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00:30:41 asciilifeform: 'Building a secure multisignature escrow service' << will this crud never die

00:30:55 mircea_popescu: never.

00:34:19 asciilifeform: but with strange eons!11

00:34:43 asciilifeform: i suppose death may die, but never idiocy.

00:37:45 asciilifeform: http://www.demotix.com/news/5506846/police-destroys-37-tons-seized-drugs-chacarita-cemetery << oldie, re: the mega-graveyard

00:37:45 assbot: Police destroys 3,7 tons of seized drugs at Chacarita Cemetery | Demotix.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1VLyLmP )

00:38:16 mircea_popescu: prolly cayuse only place with big enough crematorium

00:40:09 asciilifeform: reminds me of a tale from the lab chief at my first job, at u.s. nih. when he inherited the grounds, there was cocaine left over from the last fella. who was busted because not all of it could be accounted for. the new lab had nothing to do with cocaine, and

00:40:19 asciilifeform: and the fella wanted to be rid of the stash

00:40:25 asciilifeform: but no industrial disposal corp. would accept it

00:40:31 asciilifeform: liability far too great

00:40:50 asciilifeform: eventually he contracted with a proper crematorium

00:41:06 asciilifeform: which happily accepted it and, iirc, filmed the proceedings.

00:41:26 mircea_popescu: sounda b out reight

00:41:42 asciilifeform: this was, i was told a multi-kg stash of synthesis-grade reagent.

01:26:23 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 163900 @ 0.00049019 = 80.3421 BTC [-]

02:10:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33120 @ 0.00049375 = 16.353 BTC [+]

02:35:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90400 @ 0.00049019 = 44.3132 BTC [-]

04:36:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35550 @ 0.00048334 = 17.1827 BTC [-]

05:27:21 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108600 @ 0.00048921 = 53.1282 BTC [+]

06:39:32 mircea_popescu: !up GoonClooney

06:39:37 mircea_popescu: !up villan

09:37:23 wyrdmantis: Hello Asseters!

10:05:30 jurov: hi wyrdmantis

10:05:37 jurov: !up AmbitionzAzARida

10:05:47 jurov: !up GoonClooney

11:45:17 punkman: http://modernfarmer.com/2014/01/illustrated-account-great-maple-syrup-heist/

11:45:18 assbot: An Illustrated Account of the Great Maple Syrup Heist - Modern Farmer ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAVkdy )

12:10:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71600 @ 0.00048727 = 34.8885 BTC [-]

12:25:19 mircea_popescu: hello wyrdmantis

13:51:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00048681 = 11.0019 BTC [-]

14:13:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45092 @ 0.00048727 = 21.972 BTC [+]

14:39:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00048727 = 11.3534 BTC [+]

15:34:41 deedbot-: [fraudsters] El Defloreador tum tum tudum tum-tum! - http://fraudsters.com/2015/el-defloreador-tum-tum-tudum-tum-tum/

15:56:44 asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2015/10/apple-search-15-mc-01902-jo.pdf >>> http://dpaste.com/3CQNCBA << mega-l0l

15:56:46 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1jiN7iL )

15:56:48 assbot: dpaste: 3CQNCBA ... ( http://bit.ly/1jiN7iU )

15:57:17 asciilifeform: re: cokemachine.

16:15:26 punkman: how's that related to cokemachine?

16:15:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40249 @ 0.00048425 = 19.4906 BTC [-] {4}

16:40:39 *: mircea_popescu too.

17:15:04 asciilifeform: it is a continuation of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285749

17:15:04 assbot: Logged on 25-09-2015 20:08:43; trinque: http://volokh.com/2012/01/24/encrytion-and-the-fifth-amendment-right-against-self-incrimination/ << wherein he agrees that the govt "knowing that you know" the password is sufficient to obviate pleading the 5th

18:03:35 mircea_popescu: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/facebook-implement-bitcoin-payments-advertising-platform/ << "rumors" lol.

18:03:36 assbot: Facebook to implement Bitcoin Payments on their Advertising Platform? - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2dfmZ )

18:04:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that nonsense is of any interest rly. ever since ashcroft usg has been putting forth all sorts of spurious claims.

18:12:24 phf: "sir, we have here a warrant to search your memory palace"

18:15:21 mircea_popescu: this is the sunday psa that eulora needs more noobs.

18:16:30 phf: "are the are any seditious thoughts on the premisses, that we need to know about"

18:17:11 mircea_popescu: poor "need". that word's so beaten up these days.

18:19:58 phf: heh, i didn't even notice, the entire form was making me uneasy, but it's that casual "need" that's probably the worst part

18:20:53 mircea_popescu: "sir, i'll need you to..."

18:21:32 mircea_popescu: it's so badly contorted, for one thing it's anything but a need, for the other why the fuck are you so affraid of me you need to start by lying.

18:23:24 mircea_popescu: libtard socialism ftw, needs are respectable wants are criminal so let's pretend like we need shit we must have.

18:29:25 phf: it's also removal of agency, need is something that happens to you, like "i need you to fill this out for me" has the "just doing my job, sir". as opposed to russian "you must fill this out" where the power dynamic is explicit

18:31:04 phf: although often mocked "you don't understand, i needed to do this". oh you needed, that changes everything

18:32:36 mircea_popescu: aha

18:36:49 mircea_popescu: https://ers.trendmicro.com/reputations/legitimate/ << herp.

18:36:51 assbot: Trend Micro Email Reputation Services ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVkeYb )

18:49:59 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b49285981a21f4dc5e26ca31d314ffca/tumblr_nlgw6rdtyi1tkz70so1_1280.jpg

18:50:00 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WVkWVe )

19:03:06 hdbuck: !s mircea_popescu in other words

19:03:07 assbot: 90 results for 'mircea_popescu in other words' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mircea_popescu+in+other+words

19:03:52 hdbuck: jesus

19:04:10 mircea_popescu: did you mean in other news ?

19:04:23 hdbuck: yes ^^

19:04:45 hdbuck: !s in other news

19:04:46 assbot: 736 results for 'in other news' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=in+other+news

19:05:49 hdbuck: ah and i thought 90 results was quite much already.

19:09:22 hdbuck: mircea_popescu when is the next b-a gathering?

19:10:00 mircea_popescu: nothing's been announced to date.\

19:28:30 jurov: http://foswiki.org/Tasks/Item13812 today another chapter of "world goes to shit"

19:28:31 assbot: Item13812: Foswiki 2.0 useless without javascript < Tasks < Foswiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1PooBsB )

19:31:06 mod6: neat, just did an autobuild of rotor + TEST2 via V. build was successful, running and pulling blocks. :]

19:39:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55950 @ 0.00048118 = 26.922 BTC [-] {2}

19:51:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00048224 = 4.8706 BTC [+]

20:00:10 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296367 << the part that looks like 'lying' is actually a cargo cult thereof.

20:00:10 assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 18:21:32; mircea_popescu: it's so badly contorted, for one thing it's anything but a need, for the other why the fuck are you so affraid of me you need to start by lying.

20:00:41 asciilifeform: (normally when one properly lies, it is with some effort to be believed)

20:01:44 asciilifeform: as it is, western/non-orc bureaucrats use ceremonial language dating to a time when cooperation was a (comparatively) voluntary thing

20:03:28 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296360 << wat. since wickard vs filburn at least !

20:03:28 assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 18:04:22; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that nonsense is of any interest rly. ever since ashcroft usg has been putting forth all sorts of spurious claims.

20:04:23 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296361 << laugh, but this is being actively pursued with 'fmri' and related apparatus.

20:04:23 assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 18:12:24; phf: "sir, we have here a warrant to search your memory palace"

20:04:44 asciilifeform: there are already freislers at work, crafting 'legal framework' for it.

20:06:09 asciilifeform: afaik, the most audacious claim to date is that the machine can tell if the victim has seen a particular object previously.

20:06:41 asciilifeform: folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use.

20:07:23 asciilifeform: intimidation of chumps, as in 'lie detector', will take care of two thirds of the 'patients'

20:07:36 asciilifeform: while the remainder can be parallel-constructed, accidented, etc. into their place.

20:08:04 ben_vulpes: it is the only hope for the lie detector replacement

20:08:11 ben_vulpes: and will likely suffer the same public humiliations

20:08:13 punkman: just an update for current lie detector

20:08:22 asciilifeform: not actually being pursued for this

20:08:29 ben_vulpes: as 'dna evidence' is atm

20:08:36 asciilifeform: the 'voodoo intimidation value' of the old-fashioned kind is, afaik, thought to suffice

20:08:52 punkman: people still believe in the old model

20:08:56 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes has it, it will be another 'dna evidence'

20:09:05 ben_vulpes: the whole legal/scientocratic edifice is shaking apart as the science part more trivially debunkable.

20:09:11 punkman: but I think new version will need to include "quantum" and stuff

20:09:11 ben_vulpes: grows more*

20:09:11 asciilifeform: or rather, speaking more generally, yet another kind of fingerprint.

20:09:23 asciilifeform: punkman: it already includes quantum voodoo!

20:09:25 asciilifeform: see 'SQUID' etc

20:09:50 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fingerprints were 'debunked' in the 1900s

20:10:05 asciilifeform: yet still used in virtually every country

20:10:17 asciilifeform: because - for the actual, rather than stated purpose - they work great.

20:10:23 asciilifeform: (extracting confession)

20:10:37 ben_vulpes: sure, people threaten each other with random shit all the time.

20:11:44 ben_vulpes: and generally the big stick works.

20:11:51 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00048224 = 9.8618 BTC [+]

20:11:57 asciilifeform: interestingly, even a very small stick works..

20:12:15 ben_vulpes: but when the voodoo is known to everyone as voodoo, which the left will *ensure* happens with the DNA saga

20:12:23 ben_vulpes: (see "institutional racism" thread)

20:12:34 ben_vulpes: the threat of voodoo won't work anymore.

20:12:42 ben_vulpes: "i'm going to poke this doll image of you!"

20:12:49 ben_vulpes: "lolk. my lawyer plz."

20:12:55 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: last i saw, the u.s. left loves dna test. so long as it is mainly used to exonerate blacks

20:13:44 ben_vulpes: http://www.npr.org/2015/10/09/447202433/-great-pause-among-forensic-scientists-as-dna-proves-fallible << latest chapter

20:13:45 assbot: 'Great Pause' Among Prosecutors As DNA Proves Fallible : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1R61Bgk )

20:14:26 asciilifeform: precisely as happened with fingerprints.

20:14:31 ben_vulpes: i'd love to see "1/30 odds convicts whitey but not his darker friends"

20:14:53 asciilifeform: phun phakt: most fingerprint database is entirely unusable for any practical purpose whatsoever.

20:14:59 ben_vulpes: just because some derpy whites succumb to intimidation does not mean dna framing still works. it works on derpy blacks too, what of it?

20:15:32 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: see famous case with portland lawyer that the incompetents in the usg wanted to frame for the madrid bombings.

20:15:37 ben_vulpes: DIDN'T WORK

20:15:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play

20:15:58 ben_vulpes: that formula being?

20:16:39 asciilifeform: http://www.businessinsider.com/antonin-scalia-says-executing-the-innocent-is-constitutional-2014-9

20:16:40 assbot: Antonin Scalia Says Executing The Innocent Is Constitutional - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1R61Gke )

20:16:50 asciilifeform: it was, iirc, 'innocence is not a constitutional bar to punishment'

20:17:44 ben_vulpes: i'm sure goebbels etc had some variant too

20:17:59 ben_vulpes: whoever ran those "courts"

20:20:06 ben_vulpes: anyways, the notion that the us courts have the mandate to execute people or have any other stort of effect on the world is long past its sell by date

20:20:23 ben_vulpes: yes they'll continue stomping on the poor and disenfranchised.

20:20:41 ben_vulpes: no, they won't do anything to anyone cheating emissions tests.

20:37:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lulzily, usg agrees!

20:37:25 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: which is why more and more of its actual muscle is extrajudicial

20:43:29 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, today i went into a shop and saw a type of chumpatronic contrivance for which i do not know the name:

20:44:40 asciilifeform: there was a row of apple portables, and some had high-res lcd (sold as 'retina' trade name) while others had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such; instead, they were atrocious, with what looked like triangular pixels, dithering visible to the naked eye;

20:44:44 asciilifeform: like an old vhs camera viewfinder

20:44:56 asciilifeform: my first thought was that these are not intended to actually sell

20:45:06 asciilifeform: but instead to prod people to the costlier 'high res' variant

20:46:38 asciilifeform: my other thought was that it is even possible that both variants used physically-identical components and the cheaper one was somehow crippled in software.

20:55:09 oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/hotbroiler/

20:55:10 assbot: Hot Broiler ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qjo5ud )

21:08:58 mod6: Ok, so I've posted my version of V for some review before it goes to the ML. Inside the archive you'll find a `v.pl', `v_quick_start.txt', and `v_users_manual.txt' - and each with a corresponding sig.

21:09:34 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151011.tar.gz

21:09:35 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjpNvM )

21:09:49 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151011.tar.gz.mod6.sig

21:09:49 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QjpL76 )

21:10:15 mod6: Thanks in advance for your feedback.

21:11:41 BingoBoingo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/06/how-a-secret-chinese-military-drug-based-on-an-ancient-herb-won-the-nobel-prize/

21:11:42 assbot: How a secret Chinese military drug based on an ancient herb won the Nobel Prize - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXDoi3 )

21:11:52 mod6: (Hint: Please rtfm at least one of the guides before anyone says "Doesnt work!")

21:13:42 danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296362 << I am interested in taking on a n00b as an apprentice in sacrificing for the purpose of hopefully getting some overcraft loot

21:13:42 assbot: Logged on 11-10-2015 18:15:21; mircea_popescu: this is the sunday psa that eulora needs more noobs.

21:20:00 mircea_popescu: how'd that work danielpbarron ?

21:21:42 mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> folks familiar with usg 'scientocracy' will laugh, but the fact is, the mind-reading box does not necessarily have to... work. to be put in use. << right right. cholesterol is bad for you except its good for you and salt is bad except its good and hey, as long as they got "science" what difference does it make that they're 100% consensused on opposite things every 30 years.

21:22:06 mircea_popescu: or that there's more examples of this pinnacle of lulz than there are "scientists" drawing breath at any given time.

21:25:08 mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> anyways, the notion that the us courts have the mandate to execute people or have any other stort of effect on the world is long past its sell by date << word.

21:30:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00047965 = 14.6053 BTC [-] {3}

21:31:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform>had standard lcd. but the latter do not resemble the machines i have previously used having such << speaing of which, i went to a local cinema yest. place tries real hard to be us like. they had digital projector. not only were the pixels visible with naked eye from middle of room, but

21:31:17 mircea_popescu: the fucking scannig speed of that thing. omfg.

21:31:33 mircea_popescu: if things moved < 5% it was clear, if faster than that holy blur on a shitstick!

21:32:00 mircea_popescu: i have no idea how they imagine the pos digital projector can compete with a 1950s soviet thing that went around the villages to show propaganda shorts.

21:32:03 mircea_popescu: it doesn't.

21:32:54 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/1843b7f9b3044d65b6f6e83f9f663465/tumblr_ngpkg23or21tcv3gao1_1280.jpg << good tits are a thing.

21:32:54 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXEhXM )

21:35:52 mircea_popescu: cool beans mod6

21:37:35 ben_vulpes: neat stuff mod6

21:39:17 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'lcds' << apple SOP. watch exists to maintain price point of late model pn0hes, which exist to prop price point of new pn0hes, which exist to prop price point of the *cheap* craptop...

21:40:52 ben_vulpes: the entire operation's profit plan for the forseeable future is to increase the forced obsolescence rate and drive down the number of atoms and fab processes in the whole thing while charging ever more.

21:42:49 phf: went to a movie theater to see The Martian. i only ever watch movies when in-wot recommend something enough, so i didn't realize how bad a movie can be, and this was one of the worst movies i've ever seen. snl "you can do anything" skit done with a straightface.. in space! but anyway, they've replaced all the regular rows, with reclining sits, and you can push the button for the sit to recline. i was

21:42:51 phf: disapointed though, that you can't just drive your sit to get popcorn and coke. have to walk.

21:44:33 mircea_popescu: this thing (baires) was an INCREDIBLE collection of the stupideology of argentinians.

21:45:00 mircea_popescu: it hit all the dumb spots, it could stand as a two hour summary of "this is a full description of how these imbeciles are imbeciles"

21:48:18 kakobrekla: high expectations are problematic for any movie

21:48:24 BingoBoingo: http://www.27bslash6.com/chairs.html

21:48:25 assbot: It's like an involuntary tic or a really boring form of Tourette's ... ( http://bit.ly/1jXEZED )

21:57:44 phf: kakobrekla: i didn't have any expectations, i didn't know anything about it until half hour before. one of the people who invited me walked out half way through and the other one appologized.

21:58:03 kakobrekla: lolk

21:58:36 mircea_popescu: haha

22:04:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105013 @ 0.00047796 = 50.192 BTC [-] {4}

22:06:07 mod6: thanks mircea_popescu & ben_vulpes; plz let me know if you have questions or wanna discuss anything about how it works.

22:06:44 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> the entire operation's profit plan for the forseeable future is to increase the forced obsolescence rate and drive down the number of atoms and fab processes in the whole thing while charging ever more. << and even so it won't be able to keep up with inflation.

22:07:13 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, http://40.media.tumblr.com/2402b48de25359229cb5b466a36f557b/tumblr_ngp9c2WaZz1tcv3gao1_1280.jpg

22:07:13 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2JMcO )

22:50:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14838 @ 0.0004748 = 7.0451 BTC [-]

23:13:32 mod6: found a bug. will fix on next time posted. for now; after `./v.pl init http://thebitcoin.foundation` is run, run `./v.pl w` to ensure all of the WoT's get imported to the keyring.

23:14:26 mod6: anyway, simple change. let me know if something out sticks out.

23:31:13 ben_vulpes: trinque: you might find it amusing that now that the rains have moved in, Hinson is holding a series of neighborhood meetings to figure out "what to do" about colonel summers.

23:31:19 mod6: hmm. chicken/egg type of problem, maybe not so simple. if one wants to check the signed mirrors before init, how can sigs be checked from wot if no wot yet exists.

23:31:44 mod6: will have to think on that a bit. :]

23:32:07 ben_vulpes: everyone wants affordable housing, they just don't want to house people who need affordable housing anywhere near themselves.

23:37:13 mircea_popescu: why not ? much better to fuck women that need affordable housing than women thart don't.\

23:37:21 mircea_popescu: for one thing, younger. for the other thing, much less of a bitch.

23:37:52 mircea_popescu: the concept of unaffordable housing chiefly exists on this earth to keep women pliable and young derps out of the pool.

23:38:19 mod6: I guess I could just not print who signed the mirrors. Leave the mirror list sigs in place on the server, and they can be checked later by hand if anyone wants. but i kinda like how it shows who signed it.

23:38:25 mircea_popescu: (which is why i'm kinda chuckling to myself every time alf goes on a rant about teh rent bezzle. sure, it sucks. imagine a world without it.)

23:38:42 mircea_popescu: mod6 why is this a bootstrapping problem anyway ?

23:38:53 mircea_popescu: to run v in the first place one's supposed to provide a populated pubkeys dir.

23:39:50 mod6: One can do this for sure. The idea was, if the user just has the scrpit, and nothing else, they could sync all the latest wots/seals/vpatches from a mirror.

23:42:39 mircea_popescu: mmm i don't think that's either intended functionality or a good idea.

23:42:59 mircea_popescu: as intended, every v installation includes a step where user securely populates his pubkey dir.

23:43:37 mircea_popescu: and unrelated statuesque beauty http://41.media.tumblr.com/d43f95f902f8a42bd22921517589e2aa/tumblr_ngkmo2ayY41tcv3gao1_1280.jpg

23:43:39 assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1N7BBQS )

23:45:20 mod6: hmm. well, i can take all of the sync stuff out for sure. will reduce a ton of code.

23:45:41 mircea_popescu: pgp sync you mean ?

23:45:50 mod6: how will the secure population of the pubkey dir work? just by pulling keys manually or is this an automated function?

23:46:06 mircea_popescu: but these are two diff things, the v sync (of code) and the pubkey part.

23:46:08 mod6: no, it sync's stuff from the mirror via wget, currently

23:46:28 mod6: the pubkeys, the seals and the vpatches

23:46:41 mircea_popescu: see, the idea being that pubkey gotta be a special category.

23:46:50 mod6: it is not required to do that, one can just populate the stuff by hand, ofc.

23:46:50 mircea_popescu: then you no longer have the bootstrapping problem you were disucssing earlier.

23:47:42 mod6: ah. ok. i see. so let the user populate the wots on their own, other stuff, no prob.

23:47:47 mircea_popescu: yup

23:48:37 mod6: ok makes sense. i'll work on that bit of it.

23:48:50 mod6: thx!

23:49:40 mircea_popescu: dun mention it.