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00:00:25 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0056998 = 0.171 BTC [+]

00:00:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3781 @ 0.00087046 = 3.2912 BTC [+]

00:03:19 moiety: http://i.imgur.com/CIubsq7.gif

00:05:30 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00552489 = 0.6077 BTC [-] {5}

00:05:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999999 BTC [+]

00:11:10 pgp: well there soes seem to be some interesting progress

00:11:11 pgp: http://skanner.net/MtGox/mtgox_tx.php?showall=true

00:11:13 ozbot: MtGox Bitcoin Transaction Queue

00:11:29 pgp: far fewer in here now

00:12:35 pgp: wrong chan

00:22:47 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00086956 = 15.4782 BTC [-] {2}

00:25:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17876 @ 0.00086376 = 15.4406 BTC [-]

00:31:41 deeee: hello

00:32:00 KRS-One: deeeeeeeeeee

00:32:20 deeee: i made 15k

00:32:22 deeee: today!

00:32:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.0054165 = 0.715 BTC [-] {9}

00:33:09 asciilifeform: 15k of what?

00:33:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2500 @ 0.00011118 = 0.278 BTC [-] {5}

00:35:30 deeee: usd

00:35:41 deeee: can anyone tell me if http://www.bitbet.com/ is a virus

00:38:02 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00086823 = 6.859 BTC [+]

00:42:54 pankkake: lol

00:44:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999998 BTC [-]

00:46:30 jurov: someone got infected by bitbet?

00:48:16 pankkake: it's a disease, start playing, can't stop

00:55:40 mike_c: i tried to think of a good bitbet for Altcoin, but nothing crystallized.

00:57:10 pankkake: there was one, and it ended up being close

00:57:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999998 BTC [-]

00:57:26 mike_c: really? for the real altcoin?

00:57:30 pankkake: yes

00:57:39 pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/748/altcoin-diff-to-be-power-of-four/

00:57:43 ozbot: BitBet - Altcoin diff to be power of four BTC block 285000

00:58:24 mike_c: heh, nice. i was thinking along the lines of "an altcoin will be worth $1 in 2014", but verifying is hard.

00:59:02 pankkake: you'd need exchanges. when things are listed in coinmarketcap, it's much more practical, too

00:59:29 mike_c: maybe that should be it. as verified by coinmarketcap. then if it never gets listed, it resolves as no

01:00:40 moiety: i should really get a wallet huh

01:01:12 moiety: the snowden bitbet is still pending two days on

01:01:54 Duffer1: link?

01:02:24 moiety: http://bitbet.us/bet/586/next-country-for-snowden-germany/

01:02:26 ozbot: BitBet - Next country for Snowden: Germany

01:02:33 Duffer1: oh

01:03:03 moiety: it would be a really bad move

01:03:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00086823 = 6.5985 BTC [+]

01:09:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.559 = 2.236 BTC [+]

01:13:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00086714 = 3.2084 BTC [-]

01:22:50 jurov: g++ -c -march=native -ftree-vectorize -O2 -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wformat -Wformat-security -Wno-unused-parameter -g -DBOOST_SPIRIT_THREADSAFE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/opt/altcoin/src -I/opt/altcoin/src/obj -I/usr/include/db4.8 -DUSE_IPV6=1 -I/opt/altcoin/src/leveldb/include -I/opt/altcoin/src/leveldb/helpers -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -MMD -MF obj/bitcoinrpc.d -o obj/bitco

01:22:52 jurov: o bitcoinrpc.cpp

01:23:12 jurov: BITCOINRPC in Altcoin?!!! Blasphemy!

01:23:24 asciilifeform: 'make' is for lusers?

01:24:15 jurov: ain't need no filthy make

01:27:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.12500005 = 0.5 BTC [+]

01:28:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]

01:29:53 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 70 @ 0.02493859 = 1.7457 BTC [-] {8}

01:30:18 asciilifeform: often wonder when/if we'll see a sane reimplementation of bitcoind.

01:30:50 jurov: define sane

01:30:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15857 @ 0.00086365 = 13.6949 BTC [-] {2}

01:31:25 jurov: if original is insane, then there can't be both sane and compatible reimplementation

01:31:28 asciilifeform: minus the crud (i.e. straight C, with nothing extraneous or ill-fitting)

01:31:39 jurov: have you seen the sx?

01:31:52 jurov: or how did ganjix call it

01:32:27 asciilifeform: ?

01:32:28 jurov: http://sx.dyne.org/

01:32:31 ozbot: The sx Tutorial — sx 1 documentation

01:32:32 jurov: it's in C

01:33:45 asciilifeform: looks like it's using libbitcoin, more cpp crud.

01:35:50 jurov: prolly i confused it with this: https://github.com/MatthewLM/cbitcoin/

01:36:43 asciilifeform: jurov: never seen before. neat.

01:36:55 asciilifeform: assuming it works.

01:38:57 fghj: bitbet.com it would be good squat for scaming, just like the one with sdice .com .net or .org 2yrs ago

01:39:40 jurov: asciilifeform if you happen to look deeper, let us know

01:39:53 asciilifeform: now if only the author were still 'bob the bridge-builder'

01:40:00 asciilifeform: rather than the other, 'new' bob.

01:42:11 nubbins`: heh.

01:42:44 asciilifeform: 'life ain't fair,' goats cannot be unfucked.

01:44:02 asciilifeform: if the rewrite were compact enough to be auditable with reasonable effort, it would be worth considering regardless of the authorship

01:44:09 asciilifeform: but it remains to be seen whether such a thing is possible.

01:49:23 jurov: pankkake: still selling them?

01:50:13 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 310 @ 0.00086714 = 0.2688 BTC [+]

01:52:44 asciilifeform: crackpot theory follows. 'you read it here first' (TM)

01:53:03 asciilifeform: the diddled-tx DDOS is perpetrated by: 'btc foundation' devs.

01:53:39 mike_c: so they can come to the rescue and appear relevant? i like it.

01:53:44 asciilifeform: nope

01:53:48 asciilifeform: the buggers want an excuse to fiddle with previously-untouched code in satoshi's client.

01:54:27 asciilifeform: not necessarily with the goal of slipping in some strange

01:54:31 mike_c: aren't all the btc foundation devs in jail by now?

01:54:35 asciilifeform: (probably beyond their feeble muscles)

01:54:56 jurov: lol mike_c

01:55:12 asciilifeform: but to set precedent for introducing 'features' and fixes to non-existent problems

01:55:46 asciilifeform: also to zap the die-hards still using old versions.

01:55:49 jurov: asciilifeform: it's indeed beyond them. if they were truly scammy, they would have done something simple like stealthcoin

01:56:06 asciilifeform: jurov: perhaps they have new help.

01:56:12 nubbins`: ^

01:56:32 asciilifeform: say, a veteran of UCC.

01:56:48 asciilifeform: http://underhanded.xcott.com

01:56:57 jurov: i just think coders capable to do such can get paid amply by legitimate businesses

01:57:22 jurov: i don't see any motivation why would they turn to such shenanigans

01:57:23 asciilifeform: there's a difference between 'amply paid' and $MAXINT

01:57:49 asciilifeform: there is also the very persuasive 'paid in your family staying alive' business model

01:57:58 asciilifeform: that certain players in the field favour.

01:58:13 jurov: oh yes there we are again

01:58:28 benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBWloE7EKzQ

01:58:29 ozbot: back yard pvc roller coaster with a 12 ft drop - YouTube

01:58:52 jurov: such thing really works in ussr-style dictatorships where there is no way out

01:58:53 asciilifeform: a warm hug to the inquisitor reading this.

01:59:39 jurov: so if something such happens, it's directed by homeland security, not bitcoin foundation noobs

02:00:08 asciilifeform: they're not unconstrained actors. they still need a story to explain why the 'official' src is to change.

02:00:18 asciilifeform: a persuasive story

02:00:28 nubbins`: benkay :D

02:01:01 asciilifeform: the ddos crap is a pill against folks like MP, who have declared that they'll stick with ancient versions of bitcoind.

02:02:07 asciilifeform: (perhaps he'll patch the damn thing with his own hands. but others, less able, will not. and will go where the phoundation pushes them.)

02:02:18 pankkake: jurov: I only have ~10000 left (plus what I'm still mining), so you might get a better price elsewhere

02:02:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2405 @ 0.0008684 = 2.0885 BTC [+]

02:02:32 jurov: like, where?

02:03:21 jurov: it's still minable on gpu?

02:03:42 pankkake: I mine it with 2 erupters on http://coinminer.net:19982/static/

02:03:49 mike_c: nethash was 240 ghs by our meager estimates earlier today

02:04:29 pankkake: https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 anyone tried it?

02:04:31 ozbot: OpenEx

02:04:39 mircea_popescu: so what's new ?

02:04:44 asciilifeform: i conjecture that bitcoind contains a reliable 'warehouse' of otherwise-harmless bugs like the recent one.

02:04:51 asciilifeform: kept around for just this purpose.

02:04:57 mike_c: psh, and i conjecture the sky is blue.

02:05:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it contains a warehouse of bugs because it was built by joe out of toothpicks and chewing gum

02:05:56 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you didn't miss much. i'm playing my favourite 'pretend GRU still exists' game.

02:06:28 mircea_popescu: lol i noticed you like that.

02:08:41 jurov: Apocalyptic: and you aren't going to support atc?

02:09:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54999998 BTC [-]

02:11:55 jurov: mircea_popescu: you give altcoinz?

02:12:23 mircea_popescu: what for ?

02:12:38 jurov: for X.ALT "D

02:12:49 jurov: pankkake hinted something

02:12:57 mircea_popescu: uh. wut ?

02:13:05 jurov: hahaha

02:13:05 pankkake: lol

02:13:32 jurov: wasn't there a faucet?

02:13:37 pankkake: now that altcoin have value, the faucet dried up?

02:13:46 pankkake: and borken english is me

02:14:29 mircea_popescu: i did some giveaways for like answering q's and whatnot.

02:14:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00087044 = 4.4828 BTC [+] {2}

02:14:37 mircea_popescu: being THE ONLY ONE to do so hint hint nudge nudge.

02:14:55 mircea_popescu: just like in BTC i'm the only one doing shit, everyone else is buying bentleys and spraypainting crackheads in gold paint.

02:15:40 pankkake: tat did the logo, that's half the value of the coin at least

02:15:49 moiety: you cannot deny they look better

02:16:06 jurov: butbutbut...i'm running a full node... helping the network

02:16:20 pankkake: I'll give you 42 ATC

02:16:30 jurov: hyperfast, compiled with -fomg-optimize

02:16:37 mircea_popescu: moiety that unfortunate chick... god help her.

02:16:57 pankkake: so you found the pic? I couldn't

02:17:03 jurov: ok, send atc donations to 1LcE3DQSosBv3HNYGTmCQLGnKgFhchCe8j

02:17:15 mircea_popescu: do you even vanity ?!

02:17:46 moiety: me?

02:18:16 jurov: he meant me

02:18:38 mircea_popescu: i meant him

02:18:45 moiety: no i meant the unfortunate chick bit

02:18:53 moiety: i do have some bad news mircea_popescu

02:18:58 mircea_popescu: moiety you seen the pic of the gold painted cokehead ?

02:19:45 moiety: oh no, i didn't realise there was actually someone sprayed!! will google

02:20:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not the only fellow who likes playing games:

02:20:08 pankkake: 666 ATC bounty for the pic

02:20:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://phk.freebsd.dk/_downloads/FOSDEM_2014.pdf

02:20:40 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/kqrYBFI.jpg

02:21:40 Duffer1: classy

02:21:51 pankkake: worse than I rememberd

02:23:24 moiety: thanks for link, all i got was a sea of lindsay lohan on google. imgur must be overloaded, cant load it yet

02:23:32 mircea_popescu: pankkake it gets worse every time.

02:23:42 mircea_popescu: moiety so what's the bad news ? you got married to an axe murderer ?

02:23:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00086643 = 6.7582 BTC [-]

02:24:25 moiety: mircea_popescu: I'm 29... marriage would be good news. [ignores the murderer bit]

02:24:42 moiety: bad news is life is about to get even more irritating http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/02/first-there-were-captchas-now-there-are-gotchas/

02:24:47 mircea_popescu: ;;google so i married an axe murderer

02:24:48 gribble: So I Married an Axe Murderer (1993) - IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108174/; So I Married an Axe Murderer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_I_Married_an_Axe_Murderer; So I Married An Axe Murderer(colonel sanders scene) - YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPMS6tGOACo

02:25:05 mircea_popescu: a, that's ok, i don't even use blogger.

02:25:14 moiety: oh i forgot about that film!!

02:25:51 moiety: if they introduce inblots everywhere though, internet will be halved forme

02:25:57 moiety: inkblots

02:26:10 mircea_popescu: so you should be thankful, half the crap.

02:26:16 jurov: someone wanted vanity? 1atcKeQCoeKbWCqyMUZPrMjpjvr4ayAbX

02:26:24 moiety: but but half the procrastination also

02:26:27 mircea_popescu: jurov you ate what ? keq ?

02:26:27 moiety: wait....

02:26:43 mircea_popescu: coek ?

02:27:27 asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/fbi-new-10000-reward-if-you-report-people-who-fire-lasers-at-airplanes/

02:27:28 ozbot: FBI: New $10,000 reward if you report people who fire lasers at airplanes | Ars Technica

02:27:39 mircea_popescu: whoa. it actually hurts anything ?!

02:27:40 jurov: ;;lasers

02:27:40 gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*

02:27:47 asciilifeform: one obvious question: how does one convict the offender?

02:28:00 asciilifeform: 'owns laser pointer. off to jail'

02:28:01 jurov: they blind pilots?

02:28:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform terrorism, public nudity and money laundering.

02:28:08 moiety: lolol

02:28:18 mircea_popescu: wait i mean, public terrorism, money nudity and laundry.

02:28:26 mircea_popescu: no wait, that's not rigth either

02:28:38 jurov: jaywalking not fashionable anymore

02:28:39 mircea_popescu: child laundery, money liking and going to the park

02:28:48 moiety: lmfao


02:29:06 pankkake: public nudity, milking and laundry

02:29:10 moiety: new challenge im off to vanitygen

02:29:11 mircea_popescu: &offal falafel.

02:29:12 gribble: Error: "offal" is not a valid command.

02:29:17 asciilifeform: nude terrorism, public laundering, nude money.

02:29:29 mircea_popescu: public laundering of nude terrorists for money.

02:29:38 mircea_popescu: underage.

02:29:41 jurov: public money

02:29:57 mircea_popescu: underage money, public vomiting and interfacing with a known socket.

02:30:26 asciilifeform: http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/february/protecting-aircraft-from-lasers/protecting-aircraft-from-lasers

02:30:27 ozbot: FBI — Protecting Aircraft from Lasers: New Program Offers Rewards for Information

02:30:29 mircea_popescu: anyway, everyone, thank you for your leadership in this important matter.

02:30:53 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10509 @ 0.00086358 = 9.0754 BTC [-] {2}

02:31:04 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform srsly, seems more like a ploy to give your buddy 10k, because i can't for the life of me grok what exact damage can you do to an airplane with a ground laser.

02:31:21 asciilifeform: (cui bono? the folks who will be selling the soon-to-be-mandatory fly-by-camera gear, when it gets retrofitted into passenger jets.)

02:31:37 jurov: to pilot, not to airplane

02:31:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.19376446 = 2.1314 BTC [+]

02:31:56 mircea_popescu: jurov the pilot is what, losing his change on the floor of the plane which is transparent ?

02:32:16 mircea_popescu: passenger jets strafing now ?

02:32:28 jurov: lasers do reflect

02:32:45 mircea_popescu: in more interesting news :

02:32:45 mircea_popescu: http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/244922181.html

02:32:47 ozbot: Websites of Las Vegas Sands casinos hacked, including Venetian, Palazzo on Las Vegas Strip | Star Tr

02:32:51 asciilifeform: the 'terrible problem' will remain unsolved, passenger liners will get $100K cameras and painted-over windshields.

02:32:59 jurov: you ever got a flash of reflected laser pointer?

02:33:07 mircea_popescu: jurov nope.

02:33:09 jurov: quite annoying

02:33:13 mircea_popescu: and i'm not even a pilot.

02:33:24 jurov: and that's just puny pointer for presentations

02:33:35 mircea_popescu: dude, you mean in the same room ?

02:33:37 mircea_popescu: come on now.

02:33:38 moiety: WW3 = cats vs pilots

02:33:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06946363 = 0.7641 BTC [-] {4}

02:33:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.12500001 = 1.375 BTC [-] {2}

02:34:06 mircea_popescu: you ever tried to shoot a fish ?

02:34:11 jurov: yep, poor pilots have to catch red dots and crashing airplanes

02:34:32 mircea_popescu: because if you imagine you're hitting a ten yard plane from five thousand feet deep in an ocean of air with a fucking handheld laser you're nuts.

02:34:33 moiety: why do you think they get paid so highly?

02:34:53 jurov: noone gives a fuck about thousands of feet

02:34:58 mircea_popescu: uh

02:35:09 jurov: it concerns takeoff and landing

02:35:10 mircea_popescu: yes, the laser does. light has this property called refraction

02:35:18 mircea_popescu: o it does ?

02:35:19 asciilifeform: everyone is missing the point. the entire 'problem' is fictional. the fiction, created for a purpose.

02:35:44 asciilifeform: 'no pilots were harmed' 'in the making of this movie.'

02:35:50 moiety: lol^

02:35:51 mircea_popescu: srsly, i never heard of it.

02:36:00 jurov: if the scare is about mid-air laser attacks, indeed

02:36:18 asciilifeform: u.s. mouthpieces have been peddling this crap for some years.

02:36:29 jurov: but if it's pubescents shooting 1w lasers into cockpit upon landing...

02:37:40 asciilifeform: likewise, slightly-intelligent bureaucrats perhaps wake up at night from the fact that you can untraceably torch just about anything with a fiddybuck IR laser.

02:37:43 mircea_popescu: jurov sounds to me like a rehash of the child porn thing.

02:38:03 mircea_popescu: "o, horrible things are happening somewhere maybe"

02:38:08 jurov: oh, are they flashing child porn to pilots?

02:38:19 mircea_popescu: yeah, gets burned on their retinas

02:38:20 moiety: but how are these pubescents getting close enough to the planes

02:38:46 jurov: one kilometer is close enough

02:38:56 moiety: wow my laser pen is shit

02:38:59 mircea_popescu: one kilometer around the airport is all parking lots

02:39:14 mircea_popescu: let's do some quick math.

02:39:22 jurov: but, maybe you do know better, whatever

02:39:53 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1000**2*3.141592*2

02:39:53 gribble: 6283184

02:40:06 asciilifeform: green laser, rayleigh scattering, you can 'walk' the beam to the target.

02:40:07 mircea_popescu: whoa look at that! the surface of a hemisphere 1km away is like... 6.3 mn sq meters!

02:40:08 moiety: ijust cant visualise even getting a pilots face from ground level from that distance

02:40:13 asciilifeform: (and target, back to you...)

02:40:52 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 6283184 / .25 * 10**6

02:40:53 gribble: 25132736000000

02:40:57 mircea_popescu: whoa look at that!

02:41:16 mircea_popescu: the odds of hitting anything 1 km away are about one in a las vegas jackpot!

02:41:31 asciilifeform: more lulz: http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/september/laser_092611

02:41:58 jurov: first google result for pilot blinded by laser: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/medical-helicopter-pilot-blinded-laser-21583352

02:41:59 moiety: you like lasers a lot don't you asciilifeform :)

02:42:06 jborkl: Mp, the calls on the site are priced at .1 and the puts are still priced at 1.0, so there is a typo in this month puts

02:42:14 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 25132736000000 / (6*10**9)

02:42:14 gribble: 4188.78933333

02:42:23 asciilifeform: moiety: i like incandescent bulbs, too, sure.

02:42:41 mircea_popescu: whoia look at that! if every man woman and child on planet earth was a prepubescent boy with a laser spending all their time 1km away from lax

02:42:48 mircea_popescu: you'd get about one pilot hit every day!

02:42:59 mircea_popescu: provided it's friday on a february the 29th

02:43:16 asciilifeform: moiety: and i sometimes have occasion to work with modestly large lasers. hence some clue.

02:43:39 mircea_popescu: jborkl specifically ?

02:43:57 moiety: aaaah i see! I wanna work with lasers!

02:44:13 jurov: you just are hell bent on making fun of fbi, even if they do something that may make sense eventually

02:44:26 jborkl: It says lot is .1 btc , but mkopt and pricing is obviously 1.0 btc lot

02:44:37 jborkl: This month puts

02:44:55 asciilifeform: jurov: in this case fbi is doing its actual job well, for a change. (read: padding the pockets of contractors. here, the ones who'll be making mandatory 'fly by camera' widgets.)

02:45:17 moiety: imgur is still keeping this gold crackhead from me :/

02:45:19 mircea_popescu: jborkl help me out here. how do you reason ?

02:46:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5109 @ 0.00086301 = 4.4091 BTC [-] {2}

02:46:30 jurov: that is not an argument, it can be said about everything

02:46:44 jurov: flood protection? nah, just lining pockets pof contractors

02:46:52 asciilifeform: jurov: floods exist.

02:47:09 mircea_popescu: jurov there's a record of floods actually happening in the past.

02:47:21 mircea_popescu: this is different from one guy somewhere thought he might have heard something.

02:47:35 jurov: i jut shown you the medial helicopter video. it does exist, too

02:48:04 mircea_popescu: if that's the standard of evidence required even female orgasm exists.

02:48:18 jborkl: The text says one lot is .1 btc but mkopt and sell are still dominated in 1 btc lots

02:48:29 mircea_popescu: jborkl that doesn't seem to be a reasoning.

02:48:36 mircea_popescu: $depth O.USD.P500T

02:48:37 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: O.USD.P500T Bids: ['1000 @ 0.67164225']

02:48:38 mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 1.17856218']

02:48:41 jborkl: Unless I am just reading something wrong

02:48:52 mircea_popescu: jborkl you expect to buy a put at 5k for 1 btc lots for 0.67 ?

02:49:05 jborkl: No

02:49:07 mircea_popescu: ;;calc (5000 - 700) / 700

02:49:08 gribble: 6.14285714286

02:49:19 mircea_popescu: seems it is in fact .1 btc lots.

02:49:41 jborkl: I understand it is 67%

02:49:49 jborkl: Or we

02:49:59 jborkl: 61

02:50:02 asciilifeform: the 'laser pointer arrest' video is priceless.

02:50:11 mircea_popescu: jborkl well and the text on the page says "One lot consists of 0.1 BTC".

02:50:18 mircea_popescu: so where's the typo or what do you mean ?

02:51:32 asciilifeform: '?At 500 feet,? Childs said, ?that two-centimeter dot you see on your wall can be six feet wide.?'

02:52:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they don't bother with power calculations do they

02:52:24 jborkl: Well, I read it different but I fully understand the math behind it so it doesn't matter. I just rwadbit different but I see what you are saying

02:52:29 mircea_popescu: it is six feet wide and magically 3600000 times as energetic

02:52:33 jborkl: Read it

02:52:39 mircea_popescu: jborkl a ok

02:52:45 asciilifeform: ;;calc 3.14159 * (183 ^ 2)

02:52:45 gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.

02:52:54 mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3.14159 * (183 ** 2)

02:52:55 gribble: 105208.70751

02:53:15 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00086575 = 0.2597 BTC [+]

02:53:47 asciilifeform: ;;calc 0.005 / 105208.70751

02:53:47 gribble: 4.75245834526e-08

02:53:51 asciilifeform: watts per square cm.

02:54:11 mircea_popescu: that's almost as bad as an ugly vinyl dress on a sunny day

02:54:15 asciilifeform: ~moonlight.

02:54:54 asciilifeform: sentence of 'death by arithmetic' has been executed.

02:55:03 asciilifeform: the 'control shot' administered.

02:55:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand. at one astronomic unit away that million ton cheese thing i nthe sky can appear six inches wide!

02:57:01 mircea_popescu: jborkl did you mean that you read "Put option expiring this month struck at 500 USD/lot." to mean "500usd/btc" ?

02:58:11 jurov: power density can be like a moonlight, but on retina it concnetrates into one dot

02:58:32 mircea_popescu: not moreso than moonlight does.

02:58:36 jurov: just try it sometime,

02:58:40 asciilifeform: jurov: notice that the fbi crap carefully specified an uncollimated beam.

02:58:51 asciilifeform: (the actual case in consumer laser toy)

02:58:55 mircea_popescu: jurov seriously, your mishaps within five feet are not a solid basis for comparison here.

02:59:19 jborkl: No, honestly I forgot until this conversation that options are standard the way you have it written. I forgot the standard tbh

02:59:27 mircea_popescu: a ok. no big deal.

03:00:18 jurov: whatever, just try it on yourself

03:00:53 asciilifeform: srsly, we aren't debating the theory of nuke yields here. experimental materials required: 1 laser keychain. 1km long street. 1 phriend.

03:02:14 jurov: as i say, i do have some experience. it wasn't kilometer, but also the power was much smaller

03:02:17 mircea_popescu: jurov actually, i'll make it sweet for you :

03:02:26 jurov: so i can believe that pilots do have issues

03:02:30 mircea_popescu: get a laser key chain and a camera. place camera one kilometer away

03:02:33 asciilifeform: bonus crap points for ignoring the fact that ~532nm (green) laser rayleigh scatters, further losing power.

03:02:50 mircea_popescu: and try to shine the laser into it while it autoshoots so that you catch it in a pic.

03:03:05 mircea_popescu: i bet you you will not be able to produce this within 8 hours of trying.

03:03:39 asciilifeform: place the camera in a car, to reproduce the magical collimatory power of the aircraft window.

03:03:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well no, place it in a car so it's not stolen

03:03:57 asciilifeform: this too.

03:04:01 asciilifeform: esp. on my street...

03:04:07 mircea_popescu: just you know, park your car in a field somewhere, or a beach or w/e

03:04:12 mircea_popescu: take a walk and let it rip

03:04:37 asciilifeform: yes. perhaps physics has been cancelled by imperial decree, and we're all fools.

03:05:07 jurov: so these laers sharpshooters use are just a gimmick and completely useless for aiming, then?

03:05:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm waiting for the day when one becomes vragnaroda for owning a collection of unexpurgated kvant

03:05:19 asciilifeform: that'd be me.

03:05:28 mircea_popescu: jurov you think sharpshooters use the red laser dot 1km away ?

03:05:45 mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you suppose they could SEE it.

03:05:53 mircea_popescu: the victim may see it, but how would the sharpshooter see it ?

03:06:18 jurov: via binocular?

03:06:37 mircea_popescu: i suspek you might have not had thought this through so much.

03:06:55 asciilifeform: they make IR (ocular compatible) laser sights now, because u.s. polizei can't hit a victim from across the street otherwise.

03:07:21 jurov: In 2009, there were 1,489 laser events logged with the FAA—that is, pilots reporting that their cockpits were illuminated by the devices

03:07:22 asciilifeform: actual snipers ignore lasers, because gravity drop / wind.

03:07:30 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still dunno wtf they do for practice training, srsly, but they are atrociously bad.

03:07:31 jurov: so this is coplaetely fabricated data?

03:07:47 mircea_popescu: jurov listen, cockpit illuminated != ill effect

03:07:58 jurov: orly?

03:07:59 mircea_popescu: during the same interval a number of 59739845 bored women reported they were "almost raped"

03:08:03 asciilifeform: jurov: paid sick leave!

03:08:06 mircea_popescu: for instance, a guy askd them out and he was ugly.

03:08:14 asciilifeform: oh noez i got illuminated.

03:08:28 jurov: if the lose hight vision even for few seconds, that;s okay?

03:08:36 jurov: *night vision

03:08:41 mircea_popescu: listen

03:08:51 mircea_popescu: i was once in a car and the fucking ambulance illuminated the cockpit with the lights

03:08:53 mircea_popescu: nao what ?

03:09:05 asciilifeform: jurov: blind the camera & come back

03:09:06 mircea_popescu: and incidentally, those shits are loud, it can startle you

03:09:44 mircea_popescu: somehow people never crashed their car into the fire truck because "whoa, i got blinded by the illumination of the cockpit"

03:09:58 mircea_popescu: but i will be pleased to be given the proper form to report such events for the future

03:10:07 mircea_popescu: maybe if we get a large enough number i can have a free subway sub

03:10:25 jurov: you can always slam your feet to brakes

03:10:26 benkay: who is this we you go on about tonight

03:10:33 jurov: in aircraft, not very much

03:10:47 mircea_popescu: jurov in most actual driving situations, sudden braking is both suicidal

03:10:51 mircea_popescu: and the worst move you could do.

03:10:52 asciilifeform: like any good official crock of shit, this one is based on fact (one can indeed construct a vaguely-useful military 'blinding machine')

03:11:00 asciilifeform: dollar store laser keychain ain't it.

03:11:27 jurov: benkay, just mircea with ascii going on that pilots are pussies and they should just shut up

03:11:46 mircea_popescu: well actually i think pilots should just be beaten, personally, but that is besides the point.

03:12:29 asciilifeform: pilots are human, when idiot employers/officials offer paid sick leave for an imaginary injury, they're happy to run with it.

03:12:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in honesty i doubt your average pilot really needs excuses to take a break.

03:13:15 mircea_popescu: it's one of those fields like specialist surgery, workload X, workforce epsilon

03:13:25 asciilifeform: perhaps it lets them get out of a scheduled 'piss test' as well.

03:13:27 mircea_popescu: you usually have ~5000 vacation days untaken

03:13:30 jurov: maybe. or maybe they actually have to accept considerable overtime instead

03:14:35 asciilifeform: anyway, these particular angels are already in your parts drawer, and so is the requisite pin head. camera, keychain, go.

03:14:37 jurov: for example one would think that german train engine driver is comfy occupation

03:14:47 jurov: unless it happens one knoes some liek i do

03:14:55 jurov: *knows some

03:15:14 jurov: and nope, they slashed the jobs, constant overtime, nos sick leave

03:15:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.54999998 = 12.1 BTC [-]

03:15:40 jurov: i suspect pilots likewise.

03:15:59 asciilifeform: betcha if the poor fellow just got death-rayed, he gets some paid leave.

03:15:59 mircea_popescu: jurov yup just about.

03:16:18 jurov: nope

03:16:41 jurov: the train driver gets leave only if someone throws himself under the train

03:16:54 jurov: som they actually secretly hppe for that

03:16:55 asciilifeform: if not, next media crapfest: 'scandal! poor pilots forced to fly with zapped eye! news at 11'

03:17:39 jurov: yes, and everypone forgets the next day

03:17:46 jurov: no biggie

03:18:13 moiety: i doubt train drivers hope for that

03:18:27 moiety: most don't work again

03:18:46 jurov: i say, i know them personally, they are severely overworked

03:19:00 moiety: you know a driver that has had a jumper?

03:19:00 jurov: some to that point they'd accept such discharge

03:19:15 asciilifeform: moiety: if one can get pensioned for the 'trauma' of driving a train over some idiot, perhaps we should all become train drivers.

03:19:25 moiety: i've known one. he was a patient.

03:19:43 moiety: he couldn't get past the flash backs

03:19:59 moiety: every time he was back in the cab or w/e its called on a train

03:20:02 jurov: that was not the point

03:20:10 jurov: the point was pilots are pussies

03:20:16 asciilifeform: moiety: clearly made a poor choice of profession, then

03:20:23 jurov: that should just shrug off someone lightting the cockpit

03:20:25 moiety: not really

03:20:30 jurov: instead

03:20:41 moiety: liking trains is not a prerequisite to being able to handle graphic death in front of you

03:21:08 jurov: being completely burned out is

03:21:12 asciilifeform: jurov: lit up your car successfully ?

03:21:16 jurov: at least so that peron thinks

03:21:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00086958 = 3.6088 BTC [+] {2}

03:21:48 jurov: asciilifeform: what if yes?

03:21:54 asciilifeform: pics plz.

03:22:29 asciilifeform: with approx. distance & wattage.

03:22:35 jurov: if i arrange it, there will be pics

03:22:57 moiety: i saw a deer halved by a plane yesterday. quite an effect D:

03:23:22 mircea_popescu: o look she can spell affect!

03:24:10 moiety: i meant it had an effect on me though

03:24:27 jurov: http://www.laserpointersafety.com/laser-hazards_aircraft/laser-hazards_aircraft.html

03:24:28 ozbot: Laser Pointer Safety - NEVER aim laser pointers at aircraft

03:24:41 jurov: some photos. not blinding, but i can believe it's distraction

03:24:55 moiety: every psychiatry person knows affect and effect

03:25:03 asciilifeform: moiety: http://www.pidjin.net/2010/10/04/shark-the-jump ?

03:25:50 KRS-One: i still dont understand how laser pointers can be steady enough to light a moving airplane cockpit from the ground at a distance

03:26:14 KRS-One: the further away the more shaky and inaccurate they get..you can barely hit the moon if at all for instance.

03:26:23 jurov: they don't need to be steady

03:26:26 moiety: asciilifeform: not quite but i like that one way more XD

03:26:33 jurov: just flah when the beam crosses the target

03:26:42 jurov: *flash

03:26:57 asciilifeform: KRS-One: this is because you are vragnaroda, and make use of hatefacts.

03:27:02 moiety: i'll find it if you want to see it

03:27:30 jcpham: vragnaroda? where?!?

03:27:46 KRS-One: guess you can flash them easily but only for a moment here and there

03:27:54 jurov: that's enough

03:28:15 jurov: when the eye is accustomed to dark, it's ver sensitive

03:28:15 KRS-One: I make use of hatefacts?

03:28:43 jurov: anyway, this is lost cause

03:28:47 jurov: good night

03:28:53 jcpham: 'night

03:29:17 asciilifeform: and here we go with the elephant repellent vendors:

03:29:18 asciilifeform: http://www.iridian.ca/english/irdProducts.asp?x=915&a=p&pcid=29&pid=101

03:29:20 ozbot: Iridian, LaseReflect, , LaseReflect Aviators - 532/1064 nm,

03:30:47 asciilifeform: the one way for this to work is for ten thousand wankers (reading news!) to try, and a few get very close, and lucky.

03:31:23 moiety: lol their graph looks terrible

03:31:27 asciilifeform: see history of 'glue sniffing.'

03:32:00 moiety: found it http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aircraft-pictures/oops-7372.html#post233224 deer meets plane. don't look if you like deer

03:32:28 asciilifeform: moiety: this is an everyday sight on the wash. d.c. beltway.

03:32:36 mircea_popescu: moiety i was just being very silly.

03:32:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00086757 = 10.4976 BTC [-] {2}

03:32:56 Dimsler_: mircea_popescu, that jew plead not guilty

03:33:05 Dimsler_: whens bitbet paying out?

03:33:12 moiety: mircea_popescu: good...silliness ftw

03:33:33 moiety: is it asciilifeform honestly, i could've cried yesterday!

03:33:38 mircea_popescu: Dimsler_ prolly in a week or two

03:34:45 asciilifeform: beast that lives on woodland edges + traffic -> daily bloody mess.

03:35:05 moiety: in scotland, if you hit a deer and kill it, you are allowed to take it home

03:35:44 KRS-One: Oh Dear.

03:36:05 asciilifeform: moiety: over here it's the opposite, reason perhaps being that people would mount rams (or the like.)

03:36:40 moiety: yeah i can understand that

03:37:07 moiety: people just don't here but our cars are tiny so i think its usually a transport issue!!

03:37:27 moiety: strap a deer to a nissan micra? nope

03:41:09 mod6: ;;view

03:41:11 gribble: #19596 Tue Feb 11 22:37:13 2014 mod6 BUY 100000.0 ATC @ 5e-06 BTC (WTB up to 100,000 ATC for 0.00000500 BTC each or ~0.5 BTC total. Must have WoT rating. Smaller amounts ok too, pm me, we can make a deal!)

03:42:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00087057 = 7.1822 BTC [+]

03:44:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 160 @ 0.00475943 = 0.7615 BTC [-] {9}

03:53:33 mod6: http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/#c2440 << haha

03:53:35 ozbot: BitBet - MtGox out of business in 2014

03:59:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11539 @ 0.00086778 = 10.0133 BTC [-]

04:03:24 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11921 @ 0.00087033 = 10.3752 BTC [+] {2}

04:12:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055 = 0.198 BTC

04:15:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 159 @ 0.00083455 = 0.1327 BTC [+]

04:16:24 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2014/the-miracles-that-matter/

04:16:25 ozbot: The miracles that matter pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

04:16:33 mircea_popescu: (probably most interesting for non-math heads)

04:17:26 mircea_popescu: mod6 i was thinking that may get more traction

04:19:12 moiety: i don't like otc, it's boring.

04:20:00 benkay: there's not much worth trading at this early juncture, moiety

04:20:16 benkay: mircea_popescu, linking a USG publication as a source of useful numbers?! will miracles never cease...

04:20:32 mircea_popescu: benkay all is possible, praise allah and his true prophet obama

04:21:43 moiety: ah kk benkay, i'll stick around

04:22:00 benkay: all but colored coins being a useful thing, eh wot?

04:22:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 37 @ 0.0055 = 0.2035 BTC

04:23:00 moiety: i was reading about those, didn't make much sense to me

04:23:38 benkay: don't you see the genius?

04:23:59 moiety: nope

04:24:02 benkay: you can send a colored coin representing what you aver to be your stock in pepsi to a stranger over the internet.

04:24:25 mircea_popescu: a more ver averring never coulding be possible to have taken place.

04:24:36 benkay: a miracle!

04:24:41 moiety: but it just seems ennecessary to me

04:24:44 mircea_popescu: more like a cryptacle.

04:24:46 moiety: unnecessary

04:25:00 benkay: cryptacular company!

04:25:02 mircea_popescu: moiety this is because you're not a 21 yo virgin boi.

04:25:20 moiety: lolol

04:25:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13556 @ 0.00087073 = 11.8036 BTC [+] {2}

04:26:09 moiety: what ever happened to those ridiculous people that wanted to track everyone's wallets?

04:26:17 moiety: please say they died

04:26:22 benkay: oh man mp you broke my head with that sentence

04:26:41 mircea_popescu: your head was broken to begin with

04:26:47 mircea_popescu: i simply followed in the spaces :D

04:26:58 mircea_popescu: /koan

04:27:00 benkay: now now

04:27:38 benkay: a vorhees avers a virtuous stock vending

04:28:53 mircea_popescu: i left an y out

04:28:59 mircea_popescu: a more very averring never coulding be possible to have taken place.

04:29:47 benkay: your prose is so boiled down and reduced the omission of single letters can render it gibberish

04:30:01 benkay: i was trying to render ver into some sense

04:30:05 mircea_popescu: a kk

04:31:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14907 @ 0.00087194 = 12.998 BTC [+] {2}

04:32:05 benkay: http://cdn.pidjin.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/gif.gif

04:34:21 mircea_popescu: youi know those dudes are romanian ?

04:35:11 benkay: no wai

04:35:17 mircea_popescu: yup.

04:35:47 mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/pidjin/status/379293487470239744

04:35:48 ozbot: Twitter / pidjin: #romania Protesting against ...

04:35:56 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1524 @ 0.00086949 = 1.3251 BTC [-] {2}

04:35:56 mircea_popescu: that for instance is re the mining thing i mentioned a while back.

04:36:19 mircea_popescu: Eugen Erhan & Tudor Muscalu.

04:37:56 Dimsler_: spiders have the most amount of gay sex

04:41:22 moiety: my address will take 4 hours, is that usual? 1chipug was gonna take 3 days

04:41:50 moiety: --and yes, my laptop is shit

04:42:34 benkay: relevant to spider sex

04:42:47 moiety: totally! queen of relevance me

04:42:51 moiety: sorry!

04:42:59 benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_yYC5r8xMI

04:43:00 ozbot: Peacock Spider 7 - YouTube

04:43:29 benkay: yeah moiety you in trouble nao

04:43:43 benkay: ;)

04:44:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i kept waiting for the Pythagorean drowning scene in there.

04:45:02 moiety: benkay: that spider is so cute!!!

04:45:37 benkay: moiety: and downright hypnotic to boot

04:45:49 moiety: spider: \o/ ladies over here! \o/

04:45:55 moiety: lol

04:45:59 asciilifeform: moiety: it's a fat little bugger: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/machine.png

04:46:49 asciilifeform: 50kg or so.

04:46:50 moiety: that is so cool, plenty hiding space, i am small! lol what do you use it for asciilifeform?

04:46:58 moiety: it weighs the same as me!!!!

04:47:11 asciilifeform: moiety: sorta like an expensive jigsaw.

04:48:25 moiety: benkay: 6 is a good video too. the males really like to rub their balls (palps) on their faces don't they?!

04:49:17 moiety: asciilifeform: it's even got a Big Red Button!

04:49:42 asciilifeform: moiety: exactly what it looks like. hit with fist, cuts off the mains. twist to unpop.

04:50:01 moiety: i need this in my life :(

04:50:02 asciilifeform: these are standard on Machine Tools That Mangle Flesh (tm)

04:50:12 moiety: lolololol

04:50:48 benkay: mandated even, depending on jurisdiction.

04:50:50 moiety: i was always waiting on some twat getting caught in the shredder at work

04:51:16 benkay: what, so that you could clean up the mess?!

04:51:20 asciilifeform: moiety: the piece that does, the, well, lasing - http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/tube.png

04:51:40 asciilifeform: this is more or less the smallest size they come in (for practical use, that is)

04:52:04 moiety: asciilifeform: so in the first pic, you can open the boxy bit and this2nd pic is what is in side?

04:52:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00086893 = 9.2976 BTC [-] {3}

04:52:16 moiety: apologies, lasers are fascinating

04:52:16 asciilifeform: the back of the cabinet, yes

04:52:27 asciilifeform: red wire is 35kV

04:52:35 asciilifeform: (bottom red)

04:53:07 moiety: woah, you def need your Big Red Button

04:53:08 asciilifeform: tube is abundantly chinese, good for maybe 1000 hours.

04:53:39 moiety: is it always the same strength?

04:53:59 moiety: of zappage or can you adjust

04:55:00 moiety: and do you ever lase things you shouldn't?

04:56:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00087312 = 6.7667 BTC [+]

05:03:33 moiety: benkay: what have you done, im watching all these spider vids now

05:07:11 KRS-One: F'n cookie clicker.

05:07:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0008645 = 10.2876 BTC [-] {2}

05:07:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 79 @ 0.00470001 = 0.3713 BTC [-] {3}

05:10:27 asciilifeform: moiety: 0-40W, there's an analogue knob.

05:10:30 mircea_popescu: so a palestinian jew, snowden and obama walk into a bar

05:10:38 mircea_popescu: and the bartender goes "what is this, a joke ?"

05:11:11 asciilifeform: moiety: 'when used as prescribed,' beam lives in the box.

05:11:47 mircea_popescu: moiety are you complaining it takes too long ?!

05:12:16 moiety: ah kk promise i'll stop with the laser interrogation now asciilifeform XD

05:12:34 moiety: mircea_popescu: no! seemed a lot shorter than the chipug one!

05:12:56 asciilifeform: moiety: these are fairly common, off-the-shelf widgets. you can buy them, ~1k usd.

05:13:04 mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, you're basically bruteforcing the hash function

05:13:11 mircea_popescu: exactly like mining, takes time to find a block

05:13:20 benkay: mining, but with only the reward of a shiny address.

05:13:22 asciilifeform: if you often have occasion to make very fine cuts in thin materials.

05:14:59 moiety: i could find occasion asciilifeform

05:15:13 benkay: asciilifeform: http://www.synova.ch/

05:15:14 moiety: so i'm mining again.... look at me, I'm growing

05:16:13 asciilifeform: benkay: that'd be the 'adult' version.

05:16:17 mircea_popescu: http://www.pidjin.net/2013/10/17/start-me-up/

05:16:18 ozbot: Start me up « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic.

05:16:38 asciilifeform: benkay: i'd love one, but where to put the truck-sized instrument.

05:16:58 moiety: meh build a house around it

05:17:37 mircea_popescu: build a pool around it

05:17:50 moiety: LOL i like this pidgin comic

05:18:15 mircea_popescu: then host mtv's annual "one thousand derpy chicks in bikinis doing the undulation-on-the-spot" thing

05:18:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11379 @ 0.00086362 = 9.8271 BTC [-] {2}

05:19:23 asciilifeform: moiety: it'll go in my Mobile Oppression Palace (tm).

05:19:29 asciilifeform: http://theinfosphere.org/Mobile_Oppression_Palace

05:19:31 ozbot: Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki

05:19:31 benkay: back in my semi days i had major wood for the synova machines

05:21:12 asciilifeform: the bigger cutters tend to have circulating (vs. sealed) lasing gas, which is a royal bitch.

05:21:41 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10467 @ 0.00086288 = 9.0318 BTC [-] {2}

05:21:50 asciilifeform: perhaps some hero, somewhere, has fit one in a 30 m^2 flat, but not me.

05:22:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that rather than having a precision mounted, high power supercolimated laser to blind pilots half mile away at the cost of about a million or so

05:22:54 mircea_popescu: one could just as well fire an anti-tank missile.

05:23:00 asciilifeform: strela.

05:23:07 mircea_popescu: as far as my memory serves those things do customarily bridge a half mile gap

05:23:16 mircea_popescu: and they don't make armored airplanes just yet

05:23:26 asciilifeform: or 'strela-blok', the automatic/unmanned version.

05:23:34 moiety: lol naturally! perfect place asciilifeform

05:23:36 mircea_popescu: cost per shot is like what, 7k ?

05:23:42 asciilifeform: brilliant simplicity, unmanned aerial 'mine.'

05:24:03 asciilifeform: (more or less simply 'strela' with the seek-trigger taped down.)

05:24:50 mircea_popescu: moar like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumbar

05:25:25 asciilifeform: if the plane is in musket range, sure.

05:26:06 mircea_popescu: 1km

05:26:47 mircea_popescu: the whole thing is like 20 lbs, you can carry three.

05:27:04 asciilifeform: wire guide. you need a skilled user.

05:27:15 mircea_popescu: not as skilled as someone firing the laser.

05:27:17 benkay: thrust vectoring!

05:27:29 mircea_popescu: and besides... the plane is not as hard to hit as a barn

05:31:05 asciilifeform: no big feat of high tech, to break a defenseless flying bus.

05:31:13 mircea_popescu: indeed.

05:31:26 mircea_popescu: even if you miss it you got a good chance of downing it

05:31:52 asciilifeform: even a toy chopper in the intake might be problematic.

05:31:59 asciilifeform: as we will probably learn one day

05:32:05 mircea_popescu: throw pigeons at the pilot

05:32:13 asciilifeform: 'frozen goose test'

05:32:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 625 @ 0.00018001 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2}

05:33:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7648 @ 0.00086485 = 6.6144 BTC [+]

05:34:15 mircea_popescu: so where is the big scare about all the people with their ATM systems within 2 miles of airports ?

05:34:47 mircea_popescu: seems a lot more practical to fly a RC plane carring a load of cherry bombs into a plane than to aim laser pointers at the cockpit

05:34:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14194 @ 0.00017699 = 2.5122 BTC [-] {5}

05:35:51 chetty: They are working on it, searching cars and stuff. Pretty soon no cars withing 2miles of airport (hmm bitbet fodder)

05:36:14 mircea_popescu: the strella-mounted segway

05:37:09 asciilifeform: toy chopper + several ir bolometers (as used in burglar alarms.)

05:37:17 asciilifeform: poor man's strela.

05:39:59 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9402 @ 0.0008695 = 8.175 BTC [+]

05:41:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.124 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}

05:41:40 chetty: << waves at the NSA guy recording

05:42:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.123 = 0.246 BTC [-]

05:48:26 mircea_popescu: o wait. i remember now. strela was the only portion of iraq's revolutionary guard that actually did any damage whatsoever

05:48:41 mircea_popescu: there were what, a dozen or two planes lost to the... 5 batteries they had ?

05:49:59 benkay: better kill rate than the Boeing batteries...

05:52:22 chetty: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2556586/Reach-sky-Overzealous-Heathrow-security-officials-confiscate-Toy-Story-cowboy-Woody-DOLLS-miniature-gun.html

05:52:23 ozbot: Reach for the sky Overzealous Heathrow security officials confiscate Toy Story cowboy Woody DOLL'S m

05:55:32 moiety: lol@dailymail

05:57:16 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00086339 = 7.8568 BTC [-] {2}

05:57:55 chetty: somebody make guncoin!

05:58:17 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1292 @ 0.000475 = 0.6137 BTC [+] {2}

05:58:56 mircea_popescu: wow yeah, no ammocoin ?

06:03:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00086725 = 33.4759 BTC [+] {2}

06:09:33 moiety: lolol i love scotland https://twitter.com/ailsabm/status/433154320029454336/photo/1

06:12:01 benkay: you live in scotland, i gather moiety?

06:12:16 moiety: yep benkay

06:12:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00086745 = 7.4167 BTC [+]

06:12:37 moiety: i can send you some really nice whiskey lol

06:12:51 mircea_popescu: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-grid-attack-20140211,0,7627269.story

06:12:52 ozbot: Sophisticated but low-tech power grid attack baffles authorities - latimes.com

06:12:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^

06:12:58 benkay: pleaes do

06:13:04 mircea_popescu: they be hiring armed guards soon

06:13:44 benkay: ah good the privitization of the North American polizei will begin shortly

06:14:15 mircea_popescu: helps the economy anyway

06:14:46 mircea_popescu: if 100 mn people shuffle paper, 100mn people prop rifles guarding them and the rest do laundry, moccacinos and babysitting for the other two groups

06:14:55 mircea_popescu: the dollar can go but up up up.

06:16:02 mircea_popescu: " The FBI is still working the case, and agents say they are confident it was not the work of terrorists.

06:16:02 mircea_popescu: What they do not have is a motive, fingerprints or suspects."

06:16:21 mircea_popescu: here's a free theory : silicon valley entertains these delusions of fighting the bitcoin republic.

06:17:17 mircea_popescu: i hope i'm not too late for the theory parade.

06:24:28 benkay: implying these were bitterrists?

06:24:38 mircea_popescu: not implying anything at all

06:24:44 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4239 @ 0.00086271 = 3.657 BTC [-]

06:24:53 mircea_popescu: merely observing that if the us holds no bitcoin, the continued existence of the us is of no further importance.

06:25:33 mircea_popescu: wanna-be leaders are playing with their own future and that's about all.

06:32:11 benkay: eh

06:32:15 benkay: the smart ones are long

06:32:31 benkay: all local power structures are in for a serious shakeup

06:37:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00017445 = 0.157 BTC [-] {4}

06:39:15 mircea_popescu: can't hurt anything.

06:43:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: power grid shenanigan is old news. pinged you when it went public.

06:43:12 moiety: that gold crackhead actually broke imgur. still cant get it to load...and i never even saw her!

06:43:27 mircea_popescu: certainly, old news.

06:43:40 mircea_popescu: moiety maybe it's banned in your country ?

06:43:56 asciilifeform: either an 'own goal' (the finest security theatre) or a 'floor model.'

06:43:59 moiety: i usually use it.... must be the crack element

06:44:21 asciilifeform: given the almost total lack of english-language news coverage of the event, probably #2.

06:44:47 asciilifeform: like that chinese rocket test off the CA coast.

06:46:20 asciilifeform: it's a horse head on a pillow. demo.

06:47:16 asciilifeform: that, or GRU lives, and it's #1 beautifully masquerading as #2.

06:48:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086 = 3.44 BTC [-]

06:48:46 mircea_popescu: lol

06:49:22 mircea_popescu: nobody's gassing anybody dood. the times when men were men and stuff happened are long gone.

06:49:59 mircea_popescu: now the downside of dumping the entire bulk of us secrets on the open market is... well... you won't get any ice in your soda. THATLL TEACH YOU!

06:50:16 mircea_popescu: sort-of like how kramer removed the dessicant packets from some store.

06:51:12 mircea_popescu: so sony bonds are now junk

06:51:28 mircea_popescu: who'd have thought this, sony, the king&queen of foundries, the master of entertainment

06:52:56 moiety: [imgur worked]

06:53:15 benkay: link?

06:53:50 mircea_popescu: ;;later mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17.

06:53:51 gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "mike_c" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.

06:53:54 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey check out SNE : 95 revenue per share, trading at 17.

06:53:55 gribble: The operation succeeded.

06:54:02 moiety: http://i.imgur.com/kqrYBFI.jpg

06:54:30 BingoBoingo: In the coming decades there will probably be some "Japanese Syndrome" appearing in scholarly paper supposing something or another explains Sony. I doubt it will get to the root cause which is the Japanese fucking drought.

06:54:30 moiety: oh dear god whats wrong with her face

06:54:55 mircea_popescu: and a book value per share of roughly twice the share price. incredible.

06:55:19 mircea_popescu: moiety cocksucking does that eventually.

06:57:50 moiety: i think my laptop was trying to protect me by blocking imgur

06:58:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0694 = 0.4858 BTC [-] {2}

06:58:19 cazalla: it's goldmember

06:58:23 cazalla: hish farja

06:58:35 mircea_popescu: cazalla has it lol. bitcoin floundation gold member.

06:58:53 moiety: lol!

07:02:06 moiety: what's happened with BTCe? 40k?

07:03:01 moiety: they've said they aren't covering it

07:04:12 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1r82hw/if_you_lose_your_email_provider_all_of_your_coins/


07:04:22 mircea_popescu: derp security model : why use gpg keys ? use emails instead!

07:04:25 mircea_popescu: just as good...

07:05:40 Duffer1: top comment "I dont recommend anyone to hold their money in one exchange but 3 different"

07:06:14 moiety: thank you mircea_popescu

07:06:49 Duffer1: moiety 40k?

07:06:58 moiety: they are saying they have been hacked to the tune of 40,000btc

07:07:19 Duffer1: where are they saying this?

07:08:02 moiety: oh wait, im getting told from someone else. the wallet the alleged hacker has, has 40k in it

07:08:17 Duffer1: ah

07:08:56 moiety: that's what i hated most about being scammed. i could see where it went and couldn't do anything about it

07:09:16 Duffer1: how much did you get taken for?

07:09:22 moiety: 1.6 btc

07:09:27 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you busy ?

07:09:47 Duffer1: sucks man, sorry to hear it

07:09:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For some definitions, but not especially busy.

07:09:58 cazalla: 1.6 isn't too bad

07:10:02 benkay: you got off light, moiety.

07:10:13 mircea_popescu: how about making a complete collection of satoshi's letters to the various email lists ?

07:10:24 mircea_popescu: ima adnotate and publish that bitch

07:11:17 moiety: thanks guys. oh i know that benkay, thing was, it wasn't my BTC

07:11:31 benkay: ka-yikes.

07:11:35 moiety: and its a lot when you don't have it to replace instantly

07:11:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Why not? Shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as trying to get a useful transcript out of that NYDFS abortion.

07:11:50 mircea_popescu: cool.

07:12:42 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You have a timeline in mind?

07:12:50 cazalla: moiety: so you lost it recently?

07:12:50 mircea_popescu: not particularly.

07:12:53 mircea_popescu: ideally before i forget.

07:13:53 BingoBoingo: I'll try to get them together within a week or two.

07:14:06 moiety: lol nooo cazalla this is what makes it even worse! It was when they were like around $1k!

07:14:17 BingoBoingo: Have no idea how many there actually are

07:14:35 moiety: will *not* happen to me again though! tell yous that!

07:15:15 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bout a mb

07:15:29 mircea_popescu: rounded to the closest mb.

07:15:58 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Any good ideas where to begin looking? I know the early ones are on the cryptography mailing list.

07:16:11 moiety: BingoBoingo: i know you said to do this months ago too.... but im vanitying as we speak! :)

07:16:14 mircea_popescu: yeah, that'd be my idea

07:17:46 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Here's the Cryptography mailing list emails: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=cryptography@metzdowd.com&q=from:%22Satoshi+Nakamoto%22

07:18:31 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you reduce the search to "satoshi" you find 2x as many hits

07:18:38 mircea_popescu: also worth googling by emails etc.

07:19:58 benkay: don't forget, BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3;sa=showPosts


07:20:57 BingoBoingo: Oh, particularly relevant to the current GOx trouble: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2151.msg28228#msg28228

07:21:16 mircea_popescu: lol benkay is a zombie

07:21:20 mircea_popescu: wishes to spread his blessings

07:22:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18951 @ 0.00085948 = 16.288 BTC [-] {3}

07:23:45 benkay: also relevant to things

07:23:58 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the one thing of course is that there was that guy earlier declaring he hs proof satoshi = nick szabo on the grounds of linguistic analysis

07:24:03 benkay: "Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale"

07:24:07 mircea_popescu: can't hurt to compare your eventual set with his.

07:24:51 mircea_popescu: nothing ever scales until it does.

07:26:14 BingoBoingo: Ok, so the pre- November 22nd, 2009 forum is gone from sourceforge.

07:26:24 mircea_popescu: interesting how that works huh.

07:28:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 37 @ 0.05877025 = 2.1745 BTC [+] {8}

07:30:15 BingoBoingo: The internet is better at forgetting than people give it credit for.

07:31:18 midnightmagic: It's not gone, there are copies.

07:31:58 benkay: midnightmagic: it'd be a blessing to history if you'd help track one down.

07:33:16 midnightmagic: benkay: I agree. :-( The complete collected writing of Satoshi I think would provide incredible insight overall just as simple reading material. Unfortunately since bitcointalk edits history enormously, the history will likely never be complete.

07:33:36 benkay: *shrug*

07:33:40 benkay: something's better than nothing!

07:33:44 midnightmagic: I agree.

07:37:06 benkay: ha shit so in this case bitbet could be used as a bounty system

07:39:57 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 332 @ 0.00086045 = 0.2857 BTC [+]

07:40:06 benkay: "archives of pre 2009 bitcointalk.org will be posted for public consumption by thus and such a date"

07:40:09 benkay: 10btc on no

07:40:57 benkay: anyone with a copy of the forum can post 0.1 on yes, post the copies and claim the reward.

07:43:06 mircea_popescu: or even without the copy.

07:43:46 mircea_popescu: anyway, ima see you all later. don't break anything

07:44:33 moiety: cheerio! i can't promise..

08:10:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0485 = 0.194 BTC [-]

08:21:16 KRS-One: .bait

08:21:18 ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/avatar_006ce2d000e8_512.png

08:25:05 KRS-One: .bait

08:25:10 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma0t1e9Zel1qb139no1_1280.jpg

08:25:28 KRS-One: Oh...my....gawd.

08:25:32 KRS-One: My dreamgirl.

08:28:39 moiety: she doesnt look real dude

08:28:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00086476 = 14.4415 BTC [+] {2}

08:29:25 moiety: ;;later tell benkay neither! I take it back!

08:29:25 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:29:32 moiety: yay

08:29:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04770007 = 0.5724 BTC [-] {4}

08:34:51 moiety: ;;later tell benkay wrong again, but i know now :P

08:34:51 gribble: The operation succeeded.

08:50:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00086591 = 9.7848 BTC [+]

09:03:19 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.573 BTC [+]

09:15:31 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00086402 = 9.1586 BTC [-]

09:20:36 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.07792113 = 2.4935 BTC [+] {8}

09:34:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5636 @ 0.00086398 = 4.8694 BTC [-] {2}

09:42:58 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086415 = 4.7528 BTC [+]

09:54:04 kakobrekla: lolz

09:54:05 kakobrekla: https://www.bitstamp.net:443/article/bitcoin-withdraws-suspended/

09:54:06 ozbot: Bitcoin withdrawal processing suspended - Bitstamp

09:54:09 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086415 = 2.3764 BTC [+]

10:09:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]

10:09:25 assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.00198459 = 0.3969 BTC [+]

10:10:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086415 = 0.3025 BTC [+]

10:11:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1777 @ 0.00016951 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {5}

10:11:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.000107 = 0.535 BTC [-]

10:12:27 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00086605 = 0.5196 BTC [+]

10:13:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 10000 @ 0.000107 = 1.07 BTC [-]

10:15:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15510 @ 0.00086393 = 13.3996 BTC [-] {3}

10:18:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.080007 = 0.56 BTC [+]

10:22:37 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1262 @ 0.000107 = 0.135 BTC [-]

10:23:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 13000 @ 0.000105 = 1.365 BTC [-]

10:24:39 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00086605 = 4.1137 BTC [+] {2}

10:25:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086672 = 10.834 BTC [+] {2}

10:28:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00086675 = 0.3034 BTC [+]

10:35:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086798 = 5.9023 BTC [+] {2}

10:39:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.08 = 1.92 BTC [-]

10:58:07 jurov: benkay we tried a bounty "bitcoin spec to be published by summer" but obviously it did not work :D

11:02:11 kakobrekla: ;;seen cmyers

11:02:12 gribble: I have not seen cmyers.

11:04:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086809 = 6.0766 BTC [+]

11:12:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04896988 = 0.1959 BTC [+]

11:20:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04896988 = 0.4407 BTC [+] {2}

11:26:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.080007 = 4.0004 BTC [+]

11:27:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04896988 = 0.2448 BTC [+] {2}

11:40:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086804 = 4.7742 BTC [-]

11:50:53 KRS-One: Did jew guys see this? McCaleb is back-

11:50:54 KRS-One: http://newsbtc.com/2014/02/11/mt-gox-founder-jed-mccaleb-announces-secret-bitcoin-project/

11:50:59 KRS-One: .bait

11:51:01 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m81qwnSHG61qfn16so1_1280.jpg

11:51:12 KRS-One: fail

11:51:13 KRS-One: .bait

11:51:15 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maid1oWPFS1rn3jhgo1_500.png

11:51:25 KRS-One: .bait

11:51:27 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdx96pnVPf1r3mxnxo1_1280.jpg

11:51:51 KRS-One: wtf she has dirty man feet

11:58:26 KRS-One: http://i.imgur.com/auLSxMu.jpg

11:58:31 KRS-One: I vote 'A', Bitcorn.

11:59:12 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53999999 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2}

12:08:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]

12:08:23 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

12:18:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086768 = 7.6356 BTC [-]

12:19:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [-]

12:29:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00086812 = 17.102 BTC [+] {3}

12:35:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086867 = 10.6412 BTC [+] {2}

12:53:05 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

12:56:08 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5467 @ 0.00086934 = 4.7527 BTC [+]

12:58:10 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14247 @ 0.00086764 = 12.3613 BTC [-] {2}

12:58:33 usaoscoin: KRS-One: that last one is not very hot

13:06:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19593 @ 0.00086724 = 16.9918 BTC [-] {3}

13:07:19 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00086934 = 13.3009 BTC [+]

13:30:42 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086665 = 11.0065 BTC [-] {4}

13:33:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086329 = 3.4532 BTC [-]

13:57:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.124 BTC [-]

13:59:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52002001 = 1.04 BTC [-]

14:02:03 ThickAsThieves: .Q GRIBBLE

14:03:12 KRS-One: usaoscoin: yeah and I have a thing about females having man hands or man feet. Don't blame me if you begin to notice this more =D

14:03:24 KRS-One: Ever see a girl with a man-ass?

14:03:38 usaoscoin: I was talking about http://i.imgur.com/auLSxMu.jpg

14:04:26 kakobrekla: you know we ar eopen you here, you can just say you like men KRS-One

14:05:23 kakobrekla: and we understand you are using .bait excessively to help cover for it

14:12:57 ThickAsThieves: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/02/castaway-fisherman-returns-el-salvador-201421254114337717.html

14:13:07 ThickAsThieves: "Crowd gathers to welcome man who says he spent a year adrift in the Pacific Ocean, surviving on fish and turtle blood."

14:16:27 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.0056871 = 0.3697 BTC [-]

14:21:32 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8270 @ 0.00086345 = 7.1407 BTC [+]

14:23:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-]

14:28:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.04668543 = 0.8403 BTC [-] {5}

14:29:40 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00086329 = 11.1364 BTC [-]

14:32:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00086591 = 17.7512 BTC [+] {2}

14:35:23 btc-monkey: !ticker havelock am1

14:35:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.49550000 / 0.52362164 / 0.57900200 (178 shares, 93.20465206 BTC), 7D: 0.49000000 / 0.53917608 / 0.61000000 (898 shares, 484.18012358 BTC), 30D: 0.34000000 / 0.53484515 / 0.74500000 (4452 shares, 2381.13062938 BTC)

14:36:14 btc-monkey: !last h am1

14:36:14 assbot: Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.52002001 BTC [-]

14:42:12 KRS-One: kakobrekla: I'll hold off on the feminine European jokes and just say I have more hetero-juice in my chesthairs then I really need =D

14:43:29 KRS-One: you don't see man-feet in that last pic?

14:43:30 ThickAsThieves: you prefer men finish on your chest?

14:43:39 KRS-One: lmao

14:43:46 KRS-One: gross

14:43:51 ThickAsThieves: you said it not me

14:44:01 KRS-One: yes..i did lol

14:44:14 KRS-One: foot->mouth

14:44:24 ThickAsThieves: also a foot fetish?

14:44:29 KRS-One: no way

14:44:35 KRS-One: read: man-feet above

14:44:50 KRS-One: this needs a bait moment

14:44:51 KRS-One: .bait

14:44:53 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7iqp6MIxk1r1rxrbo1_1280.png

14:45:04 ThickAsThieves: throw her back!

14:45:12 KRS-One: haha! she's a good catch

14:45:17 KRS-One: hey did you see this site?

14:45:17 KRS-One: https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/

14:45:24 ThickAsThieves: yes

14:45:30 ThickAsThieves: i linked it a day or two ago

14:45:37 KRS-One: oh my bad

14:45:42 ThickAsThieves: how dare you!

14:45:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499998 BTC [+]

14:46:04 ThickAsThieves: interesting who created it

14:46:07 ThickAsThieves: and that he's saying so

14:47:46 KRS-One: yea

14:47:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5499999 BTC [+]

14:48:01 KRS-One: how do i search the #bitcoin-assets log? Just do a google search?

14:52:23 deadweasel: seems like the way, if you can't grep your own logs

14:52:51 KRS-One: when im not connected to IRC i'm not logging irc.

14:53:02 KRS-One: Heh this is funny: http://cltampa.com/binary/97f1/1_bounce_ball_dildo_exercise_sexercise_toy.jpg

14:53:21 KRS-One: Maybe we should send MtGox some new bounce balls to sit on.

14:57:07 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [-]

15:00:27 deadweasel: i'm pretty sure they capable of fucking themselves w/o our help.

15:02:06 deadweasel: or with the elp of a dildo/yoga ball

15:10:20 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00086329 = 12.0861 BTC [-] {2}

15:10:20 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00535987 = 0.5253 BTC [-] {6}

15:12:22 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00530421 = 0.1963 BTC [-] {2}

15:20:30 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7917 @ 0.00086717 = 6.8654 BTC [+] {2}

15:26:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086741 = 6.9393 BTC [+] {3}

15:35:28 Apocalyptic: "mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" // mircea may have some insights on that

15:35:45 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10748 @ 0.00086461 = 9.2928 BTC [-]

15:37:16 jurov: o, he's expert on romanian orphanages?

15:37:56 ThickAsThieves: jurov you pm'd me?

15:38:14 jurov: yes, you did not receive anything?

15:38:24 ThickAsThieves: just "hello"

15:38:57 jurov: i'll retry without otr

15:39:24 jurov: got it now?

15:40:13 jurov: D:

15:42:25 Apocalyptic: jurov, well that's where he picks up the chicks right ?

15:43:06 jurov: ThickAsThieves: still nothing? i see everything you pm me

16:00:43 ThickAsThieves: "Has anyone thought about holding a decentralized conference as well? "

16:01:23 mike_c: i guess he hasn't heard of this channel.

16:01:51 jurov: bitcoin-assets : the longest ongoing bitcoin conference

16:02:27 ThickAsThieves: what's next, Has anyone considering decentralizing love?

16:02:34 jurov: yes

16:02:41 jurov: it's called polyamory

16:03:10 ThickAsThieves: i suppose

16:03:39 ThickAsThieves: requires using the blockchain somehow

16:03:40 pankkake: and what's decentralized sex

16:03:49 ThickAsThieves: ozbot

16:04:18 jurov: how to decentralize glory holes ?

16:04:34 pankkake: so basically decentralized is masturbation. seems consistent

16:05:06 ThickAsThieves: it's a lot of people doing alone, what they could be doing together

16:05:23 ThickAsThieves: anywho

16:06:06 ThickAsThieves: "The journey is over for China's moon rover. China's state news agency is reporting today that the country's space agency has not been able to restore function to the Jade Rabbit rover"

16:06:11 asciilifeform: one could imagine a 'decentralized conference'. send ascii chars as low-bytes of TX to addr A.

16:06:13 ThickAsThieves: shoulda decentralized it

16:06:27 asciilifeform: imagine if every byte you threw in this channel cost a few satoshi.

16:06:35 asciilifeform: all the bums/beggars would be gone...

16:07:04 asciilifeform: it would be a little slow. perhaps more like mailing list than irc.

16:07:37 benkay: now imagine if emails cost a few satoshi.

16:07:54 ThickAsThieves: would be awesome

16:08:09 asciilifeform: this is quite easy to build

16:08:11 asciilifeform: anyone can do it.

16:08:23 asciilifeform: trick is - getting your phriends to use it.

16:08:49 asciilifeform: would certainly encourage terseness.

16:09:21 pankkake: actually, that's one of the earliest proof of work ideas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash

16:09:28 ThickAsThieves: then drivel communications could be left for facebook etc

16:09:29 asciilifeform: pankkake: correct.

16:11:10 asciilifeform: the server (if one may call it that) could even be programmed to return coin to the sending addr every now and then

16:11:21 asciilifeform: except, obviously, for folks who are kicked out of the 'channel' in disgrace

16:11:24 asciilifeform: (e.g. spammers)

16:12:01 asciilifeform: blockchain then becomes the log.

16:12:05 pankkake: I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website

16:12:06 asciilifeform: and no need for gribble

16:12:18 asciilifeform: (everybody's handle is their addr)

16:14:00 asciilifeform: anyone with a btc node could be the 'server.'

16:14:13 ThickAsThieves: <pankkake> I was thinking of creating a service for that. pay X coins to create an identity that will be allowed without captchas on any compatible website ---- this falls under same premise as me wanting the WoT to be user/service friendly

16:14:41 benkay: wot apps are not hard

16:14:45 benkay: "i am user thus and such"

16:14:50 benkay: emit gpg challenge

16:14:53 ThickAsThieves: make like Wotsy or whatever, and use it for auth all over the web

16:15:03 Apocalyptic: "Wotsy" horrible name

16:15:24 Apocalyptic: it's like OpenID

16:15:25 ThickAsThieves: Apocalypticsy then

16:15:34 benkay: receive and process response to challenge, return "yes" or "no" to service who's curious about a particular login

16:15:37 pankkake: eh, a few months ago, I was looking for something to write, and a guy told me "make otc user friendly"

16:16:04 benkay: your barrier is still the GPG part. no amout of user-friendliness is going to get past the challenges most internet users will have with gpg authentication.

16:16:05 pankkake: but things like openpgpjs are not secure

16:16:36 asciilifeform: luser-friendly -> user-hostile.

16:16:41 asciilifeform: as observed by MP and others.

16:16:59 pankkake: creates a false sense of security at least

16:17:01 ThickAsThieves: just use bitcoin wallet signing then

16:17:08 Apocalyptic: that's even worse

16:17:30 ThickAsThieves: then i leave these things to people that know better

16:17:32 pankkake: yes, why not. but it's not especially friendlier, you have to copy paste etc.

16:18:04 benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjL6Y-c-HUo

16:18:04 gribble: The operation succeeded.

16:18:08 pankkake: I was thinking of generating GPG contracts for trades etc., the whole thing

16:18:35 Apocalyptic: i never really got why gribble allows a btc-address based identiy

16:19:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00086565 = 10.9938 BTC [+]

16:20:05 ThickAsThieves: why shouldnt it?

16:21:28 pankkake: it's just less practical for authentication, GPG keys are much more flexible and secure especially if you use multiple computers

16:21:37 Apocalyptic: why would people use that whereas there is a GPG identity system based exactly for that purpose, much older and wider spread

16:21:40 pankkake: you can only use subkeys for example

16:21:54 Apocalyptic: pankkake probably said it better than me

16:22:25 pankkake: supports revocation, too. basically bitcoin signatures are "lower level", you have a public/private key and that's it

16:22:37 Apocalyptic: to me it comes unatural to use btc-privkey for auth purposes

16:22:55 ThickAsThieves: lower level, seems user friendlier

16:23:07 benkay: just because there's a keypair in there doesn't mean one should use it.

16:23:24 ThickAsThieves: does it mean they shouldnt though?

16:23:33 benkay: "we need a feature!" strikes again.

16:24:27 pankkake: you can use it, there's just no advantage in using it

16:24:43 benkay: from an opsec perspective, many disadvantages.

16:24:49 pankkake: and you're stuck with that priv/pub key forever

16:24:56 benkay: the answer to your question is yes, ThickAsThieves.

16:25:19 benkay: btc keypairs are ephemeral. gpg has a whole toolchain around the use-cases for crypto that have, you know, actually been thought through.

16:25:37 benkay: maybe poorly, but nowhere near as poorly as those in the wild for btc message signing.

16:26:07 benkay: what about btc-key based decryption of messages? do we have this yet? i've never looked for the functionality.

16:26:22 pankkake: bitcoin's encryption choices come from the need to have small outputs too, gpg doesn't and can thus do a lot of other things

16:26:35 Apocalyptic: indeed

16:26:54 ThickAsThieves: ive only used either for the same purposes mostly

16:27:02 ThickAsThieves: verification of a message or identity

16:27:07 ThickAsThieves: decryption*

16:27:22 ThickAsThieves: i'm not arguing against what you say

16:27:36 ThickAsThieves: just saying btc message signing has worked just fine for me

16:27:52 ThickAsThieves: so has gpg

16:28:11 ThickAsThieves: gpg to the infrequent user is a little more tedious

16:28:17 pankkake: another feature is signing other's keys. basically, serves as identity verification

16:29:06 pankkake: well actually you don't sign the key, you sign an identity (name+mail usually)

16:30:02 btc-monkey: !last h am1

16:30:02 assbot: Last trade for AM1 on HAVELOCK was at 0.5499999 BTC [+]

16:30:20 benkay: operational security is one of those things that can be done entirely incorrectly and feel so right to the end-user.

16:31:48 benkay: this is one of the reasons I want a cardano.

16:32:01 jurov: nekay, gpg key is no less ephemeral than bitcoin

16:32:08 jurov: *benkay

16:32:27 benkay: jurov: that's a little pedantic, neh?

16:32:56 benkay: fully granted that they're both just bits on disk.

16:32:57 jurov: either you backup it and risk it will leak (or that you forget the passphrase)

16:33:06 jurov: or you don't backup

16:33:17 Apocalyptic: jurov, he didn't meant ephemeral in that way

16:33:18 benkay: but btc addresses are generated and thrown away regularly in the satoshi client.

16:33:18 jurov: and will lose it anyway

16:33:43 jurov: orly? afaik they ware never wiped out from the wallet

16:33:46 benkay: a gpg keypair is meant to endure through many many uses.

16:33:49 jurov: *are never

16:34:04 benkay: not "wiped" no but one can exceed the 100 pregenerated addresses

16:34:13 jurov: whaaaa?

16:34:37 benkay: iirc, wallets are written to disk with the next hundred receipt addresses

16:34:39 benkay: (upon generation)

16:34:45 Apocalyptic: a wallet can have more than 100 adresses

16:34:53 jurov: of course it's not limited, just increase the pool and it refills

16:34:56 Apocalyptic: and the "100" figure is just the default keypoolsize

16:35:02 jurov: automatically

16:35:02 Apocalyptic: you can change it at will

16:35:04 benkay: if you "ask" the client for more than that number of receipt addresses, your old backups become stale.

16:35:19 jurov: i have seen 120MB wallet in the wild, did not count how many addies

16:35:32 nubbins`: so, everyone enjoying sochi?

16:35:33 benkay: sure

16:35:39 benkay: kinda makes my point for me

16:35:53 benkay: addresses are spun up routinely. gpg keys should be treated differently.

16:35:56 jurov: ah so. but it's the same with pgp. if you swet expiry date as they recommend

16:35:59 jurov: *set

16:36:09 jurov: and don't backup after you have prolonged it

16:36:15 jurov: then it ends the same

16:37:05 jurov: all in all, i don't see any substantial difference

16:38:04 benkay: pedantry later

16:38:11 benkay: client meeting. api vendor wrangling.

16:38:48 jurov: btw, use electrum then. one passphrase forever.

16:40:49 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00086546 = 3.0291 BTC [-] {2}

16:41:17 nubbins`: just got a forum PM for a guy looking to do a face-to-face casascius-for-cash trade

16:41:19 nubbins`: that's a first

16:41:50 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.00086648 = 11.1343 BTC [+]

16:43:08 ThickAsThieves: terrorist probly

16:44:11 nubbins`: "i can probably find someone to meet you in most major cities. other than quebec."

16:49:34 nubbins`: •ﺑ•

16:52:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00086725 = 10.5805 BTC [+] {2}

16:52:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07252498 = 0.7252 BTC [+] {6}

16:53:01 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.073795 = 0.5904 BTC [+] {2}

16:54:02 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.07399555 = 0.666 BTC [+] {2}

17:00:08 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.43596731 BTC to 1`497 shares, 95923 satoshi per share

17:10:18 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00086385 = 12.6554 BTC [-] {2}

17:12:39 lysobit: assbot!

17:12:54 assbot: :*

17:12:55 lysobit: that was underwhelming

17:13:52 kakobrekla: you must be new?

17:13:58 lysobit: yes

17:14:05 kakobrekla: welcome

17:14:11 lysobit: thanks

17:14:22 assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 25086 @ 0.000105 = 2.634 BTC [-]

17:14:41 freztek: he only came in here to shout assbot.

17:17:25 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.0008681 = 2.6043 BTC [+]

17:18:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00086828 = 13.5886 BTC [+] {2}

17:18:59 kakobrekla: sup mjr_

17:21:36 kakobrekla: bye mjr_

17:29:31 Whoopziedaisy_: howdy yall!

17:30:38 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00086637 = 1.4728 BTC [-]

17:32:51 asciilifeform: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-12/another-jpmorgan-banker-dies-37-year-old-executive-director-program-trading

17:32:53 ozbot: Another JPMorgan Banker Dies, 37 Year Old Executive Director Of Program Trading | Zero Hedge

17:35:43 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00086516 = 3.6769 BTC [-] {2}

17:44:07 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay so what is that ?

17:44:07 gribble: The operation succeeded.

17:53:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00086854 = 1.7371 BTC [+]

17:59:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00086862 = 6.8621 BTC [+] {2}

18:06:14 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.123 BTC [-]

18:06:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

18:17:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.07388095 = 1.5515 BTC [+] {2}

18:17:26 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8473 @ 0.00086939 = 7.3663 BTC [+]

18:20:53 mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: "mark karpeles was raised in a romanian orphanage" << wait, WHAT ?!

18:21:02 mircea_popescu: no.fucking.wai.

18:22:07 mircea_popescu: jurov: it's called polyamory << don't be silly, that's not decentralised love, that's just love without arbitrary barriers to entry.

18:22:14 mircea_popescu: love is always centralised by its nature.

18:22:55 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: imagine if every byte you threw in this channel cost a few satoshi. << eventually the chan will work like mpex, +m and it costs w/e to have voice.

18:23:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was the object of the (gedanken)experiment, yes.

18:24:05 mircea_popescu: i made fraudsters +m at some point in 2012 when i was sick of the romanians' drivel

18:24:09 mircea_popescu: has worked admirably so far.

18:24:16 mircea_popescu: before that, it was doing 5k lines a day or some shit

18:24:53 asciilifeform: you'd 'log in' once, by sending a tx with some specified value to 'A' (addr of 'channel') and two others, say, X and Y. low byte of every tx value X->Y is a payload byte.

18:25:10 asciilifeform: 'recycle' the coin by moving from Y->X when some time passes (to minimize fee.)

18:25:15 mircea_popescu: http://fraudsters.com/2012/o-luna-de-fraudsters-prin-ochii-lu-gribble/

18:25:17 ozbot: O luna de #fraudsters, prin ochii lu’ gribble pe fraudsters - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

18:25:23 asciilifeform: X and Y become your 'handle'

18:25:26 mircea_popescu: no wait i was wrong, it did 60k lines in a month. so about like this thing.

18:26:13 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform experimentally, you don't need that much code because not that many people will be paying anyway.

18:26:31 asciilifeform: this would require very little code.

18:26:57 asciilifeform: authentication is 'automatic', in the sense that only an addr's owner can send from it.

18:27:11 mircea_popescu: even so. you can just make it "donate 0.10000586" btc to #freenode's btc addy

18:27:12 asciilifeform: 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller)

18:27:12 mircea_popescu: and that's all

18:27:34 asciilifeform: you can easily dispense with 'Y' if you're ok with an 'expensive' channel.

18:27:54 deadweasel: freenode doesn't take donations anymore, iirc

18:27:56 asciilifeform: then you get 'mailcoin' (or call it what you like)

18:28:21 ThickAsThieves: Klout, controversial service that measured online 'influence,' reportedly being acquired for $100 million

18:28:31 ThickAsThieves: at least it wasnt a billion...

18:28:38 deadweasel: http://blog.freenode.net/2013/03/bye-bye-pdpc/

18:28:39 ozbot: Bye bye PDPC | staffblog

18:28:58 deadweasel: in fact, mp, why not start your own IRCnet? Then you could throttle everything at will.

18:29:02 deadweasel: :P

18:29:46 pankkake: irc networks are like standards

18:30:18 asciilifeform: in the proposed experiment, you get a whole bunch of problems solved 'for free', without moving parts

18:30:25 asciilifeform: the people who like decentralization get that

18:30:49 asciilifeform: spam and beggars vanish

18:30:56 asciilifeform: authentication is automagical, etc.

18:31:50 asciilifeform: and it would all fit in a page or so of your favourite prog. language.

18:31:51 mircea_popescu: deadweasel which explains why we're not doing i tyet :D

18:32:05 mircea_popescu: it's a good reserve power anyway, if we ever need to make our own irc network.

18:32:25 mircea_popescu: afaik they haven't yet decided whether they wish to have a future as the irc network where bitcoin happens or would rather not have any future at all.

18:32:37 mircea_popescu: the 2nd seems probable in some estimations, and so we wait.

18:32:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12221002 BTC [-]

18:33:21 mircea_popescu: (i personally don't think so, fwiw)

18:35:27 deadweasel: yea, those decisions tend to make themselves, in time.

18:35:47 asciilifeform: invent parachute before, not after, being thrown.

18:36:17 mircea_popescu: jurov: automatically << fie upon that word. think of it, gpg keypairs are not generated "automatically"

18:36:20 mircea_popescu: they take time

18:36:24 mircea_popescu: how sucky tech gpg has huh.

18:36:42 asciilifeform: 99% of the delay is /dev/random.

18:36:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [+]

18:36:53 mircea_popescu: !b the deadweasel-asciilifeform theorem.

18:37:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12211 BTC [-]

18:37:45 mircea_popescu: hey assbot is pming me dirty messages

18:38:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.

18:38:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221002 BTC [-]

18:43:15 mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/altcoin/comments/1xmckc/the_real_altcoin/cfcygfr

18:43:16 ozbot: crisader comments on The REAL Altcoin

18:43:21 mircea_popescu: ehehe. reddit doesn't get things.

18:43:24 mircea_popescu: WHY IS IT SO!!!!

18:43:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's actually a decent brand

18:43:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 36 @ 0.19376446 = 6.9755 BTC [+]

18:44:15 asciilifeform: hence why i bought them. yet old brain detritus dies hard.

18:44:37 asciilifeform: (more things ought to have scuttling valves!)

18:45:10 mircea_popescu: i could see sexually frustrated feminists proposing penis scuttle valves

18:46:10 asciilifeform: one twist, poor thing goes to the bottom of the sea?

18:46:19 mircea_popescu: just depressurizes

18:47:04 mircea_popescu: course the serious rapists would just start carrying strap-ons, but what's a feminist to know of economy

18:47:09 mircea_popescu: she's a commie by default.

18:47:12 asciilifeform: (cards, as you can probably guess, are for the mainboard breadboard...)

18:47:54 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10240 @ 0.00086939 = 8.9026 BTC [+]

18:48:55 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10339 @ 0.00086994 = 8.9943 BTC [+] {2}

18:51:58 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+] {2}

18:51:59 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [-]

18:52:00 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

18:53:14 mircea_popescu: diametric you about ?

18:58:17 asciilifeform: a kingston, for the navally-noobish:

18:58:18 asciilifeform: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flooding_Valve_Manifold.jpg

18:59:06 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087026 = 13.6631 BTC [+] {2}

18:59:50 ThickAsThieves: http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20131211235041-356899-paypal-looks-ahead-six-predictions-for-2014

18:59:53 ozbot: Big Idea 2014: Predictions from PayPal | LinkedIn

19:00:02 ThickAsThieves: 4. Bitcoin will continue to gain ground (but not as a currency)

19:00:06 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0055 = 0.825 BTC

19:00:18 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun

19:00:21 asciilifeform: not as a currency << as a coffee warmer?

19:00:57 mircea_popescu: it never was a "currency" to begin with.

19:01:09 mircea_popescu: some currencies out there are a bitcoin, if a very primitive sort and for short intervals.

19:01:14 Duffer1: 4. we're crapping our pants over here, please don't do to us what netflix did to blockbuster

19:02:03 ThickAsThieves: full text for the item is "Bitcoin will continue to attract more people as a store of value and a speculative investment asset. I predict that the value of Bitcoin still has the potential to double by the same time next year. But I believe it will have a hard time becoming mainstream as a currency, due to its expected continued volatility amidst regulation authorities and governments

19:02:04 ThickAsThieves: figuring out what to make of the cryptocurrency."

19:03:33 mircea_popescu: give the man a cookie. who is this ?

19:03:49 asciilifeform: paypal fuhrer?

19:03:55 Duffer1: president of paypal

19:04:07 Duffer1: david marcus

19:04:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.0818 = 0.3272 BTC [+]

19:06:29 mircea_popescu: so gavin is seriously saying "follow us @BTCFoundation " ?

19:06:33 mircea_popescu: is the man stupid or something ?

19:06:59 mircea_popescu: Duffer1 seems smart enough. i don't recall the last time a large fiat corp had a smart ceo.

19:07:37 Duffer1: is he smart enough to be worried is the question

19:07:43 asciilifeform: s/Bitcoin/usd/;s/double/half/

19:08:23 asciilifeform: s/becoming/remaining/

19:08:26 mircea_popescu: if anyone has a reference client they're not running atm, or space to run one : please do so.

19:08:47 mircea_popescu: all these idiots with their web bs are caught in a cloud of pseudotx relying

19:08:59 mircea_popescu: reference clients can cut it down quite easily, but apparently there's not actually that many

19:09:25 asciilifeform: classic bitcoind?

19:09:37 asciilifeform: how many, i wonder, are running

19:10:28 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:10:36 mircea_popescu: and from what i see ~1k

19:10:40 asciilifeform: woah

19:10:43 mircea_popescu: yes.

19:10:47 asciilifeform: 3 are mine

19:10:56 asciilifeform: thought these were a dime-a-dozen

19:10:59 asciilifeform: for some reason

19:11:06 mircea_popescu: well, 10 dimes in a dolla.

19:11:23 mircea_popescu: but no, originally there were ~60k as a high point cca 2011

19:11:25 asciilifeform: brotha can ye spare a dime/node

19:11:30 mircea_popescu: it's been going down steadily ever since.

19:11:39 mircea_popescu: which is quite a problem, really.

19:11:45 asciilifeform: proliferation of castrato 'wallets,' yeah.

19:12:11 mircea_popescu: myea.

19:12:16 mircea_popescu: beause people want stuff tio be "easier".

19:12:25 mircea_popescu: what, they're part of bitcoin now ? cool! so where's bitcoin supermarket ?

19:12:27 asciilifeform: used to be that mr. luser had to bite the bullet and delete a pron or two, download the blocks.

19:12:29 mircea_popescu: where's bitcoin credit card ?

19:12:35 mircea_popescu: where's bitcoin government ?

19:12:47 mircea_popescu: (togive them bitcoins on their bitcoin card to buy stuff in the bitcoin supermarket)

19:13:03 asciilifeform: using btpension from btgov ?

19:13:40 asciilifeform: good gift for these folks: a rubber hose. with mouthpiece and arsepiece on the respective ends.

19:13:56 asciilifeform: 'New!1! Eat For Free!'

19:14:09 mircea_popescu: it's not easy to insert.

19:14:16 CiPi: http://www.eweek.com/security/massive-ddos-attack-leveraged-network-timing-protocol-cloudflare.html

19:14:17 ozbot: Massive DDoS Attack Leveraged Network Timing Protocol: CloudFlare

19:15:59 mircea_popescu: still with this ?

19:16:11 mircea_popescu: cloudflare has been rehashing this story about every 3 months.

19:16:30 mircea_popescu: a) no cloudflare "customer" was ever protected by cloudflare of a "400 gpbs" attac

19:16:55 mircea_popescu: b) overall, the sum total of network time the cloudflare "customers" lost owing to cloudflare being a pos exceeds by degree of magnitude any mitigated "attacks"

19:17:01 asciilifeform: speaking of turdcraft, for anyone who missed it:

19:17:01 asciilifeform: http://www.kaspersky.com/about/news/virus/2014/Kaspersky-Lab-Uncovers-The-Mask-One-of-the-Most-Advanced-Global-Cyber-espionage-Operations-to-Date-Due-to-the-Complexity-of-the-Toolset-Used-by-the-Attackers

19:17:10 mircea_popescu: this is not even going into the CA spoofing bs they do.

19:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00086862 = 4.3431 BTC [-]

19:25:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.0818 = 0.6544 BTC [+]

19:27:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00087036 = 4.9611 BTC [+]

19:28:33 mircea_popescu: the massive derpage going on retardtalk, retarddit etc etc re spam txn really shows just how the population has changed.

19:28:48 mircea_popescu: i think bitcoin average has lost 20 points of iq over the past 2 years.

19:29:29 mircea_popescu: we've gone from "people could generally write a c compiler" to "people could not generally write hello world"

19:29:35 ThickAsThieves: sad considering this is the post-silk road wave

19:29:51 mircea_popescu: apparently drug use and intelligence don't correlate.

19:30:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7627 @ 0.00087036 = 6.6382 BTC [+]

19:31:40 jurov: people could generally write a c compiler? that was average 2yrs ago?

19:31:55 jurov: on trolltalk?

19:32:09 mircea_popescu: well ok ok im forcing a point.

19:32:17 jurov: :D

19:32:21 ThickAsThieves: we're just decentralizing the IQ points

19:32:31 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves now everyone can has one.

19:37:43 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]

19:37:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]

19:37:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

19:38:44 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]

19:38:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.123 = 0.369 BTC [+]

19:38:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

19:39:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-]

19:39:46 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]

19:39:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

19:41:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-]

19:41:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.12210001 = 0.3663 BTC [-]

19:41:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

19:43:49 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0725 = 0.145 BTC [-]

19:43:50 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]

19:44:27 asciilifeform: anybody here care to recommend a 3840x2160 display?

19:44:39 asciilifeform: (or greater)

19:44:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]

19:44:52 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}

19:46:33 mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2653

19:48:32 asciilifeform: budget psyop. are they down to hiring nigerian spam translators now?

19:48:46 asciilifeform: or is someone actually this... orgasmically stupid?

19:48:54 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [-]

19:48:55 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1221 = 0.3663 BTC [-]

19:48:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]

19:49:14 mircea_popescu: seeing how it discusses law enforcement, one'd expect everyone involved to be organically this stupid.

19:49:56 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1221 BTC [-]

19:49:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

19:49:58 mircea_popescu: after all the easier solution to not knowing something is to assume, not to find out.

19:50:04 asciilifeform: so presumably this was written from a jail. which one? where?

19:50:11 mircea_popescu: (course the even easier solution is to just not not know in the first place0

19:50:21 mircea_popescu: nah, they don't put people in jail anymore.

19:50:28 mircea_popescu: they just add those dog collars or w/e

19:50:39 mircea_popescu: what's the point of putting them in jail when they're already living in one anyway

19:51:42 asciilifeform: i'm still waiting for the actual appearance of the collars-with-detonators, familiar to all '90s cheap sf fans.

19:52:24 mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Douglas_Wells like ?

19:52:52 asciilifeform: nah, those exist

19:52:53 asciilifeform: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103239/

19:52:54 ozbot: Wedlock (1991) - IMDb

19:54:16 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha rutget hauer wat

19:57:20 mircea_popescu: anyway, those muppets really should have their own movie. just think :

19:57:34 mircea_popescu: highschool drop-out that's been working for 30 years as a pizza delivery boy

19:57:44 mircea_popescu: so lovable mentally retarded character

19:58:01 mircea_popescu: gets trapped in a plot between some ugly broad who thinks herself important and some really weird character

19:58:13 asciilifeform: yeah they did that one later.

19:58:33 mircea_popescu: to rob a bank via bomb device with artsy cane gun, so as to have enough funds to pay for the weird character's murder of the woman;s father

19:58:38 mircea_popescu: in order for her to inherit him

19:58:55 mircea_popescu: except the father is bankrupt and the bank is some shitty us venue with ~1500 dollars in cash on the premises.

19:59:07 mircea_popescu: it's epic, odysseus has nothing on this.

20:01:16 asciilifeform: on top of u.s. psot office btc,

20:01:17 asciilifeform: http://www.dailyfinance.com/on/post-office-plan-unbanked-payday-lending/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000058

20:01:18 ozbot: Post Office Plan May Revolutionize the Financial Lives of the Unbanked - DailyFinance

20:01:37 asciilifeform: nationalized 'check cashing' shops.

20:02:39 mircea_popescu: it is a major racket, that

20:02:43 mircea_popescu: mostly because well... cash is king.

20:03:00 asciilifeform: they have 'payday loans' built in, too.

20:10:30 ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/12/5405174/goatse-cx-pivots-again-to-become-a-dogecoin-supporter

20:10:50 ThickAsThieves: doge will take it where it can get it

20:10:56 ozbot: Goatse.cx pivots again to become a Dogecoin supporter | The Verge

20:10:57 pankkake: selling emails didn't work? eh.

20:13:44 dub: wow

20:14:03 pankkake: much gape

20:14:14 Duffer1: lol :(

20:14:43 pankkake: I remember they offered @goatse.cx emails but I thought it was too expensive for the novelty

20:15:02 jurov: only for srs bsns

20:23:28 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]

20:23:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00086872 = 15.5501 BTC [-] {2}

20:28:22 davout: this is awsome

20:29:16 mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/2kQcifM.gif

20:30:05 mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the funny thing of an advertising ponzi is that well... they keep burning the stuff.

20:30:09 davout: わいい

20:30:17 mircea_popescu: eventually they'll have to either fold or go for superbowl ads

20:30:25 davout: s/わいい/かわいい/

20:33:25 deadweasel: I was raised in a check cashing company.

20:33:34 deadweasel: I was cashing checks behind 2 inch glass when I was 14.

20:33:38 deadweasel: good times.

20:34:01 deadweasel: better racket: Lease-buy-backs.

20:34:10 deadweasel: 300% interest, but no! it's a lease fee!

20:34:23 deadweasel: and that's how I was able to afford college (which was mostly useless)

20:40:59 mircea_popescu: so you got scammed out of the money you scammed out of idiots, pretty much ?

20:41:17 jcpham: bam

20:42:04 jcpham: lol @ goatse @ dogecoin

20:42:37 jcpham: HUGE boost in legitimacy for doge

20:42:50 mircea_popescu: totally.

20:42:52 davout: if you read the comments there's the fiverr ad for the actor down there

20:43:11 davout: (in TAT's link)

20:43:44 mike_c: i love fiverr. great for gag gifts.

20:43:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12288 @ 0.00087036 = 10.695 BTC [+]

20:46:14 mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1610447/

20:46:15 ozbot: dpaste: #1610447

20:46:20 mircea_popescu: that may contribute to the daily lulz

20:46:51 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC

20:47:02 mircea_popescu: right in there with the strippers know better than to accept free btc from strangers.

20:47:30 mircea_popescu: i wonder what would average joe do if someone made an ipad app counting all the money he's lost each day over being a total derp.

20:47:52 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00087036 = 6.3536 BTC [+]

20:48:25 benkay: not install it?

20:48:37 mircea_popescu: i doubt he could do that.

20:48:51 mircea_popescu: otherwise the fact any apps are installed at all becomes inexplicable

20:48:55 mircea_popescu: at least this'd be useful.

20:49:27 benkay: no dopamine hit, no install.

20:50:11 mircea_popescu: oic. perhaps you got a point there.

20:50:19 benkay: hey that's two in as many days

20:51:07 mircea_popescu: obviously the pills are working :D

20:51:21 benkay: how are you drugging me from romania?

20:51:33 mircea_popescu: not me, babyface.

20:51:45 benkay: who put the pills in my cookie jar?

20:51:49 benkay: m.p.?

20:51:50 benkay: couldn't be.

20:51:52 benkay: then who?

20:51:53 mircea_popescu: who let teh dogs out

20:52:40 benkay: who let the doge out

20:53:45 mike_c: whoa, what do you want to advertise that would mean buying out tpb? that's probably 300 btc a month.

20:54:00 mircea_popescu: mike_c i'm just doing it to piss off the gfy community

20:54:06 mircea_popescu: exoclick is their baby

20:54:36 mike_c: hehe, i don't know what gfy is, but doing that just to piss someone off is great :)

20:54:47 mircea_popescu: ;;google gfy

20:54:48 gribble: Urban Dictionary: gfy: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gfy; The Go Fuck Yourself Home Page - Amish Rake Fight: http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/; Go Fug Yourself: Because Fugly Is The New Pretty: http://www.gofugyourself.com/

20:54:49 mircea_popescu: ;;google xbiz

20:54:50 gribble: XBIZ | Adult Industry News | Adult Webmaster Resources: http://www.xbiz.com/; XBIZ™ (XBIZ) on Twitter: https://twitter.com/XBIZ; XBIZ 360 - January 22-25, 2014: http://www.xbiz360.com/

20:55:49 punkman: exoclick specializes in matching shitty traffic to shitty ads

20:55:52 benkay: man i want to sell software to porn companies

20:55:59 benkay: pay me in trade baby

20:56:00 mircea_popescu: benkay they're destitute.

20:56:02 KRS-One: I want to scam nigerians.

20:56:10 benkay: so i gather :(

20:56:12 mircea_popescu: they used to be raking in the dough, cca 1993.

20:56:23 benkay: man

20:56:36 mircea_popescu: BACK THEN making a thumbnail autogallery could well be 50k in fees and free passes for everywhere

20:56:37 deadweasel: back when VHS purchases existed

20:56:38 benkay: the integral of the porn production curve is a SHITLOAD OF PORN

20:56:41 benkay: .bait

20:56:43 ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me66jgXVjN1qk2vvro1_1280.jpg

20:56:48 KRS-One: .bait

20:56:49 ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdhpfmq78T1rs43zlo1_500.jpg

20:56:59 benkay: mine's better.

20:57:08 KRS-One: benkay's is way better i want her

20:57:11 benkay: yeah too bad content delivery is totes a solved thing

20:57:38 KRS-One: you guys saw the new mt.gox bouncie balls right =D\

20:58:04 mircea_popescu: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb8qqaXdU61ru15g3o1_1280.jpg

20:58:08 benkay: bitcoin payments to the world's largest fuck-your-copyright stash of porn is a cool thing to build

20:58:19 benkay: :(

20:58:27 KRS-One: eww mircea, really?

20:58:30 benkay: so sad

20:58:33 mircea_popescu: mwahaha

20:58:40 benkay: much no

20:58:44 benkay: wow

20:59:03 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4659 @ 0.00087064 = 4.0563 BTC [+] {2}

20:59:08 mircea_popescu: whoa holy shit, the gfy forum comes in 10th for gfy ?!?!

20:59:08 KRS-One: I need a bait now.

20:59:10 mircea_popescu: jesus they dropped.

20:59:22 mircea_popescu: anyway mike_c gfy.com/‎

20:59:30 mircea_popescu: the retardstalk from before bitcoin.

20:59:34 mircea_popescu: the original.

21:01:38 mike_c: looks like they are on top of things

21:01:40 mike_c: http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1130089

21:01:41 ozbot: What is Bitcoin? - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

21:01:44 kakobrekla: lolz:

21:01:44 kakobrekla: http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=cc31bdeb630dadc97f3352967&id=817f2a2d10&e=4c15c58428

21:01:46 ozbot: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Crypto Street For Sale

21:01:55 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what's crypto street again ?

21:02:28 kakobrekla: an exchange, supposedly

21:02:59 Apocalyptic: https://www.crypto.st/

21:03:01 mircea_popescu: mike_c they're mostly adults, and the backbone has been sifted through ~20 years into some semblance of sanity.

21:03:12 mircea_popescu: which is why their forum has lived to 18mn posts of retarded nonsense.

21:03:28 kakobrekla: the intro post from april 2013

21:03:29 kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186082.0

21:03:31 ozbot: [ANN] Crypto.St - The one exchange to rule them all

21:03:47 mircea_popescu: so i guess the yet-another-one exchange "to rule them all" has managed.

21:08:12 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14626 @ 0.00087065 = 12.7341 BTC [+]

21:11:15 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210001 BTC [+]

21:15:09 kakobrekla: zomg

21:15:13 kakobrekla: from cognitive thread > I vote for Kakobrekla, He seems highly interested in this company and I bet he will tell us every thing that is wrong with it supper fast so we/he can fix it.

21:15:18 kakobrekla: wrong way dude.

21:16:12 Apocalyptic: heh, kako the ponzi fixer

21:17:03 mike_c: watch out kako, votes on the forum are binding. you're going to have a new job before you know it.

21:17:05 kakobrekla: imma gonna stop posting at this rate!

21:17:07 mircea_popescu: "here is some stupid shit we did back when you were telling us better and we were all smug and thought we knew better"

21:17:12 mircea_popescu: "we now vote for you to fix it"

21:17:29 mircea_popescu: these disgusting meatbags actually imagine the entire world is their dysfunctional fambly.

21:17:56 kakobrekla: buncha lolz

21:18:25 mircea_popescu: at least around these parts what you say to the unhousebroken kiddios is "they ain't the house of your stupid mother"

21:18:34 mircea_popescu: i gather it's not commonly said in the us.

21:23:12 diametric: mircea_popescu: i am now, whats up?

21:25:06 mircea_popescu: pmd.

21:29:33 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00086862 = 2.9967 BTC [-]

21:29:43 diametric: ;;ident diametric

21:29:43 gribble: Nick 'diametric', with hostmask 'diametric!~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d', is identified as user 'diametric', with GPG key id BDD47433133081CF, key fingerprint 0789CB4F508B384EB74CEFBFBDD47433133081CF, and bitcoin address None

21:30:30 deadweasel: no, I haven't heard that one, mp

21:31:12 deadweasel: clearly, the failure lies in kakobrekla not being re-banned in a timely m anner

21:32:36 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0008709 = 16.3294 BTC [+] {4}

21:33:37 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00016543 = 1.6543 BTC [-] {19}

21:35:22 jurov: heh

21:37:41 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC

21:42:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00086862 = 11.4224 BTC [-]

21:43:28 deadweasel: I was just reading what Morell injected into HItler everyday, what a ride that must have been:

21:43:38 deadweasel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell#Substances_given_to_Hitler

21:43:39 ozbot: Theodor Morell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

21:54:46 HeySteve: I believe Kennedy was on a lot too

21:54:51 pankkake: <minerpart> yeah I nkow, pankkake quoted this channel earlier. He is a dirty fucking French prick and he knows it. Just like his Nazi sympathising grandparents he is scum and will do anything for dirty cash.

21:54:58 pankkake: <minerpart> I've met a lot of French people and they are 100% decent and down to earth. But then you always get the odd little shit who would fuck his own mother for cash - that's pankkake.

21:55:02 pankkake: why so mean

21:55:45 deadweasel: ha, what'd you do, pankkake ?

21:56:07 pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.0 probably pushed their butthurt too far

21:56:09 ozbot: ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison

21:57:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00087112 = 3.4845 BTC [+]

21:57:25 BingoBoingo: pankkake: He's just pissed you took away his scam income

21:57:32 pankkake: of course they are

21:57:57 pankkake: well they still can't trade anyway

21:58:03 pankkake: <minerpart> His grandmother was probably raped by a Nazi storm trooper. That's makes him Bastard Nazi offspring. Pure scum.

21:58:20 pankkake: at least he knows some French history

21:59:09 mircea_popescu: lol omfg how dare people say thos things about pankkake

21:59:15 mircea_popescu: they should only say them about me!

21:59:40 pankkake: <minerpart> I've offered to meet him at any railway station in France as I'm southern England. He's a pussy, he wont meet me. A sad little prick with a big internet presence. You know what that means - he's never fucked a girl. Probably followed a few home though then gone home and jerked himself off.

22:00:11 pankkake: I thought it was another guy who offered. or he just out-socked himself

22:00:30 jurov: nice, can't he be hired? or is he already?

22:01:00 pankkake: I only know of my mother-side family history during the war

22:01:12 pankkake: I guess when you don't know, it's probably bad :p

22:02:35 mircea_popescu: jurov send him to meet people all over france ?

22:03:24 jurov: not bad. maybe we can arrange for him to meet someone davout hates

22:03:26 mircea_popescu: i like the logic involved tho. retarded romanians were going on about similar nonsense all through the late 00s

22:03:28 pankkake: just offered to meet for 0.2 BTC

22:03:55 pankkake: what nonsense?

22:04:03 mircea_popescu: "omfg what do you mean some people are actually impoirtant and thus therefore you need to jump through hoops to meet them, unlike me"

22:04:34 mircea_popescu: latest on retarded blog : "president of aol is a pussy, i sent him messages to meet me at any train station of his choosing he said he doesn't use trains"

22:04:42 BingoBoingo: pankkake: He pays you or you pay him?

22:04:48 pankkake: I never refused, just said I wasn't going to do it for free

22:04:51 pankkake: he pays me

22:04:55 mircea_popescu: as if somehow the entire world is this proving ground for impudent cocklets and everyone is their peer.

22:05:14 BingoBoingo: pankkake: I see no way that you time in person isn't worth at least 25 BTC to him.

22:05:15 jurov: pankkake: tell him you're actually canadian

22:05:23 deadweasel: well, that's the majority of the worlds opinion, as most don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

22:05:34 pankkake: tabernacle !

22:06:10 punkman: you guys ever read one of those 419 scambaiting safaris?

22:06:14 deadweasel: BingoBoingo has a point, you just priced yourself like a whore.

22:07:04 deadweasel: this is where your 'truthing' gets you, on a train stomping some poor teenager for .2 btc.

22:07:10 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00044999 = 0.135 BTC [+]

22:07:12 mircea_popescu: deadweasel apparently.

22:07:20 mircea_popescu: punkman wrote some :)

22:07:22 davout: jurov: that sounds like fun

22:07:35 punkman: http://www.419eater.com/html/RoadToChadDarfur/

22:07:36 ozbot: The Road to Chad/Darfur

22:07:55 mike_c: mpoe-pr fights the good fight for a healthy salary. i don't know why you bang your head against that wall.

22:08:11 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 768 @ 0.00083461 = 0.641 BTC [-]

22:08:46 davout: jurov: i'd need to find someone i hate though, i usually try to limit myself to ignoring

22:11:51 mircea_popescu: mike_c maybe he's honing his skillzors.

22:12:06 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=459281.0 << this shit is so lulzy.

22:12:08 ozbot: ActiveMining/Labcoin: a comparison

22:15:09 deadweasel: did you just add that to your sig, pankkake ? XD

22:15:56 mircea_popescu: no srsly, it is epic shit.

22:16:02 mircea_popescu: pankkake you should have a blog baby.

22:16:47 pankkake: I have a blog

22:16:56 pankkake: a dead blog

22:17:10 mircea_popescu: just saying, this stuff is the substance of blogging.

22:17:37 pankkake: yeah I have a few topics like that

22:17:57 pankkake: I have bitcointalk in muscle memory, need to fix that

22:18:21 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 293 @ 0.00505 = 1.4797 BTC [+]

22:19:02 pankkake: <minerpart__> Fuck off pankkake you prick. You really think I would waste my time fucking off to France to hang around a station only to see you don't show up? You fucking idiot

22:19:08 pankkake: :(

22:19:39 kakobrekla: i think thesevend is missing on the table

22:19:45 mike_c: where is this lovefest taking place?

22:19:46 kakobrekla: theseven aka [7]

22:19:53 deadweasel: is there a #burn-pankkake chan or what?

22:20:10 pankkake: #activemining

22:20:14 deadweasel: ah, thx!

22:20:20 pankkake: theseven wasn't a willing participant

22:20:29 kakobrekla: nigga what?!

22:20:34 pankkake: I mean, not PR-wise

22:20:36 mircea_popescu: more like a naive participant i guess

22:20:46 pankkake: he was contracted for stuff, and named

22:21:24 pankkake: :p

22:21:28 [7]: any labcoin news?

22:21:36 pankkake: not that I know

22:21:40 [7]: did they finally get hold of alberto or whoever was behind all of this?

22:22:17 mircea_popescu: [7] nah, pankkake just made a nice summary thread

22:22:32 pankkake: there's an italian lawsuit it seems

22:22:36 pankkake: so maybe!

22:23:05 kakobrekla: AA is in china or somesuch anyways

22:23:09 mircea_popescu: pankkake the part you don't know is that i could sue you in romanian court right now

22:23:15 mircea_popescu: it'd cost me nothing to do so

22:23:17 mircea_popescu: and nothing'd happen.

22:23:25 mircea_popescu: eu lawsuits are quite different from us

22:23:26 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1322 @ 0.00083461 = 1.1034 BTC [-]

22:23:49 pankkake: well the guy's probably in italy

22:23:54 kakobrekla: naw

22:24:52 mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5063595#msg5063595 << check out dr greg's withering retort!

22:24:54 ozbot: [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus

22:24:57 mircea_popescu: i need to hire out vincent vega.

22:25:19 pankkake: what's so bad about dr greg anyway?

22:25:25 punkman: *bald

22:25:39 punkman: he could IPO that forehead

22:25:49 kakobrekla: can we have s.laughing so we have a laughing stock?

22:25:57 pankkake: lol

22:26:06 davout: LOL

22:26:09 pankkake: ok, tomorrow I will not go on bitcointalk

22:26:13 pankkake: and I'll be productive

22:26:23 mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ahaha epic

22:26:32 pankkake: I can sleep again too, so time capitalize on it

22:26:36 benkay: ahahahahahahaha dr greg loses it all on btc.sx

22:26:50 pankkake: btcse.cx

22:26:54 mircea_popescu: pankkake what is bad about dr greg is that it's generally worse to have a half-educated idiot than ap ure idiot.

22:26:58 mircea_popescu: he's that half-educated idiot.

22:27:28 pankkake: as in more dangerous? ok. but then forum pr could be better…

22:27:35 mircea_popescu: i'd rather teach a monkey to invest than a bitcointalk-er.

22:28:11 punkman: wouldn't a monkey, sans training, do better than the average bitcointalk-er?

22:28:31 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02580898 = 0.5162 BTC [-] {4}

22:28:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07399 = 0.148 BTC [+]

22:29:05 benkay: pankkake: you gotta link greg to the bitcointalk post where MP and smickles expose the btc.sx scam

22:29:32 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.07498844 = 0.9748 BTC [+] {7}

22:29:33 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12210002 BTC [+]

22:29:34 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]

22:29:35 pankkake: that would have been better

22:29:43 mircea_popescu: punkman likely.

22:29:50 pankkake: I don't think dr greg listed the things he was going to use beforehand

22:30:06 mircea_popescu: pankkake it's okay, he just knows better than anyone anyway.

22:30:14 mircea_popescu: because see, reasons. and things.

22:30:17 benkay: no but now you can castigate him for ignoring the bitlord

22:30:31 pankkake: well I gave him BTC. not my most shameful investment though

22:30:44 mircea_popescu: was it for a foreheadectomy ?

22:30:50 pankkake: he promised low returns!

22:31:08 benkay: what were you thinking!

22:31:13 benkay: PIFF is the place for low returns!

22:31:27 pankkake: he left a nice comment about PIF too :)

22:31:33 benkay: you already own the low-returns market!

22:31:39 Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu would you really teach a willing student to invest?

22:31:42 benkay: oh he's nice

22:32:05 benkay: that's good. a sign of competence, being nice.

22:32:14 deadweasel: Jere_Jones: it's free, in the logs

22:35:07 pankkake: I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments

22:35:38 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04799999 = 0.24 BTC [+]

22:35:41 kakobrekla: regulation

22:35:42 pankkake: i.e. stock market full of printed money, or those nice savings account

22:36:22 pankkake: but investing in startups is often a loss; the general public doesn't do it however

22:36:26 kakobrekla: at least for a fraction of the problem

22:36:39 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04799999 = 0.288 BTC [+] {2}

22:37:10 mike_c: general public is going to do it now that sec restrictions have been lifted.

22:37:22 kakobrekla: hehe

22:37:41 kakobrekla: pankkake general public can use kickstarter :)

22:37:50 kakobrekla: same result, they get shit.

22:37:56 pankkake: indeed

22:38:04 pankkake: at least for the time being, as it's new

22:38:28 davout: pankkake: i offered this minerpart guy to escrow, lets see if some lulz can be harvested

22:38:35 pankkake: cool

22:38:51 Mats_cd03: weak

22:38:55 mike_c: half of assets jumped into activemining to watch this :)

22:39:15 kakobrekla: anyway pankkake there is more scam than you think in fiat world

22:39:21 kakobrekla: its just you are not in #fiat-assets

22:39:27 kakobrekla: and are totally missing out.

22:39:28 pankkake: lol, no I know there are

22:39:34 pankkake: and very similar ones than in btc

22:39:40 pankkake: actually, I was scammed by my banker

22:39:44 pankkake: first investment ever

22:39:57 pankkake: NATIXIS

22:40:10 pankkake: I was a poor student too

22:40:20 pankkake: lost 90% of its value

22:41:06 Asa9: w00t! I'm op in #fiat-assets!! THANKS MP!

22:41:21 Asa9: er kakobrekla

22:41:25 Asa9: ty!

22:41:48 kakobrekla: you are very welcome

22:42:12 kakobrekla: was it like in southpark "and its gone?"

22:42:19 pankkake: pretty much :/

22:42:27 Asa9: lol

22:42:35 pankkake: basically it was mass-sold by French banks, to noobs

22:42:45 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-] {2}

22:42:46 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087112 = 3.6587 BTC [+]

22:43:13 pankkake: they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs

22:43:53 kakobrekla: i sold all my remaining fiat stock when btc was 80$ i think. already at that time, that was only a tiny fraction of my net.

22:44:47 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [-]

22:44:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.12210001 = 0.2442 BTC [-]

22:44:51 kakobrekla: 23:43.15 ( pankkake ) they showed me the past performance of previous IPOs < lulz

22:44:54 pankkake: I only ever bought one company because that was the only one I understood

22:45:16 pankkake: made a profit, though fees ate most of it (again, poor student)

22:45:44 pankkake: should have done the same with the bitcoin…

22:45:48 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5763 @ 0.00087143 = 5.0221 BTC [+] {2}

22:45:52 kakobrekla: yea

22:49:20 Mats_cd03: .mpoe

22:51:26 davout: pankkake: so apparently this guy is ok to meet you at any train station to give you a beating for a fee

22:53:12 pankkake: beating up a guy in crowded areas, smart

22:53:18 davout: do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble?

22:53:31 pankkake: maybe in gare du nord :p

22:58:00 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00087155 = 11.5045 BTC [+] {2}

22:59:45 davout: pankkake: it's full of cops, they're usually the ones involved in beatings there :D

23:00:03 ThickAsThieves: [17:59] <ThickAsThieves> WTS 50k ActM shares

23:00:04 ThickAsThieves: [17:59] <JimJones> how much ThickAsThieves

23:00:04 ThickAsThieves: [17:59] <ThickAsThieves> I only take ATC

23:00:18 pankkake: but he's serious about the beating. I thought he wanted to meet

23:00:21 pankkake: lol

23:00:55 pankkake: haha "which one"

23:03:22 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Maybe you both leave your respective countries for this meeting. I might suggest the 5th and Washington Station in East St Louis.

23:04:08 pankkake: is there a reference I'm missing?

23:04:47 BingoBoingo: pankkake: No, I'm just thinking of the most interesting train stations I know.

23:05:08 pankkake: oh, I know none

23:07:20 BingoBoingo: pankkake: This could be one of the few white dude fights on World Star HipHop

23:07:57 pankkake: well I'm not fighting

23:08:18 pankkake: so far always avoided it

23:08:35 Mats_cd03: scrub

23:08:43 mike_c: i'm sure you could hire a stand-in for cheap

23:08:54 pankkake: hm kinda wrong, once a guy punched me and I wasn't expecting it

23:09:20 pankkake: what would be the point?

23:10:01 Mats_cd03: Beating him up and getting away with it

23:10:22 Mats_cd03: Also a good work out

23:11:02 davout: pankkake: the way i see it, for maximum lulz he should show up after a 5 hour trip, having had all the time to come to the conclusion that beating someone up in a public place, in a foreign country isn't such a good idea after all

23:11:21 pankkake: certainly not on the list of the guys I'd like to beat up

23:11:35 pankkake: the actual scam runners why not

23:11:47 BingoBoingo: Well, at the station I suggested it might be more problematic for him if you don't fight back. Nearly every white person outside of the train there is usually a plain clothes police officer. He finds himself in a foreign jail ??? Profit?

23:12:07 pankkake: human psychology's weird. you often don't end up doing what you thought you would do

23:12:30 Shakespeare: cuz we have too many brains

23:12:31 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones what do you figure i (we) are doing herei n the first place ?

23:13:03 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> I wonder what part of fiat investing is to blame for the bad risk estimation in btc investments << mothers are to blame.

23:13:14 pankkake: why?

23:13:24 BingoBoingo: Looks like there aren't too many Altcoins on https://openex.pw/index.php?page=trade&market=111 standing between ATC and the moon.

23:13:37 pankkake: such spread

23:13:46 KRS-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9cS7LaEAYY

23:13:47 ozbot: tears For Fears Original 1980's video in HQ Mothers Talk - YouTube

23:13:51 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> actually, I was scammed by my banker << you know the luis de funes movie re scammed by banker ?

23:14:11 pankkake: I don't think I know that one

23:14:16 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]

23:14:44 Shakespeare: <mircea_popescu> mothers are to blame. --- O! I said this to #ActM only minutes ago "Bastard begot, bastard instructed, bastard in mind ... in everything illegitimate."

23:14:50 mircea_popescu: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057051/

23:14:51 ozbot: Faites sauter la banque (1964) - IMDb

23:15:27 pankkake: haha, looks awesome

23:15:30 mircea_popescu: <davout> do people really imagine they can go to some foreign country and simply beat up some guy in a public place like a train station and not gete in trouble? <<< yes.

23:15:40 mircea_popescu: they also imagine they can just start "a security" and it'll all just fall into place

23:15:46 mircea_popescu: they just need to sort out the website for it

23:16:44 KRS-One: <+eoar> Bitcoin in 20 years will be like a cassette tape now. Clunky and outdated and surpassed by a much superior crypto <<<< interesting analogy

23:16:48 mircea_popescu: lol Shakespeare

23:17:17 davout: mircea_popescu: i understand that they imagine it, i sense there's an opportunity to arbitrage between reality and their imagination

23:17:24 mircea_popescu: indeed.

23:17:34 mircea_popescu: back when i was much younger i must confess

23:17:50 mircea_popescu: we used to do this thing whereby we'd dress up nice and clean, go to some disco in the sticks, a village somewhere

23:17:55 Shakespeare: Did you know I share the same birthday as Tony Danza and Shirley Temple?

23:17:57 mircea_popescu: mocked all the doods and felt up all the chiks

23:18:13 mircea_popescu: the net result being that the doods' all gather up to beat these atrociously obnoxious town bois

23:18:22 Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu While a useful tidbit is occasionally passed along, I mostly see a lot of self-righteous "I told you so" comments about any business (I'm using the term loosely) that is less than an absolute success.

23:18:24 mircea_popescu: except we had a trunk full of heavy equipment

23:18:30 mircea_popescu: beat the shit out of the entire village youth

23:18:35 mircea_popescu: counted for a weekend trip

23:18:38 pankkake: Shakespeare: they don't have the same birthday. SCAM

23:18:56 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones i guess that's one way to look at it.

23:19:04 assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611022/plain/)

23:19:04 benkay: !b 9

23:19:05 Jere_Jones: The possibility exists that I am simply too inexperienced to know wisdom when it slaps me in the face like a trout.

23:19:21 mircea_popescu: part of the problem here would be that none of those things you use the term loosely for are anywhere in range for meaningful commentary.

23:19:24 Shakespeare: someone lied to me!

23:20:12 pankkake: or wikipedia lies

23:20:50 Shakespeare: Pretend I said Roy Orbison

23:21:10 pankkake: I liked the mistery though

23:21:20 mircea_popescu: <pankkake> why? << mothers are to blame because in their quest to protect their offspring they manage to fuck up the offspring's risk evaluator.

23:21:21 Jere_Jones: I see a lot of "That's dumb", "They are unqualified", "They shouldn't do that". With the exception of your "So you're thinking of starting a bitcoin business" post on bitcoin-talk (which I have read multiple times), there is almost no "Thou shalt do".

23:21:58 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones it's mpoe-prs, and the problem with "Thou shalt do" is that a) there's a lot less of that available than you'd want, and b) people are well impervious to listening anyway.

23:22:20 Shakespeare: this site has nice CSS http://www.famousbirthdays.com/

23:22:24 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]

23:22:25 mircea_popescu: for instance, the link to http://fraudsters.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ has been pasted by me here 3 times, and by others more times.

23:22:36 Jere_Jones: *I* am not impervious to listening. At least, I try not to be.

23:22:43 mircea_popescu: in it, you will find : "Much like ?nobody knows how to make movies? was generally true in Hollywood, ?nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses? is generally true in Bitcoin. Nevertheless, this does not logically follow into ?so then everyone has the same chances, noobs and veterans alike?. Such a proposition could not be further from the truth, because the veterans have the sizable advantage that they kn

23:22:43 mircea_popescu: ow all the ways movies can?t be made. That?s what they?ve been doing with their years and the investors? money up to that point : not coming one iota closer to knowing how movies can be made, but establishing vast inroads into the obviously endless topic of how they can?t in fact be made. Noobs bereft of this very valuable (in that it?s very expensive) knowledge ain?t got a prayer."

23:22:51 mircea_popescu: now, had you read that before or is it your first time ?

23:23:40 Jere_Jones: It has enough familiarness to it that I think I've read it before, but not enough that it sank in to any depth.

23:24:05 mircea_popescu: ok but see ? that's the problem.

23:24:11 mircea_popescu: this is given culture, it's a shared foundation.

23:24:55 mircea_popescu: when i say to moiety "you're wasting your time doing something we know is stupid. waste your time doing something we don't know is stupid yet." this is what i'm referencing.

23:25:15 Shakespeare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDYtH1RH-U

23:25:17 mircea_popescu: in short : the "positive" tidbits are extremely easy to miss, because they depend on other positive tidbits

23:25:19 ozbot: Shanghai Tower (650 meters) - YouTube

23:26:28 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087171 = 3.8704 BTC [+]

23:26:29 Jere_Jones: I think I might be starting to understand a little of what you're saying. I shall return to my lurking, listening and learning.

23:26:42 mircea_popescu: asking questions hurts nothing.

23:26:46 Shakespeare: these guys are nits

23:26:48 Shakespeare: nuts

23:27:29 assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7320 @ 0.00087172 = 6.381 BTC [+] {2}

23:28:04 Jere_Jones: Question: Exactly which WOT is the "So you want to start a business" post talking about? I know of the #bitcoin-otc wot and the mywot.com site.

23:28:51 mircea_popescu: the former.

23:28:52 davout: Jere_Jones: bitcoin-otc

23:29:02 benkay: the former

23:29:06 benkay: http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php

23:29:24 Jere_Jones: Got it.

23:29:33 mircea_popescu: Shakespeare no, you had it right the 1st time. nits.

23:29:36 mircea_popescu: half a nitwit.

23:30:53 jurov: <mircea_popescu> beat the shit out of the entire village youth << oh my what am i doing around such people again?

23:30:55 Jere_Jones: Damn. Too bad I lost my key.

23:31:20 benkay: 'tain't too late to spin up a new one.

23:31:23 mircea_popescu: jurov what, i'm a lovable huggable simpleminded psychopath.

23:31:29 Jere_Jones: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=Jere_Jones

23:31:41 mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones well so there you go : DON'T LOSE YOUR KEY OMFG BBQ

23:31:49 Jere_Jones: ^ From my first bitcoin purchase

23:32:01 ozbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data

23:32:32 mircea_popescu: jurov i don't suppose you're liable to go around deciding to beat people because "they're on your turf" and obviously they seem like townfolk so perhaps they're not quite as hard as all that.

23:32:49 mircea_popescu: just so happens that stuff seeming soft can in fact be as hard as coffin nails, somewhere in there.

23:32:52 mircea_popescu: like say bitcoin.

23:34:02 jurov: hm can't comprehend that "i don't suppose" ?

23:34:36 jurov: should get my nightly glass of wine

23:35:34 mircea_popescu: ya re-0read the whole thing lol

23:37:34 deadweasel: holy shit TAT push atc in minerpart__ chan

23:37:36 jurov: still eludes me what turf and what with hardness of townfolk

23:37:37 deadweasel: pushing*

23:37:40 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]

23:38:48 mircea_popescu: you ever been to a rural disco ?

23:39:15 jurov: ah now it clicked

23:39:35 mircea_popescu: :)

23:39:44 jurov: one has just imagine being in their skin

23:40:45 davout: tricking people in thinking you'll be easy prey to beat them up afterwards is still evil mircea_popescu

23:40:57 davout: but evil can be fun heh

23:41:11 jurov: why evil? they deserve it

23:42:07 mircea_popescu: davout no argument.

23:42:13 BingoBoingo: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/02/12/2157234/utopia-silk-roads-latest-replacement-only-lasted-nine-days

23:42:14 ozbot: Utopia, Silk Road's Latest Replacement, Only Lasted Nine Days - Slashdot

23:42:23 mircea_popescu: im an evil motherfucker.

23:42:35 davout: if the original point is to go there with the goal to end up kcking their ass by tricking them into thinking you're evil so they will be the ones picking the fight is manipulation

23:42:44 jurov: BingoBoingo: it wasn't sufficiently decentralized

23:42:59 davout: but like i said that can be fun

23:43:07 benkay: grownup trolling.

23:43:11 davout: s/evil/weak/

23:43:14 BingoBoingo: jurov: Of course. What boggles me is they had a full 900 BTC allegedly.

23:43:16 davout: benkay: exactly

23:43:31 davout: benkay: i'd say IRL trolling actually

23:44:02 BingoBoingo: Related to the Utopia bust http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-biggest-bullshit-job-titles-in-tech-1521536472/@sarah-hedgecock

23:44:04 benkay: something like that

23:44:17 BingoBoingo: Moare hedge c0k

23:44:34 benkay: man the worst part of working at a cafe with a great view on a busy corner is all the tail walking by i'm separated from talking to by a pane of glass

23:46:42 mircea_popescu: benkay you should just go to an orgy already.

23:46:48 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4300 @ 0.00015044 = 0.6469 BTC [-] {8}

23:46:50 mircea_popescu: eventually you notice you can only fuck so much and stop caring

23:47:05 assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1611105/plain/)

23:47:05 BingoBoingo: !b 1

23:50:04 benkay: yeah also nowhere near well enough capitalized to dress 'em all nicely either

23:51:33 benkay: but also it's the chase mircea_popescu the chase and the conquest

23:51:37 benkay: surely you know the routine

23:51:46 benkay: chase? hunt.

23:52:42 asciilifeform: the solution to the 'idiot X pays Q btc for fistfight' is: pay idiot Y, R btc, to present himself for fistfight to idiot X, where R < Q.

23:53:06 asciilifeform: pocket the difference, and watch.

23:53:15 BingoBoingo: ^^

23:53:50 jurov: that's basically what i suggested to davout

23:53:51 asciilifeform: this is not deep science.

23:54:00 jurov: but seems he's too cultured to arrange that

23:54:05 BingoBoingo: There's plenty of failed athletes desperate enough for the cash to allow pocketing quite the spread

23:54:53 asciilifeform: fistcoin.

23:55:38 davout: asciilifeform: that sounds like a very good way to harvest both lulz and profits

23:55:51 davout: jurov: did you, sorry i must've missed it

23:55:57 assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07318 = 0.3659 BTC [-] {3}

23:57:33 pankkake: I have glasses, huge disadvantage in a fistfight

23:57:36 pankkake: I wouln't bet on me

23:58:08 mircea_popescu: benkay i dunno dood, i never chase.

23:58:46 BingoBoingo: pankkake: Hire an alternate to identify as pankkake. Look for College footballers and handeggers who missed the cutoff to go pro.

23:59:39 jurov: they don't american football in fr

23:59:51 davout: we rugby baby

23:59:52 pankkake: we call them rugbymen