01 BingoBoingo: Hello Jason

00:17:11 Jason: hiya

00:17:29 Jason: ;;ident

00:17:29 gribble: Nick 'Jason', with hostmask 'Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker', is identified as user 'jason', with GPG key id F86976B2BEBA2905, key fingerprint 892C1B5E9A0DEECD762799D8F86976B2BEBA2905, and bitcoin address 1FDViwA9rddFAh7tqGjhbjYbuePmztJyUW

00:17:36 mircea_popescu: naked wanker, srsly ?

00:17:45 Jason: mircea_popescu: hehe. assbot?

00:18:01 mircea_popescu: it's short for assboot

00:18:47 Jason: i don't see the difference hehe

00:19:04 nubbins`: one's german

00:19:10 nubbins`: it means "assboat"

00:20:27 BingoBoingo: Ass in a boat load of ass

00:20:46 Jason: i don't see how that's any worse than naked wanker

00:21:02 assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1KFS4DS.txt )

00:21:02 BingoBoingo: !b 9

00:21:19 mircea_popescu: there wasn't a value judgement in there dood.

00:22:27 mircea_popescu: oh, RagnarDanneskjol got you here ?

00:22:29 mircea_popescu: !up RagnarDanneskjol

00:23:24 RagnarDanneskjol: Jason will be messaging you momentarily

00:23:41 BingoBoingo: !up SmallBitz

00:23:42 mircea_popescu: there's really no need or utility for private messaging here.

00:24:00 RagnarDanneskjol: well, old habits die hard

00:24:04 mircea_popescu: Jason the idea is to expand current bitcoin-assets functionality with a register of deeds.

00:24:05 Jason: mircea_popescu: if you'd like to discuss in-chan, that's fine by me

00:24:44 mircea_popescu: this isn't exactly a supybot module, but more like a long term sort of project, which will both require maintenance and afford the maintainer a position in teh bitcoin hierarchy.

00:25:41 *: Jason nods

00:26:44 mircea_popescu: didja get to read the spec ?

00:26:55 RagnarDanneskjol: yes he did

00:27:00 Jason: mircea_popescu: i did, but now we're separating bitcoind from the bot

00:27:54 mircea_popescu: i doubt you need to run a bitcoind. all you need really is to generate a tx and include it. various services allow this, say blockchain.info

00:28:05 *: Jason nods

00:28:13 RagnarDanneskjol: FYI - I contacted everyone on git who has done anything with teh bots - most of the names led me back here, nanatube, etal. One amusing response you might appreciate:

00:28:21 mircea_popescu: maybe it's cheaper/easier to just do bitcoind i guess, depends

00:28:40 RagnarDanneskjol: Hi,

00:28:40 RagnarDanneskjol: I would have been available, but I am not willing to work for an

00:28:40 RagnarDanneskjol: organization who objectifizes people, and is deliberately

00:28:42 RagnarDanneskjol: male/heterocentric, as shown here:

00:28:44 RagnarDanneskjol: http://fraudsters.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/

00:28:45 assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

00:28:46 RagnarDanneskjol: Not to mention this: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com

00:28:46 assbot: Search the #bitcoin-assets log

00:28:48 RagnarDanneskjol: /?q=jpg+from%3Amircea+haslink%3Atrue

00:28:58 Jason: mircea_popescu: you're fine if i post my understanding of what the project involves, yes?

00:28:58 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol yes, most people study joomla, which will never pay their bills. few people even know how much more important techs a la supybot are for the future of it.

00:29:09 mircea_popescu: Jason go ahead

00:29:35 RagnarDanneskjol: mhmmm

00:29:47 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol that's okay, "an organisation who" doesn't want to work with people what such a poor mastery of grammers.

00:30:12 Jason: mircea_popescu: so essentially collect < 16 kb of data from a POST, record it, and have an event every 512 seconds to verify clearsigned signatures and append it to a string which will then be hashed?

00:31:23 mircea_popescu: in other objectifying women news, i just poured down the drain a whole bottle of mumm because i got fucking scammed. here i am, naively buying stuff from major colonials store, only to discover i am being sold local knockoffs. shit was flat and tasted like llama piss to boot!

00:31:47 RagnarDanneskjol: HAHAH

00:31:51 nubbins`: how does llama piss taste, anyway?

00:32:01 mircea_popescu: like argentinian faux mumm.

00:32:25 nubbins`: lel.

00:32:27 mircea_popescu: Jason well, and pipe that to a website, say records.bitcoin-assets.com

00:32:28 BigBitz: dafuq is mumm?

00:32:41 mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ?

00:32:52 BigBitz: dafuq is mumm?

00:33:02 Jason: mircea_popescu: ok -- and that's it?

00:33:13 mircea_popescu: Jason no, but that's it for now :)

00:34:02 Jason: where does an IRC bot come in?

00:34:09 Jason: or does it?

00:34:17 nubbins`: BigBitz: once more, louder please

00:34:24 nubbins`: third time's a charm

00:34:41 BigBitz: dafuq is mumm?

00:34:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00076519 = 10.4448 BTC [-]

00:34:54 nubbins`: some drink that tastes like llama piss

00:35:08 BigBitz: You describe it so well.

00:35:10 mircea_popescu: BigBitz nubbins` it's this french champagne made by a bunch of german people.

00:35:19 nubbins`: hey, i'm a wordsmith

00:35:23 BigBitz: Ohhh. Llama Piss is sound.

00:35:38 mircea_popescu: i think the most sold or something. it's basically the honda of bubbly. cheap and reliable.

00:35:45 nubbins`: o

00:36:02 nubbins`: gets you from point a to point b

00:36:13 mircea_popescu: Jason do you know how the mpex bots work ? or assbot's quotes ?

00:37:02 Jason: mircea_popescu: unsure about mpex bots. assbot's quote is probably just a standard supybot module, right?

00:37:16 mircea_popescu: not that standard, afaik.

00:37:19 mircea_popescu: !s 2

00:37:20 assbot: 31662 results for '2' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=2

00:37:22 mircea_popescu: bah

00:37:24 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/32JP951.txt )

00:37:24 mircea_popescu: !b 2

00:37:31 mircea_popescu: see it took the text and dumped it in a paste.

00:37:38 Jason: so basically it just looks through logs, sends it over to dpaste?

00:37:58 Jason: looks through the last x lines, includes them in a dpaste

00:38:13 RagnarDanneskjol: look here jason: http://bitcoin-assets.com/

00:38:13 assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.

00:38:14 mircea_popescu: right. the mpex bots can also process pastes.

00:38:28 mircea_popescu: which is how this'd work. lemme give you an example.

00:38:43 RagnarDanneskjol: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots

00:38:44 assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]

00:39:20 Jason: ok

00:39:56 mircea_popescu: !mp http://dpaste.com/3XT97H3

00:39:56 assbot: dpaste: 3XT97H3

00:39:56 assbot: Processing.

00:39:57 assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/29NTGJ6.txt

00:40:08 mircea_popescu: derpitude.

00:40:20 Jason: mircea_popescu: unauthorized sig?

00:40:33 mircea_popescu: well it's not supposed to say that, i musta fucked something up.

00:40:36 Jason: oh

00:40:46 Jason: what should have happened?

00:40:54 mircea_popescu: given me back a pgp message.

00:41:09 RagnarDanneskjol: ;; gettrust mircea_popescu

00:41:09 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user RagnarDanneskjol to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=RagnarDanneskjol&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011

00:41:13 mircea_popescu: but anyway, the idea being : i sign a document, send it to your bot this way, the bot includes the document if it qualifies in the list of documents.

00:41:20 RagnarDanneskjol: just chekin

00:41:44 Jason: mircea_popescu: how do i determine whether it qualifies?

00:41:49 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol turns out i used a cached command with the old signature.

00:41:49 Jason: whether i can verify the signature?

00:41:59 mircea_popescu: Jason no, whether the signature is in assbot's l2 wot.

00:42:35 Jason: ok

00:42:40 thestringpuller: that looks like 12 mircea_popescu

00:42:41 thestringpuller: :P

00:42:49 mircea_popescu: !mp http://dpaste.com/2E5GY49

00:42:50 assbot: dpaste: 2E5GY49

00:42:50 assbot: Processing.

00:42:52 assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/253NERG.txt

00:43:06 Jason: still unauth'd

00:43:09 mircea_popescu: you gotta be kidding me.

00:43:30 thestringpuller: !mp

00:43:30 assbot: Paste signcrypted order: http://dpaste.com/

00:43:38 thestringpuller: Ah

00:43:44 thestringpuller: is that to dump mpex orders?

00:43:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00076795 = 31.7547 BTC [+] {3}

00:44:03 mircea_popescu: !mp http://dpaste.com/2E5GY49.txt

00:44:03 assbot: Processing.

00:44:05 assbot: Response: http://dpaste.com/2HVFGAK.txt

00:44:15 mircea_popescu: doh.

00:44:21 mircea_popescu: needed to send it in raw format i forgot.

00:44:22 Jason: ok

00:44:24 Jason: that worked

00:44:45 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust Jason

00:44:46 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Jason: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Jason | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jason | Rated since: Thu Mar 28 21:44:07 2013

00:44:52 mircea_popescu: $post

00:44:53 empyex: mircea_popescu: No pastebin URL found in your message!

00:44:58 mircea_popescu: $post http://dpaste.com/2HVFGAK.txt

00:44:59 empyex: mircea_popescu: No pastebin URL found in your message!

00:45:05 Jason: so i'm still not entirely sure what i just saw happen. you sent it a pgp message, and it responded with a different pgp message.

00:45:07 thestringpuller: pastebin not dpaste :P

00:45:33 mircea_popescu: $post http://pastebin.com/JPPMVNm8

00:45:33 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) hQIMA/tsnDpeq - Pastebin.com

00:45:37 empyex: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/jnGv1suW

00:45:37 assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1 hQIMA8bZzs4WuOMuAQ//Ubt51b+eFkRkU - Pastebin.com

00:45:56 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla assbot should prolly ignore empyex

00:46:08 nubbins`: weird, mpex.ws isn't recognizing my public key

00:46:14 mircea_popescu: Jason it put it into mpex and piped back out whatever mpex responded

00:46:23 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're prolly not using the new key. see faq.

00:46:59 kakobrekla: it will now, ALSO YOU!!1

00:47:19 nubbins`: 02DD2D91? just added it

00:47:51 mircea_popescu: whay me!

00:47:56 mircea_popescu: !up Jason

00:48:04 nubbins`: haven't tried since the downtime

00:48:26 Jason: mircea_popescu: so how is this relevant to what I was going to do? i'd look for those gpg messages, and hash them?

00:48:50 mircea_popescu: Jason let me go into detail here build you a full model so you understand better.

00:49:02 BingoBoingo: ;;ident Jason

00:49:03 gribble: Nick 'Jason', with hostmask 'Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker', is identified as user 'jason', with GPG key id F86976B2BEBA2905, key fingerprint 892C1B5E9A0DEECD762799D8F86976B2BEBA2905, and bitcoin address 1FDViwA9rddFAh7tqGjhbjYbuePmztJyUW

00:49:11 Jason: BingoBoingo: you must just like my cloak

00:49:19 BingoBoingo: ;;rate Jason 1 loan of voice

00:49:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jason has been recorded.

00:49:27 mircea_popescu: so, the idea is to maintain a corpus of documents, much like deed registrars work irl. you register a document, it becomes part of a record others can review. permanently.

00:49:29 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot Jason

00:49:29 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Jason: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Jason | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jason | Rated since: Thu Mar 28 21:44:07 2013

00:49:30 mircea_popescu: with me so far ?

00:49:51 Jason: mircea_popescu: so i receive data, and i store it in a database.

00:50:09 mircea_popescu: wouldja not anticipate ? lemme say the story.

00:50:13 BingoBoingo: Jason: Of course you can also PM assbutt nao and voice yourself just send it !up

00:50:30 Jason: BingoBoingo: i already did

00:50:41 Jason: thanks though :-)

00:50:57 BingoBoingo: Eh, I'm drunk

00:51:27 mircea_popescu: so now, lettuce continue on teh premise jason is with me so far.

00:51:27 Jason: mircea_popescu: just reiterating it as i understand it. go on!

00:51:49 mircea_popescu: the introduction of new deeds in the system can happen at two points :

00:52:08 mircea_popescu: one of them is an irc bot, active here. someone goes !add pastebin/blabla

00:52:18 mircea_popescu: the other one of them is through a form on a website, at deeds.bitcoin-assets.com

00:52:31 mircea_popescu: once these are acquired, some processing is done, as follows :

00:52:55 mircea_popescu: 1. each is chcked for valid signatures from people in assbot's l2 wot. if these are absent, the thing is discarded.

00:53:16 Jason: !up RagnarDanneskjol

00:53:38 mircea_popescu: 2. all the valid deeds received in a specified interval, say 512 seconds, are appended together, hashed, and the resulting hash is inserted into a bitcoin transaction, which becomes part of the bitcoin blocchain.

00:53:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7685 @ 0.0007645 = 5.8752 BTC [-]

00:53:59 mircea_popescu: once this event happens, the irc bot reports here "5 documents signed, hash included on block #x"

00:54:10 nubbins`: fun

00:54:23 mircea_popescu: all the valid deeds received and so included are also published on said website, ordered by teh blocks.

00:54:31 mircea_popescu: this can just be a long textfile.

00:54:37 mircea_popescu: ~ fin ~

00:54:46 RagnarDanneskjol: in otherwords, the killer app

00:55:01 nubbins`: but this doesn't explain why mpex is still saying to email my public key!

00:55:06 mircea_popescu: well, just another "better governance than irl" thing

00:55:08 []bot: Bet created: "URO coin to trade below .001 BTC Dec 15th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1017/

00:55:26 mircea_popescu: nubbins` because it assumes.

00:55:29 Jason: mircea_popescu: got it. what format can i expect new deeds to be in? pgp clearsigned? pgp encrypted?

00:55:45 nubbins`: mircea_popescu but we all know what happens when we assume D;

00:55:48 BingoBoingo: Prolly both

00:55:54 mircea_popescu: they can not be encrypred, the point is publication. armored clearsigned is fine

00:56:15 Jason: ok, and how do I find the keys for its l2 WOT?

00:56:20 Jason: s/how/where/

00:56:36 nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot jason

00:56:36 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Jason!DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/naked-wanker. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jason: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jason | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jason | Rated since: Thu Mar 28 21:44:07 2013

00:56:40 mircea_popescu: assbot's l1 wot is here http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT

00:56:41 assbot: Rating Details for User 'assbot'

00:56:45 mircea_popescu: the l2 is a recursion thereof.

00:57:04 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla already has code written to do this however, you can probably just steal that.

00:57:43 Jason: yeah, was just thinking that.

00:58:56 RagnarDanneskjol: related php for bot in my room for refrence - have it in pyth somewhere too: http://pastebin.com/a0mtU346

00:58:56 assbot: TJ clearsign - Pastebin.com

00:59:18 Jason: so i check if they have l2, then i check their gpg fingerprint at http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=(nick), verify the signature, and append it to a string which is hashed every 512 seconds.

00:59:18 assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data

00:59:51 Jason: RagnarDanneskjol: see if you can find me the python. php is not my thing :-)

00:59:52 mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what room is that ?

01:00:22 RagnarDanneskjol: i will locate. room #cex-squawk

01:00:33 mircea_popescu: Jason " and append it to a string which is hashed every 512 seconds." << no, old things already included in the block you don't keep around anymore

01:00:33 RagnarDanneskjol: me and my loser friends

01:00:59 mircea_popescu: interesting.

01:01:00 Jason: mircea_popescu: aha. so when i hash it, i also reset the string.

01:01:04 mircea_popescu: yup.

01:01:12 mircea_popescu: bbs.

01:01:15 *: Jason nods

01:02:28 kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla already has code written to do this however, you can probably just steal that. < i guess you mean this part, here you go: if($level1 > 0 || $level2 > 0 )

01:02:35 nubbins`: heh

01:02:40 nubbins`: SLOW DOWN

01:06:01 asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach

01:06:36 ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: deeds registrator << why not this >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490

01:06:39 assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.

01:07:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.0145 = 0.7975 BTC [-] {2}

01:07:38 nubbins`: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxQntdMjwI

01:07:39 assbot: Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube

01:08:02 Jason: kakobrekla: lol

01:08:09 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 123 @ 0.01442889 = 1.7748 BTC [-] {6}

01:08:32 RagnarDanneskjol: i think Telegraphy gets too complicado with the blockchain parsing bit. this is a much simpler proposition

01:08:49 ascii_at_beach: imho anything worth keeping a hash of in blockchain is worth stuffing entirely in

01:09:07 RagnarDanneskjol: agreed

01:10:56 nubbins`: jonathan meese

01:11:04 BingoBoingo: Sounds like a problem for... NameCoin!

01:11:14 nubbins`: i saw this guy and his mother walking down the street last week

01:11:14 nubbins`: very surreal

01:11:38 ascii_at_beach: NameCoin << sounds like a problem for the one blockchain that's actually alive...

01:12:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.01402 = 0.8412 BTC [-] {2}

01:12:49 kakobrekla: nmc is alive in a sense that is being [merged] mined

01:13:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.01402 = 0.9814 BTC [-] {4}

01:13:16 BingoBoingo: Namecoin has some serious hashpower behind it because of merged mining, and It can tolerate forms of data Bitcoin won't

01:13:32 ascii_at_beach: 'alive' also requires, e.g., that people would notice right away if it began to rot in some way

01:13:56 kakobrekla: by that standard this planed is dead

01:14:01 kakobrekla: planet

01:14:05 kakobrekla: wtf is with the d.

01:14:18 ascii_at_beach: BingoBoingo: It can tolerate forms of data Bitcoin won't << you can stuff arbitrary octets in the blockchain. it will simply cost you.

01:14:32 BingoBoingo: True

01:14:39 ascii_at_beach: as described in my 'telegraphy' piece, or five other ways

01:15:10 kakobrekla: my dead planet concern is being ignored :(

01:15:37 ascii_at_beach: i suggest this as solution to mircea_popescu's specs… because! it is expensive. and not despite of

01:15:55 ascii_at_beach: expensive, for a registry of Important Things™ is: good

01:16:03 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: But rot is a healthy state for Fungi

01:16:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01374999 = 0.66 BTC [-] {9}

01:17:00 ascii_at_beach: imagine what contracts, laws, would read like if every word cost 10k to record

01:17:09 ascii_at_beach: or see origin of the english word 'laconic'

01:17:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01372323 = 1.1802 BTC [-] {9}

01:17:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71900 @ 0.0007591 = 54.5793 BTC [-] {2}

01:17:38 kakobrekla: something like text talk?

01:17:40 kakobrekla: lel

01:18:34 ascii_at_beach: more like the language in which orders are issued to submarines, over ultralongwave.

01:19:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01300002 = 0.65 BTC [-] {4}

01:19:24 kakobrekla: myea

01:19:29 kakobrekla: that would be on btc chain

01:19:31 kakobrekla: text talk on nmc.

01:20:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01485997 = 1.278 BTC [+] {4}

01:21:35 ascii_at_beach: CINCOMPAC FUBAR SNAFU

01:22:31 ascii_at_beach: at any rate, for a registry of Important Things, you want highest cost possible short of making it a null set

01:22:51 ascii_at_beach: or at the very least, hierarchically increasing cost with Importance

01:23:34 ascii_at_beach: so for a contract for purchase of a pig, sha2 hash thereof might be all the telegraphy expenditure it deserves

01:23:45 ascii_at_beach: for a contract selling kingdom - the whole thing

01:23:57 ascii_at_beach: for selling a planet - entire thing, with concordance and footnotes

01:24:55 ascii_at_beach: a 'bitcent' per octet, i dare say, is a perfectly good balance of things

01:26:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 71 @ 0.01485 = 1.0544 BTC [-] {5}

01:27:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 75 @ 0.01488996 = 1.1167 BTC [+] {4}

01:27:35 mircea_popescu: <ascii_at_beach> mircea_popescu: deeds registrator << why not this >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 << i somehow fail to perceive the benefits.

01:27:37 assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.

01:28:14 mircea_popescu: <ascii_at_beach> imho anything worth keeping a hash of in blockchain is worth stuffing entirely in << by the same logic, any woman that's worth fucking is worth fisting. what, srsly ?!

01:28:26 dignork: ascii_at_beach: I think it would be a network misuse, writing a law on each banknote sounds interesting though.

01:28:38 ascii_at_beach: benefit is not only that you aren't creating yet another db that can be corrupted or lost, but also specifically the expense

01:28:46 ascii_at_beach: barrier to trivial crud.

01:28:56 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> <ascii_at_beach> imho anything worth keeping a hash of in blockchain is worth stuffing entirely in << by the same logic, any woman that's worth fucking is worth fisting. what, srsly ?! << Y not?

01:29:13 mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach i'd rather divorce the barrier to entry from the avenue to power than centralise them

01:29:26 mircea_popescu: let the matters of who can speak and who can act be separated.

01:31:49 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?52967-Moses-CINCOMPAC-SWPAC-FUBAR-SNAFU&p=580042&viewfull=1#post580042

01:31:50 assbot: Moses' CINCOMPAC SWPAC FUBAR SNAFU

01:32:10 *: ascii_at_beach likes the idea of system that can be brought into being simply by passing around an index card with some simple rules, for all time

01:32:48 kakobrekla: lolk

01:32:52 ascii_at_beach: vs. yet another server that can go south - or, to save from this, be mirrored and updated synchronously in some organized way

01:33:35 mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach it's more subtle than that : the survival of every document in the set depends on the survival of all the documents in the set.

01:33:58 mircea_popescu: this is a fucking thing that archeologists and historians don't even know they miss it'd be so great if they had.

01:34:10 ascii_at_beach: blockchain by its very definition ?

01:34:27 mircea_popescu: one of those things people don't realise they can even dream of, like getting home to a party of naked disney princesses ready to suvck you off

01:34:35 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 91 @ 0.01488998 = 1.355 BTC [+]

01:34:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30693 @ 0.000745 = 22.8663 BTC [-] {2}

01:34:47 mircea_popescu: well, yes. the thing about bitcoin is that while it speaks clearly, teh various experts have no idea what it says.

01:34:50 mircea_popescu: gotta put it on display.

01:35:23 mircea_popescu: think how the history of the world would have looked if the arab invaders of alexandria thought "you knw what ? if we burn the libary tha will make the coran unreadable"

01:35:34 ascii_at_beach: lol

01:35:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 115 @ 0.0131 = 1.5065 BTC [-]

01:36:11 *: ascii_at_beach still favours the recipe of 'bitcoind 0.6 + no more than ten lines of perl' for complete scheme

01:36:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 195 @ 0.0131923 = 2.5725 BTC [+] {3}

01:36:44 asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach

01:36:57 *: ascii_at_beach does not like the idea of a 'library of alexandria' that has a burnable component

01:37:21 mircea_popescu: you gotta leave some room for humanity on your sheep.

01:38:04 ascii_at_beach: ??

01:38:34 mircea_popescu: the library that can burn and doesn't burn is a better design than the library which can not burn

01:38:46 mircea_popescu: much in the same way cunts are better designs than angels.

01:39:33 BingoBoingo: Libraries must be capable of burning

01:39:44 ascii_at_beach: well it can still burn, if sufficiently apocalyptic war where the blockchain is nuked and 'damnatio memoriae'

01:39:50 BingoBoingo: Or your collection really sucks

01:40:09 mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach so then you don't have an argument ?

01:40:38 ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: argument is that said destruction is considerably higher bar than an accidental death of a hard disk somewhere

01:40:55 BingoBoingo: <ascii_at_beach> well it can still burn, if sufficiently apocalyptic war where the blockchain is nuked and 'damnatio memoriae' << Who here isn't a big enough "Fallout" fan they don't plan to have a scale valut replica at BTC pricepoint X

01:41:20 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know what happened to valut people in the intro to fallout 2 ya ?

01:41:43 mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach i don't think it's that low tbh.

01:41:46 ascii_at_beach: likewise 'index card plus btcd' is a more compact, and therefore intimately -understandable- system than a software package in the usual sense

01:42:05 ascii_at_beach: it's like rsa. you can communicate it to an educated person in five minutes.

01:42:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right, Which is why you don't laze about in the Vault, but become the Van Graffs

01:42:47 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo a vault is implicit laziness.

01:43:39 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Until the Water Chip breaks

01:45:29 BingoBoingo: Or you find yourself in the Brotherhood of steel cult bunker

01:47:24 ascii_at_beach: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/08/obama-risks-american-lives-to-save.html << mega-lulz

01:47:25 assbot: ClubOrlov: Obama risks American lives to save the devil worshipers

01:47:57 mircea_popescu: http://crookedtimber.org/2014/08/08/reagan-and-the-great-man-in-history/ << check out the comments. buncha libtards harping about how... the us has moved to the right since the 70s.

01:47:57 assbot: Reagan and the Great Man in history — Crooked Timber

01:48:00 mircea_popescu: most fun i've had in weeks.

01:50:22 BingoBoingo: Yezedis are no more devil worshippers than the Haitians. If they worshipped the right devil as I do ISIS wouldn't be such a threat to them.

01:51:31 ascii_at_beach: choice of 'devil is in the details'

01:52:18 BingoBoingo: Evil always finds a way, so one must adopt the most effective evil.

01:52:56 BingoBoingo: Analytic English is such an evil

01:53:31 asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach

01:53:44 BingoBoingo: Semicolons are an evil tool of that larger evil

02:00:00 BingoBoingo: People who live without a devil http://the-toast.net/2014/01/29/everyone-imposter-syndrome-except/

02:00:01 assbot: Everyone Has Imposter Syndrome But You

02:04:39 BingoBoingo: Also North St Louis County seriously might Go Gaza this week http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/08/10/michael_brown_unarmed_black_teenager_shot_in_ferguson_a_st_louis_suburb.html

02:04:39 assbot: Michael Brown: Unarmed black teenager shot in Ferguson, a St. Louis suburb.

02:06:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2681 @ 0.00172001 = 4.6113 BTC [-] {4}

02:11:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00172 = 1.72 BTC [+]

02:13:13 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 257 @ 0.0148595 = 3.8189 BTC [+] {6}

02:13:53 nubbins`: from ferguson to greece, fuck the police

02:14:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 85 @ 0.01489996 = 1.2665 BTC [+]

02:14:47 mircea_popescu: lol

02:15:51 mircea_popescu: yeah dude, that's the problem with usians, that they don't internalize their accomplishments

02:15:57 mircea_popescu: they really ARE ceos and whatnot, all of em.

02:16:01 mircea_popescu: they just don't realise it

02:16:05 mircea_popescu: o.O

02:16:06 nubbins`: heh.

02:16:22 nubbins`: i always thought it was just smart people who suffered from this syndrome

02:16:40 nubbins`: idiots don't think they're frauds

02:17:57 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo re the other item : actually disarming the us police may be a good idea.

02:18:27 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh, I'm thinking the two pieces are connected

02:18:56 BingoBoingo: !up peterl

02:19:14 nubbins`: why does western media keep talking about how hamas "siezed power" or "took over" gaza in 2006?

02:19:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 83 @ 0.01490085 = 1.2368 BTC [+] {4}

02:19:44 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Because they are afraid to say Obama did they same thing when he won an election too

02:20:02 ascii_at_beach: 'good news' - the u.s. police will be disarmed; 'bad news' - by u.s. brownshirt corps.

02:20:32 BingoBoingo: The problem with Pidgins is when you leave them all you have is nonsense a la US - Levant news

02:21:07 nubbins`: it's a bit saucy to say anyone "siezed control" after being voted into power in an internationally-monitored election

02:21:22 mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's an armed insurgency

02:21:29 mircea_popescu: those can never be legitimately anything.

02:21:48 BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> it's a bit saucy to say anyone "siezed control" after being voted into power in an internationally-monitored election << Shhh don't let Obama read the lawgs his election wasn't internationally monitored

02:21:58 mircea_popescu: if the ira ever got elected to be kings of ireland, it'd still have been "ira seized power in ireland"

02:22:14 nubbins`: that's redefining the word seized

02:22:52 nubbins`: if i mail you a t-shirt, you haven't seized my clothing

02:23:26 mircea_popescu: no, but if i come with a tank into your house, i seized the wife

02:23:29 BingoBoingo: Still North St Louis county is going to have less shooting deaths this weekend than Chiraq

02:23:32 mircea_popescu: whether she throws herself at me or not.

02:23:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know i can't see that and not think chirac

02:24:17 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I know.

02:24:48 BingoBoingo: !Up ascii_at_beach

02:24:48 nubbins`: jock chirock

02:24:50 asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach

02:25:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And we come to yet another problem of Pidgins, every word seems to look like people's names

02:26:29 mircea_popescu: lol

02:26:29 mircea_popescu: maybe it's hw names are made.

02:26:29 nubbins`: suppose two people with tanks show up and 44% of my wife decide to go with you but 41% of my wife decide to go with the other tank, while the remaining 15% goes with various other individuals carrying small arms

02:26:29 nubbins`: didja still seize her?

02:26:29 BingoBoingo: Incel Brazlovik probably lead a pogrom back in the day

02:26:34 nubbins`: analogies: sometimes they don't stretch ;(

02:26:46 BingoBoingo: !up TheNewDeal

02:26:57 nubbins`: oh and the other tank had kittens or something

02:27:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 295 @ 0.00432507 = 1.2759 BTC [+] {6}

02:28:05 mircea_popescu: nubbins` ahahha

02:28:09 mircea_popescu: yes. we all did.

02:28:30 nubbins`: wait, shit, sorry

02:28:33 mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> analogies: sometimes they don't stretch ;( << and sometimes, they stretch the wife.

02:28:39 nubbins`: she was in the kitten tank first

02:28:48 nubbins`: then said "hey mp's tank seems ok"

02:28:57 mircea_popescu: totally seized.

02:29:01 *: nubbins` boggles

02:29:10 *: mircea_popescu waits for nubbins` seizures.

02:29:53 *: BingoBoingo pretty sure those boggles were a grand mal

02:30:08 TheNewDeal: reauth me in a sec

02:30:20 nubbins`: ;;google sometimes i don't understand the world i live in or what goes on in it

02:30:21 gribble: Oscar Wilde Quotes (Author of The Picture of Dorian Gray): https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/3565.Oscar_Wilde; Why would someone have no friends? : The Friendship Blog: http://www.thefriendshipblog.com/why-would-someone-have-no-friends/; Kendrick Lamar - Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe Lyrics | MetroLyrics: http://www.metrolyrics.com/bitch-dont-kill-my-vibe-lyrics-kendrick- (1 more message)

02:30:36 nubbins`: not a bad spread of results

02:31:30 nubbins`: “Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation.”

02:31:48 mircea_popescu: albert newton ?

02:32:13 nubbins`: wilde

02:33:14 TheNewDeal: wilde has some of the best quotes

02:33:53 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Wilde was wrong http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/05/the-idiocrats/

02:33:54 assbot: The Idiocrats | Bingo Blog

02:34:53 BingoBoingo: To sodomize Wittgenstein If a lion could speak would you understand it, how then could idiots understand each other

02:37:07 nubbins`: lion bares fangs, you know enough to fuck off

02:37:20 nubbins`: this is roughly how idiots communicate, in a rudimentary fashion

02:37:52 nubbins`: no precision or nuance, sure, but what use would the idiot have for such things?

02:38:16 nubbins`: nuance isn't a prerequisite for buying a case of beer

02:39:13 nubbins`: clarity is not required to smoke a cigarette and shout at one's family

02:40:19 kakobrekla: hm, that cold dildo storage guy intents to 'crowdfund' and patent it.

02:40:26 nubbins`: actually, that second link from above is a real drag

02:40:27 nubbins`: http://www.thefriendshipblog.com/why-would-someone-have-no-friends/

02:40:29 assbot: Why would someone have no friends? : The Friendship Blog

02:40:42 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Did dildo guy update recently?

02:41:10 kakobrekla: end of july

02:41:37 BingoBoingo: AH

02:41:42 kyuupichan: Who goes in and out of mining Altcoin causing such difficulty volatility?

02:41:54 mircea_popescu: no idea.

02:42:00 BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: People with ASICs too shitty for BTC mining

02:42:02 mircea_popescu: maybe some dood who figures he will thus therefore "destroy it" ?

02:42:18 kyuupichan: Ah, I thought it was someone on here

02:42:30 kakobrekla: chain hopping

02:43:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01495667 = 1.2863 BTC [+] {4}

02:44:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 929 @ 0.00180269 = 1.6747 BTC [+] {3}

02:44:50 nubbins`: markov chain hopping

02:49:30 mircea_popescu: someone needs to explain all this anticolonialist derpage to me sometime.

02:49:50 mircea_popescu: seems that in no historical case has colonisation been a net negaitive for the colonised, starting with caesar's germania

02:50:06 mircea_popescu: seems that in no case has de-colonisation been successful at even matching the colonial performance.

02:50:09 mircea_popescu: what is this bs ?

02:50:16 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe I'll blog it once I get done with blogging the NFL problem which will tie into it

02:50:23 mircea_popescu: aite

02:51:10 peterl: does US count as de-colonised after independence?

02:51:40 BingoBoingo: At http://fraudsters.com/2014/come-see-me-clutching-at-straws/ there were Ideas I'd held and not fleshed out in writing which need elaboration so you can gut me with you talons in intellectual discourse and order can be restored

02:51:41 assbot: Come see me clutching at straws pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

02:52:04 mircea_popescu: peterl the south was definitely colonised in the mid 1800s

02:52:28 nubbins`: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-28701619

02:52:29 assbot: BBC News - Chatroom rape fantasies woman jailed for six years

02:52:47 mircea_popescu: but otherwise, no, i wouldn't say the defeat of the british was any sort of decolonisation.

02:52:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 697 @ 0.00185485 = 1.2928 BTC [+]

02:52:58 mircea_popescu: by the very definition that is a metropolis-led process.

02:53:29 nubbins`: how about iraq? XD

02:53:32 kyuupichan: Someone's added a boatload of btc hash power in the last week it seems

02:53:55 mircea_popescu: roughly speaking, "with the nonsensical approach that all people are equal we're discovering that the expense of maintaining a colonial empire exceeds the benefits and so we will pretend that we're leaving out of respect for the locals"

02:54:21 mircea_popescu: meanwhile the locals collapse back to their pre-civilisation bullshit, with more or less pronounced cargo cults.

02:55:01 BingoBoingo: !up ascii_at_beach

02:56:04 BingoBoingo: peterl> does US count as de-colonised after independence? << British recolonized the US in 1941 and every James bond film release

02:56:40 BingoBoingo: <kyuupichan> Someone's added a boatload of btc hash power in the last week it seems We better get some long blocks

02:56:44 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

02:56:46 gribble: Current Blocks: 314995 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1516 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 14 hours, 35 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23632286082.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.78059

02:56:53 BingoBoingo: Fuckers

02:57:21 kakobrekla: no more 10k btc ipos, no more 20% increases . o wait

02:57:31 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KGKBRA.txt )

02:57:31 BingoBoingo: !b 5

02:57:50 BingoBoingo: Anyone who missed the gmaxwell drama yesterday:

02:57:52 BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> Can you please make your negative rating say US Government? The current message you've used is very unclear in its meaning.

02:57:53 BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> I'd rather not

02:57:53 BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> I will be forced to negative rate you just to note that fact if you do not.

02:57:53 BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> Updated

02:57:54 BingoBoingo: <gmaxwell> Thanks.

02:58:04 BingoBoingo: ;;rated gmaxwell

02:58:04 gribble: You rated user gmaxwell on Sat Aug 9 17:15:40 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Likely UnSavoryGarnish, Plant of either US government or Aubergine variety.

02:58:06 TheNewDeal: I'm pissed at the hash increase as well bb

02:58:29 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm mostly pissed it cam right after the last diff change

02:59:04 BingoBoingo: Like Imms find Bitfury and give them a Buttfury

02:59:55 TheNewDeal: i just bet no on the 21b last change, looks like its not gonna pay out

02:59:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00179001 = 0.895 BTC [-]

03:00:44 kakobrekla: checked ether, just under 26k

03:01:09 asciilifeform: !up ascii_at_beach

03:01:20 ascii_at_beach: i still think ether's a laundry.

03:02:07 ascii_at_beach: either this, or chumps are 'renewable resource' to the extent that we should literally stoke furnaces with them

03:03:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17264 @ 0.00074729 = 12.9012 BTC [+]

03:03:06 BingoBoingo: ascii_at_beach: I'm leaning towards getting some large stainless steel pots

03:03:21 mircea_popescu: "sentiment of bitcoiners seems quite negative against ethereum. people fear what they don't understand, I guess. Or maybe it's envy these guys are being swamped with coins. btw: not saying ETH is a good investment, I have strong doubts. Ethereum being successful does not necessaril imply ETH will be valuable.

03:03:21 mircea_popescu: also: I'm not endorsing ethereum, I just think it's highly interesting, mainly from a technical perspective and for the implications it might have (which I can't yet fully imagine). Unsure who's really behind it, either, and what the larger plan is there..."

03:03:49 mircea_popescu: typical forum idiocy, but the guy sprouting it has been "involved" with bitcoin since 2011ish.

03:03:58 thestringpuller: oh shit ascii_at_beach goes on vacations!?!?!?

03:04:00 thestringpuller: good for you

03:04:18 ascii_at_beach: thestringpuller: 2 or 3x a decade...

03:04:25 mircea_popescu: if someone can make sense of that crap or reduce it to some sort of coherent position i'd be more than happy to ehar.

03:04:48 kyuupichan: And we're 1 block shy of half way to the next reward halving....

03:05:04 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.015105 = 0.6797 BTC [+] {3}

03:05:07 TheNewDeal: that deserves a party or something

03:05:25 thestringpuller: kyuupichan: funny how time flies no?

03:05:46 mircea_popescu: 1250000000 satoshi huh.

03:06:01 kyuupichan: Yeah. We've gained 3.5 months over those 105k blocks. I doubt we'll gain more than 2 weeks over the next 105k.

03:06:17 ascii_at_beach: mircea_popescu: here's one possible reduction, somewhat coloured by my 'vacation reading' pile. in machining, there is some upper bound to idiocy because man comes with a mere ten fingers. here, on the other hand - no limit.

03:06:21 BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Write up the BitBet

03:06:22 mircea_popescu: diff can still grow.

03:06:34 kyuupichan: BingoBoingo: Would do, but max bet is 1 yr!

03:06:35 mircea_popescu: ascii_at_beach keyboard still has a fixed number of keys :D

03:07:07 BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Where are the hormone producing components of your genitals, go bold!

03:07:28 BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Also what was that bs with confirming with the onename,io bullshit

03:07:43 kyuupichan: Diff will still grow, but it'll reduce too, and the reductions hurt more than the growths help. Once diff stabilizes BTC will actually have a cycle of less than 2 weeks, perhaps 2 weeks and 4/5 hours on average, owing to volatility and convexity working against it.

03:08:21 thestringpuller: that's always been the case sense the first ASICs started coming online

03:08:26 thestringpuller: since*

03:08:27 thestringpuller: WOW

03:08:37 BingoBoingo: <ascii_at_beach> mircea_popescu: here's one possible reduction, somewhat coloured by my 'vacation reading' pile. in machining, there is some upper bound to idiocy because man comes with a mere ten fingers. here, on the other hand - no limit << ascii_at_beach any guesses on how many "complete" fingers grandpa has?

03:08:37 thestringpuller: and I have work tomorrow ~_~

03:09:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.01683076 = 0.6564 BTC [+] {9}

03:09:51 kyuupichan: It's out, KnCMiner mined it apparently

03:10:55 BingoBoingo: Seriously what does onename.io work with other tha grossly insufficient entropy wallet

03:11:57 kyuupichan: rushwallet?

03:12:25 BingoBoingo: Yes

03:12:43 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 6

03:12:52 kyuupichan: Surprised after the mybitcoin fiasco people are still doing URL wallets

03:13:05 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Debian!!!

03:13:25 kyuupichan: Lots lost their URLs IIRC; bound to continue.

03:14:19 BingoBoingo: kyuupichan: Glen Gabow Instawallet

03:14:26 kyuupichan: That was it

03:16:30 kyuupichan: Lol wondered where the URO bet went

03:16:35 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan> Surprised after the mybitcoin fiasco people are still doing URL wallets <<< this.

03:16:55 mircea_popescu: "surprised that after the guillotine fiasco, people are still sticking their penis in random bathroom stall holes"

03:17:02 BingoBoingo: !mpif

03:17:03 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]

03:17:48 nubbins`: okay, so a cop car has been parked next door with the engine idling for TWENTY HOURS now

03:17:49 nubbins`: no joke

03:18:23 kyuupichan: WTF happened to the URO coin bet?

03:18:35 BingoBoingo: nubbins`: MI6 is going to do you like moiety!!!

03:18:59 nubbins`: i asked the cop wtf he was doing at the 6-hour mark

03:20:37 BingoBoingo: %t

03:20:38 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 188 Ask: 250 Last Price: 188 24h-Vol: 100k High: 188 Low: 188 VWAP: 187

03:26:38 BingoBoingo: !s I know you both aren't idiots

03:26:39 assbot: 0 results for 'I know you both aren't idiots' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=I+know+you+both+aren%27t+idiots

03:26:52 BingoBoingo: !s both not idiots

03:26:52 assbot: 1 results for 'both not idiots' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=both+not+idiots

03:29:09 BingoBoingo: !up AndChat|679296 Answer for your ipv6 sins

03:29:52 AndChat|679296: Ha, just lazy

03:30:03 BingoBoingo: K

03:30:12 AndChat|679296: Is my mobile network

03:30:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00074729 = 23.3154 BTC [+]

03:30:53 BingoBoingo: Oh.... :(

03:33:58 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

03:33:59 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 589.12, Best ask: 590.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 590.99, 24 hour volume: 3302.33840352, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 0

03:42:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00074748 = 0.7475 BTC [+]

03:46:17 TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu I'm going to let the .org/.net domains expire. is it ok if I leave contact information as is?

03:46:39 mircea_popescu: makes no diff to me.

03:47:17 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Which domains?

03:48:47 Jason: mircea_popescu: hey hey - going to start looking in to your proj

03:49:43 Jason: mircea_popescu: had a q?: you said a new deed in the system can enter on a form @ deeds.bitcoin-assets.com.

03:49:47 Jason: mircea_popescu: who is going to create the form?

03:49:58 TheNewDeal: bitcoin-financials

03:50:00 RagnarsDog: Anyone

03:50:20 mircea_popescu: Jason you, i imagine.

03:50:24 RagnarsDog: Maybe your mom

03:50:33 TheNewDeal: urmom is how she spells it

03:50:36 mircea_popescu: what's to create tho, it's just three lines of html

03:50:43 BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Seems boring

03:50:46 Jason: mircea_popescu: but deeds.bcassets.com already exists. ... ah

03:51:03 Jason: mircea_popescu: yeah, there's no big deal with the form really. just wanted to know if you already had something in place since deeds. existed

03:51:11 mircea_popescu: it does?!

03:51:15 TheNewDeal: hey, bitcoin-financial ended in a bitcoin heist. Who knows what can happen with bitcoin-financials!!

03:51:17 mircea_popescu: no it doesn't.

03:51:36 Jason: mircea_popescu: oh, looks like you just have a catchall

03:51:44 Jason: mircea_popescu: http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/ goes to @'s blog

03:51:44 assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.

03:51:48 mircea_popescu: kako maintains that site. but yeah seems a * recvord

03:51:54 Jason: yea

03:52:06 Jason: i totally suck at ui - is a barebones form ok?

03:52:20 TheNewDeal: b-a is famous for barebones

03:52:28 Jason: good to hear

03:52:29 Jason: haha

03:52:33 TheNewDeal: as long as it works flawlessly

03:52:58 Jason: 00:54:22 <+mircea_popescu> all the valid deeds received and so included are also published on said website, ordered by teh blocks.

03:53:06 mircea_popescu: Jason plain is a bitcoin tradition.

03:53:18 Jason: "ordered by the blocks" - in what order? old to newest?

03:53:33 Jason: just trying to make sure i have everything in order

03:53:46 mircea_popescu: newest at top, blogstyle

03:54:03 *: Jason nod

03:54:08 mircea_popescu: in fact.... it could as well be a wp install

03:54:17 mircea_popescu: seeing how if you do that you get a mysql free into the mix

03:54:22 mircea_popescu: you can just directly dump data there.

03:54:23 BingoBoingo: Jason: Anything more styled than http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ is a failure

03:54:25 assbot: Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo

03:54:49 Jason: mircea_popescu: ugh wp is a pain. i was just going to either use a flatfile db or sqlite

03:54:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1300 @ 0.0017933 = 2.3313 BTC [-] {2}

03:54:59 mircea_popescu: don't mind me, use whatever you like.

03:55:07 Jason: yeah

03:55:09 Jason: it'll work (tm)

03:56:12 mircea_popescu: what approach do you favour here, more like a. writing a supybot module for assbot and ready code to be run on the current server or more like b. running your own server with your own supybot etc ?

03:56:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 400 @ 0.00176277 = 0.7051 BTC [-] {4}

03:57:13 Jason: i'd obv have my own supybot for testing and development - i see no real reason as to run my own bot in production though

03:57:13 kakobrekla: assbot is not supybot

03:57:17 Jason: oh

03:57:21 Jason: what is it?

03:57:33 kakobrekla: kakosherpnderpnbot

03:57:49 mircea_popescu: o it isn't ?

03:57:54 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so is it extensible ?

03:57:59 kakobrekla: gribble is supy

03:58:08 mircea_popescu: i just ass-umed you used supy too

03:58:22 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0109BYV.txt )

03:58:22 BingoBoingo: !b 5

03:58:34 kakobrekla: what does the extension have to do

03:58:46 kakobrekla: if its just some http post or smth i can add it

03:58:51 mircea_popescu: take pastebin signed message and derp it around.

03:59:00 RagnarsDog: Is assbot source somewhere he can see it?

03:59:13 kakobrekla: if you drill my skull

03:59:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789489 < kakobrekla

03:59:13 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

03:59:58 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know if that thing's not on github and you start doing speedballs or busgee jumping or w/e

04:00:00 kakobrekla: you make the form on the post ill make assbot post to the form

04:00:04 mircea_popescu: ima be stuck here having it all reimplemented ?

04:00:06 Jason: kakobrekla: sure

04:00:09 Jason: kakobrekla: easy enough

04:00:52 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla you know if that thing's not on github and you start doing speedballs or busgee jumping or w/e << What will lampelina allow?

04:00:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00074748 = 5.4566 BTC [+]

04:00:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.01479022 = 0.5029 BTC [-] {2}

04:01:07 kakobrekla: like she has a say re speedballs.

04:01:16 mircea_popescu: his balls are speedy regardless :D

04:01:22 kakobrekla: :)

04:01:29 assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3XHYG64.txt )

04:01:29 BingoBoingo: !b 3

04:01:35 Jason: mircea_popescu: how can I check if someone's in assbot's l2 wot? it doesn't look like b-otc.com has a method of doing this, and keeping/syncing a local db is silly

04:01:36 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe she finds him in bed with like two goats and a snail gets angry and buries an axe into his skull

04:01:53 mircea_popescu: Jason that's actually a good q. kakobrekla how does assbot do it ?

04:02:11 mircea_popescu: Jason one direct way would be to take the sig in question and check if there's an assbot rating on it.

04:02:20 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How do you know that would trigger jealousy and not arousal?

04:02:21 kakobrekla: i do it by asking gribble

04:02:51 mircea_popescu: how do you ask by gpg key ?

04:03:03 mircea_popescu: ;;ident EE6880F512F5590F

04:03:03 gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.

04:03:12 Jason: no

04:03:13 kakobrekla: dunno if you can even

04:03:14 Jason: ;;list gpg

04:03:14 gribble: auth, bcauth, bcregister, bcverify, changeaddress, changekey, eauth, echangekey, eregister, everify, ident, info, register, stats, unauth, and verify

04:03:20 Jason: ;;gpg info EE6880F512F5590F

04:03:20 gribble: No such user registered.

04:03:20 mircea_popescu: holy shit.

04:03:23 mircea_popescu: ;;info EE6880F512F5590F

04:03:23 gribble: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".

04:03:43 Jason: hm

04:03:46 mircea_popescu: ;;stats

04:03:46 gribble: I have 25 registered users with 34 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.

04:03:47 Jason: i don't think you can even do that

04:03:51 mircea_popescu: nuts.

04:04:13 mircea_popescu: nanotube hey listen, is there some way for gribble or http://bitcoin-otc.com to be queried by gpg signature rather than nick ?

04:04:13 assbot: #bitcoin-otc

04:05:12 kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot kakobrekla

04:05:13 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 17 via 17 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011

04:05:15 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i suppose if worst comes to worst assbot can offer this as a function ? seeing how it already knows anyway ?

04:05:30 mircea_popescu: ;;isl2 EE6880F512F5590F

04:05:30 gribble: Error: "isl2" is not a valid command.

04:06:05 kakobrekla: i guess so

04:06:09 Jason: ;;list

04:06:09 gribble: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, BadWords, BitcoinData, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, (1 more message)

04:06:23 Jason: ;;more

04:06:23 gribble: Utilities, and Web

04:06:28 Jason: ;;list RatingSystem

04:06:30 gribble: deleteuser, getrating, gettrust, rate, rated, and unrate

04:06:35 Jason: no idea

04:06:44 kakobrekla: too bad you cant parse http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com

04:06:44 assbot: Index of /

04:10:21 Jason: yea

04:10:26 Jason: i'm just going to need to use the db

04:10:28 Jason: w/e

04:10:58 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ya srsly.

04:11:49 thestringpuller: Is there a raw db for WoT?

04:11:50 mircea_popescu: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/wot.svg << ths is pretty good

04:11:52 assbot: wot

04:11:59 Jason: 04:11:48 <+thestringpuller> Is there a raw db for WoT?

04:11:59 Jason: yes

04:12:00 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yah

04:12:04 Jason: thestringpuller: i'm going to be using the db

04:12:08 Jason: that's how i'm going to do it

04:12:33 thestringpuller: where is the db?

04:12:35 thestringpuller: or access to it

04:12:46 Jason: http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/

04:12:46 assbot: Index of /bitcoinmirror/otc/today

04:12:50 thestringpuller: I'm trying to make a visualizer for the WoT for fun to get my d3 skills better

04:12:54 thestringpuller: Fuck yea

04:12:54 thestringpuller: thanks Jason

04:13:17 Jason: <3

04:13:28 mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's a great idea.

04:13:33 Jason: yah

04:13:50 mircea_popescu: !s from:nanotube download

04:13:50 assbot: 0 results for 'from:nanotube download' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Ananotube+download

04:14:11 thestringpuller: I pinged nanotube awhile ago in otc but I guess I should have asked here first for the db

04:14:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7079 @ 0.00075038 = 5.3119 BTC [+]

04:14:22 thestringpuller: !up RagnarsBitch

04:14:34 thestringpuller: lol

04:15:18 mircea_popescu: Jason : http://bitcoin-otc.com/otc/ straight from horse's mouth

04:15:19 assbot: Index of /otc

04:16:05 thestringpuller: hmm anyway to import db into postgres?

04:17:38 mircea_popescu: psql databasename < data_base_dump ?

04:18:25 thestringpuller: i thought .db's were in berkeleydb format

04:18:30 thestringpuller: (liket eh blockchain)

04:18:51 thestringpuller: i guess you can open in sqlite and do a sql dump

04:20:11 mircea_popescu: anyway, good wot visualisation tools, especially assbot centric, are a good thing.

04:25:40 thestringpuller: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/13/us/politics/2013-budget-proposal-graphic.html << d3 is pretty cool in what it can do

04:25:43 assbot: Four Ways to Slice Obamas 2013 Budget Proposal - Interactive Feature - NYTimes.com

04:33:55 peterl: which is better, DSA or RSA key?

04:34:36 Jason: well

04:34:41 Jason: lol

04:34:58 Jason: peterl: https://superuser.com/questions/13164/what-is-better-for-gpg-keys-rsa-or-dsa

04:34:58 assbot: security - What is better for GPG keys - RSA or DSA? - Super User

04:35:27 Jason: peterl: tl;dr: i'd pick rsa. dsa has some hash weaknesses.

04:35:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7118 @ 0.00074673 = 5.3152 BTC [-] {2}

04:35:38 peterl: ok, thanks

04:39:22 []bot: Bet created: "Winklevoss BTC ETF will trade on Nasdaq this year" http://bitbet.us/bet/1018/

04:41:24 TheNewDeal: ok thats kinda misleading

04:41:38 TheNewDeal: an official announcement of launch date will be sufficient for closure

04:41:52 TheNewDeal: that's not really trading

04:47:09 mircea_popescu: thanks for pointing out.

05:39:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00074521 = 36.0682 BTC [-] {2}

06:04:34 thestringpuller: everyone on like eastern time now? Where are the austrailians and azns?

06:28:56 pete_dushenski: http://contravex.com/2014/08/10/know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself/

06:28:57 assbot: Know The Enemy And Know Yourself | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

06:29:08 pete_dushenski: because penguirker is asleep at the wheel

06:30:24 pete_dushenski: ;;nethash

06:30:24 gribble: 172116220.504

06:30:43 mircea_popescu: lol why are you in such a hurry. it takes like an hour

06:32:59 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey aren't nonpareils those little candy things on cakes ?

06:32:59 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:34:20 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's been 6

06:34:35 mircea_popescu: wow srsly ?

06:34:39 pete_dushenski: ever since i moved to the new website, it's been taking fo eva

06:34:50 pete_dushenski: ya, last one was like 12

06:35:06 mircea_popescu: http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/

06:35:06 assbot: Assets Assimilated

06:35:10 mircea_popescu: ya it still sees your old one

06:35:12 mircea_popescu: is your rss borkt ?

06:36:46 pete_dushenski: hm possibly

06:40:32 cazalla: thestringpuller, not sure there are any other aussies besides Vexual and myself

06:41:33 cazalla: !s australian

06:41:33 assbot: 75 results for 'australian' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=australian

06:42:26 cazalla: i guess there is Graet as well but he defaults on loans so.

06:42:53 mircea_popescu: he does ?

06:42:53 pete_dushenski: i thought most of the ozzies preyed on coindeskers and redditards

06:44:06 cazalla: according to this thread, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218324.0 he doesn't even bother replying to them these days

06:44:07 assbot: [BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily

06:44:40 mircea_popescu: teh suck

06:47:30 mircea_popescu: ;;rated graet

06:47:31 gribble: You have not yet rated user graet

06:49:03 mircea_popescu: so basically what happened, ukto dragged him into teh swamp or what

06:49:42 thestringpuller: i guess Graet and Ukyo default on loans

06:49:47 thestringpuller: they still in chennel though

06:50:03 thestringpuller: ^- cazalla

06:50:34 fluffypony: in Chanel?

06:50:35 fluffypony: :-P

06:50:47 thestringpuller: chanel no.3 ?

06:50:56 fluffypony: well Graet is around, idle 2 minutes 48 seconds

06:51:04 fluffypony: Ukyo is idle 13 hours 10 minutes

06:51:11 thestringpuller: !search Graet

06:51:11 assbot: 184 results for 'Graet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Graet

06:51:13 pete_dushenski: hey fluffypony !

06:51:17 thestringpuller: !search from:Graet

06:51:18 assbot: 126 results for 'from:Graet' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3AGraet

06:51:21 fluffypony: maybe they've reached the IDGAF stage

06:51:23 fluffypony: pete_dushenski:)

06:51:25 cazalla: thestringpuller, bitfunder + price rise fucked him i guess

06:51:33 pete_dushenski: fluffypony still waiting on that latvia post… eh?

06:51:45 thestringpuller: last date in channel is sept 2013

06:51:50 thestringpuller: or last words spoken

06:51:53 fluffypony: pete_dushenski: I'm on it

06:52:03 fluffypony: it's my number 4 priority

06:52:14 pete_dushenski: fluffypony: that's not bad ;)

06:52:17 thestringpuller: fluffypony 's #1 priority is being fluffy

06:52:21 fluffypony: exactly, thestringpuller

06:52:50 mircea_popescu: cazalla used to run a decent pool maybe a year or so ago. anything come of that ?

06:53:04 pete_dushenski: fluffypony: so since that's never happening, our collective hopes and dreams now dashed, were you still planning to be back in europe in a few weeks?

06:53:16 thestringpuller: i think slush is the only mining pool that is still legit from "back in the day"

06:53:34 cazalla: mircea_popescu, i used it for a while until payouts slowed down and then were being claimed as paid out yet were not even unconfirmed

06:53:51 fluffypony: pete_dushenski: my wife's had to go back a few days ago, her grandfather is in hospital and it looks like it's "last legs" stage, so depends on what happens there

06:54:20 thestringpuller: damn fluffypony I'm sorry to hear that :(

06:54:20 mircea_popescu: ;;rate graet -1 old timer and historically reasonable, but there's ~1k in unserviced debts and some nasty allegations re weexchange floating around.

06:54:21 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user graet has been recorded.

06:54:31 thestringpuller: always rough man

06:54:46 thestringpuller: ;;gettrust slush

06:54:47 gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user slush: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=slush | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=slush | Rated since: Thu Nov 11 10:34:28 2010

06:55:08 fluffypony: yeah it's a tough one, but he is also getting on, so it's time I suppose

06:55:08 thestringpuller: ;;rate slush 1 used to mine with him in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT.

06:55:10 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user slush has been recorded.

06:55:33 thestringpuller: ;;rate slush 1 used to mine in his pool in 2011, still running, never knew he was in WoT, seems legit.

06:55:34 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user slush has changed from 1 to 1.

06:55:59 thestringpuller: "it's time" yea. :'(

06:56:11 thestringpuller: always in good spirits mr. fluffypony

06:56:22 penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/08/10/know-the-enemy-and-know-yourself/

06:56:24 fluffypony: lol

06:56:24 mircea_popescu: ;;rated slush

06:56:25 gribble: You have not yet rated user slush

06:56:28 fluffypony: I'm just pragmatic :-P

06:56:33 mircea_popescu: no way i haven't ?!

06:56:39 thestringpuller: ;)

06:56:53 mircea_popescu: i rated him back in 2012, when the linode hack made bitcoinica go belly up and he was also affected

06:56:57 mircea_popescu: but he covered out of pocket.

06:56:58 mircea_popescu: wtf is this.

06:57:30 pete_dushenski: thanks penguirker !

06:57:50 pete_dushenski: deleted spaces in functions.php and voila!

06:58:44 pete_dushenski: well fluffypony should you be in the baltic area towards the end of the month, you'll know who to call for lunch :)

06:58:56 fluffypony: !up RagnarDanneskjol

06:59:07 fluffypony: pete_dushenski: deal

06:59:22 RagnarDanneskjol: re: know thy enemy; interesting read here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2456618

06:59:24 assbot: Autonomous Scientifically Controlled Screening Systems for Detecting Information Purposely Concealed by Individuals by Nathan Twyman, Paul Benjamin Lowry, Judee K. Burgoon, Jay F. Nunamaker :: SSRN

07:00:57 pete_dushenski: sounds exactly like asciilifeform's rectothermal analysis

07:01:10 RagnarDanneskjol: oohh whats that

07:01:11 pete_dushenski: or is it rectalthermal?

07:01:29 thestringpuller: how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ?

07:02:31 pete_dushenski: RagnarDanneskjol afaik, an idea wherein the big bad man shakes you down for your private keys no matter where you store them

07:02:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.000745 = 22.5363 BTC [-]

07:03:40 RagnarDanneskjol: awesome

07:04:50 RagnarDanneskjol: hence the rectum

07:06:51 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co?

07:08:22 fluffypony: yep - or the so-called "pipe wrench attack"

07:08:33 fluffypony: where someone beats you with a pipe wrench till you give them your privkeys or password or whatever

07:08:39 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i can't register for van the request is still going but it looks like it's gonna time out...

07:09:51 pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: what are you advertising?

07:10:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00074856 = 4.5288 BTC [+]

07:11:37 fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/yRqhNt1.jpg

07:16:42 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: you'll seen when I start advertising

07:16:45 thestringpuller: see*

07:16:48 thestringpuller: jesus too tired for this

07:16:53 thestringpuller: WHY IS THE REQUEST STILL SPINNING

07:16:56 thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: fix this

07:19:27 pete_dushenski: lol

07:19:30 cazalla: pete_dushenski, an INTP eh, i'm an INFP according to that test

07:20:18 pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins

07:20:18 gribble: The operation succeeded.

07:20:57 pete_dushenski: cazalla: a feeler eh?

07:21:24 cazalla: pete_dushenski, supposedly but i think it's bullshit

07:21:35 pete_dushenski: "INFPs are flexible and laid-back, until one of their values is violated." << lulz

07:21:35 cazalla: that article leads me to believe you have the secret under your pillow btw :P

07:22:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.000745 = 24.3243 BTC [-]

07:22:25 pete_dushenski: the rectal probists will never look under mah pillow

07:23:02 pete_dushenski: "INFPs are usually talented writers." << so cazalla, where's your blog?

07:23:37 cazalla: i stopped when the adsense monies ceased to flow

07:24:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 169 @ 0.02523161 = 4.2641 BTC [-]

07:24:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 169 @ 0.014791 = 2.4997 BTC [-]

07:24:48 pete_dushenski: cazalla: then there's never been a better time to get back on the horse

07:25:11 pete_dushenski: van-ads is going to do for blog advertising what that bald dude did for dishsoap

07:25:39 pete_dushenski: or so i've been lead to believe...

07:25:45 cazalla: pete_dushenski, there is nothing i could write that would be of any interest to anyone here and in the past it was about quantity, quality wasn't even a consideration (until google decided it was)

07:26:58 kyuupichan: kakobrekla: Why have 2 new bets gone straight into closed state? Some bitbet code update bug? I assume you're aware....

07:31:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.000745 = 2.1605 BTC [-]

07:35:45 khersonus: mircea_popescu: indeed, and from what I can tell, you don't self censor all that much. But somehow I don't picture you as selfless.

07:39:24 thestringpuller: +pete_dushenski> ;;later tell ben_vulpes please to fix van pgp so thestringpuller can advertise his muffins << you're a bully

07:39:27 thestringpuller: lol

07:46:31 jurov: !mpif

07:46:32 assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 B (Total: 474.46 B). Delta: -0.06 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]

07:47:25 jurov: hi all

07:48:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.000745 = 23.4675 BTC [-]

07:51:21 mircea_popescu: hi jurov

07:51:33 mircea_popescu: khersonus selfless ?

07:51:48 mircea_popescu: kyuupichan shitty bets, got past mod in training.

07:53:23 mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> how long does it take for a key to register with van-ads ? << from what i've seen 30 seconds

07:53:25 khersonus: khersonus: you mentioned self censorship works towards the interest of the individual. So, lack of self censorship should do the opposite. You don't seem to self censor much, so, you're looking out for the interests of us all?

07:53:30 khersonus: mircea_popescu: ^

07:53:42 mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: BigBitz the only accomplishment of 1800s germany ? << lol what about brahms, mendelssohn, and co? << just being an asshole lol

07:53:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38272 @ 0.00074436 = 28.4881 BTC [-] {3}

07:54:05 mircea_popescu: khersonus i said it doesn't.

07:55:06 []bot: Bet created: "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/

07:55:18 khersonus: "self censorship rarely if always works towards the interest of the individuala" maybe you meant to say "rarely if never"?

07:56:01 khersonus: anyway

07:56:08 mircea_popescu: if ever yeah

07:56:30 mircea_popescu: i guess i got confused.

07:56:52 khersonus: one of the benefits of this +v thing is that we can tell people have been auth'd, right? but you can get +v if someone else !up's you, right?

07:56:53 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9EKv-LM1nI

07:56:53 assbot: Seinfeld: Kramer - Cooking Jewish Delicacies [HQ] - YouTube

07:57:00 khersonus: then it's not clear if you're auth'd or not

07:57:14 mircea_popescu: ;;ident khersonus

07:57:14 gribble: Nick 'khersonus', with hostmask 'khersonus!~kher@ip-69-172-229-134.chunkhost.com', is identified as user 'khersonus', with GPG key id 06A6FE4336524BF8, key fingerprint C467B1F51C3F093E702D69AC06A6FE4336524BF8, and bitcoin address None

07:57:22 mircea_popescu: you can always check with gribble.

07:57:32 khersonus: yes, but you can't if you're looking through the logs

07:57:44 khersonus: but, it's a minor detail

07:57:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00074428 = 14.5507 BTC [-] {2}

07:58:10 punkman: khersonus: there's always http://otcdb.us.to/otc/

07:58:13 assbot: OTC events search

07:58:16 khersonus: what's the reason for mpex.co being down for so long?

07:58:31 khersonus: punkman: oh, cool, didn't know that existed

07:58:41 mircea_popescu: a woman!

07:58:55 khersonus: a woman!? she needs to get on it

08:00:40 punkman: khersonus: it's well handy, http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?*khersonus*

08:00:41 assbot: OTC *khersonus*

08:00:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4175 @ 0.00074856 = 3.1252 BTC [+]

08:02:03 punkman: mircea_popescu: what did she do, use the mop on the servers?

08:02:19 mircea_popescu: no but i mean what a silly question!

08:02:24 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7gghv7r1fA << here. she was TOO TALL

08:02:24 assbot: Tall Goddess Severa comparison - YouTube

08:03:03 punkman: lolshoes

08:17:25 []bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/

08:20:25 []bot: Bet placed: 1.00089999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 94(Y):6(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,998.

08:21:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00074991 = 13.6109 BTC [+] {2}

08:25:19 mircea_popescu: osrsly ?

08:25:29 []bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 33(Y):67(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.1009 BTC. Current weight: 99,993.

08:29:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15592 @ 0.00075013 = 11.696 BTC [+]

08:32:30 mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_3T-Af57Pg lulzy.

08:32:30 assbot: How does the financial system work - YouTube

08:38:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00075064 = 23.6452 BTC [+] {3}

08:39:12 cazalla: mircea_popescu, those guys have been around for years on au tv, pretty funny

08:39:44 mircea_popescu: yeah i just discovered them

08:39:48 mircea_popescu: but yeah, solid.

08:55:37 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

08:55:38 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 587.45, Best ask: 587.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.31000, Last trade: 587.45, 24 hour volume: 3329.03181055, 24 hour low: 586.0, 24 hour high: 597.0, 24 hour vwap: 0

09:03:58 Vexual: %nethash

09:04:06 Vexual: ;;nethash

09:04:06 gribble: 173550417.936

09:08:37 Vexual: looks like someones buying up surplus nuclear gigawattage

09:12:06 xmj: Vexual: the swiss have perfected this sport.

09:12:16 Vexual: ;;estimate

09:12:17 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23704564296.8 based on data since last change | 24244343363.7 based on data for last three days

09:12:32 xmj: buy from france germany and italy when GWh are cheap; pump up water to their reservoirs; sell water-powered "green" energy when the price is high.

09:12:34 Vexual: hows that xmj?

09:12:42 Vexual: ahhh

09:12:52 xmj: nuclear-fueled green energy!

09:13:10 xmj: Vexual: it's a very simple tempospatial arbitrage strategy. <3

09:13:24 Vexual: <3

09:14:42 Vexual: nuclear is pretty fuckin green anyway

09:15:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00074933 = 8.0178 BTC [-]

09:15:56 pankkake: well, ze germans replaced nuclear by… coal

09:16:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4023 @ 0.00074916 = 3.0139 BTC [-]

09:19:55 Vexual: really?

09:21:05 mircea_popescu: yeah.

09:21:25 Vexual: why?

09:22:31 xmj: yes.

09:22:37 mircea_popescu: cause ecologist = libtard = clueless idiot ?

09:22:37 xmj: because Democracy.

09:22:58 Vexual: theres no reason they can't take their shirt off in a nuclear plant

09:23:02 xmj: i've spoken to Christian Lindner, three weeks before Fukushima, in some FDP event in Frankfurt.

09:23:38 xmj: to the question why everone else is building nukes around german boarders and we aren't he (in some convoluted answer) replied that "we couldn't get this through parliament and run through the population."

09:24:36 Vexual: particular about the steam

09:24:43 Vexual: i kinda get it

09:25:43 mircea_popescu: i don't think the steam stuff is even used anymore.

09:26:57 xmj: of course it is, most nukes runs off steam

09:27:15 xmj: sodium powered "fast breeders" are really really rare

09:27:40 Vexual: and if you're pumping seawter anyway, you can pipe some thru a membrane and get freshwater

09:29:07 Vexual: whats a breeder?

09:30:53 xmj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_breeder#Fast_breeder_reactor

09:30:53 assbot: Breeder reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

09:31:07 xmj: As of 2006, all large-scale fast breeder reactor (FBR) power stations have been liquid metal fast breeder reactors (LMFBR) cooled by liquid sodium. These have been of one of two designs:[1]

09:31:11 xmj: ...

09:32:56 Vexual: hmm

09:33:24 []bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1020/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.1109 BTC. Current weight: 99,936.

09:35:15 Vexual: it makes different charcoal? and everyone has one?

09:43:53 Vexual: !up praeconium

09:45:55 Vexual: hi praeconium

09:56:22 Vexual: noone ever learned to cut fugu with their mouth closed

09:58:20 cazalla: more fugu!

10:04:46 Vexual: :D

10:08:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00074916 = 5.9933 BTC [-]

10:10:23 Vexual: !up praeconium

10:14:19 Vexual: airconditioners stoves and televisions

10:18:47 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VY1XpsuQnI

10:19:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27176 @ 0.000751 = 20.4092 BTC [+] {3}

10:19:47 assbot: wyrdmantis +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

10:20:06 Vexual: !up wyrdmantis

10:20:35 wyrdmantis: thanks Vexual

10:20:39 Vexual: np

10:23:49 wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how...

10:24:35 Vexual: what do you have o say you odd shaped freak?

10:26:17 nubbins`: same old things

10:28:25 Vexual: not you nubs, you look normal, i was talking to the mantis

10:28:29 nubbins`: o

10:28:33 Vexual: :)

10:28:50 Vexual: hows business?

10:29:12 wyrdmantis: hey sorry :)

10:29:29 wyrdmantis: i'm confused, i've registered my gpg... now?

10:30:12 wyrdmantis: am I already in the WoT?

10:31:13 wyrdmantis: i'm a totally newbie :)

10:32:38 Vexual: what are you trying to do mantis?

10:33:54 wyrdmantis: i'm trying to understand how to get trust

10:34:17 Vexual: what u need trust for?

10:37:25 wyrdmantis: i don't "need"... i'm just trying to understand what all this WoT is about, to get in contact with you "strong" bitcoiners :)

10:37:51 xanthyos: hi

10:38:21 wyrdmantis: what do you do with your trust Vexual?

10:38:34 Vexual: i ear it

10:38:39 Vexual: *fear

10:39:50 Vexual: but bitcoin is a thing, and i might need it

10:41:30 punkman: wyrdmantis: these might help: http://contravex.com/2014/03/27/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/ http://fraudsters.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/

10:41:31 assbot: The 5 Ws of WoT | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski

10:41:32 assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

10:42:26 wyrdmantis: so... here i could get... a loan in bitcoin for example?

10:43:37 wyrdmantis: yeah i've red contravex

10:44:38 wyrdmantis: ok, maybe i must re-read

10:45:02 wyrdmantis: at least now i'm registered with gribble :D

10:45:17 punkman: ;;gettrust assbot wyrdmantis

10:45:18 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask wyrdmantis!1fbdc9c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.189.201.195. Trust relationship from user assbot to user wyrdmantis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=wyrdmantis | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wyrdmantis | Rated since: never

10:45:57 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17O3lL1aUrg

10:46:16 Vexual: whats the loan for?

10:49:28 wyrdmantis: yeah, first is to improve my rating, i'm a trader, i've got many loans on btcjam

10:49:42 Vexual: drop a link bitch

10:50:41 Vexual: vut you're talking about corruption

10:52:13 nubbins`: !up wyrdmantis

10:52:28 nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust

10:52:30 wyrdmantis: corruption?

10:52:51 wyrdmantis: nubbins, ok

10:53:05 wyrdmantis: what's a better way?

10:53:07 nubbins`: that's fine in the fiat, aka fake bitcoin ($, €, etc), world

10:53:18 nubbins`: a better way to gain trust is to perform actions that cause others to trust you

10:53:28 nubbins`: this is an impossibly open answer, i know

10:54:03 nubbins`: suppose a stranger approached you on the street and asked for a loan of $20 for one week. you said sure, gave him the $20, a week later he finds you and pays you back.

10:54:11 nubbins`: do you trust this person now?

10:54:24 nubbins`: do you trust them enough to loan them another $20? $100? $1000?

10:54:46 wyrdmantis: yeah, i have your point

10:55:04 Vexual: link your btcjam thing

10:55:07 nubbins`: personally, i don't trust people who take loans at all

10:55:16 nubbins`: others may have different criteria

10:55:17 wyrdmantis: on btcjam it works

10:55:44 Vexual: its a thing

10:55:58 wyrdmantis: ok vexual, wait a moment

10:56:59 punkman: btcjam works for the people building reputation until they can walk out with a bigger loan

10:57:37 Vexual: yeah i wouldn't touch it with dub's dick

10:58:50 wyrdmantis: https://btcjam.com/listings/18263

10:58:51 assbot: Business (Loan listing #18263) - BTCJam

10:59:35 wyrdmantis: i understand punkman, but this don't preclude honest people to do things right

10:59:52 wyrdmantis: I've always repaid loans

11:00:03 Vexual: you mine?

11:00:35 wyrdmantis: not directly

11:00:53 Vexual: pankakke, who said odd shaped freak?

11:01:21 punkman: wyrdmantis: sure, until cryptostocks or havelol blow up

11:01:25 wyrdmantis: but forget btcjam, i'm not here for it, i'm here to learn

11:01:49 Vexual: where are you from?

11:02:35 wyrdmantis: my same fears punkman... that's one the reasons i'm here

11:02:45 wyrdmantis: Italy

11:02:54 punkman: wyrdmantis: do you have some btc reserve for when that happens?

11:03:53 wyrdmantis: of course

11:04:06 wyrdmantis: but now that you tell me that...

11:04:11 Vexual: then give me a fuckin loan

11:04:49 wyrdmantis: i think i'm going to stop and change stategy

11:04:59 punkman: wyrdmantis: that might be prudent

11:05:23 wyrdmantis: how much do you need?

11:05:26 punkman: ;;rate wyrdmantis 1 #b-a voice

11:05:27 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wyrdmantis has been recorded.

11:05:50 punkman: wyrdmantis: you can now /msg assbot !up

11:06:04 wyrdmantis: thanks punkman

11:06:38 wyrdmantis: i feel like a bug over the enciclopedya britannica

11:07:03 punkman: wyrdmantis: here's a havelock hedge btw, http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/

11:07:04 assbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (35%) on Yes, 14.04 B (65%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 days | weight: 26`406 (100`000 to 1)

11:07:10 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoA3SGPDj1E

11:07:47 wyrdmantis: i have to disconnect now... see you later . Thanks for your patience.

11:17:46 punkman: ;;later tell mike_c https://atc.waroflife.com/ is throwing 500 errors

11:17:48 gribble: The operation succeeded.

11:18:28 Vexual: has it got a sexy splash?

11:19:28 Vexual: with go fast s tripes?

11:21:34 Vexual: yo mr hunt, ruby brought you coffee

11:22:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00074791 = 23.6714 BTC [-] {2}

11:29:59 punkman: !up putler

11:30:02 punkman: !up Quanttek

11:32:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00075125 = 32.6043 BTC [+] {3}

11:33:43 Vexual: someone is really hitting swurches

11:33:52 Vexual: *switches

11:37:51 cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/2d7o96/consider_this_my_official_return_to_the_sub/

11:37:51 assbot: Consider this my official return to the sub :) : dogecoin

11:38:16 cazalla: looks like palmer came back to /r/dogecoin.. to slang that stellar i bet

11:40:10 Vexual: whois palmer?

11:40:33 pankkake: I want to sell my free stellar but most exchanges look annoying

11:40:59 Vexual: yo punkman, you got a mercator projection in ascii?

11:41:01 cazalla: Vexual, the dogecoin creator/marketer

11:42:08 Vexual: how does one obtain stealler?

11:42:54 pankkake: with a facebook account

11:43:19 Vexual: or coins on the real chain at some point in the future?

11:45:31 cazalla: don't have facebook, i was gonna use missus account but figured stellar would post shit all over her wall

11:45:36 Vexual: shall we do an experiemnt pankkake?

11:46:12 Vexual: i think bitcoin 2.0 is better served with bitcoin 1.0

11:46:13 pankkake: it doesn't, I used another account too

11:46:23 pankkake: they use it to avoid farming I guess

11:46:41 pankkake: but you could fool it with fake accounts with fake friends

11:47:03 Vexual: yes, its more an adoption technique than anything

11:48:55 Vexual: altcoin with X is still an altcoin

11:51:03 punkman: ;;google ascii worldmap

11:51:04 gribble: ASCII Art - Maps: http://www.retrojunkie.com/asciiart/maps/maps.htm; F-Secure Labs Malware World Map, ASCII Edition - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_8_tgR0Nc4; Asciiworld.com : Maps: http://www.asciiworld.com/-Maps-.html

11:51:35 punkman: pankkake: what's the price of stellar on the exchanges?

11:52:09 pankkake: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/stellar/ 0.00000801 BTC

11:52:10 assbot: Stellar (STR) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations

11:52:10 Vexual: how much bc for a facebook?

11:52:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24339 @ 0.00075165 = 18.2944 BTC [+]

11:52:44 pankkake: so this isn't worth it at all

11:52:56 punkman: vexual, facebook account costs about $0.05

11:53:13 Vexual: how much in stardust today?

11:54:06 pankkake: 5000 STR per facebook

11:54:09 Vexual: earnings not cost

11:54:18 punkman: so $24 per facebook

11:54:22 Vexual: fail

11:55:55 Vexual: one can already make a contract wit bitcoin

11:57:08 pankkake: https://xrptalk.org/topic/3638-ripple-stellar-how-did-we-get-here/ this is too funny

11:57:09 assbot: Ripple Stellar how did we get here? - General Discussion - XRPtalk

11:58:17 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1CaN4thI5w

11:59:41 Vexual: asssbot ignores me?

12:02:54 Vexual: !up los_pantalones

12:08:36 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2GozE6XEqg

12:08:41 Vexual: nubs

12:10:08 Vexual: !up nubbins`

12:10:15 Vexual: zing

12:15:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00075168 = 11.2 BTC [+] {2}

12:15:18 nubbins`: got one for you too

12:15:23 nubbins`: ;;google mommy and me are animals

12:15:23 gribble: Mommy & Me rescue - Shamokin, Pennsylvania - Animal Shelter ...: https://www.facebook.com/MommyMeRescue; Mommy & me rescue - Adopt a Pet: http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/85327.html; - Mommy & me rescue - Shamokin, PA Rescue Animals: http://mommyandme.rescueme.org/

12:15:26 nubbins`: fuck, wait

12:15:33 nubbins`: ;;google jonathan meese mommy and me are animals

12:15:34 gribble: Jonathan Meese & his mother | Louisiana Channel: http://channel.louisiana.dk/video/jonathan-meese-his-mother-mummi-and-me-are-animals; Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgxQntdMjwI; Jonathan Meese – Bortolami Gallery: http://www.bortolamigallery.com/artists/jonathan-meese/

12:15:38 nubbins`: ^

12:19:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32371 @ 0.00074851 = 24.23 BTC [-] {2}

12:30:50 nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm

12:32:37 nubbins`: imagine

12:35:45 Vexual: thats enough to change currents

12:39:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00074443 = 13.772 BTC [-] {2}

12:43:23 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R99Ia4PpXIc

12:44:00 wyrdmantis: hi all :)

12:44:22 nubbins`: hola

12:44:31 nubbins`: wow, glad i don't live in ferguson, mo

12:44:35 Vexual: ohai

12:45:11 wyrdmantis: hoy hoy so i have to do the everify thing every time i log in?

12:45:35 Vexual: yahmon

12:45:59 wyrdmantis: i wish i've studied programming

12:48:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00074394 = 10.1176 BTC [-] {2}

12:48:46 nubbins`: real life is the best teacher

12:48:57 Vexual: i assumed you were chinese

12:49:06 nubbins`: besides, pgp is useful. you'll be glad you learned

12:51:06 wyrdmantis: can i change pgp key later?

12:54:15 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6j4f8cHBIM

12:54:56 chetty: changing pgp keys is messy, make a good one to start with

12:55:02 nubbins`: ^

12:55:03 wyrdmantis: lol no i'm italian... we have been invaded by chinese instead... they're buying and opening shops everywhere

12:55:08 nubbins`: you can, but yeah... what chetty said

12:55:18 Vexual: slovakistan!

12:55:23 nubbins`: opt for maximum strength, save yourself a hassle down the road

12:55:49 nubbins`: wyrdmantis: why don't italians buy the shops?

12:56:24 Vexual: they do, it's only on paper

12:56:36 wyrdmantis: i think chinese don't pay taxes like italians have to do

12:56:59 Vexual: italians pay tax now?

12:57:42 wyrdmantis: aahaha not everyone but the majority yes

12:57:57 chetty: the gov everywhere raising taxes is good, people are using their heads to find alternatives

12:58:30 chetty: and thinking is good for everyone

12:58:32 wyrdmantis: also, almost everyone pays less respect what he should

12:59:44 wyrdmantis: so it's too late? the pgp i've created is fucking short

13:00:11 punkman: wyrdmantis: you mean you have a short password for it?

13:00:11 wyrdmantis: 2048

13:00:12 chetty: you havent registered it yet?

13:00:22 nubbins`: 2048 is the minimum

13:00:33 Vexual: i like people that get different stats than me

13:00:41 wyrdmantis: the passphrase is long

13:00:54 nubbins`: how long is long? :D

13:01:03 nubbins`: mine's in the neighbourhood of 100 characters

13:01:36 wyrdmantis: err 39 chars

13:01:54 nubbins`: better than 8, i guess ;D

13:02:25 wyrdmantis: yeah :) but you think it's enough?

13:02:34 punkman: wyrdmantis: ideally you'd want to make keys on an airgapped machine

13:02:39 Vexual: what do you think?

13:03:00 pankkake: nubbins`: is it buttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbuttsbutts ?

13:03:22 nubbins`: a small padlock is enough for my shed; a u-lock is enough for my bike; a deadbold and handle lock is enough for my home; a safety deposit box is enough for my valuables

13:03:33 nubbins`: "enough" depends on how you plan to use a given thing

13:04:03 nubbins`: pankkake: yes but i change the As to 4s and the Es to 3s

13:04:10 wyrdmantis: punkman: you mean an offline machine?

13:04:24 nubbins`: he means a machine that never has and never will connect to the internet :D

13:04:38 punkman: !s fraudsters airgap

13:04:39 assbot: 3 results for 'fraudsters airgap' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fraudsters+airgap

13:04:59 nubbins`: again, your level of paranoia should be commensurate to your desired level of security

13:07:15 chetty: if its so complicated you wind up cutting corners, its bad

13:07:24 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg

13:09:23 wyrdmantis: they can't stole my btc with my pgp key, so i fell safe for now

13:09:32 wyrdmantis: *feel

13:09:39 fluffypony: well this is fascinating

13:09:45 Vexual: indeed

13:09:47 fluffypony: I just stumbled across an old Satoshi post on Bitcointalk

13:09:47 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2151.msg28228#msg28228

13:09:47 assbot: JSON-RPC method idea: list transactions newer than a given txid

13:10:04 fluffypony: he basically says that you should never rely on the details of a transaction as a developer

13:10:06 fluffypony: as they can change

13:10:22 fluffypony: he literally spoke about the thing that mtgox did that made them vulnerable to malleability attacks

13:10:51 fluffypony: "Programmers are naturally inclined to want to use listtransactions like this: feed me the new transactions since I last asked, and I'll keep my own tally or static record of them. This will seem to work in all regular use, but if you use the amounts for anything, it is highly exploitable"

13:11:03 Vexual: the genreal thing is to ask .info

13:11:04 chetty: what you think devs read history? Its right in there with reading the manual

13:11:09 fluffypony: of course, mtgox got hit the other way round, but it's still pretty funny

13:11:22 fluffypony: chetty: yeah, but it just goes to show eh

13:11:49 chetty: present company excpted of course

13:14:22 Vexual: i don't like drunk satoshi

13:16:29 Vexual: repeating transactions ad finitum

13:20:39 Vexual: i guess theres a reason to not have the real client reported

13:20:48 Vexual: satoshi busines

13:21:31 Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtUVQei3nX4

13:32:31 Vexual: ;;estimate

13:32:32 gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 23452248634.0 based on data since last change | 24186371906.8 based on data for last three days

13:40:13 Vexual: thats not how you play frogger

13:49:44 chetty: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-10/conditioned-human-nature-within-insane-asylum

13:51:10 chetty: How exactly are we to successfully and correctly examine ourselves when the only ?normal? we know is found in the boiling pot of water we presently occupy?

13:51:58 nubbins`: that's what daniel quinn asked :D

13:52:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 89 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2456 BTC [-]

13:54:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01482559 = 1.3195 BTC [-] {3}

14:04:10 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/1017/uro-coin-to-trade-below-001-btc-dec/ wat?

14:04:10 assbot: BitBet - URO coin to trade below .001 BTC Dec 15th :: 0 B (50%) on Yes, 0 B (50%) on No | closed 11 hours 19 minutes ago

14:06:58 BingoBoingo: %d

14:06:59 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1768652.91 in 599 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 276.67

14:07:07 BingoBoingo: %p

14:07:08 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6681.44 GH/s

14:10:26 pankkake: "String of blocks will reject payments lower than 0.0001 BTC before the end of December 2014" the guy almost had it right, I'm submitting a better bet even though I don't really see the point :p

14:11:39 nubbins`: for the good of the project, that's the point!

14:13:25 pankkake: he made it about devs policy, it should be about policy

14:13:43 nubbins`: bbl, printing

14:13:49 pankkake: +pool

14:17:05 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19680 @ 0.00074353 = 14.6327 BTC [-] {2}

14:33:45 BingoBoingo: http://www.scribd.com/doc/236422042/Timeline-Correlation-Jeremy-Hammond-and-Anarchaos

14:33:45 assbot: Timeline Correlation: Jeremy Hammond and Anarchaos

14:34:40 []bot: Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $1000 before September" http://bitbet.us/bet/866/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 74.33365572 BTC. Current weight: 16,530.

14:38:54 chetty: The more certain I think I am, the higher the likelihood I am wrong for the simple reasons that I am unwilling to consider any other alternative plus I have now embodied my belief so tightly to 'me' that to question what I 'know' is to question the very basis of 'me'.

14:46:35 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00074587 = 19.3926 BTC [+] {3}

14:51:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.266 = 1.862 BTC [-] {2}

15:06:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00074846 = 10.0997 BTC [+] {2}

15:11:33 BingoBoingo: %t

15:11:34 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 189 Ask: 250 Last Price: 187 24h-Vol: 345k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

15:18:15 BingoBoingo: !up mike_c

15:20:01 mike_c: ;;later tell punkman thanks, fixed. warp speed mining caused an issue.

15:20:01 gribble: The operation succeeded.

15:20:57 BingoBoingo: Oh yeah, WoL hasn't been around long enough to experience the full possible speed of ATC mining

15:21:10 mike_c: %d

15:21:11 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1780729.41 in 557 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.24

15:24:41 thestringpuller: is WoL still using ATC bets too?

15:25:05 BingoBoingo: Yeah

15:41:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.0007432 = 8.138 BTC [-]

15:56:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00074251 = 13.8107 BTC [-] {2}

15:59:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.66538592 BTC to 13`068 shares, 12744 satoshi per share

16:00:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 14.30585072 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1244 satoshi per share

16:01:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14271 @ 0.00074229 = 10.5932 BTC [-] {2}

16:11:07 BingoBoingo: !up Pumped

16:11:10 BingoBoingo: !up Aholic

16:11:11 Pumped: !up

16:11:21 Pumped: hello

16:11:23 BingoBoingo: Hello

16:11:36 Pumped: whats happening folks?

16:11:40 Aholic: hey

16:11:43 BingoBoingo: Oh, not to much

16:14:01 BingoBoingo: ;;ticker

16:14:02 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.91, Best ask: 587.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 587.96, 24 hour volume: 2619.03081782, 24 hour low: 584.71, 24 hour high: 591.94, 24 hour vwap: 0

16:17:32 BingoBoingo: !t m s.wol

16:17:32 assbot: [MPEX:S.WOL] 1D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 7D: 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 / 0.0000879 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000042 / 0.0000488 / 0.00008888 (25901 shares, 1.26 BTC)

16:17:39 BingoBoingo: !t m s.nsa

16:17:39 assbot: [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.000101 / 0.000101 / 0.000101 (1 shares, 0.00 BTC)

16:17:55 BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe

16:17:55 assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007422 / 0.00075233 / 0.0007749 (979066 shares, 736.59 BTC), 7D: 0.0007422 / 0.00085072 / 0.00094217 (5097763 shares, 4,336.81 BTC), 30D: 0.0007422 / 0.00082499 / 0.00094217 (11932071 shares, 9,843.94 BTC)

16:23:23 kakobrekla: http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-chinese-bitcoin-mine/

16:23:24 assbot: Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman

16:28:03 BingoBoingo: lol "As old hardware becomes dated and unprofitable to run, it really piles up. There?s retired old Avalon machines all over the place."

16:28:53 TomServo: I liked: not “socialism-for-banks-but-we’ll-call-it-capitalism-anyways”

16:33:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 69 @ 0.015044 = 1.038 BTC [+]

16:35:53 BingoBoingo: %t

16:35:54 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 190 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

16:36:17 BingoBoingo: %d

16:36:18 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775259.29 in 526 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.08

16:36:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.015044 = 0.6318 BTC [-]

16:37:35 BingoBoingo: %ob

16:37:36 atcbot: 722@279 8k@260 17k@250 | 39k@190 22k@189 100k@188

16:46:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12533 @ 0.00074486 = 9.3353 BTC [+]

17:04:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35485 @ 0.00074995 = 26.612 BTC [+] {2}

17:06:29 chetty: http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/aug/10/leaning-in-why-women-still-need-feminism?CMP=twt_gu

17:06:29 assbot: 'Instead of leaning in, I leaned out': why women still need feminism | Money | theguardian.com

17:06:59 chetty: We didn?t have the right to credit cards in our own names until 1974

17:11:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21602 @ 0.00075137 = 16.2311 BTC [+]

17:17:30 BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats

17:17:32 gribble: Current Blocks: 315101 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1410 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 0 hours, 16 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23741241005.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.33283

17:20:24 chetty: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/08/us-cruciblecapital-charges-idUSKBN0G828Y20140808

17:20:24 assbot: New York brokerage CEO criminally charged with obstructing SEC| Reuters

17:23:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6140 @ 0.00075169 = 4.6154 BTC [+]

17:32:17 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00074919 = 10.0766 BTC [-] {2}

17:37:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.01490027 = 1.639 BTC [+] {3}

17:46:07 punkman: "The farm employs three people whose job it is to monitor the machinery and make sure that all the machines are working properly. They work around the clock, in three shifts, and do a walkabout of the floor once per hour to check everything. The guys live here mostly full time, going home for 4 or 5 days once a month. They sleep on the premises."

17:46:20 punkman: sounds like some honest hard work over there

17:48:06 punkman: oh and "Despite the massive and powerful air current created by these massive industrial fans, the inside of the mining farm still manages to hold steady at 40° Celsius (105° f) the entire time."

17:48:14 punkman: like actual mining, innit

17:52:28 kakobrekla: lol

18:11:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71369 @ 0.00074828 = 53.404 BTC [-] {4}

18:12:51 thestringpuller: !search otc db

18:12:52 assbot: 4 results for 'otc db' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=otc+db

18:14:10 thestringpuller: channel is dead today

18:27:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 540 @ 0.00187069 = 1.0102 BTC [+] {4}

18:40:08 BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03

18:40:23 bats_cd03: o hayy

18:41:05 bats_cd03: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/08/08/ether-sale-a-statistical-overview a report from the belly of the chumpatron

18:41:06 assbot: ethereum blog | Ether Sale: A Statistical Overview

18:42:41 BingoBoingo: Nice work digging that up

18:43:06 bats_cd03: 'Thus, the fact that the majority of purchases occurred at the end shows that ether purchasers are generally a rather sophisticated audience – which I suppose you should be if you managed to be convinced to trade your hard-earned BTC for some cryptographic tokens backed by a concept of “generalized consensus computing”.'

18:43:15 bats_cd03: trolling hard

18:43:45 punkman: "As a final set of interesting statistics, we have calculated three Gini indices"

18:44:39 punkman: "The sale still has 28 days left to go; although we are not expecting much out of this remaining period, anything is possible." <- why would it suddenly stop?

18:45:37 kakobrekla: chumpatron needs recharge time for each money bomb

18:46:55 punkman: "The intent is to withdraw 4150 BTC from our exodus address within the next 48 hours."

18:47:26 punkman: " 2650 BTC will be distributed to pay for loans for prior expenses" ' “we” will not be selling any portion of this 2650 BTC on exchanges ourselves, although individuals may choose to independently convert the BTC that they receive into fiat '

18:47:40 punkman: right

18:49:32 punkman: "note that the distribution of the endowment is quasi-public; although names of all individuals are not published (though everyone is free to disclose their own portion voluntarily"

18:49:55 punkman: schrodinger's ledger

18:49:56 mike_c: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 2650

18:49:57 gribble: 1532813

18:50:02 mike_c: some loan.

18:50:22 punkman: "the expenses the largest is legal at $296,000 followed by rent at $111,000"

18:50:32 kakobrekla: not as much a loan as a gift

18:51:13 punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards"

18:51:40 punkman: "This transparency is top notch."

18:59:02 BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/08/fertilizer-raw-material-made-with-water-air-and-sunlight/

18:59:03 assbot: Water and air are all you need to make one of worlds most important chemicals | Ars Technica

18:59:46 danielpbarron: "..ETH as being the token with the 8th highest total value.." << non-existent token has value?

19:00:59 danielpbarron: kinda like how some mystics sell hope to grieving loved-ones

19:02:34 nubbins`: TRANSPARENT+++++++ Would see through again

19:04:42 BingoBoingo: %d

19:04:43 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1775635.45 in 463 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 278.16

19:06:00 ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out.

19:06:08 ben_vulpes: er, registration

19:06:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00074371 = 7.5858 BTC [-]

19:07:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00074214 = 2.783 BTC [-] {2}

19:08:42 bats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/c2cdjs/steviewonderc2c

19:08:42 assbot: Stevie Wonder - Superstition (C2C Remix) by C2C on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds

19:08:51 nubbins`: sold some casascius coins today, supper's on me tonight ;p

19:09:06 bats_cd03: do i have to give it up afterwards

19:10:17 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I've been having similat troubles retrieving my otp

19:11:03 kakobrekla: btw what happened with the bitcoin posters taht were suppose to be printed?

19:12:20 BingoBoingo: !up bats_cd03

19:12:23 nubbins`: they're in the queue, and are still supposed to be printed :D

19:12:27 bats_cd03: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo05.pdf most recent zine of PoC || GTFO

19:12:31 kakobrekla: aok

19:12:38 nubbins`: had an epiphany regarding the design a couple hours ago actually

19:12:54 nubbins`: gonna be good

19:13:25 bats_cd03: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKnloiM-0Ns

19:13:26 assbot: Crazy Asian Mother by Erick Liang - YouTube

19:19:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0104667 = 1.0467 BTC [+] {2}

19:20:35 BingoBoingo: !up the20year

19:20:50 the20year: and here I was gonna auth with gribble :D

19:21:44 kakobrekla: !down the20year

19:22:07 assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3JVTR74.txt )

19:22:07 BingoBoingo: !b 2

19:22:12 kakobrekla: !up the20year

19:22:20 the20year: i actually did it myself this time :D

19:22:25 the20year: all that effort for nothing

19:22:41 kakobrekla: !down the20year

19:22:51 assbot: the20year +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0

19:22:58 kakobrekla: !up the20year

19:23:06 the20year: What happened to my wot ratings?

19:23:22 kakobrekla: no clue

19:23:30 BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot the20year

19:23:30 gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.119.211. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014

19:23:53 the20year: pankakke gave me -1? nice

19:24:14 the20year: Great....

19:24:49 BingoBoingo: ;;rate the20year 1 Going long on Ohio is prolly stupid but hasn't run away yet

19:24:50 gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user the20year has been recorded.

19:24:57 the20year: thx

19:25:20 the20year: I don't know what i did to pankakke to PO him, this FUD thing dropped share prices pretty signfiicantly and added pretty major volatility to the stock

19:26:30 BingoBoingo: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/state-passes-law-legalize-self-defense-police/

19:26:30 assbot: State Passes Law to Legalize Shooting Police | The Free Thought Project

19:26:38 the20year: IL?

19:26:45 the20year: Rather, indiana?

19:27:29 the20year: Yeah, supposedly the state got sued by the FOP and they may strike it down, although the supreme court decision was a re-affirmation of basic self defense laws, and against the police idemnity laws

19:27:47 the20year: It's really a solid explanation of IN self defense laws and prevents immunity of anyone

19:28:01 the20year: Well, doesn't give immunity to any one regardless of position

19:29:07 BingoBoingo: Well when these things get litigated in shows where people stand

19:29:49 the20year: This is all of course from that case of the guy shooting police who were shooting him in the botched drug raid, the guy in the end i think was no-billed

19:30:15 BingoBoingo: Heating up https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/25/

19:30:16 assbot: Game 25 - Death 5611 Life 4389 Year 290 - War of Life

19:31:19 mike_c: get your bets in quick. fricking ATC miners are going nuts.

19:31:36 punkman: %d

19:31:38 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1773215.83 in 449 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 277.64

19:32:19 bats_cd03: i might bring a miner online after diff change...

19:32:37 bats_cd03: %tslb

19:32:37 atcbot: 0 minutes and 56 seconds

19:32:45 mike_c: i'm going to write a blog post on the last BTC game soon. it was interesting to me that more of the free money didn't get picked up, although TheNewDeal did grab some.

19:33:04 kakobrekla: mebbe someone figured one there is mk depth to be exploited

19:33:25 mike_c: hm. again in english?

19:33:59 kakobrekla: bb valuation is at 225 satoshi

19:34:10 kakobrekla: price is 188

19:34:24 mike_c: ah. good point.

19:34:31 kakobrekla: http://atc.blockr.io

19:34:34 kakobrekla: lookin here

19:34:41 bats_cd03: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf%20re:%20composite%20materials%20in%20aircraft%20incidents%20involving%20fire

19:35:01 bats_cd03: oops: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf re: composite materials in aircraft incidents involving fire

19:35:04 BingoBoingo: %t

19:35:04 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 189 24h-Vol: 348k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

19:35:33 BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well next month will probably be different

19:36:22 kakobrekla: bb im not implying anything but observing

19:36:32 bats_cd03: apparently, composite materials involved in fire result in aerosolized particles that can behave like asbestos

19:36:51 BingoBoingo: Yeah, diff drop changed a lot, but... Asks are still up or consumed

19:39:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14887 @ 0.0007442 = 11.0789 BTC [+]

19:42:21 bats_cd03: %nethash

19:42:29 mike_c: %p

19:42:31 atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.08 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 6941.43 GH/s

19:42:44 the20year: Alot of things can behave like asbestos

19:42:57 the20year: There's absolutely nothing special about asbestos other than the fact that some types atomize very easily

19:44:17 xmj: i don't get it

19:44:26 xmj: people that seem smart and seem to understand a lot

19:44:33 xmj: as soon as you enter into a professional mode with them

19:44:42 xmj: don't understand shit and imply meaning where there isn't any

19:44:46 xmj: Why is that?

19:45:26 mike_c: if by professional you mean they understand business, that does not correlate with intelligence.

19:45:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40600 @ 0.0007404 = 30.0602 BTC [-] {4}

19:51:38 chetty: https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/498919059980042240

19:51:39 assbot: http://t.co/zXCkNrMiFV

19:54:15 the20year: There we go...

20:14:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00073936 = 8.8354 BTC [-]

20:15:43 xmj: mike_c: language

20:15:59 xmj: not enough data to judge anything

20:16:41 mike_c: i have enough for my satisfication. there are lots of smart people that don't know (or care to know) anything about conducting business.

20:16:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 55 @ 0.02523161 = 1.3877 BTC [-]

20:17:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 65 @ 0.01505999 = 0.9789 BTC [+] {2}

20:17:01 mike_c: this would include most engineers actually

20:19:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0109591 = 1.0959 BTC [+] {8}

20:19:50 xmj: mike_c: maybe so, and it's not the issue im referring to

20:20:00 xmj: switch positions/contexts and people start sucking at comms.

20:22:05 mike_c: k, guess i'm not following then :) seems if you switch to a context they know little about they might sucking at comms.

20:23:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 64 @ 0.02523161 = 1.6148 BTC [-]

20:24:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 61 @ 0.01478954 = 0.9022 BTC [-]

20:24:12 chetty: some of it is attention span, lots of people seem to ask about something you answered 3 sentences previous

20:25:54 xmj: oh yes

20:26:04 xmj: even when they have the backlog in front of them, over irc.

20:26:29 xmj: sometimes i think I have ADHD. but compared to all these goldfish-short-term-memory people...

20:28:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 88 @ 0.02523161 = 2.2204 BTC [-]

20:29:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 91 @ 0.01475764 = 1.3429 BTC [-] {3}

20:35:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.02523161 = 1.2616 BTC [-]

20:36:18 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0147 = 0.735 BTC [-]

20:36:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.02523161 = 0.7569 BTC [-]

20:44:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27034801 = 0.5407 BTC [+] {2}

20:48:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 73 @ 0.02523161 = 1.8419 BTC [-]

20:49:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.01465 = 1.0695 BTC [-]

20:56:12 BingoBoingo: !up shortcat

20:56:18 BingoBoingo: hello shortcat

20:56:25 shortcat: hi

20:56:30 shortcat: just idling

20:57:15 nubbins`: ;;ticker

20:57:18 nubbins`: gribs is zombie

20:57:33 nubbins`: !up mius

21:03:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00074114 = 21.6413 BTC [+] {2}

21:05:58 nubbins`: ;;ticker

21:06:26 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.01, Best ask: 575.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 575.94, 24 hour volume: 5097.20463480, 24 hour low: 574.09, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0

21:07:41 nubbins`: !up Sebastan

21:12:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18513 @ 0.00074183 = 13.7335 BTC [+] {2}

21:26:05 nubbins`: !up pleego

21:26:07 nubbins`: !up yamaka

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21:29:22 mircea_popescu: thanks to web!

21:30:11 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14991 @ 0.0007468 = 11.1953 BTC [+]

21:31:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01487501 = 0.7438 BTC [+]

21:31:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10685 @ 0.00074204 = 7.9287 BTC [-]

21:31:47 mod6: email treasures

21:32:23 mircea_popescu: yup

21:38:43 mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

21:38:44 gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 573.0, Best ask: 574.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 574.12, 24 hour volume: 5758.24513809, 24 hour low: 571.0, 24 hour high: 590.99, 24 hour vwap: 0

21:41:17 mircea_popescu: !up alex____2

21:41:21 mircea_popescu: !up OX3_

21:47:47 nubbins`: what a stuff

21:48:43 asciilifeform: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/08/11/optalysys-and-optical-computing

21:48:45 assbot: Optalysys and Optical computing | Locklin on science

21:49:21 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/AkeZEWJ

21:49:21 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

21:49:24 nubbins`: mp at the planetarium

21:49:31 asciilifeform: (why? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#517931)

21:49:32 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

21:51:35 mircea_popescu: shit nubbins`, what a stuff!

21:53:05 nubbins`: :D

21:53:14 nubbins`: i've got more of you holding babies and stuff too

21:53:34 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10115 @ 0.0007445 = 7.5306 BTC [+]

21:54:16 mircea_popescu: "While quantum computing appears to be turning into a multi-decade over-hyped boondoggle of a field, there is no reason why optical computers might not become important."

21:54:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this the equivalent of "no offense, but fuck you and that whore of your mother" ?

21:55:21 asciilifeform: nothing so spicy. just the notion that analogue computing could come back (it was a gloriously interesting field back in the day, dust off some books, fun)

21:55:28 asciilifeform: see 2nd link.

21:55:41 asciilifeform: (example of optical 'knapsack packer', posted here some time ago)

21:55:56 asciilifeform: seems like...

21:55:59 asciilifeform: they're selling it.

21:56:01 mircea_popescu: you're just a massive underdog rooter is the thing

21:56:07 asciilifeform: (or at least pretending to sell it)

21:56:32 chetty: what we gonna string core again?

21:56:35 nubbins`: http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/08/11/1519201/every-day-is-goof-off-at-work-day-at-the-us-patent-and-trademark-office

21:56:36 assbot: Every Day Is Goof-Off-At-Work Day At the US Patent and Trademark Office - Slashdot

21:56:37 *: asciilifeform is selective about breed of underdog

21:56:39 nubbins`: wowwwwwww

21:56:43 nubbins`: always suspected, now i know

21:56:58 nubbins`: "Our quality standards are low," one supervisor told the investigators.

21:57:03 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument there.

21:57:30 asciilifeform: nubbins`: they're given quotas (how many patents judged / month)

21:57:35 mircea_popescu: nubbins` you think tsa/nsa/anya is any different ?

21:57:35 *: asciilifeform knows folks working there

21:58:03 nubbins`: i've seen tsa agents up-close, most of them probably did basic math in high school

21:58:07 nubbins`: balancing checkbooks and shit

21:58:34 asciilifeform: there is no 'quality control' (in the usual sense) at uspto - the expectation is that 'mistakes' will be challenged in court.

21:58:41 chetty: EPA and IRS seem to find stuff to do

21:59:20 mircea_popescu: chetty yes, that's like the swat team. working for the irs is fun, you get to talk to really scared people all the time

21:59:47 nubbins`: a large badge that reads "the man" produces the same effect as a large stick, turns out

22:00:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is rather like imagining that working in a slaughterhouse is fun

22:00:31 mircea_popescu: it is.

22:00:36 nubbins`: "you get to cum like ten times a shift"

22:00:37 asciilifeform: killing things that can't fight back - where's the fun

22:00:40 asciilifeform: no 'resistance of the medium'

22:00:50 mircea_popescu: plenty of resistence of the medium.

22:00:59 mircea_popescu: this is why you can tell venison from butter.

22:01:21 asciilifeform: venison - resistance. beef - ?

22:01:24 mircea_popescu: paper doesn't exactly fight back in the sense of hitting bad poets over the head, either.

22:01:28 mircea_popescu: it should, but it doesn't.

22:01:52 mircea_popescu: What can it do? Matrix math, basically. Obviously, even thinking about this in the most hand-wavey manner, optical computers should be good at image processing. When you break down what is involved in image processing, matrix math and Fourier transforms come to mind. We know how to do matrix math with optical computers. The limiting aspect is how many elements you can encode and modulate quickly. An optical matrix mu

22:01:52 mircea_popescu: ltiplication doodad will do it in time, up to the limiting size of the matrices that can be encoded in such a machine. This is huge, as most matrix multiplications are for square matrices of size N. There is all manner of work done on improving matrix multiplication and other forms of matrix math via statistical methods (subject of a coming blog post); the problem is very important, as is pretty bad on large proble

22:01:53 mircea_popescu: ms. People who have studied the history of computer science know how important the Fast Fourier Transform was. It reduced the 1-d Fourier transform from operations to , opening up vast new applications to signal processing techniques.

22:01:58 mircea_popescu: ok, i'm sold. he has a solid point there.

22:02:12 asciilifeform: see TWINKLE and TWIRL

22:02:20 asciilifeform: (touched in previous discussion, i think)

22:02:37 mircea_popescu: what sort of insane nut puts o(n^3) as AN IMAGE in the text.

22:03:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not all browsers support 'mathml'

22:03:38 asciilifeform: so reasonable.

22:03:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6764 @ 0.00074019 = 5.0066 BTC [-]

22:03:59 mircea_popescu: i didn't mean it negatively, i meant it admiratively.

22:04:04 asciilifeform: lel

22:04:31 nubbins`: heh

22:04:46 nubbins`: lots of wikipedia math articles do that

22:04:48 nubbins`: sucks

22:11:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's the sound of mp actually sending the corp an email to see if they want investment or mebbe even ipo.

22:11:30 asciilifeform: thought it was a bezzlecorp

22:11:47 mircea_popescu: one way to find out.

22:11:59 asciilifeform: i.e. black hole into which investment goes, emerges as burst of gamma rays and gently used cocaine

22:12:47 mircea_popescu: nah, they only got 500k

22:13:29 nubbins`: ugh, i remember eigenvalues and eigenvectors

22:13:35 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wyrdmantis: i'm confused. Now i need to get rated in the wot but don't know how... << generally by doing business with, or perhaps more commonly working for, the people already in the wot.

22:13:35 gribble: The operation succeeded.

22:14:20 nubbins`: "my husband got in the wot and all i got was a lousy box of shirts in which a bunch of spiders have taken up nest"

22:14:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00073993 = 2.2198 BTC [-]

22:14:59 mircea_popescu: which reminds me, didja ship the ohio guy those posters ?

22:15:28 nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#790614

22:15:29 assbot: #bitcoin-assets log

22:15:57 mircea_popescu: lol i c

22:16:00 nubbins`: :D

22:16:03 mircea_popescu: hadn't gotten that far into the log.

22:16:05 nubbins`: i think you'll like em

22:16:15 mircea_popescu: o hey.

22:16:36 mircea_popescu: you didn't put any chained tits on them or anything did you ?

22:16:55 nubbins`: nooooo, imagine moving into a rental & finding such :0

22:16:59 mircea_popescu: srsly.

22:17:23 mircea_popescu: "hello and welcome to DOOM PROPERTIES!"

22:17:35 nubbins`: i was actually printing a run of posters earlier (pix to follow) and stopped mid-poster to scribble down a couple paragraphs of ideas

22:17:50 nubbins`: it got all wrinkly on the vac table ;(

22:18:00 mircea_popescu: you got a vacuum table ?!

22:18:35 nubbins`: natch

22:18:53 nubbins`: not for making clamshells, more like an air hockey table in reverse

22:19:20 nubbins`: only way to print paper :D

22:19:35 mircea_popescu: spaking of which, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me35ez06XL1rhwvbro1_500.jpg

22:19:53 nubbins`: heh.

22:19:58 nubbins`: terrifying

22:20:01 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/0vlto4s

22:20:01 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

22:21:52 chetty: O speech today https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuyWIk3IIAAmZm1.png

22:22:09 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: wyrdmantis: generally, asking for and receiving loans is a poor way to earn trust << it's not that bad, is it ?

22:22:24 nubbins`: it's pretty bad

22:22:45 mircea_popescu: maybe we talk of different things. do you have the "loan me 10 bitcents for trust" things ?

22:23:04 mircea_popescu: chetty i dun get it ?

22:23:21 nubbins`: if i see a ratings page full of "user x repaid his loan in full", not a chance will i go out on a limb for him

22:23:36 mircea_popescu: from users you know or don't know ?

22:23:44 nubbins`: don't know, definitely

22:23:47 nubbins`: know, depends on context

22:24:07 mircea_popescu: well ok. but you know, if the loan is large enough and the people involved known enough, it's just business.

22:24:19 chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty i dun get it ?// empty suit,empty chair,empty podium

22:24:20 nubbins`: oh, sure, yeah.

22:24:33 mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone puts much value on the ratings of users they don't know.

22:24:39 mircea_popescu: not anyone very sane, at any rate.

22:24:47 mircea_popescu: if you do that might as well read the forum straight.

22:24:54 mircea_popescu: chetty lol

22:26:48 mircea_popescu: aaaand the ltc is under one bitcent.

22:26:52 mircea_popescu: MORE SILVER!

22:27:07 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17521 @ 0.00074019 = 12.9689 BTC [+]

22:29:48 mircea_popescu: "I try to let my feelings about jed, facebook, and maybe, social entitlment get out of the way and see things with logic ripple vs Stellar or both in a basket. I tried to get some of that free STR and me not having a facebook account made that hard to impossible and kinda deactivated my unbias view of the ecosystem."

22:30:04 mircea_popescu: social entitlement ?

22:30:18 mircea_popescu: i can't imagine there ever lived a more easy to hate generation.

22:30:19 nubbins`: hmm

22:30:30 nubbins`: isn't social entitlement just a different way of saying you're cool?

22:30:34 mircea_popescu: it really doesn't take any effort.

22:30:45 nubbins`: i've got lots of social entitlement, i guess

22:30:53 mircea_popescu: nubbins` i suspect what he means is that he isn't cool, can't be bothered to even try and doesn't ~FEEL~ this shoulkd make any difference.

22:30:55 nubbins`: i occasionally kick people out of bars for fun

22:31:40 nubbins`: oh yeah, did i tell you guys we won a couple awards in the local arts rag?

22:32:10 mircea_popescu: no ?

22:32:24 mircea_popescu: any of them for lipstick peacock competition ?

22:32:28 nubbins`: close

22:32:29 nubbins`: http://imgur.com/a/zV3id

22:32:29 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

22:32:41 nubbins`: best book cover, runner-up for best place to get your album art or show posters

22:32:53 mircea_popescu: who got the 1st place ?

22:33:38 nubbins`: http://gigposters.com/designer/57508_Jud_Haynes.html

22:33:39 assbot: GigPosters.com - Jud Haynes

22:33:50 nubbins`: well-deserved

22:33:58 nubbins`: incidentally, we printed the 2nd poster in the 2nd row

22:34:18 nubbins`: the "hey rosetta" one

22:34:28 mircea_popescu: +/u/dogetipbot 5 doge ahahha check that out

22:34:34 nubbins`: heh

22:34:39 mircea_popescu: they're tipping in hairs and nail clippings by now

22:34:42 nubbins`: what's 5 doge, epsilon?

22:34:57 mircea_popescu: ima totally fucking do this, you know, if i'm ever in a place where hte fucking waitress is all doge-fan

22:35:02 mircea_popescu: ima tip her a pubic hair.

22:35:09 mircea_popescu: (worth >10 doge)

22:35:11 nubbins`: "gotta be what, 3 doge?"

22:35:17 nubbins`: oh, you don't trim

22:35:18 assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1PF2YHD.txt )

22:35:18 BingoBoingo: !b 5

22:35:19 mircea_popescu: dude my pubic hair is really gnarly.

22:35:50 mircea_popescu: you could prolly make baseball bats out of some of these.

22:36:30 nubbins`: ew

22:36:36 nubbins`: dem pores

22:37:28 nubbins`: some parts of my body tend to grow multiple hairs out of the same follicle

22:37:33 nubbins`: it's pretty cool

22:37:49 mircea_popescu: imagine if eyeballs did that.

22:38:12 nubbins`: i try not to imagine my eyeballs too much

22:38:22 nubbins`: else i start thinking about the mites i'm mashing into them whenever i rub

22:38:36 mircea_popescu: all good protein.

22:38:42 BingoBoingo: %t

22:38:43 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 349k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

22:38:47 nubbins`: tongue won't reach that far up ;(

22:38:58 mircea_popescu: nubbins`: wow, in the coldest part of the last ice age, earth's average temperature was only 4.5C below the 20th century norm << that's such bs.

22:39:06 nubbins`: but xkcd said ;(

22:39:39 chetty: http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-statement-declarations-irs-officials-irs-missing-emails-case/

22:39:40 assbot: Judicial Watch Statement on Declarations by IRS Officials in the IRS Missing Emails Case | Judicial Watch

22:39:48 mircea_popescu: anyway, you mash them into the eye, the lacrimal glands wash them into the nose drain, from whece they drip straight into your duodenum

22:40:01 nubbins`: ah, that explains the bad taste

22:41:34 mircea_popescu: chetty judge should make an order creating adverse precedent for the irs.

22:41:52 mircea_popescu: "any taxpayer may prevail themselves of equal standards in any proceedings in this circuit".

22:42:04 nubbins`: check it out: http://imgur.com/hpkhU63

22:42:04 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

22:42:18 BingoBoingo: %d

22:42:20 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1782214.48 in 362 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.56

22:42:22 nubbins`: detail: http://imgur.com/vnTK5jC

22:42:22 assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer

22:44:02 nubbins`: 12x18", yellow and silver on black kraft, edition of 55

22:44:11 mircea_popescu: !up godovo

22:45:14 godovo: danke, but I've got nothing to say

22:45:38 nubbins`: !up ADutchGamer

22:45:38 mircea_popescu: :p

22:45:45 godovo: it is sort of depressing reading the log/blog and understanding how miserable you are

22:45:52 nubbins`: oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today

22:45:54 mircea_popescu: how does that go ?

22:46:08 nubbins`: overall, not a bad start to the week

22:46:11 mircea_popescu: nubbins` global warming affecting coins ?

22:46:24 nubbins`: mircea_popescu the prices are rising faster than the mean global temperature

22:46:36 mircea_popescu: this is easily explained through this mathematical model.

22:47:17 nubbins`: hey, that's the third line of the "what is bitcoin" posters

22:47:52 nubbins`: i treated pascale to a delightful supper of hamburger helper to celebrate

22:47:54 nubbins`: she was thrilled

22:48:02 mircea_popescu: lol

22:48:33 mircea_popescu: what in the huronic demonology is a "hamburger helper"

22:48:36 nubbins`: heh

22:48:42 nubbins`: boxed american-style goulash ;D

22:49:19 nubbins`: http://img1.targetimg1.com/wcsstore/TargetSAS//img/p/13/78/13783548.jpg

22:50:01 mircea_popescu: "our cheesiest flavour" ?!

22:50:56 nubbins`: inorite

22:51:12 nubbins`: in my defense i just made goulash from scratch

22:51:13 mircea_popescu: omfg look at that heresy! wikipedia lists sun radiative output as a causative factor in the first ice age (the one post oxigenation).

22:51:26 nubbins`: that box literally only contains a handful of macaroni and a packet of cheese-flavored powder

22:51:28 nubbins`: that's it

22:51:38 mircea_popescu: what sort of burgeois concilliatory anti-pseudo-scientific nonsense is this! out of wikipedia, the red flanel of the regime!

22:51:51 nubbins`: but they accept btc

22:52:00 mircea_popescu: no, they don't.

22:52:13 mircea_popescu: they accept coinbase or w/e it is

22:52:38 nubbins`: oh, lame.

22:52:44 nubbins`: that's not the same thing at fucking all

22:53:19 mircea_popescu: info@optalysys.com SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<info@optalysys.com>: host mx01.1and1.co.uk [212.227.17.191]: 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

22:53:29 mircea_popescu: fucking idiots these people. why even put a contact email up then.

22:54:02 mircea_popescu: nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ?

22:54:49 nubbins`: it's not

22:55:01 nubbins`: it doesn't even come with the meat

22:55:14 nubbins`: it's just noodles and powdered sodium benzoate

22:55:15 nubbins`: for $4

22:56:20 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nubbins` so how is this better than you know, cooking some meat and boiling some pasta ? << This is what marketing does, convincing people to save time at the store by buying the box and some meat instead off... food

22:56:27 mircea_popescu: on the positive side, i'm getting about one.x fraudsters credit orders a day by now.

22:56:32 mircea_popescu: almost enough to live off

22:56:35 mircea_popescu: in some parts of the world.

22:56:35 nubbins`: not bad

22:56:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56050 @ 0.00073979 = 41.4652 BTC [-] {4}

22:56:51 nubbins`: i'm down to like

22:56:55 *: nubbins` burns a credit to find out

22:57:02 nubbins`: 96!

22:57:09 mircea_popescu: no way ?!

22:57:24 nubbins`: yah, i think i started with over 1k

22:57:29 mircea_popescu: o, ok.

22:57:41 nubbins`: so, thanks for the content, i guess

22:57:56 mircea_popescu: imo it's really a sort of lifetime deal, i have nfi who has the mettle to actually read 10k articles.

22:58:12 mircea_popescu: it's like 100+ books.

22:58:27 nubbins`: hey, we publish books ;D

22:58:33 mircea_popescu: hm. on second thought, i guess most people worth talking to actually read over 100 books.

22:58:48 nubbins`: i read over 100 books by probably the second grade

22:58:59 mircea_popescu: yeah.

22:59:07 mircea_popescu: im starting to grok this.

22:59:07 nubbins`: no longer a common thing, this

22:59:26 mircea_popescu: for instance, suppose you commute or are one of the 100mn+ people that have to keep themselves quietly occupied for 1-2 hours a day.

22:59:30 BingoBoingo: godovo: http://fraudsters.com/2009/visurat-s-a-dat-de-goala/

22:59:31 assbot: Visurat s-a dat de goala. pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

22:59:35 mircea_popescu: well, 1 bitcent on fraudsters is way better value than 10 bux on amzon

22:59:44 nubbins`: oh, that's another thing i noticed about yoorup

22:59:49 nubbins`: people read books on the fuckin metro

22:59:52 mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup, whole trainloads.

23:00:05 nubbins`: it's all phones here

23:00:11 nubbins`: people "checking" their facebook

23:00:14 BigBitz: Heh mircea_popescu you have a fan...

23:00:15 BigBitz: mircea_popescu- (~duwnz@cpe-72-191-13-154.satx.res.rr.com) squatting

23:00:28 mircea_popescu: i knew this chick, her thing was, she'd go through the trains at the end collect discarded books

23:00:36 mircea_popescu: put them on sale for ~1 pound each

23:00:49 mircea_popescu: BigBitz lol thanks god for ident.

23:01:07 BigBitz: :)

23:01:41 nubbins`: not a bad way to make money

23:01:44 mircea_popescu: where is this anyway ?

23:02:03 nubbins`: not in a chan afaics

23:02:06 mircea_popescu: nubbins` her bf had a sort of antique store/fleamarket smorgasbord

23:02:27 mircea_popescu: BigBitz where is this anyway ?

23:02:34 BigBitz: mircea_popescu Freenode, of course.

23:02:36 BigBitz: message him :)

23:02:44 mircea_popescu: i thought some chan

23:02:46 BigBitz: He'll say either "dumb fuck" or "fucking faggot" or something as witty.

23:02:57 BigBitz: He's not in any chan. He's squatting you and trying to scam OTC folks.

23:03:06 mircea_popescu: o pm thing ?

23:03:24 BigBitz: Yup...

23:03:46 nubbins`: ;;google robin williams death

23:03:47 gribble: Robin Williams dead 2014 : Actor killed by celebrity death hoax ...: http://en.mediamass.net/people/robin-williams/deathhoax.html; Robin Williams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Williams; Robin Williams - Actor,Comedian - Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life ...: http://www.biography.com/people/robin-williams-9532797

23:04:24 mircea_popescu: BigBitz tell him to start a blog. then link him to https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3

23:04:24 assbot: Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3

23:04:35 mircea_popescu: then do ;;calc 235.16906445 * mtgoxlast

23:04:51 BigBitz: Please don't tell me these are crazy people who pay to read your blog, mircea_popescu? :)

23:05:01 nubbins`: BigBitz, it was like a dollar!

23:05:05 mircea_popescu: no, the crazies dun wanna pay.

23:05:15 BigBitz: damn crazies.

23:05:17 mircea_popescu: they figure they got enough crazy on their own, don't need fraudsters.

23:05:27 BigBitz: Who owns that address?

23:05:44 nubbins`: BigBitz, mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1VKSYD5

23:05:45 assbot: dpaste: 1VKSYD5

23:05:45 mircea_popescu: it's the fraudsters credits address.

23:05:46 nubbins`: heh

23:06:17 mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's bizarre, why'd he refuse.

23:06:24 BigBitz: LOL

23:07:28 nubbins`: i know, right?

23:07:34 nubbins`: i was ready to send

23:07:56 mircea_popescu: noobs today. can't even scam.

23:08:05 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I dug up that clearsign bot module in pyth here http://pastebin.com/5zKpYbdk

23:08:05 assbot: [Python] cex-bot clearsign - Pastebin.com

23:08:15 mircea_popescu: o hey, danke.

23:08:21 RagnarDanneskjol: mhmm

23:08:45 nubbins`: !up kdomanski

23:08:56 nubbins`: see? i'm un-impostorable

23:09:01 nubbins`-: yeah, you are.

23:09:10 nubbins`: who in the fuck is gonna trade with someone who has a ` and a -

23:09:23 nubbins`-: Mr8====D ?

23:09:31 nubbins`: heh

23:09:40 nubbins`-: * Mr8====D :Erroneous Nickname

23:09:41 nubbins`-: bs.

23:10:02 Mr8-----D: dicknode only allows slimc0x

23:10:27 Mr8-----D: ;;ident

23:10:27 gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Mr8-----D', with hostmask 'Mr8-----D!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None

23:10:40 Mr8-----D: mmkay.

23:12:07 nubbins`: gtk

23:12:15 godovo: mircea_popescu: y u allow people using tor reading your stuff for free?

23:12:35 mircea_popescu: godovo it only works until they run out of credits on the exit nodes.

23:12:36 nubbins`: who needs tor? use anonymouse

23:13:25 nubbins`: hmm, i have like a hundred shirts to print today and it's quarter to nine

23:13:26 godovo: mircea_popescu: there are plenty of nodes

23:13:34 nubbins`: this sounds like a job for...

23:13:41 nubbins`: ;;google lagwagon mr coffee

23:13:42 gribble: LAGWAGON - Mr. Coffee - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiH_zqI9cX0; Mr. Coffee by Lagwagon on Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/track/1f2YbWb6yvRemratzSFQGm; Lagwagon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagwagon

23:13:54 godovo: mircea_popescu: why not blacklist them all?

23:14:01 mircea_popescu: godovo define plenty ?

23:14:25 mircea_popescu: why would i blacklist them ? let people have fun.

23:14:27 godovo: >1k?

23:14:39 mircea_popescu: lol so what's > 1k.

23:14:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23018 @ 0.00073925 = 17.0161 BTC [-]

23:15:37 mircea_popescu: godovo http://fraudsters.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %.

23:15:39 assbot: Awstats and stuff pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

23:15:39 nubbins`: !up godovo

23:16:48 mircea_popescu: moreover, the idea isn't to make it impossible for people to read for free. the idea is to make it not cost effective.

23:17:11 nubbins`: it takes me several credits worth of time to load fraudsters through anonymouse

23:17:58 mircea_popescu: that way, the people whoi can afford to pay, and the people who can't aren't hussled. best of both worlds.

23:18:11 nubbins`: oh dammit i forgot about the bread

23:18:18 cazalla: that moment when you realise it cost you more of your time to find proxies to read fraudsters.com than 0.01

23:18:18 nubbins`: it rose and fell :(

23:18:31 godovo: cazalla: 0.01 is a lot

23:18:45 nubbins`: no it's not

23:18:53 nubbins`: that's a pint of ben & jerry's

23:19:08 godovo: not when you're buying coin with all the cash you have

23:19:19 nubbins`: who in the fuck would buy coins

23:19:46 BingoBoingo: godovo: 0.1 is like over 9000 credits, lasts me a few months

23:19:51 mircea_popescu: bubbins`> oh, and i sold a couple casascius coins for a record-high price today <<

23:20:01 nubbins`: :D

23:20:14 nubbins`: selling is the new buying

23:20:29 mircea_popescu: what, nobody bought, you just sold ? what are you, the us fed ?

23:20:31 cazalla: i'd rather suck dicks than sell tbh

23:20:44 mircea_popescu: i'd rather sell people dicks to suck.

23:20:44 godovo: ^

23:21:11 nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i still don't know who in the fuck would buy them ;D

23:21:15 nubbins`: i'm surprised every time

23:21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : YOU BOUGHT THEM

23:22:01 nubbins`: tbf i phrased improperly earlier, i meant who in the fuck would buy btc

23:22:10 nubbins`: with "in this day and age!" implied

23:22:26 *: asciilifeform gets this; can't bring himself to actually -spend- btc on anything.

23:22:32 nubbins`: who in the fuck would buy actual clinky coins? collectors

23:22:46 mircea_popescu: nubbins` everyone who wants to remain relevant going forward.

23:23:07 nubbins`: all those people should already have btc ;(

23:23:11 mircea_popescu: orly.

23:23:16 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'being relevant going forward' needs metal coins ?

23:23:19 nubbins`: it's 2014!

23:23:27 mircea_popescu: because nobody was too fucking smart to ditch something awful and suck our cock instead. like, ever.

23:23:27 kakobrekla: !up mjr_

23:23:46 mircea_popescu: like, when sec got told what to do, it just... did it, none of that "we're too good to do what our betters tell us to do"

23:23:50 nubbins`: asciilifeform i think this is one of those parallel discussions

23:23:53 mircea_popescu: !up LitecoinSchadenf

23:24:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he clarified he meant btc

23:24:05 mjr_: hi all

23:24:09 asciilifeform: aha

23:24:09 mircea_popescu: hey mjr_

23:24:13 mjr_: whats new?

23:24:13 LitecoinSchadenf: LTC/Doge in the tank - so happy

23:24:19 mjr_: was having trouble getting to mpex.co

23:24:21 mircea_popescu: under a bitcent huh.

23:24:27 nubbins`: mjr_ mpex.ws

23:24:27 mircea_popescu: mjr_ when did you last try ?

23:24:30 mjr_: i'm out of the loop as usual, so figured i would check here

23:24:37 mircea_popescu: ;;isdown mpex.co

23:24:37 gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.

23:24:42 nubbins`: mpex.co hasn't worked for me in ages

23:24:43 mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown mpex.co

23:24:44 gribble: mpex.co is down

23:24:48 mircea_popescu: o no fucking way

23:24:53 mjr_: You don't have permission to access / on this server.

23:24:53 mjr_: Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

23:24:55 nubbins`: at least a few days

23:24:55 cazalla: LitecoinSchadenf, it's just the start too :P

23:25:08 LitecoinSchadenf: yup! :)

23:25:08 mjr_: ah ok, thanks guys

23:25:13 nubbins`: maybe that's why it couldn't find my public key ;D

23:25:33 godovo: will be interesting to see a cryptocoin stop having any value

23:25:34 mircea_popescu: well it was working for a while, actually.

23:25:41 mircea_popescu: but seems some proxies died a thousand deaths.

23:25:55 mjr_: ooh, i seem to have missed a lot

23:25:57 LitecoinSchadenf: http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/

23:25:59 assbot: The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)

23:26:16 xmj: take mises with a large tablespoon of salt please

23:26:20 BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud

23:26:40 mjr_: LitecoinSchadenf: I can only hope...

23:26:46 nubbins`: so after ~40 hours the cop guard outside next door moved along

23:26:55 mjr_: i LOL'd so hard at Stellar...

23:26:57 nubbins`: guess that means the death wasn't a homicide

23:26:59 The20YearIRCloud: When I grow up ill vnc to my office and up myself

23:27:11 mjr_: not because it is obviously a scam, but because they didn't even try to disguise it

23:27:43 mjr_: the altcoin market is very much like the tech bubble in the 90's...

23:27:55 mjr_: almost impossible to short, because stocks are hard to find

23:28:04 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I believe The20YearIRCloud called you old

23:28:05 LitecoinSchadenf: what's your issue with the MIses Circle/Nakamoto Institute?

23:28:22 The20YearIRCloud: I did?

23:28:24 BingoBoingo: %t

23:28:26 atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 191 Ask: 250 Last Price: 191 24h-Vol: 342k High: 200 Low: 187 VWAP: 198

23:28:28 BingoBoingo: %d

23:28:31 atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1783050.20 in 336 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 279.74

23:28:37 mjr_: ok, i reread the FAQ, where are DERPS explained (i get it obviously, its stupid businesses, hence the name DERP)

23:28:45 *: asciilifeform still waiting for an alt that isn't an obvious premine scam

23:28:49 pete_dushenski: ;;nethash

23:28:50 gribble: 177066673.252

23:29:12 mjr_: asciilifeform: you will be waiting quite a while...

23:29:24 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vnc << lol

23:29:24 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there was that one that tested out how btc would behave when all new coins were mined.

23:29:32 pete_dushenski: can't remember the name now

23:29:40 nubbins`: ;;google derps site:fraudsters.com

23:29:40 gribble: Introducing F.DERP pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/2014/introducing-fderp/; Further derps - fraudsters: http://fraudsters.com/2014/further-derps-dbstp-dcbse-dcifi-dokco-dxapo/; F.DERP pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: http://fraudsters.com/category/fderp/

23:29:41 mjr_: personally, i think that if it were about "your idea" and "your idea" had value, it would be incorporated into bitcoin...

23:29:46 mircea_popescu: mjr_ nah that's not it at all. it's much more like the online scam "industry", ie, 90% of volume is self-trading.

23:29:49 godovo: pete_dushenski: how did it end?

23:29:50 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What about Altcoin?

23:29:51 mircea_popescu: point in case, the eth launch

23:30:07 *: asciilifeform loves the presumed-winblows that always pops up in random n0obs' comments

23:30:07 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: there's a point

23:30:14 mjr_: mircea_popescu: but you can short some of those...nowadays it is a lot easier to short, and easy to borrow stock in order to do so

23:30:35 mircea_popescu: no you can't. im talking of the hyip crap. where do you think all these forum-ceos are coming from ?

23:30:44 pete_dushenski: godovo: afaik it was useful, if not profitable, the former quality being a first in the history of altcoins

23:31:13 mjr_: mircea_popescu: I meant you can short almost all stocks today, you couldn't in the 90's tech bubble.

23:31:13 mjr_: You can't short the alts, because there is no trustworthy lender, because they are all scams...

23:31:27 The20YearIRCloud: Just about

23:31:37 mjr_: if you care about your idea, and your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin

23:31:41 nubbins`: mjr_, try using bitbet :D

23:31:46 mircea_popescu: you can' tshort them because there is nobody buying them lol/

23:32:02 mjr_: ah, P.T. Barnum said that a sucker is born every minute

23:32:09 mircea_popescu: otherwise one could short them either as futures (like i am trying to shoirt eth/doge)

23:32:10 mjr_: nubbins`: thanks for the tip

23:32:12 mircea_popescu: or yeah, on bitbet.

23:32:20 mjr_: that is what i meant

23:32:27 godovo: mircea_popescu: btw, any takers on the eth "deal"?

23:32:31 mircea_popescu: but inasmuch as the market for them is exactly 0... there's no way to short. nor do they have any \value

23:32:33 asciilifeform: mjr_: '... your idea is good, it will prob be added into bitcoin' << there is a set of ideas that are only 'good', from the point of view of their proponents, if other people are (made to) use them.

23:32:36 mjr_: i want to either get puts, sell futures, or borrow and sell

23:32:39 mircea_popescu: godovo buncha people want to talk about it.

23:32:43 xmj: too bad bitcoin-derivates don't do naked shorts.

23:32:46 asciilifeform: see 'demurrage' and the like

23:32:54 mjr_: that is not a good idea

23:32:57 mjr_: but i get your point

23:33:01 asciilifeform: good for the scammer.

23:33:02 godovo: mircea_popescu: I bet they want "guarantees" or escrow

23:33:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that's not really what a good idea is now is it.

23:33:07 mircea_popescu: godovo nope.

23:33:19 mjr_: what i meant is that IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea

23:33:22 mjr_: it would make it into bitcoin

23:33:26 godovo: mircea_popescu: what's there to talk about then?

23:33:35 mjr_: but you wouldn't be able to boost your ego, or scam people into paying you

23:33:36 mircea_popescu: godovo beats me. look through the logs, it's all there.

23:33:37 xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: you know what i really find funny about Misesians?

23:33:55 xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: they'll predictably bash ANY non-gold{,silver} currency.

23:33:57 mircea_popescu: mjr_ there's very little ideas to be had and very many people who like to tell themselves htey have ideas.

23:34:00 mjr_: so the only rationale is that "the idea isn't good", or "i don't want to give away the idea without scamming people for money and boosting my ego"

23:34:07 xmj: LitecoinSchadenf: I've seen it Time and Time again.

23:34:11 mjr_: that is my point mircea_popescu

23:34:15 xmj: Misesians don't understand Human Action

23:34:16 godovo: will do

23:34:19 *: xmj chuckles

23:34:23 mjr_: IF the idea was good, you wouldn't need to launch an alt

23:34:33 mjr_: if your motives were pure, you wouldn't need to launch an alt

23:34:34 mircea_popescu: somehow ever since good old productive labour became something for niggers and mexicans, the ontological hope of all usians is inextricably tied to "ideas" and "Creativity" and "being famous" etc.

23:34:55 xmj: mjr_: that assumes things get into Bitcoin on a Meritocratic base.

23:35:08 mjr_: hmmm, if all miners want it, it happens

23:35:09 xmj: welcome to #reality, this is not how committees work.

23:35:15 mjr_: there are more than 1 implementation

23:35:18 kakobrekla: now xapo is sending out spam. lol.

23:35:36 mjr_: if bitcoinj btcd etc decide to do it

23:35:41 mjr_: bitcoind has to follow

23:35:44 xmj: mircea_popescu: "good old productive labor" do you mean dirty menial work?

23:36:28 mjr_: so, the heteroculture of bitcoin can act as a deterrent to any one group being able to dictate

23:36:35 pete_dushenski: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/15479/jerry-bear-using-bitcoin-help-children-type-1-diabetes/

23:36:35 assbot: Jerry the Bear Using Bitcoin to Help Children With Type 1 Diabetes Bitcoin Magazine

23:36:48 xmj: mjr_: not really

23:36:58 xmj: demons isn't where it's at; mining pools.

23:37:33 mjr_: demons?

23:37:42 nubbins`: using bitcoin to help children with type 1 diabetes

23:37:46 mjr_: don't want to get into religion

23:37:48 mjr_: ;)

23:38:09 pete_dushenski: nubbins`: isn't it all for the children?

23:38:21 asciilifeform: IF the community who uses bitcoin pretty much unanimously like your idea it would make it into bitcoin << increasingly less likely with every idiot-alt.

23:38:25 nubbins`: it's all for the prescient

23:38:59 asciilifeform: paging herr naggum!

23:39:02 asciilifeform: '...people who hate parts of the language, some of the people who created it, or some of the process that created it, who hold personal grudges they cannot let go of, or who think the best way to "improve" the language is to stay in the community and spread negativity and tear down everybody else's enthusiasm, do just that. No improvement at all will take place when such negativity rules because everybody is af

23:39:02 asciilifeform: raid that if they open up for any change at all, the destructive forces will win and the language they love will be destroyed by the hatemongers and destroyers who seek only their own personal revenge over feature wars lost. And that is precisely the case with Common Lisp. Strong negative forces want to reverse several decisions and threaten to destabilize the language, so in order to maintain the necessary pe

23:39:02 asciilifeform: ace that will allow developers to use this language at all, _nothing_ happens. By mounting a constant attack on the standards process, the nutcases who are never going to be happy with the language, anyway, ensure that their negative attitude keeps everyone else from being happy and becoming happier, too.'

23:39:11 asciilifeform: (http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3208226254834485@naggum.net.html)

23:39:45 asciilifeform: we're re-living history, in a way. the sane folks are ever less likely to 'reopen the btcd standard' with every passing day of derp.

23:39:47 xmj: mjr_: yes, well, what do you think the 'd' in btcd and bitcoind stands for?

23:39:52 xmj: hint: it's not Depressed.

23:40:57 kakobrekla: o i got this one, its 'doom'

23:41:12 xmj: no no, that's altcoind

23:41:41 mjr_: daemon?

23:41:47 mjr_: as in a background process?

23:41:55 mjr_: not demon, as in a malevolent spiritual entity?

23:42:18 pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: no more 10k btc ipos, no more 20% increases . o wait << such gold

23:42:18 mjr_: either way, people vote with their mining power

23:42:22 xmj: *shrug* yes

23:42:26 mjr_: ok...

23:42:30 xmj: hence 'mining pools' over 'daemons'

23:42:34 mjr_: so when that pool got over 51%

23:42:38 mjr_: bitcoin failed right?

23:42:38 The20YearIRCloud: I want to IPO

23:42:48 mjr_: oh...the market responded and they capped themselves at 40

23:42:56 mjr_: so, if things need to change, they change

23:43:08 mjr_: this is not academic, like python 3 vs python 2

23:43:11 mjr_: this is money

23:43:24 mjr_: and once people start hurting in the wallet, they move quick

23:43:37 mjr_: considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months

23:43:47 mjr_: i don't think we have this calcification that you point to

23:43:53 mjr_: the only question is WHICH changes

23:44:01 xmj: py3 vs py2 is not academic either

23:44:05 mjr_: and that right now is based on who makes the most convincing argument

23:44:10 mjr_: that is 100% academic

23:44:13 mjr_: most use python 2

23:44:15 xmj: god no

23:44:20 mjr_: the creator wants them to use python 3

23:44:28 mjr_: they don't

23:44:31 xmj: most companies use py2 because it a) works and b) you can hire developers fluent in py2 easily.

23:44:31 mjr_: and won't

23:44:35 mjr_: yes exactly

23:44:36 xmj: economics.

23:44:44 mjr_: even though the creator has stated he wants people to move to 3

23:44:49 mjr_: so...

23:44:49 asciilifeform: bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << what are the miners running?

23:44:53 asciilifeform: that'd be the standard

23:44:55 xmj: he can want that all day long :)

23:44:57 mjr_: he can't change things by fiat, the market rules what he does

23:45:01 asciilifeform: not the phoundation turd

23:45:06 xmj: asciilifeform: Thank you for reiterating my point.

23:45:12 mjr_: that is exactly my point

23:45:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> paging herr naggum! << change is not generally a good idea.

23:45:22 mjr_: the market decides how and when and in what ways bitcoin changes

23:45:36 mjr_: not some guy at a foundation

23:45:45 mjr_: which is why, IF it needs to change, it will change

23:46:03 mjr_: what are the miners running?

23:46:08 mircea_popescu: enter about 50 years of sterile "social studies" on the topic of how a bureaucracy is much better.

23:46:20 mjr_: lol

23:46:30 mjr_: markets are the most efficient way to get to optimum

23:46:46 mjr_: and they have a way of cutting through bullshit, and that was my only point

23:47:04 mjr_: if the idea behind an alt was so good, the market would have selected it to be included in bitcoin already

23:47:13 pete_dushenski: punkman: "This is great transparency, Vitalik. You're setting the right standards" << a shining beacon of derpitude

23:47:15 mjr_: there is no need to launch an alt

23:47:49 BingoBoingo: !up godovo lulz mine

23:47:56 mircea_popescu: <mjr_> considering the bitcoin standard gets changed around once every 2 months << i have nfi what you're on about, it's noit changed since 2011.

23:47:56 mjr_: perhaps that point was missed...but basically alts are pointless, because bitcoin can adopt anything they can invent IF it is useful enough to be adopted

23:48:03 mjr_: ok...

23:48:07 mjr_: so bitcoin addresses

23:48:12 mjr_: instead of ip addresses

23:48:18 mjr_: messaging fields

23:48:28 mjr_: i can refer you to the latest release notes if you like

23:48:35 mjr_: and you can runn a diff on the code if you want

23:48:43 mircea_popescu: i can refer you to some random bathroom stall ? what of it ?

23:48:47 pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: looks like your login succeeded, i have no idea right this moment why the request timed out. <<bring on the muffins!

23:48:55 asciilifeform: btc is probably, for better or worse, frozen solid.

23:49:00 mjr_: i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011

23:49:26 asciilifeform: because the burden of proof on anybody pushing a 'pheature' to demonstrate that he isn't slipping in a semantic - or syntactic - pwnh0le - is just about impossible to meet.

23:49:27 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and more so with every passing petahash

23:49:31 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the english language'd have benefited immensely had it been frozen solid when handed off to the nutty colonists cca 1700.

23:50:07 mircea_popescu: mjr_ it's not meaningfully different or else it wouldn't be able to run.

23:50:29 mircea_popescu: you can translte the miner';s desire to "runn different code" in the flurry of idiotic "revolutionary" nonsense imbeciles like molecular are pushing on the forum.

23:50:44 mircea_popescu: there's an entire class of them, occasionally i bitchslap them into the abyss, but whatever.

23:50:44 mjr_: ...bitcoin addresses are actually meaningfully different from IP addresses

23:50:47 asciilifeform: an improvement, even if genuine, will be condemned to grind out a meagre existence as an altchain.

23:50:54 mjr_: and there are certain things you CANNOT do anymore which you COULD before

23:50:55 mircea_popescu: <mjr_> i am saying that the code that is running on some mining machines is not the same code that ran in 2011 <<< this.

23:51:11 mjr_: so to say that it hasn't changed is flat out wrong

23:51:15 mircea_popescu: that's fine. narrowing is always fine.

23:51:20 mjr_: you can say that the core features that you find useful have not changed

23:51:25 mjr_: and perhaps they never will

23:51:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds perfect, really.

23:51:34 BingoBoingo: !up Jezzz Good Boy!

23:51:41 mjr_: but that isn't to say that extraneous features aren't removed, or stupid ones added

23:51:52 mircea_popescu: mjr_ yes, it is to say exactly that.

23:52:05 mjr_: you agree that it narrowed, that some features were removed

23:52:13 mjr_: but you also say that no, no features are removed?

23:52:23 mircea_popescu: understand, if some kid somehwere adds a condom to his parent's the tv set, this is exactly meaningless to television.

23:52:34 mjr_: ok, and yet i don't like condoms on my tv sets

23:52:38 mjr_: so I notice a difference

23:52:43 mircea_popescu: narrowing fundamentally means those features never actually existed.

23:52:46 mjr_: no, they did

23:52:54 mjr_: that is like saying bankrupt companies never existed

23:52:57 mjr_: they clearly did

23:53:00 mjr_: and then they didn't

23:53:09 mircea_popescu: if i let you live in my garage because i'm too lazy to kick you out today, that doesn't mean the garage is your home.

23:53:20 mjr_: does it have all the elements that i would look for in a home?

23:53:21 mircea_popescu: you may understandably wish to misrepresent it as such. nevertheless... it is not.

23:53:23 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes Login seems borked.

23:53:38 mjr_: i say if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, its a duck

23:53:39 mircea_popescu: same thing with bs "features" that meanwhile got thrown out, same thing with bs features the spyteam has been trying to insert.

23:53:43 mjr_: i agree

23:53:46 mjr_: not useful

23:53:51 mjr_: BUT still available to be used

23:53:56 mjr_: for example

23:54:06 mjr_: have you heard of multisig? it was not enabled, now it is

23:54:09 mircea_popescu: a gun is available to be used somewhere. it may even be used by mike hearn.

23:54:10 mjr_: that is a difference

23:54:16 mircea_popescu: that won't make the gun aprt of bitcoin.

23:54:17 mjr_: ok, fair enough

23:54:24 mjr_: tell me multisig is not a thing, and i concede

23:54:31 mircea_popescu: multisig is not a thing.

23:54:34 mjr_: tell me i can't craft a multisig transaction right now

23:54:39 mjr_: that will be accepted by the network

23:54:44 mjr_: valid per bitcoin rules

23:54:48 mircea_popescu: luke is trying to pretend like it is. that matters in the sense luke trying to pretend obama is jesus matters.

23:54:56 mjr_: ok, let me try broadcasting one

23:54:58 xmj: you can't craft a multisig transaction right now that will be accepted by the network valid per bitcoin rules

23:55:03 mjr_: and when it is rejected you are right

23:55:06 xmj: gnihihi

23:55:09 mjr_: you can

23:55:17 mjr_: it is done NOW

23:55:19 xmj: mjr_: you wanted someone to tell you that

23:55:34 mjr_: i'm saying that you can bury your head in the sand, it doesn't mean that reality ceases to exist

23:55:39 mircea_popescu: ...

23:55:40 TheNewDeal: mjr_ pix or it dint happen

23:55:47 mjr_: there was a point where you could not do a multisig

23:55:49 mjr_: now you can

23:55:52 mjr_: that is a difference

23:55:58 mjr_: i don't give a shit how you try to spin that

23:56:03 mircea_popescu: mjr_ the day you can withdraw mpex funds to a multisig address i might care.

23:56:04 mjr_: it is an obvious difference

23:56:08 mircea_popescu: that day isn't here yet.

23:56:13 mjr_: ok, that is your personal choice

23:56:21 xmj: eheheh

23:56:21 mjr_: and your personal choice is not the bitcoin network rules

23:56:25 mircea_popescu: the fact you can make proper payments out of your braindamaged 3whatever also doesnt matter

23:56:27 mjr_: the rules changed

23:56:37 mjr_: i don't care...yuo said the protocol hadn't changed

23:56:38 mircea_popescu: your "multisig" thing is only relevant inasmuch you can actually pay out of it.

23:56:43 mjr_: which you can do

23:56:45 mircea_popescu: it hasn't dood.

23:56:45 mjr_: using the blockchain

23:56:56 mjr_: i really don't see how you can say that

23:56:59 mircea_popescu: suppose some kids decide they will have a cocksucking mining contest.

23:56:59 pete_dushenski: bats_cd03: oops: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a420193.pdf re: composite materials in aircraft incidents involving fire << nice find!

23:57:02 mjr_: unless you mean something different

23:57:02 mircea_popescu: has mining now changed ?

23:57:09 mircea_popescu: because some kids somewhere are blowing each other on the machines ?

23:57:10 mjr_: yes

23:57:12 mjr_: it has

23:57:14 mircea_popescu: eh get out.

23:57:14 mjr_: because before

23:57:17 mjr_: miners would reject that

23:57:20 mjr_: now they accept that

23:57:26 mjr_: that would be the textbook definition of a change

23:57:30 mjr_: how about a simpler one

23:57:32 mircea_popescu: no.

23:57:37 mjr_: you couldn't do tx of a certain size before

23:57:37 TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu did http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/17577cd6133ae129f98be3aefd072d3c0d59d84fe32de02cab9746b970dd8b49 on this game https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/22/activity/ win the double your wager prize?

23:57:38 assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!

23:57:39 mjr_: now you can

23:57:39 mircea_popescu: the day I AM FORCED TO ACCEPT IT something changed.

23:57:47 mircea_popescu: until that day. have fun and i don't care.

23:57:56 mjr_: i never said you had to care

23:57:58 mjr_: or even notice

23:58:03 mircea_popescu: so it never changed.

23:58:04 mjr_: i said that you can use the subset of features

23:58:06 mjr_: and ignore the rest

23:58:15 mircea_popescu: if math changes and 2 + 3 = 6 instead, then that's a change.

23:58:25 mjr_: that doesn't mean it hasn't changed, you conflate backwards compatible with identical

23:58:28 mircea_popescu: if people decide to write 2+3 as 3+2 from now on, that's just a fashion

23:58:28 xmj: nah

23:58:36 mircea_popescu: backwards compatible is identical.

23:58:43 mjr_: i can run 32 bit programs on my 64 bit machine

23:58:46 mjr_: not identical

23:58:49 xmj: bullshit

23:58:52 mjr_: or are we arguing the defintion of identical

23:58:54 xmj: well, too bad mircea_popescu is ignoring me

23:58:56 mircea_popescu: apparently.

23:59:02 mjr_: identical means there is no difference

23:59:04 xmj: A works on B doesn't imply B works on A

23:59:05 mircea_popescu: so what if i hexedit the gui and make it pink

23:59:10 mjr_: i can run diff on the code and it comes out "no changes"

23:59:15 mircea_popescu: has bitcoin protcol now changed because pink gui ?

23:59:17 xmj: necessary and sufficient conditions, all over

23:59:19 mjr_: yes

23:59:21 mjr_: that is a change

23:59:26 mjr_: 100% certainly

23:59:26 mircea_popescu: yeah well that's nutty.

23:59:31 mjr_: may be, but it is a change

23:59:40 mjr_: to say that the color...changed, but there was no change

23:59:42 mircea_popescu: aite, go ahead an' change the world.

23:59:44 mjr_: is logically impossible